just they want more money. and they can hold the country to ransom. the government is to trial a scheme allowing asylum seekers who cross the channel in small boats to be electronically tagged. tens of thousands of people march in central london calling on the government to do more to help tackle the cost of living crisis. now on bbc news, it's time for talking business. hello, for talking business. everybody. welcome to talki business hello, everybody. welcome to talking business weekly with me current aaron heslehurst. let's take a look at what is on the show. it is called the global food crisis, at what is on the show. it is called the globalfood crisis, around at what is on the show. it is called the global food crisis, around the world, vital supplies are trapped in ukraine, drive up prices. i will take a look at some of the effects, that the song through cuts are having in africa africa, and how will the developing world to cope. i

will the developing world to cope. i will be discussing this with all of that, the chief economist at the world food programme and the head of agriculture at the african union. also on the show, because technology help africa grasp its agricultural potential? will be speaking to the big boss of a company helping to spread or spread smart farming across that vast continent. —— spread smart farming. wherever you arejoining me wherever you are joining me from around the world can once again, they can anyone welcome to the show. russia's invasion of ukraine is devastating the population, leaving tens thousands feared dead and millions displaced destroying lives and uprooting the very fabric of that country. at the heart of the

ukrainian economy is agriculture. in particular, growing crops. a nation are known as the breadbasket of europe, disrupting that production is having a dramatic effect on the global food supply, is having a dramatic effect on the globalfood supply, sending prices through the roof. the result is one of the wipers make poorest countries are now paying more money for less food. millions of tonnes of grain are trapped in ukraine, either still in the ground or sitting in silos, unable to be shipped through the traditional routes as reports lie under siege from the russian navy and transporting infrastructure lies in ruins. the blockade has become a crisis, with russia using world hunger as a tool, being accused of. spilling across the globe, and this is driving up food prices, pushing people into poverty, and destabilising entire regions. russia is a solely responsible for this food crisis, russia alone. fine

food crisis, russia alone. one reaion, food crisis, russia alone. one region, especially _ food crisis, russia alone. one region, especially affected, is africa. a witch boss mike brew of conditions, spiralling energy costs, years of drought and field crops have all come together to push the constant�*s have all come together to push the consta nt�*s food have all come together to push the constant�*s food security to the brink. it has prompted warnings of millions at risk of hunger and destitution. it is notjust ukrainian supplies causing the problem, as western sanctions on russia and also a huge grain and fortaleza employer does make fertiliser importer, to present beauty, to please their case. translation:— beauty, to please their case. translation: �* , translation: africa pop, while being ve far translation: africa pop, while being very far from — translation: africa pop, while being very far from our _ translation: africa pop, while being very far from our operations, - translation: africa pop, while being very far from our operations, was - very far from our operations, was one very farfrom our operations, was one of the first car for victims of the war, since africa has a weak economy and cannot adapt. this crisis has led to the stoppage of exports in the 100 and ukraine, but also from russia because of the sanctions, so we were there between these two. we told president putin that he absolutely has to help to

facilitate the export of ukrainian seas, but above all, russia must also be able to export their sizes and food products. i must specify that africa is not asking for humanitarian aid, we want to trade and we're not asking for help on wheat, we have two by and we can buy, but the market must be free, it must be supplied.— must be supplied. let's remind ourselves _ must be supplied. let's remind ourselves how _ must be supplied. let's remind ourselves how important - must be supplied. let's remind | ourselves how important russia must be supplied. let's remind - ourselves how important russia and ukraine are to the global food supply. together, they produce nearly 30% of global wheat exports, almost 20% of corn exports and 80% of sunflower oil. in africa, they provide around 40% of the wheat they eat. helps to feed some 1.4 billion people. there are warnings there are some 80 million people are acutely hungry on that continent. since the start of the war, as we have said, prices have only been going up. in turn, these higher prices are leading to rises in food protectionism as countries hold onto

their own supplies. major producers like india have been banning private wheat exports which does not help the current crisis. countries across africa are feeling the pressure now, especially those most reliant on food imports, where bread is life. memories of the arab spring uprising, sparked by rising bread prices are fresh in the minds of countries like egypt who gets around 80% of their wheat from russia and ukraine, and when it nearly one third of the population live in extreme poverty. in the horn of africa, like somalia, getting over 90% of their wheat from russia and ukraine, warning of a family, after years of drought. a further season's crop in ukraine, it is a waiting harvest and the clock is ticking. to free up the movement of these greens could be the difference between life and death for millions. let's got more on all of this because early i caught up with the chief economist from the world food programme. a real pleasure my friend, having you on the show. we start with painting

a picture ofjust how serious the current situation for global hunger is? ., ~ current situation for global hunger is? . ~ , ., current situation for global hunger is? . ~ ., current situation for global hunger is? ., ~ ., ., is? thank you for inviting me. you know camille _ is? thank you for inviting me. you know camillo just _ is? thank you for inviting me. you know camillo just put _ is? thank you for inviting me. you know camillo just put it _ is? thank you for inviting me. you know camillo just put it this - is? thank you for inviting me. you know camillo just put it this way. l know camillo just put it this way. on a scale of one to ten, this is ten plus. the reason i say that i do not say that very likely is because ukraine is the food baskets, the global food ukraine is the food baskets, the globalfood basket ukraine is the food baskets, the global food basket for about 400 million people. when that gets trapped, you feel the repercussions, notjust in ukraine, but around the world. and also don't forget that this crisis is not happening... incomes are already reeling because of covid—19, an all—time high, big and small, in 45 countries, the

inflation was upwards of 15%, year—on—year. you had currencies around the world in a 25 or 30 economies, they lost a big portion of the value of the currency in less than a year. so with covid—19, with incomes going down, with inflation and its level, dealing with covid—19, this was the last thing we wanted. it covid-19, this was the last thing we wanted. , . .,, covid-19, this was the last thing we wanted. , . ~ , covid-19, this was the last thing we wanted. ~ , . wanted. it is almost like sadly, a erfect wanted. it is almost like sadly, a perfect storm. — wanted. it is almost like sadly, a perfect storm, and _ wanted. it is almost like sadly, a perfect storm, and i _ wanted. it is almost like sadly, a perfect storm, and i am - wanted. it is almost like sadly, a perfect storm, and i am focusingj wanted. it is almost like sadly, a i perfect storm, and i am focusing on africa a lot on this show, and what are your major concerns for that continent? fin are your ma'or concerns for that continent?— are your ma'or concerns for that continent? on a good day, most --eole in continent? on a good day, most peeple in africa _ continent? on a good day, most people in africa spend _ continent? on a good day, most people in africa spend 50, - continent? on a good day, most people in africa spend 50, 60%| continent? on a good day, most i people in africa spend 50, 6096 of people in africa spend 50, 60% of their income on food. with this crisis, that the 50 or 60% becomes 70, 80%, and so don't forget, it is notjust about 70, 80%, and so don't forget, it is not just about food, it is

70, 80%, and so don't forget, it is notjust about food, it is about oil, fuel, vegetable oil because thatis oil, fuel, vegetable oil because that is what most poor people eat. between gas, oil and food, there is no competing. this is why it is so important to have this comic around the world, that they don't have to make drastic choices, they don't have to make choices that we may also get later in life —— regret. also get later in life -- regret. do ou also get later in life —— regret. do you think the world food programme have been too reliant, the un is welcome on one source nation for its supplies? correct me if i'm wrong, 40% of wheat aid used to come from ukraine? i 4096 of wheat aid used to come from ukraine? ., ,._ 4096 of wheat aid used to come from ukraine? ., _ . ., ukraine? i would say that the world has been to — ukraine? i would say that the world has been to reliance _ ukraine? i would say that the world has been to reliance on _ ukraine? i would say that the world has been to reliance on a _ ukraine? i would say that the world has been to reliance on a very - ukraine? i would say that the world has been to reliance on a very few. has been to reliance on a very few exporters. when you look at your wheat, grains like we saw, less than

ten countries provide 80, 90% of that grain. less than five countries... up to 1880% of those grains. —— 80,90. countries... up to 1880% of those grains. —— 80, 90. any of these big ones, you will find repercussions around the world. so the lesson that comes out of this is that we must diversify our exports in large export base, so we are not in this situation, this kind of situation again. same goes for reserves. the funny thing... as an investor, you would neverjust buy one at stock, from one place. that would be the smart thing, but for global food security, there is no diversification. what really bothers

me is this issue. we went through this in thousand and eight, 2011, with covid—19. —— in a 2008. so this in thousand and eight, 2011, with covid-19. -- in a 2008. so we are not good _ with covid-19. -- in a 2008. so we are not good at _ with covid-19. -- in a 2008. so we are not good at learning _ with covid-19. -- in a 2008. so we are not good at learning our - are not good at learning our lessons?— are not good at learning our lessons? ., . ., ~ ., , lessons? no, we are not. and i hope, hoe, lessons? no, we are not. and i hope, hope. that— lessons? no, we are not. and i hope, hope, that countries _ lessons? no, we are not. and i hope, hope, that countries rethink- lessons? no, we are not. and i hope, hope, that countries rethink their - hope, that countries rethink their agricultural policies, the energy policies and if not for the environmental sake, we think for the economic security and political security. economic security and political securi . ~ ., economic security and political securi . ., . �*, security. the world food programme's role is to help — security. the world food programme's role is to help feed _ security. the world food programme's role is to help feed people _ security. the world food programme's role is to help feed people in _ security. the world food programme's role is to help feed people in a - role is to help feed people in a crisis. where do you make up the shortfall is? if you see get 40% of wheat from ukraine, who do tend to now? —— who do you turn to now? something that is quite interesting, right now, the world hasn't suddenly run out of food but what has

happened is it has become more expensive because maybe you had to buy it from further away, which costs more, both in terms of time, meaning it takes longer to get it where it is needed, but also in terms of freight. right now, this is a question of affordability. the problem is that if we don't sort out the fertiliser issue, if we don't make sure that the agricultural imports, particularly fertiliser... and it goes at an affordable rate and on time, we will be talking about the availability crisis next year and you know what that is going to be. fin year and you know what that is going to be. ., year and you know what that is going to be. . , ., ., . year and you know what that is going to be. . ,., ., . ., . to be. on that point, how much of a wor is to be. on that point, how much of a worry is the — to be. on that point, how much of a worry is the possibility _ to be. on that point, how much of a worry is the possibility of _ to be. on that point, how much of a worry is the possibility of social - worry is the possibility of social unrest, arif, as a result of hunger?

we know that many countries are at the highest risk are the ones that are often the most unstable. is there a snowballing issue? an there a snowballing issue? an extreme there a snowballing issue? in extreme risk. people in rich and poor countries, they are suffering. a stable country, but what happened there? the government changed. issues there... many other countries, things are brewing right now. and we need to be careful of those, we need to make sure that they are able to provide... facilities for the poor countries, how they can buy food, so they can buy a fuel, so they can buy

fertiliser. and that would go a long way in minimising the risk of unrest. when it starts, that is it. it starts in one place and then it spreads. it is something that you need to sort out before it happens because when it happens it is too late. �* �* ., , late. and arif, let me end on this because how _ late. and arif, let me end on this because how much _ late. and arif, let me end on this because how much of _ late. and arif, let me end on this because how much of a _ late. and arif, let me end on this because how much of a concern l late. and arif, let me end on this| because how much of a concern is everything you have just spoken to me about? all of the pictures you have painted. how much of a concern is that for global economic developments? o, is that for global economic developments?— is that for global economic develoments? �* . ., . ., developments? a huge concern. to truly understand _ developments? a huge concern. to truly understand that, _ developments? a huge concern. to truly understand that, you - developments? a huge concern. to truly understand that, you have - developments? a huge concern. to truly understand that, you have to. truly understand that, you have to understand that we are coming out of covid—19. people are depressed, communities, there is not enough money to go around. in that type of environment, when inflation is at

record levels in poor countries and rich countries, as i was saying earlier, currencies are falling the more time it takes to sort this thing out, the bigger the pressure, the bigger the recession we could see. the quicker we can sort this out, the quicker recovery we can see... so, for me, if you are not going to do it for them, please do it for yourself. because not doing is not enough for the entire global community. is not enough for the entire global community-— is not enough for the entire global communi . . ~ i. ., i. community. thank you for your time, a real pleasure _ community. thank you for your time, a real pleasure speaking _ community. thank you for your time, a real pleasure speaking to _ community. thank you for your time, a real pleasure speaking to you. - a real pleasure speaking to you. good luck with everything and i would love to talk to you again soon. ., ~' would love to talk to you again soon. . ~ i. a, ., would love to talk to you again soon. . ~ ., . , soon. thank you, aaron, i really appreciate _ soon. thank you, aaron, i really appreciate the — soon. thank you, aaron, i really appreciate the opportunity - soon. thank you, aaron, i really appreciate the opportunity and l soon. thank you, aaron, i really appreciate the opportunity and i | appreciate the opportunity and i hope we can do something about this.

as we have been discussing, africa is one of the areas hardest hit by the spiralling cost of food, so i have been speaking with the commissioner for agriculture from the continent's commissionerfor agriculture from the continent's biggest club, the african union. ambassador, thank you so much for your time, much appreciated you coming on the show. can we start with this, what has been the impact of the war in ukraine on africa?— been the impact of the war in ukraine on africa? firstly, i would like to thank— ukraine on africa? firstly, i would like to thank the _ ukraine on africa? firstly, i would like to thankthe 33c— ukraine on africa? firstly, i would like to thank the bbc for - ukraine on africa? firstly, i would like to thank the bbc for inviting l like to thank the bbc for inviting me to share the insights of this important topic. i would also like to present my condolences, firstly, to present my condolences, firstly, to the family of millions of people in ukraine that have lost their loved ones in this war. a lot of sharks, like sharks on the continent, and —— shocks. species

here in the whole of africa, they were already... and then it came at the pandemic. it also amounted... we also used to have the population of 236 million people. they were under acute hunger on the continent. d0 acute hunger on the continent. do ou acute hunger on the continent. do you know, josefa, some people may ask commissioned african countries worry whether grain comes from? is it still 0k to still be buying from russia? some would say that that war machine of theirs being funded. irate machine of theirs being funded. we have machine of theirs being funded. - have in africa, we are a net importer of several commodities. when we don't have an ability to get there, because africa has 60% of the

world's uncultivated land, we have the ecological advantage to plant wheat, so we don't need to import wheat. even if it is russia, france, portugal, we do not need to import. we need to produce in order to create wealth, in order to create it and well—being of populations. i5 create wealth, in order to create it and well—being of populations. is it and well-being of populations. is it fair to say that _ and well—being of populations. is it fair to say that the wonderful african continent has simply been too reliant on a single source? and too reliant on a single source? and talkin: too reliant on a single source? and talking about _ too reliant on a single source? fific talking about russia. we too reliant on a single source? fific talking about russia. we are too reliant on a single source? e'"ic talking about russia. we are not reliant on at the single source, we import wheat and fertiliser elsewhere, it is notjust russia. the bilateral relationship, country by country, but what i'm seeing in the african union policy is to stop this imports, whatever country it is, we should stop importing, we should produce to create jobs,

stability, and business security in our continent.— our continent. josefa, if we 'ust look at the fi our continent. josefa, if we 'ust look at the current i our continent. josefa, if we 'ust look at the current crisis, h our continent. josefa, if we just look at the current crisis, and i our continent. josefa, if we just i look at the current crisis, and the impact on africa from the war in ukraine, how worried are you about social unrest? we know many countries have been rocked. history says that with high food prices... for instance, in the arab spring, recently in sudan, where hybrid prices were a factor in bringing down the government. —— hi bred. that is what we are really worried about, this is the initiative of the africa emergency, free production plan. —— high bread. we need to do something. we cannotjust stay plan. —— high bread. we need to do something. we cannot just stay there and wait until the water stops. let me ask you this because you mentioned the many shocks, i'm just wondering how much of this current crisis is driven by climate change? i would tell you more than 80% is

driven by climate change. more than 80%, because if you look at what is happening now, in the whole of africa, climate change is definitely taking the situation worse. africa is negatively impacted by climate change, even though it is the least emitter of greenhouse gas emissions. we must invest in climate smart agriculture. that is the future. ambassadorjosefa sacko, thank you, i would love to talk to you soon. we continue with the global food crisis and the devastating impact is having on many african nations, with so many of them relying on supplies from russia and ukraine. how can african farmers grow more of what they eat? i have been speaking to they eat? i have been speaking to the big boss of one company who's approach to finance and a canny use of technology are being harnessed by

farmers to help increase the production and make more money. a company based in ghana, west africa, and it has developed a tech platform used by farmers in 33 countries. a real pleasure having you on a show stop can we start with this? let's take you back to how your country started —— company for a starter. it was just you and university friend a few years ago, with 600 bucks. what happens next?— happens next? thank you for having me on. happens next? thank you for having me on- my — happens next? thank you for having me on. my partner, _ happens next? thank you for having me on. my partner, mother - happens next? thank you for having me on. my partner, mother and - happens next? thank you for having me on. my partner, mother and i, l happens next? thank you for having l me on. my partner, mother and i, we me on. my partner, motherand i, we started something, to help farmers make more and grow more money, and this is from expensive growing in famine communities. using very basic technologies that were infinitives hundred years ago, and we realised that the technology, mobile phones, were everywhere, so we decided to

create a platform to help farmers get out to grow and make more money, with training, high quality seeds and fertiliser, and a market that pays them more. to and fertiliser, and a market that pays them more.— and fertiliser, and a market that pays them more. to the uninitiated, me, what pays them more. to the uninitiated, me. what do — pays them more. to the uninitiated, me. what do you — pays them more. to the uninitiated, me, what do you actually _ pays them more. to the uninitiated, me, what do you actually do? - me, what do you actually do? basically the challenge for us is to struggling to access the fertiliser for the farmers, so on the platform, to offer them the training, so for training, a farmer can call from ghana, he can call 399, and it is like 9114 farmers. they can ask a question in the native language. all the information and research has been done. that is supposed to be helping farmers. a lot of them are online, in libraries and in hard copy. we take this and we break it down into 60 seconds of audio as a message that we send to the farmers.

we also help them to get fertilisers and seeds. the challenges around thatis and seeds. the challenges around that is logistics and also access to financing. we can offer them the opportunity to price financially —— financially stably. but when they buy their crops —— when they grow the crop, we buy from them, and we export to india, and china. and the crop, we buy from them, and we export to india, and china.— export to india, and china. and you mention fertiliser, _ export to india, and china. and you mention fertiliser, ghana, - export to india, and china. and you mention fertiliser, ghana, is - export to india, and china. and you mention fertiliser, ghana, is a - export to india, and china. and you mention fertiliser, ghana, is a netl mention fertiliser, ghana, is a net importer of fertiliser from ukraine, so what is the conflict, the war in ukraine, what has it done to the supply of fertiliser? it ukraine, what has it done to the supply of fertiliser?— supply of fertiliser? it made the situation worse, _ supply of fertiliser? it made the situation worse, to _ supply of fertiliser? it made the situation worse, to be _ supply of fertiliser? it made the situation worse, to be honest. l supply of fertiliser? it made the i situation worse, to be honest. but this problem has been there for many years now. let me give you a story. one farmer called rita, she only 0ne farmer called rita, she only cultivates 3% of her farm largely because she is not able to access vitamin c. this was back in 2018.

cultivation has gone down... the situation in ukraine has made it harder, so the price for metric ten in 2020 was $280 per metric tonne. now it is $1000. it is having a massive impact forfarmers. hour now it is $1000. it is having a massive impact for farmers. how can ou hel massive impact for farmers. how can you help farmers _ massive impact for farmers. how can you help farmers afford _ massive impact for farmers. how can you help farmers afford fertiliser? i you help farmers afford fertiliser? if they are already struggling in? flexible financing goes a long way to stop the market today runs on a cash and carry, we deliver in aia to create this method allows us to understand the profile of farmers in groups, and farmers from every business. —— ai. we are able to therefore offer longer financing for them. farmers only need to put 30% of their total deposit of 50% to farmerline, and we help by solving the problem of logistics, we offer

them training for free on how to farm well, how to find the best in the climate, farming practices that are smart, and we buy from them as well. ., r' are smart, and we buy from them as well. . , ., , are smart, and we buy from them as well. . , well. let me ask you this as well, because you _ well. let me ask you this as well, because you are _ well. let me ask you this as well, because you are clearly _ well. let me ask you this as well, because you are clearly a - well. let me ask you this as well, because you are clearly a very - because you are clearly a very intelligent young man, we know that you went to university in ghana, you did a course at stanford university in california, at their business school. many of the farmers you work with, i imagine, won't have had the benefit of that kind of education. i'm wondering, do you find it hard to persuade them that you and your colleagues are on their side? for me -- farmers — colleagues are on their side? for me -- farmers don't _ colleagues are on their side? for me -- farmers don't need _ colleagues are on their side? for me -- farmers don't need a _ colleagues are on their side? for me -- farmers don't need a lot - colleagues are on their side? for me -- farmers don't need a lot of - —— farmers don't need a lot of motivation, they need long—term allies. in most cases, they really have the solution, and know what has to be done, to change their lives, to be done, to change their lives, to produce food, to make more money. they need allies that can help make it happen. that is why it is extremely important for us, to have

local championsin are working with these farmers, i was still with them evenit these farmers, i was still with them even it through the pandemic and the war in ukraine. that is what they want because we are seeing many people come and go, and they want allies, so if you are trying to support farmers, the best thing to do is to listen. listen to what they have to say because these guys have been doing this for over 40 years, they have the solution, theyjust need help to bring the to live and actually scale it, so the best thing to do is to listen, build trust, become an ally and work for them in the long term. fin become an ally and work for them in the long term-— the long term. on positive points, the long term. on positive points, the big boss _ the long term. on positive points, the big boss of— the long term. on positive points, the big boss of farmerline. - the long term. on positive points, the big boss of farmerline. i - the long term. on positive points, | the big boss of farmerline. i really appreciate your time, thank you for joining us and i would love to check in with you soon.— joining us and i would love to check in with you soon. thank you, aaron, look forward — in with you soon. thank you, aaron, look forward to _ in with you soon. thank you, aaron, look forward to staying _ in with you soon. thank you, aaron, look forward to staying in _ in with you soon. thank you, aaron, look forward to staying in touch. - look forward to staying in touch. that is it for this week's show, i hope you enjoy. you can follow me on twitter. thank you for watching. i will see you soon, goodbye.

hello. cooler, fresher conditions are working their way south across the uk. this saturday, the best of the sunshine is to be found across scotland and northern ireland — somewhat of a contrast of the week just gone where we saw a lot of cloud lingering. england and wales sitting under much great skies through the remainder of the saturday with some showery rain sweeping through. that is the boundary between the very hot air to the south of the uk, extending up from spain and france where we have the heatwave conditions at the moment and this cooler air that's trying to work in orfrom the north, so we can draw the line between those two air masses and what have you got? a weather front, and that is what is going to be bearing some rain

as we move through saturday evening. don't take it too literally, however, because yes, it marks the boundary between the two air masses, but because the air is so warm in the southern reaches of the uk as we go into this evening, there is a good chance that we could see some locally sharp showers breaking out even before the front moves through, but certainly through the evening, some wetter weather for the midlands, east anglia, thunderstorms getting into the south—east and into the small hours of sunday, it looks like we will see a focus on the livelier weather, perhaps shifting down towards the channel islands. but the cooler air should get into the majority of the uk by the end of the night. it will still be quite warm and muggy across the channel islands, perhaps the far, far south—east of england, but much fresher for london, and we only had lows in the low 20s into the small hours of saturday. sunday, lots of fine weather on the way for the uk as a whole. there is a low swelling out here in the north sea and that will pick the breeze up for scotland and northern ireland, a few showers here, but there will also be some sunshine. just a question over how much showers will clear the south coast of the uk, through sunday, though. some of the southernmost counties

could see some quite heavy and persistent showers through the course of the day and if anything, we can see them making a resurgence northwards across southern england, as far north as the midlands, parts of east anglia through sunday evening. into the week ahead, as always, low pressure is pretty close to the south of the uk, low pressures try and run in further north, between the two, a ridge of high pressure, so for the majority of the uk, i think, for the week ahead, there will be a lot of fine weather, but the causes of the south coast you are, the greater your chance of picking up some showers and, to the far north—west of the uk, it will be somewhat breezy with some showery outbreaks of rain at times. some warmth returns through the week, but not the heat of recent days.

this is bbc news. the headlines at 4pm... union leaders say that talks trying to prevent rail strikes next week have failed — and the walkouts will go ahead. passengers across the country will be affected. there are so many people struggling, we have to help each other where we can. theyjust want more money. they can hold the country to ransom. the government is to trial a scheme allowing asylum seekers who cross the channel in small boats to be electronically tagged. tens of thousands of people have marched in central london calling on the government to do more to help tackle the cost of living crisis. police in brazil confirm a body found in the remote amazon rainforest is the missing british journalist — dom phillips. (00v)and coming up at 4.30 — russia's foreign minister sergei lavrov speaks to steve rosenberg about russia's invasion of ukraine and the impact of the war on russia's standing in the world.