tv Dateline London BBC News May 28, 2022 11:30am-12:01pm BST
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former us president, donald trump, dismisses calls for gun reform but says the us should prioritise funding for school security over aid to ukraine. in ukraine, officials warn it may need to withdraw from the eastern region of luhansk, to avoid their soldiers being captured by russian forces. latin america reports its first case of monkeypox — as the world health organization warns the number of infections will continue to rise. and in sport, liverpool and real madrid fans descend on paris — to support their teams in the final of european club football's most prestigious prize. now on bbc news — it's time for dateline london, with shaun ley.
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hello and welcome to the programme which brings together columnists from uk newspapers with the foreign correspondents who write, blog and broadcast to audiences in their home country from the dateline: london. this was the week when sue gray delivered her report into whether downing street partied during the covid lockdowns — did the gray report deliver? we learnt the likely impact of surging energy prices — a doubling of the numbers in fuel poverty in the uk. the goverment�*s answer to it — throw money at the problem. is it proportionate — or inflationary? and what about those other sharply rising bills: is inflation stalking the globe? to discuss all that, in the studio are: the american journalist stephanie baker, a senior writer with bloomberg markets. steve richards, a political
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commentator who presents the podcast rock and roll politics; and ian martin, who founded and edits the news website reaction, and is a columist for the times. straight in. at the end of the week, much predicted and much debated, where is the prime minister's position now? he has survived. all this hype about sue grey, an official conducting about these parties and in the end, the report and didn't exonerate him but let them off the hook it's a classic borisjohnson situation where he just sort of delays, creates confusion, we all felt we knew what was in the report by the end and her conclusion was fairly bland and he is free again. in that sense, the survivals was to be a week that if this had been a month ago, it might bring them down. but he just gets away with it again, which borisjohnson always seems to have a knack of doing. i think underneath the surface,
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there's more complexity than that big shifts in british politics going on personally that i think you'll start to see the beginning of not a settled consensus but does people saying to each other, in and around whitehall and the media in the uk that there is a labour government coming because even though it has a finished of borisjohnson, it has trashed the tory brand and trashed his personal brand i think it's going to be very difficult for them to recover longer—term and he may attempt to fight the next general election but abortion members as a personality, i side with them years ago on the telegraph, boris is very much in terms of getting to the next day in particular scrapes so at the end of this week, he'll be pretty please the survived. should he be? in my view, no but my view was an and irrelevant. we brought you on here
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to hear your opinion. he made the rules, broke the rules and in the view of many, lied about doing so. but the thing is, why has he survived, given that? and it's worth remembering that british prime ministers rarely offer their own resignation. harold wilson did it and no—one else in modern times. and therefore, i think it is wholly unsurprising that he is still there. prime ministers, when they are in deep trouble, reach the conclusion that it's within the national interest that they carry on and he has reached that. but why are those who owning a position not sharing that view, have not, as they have done before, acted on it? that is the other interesting question and they have done this before with margaret thatcher. she had won three elections and ruled for 11 years.
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this was two and a half years after he won them a huge majority. so, again, i think it's unsurprising at this point that the tory mps have not moved to topple him and this is a weird conservative parliamentary party. lots of people are there new to national politics and it is a very big thing to topple a prime minister. so, i'm not surprised he still there. i don't think it's this, he's a genius of getting out of holes, he follows a pattern very familiar in british politics. that doesn't mean tory mps might still move against him because in my view, trivial as that is, what is so transparently appalling is otis will notice and that may lead to things. the tory tribe is divided. it does know what to do. the reason mps have not moved against him in sufficient numbers as they're not sure who would replace him.
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a few months ago, that might�*ve been rishi sunak, but rishi sunak has taken a huge knock and the face of these economic problems, so there is potential successors but not obvious front runner and so they are waiting. and there's a part of the tribe that believe that ultimately, he is a winner and that force in the past is always kind of weird that and somehow, they can throw these problems and they don't want to remove someone who has extraordinary charisma and is proven themselves a winner and one brexit, by a majority in 2019 and given one last go. i think that approach is a bit misguided because the view that is settling in with voters of this trust is so serious that ultimately, i think is going to be very hard for him to bounce back and win the next election. polls are a snapshot of the opinion
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that the times and after the report and they suggested that the service 65% of voters think borisjohnson should resign and this is all voters so regardless of which party support. they are a snapshot of a passing mood that it may not matter but if there is snapshot of his shift based on the perceptions of the prime minister, then they really ought to worry. the thing that surprised me is that you did not have more tory mps. standing up in parliament - criticising him, given what we all know is the public mood on this. you had some mps come out afterwards make the statements and criticise - him but using the floor of thousands commons, they seem _ to shy to do this. and i think the real-
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test will come when this parliamentary committee convenes. the privileges committee. that he may have missed that parliament. to determine whether or not he intentionally misled - parliament and left to testify against the committee. - what about the culture of government? i was interested by weight a very seniorfigure in parliament said a very deep mistrust and this toxic culture that is seemed to have active in downing street and he worried about and this report, the criticism of the civil as it is in the sue grey report, whether there is a sense that this is damaged, notjust an individual party but is damaged the practice of government. that's a reality of the british
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system that is to reflect the personality of whoever is prime minister and boris is, let's face it, a fairly shambolic figure. and i think what the sue gray report revealed is that a lot of those officials make quite like boris in a chum way but they do not fear him. and it is impossible to imagine that culture that behaviour under margaret thatcher or theresa may or anyone since the war, goodness, churchill drink during the war of the staff number ten really respected him and thought they were doing something.
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given the excruciating. detail of drunken parties going on late into the night. and saying there should be a ban on drinking and saying that - boris johnson dismissed the ideal saying that britain never would've gone through world war ii - without drink to take off the strain and so, but i find very disturbing is this is a part of a broader- pattern and an alarming number of tory mps have run afoul - of the law and it's a real sign - of a party that it's been in power for too long and this is a to be the party of law and order - and this is what we get? the sounds hysterical but britain doesn't really have a functioning government at the moment by which the system only really works that only the person at the top knows exactly what they're doing and this
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flows through the system. the matter is really so much about the operation of government and the academics and also exposing the code of conduct in an article that he thought was a good chap version and they have the right values. and it can be distorted by those. it's quite an authority figure trying to get rid of harold wilson in 1969 when he employed a bigger majority. and would be talking about whether or not they would survive another eight years. and what makes us interesting is there's lots of moving parts you have number ten.
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and this is both a neurotic paranoid place and they would say yes, i've done it. we've gotten through it. they have tory mps talking to their constituencies of the weekend and party workers and that provides them with quite a cold reality. and one of us stephanie mentioned, the report coming up. by elections. there are a lot of moving parts which i'm sure number ten will brief the sunday papers on in the of the economic crisis and coming onto it and propelled the self—proclaimed fiscal conservative chancellor. and so, that is another fascinating ingredient which makes it incredibly hard to read. in a month's time, he looked at the same board could look very different.
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when it comes to borisjohnson, the other factors ukraine. that's the biggest factor in, follows to defend borisjohnson, not something i've done very often recently. his response and the uk response in alliance with the us and canada has been, if not exemplary, pretty close to it for standing up for ukraine. so the defender of borisjohnson would say what about the plane
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where he is leading well and it's in the middle of a geopolitical situation where he and his advisers called broadly and correctly. that's a big factor. does the british population care about that and where he has - and i agree, he has done - an exemplaryjob in leading british response to the war in ukraine but is the salient issue - the cost—of—living and the nhs. ukraine is not going to decide the next result of the general election. he both referred to rishi sunak sync his reputation is not what it was. hoped to salvage it but it certainly is an important announcement for in the uk was been concerned about the massive increase in energy bills and the cost of living. what do you make of that announcement and the implications of it because even on the conservative side, we are gratefulfor the money but we don't want to be the party responsible for doing this and throwing money at the problem. it is split the tourist down the middle with what you would call a one nation wing and actually liking the fact that the government
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is throwing money at the problem. i think ultimately those on the other side of the free market were saying, this is a ridiculous splurge, i think they're missing the point. but is about to be felt by the parsons country in the situation which is notjust unique to britain but the scale of what is coming, merit some kind of response in the windfall tax in 1981 in 1982 in the depths of the recession where people were hurting and i think there is a logic to it but people don't know how to respond to it. windfall tax, conservative, we want to it. and i were doing it giving it a different name. in essence, that is what it is. it's a slightly chaotic approach to the problem and that's the problem with the party, it's been very preoccupied
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with the war ukraine. when she had something to vote on, whether or not there should be, your neighbour should be building or changing their house next door to you, whether or not this is a good idea because it's too controversial for us to do it. so, the absence of if there's enough public anger about this, policy will follow that. you have in rishi sunak, the self—proclaimed fiscal conservative. and in a statement which was a minimalist approach to the economic crisis with him, borisjohnson was weak, he cannot be this, call me at roosevelt and spend, spend, spend and rishi sunak come within weeks is said to come back at the big package which has been acknowledged by the institute for fiscal studies as being pretty redistributive, targeting poor incomes and spending a lot of money and this used to be a reverse
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of the 19705 where we have the then prime minister and margaret thatcher leaping on it and the title waves moving right words in his direction. and are doing the same. and to seize the moment. that's where the biggest in the year or so. and fascinating, i think. in the market, you look at the broader picture rather through the political perspective. what are the markets making of the judgment of chancellors made and what other policymakers are facing similar problems, how are they reacting to not just the same problems but similar problems. this used to be stalking the globe.
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there's a feeling that if he had not acted, i i the risk of a recession would've i been hired because you are taking so much money out of the economy because they would not be up - to spend money on other things. broadly speaking, we are in this big| debate right now and are we headed for stagflation of the 19705. where you put high inflation? beginning of recession. and it's too early to say, - the outcome of the war in ukraine and how central banks will respond will have a bearing on that. - in one of the hallmarks - of stagflation in the hallmarks of 5tagflation and 705 as high unemployment which is - what we do not have right now. they don't have it in the uk or the united states. the been trying to basically hit a sweet spot where they try to curb inflation, but we do not drive business, drive businesses and seek joblessness going on. some economists are looking - at inflation already having cooling effect on the economy in some -
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respects and so, maybe inflation has | peaked but it's very hard to tell| how it's going to play out i think globally, the big? 15 what happens with china. the chinese economy is slowing down in a way that we haven't seen - for years and bloomberg - is projecting that china's economy will grow by only 2% this yearl and that the us would actually outpace chinese growth for the first time since the mid—19 705. - so, that just turns the whole global economy on its head and we have l not been here before. the vote counted on china .
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as the world economy 5aviour and it's facing some - really tough challenges. a big one is the demographicl challenges of their child policy which they reversed but it's going to take years to. - cream i can still have falling birth rates and the broader structural change shifting from coal to gas which will keep energy prices high. and so, that whole production of china overtaking the us - as the world global economy standards, i think that - may not happen now. in volatile inflation - if you look at the 19705, inflationjumped up and down quite a bit of a number of years. - so, even if it comes down in the next few months, l it can pop up again fairly soon- and i think the uk and ri5hi sunak, i what i would expect is he may have. to come back and spend more money. the interesting thing now but the uk economy is that there is a labour shortage
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and so, in the early 805, margaret thatcher could use unemployment as a way of controlling inflation. people were desperate to get jobs and take low—paid jobs to do back in. that mechanism is not available now. it is the opposite. they need to get people intojobs. to drive the economy that people hope will emerge from this and the economy that might make us more resilient to this type of pressure. those who opted out during covid—19 coming back into it. this is been a feature of the covid—19 economy is that people just stopped driving things like caps. 0pted out of the economy in the midst of the come back in. and you're right we make the china point because it's notjust that there's this huge shift with the word ukraine that undoes the global order. it also, we're at the end of essentially a 25 year process or model of how western economy is run. from globalisation to the globalisation and they are connected to ukrainian
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things and you start to see countries that are allies sticking together in shorter supply and lines of supply greater emphasis and trade security. that disruption and inflation which is something that is, i remember going thousand greenspan lecturing nearly 20 years ago and we lived in that period at the end of inflation and just something that is been banished in the method had been found for the economy was never too hard enough to court and thus the reality. i would do one sentence only. trade closer at home? brexit is another factor that the british economy, it was going to be a seismic shift. everyone acknowledges it's going to be a big shift.
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and that's another factor. we have opted not to maintain trade with people close to home in the same way and so, i believe that's another factor that you may disagree with the shortages of the labour market. and some are quite candid about this at the time. there will be changes and we are in a period of transition and we believe there is plan ahead ahead we don't know how we can chart the next one. and how that path looked six years ago. it would be ridiculous of some brexiteers did not admit that it's created some difficulties and created trade barriers and for me, is never really about that, it is by democratic fundamentals and greater autonomy. balanced and economic issues and the deal needs to be improved and so, if you look at to disasters that
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have been since brexit and both of them, covid—19 vaccines we should not overstate this spirit ukraine. you see evidence of the benefits of slightly of greater national autonomy. if it's a state of mind in a way of pursuing geopolitics. but on the issue, as an island, if this to globalisation, how best to do we cope with that. islands, getting people from outside. i would predict that five or ten years, it will be re—examining britain bringing down some of those trade barriers that's very difficult
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because the labour party will be accused of trying that in the site is going to be a labour government at some point in the next few years, of the attempt to do that, the try to reverse brexit but i think the direction of travel is heading back towards this. i think rishi sunak is under huge pressure due to this spending i and i think one of the things that he can do to show- that he is different from a labour. spending government is to change the tax system that encourages investment and he did this- with the windfall tax on oil and gas| companies but there so much more that he can do to change - the incentives and the tax systems and so that people are incentivised to invest because there is been - a terrible problem of low - productivity he could be board and come out with the susa proposals by theme and budget, _ i was suspect.
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in this budget and by the way, the globalisation on top of everything. what a half hour! the back at the same time next week. goodbye. hello there. it's not been too bad start to our weekend, has it? there is a good deal of dry weather out there, and a lot of sunshine. take a look at this. this was northamptonshire early on this morning. a glorious start to the day. this is a beautiful weather watchers picture sent in from highland scotland, but there is certainly more cloud around, and there have also been
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a few isolated showers as well. not quite as many as over the last couple of days, but still a bit of a nuisance, here. and we could see this cloud drifting in off the north sea, bringing a few showers as well to that east coast. so, further west, with lighter winds and minimum shelter, that is where we will see the best of the sunshine and the best of the warmth. top temperatures expected of 19 celsius. just that little bit cooler on exposed east coast, the winds, light, but starting to come from a northerly direction. as we go through the evening, however, the winds are set to strengthen, and that could drive further showers in line. we could see a line of organise showers developing across the north of england, the midlands, and eventually parts of east wales as well to start the day on sunday. single figures, so a chilly start, particularly when you factor in the winds starting to strengthen and the fact that it is coming in from the north, never a warm source, whatever the time of year. so, the blue tones denoting that cooler air starting to push even as far south as the midlands. on sunday, certainly more cloud around and we have seen in recent days and the risk of some showers,
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more frequent, right across the country. the temperatures will struggle, and we are likely to see there's northerly winds playing their part. in terms of the feel of the weather, a maximum of 15, maybe 16, if we are lucky, but that is subdued for this time of year, and noticeably cooler on these exposed east coasts. as we move out of sunday into monday, the high—pressure drifts away, allowing this load to move away which could bring further or longer spells of rain, particularly across the north and west on monday. a lot of cloud around on monday, and some of those showers could be quite slow moving as the winds fall lighter. top temperatures again 16 celsius and still a little bit disappointing, but we are likely to see a change developing on tuesday into wednesday. the winds pushing background to a south—westerly. dry for england and wales, more showers continue, further north and west.
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this is bbc news. these are the latest headlines in the uk and around the world. 0utrage as authorities in texas admit police were wrong to delay storming the school classroom, where a gunman killed 19 children and two teachers. the information i was given turned out, in part, to be inaccurate and i am absolutely livid about that. former us president, donald trump, dismisses calls for gun reform but says the us should prioritise funding for school security over aid to ukraine. we spent trillions in iraq, trillions in afghanistan. we got nothing. before we nation build the rest of the world, we should be building safe schools for our own children in our own nation.
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