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will, as to whether he it what you will, as to whether he did that. you're watching bbc news. today at five we are alive and downing street where borisjohnson is at downing street. over the last two hours he's been facing a committee of mps at the house of commons and questioned repeatedly about his leadership. how was your week going? terrific. like many others. did how was your week going? terrific. like many others.— how was your week going? terrific. like many others. did michael gove come and tell— like many others. did michael gove come and tell you _ like many others. did michael gove come and tell you to _ like many others. did michael gove come and tell you to do _ like many others. did michael gove come and tell you to do sewing - like many others. did michael gove come and tell you to do sewing to l like many others. did michael govel come and tell you to do sewing to do i said earlier discussed earlier, that i'm here to talk about what the government are doing. i’m that i'm here to talk about what the government are doing.— that i'm here to talk about what the government are doing. i'm not giving a runnina government are doing. i'm not giving a running commentary _ government are doing. i'm not giving a running commentary on _ government are doing. i'm not giving a running commentary on political. a running commentary on political
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events. , , , ., ., , a running commentary on political events. , ,, ., ., , ., ., events. despite that answer, among the cabinet ministers _ events. despite that answer, among the cabinet ministers urging - events. despite that answer, among the cabinet ministers urging the - the cabinet ministers urging the prime minister apparently to michael gove, a senior member of government. sajid javid, whose departure yesterday as health secretary set everything in motion — said the government's problems started �*at the top'. there are only so many times you can't on that machine on and off before you realise that something is fundamentally wrong. at pmqs, where the absence of support for the prime minister was very noticeable, the labour leader added his voice to the chorus telling mrjohnson to leave office. isn't this the first recorded case of the sinking ships are fleeing the rights? we'll have all the latest developments from westminster, and from here in downing street. and we will be getting the mood among those conservative mps at westminster. stay with us.
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we are bringing you the very latest on this political crisis that has engulfed borisjohnson in the past 24 engulfed borisjohnson in the past 2a hours or so. we are still expecting the prime minister to return to downing street from the session with the parliamentary committee that has been going on for the past couple of others. the bbc has learned that a group of ministers probably including the chief whip, grand grant shops and brandon lewis are agreed to tell the prime minister to resign. that is the report that we are getting, borisjohnson the report that we are getting, boris johnson however the report that we are getting, borisjohnson however has said repeatedly that he is keeping on with the job. repeatedly that he is keeping on with thejob. he has
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repeatedly that he is keeping on with the job. he has a repeatedly that he is keeping on with thejob. he has a mandate repeatedly that he is keeping on with the job. he has a mandate from voters, and he wants to carry on, and that is despite a of government resignations today. dozens of them, many former ministers and aides have been expressing the deep unhappiness that the prime minister's condit and her style of leadership, and has levels of competence. and they have been telling about their concerns at the government's work is being overshadowed by questions about the prime minister's truthfulness and integrity. right now, the executive of the 1922 committee, the backbench committee of mps is meeting. it is composed of senior backbenchers. there is an expectation that they will be discussing the party's leadership roles, possibly with a view to changing them so that there can be another challenge to the prime minister. he survived a challenge, of course, several weeks ago. let's take a closer look at what has been going on.
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so fara so far a total of 3a mps have resigned. michael gove has already been seen that he wanted the prime minister to resign. there is also why wider discontent among tory backbenchers over mrjohnson�*s leadership, with previously loyal mps were publicly submitting letters of no confidence. on the man who quit as health secretaryjust yesterday, sajid javid, made a very critical resignation speech and the commons. he said something was fundamentally wrong at number ten. the problem starts at the top, and thatis the problem starts at the top, and that is not going to change. that's where we are. we're just putting strands together at just 20 five where we are. we're just putting strands together atjust 20 five p m on bbc news, and waiting for the prime minister to return to downing street, where there is likely to be
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a kind of welcoming party, if you can pick a kind of welcoming party, if you can pick it a kind of welcoming party, if you can pick it that a kind of welcoming party, if you can pick it that would a kind of welcoming party, if you can pick it that would come a kind of welcoming party, if you can pick it that would come of minister to are likely to convey their views and for that the prime minister should stay or go. with me as our political correspondent ian watson, and she has been following this in detailfor watson, and she has been following this in detail for the last few days. and i'm just thinking, right now, do you expect to be some kind of group of people under waiting for the prime minister to come back, and to a message? i do the prime minister to come back, and to a message?— to a message? i do expect that. at the moment _ to a message? i do expect that. at the moment we — to a message? i do expect that. at the moment we know _ to a message? i do expect that. at the moment we know that - to a message? i do expect that. at the moment we know that by - to a message? i do expect that. at the moment we know that by the l to a message? i do expect that. at i the moment we know that by the end it as a secretary of state for wales, simon hart, and significantly he did not publicly support the prime minister yesterday when he was getting those pledges of loyalty. i'm not sure borisjohnson will meet everyone at once, but the northern ireland secretary brandon lewis will be seeing him later on, and kwasi kwarteng, the business secretary who stayed loyal yesterday, has no city has spoken to the chief whip and said that borisjohnson ought to go. we expect the chief whip himself,
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chris heaton—harris, to meet the prime minister. he has already met him today, but it was the night he was pushing the prime minister out. he was briefing the prime minister ahead of that liaison committee, but as we saw he had some difficult question. he will be going back in to see him, and that is very significant, because of this you can tell if he retains the confidence of his politics is because my college. i cover in the commons, the 1992 committee meeting currently, there is some speculation that that committee could decide to chain stores to make another vote of confidence more likely in the prime minister. —— could change the rules. one final thing, also significant that one cover the staunchest and probably best defenders in the media over the past few months, grant shapps, the transport secretary, also likely to be joined that delegation, so it does very much feel like we are living and the last days of the boris johnson feel like we are living and the last days of the borisjohnson tenure at
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downing street. days of the boris johnson tenure at downing street.— downing street. that's obvious for some of this. _ downing street. that's obvious for some of this, because _ downing street. that's obvious for some of this, because they - downing street. that's obvious for some of this, because they could l some of this, because they could well have been watching, as we all have been watching, as we all have, the prime minister that committee just a short while ago, defiant, very kind of forthright and the way that he said, i have got a big mandate, which he has, and that is from the voters, not from mps, and i want to carry on. i have got a job to do. while all this is going on, outside the committee room, how do weeks where those two things? it is weeks where those two things? it is uuite weeks where those two things? it is quite secure. _ weeks where those two things? it 3 quite secure, because i was in central lobby in the house of commons, i was listening to that liaison committee, but also talking to mps walking past. in that time, taymor said he had submitted letters of no confidence for the session was going on. we also had too what ministerial resignations, a junior ministerial resignations, a junior minister resigning come about boris was maintained he was getting on with the job. there was a real prison when effectively he suggested that there might even be an early election. he said there wouldn't be
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unless the government but about mandates, unless that mandate was not being respected. it was cross—examined by a senior backbencher on what he meant by that, and they seem to withdraw a little bit and say he was against wildcat election. there is no definition of what that is, but it is very fibril, and westminster is a hotbed of speculation, but nonetheless there is a fear on some people on his one side if he has faced the prospect of toll but enough mps to vote no confidence in him, that he might decide that the verdict should lie with the people are not with his fellow conservative. in are not with his fellow conservative.- are not with his fellow conservative. ., ., conservative. in a moment, we will have another— conservative. in a moment, we will have another look _ conservative. in a moment, we will have another look at _ conservative. in a moment, we will have another look at what - conservative. in a moment, we will| have another look at what happened in the liaison committee earlier, just to remind yourself. butjust a final point, as the prime minister in a position to call some kind of election if you wanted to? this is a very burning question right now, positive as they could achieve that, because there are all kinds of constitutional layers which need to
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be got past, if you like, are managed in some kind of way. so, let's step back from that for a second, before we get to talk about elections, that talk about the way that the prime minister might or might not be persuaded to step down. now, it could happen by meeting senior colleagues. what happens if he says no to them and says, i'm not going anywhere? let he says no to them and says, i'm not going anywhere?— going anywhere? let me give you a -~ercentae going anywhere? let me give you a percentage which _ going anywhere? let me give you a percentage which i _ going anywhere? let me give you a percentage which i think— going anywhere? let me give you a percentage which i think is - percentage which i think is significant, but by our calculations, 20%, one in five of mps associated with the government, for the parliamentary age, flips, government ministers, have now gone and a special 2a hours. we were this afternoon to serve in government ministers and one of them said, how on earth to be governed? ministers have to go to the dispatch box and answer questions from their own side and the opposition in the departments come under might not be
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enough of them in some departments to staff that. you could easily replace your chancellor, you could easily replace with health secretary. once you get into the peals of government, into the junior ministers at milik make the machine to come if you are losing so many of them, it becomes quite difficult. he was asked in relation committee by a couple of mps for that this was possible. he said, we have got a wealth of talent. he was still putting a brave face on it and send the government could function, but it is a worry. i was also told by a serving minister that some of his colleagues are discussing for that they are now resign because they don't want to be tainted by association with borisjohnson, or for that through a sense of duty, as he put it, they stay on to make sure there are some functioning government even if there is a confidence vote in borisjohnson and he is told to go. given that as a kind of conversations we are having, thatis kind of conversations we are having, that is an indication of the pressure that is on the prime minister within the parliamentary
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party. the other thing we discussed is changing due chose to have another confidence vote, there were certainly struck in the past 2a of us by the number of people who previously told me they voted for borisjohnson at previously told me they voted for boris johnson at the last previously told me they voted for borisjohnson at the last confidence vote are telling me they will not vote are telling me they will not vote for him if there is another one. don't go anywhere. we will talk again in a moment. find one. don't go anywhere. we will talk again in a moment.— again in a moment. and as of the olitical again in a moment. and as of the political noise _ again in a moment. and as of the political noise is _ again in a moment. and as of the political noise is loud _ again in a moment. and as of the political noise is loud enough, . again in a moment. and as of thej political noise is loud enough, we are trying again of course by some musical noises off. so, bear with us if you can hear some of that going on as well. part of the noise here at westminster, as you can imagine. as we have been podcasting throughout the afternoon, the prime minister has been, for 90 minutes or so, asking questions on a big range of topics committee duties as prime minister. it is a traditional certain that the prime minister does with what is called the liaison committee, if it is a traditional certain that the prime minister does with what is called the liaison committee, a very individual select committees. committee, and they have
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been asking about the prime minister's duty�*s, and inevitably there were questions about his leadership too, although the prime minister didn't really want to tackle those. the first question came from 100 own mps, the conservative mp and chair of the roses select committee, stephen crabb. do you accept, prime minister — forgive me for asking this — that at a time of such economic crisis for the country, for many families up and down the country, that what the country needs is a government with the very best team, the very best of focus, absolutely squarely focused on tackling these issues? and when you see, prime minister, people like john glen leaving government, people like kemi badenoch, people like neil o'brien, one of the intellectual architects of levelling up, do you not feel, prime minister, the very ability, capacity of this government to address these enormous overhanging issues is deteriorating as we speak? you're being very kind about us on the back benches,
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but i think you're going to find it extremely hard to appoint people of the same calibre of the kind of ministers i've mentioned to you. i think you'll find it extremely difficult. you don't need to. reply to that point. i think the point's been made. you're catching my eye, - you're a little bit under time. yes. yes, prime minister, just following on from that, you've had more resignations since any prime minister since 1932. michael gove has told you to go. the game's up, really. will you be prime minister tomorrow? of course, mr macneil. next week? but i'm here to... rather than giving any running commentary on my own career, i'm here to talk about what the government is doing. so, that's what i was answering, stephen, and w�*re moving on. prime minister, - how's your week going? terrific. like many others. you know...
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did michael gove come and tell you to resign today? _ i think i said earlier, sir bernard, that i'm not going to... i'm here to talk about what the government is doing. i'm not giving to give a running commentary on political events. very defiant performance, basically saying he has a job to do, despite the fact we have had dozens of resignations at ministerial and advice that level from the government over the last 2a hours. it has been quite unprecedented. just to sum up very quickly, we understand that kwasi kwarteng, who has been a very loyal colleague, has told the chief whip that the pm should go. we need to see what brandon lewis is going to be doing later tonight, and there is a suggestion — i stress it is a
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suggestion— that nadhim zahawi is among those to go. grant shapps is here. figs among those to go. grant shapps is here. �* . ., among those to go. grant shapps is here. a ., among those to go. grant shapps is here. , here. as a government collapsing? is it all over? — here. as a government collapsing? is it all over? that _ here. as a government collapsing? is it all over? that was _ here. as a government collapsing? is it all over? that was the _ here. as a government collapsing? is it all over? that was the transport . it all over? that was the transport secretary. — it all over? that was the transport secretary, grant _ it all over? that was the transport secretary, grant shapps _ it all over? that was the transport secretary, grant shapps making . it all over? that was the transportl secretary, grant shapps making his way into number ten. the public expect it will be several ministers gather, possibly the chief whip as well, when the prime minister returned. the deputy political editor of the spectator is with me. of course, talking to lots of people behind the scene. we're just keeping an eye on the transport secretary, so if the prime minister returned, obviously. what is your understanding of what is likely to happen under? i understanding of what is likely to happen under?— understanding of what is likely to ha en under? ~' , ., happen under? i think there is going be an ultimatum, _ happen under? i think there is going be an ultimatum, the _ happen under? i think there is going be an ultimatum, the prime - happen under? i think there is going | be an ultimatum, the prime minister hasjust gone through be an ultimatum, the prime minister has just gone through quite a glint liaison committee and probably thought one of the challenges of the day is over, but actually i think
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the bigger one is about to meet him. there is a group of cabinet ministers, some confirm, some rivers, when it comes to 19 so who has onlyjust rivers, when it comes to 19 so who has only just accepted rivers, when it comes to 19 so who has onlyjust accepted to be chancellor. the main message seems to be that the game is up, you should go before you are pushed. hoop should go before you are pushed. how do ou should go before you are pushed. how do you square — should go before you are pushed. how do you square that with the prime minister's on performance at the liaison committee? i minister's on performance at the liaison committee?— liaison committee? i think it is uuite liaison committee? i think it is quite clear— liaison committee? i think it is quite clear from _ liaison committee? i think it is quite clear from the _ liaison committee? i think it is quite clear from the liaison - quite clear from the liaison committee, pm cues, and other messages from downing street that the prime minister has no intention of resigning, and it is a sense that she will have to be pursed, and he is not a prime minister who follows convention and whether some of his predecessors are. i think others will have what by now. it's going to be a situation where he does go for that and you end up in a situation where he designs? i think it might still be surprising, but there is a lot of pressure building. also hearing that the 1922 committee had
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met and are notjust planning to change the dosejust met and are notjust planning to change the dose just yet. instead, you have a situation where they will have elections next week, a new committee, and chain solos. in theory, that could give boris johnson some time, but differs cabinet walk—out, it is quite hard to see him governing over the weekend. to see him governing over the weekend-— weekend. there was a lot of speculation _ weekend. there was a lot of speculation about _ weekend. there was a lot of speculation about a - weekend. there was a lot of speculation about a change | weekend. there was a lot of. speculation about a change in weekend. there was a lot of- speculation about a change in the rose, and just viewers again, that is all to do with a living to the party to have another leadership contest, because the rules are that you can't have another one for a year. and of course, we had one several weeks ago at westminster. if there is no rule change immediately, that'll be considerable relief and therefore mrjohnson? i that'll be considerable relief and therefore mrjohnson?— therefore mrjohnson? i think it will be. therefore mrjohnson? i think it will be- if _ therefore mrjohnson? i think it will be. if what _ therefore mrjohnson? i think it will be. if what we _ therefore mrjohnson? i think it will be. if what we are - therefore mrjohnson? i think it will be. if what we are hearing l therefore mrjohnson? i think it| will be. if what we are hearing is to come and i haven't had it fully confirm, there will be elections next week for a new executive. he still has many problems, because a new team mites of new rows, but
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having a vote tonight it seems unlikely. having a vote tonight it seems unlikel . ~ ., . having a vote tonight it seems unlikel . ~ . , ., _ unlikely. we are being told by some of our colleagues _ unlikely. we are being told by some of our colleagues in _ unlikely. we are being told by some of our colleagues in westminster, i of our colleagues in westminster, the 22 committee will hold internal elections on monday, you just mentioned that, and a new committee, we understand, has a signal, or at least the leadership of the 22 has signalled that the new committee is expected to change the rules, so therefore in—line with what you have been seen, the change in rules is likely, it isjust been seen, the change in rules is likely, it is just not going to be immediate. likely, it isjust not going to be immediate-— likely, it isjust not going to be immediate. exactly, it gives the prime minister _ immediate. exactly, it gives the prime minister a _ immediate. exactly, it gives the prime minister a few— immediate. exactly, it gives the prime minister a few days. - immediate. exactly, it gives the | prime minister a few days. some immediate. exactly, it gives the . prime minister a few days. some in the cabinet suggesting he was not going to be allowed 2a hours. effectively, the mechanism will have to hold it next week and others, and of course it is the pressure from the cabinet going to be such that it doesn't really matter, he has no other option but to go? i think borisjohnson is one to dig in, so the usual point at which you would expect a resignation, i don't think you could bet on it right now. interesting. your knowledge of the
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characters involved, and the prime minister himself, what would it take for the prime minister to listen to a message and say, ok, after everything i have said, iam now going to walk out of the building? it is not in character. no and it would also be a complete 180 on what we have been hearing. we also heard from the prime minister last week when he was on his long foreign trip that he wasn't going to change psychologically. he was quite clear about that, and he was thinking not just about a second term, but the sad one. a lot has to change. it could be the case that that looks so unappealing that may be some of under prime ministers say there is a way to leave with more dignity than waiting for a paper vote. but some in number ten belief that he could perhaps win that vote. i think it is tricky for him, but what we keep hearing, those who are still very loyal to borisjohnson singh, is that he won a colossal mandate, and
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actually that is more important than what mps think. just actually that is more important than what mps think.— what mps think. just a final point. it is what mps think. just a final point. it is important. — what mps think. just a final point. it is important, because _ what mps think. just a final point. it is important, because we - what mps think. just a final point. it is important, because we keep| what mps think. just a final point. l it is important, because we keep on talking about those who are against the prime minister, but some of the big beasts of the cabinet, if i can call them that, very much still on site. the big political creatures, such as liz truss, we think, dominic raab priti patel. the such as liz truss, we think, dominic raab priti patel.— raab priti patel. the also have the ultra-loyalist _ raab priti patel. the also have the ultra-loyalist in _ raab priti patel. the also have the ultra-loyalist in a _ raab priti patel. the also have the ultra-loyalist in a jacob _ raab priti patel. the also have the l ultra-loyalist in a jacob rees-mogg. ultra—loyalist in a jacob rees—mogg. i think we can safely presume that nadine dorries is not inside it with a nasty message for the prime minister. but those people are going to bunker down, and the question is, other and the figure still supporting borisjohnson to have a government with all the vacancies field? and he can he perform a reshuffle in the day she could potentially have?— reshuffle in the day she could potentially have? that is when it nets potentially have? that is when it gets tricky- _ potentially have? that is when it gets tricky. that _ potentially have? that is when it gets tricky. that is _ potentially have? that is when it gets tricky. that is literally - potentially have? that is when it gets tricky. that is literally a - gets tricky. that is literally a question of filling jobs, and for a prime minister to be in a position where he is grabbing a run of
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looking for people to filljobs, thatis looking for people to filljobs, that is not a good look, leave alone the functioning of government. that's right. and also, it is not just a cabinet resignations. we have had lots ofjunior minister resignations, all important goals. over 30 at the last count, and that is very tricky to fill. we know there is a volume team, who had a meeting with the prime minister last night, of around 80. but some of the people in that group are not supporting the prime minister or any more, privately. in terms of the number of people calling for the prime minister to go, it is probably a bit higher when you go into what people are saying privately. this people are saying privately. as ever, great to talk to you. deputy political editor of the spectator. what i would like to do it bring an the former adviser to theresa may. j°y the former adviser to theresa may. joy is not a political commentator with a good view of what is going on notjust in eternity but across the
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political landscape.— notjust in eternity but across the political landscape. what you make thin . s political landscape. what you make thins riaht political landscape. what you make things right now? _ political landscape. what you make things right now? it _ political landscape. what you make things right now? it feels _ political landscape. what you make things right now? it feels also - things right now? it feels also borisjohnson is done, but he is the one person that can't see that. and i have been trying to put myself in the amount of borisjohnson. today must have been the most horrendous day. personally punishing, bruising, with injury and insult. all heaped upon him from france, from foes and from everybody in between. that's on top of the fact that the electoral verdict recently was very, very bleak, and even friends in the media turning on him. so i think your viewers would be entitled to us himself why on earth then does she so stubbornly want to carry on? and for me, it is because of his... borisjohnson is not short of self boris johnson is not short of self regard. he views himself as someone who will one day step and the great part of prime ministers as winston
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churchill. and the gap between that and the reality of what is coming down the track at the moment, which is abject humiliation and being forced out of downing street, tracked out of downing street, is so profound that i think you just can't confront it. if profound that i think you 'ust can't confront it.— profound that i think you 'ust can't confront ft.— confront it. if we think back three ears, in confront it. if we think back three years. injuly. — confront it. if we think back three years, in july, almost _ confront it. if we think back three years, in july, almost exactly - confront it. if we think back three i years, in july, almost exactly three years, injuly, almost exactly three years, injuly, almost exactly three years, when it's reza was encouraged to leave office, and we think about now, are there any parallels there at all and the way that this mechanism is turning over. that is a much greater sense that this is a prime minister who simply will not budge until he thinks he has no other option. i budge until he thinks he has no other option-— other option. i think the main rarallel other option. i think the main parallel probably _ other option. i think the main parallel probably between - other option. i think the main j parallel probably between the other option. i think the main - parallel probably between the two is a burning sense of injustice. i think that theresa may, you could see that she felt her so her opponents within the conservative party were just wrong, that they were self interested, and obviously borisjohnson was one who she would
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say was among the group. and they didn't have a clear sense of the national interest, that showed up. i'm not saying whether she was right or wrong, i'm not saying whether she was right orwrong, but i'm not saying whether she was right or wrong, but you could see that coming through in her whole demeanour. borisjohnson at the moment also feels that he is on the wrong end of a lot of people who are acting in their own self interest. i mean, he listened to marco for making a speech this morning, some of that was obviously dwelling on issues that castigated the prime ministers. —— sajid javid. but other elements were a bit of a leadership itch, which was somewhat presumptuous given that we don't have a process under way at the moment, and it is an incumbent in downing street. there borisjohnson does get forced out in hours or days, it will be very, very hard for him to most of dignity that i think would be required of a moment like that for him to feel that your self—esteem could be intact. i reckon he will be... to get that
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sense of injustice. it is just at the people around him, including cabinet colleagues, no longer share it. ., , cabinet colleagues, no longer share it. . , ~ , , cabinet colleagues, no longer share it. . , ~ ,, ., it. ultimately, he keeps on reminding _ it. ultimately, he keeps on reminding people - it. ultimately, he keeps on reminding people that - it. ultimately, he keeps on reminding people that is i it. ultimately, he keeps on reminding people that is of it. ultimately, he keeps on - reminding people that is of course he won a very impressive majority at the last election. and for that reason, he simply thinks that this would be a complete injustice. now, the trouble is, as you and i know from observing these things, conservative mps, when they are pushed to it, can be very brutal and really ruthless, and what you are saying is that you expect them to exercise some of those qualities in the next few days. it exercise some of those qualities in the next few days.— the next few days. it feels like it could be the _ the next few days. it feels like it could be the next _ the next few days. it feels like it could be the next few _ the next few days. it feels like it could be the next few minutes, l the next few days. it feels like it | could be the next few minutes, it could be the next few minutes, it could have already happened, actually. that is why, as you were discussing earlier, there has been this would talk about him, over the head of the parliamentary party, trying to appeal to the electorate and have a snap election. it is a bit like grand scale, whenjohn major said to the parliamentary
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party, back me or back me or sack me. it will certainly british public, back me or sack me. obviously, it is not going to happen, it is totally implausible, but it does show pretty and presumably his closest advisers are possibly headed up. reality will confront them with in a pretty brutal way in a very short order. good to talk to you again. the political commentator, former adviser to prime minister theresa may, who is a receipt left office almost exactly three years ago at the end ofjuly. i think it was the 24th ofjuly 2019. now, the event here, clearly, are concentrated on downing street and westminster. it feels quite intense in that sense, but what happens here of course affects every part of the uk. it certainly affects all of the english regions and the nations of scotland,
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wales and northern ireland. you're going to talk to our colleagues and the nations and ask them for their prospective and what leaders there are people there are saying about the events at westminster and the impact that they might have. we are going to start with carter. just like the drama _ going to start with carter. jitsif like the drama unfolding in whence muster at the moment, the number of tory mps that are showing support for borisjohnson is rapidly dwindling here. before prime minister questions today, simon hart faced was questions here, and he had a tough time. he said he would continue, but we were told yesterday he had gone to number ten and told the pm to stand down, and he is now also, we are told, in number ten, again urging the prime minister to step down from his role. his private secretary was the first welsh mp to stand down, and that at least three of the welsh mps that came in on the 2019 election in that election that
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borisjohnson keeps going back to where he earned all that vote from constituents, the owner pulling the support away from him. perhaps, actually, the most getting them up today came from les asuppo roberts, the leader of plaid cymru smith, he said the pm deserved a medalfor being the best recruiter for independence, accusing him of putting political survival of a public duty. the prime minister responded saying he had a very good chat with mark drakeford just recently, little did he know the first minister actually tweeted pulling her support and calling for a change as well. so, six seats that the tories won back in 29, it was like half of those new mps have already withdrawn their support. let's see what the perspective is in scotland with my colleague alexander mackenzie. here, the scottish secretary alister jack is _ here, the scottish secretary alister jack is supporting the prime minister. he said the government has a 'ob minister. he said the government has a job to _ minister. he said the government has a job to he _ minister. he said the government has a job to be getting on with, but the
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scottish— a job to be getting on with, but the scottish conservative leader douglas ross has _ scottish conservative leader douglas ross has called on the prime minister— ross has called on the prime minister to resign. ross has called on the prime ministerto resign. he ross has called on the prime minister to resign. he told the bbc that he _ minister to resign. he told the bbc that he doesn't think the prime minister— that he doesn't think the prime minister will last a week. he said that boris— minister will last a week. he said that borisjohnson needs to realise he has _ that borisjohnson needs to realise he has lost — that borisjohnson needs to realise he has lost the support of many of his colleagues. he said it is not an easy— his colleagues. he said it is not an easy thing — his colleagues. he said it is not an easy thing to say to a prime minister. _ easy thing to say to a prime minister, but the time is up, and he needs— minister, but the time is up, and he needs to _ minister, but the time is up, and he needs to step aside. scotland's first _ needs to step aside. scotland's first minister, nicola sturgeon, she was on _ first minister, nicola sturgeon, she was on social media this afternoon and she _ was on social media this afternoon and she asks probably quite an obvious— and she asks probably quite an obvious question— how much longer can this _ obvious question— how much longer can this go — obvious question— how much longer can this go on for? she said that if johnson _ can this go on for? she said that if johnson has — can this go on for? she said that if johnson has the merest scrap of concern — johnson has the merest scrap of concern for— johnson has the merest scrap of concern for anyone but himself, he must _ concern for anyone but himself, he must resign— concern for anyone but himself, he must resign immediately. now, nicola sturgeon _ must resign immediately. now, nicola sturgeon and boris johnson must resign immediately. now, nicola sturgeon and borisjohnson have long butted _ sturgeon and borisjohnson have long butted heads over the independence issue _ butted heads over the independence issue. borisjohnson has said many times— issue. borisjohnson has said many times that — issue. borisjohnson has said many times that he will not give the scottish— times that he will not give the scottish government to section 30 order— scottish government to section 30 order to _ scottish government to section 30 order to have around brendan. he
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said recently, —— to have a referendum. he said recently that there _ referendum. he said recently that there is— referendum. he said recently that there is not the time. at nicola sturgeon — there is not the time. at nicola sturgeon or social media this afternoon so, let's have an election to choose _ afternoon so, let's have an election to choose an— afternoon so, let's have an election to choose an alternative. that alternative being independent. it is expected _ alternative being independent. it is expected that the snp would fight an election— expected that the snp would fight an election on a single issue, and that being _ election on a single issue, and that being independent. so, that is the evolving _ being independent. so, that is the evolving mood here in scotland. but the reaction in northern ireland, he has my— the reaction in northern ireland, he has my colleague chris page in belfast — the talk here in northern ireland is very much the talk here in northern ireland is very much what the talk here in northern ireland is very much what the the talk here in northern ireland is very much what the prospect the talk here in northern ireland is very much what the prospect of the talk here in northern ireland is very much what the prospect of a change in — very much what the prospect of a change in dentistry— very much what the prospect of a change in dentistry it— very much what the prospect of a change in dentistry it might - very much what the prospect of a | change in dentistry it might mean for the _ change in dentistry it might mean for the future _ change in dentistry it might mean for the future of evolution - change in dentistry it might mean for the future of evolution in - change in dentistry it might mean for the future of evolution in thisl for the future of evolution in this part of— for the future of evolution in this part of the — for the future of evolution in this part ofthe uk~ _ for the future of evolution in this part of the uk. northern- for the future of evolution in this part of the uk. northern irelandl part of the uk. northern ireland has been without — part of the uk. northern ireland has been without a — part of the uk. northern ireland has been without a fully _ part of the uk. northern ireland has been without a fully functioning - been without a fully functioning evolved — been without a fully functioning evolved government— been without a fully functioning evolved government since - been without a fully functioning - evolved government since february when _ evolved government since february when the _ evolved government since february when the dup— evolved government since february when the dup in— evolved government since february when the dup in effect— evolved government since february when the dup in effect walked - evolved government since february when the dup in effect walked outl evolved government since february. when the dup in effect walked out of the power—sharing _ when the dup in effect walked out of the power—sharing executive - when the dup in effect walked out of the power—sharing executive and - the power—sharing executive and protest _ the power—sharing executive and protest of — the power—sharing executive and protest of the _ the power—sharing executive and protest of the brexit _ the power—sharing executive and protest of the brexit trading - protest of the brexit trading arrangements _ protest of the brexit trading arrangements for— protest of the brexit trading arrangements for northernl protest of the brexit trading - arrangements for northern ireland, the trade _ arrangements for northern ireland, the trade border—
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arrangements for northern ireland, the trade border with _ arrangements for northern ireland, the trade border with the _ arrangements for northern ireland, the trade border with the rest - arrangements for northern ireland, the trade border with the rest of. the trade border with the rest of the trade border with the rest of the uk _ the trade border with the rest of the uk known _ the trade border with the rest of the uk known as _ the trade border with the rest of the uk known as the _ the trade border with the rest of the uk known as the northern . the trade border with the rest of- the uk known as the northern ireland protocot _ the uk known as the northern ireland protocot there — the uk known as the northern ireland protocol. there is _ the uk known as the northern ireland protocol. there is been _ the uk known as the northern ireland protocol. there is been an— the uk known as the northern ireland protocol. there is been an election i protocol. there is been an election since _ protocol. there is been an election since then— protocol. there is been an election since then in— protocol. there is been an election since then in which _ protocol. there is been an election since then in which sinn— protocol. there is been an election since then in which sinn fein - since then in which sinn fein replaced _ since then in which sinn fein replaced the _ since then in which sinn fein replaced the largest - since then in which sinn fein replaced the largest party. since then in which sinn feinl replaced the largest party but since then in which sinn fein - replaced the largest party but the dup has— replaced the largest party but the dup has a — replaced the largest party but the dup has a veto _ replaced the largest party but the dup has a veto on _ replaced the largest party but the dup has a veto on the _ replaced the largest party but the dup has a veto on the formationl replaced the largest party but the. dup has a veto on the formation of government— dup has a veto on the formation of government and _ dup has a veto on the formation of government and indeed _ dup has a veto on the formation of government and indeed on - dup has a veto on the formation of government and indeed on the - government and indeed on the assembly sitting _ government and indeed on the assembly sitting at _ government and indeed on the assembly sitting at all- government and indeed on the assembly sitting at all until. government and indeed on the assembly sitting at all until it| assembly sitting at all until it checks— assembly sitting at all until it checks -- _ assembly sitting at all until it checks —— excess— assembly sitting at all until it checks —— excess checks - assembly sitting at all until it checks —— excess checks on l assembly sitting at all until it - checks —— excess checks on goods between _ checks —— excess checks on goods between great _ checks —— excess checks on goods between great britain _ checks —— excess checks on goods between great britain and - checks —— excess checks on goods. between great britain and northern ireland _ between great britain and northern ireland are — between great britain and northern ireland are scrapple _ between great britain and northern ireland are scrapple so _ between great britain and northern ireland are scrapple so the - ireland are scrapple so the government— ireland are scrapple so the government is— ireland are scrapple so the government is currently. ireland are scrapple so the - government is currently pushing a bill government is currently pushing a hill through— government is currently pushing a bill through parliament _ government is currently pushing a bill through parliament to - bill through parliament to unilaterally— bill through parliament to unilaterally remove - bill through parliament to unilaterally remove some j bill through parliament to . unilaterally remove some of bill through parliament to - unilaterally remove some of those checks _ unilaterally remove some of those checks in— unilaterally remove some of those checks. in theory— unilaterally remove some of those checks. in theory that _ unilaterally remove some of those checks. in theory that would - unilaterally remove some of those checks. in theory that would pave i checks. in theory that would pave the way _ checks. in theory that would pave the way for— checks. in theory that would pave the way for the _ checks. in theory that would pave the way for the dup _ checks. in theory that would pave the way for the dup to _ checks. in theory that would pave the way for the dup to go - checks. in theory that would pave the way for the dup to go back. checks. in theory that would pave i the way for the dup to go back into power—sharing down _ the way for the dup to go back into power—sharing down the _ the way for the dup to go back into power—sharing down the line - the way for the dup to go back into power—sharing down the line but. power—sharing down the line but question— power—sharing down the line but question is— power—sharing down the line but question is would _ power—sharing down the line but question is would a _ power—sharing down the line but question is would a new - power—sharing down the line but question is would a new prime . question is would a new prime miulster— question is would a new prime minister go _ question is would a new prime minister go along _ question is would a new prime minister go along with - question is would a new prime minister go along with the - question is would a new prime . minister go along with the critics of that— minister go along with the critics of that legislation _ minister go along with the critics of that legislation who _ minister go along with the critics of that legislation who say- minister go along with the critics of that legislation who say it - minister go along with the critics of that legislation who say it is l of that legislation who say it is against — of that legislation who say it is against international— of that legislation who say it is against international law - of that legislation who say it is against international law and l of that legislation who say it is i against international law and take of that legislation who say it is - against international law and take a more _ against international law and take a more moderate _ against international law and take a more moderate line _ against international law and take a more moderate line on— against international law and take a more moderate line on the - against international law and take ai more moderate line on the protocol. so it seems— more moderate line on the protocol. so it seems the _ more moderate line on the protocol. so it seems the fast—moving - more moderate line on the protocol. j so it seems the fast—moving events, we certainly— so it seems the fast—moving events, we certainly are _ so it seems the fast—moving events, we certainly are not _ so it seems the fast—moving events, we certainly are not moving - so it seems the fast—moving events, we certainly are not moving a - we certainly are not moving a resolution _ we certainly are not moving a resolution of— we certainly are not moving a resolution of the _ we certainly are not moving a resolution of the political- we certainly are not moving a. resolution of the political crisis in northern— resolution of the political crisis in northern ireland _ resolution of the political crisis in northern ireland and - resolution of the political crisis in northern ireland and the - resolution of the political crisis i in northern ireland and the closer in northern ireland and the closer in effect _ in northern ireland and the closer in effect making _ in northern ireland and the closer in effect making and _ in northern ireland and the closer in effect making and probably - in northern ireland and the closer in effect making and probably a l in effect making and probably a little _ in effect making and probably a little more _ in effect making and probably a little more complicated. - in effect making and probably a little more complicated. indeed, thank ou little more complicated. indeed, thank you very — little more complicated. indeed, thank you very much. _ little more complicated. indeed, thank you very much. chris -
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little more complicated. indeed, | thank you very much. chris page, alessandra mckenzie and thomas morgan as well and thank you to all three. we heard alexandra telling us a bit about the perspective in scotland as she saw it given what is going on here. the snp's deputy westminster leaderjoins us now. thank you very much forjoining us today. what is your perspective on what is going on here? it’s today. what is your perspective on what is going on here?— what is going on here? it's chaos was that whatever _ what is going on here? it's chaos was that whatever way _ what is going on here? it's chaos was that whatever way you - what is going on here? it's chaos was that whatever way you look. what is going on here? it's chaosl was that whatever way you look at it, it is shambolic. and a real demonstration for so long this continues, the focus of boris johnson and the tory government has been on borisjohnson and then saving their own skin and focusing on their own internal problems. all at the expense of the things they should be focusing on so instead of focusing on the tort cost—of—living crisis and how to support people who were having difficult times, they are focusing on trying to save their own skins and save their own jobs. today has just been another really
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clear demonstration that these priorities that the tory party are demonstrating are perhaps not the ones that we should expect to see any government demonstrate. in ones that we should expect to see any government demonstrate. in terms ofthe any government demonstrate. in terms of the political _ any government demonstrate. in terms of the political and _ any government demonstrate. in terms of the political and power _ any government demonstrate. in terms of the political and power dynamics - of the political and power dynamics here, just wondering what are your thoughts on a possible change of leadership and a prime minister and the way that that might impact the way the scottish government is trying to come to an agreement on whether it can lawfully hold a referendum? i whether it can lawfully hold a referendum?— whether it can lawfully hold a referendum? ~ referendum? i think the thing we need to meet— referendum? i think the thing we need to meet really _ referendum? i think the thing we need to meet really clear - referendum? i think the thing we need to meet really clear about l referendum? i think the thing we | need to meet really clear about is whoever is tory leader, the focus for scotland really is on making sure that we have the ability to make the right decisions for ourselves in scotland, as we have a mandate to do but we will have an independence referendum. we cannot get away from the fact that we have the prime minister is, it's a bit like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. scotland did not vote
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for a conservative government and does not tend to vote for conservative governments and have not done since 1955 and here we have a conservative government who are causing all this chaos. we have the cost—of—living crisis and the brexit damage, which again scotland did not vote for, and both the main westminster party support that against the will of the people in scotland. so that you could not be clearer tonight why it is so important for us to make this move forward, have the opportunity for england and scotland to determine their own future and it could not be clearer for people in scotland to decide and not for borisjohnson or any prime minister at westminster. sorry to bother you or interrupt you, but basically i'm being told and you may know about this anyway that there is a letter from boris johnson to the first minister, nicola sturgeon, and it includes the sentence i cannot agree that now is the time to return to the question of scottish independence and that is
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not a shot the prime minister has that view. but that if the formal response to into the request, yes? i have not seen the letter either but if that's a formal response to the request given that is simply not good enough. it is a democratic system that we are meant to be operating within and to stimulate not democratic for him to say that. there is a very clear mandate for the scottish parliament to hold independence referendum enough people in scotland very clearly want and voted for and what they quite rightly expect the government in scotland to do. so borisjohnson, he can say all he likes about that but it does nothing away from the fact that this will be an issue the people in scotland to decide and i think it is foolish for boris johnson if that is his attitude to this and nicola sturgeon has set a clear path forward for us and that is certainly a path i look forward to going down. i look forward to the conversations that are the common people in scotland about their future away from this shambolic chaos of westminster.—
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future away from this shambolic chaos of westminster. thank you very much atain chaos of westminster. thank you very much again for— chaos of westminster. thank you very much again forjoining _ chaos of westminster. thank you very much again forjoining us. _ chaos of westminster. thank you very much again forjoining us. the - much again forjoining us. the deputy snp leader at westminster. if you are just deputy snp leader at westminster. if you arejustjoining us here bbc news, we are waiting for the prime minister to return to downing street from that long session that he held with the liaison committee, the committee of senior mps, questioning him about all his duties as prime minister and about his leadership. the prime minister there was pretty defiant, same he had every intention of carrying notice by the fact that the day has brought dozens of resignations from ministers and ministerial aids and indeed increasing signs from senior ministers and cabinet ministers that they want the prime minister to step down but there is no sign yet the prime minister intends to do that. of course the catalyst for this latest crisis was the issue around chris pincher, the former deputy chief whip accused of sexual
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misconduct and in the legal reporting that story... joining me now is noa hoffman, political reporter at the sun newspaper. thank you very much. first of all i mention the fact that of course you were in the lead on that story on chris pincher the following on from that, what are the latest intelligence you have about what will happen this evening when the prime minister meets some of these colleagues who are apparently waiting for him at number ten? yes. waiting for him at number ten? yes, so they promised _ waiting for him at number ten? yes, so they promised or _ waiting for him at number ten? yes, so they promised or has _ waiting for him at number ten? yes, so they promised or has a big delegation of real tory heavyweights would _ delegation of real tory heavyweights would for _ delegation of real tory heavyweights would for him and they will try and convince _ would for him and they will try and convince him to what they think if the right— convince him to what they think if the right thing and step down. among the people _ the right thing and step down. among the people we have grant shafts the transport _ the people we have grant shafts the transport secretary, the home secretary, the wales secretary, simon _ secretary, the wales secretary, simon hart, he has been very loyal and cabinet — simon hart, he has been very loyal and cabinet ministers have come out as attack— and cabinet ministers have come out as attack dogs for him and ran operation _ as attack dogs for him and ran operation big dog to save his leadership and on multiple occasions and now— leadership and on multiple occasions and now even these ministers are saying _ and now even these ministers are saying enough is enough and your
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time _ saying enough is enough and your time is _ saying enough is enough and your time is up — saying enough is enough and your time is up and you should resign. as you time is up and you should resign. you were time is up and you should resign. is you were speaking there, we saw nadine dorey is going into dentistry in unless i'm mistaken she seemed to be signalling very strongly that she wanted the prime minister to continue. that is a signal she gave and that is not a surprise to any of us that she is gone and and there are others in there who clearly don't share that view. when that meeting happens. what happens then if the prime minister hears these calls to step down and says no. what are the next steps that you will likely see. in are the next steps that you will likely see-— are the next steps that you will likel see. . , , likely see. in the last few minutes government _ likely see. in the last few minutes government we — likely see. in the last few minutes government we have _ likely see. in the last few minutes government we have had - likely see. in the last few minutes government we have had were - likely see. in the last few minutesl government we have had were that likely see. in the last few minutes - government we have had were that the 1922 committee of backbench mps have decided _ 1922 committee of backbench mps have decided to— 1922 committee of backbench mps have decided to have a new election for their executive which is the sort of chiefs— their executive which is the sort of chiefs of— their executive which is the sort of chiefs of the community. that will take place — chiefs of the community. that will take place on monday next week. when there is— take place on monday next week. when there is a _ take place on monday next week. when there is a new executive, the idea is they— there is a new executive, the idea is they will— there is a new executive, the idea
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is they will have and will run on mandate to change the committee rule so that _ mandate to change the committee rule so that a _ mandate to change the committee rule so that a vote of no—confidence in the prime — so that a vote of no—confidence in the prime can happen asap. at that moment— the prime can happen asap. at that moment he — the prime can happen asap. at that moment he is safe for another year under— moment he is safe for another year under the _ moment he is safe for another year under the current rules but our understanding is the newly elected executive, which should happen next week emmett will try and change those _ week emmett will try and change those rules successfully and then a vote of— those rules successfully and then a vote of no—confidence take place. just very— vote of no—confidence take place. just very quickly if i can give and you have been talking to lots people today. is it your sense that this title wave of criticism among his own people has reached a point in the prime minister can no longer resist it? . the prime minister can no longer resist it? , .., the prime minister can no longer resist it? , .. ., resist it? yes. he can no longer resist it? yes. he can no longer resist it? yes. he can no longer resist it but _ resist it? yes. he can no longer resist it but heat _ resist it? yes. he can no longer resist it but heat will— resist it? yes. he can no longer resist it but heat will probably l resist it? yes. he can no longer. resist it but heat will probably try to so _ resist it but heat will probably try to so we — resist it but heat will probably try to so we saw from 3pm what was just a bizarre _ to so we saw from 3pm what was just a bizarre appearance at the liaison committee — a bizarre appearance at the liaison committee or the prime minister repeated — committee or the prime minister repeated over and over again that he has a _ repeated over and over again that he has a democratic mandate to state in his post _ has a democratic mandate to state in his post and — has a democratic mandate to state in his post and has no intention of going _ his post and has no intention of going anywhere. the committee members — going anywhere. the committee members who were quizzing him looked quite perplexed, quite stunned, but
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he stuck _ quite perplexed, quite stunned, but he stuck to — quite perplexed, quite stunned, but he stuck to that line. he did pledge that he _ he stuck to that line. he did pledge that he would not trigger a general election— that he would not trigger a general election for another two years if he is still— election for another two years if he is still in _ election for another two years if he is still in post. something people were _ is still in post. something people were whispering about and worrying about _ were whispering about and worrying about because that would really lunch _ about because that would really lunch westminster and water politics in general— lunch westminster and water politics in general into a lot of chaos so he did not— in general into a lot of chaos so he did not rule — in general into a lot of chaos so he did not rule that out. but so far is the key— did not rule that out. but so far is the key to— did not rule that out. but so far is the key to his guns and saint he will stay— the key to his guns and saint he will stay and whether this delegation can convince him otherwise, we are not sure but we know _ otherwise, we are not sure but we know that — otherwise, we are not sure but we know that he does have a certain sense of— know that he does have a certain sense of entitlement that may hold strong _ sense of entitlement that may hold strong through this meeting with his loyal followers who decided enough is enough. we should find out in the next you _ is enough. we should find out in the next you hours. is enough. we should find out in the next you hours-— next you hours. many thanks again for talkint next you hours. many thanks again for talking to _ next you hours. many thanks again for talking to us, _ next you hours. many thanks again for talking to us, the _ next you hours. many thanks again for talking to us, the political - for talking to us, the political reporter for the sonic newspaper and our thanks to her and we are still waiting for the prime minister to return at any moment from the houses of parliament, from that committee meeting. i suspect he is in the
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prime minister's suite of rooms behind the speaker's chair in the house of commons and probably seeing colleagues there before he returns here to downing that is the normal form of practice. we are obviously going to bring you the return to downing as it happens but in the meantime, why don't we get a sense of what is happening away from here, away from westminster among those many millions of voters who are watching these events. some wanting him to leave others rather angry that he is in position. the constituency of high peak in derbyshire swung to the conservatives from labour at the last election. our correspondentjudith moritz has been talking to people there.
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200 miles from westminster, whaley bridge feels far removed. but the prime minister's reputation matters here. there's been lots of support for him, but it is being severely tested. at the end ofjohnson street sits the builders merchants, where they say they put a price on honesty. and where views are changing. i felt sorry for him in a way, because he's had a lot of pressure what with covid and then coming into the ukraine war, which he's trying to sort that out. then there's all the partygate, which i'm not sure about. but there's just too many lies coming out of his mouth. and after the two head ministers resigned yesterday, i thought it is time now. if they haven't got confidence in boris, then he does need to go. people here know how it feels when things are precarious. the pm visited them in 2019 when the town was evacuated because a nearby dam threatened to burst. there is lots of support here for conservative ideology. but the local mp only holds this seat by the slimmest of majorities, just over 500 votes. and so, come a general election, what's going on at westminster could make a real difference here. issues like the cost of living are an obvious priority.
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but personality politics matter as well, according to 18—year—old gemma. you're studying politics. what do you make of the professionals, of how the government are handling things? they're not being great role models, in all fairness. we need someone to be in charge and have their expertise and guide us the way. they're meant to be the people with the knowledge who are meant to guide us, but they're just not. it matters to me a hell of a lot. outside, ifound colin, whose loyalty is wavering. i voted tory all my. life, since 1960—odd. and there's one thing i always believe in, l and that is honesty. if you're not honest, - the public will not have you. the town's no longer under threat from the reservoir dam. but whether the government has a bright future here is another matter. judith moritz, bbc news. some of the views there and katie
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balls is back with me. temperature is rising politically as we can feel it. apparently i'm told the prime minister is back on site and he probably came in another route not wanting to face the huge army of media and cameras here. so if we are right in thinking that he is inside, what is latest intelligence you have on where this opinion is moving? i on where this opinion is moving? 1 think speaking to ministers, i on where this opinion is moving? i think speaking to ministers, i think the most likely or working assumption is that borisjohnson ghost tonight but if the square that of course with the fact that anyone who was watching the liaison committee or prime minister's questions or relate borisjohnson over the past few months, he is not a premise or who looked like he is about to go without a fight. but the political pressure is building and i think cabinet ministers believe this ultimatum is going to leave him with no other choice but to actually announce his intentions later today. welcome to nadine dorries is in there and there will be no secret that she will be batting very
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enthusiastically for the prime minister and making the case for him to stay given the election result he had three years ago and she will be saint he is a vote winner. how do they counter that then was meant did they counter that then was meant did they say you are not lucky to be a vote winner in the future? we will hear from the _ vote winner in the future? we will hear from the ministers _ vote winner in the future? we will hear from the ministers is - hear from the ministers is effectively the situation will not work for the prime minister. at pmq today, he was asked by one of his own mps what would it take for you to resign or would you ever resigned and he said if i did not think my government could function or i thought i could deliver nothing, he also said he had a colossal mandate but look at that first answer and there are many in the cabinet who think that situation has already come to pass was of the premise or does not and i think that the point they will try to make to the prime minister which is the scale of rebellion and the number of resignations and can you actually really drive it through the government as you are. can you get to the next few days? and also if you do hang on? we know there will now be a 9022 executive election
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early next week and a new committee and we expect them to change the rules so in a way i think they will say is all you are doing is putting off what will happen in a few days' time he faced another confidence vote mostly with many mps and members of the cabinet expect you to lose. so that is a type of conversation you will be here but as you say we still believe there are some loyalists and they will say there is a mandate and you have not been an active to the rule in the past and we have written him off many times what is quite hard now but i think they will be saying things such as often the rules do not apply to un terms of political gravity to perhaps you should push on. . gravity to perhaps you should push on. , , ., ., , ., on. right behind you we are seeing a number 11, on. right behind you we are seeing a number it. and _ on. right behind you we are seeing a number“, and a _ on. right behind you we are seeing a number“, and a resident _ number 11, and a resident there kemen —— nadhim zahawi just a point yesterday, how damaging would it be if he wanted him to remain? i think if he wanted him to remain? i think it is damaging _ if he wanted him to remain? i think it is damaging to _ if he wanted him to remain? i think
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it is damaging to both _ if he wanted him to remain? i think it is damaging to both boris - if he wanted him to remain? i think| it is damaging to both boris johnson it is damaging to both borisjohnson and nadhim zahawi if that is the case but we are hearing reports it to be confirmed by the politician himself that he is part of the delegation. i think for the prime minister one of the things number ten clung onto last night and this morning was we replaced those two big cabinet resignations, sajid javid and rishi sunak, very quickly and we can keep things going on. some were saying not business as usual but an upgrade if you look at who we are bringing in so therefore they might say we can stick with you if you were borisjohnson and it is damaging but i think nadhim zahawi if talked up as a future candidate if talked up as a future candidate if there is a leadership conference. i think some are quite disappointed he decided to take the role in parliament but others find it almost a bit dark humour amusing he could relate be the shortest serving chancellor or change his mind quickly after. chancellor or change his mind quickly after-— chancellor or change his mind quickly after. chancellor or change his mind tuickl after. , ., quickly after. interesting point and thank ou quickly after. interesting point and thank you very _ quickly after. interesting point and thank you very much _ quickly after. interesting point and thank you very much again. - quickly after. interesting point and thank you very much again. katy .
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thank you very much again. katy balls with her analysis of what is going on and we will talk to her again a little later on. she did mention sajid javid in of course you tell secretary resigned yesterday along with the chancellor rishi sunak and that really turbo—charge the crisis when all of that happened last night. so with all of that in mind, we are thinking about the kind of way that boris johnson wants mind, we are thinking about the kind of way that borisjohnson wants to of way that boris johnson wants to reshape the government, and of course feeling some of the very big posts that still remain to be filled. now it sajid javid actually spokein filled. now it sajid javid actually spoke in the house of commons early today, making a statement outlining the reasons why he felt he had to resign from boris johnson's the reasons why he felt he had to resign from borisjohnson's cabinet and it was pretty devastating let's hear some of it. the public expects all of us to maintain honesty and maintain integrity in whatever we do. this is not an abstract matter. we have seen in great democracies what happens when divisions are entrenched and not bridged. we cannot allow that to happen here.
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we must bring the country together as one nation. effective governance inevitably requires loyalty and collective responsibility, of course, and i'm a team player instinctively and i have completely focused on governing effectively over the last year, but treading the tight rope between loyalty and integrity has become impossible in recent months. and, mr speaker, i will never risk losing my integrity. i also believe a team is as good as its team captain and that a captain is as good as his or her team, so loyalty must go both ways. the events of recent months have made it increasingly difficult to be in that team. it's not fair on ministerial colleagues to go out every morning defending lines that don't
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stand up and don't hold up. it's not fair on my parliamentary colleagues who bear the brunt of constituents' dismay in their inboxes and on their doorsteps in recent elections. and it's not fair on conservative members and voters who rightly expect better standards from the party they supported. when the first stories of parties in downing street emerged late last year, i was personally assured at the most senior level by my right honourable friend's then team that, and i quote, "there had been no parties in downing street and no rules were broken." so, i gave the benefit of doubt and i went on those media rounds to say that i'd had those assurances from the senior, the most senior level of the prime minister's team. then we had more stories, we had the sue gray report, a new downing street team.
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i continued to give the benefit of the doubt, and now this week again we have reason to question the truth and integrity of what we've all been told. and at some point, we have to conclude that enough is enough. i believe that point is now. i welcome the prime minister's public acknowledgement that matters could have been handled better in who he appointed out what was said about what he knew when. and i appreciated his kind and humble words amd his humble spirit when i went to see him yesterday and also the kind letter he sent to me. but i do fear that the reset button could only work so many times. there is only many so many times you can turn the machine off before you realise that something is fundamentally wrong. last month, i gave the benefit
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of doubt one last time, but i haven't concluded that the problem starts at the top. that is not going to change. i have concluded that the problem starts at the top, and i believe that is not going to change. and that means that it is for those of us in a position who have responsibility to make that change. powerful statement by the former health secretary and indeed former chancellor sajid javid in the house of commons today and has resigned yesterday and part of the renewed crisis for boris johnson. yesterday and part of the renewed crisis for borisjohnson. ian watson with me and as i understand it there is a critical meeting now in downing street between some of the prime minister's colleagues and himself, talking about the future. what do we think is going on? me talking about the future. what do we think is going on?— think is going on? we think something _ think is going on? we think something members - think is going on? we think something members of- think is going on? we think. something members of boris think is going on? we think- something members of boris johnson something members of borisjohnson possible _ something members of borisjohnson possible government are telling them time is _ possible government are telling them time is up _ possible government are telling them time is up and he should go and
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amongst those we saw grant shapps, the transporter terry, going in and usually— the transporter terry, going in and usually one — the transporter terry, going in and usually one of the most effective defenders of boris johnson and the media _ defenders of boris johnson and the media. and also a man who was replacing — media. and also a man who was replacing rishi sunak and was sending — replacing rishi sunak and was sending out his stall in the comments today but is also joining this group— comments today but is also joining this group and is considering his position — this group and is considering his position. we know the business secretary— position. we know the business secretary kwasi kwarteng is not in the building but has told people that the — the building but has told people that the premise or should consider his position. in one of the strongest defenders the well secretary simon hart is one of the first to _ secretary simon hart is one of the first to go — secretary simon hart is one of the first to go through that door. we have _ first to go through that door. we have heard as he flips that he is losing _ have heard as he flips that he is losing confidence of his colleagues and even _ losing confidence of his colleagues and even while on the air some more parliamentary aids have resign. 20% of those _ parliamentary aids have resign. 20% of those submitted with the government, aids, junior ministers
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and cabinet — government, aids, junior ministers and cabinet ministers of oregon and now they're saying perhaps it is time _ now they're saying perhaps it is time for— now they're saying perhaps it is time for borisjohnson now they're saying perhaps it is time for boris johnson are the now they're saying perhaps it is time for borisjohnson are the same. one thing _ time for borisjohnson are the same. one thing that has happened also in the past _ one thing that has happened also in the past hour is the 1922 committee that has— the past hour is the 1922 committee that has made up the leadership rules— that has made up the leadership rules decided not to change those rules— rules decided not to change those rules today to allow for a bigger contest — rules today to allow for a bigger contest and that might give boris johnson — contest and that might give boris johnson a bit of breathing space or he might— johnson a bit of breathing space or he might think he has but instead they will hold elections to the committee on monday and some mps will stand _ committee on monday and some mps will stand on a platform it systole of changing the rules and having another— of changing the rules and having another confidence but if he has not already— another confidence but if he has not already departed downing street. we. have a already departed downing street. - have a question of the functioning of government was to many of these vacancies and that is one which is a clip —— series one and bore sentence at a committee today if the government could not fulfil its obligations, that might be constituting the circumstances in which he would set aside. secondly, we have mentioned some of the other big prominent members of the cabinet, let's say liz truss or priti patel or maybe jacob rees—mogg
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or others. what are they up to? i or others. what are they up to? i spoke to jacob rees—mogg last night and at _ spoke to jacob rees—mogg last night and at that point he was still staunchly defending the prime minister because at that point it seemed — minister because at that point it seemed more recoverable but it becomes— seemed more recoverable but it becomes more difficult for government to function if the lower profile _ government to function if the lower profile people going to have to answer — profile people going to have to answer the questions and run departments and put in a certain level~ _ departments and put in a certain level~ liz— departments and put in a certain level. liz truss may take the view that if— level. liz truss may take the view that if she — level. liz truss may take the view that if she wishes to become a leader— that if she wishes to become a leader in— that if she wishes to become a leader in the future, it's better to remain— leader in the future, it's better to remain loyal rather than be opposed to boris— remain loyal rather than be opposed to borisjohnson but these are the kind of— to borisjohnson but these are the kind of calculations that are undoubtedly going on at this stage. many thanks again. our political correspondent there. it is still a bit of a waiting game here in downing street. the door of number ten currently firmly shut, and whether we see borisjohnson emerging from it later, it remains to be seen. but it is a time we will say goodbye to our viewers across
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the world on bbc world and the coverage continues on bbc news channel and he ran down the street on this crisis for borisjohnson. so, we are here for the beginning of all of the sequence of news that is coming up. and of course bbc news at six pm. in a few minutes. we have the chair of the transport committee, i think, the chair of the transport committee, ithink, yes, that is right, good evening to you. good evenint. right, good evening to you. good evening- can _ right, good evening to you. good evening. can you _ right, good evening to you. good evening. can you tell— right, good evening to you. good evening. can you tell viewers - right, good evening to you. good| evening. can you tell viewers way decided to _ evening. can you tell viewers way decided to do _ evening. can you tell viewers way decided to do what _ evening. can you tell viewers way decided to do what you _ evening. can you tell viewers way decided to do what you have - evening. can you tell viewers way| decided to do what you have done today and submit a letter? iieit today and submit a letter? i felt the news over— today and submit a letter? i felt the news over the _ today and submit a letter? i felt the news over the last - today and submit a letter? ifelit the news over the last couple of
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days, there have either been untruths or serious incompetence. either of those is not good enough for a prime minister and that cost me to change my view and pull my support. i don't regret that at all and i was in the committee this afternoon and did not feel i got good answers from the prime minister they are either and i feel we need a change. they are either and i feel we need a chante. ~ ~ . they are either and i feel we need a chante.~ ~ , change. when the prime minister says to ou and change. when the prime minister says to you and others _ change. when the prime minister says to you and others that _ change. when the prime minister says to you and others that he _ change. when the prime minister says to you and others that he has - change. when the prime minister says to you and others that he has a - to you and others that he has a significant mandate, which he won less than three years ago, and that colleagues really have no right to come to disregard that, what is your answer? ., �* . , come to disregard that, what is your answer? . �* , , ., , answer? that's why i have been supporting _ answer? that's why i have been supporting them _ answer? that's why i have been supporting them up _ answer? that's why i have been supporting them up until- answer? that's why i have been supporting them up until now . answer? that's why i have been - supporting them up until now because this for the pie i did not support him as leader, he got a mandate from voters and he got reelected. but since then, we seem to have lost the public trust and we have also as a result of that lost our ability to govern, make the big key decision people need during these challenging times. i'm afraid to say something he did to the four prime minister, if you are not on your game and not
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delivery, you know that you will end “p delivery, you know that you will end up being replaced by someone who can do that and that's what i very much will happen and nobody gets some dignity and steps down by his own volition, although it forced on me and others because i think it is now getting rather humiliating. taste getting rather humiliating. we understand this meeting is going on behind me at number ten it. what would happen then if the prime minister delivers the message that he delivered to you and others in that liaison committee and says i have a job to do, i have amended will fail and i'm not going anywhere?— will fail and i'm not going an here? . , ., , will fail and i'm not going an here? . , ., anywhere? that line 'ust wants to go to be lost anywhere? that line 'ust wants to go to to foot or _ anywhere? that line 'ust wants to go to be lost a majority — anywhere? that line just wants to go to be lost a majority of— anywhere? that line just wants to go to be lost a majority of his _ anywhere? that line just wants to go to be lost a majority of his cabinet i to be lost a majority of his cabinet and he cannot carry on and just in the fact it cannot replace government ministers, that will be a trigger point and the reality is if there is a majority of mps it won't it to go down a particular path, we will find a way for it to happen and that will be the changing of the 1922 committee which i asked the chairman for work to receive not as my letter of no confidence in the
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primacy but also as a mandate to change the rules or tell the prime minister that that will happen if he does not step down by his own accord. ., ~' , ., , does not step down by his own accord. ., ,, i. , . does not step down by his own accord. ., ~ ,, , . ., accord. thank you very much for “oinint accord. thank you very much for joining us. _ accord. thank you very much for joining us, chairman _ accord. thank you very much for joining us, chairman of- accord. thank you very much for joining us, chairman of the - joining us, chairman of the transport committee and conservative mp. coming up in a few minutes, bbc news at six p.m. mp. coming up in a few minutes, bbc news at six pm. and coverage will continue on bbc news channel throughout the evening to see if there is any resolution to this crisis which is now engulfing boris johnson and very big questions about his future as prime minister. we will be the outcome? we don't know but abc news at 6pm is coming up soon.
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today at six... the prime minister's authority is draining away. resignations from government and a loss of support among his backbenchers as well. just some of the tory ministers and aides grab sent in letters of resignation, 36 counting. is grab sent in letters of resignation, 36 counting-— grab sent in letters of resignation, 36 counting. is the government are collapsing? — 36 counting. is the government are collapsing? in _ 36 counting. is the government are collapsing? in the _ 36 counting. is the government are collapsing? in the last _ 36 counting. is the government are collapsing? in the last hour, - collapsing? in the last hour, cabinet ministers _ collapsing? in the last hour, cabinet ministers have - collapsing? in the last hour, cabinet ministers have beeni cabinet ministers have been streaming into number 10 with one message for borisjohnson, it is time to go. it follows a devastating speech from the former health secretary. we have reason to question the truth and integrity of what we have all been told. and at some point, we have to conclude that enough is enough.
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i believe that point is now.

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