this is bbc news, the headlines: france and germany have urged president putin to engage in peace talks as russia continues its ukranian offensive in the dombas. the russian ambassador to the uk has told the bbc that moscow will not use tactical nuclear weapons in the battle for ukraine. president biden has renewed his appealfor tighter gun controls, following the texas elementary school shooting. mr biden is due to visit the town of uvalde — where 19 children and two teachers were killed — as the families prepare for the first of this week's funerals. protests have erupted in rio dejaneiro, after the video of a black man being starved of air in the back of a police car caused shock and anger.

the incident has reignited the long running arguements about how society there treats black brazilians. now on bbc news, the media show, with ros atkins. hello. welcome to the media show. we will talk about partygate in this welcome to the media show. we will talk about partygate in this edition welcome to the media show. we will talk about partygate in this edition because welcome to the media show. we will talk about partygate in this edition because the investigation into what happened in downing street during various lockdowns is now out. the prime minister has been responding. the media is covering it and we will explore the role the media has played in the story from its beginnings in early december all the way through to this week of the report coming out. before we get to that, we also

going speak to anneka rice, because she is coming back to channel five! has been off our screens for 30 years but that period is over and she is with us. great to see you. it is very exciting because understand the media show has a small part in the comeback? it does because i love small part in the comeback? it does because i love the media show and i was listening to some journalists talking on channel five and i sat there thinking this is a man who runs on instinct and spontaneity and i had not come across that sort of spark for some time. i recognised it because when i first took challenge 30 years ago to the bbc, michael grade had that spark and i went with a whole new forward and he said that he trusted me and to go away and make it. that is rare. i recognise something. someone put ben and i together and the

rest is history! so thank you! i'll pass on my thanks, i can't take it myself and i have many questions about the return of challenge. we will get to that later in this edition on the media show, great to have you on it. but we will start with partygate because the sue grade report is out, borisjohnson had a press conference and responded to questions from mps from both sides of the floor and let's explore whether media fits into this story, with a columnist from the daily mail and a former editor of the sun and a former editor of the sun and now runs kitchen table partners and we have the broadcaster and journalist and former advisor to some senior labour party politicians. stephen, can i start with you? how do you assess the evolution of this story? i how do you assess the evolution of this story?— of this story? i think it is a triumph — of this story? i think it is a triumph for _ of this story? i think it is a triumph for old-fashioned| triumph for old—fashioned journalism and i would like to

talk about the story involving keir starmer and his alleged antics in durham. 0n keir starmer and his alleged antics in durham. on one hand we have a daily mirror, which basically as you say broke the partygate basically as you say broke the pa rtygate story basically as you say broke the partygate story and on the other hand we have the daily mail, which pursued the beergate four weeks, without many taking notice. for me it's a good example of how the partisan press can work in a democratic way. many people say that it democratic way. many people say thatitis democratic way. many people say that it is too partisan and too extreme and you need more fair mindedness in newspapers but it is only because the daily mirror so hated borisjohnson mirror so hated boris johnson that mirror so hated borisjohnson that it went off with this story with such energy, and it was only because the daily mail had similar feelings about keir starmer that it locked away at that story for weeks, even longer, before the rest of the media took it up. it is a good example of how newspapers, by being partisan, as long as they

have some sort of balance, one paper here in another paper balancing it, it can actually serve the democratic process surprisingly well. to serve the democratic process surprisingly well.— surprisingly well. to agree with that, _ surprisingly well. to agree with that, that _ surprisingly well. to agree with that, that the - surprisingly well. to agree | with that, that the partisan nature of some parts of the press is actually a crucial engine to this kind of journalism? i engine to this kind of journalism?- engine to this kind of “ournalism? ~ , ., , , journalism? i think! probably take a different _ journalism? i think! probably take a different view. - journalism? i think! probably take a different view. i - journalism? i think! probably take a different view. i thinkl take a different view. i think good — take a different view. i think good journalism is not about being — good journalism is not about being partisan. good journalism is about— being partisan. good journalism is about the old—fashioned type ofjournalism, which is taking the time, _ ofjournalism, which is taking the time, building up good contacts, putting the work in, checking _ contacts, putting the work in, checking that everything corroborates and we saw pippa creed — corroborates and we saw pippa creed to — corroborates and we saw pippa creed to a _ corroborates and we saw pippa creed to a fantasticjob and also — creed to a fantasticjob and also by— creed to a fantasticjob and also by castle which she worked on with— also by castle which she worked on with the guardian. itn news is not _ on with the guardian. itn news is not seen _ on with the guardian. itn news is not seen as a partisan part of stage _ is not seen as a partisan part of stage two, the whole brand

has done _ of stage two, the whole brand has done a greatjob and it points— has done a greatjob and it points to _ has done a greatjob and it points to the fact that number 10 is— points to the fact that number 10 is a — points to the fact that number 10 is a hit— points to the fact that number 10 is a bit shocked because there — 10 is a bit shocked because there are _ 10 is a bit shocked because there are sections of the press, _ there are sections of the press, particularly on the right, _ press, particularly on the right, who have been very supplicant to number 10 and i think— supplicant to number 10 and i think there have been quite shocked _ think there have been quite shocked at the tenacity with which — shocked at the tenacity with which a _ shocked at the tenacity with which a lot of these papers and broadcasters have stuck with a story— broadcasters have stuck with a story and — broadcasters have stuck with a story and i'm afraid i absolutely push back against some — absolutely push back against some false equivalence. 120 fines— some false equivalence. 120 fines at— some false equivalence. 120 fines at downing street versus one heer— fines at downing street versus one beer in durham, which the police — one beer in durham, which the police did _ one beer in durham, which the police did investigate. they said — police did investigate. they said nothing to say here. let's see what— said nothing to say here. let's see what they say but i think this is— see what they say but i think this is the daily mail kind of collaborating with number 10 to push _ collaborating with number 10 to push out — collaborating with number 10 to push out this false equivalence liner, _ push out this false equivalence liner, which i'm afraid does not — liner, which i'm afraid does not wash— liner, which i'm afraid does not wash with the public. stephen, i'm interested to ask about that. do you think the daily mail is collaborating with number 10 or putting across... it was our last year which broke all the stuff about

wallpaper gait at number 10. which was almost embarrassing to borisjohnson, stuff about the expense wallpaper and paid for it. for it. i think they are justified in going after keir starmer and the clearly there has some deceit there and people can make out of what they want. if you are right there are no equivalent then people will say, fine, it is much more serious what is happening in number 10 much more serious what is happening in number10 but much more serious what is happening in number 10 but i think many people are interested about what happened interested about what happened in affected durham police have reopened the case in keir starmer is very exercise about it. people will decide how important it is.— it. people will decide how important it is. david dillon, ou important it is. david dillon, you once _ important it is. david dillon, you once edited _ important it is. david dillon, you once edited the - important it is. david dillon, you once edited the sun - important it is. david dillon, you once edited the sun and j important it is. david dillon, - you once edited the sun and now you once edited the sun and now you are running a communications firm. how do you view, festival, the work the media has done on the story but also how it fits into the political persuasions of the different papers?—

political persuasions of the different papers? look, ithink there is no _ different papers? look, ithink there is no doubt _ different papers? look, ithink there is no doubt whatsoever i there is no doubt whatsoever that — there is no doubt whatsoever that there _ there is no doubt whatsoever that there is _ there is no doubt whatsoever that there is a _ there is no doubt whatsoever that there is a good - there is no doubt whatsoever that there is a good chunk. there is no doubt whatsoever that there is a good chunk of| that there is a good chunk of what — that there is a good chunk of what we _ that there is a good chunk of what we used _ that there is a good chunk of what we used to _ that there is a good chunk of what we used to call- that there is a good chunk of what we used to call fleet i what we used to call fleet street _ what we used to call fleet street has _ what we used to call fleet street has been— what we used to call fleetl street has been enforcing, what we used to call fleet - street has been enforcing, has been _ street has been enforcing, has been acting _ street has been enforcing, has been acting as _ street has been enforcing, has been acting as enforcer- street has been enforcing, has been acting as enforcer for- been acting as enforcer for downing _ been acting as enforcer for downing street. _ been acting as enforcer for downing street. there - been acting as enforcer for downing street. there is l been acting as enforcer fori downing street. there is no question— downing street. there is no question about _ downing street. there is no question about it. _ downing street. there is no question about it. the - downing street. there is no question about it. the daily| question about it. the daily mail— question about it. the daily mail is _ question about it. the daily mail is much _ question about it. the daily mail is much more - mail is much more professionally- mail is much more professionally run| mail is much more - professionally run than mail is much more _ professionally run than downing street — professionally run than downing street an — professionally run than downing street. an extremely _ professionally run than downing street. an extremely good - professionally run than downing street. an extremely good at i street. an extremely good at what — street. an extremely good at what he — street. an extremely good at what he does _ street. an extremely good at what he does but _ street. an extremely good at what he does but the - street. an extremely good at what he does but the fact- street. an extremely good at what he does but the fact is. what he does but the fact is when — what he does but the fact is when i _ what he does but the fact is when i countered _ what he does but the fact is when i countered this- what he does but the fact is- when i countered this morning, nine _ when i countered this morning, nine out — when i countered this morning, nine out of— when i countered this morning, nine out of i4— when i countered this morning, nine out of 14 splashes - when i countered this morning, nine out of 14 splashes were i when i countered this morning, nine out of 14 splashes were on keir— nine out of 14 splashes were on keir starmer, _ nine out of 14 splashes were on keir starmer, nine _ nine out of 14 splashes were on keir starmer, nine out - nine out of 14 splashes were on keir starmer, nine out of- nine out of 14 splashes were on keir starmer, nine out of 14? l keir starmer, nine out of 14? that— keir starmer, nine out of 14? that is— keir starmer, nine out of 14? that is an _ keir starmer, nine out of 14? that is an absolutely, - that is an absolutely, brilliantly _ that is an absolutely, brilliantly put - that is an absolutely, l brilliantly put together campaign _ brilliantly put together campaign and - brilliantly put together campaign and they. brilliantly put together campaign and they got brilliantly put together - campaign and they got what brilliantly put together _ campaign and they got what they wanted~ — campaign and they got what they wanted~ way, _ campaign and they got what they wanted~ way, i_ campaign and they got what they wanted. way, i think— campaign and they got what they wanted. way, i think the - wanted. way, i think the wallpaper— wanted. way, i think the wallpaper story - wanted. way, i think the wallpaper story was- wanted. way, i think the i wallpaper story was under wanted. way, i think the - wallpaper story was under the previous— wallpaper story was under the previous editor. _ wallpaper story was under the previous editor. it _ wallpaper story was under the previous editor. it was - wallpaper story was under the previous editor. it was the - previous editor. it was the same _ previous editor. it was the same title _ previous editor. it was the same title set _ previous editor. it was the same title set up. - previous editor. it was the same title set up. just- previous editor. it was the same title set up. just onl same title set up. just on monday, _ same title set up. just on monday, we _

same title set up. just on monday, we had - same title set up. just on monday, we had the - same title set up. just on. monday, we had the splash, same title set up. just on- monday, we had the splash, the first paragraph— monday, we had the splash, the first paragraph was" _ monday, we had the splash, the first paragraph was" seagrave . first paragraph was" seagrave is playing _ first paragraph was" seagrave is playing politics _ first paragraph was" seagrave is playing politics of _ first paragraph was" seagrave is playing politics of a - first paragraph was" seagrave is playing politics of a party i is playing politics of a party gait, — is playing politics of a party gait, sue _ is playing politics of a party gait, sue gray." _ is playing politics of a party gait, sue gray." but - is playing politics of a party gait, sue gray." but she i gait, sue gray." but she wasn't _ gait, sue gray." but she wasn't-— gait, sue gray." but she wasn't. ., ., ., , ., wasn't. you are here as a columnist _ wasn't. you are here as a columnist of— wasn't. you are here as a columnist of the - wasn't. you are here as a columnist of the daily . wasn't. you are here as a i columnist of the daily mail wasn't. you are here as a - columnist of the daily mail but i wonder if you, at any point, has felt uncomfortable at the point of emphasis on keir starmer indirect versus not putting the photo that itv news obtained of borisjohnson having a drink. most papers put that on the front page and the daily mail did not. as i say, looking back over the last year, the daily mail has given boris a pretty hard time. in many cases. boris a pretty hard time. in many cases-— boris a pretty hard time. in many cases. i'm in the middle of writing _ many cases. i'm in the middle of writing a — many cases. i'm in the middle of writing a column _ many cases. i'm in the middle of writing a column giving - many cases. i'm in the middle of writing a column giving him a hard time! at the very beginning, to answer your questions specifically, at the very beginning keir starmer when the daily mail started, i thought this will not go

anywhere. and it went on and on and on. in the end, they stood it up. they made a story. the proof of that was it was then reported by the bbc and other media. �* ., , media. and if that is some thoughts _ media. and if that is some thoughts on _ media. and if that is some thoughts on how— media. and if that is some thoughts on how the - media. and if that is some thoughts on how the daily| media. and if that is some - thoughts on how the daily mail has approached the story, david, you alluded to how the government approached it. how do you assess the media strategy since it began in early december? i strategy since it began in early december?- strategy since it began in early december? strategy since it began in earl december? ~ ., , early december? i think what is interesting _ early december? i think what is interesting about _ early december? i think what is interesting about what - early december? i think what is interesting about what how - early december? i think what is interesting about what how the | interesting about what how the government has handled it is a myth _ government has handled it is a myth handled it from the beginning and i was thinking today— beginning and i was thinking today why did they do that? of course — today why did they do that? of course we would not be here today— course we would not be here today with all this collateral damage being done to boris johnson's reputation, the reputation of number 10 as an institution, the sort of cockpit _ institution, the sort of cockpit of government and british— cockpit of government and british politics done to the order— british politics done to the order conservative party if right — order conservative party if right at _ order conservative party if right at the outset, boris johnson _ right at the outset, boris johnson and number 10 said, you know— johnson and number 10 said, you know what? we did face up, we

did have — know what? we did face up, we did have a — know what? we did face up, we did have a bit of a gathering, really— did have a bit of a gathering, really really sorry and i hold my hands up and we should not have _ my hands up and we should not have done — my hands up and we should not have done it. everyone, we've had _ have done it. everyone, we've had a — have done it. everyone, we've had a word _ have done it. everyone, we've had a word with everybody and we are — had a word with everybody and we are deeply compliant deeply sorry~ _ we are deeply compliant deeply sorry. ironically, and i never thought— sorry. ironically, and i never thought i_ sorry. ironically, and i never thought i would say these words. _ thought i would say these words, gavin williamson played it right — words, gavin williamson played it right. he had been caught having — it right. he had been caught having a _ it right. he had been caught having a gathering and he said sorry — having a gathering and he said sorry the _ having a gathering and he said sorry. the world moved on. but i'm sorry. the world moved on. but in just — sorry. the world moved on. but i'm just wondering now that perhaps— i'm just wondering now that perhaps number10 at i'm just wondering now that perhaps number 10 at that point did know— perhaps number 10 at that point did know it was notjust perhaps number 10 at that point did know it was not just a i-otf_ did know it was not just a 1—off party. now we see the scale — 1—off party. now we see the scale of— 1—off party. now we see the scale of it, so what they have seen — scale of it, so what they have seen to — scale of it, so what they have seen to do _ scale of it, so what they have seen to do is to mislead, then double — seen to do is to mislead, then double down and i think this is the problem. then they have gone — the problem. then they have gone on _ the problem. then they have gone on the attack.— gone on the attack. hold on, let's clear — gone on the attack. hold on, let's clear up _ gone on the attack. hold on, let's clear up a _ gone on the attack. hold on, let's clear up a few— gone on the attack. hold on, let's clear up a few things, i let's clear up a few things, borisjohnson 30 never knowingly misled the house condiments or anyone else. he also said anything today that he did not appreciate the scale of what has happened inside downing street street — at the house of commons and he said he has been surprised by some of

the things they learn. i appreciate you don't agree with out but importantly point that out. david, do you agree that the government should have said yes, we have made a mistake early on. i'm not entirely convinced it would have kept the daily mirror and others of its case? ~ its case? well, let me turn it around. _ its case? well, let me turn it around. the _ its case? well, let me turn it around, the question - its case? well, let me turn it around, the question is - its case? well, let me turn it around, the question is why l its case? well, let me turn it i around, the question is why did the press — around, the question is why did the press office _ around, the question is why did the press office feel _ around, the question is why did the press office feel it - around, the question is why did the press office feel it was - the press office feel it was untouchable? _ the press office feel it was untouchable? many- the press office feel it was untouchable? many of - the press office feel it was . untouchable? many of these parties — untouchable? many of these parties by— untouchable? many of these parties by the _ untouchable? many of these parties by the way _ untouchable? many of these parties by the way were - untouchable? many of these parties by the way were in l untouchable? many of these . parties by the way were in that office — parties by the way were in that office with _ parties by the way were in that office with those _ parties by the way were in that office with those people. - parties by the way were in that office with those people. one. office with those people. one office with those people. one of the — office with those people. one of the parties _ office with those people. one of the parties were _ office with those people. 0ne| of the parties were celebrating the departure _ of the parties were celebrating the departure of— of the parties were celebrating the departure of its— of the parties were celebrating the departure of its leader- of the parties were celebrating the departure of its leader to. the departure of its leader to lolf the departure of its leader to golf and _ the departure of its leader to golf and be _ the departure of its leader to golf and be deputy _ the departure of its leader to golf and be deputy editor - the departure of its leader to golf and be deputy editor of| the departure of its leader to. golf and be deputy editor of my paper, — golf and be deputy editor of my paper. the _ golf and be deputy editor of my paper. the sun _ golf and be deputy editor of my paper, the sun. ask— golf and be deputy editor of my paper, the sun. ask yourself, l paper, the sun. ask yourself, why— paper, the sun. ask yourself, why would _ paper, the sun. ask yourself, why would you _ paper, the sun. ask yourself, why would you find _ paper, the sun. ask yourself, why would you find touchable| paper, the sun. ask yourself, . why would you find touchable in that situation? _ why would you find touchable in that situation? because - why would you find touchable in that situation? because you - that situation? because you have — that situation? because you have the _ that situation? because you have the prime _ that situation? because you have the prime minister- that situation? because you have the prime minister asl that situation? because you - have the prime minister as your boss _ have the prime minister as your boss allowing _ have the prime minister as your boss allowing you _ have the prime minister as your boss allowing you to _ have the prime minister as your boss allowing you to do - boss allowing you to do anything _ boss allowing you to do anything you _ boss allowing you to do anything you want - boss allowing you to do anything you want in. boss allowing you to do . anything you want in your bosses _ anything you want in your bosses gone _ anything you want in your bosses gone off- anything you want in your bosses gone off to - anything you want in your bosses gone off to be - anything you want in your bosses gone off to be the editor— bosses gone off to be the editor of— bosses gone off to be the editor of the _ bosses gone off to be the j editor of the newspapers! bosses gone off to be the - editor of the newspapers! they are not— editor of the newspapers! they are not to _ editor of the newspapers! they are not to write _ editor of the newspapers! they are not to write about - editor of the newspapers! they are not to write about the - are not to write about the coming _ are not to write about the coming together- are not to write about the coming together of- are not to write about the coming together of the i are not to write about the - coming together of the media and political— coming together of the media and political class as - coming together of the media and political class as created, j and political class as created, has created _ and political class as created, has created an _ and political class as created, has created an untouchable . has created an untouchable group — has created an untouchable group of _ has created an untouchable group of people _ has created an untouchable group of people. i'm - has created an untouchable group of people. i'm not. group of people. i'm not talking _ group of people. i'm not talking about _ group of people. i'm not talking about my- group of people. i'm not. talking about my colleagues group of people. i'm not- talking about my colleagues at the daily—

talking about my colleagues at the daily mail. _ talking about my colleagues at the daily mail. i'm _ talking about my colleagues at the daily mail. i'm talking - the daily mail. i'm talking about— the daily mail. i'm talking about those _ the daily mail. i'm talking about those people, - the daily mail. i'm talking about those people, it - the daily mail. i'm talking. about those people, it wasn't like that— about those people, it wasn't like that in— about those people, it wasn't like that in tony _ about those people, it wasn't like that in tony blair's - about those people, it wasn't like that in tony blair's time, j like that in tony blair's time, alistair— like that in tony blair's time, alistair campbell— like that in tony blair's time, alistair campbell and - like that in tony blair's time, alistair campbell and hunter| alistair campbell and hunter were — alistair campbell and hunter were close _ alistair campbell and hunter were close to _ alistair campbell and hunter were close to me _ alistair campbell and hunter were close to me at - alistair campbell and hunter were close to me at the - alistair campbell and hunter| were close to me at the daily sound — were close to me at the daily sound but— were close to me at the daily sound but not— were close to me at the daily sound but not like _ were close to me at the daily sound but not like this! - were close to me at the daily sound but not like this! it- were close to me at the daily| sound but not like this! it has -ot sound but not like this! it has got so — sound but not like this! it has got so close _ sound but not like this! it has got so close that _ sound but not like this! it has got so close that it's - got so close that it's dangerous— got so close that it's dangerous and - got so close that it's _ dangerous and antidemocratic, i think _ dangerous and antidemocratic, i think. ~ ., , ., dangerous and antidemocratic, i think. ~ ., ., ., think. even, i know you have to no at think. even, i know you have to go at the _ think. even, i know you have to go at the minute _ think. even, i know you have to go at the minute not _ think. even, i know you have to go at the minute not least - go at the minute not least because you have to write some things! i would because you have to write some things! iwould be because you have to write some things! i would be interested to know the process of producing a column for the daily mail. to write it, send it off and say here you go. reza is there a to and fro with the editor or the editors below about the angle you are taking? but is there.— but is there. there is normally an anule but is there. there is normally an angle l _ but is there. there is normally an angle i pitch _ but is there. there is normally an angle i pitch to _ but is there. there is normally an angle i pitch to the - but is there. there is normally an angle i pitch to the editor i an angle i pitch to the editor and — an angle i pitch to the editor and then— an angle i pitch to the editor and then i may talk to the editor— and then i may talk to the editor if— and then i may talk to the editor if i feel if they have something useful to say or if i can learn— something useful to say or if i can learn something from them or may— can learn something from them or may not! i've spoken this afternoon _ or may not! i've spoken this afternoon about the column i'm

writing — afternoon about the column i'm writing about boris johnson and i writing about boris johnson and i take _ writing about boris johnson and i take a — writing about boris johnson and i take a much more critical vlew— i take a much more critical view then— i take a much more critical view then he does! he's perfectly happy about it. when do we get _ perfectly happy about it. when do we get to — perfectly happy about it. when do we get to see _ perfectly happy about it. when do we get to see it? _ perfectly happy about it. when do we get to see it? tomorrow morning- _ do we get to see it? tomorrow morning- we _ do we get to see it? tomorrow morning. we watch _ do we get to see it? tomorrow morning. we watch out - do we get to see it? tomorrow morning. we watch out for - do we get to see it? tomorrow morning. we watch out for it. | morning. we watch out for it. we will let — morning. we watch out for it. we will let you _ morning. we watch out for it. we will let you go _ morning. we watch out for it. we will let you go and - morning. we watch out for it. we will let you go and i - morning. we watch out for it. we will let you go and i know| we will let you go and i know it has been a busy day and all the newsrooms. that is danny glover, writing another column as he often does in the daily mail, appearing tomorrow. david let me explore this a bit more because you are saying the relationship between certain newspapers and number 10 is too close but there may be some people thinking, hold on a minute. papers like the sun, even when you're in charge, made a point of getting close to people in power because in many ways it made sense. what is so different here?— is so different here? well, --eole is so different here? well, people did _ is so different here? well, people did say _ is so different here? well, people did say that - is so different here? well, people did say that they i is so different here? well, i people did say that they may have had the point because they was a supporter of the new labour because i thought that was great because i thought they were good. there isn't the hypocrisy there. there isjust straightforward newspaper support for political parties. they used to have dinner a lot

with paul dacre, the winner was editor of the sun, at least twice a year, just the two of us, and eye can remember saying many times you are far too close to this people, you are far too close to tony blair, you should not be going to downing street. these days they look at the mail and a look at it and eye have never known a paper that is closer to a prime minister than the daily mail not quite sure why that is, it's clear is a lot of independence, people like steve who can say exactly what he likes. but, put it this way, if this was a labour prime minister he would have gone months ago. he or she would not survive having the tabloids that the telegraph and the times banging on. it's only because they know they can rely on that support. the mail tomorrow will be more professional in supporting borisjohnson than his own team, because they are better at it. it

team, because they are better at it. , ., team, because they are better atit. _, ., at it. it is also, you are saying. _ at it. it is also, you are saying. if— at it. it is also, you are saying. if a _ at it. it is also, you are saying, if a labour- at it. it is also, you are i saying, if a labour prime minister when this situation, think it is worth pointing out that boris johnson think it is worth pointing out that borisjohnson is an unusual politician and i don't mean that in a judgement away, it's simply true that hebrew is more resilient in moments of pleasure than many other politicians and that is not necessarily whether his conservative or labour, it's maybe more particular to his character. can ijust bring you in here, this is a question we often explore on the media show, the degree to which the media actually influences politics or simply mirrors it. we know from lots of boris johnson supporters today that they have said, look, esther johnson has apologised, designed to move on, to focus on other challenges. anything decides if we all do move on, does the media decide that? i does the media decide that? i think the media does have a big role to— think the media does have a big role to play in shaping the sort — role to play in shaping the sort of— role to play in shaping the sort of anatomy of a story and the media, in this case, have

been — the media, in this case, have been incredibly dogged with the story, _ been incredibly dogged with the story, because there is a chance _ story, because there is a chance that this story could have — chance that this story could have ebbed away but journalists did keep — have ebbed away but journalists did keep pushing it. the other thing — did keep pushing it. the other thing which is interesting about— thing which is interesting about this story is that clearly— about this story is that clearly it's a symbol of how dysfunctional downing street has become, because they worked there _ has become, because they worked there in— has become, because they worked there in the press office, iwatch _ there in the press office, iwatch there under gordon brown, _ iwatch there under gordon brown, they also worked there under— brown, they also worked there under tony blair, and there was a realm — under tony blair, and there was a real... festival, we were not having — a real... festival, we were not having that _ a real... festival, we were not having that kind of level of parting, _ having that kind of level of parting, it was not like freshers week when i was working _ freshers week when i was working at downing street, but secondly, we were a very, very tight— secondly, we were a very, very tight team, _ secondly, we were a very, very tight team, right from the cleaning stuff to the people working in the kitchens, to the civil servants, to the special advisors. _ civil servants, to the special advisors, to the ministers, to the prime _ advisors, to the ministers, to the prime minister, was really tight— the prime minister, was really tight ship. so the fact that all these leagues have been coming _ all these leagues have been coming out in a sustained way tells _ coming out in a sustained way tells you — coming out in a sustained way tells you that number 10 is not a happy— tells you that number 10 is not a happy ship. and we know that because — a happy ship. and we know that because of all the personnel changes, and there has been a lot of. — changes, and there has been a lot of, there has been like stormy— lot of, there has been like stormy clouds over downing street — stormy clouds over downing street for quite some time. but

what _ street for quite some time. but what they— street for quite some time. but what they think is true is that there — what they think is true is that there is— what they think is true is that there is an element of partisanship, but i think it's too — partisanship, but i think it's too lazy— partisanship, but i think it's too lazy to say that, because they— too lazy to say that, because they think most of the broadcasters do not have a particular agenda. they are looking _ particular agenda. they are looking at this because there is a legitimate story to probe. i is a legitimate story to probe. i want — is a legitimate story to probe. i want to— is a legitimate story to probe. i want to ask about the broadcasters, and in particular about the bbc, in a moment. david, help me out with the continency, she is saying the volume of leg suggests a broader dysfunction in number 10, but has the william of leagues in this story really outstripped the kind of leagues we would have seen during any other political scandal?- other political scandal? yes, think it has. _ other political scandal? yes, think it has. i think last - think it has. i think last night's panorama would be an example of that. there seems to be a man sue gray �*s report touches on this, a generation, very entitled people around downing street. they have been to the same schools, the same universities, and that's very dangerous, because they seem to think they have a right to be

there and don't respect the fact that they are in the most extraordinary place. that is the prime minister's responsibility. he doesn't know anybody who didn't go to those schools didn't go to that university, of course they are all like that. i university, of course they are all like that.— all like that. i think does... i am all like that. i think does... i am sure — all like that. i think does... i am sure the _ all like that. i think does... i am sure the prime - all like that. i think does... l i am sure the prime minister would say he does know people who didn't go to those schools. let us pick up on you, i alluded to laura cosme cosmic additional panorama on the bbc she spoke to a number of number 10 staffers, some of whom had tender the gathering is detailed in sue gray's report, i wonder, ayesha and david, what the assessment is of how the bbc has fitted into the story, because some people reacted to laura cosme cosmic panorama and said these are significant scoops, but through the partygate story many of the scoops have been coming via either itv news or the mirror, should we read anything into that, ayesha? it

should we read anything into that, ayesha?— should we read anything into that, ayesha? it is interesting lookinu that, ayesha? it is interesting looking at _ that, ayesha? it is interesting looking at the _ that, ayesha? it is interesting looking at the way _ that, ayesha? it is interesting looking at the way the - that, ayesha? it is interesting looking at the way the bbc - that, ayesha? it is interesting | looking at the way the bbc has covered — looking at the way the bbc has covered this and the mood it was — covered this and the mood it was the _ covered this and the mood it was the bbc. i think quite a lot of— was the bbc. i think quite a lot of the _ was the bbc. i think quite a lot of the animosity goes back to barnard castle, about the story— to barnard castle, about the story nabrc about dominic cummings and laura kuenssberg and the — cummings and laura kuenssberg and the bbc received but a lot of criticism for reporting sources— of criticism for reporting sources close to dominic cummings said xyz. there was a huge _ cummings said xyz. there was a huge accusation of the bbc being — huge accusation of the bbc being a _ huge accusation of the bbc being a stenographer for dominic cummings and for people i’ili'it dominic cummings and for people right at— dominic cummings and for people right at the heart of downing street — right at the heart of downing street. some of that is slightly unfair, because if you are a — slightly unfair, because if you are a lovelyjournalist part of your— are a lovelyjournalist part of youriob _ are a lovelyjournalist part of yourjob is to get information and get — yourjob is to get information and get it— yourjob is to get information and get it out there. you are not — and get it out there. you are not there _ and get it out there. you are not there to make an editorial decision— not there to make an editorial decision on it. you are there and — decision on it. you are there and people are there to make their— and people are there to make their minds up. i do think it was— their minds up. i do think it was important for the bbc to do this panorama investigation and ithink— this panorama investigation and i think that has redeemed the bbc and — i think that has redeemed the bbc and a lot of people's eyes. before — bbc and a lot of people's eyes. before a — bbc and a lot of people's eyes. before a bring you in, david, i

should say panorama is available on iplayer if you like what it and we did invite laura cosme to come on the media show but she wasn't able to. david, what are your thoughts on this story? i to. david, what are your thoughts on this story? i think the bbc was — thoughts on this story? i think the bbc was accused - thoughts on this story? i think the bbc was accused of - thoughts on this story? i think the bbc was accused of being | the bbc was accused of being unfair, because a balanced truth and untruth, there is a lot of truth in that. the bbc has been going through a transition of leadership in the last few months. i think that is part of it. i think they have been very steady as she goes kind of thing. and i think the bbc looks a little bit, it is the only channel out there thatis is the only channel out there that is now completely unbiased, since talk tv and gigabits news laws, usually between the many go back to the bbc and it looks slightly less exciting because, talk about the news channel, because it is unbiased. i think laura's show last night was excellent, and

isn't it interesting when people have got stories to tell they will go to the abc because they will go to the abc because they know they are going to be protective and they will be fair. �* protective and they will be fair. ., ,, protective and they will be fair. �* . ~ i., fair. anneka, david, thank you for sharing _ fair. anneka, david, thank you for sharing your _ fair. anneka, david, thank you for sharing your thoughts - fair. anneka, david, thank you for sharing your thoughts on i for sharing your thoughts on partygate. you will stay with us but we will turn away from uk politics and downing street and we will talk about this. music plays. i'd know what i am going to be humming forthe i'd know what i am going to be humming for the next few hours. channel five is returning challenge arnica to british tv screens 30 years after the original series first ad. anneka rice is still with us, she said it came about after the head of channel five was on the head of channel five was on the media show a couple of years ago. good to have you back with us, anneka, a trustee will be using the theme music again, you are not changing that. i again, you are not changing that. ., �* . . again, you are not changing that. . ., ., , that. i won't change anything. that has been _ that. i won't change anything. that has been the _ that. i won't change anything. that has been the wonderful i that has been the wonderful thing about working with ben.

he just wants it analogue, he doesn't want to go digital on this. when we first had a zoom chat about this, i didn't even get my video screen up, he just went don't worry, remember what you look like, because it wasn't what i look like, now it is about how many twitter followers they have, it is very many, hejust followers they have, it is very many, he just wanted the show. and we spoke for a long time about the legacy of it. he was really interested that i am sodam because it has been my life's work, all those projects are still very strong and most of them i'm very involved with them. so it was a breath of fresh air. you alluded to it at the beginning, when i heard him on the media show, because i caught that instinctive nurse and the spontaneity of it. and he is someone who willjust go with an idea and that is good old—fashioned producer choice, which were used to have one are used to make programmes in the �*805 used to make programmes in the �*80s and 90s whereby you made a programme because you are trusted to make that programme

by the broadcaster. michael grayjust said ok, anneka, golf and make it. never had any contact with the bbc were just deliver the programme each week and that was it. whereas now there is a lot more sort of committee stages and focus groups and that sort of thing. i think in the end there is a lovely alchemy where we have got together over this so it is coming to channel five, one person was excited is ayesha, we were talking about this earlier. i we were talking about this earlier. ., we were talking about this earlier. . ,., . we were talking about this earlier. . . ., earlier. i am so excited about the reboot — earlier. i am so excited about the reboot of _ earlier. i am so excited about the reboot of this, _ earlier. i am so excited about the reboot of this, anneka. i the reboot of this, anneka. when — the reboot of this, anneka. when i _ the reboot of this, anneka. when i was growing up by absolutely loved challenge arnica _ absolutely loved challenge arnica. you will like an icon to me — arnica. you will like an icon to me and _ arnica. you will like an icon to me and i loved the zipping out -- — to me and i loved the zipping out —— zipping in and out of helicopters with yourjumpsuit helicopters with your jumpsuit and helicopters with yourjumpsuit and headphones and that sort of thing _ and headphones and that sort of thing i— and headphones and that sort of thin. ., , and headphones and that sort of thini. .. , , thing. i am very pleased, ayesha- _ thing. i am very pleased, ayesha- to _ thing. i am very pleased, ayesha. to be _ thing. i am very pleased, ayesha. to be honest, i thing. i am very pleased, i ayesha. to be honest, when thing. i am very pleased, - ayesha. to be honest, when we launched this week put up a very childish tweet which i thought would get about three people going, oh, that is interesting. just took off in a

way that i was prepared for. your sentiment there is exactly what people are feeling. such an absolute rush of affection and nostalgia. and i think we owe it to that audience and a younger one who has come through because people your age will have kids and they are watching it and so life goes on to keep it as it was, because at the end of the day it is not about getting someone from love island to be a presenter it is about those communities, it is about those communities, it is about the part of the collective, it is harnessing the power of television to make a difference. i the power of television to make a difference-— a difference. i think they can iuess a difference. i think they can guess the — a difference. i think they can guess the answer _ a difference. i think they can guess the answer to - a difference. i think they can guess the answer to this - guess the answer to this question, are you nervous? you don't sound nervous? lilo. question, are you nervous? you don't sound nervous?— don't sound nervous? no, i can't wait- _ don't sound nervous? no, i can't wait. it _ don't sound nervous? no, i can't wait. it is _ don't sound nervous? no, i can't wait. it is not - don't sound nervous? no, i can't wait. it is not like - don't sound nervous? no, i can't wait. it is not like i'vej can't wait. it is not like i've ever left it. it is not dusting something. it is part of what they do every day, we sold the former around the world, i am involved in all those sales, the digital version for abc in

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economist at the daily males thank you for watching this edition of the media show. be back with you next week at the usual time —— at the daily mail. hello there. on saturday, the lion's share of the sunshine and warmth was found across the south and the west of the uk. temperatures were above 20 degrees in a few places, and at newquay in cornwall, beautiful blue skies overhead. further north and east, there was a bit more cloud and it did feel quite a lot cooler. and as we move through sunday, with high pressure to the north—west of us and low pressure to the north—east, that'll be driving quite a brisk northerly wind. and that will bring a rather cool feel for many. temperatures will be a little disappointing for the time of year. so, generally speaking, it will be rather cool through sunday, particularly where we have areas of cloud and some showers, which could be heavy and thundery. equally, there will be some spells of sunshine in between, but we'll see showers from the word go across parts of wales, the midlands, some north sea coasts as well. showers drifting towards the south west of england, where they will turn heavy and thundery, and for many places, it will be rather cloudy.

not least in the north east of scotland, where that cloud will produce some spots of rain. coupled with quite a brisk north or north—westerly wind, it will feel decidedly cool, just 9—11 degrees. maybe 14 in glasgow. not too many showers for southern scotland or for northern ireland. scattered showers across england and wales, especially for south west england and south wales, where some of the showers will be heavy and thundery into the afternoon. top temperatures 15—16 degrees. now, as we head through sunday night and into the early hours of monday, many of the showers in the south will clear, but at the same time will bring areas of cloud down across scotland. some showery rain with that, a few showers running down the east coast of england as well. and it's going to be quite a chilly night. temperatures widely down into single digits. one or two places 3—4 degrees briefly around dawn on monday. for monday, yes, we'll see some spells of sunshine, but often quite large amounts of cloud and some heavy, potentially thundery showers breaking out. just about anywhere could catch a shower. and those temperatures still a little below par, 11—16 degrees. now, as we look deeper into the coming week, this area of low pressure is going to wobble its way westwards, so that will bring some showers at times once again on tuesday, some heavy, thundery ones in places. signs are it will slowly dry out a little through the week,

but there's still a bit of uncertainty about the jubilee weekend forecast.

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