hello, i'm ros atkins, this is outside source. ghislaine maxwell is about to be sentenced by a judge in the us the us congressional committee investigating january 6th is hearing new former democrat evidence from a former white house staffer. he didn't former white house staffer. he: didn't look up former white house staffer. he didn't look up to his dust from his phone and said something along the lines of, "there's a lot going on, cass, i don't know. things like it really bad onjanuary 6th." —— things might get really bad. ghislaine maxwell is about to be sentenced by a judge in the us for helping her former partner, the paedophilejeffrey epstein, sexually abuse teenage girls. victims say she played

a key role in his crimes. next year... and at least 50 people are known to have died in a truck in texas 250 km from the border with mexico. the white house has described as horrific and heartbreaking. we start in washington — and the congressional hearing into the attack on the us capitol onjanuary 6th, 2021. today is being called a "surprise hearing" — the committee says recently obtained evidence will be presented. today, this woman is at the centre of the proceedings — cassidy hutchinson worked in the white house towards the end of donald trump's presidency. she was an aid to donald trump's chief of staff, mark meadows. let's go right to the hearings and continue to listen in.

well, with impeccable timing just as i went to listen in, it's taken a ten minute recess, we are told. so thatis ten minute recess, we are told. so that is expected to pick up in ten orso that is expected to pick up in ten or so minutes�* time, and when that happens we will bump back in. liz cheney is vice chair of the committee. she spoke about why cassidy hutchinson is an important witness. in her role working for the white house chief of staff, ms hutchinson handled a vast number of sensitive issues. she worked in the west wing several steps down the hall from the oval office. ms hutchinson spoke daily with members of congress, with high—ranking officials in the administration, with senior white house staff — including mr meadows — with white house counsel lawyers, and with mr tony ornato, who served as the white house deputy chief of staff. she also worked on a daily basis

with members of the secret service who were posted in the white house. in short, ms hutchinson was in a position to know a great deal about the happenings in the trump white house. in about nine minutes�* time, cassidy hutchinson will resume her testimony. here was cassidy explaining the conversations she had with mark meadows before january 6th. i found mr meadows in his office on the couch, scrolling through his phone. i remember leaning against the doorway and saying, "is that an interesting conversation with rudy, mark? sounds like we're going to go to the capitol." —— "just had an interesting conversation with rudy, mark." he didn't look up from his phone and said something to the effect of, "there's a lot going on, cass, but i don't know. things may get real, real bad on january 6th." when hearing rudy's take onjanuary 6th and mark's response,

that was the first — that evening was the first moment that i remember feeling scared and nervous for what could happen onjanuary 6th. and i had a deeper concern for what was happening with the planning aspects of it. cassidy hutchinson was also backstage with donald trump on january 6th before he gave this speech to supporters where, as we've discussed many times, at one point he began urging them to converge on the capitol. let's listen to her testimony about what happened then. i was in the vicinity of a conversation where i overheard the president _ conversation where i overheard the president say something to the effect _ president say something to the effect of, "i don't care that they have _ effect of, "i don't care that they have weapons. they're not here to hurt me. _ have weapons. they're not here to hurt me, take that away. let my people _ hurt me, take that away. let my people end, they can march to the capitol— people end, they can march to the capitol from here. take them away." just to— capitol from here. take them away." just to be _ capitol from here. take them away." just to be clear, ms. hutchinson, is

it your understanding that the president wanted to take the mags away so the armed individuals were not there to hurt him?— not there to hurt him? that's a fair assessment _ not there to hurt him? that's a fair assessment. cassidy _ not there to hurt him? that's a fair assessment. cassidy hutchinson i not there to hurt him? that's a fair. assessment. cassidy hutchinson also rela ed a assessment. cassidy hutchinson also relayed a story _ assessment. cassidy hutchinson also relayed a story about _ assessment. cassidy hutchinson also relayed a story about donald - assessment. cassidy hutchinson also relayed a story about donald trump i relayed a story about donald trump is like desperation to head to the capitol to be with his supporters, even to the point where he tried to redirect a car. the even to the point where he tried to redirect a car-— redirect a car. the president said something _ redirect a car. the president said something to _ redirect a car. the president said something to the _ redirect a car. the president said something to the effect - redirect a car. the president said something to the effect of, - redirect a car. the president said something to the effect of, "i'm| redirect a car. the president said i something to the effect of, "i'm the president. _ something to the effect of, "i'm the president, take me up to the capitol nowf' _ president, take me up to the capitol now?�* to— president, take me up to the capitol now." to which bobby responded, "sir, _ now." to which bobby responded, "sir, we _ now." to which bobby responded, "sir, we have to go back to the west wingf' _ "sir, we have to go back to the west wing?�* the _ "sir, we have to go back to the west wing." the president then reached up towards _ wing." the president then reached up towards the _ wing." the president then reached up towards the front of the vehicle to -rab towards the front of the vehicle to grab the _ towards the front of the vehicle to grab the steering wheel. mr ingall grabbed _ grab the steering wheel. mr ingall grabbed his arm and said, "sir, you need _ grabbed his arm and said, "sir, you need to— grabbed his arm and said, "sir, you need to take — grabbed his arm and said, "sir, you need to take your hand off the steering — need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we are going back to the west— steering wheel. we are going back to the west wing. we are not going to the west wing. we are not going to the capitol." mr trump then used his free hand _ the capitol." mr trump then used his free hand to— the capitol." mr trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby ingaii _ free hand to lunge towards bobby ingall. when the story was are

capped — ingall. when the story was are capped dust was recapped to me, he motioned _ capped dust was recapped to me, he motioned towards his callicles. was mr in . all in motioned towards his callicles. was mr ingall in the _ motioned towards his callicles. —" mr ingall in the room as you were told the story? he mr ingall in the room as you were told the story?— mr ingall in the room as you were told the story?- did - mr ingall in the room as you were told the story?- did mr. told the story? he was. did mr inaall told the story? he was. did mr ingall correct _ told the story? he was. did mr ingall correct or— told the story? he was. did mr ingall correct or disagree - told the story? he was. did mr ingall correct or disagree with | told the story? he was. did mr. ingall correct or disagree with any part of the story from mr or an auto? :, . :, . part of the story from mr or an auto? :, _, . :, auto? he did not correct or disagree with any part _ auto? he did not correct or disagree with any part of _ auto? he did not correct or disagree with any part of the _ auto? he did not correct or disagree with any part of the story. _ joining me now is anthony zurcher. this is extraordinary stuff. it is, this is truly _ this is extraordinary stuff. it is, this is truly remarkable - this is extraordinary stuff. it 3 this is truly remarkable testimony. it is providing this january 6th committee with what they didn't have up committee with what they didn't have up until now, which was a first—hand personal, remarkable account of those brought hours before the crowd turned violent on the grounds of the capitol and stormed the building, painting a picture of knowledge of donald trump his staff that there was a potential for violence days before the attack on the capitol. as

you showed there, donald trump knew that members of the crowd near the white house on the morning of january 6th were armed because his secret service was denying their injury to his rally — and yet he directed them to the capitol anyway, and apparently almost tried to wrest control of the limousine driving him back to the white house so he could be there with the crowd. this is all first—hand information from someone who had an office just a few doors down from the oval office and the white house. but down from the oval office and the white house-— down from the oval office and the white house. but is this testimony corroborated _ white house. but is this testimony corroborated by _ white house. but is this testimony corroborated by anyone _ white house. but is this testimony corroborated by anyone else - white house. but is this testimony corroborated by anyone else who l white house. but is this testimony i corroborated by anyone else who was present? hat corroborated by anyone else who was resent? :, , ~ , :, present? not yet. well, the senior members of _ present? not yet. well, the senior members of the _ present? not yet. well, the senior members of the white _ present? not yet. well, the senior members of the white house, - members of the white house, including mark meadows himself, have refused to testify before the committee. in fact, refused to testify before the committee. infact, mark refused to testify before the committee. in fact, mark meadows has been cited with contempt of congress for ignoring congressional subpoenas. so she is the first member of the inner circle, of people who were there onjanuary 6th who is provided some look at donald

trump's behaviour and state of mind in those hours. find trump's behaviour and state of mind in those hours.— in those hours. and do we know why this testimony _ in those hours. and do we know why this testimony is _ in those hours. and do we know why this testimony is emerging - in those hours. and do we know why this testimony is emerging now? - in those hours. and do we know why i this testimony is emerging now? some people might be watching and might be surprised she's not chosen to share this in the months that have followed. it share this in the months that have followed. , , ., followed. it is interesting what her decision was. _ followed. it is interesting what her decision was, the _ followed. it is interesting what her decision was, the thoughts - followed. it is interesting what her decision was, the thoughts behind| decision was, the thoughts behind her decision to come forward with this new information. she did recently switched lawyers from one who had ties to donald trump's white house to someone who had more traditional republican ties. she sat for these depositions earlier in the year, but those took place before the first five hearings and all the attention that was focused on the january 6th attack and the president's behaviour during these hearings. so perhaps that changed her mind. and there's also the potential for criminal liability — the justice department potential for criminal liability — thejustice department is investigating the incidents, the events up untiljanuary 6th and during. there have been reports of new search warrants being issued,

people connected with the white house, advisers to donald trump himself having their phones confiscated by federal investigators. perhaps there's some outside legal pressure on her, as well. :, , :, outside legal pressure on her, as well. :, , ., , :, well. finally, a question about the olitics of well. finally, a question about the politics of this. — well. finally, a question about the politics of this, and _ well. finally, a question about the politics of this, and i _ well. finally, a question about the politics of this, and i lose - well. finally, a question about the politics of this, and i lose track - politics of this, and i lose track of all the years we've talked about how the normal rules of politics don't apply to donald trump — presume we we are seeing the same things with these hearings, that despite some of the fact of the testimony being shocking, it won't necessarily dent the former president's standing amongst his supporters cancelo i think donald trump is back supporters haste supporters cancelo i think donald trump is back supporters have stuck with him through _ trump is back supporters have stuck with him through thick _ trump is back supporters have stuck with him through thick and - with him through thick and thin, with him through thick and thin, with stories that would've seemed outrageous to many. they believe in what donald trump represents and the challenge he presents to the establishment, to the elite in this country. and they will go anywhere. —— won't go anywhere. but we might see your public and winners who want to pick a winner in 2024, this may remind them of all the turmoil in

trump's presidency, and how they lost both chambers of congress and subsequently lost the presidency themselves. they want to win again in 2024, and this may seed some more doubts that donald trump may not be the man to do it. titer? doubts that donald trump may not be the man to do it.— the man to do it. very interesting. anthon , the man to do it. very interesting. anthony, thanks _ the man to do it. very interesting. anthony, thanks very _ the man to do it. very interesting. anthony, thanks very much. -

there to support her were two of her sisters and her brother. but this, so far this morning, this has been a lengthy sentencing procedure as both sides battled out what the appropriate sentence would be. the judge said guidelines went up to at least between is—and—a—half to i9—and—a—half years in prison, but she does have the ability come the discretion to impose a sentence much larger than that, so that is by no means the final sentence for ghislaine maxwell. thejudge also revealed that she will consider two additional victims when it comes to sentencing — virginia roberts giuffrey, prince andrew's accuser who he settled with earlier this year without admitting any wrongdoing and always maintaining his innocence, along with another woman who goes by the name of melissa. so, even though these women were not part of the original case and did not testify, they will be considered victims

here, that will increase ghislaine maxwell's sentence. but this is certainly a major day for the victims, who feel that they have now been vindicated. and it caps off what has been such a high—profile trial followed around the world because of the sordid nature of the crimes, and because of the extreme power and money behind it all. this has certainly been a roller—coaster ride for the victims, as they have fought for decades to getjustice. so they are hoping that this gives them just that — a small piece of closure and accountability. this has been a long, high—profile trial — apologies if you lost sound there for a while, hopefully that is back and fine. this has been a long, high—profile trial — with a number of witnesses. annie farmer is one of them. she testified that when she was 16, maxwell molested and groomed her for abuse byjeffrey epstein — and spoke to the bbc about it.

there's a systemic impact for those people's partners and families, and loved ones, and that's... if you think about all the number of people involved in this, the harm that she caused is almost immeasurable. annie farmer, like dozens of epstein's accusers, is represented by lawyer david boys. he's talked of the concern that after this sentencing the us justice department will consider the epstein case closed. the rich and powerful, and politically connected. whether those people escape justice or not i think is one of the unanswered questions. scotland's first minister, nicola sturgeon, has outlined her plans for a second referendum on independence from the rest of the uk. she told the scottish parliament that a bill will set out how a vote could be held in october next year. that last referendum on independence was held in 2014, with 55% voting against. well, now nicola sturgeon says the question will be the same as the one then —

"should scotland be an independent country?" our scotland editor james cook has more. chanting: yes, yes, yes! no, no, no! scotland 2014, when politics came alive. how dare they say that this country is not capable of running its own affairs? this is everyone's flag, everyone's country, everyone's culture, and everyone's streets. this is the vision we've got for your country. i but should we do this all over again? how does the nation feel about the idea of a second referendum? yeah, i think if there's a public call for it then we should definitely have one and just see what the public thinks. i don't think it's the best idea. yes, go for it, yeah, another one. oh, my god, again? presiding officer... well, yes, if nicola sturgeon has her way. now is the time for independence. the plan is to ask voters, should

scotland be an independent country? to which they said "no" eight years ago. i can announce that the scottish government is proposing that the independent referendum be held on the 19th of october 2023. these are... applause but does this parliament have the power to hold that vote? the first minister now says she wants the supreme court to decide sooner rather than later. the fact is neither legal opinions nor political arguments will resolve this point. we must establish legal fact. that is why, in my view, we must seek now to accelerate to the point when we have legal clarity, legal fact. last time, that wasn't needed. david cameron agreed to hand over the power to hold a vote in 2014. his successor has no such plans. we think the number one priority for the country is the economic pressures, the spikes in the cost of energy. our plan for a stronger economy

certainly means that we think that we're stronger working together. the senior civil servant who helped negotiate the terms of the last referendum says in the end, it won't bejudges who settle the matter. the supreme court can absolutely say there's no mechanism to consult- the scottish people on independence without westminster's consent - and plenty of people, - plenty of experts expect that will be their verdict. ultimately, there is some law- to come first, and then there's some pretty raw politics about the nature of the country we live in, _ the nature of scotland's position within the uk, i the nature of its right to choose its own constitutional future. i just across the road from the parliament, the british state was putting on a show this afternoon. nicola sturgeon may want to keep the monarchy, but she's trying again to end the 300—year—old political project which is the united kingdom.

let's switch back to washington now, because that congressional hearing into the storming of the capitol on january 6th last year continues. this is congresswoman liz cheney, air publican, talking in the middle of testimony by an aide who worked for donald trump's chief of staff, mark meadows.— mark meadows. president trump ardoned mark meadows. president trump pardoned him — mark meadows. president trump pardoned him just _ mark meadows. president trump pardoned him just after- mark meadows. president trump pardoned him just after the - mark meadows. president trump i pardoned him just after the general election. and injuly 2020, he commuted the sentence roger stone was to serve. the night before january 6th, donald trump instructed his chief of staff, mark meadows, to contact both roger stone and michael flynn regarding what would play out the next day. miss hutchinson, is it your understanding that donald trump asked mark meadows to speak with

roger stone in general flynn on january five?— roger stone in general flynn on january five? that is correct, that is my understanding. _ january five? that is correct, that is my understanding. is _ january five? that is correct, that is my understanding. is it - january five? that is correct, that is my understanding. is it your. is my understanding. is it your understanding _ is my understanding. is it your understanding that _ is my understanding. is it your understanding that mr - is my understanding. is it your. understanding that mr meadows is my understanding. is it your- understanding that mr meadows called mr stone on the fifth? i am understanding that mr meadows called mr stone on the fifth?— mr stone on the fifth? i am under the impression _ mr stone on the fifth? i am under the impression that _ mr stone on the fifth? i am under the impression that mr _ mr stone on the fifth? i am under the impression that mr meadows | mr stone on the fifth? i am under. the impression that mr meadows did complete _ the impression that mr meadows did complete both calls to mr stone and general— complete both calls to mr stone and general flynn the evening of the fifth _ general flynn the evening of the fifth. : :, , :, general flynn the evening of the fifth. : :, i. ~ :, ., , fifth. and do you know what they talk about that _ fifth. and do you know what they talk about that evening? - fifth. and do you know what they talk about that evening? i'm - fifth. and do you know what they talk about that evening? i'm not | talk about that evening? i'm not sure. is talk about that evening? i'm not sure- is it _ talk about that evening? i'm not sure. is it your— talk about that evening? i'm not sure. is it your understanding i talk about that evening? i'm not i sure. is it your understanding that mr giuliani, _ sure. is it your understanding that mr giuliani, mr _ sure. is it your understanding that mr giuliani, mr eastman, - sure. is it your understanding that mr giuliani, mr eastman, and i sure. is it your understanding that i mr giuliani, mr eastman, and others had set up what has been called" a war room" on the night of the fifth? i was aware of that the night of the fifth _ i was aware of that the night of the fifth. do— i was aware of that the night of the fifth. ,:, , :, i was aware of that the night of the fifth. i. ~ :, ~ i was aware of that the night of the fifth. ~ :, ~ ~ ., :, , fifth. do you know if mr meadows ever intended _ fifth. do you know if mr meadows ever intended to _ fifth. do you know if mr meadows ever intended to go _ fifth. do you know if mr meadows ever intended to go to _ fifth. do you know if mr meadows ever intended to go to the - fifth. do you know if mr meadows j ever intended to go to the willard hotel on the night of the fifth? mr meadows had a conversation with me where _ meadows had a conversation with me where he _ meadows had a conversation with me where he wanted me to work with secret _ where he wanted me to work with secret service on a movement in the white _ secret service on a movement in the white house so he could attend the meeting. _ white house so he could attend the meeting, or meetings with mr giuliani — meeting, or meetings with mr giuliani and his associates in the

war room — giuliani and his associates in the war room-— giuliani and his associates in the war room. : :, .,, i. .,, war room. and what was your view as to whether or — war room. and what was your view as to whether or not _ war room. and what was your view as to whether or not mr _ war room. and what was your view as to whether or not mr meadows i war room. and what was your view as| to whether or not mr meadows should go to the willard that night? i had go to the willard that night? i had made it clear _ go to the willard that night? i had made it clear to _ go to the willard that night? i had made it clear to mr _ go to the willard that night? i had made it clear to mr meadows that i didn't— made it clear to mr meadows that i didn't believe it was a smart idea for him _ didn't believe it was a smart idea for him to— didn't believe it was a smart idea for him to go to the willard hotel that night. i wasn't sure everything that night. iwasn't sure everything that was— that night. i wasn't sure everything that was going on at the willard hotei, — that was going on at the willard hotel, though i knew enough about what mr— hotel, though i knew enough about what mr giuliani and his associates were _ what mr giuliani and his associates were pushing during this period. i didn't— were pushing during this period. i didn't think it was something appropriate for the white house chief— appropriate for the white house chief of— appropriate for the white house chief of staff to attend or to consider involvement in. i made that clear to mr— consider involvement in. i made that clear to mr meadows. throughout the afternoon _ clear to mr meadows. throughout the afternoon he mentioned a few more times— afternoon he mentioned a few more times going up to the willard hotel that evening, and then eventually dropped _ that evening, and then eventually dropped the subject the night of the fifth so _ dropped the subject the night of the fifth so he would dial in instead. so general flynn has appeared before this committee, and when he appeared

before our committee, he took the fifth. let's briefly review a clip of general mike flynn taking the fifth amendment. general flynn, do you believe the violence onjanuary 6th was justified? laughter

attack. for context in during the attack. for context in this clip, you described the timeframe starting at about 2pm. i

timeframe starting at about 2pm. i remember mark being in his office for quite _ remember mark being in his office for quite some time. i know we've spoken— for quite some time. i know we've spoken about him going at one point, i spoken about him going at one point, i don't _ spoken about him going at one point, i don't personally member been going in, i i don't personally member been going in. i don't _ i don't personally member been going in, i don't doubt he went in. i in, idon't doubt he went in. i remember— in, i don't doubt he went in. i remember him being alone in his office _ remember him being alone in his office for— remember him being alone in his office for most of the afternoon. around — office for most of the afternoon. around 2pm to 2:05pm, we were watching _ around 2pm to 2:05pm, we were watching the tv and i could see the writers _ watching the tv and i could see the writers were getting closer and closer— writers were getting closer and closer to — writers were getting closer and closer to the capitol. mark still hadn't — closer to the capitol. mark still hadn't popped out of his office or said anything about it. so that's when _ said anything about it. so that's when i — said anything about it. so that's when i went into his office and saw that he _ when i went into his office and saw that he was— when i went into his office and saw that he was sitting on his couch on his celi— that he was sitting on his couch on his cell phone. same as the morning, he was _ his cell phone. same as the morning, he wasjust_ his cell phone. same as the morning, he wasjust scrolling his cell phone. same as the morning, he was just scrolling and typing. i said, _ he was just scrolling and typing. i said. "hey, — he was just scrolling and typing. i said, "hey, are you watching the tv, chief?" _ said, "hey, are you watching the tv, chief?" i_ said, "hey, are you watching the tv, chief?" i didn't know if he was really— chief?" i didn't know if he was really paying attention. he said,

"yeah" — really paying attention. he said, "yeah." "the writers are getting really _ "yeah." "the writers are getting really close, have you talked to the president?" — really close, have you talked to the president?" "no, he wants to be alone _ president?" "no, he wants to be alone right — president?" "no, he wants to be alone right now," still on his phone — alone right now," still on his phone so _ alone right now," still on his phone. so i start to get frustrated because _ phone. so i start to get frustrated because i— phone. so i start to get frustrated because i sort of felt like i was watching... this is not a great comparison, but a bad car accident i was about— comparison, but a bad car accident i was about to — comparison, but a bad car accident i was about to happen where you can't stop it. _ was about to happen where you can't stop it. but _ was about to happen where you can't stop it, but you want to be able to do something. i rememberthinking in that moment, "mark needs to snap out of this— that moment, "mark needs to snap out of this and _ that moment, "mark needs to snap out of this and i_ that moment, "mark needs to snap out of this and i don't know how to snap out of— of this and i don't know how to snap out of -- _ of this and i don't know how to snap out of —— snap him out of this, he needs— out of —— snap him out of this, he needs to — out of —— snap him out of this, he needs to care." i blurted out, "do you know— needs to care." i blurted out, "do you know where jim's at right now?" "he was— you know where jim's at right now?" "he was on— you know where jim's at right now?" "he was on the floor a little bit a-o "he was on the floor a little bit ago giving _ "he was on the floor a little bit ago giving a speech, did you listen?" _ ago giving a speech, did you listen?" he said, "yeah, it was real good, _ listen?" he said, "yeah, it was real good, did _ listen?" he said, "yeah, it was real good, did you — listen?" he said, "yeah, it was real good, did you like it?" "yeah, did you know— good, did you like it?" "yeah, did

you know where he was at? you might want to— you know where he was at? you might want to check— you know where he was at? you might want to check in with him, mark, and i want to check in with him, mark, and i pointed at _ want to check in with him, mark, and i pointed at the tv and said, "the rioters _ i pointed at the tv and said, "the rioters are — i pointed at the tv and said, "the rioters are getting close, they might— rioters are getting close, they might get in." he looks at me and says something to the effect of, i'll says something to the effect of, ill go— says something to the effect of, ill go att— says something to the effect of, i'll go all right, i'll give him a caii~" — i'll go all right, i'll give him a call." :, :, i'll go all right, i'll give him a call." ., :, ., i'll go all right, i'll give him a call." :, :, :, :, , call." not long after the rioters broke into _ call." not long after the rioters broke into the _ call." not long after the rioters broke into the capitol, - call." not long after the rioters broke into the capitol, you i call." not long after the rioters i broke into the capitol, you describe what happened with the white house council. h0 what happened with the white house council. :, :, ., ., council. no more than a minute, minute and _ council. no more than a minute, minute and a — council. no more than a minute, minute and a half _ council. no more than a minute, minute and a half later, - council. no more than a minute, minute and a half later, i - council. no more than a minute, minute and a half later, i see i council. no more than a minute, | minute and a half later, i see pat barreling down the hallway towards our office — barreling down the hallway towards our office. he rushed right in, iooked — our office. he rushed right in, looked at _ our office. he rushed right in, looked at me and said, "is mark in his office?" — looked at me and said, "is mark in his office?" i— looked at me and said, "is mark in his office?" i said yes. he looked at me _ his office?" i said yes. he looked at me and — his office?" i said yes. he looked at me and just started shaking his head, _ at me and just started shaking his head. and — at me and just started shaking his head, and opened mark's office door, stood _ head, and opened mark's office door, stood there _ head, and opened mark's office door, stood there with the door propped open _ stood there with the door propped open and — stood there with the door propped open and said something to the effect _ open and said something to the effect - — open and said something to the effect — mark was still glancing at his phone, — effect — mark was still glancing at his phone, i remember him still giancing — his phone, i remember him still glancing at his phone, and a member pat saying _ glancing at his phone, and a member pat saying to him something to the

effect _ pat saying to him something to the effect of. _ pat saying to him something to the effect of, "the rioters have gotten to the _ effect of, "the rioters have gotten to the capitol, mark, we need to see the president now." mark looked up at him _ the president now." mark looked up at him and — the president now." mark looked up at him and said, "he doesn't want to do anything. — at him and said, "he doesn't want to do anything, pat." and pat said something to the effect of, and very clearly— something to the effect of, and very clearly said — something to the effect of, and very clearly said this to mark, something to the _ clearly said this to mark, something to the effect of, "mark, something is to be _ to the effect of, "mark, something is to be done or people will die and the blood _ is to be done or people will die and the blood will be on your hands. this is— the blood will be on your hands. this is getting out of control, i'm going _ this is getting out of control, i'm going down there." at that point, mark— going down there." at that point, mark stood up from his couch, both bones— mark stood up from his couch, both bones in— mark stood up from his couch, both bones in his — mark stood up from his couch, both bones in his hands, he had his glasses— bones in his hands, he had his glasses on _ bones in his hands, he had his glasses on. so he walked out with pat, putting both his phones on my desk said. — pat, putting both his phones on my desk said, "let me know ifjim caiis" — desk said, "let me know ifjim caiis" they— desk said, "let me know ifjim calls." they then went down to the dining _ calls." they then went down to the dining room. a calls." they then went down to the dining room-— dining room. a few minutes later, representative _ dining room. a few minutes later, representative jordan _ dining room. a few minutes later, representative jordan called i dining room. a few minutes later, | representative jordan called back. dining room. a few minutes later, i representative jordan called back. a couple minutes later, so likely around — couple minutes later, so likely around between 2:15pm and 2:25pm, i

know that _ around between 2:15pm and 2:25pm, i know that we went out to 20 4pm, i don't _ know that we went out to 20 4pm, i don't know— know that we went out to 20 4pm, i don't know if— know that we went out to 20 4pm, i don't know if i was there when the tweet— don't know if i was there when the tweet went — don't know if i was there when the tweet went out —— 220 4pm. i guess jim knew— tweet went out —— 220 4pm. i guess jim knew it— tweet went out —— 220 4pm. i guess jim knew it was me, i don't member if he called — jim knew it was me, i don't member if he called my cell phone or if he had called — if he called my cell phone or if he had called one of mark's. i answered the phone _ had called one of mark's. i answered the phone and said, "one second, i'll the phone and said, "one second, ill go— the phone and said, "one second, ill go hand — the phone and said, "one second, i'll go hand it to mark." i went down — i'll go hand it to mark." i went down and _ i'll go hand it to mark." i went down and ask for the valet if mark was in _ down and ask for the valet if mark was in the — down and ask for the valet if mark was in the dining room, the valet said yes — was in the dining room, the valet said yes i— was in the dining room, the valet said yes. i opened the door to the dining _ said yes. i opened the door to the dining room, briefly stepped in to -et dining room, briefly stepped in to get mark's— dining room, briefly stepped in to get mark's attention, showed him the phone _ get mark's attention, showed him the phone so— get mark's attention, showed him the phone so he _ get mark's attention, showed him the phone so he could say it. jim jordan stepped _ phone so he could say it. jim jordan stepped to— phone so he could say it. jim jordan stepped to where i was holding the door open, took the phone talking to the gym _ door open, took the phone talking to the gym with the door propped open. so i the gym with the door propped open. so i took— the gym with the door propped open. so i took a _ the gym with the door propped open. so i took a few steps back as talking to _ so i took a few steps back as talking tojim. i was two so i took a few steps back as talking to jim. i was two feet from mark, _ talking to jim. i was two feet from mark, he — talking to jim. i was two feet from mark, he was standing in the hallway

going _ mark, he was standing in the hallway going into _ mark, he was standing in the hallway going into the oval office dining room _ going into the oval office dining room. they had a brief conversation in the _ room. they had a brief conversation in the crossfire is, i heard briefly what _ in the crossfire is, i heard briefly what they— in the crossfire is, i heard briefly what they were talking about. in the background, i had heard conversations at that point talking about _ conversations at that point talking about the — conversations at that point talking about the "hang mike pence" chance. the clip _ about the "hang mike pence" chance. the clip ended with you saying you heard the president, mr meadows and the white house council the chance to hang mike pence. then you describe what happened next. it describe what happened next. it wasn't until mark hung up the phone, handed _ wasn't until mark hung up the phone, handed it _ wasn't until mark hung up the phone, handed it back to me — i went back to my— handed it back to me — i went back to my desk— handed it back to me — i went back to my desk a — handed it back to me — i went back to my desk a couple minutes later, he impact — to my desk a couple minutes later, he impact went back, i'm pretty sure eric kershner was there. but i'm confident— eric kershner was there. but i'm confident it _ eric kershner was there. but i'm confident it was pat that was there.

a pat— confident it was pat that was there. a pat saying something to the effect of, a pat saying something to the effect of. "mark. _ a pat saying something to the effect of, "mark, we need to do something more _ of, "mark, we need to do something more they— of, "mark, we need to do something more. they are literally calling for the vice _ more. they are literally calling for the vice president to be hung." and mark— the vice president to be hung." and mark responded something to the effect _ mark responded something to the effect of. — mark responded something to the effect of, "you heard it, pat, he think— effect of, "you heard it, pat, he think mike — effect of, "you heard it, pat, he think mike deserves it, he doesn't think— think mike deserves it, he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong." to which— think they're doing anything wrong." to which pat said, "this is crazy, we need — to which pat said, "this is crazy, we need to— to which pat said, "this is crazy, we need to do something more," briefly— we need to do something more," briefly stepping into mark's office. when _ briefly stepping into mark's office. when mark said something to the effect _ when mark said something to the effect of— when mark said something to the effect of "he doesn't think they are doing _ effect of "he doesn't think they are doing anything wrong," knowing what i had doing anything wrong," knowing what i had heard _ doing anything wrong," knowing what i had heard briefly in the dining room. — i had heard briefly in the dining room, coupled with pat discussing the "hang — room, coupled with pat discussing the "hang mike pence" chance in the lobby— the "hang mike pence" chance in the lobby of— the "hang mike pence" chance in the lobby of our— the "hang mike pence" chance in the lobby of our office and mark's response, i understood they are to be the _ response, i understood they are to be the writers in the capitol that were _ be the writers in the capitol that were chanting for the vice president to be _ were chanting for the vice president to be hung —— the rioters succulent let me _ to be hung —— the rioters succulent let me pause — to be hung —— the rioters succulent let me pause here on this point —

the rioters — let me pause here on this point - the rioters— the rioters chanted "hang mike pence," the rioters chanted "hang mike pence." and — the rioters chanted "hang mike pence," and the _ the rioters chanted "hang mike pence," and the president i the rioters chanted "hang mike pence," and the president of i the rioters chanted "hang mike i pence," and the president of the united states, donald trump, said, "mike deserves it," and that those rioters were not doing anything wrong. this is a sentiment he is expressed at other times as well, in an interview with abc news correspondentjonathan carl. correspondent jonathan carl. president correspondentjonathan carl. president trump was asked about the supporters hanging "hang mike pence" last year. instead of condemning them, the former president defended them. president trump's view that the writers — president trump's view that the writers were _ president trump's view that the writers were not _ president trump's view that the writers were not doing - president trump's view that the writers were not doing anything j writers were not doing anything wrong, — writers were not doing anything wrong, and _ writers were not doing anything wrong, and that, _ writers were not doing anything wrong, and that, "mike - writers were not doing anything i wrong, and that, "mike deserved it" helps us to understand why the president did not ask the rioters to

leave the capitalfor president did not ask the rioters to leave the capital for multiple hours. in fact, leave the capital for multiple hours. infact, he leave the capital for multiple hours. in fact, he put this tweet out at 2:24pm. miss hutchinson, do you recall seeing this tweet in which the president said the vice president did not have the courage to do what needed to be done? i do did not have the courage to do what needed to be done?— needed to be done? i do succulent ms. hutchinson, _ needed to be done? i do succulent ms. hutchinson, what _ needed to be done? i do succulent ms. hutchinson, what was - needed to be done? i do succulent ms. hutchinson, what was your i ms. hutchinson, what was your reaction — ms. hutchinson, what was your reaction when you saw this tweet? as a staffer— reaction when you saw this tweet? as a staffer that works to always represent the administration to the best of— represent the administration to the best of my— represent the administration to the best of my ability, and to showcase the things— best of my ability, and to showcase the things that he had done for this country— the things that he had done for this country -- — the things that he had done for this country —— the good things, i remember feeling frustrated, disappointed, and it really felt personal. i was really sad. as an american. — personal. i was really sad. as an american. i_ personal. i was really sad. as an

american, i was disgusted. it was unpatriotic, — american, i was disgusted. it was unpatriotic, un—american. we were watching _ unpatriotic, un—american. we were watching the capitol building get defaced over a lie. and it was something that was really hard in that moment to digest, knowing what i had that moment to digest, knowing what i had been _ that moment to digest, knowing what i had been hearing down the hall in the conversations that were happening. seeing that tweet come up and knowing what was happening on the hilt— and knowing what was happening on the hilt - _ and knowing what was happening on the hill — and it's something that i still struggle to work through, the emotions — still struggle to work through, the emotions of that. we have also spoken to multiple other white house staff to their reaction to president's to 20 4pm it to eat condemning mike pence for not having the courage. a former marine

intelligence officer was surfing the white house for four years, including as deputy national security adviser, was in the vicinity of the oval office at various points throughout the day. when he saw that tweets, he immediately decided to resign his position. let's watch him describe his reaction to the president's tweet. :, , , ., , his reaction to the president's tweet. :, , , , :, ., tweet. one of my staff brought me a rintout of tweet. one of my staff brought me a printout of my _ tweet. one of my staff brought me a printout of my tweet _ tweet. one of my staff brought me a printout of my tweet by _ tweet. one of my staff brought me a printout of my tweet by the - printout of my tweet by the president _ printout of my tweet by the president. and _ printout of my tweet by the president. and the - printout of my tweet by the president. and the tweet i printout of my tweet by the i president. and the tweet said something _ president. and the tweet said something to _ president. and the tweet said something to the _ president. and the tweet said something to the effect - president. and the tweet said something to the effect that i president. and the tweet said i something to the effect that mike pence _ something to the effect that mike pence didn't — something to the effect that mike pence didn't have _ something to the effect that mike pence didn't have the _ something to the effect that mike pence didn't have the courage i something to the effect that mike pence didn't have the courage toi something to the effect that mike i pence didn't have the courage to do what should — pence didn't have the courage to do what should have _ pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been _ pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. - pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. i- pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. i readj what should have been done. i read that tweet — what should have been done. i read that tweet and _ what should have been done. i read that tweet and made _ what should have been done. i read that tweet and made a _ what should have been done. i read that tweet and made a decision i what should have been done. i read that tweet and made a decision at l that tweet and made a decision at that tweet and made a decision at that moment _ that tweet and made a decision at that moment to _ that tweet and made a decision at that moment to resign. _ that tweet and made a decision at that moment to resign. to - that tweet and made a decision at that moment to resign. to that'sl that tweet and made a decision atj that moment to resign. to that's i was leaving —

that moment to resign. to that's i was leaving that _ that moment to resign. to that's i was leaving that day, _ that moment to resign. to that's i was leaving that day, once - that moment to resign. to that's i was leaving that day, once i- that moment to resign. to that's i was leaving that day, once i readl was leaving that day, once i read that tweet~ — was leaving that day, once i read that tweet-— was leaving that day, once i read that tweet. let's come away from that tweet. let's come away from that congressional _ that tweet. let's come away from that congressional hearing - that tweet. let's come away from that congressional hearing on i that tweet. let's come away from that congressional hearing on thej that congressional hearing on the storming of the capitol building to bring you some breaking news because ghislaine maxwell, the former socialites, has been sentenced to 20 years in prison for helping build the pleater file jeffrey years in prison for helping build the pleater filejeffrey epstein sexually abused teenage girls. ghislaine maxwell has been sentenced to 20 years in prison, she had faced six charges, she was found guilty of five of them, and that has now laid to a sentence of 20 years. it is also worth passing on that ghislaine maxwell has apologised to the victims of her abuses and said she hopes her sentencing will allow them peace and finality. it's an interesting phrase, because earlier we heard from a lawyer who has represented many of the alleged victims ofjeffrey epstein, who said that he and those victims were

concerned that perhaps this sentence would give the department ofjustice a reason to think the investigations into epstein's crimes had been completed. we go to our correspondence, what have we heard in court? the correspondence, what have we heard in court? , . correspondence, what have we heard in court? , : , ., ., in court? the sentencing began a few hours aao, in court? the sentencing began a few hours ago. the _ in court? the sentencing began a few hours ago, the hearing, _ in court? the sentencing began a few hours ago, the hearing, it _ in court? the sentencing began a few hours ago, the hearing, it took i in court? the sentencing began a few hours ago, the hearing, it took us i hours ago, the hearing, it took us some time to get here because there were lots of technical details to get through and then we started hearing the victims�* statements. it wasn�*tjust hearing the victims�* statements. it wasn�*t just the women hearing the victims�* statements. it wasn�*tjust the women at hearing the victims�* statements. it wasn�*t just the women at the hearing the victims�* statements. it wasn�*tjust the women at the centre of the trial, four women gave evidence in the trial last year and they talked about how, when they were teenage girls between the years of 1994 and 2004, they were abused byjeffrey epstein and ghislaine maxwell. thejudge byjeffrey epstein and ghislaine maxwell. the judge also byjeffrey epstein and ghislaine maxwell. thejudge also heard byjeffrey epstein and ghislaine maxwell. the judge also heard victim impact statements from other women as well, and we did hearfrom impact statements from other women as well, and we did hear from the british accuser kate, who went by

kate, a student, who made an appointment in her statement to say ghislaine maxwell did not take any responsibility and that was the final insult. she referred to this comment made by glenn maxwell�*s siblings in a plea to the judge for leniency saying that because ghislaine mansell has an abusive father, herfatherwas ghislaine mansell has an abusive father, her father was the ghislaine mansell has an abusive father, herfather was the infamous media mogul robert maxwell who died in 1991, that was she was vulnerable and that�*s how she went on to have this friendship with jeffrey epstein, who have used her. they tried to portray her as a victim as well. but this victims statement said, this does not excuse trafficking of minors, she�*s not sorry and she would do it again. the judge summarised the cases of several victims saying jeffrey epstein and ghislaine maxwell used a playbook over the years and the result was incalculable damage to the victims and the sentence must

reflect that, it is a substantial sentence, 20 years, that was what was being recommended by probation officials. ghislaine maxwell is 60 years old, so this is, just to mention the other sentencing that was possible, up to 55 years in prison, that�*s what prosecutors wanted, her own defence wanted 5.25 years, but the chargers returned a verdict of 20 years for a ghislaine maxwell. in verdict of 20 years for a ghislaine maxwell. . :, verdict of 20 years for a ghislaine maxwell. : :, :, verdict of 20 years for a ghislaine maxwell. . :, :, ,, maxwell. in the context of the us 'ustice maxwell. in the context of the us justice system. — maxwell. in the context of the us justice system, how _ maxwell. in the context of the us justice system, how long - maxwell. in the context of the us justice system, how long will- maxwell. in the context of the us justice system, how long will it i justice system, how long will it expect someone to serve if sentence for 20 years? we expect someone to serve if sentence for 20 years?— expect someone to serve if sentence for 20 years? we have not been given full details of — for 20 years? we have not been given full details of that _ for 20 years? we have not been given full details of that at _ for 20 years? we have not been given full details of that at the _ for 20 years? we have not been given full details of that at the moment, i full details of that at the moment, but as i said, thejudge did say that she wanted this sentence to reflect the severity of the case, and she also dismissed the suggestion that ghislaine maxwell�*s defence team suggested that she was a proxied, that she was being punished because jeffrey

a proxied, that she was being punished becausejeffrey epstein was no longer here. he killed himself in jail three years ago, she was arrested by the fbi two years ago, and ghislaine maxwell and her defence of always maintained right to the end that she did not know what he was up to, that she lived a separate life. but that was rejected by the judge when she handed down the sentence. by the judge when she handed down the sentence-— by the judge when she handed down the sentence. thank you very much. we brina the sentence. thank you very much. we bring into _ the sentence. thank you very much. we bring into breaking _ the sentence. thank you very much. we bring into breaking years - the sentence. thank you very much. we bring into breaking years are i we bring into breaking years are ghislaine maxwell has been sentenced to 20 years in prison. she has also in a statement apologised to the victims of her abuses and so she hopes her sentencing will allow them peace and finality. let�*s hear from a correspondence on the life of ghislaine maxwell in the crime she has been convicted of. ghislaine max will run at the most influential circles, rubbing elbows with presidents and princes, all what she preyed on minors and groom them for

abuse by her associate, the paedophilejeffrey epstein. her paedophile jeffrey epstein. her victims paedophilejeffrey epstein. her victims were in new york to witness one of the most dramatic chapters of her downfall as her life of luxury was officially replaced by a life in prison. this women�*s testimony helped secure the conviction. she read out a prepared statement to the court, which she shared in advance with upvc. she explained how the victims will continue to live with the memories of the ways maxwell harmed them. the memories of the ways maxwell harmed them-— the memories of the ways maxwell harmed them. , : , ., :, harmed them. these crimes have not only impacted — harmed them. these crimes have not only impacted the _ harmed them. these crimes have not only impacted the individuals - harmed them. these crimes have not only impacted the individuals that i only impacted the individuals that experienced them but there is a systemic impact for those peoples�* partners, families and loved ones and if you think about the number of people involved in theirs, the harm she caused some summons the measurable. she caused some summons the measurable-— she caused some summons the measurable. . :, , , measurable. prosecutors said mansell to utter lack of — measurable. prosecutors said mansell to utter lack of remorse _ measurable. prosecutors said mansell to utter lack of remorse for— measurable. prosecutors said mansell to utter lack of remorse for her- to utter lack of remorse for her crimes. lawyers continue to portray her as a scapegoat for the late epstein who died on unusual circumstances in prison in 2019. in

an attempt to lighten her so sentence, this is the british daughter of the disgraced media tycoon robert maxwell had a traumatic childhood. described her father is overbearing, narcissistic and demanding, claiming it makes her vulnerable to epstein. the courts allow to others who are not part of the trial to also confront maxwell. she had a wonderful, full, beautiful life and so many of us just didn�*t have a chance to have that. i think that the closure of part of her sentencing is maybe the beginning for a lot of us to start having the life that we anticipated we might haveif life that we anticipated we might have if we never met ghislaine maxwell and jeffrey epstein. ghislaine maxwell�*s sentencing is a significant step towards justice. still, this woman says victims want

more information, including the identities of others involved in the sex trafficking operation. if they don�*t get them, she says this will feel like a hollow victory. breaking news, ghislaine maxwell has been sentenced to 20 years in prison for the crimes she was convicted of several months back. she has also apologised to the victims of her abuses in the statement and says she hopes her sentence will provide them with the peace and finality. we will provide reaction to that sentencing in the coming minutes but let�*s calm back to the us and another very important story because the congressional hearings of the storming of the capitol on january six last year are continuing to hear from cassidy hutchison, a former aide to the then chief of staff mark meadows, who worked within the trump presidency, and cassidy hutchison is describing the days running up to january the 6th and the day itself.

there is a portion of the video that president trump reported from the white house. brute president trump reported from the white house-— president trump reported from the white house. ~ ., :, ., , white house. we have to have peace. so no white house. we have to have peace. so go home. — white house. we have to have peace. so go home. we _ white house. we have to have peace. so go home, we love _ white house. we have to have peace. so go home, we love you, _ white house. we have to have peace. so go home, we love you, you're i white house. we have to have peace. so go home, we love you, you're veryj so go home, we love you, you're very special, _ so go home, we love you, you're very special. you've — so go home, we love you, you're very special, you've seen what happens, the way— special, you've seen what happens, the way others are treated, that are so bad _ the way others are treated, that are so bad and — the way others are treated, that are so bad and so evil, i know how you feel _ so bad and so evil, i know how you feel but _ so bad and so evil, i know how you feel but go — so bad and so evil, i know how you feel. but go home and go home in peace _ feel. but go home and go home in eace. �* . , feel. but go home and go home in eace. �* :,, , :, ., peace. but as we will show an even creater peace. but as we will show an even greater detail _ peace. but as we will show an even greater detail in _ peace. but as we will show an even greater detail in future _ peace. but as we will show an even greater detail in future hearings, i greater detail in future hearings, donald trump was reluctant to put this message out. and he still could not bring himself to condemn the attack. ms hutchinson has told us that too. ~ ~ attack. ms hutchinson has told us thattoo. ~ ,, ,. ,, attack. ms hutchinson has told us thattoo. ~ ,, ,: ,, , :, that too. week discuss it, 'ust to elaborate further, i i that too. week discuss it, 'ust to elaborate further, i recalli that too. week discuss it, just to elaborate further, i recall him i elaborate further, i recall him being — elaborate further, i recall him being reluctant to film the video on the sixth _ being reluctant to film the video on the sixth i— being reluctant to film the video on the sixth. i was not involved in any of the _ the sixth. i was not involved in any of the logistics of planning for that video, just remember the video

io that video, just remember the video go out _ that video, just remember the video go out and _ that video, just remember the video go out and it being a little shocked after it _ go out and it being a little shocked after it went out. an go out and it being a little shocked after it went out.— after it went out. an evening of january to _ after it went out. an evening of january to sixth _ after it went out. an evening of january to sixth in _ after it went out. an evening of january to sixth in the - after it went out. an evening of january to sixth in the day i after it went out. an evening of| january to sixth in the day after, the president�*s family and senior staff and others try to encourage the president to condemn the violence and commit to the peaceful transition of power. 3:31pm on january the 6th, john hannity of fox news texted mark meadows.

january the 6th, john hannity of fox news texted me by vieadows. of being discussed by members of president�*s cabinet as a way of stripping the full power of the presidency from donald trump. president trump�*s supporters were worried. in addition to the treaty sent mark meadows after attack, sean hannity spoke with president trump and warned him about what could happen. we understand that this text message that sean hannity sent to kayleigh mceneaney onjanuary message that sean hannity sent to kayleigh mceneaney on january the 7th shows what mr hannity sent to the president. first...

ms hutchinson, you told us that you are hearing about discussions related to the 25th amendment. here as part are hearing about discussions related to the 25th amendment. here as part of are hearing about discussions related to the 25th amendment. here as part of what are hearing about discussions related to the 25th amendment. here as part of what you are hearing about discussions related to the 25th amendment. here as part of what you said. are hearing about discussions related to the 25th amendment. here as part of what you said. mr are hearing about discussions related to the 25th amendment. here as part of what you said. mr trump reached out _ as part of what you said. mr trump reached out to _ as part of what you said. mr trump reached out to have _ as part of what you said. mr trump reached out to have a _ as part of what you said. mr trump reached out to have a conversation j reached out to have a conversation with mr _ reached out to have a conversation with mr meadows in case you didn't hear the _ with mr meadows in case you didn't hear the discussions amongst the cabinet _ hear the discussions amongst the cabinet secretaries. from what i understand, it was more of, from what i understand, it was more of. this— from what i understand, it was more of. this is— from what i understand, it was more of, this is what i'm hearing, if it were _ of, this is what i'm hearing, if it were you — of, this is what i'm hearing, if it were you to— of, this is what i'm hearing, if it were you to be aware of it but it is also worth — were you to be aware of it but it is also worth putting on your radar because — also worth putting on your radar because you are technically the boss among _ because you are technically the boss among the _ because you are technically the boss among the cabinet secretaries and the conversation progressed and said you should _ the conversation progressed and said you should be ready to take action on this. _ you should be ready to take action on this. i'm — you should be ready to take action on this, i'm concerned for you and your— on this, i'm concerned for you and your positioning with this. he asked me if— your positioning with this. he asked me if i_ your positioning with this. he asked me if i had — your positioning with this. he asked me if i had any questions.— me if i had any questions. inside the white house, _ me if i had any questions. inside the white house, the _ me if i had any questions. inside the white house, the presidentl me if i had any questions. ii�*us re the white house, the president ranks as market fighters, including members of his family, wanted him to deliver a speech to the country.

deputy white house counsel pat philbin prepared to first after what be the president from�*s marks a national healing, delivered by a pretaped of video and january the 7th. when he arrived at the white house on the seventh, mr philbin believe that more needed to be said, so he sat down and started writing. he shared the draft with another man who also believe the president needed to say more. he agreed with the contents, as did eric hershman, who reviewed the draft. the committee has learned that the president did not agree with the substance is crafted and resisted giving a speech at all. ms hutchinson, to recall discussions about the president�*s speech on january the 7th? i about the president's speech on january the 7th?— about the president�*s speech on january the 7th? i do. let�*s listen january the 7th? i do. let's listen to what you _ january the 7th? i do. let's listen to what you told _ january the 7th? i do. let's listen to what you told us _ january the 7th? i do. let's listen to what you told us about that in the process of crafting those remarks. i the process of crafting those remarks. . the process of crafting those remarks. :, :, ., remarks. i learned from a conversation _ remarks. i learned from a conversation with - remarks. i learned from a conversation with mark i remarks. i learned from a i conversation with mark and overhearing between him and the white _ overhearing between him and the

white house counsel, eric hershman as well. _ white house counsel, eric hershman as well, that trump didn't necessarily think he needs to do anything — necessarily think he needs to do anything more on the seventh than what he _ anything more on the seventh than what he had already done on the sixth _ what he had already done on the sixth. when he was convinced to put out a _ sixth. when he was convinced to put out a video— sixth. when he was convinced to put out a video on the seventh, i understand he had a lot of opinions about— understand he had a lot of opinions about what— understand he had a lot of opinions about what the context of that announcement were to entail, i had announcement were to entail, i had an original— announcement were to entail, i had an original draft of the speech where — an original draft of the speech where there were several lines that didn't— where there were several lines that didn't make it in there about prosecuting the rioters or calling them _ prosecuting the rioters or calling them violence. he didn't want to do that _ them violence. he didn't want to do that he _ them violence. he didn't want to do that. he wanted to potentially pardon — that. he wanted to potentially pardon them. this isjust that. he wanted to potentially pardon them. this is just with the increased — pardon them. this is just with the increased emphasis on his mind set at the _ increased emphasis on his mind set at the time. — increased emphasis on his mind set at the time, which was that he didn't— at the time, which was that he didn't think they had done anything wrong _ didn't think they had done anything wrong. the people who did something wrong _ wrong. the people who did something wrong that— wrong. the people who did something wrong that day or the person did

something wrong that day was mike pence. _ something wrong that day was mike pence. by— something wrong that day was mike pence, by not standing with him. the president's pence, by not standing with him. tie president's advisers urge him to president�*s advisers urge him to give the speech. llirul’ho president's advisers urge him to give the speech.— president's advisers urge him to give the speech. president's advisers urge him to iive the seech. ~ ., : :, give the speech. who convince him to do the video — give the speech. who convince him to do the video on _ give the speech. who convince him to do the video on the _ give the speech. who convince him to do the video on the seventh? - give the speech. who convince him to do the video on the seventh? i'm i give the speech. who convince him to do the video on the seventh? i'm not| do the video on the seventh? i'm not sure who convince _ do the video on the seventh? i'm not sure who convince him _ do the video on the seventh? i'm not sure who convince him of _ do the video on the seventh? i'm not sure who convince him of it _ do the video on the seventh? i'm not sure who convince him of it was i do the video on the seventh? i'm not sure who convince him of it was a i sure who convince him of it was a group _ sure who convince him of it was a group of— sure who convince him of it was a group of people that convince him. it group of people that convince him. it was _ group of people that convince him. it was in _ group of people that convince him. it was in the group that you are aware — it was in the group that you are aware of? _ it was in the group that you are aware of?— it was in the group that you are aware of? :, ., ., ., :, ,, aware of? that i am aware of, mark, ivanka, aware of? that i am aware of, mark, lvanka. jared — aware of? that i am aware of, mark, ivanka, jared kushner _ aware of? that i am aware of, mark, ivanka, jared kushner eric— aware of? that i am aware of, mark, | ivanka, jared kushner eric hershman, pat philbin _ ivanka, jared kushner eric hershman, pat philbin. those of the people that i'm — pat philbin. those of the people that i'm aware of. to pat philbin. those of the people that i'm aware of.— pat philbin. those of the people that i'm aware of. to know whether a i-rou that i'm aware of. to know whether a a-rou of that i'm aware of. to know whether a group of people _ that i'm aware of. to know whether a group of people thought _ that i'm aware of. to know whether a group of people thought it _ that i'm aware of. to know whether a group of people thought it was i group of people thought it was necessary— group of people thought it was necessary for _ group of people thought it was necessary for him _ group of people thought it was necessary for him to _ group of people thought it was necessary for him to release i group of people thought it was necessary for him to release a| necessary for him to release a statement? _ necessary for him to release a statement?— necessary for him to release a statement? , a ., , statement? maybe kayleigh mceneaney as well. statement? maybe kayleigh mceneaney as well- from — statement? maybe kayleigh mceneaney as well. from what _ statement? maybe kayleigh mceneaney as well. from what i _ statement? maybe kayleigh mceneaney as well. from what i understood - statement? maybe kayleigh mceneaney as well. from what i understood at i as well. from what i understood at the time. — as well. from what i understood at the time, and from what the reports were coming in, there is a large

concern — were coming in, there is a large concern that the 25th amendment potentially being invoked and there were concerns about what would happen — were concerns about what would happen in — were concerns about what would happen in the said it if the 25th was invoked. the primaries and i heard. _ was invoked. the primaries and i heard. we — was invoked. the primaries and i heard, we did new to an offer on the sixth. _ heard, we did new to an offer on the sixth. we _ heard, we did new to an offer on the sixth, we need to get a stronger message — sixth, we need to get a stronger message out there and condemn this otherwise _ message out there and condemn this otherwise this will be your legacy. the second reason was, think about what _ the second reason was, think about what might— the second reason was, think about what might happen in the final 15 days of— what might happen in the final 15 days of your presidency if we don't do this _ days of your presidency if we don't do this. there is to talk of invoking _ do this. there is to talk of invoking the 25th amendment, you need _ invoking the 25th amendment, you need lessons cover. for invoking the 25th amendment, you need lessons cover.— need lessons cover. for president ultimately delivered _ need lessons cover. for president ultimately delivered the _ need lessons cover. for president ultimately delivered the remarks. j ultimately delivered the remarks. unlike many of his other speeches, he did not ad lib. much, he recited them without significant alteration, except one. even then, and january to seventh 2021, the day after the attack on the us capitol, still could not bring himself to say" but this election is now over. " one other point about the speech, ms

hutchinson. did you hear that at one point president trump wanted to add language about pardoning those that took part in the january six riot? i took part in the january six riot? i did hear that and took part in the january six riot? i did hearthat and i took part in the january six riot? i did hear that and i understood that mark meadows was encouraging that language _ mark meadows was encouraging that language as well. this mark meadows was encouraging that language as well-— language as well. this is what you told us previously _ language as well. this is what you told us previously about _ language as well. this is what you told us previously about that. i language as well. this is what you | told us previously about that. said he was instructed _ told us previously about that. said he was instructed not to include that, _ he was instructed not to include that, he — he was instructed not to include that, he was_ he was instructed not to include that, he was instructing - he was instructed not to include that, he was instructing him - he was instructed not to include�* that, he was instructing him not he was instructed not to include i that, he was instructing him not to do that, _ that, he was instructing him not to do that, to — that, he was instructing him not to do that, to pardon _ that, he was instructing him not to do that, to pardon the _ that, he was instructing him not to do that, to pardon the rioters - that, he was instructing him not to do that, to pardon the rioters in i do that, to pardon the rioters in jeddah — do that, to pardon the rioters in jeddah the _ do that, to pardon the rioters in jeddah the seventh? _ do that, to pardon the rioters in jeddah the seventh?— do that, to pardon the rioters in jeddah the seventh? there were --eole jeddah the seventh? there were peeple coming _ jeddah the seventh? there were peeple coming to _ jeddah the seventh? there were people coming to office - jeddah the seventh? there were people coming to office that - jeddah the seventh? there were - people coming to office that morning saying _ people coming to office that morning saying that was not a good idea to include _ saying that was not a good idea to include that in the speech. eric hershmah _ include that in the speech. eric hershman— include that in the speech. eric hershman. �*, ., , , hershman. let's come away briefly from the congressional— hershman. let's come away briefly from the congressional hearing - hershman. let's come away briefly| from the congressional hearing into the storming of the capitol were not to have a number of developing stories at the same time here on outside source. glenn maxwell has been sentenced to 20 years in prison because of her activities with the paedophilejeffrey epstein. and paedophile jeffrey epstein. and these paedophilejeffrey epstein. and these are pictures coming in from

these are pictures coming in from the latest data summit, the military alliance nato summit in traits. that is jens stoltenberg, alliance nato summit in traits. that isjens stoltenberg, what he is talking about is, among other things, nature friendly will formally invite finland and sweden to become members on wednesday. nato will formally invite noto and finland to become members. we knew the request by those countries had been made and nato had signalled that the answer is likely to be positive, however, it is still a symbolic moment because remember, while there it is the case or not, and this is debated, publicly, russia puts the invasion of ukraine sent a number of factors in one of them has been the expansion of the nato military alliance eastwards towards russia in the last 20 and 30 years. now we have a situation where the invasion of ukraine has led to a direct expansion of nato because sweden and finland have both been persuaded that their request to join

was worth making because of that invasion. finland is particularly relevant because it shares 1000km long border with russia and russia said it would be distinctly displeased open mind and sweden were tojoin. that looks now a certainty because the invitation will be formally extended on wednesday. we continue to listen across to what jens stoltenberg says there at that nato summit. rhetoric to the us now and continue to listen to cassidy hutchinson, an aide back then at the end of the trump presidency to mark meadows, who was mrjohn's chief of staff. that is liz cheney, the republican congresswoman who is one of the senior figures within these hearings. of the senior figures within these hearin . s. ~ , of the senior figures within these hearinas. ~ , ., , hearings. whether they have been contacted by _ hearings. whether they have been contacted by any _ hearings. whether they have been contacted by any of _ hearings. whether they have been contacted by any of their- hearings. whether they have been contacted by any of their former . contacted by any of their former colleague or anyone else who attempted to influence and impact their testimony. without identifying any of the individuals involved, let me show you a couple of samples of

answers we received to this question. first, here's how one witness described phone calls from people interested in that witness's testimony. here's another sample, in a different context. this is a call received by

i think most americans know that attempting to influence witnesses to testify on truthfully presents very serious concerns. will be discussing theseissues serious concerns. will be discussing these issues as a committee, carefully considering our next steps. mr chairman, thank you, yield the hammer. m5 steps. mr chairman, thank you, yield the hammer-— the hammer. ms hutchinson, thank ou. the hammer. ms hutchinson, thank yom thank — the hammer. ms hutchinson, thank you- thank you _ the hammer. ms hutchinson, thank you. thank you for _ the hammer. ms hutchinson, thank you. thank you for doing _ the hammer. ms hutchinson, thank you. thank you for doing your - you. thank you for doing your patriotic— you. thank you for doing your patriotic duty— you. thank you for doing your patriotic duty and _ you. thank you for doing your patriotic duty and helping - you. thank you for doing your patriotic duty and helping the| patriotic duty and helping the american _ patriotic duty and helping the american people _ patriotic duty and helping the american people get- patriotic duty and helping the american people get a - patriotic duty and helping the i american people get a complete understanding _ american people get a complete understanding of— american people get a complete understanding ofjanuary- american people get a complete understanding ofjanuary the - american people get a complete| understanding ofjanuary the 6th that causes _ understanding ofjanuary the 6th that causes. thank _ understanding ofjanuary the 6th that causes. thank you - understanding ofjanuary the 6th that causes. thank you for- understanding ofjanuary the 6th that causes. thank you for your. that causes. thank you for your courage — that causes. thank you for your courage in _ that causes. thank you for your courage in testifying _ that causes. thank you for your courage in testifying here - that causes. thank you for yourl courage in testifying here today. you have — courage in testifying here today. you have the _ courage in testifying here today. you have the gratitude - courage in testifying here today. you have the gratitude of- courage in testifying here today. you have the gratitude of this. you have the gratitude of this committee _ you have the gratitude of this committee and _ you have the gratitude of this committee and your- you have the gratitude of this committee and your country. | you have the gratitude of this| committee and your country. i you have the gratitude of this- committee and your country. i know it wasnt— committee and your country. i know it wasn't easy — committee and your country. i know it wasn't easy to _ committee and your country. i know it wasn't easy to sit _ committee and your country. i know it wasn't easy to sit here _ committee and your country. i know it wasn't easy to sit here today- committee and your country. i know it wasn't easy to sit here today andl it wasn't easy to sit here today and answer— it wasn't easy to sit here today and answer these — it wasn't easy to sit here today and answer these questions. _ it wasn't easy to sit here today and answer these questions. but- it wasn't easy to sit here today and answer these questions. but afterl answer these questions. but after hearing _ answer these questions. but after hearing your — answer these questions. but after hearing your testimony— answer these questions. but after hearing your testimony in - answer these questions. but after hearing your testimony in all - answer these questions. but after hearing your testimony in all its . hearing your testimony in all its candour— hearing your testimony in all its candour in — hearing your testimony in all its candour in detail, _ hearing your testimony in all its candour in detail, i— hearing your testimony in all its candour in detail, i want- hearing your testimony in all its candour in detail, i want to - hearing your testimony in all its i candour in detail, i want to speak directly— candour in detail, i want to speak directly to— candour in detail, i want to speak directly to the _ candour in detail, i want to speak directly to the handful _ candour in detail, i want to speak

directly to the handful of - candour in detail, i want to speak. directly to the handful of witnesses who have _ directly to the handful of witnesses who have been _ directly to the handful of witnesses who have been outliers _ directly to the handful of witnesses who have been outliers in- directly to the handful of witnesses who have been outliers in our- who have been outliers in our investigation _ who have been outliers in our investigation. the _ who have been outliers in our investigation. the small- who have been outliers in our. investigation. the small number who have been outliers in our- investigation. the small number who have defied _ investigation. the small number who have defied us— investigation. the small number who have defied us outright. _ investigation. the small number who have defied us outright. those - investigation. the small number who| have defied us outright. those whose memories— have defied us outright. those whose memories have — have defied us outright. those whose memories have failed _ have defied us outright. those whose memories have failed them _ have defied us outright. those whose memories have failed them again- have defied us outright. those whosei memories have failed them again and a-ain memories have failed them again and again on— memories have failed them again and again on the — memories have failed them again and again on the most— memories have failed them again and again on the most important- memories have failed them again and again on the most important details. i again on the most important details. a and _ again on the most important details. a and to _ again on the most important details. a and to those — again on the most important details. a and to those who _ again on the most important details. a and to those who fear— again on the most important details. a and to those who fear donald - again on the most important details. a and to those who fear donald trump and his— a and to those who fear donald trump and his enablers, _ a and to those who fear donald trump and his enablers, because _ a and to those who fear donald trump and his enablers, because of- a and to those who fear donald trump and his enablers, because of this - and his enablers, because of this courageous— and his enablers, because of this courageous woman _ and his enablers, because of this courageous woman and - and his enablers, because of this courageous woman and others i and his enablers, because of this i courageous woman and others like her, courageous woman and others like her. your— courageous woman and others like her. your attempt— courageous woman and others like her, your attempt to _ courageous woman and others like her, your attempt to hide - courageous woman and others like her, your attempt to hide the - courageous woman and others like | her, your attempt to hide the truth from _ her, your attempt to hide the truth from the _ her, your attempt to hide the truth from the american _ her, your attempt to hide the truth from the american people - her, your attempt to hide the truth from the american people will- her, your attempt to hide the truth from the american people will fail. i from the american people will fail. and to _ from the american people will fail. and to that— from the american people will fail. and to that group _ from the american people will fail. and to that group of— from the american people will fail. and to that group of witnesses, . from the american people will fail. and to that group of witnesses, if. and to that group of witnesses, if you heard — and to that group of witnesses, if you heard of _ and to that group of witnesses, if you heard of this _ and to that group of witnesses, if you heard of this testimony- and to that group of witnesses, if you heard of this testimony today and suddenly— you heard of this testimony today and suddenly you _ you heard of this testimony today and suddenly you remember- you heard of this testimony today i and suddenly you remember things you heard of this testimony today - and suddenly you remember things you couldn't— and suddenly you remember things you couldn't previously— and suddenly you remember things you couldn't previously recall, _ and suddenly you remember things you couldn't previously recall, or— and suddenly you remember things you couldn't previously recall, or there - couldn't previously recall, or there are some — couldn't previously recall, or there are some details _ couldn't previously recall, or there are some details you would - couldn't previously recall, or there are some details you would like i couldn't previously recall, or there are some details you would like toi are some details you would like to ctarify. _ are some details you would like to clarity. or— are some details you would like to ctarify. or you _ are some details you would like to clarify, or you discover— are some details you would like to clarify, or you discover some - clarify, or you discover some courage _ clarify, or you discover some courage you _ clarify, or you discover some courage you had _ clarify, or you discover some courage you had hidden- clarify, or you discover some | courage you had hidden away somewhere, _ courage you had hidden away somewhere, our— courage you had hidden away somewhere, our doors- courage you had hidden awayi somewhere, our doors remain courage you had hidden away- somewhere, our doors remain open. the select— somewhere, our doors remain open. the select committee _ somewhere, our doors remain open. the select committee will— somewhere, our doors remain open. the select committee will reconvene in the _ the select committee will reconvene in the weeks — the select committee will reconvene in the weeks ahead _ the select committee will reconvene in the weeks ahead as _ the select committee will reconvene in the weeks ahead as we _ the select committee will reconvene in the weeks ahead as we continue l the select committee will reconvene | in the weeks ahead as we continue to

lay out— in the weeks ahead as we continue to lay out our findings _ in the weeks ahead as we continue to lay out our findings to _ lay out our findings to the american people _ lay out our findings to the american people. the chair requests - lay out our findings to the american people. the chair requests those i lay out our findings to the american people. the chair requests those at| people. the chair requests those at the hearing — people. the chair requests those at the hearing room _ people. the chair requests those at the hearing room to _ people. the chair requests those at the hearing room to remain- people. the chair requests those at the hearing room to remain seatedl the hearing room to remain seated until the _ the hearing room to remain seated until the capitol— the hearing room to remain seated until the capitol police _ the hearing room to remain seated until the capitol police have - until the capitol police have escorted _ until the capitol police have escorted the _ until the capitol police have escorted the witness - until the capitol police have escorted the witness and i until the capitol police have - escorted the witness and members from the _ escorted the witness and members from the room _ escorted the witness and members from the room. without _ escorted the witness and members from the room. without objection, | from the room. without objection, the committee _ from the room. without objection, the committee stands _ from the room. without objection, the committee stands adjourned. i from the room. without objection, i the committee stands adjourned. of the committee stands adjourned. (or the committee stands adjourned. the committee stands adjourned. the committee is adjourned for the committee stands adjourned.“ the committee is adjourned for now, though its chairman has very much made clear its work continues. we heard there the statement at our door is always open, there we should probably be realistic and i am sure the committee is that many or a number of seniorfigures the committee is that many or a number of senior figures within the trump administration have already made it clear they are not intending to cooperate with that committee. but in that testimony, is the her back to mr chairman was saying, we heard due of the days up to january the 6th and of january to six itself. if you missed any of it, pick up this details via the bbc news app or website but for this

edition of outside source case, thank you for watching, we'll see you tomorrow. a real mixture a weather across the country today. four west area is quite cloudy, very cloudy in parts of western scotland where the heavy rain here thanks to weather fronts. contrast these conditions with the summer like weather we have had at times across central and eastern england. it is felt presently warm but not as warm as europe where we have a heatwave those high temperatures have built up because of this rage in thejet have built up because of this rage in the jet stream, that not only allows the thank you to get very hot at this time of the year but also prevents weather systems from moving eastwards and unfortunate for us,

wear underneath the straw that encourages an area of low pressure to form. cookie data is entered will be with you for the rest of this week, bringing or showers. it is an unsettled looking picture for the next few days. overnight tonight, of rain has been pushing eastwards in recent hours will continue to move from wales into eastern england, central and eastern areas of scotland as well. behind that, across western portions, we must showers and temperatures for most pods sing into double figures. a plan to start on wednesday. wednesday, the same hand of rain, heavy for the east of scotland moving out of the way. full—time extra sunshine and showers. to showers are forecast for scotland and for southeast england, showers or forming a and for southeast england, showers orforming a line and for southeast england, showers or forming a line across and for southeast england, showers orforming a line across inland areas. there will be few areas that see thunderstorms during the day. east anglia and southeast england, fewer showers, east anglia and southeast england, fewershowers, more east anglia and southeast england, fewer showers, more dry weather and sunshine and temperatures in the low 20s. in the next couple days, the

winds will get lighter and lighter and that means, where we see the time his form, and there will be loads of them on thursday, they could be quite slow moving in nature as well. they will be peseta and sundry, it could seem some flash flooding from the heaviest downpours. similartemperatures. beyond that, pressure should start to rise through the weekend and into next week, so the weather will send to settle down and should get warmer with temperatures pushing into the mid 20s into next week for some.

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