good morning, welcome to breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. our headlines today. a damehood for deborahjames — the podcaster and cancer campaigner is honoured by the queen. ministers are asked to cut up to 90,000 civil service jobs, with the savings earmarked for tax cuts. calls for more money and more staff, as the number of people waiting for adult social care services in england continues to rise. it's getting tense in turin, as the clock ticks down to eurovision 2022. and the uk's entry, sam ryder, is right up there amongst the favourites.

myself and the whole team — and these guys, too — we're stoked for the eurovision, and we're going to give it everything. peace, love you, bye! a pudding fit for a queen — we meet the winner of the competition to find the official pudding for the queen's platinum jubilee. good morning from beneath central london, where a new railway is set to open in a week and a half. the elizabeth line, the result of the crossrail project. i have been looking behind the scenes as final preparations are done. the race for the top four is blown wide open as tottenham hotspur emphatically beat, their bitter rivals arsenal, in the chase for champions league football next season. good morning. lots of dry weather on the cards today, but some rain in northern and western scotland. the best of the sunshine will be towards the south. it will feel windy wherever you are. details later in the programme. good morning. it's friday, the 13th of may.

the campaigner deborahjames, says she's "hugely honoured" to be awarded a damehood, just days after revealing she's receiving end—of—life care for bowel cancer. the 40—year—old, who hosts the bbc�*s you, me and the big c podcast, has raised more than 5.8 million for charity since monday. the prime minister has praised her honesty, warmth and courage, saying the honour was richly deserved. jon donnison reports. # there were nights of endless pleasure...#. deborahjames — diarist, occasional diva, and now dame. forfive years, with remarkable energy and good humour, she's documented her life with cancer. now in herfinal days, she's been honoured by the queen. she confirmed the news announced by downing street in a tweet last night, telling the bbc she was shocked and humbled. it comes just a few days

after the ao—year—old mother of two announced she was ending her treatment and was now receiving end—of—life hospice care. i have a really loving family who i adore and couldn't... i honestly, like, they're just incredible. and all i knew i wanted was to come here and be able to relax, knowing that everything was ok. music: rise up by andra day deborahjames�* inspiring videos, often set to music and posted on social media, have reached millions. the former deputy head teacher was just 35 when she was diagnosed with stage four bowel cancer in 2016. but she's been determined to share

her story to try and help others. on her podcast, you, me and the big c, which she was still presenting until a few months ago, she could be funny but didn't hide her emotions. i'm back on treatment, and every single time i'm back on treatment i'm like, "i don't want to be here". in just the past four days deborah james�* bowel babe cancer research fund has raised almost £4 million. in a statement on her damehood, the prime minister said... dame deborahjames, has achieved so much in such a short time, says she'll now spend her remaining days at her parents�* home in surrey surrounded by her family.

jon donnison, bbc news. borisjohnson has told ministers to come up with a plan to cut around 90,000 civil servicejobs — that's around one in five of their current number. downing street says the move will free up cash to tackle the cost of living crisis. but unions say the plan is ill thought—out. 0ur political correspondent nick eardleyjoins us from westminster. morning. we have heard we are going to be interviewing jacob rees—mogg later in the programme. he is someone who has made very clear that he wants to see more people behind desks, not at home, but also, this plan to cutjobs, what is the benefit expected from it? plan to cut jobs, what is the benefit expected from it? morning, na . a. the benefit expected from it? morning, naga- the idea _ benefit expected from it? morning, naga. the idea is _ benefit expected from it? morning, naga. the idea is to _ benefit expected from it? morning, naga. the idea is to reduce - benefit expected from it? morning, naga. the idea is to reduce the - naga. the idea is to reduce the civil service back to the sorts of levels _ civil service back to the sorts of levels it — civil service back to the sorts of levels it was in 2016, before brexit. _ levels it was in 2016, before brexit, before the pandemic, before some_ brexit, before the pandemic, before some of— brexit, before the pandemic, before some of those big emergency thinks of the _ some of those big emergency thinks of the government had to do. and the

prime _ of the government had to do. and the prime minister, in the daily mail this morning, is linking it directly to the _ this morning, is linking it directly to the cost— this morning, is linking it directly to the cost of living, saying, if you want _ to the cost of living, saying, if you want to bring down the cost of living, _ you want to bring down the cost of living, you — you want to bring down the cost of living, you need to reduce the size of government. by some estimates, if you were _ of government. by some estimates, if you were to— of government. by some estimates, if you were to take down the size of the civil_ you were to take down the size of the civil service by, say, 90,000, it woutd— the civil service by, say, 90,000, it would reduce the government's bill by— it would reduce the government's bill by about {3.5 billion a year, which _ bill by about {3.5 billion a year, which could then be passed on in savings _ which could then be passed on in savings elsewhere, potentially tax cuts and _ savings elsewhere, potentially tax cuts and things like that. the details — cuts and things like that. the details are going to really matter here _ details are going to really matter here. unions want to know exactly how this _ here. unions want to know exactly how this is — here. unions want to know exactly how this is going to work, how quickly— how this is going to work, how quickly it— how this is going to work, how quickly it is supposed to happen, whether— quickly it is supposed to happen, whether it — quickly it is supposed to happen, whether it might mean compulsory redundancies for some people in the civil service — redundancies for some people in the civil service. i am told jacob rees—mogg doesn't want to compulsory redundancies. they think by having a recruitment— redundancies. they think by having a recruitment freeze that will naturally do this over the next few years _ naturally do this over the next few years the — naturally do this over the next few years. the question of timescale is quite _ years. the question of timescale is quite important. how quickly the ministers — quite important. how quickly the ministers want this to happen. and it isjust _ ministers want this to happen. and it isjust worth bearing in mind

that— it isjust worth bearing in mind that ambitious ministers, government ministers _ that ambitious ministers, government ministers who are desperate to do bil ministers who are desperate to do big things — ministers who are desperate to do big things before general elections, may he _ big things before general elections, may be reluctant to shed staff, given _ may be reluctant to shed staff, given that if they shed staff, it is harder— given that if they shed staff, it is harder to — given that if they shed staff, it is harder to get things done. nick— harder to get things done. nick airlie. thank you. the northern ireland assembly will meet today for the first time since last week's election. the vote saw the nationalist sinn fein become the largest party at stormont for the first time. the democratic unionist party is expected to block the formation of an executive in protest over post—brexit trading arrangements. the number of elderly and disabled people in england waiting for care services is rising rapidly, according to officials who run local authority social care. figures from the association of directors of adult social services suggest more than half a million vulnerable people are facing delayed assessments, reviews or issues with day to day care. here's our social affairs editor alison holt. hello! are you all right? this is one of the four care visits a day that ralph and pat rely on.

you had a nice morning, ralph? he has parkinson's, and they wouldn't cope in their own home near redcar without this support. you rely on your carers to look after him properly, don't you? you know? so ~~ - i mean, it's something i couldn't do. i can't handle him at all. time to look after myself now. just the two tablets this afternoon, ralph, all right? but today's research by council bosses says an increasing number of people who are older or disabled are having to wait for care services like this. one reason is a shortage of care staff. right, we'll pop your chair up a bit. both sadie and karen love what they do, but understand why, with the cost of living rising, some don't want to do a job that, in their case, pays less than £10 an hour. that's it. a little bit more, ralph. mostly, it's to do with pay. people with families are trying to get on the housing ladder. with the cost of living, they just can't afford

to be in a job like this, because it doesn't pay enough for them to be able to live as well. i think care workers should be paid more for doing, because we don'tjust go in and make cups of teas of what people think we do. we actually go in and we turn people's lives around. according to the directors who run council care services in england, last september, an estimated 294,000 people were waiting for assessment, reviews or care from local authorities. by the end of february this year, that number had risen to more than 500,000. care leaders say councils need extra money urgently to meet growing demand, and pay those providing care more. we need urgent action to address unmet need. we need more money into social care sooner. we can't afford for social care to be an afterthought. and... ..because thatjust creates this vicious cycle, where people deteriorate and need more help, more health and care. and its family carers like tanya who feel the strain when it's hard to get help.

lee is 37. he's quadriplegic and he has multiple and complex disabilities. lee requires 24 hour care, really. and so that's provided — the majority of it's provided by me and his dad, brian — and then we have paid carers. one of their care workers left injanuary, because she needed to earn more money. tania manages lee's care, which is nhs funded, and she's had just four applications for thejob. none were suitable. are you going to talk to me, lee? are you? — it makes it really difficult, because i have my own health needs, which makes physically caring for lee difficult because it causes me a lot of pain. my husband is self—employed, because he needs to be accessible and available if i need to call him to come and help with lee. one step.

but, he's our son, so, you know, we'll do what lee needs. tania has little confidence they will find the help they need any time soon. the government says reforming the care system is a priority, and that it's investing billions of pounds in improving the way it works for families and staff. alison holt, bbc news. ukraine's president, volodymyr zelensky, claims that russia lacks the courage to admit it has already suffered an "obvious" strategic defeat. this as the uk's foreign secretary, liz truss, called on international allies to go "further and faster" in supporting ukraine and restraining the russian leader, vladimir putin. 0ur correspondent joe inwood joins us from the western ukrainian city of lviv. good morning. the big picture stuff is those comments from volodymyr zelensky. i know this morning you are getting more information about what a specific place and a battle that has been going on?-

that has been going on? yeah, absolutely _ that has been going on? yeah, absolutely. there _ that has been going on? yeah, absolutely. there is _ that has been going on? yeah, absolutely. there is a - that has been going on? yeah, absolutely. there is a crucial . that has been going on? yeah, i absolutely. there is a crucial city in the _ absolutely. there is a crucial city in the donbas in the east and it sits on— in the donbas in the east and it sits on a — in the donbas in the east and it sits on a river. we have seen images over the _ sits on a river. we have seen images over the test — sits on a river. we have seen images over the last 24 hours of what appears — over the last 24 hours of what appears to be massive destruction there _ appears to be massive destruction there we — appears to be massive destruction there. we are getting a confirmed now, _ there. we are getting a confirmed now. the — there. we are getting a confirmed now, the ministry of defence have put a _ now, the ministry of defence have put a tweet out saying it appears the russians lost almost an entire battalion — the russians lost almost an entire battalion tactical group. we don't know— battalion tactical group. we don't know about the number of men, but it would _ know about the number of men, but it would he _ know about the number of men, but it would be about 1500 men and about 60 armoured _ would be about 1500 men and about 60 armoured vehicles trying to make this crossing. the pictures really are apocalyptic —— apocalyptic. you can see _ are apocalyptic —— apocalyptic. you can see the — are apocalyptic —— apocalyptic. you can see the east side of the river 'ust can see the east side of the river just littered with the carcasses of vehicles — just littered with the carcasses of vehicles. itjust shows just littered with the carcasses of vehicles. it just shows the just littered with the carcasses of vehicles. itjust shows the kind of desperation they have in trying to .et desperation they have in trying to get across— desperation they have in trying to get across this river. what they are trying _ get across this river. what they are trying to _ get across this river. what they are trying to do— get across this river. what they are trying to do is encircle the city ofm _ trying to do is encircle the city ofm it— trying to do is encircle the city ofm it sits _ trying to do is encircle the city of... it sits on the east bank of the river — of... it sits on the east bank of the river. they have taken all the towns _ the river. they have taken all the towns around it. it seems what they were trying —

towns around it. it seems what they were trying to do is come around the hack _ were trying to do is come around the back its _ were trying to do is come around the back its an— were trying to do is come around the back. it's an incredibly risky procedure and it has backfired pretty— procedure and it has backfired pretty spectacularly, it seems. thank— pretty spectacularly, it seems. thank you. since the start of the war, hundreds of children fleeing ukraine have been enrolled in schools across the uk. school leaders have welcomed the arrival of the new pupils, but say extra counselling and language tuition is needed to help support them in england. 0ur education correspondent elaine dunkley has more. my name is margarita. hello. iam ukrai... — from ukraine. from ukraine. margarita arrived in manchester a month ago with her family. she couldn't speak any english. she's keen to learn. ice. lip. like many children, she had to leave behind so much that she loved. ah, beautiful face. it was painful because rita was star in school. she made the sport competitions.

she played chess, she danced, she knitting. every time she was very busy with everything. she wanted to say hello to their friends from lviv. margarita has just been offered a place at a local primary school, and it can't come soon enough. war has taken its toll on young lives. she remembers everything. we have problems with sleeping. every night, two, three times, she goes to check us, we are here or no. butterfly. those things which ukrainian children saw... ..i don't believe, um, that it will be without any traumas. this is what childhood should be.

nine—year—old alisa is from a city in the south of ukraine, which is close to intense fighting. she's just started at st martin's church of england primary in norfolk. alisa speaks very little english, but her new friend poppy is determined to make her feel as welcome as possible. do you understand each other? sometimes. ijust point at her and do a thumbs up. i've written a poem for alyssa. it was about the war. and in the end i said, "we are yourfriends and you are safe here." it's been lovely having alisa here. it's been really good for the class to kind of rally together. we're starting to see smiles and laughter and communicating and joking with her friends. of course, at first we weren't seeing that. we are now, and that is telling us that she is feeling welcome and enjoying her time in school. label it with your ruler and write the word...

the department for education says it's working closely with local authorities to understand the costs of supporting children from ukraine. many councils are offering additional help with english. and children who arrive here on the homes for ukraine scheme will receive a grant for a school uniform. but one of the biggest challenges is emotional support. it's only one way for us to feel better, to see that alisa brings some sunshine. the war has torn families apart. alisa and her mum are staying with her aunt. but alisa's father has to stay in ukraine to fight. everyone's been so good, but we still don't know how long it will last and what to expect. we don't think about future. we just holding our breath, and taking day by day. for now, margarita attends saturday school at the ukrainian centre in manchester. the war has taken so much,

but margarita still has her dreams. she said, "mama, i need to be very good in school, because i want to be doctor." and i said, "it's not so difficult, if it's your dream." that was our education correspondent, elaine dunkley, reporting. 17 minutes past six on a friday morning. sarah has got the weather. how are you? i am very well. good morning. quite a lot of dry and settled weather on the cards today. a fair amount of sunshine, particularly in the south. it will feel quite windy wherever you are. we have got some rain this morning, mainly in the north and west of scotland. that should tend to ease away, pushing towards 0rkney and shetland. a few patches of rain left

towards the west of scotland this afternoon. sunny spells for scotland and northern ireland. england and wales, dry and sunny all day. temperatures up to 23 degrees in the warmest spots, typically the mid to high teens further north. not wall—to—wall sunshine. a bit of cloud. moving through this evening and overnight, the breeze we have got today will tend to ease away. becoming largely dry. clear spells. mist and fog forming overnight. temperatures first thing tomorrow between six to 10 degrees. we are going to start off the weekend on a dry and find out. i pressure not far away. as we head through the weekend, you will notice some of these heavy showers moving their way from the south towards the north. a thundery breakdown in the weather, vertically by saturday night. most of us again dry and fine on saturday morning. plenty of sunshine. a brighter day for scotland and northern ireland. temperatures tomorrow between 14 to 20 degrees —— 23 degrees. watch out for some

heavy, thundery showers moving from the south, particularly during saturday night into sunday for puttering and and wales. most of us looking fine if windy. thank you. let's take a look at today's papers. several of the front pages focus on the tensions over the post—brexit trade deal for northern ireland. according to the daily express, foreign secretary liz truss has warned the eu she's willing to "rip up the trade deal." the times leads with a warning from former foreign secretaryjeremy hunt, who says the tories could lose the next election over voters' deep concerns about the cost of living. and the guardian carries a story which says huge carbon projects won't fix the energy crisis. the paper quotes fatih birol, a leading energy economist, who said large oil and gas developments would have little impact on the current energy crisis and soaring fuel prices — but would spell devastation to the planet.

anything on the insights? the only thing i was going to draw your attention to, you are at home, i was like to celebrate a birthday, especially someone who has given enormous amounts ofjoy over the years to many people, and that is stevie wonder. and it is his birthday today. stevie wonder�*s birthday. he is 72 years old. and not least, of course, he brought us the song, happy birthday. i wonder how many times people will do that thing, play the stevie wonder song on his birthday. 72 years old. robert pattinson, the batman star, 36 years old today. happy birthday, stevie wonder, that's what i say. i love a science story. i saw this happening yesterday. this is the first image of the black hole which is out of the centre of the milky

way. what it is being described as is the glue that holds the galaxy together. so, this black hole's gamethey —— gravity is so strong, light can't escape from it. it is the dawn of a new era black hole physics, according to scientists. how have they managed to take a picture of that? i how have they managed to take a picture of that?— picture of that? i don't know. i don't know — picture of that? i don't know. i don't know. you _ picture of that? i don't know. i don't know. you always - picture of that? i don't know. i don't know. you always ask i picture of that? i don't know. i - don't know. you always ask questions like this. i don't know. researchers revealed... it is called sagittarius a. researchers say it is much... i don't know. it is too complicated. it is really complicated. i don't know, is the answer. i it is really complicated. i don't know, is the answer.— it is really complicated. i don't know, is the answer. i thought the whole thing _ know, is the answer. i thought the whole thing about _ know, is the answer. i thought the whole thing about a _ know, is the answer. i thought the whole thing about a black - know, is the answer. i thought the whole thing about a black hole - know, is the answer. i thought the whole thing about a black hole is l whole thing about a black hole is you can't have an image of it. ida. you can't have an image of it. no, it is that of _ you can't have an image of it. no, it is that of the _ you can't have an image of it. no, it is that of the centre _ you can't have an image of it. no, it is that of the centre of the milky way. it is a picture of the milky way. it is a picture of the milky way. it is a picture of the milky way with a black hole in the middle. you can't take a picture of just the black hole because light

doesn't escape the black hole my hence there being no light. you can't take a picture of no light. [30 can't take a picture of no light. do ou can't take a picture of no light. drr you know what film is out next week? top gun! tap you know what film is out next week? to run! ., , you know what film is out next week? to un! ., top gun! top gun maverick. there he is u- in top gun! top gun maverick. there he is up in his — top gun! top gun maverick. there he is up in his aircraft. _ top gun! top gun maverick. there he is up in his aircraft. it _ top gun! top gun maverick. there he is up in his aircraft. it is _ top gun! top gun maverick. there he is up in his aircraft. it is one - top gun! top gun maverick. there he is up in his aircraft. it is one of- is up in his aircraft. it is one of those films, for a lot of people come a lot of memories attached to that film. and the reviews, a lot of reviews you will see in the papers today, if you do like reading them. some people with a film like this will avoid them. theyjust want some people with a film like this will avoid them. they just want to enjoy the moment. it might be one of those. i enjoy the moment. it might be one of those. ., ., ., ., those. i love the original. i am i aet those. i love the original. i am i et -- those. i love the original. i am i get -- may _ those. i love the original. i am i get -- may get _ those. i love the original. i am i get -- may get excited - those. i love the original. i am i get -- may get excited about i those. i love the original. i am i i get -- may get excited about this get —— may get excited about this film. i have seen the reviews. they have inspired anything. you have seen the trailer, so you know there are some old faces. the haven't sent really anything. it has got to be fabulous. i really anything. it has got to be fabulous. ., ., ., fabulous. i tend not to read reviews. — fabulous. i tend not to read reviews, actually. - fabulous. i tend not to read reviews, actually. almost l fabulous. i tend not to readl reviews, actually. almost all fabulous. i tend not to read - reviews, actually. almost all the ones i have seen this morning have

all got five stars. the ones i have seen this morning have all got five stars.— all got five stars. the worst i've seen is four. _ all got five stars. the worst i've seen is four. more _ all got five stars. the worst i've seen is four. more on _ all got five stars. the worst i've seen is four. more on that - all got five stars. the worst i've seen is four. more on that next| seen is four. more on that next week. seen is four. more on that next week- 22 _ seen is four. more on that next week. 22 minutes _ seen is four. more on that next week. 22 minutes past - seen is four. more on that next week. 22 minutes past six. - a lemon trifle described as "sunshine in a bowl" has won a nationwide competition to find a pudding to mark the queen's platinum jubilee. it sounds nice. exactly what you would want. more than 5,000 amateur cooks took part — and jemma melvin from southport won it with her lemon swiss roll and amaretti trifle. 0ur royal correspondent daniela relph has been to meet the champion baker. gemma's lemon swiss roll and amaretti trifle. it was a unanimous decision from the judges. and a popular choice among herfellow finalists. i hope people just stick a spoon in it, and eat it how they want to eat it.

jemma's trifle is a twist on the traditional trifle, based on recipes passed down from her gran and her nan, and inspired by lemon posit, served at the queen's wedding. i cannot believe it. everything that i was up against was just the most beautiful desserts and puddings, with beautiful stories. so, that this quite humble trifle has won, is a bit surreal. this will hopefully go down in history as something i'm going to have to try and process for a few weeks, i think. almost 5,000 entries were cut down to just five. the all—female shortlist had to make their pudding for the queen of baking. very happy. fit for a queen, mary. quite right. the competition was tough, but the friendship between the finalists was strong. i have absolutely loved every second. i've tried to absorb it all, because it is just so far removed from my everyday life. it's just incredible. and to have shared the experience

with the girls is just amazing. the pudding will now be sold at fortnum mason. all proceeds will go to charity. the flavours were incredible. from a point of view as a chef, she made every element, but you could also buy most of the elements. so, that became accessible to everybody. and, you know, it's a trifle, but it's a beautiful, beautiful trifle. and it'sjust — it's sunshine in a bowl. a trifle to mark a moment in history. alongside victoria sponge and coronation chicken, we now have a queen elizabeth ii platinum pudding. daniela relph, bbc news, central london. so you thought that was just standing alone? for so you thought that was 'ust standing alone?i so you thought that was 'ust standing alone? so you thought that was 'ust standin: alone? ., ., ., standing alone? for a moment, when i first limited. — standing alone? for a moment, when i first limited. i— standing alone? for a moment, when i first limited, i thought _ standing alone? for a moment, when i first limited, i thought it _ standing alone? for a moment, when i first limited, i thought it was _ first limited, i thought it was freestanding and it didn't have glass around it. i was a bit baffled as to how it was holding itself together. now i know. it has been explained to me. we are going to

talk tojemma later. fantastic achievement. she will be joining talk tojemma later. fantastic achievement. she will bejoining us in little over an hour. we will find out more about the genius of that pudding. out more about the genius of that -~uddin. ~ , ~. out more about the genius of that -auddin.~ ., ., pudding. when did you last have a freestanding _ pudding. when did you last have a freestanding trifle? _ pudding. when did you last have a freestanding trifle? i _ pudding. when did you last have a freestanding trifle? i will - pudding. when did you last have a freestanding trifle? i will leave - freestanding trifle? i will leave that to the _ freestanding trifle? i will leave that to the audience _ freestanding trifle? i will leave that to the audience to - freestanding trifle? i will leave | that to the audience to answer. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london — i'm paul murphy—kasp. earlier this week we brought you the story of scam artists who ran bogus meet—and—greet car services around airports. well, one such rogue trader working around gatwick has been handed a suspended sentence and ordered to pay compensation following an investigation by trading standards. muhammed muneeb amjad was the director of park direct gatwick limited — which misled holidaymakers to believe their cars were parked securely. instead, inspectors found

between 200 and 300 cars parked closely together in a field, many of them unlocked. when we do get instances of this, we take it very seriously. the detriment is significant. consumers are being significantly misled. and we'll take action through the courts, if necessary. average rents in london have risen by 14% a year — averaging around £2,000 a month. there are also more than triple the number of tenants inquiring as there are rental properties available, according to rightmove. the royal institution of chartered surveyors said that over half of estate agents expect rents to rise in the next three months, the highest proportion since its records started in 1999. plans for a major upgrade ofjunction 10 of the m25 have been approved by the transport secretary. it involves widening the motorway and the adjoining a3 around the junction. the area currently has one of the highest recorded collision rates across england's main roads. well, if you're heading out on public transport this morning

this is how tfl services are looking right now... taking a look at the tube, all looking good this apart from that ongoing closure of the bank branch of the northern line, which is scheuled to reopen monday morning. and for all the latest travel news where you are, tune into your bbc local radio station for regular updates throughout the morning. 0nto the weather now with elizabeth. hello, good morning. with high—pressure dominating, there's lots of dry weather to talk about across the capital over the next couple of days or so. plenty of sunshine too, and it will start to feel warmer but it may not be a completely dry weekend. we are expecting some heavy, possibly thundery, downpours to move northwards on saturday night into sunday. for today, though, it is looking dry. it's locally been quite a chilly start to the morning, but of course sunrise was at 5.15 earlier on, so it's been up for a while now. lots of sunshine around throughout the morning.

some fair weather cloud developing as we head through the afternoon. and we stop at a fairly brisk and noticeable westerly wind blowing. temperatures will be higher than they were yesterday, peaking at around 22 maybe as high as 22 celsius. through this evening and overnight, again it's looking dry. lots of long clear spells around and temperatures dropping back into high single figures for most into saturday morning. a lot more sunshine around on saturday, and again it's looking dry during the daylight hours. temperatures could be slightly higher too, but as we head through saturday night watch out for those showers moving northwards. they'll still be around possibly throughout the day on sunday, which is looking a bit cooler with more of an easterly wind. i'm back with the latest from the bbc london newsroom in half an hour. in the meantime, there's plenty more on our website at the usual address. now, though, it's back to charlie and naga. bye for now. hello, this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. coming up on breakfast this morning:

arise dame debs — bowelbabe deborahjames is honoured by the queen. we'll be joined by her friend and podcast co—host, steve bland. the stage is set for the world's most—watched — and most flamboyant — singing competition. eurovision co—host mika will bring us the low down ahead of tomorrow night's grand final. and that's not the only final to get excited about. for the first time, both the men's and women's fa cup finals will be played on the same weekend at wembley. we'll look ahead to both matches with alan shearer and fara williams. it is your department, mike. yes, and if anybody knows arsenal are spurs

friends, they willjust be a bag of nerves! yes, spurs, they are a bag of nerves the whole time, but when they are doing well... they beat arsenal! yes, it looks like it will be going to the wire, the top four, so wide open, and going into the champions league can define the next three or four years for your club. and for it to be arsenal or tottenham... yes, synchronised smiling here, almost yelping with delight, and no wonder. when you think of the rivalry. yes, brilliant to watch. as you can see... tottenham fans will have a spring in their step this morning after seeing their side secure local pride — and keep their champions league hopes alive — thanks to a 3—0 win over north london rivals arsenal in the premier league. an emphatic win, it was. it was harry kane at the double — after he'd scored

a penalty, came this diving header — made easier because by this point arsenal were down to ten men after rob holding, was sent off for a second yellow card — and it was then a case of how many tottenham would score and son heung—min added a third. spurs are now one point behind the gunners, with two games left to play, but for the arsenal manager it was all about the refereeing decisions. i cannot give you an honest assessment, because i will be suspended for a long time. you can't give me an honest assessment of the match altogether? sorry, i like to be honest, and i cannot give you an honest assessment on the match. is that because you're unhappy with the decisions? you don't have to go into it too much. i am so proud of my players. this game is now gone. we've lost it, we accept it, and we move to newcastle. now a real coup for aston villa — philippe coutinho will be staying at villa park next season. the brazilian has signed permanently from barcelona in a deal worth around £17 million. coutinho arrived on loan injanuary, to link up with head coach steven gerrard, who he played with at liverpool. since then, he's scored four times

and made three assists. he is so influential. his new contract will last until 2026. a bout of excitement, how i feel when i come to the studio with charlie and naga! laughter england's new head coach brendon mccullum says he is looking forward to move the england test team into a more successful era after being appointed as head coach. he's got a big job on his hands though, with england winless in nine tests. and his first test will be against his home nation new zealand next month in a three—match series. mccullum succeeds chris silverwood, who left his position in february following that heavy ashes defeat in australia. and in rugby league, huddersfield are into the top four of the super league, after beating wigan 32—22.

wigan were fighting back until louis senior completed his hat—trick of tries late on to seal the win. and the two sides will meet again in the challenge cup final in just over two weeks' time. the women's rugby union world cup, will be back in england in 2025. the rfu say they want the tournament to be the best attended women's world cup in history, and it will be an expanded competition with 16 nations involved. the aim is to fill twickenham's 82,000 seats for the final, having seen a record crowd of over 15,000 for the england—ireland six nations match at leicester this year. it was great in 2010, playing at the stoop. it was the right thing at the right time, but the game's moved on. obviously, in the last few weeks, welford road, kingsholmd, 14, 15, 16,000 fans there. where can the game be in three years' time? itjust feels like, off the back of the six nations, this is a huge turning point for women's rugby. it was also announced that men's world cup would be in australia following that and then in the united states for the following one. it seems odd it will be in the united states. well, spread the games. thanks very much, mike. see

you later on. the time is 6.34. after long delays — and at much greater cost than expected — the new elizabeth line will open in london later this month. katy austin is there for us this morning... yes, good morning. i'm 34 metres underground at liverpool street. 0ne i'm 34 metres underground at liverpool street. one of the new stations that will be opening on the 24th of may as part of the crossrail project. building this really has been a massive undertaking and you can see one of the platforms there, about 60 miles of track involved, half of it underground which means digging your tunnels. the point of this is to capacity, to cutjourney times, to give more people quicker access to central london and transport for london says it will add £42 billion to the country's economy. but it hasn't been without its issues. arriving more than three years later than initially predicted

and costing about £4 billion more than initially expected as well, bringing the total cost above £18 billion, but it is nearly here now and i've been taking a look at the final tests are done... the train now standing on platform a is your elizabeth line service to abbey wood. no one is getting on or offjust yet, but this new railway is getting ready for its first paying passengers. the line will link shenfield in essex to reading in berkshire via central london, although the full timetable and seamless end—to—end travel won't be in place until next year. it will initially run in three separate parts. from the 24th of may the section between paddington and abbey wood will run monday to saturday with a train every five minutes. this is one of the escalators that takes you down onto the platforms at the new liverpool street station, and it's when you come down here that you get a sense of the scale of the project and the size of these stations. and when passengers come down

and get onto the trains they'll be 200 metres long and they can carry up to 1,500 people at any one time. final preparations for opening have included testing various scenarios, including evacuations. building this railway has been an extremely complex project, involving a huge feat of engineering. 0ne expert told me, despite the delays, it's an achievement to celebrate. the trains are very modern, air—conditioned. there's platform doors. the stations are absolutely like cathedrals. this is really a transforming moment, both for london and for the railways. 70% of the cost has been funded by london and 30% by central government. the pandemic means that for now passenger numbers won't be as high as first predicted, but those behind this project hope the elizabeth line will deliver a genuine boost to london, the south—east of england and beyond. this train is now ready to depart. please stand clear of the doors. mind the closing doors, please.

so pretty empty here at the moment, no passengers yet, but all the shiny new signage is up and lots of work is going on behind the scenes to make sure everything is absolutely ready for passengers to come and use the strain. with me is ken from transport for london. good morning. you're a part of the team trying to make sure the stations for ten —— with me is kim. just explain what your team are with me is kim. just explain what yourteam are doing. with me is kim. just explain what your team are doing. my with me is kim. just explain what your team are doing.— with me is kim. just explain what your team are doing. my team right now i your team are doing. my team right nowl getting _ your team are doing. my team right nowl getting us _ your team are doing. my team right now i getting us ready. _ your team are doing. my team right now i getting us ready. we - your team are doing. my team right now i getting us ready. we have - now i getting us ready. we have hundreds— now i getting us ready. we have hundreds of staff that have been familiarised over the course of months — familiarised over the course of months but now it is the final finishing _ months but now it is the final finishing touches to that, making sure. _ finishing touches to that, making sure. you — finishing touches to that, making sure, you know, these are vast stations, you have seen them, we need _ stations, you have seen them, we need to— stations, you have seen them, we need to make sure we can find our way around — need to make sure we can find our way around them and help our customers make theirjourney so that is quite critical and key, one of the main — is quite critical and key, one of the main thing we're doing right now. _ the main thing we're doing right now. and — the main thing we're doing right now, and of course cleaning. we have to clean— now, and of course cleaning. we have to clean the _ now, and of course cleaning. we have to clean the stations and make sure they are _ to clean the stations and make sure they are ready for those customers when _ they are ready for those customers when they— they are ready for those customers when they arrive on the 24th, and finally—

when they arrive on the 24th, and finally getting over customer information ready across the network and across _ information ready across the network and across tfl. this is part of tfl so you _ and across tfl. this is part of tfl so you see all those tube maps, the stickers _ so you see all those tube maps, the stickers on _ so you see all those tube maps, the stickers on the trains, they all have _ stickers on the trains, they all have to — stickers on the trains, they all have to he _ stickers on the trains, they all have to be updated to show the elizabeth line arriving. you are not great _ elizabeth line arriving. you are not great. thanks forjoining us this morning. — great. thanks forjoining us this morning, kim. we are on the final -- treat, morning, kim. we are on the fina great, thanks morning, kim. we are on the final » great, thanks forjoining us this morning. the final countdown, can't wait for people to start using these new trends. it is wait for people to start using these new trends-— wait for people to start using these new trends. , ~ , new trends. it is 6.39. -- these new trains. here's sarah with a look at this morning's weather. it will be dry everywhere through the course of the day. some rain across scotland but this is the scene in powys, cloud drifting around but sunny spells already breaking through. through the day many will see spells of sunshine. it will feel quite windy, more breezy than of late. some rain down to this front across the north of scotland

this morning. further south, the influence of higher pressure but quite a few isobars on the maps of the breeze and from the west or south—west. this is the recent rainfall mainly across the north and west of scotland and the odd spot of drizzle towards the pennines but generally that rain pushing up towards 0rkney and shetland and sunny spells developing across parts of scotland, northern england and northern ireland, long spells of sunshine further south but we have that breeze coming in and gusts of 30, perhaps 40 mph across the north but still warm, 22 a 23 degrees in the south—east and typically in the mid to high teens across scotland and northern ireland as well. through this evening and overnight that breeze will be easing away with most places dry tonight and still the odd spot of rain across northern parts of scotland. a few mist and fog patches across the south but temperatures to start your saturday morning i certainly frost free, around 6—10 . through the weekend,

not far away, drifting northwards, but then you will notice these heavy showers pushing north, particularly through saturday night and into sunday, so turning increasingly unsettled. to start off saturday morning, dry and fine, long spells of sunshine for most and a little more cloud across northern and western scotland. any early mist and fog clearing away pretty quickly but then we have those downpours waiting in the wings, pushing up towards the channel isles later, but ahead of that a warm day, 14—23 degrees in the sunshine but let's take a look at saturday evening. here those heavy showers and thunderstorms. could be quite a lot of lightning across parts of central and southern england, perhaps into wales as well. a bit of uncertainty about the exact positioning of these showers and thunderstorms through saturday night but moving on into sunday looks like they will drift away a little further north across the uk. sunday likely to be a day of sunny spells and scattered heavy showers with perhaps the odd thunderstorm and some hail mixed in as well but as is the nature with the show as they are

hit and miss not everywhere will catch them. still warm in the south—east, 22 degrees or so, little cooler close to the east coast with the breeze off the north sea through sunday, but still warm in those sunny spells. into next week, still rather unsettled. some showers in the forecast for monday and some others on tuesday as well. turning increasingly unsettled but certainly for today and much of tomorrow a lot of dry and unsettled weather on the cards. back to you both. sarah? yes? will the weather take my breath away? erm, yeah, it could do. saturday night, maybe. will the wind speeds maybe say, make me say, "i feel the need for speed". i can see what you're getting at! are you a fan? i havejust found someone what you're getting at! are you a fan? i have just found someone do anyone who has not seen top gun? no,

i think even my children have have seen it, actually. can't go wrong, can you, classic. it seen it, actually. can't go wrong, can you, classic.— seen it, actually. can't go wrong, can you, classic. it is not a crime, ou can you, classic. it is not a crime, you know? _ can you, classic. it is not a crime, you know? it's — can you, classic. it is not a crime, you know? it's ok. _ can you, classic. it is not a crime, you know? it's ok. it _ can you, classic. it is not a crime, you know? it's ok. it is _ can you, classic. it is not a crime, you know? it's ok. it is close. - can you, classic. it is not a crime, you know? it's ok. it is close. it | you know? it's ok. it is close. it should really — you know? it's ok. it is close. it should really be _ you know? it's ok. it is close. it should really be on _ you know? it's ok. it is close. it should really be on the - you know? it's ok. it is close. it i should really be on the curriculum. you absolutely, yeah. watch it tonight if you haven't seen it. thanks, sarah! it's taken tom cruise 36 years to get back into the cockpit — but according to critics it's well worth the wait. the new film will be out in cinemas later this month — as mark lobel reports. time to feel claustrophobic again. with all due respect, sir... hotshot na ilot with all due respect, sir... hotshot navy pilot maverick _ with all due respect, sir... hotshot navy pilot maverick is _ with all due respect, sir... hotshot navy pilot maverick is back- with all due respect, sir... hotshot navy pilot maverick is back but - with all due respect, sir... hotshot navy pilot maverick is back but this | navy pilot maverick is back but this time he is in charge of training proteges for a dangerous bombing mission. ,., ., ., proteges for a dangerous bombing mission. ., ., ., ., , mission. good morning, aviators. this is your— mission. good morning, aviators. this is your captain _ mission. good morning, aviators. this is your captain speaking. - mission. good morning, aviators. j this is your captain speaking. the

verdict? well. _ this is your captain speaking. iie: verdict? well, simply this is your captain speaking. tie: verdict? well, simply sky—high. it's the most thrilling blockbuster in years, according to a review site rotten tomatoes. critics say the absurdly exciting flick is barrier breaking and even better than the 1986 original. it is breaking and even better than the 1986 original-— breaking and even better than the 1986 original. it is a top gun movie so it looks and _ 1986 original. it is a top gun movie so it looks and feels _ 1986 original. it is a top gun movie so it looks and feels like _ 1986 original. it is a top gun movie so it looks and feels like a - 1986 original. it is a top gun movie so it looks and feels like a top - so it looks and feels like a top gun movie. there is a— movie. there is a sincerity in the film that lies _ movie. there is a sincerity in the film that lies there and - movie. there is a sincerity in the film that lies there and the - movie. there is a sincerity in the film that lies there and the heart of itjust — film that lies there and the heart of itjust speaks film that lies there and the heart of it just speaks to people. of it 'ust speaks to people. viewers of itjust speaks to people. viewers ofthe of itjust speaks to people. viewers of the original will _ of itjust speaks to people. viewers of the original will have _ of itjust speaks to people. viewers of the original will have to - of itjust speaks to people. viewers of the original will have to wait to l of the original will have to wait to find out if he cooks another goose as he takes the anguished son of his former late best friend under his wing. fit. former late best friend under his win. . ., former late best friend under his win. �* ., ., former late best friend under his win. . ., ., , ., wing. a lot of history there and that is what — wing. a lot of history there and that is what makes _ wing. a lot of history there and that is what makes for - wing. a lot of history there and that is what makes for good . wing. a lot of history there and - that is what makes for good drama. the release delayed by the pandemic, cinemagoers will finally find out if maverick has met his match with a new love interest, played by a beautiful mind star, jennifer connelly. i beautiful mind star, jennifer connell . ., , beautiful mind star, jennifer connell. ., , beautiful mind star, jennifer connell . ., , . connelly. i thought penny was a really independent, _ connelly. i thought penny was a really independent, strong - connelly. i thought penny was a .

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has been in touch, they have never seen the original. and someone has a male friend who hasn't seen it and it's coming to the second one. you need a solid base. simon i don't think so, i think you can dive into the second one quite is a —— think so, i think you can dive into the second one quite is a -- no, i don't think— the second one quite is a -- no, i don't think so. _ the second one quite is a -- no, i don't think so. yes, _ the second one quite is a -- no, i don't think so. yes, a _ the second one quite is a -- no, i don't think so. yes, a lot - the second one quite is a -- no, i don't think so. yes, a lot of- don't think so. yes, a lot of excitement about that. another thing happening _ excitement about that. another thing happening this weekend! eurovision is upon us once again, and there is growing optimisim that it might...finally... mm,i mm, ididn't mm, i didn't realise it was going to say that but i don't want to say that. it said it was finally going to be the uk's year. but ukraine has tipped everything on its head and it has just changed it. tipped everything on its head and it hasjust changed it. absolutely. 0bviously hasjust changed it. absolutely. obviously the uk has had years of disappointment. sam ryder is right up there amongst the favoruties for tomorrow's final in turin. here is us predicting. what do we know?

david sillito is there for us this morning, and david just over 24 hours to go, excitement must be building already? you are inglorious turin. that was our speculation about how the voting would go. i wouldn't say it is always a fair process? it is eminently _ always a fair process? it is eminently fair. _ always a fair process? it is eminently fair. that - always a fair process? it is eminently fair. that is - always a fair process? it is eminently fair. that is an i eminently fair. that is an outrageous letter on poor eurovision there. it is also entirely unpredictable —— an outrageous slur on poor your vision. what drama we have had at the semifinals. poor, poor ireland is out, such hope she would get through to the final, and you have to remember of course that ireland is eurovision royalty having won i think seven times. serbia and finland are through. more about them later. they are truly an example of how bizarre eurovision can be. but there is, and i really don't want to jinx anything, though, a feeling that it could be the uk's year. when

i'm say the uk's yeah, i mean a top 20 finish at least. that is as far as i am going. however, yesterday i got to meet as i am going. however, yesterday i got to mee— as i am going. however, yesterday i at to meei , ., ., ., got to meet sam ryder, and i have to say wherever — got to meet sam ryder, and i have to say wherever you _ got to meet sam ryder, and i have to say wherever you go _ got to meet sam ryder, and i have to say wherever you go in _ got to meet sam ryder, and i have to say wherever you go in turin - got to meet sam ryder, and i have to say wherever you go in turin at - got to meet sam ryder, and i have to say wherever you go in turin at the i say wherever you go in turin at the minute, in the street, in the lift, you keep hearing the song, space man. a bit of a buzz out there. the other thing you can say about him, what a nice guy. 0h, have i got a sunglasses mark? we are in turin, and you've got to look your best. we are in italy, after all. and our meeting with sam was a brief chat over a mint tea. cool! am i 0k? yeah, yeah. one, two, three... cheering because things have got a bit hectic for the uk's eurovision hopeful. are you getting any sleep while you are here? lam, actually, yeah. steep — i'm glad you brought it up.

so it's been absolutely relentless, going here, there and everywhere. so you really have to keep an eye on your diet, your rest pattern, staying hydrated. i know these are such obvious things. you're like an athlete. yeah, i always thought that! the worst athlete in the world! sam ryder and space man. if this gets nil points, then there really is no eurovision justice. indeed, as soon as we sat down, the fans began to gather. even the swedes, who know their eurovision, think the uk has got a real chance. i would be so happy for the uk because you have had such terrible years. i felt it was so terrible last year when they said "zero!" i wasjust screaming, "oh, no, it's not possible!" it was so bad for the uk. but this time you're just nailing it. but for sam this is all very new. two and a half years ago, december 2019, where was your singing career?

i did a little bit of everything. i was a labourer, a dogsbody, basically. so december 2019, yourjob is a labourer? yeah. what changed his life... # so give me a sign... # _ ..was this tiktok video. so january 2020... yeah, i shared my first video, of me singing in my mum's kitchen, singing britney spears, hit me baby one more time, as high as i could. and i thought nothing of it because i went to bed that night ijust thought, "that was funny." and i woke up — 2 million people had seen it. my mum was absolutely, like, scared to death that the kitchen was untidy, but it was spotless. the first day, you had 2 million views? yeah, yeah. music: space man by sam ryder

and two years on, the lockdown tiktok star's space man was picked for eurovision. # there's nothing but space, man... # did you have any doubts about eurovision? yeah, but they were all made by me, so i could turn them off. as soon as i got the offer, my heart, as a fan, i was like, "yes, i want to do it", and then a split second later, because this is how the human brain works for all of us, you get the "yeah, but what if you get nil points?" laughter 0r, like, "what if you never work again? this could ruin you." all of these stupid things. but it's important that you realise that you make those thoughts, that you make those doubts and fears, and you can choose to follow them or you can choose to switch it and just think positively, and that's... the attitude is key, absolutely key. here we are, i've got eurovision... what are we doing now? you are number tonight. what are we doing now? you are numbertonight. i what are we doing now? you are number tonight.— what are we doing now? you are number tonight. i mean, look, it's so cool but— number tonight. i mean, look, it's so cool but i _ number tonight. i mean, look, it's so cool but i don't _ number tonight. i mean, look, it's so cool but i don't want _ number tonight. i mean, look, it's so cool but i don't want to -- - number tonight. i mean, look, it's so cool but i don't want to -- you | so cool but i don't want to —— you are a _ so cool but i don't want to —— you are a number— so cool but i don't want to —— you

are a number tonight. i don't want to believe — are a number tonight. i don't want to believe it — are a number tonight. i don't want to believe it too much. white no, forget _ to believe it too much. white no, forget it — to believe it too much. white no, forget it. numbers are not the game. yes, forget it. numbers are not the game. yes. let's— forget it. numbers are not the game. yes. let's not— forget it. numbers are not the game. yes, let's notjinx anything, but i did have one final question. what's u - , did have one final question. what's up. friends? _ did have one final question. what's up. friends? l _ did have one final question. what's up, friends? i am _ did have one final question. what's up, friends? i am here _ did have one final question. what's up, friends? i am here in _ did have one final question. what's up, friends? i am here in turin - did have one final question. what's| up, friends? i am here in turin with up, friends? lam here in turin with my good— up, friends? lam here in turin with my good friend david from bbc breakfast and these legends over harem _ breakfast and these legends over here... ., ., ,, ., breakfast and these legends over here... ., ., .. here... could we make a tiktok? laughter _ laughter bbc breakfast, there we go. then you 'ust bbc breakfast, there we go. then you just hit— bbc breakfast, there we go. then you just hit the _ bbc breakfast, there we go. then you just hit the post. like my i rather doubt _ just hit the post. like my i rather doubt this— just hit the post. like my i rather doubt this will be getting millions of years. — doubt this will be getting millions of years, but hey. i'm not sure if that— of years, but hey. i'm not sure if that is— of years, but hey. i'm not sure if that is a — of years, but hey. i'm not sure if that is a viral— of years, but hey. i'm not sure if that is a viral video. | of years, but hey. i'm not sure if that is a viral video.— that is a viral video. i think we ma aet that is a viral video. i think we may get at _ that is a viral video. i think we may get at least _ that is a viral video. i think we may get at least 100 - that is a viral video. i think we may get at least 100 views - that is a viral video. i think we i may get at least 100 views when that is a viral video. i think we - may get at least 100 views when that goes out. so i now understand network, and all i can say is you are making the uk are very proud at the moment and it has been an honour and a privilege. good luck. thank

ou. and a privilege. good luck. thank you- thanks _ and a privilege. good luck. thank you- thanks so — and a privilege. good luck. thank you. thanks so much _ and a privilege. good luck. thank you. thanks so much for- and a privilege. good luck. thank you. thanks so much for taking i and a privilege. good luck. thank i you. thanks so much for taking the time _ you. thanks so much for taking the time to— you. thanks so much for taking the time to chat — you. thanks so much for taking the time to chat and for the lovely folks _ time to chat and for the lovely folks supporting at home, i appreciate you. myself and the whole team. _ appreciate you. myself and the whole team. and _ appreciate you. myself and the whole team, and these guys too. we are stoked _ team, and these guys too. we are stoked for— team, and these guys too. we are stoked for your vision and we are going _ stoked for your vision and we are going to — stoked for your vision and we are going to give it everything. peace. love _ going to give it everything. peace. love you — going to give it everything. peace. love you. bye—bye. i have just been checking and i don't think ira tiktok is doing very well. i think i need a bit of practice on this. anyway, you have to remember —— i don't think either tiktok is doing very well. you have to remember the runaway favourites in this is ukraine. just the story alone of how that orchestra have got to turin, where they had to have special permission to get here. we were seeing the photograph of the person who is going to be doing their commentary in ukraine, sort of in a war—torn bunker, and the story of them getting here, one of the members couldn't make it. he has

joined the military in ukraine. it is almost certainly going to be ukraine's night, but i don't think we are going to have what we had in previous years, which was the pity about the poor uk being down at the bottom of the running order, the bottom of the running order, the bottom of the scoreboard. definitely, i would say, somewhere... may be a top ten finish for sam there. i was also going to mention about the other two, serbia and finland. now serbia is down towards the end of the running order, near us tonight, and it is quite the most bonkers eurovision song i've seen for a very long time, but it is insanely catchy, and the lyrics, "what is the secret of meghan markle's healthy hair? "

lyrics, "what is the secret of meghan markle's healthy hair? i defy you to find any song like that there has been before a new revision history. the only reference i am aware of to the here nervous system. everyone in the arena was clapping along last night and also the 80s heavy metal from finland along last night and also the 80s heavy metalfrom finland got along last night and also the 80s heavy metal from finland got through to the final, so it's going to be an interesting night. ithink to the final, so it's going to be an interesting night. i think sam will do well. i think the winner will be ukraine, but you know what? eurovision always throws in some surprises. studio: you have teased it up beautifully. what a lovely guy. sam just seems like one of those people who just had an effect on wherever he goes, just delightful! do who just had an effect on wherever he goes, just delightful!— he goes, 'ust delightful! do you know, he goes, just delightful! do you know. when _ he goes, just delightful! do you know, when you _ he goes, just delightful! do you know, when you meet - he goes, just delightful! do you j know, when you meet someone he goes, just delightful! do you - know, when you meet someone who sort of brings joy along with them, it's like a cloud. i mean, i've done a lot of eurovision is in the past and you have been aware that by the time you have been aware that by the time you reach this point sort of the reality of what is going to happen is sinking in to some of our

previous contestants, i mean, one previous contestants, i mean, one previous contestants, i mean, one previous contestant has even written a book, how eurovision destroyed my life, and with mcneil it is pure joy- life, and with mcneil it is pure joy. the delight that he is doing this —— with sam it is purejoy. it builds and has this crescendo towards the end, the sort of uplifting thing as well. the fact that you meet him and people around, all over the place, they sort of started to smile, and you thought, this is what eurovision is. i mean, it is a veryjoyful experience. when it is a veryjoyful experience. when it arrives in a city people are here to have fun and it's a competition which sort of everybody wants everyone to do well. it is quite peculiar. but sam seems to be having the time of his life, truly enjoying the time of his life, truly enjoying the experience, but we also... and you will see this tomorrow. we had

the other high favourite from italy and he came and joined us at the same cafe and then you saw the crowds descended on us and you realise quite what eurovision can do for someone. realise quite what eurovision can do forsomeone. forsome realise quite what eurovision can do for someone. for some people it has been the end of their careers, but for mahmood it is the beginning of something and we saw that. and for sam, he couldn't have done a better job so far. sam, he couldn't have done a better 'ob so far. .g . ., ., ., ., job so far. unofficial award for ou, the job so far. unofficial award for you. the bbc _ job so far. unofficial award for you, the bbc best _ job so far. unofficial award for you, the bbc best balcony - job so far. unofficial award for you, the bbc best balcony of. job so far. unofficial award for. you, the bbc best balcony of the morning award. it looks absolutely stunning. we will talk to later on. it's a tough life, isn't it? studio: he is bearing up, isn't he? time to catch up with where you are this morning and we will be back with the at seven. good morning, welcome to breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. good morning from bbc london, i'm paul murphy—kasp. earlier this week, we brought you the story of scam artists

who ran bogus meet and greet car services around airports. well, one such rogue trader working around gatwick has been handed a suspended sentence and ordered to pay compensation, following an investigation by trading standards. muhammed muneeb amjad was the director of park direct gatwick limited, which misled holidaymakers to believe their cars were parked securely. instead, inspectors found between 200 and 300 cars parked closely together in a field, many of them unlocked. when we do get instances of this, we take it very seriously. the detriment is significant. consumers are being significantly misled. and we'll take action through the courts, if necessary. average rents in london have risen by 14% a year, averaging around £2,000 a month. there are also more than triple the number of tenants inquiring as there are rental properties available, according to rightmove. the royal institution of chartered surveyors said that over half of estate agents expect rents to rise in the next three months, the highest proportion since its records started in 1999.

plans for a major upgrade ofjunction 10 of the m25 have been approved by the transport secretary. it involves widening the motorway and the adjoining a3 around the junction. the area currently has one of the highest recorded collision rates across england's main roads. if you're heading out on public transport this morning, this is how tfl services are looking right now. taking a look at the tube, all looking good, apart from that ongoing closure of the bank branch of the northern line, which is scheduled to reopen monday morning. and for all the latest travel news where you are, tune into your bbc local radio station for regular updates throughout the morning. onto the weather now with elizabeth. hello, good morning. with high—pressure dominating, there's lots of dry weather to talk about across the capital over the next couple of days or so. plenty of sunshine too, and it will start to feel warmer but it may not be a completely dry weekend. we are expecting some heavy, possibly thundery, downpours to move

northwards on saturday night into sunday. for today, though, it is looking dry. it's locally been quite a chilly start to the morning, but of course sunrise was at 5.15 earlier on, so it's been up for a while now. lots of sunshine around throughout the morning. some fair weather cloud developing as we head through the afternoon. and we stop at a fairly brisk and noticeable westerly wind blowing. temperatures will be higher than they were yesterday, peaking at around 22 maybe as high as 22 celsius. through this evening and overnight, again it's looking dry. lots of long clear spells around and temperatures dropping back into high single figures for most into saturday morning. a lot more sunshine around on saturday, and again it's looking dry during the daylight hours. temperatures could be slightly higher too, but as we head through saturday night watch out for those showers moving northwards. they'll still be around possibly throughout the day on sunday, which is looking a bit cooler with more of an easterly wind. there's plenty more on our website at the usual address. and i'm back with more in half an hour. bye for now.

good morning, welcome to breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. our headlines today. a damehood for deborahjames — the podcaster and cancer campaigner is honoured by the queen. ministers are asked to cut up to 90,000 civil service jobs, with the savings earmarked for tax cuts. calls for more money and more staff, as the number of people waiting for adult social care services in england continues to rise. a trifle fit for a queen — we meet the winner of the competition to find the official pudding for the queen's platinum jubilee. the race for the top four is blown wide open, as tottenham hotspur emphatically beat their bitter rivals arsenal, in the chase for champions league football next season.

good morning. a bright and breezy day today. some rain in the north of scotland but a try across much of the uk. a noticeable wind blowing. we could see temperatures as high as 23 degrees. good morning. it's friday, the 13th of may. our main story. the cancer campaigner deborahjames — also known as bowel babe — says she's hugely honoured to be awarded a damehood. the 40—year—old — who hosts the bbc�*s you, me and the big c podcast — has raised almost £4 million for charity since monday, when she revealed she's recieving end of life care. jon donnison reports. # there were nights of endless pleasure...#. deborahjames — diarist, occasional diva, and now dame. forfive years, with remarkable energy and good humour, she's documented her life with cancer.

now in herfinal days, she's been honoured by the queen. she confirmed the news announced by downing street in a tweet last night, telling the bbc she was shocked and humbled. it comes just a few days after the 40—year—old mother of two announced she was ending her treatment and was now receiving end—of—life hospice care. i have a really loving family who i adore and couldn't... i honestly, like, they're just incredible. and all i knew i wanted was to come here and be able to relax, knowing that everything was ok. music: rise up by andra day deborahjames' inspiring

videos, often set to music and posted on social media, have reached millions. the former deputy head teacher was just 35 when she was diagnosed with stage four bowel cancer in 2016. but she's been determined to share her story to try and help others. on her podcast, you, me and the big c, which she was still presenting until a few months ago, she could be funny but didn't hide her emotions. i'm back on treatment, and every single time i'm back on treatment i'm like, "i don't want to be here". in just the past four days deborah james' bowel babe cancer research fund has raised almost £4 million. in a statement on her damehood, the prime minister said...

dame deborahjames, has achieved so much in such a short time, says she'll now spend her remaining days at her parents' home in surrey surrounded by her family. jon donnison, bbc news. borisjohnson has ordered ministers to come up with a plan to cut around 90,000 civil service jobs — that's around one in five. downing street says the move willl help tackle the cost of living crisis, but unions say the plan is ill thought—out. our political correspondent nick eardleyjoins us from westminster. these are a lot of people. we are talking about a lot of employees and in theory a lot of money could be saved. take us through the reality? yeah, about one in five civil servants _ yeah, about one in five civil servants. it is a lot of people. the government— servants. it is a lot of people. the government thinks that potentially try government thinks that potentially by doing _ government thinks that potentially by doing this it could save £35 by doing this it could save £3.5 billion— by doing this it could save £35 billion a — by doing this it could save £35 billion a year. the argument they would _ billion a year. the argument they would make is that if they do that,

that money— would make is that if they do that, that money can go elsewhere. maybe on tax _ that money can go elsewhere. maybe on tax cuts _ that money can go elsewhere. maybe on tax cuts. maybe on investment in other— on tax cuts. maybe on investment in other areas. — on tax cuts. maybe on investment in other areas, which are going to be crucial— other areas, which are going to be crucial over — other areas, which are going to be crucial over the next few years. i have _ crucial over the next few years. i have been— crucial over the next few years. i have been speaking to some government insiders this morning. they say— government insiders this morning. they say this is not ideological. it is not _ they say this is not ideological. it is not about a war of the civil service _ is not about a war of the civil service it _ is not about a war of the civil service. it is about good housekeeping, as they would see it. ithink— housekeeping, as they would see it. i think we _ housekeeping, as they would see it. i think we will hear that argument from _ i think we will hear that argument from ministers over the next day or so. from ministers over the next day or so this _ from ministers over the next day or so this is — from ministers over the next day or so. this is about trying to get the civil service — so. this is about trying to get the civil service back to the levels it was before the pandemic and all the emergency stuff that was done during that command before brexit, when a lot of— that command before brexit, when a lot of things changed and we needed a bunch _ lot of things changed and we needed a bunch of— lot of things changed and we needed a bunch of policy experts to deal with that — a bunch of policy experts to deal with that. however, the practicalities of actually getting rid of— practicalities of actually getting rid of one in five civil servants could — rid of one in five civil servants could he — rid of one in five civil servants could be tricky. the biggest employers in government are departments that could be really busy over— departments that could be really busy over the next few years. the department for work and pensions, which _ department for work and pensions, which is _ department for work and pensions, which is facing the cost of living crisis _ which is facing the cost of living crisis the — which is facing the cost of living crisis. the ministry ofjustice is

facing — crisis. the ministry ofjustice is facing backlogs in the courts. hmrc, who look— facing backlogs in the courts. hmrc, who look after taxes, they could be facing _ who look after taxes, they could be facing hig _ who look after taxes, they could be facing big changes. the tax system. making _ facing big changes. the tax system. making this happen may be easier said than— making this happen may be easier said than done. and the message from jacob rees—mogg, sources close to him this— jacob rees—mogg, sources close to him this morning, is that they want to do— him this morning, is that they want to do this _ him this morning, is that they want to do this by— him this morning, is that they want to do this by freezing employment and by— to do this by freezing employment and by natural churn, people who are going _ and by natural churn, people who are going to _ and by natural churn, people who are going to leave anyway. they don't want _ going to leave anyway. they don't want compulsory redundancies. but they have _ want compulsory redundancies. but they have not been categorically ruled _ they have not been categorically ruled out — they have not been categorically ruled out either. i suspect the unions — ruled out either. i suspect the unions will want to see details and there _ unions will want to see details and there could be a battle over this to come _ come. nick, thank come. — nick, thank you. the northern ireland assembly will meet for the first time today, since sinn fein replaced the democratic unionists as the largest party in last week's election. the dup is set to block the formation of a power—sharing devolved government, over its opposition to the post—brexit trade border with great britain. charlotte gallagher is at stormont and joins us now.

morning to you. a lot going on with this. a lot of lack of agreement, a real lack of agreement. what does this mean when it comes to everyday business, lawmaking, for example, in northern ireland? it is business, lawmaking, for example, in northern ireland?— northern ireland? it is meant to be back to business _ northern ireland? it is meant to be back to business here _ northern ireland? it is meant to be back to business here at _ northern ireland? it is meant to be back to business here at stormontl back to business here at stormont today— back to business here at stormont today after last week's historic elections, which saw sinn fein emerge — elections, which saw sinn fein emerge as the largest party. but what _ emerge as the largest party. but what could happen is no business at all, what could happen is no business at all. because— what could happen is no business at all, because the dup, we still don't know— all, because the dup, we still don't know if— all, because the dup, we still don't know if they are going to elect a speaker— know if they are going to elect a speaker instalment. and the speaker allows— speaker instalment. and the speaker allows the _ speaker instalment. and the speaker allows the assembly to perform normal — allows the assembly to perform normal functions, for things to be done _ normal functions, for things to be done here — normal functions, for things to be done here at stormont. if that does not happen, essentially the building behind _ not happen, essentially the building behind me could lie dormant again. it is behind me could lie dormant again. it is a _ behind me could lie dormant again. it is a really. — behind me could lie dormant again. it is a really, really crucial day for northern ireland. we don't know if the _ for northern ireland. we don't know if the dup_ for northern ireland. we don't know if the dup are going to do this. we haven't_ if the dup are going to do this. we haven't heard yet. they say they

haven't — haven't heard yet. they say they haven't made up their mind. we do know— haven't made up their mind. we do know they— haven't made up their mind. we do know they are not entering into a power—sharing executive, so essentially nominating a first minister— essentially nominating a first minister and deputy first minister, until the _ minister and deputy first minister, until the northern ireland protocol, for them. _ until the northern ireland protocol, for them. is — until the northern ireland protocol, for them, is resolved. this is the bil for them, is resolved. this is the big stumbling block. they can't get past this _ big stumbling block. they can't get past this. essentially it creates a border. — past this. essentially it creates a border. as— past this. essentially it creates a border, as they see it, between northern— border, as they see it, between northern ireland and the rest of the uk. northern ireland and the rest of the uk for— northern ireland and the rest of the uk. forthem, that is northern ireland and the rest of the uk. for them, that is simply untenable. it cannot stand. of course. — untenable. it cannot stand. of course. if _ untenable. it cannot stand. of course, if business can't get back to normal— course, if business can't get back to normal here at stormont, that puts a _ to normal here at stormont, that puts a lot — to normal here at stormont, that puts a lot of pressure on the uk government and the eu to resolve the issues _ government and the eu to resolve the issues around this protocol. other parties _ issues around this protocol. other parties are — issues around this protocol. other parties are pretty sick of the situation _ parties are pretty sick of the situation. they want to get back to business — situation. they want to get back to business. they say, look, we have been _ business. they say, look, we have been elected to the assembly, we can't _ been elected to the assembly, we can't do _ been elected to the assembly, we can't do ourjob, sinn fein of accused _ can't do ourjob, sinn fein of accused the dup of holding society to ransom~ — accused the dup of holding society to ransom. and a lot of people here, voters _ to ransom. and a lot of people here, voters in _ to ransom. and a lot of people here, voters in northern ireland, are pretty— voters in northern ireland, are pretty fed _ voters in northern ireland, are pretty fed up. one man told me last night _ pretty fed up. one man told me last night that— pretty fed up. one man told me last night that northern ireland could be

and should be a gold mine, but he said things — and should be a gold mine, but he said thingsjust don't get done here — here. charlotte, here. — charlotte, thank you very much. charlotte, thank you very much. charlotte gallagher explaining the situation. the number of elderly and disabled people in england waiting for care services is rising rapidly, according to officials who run local authority social care. figures from the association of directors of adult social services suggest more than half a million vulnerable people are facing delayed assessments, reviews or issues with day—to—day care. they say the situation is getting worse. we can't afford for social care to be an _ we can't afford for social care to be an afterthought. because that 'ust be an afterthought. because that just creates this vicious cycle where — just creates this vicious cycle where people deteriorate and need more _ where people deteriorate and need more help, more health and care. the rising cost of energy is a worry for most households at the moment, the government has admitted that bills may need to rise even more, to fund its push to build new nuclear power plants. business secretary kwasi kwarteng has defended the plans, saying the £120 million investment would eventually provide cheaper electricity.

our political correspondent ione wells has more. anglesey island, a popular spot for a swim, a dog walker, and maybe the uk's next nuclear power station. its last one has been retired, but ministers want a new one. what do people here think? it ministers want a new one. what do people here think?— people here think? it needs to ha en people here think? it needs to happen and — people here think? it needs to happen and l _ people here think? it needs to happen and i think _ people here think? it needs to happen and i think it _ people here think? it needs to happen and i think it will- people here think? it needs to happen and i think it will bringj people here think? it needs to i happen and i think it will bring a lot of good to the area and of course help with everybody�*s bills. hopefully, in the long term. i’m course help with everybody's bills. hopefully, in the long term. i'm not ha - at hopefully, in the long term. i'm not happy at all. — hopefully, in the long term. i'm not happy at all, because _ hopefully, in the long term. i'm not happy at all, because i _ hopefully, in the long term. i'm not happy at all, because i have - hopefully, in the long term. i'm not happy at all, because i have been i happy at all, because i have been asking _ happy at all, because i have been asking one — happy at all, because i have been asking one question all along. for 50 years. — asking one question all along. for 50 years. i— asking one question all along. for 50 years, i have been asking what is going _ 50 years, i have been asking what is going to happen to the nuclear waste? — going to happen to the nuclear waste? lt— going to happen to the nuclear waste? . . . going to happen to the nuclear waste? , ., .' ., going to happen to the nuclear waste? , ., ., , waste? it is a tricky one. the pros brin: waste? it is a tricky one. the pros bring work — waste? it is a tricky one. the pros bring work to _ waste? it is a tricky one. the pros bring work to the _ waste? it is a tricky one. the pros bring work to the island. - waste? it is a tricky one. the pros bring work to the island. and - waste? it is a tricky one. the pros| bring work to the island. and also, it will— bring work to the island. and also, it will eventually— bring work to the island. and also, it will eventually bring _ bring work to the island. and also, it will eventually bring more - it will eventually bring more energy _ it will eventually bring more energy they— it will eventually bring more energy. they need - it will eventually bring more energy. they need to - it will eventually bring more energy. they need to thinkl it will eventually bring more. energy. they need to think of it will eventually bring more - energy. they need to think of the cost and —

energy. they need to think of the cost and the _ energy. they need to think of the cost and the timescale. _ energy. they need to think of the cost and the timescale. companies have previously — cost and the timescale. companies have previously pulled _ cost and the timescale. companies have previously pulled out - cost and the timescale. companies have previously pulled out of- have previously pulled out of building new nuclear power stations here, concerned about the cost and risk. the government thinks a new model will help that by putting levies on people's energy bills to help fund their construction. it might have a small effect. we are talking maybe £30 on a bill over a year. so talking maybe £30 on a bill over a ear, ., talking maybe £30 on a bill over a ear. i. ., , , . year. so you would be expecting similar for— year. so you would be expecting similar for nuclear? _ year. so you would be expecting similar for nuclear? let's - year. so you would be expecting similar for nuclear? let's see. i similar for nuclear? let's see. there is no — similar for nuclear? let's see. there is no doubt _ similar for nuclear? let's see. there is no doubt in _ similar for nuclear? let's see. there is no doubt in the - similar for nuclear? let's see. i there is no doubt in the medium similar for nuclear? let's see. - there is no doubt in the medium term that will reduce, it will give us cheaper power. now i can't tell you on what precise date the bills will be known. there are other factors determining the price. you be known. there are other factors determining the price.— determining the price. you are confidently _ determining the price. you are confidently political _ determining the price. you are confidently political gamble i determining the price. you are confidently political gamble is| confidently political gamble is whether in terms of further cost to consumers?— whether in terms of further cost to consumers? ~ , ,., , ., , consumers? absolutely. people here reall want consumers? absolutely. people here really want to — consumers? absolutely. people here really want to see _ consumers? absolutely. people here really want to see new _ consumers? absolutely. people here really want to see new investment i really want to see new investment jobs, opportunity forthe really want to see new investment jobs, opportunity for the kids and their community. fits jobs, opportunity for the kids and their community.— jobs, opportunity for the kids and their community. as well as large nuclear stations, _ their community. as well as large nuclear stations, the _ their community. as well as large nuclear stations, the government| their community. as well as large i nuclear stations, the government is supporting modular reactors, which

it claims are simpler to build. rolls—royce want to build one here and argue short—term bill rises would protect consumers long term. at the end of the day these projects deliver— at the end of the day these projects deliver that net zero, clean energy. it deliver that net zero, clean energy. it has _ deliver that net zero, clean energy. it has to _ deliver that net zero, clean energy. it has to be — deliver that net zero, clean energy. it has to be paid for. long run it will protect _ it has to be paid for. long run it will protect consumers from the volatility— will protect consumers from the volatility we can see today with the .as volatility we can see today with the gas price _ volatility we can see today with the gas price volatility. the government once our energy _ gas price volatility. the government once our energy in _ gas price volatility. the government once our energy in the _ gas price volatility. the government once our energy in the future - gas price volatility. the government once our energy in the future to - gas price volatility. the government once our energy in the future to be l once our energy in the future to be secure, faster and cheaper. renewables are part of its strategy, offering cheaper energy bills for people who live near onshore wind farms. that is just one part of the plan. ministers want to place the big bet on nuclear power, arguing it is necessary for when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow. the challenge is these plans are long—term and expensive, at a time when people's short—term budgets are the front of everyone's mounts. the government say nuclear as part of the solution to energy prices, not the problem. but it admits this won't be an instant fix.

i only wells, bbc news, anglesey. we'rejoined now by professor mike fitzpatrick from coventry university, an expert on nuclear power. good morning. we are all on a bit of a learning curve, right now. not you, you know this territory very well. where are we with our nuclear power under the plans that lie ahead? . . . power under the plans that lie ahead? , , ., . ., ahead? give us a snapshot. nuclear now contributes _ ahead? give us a snapshot. nuclear now contributes about _ ahead? give us a snapshot. nuclear now contributes about 1596 - ahead? give us a snapshot. nuclear now contributes about 1596 of - ahead? give us a snapshot. nuclear now contributes about 1596 of our i now contributes about 15% of our electricity — now contributes about 15% of our electricity supply. the advantage of nuclear— electricity supply. the advantage of nuclear is _ electricity supply. the advantage of nuclear is that it does that consistently and reliably. we have done _ consistently and reliably. we have done a _ consistently and reliably. we have done a really good job of decarbonising our electricity supply on average about moving to renewables. but as it said in the report. — renewables. but as it said in the report, when the wind doesn't blow and the _ report, when the wind doesn't blow and the sun— report, when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine, we are topping _ and the sun doesn't shine, we are topping that up with bottled fuels. with our— topping that up with bottled fuels. with our your nuclear plants coming to the _ with our your nuclear plants coming to the end _ with our your nuclear plants coming to the end of their lives, we need to the end of their lives, we need to be _ to the end of their lives, we need to be replacing them to have the energy— to be replacing them to have the energy security. gk, to be replacing them to have the energy security-— to be replacing them to have the energy security. ok, so give me the government's _ energy security. ok, so give me the government's dream _ energy security. ok, so give me the

government's dream scenario? i energy security. ok, so give me the| government's dream scenario? what percentage of our power would be created in the new vision by nuclear power? i created in the new vision by nuclear ower? .. created in the new vision by nuclear ower? ~' , , , created in the new vision by nuclear ower? ,, , , , ., power? i think the bass line is that we maintain _ power? i think the bass line is that we maintain where _ power? i think the bass line is that we maintain where we _ power? i think the bass line is that we maintain where we are - power? i think the bass line is that we maintain where we are now. i we maintain where we are now. ideally— we maintain where we are now. ideally we — we maintain where we are now. ideally we get up to maybe 25, 30% with nuclear. that is complemented by increasing investment in renewables. and of the technologies that allow _ renewables. and of the technologies that allow us to do storage of renewable power when we have a surplus. — renewable power when we have a surplus, that then means we don't have _ surplus, that then means we don't have to _ surplus, that then means we don't have to switch to fossil fuels when renewable — have to switch to fossil fuels when renewable generation falls. £120 million, it seems _ renewable generation falls. £120 million, it seems a _ renewable generation falls. £120 million, it seems a small - renewable generation falls. £14: million, it seems a small amount of money to unlock and accelerate new nuclear technology. this is what this government fund is about. it is going to mean eight new reactors are approved by 2030. when do they get built? when do they actually start working? built? when do they actually start workin: ? �* ., . ., built? when do they actually start workinl? �* ., . ., ., working? building a nuclear reactor is a ma'or working? building a nuclear reactor is a major mechanical _ working? building a nuclear reactor is a major mechanical engineering l is a major mechanical engineering project _ is a major mechanical engineering project. you're looking at about a ten year— project. you're looking at about a ten year construction period. even if a approved _

ten year construction period. even if a approved in — ten year construction period. even if a approved in 2030, _ ten year construction period. evert if a approved in 2030, those ten year construction period. even if a approved in 2030, those eight reactors add to how many we have now? ~ ., ., , ., reactors add to how many we have now? . ., ., , ., , ., , now? we have eight operating plants comint now? we have eight operating plants comin: to now? we have eight operating plants coming to the — now? we have eight operating plants coming to the end _ now? we have eight operating plants coming to the end of _ now? we have eight operating plants coming to the end of their— now? we have eight operating plants coming to the end of their lives. it i coming to the end of their lives. [i is coming to the end of their lives. is double our coming to the end of their lives. it is double our nuclear energy capabilities. it is double our nuclear energy capabilities.— is double our nuclear energy caabilities. , ., , , capabilities. it is really replacing them because _ capabilities. it is really replacing them because most _ capabilities. it is really replacing them because most of— capabilities. it is really replacing them because most of those i capabilities. it is really replacing them because most of those are capabilities. it is really replacing i them because most of those are due to be _ them because most of those are due to be coming off long before 2030. so this— to be coming off long before 2030. so this is— to be coming off long before 2030. so this is about maintaining where we are _ so this is about maintaining where we are now. — so this is about maintaining where we are now, by having new nuclear builds _ we are now, by having new nuclear builds to _ we are now, by having new nuclear builds to replace plans we currently have operating. -- builds to replace plans we currently have operating-— have operating. -- plants. the ener: have operating. -- plants. the energy we _ have operating. -- plants. the energy we get _ have operating. -- plants. the energy we get from _ have operating. -- plants. the energy we get from nuclear i have operating. -- plants. the | energy we get from nuclear will have operating. -- plants. the i energy we get from nuclear will go down then?— down then? there is a possibility that during _ down then? there is a possibility that during this _ down then? there is a possibility that during this decade _ down then? there is a possibility that during this decade we i down then? there is a possibility that during this decade we will. down then? there is a possibility i that during this decade we will have periods _ that during this decade we will have periods where nuclear is reducing. is periods where nuclear is reducing. is the _ periods where nuclear is reducing. is the storage capacity in renewables in enough substitute that? ., renewables in enough substitute that? ila. so what happens to our that? no. so what happens to our bills? it that? no. so what happens to our bills? it is — that? no. so what happens to our bills? it is a _ that? no. so what happens to our bills? it is a supply issue, isn't it? it bills? it is a supply issue, isn't it? , ., , ., bills? it is a supply issue, isn't it? it is, and it is a supply issue that has been _ it? it is, and it is a supply issue that has been in _ it? it is, and it is a supply issue that has been in the _ it? it is, and it is a supply issue that has been in the pipeline i it? it is, and it is a supply issue | that has been in the pipeline for ten. _ that has been in the pipeline for ten. 20. — that has been in the pipeline for ten, 20, even 30 years. so it is

very— ten, 20, even 30 years. so it is very good — ten, 20, even 30 years. so it is very good of— ten, 20, even 30 years. so it is very good of the government is taking — very good of the government is taking these decisions now. it is a very long — taking these decisions now. it is a very long horizon. is taking these decisions now. it is a very long horizon.— very long horizon. is there too late? in very long horizon. is there too late? in many _ very long horizon. is there too late? in many ways _ very long horizon. is there too late? in many ways it - very long horizon. is there too late? in many ways it is i very long horizon. is there too late? in many ways it is too i very long horizon. is there too i late? in many ways it is too late. we should _ late? in many ways it is too late. we should have _ late? in many ways it is too late. we should have been _ late? in many ways it is too late. we should have been doing i late? in many ways it is too late. we should have been doing this. late? in many ways it is too late. i we should have been doing this ten or 20 _ we should have been doing this ten or 20 years — we should have been doing this ten or 20 years ago. the fact the government is doing it now is critically— government is doing it now is critically important. alongside the new investments, the government have said they— new investments, the government have said they will look at possibly extending the lives of the existing plant _ extending the lives of the existing plant. but nuclear is a heavily regulated industry. the regulator has to— regulated industry. the regulator has to convince that any life extensions would be safe. there will have to _ extensions would be safe. there will have to be _ extensions would be safe. there will have to be a — extensions would be safe. there will have to be a lot of work done. professor. _ have to be a lot of work done. professor, just come right back to theissue professor, just come right back to the issue of price, which is sensitive. you have outlined the big picture in terms of timings and all that. what kwarteng there was, i mean, he talked about a figure of £30 a year more on an average bill. —— kwasi kwarteng. what does that figure represents? why has he come up figure represents? why has he come up with £30? i figure represents? why has he come up with £30?— up with £30? i think it is a finger in the air of— up with £30? i think it is a finger in the air of what _ up with £30? i think it is a finger in the air of what that _ up with £30? i think it is a finger| in the air of what that investment in the air of what that investment in new— in the air of what that investment in new nuclear is going to cost

across— in new nuclear is going to cost across the _ in new nuclear is going to cost across the system. what we have to realise _ across the system. what we have to realise is _ across the system. what we have to realise is that as consumers we are buying _ realise is that as consumers we are buying into— realise is that as consumers we are buying into a system that has got nuclear. — buying into a system that has got nuclear, renewables, fossil fuels. we have — nuclear, renewables, fossil fuels. we have heard a lot about renewables getting _ we have heard a lot about renewables getting cheaper. but because they are in— getting cheaper. but because they are in that — getting cheaper. but because they are in that system where, when they don't _ are in that system where, when they don't operate, something has to come in instead. _ don't operate, something has to come in instead, which at the moment is fossil— in instead, which at the moment is fossil fuels — in instead, which at the moment is fossil fuels. we want to remove that in the _ fossil fuels. we want to remove that in the future. investment has to be in the future. investment has to be in the _ in the future. investment has to be in the system as a whole.— in the future. investment has to be in the system as a whole. when you say sticking — in the system as a whole. when you say sticking a _ in the system as a whole. when you say sticking a finger _ in the system as a whole. when you say sticking a finger in _ in the system as a whole. when you say sticking a finger in the - in the system as a whole. when you say sticking a finger in the air, i say sticking a finger in the air, that tends to mean it is pure guesswork? i that tends to mean it is pure guesswork?— guesswork? i don't think it's guesswork- _ guesswork? i don't think it's guesswork. there's - guesswork? i don't think it's guesswork. there's more i guesswork? i don't think it's guesswork. there's more to | guesswork? i don't think it's i guesswork. there's more to it guesswork? i don't think it's - guesswork. there's more to it than that _ guesswork. there's more to it than that it _ guesswork. there's more to it than that it will— guesswork. there's more to it than that. it will be looking at the investments we have heard of 120 million _ investments we have heard of 120 million. the other investments that have been— million. the other investments that have been announced to develop nuclear— have been announced to develop nuclear technology, such as the small _ nuclear technology, such as the small modular reactors, and what that means across the system and how it floats _ that means across the system and how it floats down to consumers. refill}r it floats down to consumers. really interesting- — it floats down to consumers. really interesting. thank _ it floats down to consumers. really interesting. thank you _ it floats down to consumers. really interesting. thank you so _ it floats down to consumers. really interesting. thank you so much. i interesting. thank you so much. professor mike fitzpatrick from coventry university.— professor mike fitzpatrick from coventry university. thank you. sarah is looking _

coventry university. thank you. sarah is looking at _ coventry university. thank you. sarah is looking at the - coventry university. thank you. | sarah is looking at the weather. | coventry university. thank you. sarah is looking at the weather. some sunshine. morning. morning. we have got some sunshine today for much of the uk. most places largely dry with spells of sunshine, but it is going to be feeling quite breezy, quite windy out there. some rain around. particularly the north and west of scotland this morning. spots of drizzle further south, the pennines, for example. the rain in the north tending to ease away. sticking across orkney and shetland for a good part of the day. cloud may not breaking up. temperatures out there between about 12 to 23 degrees. just feeling a touch cooler than that where you are exposed to the breeze. lots of long spells of sunshine across england and wales. this evening and tonight we tend to see clear skies and lighter winds. still a bit more cloud drifting in the far north—west of scotland. the odd spot of rain. temperatures between six to 10 degrees. certainly frost free. we could see some mist and fog patches first thing on saturday. the week on

whether dominated by high pressure not far away. what we have got a bit of a breakdown of thunderstorms that are going to be rolling their way in during saturday night and on into sunday. but actually, much of saturday looking dry, fine and settled, less of a breeze compared to today. more anyway a blue sky for scotland and for northern ireland. a touch warmer here. 14 to 18 degrees in the north, further south we are looking at the high teens, possibly the low 20s. 23 degrees possibly in the low 20s. 23 degrees possibly in the south—east. watch out for some heavy showers and thunderstorms from the south during saturday night. thank you. 20 minutes past seven. earlier this week on breakfast we brought you the story of 86—year—old lilian thorpe, who recently found the grave of her new—born son — 60 years after his death. back then, babies who were still born were taken away and buried by the hospital, so she never had a chance to cuddle her son, or say goodbye. the impact on bereaved parents has had a lasting,

damaging legacy — as detailed by charlie haynes in a report you may find upsetting. i know they did ask my husband if... do you want us to take care of things? but he didn't know. sad. julie ave things? but he didn't know. sad. julie gave birth — things? but he didn't know. sad. julie gave birth in _ things? but he didn't know. sad. julie gave birth in 1979, - things? but he didn't know. sad. julie gave birth in 1979, but her baby was stillborn. he had died in the womb. the experience she had thenis the womb. the experience she had then is still with her today. she sort of then is still with her today. ’sie: sort of wrapped then is still with her today. 5ie: sort of wrapped it up, brought him here and then straightaway. i sort of got a glimpse but that was it. then they took him away. and then, i just thought that they had thrown him away then. i was taken on the ward where everybody has got their babies. they did find a side room for me. i could still hear other

babies. ., �* for me. i could still hear other babies. ,, �* ., . ., . babies. she didn't have the chance to hold him. _ babies. she didn't have the chance to hold him, barely— babies. she didn't have the chance to hold him, barely even _ babies. she didn't have the chance to hold him, barely even look- babies. she didn't have the chance to hold him, barely even look at i babies. she didn't have the chance l to hold him, barely even look at her baby boy. for years, she didn't know what had happened to his body. 18 years before, lillian thorpe had at the same experience. —— 80 years before. neverable the same experience. —— 80 years before. never able to hold her baby in her arms. before. never able to hold her baby in her arms-— in her arms. they said it was a boy and i in her arms. they said it was a boy and i couldn't— in her arms. they said it was a boy and i couldn't see _ in her arms. they said it was a boy and i couldn't see it _ in her arms. they said it was a boy and i couldn't see it because i in her arms. they said it was a boy and i couldn't see it because he i in her arms. they said it was a boy l and i couldn't see it because he had been _ and i couldn't see it because he had been dead _ and i couldn't see it because he had been dead two days. when i came around _ been dead two days. when i came around they were all feeding their babies _ around they were all feeding their babies. that is what affected me a lot. ., , . ., , babies. that is what affected me a lot. ., , .., , ., babies. that is what affected me a lot. ., , , ., ., ., lot. for six decades, lillian had no idea where — lot. for six decades, lillian had no idea where her— lot. for six decades, lillian had no idea where her baby _ lot. for six decades, lillian had no idea where her baby was _ lot. for six decades, lillian had no idea where her baby was buried, i lot. for six decades, lillian had no i idea where her baby was buried, but now, there are efforts to help those mums who had a stillborn baby, find the long lost graves of their children. .. ., ., , the long lost graves of their children. ., ., , ., , children. each grave has a number. look at the — children. each grave has a number. look at the headstones, _ children. each grave has a number. look at the headstones, they've i children. each grave has a number. | look at the headstones, they've got numbers— look at the headstones, they've got numbers on— look at the headstones, they've got numbers on them. that says 3490. your— numbers on them. that says 3490. your baby— numbers on them. that says 3490. your baby is— numbers on them. that says 3490. your baby is in 3492.

the bereavement service at lillian's local council help track down her baby's great. from the mid—19 805, parents of stillborn babies began to be asked about funeral arrangements. now, parent5 be asked about funeral arrangements. now, parents who suffer the tragedy of losing a baby are able to spend time with them after the birth. but for mums likejulie and lillian, reuniting with their babies has helped heal a decades—old wound. usually, the burial of somebody a5 usually, the burial of somebody as the final thing. it is the final thing you can actually do for that person. i wanted a great huge affair —— | person. i wanted a great huge affair —— i didn't want a great huge affair, but iju5t would have the choice. we can speak now to mike gurney from tame5ide council, who helped lilian find where her baby boy was buried, and joining us from cambridge i5 clea harmer, chief executive of the stillbirth and neonatal death charity, sands.

good morning. mike, that moment that we shared with you, i would imagine for you a real privilege to be able to be in that moment identifying... you arejust able to be in that moment identifying... you are just able to walk a marker. tell us a little bit about that moment, what it meant to lillian? this has been one of many stories. lillian _ this has been one of many stories. lillian has — this has been one of many stories. lillian has been absolutely lovely. as the _ lillian has been absolutely lovely. as the report highlighted, lillian lost her— as the report highlighted, lillian lost her baby in 1961, 60 years ago, never— lost her baby in 1961, 60 years ago, never knew— lost her baby in 1961, 60 years ago, never knew where her baby was buried — never knew where her baby was buried it — never knew where her baby was buried. it was quite simple. she contacted — buried. it was quite simple. she contacted us, where we could locate that great _ contacted us, where we could locate that great. just to hear lillian saying. — that great. just to hear lillian saying, after 60 years, mum is here, it's incredible — saying, after 60 years, mum is here, it's incredible. i don't think anybody— it's incredible. i don't think anybody could fail to be touched by that. anybody could fail to be touched by that it _ anybody could fail to be touched by that it is _ anybody could fail to be touched by that. it is important, i think, there — that. it is important, i think, there are _ that. it is important, i think, there are lots of lillians at there.

we need — there are lots of lillians at there. we need to— there are lots of lillians at there. we need to make sure that people know _ we need to make sure that people know where their babies are buried before _ know where their babies are buried before it _ know where their babies are buried before it is — know where their babies are buried before it is too late. lillian carried _ before it is too late. lillian carried a _ before it is too late. lillian carried a lot of pain for a lot of years — carried a lot of pain for a lot of years it — carried a lot of pain for a lot of years it is _ carried a lot of pain for a lot of years. it is important we can do this for— years. it is important we can do this for families.— this for families. you are a bereavement _ this for families. you are a bereavement manager. i this for families. you are a i bereavement manager. people this for families. you are a - bereavement manager. people love this for families. you are a _ bereavement manager. people love to know how things work out. as it given her some sort of...? you know better than me the terminology that is appropriate. as it enabled her to have some sort of settlement? it has. obviously, she wasn't able to hold the _ has. obviously, she wasn't able to hold the baby at the time, and not knowing _ hold the baby at the time, and not knowing where the baby is buried, that's— knowing where the baby is buried, that's really important. it is the start— that's really important. it is the start of— that's really important. it is the start of closure for people. she missed — start of closure for people. she missed out on that. i spoke to lillian — missed out on that. i spoke to lillian yesterday to see how well she did — lillian yesterday to see how well she did. she said she feels so much better— she did. she said she feels so much better now— she did. she said she feels so much better now knowing where her son was _ better now knowing where her son was this — better now knowing where her son was this is — better now knowing where her son was. this is what it is all about. making — was. this is what it is all about. making sure before it's too late of these _ making sure before it's too late of these families can deal with that pain they— these families can deal with that pain they have carried for many

years — pain they have carried for many years. that's what's important for us to— years. that's what's important for us to do— years. that's what's important for us to do that. years. that's what's important for us to do that-— years. that's what's important for us to do that. claire, you are more than aware — us to do that. claire, you are more than aware of _ us to do that. claire, you are more than aware of these _ us to do that. claire, you are more than aware of these stories. i us to do that. claire, you are more than aware of these stories. we i us to do that. claire, you are more| than aware of these stories. we are in such a different time. what was the thinking back then? not even allowing mums to see their babies. it's heartbreaking, really heartbreaking i it's heartbreaking, really heartbreaking listening i it's heartbreaking, reallyl heartbreaking listening to it's heartbreaking, really- heartbreaking listening to these stories — heartbreaking listening to these stories i— heartbreaking listening to these stories. i think— heartbreaking listening to these stories. i think the i heartbreaking listening to these stories. i think the thinking i heartbreaking listening to these stories. i think the thinking was| stories. i think the thinking was that actually. _ stories. i think the thinking was that actually, if— stories. i think the thinking was that actually, if somehow- stories. i think the thinking was that actually, if somehow you i stories. i think the thinking was i that actually, if somehow you didn't see the _ that actually, if somehow you didn't see the baby. — that actually, if somehow you didn't see the baby. or— that actually, if somehow you didn't see the baby, or it _ that actually, if somehow you didn't see the baby, or it wasn't i that actually, if somehow you didn't see the baby, or it wasn't talked i see the baby, or it wasn't talked about— see the baby, or it wasn't talked about in— see the baby, or it wasn't talked about in any— see the baby, or it wasn't talked about in any way, _ see the baby, or it wasn't talked about in any way, that i see the baby, or it wasn't talked about in any way, that he i see the baby, or it wasn't talked about in any way, that he would| about in any way, that he would forget _ about in any way, that he would forget and — about in any way, that he would forget and it _ about in any way, that he would forget and it wouldn't i about in any way, that he would forget and it wouldn't make i about in any way, that he would forget and it wouldn't make it i about in any way, that he would i forget and it wouldn't make it any worse _ forget and it wouldn't make it any worse but— forget and it wouldn't make it any worse but i— forget and it wouldn't make it any worse. but i think— forget and it wouldn't make it any worse. but i think the i forget and it wouldn't make it any worse. but i think the worst i forget and it wouldn't make it any worse. but i think the worst has. worse. but i think the worst has already— worse. but i think the worst has already happened. i worse. but i think the worst has already happened. and i worse. but i think the worst has already happened. and by- worse. but i think the worst has already happened. and by not i worse. but i think the worst has- already happened. and by not talking about _ already happened. and by not talking about it _ already happened. and by not talking about it you _ already happened. and by not talking about it you are — already happened. and by not talking about it you are actually i already happened. and by not talking about it you are actuallyjust i about it you are actuallyjust making _ about it you are actuallyjust making it _ about it you are actuallyjust making it so _ about it you are actuallyjust making it so much i about it you are actuallyjust making it so much more i about it you are actuallyjust i making it so much more painful and difficult _ making it so much more painful and difficult all— making it so much more painful and difficult. all of _ making it so much more painful and difficult. all of the _ making it so much more painful and difficult. all of the things i making it so much more painful and difficult. all of the things that i difficult. all of the things that were — difficult. all of the things that were said. _ difficult. all of the things that were said, used i difficult. all of the things that were said, used to— difficult. all of the things that were said, used to be i difficult. all of the things that were said, used to be said, i difficult. all of the things that i were said, used to be said, just have _ were said, used to be said, just have another_ were said, used to be said, just have another baby, _ were said, used to be said, just have another baby, sort - were said, used to be said, just have another baby, sort of - were said, used to be said, just have another baby, sort of a . have another baby, sort of a sticking _ have another baby, sort of a sticking plaster— have another baby, sort of a sticking plaster in _ have another baby, sort of a sticking plaster in a - have another baby, sort of a sticking plaster in a way. - have another baby, sort of a sticking plaster in a way. allj have another baby, sort of a . sticking plaster in a way. all of these — sticking plaster in a way. all of these incredibly— sticking plaster in a way. all of these incredibly painful- sticking plaster in a way. all of these incredibly painful thingsi

sticking plaster in a way. all of - these incredibly painful things that were said — these incredibly painful things that were said and _ these incredibly painful things that were said and the _ these incredibly painful things that were said and the way— these incredibly painful things that were said and the way that - these incredibly painful things that were said and the way that people | were said and the way that people behaved — were said and the way that people behaved. really, _ were said and the way that people behaved. really, really— were said and the way that people behaved. really, really sad. - were said and the way that people behaved. really, really sad. fiflerj behaved. really, really sad. after we ran that _ behaved. really, really sad. after we ran that piece, _ behaved. really, really sad. after we ran that piece, that _ behaved. really, really sad. we ran that piece, that report on lillian�*s experience, we had so many people get in touch with the programme. and you also had calls, didn't you? in some ways, very heartbreaking because people wanted to trace their stillborn babies, and probably hadn't even spoken about it for years, probably hadn't even spoken about it foryears, may probably hadn't even spoken about it for years, may not even been known to their families. for years, may not even been known to theirfamilies. it for years, may not even been known to their families. it is quite heartbreaking because that is not what you can do at this moment in time? absolutely. i think it's really important that - really important that people who have been— really important that people who have been bereaved _ really important that people who have been bereaved a _ really important that people who have been bereaved a long - really important that people who have been bereaved a long time| really important that people who - have been bereaved a long time ago do now— have been bereaved a long time ago do now that — have been bereaved a long time ago do now that they— have been bereaved a long time ago do now that they are _ have been bereaved a long time ago do now that they are not _ have been bereaved a long time ago do now that they are not alone - have been bereaved a long time ago do now that they are not alone and i do now that they are not alone and that they— do now that they are not alone and that they can — do now that they are not alone and that they can talk. _ do now that they are not alone and that they can talk. as _ do now that they are not alone and that they can talk. as you - do now that they are not alone and that they can talk. as you say, - do now that they are not alone and that they can talk. as you say, wei that they can talk. as you say, we have _ that they can talk. as you say, we have tteen— that they can talk. as you say, we have been overwhelmed - that they can talk. as you say, we have been overwhelmed by- that they can talk. as you say, wei have been overwhelmed by people getting _ have been overwhelmed by people getting in— have been overwhelmed by people getting in touch _ have been overwhelmed by people getting in touch. and _ have been overwhelmed by people getting in touch. and i— have been overwhelmed by people getting in touch. and i think- have been overwhelmed by people getting in touch. and i think for. getting in touch. and i think for those _ getting in touch. and i think for those who— getting in touch. and i think for those who want _ getting in touch. and i think for those who want to _ getting in touch. and i think for those who want to find - getting in touch. and i think for those who want to find the - getting in touch. and i think for. those who want to find the grave getting in touch. and i think for- those who want to find the grave of their baby. — those who want to find the grave of their baby, want— those who want to find the grave of their baby, want to— those who want to find the grave of their baby, want to connect - those who want to find the grave of their baby, want to connect with i their baby, want to connect with their— their baby, want to connect with their baby— their baby, want to connect with their baby again _ their baby, want to connect with their baby again in _ their baby, want to connect with their baby again in that - their baby, want to connect with their baby again in that way, - their baby, want to connect with . their baby again in that way, really important — their baby again in that way, really important to — their baby again in that way, really important to get _ their baby again in that way, really important to get in— their baby again in that way, really

important to get in touch - their baby again in that way, really important to get in touch with - their baby again in that way, really important to get in touch with the| important to get in touch with the hospitat— important to get in touch with the hospitat where _ important to get in touch with the hospital where your— important to get in touch with the hospital where your baby- important to get in touch with the hospital where your baby was - important to get in touch with the i hospital where your baby was born. if hospital where your baby was born. if you _ hospital where your baby was born. if you know — hospital where your baby was born. if you know that, _ hospital where your baby was born. if you know that, it _ hospital where your baby was born. if you know that, it will— hospital where your baby was born. if you know that, it will help - hospital where your baby was born. if you know that, it will help you i if you know that, it will help you find the — if you know that, it will help you find the right— if you know that, it will help you find the right cemetery- if you know that, it will help you find the right cemetery or- find the right cemetery or crematorium, _ find the right cemetery or crematorium, and - find the right cemetery or crematorium, and begin. find the right cemetery or. crematorium, and begin the find the right cemetery or- crematorium, and begin the search like that _ crematorium, and begin the search like that but — crematorium, and begin the search like that. but the _ crematorium, and begin the search like that. but the sands _ crematorium, and begin the search like that. but the sands helpline i like that. but the sands helpline has been — like that. but the sands helpline has been overwhelmed - like that. but the sands helpline has been overwhelmed with - like that. but the sands helpline i has been overwhelmed with people wanting _ has been overwhelmed with people wanting to — has been overwhelmed with people wanting to talk _ has been overwhelmed with people wanting to talk about _ has been overwhelmed with people wanting to talk about their - has been overwhelmed with people wanting to talk about their baby. i wanting to talk about their baby. that is— wanting to talk about their baby. that is right _ wanting to talk about their baby. that is right and _ wanting to talk about their baby. that is right and that _ wanting to talk about their baby. that is right and that is- wanting to talk about their baby. that is right and that is good - wanting to talk about their baby. j that is right and that is good and that is— that is right and that is good and that is what— that is right and that is good and that is what we _ that is right and that is good and that is what we are _ that is right and that is good and that is what we are here - that is right and that is good and that is what we are here for, - that is what we are here for, because _ that is what we are here for, because nobody— that is what we are here for, because nobody should - that is what we are here for, because nobody should have that is what we are here for, i because nobody should have to that is what we are here for, - because nobody should have to do thisiourney— because nobody should have to do this journey on _ because nobody should have to do thisjourney on their— because nobody should have to do this journey on their own. - because nobody should have to do this journey on their own. it - because nobody should have to do this journey on their own. it is - because nobody should have to do this journey on their own. it is a l this journey on their own. it is a lifelong — this journey on their own. it is a lifelong journey~ _ this journey on their own. it is a lifelong journey. when- this journey on their own. it is a lifelong journey. when your - this journey on their own. it is a l lifelong journey. when your baby dies, _ lifelong journey. when your baby dies, it— lifelong journey. when your baby dies, it is— lifelong journey. when your baby dies, it is not— lifelong journey. when your baby dies, it is not a _ lifelong journey. when your baby dies, it is not a one—off- lifelong journey. when your baby dies, it is not a one—off event, . lifelong journey. when your baby dies, it is not a one—off event, it| dies, it is not a one—off event, it isa— dies, it is not a one—off event, it is a different— dies, it is not a one—off event, it is a differentjourney_ dies, it is not a one—off event, it is a different journey you - dies, it is not a one—off event, it is a different journey you are - dies, it is not a one—off event, it is a different journey you are on| is a different journey you are on for the — is a different journey you are on for the rest _ is a different journey you are on for the rest of _ is a different journey you are on for the rest of your— is a different journey you are on for the rest of your life. - is a different journey you are on for the rest of your life.- is a different journey you are on for the rest of your life. mike, do ou want for the rest of your life. mike, do you want to _ for the rest of your life. mike, do you want to pick _ for the rest of your life. mike, do you want to pick up _ for the rest of your life. mike, do you want to pick up on _ for the rest of your life. mike, do you want to pick up on that? - for the rest of your life. mike, do j you want to pick up on that? lots for the rest of your life. mike, do i you want to pick up on that? lots of people calling the charity, that is not the place to help them find their children.— not the place to help them find their children. yeah, the last few da s we their children. yeah, the last few days we have _ their children. yeah, the last few days we have been _ their children. yeah, the last few days we have been inundated. it| their children. yeah, the last few . days we have been inundated. it has been incredible, the response. it shows— been incredible, the response. it shows us— been incredible, the response. it shows us a — been incredible, the response. it shows us a need for this to happen. if shows us a need for this to happen. if everybody — shows us a need for this to happen. if everybody —— anybody is wanting to contact — if everybody —— anybody is wanting to contact us, give us the surname of the _ to contact us, give us the surname of the mother, the year and we will

do our— of the mother, the year and we will do our best — of the mother, the year and we will do our best. we were so pleased yesterday. — do our best. we were so pleased yesterday, will mean we managed to find 15_ yesterday, will mean we managed to find 15 graves yesterday for parents _ find 15 graves yesterday for parents. 50 more lillians, if you like, _ parents. 50 more lillians, if you like, yesterday, and dads as well. it like, yesterday, and dads as well. it has _ like, yesterday, and dads as well. it has been — like, yesterday, and dads as well. it has been incredible to see the response — it has been incredible to see the response. this is what it is about. things— response. this is what it is about. things have — response. this is what it is about. things have changed, thankfully. we have adopted a charter for the bereaved. it is a standard we set for cemetery and crematorium management. everybody has got the i’ili'it management. everybody has got the right now— management. everybody has got the right now to have an individual great — right now to have an individual great for— right now to have an individual great for their baby. we have got a baby garden now. things have moved on, baby garden now. things have moved on. as— baby garden now. things have moved on. as are _ baby garden now. things have moved on. as are my— baby garden now. things have moved on, as are my colleagues at sands have _ on, as are my colleagues at sands have said — on, as are my colleagues at sands have said. and rightly so, we are still there — have said. and rightly so, we are still there to help those people who are stilt— still there to help those people who are still grieving. if: still there to help those people who are still grieving.— are still grieving. 15 and one day, that is quite _ are still grieving. 15 and one day, that is quite extraordinary. - that is quite extraordinary. presumably when people, that first point of contact, it may well be that conversation with you or one of your team, when they first call for help, that may be the first time they have mentioned anything about this to anyone two you are

absolutely right. it this to anyone two you are absolutely right.— this to anyone two you are absolutely right. it is. it is what is happening — absolutely right. it is. it is what is happening now. _ absolutely right. it is. it is what is happening now. there - absolutely right. it is. it is what is happening now. there are . absolutely right. it is. it is what is happening now. there are a i absolutely right. it is. it is what i is happening now. there are a lot absolutely right. it is. it is what - is happening now. there are a lot of mental— is happening now. there are a lot of mental health issues over the years that had _ mental health issues over the years that had not been addressed. it is the first— that had not been addressed. it is the first time people have been peopte — the first time people have been people are almost embarrassed to say they lost _ people are almost embarrassed to say they lost a _ people are almost embarrassed to say they lost a baby years ago. when they lost a baby years ago. when they find — they lost a baby years ago. when they find it, the tears, you saw littian's — they find it, the tears, you saw lillian's reaction. it is very important. we have a responsibility for those _ important. we have a responsibility for those still grieving what happened years ago. this is not a criticism — happened years ago. this is not a criticism of— happened years ago. this is not a criticism of what happened years ago _ criticism of what happened years ago it— criticism of what happened years ago it is— criticism of what happened years ago. it is how it was. we have to do with it _ ago. it is how it was. we have to do with it now — ago. it is how it was. we have to do with it now— with it now. clearly the work you and our tea m team do is remarkable. lovely to see her. ~ ~ . ~ team do is remarkable. lovely to see her. ~ ~' . ,, team do is remarkable. lovely to see her. ~ ~ . ~' . team do is remarkable. lovely to see her. ~ ~' . ,, ~ . ,, her. mike, thank you. and thank you as well, claire. _ time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are.

good morning from bbc london — i'm paul murphy—kasp. earlier this week we brought you the story of scam artists who ran bogus meet—and—greet car services around airports. well, one such rogue trader working around gatwick has been handed a suspended sentence and ordered to pay compensation following an investigation by trading standards. muhammed muneeb amjad was the director of park direct gatwick limited, which misled holidaymakers to believe their cars were parked securely. instead, inspectors found between 200 and 300 cars parked closely together in a field, many of them unlocked. when we do get instances of this, we take it very seriously. the detriment is significant. consumers are being significantly misled. and we'll take action through the courts, if necessary. average rents in london have risen by 14% a year — averaging around £2,000 a month.

there are also more than triple the number of tenants inquiring as there are rental properties available, according to rightmove. the royal institution of chartered surveyors said that over half of estate agents expect rents to rise in the next three months, the highest proportion since its records started in 1999. plans for a major upgrade ofjunction 10 of the m25 have been approved by the transport secretary. it involves widening the motorway and the adjoining a3 around the junction. the area currently has one of the highest recorded collision rates across england's main roads. well, if you're heading out on public transport this morning this is how tfl services are looking right now... the london underground is all looking pretty good apart from that ongoing part closure of the bank branch on the northern line. that is scheduled to reopen monday morning.

and for all the latest travel news where you are, tune into your bbc local radio station for regular updates throughout the morning. onto the weather now with elizabeth. hello, good morning. with high—pressure dominating, there's lots of dry weather to talk about across the capital over the next couple of days or so. plenty of sunshine too, and it will start to feel warmer but it may not be a completely dry weekend. we are expecting some heavy, possibly thundery, downpours to move northwards on saturday night into sunday. for today, though, it is looking dry. it's locally been quite a chilly start to the morning, but of course sunrise was at 5.15 earlier on, so it's been up for a while now. lots of sunshine around throughout the morning. some fairweather cloud developing as we head through the afternoon. and we stop at a fairly brisk and noticeable westerly wind blowing. temperatures will be higher than they were yesterday, peaking at around 20 to maybe as high as 22 celsius. through this evening and overnight again it's looking dry. lots of long clear spells around and temperatures dropping back into high single figures for most into saturday morning. a lot more sunshine around on saturday, and again it's looking dry during the daylight hours. temperatures could be slightly higher too, but as we head through saturday night watch out for those

showers moving northwards. they'll still be around possibly throughout the day on sunday, which is looking a bit cooler with more of an easterly wind. that's it from me for now — i'm back with more from the newsroom in an hour. there's of course plenty more on our website at the usual address — bbc.co.uk/london. now it's back to naga and charlie. bye for now. hello, welcome back. this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. good morning. it is 7.311. joining us now from westminster is jacob rees—mogg, the minister of state for brexit opportunities and government efficiency. good morning. thank you forjoining us this morning. lots of territory to cover this morning, as you can imagine. more than 100 fines issued for breaches of covid rules within downing street. labour has called it

industrial scale rule breaking and it has been said that downing street is the most find building in the uk. does that reflect well on this conservative government, in your opinion? conservative government, in your oinion? ., . . opinion? good morning and thanks so much for having _ opinion? good morning and thanks so much for having me _ opinion? good morning and thanks so much for having me on _ opinion? good morning and thanks so much for having me on your— much for having me on your programme. the labour party have said something about this, have --? quite brave — said something about this, have --? quite brave of— said something about this, have --? quite brave of them _ said something about this, have "’s�*i quite brave of them given they are under investigation themselves. i under investigation themselves. i don't think it is the issue of the moment— don't think it is the issue of the moment but i am happy to talk about it. moment but i am happy to talk about it so _ moment but i am happy to talk about it so many— moment but i am happy to talk about it. so many crucial things going on _ it. so many crucial things going on... �* ., , it. so many crucial things going on... ., , ., , it. so many crucial things going on... ., ,., , on... apologies to interrupt, jacob rees-m099. _ on... apologies to interrupt, jacob rees-m099. but — on... apologies to interrupt, jacob rees-m099. but i _ on... apologies to interrupt, jacob rees-mogg, but i did _ on... apologies to interrupt, jacob rees-mogg, but i did say - on... apologies to interrupt, jacob rees-mogg, but i did say we - on... apologies to interrupt, jacob rees-mogg, but i did say we will i rees—mogg, but i did say we will cover lots of territory through this interview, so let us start here. do these more than 100 fines reflect well on this conservative government?— well on this conservative government? . . ~ , government? i'm afraid i think this is a nonstory- _ government? i'm afraid i think this is a nonstory. the _ government? i'm afraid i think this is a nonstory. the bbc— government? i'm afraid i think this is a nonstory. the bbc has - is a nonstory. the bbc has absolutely loved it but it is important we get on with the business _ important we get on with the business of government. i�*m important we get on with the business of government. i'm sorry, wh do business of government. i'm sorry, why do you — business of government. i'm sorry, why do you think— business of government. i'm sorry, why do you think this _ business of government. i'm sorry, why do you think this is _ business of government. i'm sorry, why do you think this is a _ why do you think this is a non—story? have you not heard people

genuinely upset, devastated, that people in downing street thought it was ok to break the rules they set while other people didn't break the rules and missed out on meeting dying family members? i rules and missed out on meeting dying family members?- rules and missed out on meeting dying family members? i think people were uset dying family members? i think people were upset and _ dying family members? i think people were upset and it _ dying family members? i think people were upset and it was _ dying family members? i think people were upset and it was an _ dying family members? i think people were upset and it was an important i were upset and it was an important story— were upset and it was an important story in— were upset and it was an important story in february when it first became — story in february when it first became known, and there was great concern, _ became known, and there was great concern, and — became known, and there was great concern, and there was a feeling of people _ concern, and there was a feeling of peopte who — concern, and there was a feeling of people who were bereaved particularly about it. i also think we need — particularly about it. i also think we need to— particularly about it. i also think we need to look in the inquiry at the rules— we need to look in the inquiry at the rules to see whether they were proportionate. i met a couple yesterday in stoke—on—trent who help people _ yesterday in stoke—on—trent who help people with _ yesterday in stoke—on—trent who help people with baby loss and they were saying _ people with baby loss and they were saying to _ people with baby loss and they were saying to me how cruel it was that fathers _ saying to me how cruel it was that fathers were not able to be present at the _ fathers were not able to be present at the birth of their children, particularly obviously if it was a stittbirth — particularly obviously if it was a stillbirth. we need to look at that, we need _ stillbirth. we need to look at that, we need to— stillbirth. we need to look at that, we need to look at whether these rules— we need to look at whether these rules were — we need to look at whether these rules were right in the first place in case _ rules were right in the first place in case we — rules were right in the first place in case we ever have a pandemic again. _ in case we ever have a pandemic again, because i think they were too restrictive, — again, because i think they were too restrictive, i— again, because i think they were too restrictive, i think not allowing people — restrictive, i think not allowing people to _ restrictive, i think not allowing people to provide succour and

comfort — people to provide succour and comfort to the dying was a mistake. it comfort to the dying was a mistake. it was _ comfort to the dying was a mistake. it was a _ comfort to the dying was a mistake. it was a mistake made for good reason — it was a mistake made for good reason because we were very worried about— reason because we were very worried about the _ reason because we were very worried about the pandemic at the time, but we do _ about the pandemic at the time, but we do need — about the pandemic at the time, but we do need to look at that. we should — we do need to look at that. we should never do that to people again~ — should never do that to people aaain. . . should never do that to people aaain. . , , . should never do that to people auain. ., , , ., again. can ijust understand your interpretation _ again. can ijust understand your interpretation of _ again. can ijust understand your interpretation of where - again. can ijust understand your interpretation of where we - again. can ijust understand your interpretation of where we are i again. can ijust understand your i interpretation of where we are with the rules and why you think this is a nonstory? so the fact that more than 100 fines have been issued as a nonstory because the rules that were set in the first place were too rigorous? orthey set in the first place were too rigorous? or they were too strict? no, i am saying the fines are a consequence of things we knew in february— consequence of things we knew in february and it was a story in february— february and it was a story in february and it was a story in february and people now know about it and _ february and people now know about it and have _ february and people now know about it and have made theirjudgment on it and have made theirjudgment on it and _ it and have made theirjudgment on it and there — it and have made theirjudgment on it and there are other things going on that— it and there are other things going on that are — it and there are other things going on that are more important. like but you believe _ on that are more important. like but you believe that the rules that were set around — you believe that the rules that were set around the pandemic were too strict _ set around the pandemic were too stri - . set around the pandemic were too stri i ., , ., set around the pandemic were too stri - . , ., ., strict and the government got it wron: on strict and the government got it wrong on that? _ strict and the government got it wrong on that? -- _ strict and the government got it wrong on that? -- yes, - strict and the government got it wrong on that? -- yes, but - strict and the government got it wrong on that? -- yes, but you| wrong on that? —— yes, but you believe. as wrong on that? -- yes, but you believe. . . . wrong on that? -- yes, but you believe. . , , . believe. as it is important the inuui believe. as it is important the inquiry looks _ believe. as it is important the inquiry looks into _ believe. as it is important the inquiry looks into this - believe. as it is important the inquiry looks into this to - believe. as it is important the inquiry looks into this to see i believe. as it is important the l inquiry looks into this to see in hindsight — inquiry looks into this to see in hindsight whether they were too strict _ hindsight whether they were too strict and — hindsight whether they were too strict and i think that is an important part of this and actually ithink— important part of this and actually i think that will be of greater comfort— i think that will be of greater comfort to people in future if this

were _ comfort to people in future if this were ever— comfort to people in future if this were ever to happen again. northern ireland, something _ were ever to happen again. northern ireland, something we _ were ever to happen again. northern ireland, something we need - were ever to happen again. northern ireland, something we need to - ireland, something we need to discuss of course. the assembly meeting today for the first time since the elections. are you concerned, or how concerned are you about its ability to function because of these arguments over the northern ireland protocol border agreement signed between the eu and the uk? sigh i understand sir jeffrey donaldson has said he will not participate in the election of the speaker of the stormont assembly —— welcome understand. therefore, that simply— —— welcome understand. therefore, that simply will not be able to function _ that simply will not be able to function. i think the unionists are understandably concerned about the way the _ understandably concerned about the way the northern ireland protocol has been — way the northern ireland protocol has been working and we should be as well because the treaty itself provides for its revision and that has not — provides for its revision and that has not been successfully concluded and it _ has not been successfully concluded and it needs to be. it needs to be revised _ and it needs to be. it needs to be revised because it was always agreed that northern ireland remained a fundamental part of the united kingdom and within our customs territory— kingdom and within our customs territory and regulatory space. when territory and regulatory space. when the northern — territory and regulatory space. when the northern ireland _ territory and regulatory space. i�*ga'iefi the northern ireland protocol was agreed, does that mean it was wrong

to agree that because it is now not working? to agree that because it is now not workin: ? ., ., , �* .,, . working? no, it doesn't. those are not natural — working? no, it doesn't. those are not natural consequences. - working? no, it doesn't. those are not natural consequences. as - working? no, it doesn't. those are not natural consequences. as i - working? no, it doesn't. those are| not natural consequences. as i say, the treaty— not natural consequences. as i say, the treaty provided for its own updating — the treaty provided for its own updating and there was also an implementation period to allow for further— implementation period to allow for further discussions on it. what has gone _ further discussions on it. what has gone wrong — further discussions on it. what has gone wrong is that the updating hasn't _ gone wrong is that the updating hasn't taken place i think in good faith from — hasn't taken place i think in good faith from the eu side who have simply— faith from the eu side who have simply wanted to apply their rules to the _ simply wanted to apply their rules to the uk — simply wanted to apply their rules to the uk. 50 simply wanted to apply their rules to the uk. . , ,., ., to the uk. so what is the solution to the uk. so what is the solution to this deadlock? _ to the uk. so what is the solution to this deadlock? well, _ to the uk. so what is the solution to this deadlock? well, the - to the uk. so what is the solution i to this deadlock? well, the solution is that we ensure _ to this deadlock? well, the solution is that we ensure that _ to this deadlock? well, the solution is that we ensure that northern - is that we ensure that northern ireland — is that we ensure that northern ireland remains a fundamental part of the _ ireland remains a fundamental part of the united kingdom and is free to trade _ of the united kingdom and is free to trade with— of the united kingdom and is free to trade with us. the only issue is the risk of— trade with us. the only issue is the risk of going — trade with us. the only issue is the risk of going on to the republic of ireland, _ risk of going on to the republic of ireland, which is a very small percentage, of goods that go into northern— percentage, of goods that go into northern ireland. i'd like that was always— northern ireland. i'd like that was always the — northern ireland. i'd like that was always the end, wasn't it? act that was always— always the end, wasn't it? act that was always the in —— but that was like my— was always the in —— but that was like my always the aim, wasn't it? the deal— like my always the aim, wasn't it? the deal was done saying the aim had

been met _ the deal was done saying the aim had been met i_ the deal was done saying the aim had been met. i said there were provisions of the treaty to make it work— provisions of the treaty to make it work better and that is the bit that hasn't _ work better and that is the bit that hasn't worked.— hasn't worked. let's talk about civil servants _ hasn't worked. let's talk about civil servants and _ hasn't worked. let's talk about civil servants and this - hasn't worked. let's talk about civil servants and this plan, - hasn't worked. let's talk about civil servants and this plan, wej civil servants and this plan, we understand the government wants to reduce civil servants by as much as 90,000 people, around one in five civil servants, we understand. why now? it civil servants, we understand. why now? . , ., civil servants, we understand. why now? , , ., ., now? it is trying to get back to the level we were _ now? it is trying to get back to the level we were out _ now? it is trying to get back to the level we were out at _ now? it is trying to get back to the level we were out at 2016, - now? it is trying to get back to the i level we were out at 2016, obviously before _ level we were out at 2016, obviously before brexit and before covid which did lead _ before brexit and before covid which did lead to _ before brexit and before covid which did lead to some increase in the civil service. why now? well, you always— civil service. why now? well, you always spend taxpayer money as efficiently as possible. governments have no— efficiently as possible. governments have no money of their own, it is only— have no money of their own, it is only money— have no money of their own, it is only money taken from hard—working taxpayers _ only money taken from hard—working taxpayers who provide the funds that the state _ taxpayers who provide the funds that the state spends. but during an issue _ the state spends. but during an issue with — the state spends. but during an issue with the cost of living with inflation — issue with the cost of living with inflation you need to have control of budgets and you need to ensure that things are run as efficiently and effectively as possible, so it fits in _ and effectively as possible, so it fits in with — and effectively as possible, so it fits in with the overall economic circumstance.— fits in with the overall economic circumstance. ~ �* . ., circumstance. mm. but at the moment there are departments _ circumstance. mm. but at the moment

there are departments which _ circumstance. mm. but at the moment there are departments which have - there are departments which have huge backlogs and a significant workload. the department for work and pensions, obviously, tackling the cost of living crisis. the ministry ofjustice, there are of course backlogs. the passport delays as well. if you reduce 20% of the civil servants, will these backlogs just get longer? fline civil servants, will these backlogs just get longer?— just get longer? one of the great successes of _ just get longer? one of the great successes of the _ just get longer? one of the great successes of the department - just get longer? one of the great successes of the department for| just get longer? one of the great - successes of the department for work and pensions during the pandemic was the automation of the universal credit— the automation of the universal credit so— the automation of the universal credit so there is a great deal you can do— credit so there is a great deal you can do it — credit so there is a great deal you can do it speeding up processes with more _ can do it speeding up processes with more automation. the passport office and the _ more automation. the passport office and the dvla have had particular problems — and the dvla have had particular problems. bear in mind the dvla had a strike, _ problems. bear in mind the dvla had a strike, which didn't help and exacerbated the problem considerably. but this is about making — considerably. but this is about making the civil service more efficient _ making the civil service more efficient and focusing resources where _ efficient and focusing resources where they need to be. it will be about— where they need to be. it will be about better learning and development offered to civil servants so they will be able to move _ servants so they will be able to move within the civil service more effectively — move within the civil service more effectively with the skills that they need, but technology is going

to be _ they need, but technology is going to be an _ they need, but technology is going to be an important part of making the provision of services to the general— the provision of services to the general public more efficient. court cases can't be _ general public more efficient. court cases can't be done _ general public more efficient. court cases can't be done by _ general public more efficient. (11m. at cases can't be done by computers, though, can they? cases can't be done by computers, though. can they?— cases can't be done by computers, though, can they? know, but they can use technology _ though, can they? know, but they can use technology more _ though, can they? know, but they can use technology more efficiently. - use technology more efficiently. when _ use technology more efficiently. when i — use technology more efficiently. when i did jury service which was i suppose _ when i did jury service which was i suppose about 20 years ago, and i shouldn't— suppose about 20 years ago, and i shouldn't really criticise because this is— shouldn't really criticise because this is how i operate a bit myself, it was— this is how i operate a bit myself, it was still— this is how i operate a bit myself, it was still very much pens and paper~ — it was still very much pens and paper. but _ it was still very much pens and paper. but automation can and does take place _ paper. but automation can and does take place within court cases. you are the minister— take place within court cases. gm. are the minister for government efficiency. how many are in your department and how many will be cut? the cabinet office various bits that work for other departments == work for other departments -- cabinet work for other departments —— cabinet office contains various bits~ _ cabinet office contains various bits~ we — cabinet office contains various bits. we are working at returning to our target _ bits. we are working at returning to ourtarget number in bits. we are working at returning to our target number in one year rather than in— our target number in one year rather than in three — our target number in one year rather than in three years. we have already had unemployment freeze for the last six months _ had unemployment freeze for the last six months or so, and that has helped — six months or so, and that has helped reduce the numbers to begin

with but— helped reduce the numbers to begin with but we will go further. is helped reduce the numbers to begin with but we will go further.- with but we will go further. is your department _ with but we will go further. is your department safe _ with but we will go further. is your department safe or— with but we will go further. is your department safe or not? _ with but we will go further. is your department safe or not? at - with but we will go further. is your department safe or not? at all- department safe or not? at all departments _ department safe or not? at all departments are _ department safe or not? at all departments are safe. - department safe or not? at all departments are safe. they i department safe or not? at all departments are safe. they remind each secretary of state will have to make _ each secretary of state will have to make a _ each secretary of state will have to make a decision for his or her department and that is an important part of— department and that is an important part of this — department and that is an important part of this. it is not a top—down approach — part of this. it is not a top—down approach it— part of this. it is not a top—down approach. it will be decided by each secretary— approach. it will be decided by each secretary of state and indeed arm's—length bodies because we would expect— arm's—length bodies because we would expect quangos to be part of this as well _ expect quangos to be part of this as well but— expect quangos to be part of this as well. but there is duplication and well. but there is duplication and we have — well. but there is duplication and we have discovered within the cabinet — we have discovered within the cabinet office that you have roles that are _ cabinet office that you have roles that are a — cabinet office that you have roles that are a central facility, whether accounting, hr, communications, then you have _ accounting, hr, communications, then you have them within individual departments as well. will you have them within individual departments as well.— departments as well. will it be natural attrition _ departments as well. will it be natural attrition or _ departments as well. will it be l natural attrition or redundancy? departments as well. will it be - natural attrition or redundancy? the averaue natural attrition or redundancy? the average departure is up to 38,000 per annum — average departure is up to 38,000 per annum so average departure is up to 38,000 perannum so if average departure is up to 38,000 per annum so if you look at it on that— per annum so if you look at it on that basis— per annum so if you look at it on that basis it _ per annum so if you look at it on that basis it isjust over two years of natural— that basis it isjust over two years of natural departures, so the hope will very— of natural departures, so the hope will very much be that would be the basis _ will very much be that would be the basis for— will very much be that would be the basis for it — will very much be that would be the basis for it— basis for it. what will the savings be sent basis for it. what will the savings be spent on? _ basis for it. what will the savings be spent on? will _ basis for it. what will the savings be spent on? will they _ basis for it. what will the savings

be spent on? will they go - basis for it. what will the savings | be spent on? will they go towards tax cuts, for example? act be spent on? will they go towards tax cuts, for example?— be spent on? will they go towards tax cuts, for example? act you will have to get — tax cuts, for example? act you will have to get the _ tax cuts, for example? act you will have to get the chance _ tax cuts, for example? act you will have to get the chance to - tax cuts, for example? act you will have to get the chance to ask... i tax cuts, for example? act you will i have to get the chance to ask... you ro osed have to get the chance to ask... you proposed it. — have to get the chance to ask... you proposed it. he _ have to get the chance to ask... gm. proposed it, he will be delighted, if there is money coming in? at my 'ob is to if there is money coming in? at my job is to find _ if there is money coming in? at my job is to find the _ if there is money coming in? at my job is to find the savings _ if there is money coming in? at my job is to find the savings and - if there is money coming in? at my job is to find the savings and it - if there is money coming in? at my job is to find the savings and it is i job is to find the savings and it is ”p job is to find the savings and it is up to— job is to find the savings and it is up to the — job is to find the savings and it is up to the chancellor.— job is to find the savings and it is up to the chancellor. where you told wh ou up to the chancellor. where you told why you need _ up to the chancellor. where you told why you need to _ up to the chancellor. where you told why you need to find _ up to the chancellor. where you told why you need to find a _ up to the chancellor. where you told why you need to find a savings? - up to the chancellor. where you told why you need to find a savings? i i why you need to find a savings? i believe in taxpayer money being spent _ believe in taxpayer money being spent efficiently, don't you? of spent efficiently, don't you? course, but spent efficiently, don't you? of course, but up until today i wasn't aware civil servant jobs, course, but up until today i wasn't aware civil servantjobs, one in five, were going to be cut in order to pay for that. five, were going to be cut in order to pay for that-— to pay for that. that's brilliant. we have agreement. _ to pay for that. that's brilliant. we have agreement. i- to pay for that. that's brilliant. we have agreement. i would i to pay for that. that's brilliant. i we have agreement. i would like lower taxes _ we have agreement. i would like lower taxes as _ we have agreement. i would like lower taxes as well _ we have agreement. i would like lower taxes as well and - we have agreement. i would like lower taxes as well and i - we have agreement. i would like| lower taxes as well and i imagine lots of people would. do you agree with that? act lots of people would. do you agree with that? ., . ., ., lots of people would. do you agree with that? w ., ., , , with that? act we want to spend taxa er with that? act we want to spend taxpayer money _ with that? act we want to spend taxpayer money as _ with that? act we want to spend taxpayer money as efficiently i with that? act we want to spend taxpayer money as efficiently as with that? act we want to spend . taxpayer money as efficiently as we possibly _ taxpayer money as efficiently as we possibly can, a fundamental duty of government. you ask me why i am doing _ government. you ask me why i am doing this — government. you ask me why i am doing this and i say it is because it is a _ doing this and i say it is because it is a fundamental duty of government. there is no money other than that_ government. there is no money other than that that comes from hard working — than that that comes from hard working taxpayers and the burden on them _ working taxpayers and the burden on them should be as light as possible. jacob _ them should be as light as possible. jacob rees—mogg, thank you very much for your time with us this morning,

ministerfor brexit for your time with us this morning, minister for brexit opportunities and government efficiency. it is just coming to 7.45. that means sport time and might have some news for us. this picture tells a story, happy, happy. tells a story, happy, happy, happy? yes, the spurs team celebrating a famous win for them. if you are an arsenal or spurs fan and miss out on the top four, what would make it so much worse, if your bitter north london rivals got it instead. that is what this is about, so much at stake indeed. what a night it was for tottenham fans. with their hopes of finising in the top four hanging by a thread, they knew they needed to beat arsenal at the tottenham hotspur stadium. and they did it in syle by beating the gunners 3—0 in the north london derby, to throw the race for the top four wide open. austin halewood watched the action.

a derby demolition. the north of london tinged in white after spurs fans enjoyed one of their most memorable nights so far inside their new stadium. at kick—off, the dream of finishing in the top four was still alive for both sides. arsenal knew a win would guarantee their spot in the champions league next season. and with so much at stake, mikel arteta said it was his biggest game as arsenal boss. but quickly it all went horribly wrong, cedric taking out son heung—min in the box — penalty! and with harry kane stepping up to take it, you know what happens next. so a goal behind, away from home — a moment for arsenal to stay calm. instead, they lost their heads. two yellows for rob holding — the gunners down to ten. and kane doesn't need much more of an invitation to take advantage. the england captain doubling spurs' lead at the break. so the only thing that could save arsenal was a huge second half. the key to that is starting well. it didn't happen. kane the architecht again,

and this time his partner in crime son was on hand to finish it off. game over, just seconds into the second half. i cannot give you an honest assessment because i would be suspended for a long time. i really, really worry about today. what suspended for a long time. i really, really worry about today.— really worry about today. what is it that makes — really worry about today. what is it that makes you _ really worry about today. what is it that makes you worry? _ really worry about today. what is it that makes you worry? it _ really worry about today. what is it that makes you worry? it doesn't l that makes you worry? it doesn't worry me. _ that makes you worry? it doesn't worry me. the — that makes you worry? it doesn't worry me, the performance - that makes you worry? it doesn't worry me, the performance of i that makes you worry? it doesn't| worry me, the performance of my players. worry me, the performance of my -la ers. ~ . ., , worry me, the performance of my -la ers. ., ., worry me, the performance of my players-— that i players. what worries you? that i want to be _ players. what worries you? that i want to be where _ players. what worries you? that i want to be where we _ players. what worries you? that i want to be where we deserve - players. what worries you? that i want to be where we deserve to l players. what worries you? that i l want to be where we deserve to be. so the gap between the two is down to just one point. austin halewood, bbc news. great news for aston villa — philippe coutinho, will be staying at villa park next season. the brazilian has signed permanently from barcelona in a deal worth around £17 million. coutinho arrived on loan injanuary to link up with head coach steven gerrard, who he played with at liverpool. since then, he's scored four times and made three assists. his new contract will last until 2026. a defining moment for english

cricket — that seems to be the general reaction to the appointment of the test team's,new head coach, new zealander brendon mccullum. he's got a big job on his hands though, with england winless in nine tests. and his first test, will be against his home nation new zealand next month in a three—match series. mccullum succeeds chris silverwood, who left his position in february following that heavy ashes defeat in australia. and in rugby league, a dress rehearsalfor the challenge cup final, and huddersfield are into the top four of the super league after beating wigan 32—22. wigan were fighting back, until louis senior completed his hat—trick of tries late on to seal the win. and the two sides will meet again in the challenge cup final in just over two weeks' time. the women's rugby union world cup will be back in england in 2025. the rfu say they want the tournament to be the best attended women's world cup in history, and it will be an expanded competition with 16 nations involved. the aim is to fill twickenham's 82,000 seats for the final, having already seen

a record crowd of over 15,000 for the england—ireland six nations match at leicester this year. that's it for now. in an hour, to my fa cup finalists, fara williams who won with everton in 2010, and alan shearer who appeared in two finals for newcastle shearer who appeared in two finals for newcastl— for newcastle yelena and for the first time ever _ for newcastle yelena and for the first time ever this _ for newcastle yelena and for the first time ever this weekend - for newcastle yelena and for the first time ever this weekend that men and women's finals are on the same weekend —— for newcastle. and what about the weather? five o'clock, breakfast. very early. i don't like umbrellas so hopefully i won't need one! 0k, mike has a very specific request in relation to the weather, sarah! laughter one of the perks of the job, our personal weather presenter. we all have you on speed dial! what about mike? yes, his personalforecast for tomorrow morning is looking pretty good, i would say. but right across

the uk in fact tomorrow is looking dry and fine. i can't promise it will stay that way through the weekend. keep watching. things will get a little more unsettled but, yes, good morning. looking glorious out there for some of us. this is the picture in norfolk, beautiful blue skies around. not quite as extensive further north but certainly it will be a day of sunny spells developing and it will feel quite blustery and windy and some rain around this morning across the north of scotland in particular. down to this front you can see here but further south we have higher pressure dominating, quite a few isobars on the map showing it will be quite a blustery sort of day. this is the radarfrom be quite a blustery sort of day. this is the radar from the past to match ours. the rain across the north—west of scotland, a few spots of drizzle further south, south wales, the pennines, but tending to clean away. most places looking dry but we see the rain pushing up towards orkney and shetland as well. best of the suction to be found further south but you will notice that breeze coming in from the west or south—west. that breeze coming in from the west orsouth—west. in that breeze coming in from the west or south—west. in fact, that breeze coming in from the west orsouth—west. infact, gusts that breeze coming in from the west

or south—west. in fact, gusts could be up to about 40 mph towards the north. contrasting temperature today. low atjust 9 degrees with outbreaks of rain but down towards london in the sunshine up to about 23 celsius this afternoon. into the evening hours, the winds will tend to die out and then things are looking largely dry and settled. one or two drizzly showers across the far north and west but for most of us clear skies, a few mist or fog patches forming and 6—10 to kick off your weekend. the weekend, high pressure not far away but you will notice some heavy showers and thunderstorms creeping up from the south. if you are hoping for a bit of rain for gardens in the south we haven't had lot recently, you may well see it during saturday during saturday night. saturday morning, in fact much of saturday looking dry and fine with long spells of sunshine, lighterwinds and fine with long spells of sunshine, lighter winds than today so could have a glorious spring day out. showers looking in the english channel later in the day. temperature is a bit warmer on the day, 14, 23, more sunshine for

scotland and northern ireland debated today and less of a breeze as well. let's look at saturday night because that is when we are expecting heavy showers and thunderstorms, lightning as well and hail to push northwards across parts of england and wales as well. into sunday it looks like we will still see some of these heavy showers and perhaps the odd thunderstorm but they will be hit and miss so not everywhere catching a downpour. sunny spells in between, drifting northwards across the uk. probably the driest of the weather across parts of northern and western scotland. temperatures i9 parts of northern and western scotland. temperatures 19 in glasgow but for some eastern areas, little cooler is that breeze on sunday starts to come in from the north sea but further south it will be warm and quite humid with that moist air and quite humid with that moist air and thunderstorms around as well. still unsettled into next week so some downpours on monday. tuesday could be quite warm, humid in the south with temperatures up into the mid 20s. back to you both. sarah, thank you very much. do you like going out for tea? i thank you very much. do you like

going out for tea?— thank you very much. do you like going out for tea? i love going out for tea, going out for tea? i love going out fortea. yeah- _ going out for tea? i love going out for tea, yeah. lovely _ going out for tea? i love going out for tea, yeah. lovely cup - going out for tea? i love going out for tea, yeah. lovely cup of - for tea, yeah. lovely cup of afternoon tea. i did itjust this week in fact. afternoon tea. i did it 'ust this week in factfi afternoon tea. i did it 'ust this weekinfact. . . ., week in fact. thanks. what about ou? week in fact. thanks. what about you? yes. _ week in fact. thanks. what about you? yes. very — week in fact. thanks. what about you? yes, very nice, _ week in fact. thanks. what about you? yes, very nice, and - week in fact. thanks. what about you? yes, very nice, and you - week in fact. thanks. what about you? yes, very nice, and you can| week in fact. thanks. what about. you? yes, very nice, and you can get a little sample _ you? yes, very nice, and you can get a little sample of— you? yes, very nice, and you can get a little sample of it _ you? yes, very nice, and you can get a little sample of it now. _ you? yes, very nice, and you can get a little sample of it now. i _ you? yes, very nice, and you can get a little sample of it now. i am - a little sample of it now. i am seeing — a little sample of it now. i am seeing the whole business here. a pot of— seeing the whole business here. a pot of tea, — seeing the whole business here. a pot of tea, cup of tea, a tea strainer— pot of tea, cup of tea, a tea strainer and pot of tea, cup of tea, a tea strainerand a pot of tea, cup of tea, a tea strainer and a magnificent new pudding — strainer and a magnificent new uddina. ., ., strainer and a magnificent new uddina. ., . ., ., pudding. you might have heard a little bit about _ pudding. you might have heard a little bit about this. _ the winner of a nationwide competition to craft a new pudding to commemorate the queen's 70—year reign has been revealed. jemma melvin emerged triumphant out of more than 5,000 entries, thanks to her lemon trifle described byjudges as "sunshine in a bowl". i think that is an amazing compliment. and what i think that is an amazing compliment. and what does i think that is an amazing compliment. and what does it i think that is an amazing compliment. and what does it look like? we can speak now to fi lamdin who joins us from central london, along with jemma. .. ah, nice angle to the camera, very nice touch. good morning. goad nice touch. good morning. good mornin: , nice touch. good morning. good morning. yes. —

nice touch. good morning. good morning. yes. it— nice touch. good morning. good morning, yes, it might - nice touch. good morning. good morning, yes, it might be - nice touch. good morning. good morning, yes, it might be breakfast time but _ morning, yes, it might be breakfast time but we — morning, yes, it might be breakfast time but we are having afternoon tea and the _ time but we are having afternoon tea and the centrepiece, the platinum pudding. — and the centrepiece, the platinum pudding, with the winner, jemma. good _ pudding, with the winner, jemma. good morning. introduce us to your masterpiece. good morning. introduce us to your masterpiece-— masterpiece. this is the platinum - uddin . , masterpiece. this is the platinum pudding. a _ masterpiece. this is the platinum pudding, a lemon _ masterpiece. this is the platinum pudding, a lemon swiss - masterpiece. this is the platinum pudding, a lemon swiss roll - masterpiece. this is the platinum pudding, a lemon swiss roll and i pudding, a lemon swiss roll and amaretti triangles. the layers are a lemon swiss roll, saint clements jelly, custard, mandarin coulis with amaretti biscuits and cream and then the decoration on top.— the decoration on top. where did the insiration the decoration on top. where did the inspiration come _ the decoration on top. where did the inspiration come from? _ the decoration on top. where did the inspiration come from? an _ the decoration on top. where did the inspiration come from? an amazing i inspiration come from? an amazing story. yelena it is a tribute to three amazing women, my nan is not with us any — three amazing women, my nan is not with us any more. — three amazing women, my nan is not with us any more, my _ three amazing women, my nan is not with us any more, my mum _ three amazing women, my nan is not with us any more, my mum who - three amazing women, my nan is not with us any more, my mum who are i with us any more, my mum who are still very much with us and the queen herself. my gran taught me everything i know, how to make every element in this trifle. her signature dish was a trifle and we used to call her the queen of trifles and the queen herself had this flavour profile at her wedding, lemon traditionally served with

amaretti biscuits or all of that together created the trifle. can i together created the trifle. can i have a little _ together created the trifle. can i have a little dip? _ together created the trifle. can i have a little dip? dig _ together created the trifle. can i have a little dip? dig in. - together created the trifle. can i have a little dip? dig in. i - together created the trifle. can i have a little dip? dig in. i think. have a little dip? dig in. i think ou need have a little dip? dig in. i think you need a _ have a little dip? dig in. i think you need a bigger _ have a little dip? dig in. i think you need a bigger spoon! - have a little dip? dig in. i think you need a bigger spoon! go i have a little dip? dig in. i think| you need a bigger spoon! go as have a little dip? dig in. i think- you need a bigger spoon! go as far as you can go. you need a bigger spoon! go as far as you can go— as you can go. let's see how far. .. so beautiful. _ as you can go. let's see how far. .. so beautiful. well, _ as you can go. let's see how far. .. so beautiful. well, this _ as you can go. let's see how far. .. so beautiful. well, this might - as you can go. let's see how far. .. so beautiful. well, this might not| so beautiful. well, this might not be a pretty sight. before i eat this, i willjust get my next question in. tell me... it must be extraordinary, out of 5000 people you are down to the last one. what was the best moment, the thing you're most excited about? it was the best moment, the thing you're most excited about? it has all been unbelievable _ you're most excited about? it has all been unbelievable but- you're most excited about? it has all been unbelievable but i - you're most excited about? it has all been unbelievable but i am - you're most excited about? it has all been unbelievable but i am so| all been unbelievable but i am so excited _ all been unbelievable but i am so excited to— all been unbelievable but i am so excited to see everyone up and down the nation _ excited to see everyone up and down the nation making this recipe. i think— the nation making this recipe. i think it — the nation making this recipe. i think it will be great at street parties — think it will be great at street parties for the big jubilee lunch. i am parties for the big jubilee lunch. am clearly parties for the big jubilee lunch. i am clearly nojudge, but you might look at that and think there is a lot of cream and custard but the citrus cuts through it all. amazing. we do have a realjudge with us. good morning. come and meet us. you are one of the judges. you good morning. come and meet us. you are one of thejudges. you had really stiff competition. tell us

why you chose jemma's. firstly, it is a delicious _ why you chose jemma's. firstly, it is a delicious trifle, _ why you chose jemma's. firstly, it is a delicious trifle, and _ why you chose jemma's. firstly, it is a delicious trifle, and then - why you chose jemma's. firstly, it is a delicious trifle, and then also| is a delicious trifle, and then also it is the _ is a delicious trifle, and then also it is the dish with so much history. it it is the dish with so much history. it dates— it is the dish with so much history. it dates back to the mid—18th century— it dates back to the mid—18th century which is really exciting. i have _ century which is really exciting. i have done — century which is really exciting. i have done the research for my book, it is even— have done the research for my book, it is even older than that, but it didn't— it is even older than that, but it didn't have _ it is even older than that, but it didn't have any layers. in the 18th century— didn't have any layers. in the 18th century it— didn't have any layers. in the 18th century it got layers, then it goes down _ century it got layers, then it goes down into— century it got layers, then it goes down into the future, as the queens jubilee _ down into the future, as the queens jubilee pudding, which makes it all very exciting. but it has to be delicious, _ very exciting. but it has to be delicious, the first thing. also it is so _ delicious, the first thing. also it is so easily— delicious, the first thing. also it is so easily portioned on the day and people can either make it from scratch _ and people can either make it from scratch or— and people can either make it from scratch orjust buy in the different components and put it all together, well everyone can make it. it is the perfect _ well everyone can make it. it is the perfectjubilee pudding. canl well everyone can make it. it is the perfect jubilee pudding.— perfect jubilee pudding. can i give ou that perfect jubilee pudding. can i give you that spoon? — perfect jubilee pudding. can i give you that spoon? do _ perfect jubilee pudding. can i give you that spoon? do you _ perfect jubilee pudding. can i give you that spoon? do you want - perfect jubilee pudding. can i give i you that spoon? do you want another test? , , as you that spoon? do you want another test?_ as we _ you that spoon? do you want another test?_ as we have - you that spoon? do you want another test?_ as we have been i test? definitely! as we have been hearina , test? definitely! as we have been hearing. jemma. _ test? definitely! as we have been hearing, jemma, the _ test? definitely! as we have been hearing, jemma, the thing - test? definitely! as we have been hearing, jemma, the thing you i test? definitely! as we have been| hearing, jemma, the thing you are most excited about is the fact everyone can have a go. some people might look at that and be slightly daunted. i will give you that microphone. last night me and my

children had a little girl, just to set expectations. compared to yours, come on... but i willjust put it there —— we had a little girl. i wouldn't mind a bit of that critique comparing the two. mine looks incredibly messy.— comparing the two. mine looks incredibly messy. well, considering it is our incredibly messy. well, considering it is your first _ incredibly messy. well, considering it is your first go — incredibly messy. well, considering it is your first go i _ incredibly messy. well, considering it is your first go i think _ incredibly messy. well, considering it is your first go i think you - incredibly messy. well, considering it is your first go i think you have i it is your first go i think you have done well. the layers are a little sketchy but i think they will still taste the same, it's still going to taste the same, it's still going to taste beautiful and i like how you picked a different ball, and it can be made on anything. i think you have put your own spin on it and i think it looks great. you have put your own spin on it and i think it looks great.— think it looks great. you say it will taste _ think it looks great. you say it will taste 0k. _ think it looks great. you say it will taste 0k. come _ think it looks great. you say it will taste 0k. come on, i think it looks great. you say it will taste 0k. come on, you i think it looks great. you say it l will taste 0k. come on, you can think it looks great. you say it i will taste 0k. come on, you can be will taste ok. come on, you can be thejudge. i will taste 0k. come on, you can be the 'udue. , ., the judge. i will be the 'udge of that! because i the judge. i will be the 'udge of that! because we i the judge. i will be the judge of that! because we might - the judge. i will be the judge of that! because we might need i the judge. i will be the judge of that! because we might need a | the judge. i will be the judge of- that! because we might need a few more ti s. that! because we might need a few more tips. firstly _ that! because we might need a few more tips. firstly i _ that! because we might need a few more tips. firstly i would _ that! because we might need a few more tips. firstly i would need a i more tips. firstly i would need a ve lona more tips. firstly i would need a very long spoon _ more tips. firstly i would need a very long spoon to _ more tips. firstly i would need a very long spoon to go _ more tips. firstly i would need a very long spoon to go all - more tips. firstly i would need a very long spoon to go all the i more tips. firstly i would need a| very long spoon to go all the way down _ very long spoon to go all the way down because you want to have all the layers. — down because you want to have all the layers, don't you? well... light be honest — the layers, don't you? well... light be honest. you have done a really good _ be honest. you have done a really

good job — be honest. you have done a really good job -- — be honest. you have done a really good job "— good job. -- yes, be honest. fantastic- — good job. -- yes, be honest. fantastic. look— good job. -- yes, be honest. fantastic. look how - good job. -- yes, be honest. fantastic. look how they i good job. -- yes, be honest. fantastic. look how they are | fantastic. look how they are different _ fantastic. look how they are different and still very festive. they _ different and still very festive. they are — different and still very festive. they are both beautiful, but of course — they are both beautiful, but of course houses the queen of puddings, isn't it? _ course houses the queen of puddings, isn't it? white mightjust give us some _ isn't it? white mightjust give us some tips — isn't it? white mightjust give us some tips. a lot of people might look at _ some tips. a lot of people might look at this some tips. a lot of people might look at thi— look at this and say, i am not a baker -- _ look at this and say, i am not a baker -- yes. _ look at this and say, i am not a baker -- yes, just _ look at this and say, i am not a baker -- yes, just give - look at this and say, i am not a baker -- yes, just give us i look at this and say, i am not a| baker -- yes, just give us some baker —— yes, just give us some tips. baker -- yes, 'ust give us some ti s. ~ , ., baker -- yes, 'ust give us some tis. ~ , ., , ., baker -- yes, 'ust give us some tis.~ , ., , tips. when you see all the layers it does look a — tips. when you see all the layers it does look a little _ tips. when you see all the layers it does look a little complicated i tips. when you see all the layers it does look a little complicated but i does look a little complicated but they are quite simple and it is just about getting the setting time right which i think is where you might need a little bit... i which i think is where you might need a little bit. . .— need a little bit... i am very impatient— need a little bit... i am very impatient and _ need a little bit... i am very impatient and i _ need a little bit... i am very impatient and i think - need a little bit... i am very impatient and i think i i need a little bit... i am very. impatient and i think i rushed need a little bit... i am very i impatient and i think i rushed the jelly. yellow might leave it in the fridge, do something else and go back to it, i think that is a good tip and like you said there's so many ways to it, you can get shot but elements, you can even get together with your family, one but elements, you can even get together with yourfamily, one make the swiss roll, but make the jelly, put it all together. talking about

all the different elements, i love that for months you have been passing it all over the fence, your neighbours, your boyfriend? neighbours our lovely friends of mine and all my friends and family have been tasting elements without knowing what they are testing, they have been testing lemon curd, custard, and now it is here, and they were part of it without even knowing. like my now it is here just tell us, for the big celebration, who will you be making it four? the first has to — who will you be making it four? tue: first has to go to my who will you be making it four? tue first has to go to my lovely grandma, having a street party on her street and i want her to be able to walk in with it and i want to make it for my grandma. amazing. we believe ou make it for my grandma. amazing. we believe you all — make it for my grandma. amazing. we believe you all now. _ make it for my grandma. amazing. we believe you all now. i _ make it for my grandma. amazing. we believe you all now. i am _ make it for my grandma. amazing. we believe you all now. i am definitely i believe you all now. i am definitely going for the professional one. have you noticed thejudge is going for the professional one. have you noticed the judge is as well. i absolutely don't blame you. but amazing. huge congratulations. just be inspired. digging into... look, a lovely bit of mandarin. yummy.

studio: it looks fabulous. can you answer one quick question? charlie believes there is a freestanding trifle around. have you ever heard of freestanding trifle where it doesn't need to be in a bowl? tqm. of freestanding trifle where it doesn't need to be in a bowl? 0k, a ruestion doesn't need to be in a bowl? 0k, a question from _ doesn't need to be in a bowl? 0k, a question from charlie. _ doesn't need to be in a bowl? 0k, a question from charlie. is _ doesn't need to be in a bowl? 0k, a question from charlie. is there i doesn't need to be in a bowl? 0k, a question from charlie. is there such j question from charlie. is there such a thing as a freestanding trifle that doesn't have to be in a bowl? i heard him say that earlier. is there? — heard him say that earlier. is there? no! laughter that is a cake! , ., laughter thatisacake! , ., , . ., that is a cake! there is not such a thin. that is a cake! there is not such a thing- and — that is a cake! there is not such a thing- and a _ that is a cake! there is not such a thing. and a testament _ that is a cake! there is not such a thing. and a testament to - that is a cake! there is not such a thing. and a testament to that, i | thing. and a testament to that, i didn't actually have a ball so i had to borrow it from my best friend who had to borrow it from her mother, so you can't make it not in a bowl. mustn't smash it on the way home. if you mustn't smash it on the way home. you don't have a big bowl you can do it in individual glasses. | you don't have a big bowl you can do it in individual glasses.— it in individual glasses. i think the are it in individual glasses. i think they are going _ it in individual glasses. i think they are going to _ it in individual glasses. i think they are going to have - it in individual glasses. i think they are going to have a i it in individual glasses. i think| they are going to have a lovely morning, they willjust they are going to have a lovely morning, they will just sit and have

tea... ok, idon't morning, they will just sit and have tea... ok, i don't want this to get worse, and jemma, full of respect for her, but i have seen a picture of one... i'm not getting into it. ok, the headlines are coming up. good morning, welcome to breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. our headlines today. a damehood for deborahjames — the podcaster and cancer campaigner is honoured by the queen. she's now raised more than £4 million for charity in just four days.

ministers are asked to cut up to 90,000 civil service jobs, with the savings earmarked for tax cuts. calls for more money and more staff, as the number of people waiting for adult social care services in england continues to rise. and good morning from beneath central london, where a new railway is set to open in a week and a half. it is called the elizabeth line, the result of the crossrail project. i have been looking behind the scenes as final preparations are done. it's getting tense in turin as the clock ticks down to eurovision. and the uk's entry, sam ryder, is right up there amongst the favourites. myself and the whole team — and these guys, too — we're stoked for the eurovision, and we're going to give it everything. peace, love you, bye! all set for a big weekend at wembley, as both

the men's and women's fa cup finals take place. alan shearer and fara williams join us later this hour to preview the action. good morning. we are in for a fine, dry day for much of the uk today. some rain around for the north of scotland. and a noticeable breeze as well. good morning. it's friday, the 13th of may. our main story. the cancer campaigner deborahjames — also known as bowel babe — says she's hugely honoured to be awarded a damehood. the 40—year—old — who hosts the bbc�*s you, me and the big c podcast — has now raised more than £4 million for charity since monday, when she revealed she's receiving end of life care. jon donnison reports. # there were nights of endless pleasure...#. deborahjames — diarist, occasional diva, and now dame. forfive years, with remarkable energy and good humour, she's

documented her life with cancer. now in herfinal days, she's been honoured by the queen. she confirmed the news announced by downing street in a tweet last night, telling the bbc she was shocked and humbled. it comes just a few days after the 40—year—old mother of two announced she was ending her treatment and was now receiving end—of—life hospice care. i have a really loving family who i adore and couldn't... i honestly, like, they're just incredible. and all i knew i wanted was to come here and be able to relax, knowing that everything was ok.

music: rise up by andra day deborahjames' inspiring videos, often set to music and posted on social media, have reached millions. the former deputy head teacher was just 35 when she was diagnosed with stage four bowel cancer in 2016. but she's been determined to share her story to try and help others. on her podcast, you, me and the big c, which she was still presenting until a few months ago, she could be funny but didn't hide her emotions. i'm back on treatment, and every single time i'm back on treatment i'm like, "i don't want to be here". in just the past four days deborah james' bowel babe cancer research fund has raised almost £4 million. in a statement on her damehood, the prime minister said...

dame deborahjames, has achieved so much in such a short time, says she'll now spend her remaining days at her parents' home in surrey surrounded by her family. jon donnison, bbc news. steve bland, who co—hosts the podcast, you me and the big c with deborah, is here with us now. morning. when was the last time you managed to get a podcast out with deborah? taste managed to get a podcast out with deborah? ~ : managed to get a podcast out with deborah? ~ . ., , deborah? we did a few virtually durin: deborah? we did a few virtually during lockdown. _ deborah? we did a few virtually during lockdown. we _ deborah? we did a few virtually during lockdown. we recorded i deborah? we did a few virtually| during lockdown. we recorded in person — during lockdown. we recorded in person so. _ during lockdown. we recorded in person. so, during the whole pandemic. | person. so, during the whole pandemic-— person. so, during the whole andemic. ~ ., ., , pandemic. i know you have been in touch with — pandemic. i know you have been in touch with deborah, _ pandemic. i know you have been in touch with deborah, obviously, i pandemic. i know you have been in touch with deborah, obviously, in i touch with deborah, obviously, in more recent days. what can you tell us in terms of how she is doing? we spoke earlier this week. she is very tired. i

spoke earlier this week. she is very tired. : �* spoke earlier this week. she is very tired. . �* ., , ., tired. i hadn't actually spoken to her all this _ tired. i hadn't actually spoken to her all this week, _ tired. i hadn't actually spoken to her all this week, really, - tired. i hadn't actually spoken to her all this week, really, untili herallthis week, really, until last night _ herallthis week, really, until last night. about half past nine i .ot last night. about half past nine i got a _ last night. about half past nine i got a text— last night. about half past nine i got a text saying, make sure you watch _ got a text saying, make sure you watch the — got a text saying, make sure you watch the news at ten o'clock. i said, _ watch the news at ten o'clock. i said. why. _ watch the news at ten o'clock. i said, why, what have you done? and she sent _ said, why, what have you done? and she sent me — said, why, what have you done? and she sent me a picture of the front page _ she sent me a picture of the front page of— she sent me a picture of the front page of one of the newspapers with dame _ page of one of the newspapers with dame deborah underwood. what a moment _ dame deborah underwood. what a moment. just amazing. what did she know about _ moment. just amazing. what did she know about it? i don't know. she is over— know about it? i don't know. she is over the _ know about it? i don't know. she is over the moon. all the family are. it over the moon. all the family are. it has _ over the moon. all the family are. it has given— over the moon. all the family are. it has given them a massive boost. to see _ it has given them a massive boost. to see just— it has given them a massive boost. to see just how much people adore her. to see just how much people adore her~ i_ to see just how much people adore her~ ithink— to see just how much people adore her. i think that is the nice thing about— her. i think that is the nice thing about doing all this. when rachel, y wife, _ about doing all this. when rachel, y wife, died. _ about doing all this. when rachel, y wife, died, it happened very quickly _ wife, died, it happened very quickly. she didn't get to see all the wonderful tributes. she didn't .et the wonderful tributes. she didn't get to— the wonderful tributes. she didn't get to see — the wonderful tributes. she didn't get to see how much everyone meant to her~ _ get to see how much everyone meant to her. 0r— get to see how much everyone meant to her. , , ., ., to her. or see the benefit of what the did, to her. or see the benefit of what they did. what — to her. or see the benefit of what they did, what they _ to her. or see the benefit of what they did, what they created i to her. or see the benefit of what they did, what they created with i they did, what they created with that podcast, just getting people to talk about it. powell can't is not

something people are ashamed of. and the money that has been raised. —— bowel can serve. it must have done her away? it’s bowel can serve. it must have done herawa ? v : : , bowel can serve. it must have done herawa? . , , ., her away? it's amazing. this is what deborah does. _ her away? it's amazing. this is what deborah does. he _ her away? it's amazing. this is what deborah does. he deals _ her away? it's amazing. this is what deborah does. he deals in - her away? it's amazing. this is what deborah does. he deals in the i deborah does. he deals in the extraordinary. this is what she has done _ extraordinary. this is what she has done for— extraordinary. this is what she has done for five — extraordinary. this is what she has done for five years. everyone is focusing — done for five years. everyone is focusing on— done for five years. everyone is focusing on the last five days, but actually. — focusing on the last five days, but actually, she has been doing this for five _ actually, she has been doing this for five years. and ever since she was diagnosed with incurable cancer five years _ was diagnosed with incurable cancer five years ago, since then she has been _ five years ago, since then she has been trying — five years ago, since then she has been trying to help people. she has been trying to help people. she has been hanging the drum over and over and over— been hanging the drum over and over and overand— been hanging the drum over and over and overand overon been hanging the drum over and over and over and over on bowel can symptoms, _ and over and over on bowel can symptoms, working hard to get drugs approved _ symptoms, working hard to get drugs approved that she knew would help her and _ approved that she knew would help her and other people too. the last five days _ her and other people too. the last five days have been amazing, £4 million _ five days have been amazing, £4 million is — five days have been amazing, £4 million is incredible. there are people — million is incredible. there are people all— million is incredible. there are people all over the country walking around _ people all over the country walking around enjoying their children's birthday— around enjoying their children's birthday parties, whatever, because she has— birthday parties, whatever, because she has basically saved their lives. steve, _ she has basically saved their lives. steve, you — she has basically saved their lives. steve, you have lived it is already through your own tragedy. to what

extent have you heard, the work you have done on podcast, from people touched by your story... they must be so many people who have found comfort, or laughter, orsomething comfort, or laughter, or something they comfort, or laughter, orsomething they can chime in with? comfort, or laughter, or something they can chime in with?— they can chime in with? yeah, it's really touching, _ they can chime in with? yeah, it's really touching, actually. - they can chime in with? yeah, it's really touching, actually. we i they can chime in with? yeah, it's really touching, actually. we get. really touching, actually. we get messages all the time. the last four years— messages all the time. the last four years since — messages all the time. the last four years since the podcast was launched. but particularly the last week _ launched. but particularly the last week it _ launched. but particularly the last week it is — launched. but particularly the last week. it is amazing deborah can see all these _ week. it is amazing deborah can see all these messages. week. it is amazing deborah can see allthese messages. it's week. it is amazing deborah can see all these messages. it's really touching _ all these messages. it's really touching. this little podcast that rache!— touching. this little podcast that rachel and i kind of thought about, she had _ rachel and i kind of thought about, she had of— rachel and i kind of thought about, she had of the idea for and i helped her put _ she had of the idea for and i helped her put together, at the end of 2017, _ her put together, at the end of 2017, it— her put together, at the end of 2017, it was. it has actually done so much — 2017, it was. it has actually done so much for— 2017, it was. it has actually done so much for so many people. we hear about— so much for so many people. we hear about it _ so much for so many people. we hear about it every — so much for so many people. we hear about it every single day. i was

saying — about it every single day. i was saying to — about it every single day. i was saying to the guys last night, mike and alan _ saying to the guys last night, mike and alan and lauren as well, work on the podcast. — and alan and lauren as well, work on the podcast, how proud we should all be of what _ the podcast, how proud we should all be of what it has done. and obviously, our wonderful dead as welt~ _ obviously, our wonderful dead as well. ., ., ., well. you often hear people say, you will know this _ well. you often hear people say, you will know this much better as - well. you often hear people say, you will know this much better as well, i will know this much better as well, when something happens to a family, oran when something happens to a family, or an individual, you look for things that can help you. —— our wonderful deborah. i assume that is very much your story? everything you have tried to do in the podcast, all of you who have been involved, that is very much what it has been about? that is what it has been about since the word _ that is what it has been about since the word go. rachel had the idea because, — the word go. rachel had the idea because, when she was diagnosed with breast— because, when she was diagnosed with breast cancer, she wanted to do something positive. as it has gone along, _ something positive. as it has gone along, we — something positive. as it has gone along, we are trying to pull something good out of what has been a really— something good out of what has been a really difficult situation. summary like deborah, as i said, she

was diagnosed with incurable cancer. five years _ was diagnosed with incurable cancer. five years ago she knew we would get to this _ five years ago she knew we would get to this point _ five years ago she knew we would get to this point and still she has worked — to this point and still she has worked tirelessly to help people. that is— worked tirelessly to help people. that is all— worked tirelessly to help people. that is all she has done for five years — that is all she has done for five years she _ that is all she has done for five years. she has danced in her underwear and all the other videos, but that— underwear and all the other videos, but that was all to get the platform to give _ but that was all to get the platform to give the opportunity to tell everybody that would listen what they had — everybody that would listen what they had to know about bowel cancer. we are _ they had to know about bowel cancer. we are so _ they had to know about bowel cancer. we are so proud of what she has done and what _ we are so proud of what she has done and what we _ we are so proud of what she has done and what we have all done, really. and people — and what we have all done, really. and people have listened. it�*s and people have listened. it's amazing- _ and people have listened. it's amazing. she _ and people have listened. it's amazing. she wanted - and people have listened. it's amazing. she wanted a i and people have listened. it'sl amazing. she wanted a quarter and people have listened. it's i amazing. she wanted a quarter of a million, which _ amazing. she wanted a quarter of a million, which she _ amazing. she wanted a quarter of a million, which she thought - amazing. she wanted a quarter of a million, which she thought was i million, which she thought was ridiculously ambitious. she thought that was a big _ ridiculously ambitious. she thought that was a big target. _ ridiculously ambitious. she thought that was a big target. she - ridiculously ambitious. she thought that was a big target. she is - ridiculously ambitious. she thought that was a big target. she is at - that was a big target. she is at home — that was a big target. she is at home watching now. i don't know what target _ home watching now. i don't know what target she _ home watching now. i don't know what target she will have in her mind now _ target she will have in her mind now five. _ target she will have in her mind now five. i_ target she will have in her mind now. five, iguess, now. it is target she will have in her mind now. five, i guess, now. it is funny ou said now. five, i guess, now. it is funny you said that- _ now. five, i guess, now. it is funny you said that. because _ now. five, i guess, now. it is funny you said that. because this - now. five, i guess, now. it is funny. you said that. because this morning, when we had our morning meeting, i asked the team if it was a silly

question to ask that you might be watching breakfast this morning. we don't now she is. i know it is hour by hour, day by day. i don't now she is. i know it is hour by hour. day by day-— by hour, day by day. i texted her last niuht by hour, day by day. i texted her last night saying _ by hour, day by day. i texted her last night saying i _ by hour, day by day. i texted her last night saying i was _ by hour, day by day. i texted her last night saying i was coming i by hour, day by day. i texted her| last night saying i was coming on. like i_ last night saying i was coming on. like i say. — last night saying i was coming on. like i say. i— last night saying i was coming on. like i say, i haven't heard much from _ like i say, i haven't heard much from her— like i say, i haven't heard much from her all— like i say, i haven't heard much from her all week. yeah, like i say, i haven't heard much from herall week. yeah, she messaged me to say she would be watching — messaged me to say she would be watchinu. ., . . messaged me to say she would be watchinu. ., ., . .., watching. you have direct contact. is there anything _ watching. you have direct contact. is there anything in _ watching. you have direct contact. is there anything in particular- watching. you have direct contact. is there anything in particular they want to put out there today? she knows what _ want to put out there today? she knows what we _ want to put out there today? she knows what we think of her. we tell all the _ knows what we think of her. we tell all the time. we tell her i proud of her we _ all the time. we tell her i proud of her we are — all the time. we tell her i proud of herwe are. how all the time. we tell her i proud of her we are. how much we love her. how— her we are. how much we love her. how could — her we are. how much we love her. how could you not love this? seriously. how could you not love this? seriously-— how could you not love this? seriousl. ,, , ., ., ., ., seriously. she is not always one for a cuddle. seriously. she is not always one for a cuddle- she _ seriously. she is not always one for a cuddle. she doesn't _ seriously. she is not always one for a cuddle. she doesn't always - seriously. she is not always one for a cuddle. she doesn't always like i a cuddle. she doesn't always like the lovey—dovey stuff. we'd love her. the lovey—dovey stuff. we'd love her~ not — the lovey—dovey stuff. we'd love her. notjust us, everybody loves her~ _ her. notjust us, everybody loves her~ ali— her. notjust us, everybody loves her~ all of— her. notjust us, everybody loves her. all of the world, probably. the impact _ her. all of the world, probably. the impact that— her. all of the world, probably. the impact that she has made is extraordinary. the legacy she will have _ extraordinary. the legacy she will have from — extraordinary. the legacy she will have from this fund and everything else she _ have from this fund and everything else she has done isjust

incredible. else she has done is 'ust incrediblei else she has done is 'ust incredible. , ., , incredible. did you actually say, have ou incredible. did you actually say, have you had — incredible. did you actually say, have you had the _ incredible. did you actually say, have you had the chance - incredible. did you actually say, have you had the chance to - incredible. did you actually say, have you had the chance to say| incredible. did you actually say, i have you had the chance to say to her, dame deborah?— have you had the chance to say to her, dame deborah? yeah, last night. dame deborah! _ her, dame deborah? yeah, last night. dame deborah! it _ her, dame deborah? yeah, last night. dame deborah! it is _ her, dame deborah? yeah, last night. dame deborah! it is amazing, - her, dame deborah? yeah, last night. dame deborah! it is amazing, isn't- dame deborah! it is amazing, isn't it?. good to in. - good to talk in. — good to talk to you. i think it?. good to talk to you. i think you have done well. deborah, good morning, by the way, from everybody here. total support. morning, by the way, from everybody here. totalsupport. i morning, by the way, from everybody here. total support. i hope you are doing 0k. here. total support. i hope you are doing ok. we wish you well, obviously. thanks for watching. and... borisjohnson has ordered ministers to come up with a plan to cut around 90,000 civil service jobs — that's around one in five. downing street says the move will help tackle the cost of living crisis, but unions say the plan is ill thought—out. our political correspondent nick eardleyjoins us from westminster. morning to you. we had a chat with jacob rees—mogg, who is in charge of government efficiency, and put some of these plans and the ideas behind them to him?—

of these plans and the ideas behind them to him? , , , . ., them to him? yes, his basic argument is that the government _ them to him? yes, his basic argument is that the government needs - them to him? yes, his basic argument is that the government needs to - them to him? yes, his basic argument is that the government needs to do i is that the government needs to do better— is that the government needs to do better when it comes to spending taxnayers — better when it comes to spending taxpayers money. so that is why he was saying — taxpayers money. so that is why he was saying you can reduce the size of the _ was saying you can reduce the size of the civil— was saying you can reduce the size of the civil service, you can use things— of the civil service, you can use things like _ of the civil service, you can use things like computers and automation to make _ things like computers and automation to make sure that that doesn't mean you have _ to make sure that that doesn't mean you have a _ to make sure that that doesn't mean you have a cut in the services people — you have a cut in the services people are _ you have a cut in the services people are getting at the same time. so, people are getting at the same time. so. this— people are getting at the same time. so. this is— people are getting at the same time. so, this is part of the government's drive _ so, this is part of the government's drive to— so, this is part of the government's drive to try— so, this is part of the government's drive to try to reduce costs in general, _ drive to try to reduce costs in general, which they say will then be passed _ general, which they say will then be passed on— general, which they say will then be passed on to people through cuts to things— passed on to people through cuts to things like _ passed on to people through cuts to things like taxes, spending on public— things like taxes, spending on public services. i've got to say, there _ public services. i've got to say, there are — public services. i've got to say, there are some people pretty sceptical that all of this will work — sceptical that all of this will work. we have been hearing from the unions _ work. we have been hearing from the unions this— work. we have been hearing from the unions this morning, who have been telling _ unions this morning, who have been telling the _ unions this morning, who have been telling the bbc that i don't think this is— telling the bbc that i don't think this is a — telling the bbc that i don't think this is a thought out plan and if you are — this is a thought out plan and if you are going to shed jobs, you are inevitably— you are going to shed jobs, you are inevitably going to have to reduce what _ inevitably going to have to reduce what government does, that it will have a _ what government does, that it will have a knock—on effect. the word from _ have a knock—on effect. the word from number 10 people have a knock—on effect. the word from number10 people i have a knock—on effect. the word from number 10 people i have

have a knock—on effect. the word from number10 people i have been speaking _ from number10 people i have been speaking to this morning is that if they say— speaking to this morning is that if they say this is not ideological. it is about— they say this is not ideological. it is aboutjust good they say this is not ideological. it is about just good housekeeping and it is about _ is about just good housekeeping and it is about making the most of staff, — it is about making the most of staff, ratherthan it is about making the most of staff, rather than getting rid of bil staff, rather than getting rid of big chunks of what the government provide _ big chunks of what the government provide. but it is interesting, because _ provide. but it is interesting, because when you look at some of the bil because when you look at some of the big departments, the ones that employ— big departments, the ones that employ the most people, they are ones _ employ the most people, they are ones that— employ the most people, they are ones that could be really busy over the next _ ones that could be really busy over the next two or three years. you have _ the next two or three years. you have got— the next two or three years. you have got the department for work and pensions _ have got the department for work and pensions. given the cost of living crisis. _ pensions. given the cost of living crisis. it— pensions. given the cost of living crisis, it could be pretty busy. the ministry— crisis, it could be pretty busy. the ministry of— crisis, it could be pretty busy. the ministry ofjustice, a big backlog in the _ ministry ofjustice, a big backlog in the courts, prisons are full. are you going — in the courts, prisons are full. are you going to— in the courts, prisons are full. are you going to cut a lot of staff there? — you going to cut a lot of staff there? hmrc, in charge of tax. the ministry— there? hmrc, in charge of tax. the ministry of— there? hmrc, in charge of tax. the ministry of defence, facing up to cyber— ministry of defence, facing up to cyber security threats and the war in ukraine — cyber security threats and the war in ukraine i— cyber security threats and the war in ukraine. i suspect a lot of people — in ukraine. i suspect a lot of people will be wanting to see the detail— people will be wanting to see the detail of— people will be wanting to see the detail of exactly how this is going to work — detail of exactly how this is going to work. at the moment we just don't have it _ have it. nick, thank you have n. — nick, thank you very much. quarter past eight. time for the weather. sarah has the

details. good morning. we have had a little bit of rain around this morning across parts of northern and western scotland, clearing away from the scottish borders. through much of today a lot of dry weather on the cards. some spells of sunshine for most areas, but it is going to feel quite breezy, quite windy at times. here is the rain that is going to be pushing away from caithness towards orkney and shetland over the next few hours. just the odd spot of drizzle for the north—west of scotland i'd run. sunny spells working through to northern england, northern ireland, and long spells of sunshine further south. temperatures 22, 20 three degrees in the warmest spots. colour in the north of scotland where you have the cloud and the showery rain. this evening and the showery rain. this evening and tonight the breeze we have today is going to be easing away. lighter winds, clearskies, more cloud in the north—west and the odd little bit of mist and merck. temperatures to start the weekend between seven

to start the weekend between seven to ii to start the weekend between seven to 11 degrees. a mild, largely dry day for saturday. high pressure not far away through the weekend. we are going to see a bit of a change at some heavy and thundery showers moved away and from the south, particularly through saturday night. much of saturday fine and dry with long spells of sunshine. breezy and cloudy in the far north—west. notice the showers lingering in the english channel, pushing across the channel islands through the middle of the afternoon. they are going to move northwards across england and wales through the evening and overnight. fine and dry, pretty warm through much of saturday, but expect some heavy showers and thunderstorms from saturday night onwards. thank you so much. it is good to see some good weekend weather. the number of elderly and disabled people in england waiting for care is rising rapidly, according to officials who run local authority services. latest figures suggest more than half a million vulnerable people are facing delayed assessments, reviews or appointments, as our social affairs editor,

alison holt, reports. hello! are you all right? this is one of the four care visits a day that ralph and pat rely on. you had a nice morning, ralph? he has parkinson's, and they wouldn't cope in their own home near redcar without this support. you rely on your carers to look after him properly, don't you? you know? so ~~ - i mean, it's something i couldn't do. i can't handle him at all. time to look after myself now. just the two tablets this afternoon, ralph, all right? but today's research by council bosses says an increasing number of people who are older or disabled are having to wait for care services like this. one reason is a shortage of care staff. right, we'll pop your chair up a bit. both sadie and karen love what they do, but understand why, with the cost of living rising, some don't want to do a job that, in their case, pays less than £10 an hour. that's it. a little bit more, ralph. mostly, it's to do with pay.

people with families are trying to get on the housing ladder. with the cost of living, they just can't afford to be in a job like this, because it doesn't pay enough for them to be able to live as well. i think care workers should be paid more for doing, because we don'tjust go in and make cups of teas of what people think we do. we actually go in and we turn people's lives around. according to the directors who run council care services in england, last september, an estimated 294,000 people were waiting for assessment, reviews or care from local authorities. by the end of february this year, that number had risen to more than 500,000. care leaders say councils need extra money urgently to meet growing demand, and pay those providing care more. we need urgent action to address unmet need. we need more money into social care sooner. we can't afford for social care to be an afterthought

that creates a vicious cycle where people deteriorate and need more help, more health and care. and it's family carers like tania who feel the strain when it's hard to get help. lee is 37. he's quadriplegic and he has multiple and complex disabilities. lee requires 24 hour care, really. and so that's provided — the majority of it's provided by me and his dad, brian — and then we have paid carers. one of their care workers left injanuary, because she needed to earn more money. tania manages lee's care, which is nhs funded, and she's had just four applications for thejob. none were suitable. are you going to talk to me, lee? are you? — it makes it really difficult, because i have my own health needs, which makes physically caring for lee difficult because it causes me a lot of pain. my husband is self—employed, because he needs to be accessible and available if i need to call him

to come and help with lee. one step. but, at the end of the day, he's our son, so, you know, we'll do what lee needs. tania has little confidence they will find the help they need any time soon. the government says reforming the care system is a priority, and that it's investing billions of pounds in improving the way it works for families and staff. alison holt, bbc news. is that funny? let's speak to michelle jackson, who's the manager of caremark, and sarah mcclinton, from the association of directors of adult services, who's in london. you are both very welcome this morning. it is very moving, seeing the situation people are rain, the lengths people are going to help them. but michelle, i want to ask you very questions about the services you run. somebody comes to

you to you today, you take a phone call from somebody who needs, who is maybe qualified to get care at home, what can you do? what happens next? that all depends on what carers we have got, _ that all depends on what carers we have got, where the customer lives, what a _ have got, where the customer lives, what a care — have got, where the customer lives, what a care package they require and if it fits _ what a care package they require and if it fits geographically within our current— if it fits geographically within our current rotor system. pre—covid—mac which _ current rotor system. pre—covid—mac which used _ current rotor system. pre—covid—mac which used to — current rotor system. pre—covid—mac which used to be able to take on 80% of that— which used to be able to take on 80% of that work, so we used to be able to help _ of that work, so we used to be able to help 80% of our lovely customers. unfortunately, that has flipped around — unfortunately, that has flipped around. we have to decline 80% of the work _ around. we have to decline 80% of the work. ., around. we have to decline 80% of the work. . ., , around. we have to decline 80% of the work. . . , ., , the work. that means the vast ma'ori the work. that means the vast majority of _ the work. that means the vast majority of people _ the work. that means the vast majority of people who - the work. that means the vast majority of people who need l the work. that means the vast - majority of people who need help, in other circumstances you would want to and give help you, you seem to can't? ., to and give help you, you seem to can't? ida. is that because more can't? no. is that because more --eole can't? no. is that because more people are _ can't? no. is that because more people are asking for help or are the resources depleted? abs, people are asking for help or are the resources depleted? a mixture of both. more people _ the resources depleted? a mixture of both. more people want _ the resources depleted? a mixture of both. more people want to _ the resources depleted? a mixture of both. more people want to remain . the resources depleted? a mixture of both. more people want to remain in | both. more people want to remain in their own _ both. more people want to remain in their own home and should be able to remain— their own home and should be able to remain in— their own home and should be able to remain in their own home rather than be stuck— remain in their own home rather than be stuck in _ remain in their own home rather than

be stuck in hospital or a care home. in regards— be stuck in hospital or a care home. in regards to — be stuck in hospital or a care home. in regards to the staff situation, it means — in regards to the staff situation, it means less people coming into the care industry because of covid i think. _ care industry because of covid i think, simply because of the poor wages _ think, simply because of the poor wages care — think, simply because of the poor wages care staff get. they don't get paid shift— wages care staff get. they don't get paid shift work. they only get paid for the _ paid shift work. they only get paid for the actual contact care they deliver— for the actual contact care they deliver to — for the actual contact care they deliver to customers, the travel time _ deliver to customers, the travel time and — deliver to customers, the travel time and mileage. our staff get paid a national— time and mileage. our staff get paid a national living wage, which is £950 — a national living wage, which is £950 an— a national living wage, which is £9.50 an hour. to have such a responsible _ £9.50 an hour. to have such a responsible job for such poor wages is not _ responsible job for such poor wages is not worth— responsible job for such poor wages is not worth it when they can go and work— is not worth it when they can go and work in _ is not worth it when they can go and work in a _ is not worth it when they can go and work in a pub— is not worth it when they can go and work in a pub for an excess of £10 an hour~ _ work in a pub for an excess of £10 an hour. if— work in a pub for an excess of £10 an hour. , ., , work in a pub for an excess of £10 an hour. i. , ., work in a pub for an excess of £10 an hour. ,. , . . , an hour. if you put an advertisement out for a job. — an hour. if you put an advertisement out for aiob. or— an hour. if you put an advertisement out for a job, or through _ an hour. if you put an advertisement out for a job, or through the - an hour. if you put an advertisement out for a job, or through the job - out for a job, or through the job centre or recrimination, in which a response to get? brute centre or recrimination, in which a response to get?— response to get? we get a good resonse response to get? we get a good response but — response to get? we get a good response but it _ response to get? we get a good response but it is _ response to get? we get a good response but it is not _ response to get? we get a good response but it is not the - response to get? we get a good response but it is not the right l response but it is not the right calibre — response but it is not the right calibre of— response but it is not the right calibre of staff. they might live out of — calibre of staff. they might live out of area. they might not be in the same — out of area. they might not be in the same geographical areas that we need carers. 0r the same geographical areas that we need carers. or they mightjust not want _ need carers. or they mightjust not want a _ need carers. or they mightjust not want a job— need carers. or they mightjust not want a job and are doing it for the sake _ want a job and are doing it for the sake of— want a job and are doing it for the sake of the — want a job and are doing it for the sake of the benefits system,

unfortunately.— sake of the benefits system, unfortunately. sake of the benefits system, unfortunatel. . , , ., unfortunately. sarah, pig up on some ofthe unfortunately. sarah, pig up on some of the things — unfortunately. sarah, pig up on some of the things michelle _ unfortunately. sarah, pig up on some of the things michelle has _ unfortunately. sarah, pig up on some of the things michelle has outlined. l of the things michelle has outlined. it is maths in a way, isn't it? haas it is maths in a way, isn't it? how can something — it is maths in a way, isn't it? how can something change? - it is maths in a way, isn't it? how can something change? well, i think we have _ can something change? well, i think we have heard — can something change? well, i think we have heard about _ can something change? well, i think we have heard about the _ can something change? well, i think we have heard about the highly - we have heard about the highly skilled — we have heard about the highly skilled work _ we have heard about the highly skilled work that _ we have heard about the highly skilled work that care - we have heard about the highly skilled work that care workers. we have heard about the highly . skilled work that care workers do. and that — skilled work that care workers do. and that pay— skilled work that care workers do. and that pay is _ skilled work that care workers do. and that pay is one _ skilled work that care workers do. and that pay is one of— skilled work that care workers do. and that pay is one of the - skilled work that care workers do. and that pay is one of the issues. | and that pay is one of the issues. so, and that pay is one of the issues. so. as— and that pay is one of the issues. so. as social— and that pay is one of the issues. so, as social care _ and that pay is one of the issues. so, as social care leaders- and that pay is one of the issues. so, as social care leaders we - and that pay is one of the issues. | so, as social care leaders we have called _ so, as social care leaders we have called for— so, as social care leaders we have called for a — so, as social care leaders we have called for a minimum _ so, as social care leaders we have called for a minimum care - so, as social care leaders we have called for a minimum care wage. i so, as social care leaders we have i called for a minimum care wage. but ithink— called for a minimum care wage. but i think it _ called for a minimum care wage. but i think it is _ called for a minimum care wage. but i think it is important _ called for a minimum care wage. but i think it is important we _ called for a minimum care wage. but i think it is important we value - called for a minimum care wage. but i think it is important we value our. i think it is important we value our social— i think it is important we value our social care — i think it is important we value our social care professionals _ i think it is important we value our social care professionals in - i think it is important we value our social care professionals in the - social care professionals in the same — social care professionals in the same way— social care professionals in the same way that _ social care professionals in the same way that we _ social care professionals in the same way that we value - social care professionals in the| same way that we value people working — same way that we value people working in— same way that we value people working in the _ same way that we value people working in the nhs. _ same way that we value people working in the nhs. so- same way that we value people working in the nhs. so we - same way that we value people working in the nhs. so we are| same way that we value people i working in the nhs. so we are not 'ust working in the nhs. so we are not just looking — working in the nhs. so we are not just looking at _ working in the nhs. so we are not just looking at competition - working in the nhs. so we are not just looking at competition from . just looking at competition from retail— just looking at competition from retail and — just looking at competition from retail and hospitality, _ just looking at competition from retail and hospitality, but- just looking at competition from retail and hospitality, but we . just looking at competition froml retail and hospitality, but we are also lookingm _ retail and hospitality, but we are also looking... people _ retail and hospitality, but we are also looking... people in - retail and hospitality, but we are also looking... people in the - retail and hospitality, but we are i also looking... people in the nhs are on— also looking... people in the nhs are on terms— also looking... people in the nhs are on terms and _ also looking... people in the nhs are on terms and conditions - also looking... people in the nhs| are on terms and conditions which are on terms and conditions which are also— are on terms and conditions which are also much— are on terms and conditions which are also much better, _ are on terms and conditions which are also much better, so - are on terms and conditions which are also much better, so much . are on terms and conditions which i are also much better, so much more secure _ are also much better, so much more secure employment _ are also much better, so much more secure employment. so— are also much better, so much more secure employment. so i— are also much better, so much more secure employment. so i come - are also much better, so much more secure employment. so i come —— l are also much better, so much more| secure employment. so i come —— so are also much better, so much more i secure employment. so i come —— so i think— secure employment. so i come —— so i think one — secure employment. so i come —— so i think one of— secure employment. so i come —— so i think one of the — secure employment. so i come —— so i think one of the solutions, _ secure employment. so i come —— so i think one of the solutions, we - think one of the solutions, we clearly— think one of the solutions, we clearly need _ think one of the solutions, we clearly need a _ think one of the solutions, we clearly need a workforce - think one of the solutions, wej clearly need a workforce plan. think one of the solutions, we - clearly need a workforce plan. we need _ clearly need a workforce plan. we need to _ clearly need a workforce plan. we need to plan — clearly need a workforce plan. we need to plan for— clearly need a workforce plan. we need to plan for the _ clearly need a workforce plan. we need to plan for the future, - clearly need a workforce plan. we need to plan for the future, the l need to plan for the future, the types _ need to plan for the future, the types of— need to plan for the future, the types of carers _ need to plan for the future, the types of carers we _ need to plan for the future, the types of carers we need. - need to plan for the future, the types of carers we need. we i need to plan for the future, the . types of carers we need. we need action— types of carers we need. we need action now— types of carers we need. we need action now to— types of carers we need. we need action now to address _ types of carers we need. we need action now to address those - types of carers we need. we needl action now to address those issues around _ action now to address those issues around pay~ — action now to address those issues

around pay. 0ver— action now to address those issues around pay. over half _ action now to address those issues around pay. over half of _ action now to address those issues around pay. over half of staff- action now to address those issues around pay. over half of staff are i around pay. over half of staff are on zero-hours _ around pay. over half of staff are on zero—hours contracts. - around pay. over half of staff are on zero—hours contracts. we - around pay. over half of staff are on zero—hours contracts. we also need _ on zero—hours contracts. we also need to— on zero—hours contracts. we also need to look— on zero—hours contracts. we also need to look at _ on zero—hours contracts. we also need to look at how _ on zero—hours contracts. we also need to look at how we _ on zero—hours contracts. we also need to look at how we value - on zero—hours contracts. we also . need to look at how we value people i need to look at how we value people ithink— need to look at how we value people i think about — need to look at how we value people i think about a — need to look at how we value people i think about a different _ need to look at how we value people i think about a different way- need to look at how we value people i think about a different way of- i think about a different way of making — i think about a different way of making sure _ i think about a different way of making sure that _ i think about a different way of making sure that people - i think about a different way of making sure that people are l i think about a different way of- making sure that people are properly compensated — making sure that people are properly compensated-— compensated. michelle was talking about... compensated. michelle was talking about--- you _ compensated. michelle was talking about... you said _ compensated. michelle was talking about... you said it _ compensated. michelle was talking about... you said it was _ compensated. michelle was talking about... you said it was £9.50, - compensated. michelle was talking | about... you said it was £9.50, the national living wage. you talked about a national living wage. you talked abouta minimum national living wage. you talked about a minimum care wage. what are the figures? what do you think could attract people to do, what as you say is a highly skilled, if not one the correct method is given the respect it deserves? ii the correct method is given the respect it deserves?— the correct method is given the respect it deserves? if we look at band three _ respect it deserves? if we look at band three nhs, _ respect it deserves? if we look at band three nhs, health - respect it deserves? if we look at band three nhs, health care - band three nhs, health care assistants _ band three nhs, health care assistants who— band three nhs, health care assistants who often - band three nhs, health care assistants who often do - band three nhs, health care assistants who often do very band three nhs, health care - assistants who often do very similar work to— assistants who often do very similar work to care — assistants who often do very similar work to care staff, _ assistants who often do very similar work to care staff, you _ assistants who often do very similar work to care staff, you have - assistants who often do very similar work to care staff, you have heard i work to care staff, you have heard about— work to care staff, you have heard about how — work to care staff, you have heard about how skilled _ work to care staff, you have heard about how skilled and _ work to care staff, you have heard about how skilled and complex - work to care staff, you have heard i about how skilled and complex some of that— about how skilled and complex some of that work— about how skilled and complex some of that work is. — about how skilled and complex some of that work is, so _ about how skilled and complex some of that work is, so people _ about how skilled and complex some of that work is, so people working i of that work is, so people working with people — of that work is, so people working with people with— of that work is, so people working with people with dementia - of that work is, so people working with people with dementia or- of that work is, so people working with people with dementia or very disabled _ with people with dementia or very disabled people. _ with people with dementia or very disabled people, so— with people with dementia or very disabled people, so we _ with people with dementia or very disabled people, so we would i with people with dementia or very disabled people, so we would say| disabled people, so we would say that about — disabled people, so we would say that about £11.50, _ disabled people, so we would say that about £11.50, the _ disabled people, so we would say that about £11.50, the equivalent| disabled people, so we would say. that about £11.50, the equivalent of what somebody— that about £11.50, the equivalent of what somebody doing _ that about £11.50, the equivalent of what somebody doing similar- that about £11.50, the equivalent of what somebody doing similar worki that about £11.50, the equivalent of. what somebody doing similar work in the nhs _ what somebody doing similar work in the nhs would — what somebody doing similar work in the nhs would get, _ what somebody doing similar work in the nhs would get, would _ what somebody doing similar work in the nhs would get, would be - what somebody doing similar work in the nhs would get, would be about. the nhs would get, would be about the nhs would get, would be about the right— the nhs would get, would be about the right place _ the nhs would get, would be about the right place to _ the nhs would get, would be about the right place to start. _

the nhs would get, would be about the right place to start. does - the nhs would get, would be about the right place to start.— the right place to start. does that work? i the right place to start. does that work? ithink— the right place to start. does that work? 1 think £11.50 _ the right place to start. does that work? 1 think £11.50 is _ the right place to start. does that work? i think £11.50 is good. i work? i think £11.50 is good. however. — work? i think £11.50 is good. however, the _ work? i think £11.50 is good. however, the health - work? i think £11.50 is good. however, the health care i work? i think £11.50 is good. i however, the health care systems within— however, the health care systems within the — however, the health care systems within the nhs are being paid shift work, _ within the nhs are being paid shift work. so _ within the nhs are being paid shift work, so they are being paid for a 12 hour— work, so they are being paid for a 12 hour shift. they have no responsibility other medication. my staff do _ responsibility other medication. my staff do. as responsibility other medication. my staff do. �* . ~ responsibility other medication. my staffdo. a ,. ., responsibility other medication. my staff do. �* , ,. ., , staff do. as i said, i think that is the lace staff do. as i said, i think that is the place to _ staff do. as i said, i think that is the place to start. _ staff do. as i said, i think that is the place to start. i _ staff do. as i said, i think that is the place to start. i absolutely i the place to start. i absolutely recognise _ the place to start. i absolutely recognise that _ the place to start. i absolutely recognise that it _ the place to start. i absolutely recognise that it is— the place to start. i absolutely recognise that it is not- the place to start. i absolutely recognise that it is notjust i the place to start. i absolutely. recognise that it is notjust about p5y~ recognise that it is notjust about pay it— recognise that it is notjust about pay it is— recognise that it is notjust about pay. it is also— recognise that it is notjust about pay. it is also about _ recognise that it is notjust about pay. it is also about being - recognise that it is notjust about pay. it is also about being able i recognise that it is notjust about| pay. it is also about being able to create _ pay. it is also about being able to create a _ pay. it is also about being able to create a stable _ pay. it is also about being able to create a stable workforce. - pay. it is also about being able to create a stable workforce. so, i create a stable workforce. so, paying — create a stable workforce. so, paying people _ create a stable workforce. so, paying people for _ create a stable workforce. so, paying people for a _ create a stable workforce. so, paying people for a set - create a stable workforce. so, i paying people for a set number of hours _ paying people for a set number of hours rather — paying people for a set number of hours rather than _ paying people for a set number of hours rather than on _ paying people for a set number of hours rather than on zero—hours i hours rather than on zero—hours contracts~ — hours rather than on zero-hours contracts-— hours rather than on zero-hours contracts. ., ., ,. contracts. sarah, do you think care workers are _ contracts. sarah, do you think care workers are valued? _ contracts. sarah, do you think care workers are valued? i _ contracts. sarah, do you think care workers are valued? i think - contracts. sarah, do you think care workers are valued? i think care i workers are valued? i think care workers are valued? i think care workers are _ workers are valued? i think care workers are not _ workers are valued? i think care workers are not valued - workers are valued? i think care workers are not valued as i workers are valued? i think care workers are not valued as much | workers are valued? i think care i workers are not valued as much as they need — workers are not valued as much as they need to — workers are not valued as much as they need to be _ workers are not valued as much as they need to be. i— workers are not valued as much as they need to be. ithink— workers are not valued as much as they need to be. i think it- workers are not valued as much as they need to be. i think it is- they need to be. i think it is really— they need to be. i think it is really vital _ they need to be. i think it is really vital work. _ they need to be. i think it is really vital work. there i they need to be. i think it is really vital work. there are i they need to be. i think it is- really vital work. there are people behind _ really vital work. there are people behind all — really vital work. there are people behind all of — really vital work. there are people behind all of these _ really vital work. there are people behind all of these numbers. in. really vital work. there are people i behind all of these numbers. in your piece _ behind all of these numbers. in your piece we _ behind all of these numbers. in your piece we have — behind all of these numbers. in your piece we have seen— behind all of these numbers. in your piece we have seen are _ behind all of these numbers. in your piece we have seen are not - behind all of these numbers. in your piece we have seen are not getting i piece we have seen are not getting that vital— piece we have seen are not getting that vital care _ piece we have seen are not getting that vital care and _ piece we have seen are not getting that vital care and support - piece we have seen are not getting that vital care and support has i piece we have seen are not getting that vital care and support has a i that vital care and support has a huge _ that vital care and support has a huge impact _ that vital care and support has a huge impact on _ that vital care and support has a huge impact on our— that vital care and support has a huge impact on our elderly- that vital care and support has a i huge impact on our elderly relatives and disabled — huge impact on our elderly relatives and disabled people. _ huge impact on our elderly relatives and disabled people. but _ huge impact on our elderly relatives and disabled people. but also - huge impact on our elderly relatives and disabled people. but also on i

and disabled people. but also on carers. _ and disabled people. but also on carers. who— and disabled people. but also on carers, who are _ and disabled people. but also on carers, who are having _ and disabled people. but also on carers, who are having to - and disabled people. but also on carers, who are having to take i and disabled people. but also on i carers, who are having to take time off work _ carers, who are having to take time off work there _ carers, who are having to take time off work. there is _ carers, who are having to take time off work. there is a _ carers, who are having to take time off work. there is a vicious - carers, who are having to take time off work. there is a vicious cycle. i off work. there is a vicious cycle. if off work. there is a vicious cycle. it we _ off work. there is a vicious cycle. it we don't— off work. there is a vicious cycle. if we don't support _ off work. there is a vicious cycle. if we don't support people - off work. there is a vicious cycle. if we don't support people in- off work. there is a vicious cycle. i if we don't support people in their own homes. — if we don't support people in their own homes. we _ if we don't support people in their own homes, we find _ if we don't support people in their own homes, we find there - if we don't support people in their own homes, we find there is i if we don't support people in their own homes, we find there is a i if we don't support people in their| own homes, we find there is a risk that people — own homes, we find there is a risk that people deteriorate _ own homes, we find there is a risk that people deteriorate and - own homes, we find there is a risk that people deteriorate and they. own homes, we find there is a risk. that people deteriorate and they are likely. _ that people deteriorate and they are likely. in— that people deteriorate and they are likely. in the— that people deteriorate and they are likely, in the longer— that people deteriorate and they are likely, in the longer term, _ that people deteriorate and they are likely, in the longer term, to- that people deteriorate and they are likely, in the longer term, to need i likely, in the longer term, to need more _ likely, in the longer term, to need more social— likely, in the longer term, to need more social care, _ likely, in the longer term, to need more social care, more _ likely, in the longer term, to need more social care, more health- more social care, more health services _ more social care, more health services and _ more social care, more health services. and we _ more social care, more health services. and we are - more social care, more health services. and we are in- more social care, more health services. and we are in this i more social care, more health- services. and we are in this vicious cycle _ services. and we are in this vicious cycle we — services. and we are in this vicious cycle. we really— services. and we are in this vicious cycle. we really need _ services. and we are in this vicious cycle. we really need to _ services. and we are in this vicious cycle. we really need to look - services. and we are in this vicious cycle. we really need to look at i services. and we are in this viciousl cycle. we really need to look at the whole _ cycle. we really need to look at the whole system _ cycle. we really need to look at the whole system-— whole system. michelle, a last thouuht whole system. michelle, a last thought from _ whole system. michelle, a last thought from you. _ whole system. michelle, a last thought from you. it _ whole system. michelle, a last thought from you. it is - whole system. michelle, a last. thought from you. it is obviously part of this equation, the welfare of your staff, their mental health, their wages, that in itself is an issue, isn't it?— issue, isn't it? yeah, it is. we have recently _ issue, isn't it? yeah, it is. we have recently employed i issue, isn't it? yeah, it is. we have recently employed a - issue, isn't it? yeah, it is. we have recently employed a life | issue, isn't it? yeah, it is. we - have recently employed a life coach to help _ have recently employed a life coach to help some — have recently employed a life coach to help some of— have recently employed a life coach to help some of our— have recently employed a life coach to help some of our staff _ have recently employed a life coach to help some of our staff and - have recently employed a life coach to help some of our staff and that l to help some of our staff and that is working — to help some of our staff and that is working very _ to help some of our staff and that is working very well. _ to help some of our staff and that is working very well. the - to help some of our staff and that is working very well. the stuff- to help some of our staff and that�* is working very well. the stuff our staff 90 _ is working very well. the stuff our staff go through _ is working very well. the stuff our staff go through and _ is working very well. the stuff our staff go through and what - is working very well. the stuff our staff go through and what they. is working very well. the stuff ourl staff go through and what they see on a day-today— staff go through and what they see on a day—to—day basis, _ staff go through and what they see on a day—to—day basis, because i staff go through and what they see i on a day—to—day basis, because they are going _ on a day—to—day basis, because they are going into— on a day—to—day basis, because they are going into the _ on a day—to—day basis, because they are going into the homes— on a day—to—day basis, because they are going into the homes of- are going into the homes of customers, _ are going into the homes of customers, they— are going into the homes of customers, they are - are going into the homes of| customers, they are dealing are going into the homes of- customers, they are dealing with messy— customers, they are dealing with messy conditions, _ customers, they are dealing with messy conditions, people - customers, they are dealing with messy conditions, people on - customers, they are dealing with messy conditions, people on the| messy conditions, people on the floor. _ messy conditions, people on the floor. people _ messy conditions, people on the floor, people who _ messy conditions, people on the floor, people who have - messy conditions, people on the floor, people who have passed l messy conditions, people on the - floor, people who have passed away, that is _ floor, people who have passed away, that is a _ floor, people who have passed away, that is a irig — floor, people who have passed away, that is a big responsibility. _ floor, people who have passed away, that is a big responsibility. they- that is a big responsibility. they are long — that is a big responsibility. they are long workers _ are long workers as well. they are on their own and _ are long workers as well. they are on their own and have _ are long workers as well. they are on their own and have the - on their own and have the support of our wonderful supervisors. _ on their own and have the support of our wonderful supervisors. our- on their own and have the support of our wonderful supervisors. our life l our wonderful supervisors. our life coach _ our wonderful supervisors. our life coach that— our wonderful supervisors. our life coach that we _ our wonderful supervisors. our life coach that we are _ our wonderful supervisors. our life coach that we are paying _

our wonderful supervisors. our life coach that we are paying for- our wonderful supervisors. our life coach that we are paying for is - coach that we are paying for is working — coach that we are paying for is working wonders. _ coach that we are paying for is working wonders.— coach that we are paying for is working wonders. michelle, really interestin: working wonders. michelle, really interesting hearing _ working wonders. michelle, really interesting hearing your _ working wonders. michelle, really interesting hearing your insights. | interesting hearing your insights. thank you. and sarah, thank you for your time as well this morning. we will keep an eye on this story and we will talk about it. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london. earlier this week we brought you the story of scam artists to run bogus meet and greet card services around airports. one such rogue trader working around gatwick has been handed a suspended sentence and ordered to pay compensation, following an investigation by trading standards. muhammed muneeb amjad was the director of park direct gatwick limited, which misled holidaymakers to believe their cars were parked securely. instead, inspectors found between 200 and 300 cars parked closely together in a field, many of them unlocked. when we do get instances of this, we take it very seriously. the detriment is significant.

consumers are being significantly misled. and we'll take action through the courts, if necessary. average rents in london have risen by 14% a year, averaging around £2,000 a month. there are also more than triple the number of tenants inquiring as there are rental properties available, according to rightmove. the royal institution of chartered surveyors said that over half of estate agents expect rents to rise in the next three months, the highest proportion since its records started in 1999. plans for a major upgrade ofjunction 10 of the m25 have been approved by the transport secretary. it involves widening the motorway and the adjoining a3 around the junction. the area currently has one of the highest recorded collision rates across england's main roads. if you're heading out on public transport this morning, this is how tfl services are looking right now. the london overground isn't running between surrey quays and clapham junction at the moment. but the tube is all good right now apart from that ongoing

closure of the bank branch of the northern line. good news though — it will reopen monday morning. and for all the latest travel news where you are, tune into your bbc local radio station for regular updates throughout the morning. time for a look at the weather now with elizabeth. hello, good morning. with high—pressure dominating, there's lots of dry weather to talk about across the capital over the next couple of days or so. plenty of sunshine too, and it will start to feel warmer but it may not be a completely dry weekend. we are expecting some heavy, possibly thundery, downpours to move northwards on saturday night into sunday. for today, though, it is looking dry. it's locally been quite a chilly start to the morning, but of course sunrise was at 5.15 earlier on, so it's been up for a while now. lots of sunshine around throughout the morning. some fairweather cloud developing as we head through the afternoon. and we stop at a fairly brisk and noticeable westerly wind blowing. temperatures will be higher than they were yesterday, peaking at around 20 to maybe as high as 22 celsius. through this evening and overnight again it's looking dry. lots of long clear spells around and temperatures dropping back into high single figures for most into saturday morning. a lot more sunshine around on saturday, and again it's looking dry during the daylight hours.

temperatures could be slightly higher too, but as we head through saturday night watch out for those showers moving northwards. they'll still be around possibly throughout the day on sunday, which is looking a bit cooler with more of an easterly wind. that's it from me for now — i'm back with more from the newsroom in half an hour. there's plenty more on our website at the usual address. now its back to naga and charlie. bye for now. hello, this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. the time is 8.31. after long delays — and at much greater cost than expected — the new elizabeth line will open in london later this month. katy austin is there

for us this morning. katy, those escalators haven't been used very much yet at all, but the idea is they will be filled with throngs of people soon enough? yes. throngs of people soon enough? yes, that's right- — throngs of people soon enough? yes, that's right. good _ throngs of people soon enough? 13:3 that's right. good morning from beneath central london, i'm 3a metres underground inside one of the new stations that will open on the 24th of may on the elizabeth line, the result of the crossrail project. building on this, one of the platforms is just there to my right, and building it all has been a massive undertaking. the point is to increase capacity, cutjourney times and give more people quick access to central london. there have been delays and costs have ballooned, but finally it is nearly here. the train now standing on platform a is your elizabeth line service to abbey wood. no one is getting on or offjust yet, but this new railway is getting ready for its first paying passengers. the line will link shenfield in essex to reading in berkshire via central london, although the full timetable and seamless end—to—end travel won't be in place until next year. it will initially run in three separate parts.

from the 24th of may the section between paddington and abbey wood will run monday to saturday with a train every five minutes. this is one of the escalators that takes you down onto the platforms at the new liverpool street station, and it's when you come down here that you get a sense of the scale of the project and the size of these stations. and when passengers come down and get onto the trains they'll be 200 metres long and they can carry up to 1,500 people at any one time. final preparations for opening have included testing various scenarios, including evacuations. building this railway has been an extremely complex project, involving a huge feat of engineering. one expert told me, despite the delays, it's an achievement to celebrate. the trains are very modern, air—conditioned. there's platform doors. the stations are absolutely like cathedrals. this is really a transforming moment, both for london and for the railways. 70% of the cost has been funded by london and 30% by central government.

the pandemic means that for now passenger numbers won't be as high as first predicted, but those behind this project hope the elizabeth line will deliver a genuine boost to london, the south—east of england and beyond. this train is now ready to depart. please stand clear of the doors. mind the closing doors, please. well, there is still lots of work going on behind the scenes to make sure everything is absolutely ready for the 24th of may. other signage is up, looking new and shiny as you can see, andjoining me is is up, looking new and shiny as you can see, and joining me is andy who is in charge of london's transport networks. good morning. this was meant to open in 2018, wasn't it? why has it taken so long? has meant to open in 2018, wasn't it? why has it taken so long?- meant to open in 2018, wasn't it? why has it taken so long? as you can

see, this why has it taken so long? as you can see. this is — why has it taken so long? as you can see. this is a — why has it taken so long? as you can see, this is a huge _ why has it taken so long? as you can see, this is a huge incredibly - see, this is a huge incredibly complex— see, this is a huge incredibly complex railway, and it is notjust a standard — complex railway, and it is notjust a standard railway but what we call a standard railway but what we call a digital _ a standard railway but what we call a digital railway, the uk's first digitat— a digital railway, the uk's first digital railway and one of the first in the _ digital railway and one of the first in the world. everything connected together — in the world. everything connected together. 41 fully accessible stations and these ten cathedral -tike _ stations and these ten cathedral —like stations in the centre of the city. _ —like stations in the centre of the city. and — —like stations in the centre of the city, and three signalling systems that will— city, and three signalling systems that will whisk customers from essex in the _ that will whisk customers from essex in the east _ that will whisk customers from essex in the east out to berkshire in the west— in the east out to berkshire in the west in— in the east out to berkshire in the west in unprecedented journey times. initially. _ west in unprecedented journey times. initially, years ago we were talking about 250 million passengers using the elizabeth line by 2026. passenger habits have really changed in the pandemic, haven't they? now those predictions are more like 130 to 179 passengers. do we still need a new really like wanstead? i would sa , a new really like wanstead? i would say, unquestionably, _ a new really like wanstead? i would say, unquestionably, yes _ a new really like wanstead? i would say, unquestionably, yes -- - a new really like wanstead? i would say, unquestionably, yes -- more l say, unquestionably, yes —— more like say, unquestionably, yes —— more tike130 _ say, unquestionably, yes —— more tike130two— say, unquestionably, yes —— more like 130 two 170 million passengers. this will— like 130 two 170 million passengers. this will transform travel times across— this will transform travel times across the _ this will transform travel times across the south—east and will connect — across the south—east and will connect with the primary financial

centres _ connect with the primary financial centres of— connect with the primary financial centres of london, namely canary whart— centres of london, namely canary wharf and — centres of london, namely canary wharf and the city to our international gateway at heathrow, but will _ international gateway at heathrow, but will have huge benefits being felt across the whole of the uk, something like a £42 billion injection to the uk economy so this is a game _ injection to the uk economy so this is a game changer for the uk as well as london— is a game changer for the uk as well as london and the south—east. thank as london and the south-east. thank ou ve as london and the south-east. thank you very much _ as london and the south-east. thank you very much for — as london and the south-east. thank you very much for your— as london and the south-east. thank you very much for your time - as london and the south-east. thank you very much for your time this - you very much for your time this morning, andy. you are on the elizabeth line, the final countdown to opening is firmly on. studio: katy, thanks so much. the time now is 8.36. it's been five years since footballer andy woodward went public with revelations about sexual abuse he suffered as a youth player under coach barry bennell. the story sent shock waves through the footballing world and lifted the lid on a national scandal of abuse in the sport. now a new feature—length drama brings his fight for justice to the small screen. victoria derbyshire has been following the story since 2016 and has this report.

in 2016 andy woodward, a former professional footballer from crewe, bury and sheffield united took the huge and courageous decision to waive his anonymity and talk to the guardian and to bbc television about the sexual abuse he endured as a boy at the hands of his football coach, barry bennell. right now i'm 43 years of age, and ifeel after a large amount of therapy and the best therapy that i've ever had — i've had it a number of times over the years — that i feel i've got the inner strength to come out, and all i want to do is help other people. he was abused hunderds of times over a four—year period. it began when he was 11 years of age. in the days that followed other men came forward to tell me they, too, had been abused. as nine—year—olds, is ten—year—olds, by their coaches. the impact was huge. the nspcc set

“p the impact was huge. the nspcc set up a hotline with the football association and received more than 860 calls from across the country in the first week. as young boys growing up in the 70s and 80s, none of them ever talked about what happened, eitherto of them ever talked about what happened, either to each other or to their mums and dads. the men i spoke to all told me their lives had been wrecked. some turned to drink, some tried to take their own lives. but finally telling the world what had happened to them as youngsters had been a release and a relief. it also led to convictions. in 2018 bennett was sentenced to 31 years in prison for 50 counts of child sexual abuse. other paedophiles from southampton to newcastle were jailed as well. it was football's biggest child sexual abuse scandal. an independent review of what happened found that the fa could and should have done more to

keep children safe. victoria derbyshire, bbc news. and we can speak now to andy woodward. good morning. how are you? very nood, good morning. how are you? very good. thank _ good morning. how are you? very good. thank you- _ good morning. how are you? very good, thank you. the _ good morning. how are you? very good, thank you. the reason - good morning. how are you? very good, thank you. the reason i - good morning. how are you? very good, thank you. the reason i ask| good, thank you. the reason i ask that is i have _ good, thank you. the reason i ask that is i have watched _ good, thank you. the reason i ask that is i have watched this - good, thank you. the reason i ask that is i have watched this drama | that is i have watched this drama and i cannot recommend it highly enough because it is a very powerful piece of television, but what i saw of the actor who played you, and what you think of his performance, tjy what you think of his performance, by the way? psion are amazing, both actors. yes, of barry bennell by the way? psion are amazing, both actors. yes, of barry bennett and of you, of course. what i saw was a man, young by obviously, who then grew into a man who gradually decay -- they were amazing, both actors. like my keeper _ -- they were amazing, both actors. like my keeper trade _ -- they were amazing, both actors. like my keeper trade that - -- they were amazing, both actors. i like my keeper trade that immensely until he _ like my keeper trade that immensely until he became ui. now -- like my keeper trade that immensely until he became ui. nov— until he became ui. now -- and he ortra ed until he became ui. now -- and he portrayed that _ until he became ui. now -- and he portrayed that immensely - until he became ui. now -- and he portrayed that immensely until- until he became ui. now -- and he portrayed that immensely until he | portrayed that immensely until he became. and talking to victoria in the bbc, that was the turning point.

are you good now? that the bbc, that was the turning point. are you good now?— the bbc, that was the turning point. are you good now? at this moment in time i'm stronger _ are you good now? at this moment in time i'm stronger than _ are you good now? at this moment in time i'm stronger than i _ are you good now? at this moment in time i'm stronger than i have - are you good now? at this moment in time i'm stronger than i have ever - time i'm stronger than i have ever been _ time i'm stronger than i have ever been in _ time i'm stronger than i have ever been in nry— time i'm stronger than i have ever been in my life. i really mean that. looking _ been in my life. i really mean that. looking back over the last six years. — looking back over the last six years. you _ looking back over the last six years, you know, iwas looking back over the last six years, you know, i was still vulnerable then, when i look back, and it— vulnerable then, when i look back, and it has— vulnerable then, when i look back, and it has been an education, the last six— and it has been an education, the last six years, through that. it has been _ last six years, through that. it has been a _ last six years, through that. it has been a very— last six years, through that. it has been a very tough time. i have had some _ been a very tough time. i have had some very— been a very tough time. i have had some very dark moments. when you reveal— some very dark moments. when you reveal something like that and you are the _ reveal something like that and you are the whistle—blower for it there is a lot— are the whistle—blower for it there is a lot of— are the whistle—blower for it there is a lot of responsibility on yourself, _ is a lot of responsibility on yourself, and throughout those dark nronrents. _ yourself, and throughout those dark moments, and i mean really dark, but i moments, and i mean really dark, but i have _ moments, and i mean really dark, but i have come _ moments, and i mean really dark, but i have come through that and i am all about— i have come through that and i am all about the light and i am now in all about the light and i am now in a very— all about the light and i am now in a very tight— all about the light and i am now in a very light place. i am very bright _ a very light place. i am very bright i_ a very light place. i am very bright. i have my faith, and i am pushing — bright. i have my faith, and i am pushing forward now. i feel the strongest — pushing forward now. i feel the strongest i have ever felt in my entire — strongest i have ever felt in my entire life _ strongest i have ever felt in my entire life. i�*ll strongest i have ever felt in my entire life-— entire life. i'll be honest with ou, entire life. i'll be honest with you. andy. — entire life. i'll be honest with you. andy. we _ entire life. i'll be honest with you, andy, we knew- entire life. i'll be honest with you, andy, we knew you - entire life. i'll be honest with | you, andy, we knew you were entire life. i'll be honest with - you, andy, we knew you were coming in this morning and i didn't know what kind of person we were going to welcome into the studio here, and sit down, and as soon as you came in the room here the thing you kind of alluded to there of how you feel, your spirit inside you, no

exaggeration, it is leaping out of you. i exaggeration, it is leaping out of ou. .., , y exaggeration, it is leaping out of ou. , i-.. exaggeration, it is leaping out of ou. , , ., . ., you. i feel completely balanced now in life. i you. i feel completely balanced now in life- i am — you. i feel completely balanced now in life. i am very _ you. i feel completely balanced now in life. i am very spiritual _ you. i feel completely balanced now in life. i am very spiritual and - you. i feel completely balanced now in life. i am very spiritual and i - in life. i am very spiritual and i do believe _ in life. i am very spiritual and i do believe the stars have aligned for me _ do believe the stars have aligned for me and i really do feel very batanced — for me and i really do feel very balanced and everything that i do stop in — balanced and everything that i do stop i'm very focused and committed, i'm stop i'm very focused and committed, in verym _ stop i'm very focused and committed, i'm very... what is so unique about this, _ i'm very... what is so unique about this, i_ i'm very... what is so unique about this, i have — i'm very... what is so unique about this, i have nry— i'm very... what is so unique about this, i have my sister in the background there.- this, i have my sister in the background there. your sister is behind the _ background there. your sister is behind the cameras _ background there. your sister is behind the cameras there. - background there. your sister is behind the cameras there. and | background there. your sister is i behind the cameras there. and us background there. your sister is - behind the cameras there. and us is a famil , behind the cameras there. and us is a family. my — behind the cameras there. and us is a family. my mum. _ behind the cameras there. and us is a family, my mum, us— behind the cameras there. and us is a family, my mum, us is— behind the cameras there. and us is a family, my mum, us is a - behind the cameras there. and us is a family, my mum, us is a family, l a family, my mum, us is a family, we have _ a family, my mum, us is a family, we have been— a family, my mum, us is a family, we have been through more than most famities— have been through more than most families can go through, but what is great _ families can go through, but what is great as— families can go through, but what is great as i_ families can go through, but what is great as i have my family and my close _ great as i have my family and my close friends now that i have selected _ close friends now that i have selected because over the last six years— selected because over the last six years there have been a lot of people — years there have been a lot of people that have not been so nice, but i _ people that have not been so nice, but i am _ people that have not been so nice, but i am now where i have this close unit of— but i am now where i have this close unit of people around me that i feel stronger— unit of people around me that i feel stronger than ever and we are strong as a family. — stronger than ever and we are strong as a family, stronger than we have ever been — as a family, stronger than we have ever been. do as a family, stronger than we have ever been-— ever been. do you get a sense of ride, ever been. do you get a sense of pride. andy. _ ever been. do you get a sense of pride, andy, because _ ever been. do you get a sense of pride, andy, because what - ever been. do you get a sense of pride, andy, because what you i ever been. do you get a sense of - pride, andy, because what you know now since you went public with what

happened to you, that it has changed a great deal within our sport —— within how sport is regulated, the waiters looked at, or the kind of rules and regulations, the scrutiny. do you get pride from that? does that give you satisfaction? i do you get pride from that? does that give you satisfaction?- that give you satisfaction? i think at the moment _ that give you satisfaction? i think at the moment i _ that give you satisfaction? i think at the moment i am _ that give you satisfaction? i think at the moment i am not - that give you satisfaction? i think at the moment i am not in - that give you satisfaction? i think at the moment i am not in a - at the moment i am not in a position _ at the moment i am not in a position i_ at the moment i am not in a position... i think in a few years' time, _ position... i think in a few years' time, because i am not finished yet, this is— time, because i am not finished yet, this is the _ time, because i am not finished yet, this is the second phase. the first one was— this is the second phase. the first one was education because it was a huge _ one was education because it was a huge story— one was education because it was a huge story that came out and there is a lot— huge story that came out and there is a lot that — huge story that came out and there is a lot that has been done and there _ is a lot that has been done and there is— is a lot that has been done and there is a — is a lot that has been done and there is a lot that hasn't been done and now— there is a lot that hasn't been done and now with this film what i want to do— and now with this film what i want to do now— and now with this film what i want to do now is — and now with this film what i want to do now is pushed forward. after all that, _ to do now is pushed forward. after attthat, i'tt— to do now is pushed forward. after allthat, i'll look to do now is pushed forward. after all that, i'll look back and i feel that i_ all that, i'll look back and i feel that i will— all that, i'll look back and i feel that i will look back and go, there is a legacy— that i will look back and go, there is a legacy there, to protect children. _ is a legacy there, to protect children, and also to help adults and throughout all industries, because — and throughout all industries, because it is notjust about football, _ because it is notjust about football, notjust about because it is notjust about football, not just about sport. because it is notjust about football, notjust about sport. it is about— football, notjust about sport. it is about everybody that suffers any kind of— is about everybody that suffers any kind of abuse. you is about everybody that suffers any kind of abuse.— kind of abuse. you mentioned your sister there- _ kind of abuse. you mentioned your sister there. when _ kind of abuse. you mentioned your sister there. when we _

kind of abuse. you mentioned your sister there. when we do - kind of abuse. you mentioned your| sister there. when we do interviews like this it is all about you, obviously, but we are talking about the film and i asked you how are you now, and obviously the phase you are in you are able to have this film go out. what about the rest of your family? to be fair, your mum and dad, they are portrayed in the film, but it focuses pretty much on you. how has the rest of the family felt about this being put out?- about this being put out? yeah, it has been difficult. _ about this being put out? yeah, it has been difficult. what _ about this being put out? yeah, it has been difficult. what is - about this being put out? yeah, it has been difficult. what is ironic. has been difficult. what is ironic with it. — has been difficult. what is ironic with it, when i first came about this. _ with it, when i first came about this. it — with it, when i first came about this. it has _ with it, when i first came about this, it has been four use in the making. — this, it has been four use in the making, and i got the go—ahead from expectation _ making, and i got the go—ahead from expectation is that, yes, we're going — expectation is that, yes, we're going to — expectation is that, yes, we're going to do it, and my dad has motoneuron disease, and ten minutes later i_ motoneuron disease, and ten minutes later i got— motoneuron disease, and ten minutes later i got a _ motoneuron disease, and ten minutes later i got a phone call from my mum saying _ later i got a phone call from my mum saying my— later i got a phone call from my mum saying my dad had died, at that moment — saying my dad had died, at that moment. that was a pinnacle moment and i moment. that was a pinnacle moment and i took— moment. that was a pinnacle moment and i look back and i think, he waited — and i look back and i think, he waited for— and i look back and i think, he waited for me to do that and now as a family— waited for me to do that and now as a family we — waited for me to do that and now as a family we are stronger than ever and. _ a family we are stronger than ever and. yeah. — a family we are stronger than ever and. yeah. it— a family we are stronger than ever and, yeah, it is hard but the way it is portrayed — and, yeah, it is hard but the way it

is portrayed around families as well. _ is portrayed around families as well, because it wasn'tjust is portrayed around families as well, because it wasn't just about me. well, because it wasn't just about me it _ well, because it wasn't just about me it has — well, because it wasn't just about me it has a — well, because it wasn't just about me. it has a ripple effect around families — me. it has a ripple effect around families. it's near enough destroyed our family— families. it's near enough destroyed our family but now we are all closer than we _ our family but now we are all closer than we have ever been since we were children _ than we have ever been since we were children can— than we have ever been since we were children. . . r' than we have ever been since we were children. . ., ,~' i. than we have ever been since we were children. . ., i. ~ , children. can i ask you, andy, when this drama — children. can i ask you, andy, when this drama comes _ children. can i ask you, andy, when this drama comes out _ children. can i ask you, andy, when this drama comes out there - children. can i ask you, andy, when this drama comes out there is - children. can i ask you, andy, whenj this drama comes out there is every chance there will be somebody somewhere watching it and it will prompt may be a revelation, maybe it will make them think about something they haven't thought about for a long time? and that has already happened, no doubt, for a lot of people, but it may well happen again. are you confident that the atmosphere around things has changed that has made it better for people to come forward, that they have places to go, that there is not so much hostility as they might have been before? i much hostility as they might have been before?— much hostility as they might have been before? i think when i broke the story obviously _ been before? i think when i broke the story obviously it _ been before? i think when i broke the story obviously it changed - been before? i think when i broke the story obviously it changed a l been before? i think when i broke l the story obviously it changed a lot till the story obviously it changed a lot titt -- _ the story obviously it changed a lot titt -- an _ the story obviously it changed a lot till —— an awful lot and even to this— till —— an awful lot and even to this day— till —— an awful lot and even to this day there is still so much more that needs — this day there is still so much more that needs to be done, and i will campaign — that needs to be done, and i will campaign. iam that needs to be done, and i will campaign. i am stronger than i have ever been—

campaign. i am stronger than i have ever been and this isjust campaign. i am stronger than i have ever been and this is just the start. — ever been and this is just the start. but— ever been and this is just the start, but i do encourage people to speak. _ start, but i do encourage people to speak. you — start, but i do encourage people to speak, you know, on a daily basis. even _ speak, you know, on a daily basis. eveniust_ speak, you know, on a daily basis. evenjust this last speak, you know, on a daily basis. even just this last week i have spoken— even just this last week i have spoken to _ even just this last week i have spoken to people and still people are coming out even to me and saying. — are coming out even to me and saying. "it— are coming out even to me and saying, "it happens to me", and all i do saying, "it happens to me", and all i do is _ saying, "it happens to me", and all i do is encourage but some people have to _ i do is encourage but some people have to keep it to themselves and that is— have to keep it to themselves and that is ok — have to keep it to themselves and that is ok for them but what i do is encourage — that is ok for them but what i do is encourage. when people do watch this film, encourage. when people do watch this fitm. it— encourage. when people do watch this film. it is— encourage. when people do watch this film, it is the layers of what you io film, it is the layers of what you go through— film, it is the layers of what you go through as a victim and also the families. _ go through as a victim and also the families, and it is an educational film as— families, and it is an educational film as well. i really do believe that _ film as well. i really do believe that so — film as well. i really do believe that so i — film as well. i really do believe that. so i hope people do, you know, have the _ that. so i hope people do, you know, have the courage to speak out more and, have the courage to speak out more and. you _ have the courage to speak out more and, you know, this isjust a wave. the film _ and, you know, this isjust a wave. the film is — and, you know, this isjust a wave. the film is one thing and then it is moving _ the film is one thing and then it is moving forward with that. how much consultation — moving forward with that. how much consultation did _ moving forward with that. how much consultation did you _ moving forward with that. how much consultation did you have _ moving forward with that. how much consultation did you have with - moving forward with that. how much consultation did you have with the i consultation did you have with the film with the process? i consultation did you have with the film with the process?— consultation did you have with the film with the process? i was with it from the very _ film with the process? i was with it from the very start. _ film with the process? i was with it from the very start. you _ film with the process? i was with it from the very start. you know, - film with the process? i was with it from the very start. you know, i i film with the process? i was with it | from the very start. you know, i had written _ from the very start. you know, i had written my— from the very start. you know, i had written my book, then straight afterwards i had to then go ahead and do _ afterwards i had to then go ahead and do the — afterwards i had to then go ahead and do the screen right with matt, which _ and do the screen right with matt, which was — and do the screen right with matt, which was very hard to do that,

back—to—back, but throughout it... like mac— back—to—back, but throughout it... like mac and — back—to—back, but throughout it... like mac and also to trust someone to do— like mac and also to trust someone to do that — like mac and also to trust someone to do that. sol like mac and also to trust someone to do that. so i am absolutely. —— and also _ to do that. so i am absolutely. —— and also to— to do that. so i am absolutely. —— and also to trust someone. it is very different when it is your word and a bit, and editor, but when someone is taking their experience, you have none of that, to put on screen. so i am i had trust in the producer grant and he has been an integral part with producer grant and he has been an integral pa— integral part with me along this 'ourne integral part with me along this journey and. — integral part with me along this journey and. you _ integral part with me along this journey and, you know, - integral part with me along this journey and, you know, like - integral part with me along this| journey and, you know, like you integral part with me along this - journey and, you know, like you say, the trust _ journey and, you know, like you say, the trust is _ journey and, you know, like you say, the trust is huge. trust is the biggest — the trust is huge. trust is the biggest thing when you have suffered what i _ biggest thing when you have suffered what i have suffered as a child. i was what i have suffered as a child. was going what i have suffered as a child. i was going to say, it can't automatically come to you. ida. was going to say, it can't automatically come to you. no, it doesnt automatically come to you. no, it doesn't but _ automatically come to you. no, it doesn't but i _ automatically come to you. no, it doesn't but i had _ automatically come to you. no, it doesn't but i had my _ automatically come to you. no, it doesn't but i had my trust - automatically come to you. no, it doesn't but i had my trust in - automatically come to you. no, it doesn't but i had my trust in matt and the _ doesn't but i had my trust in matt and the team and i have been through that process, because even though matt is— that process, because even though matt is a _ that process, because even though matt is a great writer he has not lived _ matt is a great writer he has not lived my— matt is a great writer he has not lived my life, so that was really important — lived my life, so that was really important to me, to get that, to make _ important to me, to get that, to make sure — important to me, to get that, to make sure those layers are there within— make sure those layers are there within the — make sure those layers are there within the film that really did get the essence, because i am like so many— the essence, because i am like so many other— the essence, because i am like so many other boys that went through that process. well they can identify themselves. and all boys really that i themselves. and all boys really that i now—

themselves. and all boys really that i now men— themselves. and all boys really that i now men that are suffering. clearly — i now men that are suffering. clearly what happened to you has been kind of like a narrative for your life. do you get the chance now to kind of be who you want to be? that you kind of redefine... i know it's not going away, not a suggestion of that. but are you getting the chance to sort of be the person you're wanting to be? i am now. person you're wanting to be? i am now- you — person you're wanting to be? i am now. you know, _ person you're wanting to be? i am now. you know, within _ person you're wanting to be? i am now. you know, within the last six years. _ now. you know, within the last six years. there — now. you know, within the last six years, there were periods where, you know. _ years, there were periods where, you know. kind _ years, there were periods where, you know. kind of — years, there were periods where, you know, kind of look back and i've not even _ know, kind of look back and i've not even started — know, kind of look back and i've not even started yet. moving forward, you can _ even started yet. moving forward, you can see — even started yet. moving forward, you can see the power in me, can't you? _ you can see the power in me, can't you? moving— you can see the power in me, can't you? moving forward, and i've only started _ you? moving forward, and i've only started i_ you? moving forward, and i've only started. i have a lot more to reveal. _ started. i have a lot more to reveal. not _ started. i have a lot more to reveal, not now at this moment in time. _ reveal, not now at this moment in time. and — reveal, not now at this moment in time, and this is not the space to do it. _ time, and this is not the space to do it. but— time, and this is not the space to do it. but it — time, and this is not the space to do it, but it is like, "don't silence _ do it, but it is like, "don't silence me", because i am ready and i'm silence me", because i am ready and i'm ready— silence me", because i am ready and i'm ready to— silence me", because i am ready and i'm ready to move forward and push forward _ i'm ready to move forward and push forward and — i'm ready to move forward and push forward and i feel solace in myself. to my _ forward and i feel solace in myself. to my last — forward and i feel solace in myself. to my last breath i will with this. and this — to my last breath i will with this. and this is — to my last breath i will with this. and this is my destiny and this is why i_ and this is my destiny and this is why i am —

and this is my destiny and this is why i am still sat here at now. i have _ why i am still sat here at now. i have been— why i am still sat here at now. i have been in some very dark places but this— have been in some very dark places but this is— have been in some very dark places but this is my destiny and i enjoy this now— but this is my destiny and i enjoy this now because this is what i want to do _ this now because this is what i want to do i_ this now because this is what i want to do i want — this now because this is what i want to do. i want to speak out, i want to do. i want to speak out, i want to speak— to do. i want to speak out, i want to speak to— to do. i want to speak out, i want to speak to people, encourage others — to speak to people, encourage others. that is how i am. it is lovely having _ others. that is how i am. it is lovely having you _ others. that is how i am. it is lovely having you here - others. that is how i am. it 3 lovely having you here today. i think it is nice your sister is here, albeit in the background. my senseis here, albeit in the background. my sense is that you probably didn't really need her. you are doing pretty well on your own. and really need her. you are doing pretty well on your own. and bless my sister- — pretty well on your own. and bless my sister- ln _ pretty well on your own. and bless my sister. in terms _ pretty well on your own. and bless my sister. in terms of— pretty well on your own. and bless my sister. in terms of my - pretty well on your own. and bless my sister. in terms of my sister i pretty well on your own. and bless my sister. in terms of my sister it| my sister. in terms of my sister it wasn't _ my sister. in terms of my sister it wasn'tjust— my sister. in terms of my sister it wasn'tjust me who my sister. in terms of my sister it wasn't just me who went through this _ wasn't just me who went through this she — wasn't just me who went through this. she was only 13. but that is her story. — this. she was only 13. but that is her story, for her to tell, and she is in _ her story, for her to tell, and she is in a _ her story, for her to tell, and she is in a position now where she does want _ is in a position now where she does want to— is in a position now where she does want to tell— is in a position now where she does want to tell her story.— want to tell her story. because of her relationship _ want to tell her story. because of her relationship with _ want to tell her story. because of her relationship with barry i want to tell her story. because of. her relationship with barry bennell, right, ok. it will come and it will be told, i'm sure. thank you so much, andrew. thank you. floodlights will air on bbc two on tuesday may 17th at 9pm and will of course be on bbc iplayer

said as the weather. a bit of a change. if you are hoping for a bit of rain for change. if you are hoping for a bit of rainforyour change. if you are hoping for a bit of rain for your gardens, particularly where it has been a bit dry you might well see on saturday night into sunday but for the hero now, another dry day. this was northamptonshire this morning. not dry across the board. rain across the north of scotland. most places today seeing spells of sunshine and a windy field to the weather down to the fact we have high pressure to the fact we have high pressure to the south, low pressure to the north and a bit of a squeeze in these eyes about to driving the breeze in a westerly or south—westerly direction. over the past few hours it has been raining already across north—western scotland. the odd spot of drizzly rain to watch the pennines as well. most of that rain is pushing northwards and eastwards, heading up towards orkney and shetland and just the odd spot for the western isles, for instance. southern spells coming through here and long spells of sunshine further south. we have that breeze which will take the edge of the temperatures but it will feel warm,

22 or 23 degrees towards the south—east. cooler under that cloud, just 12 in stornoway through the afternoon. into the evening hours, the winds light. a pleasant evening, late sunshine for most of us. light winds and clear skies, the recipe for a few misty and mucky patches to form during the early hours of saturday and temperature fell to about 7—11 first thing. high pressure is not far away for the weekend but through the weekend you will notice the blue and green colours moving their way from south to north and that is that thundery breakdown we are expecting during saturday night. much of saturday looks fine and dry, long spells of sunshine. a little less breezy than today and more blue sky for scotland and northern ireland for today as well. perhaps a bit more cloud across the far north but not as the shower is moving in across the channel islands during the middle half of the afternoon. the afternoon. head of that about 14—22 but it is really through saturday evening we start to see these downpours working in from the south

and they will be hit and miss, not if you are catching them but we could well see some hail, torrential rain, thunderand could well see some hail, torrential rain, thunder and lightning as well through saturday night. into sunday, still some of those downpours of rain but they will be hit and miss, drifting their way northwards and perhaps one or two night into northern scotland and northern ireland but i think the bulk of the heavy rain in parts of england and wales. some sanjin in between, feeling quite warm and humid particularly towards the south. 22 degrees or so —— some sunshine in between. this breeze from the east on sunday. a little next to the course of the weekend. a quick look to the first part of next week, still unsettled and some rain around on monday but then it looks drier and also warm and humid into tuesday. back to you both. sarah, thanks so much, and as you saw there the weekend is pretty good. you might be interested in that if you are a football fan. yes, fa cup final weekend and two great guests

coming up for final weekend and two great guests coming upforyou. this fa cup final weekend will be one for the history books in more ways than one. not only is it the 150th anniversary of the first men's fa cup final, but wembley will be playing host to the men's and women's finals on the same weekend for the first time. ahead of a huge weekend, for the men and women, let's speak to former england and newcastle captain alan shearer, yourself a two—time fa cup finalist, and england's most capped england player, fara williams, an fa cup winner in 2010. i will start with you, alan, as someone who has played in fa cup final stop my i won't mention you didn't actually wind one! how important to have the men's and women's finals on the same weekend at the same time? —— you didn't actually win one. at the same time? -- you didn't actually win one.— at the same time? -- you didn't actually win one. you had to do it, didn't you? _ actually win one. you had to do it, didn't you? look _ actually win one. you had to do it, didn't you? look upon _ actually win one. you had to do it, didn't you? look upon this - actually win one. you had to do it, didn't you? look upon this lovely l didn't you? look upon this lovely sunday morning —— friday morning and you remind me i lost to my fa cup final is! two great teams. chelsea, for obvious reasons, they have struggled in the league. liverpool still have a real opportunity of

winning four trophies so clearly, they have met three times already this season. three draws, liverpool winning on penalties in the cup final. i think it will be tight again tomorrow, not much to choose from. �* again tomorrow, not much to choose from. . , ., again tomorrow, not much to choose from. �* , ., . again tomorrow, not much to choose from. �* ,, . . again tomorrow, not much to choose from. . ., ., ~ , from. and you are an fa cup winner of course. — from. and you are an fa cup winner of course. fara. _ from. and you are an fa cup winner of course, fara, just _ from. and you are an fa cup winner of course, fara, just to _ from. and you are an fa cup winner of course, fara, just to remind i of course, fara, just to remind everybody, as well as being on the same weekend! set to be a record crowd for the women plus my fa cup final. how significant it is on the same again? it final. how significant it is on the same again?— final. how significant it is on the same auain? , . , . same again? it is really exciting -- for the women's _ same again? it is really exciting -- for the women's fa _ same again? it is really exciting -- for the women's fa cup _ same again? it is really exciting -- for the women's fa cup final. i same again? it is really exciting -- for the women's fa cup final. we l for the women's fa cup final. we have _ for the women's fa cup final. we have seen— for the women's fa cup final. we have seen how much investment has been put _ have seen how much investment has been put in — have seen how much investment has been put in over the last couple of years— been put in over the last couple of years so— been put in over the last couple of years so it — been put in over the last couple of years so it is — been put in over the last couple of years so it is really exciting. to have _ years so it is really exciting. to have it — years so it is really exciting. to have it on _ years so it is really exciting. to have it on the same weekend as the men and _ have it on the same weekend as the men and the chance to see both men and women _ men and the chance to see both men and women in the fa cup final, and hopefully— and women in the fa cup final, and hopefully chelsea have a good result on the _ hopefully chelsea have a good result on the saturday and fans will buy my tickets _ on the saturday and fans will buy my tickets because so many have been sold for— tickets because so many have been sold for the sunday game and hopefully they are still excited from _ hopefully they are still excited from the saturday game that they will buy— from the saturday game that they will buy some to come on the sunday as well _ will buy some to come on the sunday as well we _ will buy some to come on the sunday as well. ~ . . will buy some to come on the sunday as well. ~ . , , . , ., as well. we are seeing pictures of the chelsea _ as well. we are seeing pictures of the chelsea women _ as well. we are seeing pictures of the chelsea women and _ as well. we are seeing pictures of the chelsea women and they i as well. we are seeing pictures of the chelsea women and they are l as well. we are seeing pictures of i the chelsea women and they are going for the double, but manchester city have been one of the four teams ——

in teams over the second half of the season at least. as i is what makes it so exciting. they only met previously this season in it so exciting. they only met previously this season- previously this season in the continental _ previously this season in the continental cup _ previously this season in the continental cup final - previously this season in the continental cup final where i continental cup final where manchester city won. both teams important, chelsea have just won the league. _ important, chelsea have just won the league, manchester city have climbed their way— league, manchester city have climbed their way up league, manchester city have climbed theirway up the league, manchester city have climbed their way up the table after a really— their way up the table after a really poor start to the season and they are _ really poor start to the season and they are probably the team in form at the _ they are probably the team in form at the moment. forthe they are probably the team in form at the moment. for the neutral it will be _ at the moment. for the neutral it will be fantastic and for the women plus my— will be fantastic and for the women plus my game i think it will be a great _ plus my game i think it will be a great spectacle. a plus my game i think it will be a great spectacle.— great spectacle. a lovely story because we — great spectacle. a lovely story because we have _ great spectacle. a lovely story because we have lauren i great spectacle. a lovely story because we have lauren and l great spectacle. a lovely story i because we have lauren and rhys james, a brother and sister who could both win fa cup winners medals for their household on the same weekend! . , . . ., weekend! that will be exciting. both fantastic players. _ weekend! that will be exciting. both fantastic players. rhys _ weekend! that will be exciting. both fantastic players. rhys james - weekend! that will be exciting. both fantastic players. rhys james at i fantastic players. rhys james at chelsea — fantastic players. rhys james at chelsea is hugely important for them and we _ chelsea is hugely important for them and we have seen how the performances of chelsea dipped when he wasn't _ performances of chelsea dipped when he wasn't involved, and for lauren james. _ he wasn't involved, and for lauren james. she — he wasn't involved, and for lauren james, she is the future of the women's — james, she is the future of the women's game in england, fantastic young _ women's game in england, fantastic young player with so much potential and she _ young player with so much potential and she is— young player with so much potential and she is in good hands at chelsea

with emma — and she is in good hands at chelsea with emma hayes and hopefully we can see the _ with emma hayes and hopefully we can see the very— with emma hayes and hopefully we can see the very best of her in the future — see the very best of her in the future. �* . see the very best of her in the future. . . �* , ., see the very best of her in the future. . . 2 ., . ,, ., future. alan, let's go back to the saturday match, _ future. alan, let's go back to the saturday match, liverpool i future. alan, let's go back to the saturday match, liverpool and i saturday match, liverpool and chelsea, of course a repeat of the league cup final that went to that ridiculously long penalty shoot—out. can we expect goals from open play in normal time this time or do you think equally as tight? ida. in normal time this time or do you think equally as tight?— think equally as tight? no, i think it will be very _ think equally as tight? no, i think it will be very tight. _ think equally as tight? no, i think it will be very tight. chelsea i think equally as tight? no, i think it will be very tight. chelsea were | it will be very tight. chelsea were cup finals, as we know, liverpool should be full of confidence after their season that they are having, so there is nothing to choose from. i think it will be a really tight game and i wouldn't be surprised at all if it went to extra time and then again penalties. it all if it went to extra time and then again penalties.- all if it went to extra time and then again penalties. it would mean so much for— then again penalties. it would mean so much for both _ then again penalties. it would mean so much for both teams, _ then again penalties. it would mean so much for both teams, of- then again penalties. it would mean so much for both teams, of course, | so much for both teams, of course, but forjurgen klopp, hard to believe, a first fa cup final, and, 0k, believe, a first fa cup final, and, ok, slim chance now, to do the quadruple?— 0k, slim chance now, to do the quadruple? yes, it is incredible. the still quadruple? yes, it is incredible. they still have _ quadruple? yes, it is incredible. they still have that _ quadruple? yes, it is incredible. they still have that opportunityl quadruple? yes, it is incredible. l they still have that opportunity of winning the four trophies. we know that over the years it has tended to weaken sides out, he has tended to

put weaken sides out in fa cup, with the size of their squad this season and the number of good players they have had, it is the reason they are still going really well and still have that opportunity of creating history. so i'm sure he will switch it around again tomorrow with the options he has got, particularly up front so it will be really interesting to see who he is going to start but whoever he does let's hope there are goals from both teams and for the neutral it is a great game, it should be a great occasion and a great weekend.— and a great weekend. jurgen klopp will feel the _ and a great weekend. jurgen klopp will feel the magic _ and a great weekend. jurgen klopp will feel the magic of _ and a great weekend. jurgen klopp will feel the magic of the _ and a great weekend. jurgen klopp will feel the magic of the fa i and a great weekend. jurgen klopp will feel the magic of the fa cup i will feel the magic of the fa cup for the first time, the final. you played on it twice, some lovely pictures of you in 1999 when newcastle face manchester united. it has been a brilliant season for the cup, lots of shocks. what is it? charlie is taken aback by your picture they are, but to get back to the question what is it about this competition worldwide that makes it such a special day for the players? take us through it. it is such a special day for the players? take us through it.— take us through it. it is 150 years old this weekend. _ take us through it. it is 150 years old this weekend. mike, - take us through it. it is 150 years old this weekend. mike, you i take us through it. it is 150 years i old this weekend. mike, you might remember the first cup final. you

were around. remember the first cup final. you were around-— were around. nearly! laughter _ laughter it isjust magical. laughter it is just magical. well, laughter it isjust magical. well, it laughter it is just magical. well, it is only magical if you can get to wembley and win it. it is not magical, and i am proof of that, that if you get to wembley and come away with nothing. that hurts, it is not magical at all, and it really hurts, but for the team that walks away, that started out all those months ago and have put so much into it, to walk away with that medal and that trophy, it will be very, very special. yeah, i trophy, it will be very, very special. yeah, lam trophy, it will be very, very special. yeah, i am looking forward to it. it is known all around the world, wherever you go, everyone wants to talk about the fa cup and tomorrow will be one of those reasons why. tomorrow will be one of those reasons why-— tomorrow will be one of those reasons why. alan, charlie here. love seeing _ reasons why. alan, charlie here. love seeing that _ reasons why. alan, charlie here. love seeing that picture - reasons why. alan, charlie here. love seeing that picture of- reasons why. alan, charlie here. love seeing that picture of you l reasons why. alan, charlie here. | love seeing that picture of you in the tunnel. i love a bit of tunnel talk. that way you like when you are facing off the team... —— what were you like? give a sense of the alan shearer approach. you like? give a sense of the alan shearerapproach. did you like? give a sense of the alan shearer approach. did you look at the other guys? what was the vibe? i am old school, traditional. i look

at the players in the tunnel now shaking hands before the game and wishing each other the best of luck. they don't mean it at all, so it is pointless, shaking hands and saying good luck to someone. you want them to have an absolute stinker. i was pretty mean, pretty horrible in the tunnel. ijust stared down the tunnel, wanted to get out and get out and play football and forget all that nonsense of shaking hands and saying good luck to everyone. you know what — saying good luck to everyone. you know what it _ saying good luck to everyone. you know what it is _ saying good luck to everyone. you know what it is like to lift the fa cup in 2010 with everton, fara. what were you like in the tunnel and what was that feeling like to be a cup winner? tell alan what it feels like. laughter i am so happy i stayed on waiting 30 minutes for you guys! ida. i am so happy i stayed on waiting 30 minutes for you guys!— minutes for you guys! no, i think alan is right- _ minutes for you guys! no, i think alan is right. the _ minutes for you guys! no, i think alan is right. the fa _ minutes for you guys! no, i think alan is right. the fa cup - minutes for you guys! no, i think alan is right. the fa cup is i alan is right. the fa cup is magical. _ alan is right. the fa cup is magical, especially when you win it. i magical, especially when you win it. i was _ magical, especially when you win it. i was that— magical, especially when you win it. i was that before winning it in 2010 with everton i had done three previous— with everton i had done three previous fa cups on the bounce where i had previous fa cups on the bounce where i had lost. _ previous fa cups on the bounce where i had lost. so— previous fa cups on the bounce where i had lost, so lucky for me and i

think— i had lost, so lucky for me and i think it — i had lost, so lucky for me and i think it was _ i had lost, so lucky for me and i think it was special when i won it at wembley with arsenal, walking the stairs as _ at wembley with arsenal, walking the stairs as a _ at wembley with arsenal, walking the stairs as a kid, always went to matches — stairs as a kid, always went to matches and watch the men doing it, so the _ matches and watch the men doing it, so the female, to work the steps and pick up _ so the female, to work the steps and pick up that— so the female, to work the steps and pick up that trophy was super special — pick up that trophy was super special. as for the tunnel, i used to come — special. as for the tunnel, i used to come at— special. as for the tunnel, i used to come at last, i would be the last one out— to come at last, i would be the last one out and — to come at last, i would be the last one out and i wouldn't get involved with any— one out and i wouldn't get involved with any other players, as alan said. _ with any other players, as alan said. just — with any other players, as alan said, just at the back and walk out as casual— said, just at the back and walk out as casual as — said, just at the back and walk out as casual as i could.— as casual as i could. special moment. — as casual as i could. special moment, memories - as casual as i could. special moment, memories for i as casual as i could. special i moment, memories for arsenal as casual as i could. special - moment, memories for arsenal and yourself. moment, memories forarsenaland yourself. brilliant talking to you and alan. we love you, and fara of course as well. hopefully no offence taken. ., , ., course as well. hopefully no offence taken. ., i. course as well. hopefully no offence taken. ., ., taken. love you too can and we will see ou taken. love you too can and we will see you tomorrow! _ taken. love you too can and we will see you tomorrow! brilliant! - see you tomorrow! brilliant! studio: enjoy _ see you tomorrow! brilliant! studio: enjoy it _ see you tomorrow! brilliant! studio: enjoy it all, - see you tomorrow! brilliant! i studio: enjoy it all, everyone. see you tomorrow! brilliant! - studio: enjoy it all, everyone. fara and alan, thank you very much. the time now is 8.59. let's ta ke let's take a brief look at the headlines where you are.

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