tv The Papers BBC News June 9, 2022 10:30pm-10:46pm BST
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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are the talktv presenter, daisy mcandrew, and the broadcaster, david davies. we will say hello to both in just a moment. we will say hello to both injust a moment. tomorrow's front pages, starting with... the financial times reports on what is calls a "debt blunder" by chancellor rishi sunak — who reportedly squandered £11 billion of taxpayers money, by paying too much interest on the government's debt. the telegraph leads with the two british men who've been sentenced to death by russian—backed separatists, after they were captured fighting for the ukrainian army. it makes the front page of the metro too — which refers to the men as "putin's pawns", and says they'll be executed by firing squad.
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the i says the death sentence has breached the geneva convention and says russia accuses them of being mercenaries despite their membership of the ukrainian army unit. and finally, theguardian leads with a different story, highlighting the knock on effect of rising food and fuel prices which are causing low—paid workers to call in sick because they can't afford to drive to work. good evening to you both. thank you for coming on. will start with the story of ukraine just because it dominates so many of the front pages, it was our top story at ten o'clock this evening. the front page of the matter, daisy, why don't you start. they go with the headline there of putin ponds, brits facing death by firing squad. the fear that they are russia's marketing chips after sham verdicts.— they are russia's marketing chips after sham verdicts. what are they drivin: at after sham verdicts. what are they driving at there? _ after sham verdicts. what are they driving at there? that's _ after sham verdicts. what are they driving at there? that's absolutely| driving at there? that's absolutely the crux of the story which is that russia has found through the
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separatist state, which of course isn't officially russia that they have a very, very useful propaganda tool. the death sentence isn't legal in russia but in the separatist state, which it is allegedly independent but we all know it's really an offshoot of russia but not officially, they can sentence people to death. and in this case, this is what they've done with these two british members of the ukrainian army. of course, the reason that's very useful to put in is because it's going to make headlines around the world. and he is trying to do a lot of things with this but one think that there's lots of speculation about is that he's trying to do a prisoner exchange with ukraine who have a very, very close friend and political ally of president putin is under arrest at the moment. he was in opposition politician, an ally of president
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putin and he was allegedly demanded putin was putting in as his puppet president. ukrainians have him under arrest, these soldiers, one of these soldiers was put on television a few days ago begging borisjohnson to get the disease of this politician. you can see that there are wheels within wheels of the story, which is why it's becoming such a big story. of course, the headline is they've been sentenced to death. most people i've spoken to think that is very unlikely, that's not can it be any comfort to the family photo of course, they must be absolutely terrified that their family members are in the situation. but this is very political with a p. interesting. david noted in long there. the front page of the daily telegraph result same story. captured british fighters sentenced to death. they focus on the international condemnation, liz truss, the foreign secretaryjust one of the international figures
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condemning this, what appears to be a sham. , _ condemning this, what appears to be asham. , _ a sham. everything daisy said i auree a sham. everything daisy said i agree with- _ a sham. everything daisy said i agree with. but _ a sham. everything daisy said i agree with. but i _ a sham. everything daisy said i agree with. but i of— a sham. everything daisy said i agree with. but i of course - a sham. everything daisy said i j agree with. but i of course also think_ agree with. but i of course also think of— agree with. but i of course also think of it — agree with. but i of course also think of it more as, she was talking in the latter— think of it more as, she was talking in the latter part of what you said, the human— in the latter part of what you said, the human element of this, these two men who— the human element of this, these two men who originated it appears one or watford _ men who originated it appears one or watford and one from newark, not from _ watford and one from newark, not from from here in nottingham shire. my reaction — from from here in nottingham shire. my reaction to it is it's obscene, it's unlawful against the geneva convention. can i say, we are really, _ convention. can i say, we are really, really surprised by the sort of thing? — really, really surprised by the sort of thing? when we are playing, the uk is _ of thing? when we are playing, the uk is rightly in my view but, that's arguable _ uk is rightly in my view but, that's arguable and some people we are playing _ arguable and some people we are playing such a prominent role at the forefront _ playing such a prominent role at the forefront of — playing such a prominent role at the forefront of the opposition to what the russians are doing. i fear this is one _ the russians are doing. i fear this
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is one of— the russians are doing. i fear this is one of the inevitable consequences that we have to live with _ consequences that we have to live with it _ consequences that we have to live with. ., , , consequences that we have to live with. . , , ., ., with. it was interesting earlier on, dais , i'll with. it was interesting earlier on, daisy. i'll bring — with. it was interesting earlier on, daisy, i'll bring you _ with. it was interesting earlier on, daisy, i'll bring you back- with. it was interesting earlier on, daisy, i'll bring you back in - with. it was interesting earlier on, daisy, i'll bring you back in a - daisy, i'll bring you back in a moment. it was seen by some as a tit—for—tat. because there was these equivalent russian soldiers facing criminal charges and being found guilty. there is a really important distinction here, they are not the same and they shouldn't be equated because in the ukrainian situation that was for war crimes. those russian soldiers were on trial for war crimes and not in this case just for being a member of the armed forces. ., ., ., forces. the two are not the same. exactl . forces. the two are not the same. exactly- but _ forces. the two are not the same. exactly- but we — forces. the two are not the same. exactly. but we know _ forces. the two are not the same. exactly. but we know that - forces. the two are not the same. exactly. but we know that the - exactly. but we know that the russian press was outraged and the russian press was outraged and the russian people were by those war trials. they sought they are soldiers convicted of war trials. particularly the ones you'll remember of the young soldier who shot dead a 62—year—old man on a
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bicycle, a civilian. that was one of the big war crimes i got a lot of publicity. in russia that was humiliating and they were very angry about it. you're absolutely right to see this is a tit—for—tat. you do that to our boys we do this you are poised, even though it's not officially russian, but you know what i'm saying. david was absolutely right when he was implying that there's is the risk you run by being such a prominent, vocal and out there ally of ukraine. and just like david, that is what i would've done and i applaud boris johnson for doing what he is done but it does bring this risk because these british soldiers are much more valuable than say, a german soldier would be if he or she was found to be working and employed by the ukrainian army. this is the risk that we run. it's very similar to a
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hostage situation, which we found ourselves in many times with isis, let's say in the past where the government can't be seen negotiating with terrorists. it's a similar situation because this court is not a proper court in our eyes, and the governments eyes. so the government should be seen to be negotiating with it. , ., i. ., should be seen to be negotiating withit. , ., , with it. this done you ask body, the self-proclaimed _ with it. this done you ask body, the self-proclaimed state _ with it. this done you ask body, the self-proclaimed state is _ with it. this done you ask body, the self-proclaimed state is recognised| self—proclaimed state is recognised by self—proclaimed state is recognised try one _ self—proclaimed state is recognised by one of— self—proclaimed state is recognised by one of the nation in the world, that's— by one of the nation in the world, that's called russia. and the other point _ that's called russia. and the other point i _ that's called russia. and the other point i would make is i regret to say that there are a number of other british— say that there are a number of other british born — say that there are a number of other british born soldiers fighting in and for— british born soldiers fighting in and for ukraine. one of these soldiers — and for ukraine. one of these soldiers is _ and for ukraine. one of these soldiers is also a part and ices. you _ soldiers is also a part and ices. you remember there was a lot of controversy about right against isis, those british former soldiers a lot were going out there. the last
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essay on this, liz truss is in a difficult position because you'll remember, she seems to encourage these people, men and women but mainly meant to go to ukraine and five. and the government quickly wrote back on that. that was held up in russia as well as the first secretary encouraging the rich men and women to go and fight. robert juric was on the news earlier today, who is the local mp of one of these boys and he actually knows him and knows the family very well and was full of praise for them. he looked very uncomfortable when it was put to him, would you have agreed with liz truss when she encourage people to do this? irate liz truss when she encourage people to do this? ~ ., liz truss when she encourage people to do this? ~ . ,, ., to do this? we will leave ukraine and come back— to do this? we will leave ukraine and come back to _ to do this? we will leave ukraine and come back to the _ to do this? we will leave ukraine and come back to the uk. - to do this? we will leave ukraine - and come back to the uk. david, can you talk us through another story on the front page of the daily telegraph is up the headline is prime minister it will be ousted by autumn unless he changes course. this is according to lord frost, his
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former brexit minister.— this is according to lord frost, his former brexit minister. well, lord frost is becoming _ former brexit minister. well, lord frost is becoming something - former brexit minister. well, lord frost is becoming something of. former brexit minister. well, lord frost is becoming something of a l frost is becoming something of a poster— frost is becoming something of a poster boy for the conservative party you _ poster boy for the conservative party. you may remember when the bye eiection— party. you may remember when the bye election was _ party. you may remember when the bye election was going to be called in waitsfield his name was cast around as a possible candidate for the conservative party and that by election — conservative party and that by election. however, that came about it never— election. however, that came about it never happened and perhaps rather -ood it never happened and perhaps rather good for— it never happened and perhaps rather good for lord frost. here he is predicting _ good for lord frost. here he is predicting another attempt to oust boris _ predicting another attempt to oust borisjohnson. he is suggesting by probably— borisjohnson. he is suggesting by probablyjust after the conservative party conference. boris might be a little relieved to hear lord frost thinks — little relieved to hear lord frost thinks he — little relieved to hear lord frost thinks he may survive that long. that's another matter. we shall await _ that's another matter. we shall await the — that's another matter. we shall await the voters to see how that goes _ await the voters to see how that goes but — await the voters to see how that goes. but what he is calling for,
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lord _ goes. but what he is calling for, lord frost — goes. but what he is calling for, lord frost is talking about tax rises — lord frost is talking about tax rises to — lord frost is talking about tax rises to be reversed, the vat on energy— rises to be reversed, the vat on energy bills to be cut and waiver, a ten year— energy bills to be cut and waiver, a ten year conservative, real conservative plan. and i've been missing — conservative plan. and i've been missing something. the conservatives have been— missing something. the conservatives have been leading a government in this country for 12 years. they have been _ this country for 12 years. they have been on _ this country for 12 years. they have been on their own and governments in 2015 _ been on their own and governments in 2015 so— been on their own and governments in 2015 so why— been on their own and governments in 2015. so why you want another ten year plan, — 2015. so why you want another ten year plan, perhaps you should have won already. year plan, perhaps you should have won already-— year plan, perhaps you should have won alread . _ ., .,~ ., won already. daisy, what you make of that noes? won already. daisy, what you make of that goes? do — won already. daisy, what you make of that goes? do you _ won already. daisy, what you make of that goes? do you think— won already. daisy, what you make of that goes? do you think boris - that goes? do you think boris johnson's position is as delicate as lord frost lays out? i johnson's position is as delicate as lord frost lays out?— lord frost lays out? i think lord frost has rather— lord frost lays out? i think lord frost has rather understated - lord frost lays out? i think lord | frost has rather understated the situation as it is. it's an interesting article because of what it doesn't say and because of the prominence of the telegraph has given it. the telegraph who rarely has turned on borisjohnson,
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telegraph was a great flag waver for the prime minister and is turned on him now. i totally agree that lord frost has political ambitions of his own and this is part of his mean the reverse. there is a very funny line in the article, not a quote by lord frost but say lord frost continues to be privately very supportive of the prime minister. i suspect that the prime minister. i suspect that the prime minister doesn't see it that way anymore. it's true that the conservative party does not have a ten year plan and it's true the conservative party needs one. boris johnson keeps reassuring his backbenchers and front benches that he is the job backbenchers and front benches that he is thejob because he's got backbenchers and front benches that he is the job because he's got all the big decisions right, he's made all the big calls correctly. in some ways that's true, just talking about ukraine, and he's good at things that he does by the seat of his pants, borisjohnson. what he is very bad at is any sort of planning at all. there is no surprise that
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his government does not have a tenure plan. when it comes to urgently having to get a vaccination programme up and running, he's likely that, when it comes to deciding to go in bigger and faster into supporting ukraine than other nations, he's quite good at that. anything that takes a bit of thought or doing his homework, not very good at. a, or doing his homework, not very good at. ~ or doing his homework, not very good at. . , ., at. okay. we will look in terms of leadership — at. okay. we will look in terms of leadership and — at. okay. we will look in terms of leadership and the _ at. okay. we will look in terms of leadership and the game - leadership and the game and elections a news doing what, where going to look at real life and the real consequences of what we are dealing with at the moment. the front page of the guardian. david, if you could talk us through this. the headlight at the top is low—paid care workers can't afford pedro to get to work. care workers can't afford pedro to get to work-— get to work. here is the general secretary of _ get to work. here is the general secretary of a — get to work. here is the general secretary of a very _ get to work. here is the general secretary of a very large - get to work. here is the general secretary of a very large union l secretary of a very large union saying — secretary of a very large union saying pedro price rises are having a big _ saying pedro price rises are having a big impact on people, hurt members
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withjobs_ a big impact on people, hurt members withjobs that mean a big impact on people, hurt members with jobs that mean they have to travei _ with jobs that mean they have to travel. also adding, rather more worryingly, _ travel. also adding, rather more worryingly, more and more people are leaving _ worryingly, more and more people are leaving public services, there are huge _ leaving public services, there are huge vacancies across local government. so this is at the nub of are we _ government. so this is at the nub of are we going — government. so this is at the nub of are we going to have a summer and winter— are we going to have a summer and winterof— are we going to have a summer and winter of discontent as is widely forecast — winter of discontent as is widely forecast. we are already hearing about _ forecast. we are already hearing about a — forecast. we are already hearing about a transport week of misery. those _ about a transport week of misery. those of— about a transport week of misery. those of us — about a transport week of misery. those of us who spent any time in airports _ those of us who spent any time in airports in — those of us who spent any time in airports in the past month know all about— airports in the past month know all about misery in transport at the moment — about misery in transport at the moment. this is peoples lives. and the problem that borisjohnson has is when _ the problem that borisjohnson has is when people like lord frost caiied — is when people like lord frost called for a tax rises and all the rest of— called for a tax rises and all the rest of it. — called for a tax rises and all the rest of it, they've got to say where this money is going to come from. there _ this money is going to come from. there seems to be a remarkable tackm _ there seems to be a remarkable tackm it— there seems to be a remarkable lack... it was only a few days ago we had a —
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lack... it was only a few days ago we had a windfall tax. that was going _ we had a windfall tax. that was going to — we had a windfall tax. that was going to be the panacea for everything. doesn't appear to be a panacea _ everything. doesn't appear to be a panacea for anything sufficiently and in _ panacea for anything sufficiently and in this particularly huge crisis that we _ and in this particularly huge crisis that we are — and in this particularly huge crisis that we are going through that's already— that we are going through that's already under way but probably isn't as bad _ already under way but probably isn't as bad as _ already under way but probably isn't as bad as it's going to get.— as bad as it's going to get. daisy, is that your _ as bad as it's going to get. daisy, is that your assessment - as bad as it's going to get. daisy, is that your assessment because | as bad as it's going to get. daisy, | is that your assessment because it looks like prices are going to continue to rise so we will get more headlines like this, more people struggling like the cost of petrol going out. we struggling like the cost of petrol auoin out. ~ ., struggling like the cost of petrol auoin out. ~ . ., struggling like the cost of petrol hoin cut, . ., ., , going out. we are at the foothills of a mountain _ going out. we are at the foothills of a mountain of— going out. we are at the foothills of a mountain of chaos. - going out. we are at the foothills i of a mountain of chaos. personally, i think we are heading into a recession and even if it's not an official recession with two quarters official recession with two quarters of minus growth, it will feel like a recession, it will feel worse than a recession, it will feel worse than a recession for an awful lot of people. i think we are going to see months of strikes because low—paid workers in the public sector don't see any other option. and there is going to be a lot of problems with
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that because the economists and the treasury and the government knows that they are going to have to protect against any sort of wage spike which can spiral. an increase in put inflation up even higher, were an incredibly difficult situation. i suspect it will be energy cottage. there will be blackouts and factory closures, it really will feel like a winter of discontent. the only people that have been saying it for the last few months and sort of sounded like chicken little saying the in a fall down and nobody could really see it. i think were beginning to see the reality of what is coming our way now. borisjohnson was saying today is all the fault of ukraine and we couldn't see it coming and we can't give into wage demands because it will increase inflation, he's actually right on that. it's going to make him incredibly unpopular. indeed. we will leave politics there on that slightly depressing note.
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