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and bodies were still being discovered a report from the french government has blamed a chain of failures in the champions league final between liverpool and rialto madrid and paris. at ten 0'clock, a full round up of the days news, first it's newscast. welcome. a rain showerjust as you stepped out on the way to the office. ~ . . . stepped out on the way to the office. ~ . ., ., _, , office. warm rain and competitive northern island _ office. warm rain and competitive northern island where _ office. warm rain and competitive northern island where it's - office. warm rain and competitive l northern island where it's freezing. actually i have seen a few of your call logs standing outside getting blown around. something brought on by the weather. looks like notjust

a political danger zone. it’s by the weather. looks like not 'ust a political danger zonefi by the weather. looks like not 'ust a political danger zonefl a political danger zone. it's a big white house _ a political danger zone. it's a big white house upon _ a political danger zone. it's a big white house upon a _ a political danger zone. it's a big white house upon a hill. - a political danger zone. it's a big white house upon a hill. if- a political danger zone. it's a big white house upon a hill. if it's i white house upon a hill. if it's not windy anywhere else you go to stormont, it will be gale force. fix, stormont, it will be gale force. a bit like downing street, remember the sun_ bit like downing street, remember the sun really shines it was always freezing _ the sun really shines it was always freezing cold. the the sun really shines it was always freezing cold-— freezing cold. the only place you have to wear _ freezing cold. the only place you have to wear your _ freezing cold. the only place you have to wear your thermals - freezing cold. the only place you have to wear your thermals in i freezing cold. the only place you l have to wear your thermals in july. have to wear your thermals injuly. it was in blackpool so i'm not sure how hot it was. but politically it was very hot, suited to there? some people would call riddling a relaunch after a bit of trouble on monday with the confidence vote, others were calling it a classic day in the life of the prime minister. chris mason was there. as we were recording this, he is on a train somewhere in lancashire, where they don't have 5g or satellite dishes on the top of trains. but he has recorded us a little message with his thoughts about what was going down in blackpool today. hello from the train trundling

through rural lancashire from blackpool to preston. we've been in blackpool on the lancashire coast because the prime minister turned up at blackpool in what quite a few of us had seen as a kind of relaunch after all the stuff the other night and 148 of his own mps voting against him in that confidence vote. that kind of language was never actually used by number 10 officials and it didn't really feel like much of a relaunch speech today. it was a kind of canter around all sorts of stuff. there was this sort of longer term idea, structural change, if you like, within the economy, around housing in england and this idea of people in housing association properties, it being easier for them to buy where they live, and also making it easier for people who are on benefits to use their benefits to contribute towards a mortgage as opposed to contributing towards rent. quite a lot of criticism from some that this kind of stuff has been tried before, including by david cameron's government, and not a lot came of it.

the other stuff he talked about, which we're hearing a lot now from conservative ministers, is this desire to cut taxes, this conservative instinct to have a smaller state and to do lower the amount of tax that we are all paying every month. of course, the reality is that we are paying more tax now than any generation for several generations back. and that's the tussle that the prime minister wrestles with. these kind of economic and political gales that he is confronted by, both of which are pretty gusty. right, i think we have got to change trains... preston is your next stop... yeah, time to get off. thank you, chris, and all the passengers on the train who had to listen to that, whether they wanted to or not. jo, i had a real sense of deja vu this morning because when you open the papers or looked at them on your tablet for the previews of the speech, they were talking about the big policy will be letting tenants of social housing buy their properties, an echo of right—to—buy. to me, that was an echo of the launch of the tory manifesto on the 2015 general election, when david cameron promised exactly the same thing.

you can go back to 2011, you can go back to 2015, you can go back to 2017, 2019, and here we are in 2022. as somebody said on politics live today, jo, it's a rehash of a rehash of a rehash of a rehash. and as another tory mp said to be, why don't we just get on and do it? we've been promising it all this time. it is quite a radical policy, if it actually happened. there was other stuff as well, though, it wasn'tjust the rehash of the rehash of the rehash. psychologically, one aspect of this, that you could use your housing benefit to pay for your mortgage, that's massive for people. it is. such a feel—good factor to that policy, if you are in that situation. and you can see why it would be designed in that way because why should the state be giving money to people to give to private landlords when they could be giving money to people to give to the banks that becomes equity in their own property? it's all very well being able to afford a mortgage, there are so many people out there who can afford a mortgage, it is having the deposit that

gets your foot on the ladder. bank of mum and dad of course is always the big driver in equality. i wanted to ask about life in your patch and connecting it to our patch. do people in northern ireland talk about partygate or not? they have had some quite heavy politics in northern ireland other than partygate. yes, of course, you get the same kind of views in northern ireland that you do over here. there are some people who are outraged and say, and other people are fed up with it at the same time. of course people are on the radio phone—ins, on stephen nolan and things like that, talking about that, but you have to remember, in northern ireland we have completely different parties over there for the most part so there is always... political parties, to be clear! i thought you meant other kinds of parties! not the wine and cheese parties! we have those. we have different political parties so there is always that level of detachment about the drama going on in westminster. we have our own dramas in northern ireland between the political parties there and you have to remember,

we had our own big covid rule breaking by political leaders moment when there was a big ira funeral, the bobby storey funeral during one of the lockdowns in which hundreds of people turned out, some of the highest leaders in sinn fein were attending, and that was the same sort of situation where you had people making the rules and then seemed to be breaking them and that caused real furore there. so when you look over at what happened in downing street and what is going on in westminster, you get a bit of eye rolling in northern ireland but there is not a lot of votes in it over there. the battles are different when you are in northern ireland. interesting, people think it is such a westminster thing. something that we talk about and obsess about and something perhaps the parties obsess about. in northern ireland, if boris johnson survives, there are things great to have you in newscast would be try to get you on for ages. finally you are free on a thursday night and we were free on thursday

night. it's a night whenjoe coburn was here she was watching pm cues very carefully on wednesday as politics live. i very carefully on wednesday as politics live-— politics live. i did have a question- _ politics live. i did have a question. there - politics live. i did have a question. there was - politics live. i did have a l question. there was some politics live. i did have a _ question. there was some discussion and debate about why keir starmer didn't go as one of mp said to me, thejugular when he came didn't go as one of mp said to me, the jugular when he came to didn't go as one of mp said to me, thejugular when he came to boris johnson's discomfort following that confidence vote on monday. what do you think? i confidence vote on monday. what do ou think? ~ , confidence vote on monday. what do ou think? ~' , ., ., , you think? i think heres a really important _ you think? i think heres a really important issues. _ you think? i think heres a really important issues. obviously, i you think? 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and therefore i think it was right back here went on that, to - back here went on that, to be honest — back here went on that, to be honest. ~ ., , ., , honest. would you insert it differently? _ honest. would you insert it differently? you've - honest. would you insert it differently? you've got i honest. would you insert it differently? you've got a i honest. would you insert it i differently? you've got a different style to keir starmer, would you have done a different order that a different road in terms of questioning with keir starmer? obviously, i am different to keir starmer — obviously, i am different to keir starmer we _ obviously, i am different to keir starmer. we do— obviously, i am different to keir starmer. we do have _ obviously, i am different to keir starmer. we do have different. starmer. we do have different styles — starmer. we do have different styles the _ starmer. we do have different styles. the way— starmer. we do have different styles. the way in _ starmer. we do have different styles. the way in which - 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difference that we bring to the i table as the leaders and deputy leaders — table as the leaders and deputy leaders with _ table as the leaders and deputy leaders with them _ table as the leaders and deputy leaders with them in terms i table as the leaders and deputy leaders with them in terms of. table as the leaders and deputy i leaders with them in terms of his question i— leaders with them in terms of his question i do— leaders with them in terms of his question i do think _ leaders with them in terms of his question i do think one _ leaders with them in terms of his question i do think one of- leaders with them in terms of his question i do think one of the i question i do think one of the things— question i do think one of the things that _ question i do think one of the things that people _ question i do think one of the things that people say- question i do think one of the i things that people say obviously is they are _ things that people say obviously is they are angry— things that people say obviously is they are angry with _ things that people say obviously is they are angry with boris - things that people say obviously is they are angry with boris johnson, they are angry with boris johnson, they are _ they are angry with boris johnson, they are angry— they are angry with boris johnson, they are angry at— they are angry with boris johnson, they are angry at what _ they are angry with boris johnson, they are angry at what happened i they are angry with boris johnson, i they are angry at what happened but there are _ they are angry at what happened but there are frustrated _ they are angry at what happened but there are frustrated at _ they are angry at what happened but there are frustrated at sub _ they are angry at what happened but there are frustrated at sub other- there are frustrated at sub other issues _ there are frustrated at sub other issues people _ there are frustrated at sub other issues people are _ there are frustrated at sub other issues people are facing - there are frustrated at sub other issues people are facing every i issues people are facing every single — issues people are facing every single day— issues people are facing every single day are _ issues people are facing every single day are being _ issues people are facing every single day are being crowdedl issues people are facing every i single day are being crowded out to be because — single day are being crowded out to be because of— single day are being crowded out to be because of boris— single day are being crowded out to be because of borisjohnson- single day are being crowded out to be because of boris johnson won't i single day are being crowded out to. be because of borisjohnson won't do the right— be because of borisjohnson won't do the right thing — be because of borisjohnson won't do the right thing and _ be because of borisjohnson won't do

the right thing and resign. _ be because of borisjohnson won't do the right thing and resign. so- be because of boris johnson won't do the right thing and resign.— the right thing and resign. so the confidence vote _ the right thing and resign. so the confidence vote didn't _ the right thing and resign. so the confidence vote didn't work i the right thing and resign. so the confidence vote didn't work with l confidence vote didn't work with what you really want is to resign. part of our tactics is to highlight notjust— part of our tactics is to highlight not just lying _ part of our tactics is to highlight not just lying to _ part of our tactics is to highlight notjust lying to parliament, i not just lying to parliament, obviously _ not just lying to parliament, obviously with _ not just lying to parliament, obviously with that - not just lying to parliament, obviously with that the i obviously with that the parliamentary - obviously with that the i parliamentary standards obviously with that the - parliamentary standards that we obviously with that the _ parliamentary standards that we will be looking _ parliamentary standards that we will be looking at — parliamentary standards that we will be looking at whether _ parliamentary standards that we will be looking at whether he _ parliamentary standards that we will be looking at whether he has - be looking at whether he has intensity— be looking at whether he has intensity lied _ be looking at whether he has intensity lied or— be looking at whether he has intensity lied or not, - be looking at whether he has intensity lied or not, which. be looking at whether he hasl intensity lied or not, which we be looking at whether he has i intensity lied or not, which we all think— intensity lied or not, which we all think categorically— intensity lied or not, which we all think categorically he _ intensity lied or not, which we all think categorically he has. - intensity lied or not, which we all think categorically he has. will. think categorically he has. will wait for— think categorically he has. will wait for that. _ think categorically he has. will wait for that. it's _ think categorically he has. will wait for that. it's also - think categorically he has. will wait for that. it's also about i wait for that. it's also about highlighting _ wait for that. it's also about highlighting the _ wait for that. it's also about highlighting the fact - wait for that. it's also about highlighting the fact that i wait for that. it's also about highlighting the fact that he spent months _ highlighting the fact that he spent months trying _ highlighting the fact that he spent months trying to _ highlighting the fact that he spent months trying to save _ highlighting the fact that he spent months trying to save his - highlighting the fact that he spent months trying to save his own i highlighting the fact that he spentl months trying to save his own neck and been _ months trying to save his own neck and been distracted _ months trying to save his own neck and been distracted that _ months trying to save his own neck and been distracted that all - months trying to save his own neck and been distracted that all these i and been distracted that all these issues, _ and been distracted that all these issues, the — and been distracted that all these issues, the situation _ and been distracted that all these issues, the situation in _ and been distracted that all these issues, the situation in the - and been distracted that all these issues, the situation in the nhs, i issues, the situation in the nhs, the cost — issues, the situation in the nhs, the cost of— issues, the situation in the nhs, the cost of living _ issues, the situation in the nhs, the cost of living crisis _ issues, the situation in the nhs, the cost of living crisis is- issues, the situation in the nhs, the cost of living crisis is not- the cost of living crisis is not being — the cost of living crisis is not being dealt— the cost of living crisis is not being dealt with _ the cost of living crisis is not being dealt with because i the cost of living crisis is notj being dealt with because the the cost of living crisis is not- being dealt with because the curve is in part— being dealt with because the curve is in part is— being dealt with because the curve is in part is too— being dealt with because the curve is in part is too wrapped _ being dealt with because the curve is in part is too wrapped up - being dealt with because the curve is in part is too wrapped up in i is in part is too wrapped up in their— is in part is too wrapped up in theirown— is in part is too wrapped up in their own psychodrama - is in part is too wrapped up in i their own psychodrama because is in part is too wrapped up in - their own psychodrama because boris johnson _ their own psychodrama because boris johnson won't — their own psychodrama because boris johnson won't do _ their own psychodrama because boris johnson won't do the _ their own psychodrama because boris johnson won't do the right _ their own psychodrama because boris johnson won't do the right thing i their own psychodrama because boris johnson won't do the right thing and. johnson won't do the right thing and resign _ johnson won't do the right thing and resign i_ johnson won't do the right thing and resign i do — johnson won't do the right thing and resign. i do think— johnson won't do the right thing and resign. i do think he'll— johnson won't do the right thing and resign. i do think he'll go _ resign. i do think he'll go eventually, _ resign. i do think he'll go eventually, by— resign. i do think he'll go eventually, by the - resign. i do think he'll go eventually, by the way. l resign. i do think he'll go i eventually, by the way. but at resign. i do think he'll go - eventually, by the way. but at the moment, — eventually, by the way. but at the moment, it's— eventually, by the way. but at the moment, it's cost _ eventually, by the way. but at the moment, it's cost them _ eventually, by the way. but at the i moment, it's cost them significantly while _ moment, it's cost them significantly while people — moment, it's cost them significantly while people are _ moment, it's cost them significantly while people are struggling. - moment, it's cost them significantly while people are struggling. itiitlhaitl while people are struggling. what about our while people are struggling. about your relationship with keir starmer? did you discuss what he was going to do with prime minister's questions when it followed that confidence vote? iifla.

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to see us move to issues that are important — to see us move to issues that are important to _ to see us move to issues that are important to them _ to see us move to issues that are important to them as _ to see us move to issues that are important to them as well - to see us move to issues that are important to them as well like i to see us move to issues that are i important to them as well like the nhs and _ important to them as well like the nhs and the — important to them as well like the nhs and the cost _ important to them as well like the nhs and the cost of— important to them as well like the nhs and the cost of living. - important to them as well like the nhs and the cost of living. they. important to them as well like the i nhs and the cost of living. they are fed up— nhs and the cost of living. they are fed up with — nhs and the cost of living. they are fed up with the _ nhs and the cost of living. they are fed up with the psychodrama. - nhs and the cost of living. they are fed up with the psychodrama. we . nhs and the cost of living. they are | fed up with the psychodrama. we all are. borisjohnson _ fed up with the psychodrama. we all are. boris johnson showed _ fed up with the psychodrama. we all are. borisjohnson showed left - fed up with the psychodrama. we all are. borisjohnson showed left by. are. borisjohnson showed left by now _ are. borisjohnson showed left by now but — are. borisjohnson showed left by now but the _ are. borisjohnson showed left by now. but the pole _ are. borisjohnson showed left by now. but the pole with _ are. borisjohnson showed left by now. but the pole with that, - are. borisjohnson showed left by now. but the pole with that, his i are. borisjohnson showed left by. now. but the pole with that, his own issues _ now. but the pole with that, his own issues are _ now. but the pole with that, his own issues are not— now. but the pole with that, his own issues are not being _ now. but the pole with that, his own issues are not being talked - now. but the pole with that, his own issues are not being talked about. issues are not being talked about because — issues are not being talked about because boris— issues are not being talked about because borisjohnson— issues are not being talked about because boris johnson want - issues are not being talked about because boris johnson want to i issues are not being talked aboutl because boris johnson want to the film because boris johnson want to the right thing — because boris johnson want to the right thing its— because boris johnson want to the right thing. it's not _ because boris johnson want to the right thing. it's not good - because boris johnson want to the right thing. it's not good to- because boris johnson want to the right thing. it's not good to go- right thing. it's not good to go away, — right thing. it's not good to go away. by— right thing. it's not good to go away. by the _ right thing. it's not good to go away. by the way _ right thing. it's not good to go away, by the way. this - right thing. it's not good to go- away, by the way. this frustration that the _ away, by the way. this frustration that the public— away, by the way. this frustration that the public will— away, by the way. this frustration that the public will fail— away, by the way. this frustration that the public will fail and - away, by the way. this frustration that the public will fail and the - that the public will fail and the anger— that the public will fail and the anger and _ that the public will fail and the anger and i_ that the public will fail and the anger and i think— that the public will fail and the anger and i think they're - that the public will fail and the i anger and i think they're getting more _ anger and i think they're getting more angry— anger and i think they're getting more angry because _ anger and i think they're getting more angry because they- anger and i think they're getting more angry because they are . anger and i think they're getting - more angry because they are seeing the contrast— more angry because they are seeing the contrast between— more angry because they are seeing the contrast between the _ more angry because they are seeing the contrast between the amount i more angry because they are seeing the contrast between the amount ofi the contrast between the amount of effort _ the contrast between the amount of effort the _ the contrast between the amount of effort the conservatives _ the contrast between the amount of effort the conservatives are - the contrast between the amount of effort the conservatives are puttingl effort the conservatives are putting into save _ effort the conservatives are putting into save boris _ effort the conservatives are putting into save boris johnson _ effort the conservatives are putting into save borisjohnson is - effort the conservatives are putting into save borisjohnson is not - effort the conservatives are putting into save borisjohnson is not the l into save borisjohnson is not the same _ into save borisjohnson is not the same amount— into save borisjohnson is not the same amount of effort _ into save borisjohnson is not the same amount of effort they - into save borisjohnson is not the same amount of effort they are l same amount of effort they are putting — same amount of effort they are putting into _ same amount of effort they are putting into dealing _ same amount of effort they are putting into dealing with - same amount of effort they are putting into dealing with the i same amount of effort they are - putting into dealing with the issues that peopte — putting into dealing with the issues that peopte are _ putting into dealing with the issues that people are facing _ putting into dealing with the issues that people are facing with - putting into dealing with the issues that people are facing with the - putting into dealing with the issuesi that people are facing with the cost of living _ that people are facing with the cost of living and — that people are facing with the cost of living and with _ that people are facing with the cost of living and with our _ that people are facing with the cost of living and with our nhs and - of living and with our nhs and a transport — of living and with our nhs and a

transport fiasco. _ of living and with our nhs and a transport fiasco.— of living and with our nhs and a transport fiasco. hang on they 'ust sent 22 transport fiasco. hang on they 'ust spent 22 billion. i transport fiasco. hang on they 'ust spent 22 billion. £37 i transport fiasco. hang on they 'ust spent 22 billion. £37 billion h transport fiasco. hang on they 'ust spent 22 billion. £37 billion of h transport fiasco. hang on theyjust spent 22 billion. £37 billion of the | spent 22 billion. £37 billion of the cost of living, that's a lot more than they spent saving boris johnson. j than they spent saving boris johnson. . _,, ., johnson. i mean, the cost of saving boris johnson _ johnson. i mean, the cost of saving boris johnson has _ johnson. i mean, the cost of saving boris johnson has been _ johnson. i mean, the cost of saving boris johnson has been months - johnson. i mean, the cost of saving boris johnson has been months of i borisjohnson has been months of investigations— borisjohnson has been months of investigations and _ borisjohnson has been months of investigations and of— borisjohnson has been months of investigations and of not - borisjohnson has been months of investigations and of not dealing i investigations and of not dealing with these — investigations and of not dealing with these issues. _ investigations and of not dealing with these issues. i— investigations and of not dealing with these issues. i don't - investigations and of not dealing with these issues. i don't accept| with these issues. i don't accept that _ with these issues. i don't accept that the — with these issues. idon't accept that the only— with these issues. idon't accept that. the only reason— with these issues. i don't accept that. the only reason that - with these issues. i don't accept that. the only reason that the l that. the only reason that the conservatives _ that. the only reason that the conservatives have _ that. the only reason that the conservatives have been - that. the only reason that the - conservatives have been bothered to try and _ conservatives have been bothered to try and do— conservatives have been bothered to try and do something _ conservatives have been bothered to try and do something about - conservatives have been bothered to try and do something about the - try and do something about the energy— try and do something about the energy crisis _ try and do something about the energy crisis now _ try and do something about the energy crisis now is _ try and do something about the energy crisis now is because . try and do something about the - energy crisis now is because labour party— energy crisis now is because labour party push— energy crisis now is because labour party push them _ energy crisis now is because labour party push them to _ energy crisis now is because labour party push them to it _ energy crisis now is because labour party push them to it because - energy crisis now is because labour party push them to it because we . party push them to it because we said that — party push them to it because we said that there _ party push them to it because we said that there should've - party push them to it because we said that there should've been i party push them to it because we said that there should've been a. said that there should've been a windfall— said that there should've been a windfall tax _ said that there should've been a windfall tax and _ said that there should've been a windfall tax and we _ said that there should've been a windfall tax and we should - said that there should've been a windfall tax and we should be i windfall tax and we should be looking — windfall tax and we should be looking after— windfall tax and we should be looking after families - windfall tax and we should be | looking after families because conservatives _ looking after families because conservatives won't even - looking after families because . conservatives won't even bother looking after families because - conservatives won't even bother with 0fficer— conservatives won't even bother with 0fficer boris — conservatives won't even bother with officer borisjohnson— conservatives won't even bother with officer boris johnson said _ conservatives won't even bother with officer boris johnson said late - conservatives won't even bother with officer boris johnson said late last i officer borisjohnson said late last year inftation _ officer borisjohnson said late last year inflation is _ officer borisjohnson said late last year inflation is not _ officer borisjohnson said late last year inflation is not the _ officer borisjohnson said late last year inflation is not the problem, i year inflation is not the problem, so i year inflation is not the problem, so i could — year inflation is not the problem, so i could be _ year inflation is not the problem, so i could be a _ year inflation is not the problem, so i could be a problem. - year inflation is not the problem, so i could be a problem. yet, - year inflation is not the problem, | so i could be a problem. yet, look at inftation — so i could be a problem. yet, look at inflation now. _ so i could be a problem. yet, look at inflation now. it's _ so i could be a problem. yet, look at inflation now. it's at _ so i could be a problem. yet, look at inflation now. it's at very- at inflation now. it's at very significant levels. _ at inflation now. it's at very significant levels. i- at inflation now. it's at very significant levels. ido- at inflation now. it's at veryi significant levels. i do think at inflation now. it's at very- significant levels. i do think the evidence — significant levels. i do think the evidence is— significant levels. i do think the evidence is that _ significant levels. i do think the evidence is that they— significant levels. i do think the evidence is that they have - significant levels. i do think the evidence is that they have been asteep — evidence is that they have been asleep at — evidence is that they have been asteep at the _ evidence is that they have been asleep at the wheel, _ evidence is that they have been asleep at the wheel, to - evidence is that they have been asleep at the wheel, to fixatedl evidence is that they have been . asleep at the wheel, to fixated on the drama — asleep at the wheel, to fixated on the drama in— asleep at the wheel, to fixated on the drama in their— asleep at the wheel, to fixated on the drama in their own— asleep at the wheel, to fixated on the drama in their own party- asleep at the wheel, to fixated on the drama in their own party to i the drama in their own party to deal with the _ the drama in their own party to deal with the issues _ the drama in their own party to deal with the issues that _ the drama in their own party to deal with the issues that matter- the drama in their own party to deal with the issues that matter to - with the issues that matter to peopte — with the issues that matter to peopte and _ with the issues that matter to people and labour— with the issues that matter to people and labour have - with the issues that matter to people and labour have beenl with the issues that matter to - people and labour have been putting that forward — people and labour have been putting that forward. that's _ people and labour have been putting that forward. that's what _ people and labour have been putting that forward. that's what rachel - that forward. that's what rachel reeves — that forward. that's what rachel reeves did — that forward. that's what rachel reeves did when _ that forward. that's what rachel reeves did when she _ that forward. that's what rachel reeves did when she talked - that forward. that's what rachel i reeves did when she talked about that forward. that's what rachel - reeves did when she talked about the windfall— reeves did when she talked about the windfatt tax _ reeves did when she talked about the windfall tax and _ reeves did when she talked about the

windfall tax and that's _ reeves did when she talked about the windfall tax and that's what _ reeves did when she talked about the windfall tax and that's what kier - windfall tax and that's what kier did what— windfall tax and that's what kier did what he _ windfall tax and that's what kier did what he talked _ windfall tax and that's what kier did what he talked about - windfall tax and that's what kier did what he talked about the - windfall tax and that's what kier . did what he talked about the nhs. windfall tax and that's what kier - did what he talked about the nhs. i want did what he talked about the nhs. want to get more nosy. i'm always fascinated by what the relationship is like between politicians when they are not in front of the cameras, i thinkjoe asked you quite politely about your relationship with keir starmer. can you tell me, are you mate, do you go out for a beer together? are you mate, do you go out for a beertogether? i are you mate, do you go out for a beer together? i know you said in the past is like being two dogs a fight together in a room and then become friends. where is that relationship/ friendship, light to love—hate relationship at? ianthem relationship/ friendship, light to love-hate relationship at? when i'm with care and _ love-hate relationship at? when i'm with care and there's _ love-hate relationship at? when i'm with care and there's not _ love-hate relationship at? when i'm with care and there's not a - love-hate relationship at? when i'm with care and there's not a camera l with care and there's not a camera in his— with care and there's not a camera in his face — with care and there's not a camera in his face he — with care and there's not a camera in his face he is— with care and there's not a camera in his face he is such _ with care and there's not a camera in his face he is such a _ with care and there's not a camera in his face he is such a funny- in his face he is such a funny character, _ in his face he is such a funny character, such— in his face he is such a funny character, such a _ in his face he is such a funny character, such a nice - in his face he is such a funny. character, such a nice guy that actually— character, such a nice guy that actually sometimes _ character, such a nice guy that actually sometimes that - character, such a nice guy that actually sometimes that if- character, such a nice guy that i actually sometimes that if people saw the _ actually sometimes that if people saw the guy— actually sometimes that if people saw the guy that _ actually sometimes that if people saw the guy that i _ actually sometimes that if people saw the guy that i see, _ actually sometimes that if people saw the guy that i see, every- actually sometimes that if people . saw the guy that i see, every single day thev'd _ saw the guy that i see, every single day they'd absolutely _ saw the guy that i see, every single day they'd absolutely love - saw the guy that i see, every single day they'd absolutely love them - saw the guy that i see, every single day they'd absolutely love them asi day they'd absolutely love them as well because — day they'd absolutely love them as well because he's _ day they'd absolutely love them as well because he's got _ well because he's got massive amounts — well because he's got massive amounts of— well because he's got massive amounts of integrity. - well because he's got massive amounts of integrity. you - well because he's got massive i amounts of integrity. you know well because he's got massive - amounts of integrity. you know that he wants _ amounts of integrity. you know that he wants to — amounts of integrity. you know that he wants to do _ amounts of integrity. you know that he wants to do the _ amounts of integrity. you know that he wants to do the right _ amounts of integrity. you know that he wants to do the right thing. - he wants to do the right thing. you know— he wants to do the right thing. you know that's — he wants to do the right thing. you know that's why _ he wants to do the right thing. you know that's why he's _ he wants to do the right thing. you know that's why he's in _ he wants to do the right thing. you know that's why he's in the - he wants to do the right thing. you know that's why he's in the job - know that's why he's in the job to do it _

know that's why he's in the job to do it i_ know that's why he's in the job to do it i might— know that's why he's in the job to do it. i might not— know that's why he's in the job to do it. i might not always - know that's why he's in the job to do it. i might not always agree i know that's why he's in the job to . do it. i might not always agree with everything. — do it. i might not always agree with everything. you _ do it. i might not always agree with everything, you don't always - do it. i might not always agree with everything, you don't always do - do it. i might not always agree with everything, you don't always do in. everything, you don't always do in the labour— everything, you don't always do in the labour party— everything, you don't always do in the labour party we _ everything, you don't always do in the labour party we can _ everything, you don't always do in the labour party we can have - everything, you don't always do in the labour party we can have a . the labour party we can have a debate — the labour party we can have a debate and _ the labour party we can have a debate and we _ the labour party we can have a debate and we do _ the labour party we can have a debate and we do but - the labour party we can have a debate and we do but is - the labour party we can have a debate and we do but is very. debate and we do but is very respectful— debate and we do but is very respectful of— debate and we do but is very respectful of me _ debate and we do but is very respectful of me in - debate and we do but is very respectful of me in my- debate and we do but is very respectful of me in my role. | debate and we do but is very. respectful of me in my role. we got on really— respectful of me in my role. we got on really wett~ — respectful of me in my role. we got on really well. we _ respectful of me in my role. we got on really well-— on really well. we have different s les. on really well. we have different styles does _ on really well. we have different styles. does he _ on really well. we have different styles. does he need _ on really well. we have different styles. does he need to - on really well. we have different styles. does he need to be - on really well. we have different styles. does he need to be a - on really well. we have different styles. does he need to be a bit| styles. does he need to be a bit more charismatic? you talk about this guy that's a good laugh, does he need to being two bring a bit more into politics?— more into politics? personality matters in _ more into politics? personality matters in politics. _ more into politics? personality matters in politics. why - more into politics? personality matters in politics. why is - more into politics? personality matters in politics. why is it i more into politics? personality| matters in politics. why is it so different in private with you than he is with the entire country, and public? he is with the entire country, and ublic? �* . he is with the entire country, and ublic? �* , ., he is with the entire country, and ublic? fl ., he is with the entire country, and ublic? �*, ., . public? it's not so much the difference. _ public? it's not so much the difference. there's - public? it's not so much the difference. there's been - public? it's not so much the - difference. there's been moments of it that _ difference. there's been moments of it that i've _ difference. there's been moments of it that i've seen— difference. there's been moments of it that i've seen emma _ difference. there's been moments of it that i've seen emma for— difference. there's been moments of it that i've seen emma for example, i it that i've seen emma for example, there _ it that i've seen emma for example, there was— it that i've seen emma for example, there was prime _ it that i've seen emma for example, there was prime minister's- it that i've seen emma for example, i there was prime minister's questions where _ there was prime minister's questions where boris _ there was prime minister's questions where borisjohnson _ there was prime minister's questions where boris johnson was _ there was prime minister's questions where boris johnson was going - there was prime minister's questions where boris johnson was going afterl where boris johnson was going after keir starmer— where boris johnson was going after keir starmerabout_ where boris johnson was going after keir starmer about what— where boris johnson was going after keir starmer about what the - where boris johnson was going afterl keir starmer about what the previous leader— keir starmer about what the previous teader had _ keir starmer about what the previous teader had said — keir starmer about what the previous leader had said and _ keir starmer about what the previous leader had said and stuck— keir starmer about what the previous leader had said and stuck around - leader had said and stuck around northern— leader had said and stuck around northern island. _ leader had said and stuck around northern island. and _ leader had said and stuck around northern island. and kier- leader had said and stuck around northern island. and kierjust - northern island. and kierjust snapped _ northern island. and kierjust snapped back— northern island. and kierjust snapped back and _ northern island. and kierjust snapped back and said - northern island. and kierjust snapped back and said while i northern island. and kierjust i snapped back and said while you northern island. and kierjust - snapped back and said while you were criticising _ snapped back and said while you were criticising on— snapped back and said while you were criticising on the _ snapped back and said while you were criticising on the sideline _ snapped back and said while you were criticising on the sideline i— snapped back and said while you were criticising on the sideline i was - criticising on the sideline i was prosecuting _ criticising on the sideline i was prosecuting i_ criticising on the sideline i was prosecuting. i was _ criticising on the sideline i was prosecuting. i was like, - criticising on the sideline i was prosecuting. i was like, go- criticising on the sideline i was prosecuting. i was like, go on, care, _ prosecuting. i was like, go on, care, that's _ prosecuting. i was like, go on, care, that's my— prosecuting. i was like, go on, care, that's my style. - prosecuting. i was like, go on, care, that's my style. it's- prosecuting. i was like, go on, care, that's my style. it'sjustl prosecuting. i was like, go on, i care, that's my style. it'sjust a different—

care, that's my style. it'sjust a different style _ care, that's my style. it'sjust a different style for _ care, that's my style. it'sjust a different style for is _ care, that's my style. it'sjust a different style for is like - care, that's my style. it'sjust a different style for is like a - care, that's my style. it'sjust a| different style for is like a really decent — different style for is like a really decent guy— different style for is like a really decent guy and _ different style for is like a really decent guy and that _ different style for is like a really decent guy and that comes - different style for is like a really . decent guy and that comes across. different style for is like a really - decent guy and that comes across. i think— decent guy and that comes across. i think it _ decent guy and that comes across. i think it comes across _ decent guy and that comes across. i think it comes across on _ decent guy and that comes across. i think it comes across on the - decent guy and that comes across. ii think it comes across on the cameras as wett~ _ think it comes across on the cameras as wett~ i_ think it comes across on the cameras as wett~ i do — think it comes across on the cameras as well. i do think— think it comes across on the cameras as well. i do think some _ think it comes across on the cameras as well. i do think some of _ think it comes across on the cameras as well. i do think some of his - as well. i do think some of his conditioning, _ as well. i do think some of his conditioning, but he _ as well. i do think some of his conditioning, but he was - as well. i do think some of his conditioning, but he was a - as well. i do think some of his i conditioning, but he was a lawyer and things— conditioning, but he was a lawyer and things like _ conditioning, but he was a lawyer and things like that _ conditioning, but he was a lawyer and things like that just - conditioning, but he was a lawyer and things like thatjust makes. conditioning, but he was a lawyer. and things like thatjust makes him, sometimes — and things like thatjust makes him, sometimes he — and things like thatjust makes him, sometimes he takes _ and things like thatjust makes him, sometimes he takes the _ and things like thatjust makes him, sometimes he takes the emotion. and things like thatjust makes him, i sometimes he takes the emotion out of it and _ sometimes he takes the emotion out of it and he _ sometimes he takes the emotion out of it and he puts _ sometimes he takes the emotion out of it and he puts the _ sometimes he takes the emotion out of it and he puts the sort _ of it and he puts the sort of strategic— of it and he puts the sort of strategic stuff _ of it and he puts the sort of strategic stuff in. _ of it and he puts the sort of strategic stuff in. i- of it and he puts the sort of strategic stuff in. i think . of it and he puts the sort of i strategic stuff in. i think puts of it and he puts the sort of. strategic stuff in. i think puts a more _ strategic stuff in. i think puts a more widely— strategic stuff in. i think puts a more widely into _ strategic stuff in. i think puts a more widely into it, _ strategic stuff in. i think puts a more widely into it, he - strategic stuff in. i think puts a more widely into it, he doesn'ti strategic stuff in. i think puts a - more widely into it, he doesn't care and it_ more widely into it, he doesn't care and it less — more widely into it, he doesn't care and it less than _ more widely into it, he doesn't care and it less than i _ more widely into it, he doesn't care and it less than i do _ more widely into it, he doesn't care and it less than i do about- more widely into it, he doesn't care and it less than i do about those - and it less than i do about those issues _ and it less than i do about those issues he — and it less than i do about those issues he just— and it less than i do about those issues he just has— and it less than i do about those issues he just has a _ and it less than i do about those issues he just has a different - and it less than i do about those l issues he just has a different style of putting — issues he just has a different style of putting it — issues he just has a different style of putting it over. _ issues he just has a different style of putting it over. that's what - issues he just has a different style of putting it over. that's what i. of putting it over. that's what i mean. — of putting it over. that's what i mean. come _ of putting it over. that's what i mean. come up— of putting it over. that's what i mean, come up for— of putting it over. that's what i mean, come up for me. - of putting it over. that's what i mean, come up for me. i'll- of putting it over. that's what i mean, come up for me. i'll go| mean, come up for me. i'll go in with— mean, come up for me. i'll go in with two— mean, come up for me. i'll go in with two boots, _ mean, come up for me. i'll go in with two boots, you _ mean, come up for me. i'll go in with two boots, you don't - mean, come up for me. i'll go ml with two boots, you don't mean? starmer— with two boots, you don't mean? starmer is — with two boots, you don't mean? starmer is more _ with two boots, you don't mean? starmer is more like _ with two boots, you don't mean? starmer is more like i— with two boots, you don't mean? starmer is more like i will- with two boots, you don't mean? starmer is more like i will go - with two boots, you don't mean? starmer is more like i will go in l starmer is more like i will go in with a _ starmer is more like i will go in with a strategic— starmer is more like i will go in with a strategic case _ starmer is more like i will go in with a strategic case at the - starmer is more like i will go in l with a strategic case at the detail. and with a strategic case at the detail. ami he _ with a strategic case at the detail. and he cross—examined _ with a strategic case at the detail. and he cross—examined to- with a strategic case at the detail. and he cross—examined to a - with a strategic case at the detail. and he cross—examined to a veryi and he cross—examined to a very forehsic— and he cross—examined to a very forensic way, _ and he cross—examined to a very forensic way, which _ and he cross—examined to a very forensic way, which i _ and he cross—examined to a very forensic way, which i think- and he cross—examined to a very forensic way, which i think some | forensic way, which i think some people _ forensic way, which i think some people prefer— forensic way, which i think some people prefer that _ forensic way, which i think some people prefer that style - forensic way, which i think some people prefer that style and - forensic way, which i think some i people prefer that style and other people _ people prefer that style and other people think — people prefer that style and other people think i'm _ people prefer that style and other people think i'm to _ people prefer that style and other people think i'm to pratchett - people prefer that style and other people think i'm to pratchett i - people think i'm to pratchett i should — people think i'm to pratchett i should tum— people think i'm to pratchett i should turn myself— people think i'm to pratchett i should turn myself down. - people think i'm to pratchett i should turn myself down. i. people think i'm to pratchett i should turn myself down. i doj people think i'm to pratchett i - should turn myself down. i do think it's different — should turn myself down. i do think it's different styles _ should turn myself down. i do think it's different styles but _ should turn myself down. i do think it's different styles but the - should turn myself down. i do think it's different styles but the guy- should turn myself down. i do think it's different styles but the guy i- it's different styles but the guy i know _ it's different styles but the guy i know is— it's different styles but the guy i know is he's— it's different styles but the guy i know is he's the _ it's different styles but the guy i know is he's the sort _ it's different styles but the guy i know is he's the sort of- it's different styles but the guy i know is he's the sort of guy - it's different styles but the guy i. know is he's the sort of guy that i want _ know is he's the sort of guy that i want to— know is he's the sort of guy that i want to took— know is he's the sort of guy that i want to look after my _ know is he's the sort of guy that i

want to look after my schools, i want to look after my schools, hospitals — want to look after my schools, hospitals and _ want to look after my schools, hospitals and public _ want to look after my schools, hospitals and public services l want to look after my schools, . hospitals and public services and not hospitals and public services and hot boris — hospitals and public services and not borisjohnson _ hospitals and public services and not boris johnson who _ hospitals and public services and not boris johnson who breaks . hospitals and public services and | not boris johnson who breaks the hospitals and public services and - not borisjohnson who breaks the law analyser— not borisjohnson who breaks the law analyser people _ not borisjohnson who breaks the law analyser people. no, _ not boris johnson who breaks the law analyser petiole-— not boris johnson who breaks the law analyser people. no, emma mentioned the idea of you — analyser people. no, emma mentioned the idea of you and _ analyser people. no, emma mentioned the idea of you and keir _ analyser people. no, emma mentioned the idea of you and keir starmer - the idea of you and keir starmer having a beer. we know that you and keir starmer had had a beer at least once, it wasn't during leisure with her were covert restrictions in place and you had a curry as well. i always want to ask what you had from the coverage shop. i hear you both had a questionnaire from durham police are investigating, did you fill in the questionnaire, what did you say? i fill in the questionnaire, what did ou sa ? . fill in the questionnaire, what did ousa? , , , fill in the questionnaire, what did ousa? , , you say? i said i be completely open because we — you say? i said i be completely open because we haven't _ you say? i said i be completely open because we haven't broken any - because we haven't broken any rules. right _ because we haven't broken any rules. right from _ because we haven't broken any rules. right from the — because we haven't broken any rules. right from the start _ because we haven't broken any rules. right from the start of— because we haven't broken any rules. right from the start of very _ right from the start of very confident— right from the start of very confident about _ right from the start of very confident about that. - right from the start of very confident about that. we . right from the start of very i confident about that. we were right from the start of very - confident about that. we were very diligent _ confident about that. we were very diligent at — confident about that. we were very diligent at the _ confident about that. we were very diligent at the time, _ confident about that. we were very diligent at the time, i _ confident about that. we were very diligent at the time, i couldn't - diligent at the time, i couldn't even — diligent at the time, i couldn't even see _ diligent at the time, i couldn't even see my— diligent at the time, i couldn't even see my granddaughter. diligent at the time, i couldn't l even see my granddaughter and diligent at the time, i couldn't - even see my granddaughter and she's -ot even see my granddaughter and she's got learning _ even see my granddaughter and she's got learning difficulties. _ even see my granddaughter and she's got learning difficulties. being - got learning difficulties. being apart— got learning difficulties. being apart from _ got learning difficulties. being apart from her— got learning difficulties. being apart from her means - got learning difficulties. being apart from her means that - got learning difficulties. beingi apart from her means that that got learning difficulties. being - apart from her means that that can damage _ apart from her means that that can damage the — apart from her means that that can damage the relationship. - apart from her means that that can damage the relationship. that's. apart from her means that that can . damage the relationship. that's what i had damage the relationship. that's what i had to— damage the relationship. that's what i had to do _ damage the relationship. that's what i had to do we — damage the relationship. that's what i had to do. we were _ damage the relationship. that's what i had to do. we were very— damage the relationship. that's what i had to do. we were very clear- damage the relationship. that's what i had to do. we were very clear on. i had to do. we were very clear on following — i had to do. we were very clear on following the rules _ i had to do. we were very clear on following the rules and _ i had to do. we were very clear on following the rules and i'm - i had to do. we were very clear on following the rules and i'm very i following the rules and i'm very confident— following the rules and i'm very confident about _ following the rules and i'm very confident about that, _ following the rules and i'm very confident about that, no - following the rules and i'm very confident about that, no rules i following the rules and i'm very - confident about that, no rules were broken _ confident about that, no rules were broken that's _ confident about that, no rules were broken. that's why— confident about that, no rules were broken. that's why me _ confident about that, no rules were broken. that's why me and - confident about that, no rules were broken. that's why me and keir- broken. that's why me and keir starmer— broken. that's why me and keir starmer have _ broken. that's why me and keir starmer have said _ broken. that's why me and keir starmer have said that - broken. that's why me and keir starmer have said that in- broken. that's why me and keirl starmer have said that in politics integrity — starmer have said that in politics integrity matters. _ starmer have said that in politics integrity matters. if _

starmer have said that in politics integrity matters. if you're - integrity matters. if you're breaking _ integrity matters. if you're breaking making _ integrity matters. if you're breaking making the - integrity matters. if you'rel breaking making the lawyer integrity matters. if you're - breaking making the lawyer can't break— breaking making the lawyer can't break it — breaking making the lawyer can't break it. you've _ breaking making the lawyer can't break it. you've got— breaking making the lawyer can't break it. you've got to _ breaking making the lawyer can't break it. you've got to those - breaking making the lawyer can'ti break it. you've got to those laws and there — break it. you've got to those laws and there was _ break it. you've got to those laws and there was parties— break it. you've got to those laws and there was parties going - break it. you've got to those laws and there was parties going on i break it. you've got to those laws and there was parties going on a i and there was parties going on a number— and there was parties going on a number tank— and there was parties going on a numbertank cleaners— and there was parties going on a number tank cleaners to - and there was parties going on a number tank cleaners to clean . and there was parties going on a i number tank cleaners to clean up vomit— number tank cleaners to clean up vomit off— number tank cleaners to clean up vomit off the _ number tank cleaners to clean up vomit off the floor— number tank cleaners to clean up vomit off the floor in _ number tank cleaners to clean up vomit off the floor in one - number tank cleaners to clean up vomit off the floor in one of - vomit off the floor in one of the watts _ vomit off the floor in one of the watts we — vomit off the floor in one of the walls. we said _ vomit off the floor in one of the walls. we said quite _ vomit off the floor in one of the i walls. we said quite categorically that we _ walls. we said quite categorically that we would _ walls. we said quite categorically that we would resign _ walls. we said quite categorically that we would resign and - walls. we said quite categorically that we would resign and i - walls. we said quite categorically that we would resign and i think. that we would resign and i think that's— that we would resign and i think that's the — that we would resign and i think that's the right _ that we would resign and i think that's the right thing _ that we would resign and i think that's the right thing to - that we would resign and i think that's the right thing to do. - that we would resign and i think. that's the right thing to do. some things— that's the right thing to do. some things matter— that's the right thing to do. some things matter more _ that's the right thing to do. some things matter more than - that's the right thing to do. some things matter more than the - things matter more than the individual— things matter more than the individual politician. - things matter more than the individual politician. it's - things matter more than the i individual politician. it's about standards— individual politician. it's about standards and _ individual politician. it's about standards and public- individual politician. it's about standards and public life - individual politician. it's about| standards and public life which individual politician. it's about i standards and public life which is why i_ standards and public life which is why i brought _ standards and public life which is why i brought that _ standards and public life which is why i brought that motion - standards and public life which is why i brought that motion to - standards and public life which is why i brought that motion to the | why i brought that motion to the house _ why i brought that motion to the house this — why i brought that motion to the house this week. _ why i brought that motion to the house this week. i _ why i brought that motion to the house this week. i do _ why i brought that motion to the house this week. i do personallyj house this week. i do personally think— house this week. i do personally think that matters _ house this week. i do personally think that matters more - house this week. i do personally think that matters more than . house this week. i do personally think that matters more than an| think that matters more than an individual— think that matters more than an individual politician. _ think that matters more than an individual politician. do - think that matters more than an individual politician.— think that matters more than an individual politician. do the right end. individual politician. do the right end- doing _ individual politician. do the right end. doing the _ individual politician. do the right end. doing the right _ individual politician. do the right end. doing the right thing. - individual politician. do the right end. doing the right thing. one | individual politician. do the right. end. doing the right thing. one of the things i've never quite understood is this whole saga around you not being fair and not being present. at that campaign evening meeting, whatever was going on and that you were there. why was there a complication confusion over that? joe's going all forensic. i complication confusion over that? joe's going all forensic.— joe's going all forensic. i found that so frustrating _

joe's going all forensic. i found that so frustrating because - joe's going all forensic. i found that so frustrating because it i joe's going all forensic. i found i that so frustrating because it was joe's going all forensic. i found - that so frustrating because it was a member— that so frustrating because it was a member of— that so frustrating because it was a member of staff— that so frustrating because it was a member of staff who _ that so frustrating because it was a member of staff who said - that so frustrating because it was a member of staff who said it - that so frustrating because it was al member of staff who said it months ago and _ member of staff who said it months ago and it— member of staff who said it months ago and it was— member of staff who said it months ago and it was clear. _ member of staff who said it months ago and it was clear. but _ member of staff who said it months ago and it was clear. but i- member of staff who said it months ago and it was clear. but i tweeted i ago and it was clear. but i tweeted at the _ ago and it was clear. but i tweeted at the time, i— ago and it was clear. but i tweeted at the time, i put _ ago and it was clear. but i tweeted at the time, i put a _ ago and it was clear. but i tweeted at the time, i put a picture - ago and it was clear. but i tweeted at the time, i put a picture on - ago and it was clear. but i tweeted at the time, i put a picture on my. at the time, i put a picture on my profile _ at the time, i put a picture on my profile because i— at the time, i put a picture on my profile because i was _ at the time, i put a picture on my profile because i was so - at the time, i put a picture on my profile because i was so proud i at the time, i put a picture on my profile because i was so proud to| at the time, i put a picture on my. profile because i was so proud to be at the _ profile because i was so proud to be at the hatt— profile because i was so proud to be at the hall because _ profile because i was so proud to be at the hall because it's _ profile because i was so proud to be at the hall because it's like - profile because i was so proud to be at the hall because it's like the - at the hall because it's like the bible, — at the hall because it's like the bible, it's— at the hall because it's like the bible, it's like _ at the hall because it's like the bible, it's like a _ at the hall because it's like the bible, it's like a home - at the hall because it's like the bible, it's like a home to- at the hall because it's like the bible, it's like a home to my. at the hall because it's like the - bible, it's like a home to my trade unionists — bible, it's like a home to my trade unionists of — bible, it's like a home to my trade unionists of the _ bible, it's like a home to my trade unionists of the north _ bible, it's like a home to my trade unionists of the north to - bible, it's like a home to my trade unionists of the north to be - bible, it's like a home to my trade unionists of the north to be in - bible, it's like a home to my trade| unionists of the north to be in that place _ unionists of the north to be in that place we — unionists of the north to be in that place. we never— unionists of the north to be in that place. i've never hidden _ unionists of the north to be in that place. i've never hidden the - place. i've never hidden the fact that i_ place. i've never hidden the fact that i was— place. i've never hidden the fact that i was there. i— place. i've never hidden the fact that i was there. iwas- place. i've never hidden the fact that i was there. i was there - place. i've never hidden the fact that i was there. i was there for| that i was there. i was there for work, _ that i was there. i was there for work. i— that i was there. i was there for work. iwasn't _ that i was there. i was there for work, i wasn't depressed - that i was there. i was there for work, i wasn't depressed the i that i was there. i was there for. work, i wasn't depressed the next morning _ work, i wasn't depressed the next morning because _ work, i wasn't depressed the next morning because me _ work, i wasn't depressed the next morning because me and - work, iwasn't depressed the next morning because me and keir- work, i wasn't depressed the next - morning because me and keir starmer didn't— morning because me and keir starmer didn'tioint_ morning because me and keir starmer didn'tjoint tenant _ morning because me and keir starmer didn't joint tenant treatment - morning because me and keir starmer didn't joint tenant treatment visit. - didn't joint tenant treatment visit. i didn't joint tenant treatment visit. i was _ didn't joint tenant treatment visit. i was an— didn't joint tenant treatment visit. i was an ontine _ didn't joint tenant treatment visit. i was an online zoom _ didn't joint tenant treatment visit. i was an online zoom in the - i was an online zoom in the same room _ i was an online zoom in the same room that— i was an online zoom in the same room that was _ i was an online zoom in the same room that was never— i was an online zoom in the same room that was never hiding - i was an online zoom in the same room that was never hiding the l i was an online zoom in the same . room that was never hiding the fact i room that was never hiding the fact i was there. — room that was never hiding the fact i was there, that's _ room that was never hiding the fact i was there, that's the _ room that was never hiding the fact i was there, that's the frustration . i was there, that's the frustration for me. _ i was there, that's the frustration for me. to — i was there, that's the frustration for me, to be honest. _ i was there, that's the frustration for me, to be honest. obviously. i was there, that's the frustration i for me, to be honest. obviously that wasiust_ for me, to be honest. obviously that wasjust completely— for me, to be honest. obviously that was just completely didn't _ for me, to be honest. obviously that was just completely didn't need - was just completely didn't need to happen _ was just completely didn't need to happen. that— was just completely didn't need to happen. that was _ was just completely didn't need to happen. that was a _ was just completely didn't need to happen. that was a genuine - was just completely didn't need to . happen. that was a genuine mistake that was— happen. that was a genuine mistake that was made — happen. that was a genuine mistake that was made by— happen. that was a genuine mistake that was made by a _ happen. that was a genuine mistake that was made by a member- happen. that was a genuine mistake that was made by a member of - happen. that was a genuine mistake that was made by a member of staff| that was made by a member of staff and a _ that was made by a member of staff and a market— that was made by a member of staff and a market is— that was made by a member of staff and a market is condemn _ that was made by a member of staff and a market is condemn them - that was made by a member of staff and a market is condemn them for. and a market is condemn them for that, _ and a market is condemn them for that, mistakes happen _ and a market is condemn them for| that, mistakes happen sometimes. and a market is condemn them for- that, mistakes happen sometimes. but with a _ that, mistakes happen sometimes. but with a little _ that, mistakes happen sometimes. but with a little bit— that, mistakes happen sometimes. but with a little bit of— that, mistakes happen sometimes. but with a little bit ofjournalism _ that, mistakes happen sometimes. but with a little bit ofjournalism all- with a little bit ofjournalism all they have — with a little bit ofjournalism all they have to _ with a little bit ofjournalism all they have to do was _ with a little bit ofjournalism all they have to do was look-

with a little bit ofjournalism all they have to do was look in - with a little bit ofjournalism all- they have to do was look in between and found _ they have to do was look in between and found it — they have to do was look in between and found it— and found it. strike question. you've said — and found it. strike question. you've said you _ and found it. strike question. you've said you would - and found it. strike question. you've said you would resign | and found it. strike question. | you've said you would resign if you're — you've said you would resign if you're fine _ you've said you would resign if you're fine. but if keir starmer is finding— you're fine. but if keir starmer is finding you— you're fine. but if keir starmer is finding you are not, would you still stepped _ finding you are not, would you still stepped down because you were there? i'm confident that obviously will both there. _ i'm confident that obviously will both there, were _ i'm confident that obviously will both there, were both - i'm confident that obviously will both there, were both work - i'm confident that obviously willl both there, were both work and, i'm confident that obviously will. both there, were both work and, if we both— both there, were both work and, if we both get— both there, were both work and, if we both get fined _ both there, were both work and, if we both get fined but _ both there, were both work and, if we both get fined but were - both there, were both work and, if we both get fined but were very i we both get fined but were very confident— we both get fined but were very confident we _ we both get fined but were very confident we won't _ we both get fined but were very confident we won't get - we both get fined but were very confident we won't get fined. i we both get fined but were very i confident we won't get fined. you mentioned _ confident we won't get fined. you mentioned your _ confident we won't get fined. mentioned your prior trade confident we won't get fined.” mentioned your prior trade union confident we won't get fined.“ mentioned your prior trade union is passed. do you think the railway workers should get in inflation linked to strut the strike going ahead, that the is planning? i’m ahead, that the is planning? i'm very pro—industrial trade union and i very pro—industrial trade union and i can— very pro—industrial trade union and i can tell— very pro—industrial trade union and i can tell you — very pro—industrial trade union and i can tell you nobody— very pro—industrial trade union and i can tell you nobody goes - very pro—industrial trade union and i can tell you nobody goes on - very pro—industrial trade union and| i can tell you nobody goes on strike and i'm _ i can tell you nobody goes on strike and i'm hopeful— i can tell you nobody goes on strike and i'm hopeful they— i can tell you nobody goes on strike and i'm hopeful they come - i can tell you nobody goes on strike and i'm hopeful they come to an i and i'm hopeful they come to an agreement— and i'm hopeful they come to an agreement because _ and i'm hopeful they come to an agreement because what - and i'm hopeful they come to an agreement because what we - and i'm hopeful they come to an i agreement because what we don't and i'm hopeful they come to an - agreement because what we don't want to see _ agreement because what we don't want to see is _ agreement because what we don't want to see is people — agreement because what we don't want to see is people losing _ agreement because what we don't want to see is people losing a _ agreement because what we don't want to see is people losing a days— to see is people losing a days pay and take — to see is people losing a days pay and take strike _ to see is people losing a days pay and take strike action— to see is people losing a days pay and take strike action we - to see is people losing a days pay and take strike action we can't. and take strike action we can't afford — and take strike action we can't afford to— and take strike action we can't afford to take, _ and take strike action we can't afford to take, we _ and take strike action we can't afford to take, we don't - and take strike action we can't afford to take, we don't wanti and take strike action we can't. afford to take, we don't want to and take strike action we can't- afford to take, we don't want to see the disruption — afford to take, we don't want to see the disruption to _ afford to take, we don't want to see the disruption to the _ afford to take, we don't want to see the disruption to the public. - afford to take, we don't want to see the disruption to the public. i- the disruption to the public. i know that's— the disruption to the public. i know that's out— the disruption to the public. i know that's out trade _ the disruption to the public. i know that's out trade units _ the disruption to the public. i know that's out trade units feel. - the disruption to the public. i know that's out trade units feel. i- the disruption to the public. i know that's out trade units feel. i know i that's out trade units feel. i know people _ that's out trade units feel. i know people to — that's out trade units feel. i know peopte to get _ that's out trade units feel. i know peopte to get the _ that's out trade units feel. i know people to get the drop _ that's out trade units feel. i know people to get the drop of- that's out trade units feel. i know people to get the drop of a - that's out trade units feel. i know| people to get the drop of a hackle out on _ people to get the drop of a hackle out on industrial— people to get the drop of a hackle out on industrial action, _

people to get the drop of a hacklej out on industrial action, so—called trade _ out on industrial action, so—called trade union— out on industrial action, so—called trade union barons, _ out on industrial action, so—called trade union barons, or— out on industrial action, so—called trade union barons, or only- out on industrial action, so—called trade union barons, or only as - out on industrial action, so—called trade union barons, or only as asi trade union barons, or only as as good _ trade union barons, or only as as good our membership— trade union barons, or only as as . good our membership and members don't go _ good our membership and members don't go out — good our membership and members don't go out unless _ good our membership and members don't go out unless it's _ good our membership and members don't go out unless it's an _ good our membership and members don't go out unless it's an absolute i don't go out unless it's an absolute necessary — don't go out unless it's an absolute necessary~ i'm _ don't go out unless it's an absolute necessary. i'm hopeful— don't go out unless it's an absolute necessary. i'm hopeful that- don't go out unless it's an absolute necessary. i'm hopeful that if- don't go out unless it's an absolute necessary. i'm hopeful that if the i necessary. i'm hopeful that if the government— necessary. i'm hopeful that if the government stops— necessary. i'm hopeful that if the government stops talking - necessary. i'm hopeful that if the government stops talking the - necessary. i'm hopeful that if the government stops talking the bigj government stops talking the big cheese _ government stops talking the big cheese and — government stops talking the big cheese and start _ government stops talking the big cheese and start getting - government stops talking the big cheese and start getting around. government stops talking the big. cheese and start getting around the table and _ cheese and start getting around the table and having _ cheese and start getting around the table and having those _ cheese and start getting around the table and having those discussions, j table and having those discussions, ithink— table and having those discussions, i think they— table and having those discussions, i think they can _ table and having those discussions, i think they can to _ table and having those discussions, i think they can to further _ table and having those discussions, i think they can to further strike - i think they can to further strike action — i think they can to further strike action trade _ i think they can to further strike action. trade unionists - i think they can to further strike action. trade unionists and - i think they can to further strike| action. trade unionists and their employers — action. trade unionists and their employers that _ action. trade unionists and their employers that if— action. trade unionists and their employers that if it _ action. trade unionists and their employers that if it ends - action. trade unionists and their employers that if it ends up - action. trade unionists and their employers that if it ends up in i employers that if it ends up in strike action _ employers that if it ends up in strike action that's _ employers that if it ends up in strike action that's a - employers that if it ends up in strike action that's a lose - employers that if it ends up in strike action that's a lose losej employers that if it ends up in i strike action that's a lose lose for both— strike action that's a lose lose for both sides — strike action that's a lose lose for both sides if— strike action that's a lose lose for both sides— both sides. if it does end up in strike action _ both sides. if it does end up in strike action where were - both sides. if it does end up in strike action where were yourl strike action where were your sympathies be that day to people who can't get to work ok go and see their grandchild, for example? or their grandchild, for example? or the people who are on the picket line? �* ., , , the people who are on the picket line? �* .,, , ., �* ., line? i'm hopeful they won't get to the oint line? i'm hopeful they won't get to the point but _ line? i'm hopeful they won't get to the point but i'll— line? i'm hopeful they won't get to the point but i'll probably - line? i'm hopeful they won't get to the point but i'll probably be - line? i'm hopeful they won't get to the point but i'll probably be one i the point but i'll probably be one of those — the point but i'll probably be one of those computers _ the point but i'll probably be one of those computers that - the point but i'll probably be one of those computers that will - the point but i'll probably be one of those computers that will be i of those computers that will be in that situation. _ of those computers that will be in that situation. i'm _ of those computers that will be in that situation. i'm hopeful- of those computers that will be in that situation. i'm hopeful that i of those computers that will be in| that situation. i'm hopeful that we won't _ that situation. i'm hopeful that we won't get — that situation. i'm hopeful that we won't get to— that situation. i'm hopeful that we won't get to the _ that situation. i'm hopeful that we won't get to the point. _ that situation. i'm hopeful that we won't get to the point. i _ that situation. i'm hopeful that we won't get to the point. i know- won't get to the point. i know that's— won't get to the point. i know that's not— won't get to the point. i know that's not where _ won't get to the point. i know that's not where the - won't get to the point. i know that's not where the trade - won't get to the point. i know- that's not where the trade unions want _ that's not where the trade unions want to— that's not where the trade unions want to be — that's not where the trade unions want to be i_ that's not where the trade unions want to be. i hope _ that's not where the trade unions want to be. i hope that— that's not where the trade unions want to be. i hope that those - want to be. i hope that those discussions _ want to be. i hope that those discussions continue. - want to be. i hope that those discussions continue. we - want to be. i hope that those i discussions continue. we don't want to be. i hope that those - discussions continue. we don't have to be _ discussions continue. we don't have to be there. — discussions continue. we don't have to be there. they— discussions continue. we don't have to be there, they can _ discussions continue. we don't have to be there, they can come - discussions continue. we don't have to be there, they can come to- discussions continue. we don't have to be there, they can come to an . to be there, they can come to an agreement— to be there, they can come to an agreement and _ to be there, they can come to an agreement and am _ to be there, they can come to an agreement and am hopeful- to be there, they can come to an agreement and am hopeful thati to be there, they can come to an i agreement and am hopeful that will be the _ agreement and am hopeful that will be the case — agreement and am hopeful that will be the case do— agreement and am hopeful that will be the case-— be the case. do you like the rmt? did not actually _ be the case. do you like the rmt? did not actually affiliated - be the case. do you like the rmt? did not actually affiliated to - be the case. do you like the rmt? did not actually affiliated to the i did not actually affiliated to the labour party. i did not actually affiliated to the labour party-—

labour party. i have to go. i'm gonna miss — labour party. i have to go. i'm gonna miss my _ labour party. i have to go. i'm gonna miss my trade. - labour party. i have to go. i'm gonna miss my trade. perfect, erfect gonna miss my trade. perfect, perfect timing- _ gonna miss my trade. perfect, perfect timing. five _ gonna miss my trade. perfect, perfect timing. five minutes. l gonna miss my trade. perfect, i perfect timing. five minutes. 0k, perfect timing. five minutes. ok, thank you much for your time. no worries. two things jumped thank you much for your time. no worries. two thingsjumped out thank you much for your time. no worries. two things jumped out for me she is so confident they did not break the rules in durham with that beer and curry thing. she didn't sound super confident that keir starmer is doing an amazing job, she was loyal but not supremely loyal. no, she did rather stressed the contrasting styles and the fact that keir starmer still to some extent hides his real personality and charisma and is a bit of me that they should like him to show a little bit more of it. even if she is the boulder, brush run as she said herself. it is much more fun, she set off camera. perhaps not

standing up in prime minister's questions. yes, a difficult line to tread as deputy leader. they haven't always got on it like a house on fire. i always got on it like a house on fire. ., always got on it like a house on fire. . ., . , fire. i want to ask, i remember havin: a fire. i want to ask, i remember having a chat — fire. i want to ask, i remember having a chat with _ fire. i want to ask, i remember having a chat with her- fire. i want to ask, i remember having a chat with her once - fire. i want to ask, i remember| having a chat with her once and fire. i want to ask, i remember - having a chat with her once and she said that she was like bridgetjones and he was like mark darcy. interesting. they end up to gather. interesting. they end up to gather. i wonder how she got beyond that now and which you have a different fictional parent. our sister park as ukraine podcast which you can get on bbc sound was talking about the fate of the two british men fighting on the ukrainian side in the contract with and what has happened to them today, a story you have also been covering a lot, emma. bring us up—to—date about what has actually happened. yes, it's not very good news at all. it is two men, aiden aslin and shaun pinner, they have been fighting for several years with the ukrainian military, they were fighting in mariupol, under siege there, of course, for weeks, and aiden himself was posting updates on social media right

from the heart of the siege. what happened in the end was in april, after weeks, they ran out of ammo, food and supplies and he had to give himself up with the rest of his unit. a few days later, he starts turning up on pro—russian media outlets, bruised, battered, in handcuffs, being interrogated. and his colleague shaun pinner was captured as well. and ever since then, they have been held in russian—held territory in eastern ukraine. they have been in this supposed trial, it only seems to have lasted a couple of days, there has not been any witnesses. today more footage emerged on russian channels that says they have been sentenced to the death penalty, found guilty. that is now their fate. it is very frightening because we don't know what will become of them now. we know the foreign office is doing what it can behind the scenes, talking to the families, trying to negotiate if there will be some sort of prisoner exchange, but this is the reality now.

they are being paraded on russian media, interrogated for russian audiences to see, and who knows what kind of duress they are under? this is not a normal court that we would be used to here. but cast your mind back to the beginning of the invasion of ukraine, there were a lot of people who went out from the uk, the us, all over the world, who wanted to help defend ukraine and theyjoined the international legion, other militia groups out there. but shaun and aiden are different because they actually moved to ukraine in 2018. aiden passed out as a marine a few years ago, he is engaged to a ukrainian woman who has now come over here, actually, so his life was very much in ukraine. he wasn't some warjunkie, some sort of thrill—seeker who just jumped on the bandwagon because there was a war kicking off. he has been there for years and he is now sat there, potentially facing the firing squad, if you listen to russian media. it is a very frightening time for his family and it just shows the reality of how british citizens

will be treated in the middle of that conflict and the propaganda value they have, because this is a big propaganda war, aside from what is going on of course in the physical context. i wonder what impact that will have, as you say, that parading, the frightening, sinister prospect of what could end up being theirfate, for anybody else thinking of going out to ukraine. i understand you say it is different because they have been there but there will be other british citizens who have lived there for a few years. there are many still that went out a few months ago and it is probably less who did what they did and joined the military a few years back. they have been there for a while but of course it will be a deterrent, it is frightening. i have known aiden for a number of years because i covered his story when he actually went out and fought in syria against isis, but the sight of him there, a big bruise on his forehead, in handcuffs, being made to answer questions which again, most people believe that goes against the geneva convention, you should not show prisoners of war

or ridicule them or show them in footage in that way. it's a very frightening picture that they are able to be used for propaganda. anybody that knows aiden and what he believes in, then if you watch his social media appearances since being in captivity, it seems to be a different person speaking. the views he is coming out with now are not those of the wants of people who have known him for a long time and you just wonder what kind of duress he and the others might be under. how are their families doing? i have known aiden's family for a long time as well and they are just really in bits today about it. his mum told me she was numb. she knew this was probably going to happen and he would be put up in court and potentially face the death penalty and her hope is there can be some kind of prisoner exchange but his family are just very frightened. they were very proud of what he was doing out there, that he became a marine, wanted to fight for ukraine, made it his second home. emma, thank you for bringing us up—to—date on that and for keeping

us company in the newscast studio. thank you. lovely to see you. and thanks for coming in again, jo. any time. you can come again! thanks — i might! hello. the weather this weekend overall isn't going to be bad at all. in fact, plenty of sunny spells on the way, but it will be quite windy at times and a few showers in the forecast, too, particularly across north—western areas. and that's what's happening through the course of tonight. northern ireland and scotland get plenty of showers, especially in the western isles here, windy around coasts. the further south and east you are, the clearer the weather will be. and the temperatures, whether you are north or south, first thing on saturday will be more or less the same, 12 degrees. so, the forecast for saturday, lots of sunshine from the word go

across england and wales. the possibility of one or two showers, particularly in northern england, but most of them will be in northern ireland and scotland. much fresher here, as well, around the mid—teens. the warmer weather will be the further east and south you are, the low 205. that was saturday, this is sunday. and i think the winds will be lighter on sunday, and it'll feel, as a result, a little bit warmer.

the high court rules the first flight to rwanda — deporting people who've arrived here illegally — can go ahead next week. ministers say the scheme will discourage asylum seekers from crossing the channel — but opponents who challenged the plan in court said their fight will continue. this their fight will continue. isn't in any way a vindicati of this isn't in any way a vindication of the policy it will still be tested in the courts. it is simply a decision related to the flight on tuesday. the court granted permission to appeal, and the case will be heard again at the court of appeal on monday. also tonight. borisjohnson urges ministers to do everything to free the two british men sentenced to death by russia forfighting in ukraine. last year's capitol riot in the us — a congressional inquiry

hears claims that donald trump orchestrated the attack in an 'attempted coup'.