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this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. the british prime minister will face a vote of confidence in his leadership this evening. it means that 15% of the party equivalent to sa tory mps have submitted a letter of no confidence in borisjohnson�*s premiership. i have followed the rules that we have in place, i notified the prime minister yesterday that the threshold had been reached, and we agreed the timetable for a confidence vote to take place. close friend and former minister jesse norman becomes the latest mp to submit a letter, accusing the prime minister of presiding over a culture of casual law—breaking at number ten. but at least 180 conservative mps,
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a majority, will have to vote against the prime minister if he is to leave office. but this morning, ministers stand behind him. i think that he will deliver for this country, - and i think it would go on to win a general election. _ the prime minister says he welcomes the opportunity to make his case to mps. within the last hour, it's been confirmed that the prime minister, borisjohnson, will face a vote of confidence in his leadership of the conservative party. that vote will take place between six and eight o'clock this evening. there'll be a count straight away, with the result expected shortly afterwards. only conservative mps will take part, and it will be
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a secret ballot held in one of the party's committee rooms. the vote has been triggered by a threshold being met of at least 5a mps writing to sir graham brady, who chairs the backbench 1922 committee, saying they no longer have confidence in mrjohnson�*s leadership. conservative mps began to turn against the prime minister after revelations about parties and gatherings held during covid lockdowns, and the numbers gathered pace after sue gray's report into that partygate scandal. we'll talk to our political correspondent shortly. first, let's hear sir graham brady's announcement this morning. i'm not making a statement. i've sent out a written statement. i'm really here to answer any questions you have on the process or procedure. i'll say what was in the written statement, if it's helpful to you, which is simply to say that the threshold of 15% of the parliamentary party seeking a vote of confidence in the prime minister has been passed. therefore, a vote of confidence will take place within the rules of the 1922 committee. that vote will take place
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this evening in the house of commons between six and eight o'clock, and we will announce the result shortly thereafter. there will be arrangements for proxy votes for any colleagues who can't be present in person in westminster, and we'll notify colleagues of those arrangements in the near future. did you communicate the news directly to the prime minister? i how did he react? i'm not going to go into details, but i have followed the rules that we have in place. i notified the prime minister yesterday that the threshold had been reached, and we agreed the timetable for a confidence vote to take place. and he shared my view, which is also in line with the rules that we have in place, that vote should happen as soon as could reasonably take place, and that would be today. how many letters have you received? i don't divulge that, but the threshold of 15% has been passed.
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and when was the threshold passed? it's slightly complicated because some colleagues had asked specifically that it should not be until the end of the jubilee celebrations. so did some of them post—date their letters _ so as not to interrupt the jubilee? i think that's not a bad description of what was taking place, and that's when the threshold was breached. therefore, we reach the point where i could communicate with the prime minister yesterday, which i did. and as i said, he agreed with me that we should conduct the vote as quickly as we reasonably can. will the prime minister have - a chance to address the committee? it's always an open invitation to the prime minister to come and speak to the committee. so if he wishes to, we will arrange that meeting this afternoon. have you put one in yourself, a letter? i i'm not going to answer that question, but i think technically it would be possible, but it would be a slightly odd thing to do. are you surprised at the speed -
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with which number ten is moving? you've seen a few of these come and go, these events. _ i'm not surprised by the speed. our rules say it should be done as soon as is reasonable in the circumstances. when we held a vote on theresa may's position in december 2018, we spoke the evening before, and we held a vote the next day. so i suppose it's in line with recent precedent, and i think it's good for everybody to get these things out of the way as quickly and efficiently as possible. i'm not going to speculate about leadership elections. we're holding a vote of confidence, and it will take place today, and you will have a result this evening. is there a feeling that he could... well, a confidence vote, obviously, will provide a clear answer.
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the party will have confidence in the leadership or not have confidence in the leadership. that's the question that will be before my colleagues today for another year. yellow if he survives, can you confirm — yellow if he survives, can you confirm he _ yellow if he survives, can you confirm he is _ yellow if he survives, can you confirm he is safe _ yellow if he survives, can you confirm he is safe for- yellow if he survives, can you confirm he is safe for anotheri yellow if he survives, can you - confirm he is safe for another year? technically it's possible for rules to be changed, but the rule at present is that there would be a year of a period of grace. that was sir graham brady making that announcement in the last hour. let's look again in detail at how conservative mps initiated this leadership challenge. at least 5a of the 359 conservative mps in the commons, that's15%, have now written letters of no confidence to sir graham brady, the chairman of the party's 1922 committee, a committee representing backbench conservative mps. a vote of no confidence in borisjohnson has been scheduled for this evening, and conservative mps will vote in a secret ballot. under current rules, if more than 50% of all tory mps vote against the prime minister, he's ousted and can't stand as a candidate
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in a new leadership election. if mps vote in support, he can stay as party leader and prime minister, and no new vote can be triggered for 12 months. sirgraham sir graham brady sirgraham brady did sir graham brady did acknowledge that you may not necessarily be safe if he survives the vote, that it is possible for the rules to be changed. a spokesperson for mr johnson's officers he welcomes an opportunity to make its case to mps. the former treasury ministerjesse norman this morning said he no longer has confidence in the prime minster and has submitted a letter of no confidence to the chair of the 1922 committee. mr norman published a letter to borisjohnson on twitter, setting out his reasons for withdrawing support, after backing the prime ministerfor 15 years.
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a few moments ago, he spoke to my colleaguejustin webb on the today programme and said partygate was not the sole reason for his letter. the last few days, the publication of the _ the last few days, the publication of the sue — the last few days, the publication of the sue gray report and the queen's— of the sue gray report and the queen's speech, have shown that, actually, _ queen's speech, have shown that, actually, the reasons i am very sorry— actually, the reasons i am very sorry that _ actually, the reasons i am very sorry that the prime minister, as i say, _ sorry that the prime minister, as i say, boris — sorry that the prime minister, as i say, boris absolutely must step down now or _ say, boris absolutely must step down now or be _ say, boris absolutely must step down now or be removed is because we now have a _ now or be removed is because we now have a clear— now or be removed is because we now have a clear picture of a much wider set of— have a clear picture of a much wider set of concerns. and they are not 'ust set of concerns. and they are not just about — set of concerns. and they are not just about partygate, although that is a concern. they are also about core _ is a concern. they are also about core policy— is a concern. they are also about core policy issues, including rwanda
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and article _ core policy issues, including rwanda and article 16, the northern ireland protocol. _ and article 16, the northern ireland protocol, breaching of which could be potentially illegal, and you have also got _ be potentially illegal, and you have also got deep concern about the way in which _ also got deep concern about the way in which policy is being conducted, which _ in which policy is being conducted, which is _ in which policy is being conducted, which is to— in which policy is being conducted, which is to create dividing lines and culture war and political disagreementjust at a and culture war and political disagreement just at a time when we need unifying, inclusive, energetic, positive— need unifying, inclusive, energetic, positive leadership. and of course you also— positive leadership. and of course you also have the constitutional question. — you also have the constitutional question, which is this gradual centralisation of power in number ten, _ centralisation of power in number ten. and — centralisation of power in number ten, and no—one who understands our constitution _ ten, and no—one who understands our constitution could think that is a good _ constitution could think that is a good idea, a prime minister is not a president. _ good idea, a prime minister is not a president, borisjohnson is not a president. — president, borisjohnson is not a president, and it would be a very serious _ president, and it would be a very serious mistake to consider him as such— serious mistake to consider him as such or— serious mistake to consider him as such or treat — serious mistake to consider him as such or treat him as such. ijust want i just want to bring you ijust want to bring you something now, some breaking news in terms of
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a response to the news of the no confidence vote being held, response from the chancellor, rishi sunak, who has tweeted a message of support for the prime minister... that is the chancellor, rishi sunak, who has put out that tweet, showing his support for the prime minister. he is not the only one who has come out, and as we heard earlier, we heard from the conservative mpjesse norman, who was explaining why he had submitted a letter of no confidence. but that response there in the past few minutes from the
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chancellor, rishi sunak. our political editor chris mason gave his assessment of the development. this is happening in turbo speed, not only has the threshold been met, 15% of conservative mps writing to that senior backbencher, sir graham brady, saying they should be a vote of confidence in borisjohnson, but a decision taken between sir graham brady and downing street that they should get on with it, and the prime minister is keen to get on with it, to try to get it out of the way. there is confidence in downing street, in fact across the party, including among sceptics, that he is likely to win the vote, but the bottom line is that a vote of confidence in a political leader is never a good thing, because even if they win arithmetically very comfortably, the act of it happening is damaging, and there will be a number tonight where we know how many conservative mps would rather
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somebody else was the prime minister. and it is an anonymous vote, which means those who might not be tempted to say very much publicly, because they worry for their own prospects, can still cast a vote against him in private. the vote happening between six and eight o'clock, the prime minister will address conservative mps during the course of the day, he has already beenin course of the day, he has already been in touch with them, we will have a result in the middle of the evening tonight, and downing street will hope they can put this behind them. but very, very rarely do leaders manage to be able to put a vote of confidence behind them, they usually stalk them into the future, even if they win. i want to bring you some more — if they win. i want to bring you some more responses - if they win. i want to bring you some more responses to - if they win. i want to bring you some more responses to the l if they win. i want to bring you - some more responses to the news of that no confidence vote, a response from michael gove, who has tweeted, saying, i will be voting for boris this evening...
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another response from another member of the cabinet there, michael gove, showing support for borisjohnson, showing support for boris johnson, and showing support for borisjohnson, and a little earlier we had a response from rishi sunak as well, also showing support. let's hear what the health secretary, sajid javid, had to say earlier this morning. i think that he will deliver for this country, and i think he would go on to win a general election with an ambitious programme for continuous improvements — whether it's to our health service, it's to housing, it's to help with the cost of living challenges. and he's getting on with the job right now. my understanding, i think he's even got a call later this morning with president zelensky, because we've got war in europe, and we've responded strongly to that, very strongly, because of the prime minister and his understanding of the importance of this. so it's all about delivery, that's what i'm focused on, that's why i'm at this hospital today, and that's what the british
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people want to see. health secretary sajid javid. just to make clear, that was before the announcement. let's go to westminster and my colleague victoria derbyshire, what is the latest? ,., ., victoria derbyshire, what is the latest? ., ., , , latest? good morning. the latest is that there is — latest? good morning. the latest is that there is a _ latest? good morning. the latest is that there is a vote _ latest? good morning. the latest is that there is a vote of _ that there is a vote of no—confidence in the prime minister tonight, and conservative mps are returning from their constituencies after thejubilee returning from their constituencies after the jubilee weekend, returning from their constituencies after thejubilee weekend, and they will take part in this vote of no—confidence. it is worth just pausing for a moment and talking through what has happened so far today. at about 6:30am uk time this morning, our political correspondent helen catt was on bbc radio 4, live out there, when she received a text from a conservative mp who does not support the prime minister, saying that a no confidence vote was imminent, about 6:30am. about 7:30am
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on bbc breakfast, we have the health secretary, sajid javid, saying he thought a vote was likely. and then before eight o'clock, a former minister, jesse norman, released a pretty devastating letter to the prime minister, jesse norman is a conservative mp for hereford and south herefordshire, and in the letter he said that borisjohnson had presided over a casual culture of lawbreaking. he said that he did not support mrjohnson any more. at 8:15am uk time, the man in charge of this contest, a man called sir graham brady, conservative mp, announced live on bbc breakfast the threshold for a no—confidence vote in the prime minister had been reached, and he was asked if some of the letters had effectively been postdated, conservative mps had sent out letters or e—mails to him perhaps before the recess, perhaps before the jubilee perhaps before the recess, perhaps before thejubilee weekend, but had to's died on all this morning's
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died. he said, yeah, that is a reasonably accurate description. —— had put today's date on all this morning's date. we are going to talk to a conservative mp who came back to a conservative mp who came back to westminster last night from his north west leicestershire constituency, he is called andrew bridgen. good morning to you, do step into shot here for our viewers on bbc news and bbc world. why are you being so disloyal? weill. on bbc news and bbc world. why are you being so disloyal?— you being so disloyal? well, my lo al is you being so disloyal? well, my loyalty is to _ you being so disloyal? well, my loyalty is to my _ you being so disloyal? well, my loyalty is to my country - you being so disloyal? well, my loyalty is to my country and - you being so disloyal? well, my loyalty is to my country and my | loyalty is to my country and my constituents. in the uk, we don't vote _ constituents. in the uk, we don't vote for— constituents. in the uk, we don't vote for a — constituents. in the uk, we don't vote for a president or prime minister. _ vote for a president or prime minister, the prime minister is there _ minister, the prime minister is there try— minister, the prime minister is there by being the leader of the party— there by being the leader of the party with the most mps after a general— party with the most mps after a general election, and he remains prime _ general election, and he remains prime minister while he maintains the confidence of those mps. tonight we will— the confidence of those mps. tonight we will see _ the confidence of those mps. tonight we will see if borisjohnson maintains that confidence. this we will see if boris johnson maintains that confidence. this is a man who, maintains that confidence. this is a man who. in _ maintains that confidence. this is a man who, in 2019, _ maintains that confidence. this is a
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man who, in 2019, won _ maintains that confidence. this is a man who, in 2019, won you - maintains that confidence. this is a man who, in 2019, won you an - maintains that confidence. this is a man who, in 2019, won you an 80. maintains that confidence. this is a - man who, in 2019, won you an 80 seat majority, won you millions of former labour seats. he majority, won you millions of former labour seats-— labour seats. he certainly played his art labour seats. he certainly played his part with _ labour seats. he certainly played his part with the _ labour seats. he certainly played his part with the election - his part with the election campaign... his part with the election campaign- - -_ his part with the election campaign... his part with the election camaian... , , campaign... he played his part?! aren't you _ campaign... he played his part?! aren't you diminishing _ campaign... he played his part?! aren't you diminishing the - campaign... he played his part?! aren't you diminishing the role i campaign... he played his part?! | aren't you diminishing the role he played? aren't you diminishing the role he -la ed? �* ., , aren't you diminishing the role he -la ed? ,., ., played? boris johnson is a great campaigner. _ played? boris johnson is a great campaigner. but _ played? boris johnson is a great campaigner, but with _ played? boris johnson is a great campaigner, but with it - played? boris johnson is a great campaigner, but with it comes l played? boris johnson is a great campaigner, but with it comes a certain— campaigner, but with it comes a certain amount of baggage, and it is ”p certain amount of baggage, and it is up to— certain amount of baggage, and it is up to the _ certain amount of baggage, and it is up to the parliamentary party to see whether— up to the parliamentary party to see whether the pros and cons balance each other— whether the pros and cons balance each other out, and we will see the vote tonight. each other out, and we will see the vote tonight-— vote tonight. what is it that has led ou vote tonight. what is it that has led you to _ vote tonight. what is it that has led you to get _ vote tonight. what is it that has led you to get to _ vote tonight. what is it that has led you to get to this _ vote tonight. what is it that has led you to get to this point? - vote tonight. what is it that has| led you to get to this point? you had put in a letter of no confidence previously, then you withdrew it, then you put it back in, you can't make up your mind about this guy either. i make up your mind about this guy either. . . , make up your mind about this guy either. ., , , . ., make up your mind about this guy either. , . ., ., , either. i was very clear in january that the prime _ either. i was very clear in january that the prime minister _ either. i was very clear in january that the prime minister should i either. i was very clear in january i that the prime minister should have resigned _ that the prime minister should have resigned in— that the prime minister should have resigned injanuary, it was clear partygate — resigned injanuary, it was clear partygate would grow and grow and run and _ partygate would grow and grow and run and run. i don't think, during the run and run. idon't think, during the peak— run and run. idon't think, during the peak of— run and run. i don't think, during the peak of the ukraine war, the invasion— the peak of the ukraine war, the invasion by— the peak of the ukraine war, the invasion by pete's russia, that was a good _ invasion by pete's russia, that was a good time — invasion by pete's russia, that was a good time to have a leadership
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election — a good time to have a leadership election -- _ a good time to have a leadership election. —— by putin's russia. i said— election. —— by putin's russia. i said i_ election. —— by putin's russia. i said i was— election. —— by putin's russia. i said i was in— election. —— by putin's russia. i said i was in an invidious position, but _ said i was in an invidious position, but... ., .,~ ., said i was in an invidious position, but... ., ., ,, ., ., ., but... you do know that the war in ukraine is — but. .. you do know that the war in ukraine is still— but... you do know that the war in ukraine is still going _ but... you do know that the war in ukraine is still going on? - but... you do know that the war in ukraine is still going on? our - ukraine is still going on? our oli is ukraine is still going on? our policy is set _ ukraine is still going on? our policy is set or— ukraine is still going on? our policy is set or not, _ ukraine is still going on? our policy is set or not, we are shipping _ policy is set or not, we are shipping in arms.— policy is set or not, we are shinina inarms.~ ., , ,, shipping in arms. who is responsible for that? the — shipping in arms. who is responsible for that? the conservative _ for that? the conservative government. _ for that? the conservative government. at _ for that? the conservative government. at the - for that? the conservative government. at the end i for that? the conservative| government. at the end of for that? the conservative - government. at the end of the day, most _ government. at the end of the day, most of— government. at the end of the day, most of what has happened over the last six— most of what has happened over the last six months in number ten, policy— last six months in number ten, policy has — last six months in number ten, policy has been set to sustain the position— policy has been set to sustain the position of— policy has been set to sustain the position of the prime minister, one man. _ position of the prime minister, one man. not— position of the prime minister, one man, not the country, and that is not going — man, not the country, and that is not going to _ man, not the country, and that is not going to stop now. we have the privileges _ not going to stop now. we have the privileges committee reporting on whether— privileges committee reporting on whether the prime minister deliberately misled parliament. this will have _ deliberately misled parliament. this will have been running on for almost a year. _ will have been running on for almost a year, distracting the government. that is— a year, distracting the government. that is no— a year, distracting the government. that is no way to run a government, and i_ that is no way to run a government, and i think— that is no way to run a government, and i think the public are exasperated with it. | and i think the public are exasperated with it. i am still not clear what it _ exasperated with it. i am still not clear what it is _ exasperated with it. i am still not clear what it is that _ exasperated with it. i am still not clear what it is that has _ exasperated with it. i am still not clear what it is that has led - exasperated with it. i am still not clear what it is that has led you i exasperated with it. i am still not| clear what it is that has led you to this point? i
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clear what it is that has led you to this oint? ., �* ~' clear what it is that has led you to this point?— clear what it is that has led you to this oint? ., �* ,, , this point? i don't think you can be in charue this point? i don't think you can be in charge of— this point? i don't think you can be in charge of setting _ this point? i don't think you can be in charge of setting the _ this point? i don't think you can be in charge of setting the rules - in charge of setting the rules during — in charge of setting the rules during lockdown and then blatantly allowing _ during lockdown and then blatantly allowing people under your direct leadership to break those rules... sorry. _ leadership to break those rules... sorry, forgive me, you knew that in january, you knew that when he got the fine, then you said whoa in ukraine was not the right time. i don't get now why you are here now. —— war in ukraine. i don't get now why you are here now. -- war in ukraine.— -- war in ukraine. i ob'ected to the wa that -- war in ukraine. i ob'ected to the way that number _ -- war in ukraine. i ob'ected to the way that number ten — -- war in ukraine. i objected to the way that number ten used - -- war in ukraine. i objected to the way that number ten used to - -- war in ukraine. i objected to the way that number ten used to fear. -- war in ukraine. i objected to the l way that number ten used to fear of covid _ way that number ten used to fear of covid to— way that number ten used to fear of covid to drive compliance with draconian _ covid to drive compliance with draconian measures during the lockdowns, and clearly there was a number— lockdowns, and clearly there was a number ten lockdowns, and clearly there was a numberten were lockdowns, and clearly there was a number ten were not scared of catching — number ten were not scared of catching covid, there was no social distancing. — catching covid, there was no social distancing, as we saw in the sue gray— distancing, as we saw in the sue gray report, there was no facemasks, yet compliance by within the public was driven— yet compliance by within the public was driven by fear, and i do not think— was driven by fear, and i do not think that — was driven by fear, and i do not think that is forgivable. so was driven by fear, and i do not think that is forgivable.- was driven by fear, and i do not think that is forgivable. so this is about the behaviour _ think that is forgivable. so this is about the behaviour of _
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think that is forgivable. so this is about the behaviour of the - think that is forgivable. so this is about the behaviour of the prime minister, the character, rather than policies. i minister, the character, rather than olicies. ., ., , _ minister, the character, rather than olicies. ., ., , ,, ., policies. i am unhappy with some of the policies — policies. i am unhappy with some of the policies that _ policies. i am unhappy with some of the policies that we _ policies. i am unhappy with some of the policies that we have _ policies. i am unhappy with some of the policies that we have brought i the policies that we have brought in, the policies that we have brought in. such— the policies that we have brought in. such as — the policies that we have brought in, such as the national insurance increase — in, such as the national insurance increase during a cost of living crisis. — increase during a cost of living crisis, increasing the burden of taxation— crisis, increasing the burden of taxation is _ crisis, increasing the burden of taxation is. i can't see the sense at taxation is. ican't see the sense at all— taxation is. i can't see the sense at all in — taxation is. i can't see the sense at all in raising corporation tax. in at all in raising corporation tax. in the _ at all in raising corporation tax. in the 12 — at all in raising corporation tax. in the 12 years i have been an mp, we have— in the 12 years i have been an mp, we have dropped it from 30% to 19% and got _ we have dropped it from 30% to 19% and got more money in, i will defy anyone _ and got more money in, i will defy anyone to — and got more money in, i will defy anyone to tell me that we will get more _ anyone to tell me that we will get more money and by putting it up to 30% now _ more money and by putting it up to 3096 now. ., ., ., ., .,, ., , 3096 now. corporation tax has gone up to 2596. universal— 3096 now. corporation tax has gone up to 2596. universal benefits, _ 3096 now. corporation tax has gone up to 2596. universal benefits, £400 - 3096 now. corporation tax has gone up to 2596. universal benefits, £400 to i to 2596. universal benefits, £400 to every single — to 2596. universal benefits, £400 to every single household... _ to 2596. universal benefits, £400 to every single household... to - to 2596. universal benefits, £400 to every single household... to help i every single household... to help with the cost _ every single household... to help with the cost of _ every single household... to help with the cost of living _ every single household... to help with the cost of living crisis! - with the cost of living crisis! well, let's not take so much tax off people _ well, let's not take so much tax off people. millionaires with multiple households will get £400 for every house _ households will get £400 for every house they own, that is not either fair. _ house they own, that is not either fair, equitable, ora good house they own, that is not either fair, equitable, or a good use of government time to tax everybody so much _ government time to tax everybody so much that— government time to tax everybody so
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much that everybody needs to be on benefits. _ much that everybody needs to be on benefits, that is not a conservative policy~ _ benefits, that is not a conservative oli . . �* . benefits, that is not a conservative oli . , �* , ., benefits, that is not a conservative policy. isn't this more about self interest? what _ policy. isn't this more about self interest? what is _ policy. isn't this more about self interest? what is your _ policy. isn't this more about selfj interest? what is your majority? 20,400, my seat is delivering the highest _ 20,400, my seat is delivering the highest economic growth in the uk. well. _ highest economic growth in the uk. well. so _ highest economic growth in the uk. well, so you say, i will take your word for it, but we have got the by—election and —— devon coming up, in tiverton, a majority of 24,000, and it might be overturned by the liberal democrats, that is what the bookies and posters are saying. in wakefield, a former labour seat up until 2019, wakefield, a former labour seat up until2019, much wakefield, a former labour seat up until 2019, much smaller majority, 3500, and there are other mps around the country who are thinking, oh, i might lose my seat if borisjohnson carries on as prime minister, it is about self interest. flat carries on as prime minister, it is about self interest.— carries on as prime minister, it is about self interest. not for me, but ultimately we _
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about self interest. not for me, but ultimately we all _ about self interest. not for me, but ultimately we all answer _ about self interest. not for me, but ultimately we all answer to - about self interest. not for me, but ultimately we all answer to the - ultimately we all answer to the public. — ultimately we all answer to the public, however big our majorities are. public, however big our majorities are there — public, however big our majorities are. there is no such thing as a safe _ are. there is no such thing as a safe seat— are. there is no such thing as a safe seat any more. we lost in north shropshire, — safe seat any more. we lost in north shropshire, didn't we? that was considered — shropshire, didn't we? that was considered safe seat. so there is an old saying. — considered safe seat. so there is an old saying, you know, when the public— old saying, you know, when the public are — old saying, you know, when the public are scared of the politicians, it is tyranny. when the politicians — politicians, it is tyranny. when the politicians are scared of the public. _ politicians are scared of the public, that is democracy. in this democracy _ public, that is democracy. in this democracy right _ public, that is democracy. in this democracy right now, _ public, that is democracy. in this democracy right now, people - public, that is democracy. in this democracy right now, people are worried about how to put food on the table for their kids, people are making horrific choices between whether to put the heating on when it is cold or to actually buy some tea for the family. and you lot are navel—gazing and thinking there might be a leadership contest in the conservative party if borisjohnson loses. conservative party if boris johnson loses. ., ., , �* loses. that doesn't stop the government _ loses. that doesn't stop the government functioning... l loses. that doesn't stop the l government functioning... of loses. that doesn't stop the - government functioning... of because it does! you — government functioning... of because it does! you have _ government functioning... of because it does! you have just _ government functioning... of because it does! you have just said _ government functioning... of because it does! you have just said that - government functioning... of because it does! you have just said that the i it does! you have just said that the prime minister seems to be set on literally sustaining his own survival, and that has gone on for six months, a leadership contest would go on for weeks, if not
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months. ~ ., , months. well, we will have summer recess, months. well, we will have summer recess. that — months. well, we will have summer recess. that is _ months. well, we will have summer recess, that is the _ months. well, we will have summer recess, that is the ideal _ months. well, we will have summer recess, that is the ideal time - months. well, we will have summer recess, that is the ideal time for - recess, that is the ideal time for that leadership election. but, ultimately, we are where we are, the prime _ ultimately, we are where we are, the prime minister could have taken a decision— prime minister could have taken a decision in— prime minister could have taken a decision in the national interest and resigned injanuary as partygate broke _ and resigned injanuary as partygate broke i_ and resigned injanuary as partygate broke. i think that would have been a better— broke. i think that would have been a better solution for him, certainly for the _ a better solution for him, certainly for the country, for the government, and for— for the country, for the government, and for the _ for the country, for the government, and for the conservative party. 30 and for the conservative party. sc what and for the conservative party. what do you and for the conservative party. ’ir what do you say and for the conservative party. 5r what do you say to and for the conservative party. 5;r what do you say to constituents and for the conservative party. 5r what do you say to constituents and other voters who are thinking this is so... welcome in the words of nadine dorries, the culture secretary, she described people like yourself as narcissistic. itrefoil. yourself as narcissistic. well, there is a _ yourself as narcissistic. well, there is a word! _ yourself as narcissistic. well, there is a word! are - yourself as narcissistic. well, there is a word! are you? - yourself as narcissistic. well, there is a word! are you? is i yourself as narcissistic. well, i there is a word! are you? is that what ou there is a word! are you? is that what you are _ there is a word! are you? is that what you are doing? _ there is a word! are you? is that what you are doing? i _ there is a word! are you? is that what you are doing? i think - there is a word! are you? is that what you are doing? i think we l there is a word! are you? is that l what you are doing? i think we are actin: in what you are doing? i think we are acting in the _ what you are doing? i think we are acting in the ultimate _ what you are doing? i think we are acting in the ultimate interest - what you are doing? i think we are acting in the ultimate interest of. acting in the ultimate interest of the government and the country. we can't carry— the government and the country. we can't carry on — the government and the country. we can't carry on like this, partygate isn't _ can't carry on like this, partygate isn't going — can't carry on like this, partygate isn't going to go away, it will be nearly— isn't going to go away, it will be nearly a — isn't going to go away, it will be nearly a year. the old adage, six or seven— nearly a year. the old adage, six or seven days — nearly a year. the old adage, six or seven days on the front pages, you
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had to— seven days on the front pages, you had to resign. this has been six months — had to resign. this has been six months and it is not going away. i don't _ months and it is not going away. i don't believe the public are going to forgive — don't believe the public are going to forgive and forget those breaches of the _ to forgive and forget those breaches of the rules at number ten during the lockdown. quite honestly, everyone _ the lockdown. quite honestly, everyone has got their own experiences of the sacrifices we all made _ experiences of the sacrifices we all made for— experiences of the sacrifices we all made for the greater good, and i feel very— made for the greater good, and i feel very betrayed. it is very raw, and i_ feel very betrayed. it is very raw, and i do — feel very betrayed. it is very raw, and i do not — feel very betrayed. it is very raw, and i do not think people are going to forgive _ and i do not think people are going to forgive and forget. so and i do not think people are going to forgive and forget.— to forgive and forget. so the vote is toni . ht to forgive and forget. so the vote is tonight between _ to forgive and forget. so the vote is tonight between six _ to forgive and forget. so the vote is tonight between six and - to forgive and forget. so the vote is tonight between six and eight, | is tonight between six and eight, potentially we will have a result soon after that, once the counting is done, as the prime minister going to win this? i is done, as the prime minister going to win this? �* is done, as the prime minister going to win this?— to win this? i can't speak for colleagues- _ to win this? i can't speak for colleagues. what _ to win this? i can't speak for colleagues. what do - to win this? i can't speak for colleagues. what do you - to win this? i can't speak for i colleagues. what do you think? to win this? i can't speak for - colleagues. what do you think? my feelin: is, colleagues. what do you think? my feeling is, because _ colleagues. what do you think? my feeling is, because it _ colleagues. what do you think? my feeling is, because it is _ colleagues. what do you think? my feeling is, because it is a _ colleagues. what do you think? my feeling is, because it is a secret - feeling is, because it is a secret ballot _ feeling is, because it is a secret ballot and — feeling is, because it is a secret ballot and there has been quite a lot of— ballot and there has been quite a lot of intimidation within the party to suppress the letters and i think colleagues have felt that... intimidation? like what, for example?— intimidation? like what, for examle? , ., ., , example? there has been a fair bit of arm-twisting. _ example? there has been a fair bit of arm-twisting. that _ example? there has been a fair bit
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of arm-twisting. that is _ example? there has been a fair bit of arm-twisting. that is different l of arm-twisting. that is different from intimidation, _ of arm-twisting. that is different from intimidation, isn't - of arm-twisting. that is different from intimidation, isn't it? - of arm-twisting. that is different from intimidation, isn't it? it- from intimidation, isn't it? it depends how hard you twist, victoria! _ depends how hard you twist, victoria! . , ., depends how hard you twist, victoria! ., , ., ., depends how hard you twist, victoria! ., ., ., i] depends how hard you twist, victoria! ., ., ., m victoria! have you had a call? i had a call from — victoria! have you had a call? i had a call from number— victoria! have you had a call? i had a call from number ten _ victoria! have you had a call? i had a call from number ten last- victoria! have you had a call? i had a call from number ten last night. | a call from number ten last night. saying _ a call from number ten last night. saying what?— a call from number ten last night. sa in: what? , ., ., saying what? trying to finger me for roducin: saying what? trying to finger me for producing some _ saying what? trying to finger me for producing some briefing _ saying what? trying to finger me for producing some briefing about - saying what? trying to finger me for producing some briefing about the i producing some briefing about the leadership issue.— leadership issue. sorry, so they were on the _ leadership issue. sorry, so they were on the phone _ leadership issue. sorry, so they were on the phone to _ leadership issue. sorry, so they were on the phone to you, - leadership issue. sorry, so they were on the phone to you, who| leadership issue. sorry, so they - were on the phone to you, who made the call? i were on the phone to you, who made the call? ., ., ., ., ., the call? i am not going to get into the call? i am not going to get into the personalities. _ the call? i am not going to get into the personalities. they _ the call? i am not going to get into the personalities. they made - the call? i am not going to get into the personalities. they made a - the call? i am not going to get into the personalities. they made a call sa in: , the personalities. they made a call saying. what _ the personalities. they made a call saying. what are — the personalities. they made a call saying, what are you _ the personalities. they made a call saying, what are you doing, - the personalities. they made a call saying, what are you doing, you i the personalities. they made a call| saying, what are you doing, you are sending a briefing to other conservatives or don't support the prime minister or who are wavering? and i hadn't. isaid i didn't and i hadn't. i said i didn't originate... i had seen the article but i _ originate... i had seen the article but i did — originate... i had seen the article but i did not— originate... i had seen the article but i did not originate it. the originate. .. i had seen the article but i did not originate it.- but i did not originate it. the list of reasons _ but i did not originate it. the list of reasons why _ but i did not originate it. the list of reasons why conservative - but i did not originate it. the list| of reasons why conservative mps should be supporting borisjohnson. have you seen it? yes. what is on it? the fact _ have you seen it? yes. what is on it? the fact that _ have you seen it? yes. what is on it? the fact that he _ have you seen it? yes. what is on it? the fact that he is _ have you seen it? yes. what is on it? the fact that he is no - have you seen it? yes. what is on it? the fact that he is no longer. have you seen it? yes. what is on| it? the fact that he is no longer an electoral asset, _ it? the fact that he is no longer an electoral asset, that _ it? the fact that he is no longer an electoral asset, that obviously - it? the fact that he is no longer an electoral asset, that obviously we | electoral asset, that obviously we are facing — electoral asset, that obviously we are facing labour in the north and possibly— are facing labour in the north and possibly the lib dems in the south,
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talking _ possibly the lib dems in the south, talking about his poll ratings, which. — talking about his poll ratings, which. i— talking about his poll ratings, which, i mean, if you look at the poll ratings. _ which, i mean, if you look at the poll ratings, the prime minister is the only— poll ratings, the prime minister is the only member of the cabinet with a negative _ the only member of the cabinet with a negative rating, rated worse than the party — a negative rating, rated worse than the party. that means he is a drag on the _ the party. that means he is a drag on the ticket, and number ten will~~~ — on the ticket, and number ten will~~~ it— on the ticket, and number ten will~~~ it is— on the ticket, and number ten will... it is not normal for a conservative mp to be booed outside st paul's _ conservative mp to be booed outside st paul's cathedral. the last time i was at _ st paul's cathedral. the last time i was at st— st paul's cathedral. the last time i was at st paul's cathedral was for mrs thatcher's funeral, and the only person— mrs thatcher's funeral, and the only person who — mrs thatcher's funeral, and the only person who got booed was tony blair. is he person who got booed was tony blair. is he going _ person who got booed was tony blair. is he going to win this vote? he person who got booed was tony blair. is he going to win this vote?— is he going to win this vote? he may well do, i is he going to win this vote? he may well do. i can't _ is he going to win this vote? he may well do, i can't speak— is he going to win this vote? he may well do, i can't speak for _ well do, i can't speak for colleagues, but under the mechanism we have _ colleagues, but under the mechanism we have got, that would be it for a year. _ we have got, that would be it for a year. and — we have got, that would be it for a year, and that would take us very close _ year, and that would take us very close to _ year, and that would take us very close to the — year, and that would take us very close to the next general election. what _ close to the next general election. what position would not put your party in? what position would not put your -a in? ~ . what position would not put your -a in? ~ , ., party in? well, we will see. i would bear in mind _ party in? well, we will see. i would bear in mind that _ party in? well, we will see. i would bear in mind that the _ party in? well, we will see. i would bear in mind that the rules - party in? well, we will see. i would bear in mind that the rules of- party in? well, we will see. i would bear in mind that the rules of the i bear in mind that the rules of the 1922 committee can be changed... just for— 1922 committee can be changed... just for viewers who would want to know more, the backbench committee for conservative mps. so you could
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change the rules and have another p0p change the rules and have another pop at him?— change the rules and have another -o- at him? ~ . . pop at him? well, we threatened that with theresa — pop at him? well, we threatened that with theresa may, _ pop at him? well, we threatened that with theresa may, didn't _ pop at him? well, we threatened that with theresa may, didn't we? - pop at him? well, we threatened that with theresa may, didn't we? with . with theresa may, didn't we? with friends like — with theresa may, didn't we? with friends like you, _ with theresa may, didn't we? tn friends like you, who needs enemies?!— friends like you, who needs enemies?! ~ . ., , ,, enemies?! we have to be ruthless, otherwise we _ enemies?! we have to be ruthless, otherwise we will _ enemies?! we have to be ruthless, otherwise we will end _ enemies?! we have to be ruthless, otherwise we will end up _ enemies?! we have to be ruthless, otherwise we will end up with - otherwise we will end up with socialists in power, with all that entails! — socialists in power, with all that entails! so socialists in power, with all that entails! , ., get rid of borisjohnson as your leader and the prime minister, labour will win the next election. by labour will win the next election. by default, i don't think sir keir by default, idon't think sir keir starmer— by default, i don't think sir keir starmer and the labour party have laid a _ starmer and the labour party have laid a glove — starmer and the labour party have laid a glove on the conservative government, but there has been a lot of self—inflicted wounds, and the public— of self—inflicted wounds, and the public don't really like little self— harm. public don't really like little self—harm. if public don't really like little self-harm— public don't really like little self-harm. ., ., self-harm. if you got a call today from number— self-harm. if you got a call today from number ten, _ self-harm. if you got a call today from number ten, saying, - self-harm. if you got a call today from number ten, saying, look, | self-harm. if you got a call today i from number ten, saying, look, we from numberten, saying, look, we have this amazing trade envoyjob, we think you would be perfect for it, which could be going on, you call it arm—twisting, it could be offers of knighthoods, what about that? it offers of knighthoods, what about that? ., , ., offers of knighthoods, what about that? . , . . ., offers of knighthoods, what about that? . , . . . ., that? it has a certain ring to it, i have been _ that? it has a certain ring to it, i have been offered _ that? it has a certain ring to it, i have been offered the _ that? it has a certain ring to it, i have been offered the trade - that? it has a certain ring to it, i i have been offered the trade envoy that? it has a certain ring to it, i - have been offered the trade envoy is many— have been offered the trade envoy is many times— have been offered the trade envoy is
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many times over. that requires you to vote _ many times over. that requires you to vote always with the government, and i've _ to vote always with the government, and i've never accepted that particular poisoned chalice. so the arm-twisting _ particular poisoned chalice. so the arm-twisting won't _ particular poisoned chalice. so the arm-twisting won't work _ particular poisoned chalice. so the arm-twisting won't work with - particular poisoned chalice. so the arm-twisting won't work with you. arm—twisting won't work with you. thank you very much for talking to us. what happens today? do you all sort of gather and gossip? there will be a committee _ sort of gather and gossip? there will be a committee room - sort of gather and gossip? there j will be a committee room setup, normally— will be a committee room setup, normally committee room 14, where the 1922 _ normally committee room 14, where the 1922 committee normally meets, and i the 1922 committee normally meets, and i will— the 1922 committee normally meets, and i will be a ballad set up, you will go _ and i will be a ballad set up, you will go in. — and i will be a ballad set up, you will go in, be checked off a list, given— will go in, be checked off a list, given a — will go in, be checked off a list, given a ballot paper, you will go into a _ given a ballot paper, you will go into a little booth and fill it in as a _ into a little booth and fill it in as a secret ballot, and you put it on the _ as a secret ballot, and you put it on the ballot box yourself. how long will it _ on the ballot box yourself. how long will it take _ on the ballot box yourself. how long will it take to count? well, they will it take to count? well, they will have — will it take to count? well, they will have to check it, but there are only 300 _ will have to check it, but there are only 300 and whatever it is, 360, 380~ _ only 300 and whatever it is, 360, 380. ., ~ , ., y only 300 and whatever it is, 360, 380. ., ~ _, y . only 300 and whatever it is, 360, 380. ., y . ., ~ 380. ok, thank you very much, thank ou for 380. ok, thank you very much, thank you for your — 380. ok, thank you very much, thank you for your time. _ 380. ok, thank you very much, thank you for your time. i _ 380. ok, thank you very much, thank you for your time. i think _ 380. ok, thank you very much, thank you for your time. i think they - 380. ok, thank you very much, thank you for your time. i think they will. you for your time. i think they will do it very carefully, _ you for your time. i think they will do it very carefully, i _ you for your time. i think they will do it very carefully, i don't - you for your time. i think they will do it very carefully, i don't think. do it very carefully, i don't think they— do it very carefully, i don't think they will— do it very carefully, i don't think they will want to make a mistake. thank— they will want to make a mistake. thank you — they will want to make a mistake. thank you for your time, cheers. so
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thatis thank you for your time, cheers. so that is where we are, that is one conservative mp who will definitely not be supporting the prime minister in a no—confidence vote tonight, and we imagine we will talk to more as they return from their constituencies today to find out which way they are going to vote. of course, as andrew bridgen said, it is a secret ballot, so michael gove, cabinet member, cabinet minister, has already come out and set up because he will be supporting the prime minister, you would expect his top team to be saying that publicly, but actually he can vote anywhere he likes once he gets into the committee room. foreign secretary liz truss has just tweeted, the prime minister has my 100% backing into day's vote and i strongly urge colleagues to support him. of course, the foreign secretary would be a potential leadership candidate if we get to that point. we can bring in political correspondent helen catt, you might have to come in a little bit, helen. right, 0k, in a little bit, helen. right, ok, so it is happening, and happening
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perhaps a little more swiftly than people thought after the jubilee bank holiday weekend. the interesting thing was that sir graham brady said that some of the 54 letters that went on were a factor post dated, that they had not been any appetite, and we knew that last week, there wasn't an appetite to disrupt the jubilee last week, there wasn't an appetite to disrupt thejubilee celebrations. some of them went on last week but were postdated to today, which is why it has come in a big rush this morning. there certainly have been a feeling in westminster that when it happened, if it happened, it would happened, if it happened, it would happen quickly. whether they were expecting at quite so fast as eight o'clock this morning, maybe perhaps not quite that fast, but it is happening. 5h not quite that fast, but it is happening-— not quite that fast, but it is haueninu. ,, . a, , not quite that fast, but it is hautenin. ., ., fl, ., , happening. sir graham brady actually notified number _ happening. sir graham brady actually notified number 10 _ happening. sir graham brady actually notified number 10 yesterday - notified number 10 yesterday afternoon, we think? this notified number 10 yesterday afternoon, we think?- notified number 10 yesterday afternoon, we think? this is part of the process. _ afternoon, we think? this is part of the process, once _ afternoon, we think? this is part of the process, once the _ afternoon, we think? this is part of the process, once the letters - afternoon, we think? this is part of the process, once the letters are i the process, once the letters are reached, the way that the contest, the vote of confidence, works, graham brady contacts the prime minister or number 10 and they come up minister or number 10 and they come up with the timescale for running the boat. it is usually very swift. we have seen that in the past, it usually happens with an or certainly
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days of the threshold been reached. 0bviously they have decided they will do it all in the one day to day, to get through it, so that it doesn't drag on. the actual ballot will take place between 6pm and 8pm this evening, they will count the votes and there will be an announcement afterwards. when it happened with theresa may, i think it was an hour or so after that. we should have a result by the end of today. islate should have a result by the end of toda . ~ . ., . should have a result by the end of toda .~ . ., . , today. we have no idea if boris johnson will— today. we have no idea if boris johnson will win _ today. we have no idea if boris johnson will win or _ today. we have no idea if boris johnson will win or lose? - today. we have no idea if boris johnson will win or lose? we i today. we have no idea if boris - johnson will win or lose? we don't, fundamentally _ johnson will win or lose? we don't, fundamentally because _ johnson will win or lose? we don't, fundamentally because it _ johnson will win or lose? we don't, fundamentally because it is - johnson will win or lose? we don't, fundamentally because it is a - johnson will win or lose? we don't, | fundamentally because it is a secret ballot. it will be up to every individual conservative mp, when they are standing with their ballot paper, to decide what they are going to do. it is a secret ballot, we can go on what they say publicly. we had several cabinet ministers coming out to say that they will back boris johnson. we also had some really strong criticism. jesse norman, a former borisjohnson ally coming out with some strident criticism and saying he wanted to call the vote of confidence. we have got what they
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said publicly, but it is difficult to gauge how that will translate once we get into the actual voting. number 10 once we get into the actual voting. number10 might once we get into the actual voting. number 10 might say, once we get into the actual voting. number10 might say, we once we get into the actual voting. number 10 might say, we have a lot of people on the payroll, ministers, or known as pps, another government rank that would be expected to vote for them, rank that would be expected to vote forthem, but rank that would be expected to vote for them, but they can do what they like, because it is a secret ballot. you can't take that as a given. when you talk to conservative mps, there is a really mixed mood. there are some who absolutely do back boris johnson, 100%. they think he is the right man for thejob. johnson, 100%. they think he is the right man for the job. there are a lot of them who either really don't, or those in the middle, who are conflicted, and they are generally conflicted, and they are generally conflicted, some of the mps i have spoken to, that they may not have wanted to write a letter should trigger a contest, but they are also finding it really difficult to defend some of the things that have happened in a number10 defend some of the things that have happened in a number 10 over the last few months. it's a real
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conflict for them, and today is the day when they are going to have to come down on one side or the other. so i think the expectation is that he will probably win it, but the key thing is going to be looking at the numbers. it would take 180 conservative mps to vote against him to remove borisjohnson as leader. but if he does win, it is how much does he win by? if those numbers are very close, then that will not do what number 10 hopes will happen, which is to draw a line under things, because it risks chipping away at his authority. 50 things, because it risks chipping away at his authority.— things, because it risks chipping away at his authority. so he could win by one _ away at his authority. so he could win by one vote? _ away at his authority. so he could win by one vote? he _ away at his authority. so he could win by one vote? he could. - away at his authority. so he could win by one vote? he could. i - away at his authority. so he could win by one vote? he could. i do i away at his authority. so he could i win by one vote? he could. i do mps really think— win by one vote? he could. i do mps really think he _ win by one vote? he could. i do mps really think he would _ win by one vote? he could. i do mps really think he would resign - win by one vote? he could. i do mps really think he would resign as - really think he would resign as prime minister if he has won, even if it is by one vote? i prime minister if he has won, even if it is by one vote?— if it is by one vote? i think there would be enormous _ if it is by one vote? i think there would be enormous pressure . if it is by one vote? i think there would be enormous pressure on j if it is by one vote? i think there - would be enormous pressure on him to do so, but ultimately it would be up to him. certainly the talking westminster is that nobody really expects that borisjohnson would resign in that scenario. again, it will totally depend on what the
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numbers look like. if will totally depend on what the numbers look like.— will totally depend on what the numbers look like. if the margin is a small, numbers look like. if the margin is a small. it — numbers look like. if the margin is a small, it means _ numbers look like. if the margin is a small, it means potentially - numbers look like. if the margin is a small, it means potentially thatl a small, it means potentially that his authority continues to drain away? his authority continues to drain awa ? �* . . his authority continues to drain awa ? . . , his authority continues to drain awa? away? and as we saw, even the fact of havin: away? and as we saw, even the fact of having a — away? and as we saw, even the fact of having a confidence _ away? and as we saw, even the fact of having a confidence vote - away? and as we saw, even the fact of having a confidence vote can - away? and as we saw, even the fact of having a confidence vote can do i of having a confidence vote can do that. if you think back to theresa may, she won the confidence vote in her leadership, but she didn't last much longer after that. so even the fact of having one can produce that effect as well. so, a lot will depend on what those final numbers are this evening.— are this evening. thank you very much for the _ are this evening. thank you very much for the moment, - are this evening. thank you very much for the moment, helen. i much for the moment, helen. 0bviously much for the moment, helen. obviously we are going to talk to many more guests throughout the day. i think there is a tweet from dominic raab, the debit a prime minister, i don't know what it says, but hopefully our audience can be shown the actual tweet. i have got it now. the prime minister has got the big calls right, securing vaccines, firing up the economy and standing up to put on the gravel stop that is the deputy prime minister. the justice stop that is the deputy prime minister. thejustice secretary. as you would expect, the cabinet, the
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top team, they are all coming out on twitter or in public, as the health secretary was on the airwaves this morning, saying they absolutely backed the prime minister. they are trying to encourage enough colleagues to make sure they don't vote against the prime minister in this no—confidence ballot this evening. i think we are going to talk to a pollster now, do you have a microphone? perfect. come on, jamesjohnson. good morning to you. you are from an organisation called jl partners, and you have done what i would consider to be a is a small sampling of polling in wakefield, an online poll, 500 people in wakefield over a period of time. this is important because this is where the by—election is on the 23rd ofjune, as well as the one in devon, the conservative mp there had to resign after being found guilty of sexually assaulting a teenager. tell us what you found. islate
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assaulting a teenager. tell us what ou found. ~ . ,., you found. we did a poll in wakefield. _ you found. we did a poll in wakefield, showing - you found. we did a poll in wakefield, showing labour you found. we did a poll in - wakefield, showing labour taking a 20 point lead over the conservatives. for context, last time, labourwere conservatives. for context, last time, labour were seven points behind the conservatives. it was one of the key seat that boris johnson gained in 2019. the main reason people go before voting labour, including the swing voters, was borisjohnson, that he lied over partygate and try to cover it up. the second most common reason was that boris johnson the second most common reason was that borisjohnson is out of touch with working class people. a bad result for the conservatives if it is replicated in two weeks, but in voters minds it has links to the prime minister. islate voters minds it has links to the prime minister.— voters minds it has links to the prime minister. ~ . . . , prime minister. we have had cabinet ministers over— prime minister. we have had cabinet ministers over the _ prime minister. we have had cabinet ministers over the last _ prime minister. we have had cabinet ministers over the last 24 _ prime minister. we have had cabinet ministers over the last 24 hour- ministers over the last 24 hour saying the only poll that counts is the one on the day, we will see what people say. how trustworthy are these snapshots of opinion? certainly, something like the last nine constituency polls we have done have been right all within the margin of error of being right. we are pretty confident the show something real. labour only needed a 4% swing to win the seat. the 496 swing to win the seat. the ma'ori 496 swing to win the seat. the majority are — 4% swing to win the seat. the majority are something like 3500, pretty small? so the swing is not
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implausible? i pretty small? so the swing is not implausible?— implausible? i think it is pretty male donor— implausible? i think it is pretty male donor that _ implausible? i think it is pretty male donor that labour - implausible? i think it is pretty male donor that labour are - implausible? i think it is pretty i male donor that labour are going implausible? i think it is pretty - male donor that labour are going to gain a seat, the question is, is going to be a big enough margin to really concern conservative mps? tiverton and honiton, another by—election coming up on the 23rd, thatis by—election coming up on the 23rd, that is a little bit tighter, that could go either way, potentially too close to call. could go either way, potentially too close to call-— close to call. between the conservatives _ close to call. between the conservatives and - close to call. between the conservatives and the - close to call. between the conservatives and the lib | close to call. between the - conservatives and the lib dems? close to call. between the _ conservatives and the lib dems? the former mp there has a majority of 24,500, a huge majority to overturn. we saw that in north shropshire? the we saw that in north shropshire? tie: interesting thing is, the swing needed, the amount transferring over to the lib dems from the conservatives to win tiverton and honiton is actually smaller than the swing needed for north shropshire, the seats that the lib dems gained. real concerns for the conservatives there. t real concerns for the conservatives there. ., �* ,, ., real concerns for the conservatives there. ,, ., real concerns for the conservatives there. ., �* ,, ., there. i don't know if i can ask you broader questions, _ there. i don't know if i can ask you broader questions, but _ there. i don't know if i can ask you broader questions, but is - there. i don't know if i can ask you broader questions, but is there - there. i don't know if i can ask you broader questions, but is there a l broader questions, but is there a reason why conservative mps have not waited until the outcome of those
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two by—elections? waited until the outcome of those two by-elections?_ waited until the outcome of those two by-elections? thing conservative mps are making _ two by-elections? thing conservative mps are making the _ two by-elections? thing conservative mps are making the judgment - two by-elections? thing conservative mps are making the judgment they i mps are making the judgment they will probably use those by—elections anyway. it is strange how these things work, it is all about momentum. clearly, conservative rebels feel they have momentum of the moment. i think the booing we saw at st paul's cathedral, it frustrates pollsters like me that would rather go with later, did some of borisjohnson's in popularity in the country. the key number is the percentage of people who feel that borisjohnson is trustworthy. there are 2020 and 2021, conservative voter said by about a margin of 55% to 25%, about two to one, that boris johnson was trustworthy. since january, that has completely flipped. conservative voters, those that voted for boris johnson flipped. conservative voters, those that voted for borisjohnson in 2019, they now say by the same margin that borisjohnson is untrustworthy. that trust with the electorate has snapped. i think a lot of conservative mps will be thinking about that when it comes to
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how they vote. 55% trustworthy under 25 trustworthy in 2021, and now it is the opposite. that 25 trustworthy in 2021, and now it is the opposite-— is the opposite. that was 'ust in wakefreu? fl is the opposite. that was 'ust in wakefield? conservative _ is the opposite. that was just in wakefield? conservative voters | wakefield? conservative voters across the _ wakefield? conservative voters across the country. _ wakefield? conservative voters across the country. that - wakefield? conservative voters across the country. that is - across the country. that is interesting. _ across the country. that is interesting. with - across the country. that is interesting. with leave i across the country. that is - interesting. with leave photos, he was seen as _ interesting. with leave photos, he was seen as trustworthy _ interesting. with leave photos, he was seen as trustworthy by - interesting. with leave photos, he was seen as trustworthy by lever i was seen as trustworthy by lever voters in the last three years, that has flipped. if you are losing the trust of voters, that is a real issue. it is notjust trust, it is also strength, whether people feel borisjohnson can get things done, if they feel he can deliver in their local area. if they feel he can deliver in their localarea. even if they feel he can deliver in their local area. even if partygate receives from the news, we will see the impact continue in terms of how people vote borisjohnson. what people vote boris johnson. what dates did you — people vote boris johnson. what dates did you do _ people vote boris johnson. what dates did you do the _ people vote borisjohnson. what dates did you do the online polling for wakefield? dates did you do the online polling forwakefield? lip dates did you do the online polling for wakefield?— dates did you do the online polling for wakefield? up to the 22nd may, the fieldwork _ for wakefield? up to the 22nd may, the fieldwork ended _ for wakefield? up to the 22nd may, the fieldwork ended on _ for wakefield? up to the 22nd may, the fieldwork ended on the - for wakefield? up to the 22nd may, the fieldwork ended on the daily - for wakefield? up to the 22nd may, | the fieldwork ended on the daily sue gray report came out. it the fieldwork ended on the daily sue gray report came out.— gray report came out. it would be aood to gray report came out. it would be good to go _ gray report came out. it would be good to go back _ gray report came out. it would be good to go back and _ gray report came out. it would be good to go back and ask- gray report came out. it would be good to go back and ask now - gray report came out. it would be good to go back and ask now that| gray report came out. it would be - good to go back and ask now that the chancellor has announced this extra help for millions of households across the country. which absolutely will help them pay their energy
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bills, it will make things a tiny bit easier. still things are going to be expensive because of the rates of inflation, but it will be interesting to see if the announcement is making an impact. and all the evidence we have seen in the national polls, i don't think there is no sign of that happening. why do you think that is? since the oll came why do you think that is? since the poll came out. _ why do you think that is? since the poll came out, we _ why do you think that is? since the poll came out, we have _ why do you think that is? since the poll came out, we have seen - why do you think that is? since the poll came out, we have seen a - poll came out, we have seen a worsening of the position nationally. we haven't seen the cost of living crisis making an impact. you mean the announcement? since the announcement — you mean the announcement? since the announcement came _ you mean the announcement? since the announcement came out, _ you mean the announcement? since the announcement came out, we've - you mean the announcement? since the announcement came out, we've not - announcement came out, we've not seen the polls change, since the sue gray report, when we finished doing the wakefield poll, we will see the position worse on overall. t do position worse on overall. i do think the _ position worse on overall. i do think the government - position worse on overall. i do think the government is not getting credit in the polls for that emergency budget? tiara credit in the polls for that emergency budget? credit in the polls for that emeruen buduet? ., ., , emergency budget? two words, boris johnson. emergency budget? two words, boris johnson- they — emergency budget? two words, boris johnson. they did _ emergency budget? two words, boris johnson. they did not _ emergency budget? two words, boris johnson. they did not trust _ emergency budget? two words, boris johnson. they did not trust the - johnson. they did not trust the person, the messenger behind the policies. it's interesting, because you saw this happen withjeremy corbyn in 2019. people like the individual policies, they were popular, but they didn't trust them when they were attached to jeremy corbyn. i think we are seeing boris
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johnson becoming conservative corbyn. they like the policies, the cost of living announcement, even the return to imperial weights and measures, they are popular, but they don't trust the person delivering it. voters don't say seven out of ten for that policy, six for that one, theyjudge the package and they have fundamentally lost trust in the leader. , . have fundamentally lost trust in the leader. , , . ~ have fundamentally lost trust in the leader. , , . ,, , ., leader. very interesting, thank you for bein: leader. very interesting, thank you for being patient. _ leader. very interesting, thank you for being patient. we _ leader. very interesting, thank you for being patient. we are _ leader. very interesting, thank you for being patient. we are going - leader. very interesting, thank you for being patient. we are going to. for being patient. we are going to talk to sir roger gale, conservative mp, in a moment. iam not sure talk to sir roger gale, conservative mp, in a moment. i am not sure who mp, in a moment. iam not sure who i'm going to to mp, in a moment. i am not sure who i'm going to to now. you have to say the name again? i think we are going to talk to a gentleman called lord marland. can you hear me? you are on bbc world as well as bbc news, i wonder if he could tell our audience around the world a bit about yourself so we know where you are coming from?— yourself so we know where you are coming from? well, i was a minister in the cameron _ coming from? well, i was a minister in the cameron coalition, _ coming from? well, i was a minister in the cameron coalition, i _ coming from? well, i was a minister in the cameron coalition, i am -
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coming from? well, i was a minister in the cameron coalition, i am now. in the cameron coalition, i am now chairman of the commonwealth enterprise and investment counsel. so i very heavily involved in the commonwealth, and i was involved with running boris's first campaign to be mayor, so i have a cross—section of interests. to be mayor, so i have a cross-section of interests. you don't get _ cross-section of interests. you don't get to — cross-section of interests. you don't get to vote _ cross—section of interests. you don't get to vote tonight, am i right? don't get to vote tonight, am i riuht? ., . ., . don't get to vote tonight, am i rit ht? ., ., ., ., . ~ right? no, i am not an elected mp, thank goodness! _ right? no, i am not an elected mp, thank goodness! what _ right? no, i am not an elected mp, thank goodness! what you - right? no, i am not an elected mp, thank goodness! what you think . right? no, i am not an elected mp, i thank goodness! what you think about the fact that this — thank goodness! what you think about the fact that this is _ thank goodness! what you think about the fact that this is happening - thank goodness! what you think about the fact that this is happening at i the fact that this is happening at all? t the fact that this is happening at all? . . , the fact that this is happening at all? ., , , , , ., all? i raise my eyes to the heavens in desair all? i raise my eyes to the heavens in despair at _ all? i raise my eyes to the heavens in despair at the _ all? i raise my eyes to the heavens in despair at the behaviour - in despair at the behaviour of our mps. i can't think of a worse time to have a leadership election, and have various mps posturing for position to be leader of our party. we have a huge national crisis going on, it needs to be dealt with. we have just enjoyed a magnificent tribute to her majesty the queen, we are not even allowed to sit back and our armchairs are not even allowed to sit back and ourarmchairs and are not even allowed to sit back and our armchairs and think about it,
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because all of the news is about borisjohnson and the conservative leadership. taste boris johnson and the conservative leadershi-. . , boris johnson and the conservative leadershi. ~ , ., boris johnson and the conservative leadershi. ~ ., ., boris johnson and the conservative leadershi. ~ , ., ., ~ boris johnson and the conservative leadershi-. . , ., ., ~ . leadership. we spoke to one mp a little earlier— leadership. we spoke to one mp a little earlier he _ leadership. we spoke to one mp a little earlier he will— leadership. we spoke to one mp a little earlier he will not _ leadership. we spoke to one mp a little earlier he will not be - leadership. we spoke to one mp a little earlier he will not be voting l little earlier he will not be voting for borisjohnson on the ballot tonight, and there are a number of reasons, he told us. one, this is a government putting up taxes and he can't stand that, he says it is not conservative. two, to quote another former minister's words, mrjohnson was casual about lawbreaking in number 10. was casual about lawbreaking in number 10-— was casual about lawbreaking in number10. , ., , number 10. yes, obviously of these have been rehearsed, _ number 10. yes, obviously of these have been rehearsed, these - have been rehearsed, these conversations have been rehearsed for the last few months. we have all been subjected to it. of course, numbers like taxes going up, we have been through a massive economic crisis with covid, it is inevitable that taxes have to go to pay for it. it has not been working for a period of time. but it has not been working for a period of time. �* , ,, ., . ., �* of time. but they know that, don't
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the ? of time. but they know that, don't they? through _ of time. but they know that, don't they? through the _ of time. but they know that, don't they? through the furlough - of time. but they know that, don't i they? through the furlough scheme, they? through the furlough scheme, the have they? through the furlough scheme, they have been _ they? through the furlough scheme, they have been able _ they? through the furlough scheme, they have been able to _ they? through the furlough scheme, they have been able to keep - they? through the furlough scheme, they have been able to keep peoplel they have been able to keep people in work, but at some point you have to pay for it. in work, but at some point you have to pay for it— to pay for it. and what about the behaviour of _ to pay for it. and what about the behaviour of the _ to pay for it. and what about the behaviour of the prime - to pay for it. and what about the behaviour of the prime ministerl behaviour of the prime minister during covid lockdown, pretty harsh lockdown that the majority of people across the country were following, but it appears borisjohnson, well, we know that boris johnson but it appears borisjohnson, well, we know that borisjohnson wasn't? 0f we know that borisjohnson wasn't? of course, it is unforgivable. he is paying the price for it. he wasn't, of course, alone, but he has borne the brunt of partygate. it was conducted largely by civil servants who have not been held to account, in my view, for it, substantially. he has taken responsibility. tiaras in my view, for it, substantially. he has taken responsibility. how has he taken responsibility? _ he has taken responsibility. how has he taken responsibility? he - he has taken responsibility. how has he taken responsibility? he is - he has taken responsibility. how has he taken responsibility? he is still i he taken responsibility? he is still in hisjob. tie he taken responsibility? he is still in his 'ob. . , ., ~ he taken responsibility? he is still in his 'ob. .~ , ., in his 'ob. he has taken the blame for in his job. he has taken the blame for it. in his job. he has taken the blame for it- not — in his job. he has taken the blame for it. not all — in his job. he has taken the blame for it. not all of _ in his job. he has taken the blame for it. not all of the _ in his job. he has taken the blame for it. not all of the parties - in his job. he has taken the blame for it. not all of the parties were i for it. not all of the parties were at his behest, but, quite rightly, the public are very upset by it. and
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he has exercised contrition, but it won't be enough. in the meantime, he has developed a vaccine programme, jesse norman, and his marvellous wife, kate bingham, who led us out of the vaccine programme. he has largely got brexit done, does not appeal to everybody but it appeals to those that voted brexit. and he has shown real leadership on the war on ukraine. . ~ has shown real leadership on the war on ukraine. . ,, ,~. has shown real leadership on the war on ukraine. . ,, i. ., has shown real leadership on the war on ukraine-— on ukraine. thank you for talking to us. lord marland, _ on ukraine. thank you for talking to us. lord marland, he _ on ukraine. thank you for talking to us. lord marland, he does - on ukraine. thank you for talking to us. lord marland, he does not i on ukraine. thank you for talking to us. lord marland, he does not vote | us. lord marland, he does not vote to vote tonight, he is supporting and want others to support the prime minister. let's speak to somebody who will not be supporting the prime minister, conservative mp sir roger gale, a long—time critic, it is fair to say, borisjohnson. hello. what
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has led you to this point? what is this about for you? for has led you to this point? what is this about for you?— has led you to this point? what is this about for you? for 18 months, since barnard _ this about for you? for 18 months, since barnard castle, _ this about for you? for 18 months, since barnard castle, this - this about for you? for 18 months, since barnard castle, this has i this about for you? for 18 months, | since barnard castle, this has been about the prime minister's judgment. about the fact that the judgment is flawed, the fact that he is not, therefore, a suitable amount to be prime minister of the united kingdom. it's nothing to do with party politics, it has to do with the governance of britain. that is what it's about.— what it's about. right. really, voters are _ what it's about. right. really, voters are going _ what it's about. right. really, voters are going to _ what it's about. right. really, voters are going to look- what it's about. right. really, voters are going to look at i what it's about. right. really, | voters are going to look at this what it's about. right. really, i voters are going to look at this and 9°. voters are going to look at this and go, knew what, another one? they are right in the middle of a cost of living crisis, and your party is turning in on itself, fighting amongst itself, and having, potentially, going through to a leadership contest? tt’s potentially, going through to a leadership contest? it's absolutely the case that _ leadership contest? it's absolutely the case that we _ leadership contest? it's absolutely the case that we are _ leadership contest? it's absolutely the case that we are in _ leadership contest? it's absolutely the case that we are in the - leadership contest? it's absolutely the case that we are in the middle | the case that we are in the middle of a cost of living crisis, it is also the case that we are in the middle of the most dangerous international situation that the world has faced since 1945. there are very big issues in relation to
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northern ireland, a problem very largely of the prime minister's own making, there has to be resolved. my view is that we need a leader that we can rely upon, trust, that has the gravitas and probity to the order. i don't believe that mr johnson is the right man for this job. johnson is the right man for this 'ob. ~ ., , , ., job. who is the right person for this 'ob? job. who is the right person for this job? there _ job. who is the right person for this job? there are _ job. who is the right person for this job? there are half- job. who is the right person for this job? there are half a i job. who is the right person for| this job? there are half a dozen --eole at this job? there are half a dozen people at least _ this job? there are half a dozen people at least waiting - this job? there are half a dozen people at least waiting in i people at least waiting in the wings. any one of whom could be the leader. if i name one, you would assume that i am supporting them, i am not, i have not exercise my own mind about that, i want to see who will stand on what they have to say. but i'm confident, i could give you a shopping list of half a dozen people. {30 a shopping list of half a dozen neale. ,., ., ., a shopping list of half a dozen neale. ., ., , a shopping list of half a dozen --eole. . . , , people. go ahead. give me six, then we know you — people. go ahead. give me six, then we know you can't — people. go ahead. give me six, then we know you can't support _ people. go ahead. give me six, then we know you can't support them i people. go ahead. give me six, then we know you can't support them all. | we know you can't support them all. well, liz truss, the foreign secretary, has made it very plain that she has by ministerial ambitions. nadhim zahawi is the man who actually delivered the vaccine programme, whether or not he was to
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throw his hat into the ring i don't know. he is very able. ben wallace, largely responsible for what we are doing in ukraine, another very safe pair of hands on very honourable. penny mordaunt, former defence secretary and now minister of state in trade, a very able lady, capable of doing thejob. in trade, a very able lady, capable of doing the job. 0thers in trade, a very able lady, capable of doing thejob. others may in trade, a very able lady, capable of doing the job. others may throw their hats into the ring. i don't know. what i do know is that we have got a list of people, any one of whom can do thisjob got a list of people, any one of whom can do this job extremely well. and i look forward to being able to support one of them in due course. what mcgrath the prime minister wins the vote tonight, will you shut up? it is very difficult to unsay something you have already said. i have reiterated that my confidence in this prime minister is woefully lacking. i can't unsay that, it is what i believe. i am a democrat, if
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there is a democratic vote, clearly there is a democratic vote, clearly there will not be another vote within the rules for a period of time. but i indicated some time ago that i will show this prime minister at the same degree of loyalty that he afford to his predecessor, and i stand by that. it he afford to his predecessor, and i stand by that-— he afford to his predecessor, and i stand by that. it wasn't very much. sir roger. — stand by that. it wasn't very much. sir roger. have — stand by that. it wasn't very much. sir roger, have you _ stand by that. it wasn't very much. sir roger, have you had _ stand by that. it wasn't very much. sir roger, have you had a - stand by that. it wasn't very much. sir roger, have you had a call i stand by that. it wasn't very much. | sir roger, have you had a call from number 10, sir roger, have you had a call from number10, has sir roger, have you had a call from number 10, has there been any arm—twisting, they can't offer you a knighthood, what about a trade envoy job? any contact?— job? any contact? nothing whatsoever, _ job? any contact? nothing whatsoever, i— job? any contact? nothing whatsoever, i would i job? any contact? nothing whatsoever, i would not i job? any contact? nothing i whatsoever, i would not expect job? any contact? nothing - whatsoever, i would not expect it. i'm not for sale. whatsoever, i would not expect it. i'm not forsale. i whatsoever, i would not expect it. i'm not for sale. i am acting on my own, i'm canvassing support from colleagues, i would not expect the pretend to be contact, and the whips have treated me with total courtesy, as always. what do you feel disloyal? no.— as always. what do you feel- disloyal? no._ because i am disloyal? no. why not? because i am lo alto disloyal? no. why not? because i am loyal to my — disloyal? no. why not? because i am loyal to my country. _ disloyal? no. why not? because i am loyal to my country. my _ disloyal? no. why not? because i am loyal to my country. my country i loyal to my country. my country comes first. loyal to my country. my country comes first-—
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comes first. this is the country that gave _ comes first. this is the country that gave you _ comes first. this is the country that gave you an _ comes first. this is the country that gave you an 80 _ comes first. this is the country that gave you an 80 seat i comes first. this is the country i that gave you an 80 seat majority in 2019, with borisjohnson as your leader. 2019, with boris johnson as your leader. . . . 2019, with boris johnson as your leader. , , . , . ., leader. this is a country that voted for the conservative _ leader. this is a country that voted for the conservative party - leader. this is a country that voted for the conservative party in i leader. this is a country that voted for the conservative party in 1990, i for the conservative party in 1990, on a manifesto that we put forward, i want a conservative manifesto that i want a conservative manifesto that i want a conservative manifesto that i want delivered. i don't believe he is the right person for the job. does borisjohnson have nothing to do with your electoral win in 2019? i think i have fought 12 or 13 general elections now, and i am fortunate enough to have won all of them. what more you definitely have, but has the party, really? what about blyth, hartlepool, and... bury, places and stuff at your question there are so many, i can't remember them all. t question there are so many, i can't remember them all.— remember them all. i think it is fair to remember them all. i think it is fairto say--- — remember them all. i think it is fair to say... that _ remember them all. i think it is fair to say... that is _ remember them all. i think it is fair to say... that is a _ remember them all. i think it is i fair to say... that is a referendum on brexit- — fair to say... that is a referendum on brexit. who _ fair to say... that is a referendum on brexit. who is _ fair to say... that is a referendum on brexit. who is the _ fair to say... that is a referendum on brexit. who is the man - fair to say... that is a referendum on brexit. who is the man who i fair to say... that is a referendum | on brexit. who is the man who said he would get _
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on brexit. who is the man who said he would get brexit _ on brexit. who is the man who said he would get brexit done? - on brexit. who is the man who said he would get brexit done? mr i on brexit. who is the man who said i he would get brexit done? mrjohnson said he had got _ he would get brexit done? mrjohnson said he had got brexit _ he would get brexit done? mrjohnson said he had got brexit done. _ he would get brexit done? mrjohnson said he had got brexit done. well, i said he had got brexit done. well, it isn't yet done. we have a small issue, forgive me for reminding you, of the northern ireland protocol, which is potentially leading to the break—up of the united kingdom, a document that mrjohnson not only signed himself, voluntarily, but campaigned upon, and now wishes to tear up. t campaigned upon, and now wishes to tear u. . . . ., campaigned upon, and now wishes to tear u. ., ., ., ., ., tear up. i am well aware of that. that is a serious _ tear up. i am well aware of that. that is a serious issue. - tear up. i am well aware of that. that is a serious issue. thank. tear up. i am well aware of that. l that is a serious issue. thank you very much. _ that is a serious issue. thank you very much. sir— that is a serious issue. thank you very much, sir roger, _ that is a serious issue. thank you very much, sir roger, sir- that is a serious issue. thank you very much, sir roger, sir rogeri very much, sir roger, sir roger gale, who has been a long—time critic of the prime minister. i think we have got a tweet from the education secretary. i can't see the twist. i haven't looked at my phone for half an hour because i've been live on air. but i think nadhim zahawi is likely to be... yes, he is obviously supporting the prime minister. people do not vote for divided teams. the prime minister has got the big calls right, we must get behind him and deliver on our promise to level up. let's talk to the shadow health secretary, wes
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streeting, who is here for labour. good morning. thank you for talking to us. what is your reaction, that there is a vote of no—confidence in there is a vote of no—confidence in the prime minister? there is a vote of no-confidence in the prime minister?— the prime minister? well, about time. i salute _ the prime minister? well, about time. i salute the _ the prime minister? well, about time. i salute the conservative l the prime minister? well, about. time. i salute the conservative mps who have had the courage to stand up and speak out about the fact that the prime minister is clearly unfit for the office he holds. he broke the rules, he lied to the country, he is failing to deliver on the priorities of the people, particularly the cost of living crisis, which is really hurting people in their pockets. literally two weeks _ people in their pockets. literally two weeks ago _ people in their pockets. literally two weeks ago they _ people in their pockets. literally two weeks ago they announced l people in their pockets. literally| two weeks ago they announced a multi—billion pound package to help people across the country, on top of the previous 9 billion that came in the previous 9 billion that came in the spring statement. thea;r the previous 9 billion that came in the spring statement.— the previous 9 billion that came in the spring statement. they have to be dragged. _ the spring statement. they have to be dragged, kicking _ the spring statement. they have to be dragged, kicking and _ the spring statement. they have to| be dragged, kicking and screaming. they did it. be dragged, kicking and screaming. the did it. ., be dragged, kicking and screaming. the did it. . . ., , they did it. there are increasing taxes on working _ they did it. there are increasing taxes on working people, i they did it. there are increasing taxes on working people, the i they did it. there are increasing i taxes on working people, the only economy in the g7 where the government is putting up taxes on working people. for weeks and weeks the prime minister saying we can't possibly tax big oil and gas companies, world summary think of their profits? it's ridiculous, and an indication of the difference in
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priorities between the labour party, which was campaigning for the windfall tax, the conservative party would put up taxes on working people. fundamentally, idon't would put up taxes on working people. fundamentally, i don't want the principal and president to stand that a prime minister can break the laws that he made and lie about it, and get away with it. and so i hope that conservative mps will search their consciences before they go to vote this evening, put the country first. i really think it is a choice between no confidence or no backbone. 0n the voters willjudge them harshly if they show no backbone. tt them harshly if they show no backbone-— them harshly if they show no backbone. ~ . . backbone. if the prime minister wins toniuht, backbone. if the prime minister wins tonight. doesn't _ backbone. if the prime minister wins tonight, doesn't that _ backbone. if the prime minister wins tonight, doesn't that suit _ backbone. if the prime minister wins tonight, doesn't that suit labour- backbone. if the prime minister wins tonight, doesn't that suit labour as l tonight, doesn't that suit labour as you head into the general election, because the prime ministers in previous times have been damaged by leadership contests, even if they have won?— leadership contests, even if they have won? �* , , . . ., . have won? bluntly, if it is a choice between keir _ have won? bluntly, if it is a choice between keir starmer _ have won? bluntly, if it is a choice between keir starmer leading i have won? bluntly, if it is a choice between keir starmer leading the | between keir starmer leading the labour party against borisjohnson leading the conservative party, brilliant, that is a contest i would relish. but it's terrible for the country, and i genuinely mean it, keir starmer genuinely means it when
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we say that the country deserves better leadership right now. that is the other thing conservative mps need to weigh up. are they seriously tell in a country that borisjohnson is the best the conservative party has to offer? because that is a script that is being sent around, that conservative mps are tweeting, that conservative mps are tweeting, that there is no alternative leader, no alternative plan. really? what a damning indictment on the cabinet of cronies tweeting their enthusiastic support for boris johnson publicly, while privately acknowledging that he is not up to the job. what about the ministers of the lower rungs on the ministers of the lower rungs on the talent on the back benches that borisjohnson does not put into cabinet because they are not nodding dogs that go along with everything borisjohnson asks them to? i think the conservative party is in a mess right now, what they really need is a period in opposition to sort themselves out, rethink what they are for and provide better alternatives for leadership in the future. right now, ourjob is the labour party is to hold a gun into account, make sure things like the cost of living, the huge nhs backlog that was there before the pandemic, make sure we are holding them to
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account on those issues that voters have got a clear alternative of the next election, which we have in keir starmer. fin next election, which we have in keir starmer. . ,, ., . , , starmer. on the backlog, that is why the government _ starmer. on the backlog, that is why the government says _ starmer. on the backlog, that is why the government says they _ starmer. on the backlog, that is why the government says they are - starmer. on the backlog, that is why| the government says they are putting up the government says they are putting up national insurance, to pay for the backlog and the social care plan, which no government in recent decades has bothered to tackle. that is the number one thing. that is one of the things you are worried about, the nhs. 0n the cost of living, you know what they announced a couple of weeks ago, an extra £400 for everything a household, an extra £650 for the most vulnerable families, an extra few hundred pounds for pensioners, an extra few hundred pounds for people on disability benefits. you welcome that, be honest? t’tt disability benefits. you welcome that, be honest?— that, be honest? i'll take those issues in turn, _ that, be honest? i'll take those issues in turn, on _ that, be honest? i'll take those issues in turn, on the _ that, be honest? i'll take those i issues in turn, on the investment that, be honest? i'll take those - issues in turn, on the investment in the nhs, we have been campaigning for more investment for many years. but it is where it comes from, we would not be putting up taxes on working people, we think there are areas of taxing unearned income, property, shares, dividends, the huge tax loopholes, don't tell me the chancellor can't find them, because his family has made good use
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of them. there are other ways of raising money for the nhs. the second set of issues, the cost of living, we think we need an emergency budget right now. you 'ust had one, emergency budget right now. you 'ust had they — emergency budget right now. you 'ust had one, they didn't i emergency budget right now. you 'ust had one, they didn't calli emergency budget right now. you 'ust had one, they didn't call it i emergency budget right now. you 'ust had one, they didn't call it that. h had one, they didn't call it that. it wasn't really a budget. 15 billion extra for people who are struggling, that... what would you call that? it struggling, that... what would you call that? . , struggling, that... what would you call that? ., , ., ., call that? it was the windfall tax that we called _ call that? it was the windfall tax that we called for, _ call that? it was the windfall tax that we called for, we _ call that? it was the windfall tax that we called for, we did - call that? it was the windfall tax that we called for, we did well l that we called for, we did well commit, we had to drag them kicking and screaming. now we need action on national insurance rises, business rates, business rates and vat. the biggest issue the families are facing is the cost of living crisis. borisjohnson can't be part of the solution, he is part of the problem, putting taxes up. don't tell me that any of the conservative mps are focused on this issue today, the only thing you're focused on is their own leadership crisis. there is only one thing borisjohnson is focused on, his own survival, that is not the leadership the country
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deserves. . , ., .., is not the leadership the country deserves. ., , ., _, , ., deserves. can you confirm if your leader and _ deserves. can you confirm if your leader and deputy _ deserves. can you confirm if your leader and deputy leader - deserves. can you confirm if your leader and deputy leader have i leader and deputy leader have received questionnaires from durham police regarding the investigation into so—called beergate? that police regarding the investigation into so-called beergate?- police regarding the investigation into so-called beergate? that is my understanding- _ into so-called beergate? that is my understanding. i— into so-called beergate? that is my understanding. i think _ into so-called beergate? that is my understanding. i think in _ into so-called beergate? that is my understanding. i think in terms - into so-called beergate? that is my understanding. i think in terms of l understanding. i think in terms of the contrast between keir starmer and borisjohnson, keir starmer has been very clear, if he is fined, he will resign. that is exact what i would expect. what i look forward to that, because keir starmer demanded boris johnson's that, because keir starmer demanded borisjohnson�*s resignation when he was first investigated by the police, and yet sir keir starmer has not resigned when the police investigation started in to him. to be fair... fits investigation started in to him. to be fair... �* , ., ., investigation started in to him. to befair... a ., ., be fair... as he had a hypocrite? keir starmer _ be fair... as he had a hypocrite? keir starmer called _ be fair... as he had a hypocrite? keir starmer called for _ be fair... as he had a hypocrite? keir starmer called for boris - keir starmer called for boris johnson's resignation when it became clear that boris johnson johnson's resignation when it became clear that borisjohnson had lied to parliament, that is a resignation offence. when the police started their investigation, we were calling for his resignation still. it wasn't that the police opened an investigation we call for somebody to go, it was yet another indication that borisjohnson had lied to the country. and we were proven right and vindicated in that. but i believe keir starmer when he says
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two things, one is that he didn't break the rules, i believe him, and secondly, if the police find him, he will resign, i believe him. that is the integrity of the prime minister we could have in keir starmer, versus the prime minister we are lumbered with in borisjohnson. thank you very much, wes streeting, the shadow health secretary. we will bring you more coverage after the bullet and ten o'clock. let's bring you the weather now. quite a murky start of the day for some of us, a lot of cloud in central and eastern england. it will leave behind at a fair bit of cloud and showers. writing up on the south—west. for northern ireland, northern england, a bit of cloud, but bright skies at times. sunny conditions after the morning's cloud breaks across scotland, with highs of 19 or 20 degrees. through this evening and overnight, we will see the rain pushing across southern counties of england. more cloud and
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some spots of rain coming in across scotland and north—east england. elsewhere, clear skies. scotland and north—east england. elsewhere, clearskies. overnight elsewhere, clear skies. overnight lows elsewhere, clearskies. overnight lows between seven and ia degrees. tomorrow we start with a showery rain in the south—east, and that will eventually clear away. the cloud and spots of rain across south—east scotland and north—east england, drifting a bit further west. we will see further showers developing, but there will be sunny spells. temperatures ranging from 11 to 20 degrees.
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this is bbc news, these are the latest headlines in the uk and around the world. the british prime minister will face a vote of confidence in his leadership this evening it means at least 15% of the parliamentary party — equivalent to sit tory mps — have submitted a letter of no confidence in boris johnson's premiership. i have followed the rules that we have in place, i notified the prime minister yesterday that the threshold had been reached, and we agreed the timetable for a confidence vote to take place. close friend of the borisjohnson and former minister, jesse norman, becomes the latest mp to submit a letter, accusing the prime minister of presiding over a culture of 'casual law—breaking' at no.10.
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