welcome to bbc news as we continue our coverage of what is another really dramatic day at westminster. we are focusing notjust on the drama at westminster but what it means for everyone around the uk, especially as people are talking about what the government can do to help with the cost of living crisis. borisjohnson help with the cost of living crisis. boris johnson believes help with the cost of living crisis. borisjohnson believes the appointment of his new chancellor,

that there may be tax cuts, possibly, in the way, and one of my guests said that could give a sugar rush to some mps and voters and it might be a popular policy although whether that would keep a lid on rising inflation is debatable. let's focus on the action at westminster. we have had prime minister's questions in the last couple of hours and in one hour the prime minister will be facing a committee of senior mps, the liaison committee, so he hasn't returned here, he is staying in the houses of parliament before that committee meeting. borisjohnson says he is keeping on with the job despite a wave of government resignations which have continued today. we have seen a growing number of ministers resigning today with many expressing unhappiness at the prime minister's style of leadership and concerns that the work of the government is being overshadowed by questions about the prime minister's integrity. we can have a closer look

at what has been happening. so far today we haven't seen six mps quitting asjunior today we haven't seen six mps quitting as junior ministers. another eight have resigned as ministerial aides. another eight have resigned as ministerialaides. sajid javid another eight have resigned as ministerial aides. sajid javid quit yesterday and he made a scathing resignation speech in the commons. he said something was fundamentally wrong at number ten and the problem starts at the top and that is not going to change, he said. growing evidence of wider discontent amongst tory backbenchers over borisjohnson with several previously loyal mps who a month ago were backing him in the confidence vote, now submitting letters of no confidence, including the chair of the education committee robert halfon. it could get even more tricky for the prime minister this afternoon because he is set to

be questioned by senior mps at the liaison committee at three o'clock and we will bring that to you live here on bbc news. let's take stock of a busy day so far with our political correspondentjonathan blake. holding on, fighting on, for now. borisjohnson left downing street this morning with his leadership hanging in the balance. even as he made his way to parliament to face a grilling in the commons, more ministers and conservative mps were saying publicly his time was up. this morning, mr speaker, i had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. the prime minister managing a laugh at his own expense as the number of government vacancies grew. the tone changed as sir keir starmer challenged borisjohnson�*s appointment of chris pincher as deputy chief whip. he knew the accused minister had previously committed predatory behaviour, but he promoted him to a position of power anyway.

why? mr speaker, that individual, the memberfor tamworth, no longer has the conservative whip. he no longer has a job. as soon as i was made aware of the allegation he hasjust read out, mr speaker, the complaint that was made, he lost his status as a conservative mp. the labour leader accused the prime minister of turning a blind eye to misconduct, time and again. it was the same when his ally was on the take from the lobbyists. the same when his home secretary was bullying staff. it was the same when taxpayers' money was being abused, and the same when he and his mates partied their way through lockdown. he talks about integrity. he wanted to install the memberfor islington north into number 10, mr speaker. that's what he wanted to do.

imagine what our country and what the world would be like now! barely any support came from borisjohnson�*s own side, instead more stinging questions from conservative back benchers. does the prime minister think there are any circumstances l in which he should resign? the prime minister constantly tries to deflect from the issue, always tries to blame other people for mistakes and that leaves nothing left for him to do other than to take responsibility and resign. today i ask him to do| the honourable thing, to put the interests of the nation before his own interests, - and before, in his own words, it does become impossible i for government to do its job. things were bad enough for borisjohnson yesterday morning. glum faces around the cabinet table as questions continued about his judgment. but within hours, two of his most

senior ministers had resigned. rishi sunak quit as chancellor, saying standards of government were worth fighting for and he and the prime minister had fundamental differences. and sajid javid, the now former health secretary, said borisjohnson�*s government was neither competent nor popular. some are still supporting the prime minister. nadhim zahawi, until yesterday education secretary, rewarded for his loyalty with a promotion to chancellor. he is right to say, "look, i had made a mistake, "i am sorry for that and i take collective " responsibility. " i am sorry we made that mistake. but we make decisions at warp speed and we do not always get them right. the way i would sum up the prime minister's focus is in three words. delivery, delivery, delivery. it's no surprise boris johnson is holding on. he argues he has a mandate and a majority. his critics are finding out that it is hard to get rid

of a prime minister who does not want to go. but even for him, the pressure may yet become too much to bear. i have been given categorical assurance the prime minister was not aware... two days ago, childrens�* minister will quince defended borisjohnson�*s appointment of chris pincher as deputy chief whip, despite misconduct allegations, with a line that turned out to be untrue. he quit this morning and the resignations have kept coming. justice minister victoria atkins, one of several more junior government figures to go, saying "we can and must "be better than this." and back benchers are going public as well, with letters of no confidence and calls for borisjohnson to go. back in the commons, a resignation statement from sajid javid summed up conservatives�* concerns. but treading a tightrope between loyalty and integrity has become impossible in recent months. mr speaker, i will never risk losing my integrity.

i also believe a team is as good as its team captain and that a captain is as good as his or her team. so loyalty must go both ways. the events of recent months have made it increasingly difficult to be in that team. jonathan blake, bbc news. nick is in the houses of parliament, sojust a question nick is in the houses of parliament, so just a question about these resignations, is the prime minister going to be able to put people into all of those posts? that going to be able to put people into all of those posts?— all of those posts? that is a good auestion all of those posts? that is a good question and _ all of those posts? that is a good question and it _ all of those posts? that is a good question and it looks _ all of those posts? that is a good question and it looks like - all of those posts? that is a good question and it looks like it - all of those posts? that is a good question and it looks like it could| question and it looks like it could be a toughjob, question and it looks like it could be a tough job, actually, question and it looks like it could be a toughjob, actually, i've spoken to some tory mps who don't think he could necessarily fill all of those positions because it feels like a dam has burst when it comes to borisjohnson the's leadership, you have ministers resigning, ministerial aides resigning, and you have tory mps who were loyal to the prime minister in the past,

including just a month ago in the confidence vote, who have changed their minds, and it is very hard to find anyone around here on or off the record who thinks that boris johnson is going to survive this. many think it is a matter of if and not when the prime minister goes. number ten insist he has a personal mandate and you had the prime minister say that he wants to carry on —— you heard. but it feels like that will be extremely difficult, it feels very hard to see how boris johnson can turn this one around. i have a conservative mp with me, who said today that he has lost confidence in the prime minister. why? it confidence in the prime minister. wh ? ., , confidence in the prime minister. wh ? , ., ., . confidence in the prime minister. wh? , ., ., why? it was the performance at prime minister's questions, _ why? it was the performance at prime minister's questions, and _ why? it was the performance at prime minister's questions, and i _ why? it was the performance at prime minister's questions, and i did - why? it was the performance at prime minister's questions, and i did not - minister's questions, and i did not want _ minister's questions, and i did not want this_ minister's questions, and i did not want this to — minister's questions, and i did not want this to happen, the world is suffering — want this to happen, the world is suffering from war and we have the food crisis — suffering from war and we have the food crisis and the inflation crisis. _ food crisis and the inflation crisis, serious issues that have to be dealt —

crisis, serious issues that have to be dealt with, and i said now was not the _ be dealt with, and i said now was not the time for a leadership election— not the time for a leadership election on the ist ofjune, but i'm now looking — election on the ist ofjune, but i'm now looking at the situation where these _ now looking at the situation where these things keep happening and keep turning _ these things keep happening and keep turning around and i was trying to say could — turning around and i was trying to say could we possibly get to this but when — say could we possibly get to this but when the prime minister effectively made a comment something alon- effectively made a comment something along the _ effectively made a comment something along the lines that he did not quite — along the lines that he did not quite understand why chris pincher was in _ quite understand why chris pincher was in a _ quite understand why chris pincher was in a job, i thought, this is too far how— was in a job, i thought, this is too far now because you appointed him and all— far now because you appointed him and all the — far now because you appointed him and all the things that happened this week, you send ministers out with wrong — this week, you send ministers out with wrong briefings, reading sajid javid set. _ with wrong briefings, reading sajid javid set, and i thought this now has to— javid set, and i thought this now has to come to an end —— everything sajid _ has to come to an end —— everything sajid javid _ has to come to an end —— everything sajid javid said. because if you can't _ sajid javid said. because if you can't accept that you gave him the 'ob, can't accept that you gave him the job, i_ can't accept that you gave him the job, i don't— can't accept that you gave him the job, i don't see how he can turn it around~ _ job, i don't see how he can turn it around. ~ . ., ,., job, i don't see how he can turn it around. ~ . ., ., , ., around. what are your colleagues are sa in: around. what are your colleagues are saying about — around. what are your colleagues are saying about the _ around. what are your colleagues are saying about the future _ around. what are your colleagues are saying about the future of _ around. what are your colleagues are saying about the future of the - around. what are your colleagues are saying about the future of the prime l saying about the future of the prime minister? it saying about the future of the prime minister? , , , ., ' minister? it splits into different cam -s of minister? it splits into different camps of those _ minister? it splits into different camps of those who _ minister? it splits into different camps of those who back - minister? it splits into different camps of those who back him. l minister? it splits into different i camps of those who back him. are there camps of those who back him. there people camps of those who back him. site: there people still making the case for him? :, there people still making the case for him? . , , ., for him? there are members of the cabinet doing _ for him? there are members of the cabinet doing that, _ for him? there are members of the cabinet doing that, yes. _ for him? there are members of the cabinet doing that, yes. at - for him? there are members of the cabinet doing that, yes. at other i cabinet doing that, yes. at other levels. _ cabinet doing that, yes. at other levels. not — cabinet doing that, yes. at other levels, not so much.—

cabinet doing that, yes. at other levels, not so much. what are they sa in: ? levels, not so much. what are they saying? those _ levels, not so much. what are they saying? those who _ levels, not so much. what are they saying? those who back— levels, not so much. what are they saying? those who back the - levels, not so much. what are they saying? those who back the prime| saying? those who back the prime minister? :, saying? those who back the prime minister? ., ., ., , minister? that no one else can win an election — minister? that no one else can win an election and _ minister? that no one else can win an election and that _ minister? that no one else can win an election and that he _ minister? that no one else can win an election and that he is - minister? that no one else can win an election and that he is the - minister? that no one else can win an election and that he is the best| an election and that he is the best thing _ an election and that he is the best thing and — an election and that he is the best thing and labour will get in with the snp — thing and labour will get in with the snp and may be those things are true but _ the snp and may be those things are true but at _ the snp and may be those things are true but at the moment we are constantly going from one crisis to another— constantly going from one crisis to another under this leadership and a reluctance — another under this leadership and a reluctance to accept where those problems — reluctance to accept where those problems came from and we have got to concentrate on these issues which are affecting people. this charente has got _ are affecting people. this charente has got to— are affecting people. this charente has got to stop. —— sherrard. are affecting people. this charente has got to stop. -- sherrard. number ten would say — has got to stop. -- sherrard. number ten would say that _ has got to stop. -- sherrard. number ten would say that the _ has got to stop. -- sherrard. number ten would say that the last _ has got to stop. -- sherrard. number ten would say that the last election i ten would say that the last election was a personal mandate and by getting rid of borisjohnson you are losing that mandate. taste getting rid of boris johnson you are losing that mandate.— getting rid of boris johnson you are losing that mandate. we elect each member of parliament _ losing that mandate. we elect each member of parliament individually, j member of parliament individually, we don't _ member of parliament individually, we don't have a presidential system, and a _ we don't have a presidential system, and a lot— we don't have a presidential system, and a lot of— we don't have a presidential system, and a lot of people who backed boris johnson _ and a lot of people who backed boris johnson say, they are sorry, no, not him again. _ johnson say, they are sorry, no, not him again, they don't feel he is upholding — him again, they don't feel he is upholding the standards a prime minister— upholding the standards a prime minister should, and i regret i have had to—

minister should, and i regret i have had to come to those conclusions as well _ had to come to those conclusions as well. ., ., ., , ., 4' had to come to those conclusions as well. ., ., ., , ., ,, ., , well. how long do you think he has left in office? _ well. how long do you think he has left in office? i— well. how long do you think he has left in office? i don't _ well. how long do you think he has left in office? i don't think - well. how long do you think he has left in office? i don't think it i well. how long do you think he has left in office? i don't think it is i left in office? i don't think it is lonu. left in office? i don't think it is long- you _ left in office? i don't think it is long- you can _ left in office? i don't think it is long. you can see _ left in office? i don't think it is long. you can see the - left in office? i don't think it is i long. you can see the parliamentary party— long. you can see the parliamentary party has _ long. you can see the parliamentary party has turned in the last 24 hours — party has turned in the last 24 hours and _ party has turned in the last 24 hours and i feel when lord macdonald made _ hours and i feel when lord macdonald made the _ hours and i feel when lord macdonald made the statement yesterday which revealed _ made the statement yesterday which revealed the prime minister was fully aware of the allegations, and someone — fully aware of the allegations, and someone who has known chris pincher for 12_ someone who has known chris pincher for 12 years. _ someone who has known chris pincher forizyears. i— someone who has known chris pincher for 12 years, i did not know about those _ for 12 years, i did not know about those allegations myself and i was quite _ those allegations myself and i was quite shocked, but to now find out that the _ quite shocked, but to now find out that the prime minister was well aware. _ that the prime minister was well aware, that was the moment that turned _ aware, that was the moment that turned it — aware, that was the moment that turned it. in aware, that was the moment that turned it. , ., , , , turned it. in terms of the process, what do you _ turned it. in terms of the process, what do you think _ turned it. in terms of the process, what do you think should - turned it. in terms of the process, what do you think should happen i turned it. in terms of the process, i what do you think should happen now? the men in grey suits and the backbench leaders should go and see the prime minister this afternoon and tell him the game is up? that ma be and tell him the game is up? that may be happening _ and tell him the game is up? that may be happening but there are rumours — may be happening but there are rumours going around. it may be happening but there are rumours going around.- may be happening but there are rumours going around. it could be happening? _ rumours going around. it could be happening? l _ rumours going around. it could be happening? i have _ rumours going around. it could be happening? i have no _ rumours going around. it could be happening? i have no inside i rumours going around. it could be happening? i have no inside track| rumours going around. it could be i happening? i have no inside track on that and i have _ happening? i have no inside track on that and i have been _ happening? i have no inside track on that and i have been here _ happening? i have no inside track on that and i have been here before, i l that and i have been here before, i was on _ that and i have been here before, i was on the — that and i have been here before, i was on the 1922 when theresa may was prime _ was on the 1922 when theresa may was prime minister and was on the 1922 when theresa may was prime ministerand i know was on the 1922 when theresa may was prime minister and i know the was on the 1922 when theresa may was prime ministerand i know the men in -rey prime ministerand i know the men in grey suits— prime ministerand i know the men in grey suits to — prime ministerand i know the men in grey suits to have a conversation.

i'm grey suits to have a conversation. i'm hearing — grey suits to have a conversation. i'm hearing rumours that is happening and there are rumours about— happening and there are rumours about something that may or may not happen— about something that may or may not happen at— about something that may or may not happen at five o'clock at the 1922 committee but what happens in the next day _ committee but what happens in the next day or— committee but what happens in the next day or so, i don't think anybody— next day or so, i don't think anybody with any realism could predict — anybody with any realism could redict. :, ~ anybody with any realism could redict. . ~' , ., , anybody with any realism could redict. ., ,, y., , . predict. thank you very much. there ou have predict. thank you very much. there you have it- — predict. thank you very much. there you have it- a _ predict. thank you very much. there you have it. a prediction _ predict. thank you very much. there you have it. a prediction that - you have it. a prediction that potentially within the next few hours there are suggestions that the i922 hours there are suggestions that the 1922 committee could go and see the prime minister and tell him that the game is up. that would potentially hasten this process and there is a meeting of the 1922 executive this afternoon and a lot of speculation that could lead to them agreeing to change the rules to force another confidence vote if the prime minister does not stand down. i have had it suggested to me, unconfirmed,

though, that potentially they could clear the way for a confidence vote on monday, unconfirmed. it could well be that things move quicker than that or that it takes a lot longer. but that is certainly the mood in the conservative partyjust now, that it looks like things are getting worse rather than better for the prime minister. the mechanism was something _ the prime minister. the mechanism was something we _ the prime minister. the mechanism was something we talked _ the prime minister. the mechanism was something we talked about i the prime minister. the mechanism was something we talked about at l was something we talked about at nine o'clock this morning which now seems a long time ago. so much as happened in the intervening time. at the liaison committee at three o'clock, what will happen in that? there will be senior mps who cheer other committees who will go through a range of topics with the prime minister and i suspect his leadership will feature prominently —— who chair other committees. the prime minister will be hoping to

ride this out because he clearly doesn't want to give up the keys to number ten lightly but itjust feels like the mood in the conservative party, you just heard it from alex kell brook, the mood has changed. it has changed dramatically in the last 24 hours and that is the feeling that has led people to conclude that time is up for the prime minister and it is very difficult for him to turn this around. he is a politician who can do difficult things but it doesn't seem like he will manage at this time. let's talk to ed davey — the leader of the liberal democrats. what is going on, do you think the prime minister is going today in the next few hours or could he hang on? i hope he goes today but he should have gone — i hope he goes today but he should have gone months ago. the conservative party are waking up, and when — conservative party are waking up, and when the liberal democrats beat the conservatives in tiverton and holliston — the conservatives in tiverton and holliston recently, we said people had told _ holliston recently, we said people had told us it was time to show boris _ had told us it was time to show boris the — had told us it was time to show boris the door and maybe the

conservative party realised they to do that _ conservative party realised they to do that. ~ :, conservative party realised they to do that. ~ ., ., ,. conservative party realised they to do that. ~ ., ., , ., ~' conservative party realised they to do that. ~ ., ., y., ,, , do that. what do you think this would mean — do that. what do you think this would mean for _ do that. what do you think this would mean for the _ do that. what do you think this i would mean for the conservative party? are you concerned they could bring a leader who changes their fortunes around? in bring a leader who changes their fortunes around?— bring a leader who changes their fortunes around? in the by-elections we have taken _ fortunes around? in the by-elections we have taken off _ fortunes around? in the by-elections we have taken off the _ fortunes around? in the by-elections we have taken off the conservativesl we have taken off the conservatives in their— we have taken off the conservatives in their heartlands in the last year. — in their heartlands in the last year. it— in their heartlands in the last year. it is— in their heartlands in the last year, it is notjust borisjohnson but the — year, it is notjust borisjohnson but the whole conservative party, and many— but the whole conservative party, and many people feel the conservative party has taken them for granted. we conservative party has taken them for granted-— for granted. we were together in tiverton and _ for granted. we were together in tiverton and you _ for granted. we were together in tiverton and you told _ for granted. we were together in tiverton and you told me - for granted. we were together in tiverton and you told me that i for granted. we were together in | tiverton and you told me that you thought it was insignificant part of a protest vote against boris johnson. j a protest vote against boris johnson. ., , ., johnson. i said it was both a rotest johnson. i said it was both a protest vote _ johnson. i said it was both a protest vote against - johnson. i said it was both a protest vote against boris i johnson. i said it was both a i protest vote against boris johnson and a _ protest vote against boris johnson and a protest vote against the conservatives but also a positive vote for— conservatives but also a positive vote for the liberal democrats. that is fair. vote for the liberal democrats. that is fair- you — vote for the liberal democrats. that is fair. you did _ vote for the liberal democrats. that is fair. you did say _ vote for the liberal democrats. that is fair. you did say it _ vote for the liberal democrats. trust is fair. you did say it was in part a protest vote against the prime minister. , �* .., ., minister. yes, i'm confirming that now but if the _ minister. yes, i'm confirming that now but if the conservatives i minister. yes, i'm confirming that now but if the conservatives think| now but if the conservatives think with one — now but if the conservatives think with one bound if they get rid of the prime — with one bound if they get rid of the prime minister they are free, they have — the prime minister they are free, they have a dreadful record to defend —

they have a dreadful record to defend and they have failed to develop — defend and they have failed to develop a plan for our country and there _ develop a plan for our country and there are — develop a plan for our country and there are millions of families who are suffering out there and people can't _ are suffering out there and people can't afford to put food on the table — can't afford to put food on the table and _ can't afford to put food on the table and fill up their cars on the government have not come up with a credible _ government have not come up with a credible plan and what we are saying is the _ credible plan and what we are saying is the liberal democrats is to cut vat and — is the liberal democrats is to cut vat and give people a break. what on earth happens — vat and give people a break. what on earth happens over— vat and give people a break. what on earth happens over the _ vat and give people a break. what on earth happens over the next _ vat and give people a break. what on earth happens over the next few i earth happens over the next few weeks if borisjohnson is removed from office because it will take weeks before there is a new tory leader? there could be a big ideological battle between different wings of the party and all the while it would be impossible for the government to make meaningful decisions. :, , , government to make meaningful decisions. . , , ., decisions. that is up to the conservative _ decisions. that is up to the conservative government, | decisions. that is up to the i conservative government, they decisions. that is up to the - conservative government, they could put an _ conservative government, they could put an interim government in place and they— put an interim government in place and they have that ability and hopefully it will be better than the current _ hopefully it will be better than the current shambles was top what an incompetent government, a chaos of a conservative _ incompetent government, a chaos of a conservative majority government, letting _ conservative majority government, letting down people and businesses, letting _ letting down people and businesses, letting down people and businesses, letting down their own voters and that's— letting down their own voters and that's one — letting down their own voters and that's one reason why so many lifelong — that's one reason why so many lifelong conservatives have been switching to the liberal democrats.

is switching to the liberal democrats. is there _ switching to the liberal democrats. is there anyone in the conservative party who could be that interim leader that would command enough support in parliament to get through the next few months? this support in parliament to get through the next few months?— support in parliament to get through the next few months? this is not the o- osition the next few months? this is not the opposition parties. _ the next few months? this is not the opposition parties. there _ the next few months? this is not the opposition parties. there is- the next few months? this is not the opposition parties. there is a - opposition parties. there is a crisis at the _ opposition parties. there is a crisis at the moment, - opposition parties. there is a crisis at the moment, a i opposition parties. there is a crisis at the moment, a crisis opposition parties. there is a i crisis at the moment, a crisis of inflation and the cost of living and a lot of people watching at home might think, 0k, we're not too happy with what went on with borisjohnson but they are more worried about how they will pay their bills and some will question, if you'd oppose the government, what do you do, do you just have a dearth of leadership? i would like a general election and the liberal democrats will be ready for that _ the liberal democrats will be ready for that. then we wouldn't just the liberal democrats will be ready for that. then we wouldn'tjust be getting _ for that. then we wouldn'tjust be getting rid — for that. then we wouldn'tjust be getting rid of borisjohnson but getting — getting rid of borisjohnson but getting rid of borisjohnson but getting rid of borisjohnson but getting rid of the hopeless conservative government. they have betrayed _ conservative government. they have betrayed their own voters and they don't _ betrayed their own voters and they don't have — betrayed their own voters and they don't have a plan and i think a debate — don't have a plan and i think a debate with the british public now would _ debate with the british public now would be — debate with the british public now would be exactly what democracy needs _ would be exactly what democracy needs and we could face up to the crisis _ needs and we could face up to the crisis. these are serious crises,

food, _ crisis. these are serious crises, food, security, climate, but the conservative government has no answers — conservative government has no answers. ., ., . answers. you are well connected in parliament — answers. you are well connected in parliament and _ answers. you are well connected in parliament and you _ answers. you are well connected in parliament and you know _ answers. you are well connected in parliament and you know what i answers. you are well connected in parliament and you know what is i parliament and you know what is going on so what do you think the mood is amongst the conservative mps? many of them have told us that the prime minister should go. are there many left defending him? i have not seen many and i'm glad that they are _ have not seen many and i'm glad that they are at _ have not seen many and i'm glad that they are at last saying what we have said for— they are at last saying what we have said for months now and i'm not impressed — said for months now and i'm not impressed by the fact that they are waking _ impressed by the fact that they are waking up — impressed by the fact that they are waking up to what the rest of the country— waking up to what the rest of the country have known for years, this man _ country have known for years, this man is— country have known for years, this man is not— country have known for years, this man is not fit to be prime minister, he lies— man is not fit to be prime minister, he lies his — man is not fit to be prime minister, he lies his head off and he is a lawbreaking prime minister and he doesn't _ lawbreaking prime minister and he doesn't have a plan. he is the worst prime _ doesn't have a plan. he is the worst prime minister in political history and he _ prime minister in political history and he should have gone ages ago and the conservatives are at long last waking _ the conservatives are at long last waking up — the conservatives are at long last waking up to it and i don't think they— waking up to it and i don't think they deserve any credit for what the rest of— they deserve any credit for what the rest of the _ they deserve any credit for what the rest of the population you months a-o. rest of the population you months auo. :, rest of the population you months a a 0. :, :, rest of the population you months auo. ., ., ., , ., rest of the population you months ao, ., ., ., , ., he ago. how long does he have left? he should no ago. how long does he have left? he should go today- _

ago. how long does he have left? he should go today. ed _ ago. how long does he have left? he should go today. ed davey, - ago. how long does he have left? he should go today. ed davey, thanks i should go today. ed davey, thanks for “oininu should go today. ed davey, thanks forjoining us- _ should go today. ed davey, thanks forjoining us. ed _ should go today. ed davey, thanks forjoining us. ed davey _ should go today. ed davey, thanks forjoining us. ed davey there, i should go today. ed davey, thanks forjoining us. ed davey there, the| forjoining us. ed davey there, the leader of the liberal democrats. opposition parties saying the prime minister should go today and i'm hearing the same message from some conservative mps and at the moment the signs are that borisjohnson doesn't intend to stand down voluntarily but that could be taken out of his hands if the backbench committee changes the rules to allow another confidence vote. this could change a lot over the next few hours. :, change a lot over the next few hours. . ., ., , let's now speak to ben nunn, a former director of communications to labour leader sir keir starmer. he joins us live from cornwall. good afternoon. it was interesting listening to sajid javid's resignation speech and referring to those who were still backing boris johnson, he said being in the town

is an active decision, so shades of that with keir starmer when he said the only way the country can have a fresh start it deserves is by getting rid of the lot of them —— he said being in the tent is an active decision. so they were throwing is not just on decision. so they were throwing is notjust on borisjohnson but the rest of the cabinet and those supporting the rest of —— those supporting the rest of —— those supporting the rest of —— those supporting the prime minister. was that the right move? yes. supporting the prime minister. was that the right move?— that the right move? yes, it was, and i that the right move? yes, it was, and i think _ that the right move? yes, it was, and i think his _ that the right move? yes, it was, and i think his premiership i that the right move? yes, it was, and i think his premiership is i and i think his premiership is finished and it is a question of when i'm not if he goes, but the question is how he's going to go but he will grow. what labour has got to do and what keir starmer is doing, the right thing to do, you have got to broaden your attack away from borisjohnson who won't be the leader that keir starmer faces at the next election and broadly attacked the conservatives as a whole and its ability to govern. it

is notjust about whole and its ability to govern. it is not just about sleaze and whole and its ability to govern. it is notjust about sleaze and scandal and lies, you have got to go for the fundamental principles of what good government looks like and that is demonstrating they are no longer competent and no longer able to deliver on their promises and they are overseeing a economic crisis, the biggest in generation, so keir starmer is right to broaden the attack on the government as a whole rather than just focusing on attack on the government as a whole rather thanjust focusing on boris johnson as an individual. the rather than just focusing on boris johnson as an individual. the labour pa has johnson as an individual. the labour party has got _ johnson as an individual. the labour party has got to _ johnson as an individual. the labour party has got to not _ johnson as an individual. the labour party has got to not only _ johnson as an individual. the labour party has got to not only go - johnson as an individual. the labour party has got to not only go on i johnson as an individual. the labour party has got to not only go on the l party has got to not only go on the attack but also give a very positive narrative, to say to would—be voters, who moved away from the labour party of the last election, that they have got policies that can appeal and that will help people with their daily lives. it appeal and that will help people with their daily lives.— appeal and that will help people with their daily lives. it does and i think with their daily lives. it does and i think keir— with their daily lives. it does and i think keir is _ with their daily lives. it does and i think keir is doing _ with their daily lives. it does and i think keir is doing that - with their daily lives. it does and i think keir is doing that and i with their daily lives. it does and i think keir is doing that and my | i think keir is doing that and my view is... is i think keir is doing that and my view is... , ., i think keir is doing that and my view is- - -— i think keir is doing that and my view is... , ., ., ., view is... is he doing enough of it? the issue that _

view is... is he doing enough of it? the issue that will _ view is... is he doing enough of it? the issue that will define _ view is... is he doing enough of it? the issue that will define the i view is... is he doing enough of it? the issue that will define the next | the issue that will define the next election will be the economy, that will be central to the question of 2024 and what keir starmer needs to do and what he is beginning to do and we saw this in the speech the other day, is to position the labour party as the party that will get the economy growing again, how can we after ten years of slow growth and pay squeezes and a cost of living crisis, how can we start growing the economy? some of the stuff he said the other day and what rachel reeves has been doing around the eight tax, i think he is setting out an alternative —— has been doing around vat and a windfall tax. we still have two and half years until the next election and it is a marathon and not a sprint but he doing the right things in terms of the fundamentals and building a strong campaign for two fundamentals and building a strong campaignfortwo and fundamentals and building a strong campaign for two and a half years time. hf campaign for two and a half years time. , ., campaign for two and a half years time. ,., .., .. ., , time. if you were communications director to — time. if you were communications director to boris _ time. if you were communications director to boris johnson - time. if you were communications director to boris johnson right i time. if you were communications l director to boris johnson right now, director to borisjohnson right now, what would you say to him? i

director to boris johnson right now, what would you say to him? i would be wondering _ what would you say to him? i would be wondering why _ what would you say to him? i would be wondering why i _ what would you say to him? i would be wondering why i was _ what would you say to him? i would be wondering why i was there, i what would you say to him? i would be wondering why i was there, but l what would you say to him? i would be wondering why i was there, but i would be telling him to go. it is clear it is over and he should go with some dignity if there is any left. it is not in his character to go and he won't go, he will be forced out. whether that is by the i922 forced out. whether that is by the 1922 committee or the cabinet, but he is a unique character in our politics and he should go and should have gone weeks ago but in the end i think he will have to be... —— it will have to be some kind of effort to get him out from his own party. another mp has withdrawn support, ben spencer, the mp for runnymede, he says the prime minister should resign, and another no—confidence letterfrom resign, and another no—confidence letter from east devon mp simon

chuck. two more, it is getting hard to keep a tally —— jupp. chuck. two more, it is getting hard to keep a tally ——jupp. the resignations and letters of no confidence keep arriving. the prime minister will face the liaison committee at around three o'clock which will feature the chairs of a number of the committees in parliament. we can speak to mr jones, one of the mps who will be putting questions to the prime minister at three o'clock. give us a sense of your expectations for what will happen? i’m sense of your expectations for what will happen?— will happen? i'm hoping the prime minister turns _ will happen? i'm hoping the prime minister turns up _ will happen? i'm hoping the prime minister turns up to _ will happen? i'm hoping the prime minister turns up to the _ will happen? i'm hoping the prime minister turns up to the liaison i minister turns up to the liaison committee because i've heard rumours that michael gove is leading a delegation of mps to downing street to tell borisjohnson his time is up

and if that is the case maybe we won't have the prime minister to question this afternoon in the liaison committee but if he is there i will be asking him about his leadership of the economy at a time when people are struggling to make ends meet and when businesses are facing significant challenges and whilst the national debt and taxes are going up, we are heading into a recession. mr are going up, we are heading into a recession. ~ g ., , ,, are going up, we are heading into a recession. ~ g ., , , ., ., recession. mrjones, can you hear me? i think _ recession. mrjones, can you hear me? i think we — recession. mrjones, can you hear me? i think we have _ recession. mrjones, can you hear me? i think we have just - recession. mrjones, can you hear me? i think we have just had - recession. mrjones, can you hear me? i think we have just had an l me? i think we havejust had an issue with the line. apologies. we will try to get back to darren jones, one of the chairs of a select committee and who will be questioning the prime minister but interestingly you started off by saying he is hearing rumours that michael gove might be leading a delegation of mps to go to speak to borisjohnson and to try to persuade him to resign. michael gove was

absent during pmqs so that is the rumour that darrenjones mp is hearing, he said maybe we won't have a prime minister to actually question at three o'clock in the liaison committee. we will keep a close eye on that, is it more than a rumour, something substantiated? rumour, something substantiated 7 michael gove rumour, something substantiated? michael gove was absent at pmqs so was he talking to other mps about an intervention of sorts? let's have a look now at what the former health secretary sajid javid had to say. he resigned yesterday from his post as the health secretary yesterday. he delivered his resignation in person today. the former health secretary sajid javid has made a blistering attack on the prime minister. speaking in the commons — he called for borisjohnson to stand

down and urged his former cabinet colleagues to resign. let's listen back to part of that speech now. the public expects all of us to maintain honesty and maintain integrity in whatever we do. this is not an abstract matter, we have seen in great democracies what happens when divisions are entrenched and not bridged. we cannot allow that to happen here. we must bring the country together as one nation. effective government to do macro governance requires loyalty and collective responsibility, of course, and i'm a team player instinctively and i have completely focused on governing effectively over the last year but treading the tight rope between loyalty and integrity has become impossible in recent months. and mr speaker, i will never risk losing my integrity. i also believe a team is as good as

its team captain and that the captain is as good as his or her team, so loyalty must go both ways. the events of recent months have made it increasingly difficult to be in that team. it is not fair on ministers and colleagues to go out every morning, defending lines that don't stand up and don't hold up. it is not fair on my parliamentary colleagues who bear the brunt of constituents dismay in their inboxes and on their doorsteps in recent elections and it is not fair on conservative members and voters who rightly expect better standards from the party they supported. when the first story of parties in downing street emerged late last year, i was personally assured at the most senior level by my right honourable friends that, and i quote, there had been no parties in downing street and no rules were broken. sol

been no parties in downing street and no rules were broken. so i gave the benefit of doubt and i went on those media rounds to say that i had those media rounds to say that i had those assurances from the senior, the most senior level of the prime minister's team. then we had more stories, we had the sue gray report, and a new downing street team, and i continued to give the benefit of the doubt and now this week again we have reason to question the truth and integrity of what we have all been told. at some point, we have to conclude that enough is enough. i believe that point is now. i welcome the prime minister's public acknowledgement that matters could have been handled better in who he pointed out what was said about what he knew when. and i appreciated his kind and humble words and when i went to see him yesterday and also

the kind letter he sent to me but i do fear that the reset button could only work so many times. there is only work so many times. there is only many so many times you can turn the machine off before you realise something is fundamentally wrong. last month, i gave the benefit of the doubt one last time but i haven't concluded that the problem starts at the top, that is not going to change. i have concluded that the problem starts at the top and i believe that is not going to change and that means that it is for those of us in a position who have responsibility to make that change. news of five ministers resigning in

one go, our political editor chris mason reporting, lee rowley, julia lopez, named among them, and in theirjoint letter lopez, named among them, and in their joint letter they see that there is great regret that we are resigning as ministers of the government, it has been an honour to serve as ministers of the administration, they say you have had the most difficult task in a generation, and go on to express their admiration for borisjohnson�*s their admiration for boris johnson�*s fortitude, their admiration for borisjohnson�*s fortitude, stamina, and optimism, but they say, however that it has become increasingly clear that the government cannot function given the issues that have come to light and the way that they have been handled. that is a very significant line, the waves in which they have been handled. in good faith we must ask that for the good of the party and the country we must ask that you resign. neil o'brien, alex burghart,

lee rowley, and julia lopez, and news of another resignation, mims davies has resigned, and so the list of resignations from ministerial posts grows and grows. the list of backbench mps saying they no longer have confidence in the prime minister's leadership grows and grows. i was talking to darren jones, one of the select committee chairs who is due to question boris johnson at the liaison committee meeting at three o'clock, so in just under half an hourfrom now, and he said that he was hearing rumours that michael gove, who notably was not at pm cues, was going to lead a delegation to the prime minister to try to persuade him to step down.

the male is also reporting that as well. —— the mail. joining me now is nick pearce, professor of public policy and director of the institute for policy research at the university of bath. he was head of policy at 10 downing street during gordon brown's premiership. i hope you're able to hear the last line is that i mentioned, your thoughts on that? it line is that i mentioned, your thoughts on that?— line is that i mentioned, your thoughts on that? it is clearly over for boris johnson. _ thoughts on that? it is clearly over for boris johnson. the _ thoughts on that? it is clearly over for boris johnson. the last - thoughts on that? it is clearly over for boris johnson. the last batch, l for borisjohnson. the last batch, some serious younger ministers, people like neil o'brien, very credible figures, if they have decided the game is up, then clearly it now is. i don't think there is any way back forjohnson, it is clearly a matter of when he goes, the manner of his departure, rather than when he goes. michael gove

heading a delegation to talk to him, to persuade him to go with some dignity, if he, grant shapps, and others, are doing that, that is very serious for the prime minister, and it will make it very difficult for him to say, bring on a confidence vote, i'll try my chances. that would be very difficult in the circumstances, knowing that people like michael gove had been to him to ask him to call time.— ask him to call time. interestingly, the last letter— ask him to call time. interestingly, the last letter in _ ask him to call time. interestingly, the last letter in the _ ask him to call time. interestingly, the last letter in the paragraph - ask him to call time. interestingly, the last letter in the paragraph in l the last letter in the paragraph in the last letter in the paragraph in the ministers who resigned, in good faith we must ask that you resign the good of the party and the country, if borisjohnson does somehow try to continue, and says to the 1922 committee, change the rules if you must, but i'm hanging on, how much damage to think that is going to do to the credibility of the party? to do to the credibility of the .a ? ., , ., , ., .,

to do to the credibility of the party? considerable damage, because it invites an open _ party? considerable damage, because it invites an open civil— party? considerable damage, because it invites an open civil war. _ party? considerable damage, because it invites an open civil war. we - party? considerable damage, because it invites an open civil war. we are - it invites an open civil war. we are almost at that point. to refuse to 90, almost at that point. to refuse to go, when you have been told by senior ministers and the 1922 committee that you want to go, to refuse to do that would be tantamount to inviting and open civil war, and it would be bloody and bitter and very difficult for the party. on current numbers, i have no doubt that he would lose, and in those circumstances he would have to go. it is really a matter as to whether he reconciles himself to that fate, or whether he chooses to heed the advice of those around him to battle on. and what we have seen today, he no longer has a majority of conservative mps supporting them, and he would lose, and he would have to go to the palace and resign, or to go to the palace and resign, or to announce a timetable for his resignation and a leadership contest. fix, resignation and a leadership contest. �* , ., ., ., , contest. a short while ago his spokesperson _ contest. a short while ago his spokesperson was _ contest. a short while ago his spokesperson was saying - contest. a short while ago his spokesperson was saying in l contest. a short while ago his spokesperson was saying in a| contest. a short while ago his - spokesperson was saying in a lobby briefing on the houses of parliament that he believed he did still have

the majority of mps, that he had a mandate from the last general election, but do you think that those mps who are coming out, whether they are resigning from ministerial posts or whether they are backbenchers saying they have no confidence in him any longer, do you think that they are in tune with their constituents? is this what their constituents? is this what their constituents? is this what their constituents want as well, do you believe? the their constituents want as well, do you believe?— you believe? the opinion polls a- ear you believe? the opinion polls appear to _ you believe? the opinion polls appear to be _ you believe? the opinion polls appear to be showing - you believe? the opinion polls appear to be showing that, - you believe? the opinion polls| appear to be showing that, the majority of the public now wants the prime minister to resign, and a lot of the pressure on tory mps to change their mind if they have supported him in the past is directly coming from their constituents. they are facing the prospect of losing their seats at a general election, and many don't want to spend the summer having to talk about this and defending the prime minister. they have realised this isn't going to change, this is going to keep happening, and in those circumstances they have been forced to consider that the prime minister should resign. forced to consider that the prime ministershould resign. i forced to consider that the prime minister should resign. i do think that a lot of this is explained by

public pressure and by what constituents are saying to conservative mps, and now the sheer weight of resignations and declarations of no confidence, he has no longer got support among conservative mps, and a spokesperson is properly wrong about that. and is properly wrong about that. and how do you _ is properly wrong about that. and how do you think pounds should respond to this, how do you think labour should respond to this? is a prime minister has come under severe criticism, who was damaged. obviously, one of the realisation of conservative mps wanting the prime minister to go is that if he were to be their leader another general election campaign he would be likely to lose. they are thinking about what comes next, how they handle a leadership contest, and what that

means for the labour�*s party position. the argument they stand for, confidence and good governance, against the chaos of thejohnson administration, that against the chaos of the johnson administration, that won't hold up if you have a very different character coming in, and pledging not to be chaotic, not to live, not to disseminate. that will change the context for the campaigning in the coming months, and of course at the next general election.— next general election. thank you very much _ next general election. thank you very much for— next general election. thank you very much for your _ next general election. thank you very much for your thoughts. - next general election. thank you | very much for your thoughts. this next general election. thank you i very much for your thoughts. this is another breaking line from a cold to your correspondence, he says he has just seen liam fox, a very senior conservative on his way to tell the prime minister to quit. we don't know if he is part of that michael gove delegation, or if he is doing

this independently, but nick eardley, political correspondent, saying he hasjust seen liam fox on his way to tell the prime minister to quit. the consensus does seem to be now that boris johnson's to quit. the consensus does seem to be now that borisjohnson's time is up, it isjust be now that borisjohnson's time is up, it is just whether he will listen to those who are appealing to him to step down now, we saw five ministers resigning in one go, saying that he should resign for the good of the party in the country, but whether he is paid to do that —— prepared to do that, we shall see. offer behaviour, unacceptable in any life, it is clear to see, but he ignored it. it was the same when his ally was on the tape from the lobbyist. it was the same when his

home secretary was bullying staff. it was the same when taxpayer puts's money was being abused, and it was the same when he partied his way through lockdown. anyone quitting now, after defending all that, hasn't got a shred of integrity. mr speaker, isn't this the first recorded case of the sinking ships fleeing the rats? you recorded case of the sinking ships fleeing the rats?— fleeing the rats? you should hear what his lot _ fleeing the rats? you should hear what his lot say _ fleeing the rats? you should hear what his lot say about _ fleeing the rats? you should hear what his lot say about him. - fleeing the rats? you should hear what his lot say about him. he i fleeing the rats? you should hear i what his lot say about him. he talks about— what his lot say about him. he talks about integrity, and he wanted to install_ about integrity, and he wanted to install the — about integrity, and he wanted to install the member for islington north_ install the member for islington north into — install the member for islington north into numberten, install the member for islington north into number ten, that is what he wanted — north into number ten, that is what he wanted to do, imagine what our country— he wanted to do, imagine what our country and — he wanted to do, imagine what our country and what the world would be like now _ country and what the world would be like now. he talks about integrity, he voted _ like now. he talks about integrity, he voted 48 times to overturn the will of— he voted 48 times to overturn the will of the — he voted 48 times to overturn the will of the british people, and take us back— will of the british people, and take us back into the european union, and

listening _ us back into the european union, and listening to _ us back into the european union, and listening to his muddled speech the other day, — listening to his muddled speech the other day, that is exactly what he would _ other day, that is exactly what he would do — other day, that is exactly what he would do again. mr speaker, he talks about— would do again. mr speaker, he talks about integrity, but he has voted to time again— about integrity, but he has voted to time again against sanctions on criminals — time again against sanctions on criminals that would put them behind bars. criminals that would put them behind bars this _ criminals that would put them behind bars this is — criminals that would put them behind bars. this is the government that is tough _ bars. this is the government that is tough i'm — bars. this is the government that is tough... i'm sorry, he talks about integrity. — tough... i'm sorry, he talks about integrity. he _ tough... i'm sorry, he talks about integrity, he himself is facing a criminal— integrity, he himself is facing a criminal investigation, for which he asked _ criminal investigation, for which he asked me — criminal investigation, for which he asked me to resign. what criminal investigation, for which he asked me to resign.— criminal investigation, for which he asked me to resign. what a pathetic sectacle, asked me to resign. what a pathetic spectacle. the _ asked me to resign. what a pathetic spectacle, the dying _ asked me to resign. what a pathetic spectacle, the dying active - asked me to resign. what a pathetic spectacle, the dying active his - spectacle, the dying active his political career is apparent that nonsense. as for those who left, only an office because nobody else is prepared to debase themselves any longer, the charge of the lightweight brigade. have some self respect. mr speaker, for a week he has had them defending his decision

to promote a sexual predator, the lines he has forced them to take have been untrue. first that he was unaware of any allegation. untrue. then, he was unaware of any specific allegation, untrue. then, he was unaware of any specific allegation. and now, he wants them to go out and say that he simply forgot. anyone, with anything about them would be long gone from his front bench. in the middle of a crisis, doesn't the country deserve better than as set list cast of nodding dogs? mr speaker, it is exactly when times are tough. — speaker, it is exactly when times are tough, and when the country faces— are tough, and when the country faces pressures on the economy, and pressures— faces pressures on the economy, and pressures on — faces pressures on the economy, and

pressures on their budgets, and when we have _ pressures on their budgets, and when we have the _ pressures on their budgets, and when we have the biggest war in europe for 80 _ we have the biggest war in europe for 80 years, that is when you would expect— for 80 years, that is when you would expect the _ for 80 years, that is when you would expect the government to continue with its— expect the government to continue with its work, not to walk away, and to get _ with its work, not to walk away, and to get on— with its work, not to walk away, and to get on with ourjob, and to focus on the _ to get on with ourjob, and to focus on the things that matter to the people — on the things that matter to the people of— on the things that matter to the people of this country. a on the things that matter to the people of this country.— people of this country. a little extract from _ people of this country. a little extract from prime _ people of this country. a little extract from prime minister's| extract from prime minister's questions earlier. i was mentioning before that that our political correspondent for saying he had just seen liam fox, conservative mp, long—standing conservative mp, on his way to tell borisjohnson to step down, and liam fox has written a letter, he is the mp for north somerset, let mejust a letter, he is the mp for north somerset, let me just bring you a couple of lines from that, he says i have been loyal to every conservative party leader since i was elected in 1982, i have been loyal to you since you took office, he thanks the prime minister for

supporting and a number of ways, for example the private members bill making the down syndrome actor reality. however, the events of recent days have convinced me that unfortunately you cannot continue to lead the conservative party, and more importantly, our country. he goes on, we have lost too many people from our government who could not reconcile their loyalty to you with a conscience, i share their feelings, therefore it is with a heavy heart that i am withdrawing my support from you. i no longer have confidence in you as a leader, urge you to do the right thing and resign, that was liam fox, former defence secretary. you have long—standing mps, you have mps who are in the 29 teen 2019 intake. they are in the 29 teen 2019 intake. they are saying they do

confidence in his leadership our trust in his leadership. just a reminder that as well as liam fox going to talk to the prime minister, we are hearing that michael gove, who was notably absent from prime minister's questions, is leading a delegation of mps to do the same thing. we don't know if liam fox is one of those mps, he may be. we heard that from darren jones, one of those mps, he may be. we heard that from darrenjones, who is due to question the prime minister on the liaison committee in about 15 minutes' time, but mrjones said to me that he was not sure if we'll have a prime minister to question at that point, because of this delegation of mps going ask him to step down. that was the rumour that he was hearing, the mail is also reporting that, so the developments are coming thick and fast this afternoon. along with the resignations, including one letter

with five resignations contained within. one of those who have said today that he no longer has confidence in the prime minister is the conservative mp, robert halfon. the word from number ten is that they are going to keep going no matter what, and the prime minister is determined to deliver, i have robert halfon here, you see that you have changed your mind, what has changed? i have changed your mind, what has chanced? ., , ,, ., changed? i said to my whips at the time, this changed? i said to my whips at the time. this was _ changed? i said to my whips at the time, this was the _ changed? i said to my whips at the time, this was the last _ changed? i said to my whips at the time, this was the last time. - changed? i said to my whips at the time, this was the last time. i - changed? i said to my whips at the time, this was the last time. i just | time, this was the last time. ijust think— time, this was the last time. ijust think that — time, this was the last time. ijust think that the latest scandal and the misleading statements that have come from downing street, enough is enough _ come from downing street, enough is enough it— come from downing street, enough is enough. it has been one thing after

another. _ enough. it has been one thing after another, and the problem is that we are not— another, and the problem is that we are not delivering for our constituents, the hospital programme is modern _ constituents, the hospital programme is modern bureaucracy, 1.7 million children— is modern bureaucracy, 1.7 million children are — is modern bureaucracy, 1.7 million children are still absent from schools. _ children are still absent from schools, that is an area i cover very— schools, that is an area i cover very closely. ijust schools, that is an area i cover very closely. i just felt that enough _ very closely. i just felt that enough was enough, we need a clean break _ enough was enough, we need a clean break. ., ~' ., enough was enough, we need a clean break. ., ~ ., , ., enough was enough, we need a clean break. ., 4' ., y., , enough was enough, we need a clean break. ., ~' ., , break. you know your party well, you seak to a break. you know your party well, you speak to a lot — break. you know your party well, you speak to a lot of— break. you know your party well, you speak to a lot of your _ break. you know your party well, you speak to a lot of your colleagues - speak to a lot of your colleagues regularly, is it all overfor boris johnson? it regularly, is it all over for boris johnson? . . regularly, is it all over for boris johnson? , , ., ., johnson? it is up to individual colleagues — johnson? it is up to individual colleagues what _ johnson? it is up to individual colleagues what they - johnson? it is up to individual colleagues what they do. - johnson? it is up to individual colleagues what they do. i . johnson? it is up to individual. colleagues what they do. i only spoke — colleagues what they do. i only spoke to— colleagues what they do. i only spoke to my colleagues in my office before _ spoke to my colleagues in my office before putting the statement out, but i slept on it overnight, and i woke _ but i slept on it overnight, and i woke up— but i slept on it overnight, and i woke up in— but i slept on it overnight, and i woke up in the morning feeling even more _ woke up in the morning feeling even more angry~ — woke up in the morning feeling even more angry. i think there is a huge loss of— more angry. i think there is a huge loss of trust. — more angry. i think there is a huge loss of trust, sadly, in the government, and i think the public want _ government, and i think the public want to— government, and i think the public want to change, the party wants a change. _ want to change, the party wants a change, and it has to happen. the word from — change, and it has to happen. tue: word from number change, and it has to happen. tta: word from number ten change, and it has to happen. "tt2 word from number ten this change, and it has to happen. tt2 word from number ten this morning was that the prime minister is determined to get on with the job,

is borisjohnson taking this seriously enough? t is boris johnson taking this seriously enough?- is boris johnson taking this seriously enough? is boris johnson taking this seriousl enouuh? ., �* ~ ., �*, seriously enough? i don't know, it's a matter for— seriously enough? i don't know, it's a matter for him, _ seriously enough? i don't know, it's a matter for him, the _ seriously enough? i don't know, it's a matter for him, the fact _ seriously enough? i don't know, it's a matter for him, the fact is - seriously enough? i don't know, it's a matter for him, the fact is that. a matter for him, the fact is that we are _ a matter for him, the fact is that we are really unhappy, even people supporting — we are really unhappy, even people supporting the prime minister. unless — supporting the prime minister. unless you are part of the hard—core in a team. _ unless you are part of the hard—core in a team, most people are unhappy with what— in a team, most people are unhappy with what is— in a team, most people are unhappy with what is going on. i have never done _ with what is going on. i have never done this— with what is going on. i have never done this before, it is not in my nature — done this before, it is not in my nature to — done this before, it is not in my nature to go on about the prime minister. — nature to go on about the prime minister, but ijust feel that we have _ minister, but ijust feel that we have reached an end point. i feel that we _ have reached an end point. i feel that we have been misled about what has gone _ that we have been misled about what has gone on over the last week, this individual. _ has gone on over the last week, this individual. i— has gone on over the last week, this individual, i feel the has gone on over the last week, this individual, ifeel the public has gone on over the last week, this individual, i feel the public has been _ individual, i feel the public has been misled, and we're talking about this and _ been misled, and we're talking about this and nothing else yet again, and that is— this and nothing else yet again, and that is why— this and nothing else yet again, and that is why i — this and nothing else yet again, and that is why i had to get out a statement on the way that i had. it statement on the way that i had. [11 is 'ust statement on the way that i had. isjust a statement on the way that i had. tit isjust a couple statement on the way that i had. tt isjust a couple of statement on the way that i had. tt is just a couple of we statement on the way that i had. tt isjust a couple of we can statement on the way that i had. tt is just a couple of we can tell parliament breaks up for the summer holidays, do you think you will last until then? holidays, do you think you will last untilthen? tt holidays, do you think you will last until then? tt t holidays, do you think you will last until then? . . holidays, do you think you will last until then? ., , ., untilthen? if i was a fortune-teller - untilthen? if i was a fortune-teller i - until then? if i was al fortune-teller i would until then? if i was a - fortune-teller i would be a until then? if i was a _ fortune-teller i would be a much fortune—teller i would be a much richer— fortune—teller i would be a much richer person, but i have no idea.

they— richer person, but i have no idea. they know — richer person, but i have no idea. they know now the extent, if you have _ they know now the extent, if you have someone like me, who is fairly moderate _ have someone like me, who is fairly moderate and not an agitator of the prime _ moderate and not an agitator of the prime minister, doing this, i think they know— prime minister, doing this, i think they know it's very serious. who do ou want they know it's very serious. who do you want to — they know it's very serious. who do you want to take _ they know it's very serious. who do you want to take over? _ they know it's very serious. who do you want to take over? i _ they know it's very serious. who do you want to take over? i have - they know it's very serious. who do you want to take over? i have no i you want to take over? i have no idea who's _ you want to take over? i have no idea who's going _ you want to take over? i have no idea who's going to _ you want to take over? i have no idea who's going to stand, - you want to take over? i have no idea who's going to stand, and i | idea who's going to stand, and i want _ idea who's going to stand, and i want to— idea who's going to stand, and i want to know what they are going to stand _ want to know what they are going to stand for. _ want to know what they are going to stand for, so i will make my mind up, if— stand for, so i will make my mind up. if that— stand for, so i will make my mind up, if that happens.— stand for, so i will make my mind up, if that happens. thank you for talkin: to up, if that happens. thank you for talking to us- _ up, if that happens. thank you for talking to us. that _ up, if that happens. thank you for talking to us. that is _ up, if that happens. thank you for talking to us. that is the - up, if that happens. thank you for talking to us. that is the view - up, if that happens. thank you for| talking to us. that is the view from one mp who has changed his mind about borisjohnson this morning, there are plenty more, and that feels like a very dangerous moment for borisjohnson. let's talk to our political correspondent, iain watson in parliament. i want to talk about this suggestion

that michael gove and others are going on a delegation to boris johnson to say that his time is up, what are you hearing? t johnson to say that his time is up, what are you hearing?— what are you hearing? i have 'ust soken to what are you hearing? i have 'ust spoken to liam i what are you hearing? i have 'ust spoken to liam fox i what are you hearing? i have 'ust spoken to liam fox and it is h spoken to liam fox and it is certainly his view that the position of the prime minister is untenable. he was not with michael gove, there was speculation that michael gove would see the prime minister to, but liam fox certainly making his prime views to the prime minister clear. just before that, we had five government ministers resigning all in one fell swoop, including kemi badenoch, including neil o'brien, who have been involved in the flagship levelling up policies of the prime minister. one conservative mp says to me, i don't think there will be any if the department left to take through the legislation. that is when things start to get crucial, this morning downing street

was saying they were nowhere near a tipping point, the expected resignations, and they got further resignations, and they got further resignations, but if it reaches a certain point where it becomes difficult to appoint people who are competent or experienced enough to do thejob, then competent or experienced enough to do the job, then obviously questions are going to be asked. to add to that, the fact that the prime minister, in ten minutes' time, is supposed to be facing some of his internal critics on this lesion committee, and while that is going on, the executive committee who make up on, the executive committee who make up the leadership roles are meeting just above the house of commons, they will be speaking to a full committee at five o'clock. it was the case that previously they were meeting to discuss elections to the 1922 executive, and they were going to discuss changing the rules to make another challenge to boris johnson possible sooner rather than later. there are some suggestions that the events are moving on, and that the events are moving on, and that the events are moving on, and that the existing executive might decide that they are also prepared

to change the rules, unless boris johnson goes. i don't want to pre—empt the outcome of that meeting, there is a possibility that thatis meeting, there is a possibility that that is also going to put pressure on the prime minister. certainly, one former prime minister —— one former minister... if outlets are graham brady might go in with a metaphorical war of no confidence letters under his arm, and allow the prime minister to draw his own conclusions. i haven't cited michael gove, but as you have mentioned, liam fox is walk—through here, down the corridor towards the prime ministers office. we the corridor towards the prime ministers office.— the corridor towards the prime ministers office. ~ ., ., ., ministers office. we have heard that michael gove _ ministers office. we have heard that michael gove went _ ministers office. we have heard that michael gove went to _ ministers office. we have heard that michael gove went to see _ ministers office. we have heard that michael gove went to see boris - michael gove went to see boris johnson this morning, and he won't be going back to see him, so apparently he has already delivered his message. notable that he was not at prime minister's questions of

course, but this was the important point is, is the prime minister persuadable, if members are coming to him, including members of the 1922 committee, saying, your time is up, as he persuadable, or will he say, go and change the rules, challenge them?— say, go and change the rules, challenge them? that is only a auestion challenge them? that is only a question that _ challenge them? that is only a question that he _ challenge them? that is only a question that he can _ challenge them? that is only a question that he can answer. challenge them? that is only a question that he can answer att challenge them? that is only a - question that he can answer at the moment. certainly, his instinct will be to hold on, certainly his allies thought that that is what he was able to do. they talked about some people who are being tapped up by sajid javid and rishi sunak to walk out of the cabinet, they were always absolutely clear that borisjohnson would swiftly replace those who have left. he has many morejunior ministerial roles to fill again, and i think you will say, so what, if they're not backing me. the crucial

thing is that if he is told, we have enough letters that you would lose a vote of no confidence, and we have enough support to change the rules for... it is almost what happened to theresa may when she was getting in difficulties with their own party, and if they decide to go down that route, he might decide otherwise. thank you very much. we can speak now to the conservative mp, tim loughton, thank you very much for joining us. we have a few minutes to speak before the liaison committee gets under way. viewers may have seen you stand up and asked the prime minister at prime minister's questions, underwhat prime minister at prime minister's questions, under what circumstances he would resign. do you think given the events of the last hour, where more and more resignation letters have emerged, do you think you will do that? ~ ., ., ., do that? whether he will do that or not, i do that? whether he will do that or not. i have — do that? whether he will do that or not. i have no _ do that? whether he will do that or not, i have no idea, _ do that? whether he will do that or not, i have no idea, he _ do that? whether he will do that or not, i have no idea, he is _ do that? whether he will do that or not, i have no idea, he is very-

not, i have no idea, he is very bullish, and is trying to bat away all the challenges that are happening at the moment, that's the character of prime minister. the game is up, and i do hope this sees the writing on the wall, and decides to resign and stand down on his own terms, and we can say thank you very much, and start a new leadership process, and get a new prime minister in place as soon as possible. i say that with no great pleasure, it is a great tragedy, but all the good things that boris has done, notably his leadership on ukraine, but we cannot have a prime minister who has lost so much confidence and trust of his colleagues, and of the public, running the government. you cannot be a sideshow from the serious business of government, and the many things i constituents expect us to be getting on with. hagar things i constituents expect us to be getting on with. how damaging do ou think be getting on with. how damaging do you think the — be getting on with. how damaging do you think the current _ be getting on with. how damaging do you think the current situation - be getting on with. how damaging do you think the current situation is - you think the current situation is though, the waverley current foreign minister as saying he will hold on, that he still has a mandate? ever

push comes to shove, and he says to the 1922 committee, i'm not persuaded to go, if he does that, and that is a possible scenario, how damaging is that to the party going forward? tt is damaging is that to the party going forward? , ., , , ., forward? it is not the best way of doinu forward? it is not the best way of doin: it, forward? it is not the best way of doing it. which — forward? it is not the best way of doing it, which is _ forward? it is not the best way of doing it, which is why _ forward? it is not the best way of doing it, which is why i _ forward? it is not the best way of doing it, which is why i say - forward? it is not the best way of doing it, which is why i say i - forward? it is not the best way of| doing it, which is why i say i hope that he will resign on his own terms, and you can leave with respect, and we can also thank you very much and get on with the process of electing a new leader. if he doesn't, then i am afraid there is such an overwhelming feeling amongst my colleagues, and if we want to hold the no—confidence vote that we had a few weeks ago now, i have no doubt that it would be a big majority for no—confidence. in the 1922 committee who decide the rules, they will change those rules, and we will have a new vote of confidence in a matter of days, and that is properly what is going to happen. it would be better if the prime minister was to go of his own accord and hand over the bat on. lttlul’ha

minister was to go of his own accord and hand over the bat on. who would ou like to and hand over the bat on. who would you like to see _ and hand over the bat on. who would you like to see replace _ and hand over the bat on. who would you like to see replace him, - and hand over the bat on. who would you like to see replace him, i - you like to see replace him, i realise that is moving on, but we heard sajid javid in his resignation speech saying that being in the tent is an active decision, clearly criticising those who have remained loyal to the prime minster at this point, but among them, some individuals who may want to put their hat in the ring to become the next leader. who would you like to see, somebody closely associated with this current government, or a fresher face, with this current government, or a fresherface, shall we with this current government, or a fresher face, shall we say? with this current government, or a fresherface, shall we say? t am with this current government, or a fresher face, shall we say? i am the worst person _ fresher face, shall we say? i am the worst person to _ fresher face, shall we say? i am the worst person to ask _ fresher face, shall we say? i am the worst person to ask that _ fresher face, shall we say? i am the worst person to ask that question. | fresher face, shall we say? i am the worst person to ask that question. i | worst person to ask that question. i have been on the campaign teams of all the losing candidates going back to william hague, sol all the losing candidates going back to william hague, so i don't think there will be many people who want to be on their team. i could reel off six, seven, eight names of decent, credible candidates who could, and i think we'll set up as leadership candidates, any one of whom i think will make a good prime minister. it may be a different sort

of prime minister, but it doesn't mean they will be any less good at thejob. so, we will see, many of you will come forward over the next few days, i'm sure, but at the moment there is a —— there is no vacancy, but i hope the prime minister will leave a vacancy, so we can get on with the job without all of those constant distractions and sideshows going on.— of those constant distractions and sideshows going on. thank you very much for talking _ sideshows going on. thank you very much for talking to _ sideshows going on. thank you very much for talking to me. _ sideshows going on. thank you very much for talking to me. yes, - sideshows going on. thank you very much for talking to me. yes, a - much for talking to me. yes, a distraction from thejob much for talking to me. yes, a distraction from the job of governing, that is one of the reason cited in these resignation letters that have been coming in thick and fast, also a lack of trust in the prime minister, his personality, concerns from constituents, so a range of reasons given by mps resigning their positions for those resignations, that's in addition to backbench mps saying they no longer have confidence in the prime

minister. some senior mps, we now understand, have gone to him or we'll be going to him telling to him to stand down. you're watching bbc news. welcome to viewers in the uk and around the world. we are live in westminster where borisjohnson's premiership is hanging by a thread. we are expecting the prime minister to be questioned by a committee of mps in the next few minutes — but that may not go ahead as in the past hour we've had another wave of resignations with six more junior ministers deciding to leave government because of borisjohnson's leadership. and there are reports two of his most senior mps have told the prime minister it's now time to go. let's talk to our political correspondent iain watson

in parliament. what is the latest you are hearing about the prime minister's position and whether he might be persuaded to step down? tt is and whether he might be persuaded to ste down? . and whether he might be persuaded to ste down? , , ., step down? it is the case that the prime minister _ step down? it is the case that the prime minister is _ step down? it is the case that the prime minister is meant - step down? it is the case that the prime minister is meant to - step down? it is the case that the prime minister is meant to be - prime minister is meant to be meeting with some of the most senior of his mps and backbench mps at what is called the liaison committee for a grilling that may last 90 minutes, up a grilling that may last 90 minutes, up to a couple of hours, and that committee includes some of his outspoken critics, like william wragg, who is on the executive of the 1922 committee, caroline nokes, very critical of the prime minister, so it won't be an easy time for the prime minister if and when he appears. the government's chief whip went to see the prime minister today and speculation he might have been

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the great issues facing the nation and to move to the question of. and to move to the question of integrity— and to move to the question of integrity in _ and to move to the question of integrity in politics _ and to move to the question of integrity in politics and - and to move to the question of integrity in politics and related | integrity in politics and related matters — integrity in politics and related matters towards _ integrity in politics and related matters towards the _ integrity in politics and related matters towards the end - integrity in politics and related matters towards the end of. integrity in politics and related | matters towards the end of the session— matters towards the end of the session unless _ matters towards the end of the session unless you _ matters towards the end of the session unless you wanted - matters towards the end of the session unless you wanted to l matters towards the end of the - session unless you wanted to dispose of those _ session unless you wanted to dispose of those matters _ session unless you wanted to dispose of those matters immediately - session unless you wanted to dispose of those matters immediately first. . of those matters immediately first. it is your— of those matters immediately first. it is your committee _ of those matters immediately first. it is your committee and _ of those matters immediately first. it is your committee and i- of those matters immediately first. it is your committee and i will- of those matters immediately first. it is your committee and i will be i it is your committee and i will be guided by you. it is your committee and i will be guided by you-— it is your committee and i will be auidedb ou. , �* ., ., guided by you. very good. i'm afraid i will guided by you. very good. i'm afraid iwill ull guided by you. very good. i'm afraid i will pull you _ guided by you. very good. i'm afraid i will pull you up _ guided by you. very good. i'm afraid i will pull you up if— guided by you. very good. i'm afraid i will pull you up if your _ guided by you. very good. i'm afraid i will pull you up if your answers - i will pull you up if your answers are pressing _ i will pull you up if your answers are pressing on _ i will pull you up if your answers are pressing on time _ i will pull you up if your answers are pressing on time so - i will pull you up if your answers are pressing on time so that - i will pull you up if your answers are pressing on time so that we| i will pull you up if your answers - are pressing on time so that we can deal with— are pressing on time so that we can deal with that — are pressing on time so that we can deal with that latter— are pressing on time so that we can deal with that latter topic _ are pressing on time so that we can deal with that latter topic fully- deal with that latter topic fully and properly— deal with that latter topic fully and properly at—

deal with that latter topic fully and properly at the _ deal with that latter topic fully and properly at the end - deal with that latter topic fully and properly at the end and i deal with that latter topic fully and properly at the end and if| deal with that latter topic fully- and properly at the end and if your answers— and properly at the end and if your answers are — and properly at the end and if your answers are too _ and properly at the end and if your answers are too long _ and properly at the end and if your answers are too long we _ and properly at the end and if your answers are too long we will- and properly at the end and if your answers are too long we willjust l answers are too long we willjust keep— answers are too long we willjust keep you — answers are too long we willjust keep you here _ answers are too long we willjust keep you here until— answers are too long we willjust keep you here until we _ answers are too long we willjust keep you here until we have - answers are too long we willjust keep you here until we have goti keep you here until we have got through— keep you here until we have got through our— keep you here until we have got through our business _ keep you here until we have got through our business so - keep you here until we have got through our business so we - keep you here until we have goti through our business so we have every— through our business so we have every incentive _ through our business so we have every incentive for— through our business so we have every incentive for you _ through our business so we have every incentive for you to - through our business so we have every incentive for you to be - through our business so we have every incentive for you to be as i every incentive for you to be as crisp— every incentive for you to be as crisp as — every incentive for you to be as crisp as possible _ every incentive for you to be as crisp as possible and _ every incentive for you to be as crisp as possible and that - every incentive for you to be as crisp as possible and that goes| every incentive for you to be as i crisp as possible and that goes for the questions _ crisp as possible and that goes for the questions as _ crisp as possible and that goes for the questions as well, _ crisp as possible and that goes fori the questions as well, colleagues. we will— the questions as well, colleagues. we will start — the questions as well, colleagues. we will start on _ the questions as well, colleagues. we will start on the _ the questions as well, colleagues. we will start on the topic - the questions as well, colleagues. we will start on the topic of - we will start on the topic of ukraine _ we will start on the topic of ukraine with _ we will start on the topic of ukraine with the _ we will start on the topic of ukraine with the chair- we will start on the topic of ukraine with the chair of. we will start on the topic of| ukraine with the chair of the foreign— ukraine with the chair of the foreign affairs _ ukraine with the chair of the foreign affairs committee. ukraine with the chair of the i foreign affairs committee. the alliance that _ foreign affairs committee. the alliance that has _ foreign affairs committee. alliance that has been brought together to dissuade russia from further— together to dissuade russia from further action and indeed to push russia _ further action and indeed to push russia out— further action and indeed to push russia out of donetsk and luhansk has clearly — russia out of donetsk and luhansk has clearly got a window of opportunity before the winter begins to bite _ opportunity before the winter begins to bite and the coalition fractures as energy— to bite and the coalition fractures as energy prices in europe rise in homes _ as energy prices in europe rise in homes across the continent, can you concentrate — homes across the continent, can you concentrate on building that alliance _ concentrate on building that alliance at the moment? yes. if you look at what — alliance at the moment? yes. if you look at what the _ alliance at the moment? yes. if you look at what the uk _ alliance at the moment? yes. if you look at what the uk has _ alliance at the moment? yes. if you look at what the uk has done - alliance at the moment? yes. if you look at what the uk has done over l look at what the uk has done over the last— look at what the uk has done over the last couple _ look at what the uk has done over the last couple of— look at what the uk has done over the last couple of weeks, - look at what the uk has done over the last couple of weeks, i- look at what the uk has done over the last couple of weeks, i think. the last couple of weeks, i think the last couple of weeks, i think the efforts— the last couple of weeks, i think the efforts of— the last couple of weeks, i think the efforts of uk _ the last couple of weeks, i think the efforts of uk diplomacy - the last couple of weeks, i think the efforts of uk diplomacy and | the last couple of weeks, i think. the efforts of uk diplomacy and uk

strategists — the efforts of uk diplomacy and uk strategists and _ the efforts of uk diplomacy and uk strategists and security— the efforts of uk diplomacy and uk strategists and security forces - the efforts of uk diplomacy and uk| strategists and security forces have been considerable _ strategists and security forces have been considerable and _ strategists and security forces have been considerable and the - strategists and security forces have been considerable and the g7 - been considerable and the g7 outcomes— been considerable and the g7 outcomes were _ been considerable and the g7 outcomes were at _ been considerable and the g7 outcomes were at the - been considerable and the g7 outcomes were at the upper. been considerable and the g7 i outcomes were at the upper end been considerable and the g7 - outcomes were at the upper end of expectations — outcomes were at the upper end of expectations. nato, _ outcomes were at the upper end of expectations. nato, again, - outcomes were at the upper end of expectations. nato, again, both. expectations. nato, again, both exceeded — expectations. nato, again, both exceeded expectations- expectations. nato, again, both exceeded expectations in- expectations. nato, again, both exceeded expectations in the i expectations. nato, again, both. exceeded expectations in the level of unity— exceeded expectations in the level of unity and — exceeded expectations in the level of unity and virtually _ exceeded expectations in the level of unity and virtually every - exceeded expectations in the level of unity and virtually every countryi of unity and virtually every country around _ of unity and virtually every country around the — of unity and virtually every country around the table _ of unity and virtually every country around the table at _ of unity and virtually every country around the table at nato _ of unity and virtually every country . around the table at nato determined to help _ around the table at nato determined to help president _ around the table at nato determined to help president zelensky_ around the table at nato determined to help president zelensky in - around the table at nato determined to help president zelensky in that i to help president zelensky in that window— to help president zelensky in that window of— to help president zelensky in that window of opportunity _ to help president zelensky in that window of opportunity you - to help president zelensky in that. window of opportunity you described. food prices— window of opportunity you described. food prices are — window of opportunity you described. food prices are rising _ window of opportunity you described. food prices are rising around - window of opportunity you described. food prices are rising around the - food prices are rising around the world _ food prices are rising around the world because _ food prices are rising around the world because the _ food prices are rising around the world because the ports- food prices are rising around the world because the ports of- food prices are rising around the| world because the ports of odesa food prices are rising around the - world because the ports of odesa are closed _ world because the ports of odesa are closed and _ world because the ports of odesa are closed and occupied _ world because the ports of odesa are closed and occupied so _ world because the ports of odesa are closed and occupied so what - world because the ports of odesa are closed and occupied so what are - world because the ports of odesa are closed and occupied so what are you i closed and occupied so what are you doing _ closed and occupied so what are you doing to _ closed and occupied so what are you doing to make — closed and occupied so what are you doing to make sure _ closed and occupied so what are you doing to make sure the _ closed and occupied so what are you doing to make sure the food - closed and occupied so what are you doing to make sure the food is - doing to make sure the food is getting — doing to make sure the food is getting out— doing to make sure the food is getting out from _ doing to make sure the food is getting out from the _ doing to make sure the food is getting out from the black - doing to make sure the food is getting out from the black sea doing to make sure the food is - getting out from the black sea and that the _ getting out from the black sea and that the wheat _ getting out from the black sea and that the wheat is _ getting out from the black sea and that the wheat is available - getting out from the black sea and that the wheat is available and - getting out from the black sea and | that the wheat is available and able to get— that the wheat is available and able to get out? — that the wheat is available and able to get out? what _ that the wheat is available and able to get out? what are _ that the wheat is available and able to get out? what are you _ that the wheat is available and able to get out? what are you doing - that the wheat is available and able to get out? what are you doing to i to get out? what are you doing to prepare _ to get out? what are you doing to prepare those _ to get out? what are you doing to prepare those states _ to get out? what are you doing to prepare those states including - to get out? what are you doing to| prepare those states including the middle _ prepare those states including the middle east— prepare those states including the middle east and _ prepare those states including the middle east and africa _ prepare those states including the middle east and africa who - prepare those states including the middle east and africa who are - middle east and africa who are facing — middle east and africa who are facing enormous _ middle east and africa who are facing enormous food - middle east and africa who are facing enormous food poverty. middle east and africa who are . facing enormous food poverty and middle east and africa who are - facing enormous food poverty and the possibility— facing enormous food poverty and the possibility of — facing enormous food poverty and the possibility of migration _ facing enormous food poverty and the possibility of migration and _ facing enormous food poverty and the possibility of migration and the - possibility of migration and the pressures— possibility of migration and the pressures that _ possibility of migration and the pressures that would _ possibility of migration and the pressures that would cause? i possibility of migration and the l pressures that would cause? on possibility of migration and the pressures that would cause? on the food bein: pressures that would cause? on the food being held _ pressures that would cause? on the food being held hostage _ pressures that would cause? on the food being held hostage in - pressures that would cause? on the food being held hostage in odesa, . pressures that would cause? on the i food being held hostage in odesa, we are working with the un

secretary—general who is leading the negotiations and the turks are clearly crucial and they hold the waters and what the uk is offering is both de—mining capabilities including remote capabilities which we are good at and the assurance of the vessels that might be used to ferry the rain out through the bosporus and we are also —— the grain. we are also looking at other routes and we are doing what we can to help smaller packets of grain go through [and routes or indeed up the river, the danube, and out that way, and we are spending money on upgrading the railways to that end. and we're starting to see some growing quantities grain coming out

not by the black sea but by land. we are seeing enormous pressure on the weaponry— are seeing enormous pressure on the weaponry that — are seeing enormous pressure on the weaponry that goes _ are seeing enormous pressure on the weaponry that goes into _ are seeing enormous pressure on the weaponry that goes into ukraine, - are seeing enormous pressure on the weaponry that goes into ukraine, a l weaponry that goes into ukraine, a lot of— weaponry that goes into ukraine, a lot of promises _ weaponry that goes into ukraine, a lot of promises and _ weaponry that goes into ukraine, a lot of promises and fewer- weaponry that goes into ukraine, ai lot of promises and fewer deliveries from many— lot of promises and fewer deliveries from many countries _ lot of promises and fewer deliveries from many countries compared - lot of promises and fewer deliveries from many countries compared to l lot of promises and fewer deliveries . from many countries compared to what they have _ from many countries compared to what they have promised, _ from many countries compared to what they have promised, what _ from many countries compared to what they have promised, what are - from many countries compared to what they have promised, what are you - they have promised, what are you doing _ they have promised, what are you doing in— they have promised, what are you doing in terms— they have promised, what are you doing in terms of— they have promised, what are you doing in terms of armaments - they have promised, what are you doing in terms of armaments and | doing in terms of armaments and weapons. — doing in terms of armaments and weapons. to— doing in terms of armaments and weapons, to increase _ doing in terms of armaments and weapons, to increase the - doing in terms of armaments and | weapons, to increase the supply? doing in terms of armaments and - weapons, to increase the supply? the uk led the weapons, to increase the supply? uk led the way in inaugurating the conference which brought countries together to supply weaponry to ukraine and although the americans are very much in the lead on that and are providing the bulk of what is going in, and will be doing more in august as the copenhagen conference as i'm sure you know, and another military donor conference, the supplies continue to go in and

the supplies continue to go in and the ukrainians are steadily getting the ukrainians are steadily getting the kit they need and if they are going to expel the russians from where they are but it is also important they are trained to use the multi—launch rocket systems effectively because very expensive weaponry will then be good to put —— will then be put to good use for top victory in ukraine means— victory in ukraine means taking every square — victory in ukraine means taking every square of _ victory in ukraine means taking every square of soil— victory in ukraine means taking every square of soil of- victory in ukraine means taking | every square of soil of ukrainian territory. — every square of soil of ukrainian territory. what _ every square of soil of ukrainian territory, what is _ every square of soil of ukrainian territory, what is your— every square of soil of ukrainian territory, what is your view- every square of soil of ukrainian territory, what is your view of. territory, what is your view of that? — territory, what is your view of that? , , ., , territory, what is your view of that? , , .,, , territory, what is your view of that? , .,, , ., that? president zelensky has set out his ambitions — that? president zelensky has set out his ambitions and _ that? president zelensky has set out his ambitions and it _ that? president zelensky has set out his ambitions and it will _ that? president zelensky has set out his ambitions and it will ultimately . his ambitions and it will ultimately be for him to decide what the terms that he wants but he has been very clear that he would like to return at least to the status quo of every 24. . ., , y ., at least to the status quo of every 24. . . , y ., ., at least to the status quo of every 24. what is your view that victory for us should _ 24. what is your view that victory for us should look— 24. what is your view that victory

for us should look like? -- - 24. what is your view that victory . for us should look like? -- february 24. for us should look like? -- february 24- victory — for us should look like? -- february 24- victory for— for us should look like? -- february 24. victory for the _ for us should look like? -- february 24. victory for the ukrainians - for us should look like? -- february 24. victory for the ukrainians would i 24. victory for the ukrainians would be a result that the ukrainian people feel is the right one and at the moment i think i'm right in saying that 90% of ukrainians believe passionately that there should be no deal that involves land for peace and they want the russians expel from every part of the territory that vladimir putin has invaded. �* , ., territory that vladimir putin has invaded. �* ,~. _, territory that vladimir putin has invaded. �* , ., .., ., invaded. are you confident of holdin: invaded. are you confident of holding the — invaded. are you confident of holding the nato _ invaded. are you confident of holding the nato agreementl invaded. are you confident of. holding the nato agreement and invaded. are you confident of- holding the nato agreement and the european _ holding the nato agreement and the european and — holding the nato agreement and the european and american _ holding the nato agreement and the european and american agreement. european and american agreement together— european and american agreement together in— european and american agreement together in making _ european and american agreement together in making sure _ european and american agreement together in making sure the - together in making sure the coalition— together in making sure the coalition sustains— together in making sure the coalition sustains the - together in making sure the - coalition sustains the ukrainians? what _ coalition sustains the ukrainians? what was — coalition sustains the ukrainians? what was notable _ coalition sustains the ukrainians? what was notable in _ coalition sustains the ukrainians? what was notable in madrid - coalition sustains the ukrainians? what was notable in madrid was i coalition sustains the ukrainians? i what was notable in madrid was how anxieties about the viability of the coalition were proven to be unfounded and that is because the logic of the situation simply demands international unity and there is no other solution and no deal on offer. even if the ukrainians wanted to do a deal of

land for peace, vladimir putin is not offering any such deal and he still remains utterly maximalist in his objectives and that is why we have got to continue to support president zelensky in the way we are. ., ., y ., president zelensky in the way we are. ., ., ,., .., ., are. part of your commitment to sustaining _ are. part of your commitment to sustaining ukrainian _ are. part of your commitment to sustaining ukrainian operations. are. part of your commitment to | sustaining ukrainian operations is you have — sustaining ukrainian operations is you have increased _ sustaining ukrainian operations is you have increased military- sustaining ukrainian operations is. you have increased military spending to 25% _ you have increased military spending to 25% and — you have increased military spending to 25% and given— you have increased military spending to 2.5% and given that _ you have increased military spending to 2.5% and given that it _ you have increased military spending to 2.5% and given that it has - you have increased military spending to 2.5% and given that it has been i to 2.5% and given that it has been seen _ to 2.5% and given that it has been seen there — to 2.5% and given that it has been seen there will— to 2.5% and given that it has been seen there will be _ to 2.5% and given that it has been seen there will be no _ to 2.5% and given that it has been seen there will be no growth - to 2.5% and given that it has been seen there will be no growth in. to 2.5% and given that it has beeni seen there will be no growth in the next few— seen there will be no growth in the next few years. _ seen there will be no growth in the next few years, who _ seen there will be no growth in the next few years, who are _ seen there will be no growth in the next few years, who are you - seen there will be no growth in the next few years, who are you going | seen there will be no growth in the . next few years, who are you going to be taking _ next few years, who are you going to be taking the — next few years, who are you going to be taking the money— next few years, who are you going to be taking the money off _ next few years, who are you going to be taking the money off in _ next few years, who are you going to be taking the money off in the - next few years, who are you going to be taking the money off in the next i be taking the money off in the next defence _ be taking the money off in the next defence spending _ be taking the money off in the next defence spending budget? - be taking the money off in the next defence spending budget? i’nt - be taking the money off in the next defence spending budget?— defence spending budget? i'm not sure i agree _ defence spending budget? i'm not sure i agree with _ defence spending budget? i'm not sure i agree with your _ defence spending budget? i'm not sure i agree with your premise - defence spending budget? i'm not i sure i agree with your premise about the growth of the uk economy in the coming years and if you look at the economists in later sections in the imf and the oecd, they see us as going back to at or near the top of the growth league. that going back to at or near the top of the growth league.— the growth league. that is a percentage _ the growth league. that is a percentage rather _ the growth league. that is a percentage rather than - the growth league. that is a - percentage rather than absolute. sure _ percentage rather than absolute.

sure i_ percentage rather than absolute. sure ithink— percentage rather than absolute. sure. i think the _ percentage rather than absolute. sure. i think the 2.5— percentage rather than absolute. sure. i think the 2.5 is— percentage rather than absolute. sure. i think the 2.5 is a - sure. i think the 2.5 is a prediction, based on the reasonable assumption that we are going to have to continue with the investments we are making in the future combat system and the agreements with the australians and the americans, these are very big projects and they will be expensive but they are the right things for the country. the be expensive but they are the right things for the country.— things for the country. the last auestion things for the country. the last question from _ things for the country. the last question from me _ things for the country. the last question from me is _ things for the country. the last question from me is on - things for the country. the last| question from me is on sweden things for the country. the last - question from me is on sweden and finland _ question from me is on sweden and finland and — question from me is on sweden and finland and clearly _ question from me is on sweden and finland and clearly their— question from me is on sweden and . finland and clearly their membership of nato _ finland and clearly their membership of nato is _ finland and clearly their membership of nato is an— finland and clearly their membership of nato is an important— finland and clearly their membership of nato is an important event- finland and clearly their membership of nato is an important event and - of nato is an important event and what _ of nato is an important event and what are — of nato is an important event and what are the _ of nato is an important event and what are the implications - of nato is an important event and what are the implications for - of nato is an important event and what are the implications for the i what are the implications for the integrity— what are the implications for the integrity of — what are the implications for the integrity of the _ what are the implications for the integrity of the uk _ what are the implications for the integrity of the uk and _ what are the implications for the integrity of the uk and scotland i what are the implications for the l integrity of the uk and scotland as part of— integrity of the uk and scotland as part of that — integrity of the uk and scotland as part of that in _ integrity of the uk and scotland as part of that in terms _ integrity of the uk and scotland as part of that in terms of _ integrity of the uk and scotland as part of that in terms of the - part of that in terms of the alliance _ part of that in terms of the alliance and _ part of that in terms of the alliance and what - part of that in terms of the alliance and what are - part of that in terms of the alliance and what are the i alliance and what are the commitments— alliance and what are the commitments that - alliance and what are the commitments that the i alliance and what are the i commitments that the uk alliance and what are the . commitments that the uk is alliance and what are the - commitments that the uk is willing to make _ commitments that the uk is willing to make to— commitments that the uk is willing to make to increase _ commitments that the uk is willing to make to increase cooperation. commitments that the uk is willing i to make to increase cooperation with sweden _ to make to increase cooperation with sweden and — to make to increase cooperation with sweden and finland _ to make to increase cooperation with sweden and finland not _ to make to increase cooperation with sweden and finland notjust- to make to increase cooperation with sweden and finland notjust in- sweden and finland notjust in military— sweden and finland notjust in military supplies _ sweden and finland notjust in military supplies but _ sweden and finland notjust in military supplies but also - sweden and finland notjust in military supplies but also in i military supplies but also in training? _ military supplies but also in trainin: ? ~ military supplies but also in traininu? ~ ., ., , ., ., military supplies but also in trainin? ., ., , .,., ., ., training? we already do a lot of cooperating _

training? we already do a lot of cooperating with _ training? we already do a lot of cooperating with the _ training? we already do a lot of cooperating with the joint - cooperating with the joint expeditionary force, that is up there in the high north, as you know, and the addition of finland and sweden is a great moment for the alliance and it will strengthen the alliance and it will strengthen the alliance and it tells you all you need to know about vladimir putin and his aggression that countries as peaceable as sweden and finland have decided to join nato. peaceable as sweden and finland have decided tojoin nato. thahk peaceable as sweden and finland have decided to join nato._ decided to 'oin nato. thank you. we are decided to join nato. thank you. we are establishing _ decided to join nato. thank you. we are establishing that _ decided to join nato. thank you. we are establishing that the _ decided to join nato. thank you. we are establishing that the world - decided to join nato. thank you. we are establishing that the world is . are establishing that the world is getting _ are establishing that the world is getting more dangerous and the next decade _ getting more dangerous and the next decade will be very bumpy indeed and i want _ decade will be very bumpy indeed and i want to— decade will be very bumpy indeed and i want to focus on uk defence capabilities, and despite the injection of £24 billion, the tilt towards — injection of £24 billion, the tilt towards cyber and space, which is well. _ towards cyber and space, which is well. but — towards cyber and space, which is well, but this has come at the expense — well, but this has come at the expense of cuts to the three traditional services, and you boldly stated _ traditional services, and you boldly stated that tanks are not the answer to the _ stated that tanks are not the answer to the defence of ukraine but the old concepts of tank battles on european landmass are over. do you

now recognise the value of tanks as part of— now recognise the value of tanks as part of the — now recognise the value of tanks as part of the land now recognise the value of tanks as part of the [and warfare mix and plans— part of the [and warfare mix and plans to — part of the [and warfare mix and plans to reduce our tank numbers now need to— plans to reduce our tank numbers now need to be _ plans to reduce our tank numbers now need to be reviewed?— need to be reviewed? thank you very much. it need to be reviewed? thank you very much- it is — need to be reviewed? thank you very much. it is important _ need to be reviewed? thank you very much. it is important for _ need to be reviewed? thank you very much. it is important for the - need to be reviewed? thank you very much. it is important for the uk - need to be reviewed? thank you very much. it is important for the uk to i much. it is important for the uk to have tanks but for ukrainian purposes even more valuable were anti—tank weapons and if you look at what changed the course of the first few weeks of the war it was the anti—tank weapons like the javelins that were used to destroy the tanks and made russia's tank warfare extremely difficult and you will have seen that. t extremely difficult and you will have seen that.— extremely difficult and you will have seen that. i don't disagree with that but _ have seen that. i don't disagree with that but what _ have seen that. i don't disagree with that but what i'm - have seen that. i don't disagree with that but what i'm saying . have seen that. i don't disagree with that but what i'm saying is| with that but what i'm saying is that the — with that but what i'm saying is that the defence budget that will actually — that the defence budget that will actually go down by £1 billion in 2023. _ actually go down by £1 billion in 2023, 2024, according to library figures. — 2023, 2024, according to library figures, we have stockpiles which

are being — figures, we have stockpiles which are being depleted and we are short of deep—fried capabilities and rocket — of deep—fried capabilities and rocket artillery, air defence and hypersonic, so this is where the character— hypersonic, so this is where the character of conflict is moving and we need _ character of conflict is moving and we need to— character of conflict is moving and we need to invest more including in those _ we need to invest more including in those tanks — we need to invest more including in those tanks which we are cutting by a third _ those tanks which we are cutting by a third and — those tanks which we are cutting by a third and indeed the fighting vehicles — a third and indeed the fighting vehicles. we have no capability for dismounted infantry because we are cutting _ dismounted infantry because we are cutting the warrior fleet. could i be- cutting the warrior fleet. could i beg with — cutting the warrior fleet. could i beg with the prime minister to reconsider the army numbers? with his new— reconsider the army numbers? with his new chancellor, could you look at security— his new chancellor, could you look at security £40 million required to reverse _ at security £40 million required to reverse the — at security £40 million required to reverse the cuts in the army manpower? | reverse the cuts in the army manpower?— reverse the cuts in the army manower? ., ., , ,, ., manpower? i want to stress that we value immensely _ manpower? i want to stress that we value immensely the _ manpower? i want to stress that we value immensely the armed - manpower? i want to stress that we value immensely the armed forces| manpower? i want to stress that we . value immensely the armed forces and the numbers of troops and if you include the reserves they are in fact over 100,000 73,000 regular army plus 30,000 reserves but it is also important that, and i heard the

points that people like general sign dismayed, but the important thing is to have the best possible equipment —— general sign does made. —— general saunders made. that is what we are doing. we general saunders made. that is what we are doing-— we are doing. we are losing a third of our tanks _ we are doing. we are losing a third of our tanks and _ we are doing. we are losing a third of our tanks and a _ we are doing. we are losing a third of our tanks and a third _ we are doing. we are losing a third of our tanks and a third of- we are doing. we are losing a third of our tanks and a third of our- of our tanks and a third of our warrior— of our tanks and a third of our warrior vehicles and decimating our land warrior vehicles and decimating our [and warfare capability and in the ref we _ [and warfare capability and in the ref we are down from 36 squadrons in the gulf— ref we are down from 36 squadrons in the gulf war— ref we are down from 36 squadrons in the gulf war tojust six —— raf. we only have _ the gulf war tojust six —— raf. we only have 48 — the gulf war tojust six —— raf. we only have 48 of 138 f 35s and we are losing _ only have 48 of 138 f 35s and we are losing two _ only have 48 of 138 f 35s and we are losing two of the e—7 aircraft which are critical— losing two of the e—7 aircraft which are critical to working with the f 35s and — are critical to working with the f 35s and we _ are critical to working with the f 35s and we now have just 18 destroys _ 35s and we now have just 18 destroys. we are hollowing out the armed _ destroys. we are hollowing out the armed forces at the very time that as you _ armed forces at the very time that as you mention, the head of the army is saying _

as you mention, the head of the army is saying we _ as you mention, the head of the army is saying we face a 1937 moment and this is saying we face a1937 moment and this is— is saying we face a 1937 moment and this is the _ is saying we face a 1937 moment and this is the time to be investing in our armed — this is the time to be investing in our armed forces are not depleting our armed forces are not depleting our capability. that our armed forces are not depleting our capability-— our capability. that is why we are sendin: our capability. that is why we are spending £24 _ our capability. that is why we are spending £24 billion _ our capability. that is why we are spending £24 billion over - our capability. that is why we are spending £24 billion over the - our capability. that is why we are | spending £24 billion over the next four years, the biggest increase since the end of the cold war, and i think that money is being wisely spent. think that money is being wisely sent. ., ., , ., ., , think that money is being wisely sent. ., ., , ., i, spent. that money has already been sent. it spent. that money has already been spent- it has — spent. that money has already been spent. it has gone _ spent. that money has already been spent. it has gone to _ spent. that money has already been spent. it has gone to invest - spent. that money has already been spent. it has gone to invest in - spent. it has gone to invest in paying — spent. it has gone to invest in paying for— spent. it has gone to invest in paying for the _ spent. it has gone to invest in paying for the replacement i spent. it has gone to invest in paying for the replacement of| spent. it has gone to invest in. paying for the replacement of the vanguard — paying for the replacement of the vanguard submarines _ paying for the replacement of the vanguard submarines and - paying for the replacement of the vanguard submarines and the - paying for the replacement of the - vanguard submarines and the money did not— vanguard submarines and the money did not even— vanguard submarines and the money did not even hit— vanguard submarines and the money did not even hit the _ vanguard submarines and the money did not even hit the sides, _ vanguard submarines and the money did not even hit the sides, that- vanguard submarines and the money did not even hit the sides, that is- did not even hit the sides, that is where _ did not even hit the sides, that is where it— did not even hit the sides, that is where it was— did not even hit the sides, that is where it was needed _ did not even hit the sides, that is where it was needed to _ did not even hit the sides, that is where it was needed to make - did not even hit the sides, that is. where it was needed to make sure that programme _ where it was needed to make sure that programme allowed - where it was needed to make sure that programme allowed us- where it was needed to make sure that programme allowed us to - that programme allowed us to continue — that programme allowed us to continue our— that programme allowed us to continue our nuclear— that programme allowed us to| continue our nuclear deterrent. that programme allowed us to . continue our nuclear deterrent. i continue our nuclear deterrent. understand but we are also continue our nuclear deterrent]- understand but we are also committed to a number of massive projects and you mentioned heavy—lift aircraft and i think we are still by far the biggest possessor of heavy—lift aircraft in europe. on ships, we have a very active shipbuilding

programme, and i take your point humbly and sincerely and i will take it away and look at this, look at the armoured personnel carriers and vehicles, they have been useful to the ukrainians, especially the armoured vehicles, but the committee should be in no doubt we are investing massively in defence. t investing massively in defence. i hear what you say but you are a classicist — hear what you say but you are a classicist and your response is making — classicist and your response is making me feel like sandra, i say we should _ making me feel like sandra, i say we should prepare for the storm clouds coming _ should prepare for the storm clouds coming over the horizon but you say we don't _ coming over the horizon but you say we don't need to worry about that —— to sandra _ we don't need to worry about that —— to sandra i— we don't need to worry about that —— to sandra. i say that we need to reverse — to sandra. i say that we need to reverse these cuts in our land to sandra. i say that we need to reverse these cuts in our [and wore fair systems — reverse these cuts in our [and wore fair systems and our planes but you still don't _ fair systems and our planes but you still don't believe me —— land still don't believe me —— [and warfare — still don't believe me —— [and warfare systems. the uk must play its part. _

warfare systems. the uk must play its part, there's a gap in leadership in europe and i want us to assume — leadership in europe and i want us to assume that role but we can only do so _ to assume that role but we can only do so if— to assume that role but we can only do so if we — to assume that role but we can only do so if we prepare today and advance — do so if we prepare today and advance our defence capability. | advance our defence capability. i think advance our defence capability. think you advance our defence capability. i think you should have been at advance our defence capability. t think you should have been at nato to listen... t think you should have been at nato to listen---_ think you should have been at nato to listen. . .— one . to listen... i wasn't invited. one da , to listen... i wasn't invited. one day. one — to listen... i wasn't invited. one day. one day- — to listen... i wasn't invited. one day. one day- to _ to listen... i wasn't invited. one day, one day. to listen - to listen... i wasn't invited. one day, one day. to listen to - to listen... i wasn't invited. one day, one day. to listen to what l to listen... iwasn't invited. one . day, one day. to listen to what the other countries say about the uk contribution and the indispensability of uk armed forces, and our contribution to nato's new force model and the role we play but we have the second biggest spender in nato and a massive contributor to all the joint operations and i think jens stoltenberg, the secretary—general, would it testify that. i do understand the need for more spending on defence but it has to be balanced against other priorities. to be balanced against other priorities-— to be balanced against other priorities. invest in the troop numbers- — priorities. invest in the troop numbers. can _

priorities. invest in the troop numbers. can i— priorities. invest in the troop numbers. can i press - priorities. invest in the troop numbers. can i press one . priorities. invest in the troop - numbers. can i press one matter, we have given _ numbers. can i press one matter, we have given away — numbers. can i press one matter, we have given away our _ numbers. can i press one matter, we have given away our training - numbers. can i press one matter, we have given away our training stocks i have given away our training stocks of munitions — have given away our training stocks of munitions to _ have given away our training stocks of munitions to the _ have given away our training stocks of munitions to the ukrainians, - what are we doing to galvanise the supply chain back to _ what are we doing to galvanise the supply chain back to a _ what are we doing to galvanise the supply chain back to a wartime - supply chain back to a wartime capability— supply chain back to a wartime capability that _ supply chain back to a wartime capability that would _ supply chain back to a wartime capability that would provide i capability that would provide resilience _ capability that would provide resilience of— capability that would provide resilience of stocks - capability that would provide resilience of stocks becausel capability that would provide i resilience of stocks because at capability that would provide - resilience of stocks because at the moment— resilience of stocks because at the moment we — resilience of stocks because at the moment we simply— resilience of stocks because at the moment we simply can't _ resilience of stocks because at the moment we simply can't replace i resilience of stocks because at the - moment we simply can't replace those stocks? _ moment we simply can't replace those stocks? li— moment we simply can't replace those stocks? , ., ., ., ~' moment we simply can't replace those stocks? , ., ., ., ~ ., ., , stocks? if you look at what is happening — stocks? if you look at what is happening in _ stocks? if you look at what is happening in belfast, - stocks? if you look at what is happening in belfast, they. happening in belfast, they are making a lot of them.- happening in belfast, they are making a lot of them. i am not replacing _ making a lot of them. i am not replacing as far as we - replacing as far as we are giving awa . . , , replacing as far as we are giving awa . ., , , ., away. that is true, but we are replacing _ away. that is true, but we are replacing them. _ away. that is true, but we are replacing them. this - away. that is true, but we are replacing them. this goes - away. that is true, but we are replacing them. this goes to l away. that is true, but we are i replacing them. this goes to the heart of the _ replacing them. this goes to the heart of the integrated - replacing them. this goes to the heart of the integrated review i replacing them. this goes to the . heart of the integrated review which was very— heart of the integrated review which was very good — heart of the integrated review which was very good on— heart of the integrated review which was very good on analysis _ heart of the integrated review which was very good on analysis and - was very good on analysis and requirement— was very good on analysis and requirement but— was very good on analysis and requirement but we _ was very good on analysis and requirement but we are - was very good on analysis and requirement but we are only. was very good on analysis and . requirement but we are only two pages _ requirement but we are only two pages on — requirement but we are only two pages on the _ requirement but we are only two pages on the implementation. . requirement but we are only two . pages on the implementation. what are we _ pages on the implementation. what are we going — pages on the implementation. what are we going to— pages on the implementation. what are we going to do— pages on the implementation. what are we going to do to _ pages on the implementation. what are we going to do to make - pages on the implementation. what are we going to do to make sure - pages on the implementation. what are we going to do to make sure wel are we going to do to make sure we implement— are we going to do to make sure we implement the _ are we going to do to make sure we implement the defence _ are we going to do to make sure we implement the defence integrated i implement the defence integrated review— implement the defence integrated review so— implement the defence integrated review so we — implement the defence integrated review so we actually— implement the defence integrated review so we actually have - implement the defence integrated review so we actually have the - review so we actually have the capability— review so we actually have the capability ready _ review so we actually have the capability ready when - review so we actually have the capability ready when we - review so we actually have the . capability ready when we needed because — capability ready when we needed because at— capability ready when we needed because at the _ capability ready when we needed because at the we _ capability ready when we needed because at the we don't? - capability ready when we needed because at the we don't? we - capability ready when we needed because at the we don't?- because at the we don't? we are su -l in: because at the we don't? we are suwlying a _ because at the we don't? we are supplying a huge _ because at the we don't? we are supplying a huge amount - because at the we don't? we are supplying a huge amount of- supplying a huge amount of capability and i accept the view that we need to modernise and do

more and more munitions are rolling off the production line in belfast. is it time to review aspects of the integrated — is it time to review aspects of the integrated review? | is it time to review aspects of the integrated review?— integrated review? i think that review has _ integrated review? i think that review has stood _ integrated review? i think that review has stood the - integrated review? i think that review has stood the test - integrated review? i think that review has stood the test of i integrated review? i think that i review has stood the test of time well. i'm happy to take up that later. �* , ~ , , —— angus mcneil. a few years ago i was comparing your predecessor— a few years ago i was comparing your predecessor to gloria gaynor, i will survive. _ predecessor to gloria gaynor, i will survive. but — predecessor to gloria gaynor, i will survive, but can you remember who that was? _ survive, but can you remember who that was? it— survive, but can you remember who that was? ., , �* survive, but can you remember who that was? . , �* ., , survive, but can you remember who that was?— itl that was? it was... i'm not sure. it was yourself- — that was? it was... i'm not sure. it was yourself. but _ that was? it was... i'm not sure. it was yourself. but it _ that was? it was... i'm not sure. it was yourself. but it sounds - that was? it was... i'm not sure. it was yourself. but it sounds like i that was? it was... i'm not sure. it| was yourself. but it sounds like you are more _ was yourself. but it sounds like you are more people young and not gloria

gaynor, _ are more people young and not gloria gaynor, that— are more people young and not gloria gaynor, that you are more full we hear that you might call a general— we hear that you might call a general election but the point of clarification that some of us have had in _ clarification that some of us have had in light of the power is being taken _ had in light of the power is being taken away from the fixed term act, do you _ taken away from the fixed term act, do you need — taken away from the fixed term act, do you need to inform the queen to hold an _ do you need to inform the queen to hold an election? | do you need to inform the queen to hold an election?— hold an election? i really don't think that _ hold an election? i really don't think that anybody _ hold an election? i really don't think that anybody in - hold an election? i really don't think that anybody in this i hold an election? i really don't i think that anybody in this country wants politicians to be engaged in electioneering. flan wants politicians to be engaged in electioneering.— wants politicians to be engaged in electioneering. can you answer the cuestion? electioneering. can you answer the question? we _ electioneering. can you answer the question? we need _ electioneering. can you answer the question? we need to _ electioneering. can you answer the question? we need to get - electioneering. can you answer the question? we need to get on i electioneering. can you answer the question? we need to get on with| question? we need to get on with servin: question? we need to get on with serving the _ question? we need to get on with serving the voters _ question? we need to get on with serving the voters and _ question? we need to get on with serving the voters and dealing i question? we need to get on with| serving the voters and dealing with theissues serving the voters and dealing with the issues they care about. we have had some difficulty _ the issues they care about. we have had some difficulty in _ the issues they care about. we have had some difficulty in the _ had some difficulty in the international trade committee with the triggering of the process to bring _ the triggering of the process to bring about this in parliament and we are _ bring about this in parliament and we are looking for an extension of this trut—

we are looking for an extension of this but also, brexit is a 5% damage to gdp_ this but also, brexit is a 5% damage to gdp in— this but also, brexit is a 5% damage to gdp in these trade agreements you are signing _ to gdp in these trade agreements you are signing up to our a minor part, 0.8%. _ are signing up to our a minor part, 0~8%. the— are signing up to our a minor part, 0.8%, the equivalent to going out and losing — 0.8%, the equivalent to going out and losing £500 and coming back with £8 or even— and losing £500 and coming back with £8 or even £2, and thinking you have done _ £8 or even £2, and thinking you have done wett~ _ £8 or even £2, and thinking you have done wett~ ts — £8 or even £2, and thinking you have done well. is the brexit process and the trade _ done well. is the brexit process and the trade agreement process are good for the _ the trade agreement process are good for the economy given what your own figures _ for the economy given what your own figures are _ for the economy given what your own figures are saying? yes, for the economy given what your own figures are saying?— figures are saying? yes, i think they are- _ figures are saying? yes, i think they are- if— figures are saying? yes, i think they are. if you _ figures are saying? yes, i think they are. if you lose _ figures are saying? yes, i think they are. if you lose £500 i figures are saying? yes, i think they are. if you lose £500 andl figures are saying? yes, i think. they are. if you lose £500 and get £8, ou they are. if you lose £500 and get £8. you are _ they are. if you lose £500 and get £8, you are having _ they are. if you lose £500 and get £8, you are having a _ they are. if you lose £500 and get £8, you are having a good - they are. if you lose £500 and get £8, you are having a good day? it| £8, you are having a good day? [it was £8, you are having a good day? was the £8, you are having a good day? it was the ability to set our own medicines policy that enabled us to come out... to vaccinate everybody. every country has done that. come on. every country has done that. come on i'm _ every country has done that. come on. i'm asking you an economic question — on. i'm asking you an economic question-— question. order, order. prime minister- _

question. order, order. prime minister. can _ question. order, order. prime minister. can you _ question. order, order. prime minister. can you answer- question. order, order. prime minister. can you answer the l minister. can you answer the question? — minister. can you answer the question? to _ minister. can you answer the question? to your— minister. can you answer the question? to your point, i minister. can you answer the question? to your point, mr| minister. can you answer the - question? to your point, mr mcneill, about the economic _ question? to your point, mr mcneill, about the economic benefits, - question? to your point, mr mcneill, about the economic benefits, just i about the economic benefits, just one in addition to the free trade deals we are making, i would point out that by being able to vaccinate faster than a lot of other, virtually every other european country. mr virtually every other european count . ~ n ., , virtually every other european count . ~ n ., if country. mr mcneill. carry on. if ou country. mr mcneill. carry on. if you can't— country. mr mcneill. carry on. if you can't see — country. mr mcneill. carry on. if you can't see the _ country. mr mcneill. carry on. if you can't see the difference i country. mr mcneill. carry on. if- you can't see the difference between £500 taken away and being out of pocket, _ £500 taken away and being out of pocket, we have got to leave that there _ pocket, we have got to leave that there are — pocket, we have got to leave that there are the public and make up their— there are the public and make up their own — there are the public and make up theirown mind. the there are the public and make up their own mind. the european geostationary navigational system is a 3d system for aircraft and we are the only— a 3d system for aircraft and we are the only system in the g20 without such a _ the only system in the g20 without such a facility, it will deal with

pilots. — such a facility, it will deal with pilots. as— such a facility, it will deal with pilots, as well, can you get the uk back into _ pilots, as well, can you get the uk back into the group quickly or have a equivalent 3d system in place soon? — a equivalent 3d system in place soon? ., , ., , a equivalent 3d system in place soon? . , . , , soon? that is a very interesting suggestion _ soon? that is a very interesting suggestion and _ soon? that is a very interesting suggestion and i will— soon? that is a very interesting suggestion and i will happily i soon? that is a very interesting i suggestion and i will happily look at that, and we do have a pioneering low earth orbit system of satellites which i'm sure you know. ihlat low earth orbit system of satellites which i'm sure you know.— which i'm sure you know. not used for aircraft — which i'm sure you know. not used for aircraft at _ which i'm sure you know. not used for aircraft at the _ which i'm sure you know. not used for aircraft at the moment. - which i'm sure you know. not used| for aircraft at the moment. perhaps ou can for aircraft at the moment. perhaps you can write _ for aircraft at the moment. perhaps you can write to _ for aircraft at the moment. perhaps you can write to us _ for aircraft at the moment. perhaps you can write to us on _ for aircraft at the moment. perhaps you can write to us on that. - for aircraft at the moment. perhaps you can write to us on that. you i for aircraft at the moment. perhaps you can write to us on that. you are a fan of the — you can write to us on that. you are a fan of the imperial _ you can write to us on that. you are a fan of the imperial system - you can write to us on that. you are a fan of the imperial system and i you can write to us on that. you are| a fan of the imperial system and you would _ a fan of the imperial system and you would like _ a fan of the imperial system and you would like imperial measures. if would like imperial measures. people would like imperial measures. if people want to have them, i don't think... ., ., , ., . , ., think... how many ounces in a pound? i was educated... _ think... how many ounces in a pound? i was educated... 16 _ think... how many ounces in a pound? i was educated... 16 ounces? - think... how many ounces in a pound? i was educated... 16 ounces? we i i was educated... 16 ounces? we can't hear _ i was educated... 16 ounces? we can't hear either of you, what you are saying — can't hear either of you, what you are saying in _ can't hear either of you, what you are saying-—

can't hear either of you, what you l are saying-_ i are saying. 16 ounces to a pound. i was educated _ are saying. 16 ounces to a pound. i was educated all— are saying. 16 ounces to a pound. i was educated all over _ are saying. 16 ounces to a pound. i was educated all over the - are saying. 16 ounces to a pound. i was educated all over the place i are saying. 16 ounces to a pound. i l was educated all over the place and i can do metric as well, put it that way. i can do metric as well, put it that wa . , ., ., , ., way. the uk is more adept at the metric system? _ way. the uk is more adept at the metric system? excellent. i- way. the uk is more adept at the metric system? excellent. ithink way. the uk is more adept at the i metric system? excellent. i think of metric system? excellent. i think of m weiaht metric system? excellent. i think of my weight in _ metric system? excellent. i think of my weight in stone, _ metric system? excellent. i think of my weight in stone, how— metric system? excellent. i think of my weight in stone, how about i metric system? excellent. i think of| my weight in stone, how about that? i can put your mind at rest, i heard mention— i can put your mind at rest, i heard mention of— i can put your mind at rest, i heard mention of sweden and finland and scotland _ mention of sweden and finland and scotland and no questions to ask about— scotland and no questions to ask about independence because it is not about independence because it is not a matter— about independence because it is not a matter for— about independence because it is not a matter for you, but for the people of scotland — a matter for you, but for the people of scotland and it will be decided in scotland. i think that is about all we _ in scotland. i think that is about all we need to discuss at the moment _ all we need to discuss at the moment. thank you.- all we need to discuss at the moment. thank you. thank you, mr mcneill. i would _ moment. thank you. thank you, mr mcneill. i would like _ moment. thank you. thank you, mr mcneill. i would like to _ moment. thank you. thank you, mr mcneill. i would like to go - moment. thank you. thank you, mr mcneill. i would like to go back- moment. thank you. thank you, mr mcneill. i would like to go back to l mcneill. i would like to go back to the to - ic mcneill. i would like to go back to the topic of— mcneill. i would like to go back to the topic of food _ mcneill. i would like to go back to the topic of food security - mcneill. i would like to go back to the topic of food security both i the topic of food security both gtohatty — the topic of food security both globally and nationally and globally it is a _ globally and nationally and globally it is a matter of whether people eat or starve _ it is a matter of whether people eat or starve and ashley it is having a impact _ or starve and ashley it is having a impact on — or starve and ashley it is having a impact on the cost of living crisis

—— nationally it is having. in terms of the _ —— nationally it is having. in terms of the supplies coming out of ukraine, _ of the supplies coming out of ukraine, the wheat surprise, given the weight— ukraine, the wheat surprise, given the weight that equipment in odesa could be _ the weight that equipment in odesa could be damaged by missiles —— given— could be damaged by missiles —— given the — could be damaged by missiles —— given the way. is it a realistic opportunity if there was a ceasefire, is there a possibility we could _ ceasefire, is there a possibility we could get— ceasefire, is there a possibility we could get the supplies out? what is ha enin: could get the supplies out? what is happening is _ could get the supplies out? what is happening is that — could get the supplies out? what is happening is that the _ could get the supplies out? what is happening is that the monthly i happening is that the monthly consignments of grain coming out of odesa are starting to go up and it should be about 5 million tonnes per month and i think it is the most recent numbers forjune it was running about 2.75 million tonnes so it is not nothing. you can get it out, notjust by the sea but also by land routes. the risk is, and i

think what the ukrainians are worried about, if they negotiate a deal with vladimir putin to get him to open up the black sea he will demand the lifting of sanctions in an unacceptable way. the government ublishes an unacceptable way. the government publishes its — an unacceptable way. the government publishes its food _ an unacceptable way. the government publishes its food strategy _ an unacceptable way. the government publishes its food strategy a _ an unacceptable way. the government publishes its food strategy a couple i publishes its food strategy a couple weeks _ publishes its food strategy a couple weeks ago which was widely welcomed and one _ weeks ago which was widely welcomed and one aspect of that was having more _ and one aspect of that was having more food — and one aspect of that was having more food for our own resources and the self—sufficiency, and about 75% of the _ the self—sufficiency, and about 75% of the food — the self—sufficiency, and about 75% of the food we can produce here is produced — of the food we can produce here is produced here, so given the global situation, — produced here, so given the global situation, do you think we should revisit— situation, do you think we should revisit things like rewilding and solar— revisit things like rewilding and solar farms on arable land and the planting _ solar farms on arable land and the planting of— solar farms on arable land and the planting of trees, or concentrate on food production at home? | planting of trees, or concentrate on food production at home?— food production at home? i share that enthusiasm _ food production at home? i share that enthusiasm and _ food production at home? i share that enthusiasm and the - food production at home? i share that enthusiasm and the food i that enthusiasm and the food strategy that we launched a few weeks ago certainly puts our domestic production at the heart of what we are trying to do and we have

74% self—sufficiency but there is an 7li% self—sufficiency but there is an opportunity and this will affect our balance of trade. personally i would like to see many more solar panels on rooms than in what could otherwise be productive fields and we need to think about the fiscal incentives we offer. fine we need to think about the fiscal incentives we offer.— we need to think about the fiscal incentives we offer. one of the key inuts incentives we offer. one of the key inputs into — incentives we offer. one of the key inputs into agriculture _ incentives we offer. one of the key inputs into agriculture is _ inputs into agriculture is fertilising we have one plant operating at billingham and a plant at cheshire has been closed and the owners— at cheshire has been closed and the owners are — at cheshire has been closed and the owners are looking for buyers, so is the government aware of what it can do to— the government aware of what it can do to get— the government aware of what it can do to get that plant operational again— do to get that plant operational again and is there any assistance that might — again and is there any assistance that might be available to possible buyers _ that might be available to possible buyers because once again we will rely on _ buyers because once again we will rely on imports for a product which is in short— rely on imports for a product which is in short supply internationally? this is— is in short supply internationally? this is a _ is in short supply internationally? this is a massive issue for farmers this is a massive issue forfarmers and we are not sufficiently self—reliant in fertiliser and we have had the fertiliser roundtable

recently and tried to see what we can do to help and try to get alternatives but clearly that doesn't always work, not as effective. we need to make much more fertiliser domestically and i have to say one of the reasons why the global south is suffering so much at the moment is also a shortage of fertiliser. there are far too few african fertiliser plants and we should be doing what we can to help build the fertiliser resilience around the world because they are suffering at the moment. lama; suffering at the moment. any conversations _ suffering at the moment. any conversations with _ suffering at the moment. any conversations with the prospective buyers _ conversations with the prospective buyers in _ conversations with the prospective buyers in the plant at cheshire? | buyers in the plant at cheshire? i can't buyers in the plant at cheshire? can't tell buyers in the plant at cheshire? i can't tell you about prospective buyers of that plant but we are concerned that there is a single plant left and that makes us, that puts a lot of pressure on that plant. puts a lot of pressure on that lant. ., .. puts a lot of pressure on that lant. ., ~' ,, , puts a lot of pressure on that lant. ., ~' , . puts a lot of pressure on that lant. ., ., ,, , . ., ., plant. thank you very much. you have a one-liner? —

plant. thank you very much. you have a one-liner? we _ plant. thank you very much. you have a one-liner? we recognise _ plant. thank you very much. you have a one-liner? we recognise the - a one-liner? we recognise the importance — a one-liner? we recognise the importance of— a one-liner? we recognise the importance of getting - a one-liner? we recognise the importance of getting grain i a one-liner? we recognise the | importance of getting grain out a one-liner? we recognise the i importance of getting grain out of ukraine, — importance of getting grain out of ukraine, it — importance of getting grain out of ukraine, it is ground zero when it comes— ukraine, it is ground zero when it comes to — ukraine, it is ground zero when it comes to feeding europe and africa but can— comes to feeding europe and africa but can i_ comes to feeding europe and africa but can i ask the prime minister, there _ but can i ask the prime minister, there is— but can i ask the prime minister, there is an — but can i ask the prime minister, there is an opportunity for british leadership to take this to the un general— leadership to take this to the un general assembly which i have raised before, _ general assembly which i have raised before, and _ general assembly which i have raised before, and to see whether we can -et before, and to see whether we can get those — before, and to see whether we can get those two thirds of votes to turn the — get those two thirds of votes to turn the port into humanitarian safe haven _ turn the port into humanitarian safe haven that — turn the port into humanitarian safe haven that will then allow or facilitate the starting point of getting — facilitate the starting point of getting that grain out in those ships. — getting that grain out in those ships, because the ships need to get out, that— ships, because the ships need to get out, that is— ships, because the ships need to get out, that is the scale of exports that are — out, that is the scale of exports that are required if we are to affect— that are required if we are to affect the _ that are required if we are to affect the cost... i don't disagree at all, even in the un general assembly, although we have a great load of, for the initial condemnation for the invasion, russia and china are very

influential. abs, invasion, russia and china are very influential. �* invasion, russia and china are very influential-— influential. a few weeks ago, a u-rou influential. a few weeks ago, a a-rou of influential. a few weeks ago, a group of ukrainian _ influential. a few weeks ago, a group of ukrainian mps - influential. a few weeks ago, a group of ukrainian mps who i influential. a few weeks ago, a i group of ukrainian mps who travelled to the _ group of ukrainian mps who travelled to the uk_ group of ukrainian mps who travelled to the uk via the republic of ireland _ to the uk via the republic of ireland. like every country, the republic— ireland. like every country, the republic of ireland does not require a visa _ republic of ireland does not require a visa in— republic of ireland does not require a visa in europe. they didn't have anything — a visa in europe. they didn't have anything to— a visa in europe. they didn't have anything to it, and they were raising — anything to it, and they were raising with me as to whether it was sensible _ raising with me as to whether it was sensible decision to allow such a bureaucratic visa system for ukrainians fleeing ukraine, was a sensible — ukrainians fleeing ukraine, was a sensible use of resources. as we know _ sensible use of resources. as we know it _ sensible use of resources. as we know it compromised the capacity of the home _ know it compromised the capacity of the home office, what you say to that? _ the home office, what you say to that? l— the home office, what you say to that? ., , ., ., . ., ~ that? i hear you and clear. i think that? i hear you and clear. i think that the argument _ that? i hear you and clear. i think that the argument that _ that? i hear you and clear. i think that the argument that has i that? i hear you and clear. i think that the argument that has been | that? i hear you and clear. i think. that the argument that has been put to me is two things, first of all, we have to be careful that we are able to screen people properly. but there is no screening. i _

able to screen people properly. but there is no screening. i accept i able to screen people properly. but there is no screening. i accept the i there is no screening. i accept the limitations. _ there is no screening. i accept the limitations, but _ there is no screening. i accept the limitations, but you _ there is no screening. i accept the limitations, but you have - there is no screening. i accept the limitations, but you have to i there is no screening. i accept the limitations, but you have to look. there is no screening. i accept the| limitations, but you have to look at what we have done so far, 135,000 visas have been issued, and i think the record is getting better and better, the uk is hosting a lot of ukrainians, and we should be very proud of that. 50 ukrainians, and we should be very proud of that-— proud of that. so perhaps i will come in to _ proud of that. so perhaps i will come in to the _ proud of that. so perhaps i will come in to the problems i proud of that. so perhaps i will come in to the problems of i proud of that. so perhaps i willi come in to the problems of the proud of that. so perhaps i will- come in to the problems of the home office, _ come in to the problems of the home office, which as i have just alluded to the _ office, which as i have just alluded to the capacity issues of the home office _ to the capacity issues of the home office when they designed a whole new visa _ office when they designed a whole new visa system. why is it that british— new visa system. why is it that british people are waiting so long to get— british people are waiting so long to get their passports, and when we all knew— to get their passports, and when we all knew there would be a surge in passport— all knew there would be a surge in passport applications after covid, with people wanting to travel on family— with people wanting to travel on family holidays, getting married abroad, — family holidays, getting married abroad, all of those things. why is it that _ abroad, all of those things. why is it that we — abroad, all of those things. why is it that we have ended up with people waiting _ it that we have ended up with people waiting so— it that we have ended up with people waiting so long, having spent so much _ waiting so long, having spent so much time — waiting so long, having spent so much time and money to get a passport? _ much time and money to get a passport? | much time and money to get a passport?— passport? i share everybody's frustration. _ passport? i share everybody's frustration. the _ passport? i share everybody's frustration. the answer- passport? i share everybody's frustration. the answer is i passport? i share everybody's| frustration. the answer is that passport? i share everybody's i frustration. the answer is that the demand has been very big because people are very keen to go on holiday, and we have rushed people

into the passport office... truth? holiday, and we have rushed people into the passport office. . ._ into the passport office... why are ou into the passport office... why are you having — into the passport office... why are you having to _ into the passport office... why are you having to do — into the passport office... why are you having to do that? _ into the passport office... why are you having to do that? from i into the passport office... why are - you having to do that? from memory, 91% et you having to do that? from memory, 91% get their — you having to do that? from memory, 9196 get their passports _ you having to do that? from memory, 9196 get their passports within - you having to do that? from memory, 9196 get their passports within four - 91% get their passports within four to six weeks. the 9196 get their passports within four to six weeks— 9196 get their passports within four to six weeks. the standard that the home office _ to six weeks. the standard that the home office is _ to six weeks. the standard that the home office is meant _ to six weeks. the standard that the home office is meant to _ to six weeks. the standard that the home office is meant to reach - to six weeks. the standard that the home office is meant to reach is i home office is meant to reach is three _ home office is meant to reach is three weeks, it is now ten weeks, when _ three weeks, it is now ten weeks, when will— three weeks, it is now ten weeks, when will it— three weeks, it is now ten weeks, when will it go back down? what i have in my _ when will it go back down? what i have in my head _ when will it go back down? what i have in my head is _ when will it go back down? what i have in my head is that _ when will it go back down? what i have in my head is that 9196 - when will it go back down? what i have in my head is that 9196 get i have in my head is that 91% get their passports within four to six weeks stop. weeks ok, their passports within four to six wee , ., , ., ., their passports within four to six wee ,., , ., ., , weeks ok, so the bread and butter issues are not _ weeks ok, so the bread and butter issues are not being _ weeks ok, so the bread and butter issues are not being looked - weeks ok, so the bread and butter issues are not being looked at - weeks ok, so the bread and butter issues are not being looked at by l issues are not being looked at by the home — issues are not being looked at by the home office in a very good way. can i_ the home office in a very good way. can i ask_ the home office in a very good way. can i ask why your government has a backlog _ can i ask why your government has a backlog of— can i ask why your government has a backlog of 89,000 asylum claims that they have _ backlog of 89,000 asylum claims that they have not decided, why has that happened? — they have not decided, why has that happened? the they have not decided, why has that ha--ened? they have not decided, why has that ha ened? ., , they have not decided, why has that ha--ened? , ., , happened? the uk has historically had a very large —

happened? the uk has historically had a very large numbers - happened? the uk has historically had a very large numbers of - happened? the uk has historically. had a very large numbers of asylum claims, and i seem to remember there are many thousands of asylum claims... it are many thousands of asylum claims... , _, . are many thousands of asylum claims- - -_ claims... it is incorrect, prime minister- _ claims... it is incorrect, prime minister. the _ claims... it is incorrect, prime minister. the asylum - claims... it is incorrect, prime minister. the asylum claims i claims... it is incorrect, prime| minister. the asylum claims in claims... it is incorrect, prime- minister. the asylum claims in this country— minister. the asylum claims in this country have remained very steady in the past _ country have remained very steady in the past four years, so your office has built— the past four years, so your office has built up— the past four years, so your office has built up a backlog of 90,000 claims _ has built up a backlog of 90,000 claims. why is your government so bad at _ claims. why is your government so bad at sending back failed asylum seekers? — bad at sending back failed asylum seekers? in 2010 we sent back around 10,000, _ seekers? in 2010 we sent back around 10.000. this — seekers? in 2010 we sent back around 10,000, this year around 800. | 10,000, this year around 800. i think 10,000, this year around 800. think they 10,000, this year around 800. i think they do their level best, i don't think it is that they are so bad, i think don't think it is that they are so bad, ithink it don't think it is that they are so bad, i think it is that other people are so good at finding reasons why they should not be returned. line thatis they should not be returned. line that is your answer, it is not to do

with the fact that you have not been able to enter agreements with other countries, you haven't got a replacement for the dublin agreement... my impression is certainly that if you look at what happened on the dublin agreement, that broke down across the board. returns have been extremely hard to... ., , i: returns have been extremely hard to... ., , :: , returns have been extremely hard to... ., , i: , ., to... you sent back 20 people who came back — to... you sent back 20 people who came back in _ to. .. you sent back 20 people who came back in small— to... you sent back 20 people who came back in small boats - to... you sent back 20 people who came back in small boats across i to... you sent back 20 people who l came back in small boats across the channel— came back in small boats across the channel last year. 20. do you expect the cuts _ channel last year. 20. do you expect the cuts to _ channel last year. 20. do you expect the cuts to civil servants that you are talking — the cuts to civil servants that you are talking about, 20%, 30%, 40% cuts, _ are talking about, 20%, 30%, 40% cuts, or— are talking about, 20%, 30%, 40% cuts, orthat— are talking about, 20%, 30%, 40% cuts, or that help the home office -et cuts, or that help the home office get to— cuts, or that help the home office get to grips with some of these problems or will it make it worse? when _ problems or will it make it worse? when you — problems or will it make it worse? when you talk about the asylum seekers crossing the channel illegally, and in very frail vessels... illegally, and in very frail vessels. . ._ illegally, and in very frail vessels... illegally, and in very frail- vessels. . ._ the way illegally, and in very frail vessels... ., . thewa to vessels... no, your cuts. the way to fix that is not _ vessels... no, your cuts. the way to fix that is not just _ vessels... no, your cuts. the way to fix that is not just by _ vessels... no, your cuts. the way to fix that is notjust by having - vessels... no, your cuts. the way to fix that is notjust by having more i fix that is notjust by having more civil servants,

fix that is notjust by having more civilservants, it fix that is notjust by having more civil servants, it is that the proper deterrent. haste civil servants, it is that the proper deterrent.— civil servants, it is that the proper deterrent. we are talking about cuts- _ proper deterrent. we are talking about cuts. my _ proper deterrent. we are talking about cuts. my final— proper deterrent. we are talking about cuts. my final question, i proper deterrent. we are talking about cuts. my final question, if| proper deterrent. we are talking | about cuts. my final question, if| about cuts. my final question, if i may. _ about cuts. my final question, if i nray, could — about cuts. my final question, if i may, could you just confirm, and i would _ may, could you just confirm, and i would appreciate a yes or no. that she met _ would appreciate a yes or no. that she met with the former kgb officer, when _ she met with the former kgb officer, when you _ she met with the former kgb officer, when you were foreign secretary, without _ when you were foreign secretary, without officials, on the 28th april 2018~ _ without officials, on the 28th april 2018~ l— without officials, on the 28th april 2018. ., ., ., . a' without officials, on the 28th april 2018. ., ., ., . . ~' are without officials, on the 28th april 2018. ., . ., . are ou 2018. i would have to check. are you havin: a 2018. i would have to check. are you having a lapse _ 2018. i would have to check. are you having a lapse of _ 2018. i would have to check. are you having a lapse of memory _ 2018. i would have to check. are you having a lapse of memory again? - having a lapse of memory again? you're _ having a lapse of memory again? you're asking me a very specific question about a very specific date. i certainly have meant the in question, who used to be the proprietor of the london evening standard when i was mayor of london, so i've certainly not going to deny having met him, i certainly have.

with officials, when you are foreign secretary. _ with officials, when you are foreign secretary, did you meet with officials, _ secretary, did you meet with officials, or without officials? secretary, did you meet with officials, orwithout officials? | officials, or without officials? certainly officials, orwithout officials? i certainly met him without officials. perhaps you could write to us with the specific— perhaps you could write to us with the specific answer _ perhaps you could write to us with the specific answer to _ perhaps you could write to us with the specific answer to that - perhaps you could write to us with the specific answer to that very. the specific answer to that very specific— the specific answer to that very specific question. _ the specific answer to that very specific question. if— the specific answer to that very specific question. if i _ the specific answer to that very specific question.— specific question. ifi could 'ust follow specific question. ifi could 'ust fouowthatfi specific question. ifi could 'ust follow that up, i specific question. ifi could 'ust follow that up, that was i specific question. if i could just follow that up, that was when l specific question. if i could just i follow that up, that was when you were _ follow that up, that was when you were mayor of london, but did you meet _ were mayor of london, but did you meet and — were mayor of london, but did you meet and when you were foreign secretary? — meet and when you were foreign secretary? | meet and when you were foreign secreta ? ~ meet and when you were foreign secretary?— secretary? i think i probably did. pro erl secretary? i think i probably did. preperly did? — secretary? i think i probably did. properly did? properly, - secretary? i think i probably did. properly did? properly, because| secretary? i think| probably did. i properly did? properly, because you meet _ properly did? properly, because you meet him _ properly did? properly, because you meet him often? on properly did? properly, because you meet him often?— meet him often? on the occasion ou're meet him often? on the occasion you're mentioning, _ meet him often? on the occasion you're mentioning, if— meet him often? on the occasion you're mentioning, if that - meet him often? on the occasion you're mentioning, if that was i meet him often? on the occasion i you're mentioning, if that was when i was foreign then yes.— i was foreign then yes. without officials? yes. _ i was foreign then yes. without officials? yes. did _ i was foreign then yes. without officials? yes. did you - i was foreign then yes. without officials? yes. did you report i i was foreign then yes. withoutl officials? yes. did you report to officials? yes. did you report to officials that _ officials? yes. did you report to officials that you _ officials? 19:3 did you report to officials that you did meet

officials? i9; did you report to officials that you did meet in? officials? yes. did you report to officials that you did meet in? i | officials that you did meet in? i think officials that you did meet in? think i did. officials that you did meet in? i think i did. and — officials that you did meet in? i think i did. and where - officials that you did meet in? i think i did. and where did - officials that you did meet in? i think i did. and where did you | officials that you did meet in? i - think i did. and where did you meet him? i met — think i did. and where did you meet him? i met him _ think i did. and where did you meet him? i met him in _ think i did. and where did you meet him? i met him in italy. _ think i did. and where did you meet him? i met him in italy. we - think i did. and where did you meet him? i met him in italy. we will- him? i met him in italy. we will move on- _ him? i met him in italy. we will move on. even _ him? i met him in italy. we will move on. even firm _ him? i met him in italy. we will move on. even firm to - him? i met him in italy. we will move on. even firm to the - him? i met him in italy. we will. move on. even firm to the homes him? i met him in italy. we will- move on. even firm to the homes for ukrainian family _ move on. even firm to the homes for ukrainian family schemes, _ move on. even firm to the homes for ukrainian family schemes, can - move on. even firm to the homes for ukrainian family schemes, can you i ukrainian family schemes, can you -ive ukrainian family schemes, can you give us _ ukrainian family schemes, can you give usan— ukrainian family schemes, can you give us an answer as to what proportion of visas issued have been to women? — proportion of visas issued have been to women? i— proportion of visas issued have been to women? �* ., :, to women? i can't, i will have to write to you- _ to women? i can't, i will have to write to you. indicative - to women? i can't, i will have to write to you. indicative statistics sur est write to you. indicative statistics suggest that _ write to you. indicative statistics suggest that it _ write to you. indicative statistics suggest that it is _ write to you. indicative statistics suggest that it is a _ write to you. indicative statistics suggest that it is a 8296. - write to you. indicative statistics suggest that it is a 8296. what i suggest that it is a 82%. what concerns— suggest that it is a 82%. what concerns you have about ukrainian women _ concerns you have about ukrainian women being here in the uk? one of the reasons— women being here in the uk? one of the reasons was _ women being here in the uk? one of the reasons was that _ women being here in the uk? one of the reasons was that people - the reasons was that people initially claimed that the scheme was slow, but he wants to make sure

that when people arrived they arrived in a safe environment. as far as i know work has been done to ensure that they are with families or with people who will look after them properly. d0 or with people who will look after them preperly-— them properly. do you feel comfortable _ them properly. do you feel comfortable that _ them properly. do you feel comfortable that the - them properly. do you feel - comfortable that the accommodation is checked _ comfortable that the accommodation is checked after people have arrived? _ is checked after people have arrived? to is checked after people have arrived? :, , , :, , arrived? to the best of my knowledge. _ arrived? to the best of my knowledge, everybody - arrived? to the best of my| knowledge, everybody that arrived? to the best of my - knowledge, everybody that i've arrived? to the best of my _ knowledge, everybody that i've met, and has been involved in the scheme says that it is working very well. cd feel confident that the accommodation is checked after people — accommodation is checked after people are arrived? i accommodation is checked after people are arrived?— accommodation is checked after people are arrived? i can tell you what checks _ people are arrived? i can tell you what checks are _ people are arrived? i can tell you what checks are common - people are arrived? i can tell you what checks are common on - people are arrived? i can tell you what checks are common on the | what checks are common on the accommodation have arrived. —— i can't tell you. do accommodation have arrived. -- i can't tell you-— accommodation have arrived. -- i can'ttell ou. ~ :, :, ., , can't tell you. do you know how many are with their— can't tell you. do you know how many are with their original _ can't tell you. do you know how many are with their original numbers? - can't tell you. do you know how many are with their original numbers? i - are with their original numbers? i can't are with their original numbers? can't tell are with their original numbers? i can't tell you that. there - are with their original numbers? i can't tell you that. there are - can't tell you that. there are indications _ can't tell you that. there are indications that _ can't tell you that. there are indications that households l can't tell you that. there are i indications that households are

can't tell you that. there are - indications that households are owed a duty— indications that households are owed a duty under homelessness prevention. do you have any concerns about _ prevention. do you have any concerns about where _ prevention. do you have any concerns about where they are going to end up? |_ about where they are going to end u . ? :, �* about where they are going to end u - ? :, �* ~ :, about where they are going to end u? :,�* ~ :, ., about where they are going to end u . ? :, �* ~' :, ., , up? i don't know that it is right that there _ up? i don't know that it is right that there are _ up? i don't know that it is right that there are that _ up? i don't know that it is right that there are that many - up? i don't know that it is right - that there are that many ukrainians who are homeless in in the uk. i think that where there are arrivals who have had a problem with their sponsors, with the household, the councils have a duty to provide a roof for them, and that is supported by a grant of £10,500 per person. we are not currently aware of any ukrainian sleeping rough. statistics show that 660 _ ukrainian sleeping rough. statistics show that 660 ukrainian _ ukrainian sleeping rough. statisticsl show that 660 ukrainian households are owed _ show that 660 ukrainian households are owed a _ show that 660 ukrainian households are owed a relief duty for homelessness. you said today that people _ homelessness. you said today that people would be able to switch between the ukrainian family scheme and their— between the ukrainian family scheme and their homes for ukraine scheme, when _ and their homes for ukraine scheme, when you _ and their homes for ukraine scheme, when you think that will be

possible?— when you think that will be ossible? ~ . , :, , , possible? we are trying to speed thins u -. possible? we are trying to speed things up- i _ possible? we are trying to speed things up. i can't _ possible? we are trying to speed things up. i can't tell— possible? we are trying to speed things up. i can't tell you - possible? we are trying to speed things up. i can't tell you when i possible? we are trying to speed | things up. i can't tell you when we are going to be able to make those two schemes... allow people to move fluidly from one to the next, but clearly there is a logic in that. and if people are able to switch between — and if people are able to switch between the family scheme and the homes _ between the family scheme and the homes for— between the family scheme and the homes for ukraine scheme, should they be _ homes for ukraine scheme, should they be able to switch sponsor within — they be able to switch sponsor within the scheme, and have the £350 a funding _ within the scheme, and have the £350 a funding follow them?— a funding follow them? interesting idea. we a funding follow them? interesting idea- we will _ a funding follow them? interesting idea. we will have _ a funding follow them? interesting idea. we will have a _ a funding follow them? interesting idea. we will have a look— a funding follow them? interesting idea. we will have a look at - a funding follow them? interesting idea. we will have a look at it. - a funding follow them? interesting idea. we will have a look at it. i'm| idea. we will have a look at it. i'm not going to extend prize a solution. d0 not going to extend prize a solution-— not going to extend prize a solution. ~ , :, solution. do think funding should follow someone _ solution. do think funding should follow someone sent _ solution. do think funding should follow someone sent home - solution. do think funding should i follow someone sent home because solution. do think funding should - follow someone sent home because of housing _ follow someone sent home because of housing concerns? i can follow someone sent home because of housing concerns?—

housing concerns? i can see the loric housing concerns? i can see the lo . ic of housing concerns? i can see the logic of that- — housing concerns? i can see the logic of that. i'm _ housing concerns? i can see the logic of that. i'm sure _ housing concerns? i can see the logic of that. i'm sure that - logic of that. i'm sure that particular issue is something that home office staff... flan particular issue is something that home office staff. . ._ particular issue is something that home office staff... can i ask you specifically _ home office staff... can i ask you specifically when _ home office staff... can i ask you specifically when it _ home office staff... can i ask you specifically when it comes - home office staff... can i ask you specifically when it comes to - specifically when it comes to safeguarding concerns, should safeguarding concerns, should safeguarding always be straightforward? of safeguarding always be straightforward? we safeguarding always be straiahtforward? , m straightforward? of course. we know that --eole straightforward? of course. we know that people traffickers _ straightforward? of course. we know that people traffickers are _ straightforward? of course. we know that people traffickers are offering i that people traffickers are offering —— operating on the bodice ukraine, particularly — —— operating on the bodice ukraine, particularly dealing with women and young _ particularly dealing with women and young girls. do you have any concerns _ young girls. do you have any concerns that ukrainian women are going _ concerns that ukrainian women are going to _ concerns that ukrainian women are going to end up on the shores of dover, _ going to end up on the shores of dover, trafficked in small boats, and what — dover, trafficked in small boats, and what can we do to help them? to the and what can we do to help them? the best of and what can we do to help them? if? the best of my knowledge that is not happening, we are safe and legal routes for ukrainians right now. earlier this week a group of

ukrainian female mps were at meetings explicitly expressing concerns about trafficking. what are you doing _ concerns about trafficking. what are you doing to ensure that doesn't happen? — you doing to ensure that doesn't ha--en? you doing to ensure that doesn't ha en? :, you doing to ensure that doesn't ha--en? :, ': you doing to ensure that doesn't hauen? :, ' : ., , you doing to ensure that doesn't ha--en? :, f. . ,. happen? the home office does a huge amount to tackle _ happen? the home office does a huge amount to tackle people _ happen? the home office does a huge amount to tackle people trafficking - amount to tackle people trafficking upstream with other european governments, the national crime agency is, are heavily involved in that. ,, . , ., that. either specifically looking at the threat ukrainian _ that. either specifically looking at the threat ukrainian women? - that. either specifically looking at l the threat ukrainian women? when that. either specifically looking at - the threat ukrainian women? when the exodus began. — the threat ukrainian women? when the exodus began, one _ the threat ukrainian women? when the exodus began, one of _ the threat ukrainian women? when the exodus began, one of the _ the threat ukrainian women? when the exodus began, one of the things - the threat ukrainian women? when the exodus began, one of the things that l exodus began, one of the things that we were doing was making sure that we were doing was making sure that we had staff that we are putting in poland, who were looking after the interests of people who might be wanting to come to this country. other staff trained to deal with people — other staff trained to deal with people trafficking? | other staff trained to deal with people trafficking?— other staff trained to deal with people trafficking? i believe so, but i would _ people trafficking? i believe so, but i would have _ people trafficking? i believe so, but i would have to _ people trafficking? i believe so, but i would have to get - people trafficking? i believe so, but i would have to get back- people trafficking? i believe so, but i would have to get back to | people trafficking? i believe so, i but i would have to get back to you on that. ,, , ., , ,

but i would have to get back to you on that-_ we - but i would have to get back to you on that._ we are i but i would have to get back to you i on that._ we are going on that. stephen crabb. we are going to move on — on that. stephen crabb. we are going to move on to — on that. stephen crabb. we are going to move on to their _ on that. stephen crabb. we are going to move on to their cost _ on that. stephen crabb. we are going to move on to their cost of _ on that. stephen crabb. we are going to move on to their cost of living - to move on to their cost of living issues _ to move on to their cost of living issues now _ to move on to their cost of living issues now. with the appointment of the new— issues now. with the appointment of the new chancellor last night, as the new chancellor last night, as the government because my position so that— the government because my position so that they are committed to a fuel social— so that they are committed to a fuel social security operating next april. — social security operating next april. so _ social security operating next april, so that is full operating of benefits— april, so that is full operating of benefits and pensions for next april? — benefits and pensions for next april? i— benefits and pensions for next a - ril? :, benefits and pensions for next aril? ., ., ., :, :, benefits and pensions for next aril? . ., ., :, ., april? i am aware of no change in our policy- _ april? i am aware of no change in our policy- has — april? i am aware of no change in our policy. has the _ april? i am aware of no change in our policy. has the new— april? i am aware of no change in| our policy. has the new chancellor indicated any _ our policy. has the new chancellor indicated any desire _ our policy. has the new chancellor indicated any desire or _ our policy. has the new chancellor indicated any desire or intention . our policy. has the new chancellor| indicated any desire or intention to reopen— indicated any desire or intention to reopen any— indicated any desire or intention to reopen any of the decisions we have made _ reopen any of the decisions we have made in _ reopen any of the decisions we have made in response to the cost of living _ made in response to the cost of living crisis, or are there any areas — living crisis, or are there any areas that— living crisis, or are there any areas that you would want him to reopen? — areas that you would want him to reopen? l— areas that you would want him to reo en? .. :, reopen? i think what the new chancellor — reopen? i think what the new chancellor is _ reopen? i think what the new chancellor is going _ reopen? i think what the new chancellor is going to - reopen? i think what the new chancellor is going to do - reopen? i think what the new chancellor is going to do is i reopen? i think what the newl chancellor is going to do is to continue with the package of support that we set out, and don't forget that we set out, and don't forget that there is £1200 for the 8 million most vulnerable households, going into peoples bank accounts this month. £400 to help everybody

with a cost of energy, cuts to council tax, and i know that the new chancellor is certainly committed to all of that. 9.5 chancellor is certainly committed to all of that. : , :, chancellor is certainly committed to all of that. : , . ., , chancellor is certainly committed to allofthat. a . �* all of that. as far as you're concerned, _ all of that. as far as you're concerned, the _ all of that. as far as you're concerned, the basic - all of that. as far as you're - concerned, the basic template for the response to our cost of living crisis. _ the response to our cost of living crisis. our— the response to our cost of living crisis, ourtax—and—spend the response to our cost of living crisis, our tax—and—spend strategy, remains _ crisis, our tax—and—spend strategy, remains locked for now, under the new strategy?— remains locked for now, under the new strategy? you're pushing a bit too hard. new strategy? you're pushing a bit too hard- i— new strategy? you're pushing a bit too hard. ithink— new strategy? you're pushing a bit too hard. i think that _ new strategy? you're pushing a bit too hard. i think that will— new strategy? you're pushing a bit too hard. i think that will be, - too hard. i think that will be, that's not quite the conclusion that i want you to draw, i certainly think the new chancellor will want to think about what we can do to do even more to help people, whether on the fiscal front, or whatever. even more to help people, whether on the fiscalfront, or whatever. the the fiscal front, or whatever. the minister for _ the fiscal front, or whatever. the minister for brexit opportunities appear— minister for brexit opportunities appear to be quite dismissive of forecast, — appear to be quite dismissive of forecast, and even appeared to question— forecast, and even appeared to question the usefulness of the opr altogether. do you have any

confidence in these forecasts? in my exerience confidence in these forecasts? in my experience they _ confidence in these forecasts? in my experience they don't _ confidence in these forecasts? in my experience they don't always - confidence in these forecasts? i�*i “n; experience they don't always turn out to be correct, but that doesn't mean that they are not useful. whenever they turned out to be correct? — whenever they turned out to be correct? i — whenever they turned out to be correct? .. whenever they turned out to be correct? ~ ., ,", correct? i think he asks the rhetorical _ correct? i think he asks the rhetorical question. - correct? i think he asks the rhetorical question. when i correct? i think he asks the i rhetorical question. when they -redicted rhetorical question. when they predicted the _ rhetorical question. when they predicted the uk _ rhetorical question. when they predicted the uk is _ rhetorical question. when they predicted the uk is going - rhetorical question. when they predicted the uk is going to i rhetorical question. when they| predicted the uk is going to see rhetorical question. when they - predicted the uk is going to see the fastest _ predicted the uk is going to see the fastest drop in living standards since _ fastest drop in living standards since the — fastest drop in living standards since the 1950s, is that a forecast that you _ since the 1950s, is that a forecast that you accept? i since the 1950s, is that a forecast that you accept?— since the 1950s, is that a forecast that you accept? i think we need to exect that you accept? i think we need to expect that — that you accept? i think we need to expect that there _ that you accept? i think we need to expect that there is _ that you accept? i think we need to expect that there is going - that you accept? i think we need to expect that there is going to - that you accept? i think we need to expect that there is going to be - that you accept? i think we need to expect that there is going to be a i expect that there is going to be a lot of economic pain, and we need to be frank about that, and that is certainly the case. what we will do, and what we are doing, is trying to help the lowest income households as much as possible, and they may get

fully compensated, but there will certainly be a lot of pressure for a while. we will get inflation under control, that's the big problem right now, but i'm very confident that it will have abated by next year. is that it will have abated by next ear. , . , that it will have abated by next ear. , ., , :, . year. is the latest economic advice that ou year. is the latest economic advice that you are _ year. is the latest economic advice that you are receiving, _ year. is the latest economic advice that you are receiving, prime - that you are receiving, prime minister. _ that you are receiving, prime minister, that obr advice about the drop of— minister, that obr advice about the drop of living standards, is that correct, — drop of living standards, is that correct, are you receiving any advice — correct, are you receiving any advice pointed to a softer landing, or things _ advice pointed to a softer landing, or things get even worse? an inflation or things get even worse? 9:1 inflation spike like this takes a long time to work through. we just have to be realistic about that. there is going to be pressure on people's incomes, there is going to be pressure on people's budgets, and, we cannot ignore that. with

native very substantial contributions to support them, and i have mentioned some of the sums that make up the £37 million of support, but we also have to fix the underlying causes of inflation. 9nd underlying causes of inflation. and he said a few _ underlying causes of inflation. and he said a few months ago, and you're absolutely— he said a few months ago, and you're absolutely correct, it swung to be very painful, and indeed, if the opr forecast _ very painful, and indeed, if the opr forecast about is correct, it is going — forecast about is correct, it is going to _ forecast about is correct, it is going to be absolutely brutal. i going to be absolutely brutal. didn't going to be absolutely brutal. i didn't say that. that _ going to be absolutely brutal. i didn't say that. that was - going to be absolutely brutal. i didn't say that. that was my i didn't say that. that was my language. — didn't say that. that was my language. your— didn't say that. that was my language, your language i didn't say that. that was my| language, your language was didn't say that. that was my - language, your language was painful. do you _ language, your language was painful. do you accept that at the time of such— do you accept that at the time of such economic crisis for the country. _ such economic crisis for the country, that what the country needs is a government with the very best team. _ is a government with the very best team. the — is a government with the very best team, the very best focused, absolutely squarely focused on tackling — absolutely squarely focused on tackling these issues. when you see,

prime _ tackling these issues. when you see, prime minister, people like john client— prime minister, people like john client leaving government, people like neil— client leaving government, people like neil o'brien, one of the intellectual architects of levelling up, intellectual architects of levelling up. do _ intellectual architects of levelling up, do not feel that the capacity of the government to address these overwhelming issues is deteriorating as we _ overwhelming issues is deteriorating as we speak? —— john glen. when overwhelming issues is deteriorating as we speak? -- john glen.- as we speak? -- john glen. when i came into — as we speak? -- john glen. when i came into government _ as we speak? -- john glen. when i came into government there - as we speak? -- john glen. when i came into government there was i as we speak? -- john glen. when i - came into government there was about 140 conservative mps, there are no 365 or so, there is a wealth of talent... 365 or so, there is a wealth of talent. . .- we _ 365 or so, there is a wealth of talent. . .- we should i 365 or so, there is a wealth of talent. . .- we should be i talent... order. we should be confident _ talent... order. we should be confident in _ talent... order. we should be confident in our— talent... order. we should be confident in our ability - talent... order. we should be confident in our ability to... i talent... order. we should be| confident in our ability to... as for your point about the government

focusing, the government is certainly focusing on issues that matter, and today we cutting taxes by £300, i've talked about the £1200,... by £300, i've talked about the £1200, . . -— by £300, i've talked about the £1200, . . -_ by £300, i've talked about the £1200,... , �* , £1200,... very quickly, you've been ve kind £1200,... very quickly, you've been very kind about _ £1200,... very quickly, you've been very kind about us _ £1200,... very quickly, you've been very kind about us on _ £1200,... very quickly, you've been very kind about us on the _ very kind about us on the backbenches, but i think you're going _ backbenches, but i think you're going to — backbenches, but i think you're going to find it externally hard to appoint— going to find it externally hard to appoint similar calibre of ministers.— appoint similar calibre of ministers. :, ., :, ministers. you don't have to respond to that. ministers. you don't have to respond to that- there _ ministers. you don't have to respond to that. there have _ ministers. you don't have to respond to that. there have been _ ministers. you don't have to respond to that. there have been more - to that. there have been more resignations. _ to that. there have been more resignations. the _ to that. there have been more resignations. the game - to that. there have been more resignations. the game is - to that. there have been more resignations. the game is up, | to that. there have been more i resignations. the game is up, will you be _ resignations. the game is up, will you be prime minister tomorrow? well. _ you be prime minister tomorrow? well. of— you be prime minister tomorrow? well, of course.— you be prime minister tomorrow? i well, of course._ rather well, of course. next week? rather than aaivin well, of course. next week? rather than giving any _ well, of course. next week? rather

than giving any running _ well, of course. next week? rather| than giving any running commentary on my own... i would like to talk about what the government is doing. thank you, in the six minutes that i have _ thank you, in the six minutes that i have i_ thank you, in the six minutes that i have i want— thank you, in the six minutes that i have i want to talk to you about transport — have i want to talk to you about transport policy delivery, if you are focused. i want to talk about rail. _ are focused. i want to talk about rail. air. — are focused. i want to talk about rail. air. and _ are focused. i want to talk about rail, air, and road. do you have all the interventions and leavers that you need — the interventions and leavers that you need to end this rail strike? i call you need to end this rail strike? call upon you need to end this rail strike? i call upon the union barons and the railway companies to sort this out. i think they should be able to do it, and i think that yes, we properly do need a few more tools...

specifically what? you properly do need a few more tools... specifically what?— specifically what? you could have minimum service _ specifically what? you could have minimum service levels, - specifically what? you could have minimum service levels, you - specifically what? you could have minimum service levels, you can| specifically what? you could have - minimum service levels, you can have ballot thresholds, and as you know, we are bringing in, i think we have already brought in, the provision for agency workers where that is necessary. that is not going to fix problems like train drivers, not going to get agency workers to drive a train, but the argument i would make is that you need to modernise. let me focus on the levers, in the conservative manifesto it said that only the _ conservative manifesto it said that only the conservatives could get brexit _ only the conservatives could get brexit done, and stop passengers being _ brexit done, and stop passengers being held hostage by the unions. and that _ being held hostage by the unions. and that was the introduction of that policy of minimum service levels. — that policy of minimum service levels, yet that hasn't been introduced, and people are being held hostage, which might be your view. _ held hostage, which might be your view. so _ held hostage, which might be your view, so why did you not bring, with an 80 _ view, so why did you not bring, with an 80 seat— view, so why did you not bring, with an 80 seat majority, that legislation through, before the

strikes? — legislation through, before the strikes? . . , legislation through, before the strikes? . , , strikes? that is very good question. and the answer— strikes? that is very good question. and the answer is _ strikes? that is very good question. and the answer is we _ strikes? that is very good question. and the answer is we should - strikes? that is very good question. and the answer is we should have i and the answer is we should have done it. we had a lot of covid stuff to deal with, and i'm afraid it got pushed to the right. let to deal with, and i'm afraid it got pushed to the right.— to deal with, and i'm afraid it got pushed to the right. let me move on to airports. — pushed to the right. let me move on to airports, massive _ pushed to the right. let me move on to airports, massive disruption - pushed to the right. let me move on to airports, massive disruption at i to airports, massive disruption at the airports, people having their holidays — the airports, people having their holidays cancelled at the last minute _ holidays cancelled at the last minute. why wasn't more done to ensure _ minute. why wasn't more done to ensure that — minute. why wasn't more done to ensure that they have the bandwidth of staff— ensure that they have the bandwidth of staff to _ ensure that they have the bandwidth of staff to deal with this? the airline should _ of staff to deal with this? the airline should not _ of staff to deal with this? i19 airline should not be of staff to deal with this? t19 airline should not be abusing passengers in the way that have been, they should be greater protection. been, they should be greater protection-— been, they should be greater rotection. , :, , protection. there should be, the . uestion protection. there should be, the question is. _ protection. there should be, the question is, why _ protection. there should be, the question is, why hasn't - protection. there should be, the question is, why hasn't there - protection. there should be, the i question is, why hasn't there been? basically. _ question is, why hasn't there been? basically, we are trying to get any airlines flying at all. diana has

asked a very good question about passports, and speeding up the delivery of passports, we had a situation which no airlines were moving at all. we put £8 billion, as you'll remember, into the airline industry. you'll remember, into the airline indust . :, ., , industry. gatwick, for example, has controlled the _ industry. gatwick, for example, has controlled the number— industry. gatwick, for example, has controlled the number of _ industry. gatwick, for example, has controlled the number of flights - controlled the number of flights that will— controlled the number of flights that will be able to fly out in july and august, because they could see the number of staff bring on. the civil aviation industry does not have _ civil aviation industry does not have the — civil aviation industry does not have the power to implement these types _ have the power to implement these types of— have the power to implement these types of policy, shouldn't it have that power? i types of policy, shouldn't it have that power?— that power? i am willing to be persuaded _ that power? i am willing to be persuaded that _ that power? i am willing to be persuaded that it _ that power? i am willing to be persuaded that it should. - that power? i am willing to be - persuaded that it should. because when ou persuaded that it should. because when you put _ persuaded that it should. because when you put a — persuaded that it should. because when you put a report _ persuaded that it should. because when you put a report on - persuaded that it should. because when you put a report on that - persuaded that it should. because i when you put a report on that basis, the recommendation was rejected by government on the basis that there wouldn't _ government on the basis that there wouldn't be a proposal to give the regulator— wouldn't be a proposal to give the regulator up front to take action, including — regulator up front to take action, including to help with compensation. perhaps _ including to help with compensation.

perhaps we can push them a bit more on that _ perhaps we can push them a bit more on that i�*m _ perhaps we can push them a bit more on that. �* :, :, ., :, on that. i'm going to have to look into what more _ on that. i'm going to have to look into what more powers _ on that. i'm going to have to look into what more powers you - on that. i'm going to have to look into what more powers you might on that. i'm going to have to look- into what more powers you might need to take the airlines to behave responsibly towards their pastures, but to make their experience of the public has been pretty wretched at the moment, for all sorts of reasons, and they need to do much better. :, ., :, ., ., :, better. turning to another area of oli , better. turning to another area of policy. which _ better. turning to another area of policy, which perhaps _ better. turning to another area of policy, which perhaps needs - better. turning to another area of policy, which perhaps needs a - policy, which perhaps needs a change. — policy, which perhaps needs a change, at the moment 4% of the exchequer's revenues come from... taxes. _ exchequer's revenues come from... taxes. are — exchequer's revenues come from... taxes, are you serious about getting a new— taxes, are you serious about getting a new form _ taxes, are you serious about getting a new form of road pricing policy in place _ a new form of road pricing policy in place to _ a new form of road pricing policy in place to fill— a new form of road pricing policy in place to fill that hope, if not, how will it _ place to fill that hope, if not, how will it be — place to fill that hope, if not, how will it be filled? i place to fill that hope, if not, how will it be filled?— will it be filled? i think road ricina will it be filled? i think road pricing is — will it be filled? i think road pricing is something - will it be filled? i think road pricing is something that i will it be filled? i think road | pricing is something that we will it be filled? i think road - pricing is something that we will eventually have to consider. i'm not attracted to it, i seem to remember i successfully campaigned to remove the western extension of the can that question... i’m the western extension of the can that question. . ._ that question... i'm not talking about charging _

that question... i'm not talking about charging in _ that question... i'm not talking about charging in that - that question... i'm not talking about charging in that way, - that question... i'm not talking about charging in that way, but that question... i'm not talking i about charging in that way, but as we do _ about charging in that way, but as we do at _ about charging in that way, but as we do at the moment, we charge people _ we do at the moment, we charge people for— we do at the moment, we charge people for them while they drive. that's_ people for them while they drive. that's what fuel duty does, we will have to _ that's what fuel duty does, we will have to replace that. it is certainly _ have to replace that. it is certainly the _ have to replace that. it is certainly the case - have to replace that. it is certainly the case that i have to replace that. it is| certainly the case that we have to replace that. it 3 certainly the case that we will need a substitute for fuel duty. 9nd certainly the case that we will need a substitute for fuel duty.— a substitute for fuel duty. and this comes back _ a substitute for fuel duty. and this comes back to _ a substitute for fuel duty. and this comes back to my _ a substitute for fuel duty. and this comes back to my point _ a substitute for fuel duty. and this comes back to my point about - a substitute for fuel duty. and this i comes back to my point about policy delivery _ comes back to my point about policy delivery. forthree months, prime minister. — delivery. forthree months, prime minister, numberten has delivery. forthree months, prime minister, number ten has had a recommendationjust to minister, number ten has had a recommendation just to look at this, the treasury — recommendation just to look at this, the treasury signed off on it, and for three — the treasury signed off on it, and for three months it has been sat in number— for three months it has been sat in number ten, for three months it has been sat in numberten, one week for three months it has been sat in number ten, one week i'm told that somebody— number ten, one week i'm told that somebody signed off on it, and the next week— somebody signed off on it, and the next week somebody stopped it, and it is stuck _ next week somebody stopped it, and it is stuck. my question is, the inertia — it is stuck. my question is, the inertia inside numberten, perhaps because _ inertia inside numberten, perhaps because of— inertia inside numberten, perhaps because of the events that we are talking _ because of the events that we are talking about, we say it is nonsense, but we have been waiting for three _ nonsense, but we have been waiting for three months for someone to sign

off, for three months for someone to sign off. and _ for three months for someone to sign off, and something that fills 4% of the exchequer, that is the nonsense, do not _ the exchequer, that is the nonsense, do not think— the exchequer, that is the nonsense, do not think something should be done. _ do not think something should be done. or— do not think something should be done. or if— do not think something should be done, or if you can't do it, that someone — done, or if you can't do it, that someone else could come in and run it properly? — someone else could come in and run it properly? this someone else could come in and run it properly?— someone else could come in and run it --roerl ? , , it properly? this number ten was the first government _ it properly? this number ten was the first government in _ it properly? this number ten was the first government in europe _ it properly? this number ten was the first government in europe to - it properly? this number ten was the first government in europe to set - it properly? this number ten was the first government in europe to set a i first government in europe to set a timetable for moving away from hydrocarbons, in internal combustion engines, we've been moving at blistering speed, and we are looking at all proposal to replace fuel duty. at all proposal to replace fuel du . :, �* at all proposal to replace fuel du , :, �* :, at all proposal to replace fuel du . :, at all proposal to replace fuel du. :, ., at all proposal to replace fuel duty. you're not, you are currently sittin: on duty. you're not, you are currently sitting on all— duty. you're not, you are currently sitting on all proposals. _ duty. you're not, you are currently sitting on all proposals. i - duty. you're not, you are currently sitting on all proposals. i cannot i sitting on all proposals. i cannot believe that _ sitting on all proposals. i cannot believe that the _ sitting on all proposals. i cannot believe that the treasury - sitting on all proposals. i cannot believe that the treasury is - sitting on all proposals. i cannot - believe that the treasury is showing the slightest hesitation to find a new way to... the slightest hesitation to find a new way to- - -_ the slightest hesitation to find a new way to. . . new way to... that's my point, the treasury has _ new way to... that's my point, the treasury has signed _ new way to. .. that's my point, the treasury has signed off— new way to... that's my point, the treasury has signed off on - new way to... that's my point, the treasury has signed off on it, - new way to... that's my point, the treasury has signed off on it, in i treasury has signed off on it, in

number— treasury has signed off on it, in number ten treasury has signed off on it, in numberten has sat treasury has signed off on it, in number ten has sat on it for three months _ number ten has sat on it for three months we — number ten has sat on it for three months. we are stuck. i number ten has sat on it for three months. we are stuck.— number ten has sat on it for three months. we are stuck. i will take it u - . .. months. we are stuck. i will take it u... i months. we are stuck. i will take it up- -- l was — months. we are stuck. i will take it up... i was shadow _ months. we are stuck. i will take it up... i was shadow chancellor - months. we are stuck. i will take it up... i was shadow chancellor in i up... i was shadow chancellor in 2000, up... i was shadow chancellor in 2000. why _ up... i was shadow chancellor in 2000. why is — up... i was shadow chancellor in 2000, why is your _ up... i was shadow chancellor in 2000, why is your government i up... i was shadow chancellor in - 2000, why is your government dodging this, 2000, why is your government dodging this. when— 2000, why is your government dodging this. when you — 2000, why is your government dodging this, when you have _ 2000, why is your government dodging this, when you have already _ this, when you have already abandoned _ this, when you have already abandoned the _ this, when you have already abandoned the revenue - this, when you have already i abandoned the revenue stream this, when you have already - abandoned the revenue stream of hydrocarbons? _ abandoned the revenue stream of hydrocarbons? why _ abandoned the revenue stream of hydrocarbons?— abandoned the revenue stream of hydrocarbons? why do you think we necessarily are, _ hydrocarbons? why do you think we necessarily are, we _ hydrocarbons? why do you think we necessarily are, we have _ hydrocarbons? why do you think we necessarily are, we have got - hydrocarbons? why do you think we necessarily are, we have got to - hydrocarbons? why do you think we necessarily are, we have got to find i necessarily are, we have got to find a way of filling the gap left by... you've absolutely got target for eliminating _ you've absolutely got target for eliminating fossil _ you've absolutely got target for eliminating fossil fuel— you've absolutely got target for eliminating fossil fuel cars, - you've absolutely got target for eliminating fossil fuel cars, but| eliminating fossil fuel cars, but you have — eliminating fossil fuel cars, but you have not _ eliminating fossil fuel cars, but you have not got _ eliminating fossil fuel cars, but you have not got a _ eliminating fossil fuel cars, but you have not got a plan - eliminating fossil fuel cars, but you have not got a plan in - eliminating fossil fuel cars, but| you have not got a plan in place eliminating fossil fuel cars, but i you have not got a plan in place to replace _ you have not got a plan in place to replace the — you have not got a plan in place to replace the revenue? _ you have not got a plan in place to replace the revenue? [— you have not got a plan in place to replace the revenue?— replace the revenue? i find it hiuhl replace the revenue? i find it highly unlikely _ replace the revenue? i find it highly unlikely that _ replace the revenue? i find it highly unlikely that the - replace the revenue? i find it i highly unlikely that the treasury will let any opportunity to go to raise revenue from motoring to substitute... what we want to do is for the purposes of the environment,

to encourage the take—up of low carbon vehicles, and that is why this strategy is framed as it currently is. mr; this strategy is framed as it currently is.— this strategy is framed as it currently is. this strategy is framed as it currentl is. y :, , , :, currently is. my apologies, i should have wrote — currently is. my apologies, i should have wrote earlier. _ currently is. my apologies, i should have wrote earlier. prime - currently is. my apologies, i should have wrote earlier. prime minister, how was your _ have wrote earlier. prime minister, how was your week _ have wrote earlier. prime minister, how was your week going? - have wrote earlier. prime minister, how was your week going? terrific. i how was your week going? terrific. like many others. _ how was your week going? terrific. like many others. did _ how was your week going? terrific. like many others. did michael- how was your week going? terrific. | like many others. did michael gove tell ou to like many others. did michael gove tell you to resign _ like many others. did michael gove tell you to resign today? _ like many others. did michael gove tell you to resign today? i - like many others. did michael gove tell you to resign today? i think - like many others. did michael gove tell you to resign today? i think i i tell you to resign today? i think i said earlier _ tell you to resign today? i think i said earlier that _ tell you to resign today? i think i said earlier that i'm _ tell you to resign today? i think i said earlier that i'm not - tell you to resign today? i think i said earlier that i'm not going i said earlier that i'm not going to... i'm here to talk about what the government is going to do, i'm not going to give a running commentary on political events. lets talk about what _ commentary on political events. lets talk about what the government is doing _ talk about what the government is doing you — talk about what the government is doing. you have just said the government skimming the biggest tax cut and _ government skimming the biggest tax cut and that in a decade, that is a tax cut— cut and that in a decade, that is a tax cut on— cut and that in a decade, that is a tax cut on your own tax rise? it

tax cut on your own tax rise? iii -ives tax cut on your own tax rise? gives them a tax cut on your own tax rise? it gives them a tax cut of £330. against the tax rate you previously put in. _ against the tax rate you previously put in, taxes going up, not down, isn't _ put in, taxes going up, not down, isn't it? _ put in, taxes going up, not down, isn't it? lt— put in, taxes going up, not down, isn't it? . put in, taxes going up, not down, isn't it? , : ., , put in, taxes going up, not down, isn't it? , : . , ., isn't it? it is certainly true that what we have _ isn't it? it is certainly true that what we have had _ isn't it? it is certainly true that what we have had to _ isn't it? it is certainly true that what we have had to do - isn't it? it is certainly true that what we have had to do is - isn't it? it is certainly true that | what we have had to do is make isn't it? it is certainly true that - what we have had to do is make sure that we deal with the fiscal impact of covid, i think the committee will remember that this was a, we had a colossal full fall in output, where the biggest pandemic for 100 years, and where to look after people's businesses to the tune of £400 billion, we have of course had to increase, we have had fur health and care levy, and what we are doing no,

iwill care levy, and what we are doing no, i willjust move on, let's look the economy before the pandemic, because you mention the pandemic, understandably grew; because you mention the pandemic, understandabl— understandably very difficult, but for the pandemic, _ understandably very difficult, but for the pandemic, when - understandably very difficult, but for the pandemic, when the - for the pandemic, when the conservative party came into office, you keep _ conservative party came into office, you keep announcing tax cuts, and spending _ you keep announcing tax cuts, and spending plans of the same time, i 'ust spending plans of the same time, i just want— spending plans of the same time, i just want to keep putting more and more _ just want to keep putting more and more debt— just want to keep putting more and more debt onto the nation's credit card? _ more debt onto the nation's credit card? i— more debt onto the nation's credit card? .. more debt onto the nation's credit card? ~ , :, more debt onto the nation's credit card? .. , :, :, , :, card? i think you need to get your story straight- _ card? i think you need to get your story straight. we _ card? i think you need to get your story straight. we have _ card? i think you need to get your story straight. we have to - card? i think you need to get your story straight. we have to be - story straight. we have to be sensible and we have to be responsible, we are making sure that we manage the public finances in a prudent way, but i think that there will be scope for four tax cuts in due time.

you said yesterday you welcomed your new chancellor nadim zahawi because he would _ new chancellor nadim zahawi because he would grow the economy in a way presumably— he would grow the economy in a way presumably that rishi sunak wouldn't. | presumably that rishi sunak wouldn't. :, �* ~' presumably that rishi sunak wouldn't. :, �* ~ presumably that rishi sunak wouldn't. :, �* ,, ., wouldn't. i don't think i said that. we are more _ wouldn't. i don't think i said that. we are more likely _ wouldn't. i don't think i said that. we are more likely to _ wouldn't. i don't think i said that. we are more likely to enter - wouldn't. i don't think i said that. we are more likely to enter a - we are more likely to enter a recession— we are more likely to enter a recession in the winter? as i said, the economies _ recession in the winter? as i said, the economies are _ recession in the winter? as i said, the economies are going - recession in the winter? as i said, the economies are going to - recession in the winter? as i said, the economies are going to be - recession in the winter? as i said, i the economies are going to be under pressure. pressure caused by the price spike but we will do everything we can to shield people and deal with the underlying causes of inflation whether that is through the energy markets or the labour markets or whatever, and there's a lot we can do, and i think we will emerge stronger the other side. you have often said that you have got the big _ have often said that you have got the big calls right as the prime minister— the big calls right as the prime minister but on tax and debt and growth _ minister but on tax and debt and growth and pay things have been getting _ growth and pay things have been getting worse and not better. 14

million — getting worse and not better. 14 million people voted for you in 2019 but you _ million people voted for you in 2019 but you have let them down? what the can but you have let them down? what they can see _ but you have let them down? what they can see is _ but you have let them down? what they can see is a _ but you have let them down? thrust they can see is a government but you have let them down? r“5:919gt they can see is a government that gets on relentlessly with a programme of uniting and levelling up programme of uniting and levelling up and we have got the biggest investment in infrastructure over a century, £650 billion going in, roads, rail, transport, and all kinds of housing, we have a colossally ambitious programme which we are still doing and at the same time because actually we got the big calls right, as you put it. i did not agree with that, by the way. i’m not agree with that, by the way. i'm auoin not agree with that, by the way. i'm aaoin to not agree with that, by the way. i'm going to agree with it. we _ not agree with that, by the way. i'm going to agree with it. we got - not agree with that, by the way. i'm going to agree with it. we got the i going to agree with it. we got the bia calls going to agree with it. we got the big calls right _ going to agree with it. we got the big calls right on _ going to agree with it. we got the big calls right on womack- going to agree with it. we got the big calls right on womack when i going to agree with it. we got the | big calls right on womack when we came out of lockdown faster and we got it right —— we got the big calls right on covid. i got it right -- we got the big calls right on covid.— got it right -- we got the big calls right on covid. i would like to read somethina right on covid. i would like to read something to _ right on covid. i would like to read something to you, _ right on covid. i would like to read something to you, when _ right on covid. i would like to read something to you, when a - right on covid. i would like to read something to you, when a regime| right on covid. i would like to read i something to you, when a regime has been in _ something to you, when a regime has been in power too long and has

fatally— been in power too long and has fatally exhorted the patients of the people _ fatally exhorted the patients of the people and when oblivion finally beckons. — people and when oblivion finally beckons, i'm afraid that across the world _ beckons, i'm afraid that across the world you — beckons, i'm afraid that across the world you can rely on the leaders of the regime — world you can rely on the leaders of the regime to act in the interests of self—preservation and not in the interests _ of self—preservation and not in the interests of — of self—preservation and not in the interests of the electorate, who said that — interests of the electorate, who said that quote? you interests of the electorate, who said that quote?— interests of the electorate, who said that quote? you are trying me. cicero? aristotle? _ said that quote? you are trying me. cicero? aristotle? plato? _ said that quote? you are trying me. cicero? aristotle? plato? just - said that quote? you are trying me. cicero? aristotle? plato? just to i cicero? aristotle? plato? just to break it to _ cicero? aristotle? plato? just to break it to you, _ cicero? aristotle? plato? just to break it to you, it _ cicero? aristotle? plato? just to break it to you, it was _ cicero? aristotle? plato? just to break it to you, it was you, - cicero? aristotle? plato? just to | break it to you, it was you, prime minister~ — break it to you, it was you, prime minister. maybe it was foresight. i'm about — minister. maybe it was foresight. i'm about to run out of time. i made aioke_ i'm about to run out of time. i made a joke but— i'm about to run out of time. i made aioke but in— i'm about to run out of time. i made a joke but in all sincerity and i know— a joke but in all sincerity and i know this _ a joke but in all sincerity and i know this must be difficult for you personally— know this must be difficult for you personally but this is not funny, it is not _ personally but this is not funny, it is not a _ personally but this is not funny, it is not a game and people are struggling across the country. it is not brave — struggling across the country. it is not brave you carry on doing this and i_ not brave you carry on doing this and i think— not brave you carry on doing this and i think you are hurting the country. — and i think you are hurting the country, prime minister, so on a very— country, prime minister, so on a very human _

country, prime minister, so on a very human level, you must note that it is in— very human level, you must note that it is in the _ very human level, you must note that it is in the country's interest for you to — it is in the country's interest for you to leave now. the it is in the country's interest for you to leave now.— it is in the country's interest for you to leave now. the country is aaoin you to leave now. the country is going through — you to leave now. the country is going through tough _ you to leave now. the country is going through tough times - you to leave now. the country is going through tough times and i i going through tough times and i think we have the biggest, you are making a point about duty, and i look at the issues that this country is facing and i look at the pressures that people are under and the need for government to focus on their priorities which is what we are doing and i look at the biggest war in europe for over 80 years and i cannot for the life of me see how it is responsible of us to walk away from that. as i said earlier on in pmqs, especially when you have a mandate of the kind that we won two, three years ago. 99.5 mandate of the kind that we won two, three years ago-— three years ago. as prime minister shouldn't you _ three years ago. as prime minister shouldn't you spell— three years ago. as prime minister shouldn't you spell out _ three years ago. as prime minister shouldn't you spell out that - three years ago. as prime minister shouldn't you spell out that the i shouldn't you spell out that the pressure — shouldn't you spell out that the pressure of— shouldn't you spell out that the pressure of the _ shouldn't you spell out that the pressure of the economy- shouldn't you spell out that the pressure of the economy is - shouldn't you spell out that the i pressure of the economy is under shouldn't you spell out that the - pressure of the economy is under is actually—

pressure of the economy is under is actually very — pressure of the economy is under is actually very serious _ pressure of the economy is under is actually very serious because - pressure of the economy is under is actually very serious because not i actually very serious because not 'ust actually very serious because not just of— actually very serious because not just of the — actually very serious because not just of the invasion _ actually very serious because not just of the invasion but _ actually very serious because not just of the invasion but because i actually very serious because not i just of the invasion but because we have decided — just of the invasion but because we have decided to _ just of the invasion but because we have decided to make _ just of the invasion but because we have decided to make the - just of the invasion but because wei have decided to make the necessary sacrifices _ have decided to make the necessary sacrifices in — have decided to make the necessary sacrifices in order— have decided to make the necessary sacrifices in order to _ have decided to make the necessary sacrifices in order to resist - sacrifices in order to resist vladimir— sacrifices in order to resist vladimir putin— sacrifices in order to resist vladimir putin and - sacrifices in order to resist vladimir putin and we - sacrifices in order to resist vladimir putin and we are i sacrifices in order to resist i vladimir putin and we are in economic— vladimir putin and we are in economicwar— vladimir putin and we are in economic war with- vladimir putin and we are in economic war with russia i vladimir putin and we are in i economic war with russia and vladimir— economic war with russia and vladimir putin— economic war with russia and vladimir putin and _ economic war with russia and vladimir putin and he - economic war with russia and vladimir putin and he is- economic war with russia and i vladimir putin and he is coining economic war with russia and - vladimir putin and he is coining it on the _ vladimir putin and he is coining it on the energy— vladimir putin and he is coining it on the energy sales _ vladimir putin and he is coining it on the energy sales in _ vladimir putin and he is coining it on the energy sales in our- vladimir putin and he is coining it i on the energy sales in our economy is suffering — on the energy sales in our economy is suffering as — on the energy sales in our economy is suffering as a _ on the energy sales in our economy is suffering as a consequence - on the energy sales in our economy is suffering as a consequence of - on the energy sales in our economy| is suffering as a consequence of the sanctions _ is suffering as a consequence of the sanctions soak _ is suffering as a consequence of the sanctions soak should _ is suffering as a consequence of the sanctions soak should be _ is suffering as a consequence of the sanctions soak should be not - is suffering as a consequence of the sanctions soak should be not spelti sanctions soak should be not spelt out that _ sanctions soak should be not spelt out that it — sanctions soak should be not spelt out that it is — sanctions soak should be not spelt out that it is going _ sanctions soak should be not spelt out that it is going to _ sanctions soak should be not spelt out that it is going to be _ sanctions soak should be not spelt out that it is going to be tough - out that it is going to be tough that these _ out that it is going to be tough that these sacrifices _ out that it is going to be tough that these sacrifices are - out that it is going to be tough - that these sacrifices are necessary to make _ that these sacrifices are necessary to make in — that these sacrifices are necessary to make in order— that these sacrifices are necessary to make in order to _ that these sacrifices are necessary to make in order to secure - that these sacrifices are necessary to make in order to secure the - to make in order to secure the security— to make in order to secure the security of— to make in order to secure the security of our— to make in order to secure the security of our continent? - to make in order to secure the| security of our continent? that to make in order to secure the security of our continent? that is exactly the _ security of our continent? that is exactly the point _ security of our continent? that is exactly the point i _ security of our continent? that is exactly the point i have - security of our continent? that is exactly the point i have been - security of our continent? that is - exactly the point i have been making and i think i made it yesterday, monday, i should say, in this statement on the summits and it is the point that resonates with colleagues around the table in nato and the g7 and other places because the cost of not standing up to vladimir putin is that you encourage further acts of aggression in other parts of the former soviet union,

destabilising the whole continent if not the world, causing further economic distress and uncertainty and going on for years and years. and that is why and i made the point about the decades of peace and stability that followed the second world war when we finally learned to stand up to dictators and not to accept that borders could be changed by force, that decision led to decades of the rule of international law and the expansion of global trade, peace and stability and we need to inaugurate that era again. thank you. iii i need to inaugurate that era again. thank ou. . :, need to inaugurate that era again. thank you-— thank you. if i could move from ukraine to _ thank you. if i could move from ukraine to a _ thank you. if i could move from ukraine to a fish _ thank you. if i could move from ukraine to a fish and _ thank you. if i could move from ukraine to a fish and chip - thank you. if i could move from ukraine to a fish and chip shop| thank you. if i could move from i ukraine to a fish and chip shop in harlow. — ukraine to a fish and chip shop in harlow, and they are down 150

customers per month and their takings — customers per month and their takings are down 5000 towns per month— takings are down 5000 towns per month and their energy bills have gone _ month and their energy bills have gone up _ month and their energy bills have gone up from £1800 up to £3000 per month— gone up from £1800 up to £3000 per month and — gone up from £1800 up to £3000 per month and now he has got to pay over £2 to— month and now he has got to pay over £2 to fill— month and now he has got to pay over £2 to fill up— month and now he has got to pay over £2 to fill up his car extra, £2 per litre. _ £2 to fill up his car extra, £2 per litre. can— £2 to fill up his car extra, £2 per litre, can you understand what is fuelling — litre, can you understand what is fuelling the protests, and although i don't _ fuelling the protests, and although i don't have sympathy for their action. — i don't have sympathy for their action. i— i don't have sympathy for their action, i do have sympathy with what they are _ action, i do have sympathy with what they are asking, and the 5p fuel duty— they are asking, and the 5p fuel duty has— they are asking, and the 5p fuel duty has been swallowed up and actually— duty has been swallowed up and actually this is not sustainable and that you _ actually this is not sustainable and that you need to slash either fuel duty or— that you need to slash either fuel duty or vat but also to look at introducing a pump watch monitor because _ introducing a pump watch monitor because we know that since the 14th ofjune _ because we know that since the 14th ofjune at— because we know that since the 14th ofjune at the wholesale price for diesel— ofjune at the wholesale price for diesel fell .7 .2 per litre but filling — diesel fell .7 .2 per litre but filling up— diesel fell .7 .2 per litre but filling up cost increased by 8.1 p and the — filling up cost increased by 8.1 p and the petrol cost fell by 14.9%

but the — and the petrol cost fell by 14.9% but the pump price rocketed by 17.4 p but the pump price rocketed by 17.4 p so motorists are being fleeced by the government and fleeced by the oil companies so what are you going to do— oil companies so what are you going to do because if you don't do something they will be a canada haulier— something they will be a canada haulier protest around westminster, no doubt _ haulier protest around westminster, no doubt this is going to spread? you have — no doubt this is going to spread? you have been campaigning on this for years and years and i listened to you very attentively. we have cut fuel duty by 5p per litre and that is only about 100 quid per year, i appreciate that is not much for people, it is being swallowed up by what is happening on the forecourt, so we are doing, grant is doing a pump watch scheme to make sure that cuts we are putting in to get passed on but clearly the pressure is there an i hear you loud and clear. one of

the benefits of brexit is that you can cut vat on fuel. [30 the benefits of brexit is that you can cut vat on fuel.— can cut vat on fuel. do you recognise — can cut vat on fuel. do you recognise that _ can cut vat on fuel. do you recognise that you - can cut vat on fuel. do you recognise that you they - can cut vat on fuel. do you i recognise that you they need can cut vat on fuel. do you - recognise that you they need to slash— recognise that you they need to slash it — recognise that you they need to slash it and cut it by a significant amount— slash it and cut it by a significant amount because this is not sustainable? it is hunting front line services and businesses. i hear ou loud line services and businesses. i hear you loud and _ line services and businesses. i hear you loud and clear— line services and businesses. i hear you loud and clear and _ line services and businesses. i hear you loud and clear and we - line services and businesses. i hear you loud and clear and we have - line services and businesses. i hear you loud and clear and we have a i line services and businesses. i hear i you loud and clear and we have a new chancellor and we will see where we get to on that. iii i chancellor and we will see where we get to on that-— get to on that. if i can move to education. _ get to on that. if i can move to education. i — get to on that. if i can move to education, i was _ get to on that. if i can move to education, i was distressed i get to on that. if i can move to i education, i was distressed about the closure of schools and i thought it was _ the closure of schools and i thought it was a _ the closure of schools and i thought it was a big — the closure of schools and i thought it was a big mistake that they closed — it was a big mistake that they closed for most pupils. during covid? it was _ closed for most pupils. during covid? it was a _ closed for most pupils. during covid? it was a big _ closed for most pupils. during covid? it was a big mistake i closed for most pupils. during i covid? it was a big mistake now acknowledged _ covid? it was a big mistake now acknowledged by _ covid? it was a big mistake now acknowledged by the _ covid? it was a big mistake now acknowledged by the previous i acknowledged by the previous education secretary, now the chancellor. there are over hundred and 20.000 — chancellor. there are over hundred and 20,000 ghost children who have not returned to school, persistent

absence _ not returned to school, persistent absence has gone up from 1.6 million now up— absence has gone up from 1.6 million now up to _ absence has gone up from 1.6 million now up to 17— absence has gone up from 1.6 million now up to 1.7 million so what is the government— now up to 1.7 million so what is the government doing to get these kids back into _ government doing to get these kids back into school and will you look at rolling — back into school and will you look at rolling out a programme of 2000 and school — at rolling out a programme of 2000 and school attendance mentors and local authority employers, to look at with _ local authority employers, to look at with -- — local authority employers, to look at with -- to _ local authority employers, to look at with —— to look at the families, to get— at with —— to look at the families, to get the — at with —— to look at the families, to get the kids back in school? you could _ to get the kids back in school? you could use _ to get the kids back in school? you could use the money from the existing — could use the money from the existing families fund in order to do so _ existing families fund in order to do so. . existing families fund in order to do so. , :, ., ., do so. first of all i agree with our do so. first of all i agree with your overall _ do so. first of all i agree with your overall premise, - do so. first of all i agree with your overall premise, that. do so. first of all i agree with your overall premise, that it. do so. first of all i agree with i your overall premise, that it was awful that schools had to close and we did not want to do that we tried to keep it for as short a period as possible. we are trying to get kids back into school as much as we can and one of those things, we are spending about £5 billion on catch

up spending about £5 billion on catch up but one of the things i think is important and up but one of the things i think is importantand i up but one of the things i think is important and i believe in strongly is trying to get kids one on one or one on two, the opportunity of a tuition which they might not otherwise have. i’m tuition which they might not otherwise have.— tuition which they might not otherwise have. �* . «9 ., otherwise have. i'm talking about the children _ otherwise have. i'm talking about the children who _ otherwise have. i'm talking about the children who are _ otherwise have. i'm talking about the children who are not - otherwise have. i'm talking about the children who are not in - otherwise have. i'm talking about| the children who are not in school, and 17— the children who are not in school, and 1.7 million persistently absent. 124.000 _ and 1.7 million persistently absent. 124,000 children have disappeared, the so—called ghost children, from schools _ the so—called ghost children, from schools. we the so-called ghost children, from schools. ~ :, , schools. we will do everything we can to aet schools. we will do everything we can to get the _ schools. we will do everything we can to get the student _ schools. we will do everything we can to get the student back. - schools. we will do everything we can to get the student back. but i can to get the student back. but what do you _ can to get the student back. but what do you do? -- _ can to get the student back. but what do you do? -- everything i can to get the student back. but i what do you do? -- everything we can to get the student back. but - what do you do? -- everything we can to aet what do you do? -- everything we can to get these — what do you do? -- everything we can to get these children _ what do you do? -- everything we can to get these children back. _ what do you do? -- everything we can to get these children back. we - what do you do? -- everything we can to get these children back. we are - to get these children back. we are auttain in to get these children back. we are putting in money _ to get these children back. we are putting in money into _ to get these children back. we are putting in money into the - to get these children back. we are putting in money into the recovery so there _ putting in money into the recovery so there is— putting in money into the recovery so there is a lot for tutoring but also _ so there is a lot for tutoring but also directly targeting for those most _ also directly targeting for those most in — also directly targeting for those most in need so that £2 billion which —

most in need so that £2 billion which should help schools to get those _ which should help schools to get those ghost children back but this is something that, i'm afraid, it will require _ is something that, i'm afraid, it will require a joined up effort. it requires — will require a joined up effort. it requires councils and a lot of bodies — requires councils and a lot of bodies to— requires councils and a lot of bodies to come together to get those children— bodies to come together to get those children back into school. the children's _ children back into school. the children's commissioner said she wanted _ children's commissioner said she wanted the — children's commissioner said she wanted the kids _ children's commissioner said she wanted the kids back— children's commissioner said she wanted the kids back by- children's commissioner said she i wanted the kids back by september. the priority— wanted the kids back by september. the priority for— wanted the kids back by september. the priority for education _ wanted the kids back by september. the priority for education should - the priority for education should be, the priority for education should be. for— the priority for education should be. for the — the priority for education should be, for the education _ the priority for education should i be, for the education department, should _ be, for the education department, should be — be, for the education department, should be to — be, for the education department, should be to get _ be, for the education department, should be to get the _ be, for the education department, should be to get the children - be, for the education department, should be to get the children back| should be to get the children back into school— should be to get the children back into school and _ should be to get the children back into school and it _ should be to get the children back into school and it is _ should be to get the children back into school and it is wrong - should be to get the children back into school and it is wrong that. should be to get the children back into school and it is wrong that so| into school and it is wrong that so many _ into school and it is wrong that so many children _ into school and it is wrong that so many children are _ into school and it is wrong that so many children are missing - into school and it is wrong that so| many children are missing school. this will— many children are missing school. this will damage _ many children are missing school. this will damage their— many children are missing school. this will damage their mental- many children are missing school. i this will damage their mental health and lifetime — this will damage their mental health and lifetime chances— this will damage their mental health and lifetime chances and _ this will damage their mental health and lifetime chances and i— this will damage their mental health and lifetime chances and i would - and lifetime chances and i would ur-e and lifetime chances and i would urge him — and lifetime chances and i would urge him to _ and lifetime chances and i would urge him to look— and lifetime chances and i would urge him to look at _ and lifetime chances and i would urge him to look at the - and lifetime chances and i would i urge him to look at the supporting families— urge him to look at the supporting families fund. _ urge him to look at the supporting families fund. finally, _ urge him to look at the supporting families fund. finally, i— urge him to look at the supporting families fund. finally, i brought. families fund. finally, i brought through— families fund. finally, i brought through a— families fund. finally, i brought through a bill— families fund. finally, i brought through a bill in _ families fund. finally, i brought through a bill in a _ families fund. finally, i brought through a bill in a ten— families fund. finally, i brought through a bill in a ten minute i families fund. finally, i brought. through a bill in a ten minute rule bill in _ through a bill in a ten minute rule bill in the — through a bill in a ten minute rule bill in the national— through a bill in a ten minute rule bill in the national school - bill in the national school infrastructure _ bill in the national school infrastructure which- bill in the national school| infrastructure which would bill in the national school - infrastructure which would treat the schools _ infrastructure which would treat the schools the — infrastructure which would treat the schools the same _ infrastructure which would treat the schools the same as _ infrastructure which would treat the schools the same as other- schools the same as other infrastructure _ schools the same as other infrastructure to _ schools the same as other infrastructure to stop - schools the same as otheri infrastructure to stop them schools the same as other- infrastructure to stop them closing and if _ infrastructure to stop them closing and if there — infrastructure to stop them closing and if there was _ infrastructure to stop them closing and if there was another—

infrastructure to stop them closing and if there was another wave - infrastructure to stop them closing and if there was another wave of i and if there was another wave of covid _ and if there was another wave of covid and — and if there was another wave of covid and the _ and if there was another wave of covid and the government - and if there was another wave of i covid and the government decided and if there was another wave of - covid and the government decided to close schools. — covid and the government decided to close schools, the _ covid and the government decided to close schools, the children's- close schools, the children's commissioner— close schools, the children's commissioner would - close schools, the children's commissioner would have i close schools, the children's commissioner would have a| close schools, the children's- commissioner would have a veto and that would _ commissioner would have a veto and that would make _ commissioner would have a veto and that would make an _ commissioner would have a veto and that would make an individual- that would make an individual decision— that would make an individual decision on— that would make an individual decision on this, _ that would make an individual decision on this, would - that would make an individual decision on this, would you i that would make an individual- decision on this, would you support that concept? — decision on this, would you support that concept? i'iti _ decision on this, would you support that concept?— decision on this, would you support that concept? i'm very happy to look at that and l — that concept? i'm very happy to look at that and i understand _ that concept? i'm very happy to look at that and i understand where - that concept? i'm very happy to look at that and i understand where you i at that and i understand where you are coming from and i think it is clearfrom the data are coming from and i think it is clear from the data i see that the damage to children's education, especially done by the lockdown, continues, and it is disappointing to see the literacy and numeracy statistics. we need to do better. there is no question that has been partly caused by the closures. we are going to move on to integrity in politics— are going to move on to integrity in politics and — are going to move on to integrity in politics and we _ are going to move on to integrity in politics and we are _ are going to move on to integrity in politics and we are bound _ are going to move on to integrity in politics and we are bound to - are going to move on to integrity inl politics and we are bound to overrun because _ politics and we are bound to overrun because we — politics and we are bound to overrun because we have _ politics and we are bound to overrun because we have got _ politics and we are bound to overrun because we have got to _ politics and we are bound to overrun because we have got to do - politics and we are bound to overrun because we have got to do this - because we have got to do this subject— because we have got to do this subject justice _ because we have got to do this subjectjustice so _ because we have got to do this subjectjustice so i _ because we have got to do this subjectjustice so i hope, - because we have got to do this| subjectjustice so i hope, prime minister. — subjectjustice so i hope, prime minister. you _ subjectjustice so i hope, prime minister, you can _ subjectjustice so i hope, prime minister, you can stay- subjectjustice so i hope, prime minister, you can stay until- subjectjustice so i hope, prime minister, you can stay until wel subjectjustice so i hope, prime - minister, you can stay until we have finished _ minister, you can stay until we have finished bob— minister, you can stay until we have finished. bob me. _ minister, you can stay until we have finished. bob me. horat— minister, you can stay until we have

finished. bob me.— finished. bob me. how important is the truth to — finished. bob me. how important is the truth to you _ finished. bob me. how important is the truth to you prime _ finished. bob me. how important is the truth to you prime minister? i the truth to you prime minister? very— the truth to you prime minister? very important. an the truth to you prime minister? very important-— very important. an accuracy of [an a ua a e very important. an accuracy of language and _ very important. an accuracy of language and statement? - very important. an accuracy of language and statement? also very important. an accuracy of - language and statement? also very im aortant. language and statement? also very important- and _ language and statement? also very important. and you _ language and statement? also very important. and you expect - language and statement? also very important. and you expect those i important. and you expect those standards from _ important. and you expect those standards from those _ important. and you expect those standards from those who - important. and you expect those standards from those who work i important. and you expect those i standards from those who work for you in _ standards from those who work for you in downing street either as spokespeople and those who brief ministers — spokespeople and those who brief ministers to speak on behalf of the government?— ministers to speak on behalf of the government? yes. the story concerning _ government? yes. the story concerning the _ government? yes. the story concerning the member - government? i9; the story concerning the member for tamworth broke _ concerning the member for tamworth broke on— concerning the member for tamworth broke on the morning, late evening of the _ broke on the morning, late evening of the 30th, and in the course of subsequent days a number of statements were made by a spokesman on your— statements were made by a spokesman on your behalf in which it was said, in terms. _ on your behalf in which it was said, in terms, that you have not been aware _ in terms, that you have not been aware of— in terms, that you have not been aware of any specific allegations, that is— aware of any specific allegations, that is correct?— aware of any specific allegations, that is correct? yes. that was not riaht. so that is correct? yes. that was not right- so the _ that is correct? yes. that was not right. so the committee - that is correct? yes. that was not - right. so the committee understands, what i was doing, on the friday,

when the allegations were put to me in detail and the fact that a complaint had been made, i was mainly engaged in talking to a witness and removing a whip from the member in question, that is what... what we should have done at the same time, i then left the building, but what we should have done is gone over all the interactions between government, myself and the member for tamworth and got a timeline but i'm afraid we didn't. i should have done that but as a result, things were said that were not right, and as soon as i was aware of the discrepancy we took steps. what we do know is that _ discrepancy we took steps. what we do know is that on _ discrepancy we took steps. what we do know is that on the _ discrepancy we took steps. what we do know is that on the 5th _ discrepancy we took steps. what we

do know is that on the 5th of - discrepancy we took steps. what we do know is that on the 5th ofjuly i do know is that on the 5th ofjuly lord _ do know is that on the 5th ofjuly lord macdonald of salford who was the permanent secretary, the secretary— the permanent secretary, the secretary at the foreign office, he said that _ secretary at the foreign office, he said that the line but it was not accurate — said that the line but it was not accurate and he said mrjohnson was briefed _ accurate and he said mrjohnson was briefed in _ accurate and he said mrjohnson was briefed in person about the initiation and outcome of the investigation and there was a formal complaint _ investigation and there was a formal complaint. i'm sure you have seen that letter— complaint. i'm sure you have seen that letter from lord macdonald. do you accept— that letter from lord macdonald. do you accept the content? yes. that letter from lord macdonald. do you accept the content?— that letter from lord macdonald. do you accept the content? yes. that is entirely correct. _ you accept the content? yes. that is entirely correct. you _ you accept the content? yes. that is entirely correct. you accept - you accept the content? yes. that is entirely correct. you accept what - you accept the content? yes. that is entirely correct. you accept what he | entirely correct. you accept what he sa s? i entirely correct. you accept what he says? l don't— entirely correct. you accept what he says? i don't accept _ entirely correct. you accept what he says? i don't accept absolutely - says? i don't accept absolutely everything _ says? i don't accept absolutely everything but _ says? i don't accept absolutely everything but i _ says? i don't accept absolutely everything but i can _ says? i don't accept absolutely everything but i can tell - says? i don't accept absolutely everything but i can tell you i says? i don't accept absolutely i everything but i can tell you that i don't have it before me, but what i can certainly tell you is that there was a complaint about the member for tamworth in 2019 and that complaint was upheld and the matter was

resolved within the foreign office. it was not deemed to approach the level of criminality or ministerial code but i was briefed on it on two occasions by the proprietary and ethics people who thought it was happening and then on both occasions i had an extremely short call. on friday there was no record of that in number ten. it friday there was no record of that in number ten.— in number ten. it did not stick in our in number ten. it did not stick in your mind? _ in number ten. it did not stick in your mind? is— in number ten. it did not stick in your mind? is it _ in number ten. it did not stick in your mind? is it common - in number ten. it did not stick in your mind? is it common for- in number ten. it did not stick in your mind? is it common for a i your mind? is it common for a serving — your mind? is it common for a serving minister at the crown to be subject— serving minister at the crown to be subject to — serving minister at the crown to be subject to an allegation of sexual impropriety? i subject to an allegation of sexual impropriety?— subject to an allegation of sexual im-arorie ? .,�* . ., ., .. impropriety? i don't want to go into the details of _ impropriety? i don't want to go into the details of the _ impropriety? i don't want to go into the details of the allegations - the details of the allegations because i think there are rules and issues that and i'm not sure that there characterisation of what

happened. but there characterisation of what happened-— there characterisation of what ha-aened. �* . . .. . happened. but it was a serious matter and _ happened. but it was a serious matter and this _ happened. but it was a serious matter and this is _ happened. but it was a serious matter and this is someone i happened. but it was a serious. matter and this is someone who happened. but it was a serious - matter and this is someone who had worked _ matter and this is someone who had worked closely on your leadership team _ worked closely on your leadership team only— worked closely on your leadership team only a few months before so you knew it _ team only a few months before so you knew it was _ team only a few months before so you knew it was sensitive? that team only a few months before so you knew it was sensitive?— knew it was sensitive? that is fair. it is also, knew it was sensitive? that is fair. it is also. to _ knew it was sensitive? that is fair. it is also. to be — knew it was sensitive? that is fair. it is also, to be fair, _ knew it was sensitive? that is fair. it is also, to be fair, almost - knew it was sensitive? that is fair. it is also, to be fair, almost two i it is also, to be fair, almost two and a half years ago. but it is also, to be fair, almost two and a half years ago.— it is also, to be fair, almost two and a half years ago. but it is not the kind of— and a half years ago. but it is not the kind of thing _ and a half years ago. but it is not the kind of thing you _ and a half years ago. but it is not the kind of thing you forget? - and a half years ago. but it is not the kind of thing you forget? asi and a half years ago. but it is not the kind of thing you forget? as i sa , the kind of thing you forget? as i say. now. — the kind of thing you forget? as i say. now. when _ the kind of thing you forget? as i say, now, when it _ the kind of thing you forget? " i say, now, when it was drawn the kind of thing you forget? 3 i say, now, when it was drawn to my attention, a couple of days later, there was a discrepancy between what we were saying abroad, as it were, what number ten was saying, the fact that this briefing had taken place, i took steps to clear it up as soon as possible. i took steps to clear it up as soon as possible-— i took steps to clear it up as soon as -ossible. . , ., . , ., as possible. the suggestion that you could not recall _ as possible. the suggestion that you could not recall what _ as possible. the suggestion that you could not recall what was _ as possible. the suggestion that you could not recall what was said - as possible. the suggestion that you could not recall what was said on - could not recall what was said on your— could not recall what was said on your behalf, is that a serious explanation?— your behalf, is that a serious explanation? your behalf, is that a serious ex-lanation? 9 . . ., .. your behalf, is that a serious ex-lanation? 9 . . ., ., .. explanation? what we failed to do on the first day was _

explanation? what we failed to do on the first day was to _ explanation? what we failed to do on the first day was to go _ explanation? what we failed to do on the first day was to go over _ explanation? what we failed to do on the first day was to go over the - the first day was to go over the possible interactions between myself and the member in question, all the possible decisions i might have taken, and as it happened, the issue, the report about the complaint was not raised to me as a point for any kind of decision. it was simply something that was mentioned to be in the margin of other meetings as a point of, is a point of information about what happened because it was the foreign office that dealt with it. when happened because it was the foreign office that dealt with it.— office that dealt with it. when you were considering _ office that dealt with it. when you were considering appointing - office that dealt with it. when you were considering appointing him i office that dealt with it. when you i were considering appointing him into the government. _ were considering appointing him into the government, most— were considering appointing him into the government, most recently, - were considering appointing him intoi the government, most recently, how true is _ the government, most recently, how true is it— the government, most recently, how true is it that — the government, most recently, how true is it that you _ the government, most recently, how true is it that you wanted _ the government, most recently, how true is it that you wanted him - the government, most recently, how true is it that you wanted him to - the government, most recently, how true is it that you wanted him to be i true is it that you wanted him to be chief— true is it that you wanted him to be chief whip? — true is it that you wanted him to be chiefwhip? bioit— true is it that you wanted him to be chief whip?— chief whip? not my recollection. i don't think— chief whip? not my recollection. i don't think so. _ chief whip? not my recollection. i don't think so. the _ chief whip? not my recollection. i don't think so. the suggestion - chief whip? not my recollection. i | don't think so. the suggestion that he was going to be deputy chief

whip. he was going to be deputy chief whi ._ ~ . he was going to be deputy chief whi,: ., ., ,, he was going to be deputy chief whip ., ., he was going to be deputy chief whi, ., ., , whip. what happened to the messages aourina into whip. what happened to the messages pouring into downing _ whip. what happened to the messages pouring into downing street _ whip. what happened to the messages pouring into downing street about - pouring into downing street about the risk _ pouring into downing street about the risk of — pouring into downing street about the risk of appointing _ pouring into downing street about the risk of appointing this - pouring into downing street about| the risk of appointing this person? there _ the risk of appointing this person? there were — the risk of appointing this person? there were plenty _ the risk of appointing this person? there were plenty of _ the risk of appointing this person? there were plenty of them. - the risk of appointing this person? there were plenty of them. i- the risk of appointing this person? there were plenty of them.- there were plenty of them. i don't know how many — there were plenty of them. i don't know how many but _ there were plenty of them. i don't know how many but there - there were plenty of them. i don't know how many but there were... | there were plenty of them. i don't - know how many but there were. .. why know how many but there were... why couldn't the — know how many but there were... why couldn't the system here there was concern _ couldn't the system here there was concern about _ couldn't the system here there was concern about the _ couldn't the system here there was concern about the appointment? i couldn't the system here there was| concern about the appointment? —— here there — concern about the appointment? —— here there was _ concern about the appointment? -- here there was.— here there was. every ministerial appointment _ here there was. every ministerial appointment automatically - here there was. every ministerial appointment automatically goes| here there was. every ministeriali appointment automatically goes to the propriety and ethics team and they look at everyone. goad they look at everyone. good afternoon- _ they look at everyone. good afternoon. i— they look at everyone. good afternoon. i appreciate - they look at everyone. good afternoon. i appreciate that| they look at everyone. good - afternoon. i appreciate that today is a day _ afternoon. i appreciate that today is a day of — afternoon. i appreciate that today is a day of events and although this meeting _ is a day of events and although this meeting has not white resembled a show— meeting has not white resembled a show trial— meeting has not white resembled a show trial because they want livelier— show trial because they want livelier earlier, this must be quite

difficult _ livelier earlier, this must be quite difficult and i pay tribute to you for turning up—to—date. i�*m for turning up-to-date. i'm delighted — for turning up-to-date. i'm delighted to _ for turning up-to-date. i'm delighted to be _ forturning up—to—date. i�*11 delighted to be here. for turning up-to-date. i'm delighted to be here. at. for turning up-to-date. i'm i delighted to be here. at which for turning up-to-date. i'm - delighted to be here. at which point does it become _ delighted to be here. at which point does it become impossible - delighted to be here. at which point does it become impossible for- delighted to be here. at which point does it become impossible for the i does it become impossible for the government to be continued? i really think that, william, _ government to be continued? i really think that, william, you _ government to be continued? i really think that, william, you are - think that, william, you are underestimating the talent and energy and sheer ambition of members of parliament and they want to get things done. they want to get things done for their constituents and the government of the country is being carried on with ever increasing energy. i carried on with ever increasing enera . . , ., carried on with ever increasing enera . . ., carried on with ever increasing enera. . ., . , energy. i agree with you on that but the issue we — energy. i agree with you on that but the issue we have _ energy. i agree with you on that but the issue we have is _ energy. i agree with you on that but the issue we have is that _ energy. i agree with you on that but the issue we have is that my - energy. i agree with you on that but the issue we have is that my initial. the issue we have is that my initial calculation — the issue we have is that my initial calculation at the start of the meeting _ calculation at the start of the meeting was 27 ministers resigning but they— meeting was 27 ministers resigning but they have been more in the meantime, so do you think the swelling — meantime, so do you think the swelling ranks of those young thrusters on the front banks, can they— thrusters on the front banks, can they replace them? it is thrusters on the front banks, can they replace them?— they replace them? it is highly likel , they replace them? it is highly

likely. yes- — they replace them? it is highly likely. yes. -- _ they replace them? it is highly likely, yes. -- front _ they replace them? it is highly likely, yes. -- front bench. i i think maybe we are all deluded in our ambitions but most people who come to this place actually, in spite of what everybody says about mps, are actuated by the highest motives. most people want to get stuff done and serve their constituents and that is the reality. constituents and that is the reali . , . .. constituents and that is the reali . , , ., , constituents and that is the reali . , , .. reality. entirely so. in terms of the assessment _ reality. entirely so. in terms of the assessment of _ reality. entirely so. in terms of the assessment of individuals, | reality. entirely so. in terms of- the assessment of individuals, which quality— the assessment of individuals, which quality and _ the assessment of individuals, which quality and the deputy chief whip appeal— quality and the deputy chief whip appeal to you most? quality and the deputy chief whip appealto you most? —— in the deputy chief— appealto you most? —— in the deputy chief whip _ appealto you most? —— in the deputy chief whip appeal to you most? let me be chief whip appeal to you most? me be clear, chief whip appeal to you most? i9i me be clear, with the benefit of hindsight i can see that the appointment, as i said in the house, and on tv, i think that appointment was a mistake.—

was a mistake. what about the aualities was a mistake. what about the qualities of _ was a mistake. what about the qualities of the _ was a mistake. what about the qualities of the minister? - was a mistake. what about the qualities of the minister? it i was a mistake. what about the | qualities of the minister? it was ut to qualities of the minister? it was put to me _ qualities of the minister? it was put to me that _ qualities of the minister? it was put to me that like _ qualities of the minister? it was put to me that like everyone - qualities of the minister? it was put to me that like everyone we appoint, remember it had excellent administrative skills. —— the member had. administrative skills. -- the member had. ~ . , administrative skills. -- the member had. ~ , ., , had. was it behind what is colloquially _ had. was it behind what is colloquially known - had. was it behind what is colloquially known as - had. was it behind what is - colloquially known as operation a bil colloquially known as operation a big dog? — colloquially known as operation a big dog? it colloquially known as operation a bi do ? . , colloquially known as operation a biuudo? . ., colloquially known as operation a bi do? ., ., ., big dog? it was in addition to servin: big dog? it was in addition to serving as — big dog? it was in addition to serving as deputy _ big dog? it was in addition to serving as deputy chief - big dog? it was in addition to serving as deputy chief whip| big dog? it was in addition to - serving as deputy chief whip under the previous prime minister and he did a stint in the foreign office and then a stint at the department for communities and local government when he had a role in housing. and this was positive.— this was positive. going back to janua this was positive. going back to january and _ this was positive. going back to january and fabric, _ this was positive. going back to january and fabric, a _ this was positive. going back to january and fabric, a tricky - this was positive. going back to l january and fabric, a tricky time, january and fabric, a tricky time, and some — january and fabric, a tricky time, and some people in the operation used _ and some people in the operation used their— and some people in the operation used their charm in order to

persuade. _ used their charm in order to persuade, and others used aspects which _ persuade, and others used aspects which we _ persuade, and others used aspects which we might call as offensive, to work that_ which we might call as offensive, to work that wonderful you, so why was chris pincher— work that wonderful you, so why was chris pincher the first to be invited _ chris pincher the first to be invited into downing street on the day of _ invited into downing street on the day of the — invited into downing street on the day of the reshuffle when the most senior_ day of the reshuffle when the most seniorioh — day of the reshuffle when the most seniorjob was actually chief whip? it would _ seniorjob was actually chief whip? it would ordinarily be awarded... | it would ordinarily be awarded... [ think it would ordinarily be awarded... think that is it would ordinarily be awarded... i think that is a red herring. li c it would ordinarily be awarded... i j think that is a red herring. did any colleaiues think that is a red herring. did any colleagues express _ think that is a red herring. did any colleagues express concerns - think that is a red herring. did any| colleagues express concerns about the appointment? not colleagues express concerns about the appointment?— the appointment? not to me but concerns--- _ the appointment? not to me but concerns... what _ the appointment? not to me but concerns... what happened - the appointment? not to me but concerns... what happened is i the appointment? not to me but i concerns... what happened is that concerns... what happened is that concerns were expressed after i had made the appointment. mira; concerns were expressed after i had made the appointment.— concerns were expressed after i had made the appointment. why was he in there for four — made the appointment. why was he in there for four hours _ made the appointment. why was he in there for four hours before _ made the appointment. why was he in there for four hours before the - there for four hours before the appointment was made? i there for four hours before the appointment was made? i made the appointment — appointment was made? i made the appointment and — appointment was made? i made the appointment and then _ appointment was made? i made the appointment and then we _ appointment was made? i made the appointment and then we got - appointment was made? i made the appointment and then we got on - appointment was made? i made the l appointment and then we got on with making other appointments but there was a problem that needed to be resolved top what was that problem?

i probably should give this member his... , p, i probably should give this member his... , . , ., ., his... they are investigating him at prime minister _ his... they are investigating him at prime minister and _ his... they are investigating him at prime minister and not _ his... they are investigating him at prime minister and not you. - his... they are investigating him at prime minister and not you. i - his... they are investigating him at prime minister and not you. i don'ti prime minister and not you. i don't want to say — prime minister and not you. i don't want to say any _ prime minister and not you. i don't want to say any more _ prime minister and not you. i don't want to say any more because - prime minister and not you. i don't want to say any more because i - prime minister and not you. i don't i want to say any more because i might not be correct about it. it is want to say any more because i might not be correct about it.— not be correct about it. it is about our not be correct about it. it is about youriudgment — not be correct about it. it is about yourjudgment and _ not be correct about it. it is about yourjudgment and how _ not be correct about it. it is about yourjudgment and how you - not be correct about it. it is about. yourjudgment and how you approach appointing _ yourjudgment and how you approach appointing ministers. let yourjudgment and how you approach appointing ministers.— appointing ministers. let me be clear, i appointing ministers. let me be clear. i made — appointing ministers. let me be clear, i made the _ appointing ministers. let me be clear, i made the appointment i appointing ministers. let me be i clear, i made the appointment and i then got on with making other appointments and there was a delay while the matter was cleared up in announcing the appointment and i was told it had been cleared up. what told it had been cleared up. what needed to be _ told it had been cleared up. what needed to be cleared _ told it had been cleared up. what needed to be cleared up? it i told it had been cleared up. what needed to be cleared up? it was| told it had been cleared up. what| needed to be cleared up? it was a matter concerning _ needed to be cleared up? it was a matter concerning another - needed to be cleared up? it was a i matter concerning another colleague that it would not be right for me to go into. that it would not be right for me to to into. �* , that it would not be right for me to ointo. �* , . that it would not be right for me to iointo.�* , ., that it would not be right for me to nointo. �* , . ., go into. because what happened to that colleague _ go into. because what happened to that colleague was _ go into. because what happened to that colleague was not _ go into. because what happened to that colleague was not right i go into. because what happened to that colleague was not right at i go into. because what happened to that colleague was not right at all. | that colleague was not right at all. iwas _ that colleague was not right at all. iwas not _ that colleague was not right at all. i was not informed at the time but

having been subsequently informed about it i can see that it is another reason not to have appointed another reason not to have appointed a minister... if it was true, do not have that minister imposed. do you believe the — have that minister imposed. do you believe the colleague _ have that minister imposed. do you believe the colleague who - have that minister imposed. do you believe the colleague who came i have that minister imposed. do you believe the colleague who came to | believe the colleague who came to you or— believe the colleague who came to you or do — believe the colleague who came to you or do you believe mr chris pincher? _ you or do you believe mr chris pincher? , , ., ., ., , pincher? these things have got to be examined and _ pincher? these things have got to be examined and i'm _ pincher? these things have got to be examined and i'm not _ pincher? these things have got to be examined and i'm not going - pincher? these things have got to be examined and i'm not going to i pincher? these things have got to be examined and i'm not going to make| pincher? these things have got to be. examined and i'm not going to make a comment about that. what i think happened is that my team interviewed both people and resolve the matter. that is why we proceeded as we did. are you familiar with the lattice principles? | are you familiar with the lattice principles?— are you familiar with the lattice --rinciles? ,, , ., ., ., principles? i knew you were going to ask this. principles? i knew you were going to ask this- this — principles? i knew you were going to ask this. this is _ principles? i knew you were going to ask this. this is about _ principles? i knew you were going to ask this. this is about tommy. i ask this. this is about tommy. indeed. ask this. this is about tommy. lndeed-_ lf - ask this. this is about tommy. indeed._ if you i ask this. this is about tommy. i indeed._ if you were to go indeed. remind me. if you were to go to her majesty — indeed. remind me. if you were to go

to her majesty and — indeed. remind me. if you were to go to her majesty and request, _ indeed. remind me. if you were to go to her majesty and request, not i indeed. remind me. if you were to go to her majesty and request, not to i to her majesty and request, not to advise, _ to her majesty and request, not to advise, lrut— to her majesty and request, not to advise, but to request the dissolution of parliament, could you -ive dissolution of parliament, could you give me _ dissolution of parliament, could you give me two conditions under which her majesty would be justified in decline? —— declining. you her majesty would be 'ustified in decline? -- declining.- decline? -- declining. you are askini decline? -- declining. you are asking wrote _ decline? -- declining. you are asking wrote me _ decline? -- declining. you are asking wrote me about - decline? -- declining. you are i asking wrote me about something decline? -- declining. you are - asking wrote me about something that is not going to happen unless people are crazy enough to have a new leader... we are going to get on. order. prime minister, you said it is not _ order. prime minister, you said it is not going — order. prime minister, you said it is not going to _ order. prime minister, you said it is not going to happen, _ order. prime minister, you said it is not going to happen, unless, . is not going to happen, unless, unless— is not going to happen, unless, unless what? _ is not going to happen, unless, unless what?— is not going to happen, unless, unless what? , ., , , , ., unless what? history teaches us that the best way — unless what? history teaches us that the best way to _ unless what? history teaches us that the best way to have _ unless what? history teaches us that the best way to have a _ unless what? history teaches us that the best way to have a period - unless what? history teaches us that the best way to have a period of i the best way to have a period of stability and government and not to have early elections is to allow people with mandates to get on... unless what? you said, unless what?

unless _ unless what? you said, unless what? unless people — unless what? you said, unless what? unless people ignore _ unless what? you said, unless what? unless people ignore that— unless what? you said, unless what? unless people ignore that very - unless what? you said, unless what? unless people ignore that very good i unless people ignore that very good principle, that history teaches us that the best way to avoid pointless political disturbance is to allow the government that has a mandate to get on and deliver its mandate. unless what? just a minute. unless --eole unless what? just a minute. unless people forget _ unless what? just a minute. unless people forget that. _ unless what? just a minute. unless people forget that. what _ unless what? just a minute. unless people forget that. what does i unless what? just a minute. unless people forget that. what does that l people forget that. what does that mean? on people forget that. what does that mean? 0n the _ people forget that. what does that mean? on the whole _ people forget that. what does that mean? on the whole it _ people forget that. what does that mean? on the whole it is - people forget that. what does that mean? on the whole it is a - people forget that. what does that mean? on the whole it is a good . mean? on the whole it is a good thin i mean? on the whole it is a good thing i think— mean? on the whole it is a good thing i think if— mean? on the whole it is a good thing i think if governments i mean? on the whole it is a good. thing i think if governments which have a substantial mandate from the electorate and are doing an enormous amount of stuff and when that country is facing a lot of pressure especially economic pressure, when there are international issues at stake, i think on the whole it is sensible not to get bogged down in discussion about electoral politics,

but to allow the government of the country... but to allow the government of the count ~ ~ , country... when the prime minister john ma'or country... when the prime minister john major was _ country... when the prime minister john major was threatening - country... when the prime minister john major was threatening a i country... when the prime minister. john major was threatening a general election— john major was threatening a general election because _ john major was threatening a general election because he _ john major was threatening a general election because he was _ john major was threatening a general election because he was having i election because he was having trouble — election because he was having trouble with _ election because he was having trouble with the _ election because he was having trouble with the maastricht - election because he was having trouble with the maastricht bill| election because he was having i trouble with the maastricht bill it is his_ trouble with the maastricht bill it is his reputation— trouble with the maastricht bill it is his reputation no— trouble with the maastricht bill it is his reputation no good - trouble with the maastricht bill it is his reputation no good at- trouble with the maastricht bill it is his reputation no good at all. i is his reputation no good at all. that— is his reputation no good at all. that is— is his reputation no good at all. that is the _ is his reputation no good at all. that is the point _ is his reputation no good at all. that is the point i'm _ is his reputation no good at all. that is the point i'm making. i is his reputation no good at all. i that is the point i'm making. that is an excellent historical lesson and this is the point i'm trying to make. i and this is the point i'm trying to make. ., �* ~' ., , and this is the point i'm trying to make. ., �* ~ ., , make. i don't know why you said unless. if one of the principles of the principles is about finding another prime _ principles is about finding another prime minister, would you accept that principle? i prime minister, would you accept that principle?— that principle? i think all of this is... i that principle? i think all of this is- -- i want _ that principle? i think all of this is... i want to _ that principle? i think all of this is... i want to agree _ that principle? i think all of this. is... i want to agree passionately with what sir bernard has said. if you go back to the 90s, you don't

solve problems by threatening to call elections, you have got to get on with what you are elected to do. that is what the government is doing. it! that is what the government is doinu. �* ., ~ that is what the government is doinu. �* . ,, ., that is what the government is doinu. �* .~ . that is what the government is doing. i'd take it that you accept the lattice _ doing. i'd take it that you accept the lattice principles. _ doing. i'd take it that you accept the lattice principles. insofar- doing. i'd take it that you accept the lattice principles. insofar as| the lattice principles. insofar as the lattice principles. insofar as the are the lattice principles. insofar as they are designed _ the lattice principles. insofar as they are designed to _ the lattice principles. insofar as they are designed to prevent i they are designed to prevent pointless wildcat elections they sound sensible to me.— pointless wildcat elections they sound sensible to me. have you been told of any other— sound sensible to me. have you been told of any other allegation _ sound sensible to me. have you been told of any other allegation similar. told of any other allegation similar told of any other allegation similar to the _ told of any other allegation similar to the conduct of mr pincher, about any other— to the conduct of mr pincher, about any other ministers? i�*m to the conduct of mr pincher, about any other ministers?— any other ministers? i'm going to have to tell— any other ministers? i'm going to have to tell you _ any other ministers? i'm going to have to tell you that _ any other ministers? i'm going to have to tell you that it _ any other ministers? i'm going to have to tell you that it is - any other ministers? i'm going to have to tell you that it is all - any other ministers? i'm going to have to tell you that it is all too l have to tell you that it is all too possible that people have said things to be about any number of people, including possibly about people, including possibly about people around this... it would be a great labour for people around this... it would be a great labourfor me now people around this... it would be a great labour for me now to try to remember each piece of gossip and

innuendo. i remember each piece of gossip and innuendo. ., remember each piece of gossip and innuendo. . ., . . innuendo. i am not asking about a-ossi innuendo. i am not asking about gossip and _ innuendo. i am not asking about gossip and innuendo, _ innuendo. i am not asking about gossip and innuendo, i - innuendo. i am not asking about gossip and innuendo, i am - innuendo. i am not asking aboutl gossip and innuendo, i am asking precisely— gossip and innuendo, i am asking precisely about, you know except that you — precisely about, you know except that you were told about allegations about _ that you were told about allegations about mr _ that you were told about allegations about mr pincher that were upheld, i am asking _ about mr pincher that were upheld, i am asking if— about mr pincher that were upheld, i am asking if you have heard formally of any _ am asking if you have heard formally of any other— am asking if you have heard formally of any other allegations about another— of any other allegations about another minister? | of any other allegations about another minister?— of any other allegations about another minister? i would have to net back another minister? i would have to get back to _ another minister? i would have to get back to you _ another minister? i would have to get back to you. _ another minister? i would have to get back to you. we _ another minister? i would have to get back to you. we are - another minister? i would have to get back to you. we are just i get back to you. we are 'ust auoin to get back to you. we are 'ust going to bring i get back to you. we are 'ust going to bring you fl get back to you. we are 'ust going to bring you away i get back to you. we are just going to bring you away from i get back to you. we are just. going to bring you away from the liaison committee for just a going to bring you away from the liaison committee forjust a moment to bring you up to date. 90 minutes of intense questioning of the prime minister. at least two ministers have resigned during that time, the safeguarding minister also resigning, and we have had this tweet from my colleague...

in fact, i havejust in fact, i have just seen simon in fact, i havejust seen simon hart to go in there just a few minutes ago, so you have the prospect of the prime minister, you have had prime minister's questions, now an hour and a half of intense questioning in the liaison committee, and when he makes the short journey the liaison committee, and when he makes the shortjourney back from the houses of parliament to number ten, it looks like mps are waiting for him to tell him to resign. despite what we are hearing, despite the resignations, the letters of no confidence, the prime minister is in the liaison committee and said it is not responsible to walk away. he was asked by one mp, will you be prime minister tomorrow? asked by one mp, will you be prime ministertomorrow? 0f asked by one mp, will you be prime minister tomorrow? of course, asked by one mp, will you be prime ministertomorrow? of course, he replied. clearly, despite what he wants to do, the pressure is very

much on from the party, many of them saying that a line has to be drawn for the good of the party, for the good of the country, he has to go. so, we will take you back to the liaison committee right now, we expect that to be any fairly soon, and we'll keep you right up to date with any other developments in the meantime. the with any other developments in the meantime. . . ., , . meantime. the allegation is that you have trivialised _ meantime. the allegation is that you have trivialised the _ meantime. the allegation is that you have trivialised the situation. - meantime. the allegation is that you have trivialised the situation. you - have trivialised the situation. you have _ have trivialised the situation. you have riot— have trivialised the situation. you have not even remembered it, perhaps because _ have not even remembered it, perhaps because he _ have not even remembered it, perhaps because he is a useful ally to you, and the _ because he is a useful ally to you, and the point is that you then appointed someone that you believe to be a _ six —— sex pest. six -- sex pest. it was resolved in a way that — six -- sex pest. it was resolved in a way that was — six -- sex pest. it was resolved in a way that was satisfactory - six -- sex pest. it was resolved in a way that was satisfactory to - six -- sex pest. it was resolved in a way that was satisfactory to all i a way that was satisfactory to all parties. there are issues that i

cannot be confident that it was sexual, but there were sexual implications. sexual, but there were sexual implications-— sexual, but there were sexual im-lications. ., . .~i , implications. lord macdonald makes it very clear— implications. lord macdonald makes it very clear that _ implications. lord macdonald makes it very clear that it _ implications. lord macdonald makes it very clear that it was _ implications. lord macdonald makes it very clear that it was very - it very clear that it was very similar— it very clear that it was very similar to _ it very clear that it was very similar to the allegations of what happened... ifi similar to the allegations of what happened- - -_ similar to the allegations of what happened... ifi may say so, i was iiven, happened... ifi may say so, i was given. on — happened... ifi may say so, i was given. on the _ happened... ifi may say so, i was given, on the occasions _ happened... ifi may say so, i was given, on the occasions where - happened... ifi may say so, i was given, on the occasions where it l happened... if i may say so, i was i given, on the occasions where it was mentioned to me, i was given very brief, very sketchy accounts, and i really think... just brief, very sketchy accounts, and i really think. . ._ really think... just seems incredible _ really think... just seems incredible that _ incredible that you wouldn't think that is a — incredible that you wouldn't think that is a matter worth investigating.- that is a matter worth investigating. but it was investigated, _ investigating. but it was investigated, and - investigating. but it was investigated, and it - investigating. but it was investigated, and it was | investigating. but it was - investigated, and it was upheld. investigating. but it was _ investigated, and it was upheld. was neil parish right to resign from parliament? | neil parish right to resign from parliament?— neil parish right to resign from parliament? ,, , ., , . parliament? i think the problem that he had was that... _ parliament? i think the problem that he had was that... was _ parliament? i think the problem that he had was that... was he _ parliament? i think the problem that he had was that... was he right - parliament? i think the problem that he had was that... was he right to i he had was that... was he right to resin? it he had was that... was he right to resign? it was _ he had was that... was he right to resign? it was his _ he had was that... was he right to resign? it was his decision. - he had was that... was he right to resign? it was his decision. he - he had was that... was he right to |

resign? it was his decision. he was doini resign? it was his decision. he was doing something — resign? it was his decision. he was doing something that _ resign? it was his decision. he was doing something that is _ resign? it was his decision. he was doing something that is not - resign? it was his decision. he wasj doing something that is not normal or tolerated in most workplaces. should chris pincher resign from parliament?— parliament? you ask about my relationship — parliament? you ask about my relationship with _ parliament? you ask about my relationship with him, - parliament? you ask about my relationship with him, i- parliament? you ask about my relationship with him, i took. parliament? you ask about my. relationship with him, i took the whip away from him, that is a matter for him. 50 whip away from him, that is a matter for him. ,, ,, whip away from him, that is a matter for him. ~' whip away from him, that is a matter for him. i. ,, i. , ., for him. so you think you should sta ? for him. so you think you should stay? that _ for him. so you think you should stay? that is _ for him. so you think you should stay? that is a _ for him. so you think you should stay? that is a matter _ for him. so you think you should stay? that is a matter for - for him. so you think you should stay? that is a matter for him. l for him. so you think you should i stay? that is a matter for him. all riiht. is stay? that is a matter for him. all right- is it — stay? that is a matter for him. all right. is it right _ stay? that is a matter for him. all right. is it right for— stay? that is a matter for him. all right. is it right for sarah - stay? that is a matter for him. all right. is it right for sarah dines i right. is it right for sarah dines to ask— right. is it right for sarah dines to ask the _ right. is it right for sarah dines to ask the man who was grouped in the carlton — to ask the man who was grouped in the carlton club, whether he was gay? _ the carlton club, whether he was .a ? ., ., the carlton club, whether he was gay? you are asking me about what other members _ gay? you are asking me about what other members are _ gay? you are asking me about what other members are alleged - gay? you are asking me about what other members are alleged to - gay? you are asking me about what other members are alleged to have | other members are alleged to have said. . , ., , , other members are alleged to have said. . , .,, , said. including people in this room, there were — said. including people in this room, there were five _ said. including people in this room, there were five other— said. including people in this room, there were five other mps - said. including people in this room, there were five other mps who - said. including people in this room, j there were five other mps who have mentioned — there were five other mps who have mentioned it. —— witnessed it. was it right, _ mentioned it. —— witnessed it. was it right, or— mentioned it. —— witnessed it. was it right, or was it victim shaming?

as soon _ it right, or was it victim shaming? as soon as— it right, or was it victim shaming? as soon as i— it right, or was it victim shaming? as soon as i knew that the complaint had been made, and i talk to a witness, i removed the whip immediately.— witness, i removed the whip immediately. witness, i removed the whip immediatel. . . ,, ., . immediately. and you talk to sarah dines about — immediately. and you talk to sarah dines about it? _ immediately. and you talk to sarah dines about it? do _ immediately. and you talk to sarah dines about it? do not _ immediately. and you talk to sarah dines about it? do not understand | dines about it? do not understand why this _ dines about it? do not understand why this is — dines about it? do not understand why this is problematic? because it means— why this is problematic? because it means that — why this is problematic? because it means that being gay, for some reason — means that being gay, for some reason or— means that being gay, for some reason or another, means that you are sort— reason or another, means that you are sort of— reason or another, means that you are sort of asking for it? | reason or another, means that you are sort of asking for it?— are sort of asking for it? i see why ou're are sort of asking for it? i see why you're putting _ are sort of asking for it? i see why you're putting it— are sort of asking for it? i see why you're putting it like _ are sort of asking for it? i see why you're putting it like that. - are sort of asking for it? i see why you're putting it like that. i- are sort of asking for it? i see why you're putting it like that. i very i you're putting it like that. i very much doubt that zero... you said yesterday about chris pincher, this is a bit of captain yesterday about chris pincher, this is a bit of captai— is a bit of captain hindsight, if i ma sa , is a bit of captain hindsight, if i may say. you — is a bit of captain hindsight, if i may say. you said _ is a bit of captain hindsight, if i may say, you said i _

is a bit of captain hindsight, if i may say, you said i think - is a bit of captain hindsight, if i may say, you said i think that l is a bit of captain hindsight, if i l may say, you said i think that he was not — may say, you said i think that he was not going to change. you're not going _ was not going to change. you're not going to _ was not going to change. you're not going to change. we'll be doing this time and _ going to change. we'll be doing this time and time again you stay in post, _ time and time again you stay in post. witt— time and time again you stay in post, will be not? i time and time again you stay in post, will be not?— time and time again you stay in post, will be not? i will. coming to this committee, _ post, will be not? i will. coming to this committee, and _ post, will be not? i will. coming to this committee, and i _ post, will be not? i will. coming to this committee, and i hope - post, will be not? i will. coming to this committee, and i hope very i post, will be not? i will. coming to i this committee, and i hope very much to be invited. that this committee, and i hope very much to be invited-— to be invited. that is not what he is askini. to be invited. that is not what he is asking- you — to be invited. that is not what he is asking. you know _ to be invited. that is not what he is asking. you know exactly i to be invited. that is not what he is asking. you know exactly what j to be invited. that is not what he| is asking. you know exactly what i am asking- _ is asking. you know exactly what i am asking- he _ is asking. you know exactly what i am asking. he took _ is asking. you know exactly what i am asking. he took liberties, i am asking. he took liberties, because _ am asking. he took liberties, because he knows that you took tiberties — because he knows that you took liberties and get away with it. i�*m liberties and get away with it. i'm not iuite liberties and get away with it. i“n not quite sure what you are driving at. i not quite sure what you are driving at. ., not quite sure what you are driving at. ~' , ., not quite sure what you are driving at. ,, , ., ,, ., not quite sure what you are driving at. «a, , ~, at. i think you know perfectly well what i am driving _ at. i think you know perfectly well what i am driving at. _ at. i think you know perfectly well what i am driving at. he - at. i think you know perfectly well what i am driving at. he said i at. i think you know perfectly well what i am driving at. he said on i at. i think you know perfectly well. what i am driving at. he said on one of the _ what i am driving at. he said on one of the other— what i am driving at. he said on one of the other broadcast, if you are saying _ of the other broadcast, if you are saying you — of the other broadcast, if you are saying you want me to go under some sort of— saying you want me to go under some sort of psychological transformation, that is not going to happen _ transformation, that is not going to happen as — transformation, that is not going to happen. as that not the problem, you

need a _ happen. as that not the problem, you need a psychological transformation to remain _ need a psychological transformation to remain in office? what need a psychological transformation to remain in office?— need a psychological transformation to remain in office? what we need to do is focus on — to remain in office? what we need to do is focus on the _ to remain in office? what we need to do is focus on the things _ to remain in office? what we need to do is focus on the things that - to remain in office? what we need to do is focus on the things that are i do is focus on the things that are electorate sent us here to settle for all of them. they are how to fix the. covid economic shock, there how to fix the lives of every kid growing up in this country, i think the point was incredibly important. these are the issues that matter to the people of this country, that is what i am focused on.— what i am focused on. they also focus on honesty _ what i am focused on. they also focus on honesty and _ what i am focused on. they also focus on honesty and decency i what i am focused on. they also i focus on honesty and decency and propriety— focus on honesty and decency and propriety and standards in public life, propriety and standards in public life. and — propriety and standards in public life, and they hate it when people, when _ life, and they hate it when people, when they— life, and they hate it when people, when they get caught out, just want to turn— when they get caught out, just want to turn over— when they get caught out, just want to turn over the table and abolish all the _ to turn over the table and abolish all the rules. to turn over the table and abolish allthe rules. let to turn over the table and abolish all the rules. let me ask you one very— all the rules. let me ask you one very specific— all the rules. let me ask you one very specific final question, which isjust— very specific final question, which isjust about the very specific final question, which is just about the ministerial code,

because _ is just about the ministerial code, because it — is just about the ministerial code, because it enshrines the independent in on ministerial interests, in the ministerial— in on ministerial interests, in the ministerial code, you haven't got one at— ministerial code, you haven't got one at the — ministerial code, you haven't got one at the moment, and i hope you're going _ one at the moment, and i hope you're going to _ one at the moment, and i hope you're going to appoint one very soon. we taunched _ going to appoint one very soon. we launched an investigation into is ttama _ launched an investigation into is llama phobia, which i gather lord geidt _ llama phobia, which i gather lord geidt and — llama phobia, which i gather lord geidt and very nearly completed. he. did very geidt and very nearly completed. he: did very nearly give me an update on it, iwill did very nearly give me an update on it, i will have to get back to you. is the going to be a replacement? when? _ is the going to be a replacement? when? as — is the going to be a replacement? when? �* , is the going to be a replacement? when? n ., is the going to be a replacement? when? a is the going to be a replacement? when? . , .,, ., when? as soon as we can find one. you haven't — when? as soon as we can find one. you haven't got _ when? as soon as we can find one. you haven't got enough _ when? as soon as we can find one. you haven't got enough ministers l when? as soon as we can find one. | you haven't got enough ministers to a point _ you haven't got enough ministers to a point yet. — you haven't got enough ministers to a point yet, let alone... you have lost 32 _ a point yet, let alone... you have lost 32 now _ a point yet, let alone... you have lost 32 now— a point yet, let alone... you have lost 32 now. i'm sure there will be no shortage _ lost 32 now. i'm sure there will be no shortage of— lost 32 now. i'm sure there will be no shortage of candidates. - lost 32 now. i'm sure there will be no shortage of candidates. if- lost 32 now. i'm sure there will be no shortage of candidates. if i i lost 32 now. i'm sure there will be no shortage of candidates. if i can j no shortage of candidates. if i can just explain a bit about the replacement for lord geidt, i do think there is an issue. i think we

need to think about it collectively, which is, what happens when we appoint these people, i think they become, they can become, very exposed and very vulnerable to abuse, to political pressure, to campaigns, and i'mjust giving abuse, to political pressure, to campaigns, and i'm just giving you my view, they are much more public than they used to be. christopher i think did an outstanding job, but he was facing a lot of public pressure. he resigned because he thought you had tied _ he resigned because he thought you had tied to _ he resigned because he thought you had lied to him. that he resigned because he thought you had lied to him.— had lied to him. that is not what he said. he had lied to him. that is not what he said- he said _ had lied to him. that is not what he said. he said that _ had lied to him. that is not what he said. he said that he _ had lied to him. that is not what he said. he said that he resigned i had lied to him. that is not what he said. he said that he resigned over| said. he said that he resigned over the question of why steel tariffs should be... he the question of why steel tariffs should be...— the question of why steel tariffs should be... �* , ., should be... he didn't resign over steel tariffs. _ should be... he didn't resign over steel tariffs, you _ should be... he didn't resign over steel tariffs, you know— should be... he didn't resign over steel tariffs, you know perfectly l steel tariffs, you know perfectly well that— steel tariffs, you know perfectly well that is not the truth. 0n steel tariffs, you know perfectly well that is not the truth. on a mac i'm well that is not the truth. on a mac i'm sure _ well that is not the truth. on a mac i'm sure you — well that is not the truth. on a mac i'm sure you have seen is lighter. that— i'm sure you have seen is lighter. that is— i'm sure you have seen is lighter. that is what— i'm sure you have seen is lighter. that is what he says. —— i am sure

you have — that is what he says. —— i am sure you have seen _ that is what he says. —— i am sure you have seen his letter. he resigned because he wanted to investigate your breach of the ministerial code, but he couldn't do that without resigning. that is expressly what his letter says. you must have seen _ expressly what his letter says. gm, must have seen another letter. expressly what his letter says. you | must have seen another letter. no, expressly what his letter says. you i must have seen another letter. no, i read it, must have seen another letter. no, i read it. and — must have seen another letter. no, i read it. and you _ must have seen another letter. no, i read it, and you didn't. _ could you tell us what148 plus could you tell us what 148 plus 32 adds could you tell us what148 plus 32 adds up— could you tell us what148 plus 32 adds up to? — could you tell us what148 plus 32 adds up to? pin— could you tell us what 148 plus 32 adds up to?— could you tell us what 148 plus 32 adds u- to? �* , ., ., . adds up to? i'm 'ust going to leave

that. earner— adds up to? i'm 'ust going to leave that. earlier i i adds up to? i'm just going to leave that. earlierl asked _ adds up to? i'm just going to leave that. earlier i asked you _ adds up to? i'm just going to leave that. earlier i asked you how i adds up to? i'm just going to leave that. earlier i asked you how manyj that. earlier i asked you how many mps ou that. earlier i asked you how many mps you have- _ that. earlier i asked you how many mps you have. this _ that. earlier i asked you how many mps you have. this is _ that. earlier i asked you how many mps you have. this is the - that. earlier i asked you how many mps you have. this is the question desi . ned mps you have. this is the question designed to _ mps you have. this is the question designed to invite _ mps you have. this is the question designed to invite me _ mps you have. this is the question designed to invite me to _ mps you have. this is the question designed to invite me to comment| mps you have. this is the question i designed to invite me to comment on events that i told you i do not want to comment on.— events that i told you i do not want to comment on. you had 358 mps, you did think it was — to comment on. you had 358 mps, you did think it was three _ to comment on. you had 358 mps, you did think it was three and _ to comment on. you had 358 mps, you did think it was three and in _ to comment on. you had 358 mps, you did think it was three and in suit i did think it was three and in suit five, _ did think it was three and in suit five. you — did think it was three and in suit five. you have _ did think it was three and in suit five, you have lost _ did think it was three and in suit five, you have lost a _ did think it was three and in suit five, you have lost a few, - did think it was three and in suit five, you have lost a few, —— i did think it was three and in suit. five, you have lost a few, —— 355. half— five, you have lost a few, —— 355. half of— five, you have lost a few, —— 355. half of 358. — five, you have lost a few, —— 355. half of 358, just _ five, you have lost a few, —— 355. half of 358, just to _ five, you have lost a few, —— 355. half of 358, just to make - five, you have lost a few, —— 355. half of 358, just to make the i five, you have lost a few, —— 355. i half of 358, just to make the maths is simple _ half of 358, just to make the maths is simple for — half of 358, just to make the maths is simple for you. _ half of 358, just to make the maths is simple for you, is— half of 358, just to make the maths is simple for you, is 169, _ half of 358, just to make the maths is simple for you, is 169, 148- half of 358, just to make the maths is simple for you, is 169, 148 plus i is simple for you, is 169, 148 plus 32 adds— is simple for you, is 169, 148 plus 32 adds up— is simple for you, is 169, 148 plus 32 adds up to _ is simple for you, is 169, 148 plus 32 adds up to 180, _ is simple for you, is 169, 148 plus 32 adds up to 180, it's _ is simple for you, is 169, 148 plus 32 adds up to 180, it's not - is simple for you, is 169, 148 plus| 32 adds up to 180, it's not looking very good, — 32 adds up to 180, it's not looking very good, is— 32 adds up to 180, it's not looking very good, is it? _ 32 adds up to 180, it's not looking very good, is it? i— 32 adds up to 180, it's not looking very good, is it? i am _ 32 adds up to 180, it's not looking very good, is it? i am being - very good, is it? iam being generous— very good, is it? iam being generous and— very good, is it? iam being generous and not— very good, is it? iam being generous and not double i very good, is it? i am being - generous and not double counting. i'm generous and not double counting. i'm here _ generous and not double counting. i'm here to— generous and not double counting.

i'm here to talk— generous and not double counting. i'm here to talk about _ generous and not double counting. i'm here to talk about the - i'm here to talk about the government and this policy... without the supportive your party you cannot — without the supportive your party you cannot govern _ without the supportive your party you cannot govern the _ without the supportive your party you cannot govern the country. i without the supportive your party i you cannot govern the country. i've completely— you cannot govern the country. i've completely lost — you cannot govern the country. i've completely lost respect _ you cannot govern the country. i've completely lost respect for- you cannot govern the country. i've completely lost respect for you. i you cannot govern the country. i've completely lost respect for you. [fl completely lost respect for you. if you completely lost respect for you. you look at the actions of today, the bills that we are getting through, we are doing some fantastic things for the people of this country, and we will continue to do so. ~ , , . country, and we will continue to do so. , , . ., so. we will 'ust pull away from the liaison so. we willjust pull away from the liaison committee _ so. we willjust pull away from the liaison committee meeting - so. we willjust pull away from the liaison committee meeting for i so. we willjust pull away from the liaison committee meeting for a i liaison committee meeting for a moment. just one second. is liaison committee meeting for a moment. just one second. is the i'm u n moment. just one second. is the i'm u- for moment. just one second. is the i'm up for boris — moment. just one second. is the i'm up for boris johnson? _ moment. just one second. is the i'm up for boris johnson? -- _ moment. just one second. is the i'm up for boris johnson? -- is - moment. just one second. is the i'm up for boris johnson? -- is the i moment. just one second. is the i'm up for boris johnson? -- is the time | up for borisjohnson? —— is the time up up for borisjohnson? —— is the time up for borisjohnson? —— is the time up for borisjohnson up for boris johnson? -- is the time up for boris johnson—

up for boris johnson miss? this tallies u- she mention simon hart is also one of them, he made it clear to number ten yesterday that it was game over, but it shouldn't have to come by ministerial resignations. if you just were listening to that liaison committee coverage, you will have heard that borisjohnson has been appraised of the latest number situation, 28 ministers resigning, he was told at the start of that meeting, a little over 90 minutes ago, now that number stands at 32, but the prime minister has been pretty bullish, even throughout this intense questioning, saying that he is not responsible to walk away, and askedif is not responsible to walk away, and asked if he was going to be prime minister tomorrow, asked if he was going to be prime ministertomorrow, he asked if he was going to be prime minister tomorrow, he said of course. clearly, a significant number within his party have a

different idea. let'sjust number within his party have a different idea. let's just look in a little bit more detail at what our political editor, chris mason, is also coach tweeting. talking about the group of mps going into number ten at various points today, to tell the premise would stand down. he says that grant shapps is one of that delegation, he has been incredibly loyal, he has been doing the morning to be run, that we understand he is part of that delegation going into tell the prime minister that his time is up. we understand, according to chris, that mr sharps is expected to talk to the prime minister earlier this evening. —— mr grant shapps, early this evening. so, after prime minister's

questions, after this intense questioning at the liaison committee, which continues as i'm speaking to you, no letup in the pressure for borisjohnson, speaking to you, no letup in the pressure for boris johnson, because when he makes the shortjourney back from the house of parliament here to number ten mac, we know that there are mps waiting to talk to him, and it seems, asking him to step down. many of them saying it is for the good of the conservative party, and the good of the country. let's head back to the liaison committee now. who have said that the ministerial code, there can be gradations of sanctions for breaches of the ministerial code. so gradations of sanctions for breaches of the ministerial code.— of the ministerial code. so you should have _ of the ministerial code. so you should have accepted - of the ministerial code. so you should have accepted the i of the ministerial code. so you i should have accepted the report, he should _ should have accepted the report, he should not— should have accepted the report, he should not have _ should have accepted the report, he should not have resigned... - should have accepted the report, he should not have resigned... the i should not have resigned... the system —

should not have resigned... the system would _ should not have resigned... the system would have _ should not have resigned... the system would have been - should not have resigned... the. system would have been changed retrospectively— system would have been changed retrospectively as _ system would have been changed retrospectively as it _ system would have been changed retrospectively as it has - system would have been changed retrospectively as it has done, i system would have been changed | retrospectively as it has done, but you wouldn't — retrospectively as it has done, but you wouldn't even _ retrospectively as it has done, but you wouldn't even accept - retrospectively as it has done, but you wouldn't even accept his i retrospectively as it has done, but. you wouldn't even accept his report. the situation — you wouldn't even accept his report. the situation as _ you wouldn't even accept his report. the situation as i— you wouldn't even accept his report. the situation as i remember- you wouldn't even accept his report. the situation as i remember was, i you wouldn't even accept his report. the situation as i remember was, in| the situation as i remember was, in order to, the situation as i remember was, in orderto, i the situation as i remember was, in order to, i would the situation as i remember was, in order to, iwould have the situation as i remember was, in order to, i would have had to have accepted the home secretary's as a nation, and that did not seem to me, to be a necessary outcome. supposing our to be a necessary outcome. supposing your continuing _ to be a necessary outcome. supposing your continuing office, _ to be a necessary outcome. supposing your continuing office, what _ to be a necessary outcome. supposing your continuing office, what are i to be a necessary outcome. supposing your continuing office, what are the i your continuing office, what are the lessons _ your continuing office, what are the lessons you've _ your continuing office, what are the lessons you've learned _ your continuing office, what are the lessons you've learned from - your continuing office, what are the lessons you've learned from the i lessons you've learned from the appointment— lessons you've learned from the appointment of— lessons you've learned from the appointment of chris _ lessons you've learned from the appointment of chris pincher? i| appointment of chris pincher? i think appointment of chris pincher? think the most important appointment of chris pincher?“ think the most important lesson appointment of chris pincher?_ think the most important lesson is, first of all, be less optimistic about people's ability to learn. perhaps take a bit more interest in it, perhaps take a bit more interest in it. because — perhaps take a bit more interest in it. because it— perhaps take a bit more interest in it, because it is— perhaps take a bit more interest in it, because it is extraordinary... i it, because it is extraordinary... secondly, — it, because it is extraordinary... secondly, when _ it, because it is extraordinary... secondly, when something i it, because it is extraordinary... secondly, when something likel it, because it is extraordinary... i secondly, when something like this happens, make sure that we do a full timetable of exactly what happens,

and when it happened, so that when people go out to brief, they have got all the facts at their fingertips will stop it got all the facts at their fingertips will stop- got all the facts at their fingertips will stop it is not a comms or— fingertips will stop it is not a comms or a _ fingertips will stop it is not a comms or a day _ fingertips will stop it is not a comms or a day here, i fingertips will stop it is not a comms or a day here, prime j fingertips will stop it is not a - comms or a day here, prime minister, it is a _ comms or a day here, prime minister, it is a propriety— comms or a day here, prime minister, it is a propriety and _ comms or a day here, prime minister, it is a propriety and ethics _ it is a propriety and ethics failure _ it is a propriety and ethics failure is _ it is a propriety and ethics failure. is that _ it is a propriety and ethics failure. is that the - it is a propriety and ethics failure. is that the lesson| it is a propriety and ethics i failure. is that the lesson that it is a propriety and ethics - failure. is that the lesson that if we promote _ failure. is that the lesson that if we promote people _ failure. is that the lesson that if we promote people with - failure. is that the lesson that if we promote people with their. failure. is that the lesson that if. we promote people with their own behaviour— we promote people with their own behaviour and _ we promote people with their own behaviour and attitudes _ we promote people with their own behaviour and attitudes in - we promote people with their own behaviour and attitudes in this i behaviour and attitudes in this place — behaviour and attitudes in this place it— behaviour and attitudes in this place it will_ behaviour and attitudes in this place it will give _ behaviour and attitudes in this place it will give permission i behaviour and attitudes in thisi place it will give permission for people — place it will give permission for people to — place it will give permission for people to behave _ place it will give permission for people to behave in— place it will give permission for people to behave in that - place it will give permission for people to behave in that way, i place it will give permission for- people to behave in that way, which is why— people to behave in that way, which is why we _ people to behave in that way, which is why we have _ people to behave in that way, which is why we have a _ people to behave in that way, which is why we have a culture _ people to behave in that way, which is why we have a culture problem i people to behave in that way, which is why we have a culture problem in| is why we have a culture problem in this piece? — is why we have a culture problem in this piece? i— is why we have a culture problem in this lace? ~ ,, m t, this place? i think what you are sa in: is this place? i think what you are saying is very — this place? i think what you are saying is very important. - this place? i think what you are saying is very important. i - this place? i think what you are saying is very important. i have given this a lot of thought, and i do think, there is a problem... with alcohol... and i have always resisted this conclusion in the past, but it feels to me that some people can't take their drink, and we need to think about how we work

that in parliament. this particular incident took place in... it that in parliament. this particular incident took place in. . ._ incident took place in... it didn't take place _ incident took place in... it didn't take place in _ incident took place in... it didn't take place in parliament? - incident took place in... it didn't take place in parliament? there| incident took place in... it didn't i take place in parliament? there is also an issue _ take place in parliament? there is also an issue of _ take place in parliament? there is also an issue of standards - take place in parliament? there is also an issue of standards of- also an issue of standards of behaviour, so i additionally accept that i should have been more stringent in my approach. as i have said earlier, i regret that. don’t said earlier, i regret that. don't we also need — said earlier, i regret that. don't we also need to _ said earlier, i regret that. don't we also need to learn, - said earlier, i regret that. don't we also need to learn, and - said earlier, i regret that. don't we also need to learn, and i- said earlier, i regret that. don't. we also need to learn, and i take said earlier, i regret that. don't . we also need to learn, and i take it that chris _ we also need to learn, and i take it that chris pincher— we also need to learn, and i take it that chris pincher is _ we also need to learn, and i take it that chris pincher is a _ we also need to learn, and i take it that chris pincher is a friend - we also need to learn, and i take it that chris pincher is a friend of- that chris pincher is a friend of yours. — that chris pincher is a friend of yours. but _ that chris pincher is a friend of yours. but we _ that chris pincher is a friend of yours, but we have _ that chris pincher is a friend of yours, but we have also - that chris pincher is a friend of yours, but we have also left i that chris pincher is a friend of. yours, but we have also left him down, _ yours, but we have also left him down, because _ yours, but we have also left him down, because we _ yours, but we have also left him down, because we did _ yours, but we have also left him down, because we did not - yours, but we have also left him down, because we did not give i yours, but we have also left him i down, because we did not give him the slipport— down, because we did not give him the support that _ down, because we did not give him the support that he _ down, because we did not give him the support that he needed? - down, because we did not give him the support that he needed? what| down, because we did not give him i the support that he needed? what do you have _ the support that he needed? what do you have in _ the support that he needed? what do you have in place. _ the support that he needed? what do you have in place, as— the support that he needed? what do you have in place, as a _ the support that he needed? what do you have in place, as a political- you have in place, as a political leader. — you have in place, as a political leader. as _ you have in place, as a political leader. as a _ you have in place, as a political leader, as a leader— you have in place, as a political leader, as a leader of- you have in place, as a political leader, as a leader of political. leader, as a leader of political party, — leader, as a leader of political party. to— leader, as a leader of political party. to help _ leader, as a leader of political party, to help people - leader, as a leader of political party, to help people who - leader, as a leader of politicali party, to help people who have behavioural— party, to help people who have behavioural or _ party, to help people who have behavioural or drink— party, to help people who have| behavioural or drink problems? party, to help people who have i behavioural or drink problems? i think behavioural or drink problems? think that we all have a duty as colleagues to look after each other

and to try to help people, and that is one of the functions of the office of the whip... unfortunately whi -s office of the whip... unfortunately whips have _ office of the whip... unfortunately whips have other— office of the whip... unfortunately whips have other duties, - office of the whip... unfortunately whips have other duties, and - office of the whip... unfortunately whips have other duties, and the l whips have other duties, and the often _ whips have other duties, and the often conflict _ whips have other duties, and the often conflict with _ whips have other duties, and the often conflict with the _ whips have other duties, and the often conflict with the duty - whips have other duties, and the often conflict with the duty of. often conflict with the duty of care, — often conflict with the duty of care, and _ often conflict with the duty of care, and the _ often conflict with the duty of care, and the need _ often conflict with the duty of care, and the need to - often conflict with the duty of care, and the need to be - often conflict with the duty of - care, and the need to be something to support _ care, and the need to be something to support other— care, and the need to be something to support other people, _ care, and the need to be something to support other people, so - care, and the need to be something to support other people, so that - to support other people, so that doesn't — to support other people, so that doesn't work. _ to support other people, so that doesn't work, does _ to support other people, so that doesn't work, does it? - to support other people, so that doesn't work, does it? we - to support other people, so that doesn't work, does it? we nowi to support other people, so that - doesn't work, does it? we now have another— doesn't work, does it? we now have another whip — doesn't work, does it? we now have another whip appointed _ doesn't work, does it? we now have another whip appointed to _ doesn't work, does it? we now have another whip appointed to do - doesn't work, does it? we now have another whip appointed to do the i another whip appointed to do the duty of— another whip appointed to do the duty of care — another whip appointed to do the duty of care work, _ another whip appointed to do the duty of care work, that _ another whip appointed to do the duty of care work, that is - another whip appointed to do the duty of care work, that is not - another whip appointed to do the l duty of care work, that is not going to work. _ duty of care work, that is not going to work. is— duty of care work, that is not going to work. is it? _ duty of care work, that is not going to work. is it?— to work, is it? what are you preposing? _ to work, is it? what are you proposing? i am _ to work, is it? what are you proposing? i am not - to work, is it? what are you | proposing? i am not going to to work, is it? what are you - proposing? i am not going to make oli proposing? i am not going to make policy here. but — proposing? i am not going to make policy here, but what _ proposing? i am not going to make policy here, but what you - proposing? i am not going to make policy here, but what you have - proposing? i am not going to make policy here, but what you have in i policy here, but what you have in place. _ policy here, but what you have in place. as — policy here, but what you have in place, as leader— policy here, but what you have in place, as leader of— policy here, but what you have in place, as leader of your- policy here, but what you have in place, as leader of your party, i policy here, but what you have in place, as leader of your party, is| place, as leader of your party, is not working. _ place, as leader of your party, is not working, would _ place, as leader of your party, is not working, would you - place, as leader of your party, is not working, would you accept . place, as leader of your party, is- not working, would you accept that? there _ not working, would you accept that? there are _ not working, would you accept that? there are issues _ not working, would you accept that? there are issues of _ not working, would you accept that? there are issues of standards - not working, would you accept that? there are issues of standards of- there are issues of standards of behaviour, and i reluctantly come to the conclusion that there is an issue with alcohol.— the conclusion that there is an issue with alcohol. you are the last erson in issue with alcohol. you are the last person in the _ issue with alcohol. you are the last person in the room _

issue with alcohol. you are the last person in the room to _ issue with alcohol. you are the last person in the room to accept - issue with alcohol. you are the last person in the room to accept that i person in the room to accept that there _ person in the room to accept that there is— person in the room to accept that there is a — person in the room to accept that there is a problem. _ person in the room to accept that there is a problem. why- person in the room to accept that there is a problem. why do- person in the room to accept that there is a problem. why do you l person in the room to accept that - there is a problem. why do you think integrity— there is a problem. why do you think integrity in _ there is a problem. why do you think integrity in public— there is a problem. why do you think integrity in public life _ there is a problem. why do you think integrity in public life has— there is a problem. why do you think integrity in public life has become . integrity in public life has become such an _ integrity in public life has become such an issue _ such an issue under your premiership? _ such an issue under your premiership? love - such an issue under your premiership? love i- such an issue under your. premiership? love i think, such an issue under your— premiership? love i think, actually, the reality— premiership? love i think, actually, the reality is. — premiership? love i think, actually, the reality is, -- _ premiership? love i think, actually, the reality is, —— well, _ premiership? love i think, actually, the reality is, —— well, i— premiership? love i think, actually, the reality is, —— well, i think, - the reality is, —— well, i think, the _ the reality is, —— well, i think, the reality— the reality is, —— well, i think, the reality is, _ the reality is, —— well, i think, the reality is, people - the reality is, —— well, i think, the reality is, people want - the reality is, —— well, i think, the reality is, people want to. the reality is, —— well, i think, i the reality is, people want to get me off— the reality is, people want to get me off the — the reality is, people want to get me off the subject _ the reality is, people want to get me off the subject i— the reality is, people want to get me off the subject i want- the reality is, people want to get me off the subject i want to - the reality is, people want to get me off the subject i want to talkl me off the subject i want to talk aboutrm — me off the sub'ect i want to talk about,... �* , , me off the sub'ect i want to talk about,...— me off the sub'ect i want to talk about,... �* , , , ., about,... i've been trying very hard to talk in the _ about,... i've been trying very hard to talk in the session _ about,... i've been trying very hard to talk in the session about - about,... i've been trying very hard to talk in the session about the - to talk in the session about the things that i care about. haifa to talk in the session about the things that i care about. how much consideration _ things that i care about. how much consideration are _ things that i care about. how much consideration are you _ things that i care about. how much consideration are you giving - things that i care about. how much consideration are you giving to - things that i care about. how much consideration are you giving to the | consideration are you giving to the prospect— consideration are you giving to the prospect of— consideration are you giving to the prospect of your _ consideration are you giving to the prospect of your resignation? - consideration are you giving to the prospect of your resignation? i - consideration are you giving to the prospect of your resignation? i am“ prospect of your resignation? i am ha - to prospect of your resignation? i am happy to tell _ prospect of your resignation? i am happy to tell you _ prospect of your resignation? i am happy to tell you that _ prospect of your resignation? happy to tell you that i'm getting on with the job that i was elected to do. 50 on with the 'ob that i was elected to do, ,, ., ., on with the 'ob that i was elected to do. ,, ., ., , on with the 'ob that i was elected to do. ., , , , on with the 'ob that i was elected todo. ., , , to do. so all these problems are basically someone _ to do. so all these problems are basically someone else's - to do. so all these problems are basically someone else's fault? |

to do. so all these problems are - basically someone else's fault? who is responsible? _ basically someone else's fault? who is responsible? who _ basically someone else's fault? who is responsible? who should - basically someone else's fault? who is responsible? who should be - basically someone else's fault? who is responsible? who should be heldi is responsible? who should be held accountable? — is responsible? who should be held accountable? [— is responsible? who should be held accountable?— is responsible? who should be held accountable? ., , , , , accountable? i am responsible, but| am also responsible _ accountable? i am responsible, but| am also responsible for— accountable? i am responsible, but| am also responsible for delivering i accountable? i am responsible, but| am also responsible for delivering a| am also responsible for delivering a huge manifesto commitment that we made in 2019, many of which are now coming through, you asked about what we are doing to make sure that we are taxing electric vehicles properly, there is a colossal body of work that we are engaged on right now. we are uniting and levelling up across the country, with her the biggest infrastructure investment that we have had in 100 years, and i'm going to get on with delivering on the programme that we set out on the priorities of this country, and i know that there will be plenty of people, who for whatever motive, want to throw me off course, by turning it into a story about something entirely different. i think that it would be a fine thing if we focused on the arguments

between us that are about policy, that terabyte agenda, and what you love doing, which is working hard for our constituents, and trying to make their lives better. let's talk, we have had some interesting exchanges about how to control inflation, or motor vehicles, those are the things that people are interested in, and that is what i'm focused on. interested in, and that is what i'm focused on— focused on. bullying and sexual harassment _ focused on. bullying and sexual harassment are _ focused on. bullying and sexual harassment are about _ focused on. bullying and sexual harassment are about a - focused on. bullying and sexual harassment are about a culture | focused on. bullying and sexual l harassment are about a culture of power _ harassment are about a culture of power. have you just sat there and told us _ power. have you just sat there and told us that — power. have you just sat there and told us that alcohol is an excuse? not at _ told us that alcohol is an excuse? not at all — told us that alcohol is an excuse? not at all. is told us that alcohol is an excuse? not at all. , ., , told us that alcohol is an excuse? not at all-— not at all. is it throwing us softer sto b not at all. is it throwing us softer story by trying _ not at all. is it throwing us softer story by trying to _ not at all. is it throwing us softer story by trying to talk _ not at all. is it throwing us softer story by trying to talk about - story by trying to talk about alcohol _ story by trying to talk about alcohol rather than the culture that has allowed those— alcohol rather than the culture that has allowed those behavioursnot at all. i observed _ has allowed those behavioursnot at all. i observed that _ has allowed those behavioursnot at all. i observed that some _ has allowed those behavioursnot at all. i observed that some people i all. i observed that some people seem to get very drunk, but that in no way minimises the underlying pattern of behaviour. that

no way minimises the underlying pattern of behaviour.— no way minimises the underlying pattern of behaviour. that is what ou have pattern of behaviour. that is what you have just _ pattern of behaviour. that is what you have just done. _ pattern of behaviour. that is what you havejust done. i _ pattern of behaviour. that is what you havejust done. i vehemently| you have 'ust done. i vehemently den you havejust done. i vehemently deny that- _ you havejust done. i vehemently deny that. the _ you havejust done. i vehemently deny that. the programmes - you havejust done. i vehemently deny that. the programmes and l you have just done. i vehemently i deny that. the programmes and the olicies of deny that. the programmes and the policies of your _ deny that. the programmes and the policies of your government, - deny that. the programmes and the policies of your government, and i deny that. the programmes and the | policies of your government, and the welfare _ policies of your government, and the welfare of— policies of your government, and the welfare of the — policies of your government, and the welfare of the british _ policies of your government, and the welfare of the british people, - policies of your government, and the welfare of the british people, are - welfare of the british people, are indispensable. _ welfare of the british people, are indispensable. if— welfare of the british people, are indispensable. if you _ welfare of the british people, are indispensable. if you are - welfare of the british people, are i indispensable. if you are becoming an obstruction _ indispensable. if you are becoming an obstruction to _ indispensable. if you are becoming an obstruction to the _ indispensable. if you are becoming an obstruction to the achievement| indispensable. if you are becoming l an obstruction to the achievement of those _ an obstruction to the achievement of those ainrs. — an obstruction to the achievement of those ainrs. i— an obstruction to the achievement of those aims, i hope _ an obstruction to the achievement of those aims, i hope you _ an obstruction to the achievement of those aims, i hope you will- an obstruction to the achievement of those aims, i hope you will consideri those aims, i hope you will consider your position — those aims, i hope you will consider your position~ titt— those aims, i hope you will consider your position-— your position. of course i will, but i want to know _ your position. of course i will, but i want to know -- _ your position. of course i will, but i want to know -- i _ your position. of course i will, but i want to know -- i want - your position. of course i will, but i want to know -- i want you - your position. of course i will, but i want to know -- i want you to i i want to know —— i want you to know... i want to know -- i want you to know... ~ i want to know -- i want you to know- - -— know... will you resign if it is clear that _ know... will you resign if it is clear that you _ know... will you resign if it is clear that you do _ know... will you resign if it is clear that you do not - know... will you resign if it is clear that you do not have - know... will you resign if it is| clear that you do not have the confidence of a majority of conservative mps? confidence of a ma'ority of conservative mps?_ confidence of a ma'ority of conservative mps? you're talking about political— conservative mps? you're talking about political events _ conservative mps? you're talking about political events when - conservative mps? you're talking about political events when i'm . conservative mps? you're talking i about political events when i'm here to talk about... i

about political events when i'm here to talk about. . ._ to talk about... i am asking you to consider that _ to talk about... i am asking you to consider that if— to talk about... i am asking you to consider that if you _ to talk about... i am asking you to consider that if you have _ to talk about... i am asking you to consider that if you have lost - to talk about... i am asking you to consider that if you have lost the i consider that if you have lost the confidence of your mps that you will stand _ confidence of your mps that you will stand aside and allow a leadership contest _ stand aside and allow a leadership contest to— stand aside and allow a leadership contest to take place. that is the proper— contest to take place. that is the proper procedure, isn't it? what i'm auoin to proper procedure, isn't it? what i'm going to do. — proper procedure, isn't it? what i'm going to do. is _ proper procedure, isn't it? what i'm going to do. is get _ proper procedure, isn't it? what i'm going to do, is get on... _ proper procedure, isn't it? what i'm going to do, is get on... i _ proper procedure, isn't it? what i'm going to do, is get on... i need - proper procedure, isn't it? what i'm going to do, is get on... i need you | going to do, is get on... i need you to answer— going to do, is get on... i need you to answer this _ going to do, is get on... i need you to answer this question _ going to do, is get on... i need you to answer this question prime - to answer this question prime minister _ to answer this question prime minister i'm _ to answer this question prime minister. i'm going _ to answer this question prime minister. i'm going to - to answer this question prime minister. i'm going to ask- to answer this question primej minister. i'm going to ask you to answer this question prime - minister. i'm going to ask you one more _ minister. i'm going to ask you one more time — minister. i'm going to ask you one more time if— minister. i'm going to ask you one more time. if you _ minister. i'm going to ask you one more time. if you have _ minister. i'm going to ask you one more time. if you have lost - minister. i'm going to ask you one more time. if you have lost the i more time. if you have lost the confidence _ more time. if you have lost the confidence of— more time. if you have lost the confidence of your— more time. if you have lost the confidence of your mps, - more time. if you have lost the confidence of your mps, and i more time. if you have lost the . confidence of your mps, and your required — confidence of your mps, and your required to— confidence of your mps, and your required to step _ confidence of your mps, and your required to step down, _ confidence of your mps, and your required to step down, you i confidence of your mps, and your required to step down, you will. confidence of your mps, and your. required to step down, you will not seek the _ required to step down, you will not seek the dissolution _ required to step down, you will not seek the dissolution of _ required to step down, you will notj seek the dissolution of parliament. the last— seek the dissolution of parliament. the last thing — seek the dissolution of parliament. the last thing this _ seek the dissolution of parliament. the last thing this country - seek the dissolution of parliament. the last thing this country needs i seek the dissolution of parliament. the last thing this country needs is| the last thing this country needs is a general election, the risk is that people continue to focus on this type of thing, and i think that is a

mistake. ., ., , mistake. how would it help the crisis in ukraine, _ mistake. how would it help the crisis in ukraine, the _ mistake. how would it help the crisis in ukraine, the cost i mistake. how would it help the crisis in ukraine, the cost of. crisis in ukraine, the cost of living — crisis in ukraine, the cost of living crisis. _ crisis in ukraine, the cost of living crisis, if— crisis in ukraine, the cost of living crisis, if you - crisis in ukraine, the cost of living crisis, if you are i crisis in ukraine, the cost of. living crisis, if you are plunged into— living crisis, if you are plunged into a — living crisis, if you are plunged into a general— living crisis, if you are plunged into a general election - living crisis, if you are plunged into a general election that i living crisis, if you are plunged i into a general election that nobody wants? _ into a general election that nobody wants? , , , ., into a general election that nobody wants? , , ., ., _ ., wants? this is your fantasy. i have rolled it out. _ wants? this is your fantasy. i have rolled it out. -- _ wants? this is your fantasy. i have rolled it out. -- ruled _ wants? this is your fantasy. i have rolled it out. -- ruled it _ wants? this is your fantasy. i have rolled it out. -- ruled it out. - wants? this is your fantasy. i have rolled it out. -- ruled it out. the i rolled it out. —— ruled it out. the most likely date for the next election is 202a. we have a huge amount to deliver, we are going to get on and do it. bind amount to deliver, we are going to get on and do it.— get on and do it. and you will resin if get on and do it. and you will resign if a _ get on and do it. and you will resign if a vote _ get on and do it. and you will resign if a vote of _ get on and do it. and you will resign if a vote of confidence | get on and do it. and you will i resign if a vote of confidence in the conservative party is carried out? _ the conservative party is carried out? ., �* ., ., ., out? you're asking me to comment on olitics, i out? you're asking me to comment on politics. i think — out? you're asking me to comment on politics. i think it _ out? you're asking me to comment on politics, i think it is _ out? you're asking me to comment on politics, i think it is important - politics, i think it is important that we get on deliver on our agenda, and that is what i was elected to do. i agenda, and that is what i was elected to do.— elected to do. i think it is the understanding _ elected to do. i think it is the understanding of _ elected to do. i think it is the understanding of this - elected to do. i think it is the i understanding of this committee elected to do. i think it is the - understanding of this committee that you envisage — understanding of this committee that you envisage a — understanding of this committee that you envisage a general— understanding of this committee that you envisage a general election- understanding of this committee that you envisage a general election in- you envisage a general election in 2023 _ you envisage a general election in 2023 or— you envisage a general election in 2023 or 2024. _ you envisage a general election in 2023 or 2024, and _ you envisage a general election in

2023 or 2024, and if— you envisage a general election in 2023 or 2024, and if you - you envisage a general election in 2023 or 2024, and if you have i you envisage a general election in| 2023 or 2024, and if you have lost the confidence _ 2023 or 2024, and if you have lost the confidence of— 2023 or 2024, and if you have lost the confidence of your— 2023 or 2024, and if you have lost the confidence of your own - 2023 or 2024, and if you have lost the confidence of your own mps, i 2023 or 2024, and if you have lost. the confidence of your own mps, and you cease _ the confidence of your own mps, and you cease to— the confidence of your own mps, and you cease to be — the confidence of your own mps, and you cease to be leader— the confidence of your own mps, and you cease to be leader of— the confidence of your own mps, and you cease to be leader of the - you cease to be leader of the conservative _ you cease to be leader of the conservative party, - you cease to be leader of the conservative party, you i you cease to be leader of the conservative party, you will. you cease to be leader of the i conservative party, you will not plunge — conservative party, you will not plunge that _ conservative party, you will not plunge that this _ conservative party, you will not plunge that this country- conservative party, you will not plunge that this country into i conservative party, you will not plunge that this country into an| plunge that this country into an unwanted — plunge that this country into an unwanted general— plunge that this country into an unwanted general election? i. plunge that this country into an unwanted general election? i have been very clear — unwanted general election? i have been very clear with _ unwanted general election? i have been very clear with you. - unwanted general election? i have been very clear with you. is - unwanted general election? i have been very clear with you. is that i been very clear with you. is that es or been very clear with you. is that yes or no? _ been very clear with you. is that yes or no? what _ been very clear with you. is that yes or no? what we _ been very clear with you. is that yes or no? what we need - been very clear with you. is that yes or no? what we need a i been very clear with you. is that i yes or no? what we need a stable government. _ yes or no? what we need a stable government, loving _ yes or no? what we need a stable government, loving each - yes or no? what we need a stable government, loving each other. yes or no? what we need a stable government, loving each other as conservatives, and getting on with our priorities. that is what we need to do. i our priorities. that is what we need to do. ., . , our priorities. that is what we need todo. ., ., , ., , to do. i love all my colleagues in the house _ to do. i love all my colleagues in the house of _ to do. i love all my colleagues in the house of commons. - to do. i love all my colleagues in the house of commons. you i to do. i love all my colleagues in the house of commons. you are | the house of commons. you are watchin: the house of commons. you are watching bbc— the house of commons. you are watching bbc news, _ the house of commons. you are watching bbc news, do - the house of commons. you are watching bbc news, do stay i the house of commons. you are | watching bbc news, do stay with the house of commons. you are i watching bbc news, do stay with us for continuing coverage of the dramatic political developments of westminster at this moment. i'm going to talk a little bit about that committee hearing, what you heard at the end, because it is very interesting. let mejust heard at the end, because it is very interesting. let me just say though, according to the bbc political correspondence, a group of cabinet ministers, led by the government chief whip, who is in charge of making sure that mps support the

government, and cabinet ministers including the wales secretary simon harris, and also the northern ireland secretary brandon lewis, among others, is in downing street, or is heading to downing street, to tell the prime minister that they want him to resign. why that conversation about an election matters, why they want the prime minister to rule out calling an election, is that there is some fear among conservative mps that his fee is told he has lost their confidence, he could go to the queen and ask for the dissolution of parliament to try and get our... date. it would be very unusual circumstances, not without precedent, because lloyd george, when his country was divided, he did indeed lead a general election when she won with many liberals against him. these are very unusual circumstances, but it is very unlikely, they were trying to make him rule it out, you can make a full

it what you will, as to whether he did that. you're watching bbc news. today at five we are alive and downing street where borisjohnson is at downing street. over the last two hours he's been facing a committee of mps at the house of commons and questioned repeatedly about his leadership. how was your week going? terrific. like many others. did how was your week going? terrific. like many others.— how was your week going? terrific. like many others. did michael gove come and tell— like many others. did michael gove come and tell you _ like many others. did michael gove come and tell you to _ like many others. did michael gove come and tell you to do _ like many others. did michael gove come and tell you to do sewing i like many others. did michael gove come and tell you to do sewing to i like many others. did michael govel come and tell you to do sewing to do i said earlier discussed earlier, that i'm here to talk about what the government are doing. i’m that i'm here to talk about what the government are doing.— that i'm here to talk about what the government are doing. i'm not giving a runnina government are doing. i'm not giving a running commentary _ government are doing. i'm not giving a running commentary on _ government are doing. i'm not giving a running commentary on political. a running commentary on political events.