platinum jubilee celebrations enter their third day and it's party time at the palace. it's derby day at the races but the queen won't be there. her daughter, the princess royal, will represent the monarch instead. and the bunting's still out up and down the country as people hold street parties to celebrate her majesty's 70 years on the throne. in other news, travel disruption continues. airlines cancel more flights today and rail passengers are being warned of delays because of strikes by conductors. a senior ukrainian official says ukraine's forces are pushing back russia in the key city of severodonetsk where the two sides are locked in fierce street battles. now on bbc news, award—winning writer and magazine editor tina brown has spent decades chronicling the british

royal family. the bbc�*s special correspondent katty kay went to meet her. how many years for the new yorker? seven. from her new york apartment tina brown keeps a close eye on events in buckingham palace. those 3000 miles give this british american author are different, more global perspective on the royal family. for her new best selling book the palace paper, she interviewed over 320 people to tell the story of the women of the house of windsor. brown herself has met the queen several times and was awarded the commander of the british empire for contribution to journalism. she has edited both tatler magazine and the new yorker. she knows the clintons well. she has metjustin trudeau, theresa may. suffice to say you don't get a lot better connected than tina brown in

politics or in all things royal, which is why we went to visit her in manhattan. congratulations on the book, it is great. i passed a very delightful plane ride from london reading it. when you look as we celebrate her 70 years on the throne, the conundrum of the queen's impact, is itjust longevity? the amount of time she has been with us and been with the world? is it her personality? how do you account for her impact? it is personality? how do you account for her impact?— her impact? it is all of it. the longevity _ her impact? it is all of it. the longevity clearly _ her impact? it is all of it. the longevity clearly is _ her impact? it is all of it. the longevity clearly is a - her impact? it is all of it. the longevity clearly is a major. her impact? it is all of it. the - longevity clearly is a major factor. three generations can remember nothing but the queen, so it is hard to imagine being british without the queen. but it has also been her remarkable combination of temperament, judgment and composure essentially. it has proved to be such a kind of focal point of british identity because in the way

the queen has found a way to represent what we consider to be the best of being british. stoic, dutiful, humorous in her own way, unflappable, but she has never stepped over the line. after all of these years, we still don't know what the queen thinks about anything. brexit, who knows what she thought? it is a remarkable strength, the power of the royal silence essentially. of course it was only possible for her because she grew up in an age when the media were not invasive. she could simply be a representational figure, were not invasive. she could simply be a representationalfigure, much harder today to be a representational figure without revealing what you think and feel. there is a lovely scene in your book when you talk about a concert at windsor castle where she is sitting there listening to this concert and you have no idea what she is thinking. if you dog tired and hating it or is in raptors and enjoying it? in a way that was her power and you describe it as a

unifying power. it power and you describe it as a unifying power-— unifying power. it is a unifying ower unifying power. it is a unifying power because _ unifying power. it is a unifying power because everyone - unifying power. it is a unifying power because everyone can l unifying power. it is a unifying - power because everyone can project what they want on to it. they can say the queen is loving this concert like i am, or they can say look at the queen, she is as bored as i am. the uniformity of appearance, the way she has created a uniform for herself, her particular look, her particular style, she never felt herself, her particular look, her particular style, she neverfelt the need to update or change with the era. she has looked the same all these years, it is enormously reassuring. indeed we saw in the pandemic how even today, an absolutely different era of digital disruption and turbulence, and somehow the queen came out and made that speech during the pandemic which ended, we will meet again, evoking vera lynn and the second world war and there was a kind of exhalation of breath and people felt it was going to be ok, and she has that gift. it was going to be ok, and she has that rift. ., , . ., ., ., that gift. how she changed at all? durinu her that gift. how she changed at all? during her 70 _ that gift. how she changed at all? during her 70 years _ that gift. how she changed at all? during her 70 years on _ that gift. how she changed at all? during her 70 years on the - that gift. how she changed at all? during her 70 years on the throne | during her 70 years on the throne has she adapted and changed the role at all? has she personally changed

at all? has she personally changed at all? has she personally changed at all? did you get that sense? she has not at all? did you get that sense? sue: has not changed the at all? did you get that sense? si2 has not changed the role, but she has not changed the role, but she has definitely loosened up as the years have gone by. since her diamond jubilee that was the time when the queen began to sort to allow herself a little fun. like when she took part in the 2012 olympics and she did that wonderful stunt with james bond, where she agreed to be seen with a body double descended onto the stadium, and then she walked in as if nothing happened. it was absolutely marvellous that she was willing to partake in and what was fun to learn, as i did in the palace, is i interviewed all the olympics are people and assumed it had taken massive conversations with her courtiers to persuade her to do this. no, she agreed right away. she loved it, she thought it was funny, she wanted a joke that she would not tell her grandchildren that she was about to do it and it shows the queen relaxing. finally, the pop

culture elements of her celebration had done that. the personification of her by helen mirren and stephen freer�*s film the queen that sort of in a way opened up the queen's personality to a whole new audience and people kind of realised how much they kind of love to in that role. if she an exception? you have written a lot about other members of her family written a lot about other members of herfamily and this written a lot about other members of her family and this notion of unflappable to an duty and a strong sense of kind of duty, issue almost the exception that makes monarchy still relevant? the the exception that makes monarchy still relevant?— still relevant? the truth is the queen puts — still relevant? the truth is the queen puts my _ still relevant? the truth is the queen puts my own _ still relevant? the truth is the queen puts my own ethos - still relevant? the truth is the | queen puts my own ethos was still relevant? the truth is the - queen puts my own ethos was forged ijy queen puts my own ethos was forged by growing up in the second world war. they were bound by that sense and that ethos and that sense of duty for the country, patriotism, all those things, that the queen and prince philip sort of embodied. but it was a lucky thing that the monarch who took over age 25 in 1953 had her particular combination and

qualities. we tend to forget it was only 13 or 1a years since the application of her uncle. we had gone through the renaissance of the monarchy under george vi during the second world war when they became enormously popular. they stayed in london in the blitz. but it could still have gone awry and it could still have gone awry and it could still have gone awry and it could still have cracked if the younger sister, princess margaret, had been the monarch. she was a much more volatile, emotional, impulsive individual than her elder sister. it was sense and sensibility personified. and elizabethjust had those qualities, duty, inscrutability, authenticity, doggett hard work and service. she has never veered from that, it is quite remarkable. i question really whether any modern person could sort of subsume themselves in that sort of subsume themselves in that sort of way. it is quite a remarkable sacrifice actually. i of way. it is quite a remarkable sacrifice actually.— of way. it is quite a remarkable sacrifice actually. i suppose one area where _ sacrifice actually. i suppose one area where she _ sacrifice actually. i suppose one area where she insisted -

sacrifice actually. i suppose one area where she insisted on - sacrifice actually. i suppose one l area where she insisted on having her own emotional way was marrying prince philip. she could stand up for what she wanted and she made that very big stand for something that very big stand for something that was notjust important that very big stand for something that was not just important for that very big stand for something that was notjust important for her, but important to her reign. that that was not just important for her, but important to her reign. that was what was so — but important to her reign. that was what was so wonderful _ but important to her reign. that was what was so wonderful about - but important to her reign. that was what was so wonderful about that i what was so wonderful about that relationship. it was a major thing she stood up for and with her usual good judgment she chose the man she knew could make her happy and would be the perfect foil to her. prince philip was an alpha man writ large and the queen likes are for men and surround yourself by them. she understood philip was a truth teller and that with him she would never be blindsided by self—delusion in some ways. philip kept her sort of straight about what she should think about things, there was no toadying around with philip, and she needed that and wanted that. otherwise, it is a very isolating position to be always surrounded by people who are sort of, frankly, sycophants in one

form or another. she sort of, frankly, sycophants in one form or another.— sort of, frankly, sycophants in one form or another. she has met with 13 american presidents. _ form or another. she has met with 13 american presidents. we _ form or another. she has met with 13 american presidents. we talk- form or another. she has met with 13 american presidents. we talk about | american presidents. we talk about longevity and everything she has seen, would one ever know if she had a favourite or when she was particularly getting on well with? i am told she like president reagan. horses, charming, easy. she liked bush, i am told. what she thought about trump at some point no doubt will come out, she was clearly playing it to the hilt when he came on the whole of the royal family essentially new they were putting on a giant reality show for trump. i mean, camilla winking at someone in the crowd epitomise what they were really thinking that they when donald trump came. but the queen understands that her soft power is enormous. ., , ., ., enormous. there was a moment when she met with — enormous. there was a moment when she met with the _ enormous. there was a moment when she met with the obamas _ enormous. there was a moment when she met with the obamas and - enormous. there was a moment when | she met with the obamas and michelle she met with the 0bamas and michelle 0bama put her hand on her back and

the press made a lot of it. do you think that is the kind of thing that would have bothered the queen? the queen would have bothered the queen? ti2 queen is so beyond being bothered by that kind of thing. she knows who she is and she understands that not everybody quite interprets the arcane customs and rules around the monarch in the same way. she has the most amazing manners and manners in her level of life means making someone else feel comfortable. so she would not have minded that. very often these kind of moments are about the courtiers around them who are the ones who are obsessed with status. in fact, the royals themselves are far less obsessed with that than the people around them are. i, ., with that than the people around them are. ., ., ., , , ., them are. you mentioned a sense of britishness- — them are. you mentioned a sense of britishness. how _ them are. you mentioned a sense of britishness. how important - them are. you mentioned a sense of britishness. how important is - them are. you mentioned a sense of britishness. how important is she i them are. you mentioned a sense of britishness. how important is she to j britishness. how important is she to that sense of what british identity means? ,, . , , that sense of what british identity means? ,, .,, , ., , , means? she has been absolutely critical. it really _ means? she has been absolutely critical. it really has _ means? she has been absolutely

critical. it really has been - means? she has been absolutely critical. it really has been given l critical. it really has been given of public life in england. when she dies, there will be a great identity crisis of people morning, notjust her, but what she represented to them and a sense of can this continue? there is no real lobby to get rid of the monarchy. there is something reassuring to most people in britain to have as a head of state a nonpartisan, uniting figure who is essentially a safe space for everyone to relate to. so i think there will be a lot of trembling when she does go.— there will be a lot of trembling when she does no. . , ., ,, when she does go. more than perhaps --eole when she does go. more than perhaps peeple realise? _ when she does go. more than perhaps peeple realise? i— when she does go. more than perhaps people realise? i think— when she does go. more than perhaps people realise? i think it— when she does go. more than perhaps people realise? i think it will- when she does go. more than perhaps people realise? i think it will be - people realise? i think it will be hue and people realise? i think it will be huge and i _ people realise? i think it will be huge and i don't _ people realise? i think it will be huge and i don't think _ people realise? i think it will be huge and i don't think we - people realise? i think it will be huge and i don't think we know| people realise? i think it will be - huge and i don't think we know how it will be expressed but i think the morning will be enormous and it will go on for quite a long time. she morning will be enormous and it will go on for quite a long time.- go on for quite a long time. she has these weekly _ go on for quite a long time. she has these weekly audiences _ go on for quite a long time. she has these weekly audiences and - go on for quite a long time. she has these weekly audiences and still- these weekly audiences and still does with the prime minister on

zoom, and with successive prime ministers, and there have been 1a of them, how important does she think thatis them, how important does she think that is to her role? she them, how important does she think that is to her role?— that is to her role? she regards it as a very important _ that is to her role? she regards it as a very important part - that is to her role? she regards it as a very important part of- that is to her role? she regards it as a very important part of her. as a very important part of her constitutional duty to meet with the prime minister is and she is allowed ljy prime minister is and she is allowed by the constitution to kind of advise or warn. she can't dictate what she thinks, but she is very well informed. i what she thinks, but she is very well informed.— what she thinks, but she is very well informed. ., ., ., ,~' well informed. i am often asked when i am in the well informed. i am often asked when i am in the uk — well informed. i am often asked when i am in the uk wide _ well informed. i am often asked when i am in the uk wide to _ well informed. i am often asked when i am in the uk wide to the _ well informed. i am often asked when i am in the uk wide to the americans | i am in the uk wide to the americans love the royalfamily i am in the uk wide to the americans love the royal family so much? i am in the uk wide to the americans love the royalfamily so much? what is your answer to that? what is it about america? it is your answer to that? what is it about america?— about america? it is the one institution _ about america? it is the one institution that _ about america? it is the one institution that is _ about america? it is the one | institution that is completely about america? it is the one - institution that is completely out of reach. you cannot become a member of reach. you cannot become a member of the royalfamily. you could marry someone in the royalfamily i suppose, as an american has, but other than that you can't get in there. it is like this is the ultimate sort of ivory tower you can't penetrate. and the sense of

the history of the country, it is very appealing. 0f the history of the country, it is very appealing. of course the institution of the monarchy is built on the shoulders of these people, this family, and so you have this combination of the sort of glittering diamond essentially of the crown, but these people are like anybody else's family, but writ large and rich high. so the ongoing drama people feel extraordinarily invested in these people. it is true here, but i — invested in these people. it is true here, but i think _ invested in these people. it is true here, but i think globally - invested in these people. it is true here, but i think globally as - invested in these people. it is true here, but i think globally as well, | here, but i think globally as well, you talked about the impact it will have on britain and a sense of britishness when the queen dies, i think it will have an enormous impact around the world. people will be watching that moment, that transition, and it is almost part of the identity of britain as a global power. the identity of britain as a global ower. ~ , ,., y the identity of britain as a global ower. �* ,,., , ., the identity of britain as a global ower. �* , ., power. absolutely, the queen has been a global— power. absolutely, the queen has been a global monarch. _ power. absolutely, the queen has been a global monarch. her - power. absolutely, the queen has been a global monarch. her role l power. absolutely, the queen has| been a global monarch. her role in the commonwealth has made her a global monarch because she has done these tours for years and she has

received foreign prime ministers, commonwealth leaders, for 70 years. she is embedded in the global community. yes, it will be a huge global moment and i think a moment when britain, frankly, losing her does become smaller. the queen's presence makes britain larger than it is because it has such global attention. we don't care what the royals in the netherlands are like you're doing, we don't care what the king of spain is doing, we have no idea, but people are very, very involved with and invested in and focus on what the british royal family are doing at any given point of the day. family are doing at any given point of the da . ., ., , family are doing at any given point ofthe da . ., ., , , ., of the day. controls fill her shoes? i actually think _ of the day. controls fill her shoes? i actually think charles _ of the day. controls fill her shoes? i actually think charles will - of the day. controls fill her shoes? i actually think charles will be - of the day. controls fill her shoes? i actually think charles will be a . i actually think charles will be a very good transitional monarch. his role is to get ready the whole institution for william. he has to do the modernising that requires to

be done and he has really got to find a way to relate to the british people that is completely different because what he will not have and can never have is the queen's mystique. we already know way too much about charles. we already know what he thinks. i think he is authentic and that is a very important thing if you are going to be a popular monarch. because people know that charles is a very decent man, they know what he cares about, his passion for the environment and farming, his cares about climate change, these are very pressing concerns he has had for decades which now everybody recognises where the right concerns. so he has, i think, a good chance to be loved in a different way. so think, a good chance to be loved in a different way.— a different way. so the problem is the r0 al a different way. so the problem is the royal family _ a different way. so the problem is the royal family has _ a different way. so the problem is the royal family has had - a different way. so the problem is the royal family has had in - a different way. so the problem is the royal family has had in the i a different way. so the problem is| the royal family has had in the last few years, and i know the way through problems in the 90s when she spoke about her annus horribilis, when her children got divorced. find

when her children got divorced. and windsor when her children got divorced. fific windsor castle when her children got divorced. el“ic windsor castle went when her children got divorced. elic windsor castle went up in flames. symbolically awful. and at the end of her life she has had another rough few years with andrew and then harry and megan leaving for california.— harry and megan leaving for california. �* .,, , ., , california. and the loss of philip. and the loss _ california. and the loss of philip. and the loss of _ california. and the loss of philip. and the loss of philip. _ california. and the loss of philip. l and the loss of philip. particularly with the children and problems around harry and megan and andrew, how much damage has that done to her legacy and how much damage has it done to the monarchy? the legacy and how much damage has it done to the monarchy?— done to the monarchy? the big roblem done to the monarchy? the big problem this — done to the monarchy? the big problem this time _ done to the monarchy? the big problem this time as _ done to the monarchy? the big problem this time as opposed i done to the monarchy? the big | problem this time as opposed to done to the monarchy? the big i problem this time as opposed to the 90s is that now the queen is frail. in the 90s, 0k, there was a conflagration in the family. diane and the divorce is and everything that happened, but the queen could continue, the queen could keep calm and carry on and pull the institution back around to right the ship, if you like. the more perilous moment now is that all of this tarnishing has happened without her being the strong, younger monarch

who could again pull the ship around. it has been much more damaging this time. and the sort of hand grenades that harry has kept throwing really continue to destabilise. and of course the scandals of andrew have really been a tarnishing of everybody�*s dismay and sadness essentially, because it has just been awful to behold. what they do with andrew is going to be an ongoing problem because he is out of public life but he does not want to go quietly. so that remains another sort of potentially erupting mine as the years go by. [30 another sort of potentially erupting mine as the years go by.— another sort of potentially erupting mine as the years go by. do you see those problems _ mine as the years go by. do you see those problems as _ mine as the years go by. do you see those problems as problems - mine as the years go by. do you see those problems as problems of- mine as the years go by. do you see those problems as problems of the l those problems as problems of the institution or problems of that particular family?— institution or problems of that particular family? well, i think the thing about _ particular family? well, i think the thing about this _ particular family? well, i think the thing about this institution - particular family? well, i think the thing about this institution is i particular family? well, i think the thing about this institution is it i thing about this institution is it is a family based on a family that is a family based on a family that is going to have its problem people,

its rebels, its miscreants, its winners and losers, like any family. where i think they are lucky is that in charles they have a very decent statesman—like person and they have in william and kate, i think, a remarkably lucky air and his choice of wife has turned out to be a critical, extraordinarily successful addition to the family. so there is addition to the family. so there is a real piece of luck there that again the airwilliam, a real piece of luck there that again the air william, has got some of the things the queen has got. he is a judicious person. he is a cautious person, he is a decent person. and temperamentally he is in a so much better position to take it over than his younger brother harry, who would have been, if he had been the elder son. i think the cambridges are a very lucky future for the house of windsor. i don't

really know how they can actually bear to live the way they are going to live, but like the queen they seem to have embraced it. it is more remarkable that kate has embraced it. she comes from a middle—class family and is not to the manor born and when she married william there was a lot of how will this girl from a middle—class origins fit in and become a future queen? the answer to the question now is how can the house of windsor survive without kate? she has absorbed her role with such kind of remarkable poise. it is interestin: such kind of remarkable poise. it is interesting because this is a time so different from the 19505 when the queen became queen, where everybody puts their opinions about everything everywhere. and yet it is a job and a role that demands that you do the opposite. will the monarchy inevitably with the next generation, charles and beyond him william, who will be the first digital noble i

guess, will the monarchy change? how gue55, will the monarchy change? how will it adapt? will it change to survive or flourish? the will it adapt? will it change to survive or flourish? the question is how relatable _ survive or flourish? the question is how relatable can _ survive or flourish? the question is how relatable can the _ survive or flourish? the question is how relatable can the royals i survive or flourish? the question is how relatable can the royals be i how relatable can the royals be without losing so much mystique and be boring to everybody? that is the root of the european monarch5 have gone. they are so ordinary to people that nobody cares. if they want to preserve any kind of gravita5, they have to have some mystique to them. i suspect that william and kate will be much more like the european monarchy. i hope that they understand the power of the royal 5ilence that the queen really has shown us works, frankly. becau5e shown us works, frankly. because there are not any boomerangs if you don't say anything and people might complain that you are boring, but long term, and it is about long term, you are better off being somewhat inscrutable then you are

blathering out your feelings which can lead you into the most difficult for us of blowback. i can lead you into the most difficult for us of blowback.— can lead you into the most difficult for us of blowback. i guess she had that moment _ for us of blowback. i guess she had that moment after _ for us of blowback. i guess she had that moment after diana _ for us of blowback. i guess she had that moment after diana died i for us of blowback. i guess she had | that moment after diana died where she had to wrestle with how much to say and how much to relate and a country that seems to want more or most of the social media emotion than she was perhaps willing to give. than she was perhaps willing to rive. . than she was perhaps willing to i ive. ., ., , than she was perhaps willing to iive, ., ., , ., than she was perhaps willing to ive. ., .,, ., ., than she was perhaps willing to iive, ., ., , ., ., ., give. that was one moment for the queen when _ give. that was one moment for the queen when it _ give. that was one moment for the queen when it was _ give. that was one moment for the queen when it was no _ give. that was one moment for the queen when it was no longer i give. that was one moment for the i queen when it was no longer enough to be, just to represent, that people wanted her to a moat and she found it very difficult because she does not like doing that. it is easier does not like doing that. it is ea5ierfor does not like doing that. it is easier for william does not like doing that. it is ea5ierfor william and does not like doing that. it is easier for william and kate does not like doing that. it is ea5ierfor william and kate because they are much more warden people who have a much more on the surface emotional life, but you do too much of it and you are going to lose all of it and you are going to lose all of your mystique.— of it and you are going to lose all of your mystique. harry and megan, too much of— of your mystique. harry and megan, too much of it? _ of your mystique. harry and megan, too much of it? there _ of your mystique. harry and megan, too much of it? there is _ of your mystique. harry and megan, too much of it? there is a _ of your mystique. harry and megan, too much of it? there is a lot i of your mystique. harry and megan, too much of it? there is a lot of- too much of it? there is a lot of over sharing — too much of it? there is a lot of over sharing in _ too much of it? there is a lot of over sharing in that _ too much of it? there is a lot of over sharing in that department too much of it? there is a lot of- over sharing in that department but they are not in the mainstream any more and they no longer will be that

important to the monarchy. mas more and they no longer will be that important to the monarchy. was ever auoin important to the monarchy. was ever ioini to important to the monarchy. was ever going to work. _ important to the monarchy. was ever going to work. an _ important to the monarchy. was ever going to work, an american - important to the monarchy. was ever going to work, an american coming l important to the monarchy. was ever| going to work, an american coming in and joining the royalfamily? i andjoining the royalfamily? i think it is extraordinarily difficult for an american to really ever adapt to that kind of denial of emotion that is so much about schooling, class, tradition. i don't know any american who could really find that an easy thing to fit into and live with it successfully at such a level of extreme expression, if you like. we all know the british upper classes are very 5ort if you like. we all know the british upper classes are very sort of, there is that tightne55 upper classes are very sort of, there is that tightness of emotion, but trying to be in the royal family, that is the acne of that whole emotional effect of being just not willing to be effusive about things, and it is hard for an american who has been brought up in a much more cultural effusive mu5t

essentially. a much more cultural effusive must essentially-— essentially. you said in the book ou did essentially. you said in the book you did over— essentially. you said in the book you did over 100 _ essentially. you said in the book you did over 100 interviews i essentially. you said in the book you did over 100 interviews for l essentially. you said in the book i you did over 100 interviews for this book and you talk about all of them, particularly focused on the women in the family. what 5urprised particularly focused on the women in the family. what surprised you the most and what did you learn about the queen that you hadn't expected? well, i did come to see that the queen actually has a very astringent 5en5e queen actually has a very astringent sense of humour and that part of her ability to keep playing this role is she is genuinely able to compartmentalise the sovereign and the off duty woman. a lot of her off duty life is connected to her passionate interest in country matters. that grounds her. her dog5, her horses, this is where her emotional life really flouri5he5 and has kept her kind of 5ane. but she is also very tired and smart and she understands completely the difference between being a monarch

and the mother and a grandmother or and the mother and a grandmother or a friend. she is able to compartmentalise in ways i think are extraordinary. at times frequently the personal and the private have collided. the time of diana's death of course. and in such difficulty with andrew 5he of course. and in such difficulty with andrew she has had to cancel her own son. but there are times when she then has to choose over mother ver5u5 sovereign and the queen has always chosen in the end sovereign. she has always chosen the protection of the crown a5 a consumer duty, even if it means making very difficult, personal decision5. making very difficult, personal decisions. we saw it at the very beginning when she had to tell margaret that she could not marry the man she loved because he was divorced, he was older than her, he was completely, in those days, inappropriate for market, but her sister loved him. the fact is she 5i5ter loved him. the fact is she has had to make the very painful decision to essentially tell harry

you are gone. she lost her grandson and she knew that it would make him very unhappy, but she had to choose what was right for the crown and most of all with andrew, if she has to make that choice, it is a choice 5he to make that choice, it is a choice she will make.— to make that choice, it is a choice she will make. something her uncle did not do- — she will make. something her uncle did not do. something _ she will make. something her uncle did not do. something her- she will make. something her uncle did not do. something her uncle i she will make. something her uncle did not do. something her uncle did not do. at did not do. something her uncle did not do- at the _ did not do. something her uncle did not do. at the back _ did not do. something her uncle did not do. at the back of _ did not do. something her uncle did not do. at the back of the _ did not do. something her uncle did not do. at the back of the book i did not do. something her uncle did not do. at the back of the book you | not do. at the back of the book you asked the question _ not do. at the back of the book you asked the question will _ not do. at the back of the book you asked the question will the - not do. at the back of the book you l asked the question will the monarchy 5urvive asked the question will the monarchy survive if the queen goe5? what was your conclusion? i survive if the queen goes? what was your conclusion?— your conclusion? i think it will. i think it will _ your conclusion? i think it will. i think it will evolve _ your conclusion? i think it will. i think it will evolve and - your conclusion? i think it will. i think it will evolve and it - your conclusion? i think it will. i think it will evolve and it will i your conclusion? i think it will. i think it will evolve and it will be i think it will evolve and it will be a different monarchy. becau5e think it will evolve and it will be a different monarchy. because the people are different. i think it also is not given it will survive forever if those who inhabit it don't live up to it. i do think we are beyond the era when we could have had a libertine king, you know, and un—dutiful king or queen, that i don't think would work into today's media climate. but if the proposed players, charles and william, do

indeed inherit and it all goes according to plan, i think the monarchy will survive, because there is not much of a movement to get rid of it and the british people see the monarchy i5 of it and the british people see the monarchy is the summation of their history. and it is a way of being unpatriotic without being nationalistic, essentially. as we all look around the world and we see other systems, you have to ask if the monarchy when, what else? iloathed the monarchy when, what else? what is better? tina _ the monarchy when, what else? what is better? tina brown, _ the monarchy when, what else? what is better? tina brown, thank you very much. is better? tina brown, thank you very much-— hello, it is a mainly dry afternoon

for much of the uk. but there are still showers around in wales and south—west england. further showers to come for england and wales through the rest of their weekend with an increasing chance they will turn heavy and thundery. a different story across scotland and northern ireland under an area of high pressure, fine, dry and barely a cloud in the sky. in cornwall quite a few showers around this morning and more to come this afternoon, but they will be pulling away. you can see what has been happening on the radar over the last few hours. those wins are getting blown north and west words. for the rest of the afternoon mainly dry, some showers clipping wales and the south—west. missed and low cloud lingering along the east coast and feeling quite cool the east coast and feeling quite cool. the best sunshine in scotland and northern ireland with highs of 22. we keep an eye on what is happening over france because this evening we will see a band of heavy and thundery showers putting in to

england and the midlands. it might bring torrential downpours. further north it stays dry with mist and low cloud on the eastern coast. clear in scotland, northern ireland and north—west england. where we have the cloud it is quite muggy. more of these heavy and thundery showers to come tomorrow and they will move northwards through wales, the midlands and northern england. behind that there will be breaks in the cloud, but then maybe some more heavy and thundery showers. the best of the sunshine in northern ireland and scotland. in the sunshine 21 celsius, but underneath the gloom in the midlands and northern england it is quite a cool day. though showers keep going northwards tomorrow evening and they lose some of their energy. eventually they fade. this takes us through sunday night into the early part of next week and that area of low pressure pulling away. high pressure dominating across scotland, so a fine day here with

mist and low cloud for eastern coast. showers eventually pull away from east anglia and eastern england, so most of us will see spells of sunshine, although there will be quite large amounts of clyde. the temperature is struggling where we have the large amount of cloud. tuesday looks to be a quieter day across the uk and it should be mainly dry with decent spells of sunshine, feeling a bit warmer in the southern half of the uk. but another spell of wet and windy weather pushing in from mid week onwards.

this is bbc news with the latest headlines. party preparations at the palace, as the stars get ready to come out for the platinum jubilee celebrations. and the bunting's still out up and down the country, as people hold street parties to celebrate her majesty's 70 years on the throne. to mark the jubilee, these previously unseen clips of the queen with her horses at sandringham in april have been released on the day she had been due to attend derby day at epsom, but she's unable to attend. but other members of her family are taking part in celebrations around the country, including the duke and duchess of cambridge at cardiff castle. iamjane i amjane hill live on the i am jane hill live on the malware all day we have watched hundreds and

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