tv The Papers BBC News May 25, 2022 10:30pm-10:46pm BST
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and i worry at the moment that the leadership does not appear to have that. and the sue gray report isjust one little item of lots of things aren't right. downing street might hope this is blowing over, keen to move on, but the question for many will be, what damage has already been done? alex forsyth, bbc news, surrey. that's it. now on bbc one, time for the news where you are. have a very good night. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be
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bringing us tomorrow. with me are lord darroch, former british ambassador to the united states who also served as national security advisor under david cameron, and mo hussein, former conservative advisor. let's run through some of the front pages. all the papers lead on the same story — the sue gray report into parties during lockdown at downing street. the financial times describes the prime minister as "damaged but unbowed" after the publication of lurid details of the events — but says a move against him by tory mp5 is unlikely. the guardian gives some of those details — drinking, a fight and vomiting — and also gives the pm's explanation that he didn't know the extent of what was happening. the metro quotes a message from the pm's private secretary martin reynolds, who referred to getting away with it. the i sums it up as �*failures of leadership�*, and points out that people at the parties made fun of cleaners and security staff who tried to intervene.
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the telegraph asks why the report author sue gray declined to investigate an event at boris johnson's flat, known as the �*abba party�*. the daily mail takes a very different approach — saying new pictures in the report are not as damning than many expected. the paper asks �*is that it?�*. the sun it says partygate is over and it urges the government to get on with helping people through the cost of living crisis. the well, quite a variety of front pages, but one story... let�*s start off with lord daroch. did borisjohnson get away with it, in your view? i thought there were no new clear facts orjudgements that meant that he was going to face an immediate haemorrhaging of support from tory
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mps and an early vote on his leadership. so, he did in that sense, but as you yourself said, it�*s a pretty lurid picture that is painted of the number ten under his leadership. with parties happening, almost weekly, it seems, an extraordinarily heavy drinking and karaoke and fights and puking. so in that sense, i think as it sinks in, you may find some more conservative mps saying they lost confidence, one or two said this afternoon. i don�*t know. i think he�*s kind of on probation. it can still go wrong for him, but i think the thing gets kids down the road now —— kicked down the road to two events. one is the
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privileges committee and report. i think it�*s quite a wild fall back. this story won�*t die quickly. the other is these two forthcoming by—elections, where if the tories lose both badly, that brings more pressure. perhaps he�*s only getting away for it for a while. we pressure. perhaps he's only getting away for it for a while.— away for it for a while. we will see. mo hussein, _ away for it for a while. we will see. mo hussein, is _ away for it for a while. we will see. mo hussein, is that- away for it for a while. we will i see. mo hussein, is that parley? away for it for a while. we will - see. mo hussein, is that parley? so many of the facts have come out in dribs and drabs of the media. pictures, facts, details about these parties. pictures, facts, details about these arties. ., pictures, facts, details about these arties. . ., ~ . , parties. yeah, i do think that is -la in: parties. yeah, i do think that is playing quite _ parties. yeah, i do think that is playing quite a _ parties. yeah, i do think that is playing quite a big _ parties. yeah, i do think that is playing quite a big part. - parties. yeah, i do think that is playing quite a big part. a - parties. yeah, i do think that is playing quite a big part. a lot l parties. yeah, i do think that is| playing quite a big part. a lot of it is already there. we all pretty much _ it is already there. we all pretty much knew that the laws had been broken. _ much knew that the laws had been broken, we had an awareness of how many— broken, we had an awareness of how many events— broken, we had an awareness of how many events there were and the rough details _ many events there were and the rough details of— many events there were and the rough details of them, but i think what this report — details of them, but i think what this report does show is a lot more
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colour— this report does show is a lot more colour and — this report does show is a lot more colour and a — this report does show is a lot more colour and a lot more of the context that perhaps was lacking before, and whilst _ that perhaps was lacking before, and whilst there may not be any particular blockbuster act or headline in this, i do think it reminds— headline in this, i do think it reminds people of all the things that they weren't actually doing. there's— that they weren't actually doing. there's been a bit of overacting. this was— there's been a bit of overacting. this was always a sue gray's report, and it— this was always a sue gray's report, and it was going to be factual. but ithink— and it was going to be factual. but lthihk one — and it was going to be factual. but i think one thing that is quite interesting which is slightly odd with what has been said today is that there — with what has been said today is that there was an awareness of what was happening was wrong. when you read the _ was happening was wrong. when you read the report, it talks about people — read the report, it talks about people being told to perhaps go out the hack_ people being told to perhaps go out the back door to be mindful of the media, not— the back door to be mindful of the media, not carry bottles of line. so, media, not carry bottles of line. so. i_ media, not carry bottles of line. so. i don't — media, not carry bottles of line. so, i don't think it's people thinking _ so, i don't think it's people thinking they were working —— bottles — thinking they were working —— bottles of— thinking they were working —— bottles of wine.
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thinking they were working -- bottles of wine.— thinking they were working -- bottles of wine. lets going to the guardian. lord darroch, all in the days work, so the prime minister, and they say borisjohnson it�*s insisted he was oblivious to the culture of partying. i�*m assuming you know the number ten building pretty well. there were always offices next door. he can�*t be expected to know everything. is that a credible explanation?— everything. is that a credible explanation? everything. is that a credible exlanation? . ., ~ . explanation? yeah, i worked in that buildin: for explanation? yeah, i worked in that building for three _ explanation? yeah, i worked in that building for three and _ explanation? yeah, i worked in that building for three and half - explanation? yeah, i worked in that building for three and half years - building for three and half years between 2004—2007, and i was actually working in the cabinet office. there are hundreds of offices there, but the parties were taking place in some of the large spacesin taking place in some of the large spaces in number ten, whether in the large office area where the press
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spokespeople sit or potentially in one of the cabinet rooms. and those spaces tend to be on the main thoroughfares are wrong the building. —— around the building. i�*m not saying it�*s impossible, but it slightly stretches security to say the prime minister could walk from his private apartment down to his office, past some of those large spaces after parties had taken place. gatherings had taken place and not noticing the bins overflowing with bottles in this kind of thing. it�*s a bit of a stretch, but i think we�*ll get a lot more scepticism about this in the next few days. m0 more scepticism about this in the next few days— more scepticism about this in the next few days. mo was saying, one thin he next few days. mo was saying, one thing he said it _ next few days. mo was saying, one thing he said it was _ next few days. mo was saying, one thing he said it was it's _ next few days. mo was saying, one thing he said it was it's part - next few days. mo was saying, one thing he said it was it's part of - thing he said it was it�*s part of his role of leadership to say goodbye to hard—working staff. but it kind of struck me, you could just
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say goodbye to them one to one and say goodbye to them one to one and say thank you very much for your work. he didn�*t have to be in the context of the gathering with alcohol. . . ~ , context of the gathering with alcohol. . . ,, , , alcohol. yeah, and i think this is the difference _ alcohol. yeah, and i think this is the difference between - alcohol. yeah, and i think this is the difference between normal | alcohol. yeah, and i think this is - the difference between normal times and during _ the difference between normal times and during a pandemic. in normal times, _ and during a pandemic. in normal times, it — and during a pandemic. in normal times, it is — and during a pandemic. in normal times, it is quite reasonable, but you probably would have some kind of leaving _ you probably would have some kind of leaving events. i spent a few years working _ leaving events. i spent a few years working there as well, and people would _ working there as well, and people would leave, probably would have been _ would leave, probably would have been some kind of speech given. but in a pandemic, when you are the people _ in a pandemic, when you are the people making the rules for everybody else, i think you have to be everybody else, i think you have to he even _ everybody else, i think you have to be even more cautious and hold yourself— be even more cautious and hold yourself to— be even more cautious and hold yourself to even more scrutiny around these things. i think it has around these things. i think it has a slightly— around these things. i think it has a slightlyjarred with people because there's a lot of people saying. — because there's a lot of people saying, "we lost ourjobs, we left ourjobs, — saying, "we lost ourjobs, we left ourjobs, we _ saying, "we lost ourjobs, we left ourjobs, we didn't have... we probably— ourjobs, we didn't have... we probably had something on zoom to say goodbye." a lot of people who didn't get— say goodbye." a lot of people who didn't get to say goodbye to their loved _ didn't get to say goodbye to their loved ones who unfortunately died. i
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think that _ loved ones who unfortunately died. i think that kind of comment will come back to _ think that kind of comment will come back to bite _ think that kind of comment will come back to bite the prime minister and it will— back to bite the prime minister and it will really, really be at odds with the — it will really, really be at odds with the experience of many people during _ with the experience of many people during the _ with the experience of many people during the pandemic. let�*s with the experience of many people during the pandemic.— during the pandemic. let's look at the mail. is that it? this is the front page, i�*m sure forced onto the like to read in the morning. his enemies salivated at the prospect of sue agree —— a sue gray skewering him. there are sandwiches and juice, but there are pictures with loads of alcohol. there are some photographs with the prime minister raising his glass in this kind of thing. look, there will be people, quite a lot of people, who will think, let�*s get this and move on. in a sense, as mo said, the sue gray report was overhyped perhaps because it wasn�*t likely to
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contain big new fax that hadn�*t emerge before, given the stories been chewed over a list of now. but will the public opinion, it does take the view in the end that this is it very much adding to things to move on. we will see what the conservative party does. it was striking, just the description of the culture in number ten and just how much drinking and partying... does the prime minister set that culture? could this have been in a number ten under another prime minister? ~ ., �* minister? well, i don't recall... i worked in _ minister? well, i don't recall... i worked in and _ minister? well, i don't recall... i worked in and around _ minister? well, i don't recall... i worked in and around there - minister? well, i don't recall... i worked in and around there for. minister? well, i don't recall... i - worked in and around there for three different prime ministers, and none of them would have been comfortable
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with or oblivious to, i think, this description of what was going on. i have no reason to doubt sue gray used to work in the office next to me, so i know her personally. she�*s extremely rigorous. so i�*m sure her report is accurate and i don�*t think some of those i worked her would have tolerated this, and it�*s nothing like the number ten that i experienced in my career. so, it does feel pretty extraordinary. but we�*ll see whether the general public or the conservative party take the same view. or the conservative party take the same view— same view. mo, let's look at the telegraph- _ they focus on the so—called abba party, saying that sue gray admitted abandoning her investigation, saying it was not appropriate or proportionate. should she have looked at that as well? i she have looked at that as well? i think it was quite surprising that
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she didn't — think it was quite surprising that she didn't. the expectation was that she didn't. the expectation was that she would _ she didn't. the expectation was that she would because this again was presented as a work event, but it happened — presented as a work event, but it happened after hours. we're told it was a _ happened after hours. we're told it was a job— happened after hours. we're told it was a job interview, there is food and alcohol— was a job interview, there is food and alcohol there. i think at a time when lots — and alcohol there. i think at a time when lots of people were working from _ when lots of people were working from home, so their home was their place _ from home, so their home was their place of— from home, so their home was their place of work. they probably weren't having _ place of work. they probably weren't having work— place of work. they probably weren't having work meetings and they didn't think they— having work meetings and they didn't think they could and have people over _ think they could and have people over so. — think they could and have people over so. i— think they could and have people over. so, ithink think they could and have people over. so, i think it raises questions _ over. so, i think it raises questions as to why it wasn't investigated and there doesn't seem to be investigated and there doesn't seem to he nruch— investigated and there doesn't seem to be much clarity around that. it's one thing — to be much clarity around that. it's one thing that could cause this to slightly— one thing that could cause this to slightly unravel similarly the prime minister— slightly unravel similarly the prime minister was asked several times whether— minister was asked several times whether he had the direct... or applied — whether he had the direct... or applied some kind of pressure on this _ applied some kind of pressure on this i_ applied some kind of pressure on this idon't— applied some kind of pressure on this. i don't think we really got a this. idon't think we really got a clear— this. i don't think we really got a clear answer on that either, so it nray— clear answer on that either, so it may feel— clear answer on that either, so it may feel like... aside from the things— may feel like... aside from the things we — may feel like... aside from the things we spoke about in terms of the parliamentary committee, i think
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there are _ the parliamentary committee, i think there are few questions around this report— there are few questions around this report that — there are few questions around this report that over the next few days, more _ report that over the next few days, more nray— report that over the next few days, more may well be set on.— more may well be set on. quick question. _ more may well be set on. quick question. do — more may well be set on. quick question, do you _ more may well be set on. quick question, do you think- more may well be set on. quick question, do you think he'll - more may well be set on. quickj question, do you think he'll still question, do you think he�*ll still be leader in the next election? i be leader in the next election? i don't think that will be the case. i think he's— don't think that will be the case. i think he's safe for the moment, nrostly— think he's safe for the moment, mostly because there is an obvious success— mostly because there is an obvious success -- — mostly because there is an obvious success -- no— mostly because there is an obvious success —— no obvious successor to take _ success —— no obvious successor to take over — success —— no obvious successor to take over the _ success —— no obvious successor to take over. the chancellor was in the frame _ take over. the chancellor was in the frame and _ take over. the chancellor was in the frame and his fortunes have slightly fallen, _ frame and his fortunes have slightly fallen, trut— frame and his fortunes have slightly fallen, but the more direct this drags— fallen, but the more direct this drags on— fallen, but the more direct this drags on post by—election, post—local council elections, i do think— post—local council elections, i do think the — post—local council elections, i do think the silence of mps who haven't been calling him to go, but haven't exactly— been calling him to go, but haven't exactly been the most supportive is actually _ exactly been the most supportive is actually quite a dangerous position to he _ actually quite a dangerous position to he in. _ actually quite a dangerous position to be in, and that may be the skill. mentioninq — to be in, and that may be the skill. mentioning the chancellor, it takes is very neatly to the telegraph because my other story. —— the other
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story. every household in the country to get further reductions in a windfall tax. that�*s going to be unveiled by the chancellor tomorrow. this is seen as some, cynically perhaps, as an attempt to move on very quickly and rapidly from the whole partygate saga.— very quickly and rapidly from the whole partygate saga. yeah, i think the chancellor _ whole partygate saga. yeah, i think the chancellor and _ whole partygate saga. yeah, i think the chancellor and the _ whole partygate saga. yeah, i think the chancellor and the government| the chancellor and the government had to do this, and i think it�*s embarrassing for them, but it�*s been clear for weeks that they will have to introduce a windfall tax despite early resistance to it. and do more. particularly with this new figure of nearly the energy price being raised almost £3000. i don�*t think it�*s cynical to say it�*s been brought up to change the new cycle tomorrow. it looks very obviously it�*s been rushed through to try and give a new
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story to the newspapers and the media tomorrow. and i would guess, this is speculative, that the treasury and the chancellor aren�*t thrilled about having this rushed through. so, ithink thrilled about having this rushed through. so, i think they would rather have held it back, but they have to do it. the problem is, i don�*t think it�*s anything enough to metre eight the tidal wave of bad news that will hit individual families over the next few months. mo hussein, quickly, simonjack, our business editor saying this package of support is going to cost £10 billion. partly financed by an in —— a windfall tax, and the government will knock hundreds of pounds off all energy bills this winter. there
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