hello and welcome to the programme that brings together leading uk columnists with foreign correspondents who write, blog and broadcast from the dateline: london. britain's conservatives like to think of themselves as belonging to the natural party of government. this week, it's looked more like the natural party of farce. two cabinet ministers announced publicly they'd had enough. of borisjohnson. of boris johnson. mrjohnson of borisjohnson. mrjohnson had not had enough of himself.

for 48 hours, he dug in his heels, even as, one after another, members of his government resigned. in all, five cabinet level and 23junior ministers quit because he wouldn't, along with a couple of dozen parliamentary aides. on wednesday evening, the prime minister sacked one of his oldest allies who'd told him to go. another, who'd accepted promotion from him just the night before, deserted his cause. mrjohnson insisted the voters had given him a mandate to govern and he would do just that. some feared he was considering a fresh appeal to the nation — by calling a general election. a prime minister who'd dissolved parliament once when he couldn't get his way might do so again. in fact, come thursday lunch time, borisjohnson decided he had to go. he announced his resignation — blaming not himself but the herd

instinct of his party. when time is up for tory leaders, they are visited by "the men in grey suits", political grandees. the verdict in the dateline studio is delivered by men and women with grey hairs, with decades of experience between them of writing and broadcasting about the uk. janet daley�*s weekly column appears in the sunday telegraph, a source of succur to british conservatives. though he hails from the country which hosts the european union, the belgian economist marc roche — who writes for le point in france — shared boris johnson's enthusiasm for brexit. and thomas kielinger has been explaining the british to his fellow germans for a quarter of a century, having first lived here in the 1960s. a warm welcome to all of you, you have seen so many british prime ministers come in a blaze of optimism and glory or force ministers come in a blaze of optimism and glory orforce majeure, because they've succeeded some nails who has gone, and then you've seen them and, sadly, as i think it was suggested, always in tears and always the end of career and failure. janet dailey, was this one

written in the stars from long ago? it wasn't a surprise to anybody except for boris johnson, apparently, it except for borisjohnson, apparently, it was except for boris johnson, apparently, it was remarkable for one thing, in that it was not doomed with policy, it was to do with personality. and the removal of him was being demanded not because he had made some horrendous mistake in the way he had handled government or dealt with legislation, but because he was considered to be dishonorable, and that puts this in a very different category. and the tragedy is, i suppose, if you would call it — comic tragedy — is that even at the end, he referred to this herd mentality that pushed him out. obviously, he felt unjustly. even at the end, he did not have enough self—knowledge to understand that it was his character. when he was abroad and interviewed about this, he said he, if you're expect me to

re—contract my character, that's awkward to happen. and he was caught out in a series of what have to be assumed to be deliberate lies and obtuse stations. he refused, even to the end, after he was asked whether he had made this remark about this predatory man... two he had made this remark about this predatory man- - -— he had made this remark about this predatory man... two other men. he had... predatory man... two other men. he had- -- this — predatory man... two other men. he had... this was _ predatory man... two other men. he had... this was a _ predatory man... two other men. he had... this was a man _ predatory man... two other men. he had... this was a man in _ predatory man... two other men. he had... this was a man in the - had... this was a man in the government, and he was deputy chief whip, so he was sort of in charge of discipline. he whip, so he was sort of in charge of disciline. ., , , , . , discipline. he was deputy chief whip at the time- — discipline. he was deputy chief whip at the time. he _ discipline. he was deputy chief whip at the time. he made _ discipline. he was deputy chief whip at the time. he made a _ discipline. he was deputy chief whip at the time. he made a joke, - discipline. he was deputy chief whip at the time. he made a joke, which. at the time. he made a joke, which is a characteristic boris joke, i have known him for 20 years, and absolutely characteristic boris joke, he is pincher by name and pincher by nature. he was asked in three separate reviews that i saw whether he had said that, and he said no every time, and that is not

acceptable. it was his character and integrity in question, not his governing policies, and he obviously thought that was deeply unjust. he thought that was deeply unjust. he thought he got the policy right on covid, on the vaccination programme, on the war, so why was that enough? and he did not see was simply an affable to have a man who could tell lies of that kind or evade the truth in that way as prime minister. find in that way as prime minister. and et, marc in that way as prime minister. and yet, marc roche, _ in that way as prime minister. and yet, marc roche, there still seem to be using the number, though clearly now a minority in the parliamentary conservative party, who still wanted him to stay as prime minister, still in the sense thought the voters had priced in that element of his character but would still be willing to see them continue because of what they saw as his qualities outweighing his flaws. despite... reau outweighing his flaws. despite... reall was outweighing his flaws. despite... really was a _ outweighing his flaws. despite... really was a serial _ outweighing his flaws. despite... really was a serial liar _ outweighing his flaws. despite... really was a serial liar -- - outweighing his flaws. despite... really was a serial liar -- we - outweighing his flaws. despite... l really was a serial liar -- we knew really was a serial liar —— we knew he was _ really was a serial liar —— we knew he was a _ really was a serial liar —— we knew he was a serial liar. the partners in europe —

he was a serial liar. the partners in europe have suffered that when he was saying _ in europe have suffered that when he was saying one thing one day and then in_ was saying one thing one day and then in private, and then another thing _ then in private, and then another thing in _ then in private, and then another thing in public, so we knew that, but they— thing in public, so we knew that, but they thought, i suppose, that because _ but they thought, i suppose, that because he had such an assured entry victory— because he had such an assured entry victory in _ because he had such an assured entry victory in the — because he had such an assured entry victory in the polls and he had managed _ victory in the polls and he had managed to take all of these labour constituencies for the first time, that he — constituencies for the first time, that he will do that again, that he had the _ that he will do that again, that he had the magic touch with the public, but i'm _ had the magic touch with the public, hut i'm very— had the magic touch with the public, but i'm very happy he went because, on the _ but i'm very happy he went because, on the whole, it is a marvellous lesson of— on the whole, it is a marvellous lesson of democracy. you cannot lie in other— lesson of democracy. you cannot lie in other countries, on the continent. politicians lie and continue _ continent. politicians lie and continue. here, he had to go, sol think— continue. here, he had to go, sol think it _ continue. here, he had to go, sol think it shows that the british political— think it shows that the british political system is still based on this rigorous, slightly protestant,

slightly, — this rigorous, slightly protestant, slightly, oryour this rigorous, slightly protestant, slightly, or your private life and your— slightly, or your private life and your public life have to stick together, which is a good thing. and et, together, which is a good thing. yet, thomas, together, which is a good thing. fiflc yet, thomas, his party together, which is a good thing. fific yet, thomas, his party tolerated this behaviour or misbehavior on more than one occasion, and some might say it is not a great reflection on the conservative party or conservative parliamentary party, that many of them were willing to go to tv studios, parroting the line they had given him and, clearly on more than one occasion, not believing it themselves or not being convincing delivering it. is there a danger for convincing delivering it. is there a dangerfor the convincing delivering it. is there a danger for the conservatives that they might think, we have cauterized they might think, we have cauterized the wound, he will have gone after the wound, he will have gone after the election of his successor, but the voters might not be quite as tolerant of that and quite as willing to give passings? whether the conservatives _ willing to give passings? whether the conservatives fell _ willing to give passings? whether the conservatives fell victims - willing to give passings? whether the conservatives fell victims to l the conservatives fell victims to

the conservatives fell victims to the mantra. _ the conservatives fell victims to the mantra, there _ the conservatives fell victims to the mantra, there is _ the conservatives fell victims to the mantra, there is no - the conservatives fell victims to i the mantra, there is no alternative to boris— the mantra, there is no alternative to borisjohnson, _ the mantra, there is no alternative to borisjohnson, he _ the mantra, there is no alternative to borisjohnson, he is— the mantra, there is no alternative to borisjohnson, he is the - the mantra, there is no alternative to borisjohnson, he is the natural| to borisjohnson, he is the natural winter. _ to borisjohnson, he is the natural winter. he — to borisjohnson, he is the natural winter. he wiii— to borisjohnson, he is the natural winter, he will get _ to borisjohnson, he is the natural winter, he will get us _ to borisjohnson, he is the natural winter, he will get us through - to borisjohnson, he is the natural. winter, he will get us through every problem. _ winter, he will get us through every problem, everything, _ winter, he will get us through every problem, everything, but— winter, he will get us through every problem, everything, but it- winter, he will get us through every problem, everything, but it was. problem, everything, but it was wrong _ problem, everything, but it was wrong right— problem, everything, but it was wrong right from _ problem, everything, but it was wrong right from the _ problem, everything, but it was wrong right from the start. - problem, everything, but it was- wrong right from the start. because one issue _ wrong right from the start. because one issue that— wrong right from the start. because one issue that helped _ wrong right from the start. because one issue that helped him - wrong right from the start. because one issue that helped him come - wrong right from the start. becausej one issue that helped him come out bid was— one issue that helped him come out bid was brexit. _ one issue that helped him come out big was brexit, and _ one issue that helped him come out big was brexit, and dominic- one issue that helped him come out i big was brexit, and dominic cummings said the _ big was brexit, and dominic cummings said the other— big was brexit, and dominic cummings said the other day... _ big was brexit, and dominic cummings said the other day... his— big was brexit, and dominic cummings said the other day. . ._ said the other day... his former adviser. former _ said the other day... his former adviser. former chief _ said the other day... his former adviser. former chief adviser i said the other day... his former i adviser. former chief adviser avoid we not —— said why we got him into down the street— —— said why we got him into down the street was— —— said why we got him into down the street was because _ —— said why we got him into down the street was because we _ —— said why we got him into down the street was because we had _ —— said why we got him into down the street was because we had one - —— said why we got him into down the street was because we had one issuel street was because we had one issue at the _ street was because we had one issue at the time — street was because we had one issue at the time not _ street was because we had one issue at the time, not because _ street was because we had one issue at the time, not because we - at the time, not because we thought he would _ at the time, not because we thought he would he — at the time, not because we thought he would be this _ at the time, not because we thought he would be this great _ at the time, not because we thought he would be this great political- he would be this great political beast — he would be this great political beast that _ he would be this great political beast. that is— he would be this great political beast. that is rather, - he would be this great political beast. that is rather, shall- he would be this great political beast. that is rather, shall i. he would be this great political. beast. that is rather, shall i say, a tragic— beast. that is rather, shall i say, a tragic explanation _ beast. that is rather, shall i say, a tragic explanation of _ beast. that is rather, shall i say, a tragic explanation of how- beast. that is rather, shall i say, a tragic explanation of how this i a tragic explanation of how this party— a tragic explanation of how this party was — a tragic explanation of how this party was a _ a tragic explanation of how this party was a one _ a tragic explanation of how this party was a one trick _ a tragic explanation of how this party was a one trick ardea - party was a one trick ardea beginning. _ party was a one trick ardea beginning, brexit. - party was a one trick ardea beginning, brexit. it- party was a one trick ardea beginning, brexit. it had. party was a one trick ardea| beginning, brexit. it had to party was a one trick ardea . beginning, brexit. it had to do party was a one trick ardea - beginning, brexit. it had to do with corhyn. _ beginning, brexit. it had to do with corhyn. the — beginning, brexit. it had to do with corbyn, the opponent, _ beginning, brexit. it had to do with corbyn, the opponent, who - beginning, brexit. it had to do with corbyn, the opponent, who was - beginning, brexit. it had to do with. corbyn, the opponent, who was pretty uneiectahie. _ corbyn, the opponent, who was pretty uneiectahie. so — corbyn, the opponent, who was pretty unelectable, so it— corbyn, the opponent, who was pretty unelectable, so it was _ corbyn, the opponent, who was pretty unelectable, so it was a _ corbyn, the opponent, who was pretty unelectable, so it was a massive - unelectable, so it was a massive victory, — unelectable, so it was a massive victory, but _ unelectable, so it was a massive victory, but he _ unelectable, so it was a massive victory, but he was _ unelectable, so it was a massive victory, but he was untested - unelectable, so it was a massivej victory, but he was untested and unelectable, so it was a massive - victory, but he was untested and the forbearance — victory, but he was untested and the forbearance that _ victory, but he was untested and the

forbearance that they _ victory, but he was untested and the forbearance that they showed - victory, but he was untested and the forbearance that they showed him i victory, but he was untested and the i forbearance that they showed him was beginning _ forbearance that they showed him was beginning to _ forbearance that they showed him was beginning to wane _ forbearance that they showed him was beginning to wane more _ forbearance that they showed him was beginning to wane more and _ forbearance that they showed him was beginning to wane more and more. i beginning to wane more and more. does _ beginning to wane more and more. does that— beginning to wane more and more. does that worry _ beginning to wane more and more. does that worry you, _ beginning to wane more and more. does that worry you, janet, - beginning to wane more and more. does that worry you, janet, that i beginning to wane more and more. j does that worry you, janet, that he may damage his party even if he is no longer its leader? he may damage his party even if he is no longer its leader?— may damage his party even if he is no longer its leader? he was never ro erl a no longer its leader? he was never pr0perly a team — no longer its leader? he was never properly a team player. _ no longer its leader? he was never properly a team player. he - no longer its leader? he was never properly a team player. he was i no longer its leader? he was never i properly a team player. he was never really the sort of person who normally gets elected as party leader. i would normally gets elected as party leader. iwould not normally gets elected as party leader. i would not say dominic cummings complete too hard. donna coming from those him and is up to get him and is delighted at his fall, so i would not take that too seriously. you have to remember, boris was a fantastically popular and successful mayor in the city of london, in a city which is normally fantastically labour. the mayor of london does not have much power and cannot pass much legislation, so that was fined, and i kind of popularity, that lightly before anish quality that was enduring, was

not so great as prime minister, even without all the serious lying and misleading. that was going to work. he was an actor on the stage, of course — he was an actor on the stage, of course and _ he was an actor on the stage, of course. and this— he was an actor on the stage, of course. and this is— he was an actor on the stage, of course. and this is a _ course. and this is a theatre nature _ course. and this is a theatre nature they— course. and this is a theatre nature. they like _ course. and this is a theatre nature. they like theatrical. nature. they like theatrical performances. _ nature. they like theatrical performances.— nature. they like theatrical performances. nature. they like theatrical erformances. �* . ., performances. and we have had theatrical ministers _ performances. and we have had theatrical ministers before i performances. and we have had theatrical ministers before who | performances. and we have had i theatrical ministers before who have managed to do a good job. far theatrical ministers before who have managed to do a good job.— managed to do a good 'ob. far more tolerant of it — managed to do a good 'ob. far more tolerant of it than i managed to do a good job. far more tolerant of it than people _ tolerant of it than people in germany— tolerant of it than people in germany would. _ tolerant of it than people in germany would. and - tolerant of it than people in germany would. and that's| tolerant of it than people in i germany would. and that's why i thought— germany would. and that's why i thought it — germany would. and that's why i thought it was _ germany would. and that's why i thought it was particularly - germany would. and that's why i thought it was particularly funnyl thought it was particularly funny that he — thought it was particularly funny that he complained _ thought it was particularly funny that he complained about - thought it was particularly funny that he complained about the i that he complained about the eccentric— that he complained about the eccentric colleagues - that he complained about the eccentric colleagues who i that he complained about the i eccentric colleagues who stopped that he complained about the - eccentric colleagues who stopped him in this— eccentric colleagues who stopped him in this fracasm — eccentric colleagues who stopped him in this fracas... but _ eccentric colleagues who stopped him in this fracas. . ._ in this fracas... but the sad thing about him _ in this fracas... but the sad thing about him is _ in this fracas... but the sad thing about him is that, _ in this fracas... but the sad thing about him is that, as _ in this fracas... but the sad thing about him is that, as mayor i in this fracas... but the sad thing about him is that, as mayor of i about him is that, as mayor of london. — about him is that, as mayor of london. he _ about him is that, as mayor of london, he was cosmopolitan, he was open to— london, he was cosmopolitan, he was open to the _ london, he was cosmopolitan, he was open to the outside world. he became the seven— open to the outside world. he became the seven city in the world, and then— the seven city in the world, and then he — the seven city in the world, and then he become prime minister and he presents _ then he become prime minister and he presents a _ then he become prime minister and he presents a nationalistic view of

things — presents a nationalistic view of things. you know, in europe, they talk, _ things. you know, in europe, they talk, that— things. you know, in europe, they talk, that is— things. you know, in europe, they talk, that is the not support —— not the boris... i not support —— not the boris... think there is not support —— not the boris... i think there is not misunderstanding. i come from an immigrant family, my father did not speak english before he went to school, and i have no issue with cosmopolitan cities, but brexit... issue with cosmopolitan cities, but brexit. .. , ., issue with cosmopolitan cities, but brexit... , ., �* , brexit. .. the result of brexit is about- -- _ brexit. .. the result of brexit is about... but _ brexit. .. the result of brexit is about... but let's _ brexit. .. the result of brexit is about... but let's talk - brexit. .. the result of brexit is about... but let's talk about, l about... but let's talk about, before we — about... but let's talk about, before we re-fight _ about... but let's talk about, before we re-fight that i about... but let's talk about, | before we re-fight that battle, about... but let's talk about, i before we re-fight that battle, the before we re—fight that battle, the interesting thing is the european reaction to this in particular, and then we can talk a bit more about the wider world, but in paris, the lee's palace a not much into the fact that it is glad he was gone —— made not much hiding of the fact. i was at the g7, and they had these big honour on the shoulders, macron

and boris, all the rest of it, but in the end, there was very poor relationships... why does that matter for the future of the uk kwes grew ——? it is essential the uk has a good partnership with the eu, and especially with france on security, because _ especially with france on security, because those are the main armies on the continent, and they have a permanent seat on the secured counsel, — permanent seat on the secured counsel, so it is essential, and boris _ counsel, so it is essential, and boris was _ counsel, so it is essential, and boris was antagonistic to a point where _ boris was antagonistic to a point where there was a crisis not seen since de gaulle in the 605, when _ not seen since de gaulle in the 605, when he _ not seen since de gaulle in the 605, when he refused, quite rightly, i think. _ when he refused, quite rightly, i think. to — when he refused, quite rightly, i think, to have the british in the european — think, to have the british in the european union. the french could not wait to— european union. the french could not wait to get— european union. the french could not wait to get rid of him. this being said, _ wait to get rid of him. this being said. on— wait to get rid of him. this being said. on the _ wait to get rid of him. this being said, on the long term, do not 5aid, on the long term, do not expect— 5aid, on the long term, do not

expect too— said, on the long term, do not expect too much from the successor, because _ expect too much from the successor, because the — expect too much from the successor, because the problem we have, because of brexit. _ because the problem we have, because of brexit, are both one person. is there of brexit, are both one person. there a worry of brexit, are both one person. is there a worry for you, janet — you've been consistent and partially supportive of brexit, and you make the point you did it on the very straightforward grounds, very clear argument — lots of people voted for him for lots of different things. that was the skill of the campaign, in the sense that it could bring all these different concerns, grumpiness, and disaffection with politics, all channelled into brexit. are you worried, though, that that gave him that success and it might undermine the achievements of brexit, in other words, that his great success was to convince people of things that did not turn out to be true, like if we stay in the european union, turkey willjoin, there is all this money we painted

on the side of a bus that will go to the eu, etc, and what has been achieved by brexit will be undermined by the sense that we were misled? ., , undermined by the sense that we were misled? . , _, , misled? that is quite complicated... laughter you have to —— remember these are universal problems. everybody is facing hyperinflation, economic acclaim and lack of growth, everybody is county problems that follow on a pandemic which everybody was make economy was put into an induced coma for two years. in the united states, inflation is wildly out of control, and they have a much more serious on them problem that we have, so it would be a mistake for people just are looking at the eu and thinking, maybe we should've stayed in. maybe feelin: the maybe we should've stayed in. maybe feeling they were _ maybe we should've stayed in. maybe feeling they were delivered _ maybe we should've stayed in. maybe feeling they were delivered brexit on a false premise. i

feeling they were delivered brexit on a false premise.— on a false premise. i think the people who — on a false premise. i think the people who believed - on a false premise. i think the people who believed that i on a false premise. i think the j people who believed that have believed all along. there were people who were very angry... you don't people who were very angry. .. you don't think— people who were very angry... you don't think any _ people who were very angry... you don't think any of _ people who were very angry... you don't think any of the brexiteer5, don't think any of the brexiteers, people who voted for brexit, will feel, hang on, we voted for this because we trusted you, boris? thea;r because we trusted you, boris? they have decided — because we trusted you, boris? they have decided they _ because we tru5ted you, bori5? iie: have decided they don't because we trusted you, boris? tie: have decided they don't trust because we trusted you, boris? tiez1: have decided they don't trust him, and i do nothing that is going to impact much. ib’s and i do nothing that is going to impact much-— impact much. 18% of the british public think— impact much. 18% of the british public think brexit has - impact much. 1896 of the british | public think brexit has delivered. 18%, well 50% voted for it. and it has not delivered. 1896, well 5096 voted for it. and it has not delivered.— 1896, well 5096 voted for it. and it has not delivered. nobody is having a aood has not delivered. nobody is having a good time — has not delivered. nobody is having a good time economically. - has not delivered. nobody is having l a good time economically. laughter accordinu to a good time economically. laughter according to the _ a good time economically. laughter according to the g7, _ a good time economically. laughter according to the g7, the _ a good time economically. laughter according to the g7, the worst - according to the g7, the worst growth — according to the g7, the worst growth and worst inflation. partly because we _ growth and worst inflation. partly because we came _ growth and worst inflation. partly because we came out _ growth and worst inflation. partly because we came out of - growth and worst inflation. iisf'tl1' because we came out of pandemic and mocked down sooner. we had our little rise before and now it is dropping again —— and locked for europe came out of lockdown more

slowly, came out later, so their catastrophe is delayed. in the next year, i am willing to put money on this if i was a betting person, the euro is going to have a crisis, and it does not... we may have a crisis as well, but ours is not when we were sent yours.— as well, but ours is not when we were sent yours. talking a brexit, euro -e were sent yours. talking a brexit, europe has _ were sent yours. talking a brexit, europe has a _ were sent yours. talking a brexit, europe has a looking _ were sent yours. talking a brexit, europe has a looking at _ were sent yours. talking a brexit, europe has a looking at britain i were sent yours. talking a brexit, europe has a looking at britain as| were sent yours. talking a brexit, | europe has a looking at britain as a country— europe has a looking at britain as a country so — europe has a looking at britain as a country so deeply— europe has a looking at britain as a country so deeply divided - europe has a looking at britain as a country so deeply divided by - europe has a looking at britain as a country so deeply divided by a i country so deeply divided by a mistake. _ country so deeply divided by a mistake. so— country so deeply divided by a mistake, so europeans - country so deeply divided by a mistake, so europeans think, | country so deeply divided by a i mistake, so europeans think, that they inflicted _ mistake, so europeans think, that they inflicted upon _ mistake, so europeans think, that they inflicted upon themselves. i mistake, so europeans think, thati they inflicted upon themselves. all foreign _ they inflicted upon themselves. all foreign dangers _ they inflicted upon themselves. all foreign dangers that _ they inflicted upon themselves. all foreign dangers that were - they inflicted upon themselves. all. foreign dangers that were imperiling britain _ foreign dangers that were imperiling britain saw— foreign dangers that were imperiling britain saw the — foreign dangers that were imperiling britain saw the society— foreign dangers that were imperiling britain saw the society unite - foreign dangers that were imperiling britain saw the society unite behindl britain saw the society unite behind their leaders. — britain 5aw the society unite behind their leaders, now— britain saw the society unite behind their leaders, now human- britain saw the society unite behind their leaders, now human society . their leaders, now human society with brexitm _ their leaders, now human society with brexit... you _ their leaders, now human society with brexit... you are _ their leaders, now human society with brexit... you are unable i their leaders, now human society with brexit... you are unable to. with brexit... you are unable to unite _ with brexit... you are unable to unite the — with brexit... you are unable to unite the country, _ with brexit... you are unable to unite the country, behind - with brexit... you are unable to unite the country, behind this. unite the country, behind this unifying — unite the country, behind this unifying idea _ unite the country, behind this unifying idea. [it— unite the country, behind this unifying idea-— unite the country, behind this uni in: idea. ., ., . unifying idea. it was not introduced auainst unifying idea. it was not introduced a . ainst the unifying idea. it was not introduced against the will _ unifying idea. it was not introduced against the will of _ unifying idea. it was not introduced against the will of the _ unifying idea. it was not introduced against the will of the people. i unifying idea. it was not introduced against the will of the people. 5296 | against the will of the people. 5296 is not the against the will of the people. 52% is not the people. against the will of the people. 5296 is not the people. is _ against the will of the people. 5296 is not the people. is enough i against the will of the people. 52% is not the people. is enough to - against the will of the people. 52%} is not the people. is enough to win an election- _

is not the people. is enough to win an election. you _ is not the people. is enough to win an election. you can _ is not the people. is enough to win an election. you can win _ is not the people. is enough to win an election. you can win a - is not the people. is enough to win an election. you can win a general| an election. you can win a general election with _ an election. you can win a general election with less _ an election. you can win a general election with less than _ an election. you can win a general election with less than that! - an election. you can win a general election with less than that! any l election with less than that! any olitical election with less than that! any political leader _ election with less than that! my political leader who got election with less than that! jifuy political leader who got 50% of a general election vote would think they have died and gone to heaven. for an issue to master the future of the british— for an issue to master the future of the british politics _ for an issue to master the future of the british politics calculus... - the british politics calculus... what — the british politics calculus... what would _ the british politics calculus... what would you _ the british politics calculus... what would you have - the british politics calculus... | what would you have wanted, the british politics calculus... - what would you have wanted, 60%? it is not what i demand, it isjust what _ is not what i demand, it isjust what i — is not what i demand, it isjust what i see _ is not what i demand, it isjust what i see before _ is not what i demand, it isjust what i see before me, - is not what i demand, it isjust what i see before me, but- is not what i demand, it isjust what i see before me, but the| what i see before me, but the country— what i see before me, but the country is _ what i see before me, but the country is still— what i see before me, but the country is still divided - what i see before me, but the country is still divided and - what i see before me, but the i country is still divided and brexit is not _ country is still divided and brexit is not negotiated _ country is still divided and brexit is not negotiated to _ country is still divided and brexit is not negotiated to the - country is still divided and brexit is not negotiated to the end. - country is still divided and brexit is not negotiated to the end. wei is not negotiated to the end. we still have — is not negotiated to the end. we still have the _ is not negotiated to the end. we still have the northern _ is not negotiated to the end. we still have the northern ireland i still have the northern ireland protocoh _ still have the northern ireland rotocol. . , . , protocol. that is an interesting question. _ protocol. that is an interesting question. did _ protocol. that is an interesting question, did you _ protocol. that is an interesting question, did you get - protocol. that is an interesting question, did you get back - protocol. that is an interesting question, did you get back to l protocol. that is an interesting i question, did you get back to the domestic scene, the consequent support chanson going. we don't know how soon he is going, but in the next couple of months, probably. what are the consequences of his successor in not so much the way he behaved but more the fact they are following borisjohnson, in terms of within... following boris johnson, in terms of within... , ., _, ., within... they are coming after, i see. m within. .. they are coming after, i

see. my personal— within... they are coming after, i see. my personal preference - within... they are coming after, i i see. my personal preference would within... they are coming after, i - see. my personal preference would be for somebody who would be such the antithesis of borisjohnson... antithesis of boris johnson. .. boring? antithesis of boris johnson. .. borinu ? �* antithesis of boris johnson. .. borinu? �* _, antithesis of boris johnson. .. borinu? �* . ., ., antithesis of boris johnson. .. borinu? �* ., ., antithesis of boris johnson. .. borin.? �* . ., ., ., , boring? ben wallace, who would be... the real criticism _ boring? ben wallace, who would be... the real criticism of— boring? ben wallace, who would be... the real criticism of boris _ boring? ben wallace, who would be... the real criticism of boris was - boring? ben wallace, who would be... the real criticism of boris was he - the real criticism of boris was he was undisciplined and ben wallace is the defence secretary has been conducting a building campaign over in ukraine and he would be so different and such a profound contrast that i think that the memory of boris would vanish quite quickly. memory of boris would vanish quite cuickl . ~ ., ,, memory of boris would vanish quite cuickl . ~ ., , quickly. what you need is, in fact, the same thing — quickly. what you need is, in fact, the same thing that _ quickly. what you need is, in fact, the same thing that happened - quickly. what you need is, in fact, i the same thing that happened when thatcher— the same thing that happened when thatcher went and was replaced by john major, who made the vote and ratified _ john major, who made the vote and ratified the — john major, who made the vote and ratified the maastricht treaty. that is what _ ratified the maastricht treaty. that is what you want, and i think ben wallace _ is what you want, and i think ben wallace might be the sort of person aouar— wallace might be the sort of person aouar to _ wallace might be the sort of person aouar to bring the arguments with europe to — aouar to bring the arguments with europe to an end? the

aouar to bring the arguments with europe to an end?— aouar to bring the arguments with europe to an end? the country is not art uinu europe to an end? the country is not arguing about _ europe to an end? the country is not arguing about brexit _ europe to an end? the country is not arguing about brexit any _ europe to an end? the country is not arguing about brexit any more! - arguing about brexit any more! people like we are, we are still arguing about it, but is really gone, it is done. is arguing about it, but is really gone, it is done.— arguing about it, but is really gone, it is done. is the elephant in the room- — gone, it is done. is the elephant in the room. northern _ gone, it is done. is the elephant in the room. northern ireland - gone, it is done. is the elephant in the room. northern ireland has- the room. northern ireland has yet to see _ the room. northern ireland has yet to see a _ the room. northern ireland has yet to see a return _ the room. northern ireland has yet to see a return to _ the room. northern ireland has yet to see a return to the _ the room. northern ireland has yet to see a return to the regional- to see a return to the regional government— to see a return to the regional government and _ to see a return to the regional government and so _ to see a return to the regional government and so forth. - to see a return to the regional government and so forth. youj to see a return to the regional- government and so forth. you cannot just stuff— government and so forth. you cannot just stuff that — government and so forth. you cannot just stuff that under _ government and so forth. you cannot just stuff that under the _ government and so forth. you cannot just stuff that under the table. - government and so forth. you cannot just stuff that under the table. [- just stuff that under the table. i am just stuff that under the table. am sorry to say, northern just stuff that under the table]. am sorry to say, northern ireland just stuff that under the table]- am sorry to say, northern ireland is not usually at the top priorities for people in this country, and it has been a problem for various tragic regions for a very long time. what about the identity of the conservative party? is the public clear about what the consumer party stands for? ., ., ., , ., ., stands for? no, no. that is one of the more — stands for? no, no. that is one of the more serious _ stands for? no, no. that is one of the more serious problems, - stands for? no, no. that is one of the more serious problems, quite| the more serious problems, quite apart from borisjohnson's apart from boris johnson's personality problems, that is a serious problem, partly because of these bizarre circumstances, the

covid pandemic, the lockdowns, putting the economy into a coma. the rishi sunak argument, you must not gives you so much debt that you cannot pay it off, and therefore you must not cut taxes, against the alternative argument, espoused by many people... but alternative argument, espoused by many peeple- - -_ many people... not least the new chancellor of _ many people... not least the new chancellor of the _ many people... not least the new chancellor of the exchequer, - many people... not least the new chancellor of the exchequer, that| chancellor of the exchequer, that seems a highly, —— nadhim zahawi... that has to be addressed, and if you address that, there is an argument, if you reduce there is an argument, if you reduce the levels of there is an argument, if you reduce the levels 0— the levels of taxation, you get the laffer curve _ the levels of taxation, you get the laffer curve argument. _ the levels of taxation, you get the laffer curve argument. there - the levels of taxation, you get the laffer curve argument. there is i the levels of taxation, you get the laffer curve argument. there is a | laffer curve argument. there is a real argument going on about fiscal policy. real argument going on about fiscal oli . . , real argument going on about fiscal oli . ., , , real argument going on about fiscal oli . . , , , ., real argument going on about fiscal oli. . ,, ., policy. that is my question of, where does — policy. that is my question of, where does the _ policy. that is my question of, where does the conservative l policy. that is my question of, - where does the conservative party stand. _ where does the conservative party stand. cannot _ where does the conservative party stand, cannot be _ where does the conservative party stand, cannot be answered, - where does the conservative party stand, cannot be answered, they. where does the conservative party. stand, cannot be answered, they are fighting _ stand, cannot be answered, they are fighting the — stand, cannot be answered, they are fighting the consequences _ stand, cannot be answered, they are fighting the consequences of- stand, cannot be answered, they are fighting the consequences of a - fighting the consequences of a worldwide _ fighting the consequences of a worldwide crisis... _ fighting the consequences of a worldwide crisis... m- fighting the consequences of a worldwide crisis. . ._ fighting the consequences of a worldwide crisis... at the same time, worldwide crisis... at the same time. the _ worldwide crisis. .. at the same time, the official— worldwide crisis... at the same time, the official government l worldwide crisis... at the same i time, the official government has said that —

time, the official government has said that the budget deficit is unsustainable, because it is over 100% _ unsustainable, because it is over 100% of— unsustainable, because it is over 100% of gdp at the moment, and so the next _ 100% of gdp at the moment, and so the next prime minister should in fact diminish public spending and increase — fact diminish public spending and increase tax, but who, but which premonition will do that in a year and a _ premonition will do that in a year and a half— premonition will do that in a year and a half -- _ premonition will do that in a year and a half —— which prime minister will do _ and a half —— which prime minister will do that? — and a half -- which prime minister will do that?— will do that? that is very difficult. _ will do that? that is very difficult, but _ will do that? that is very difficult, but it _ will do that? that is very difficult, but it is - will do that? that is very difficult, but it is not - will do that? that is very - difficult, but it is not unique. this is happening in a great number of western democracies, having the same arguments because of the circumstances, and with the war in ukraine any cost of actual food going up, the imports of wheat and so on and cost of energy going up because of what russia is doing, we are all faced with this problem. tryr are all faced with this problem. try and find a coherent philosophy in the face — and find a coherent philosophy in the face of— and find a coherent philosophy in the face of all _ and find a coherent philosophy in the face of all the _ and find a coherent philosophy in the face of all the problems - and find a coherent philosophy in the face of all the problems you i the face of all the problems you rightly— the face of all the problems you rightly online _ the face of all the problems you rightly online for— the face of all the problems you rightly online for some - the face of all the problems you rightly online for some very- the face of all the problems you i rightly online for some very hard. we are _ rightly online for some very hard. we are in— rightly online for some very hard. we are in a — rightly online for some very hard. we are in a fighting _ rightly online for some very hard. we are in a fighting mode - rightly online for some very hard. we are in a fighting mode at- rightly online for some very hard. we are in a fighting mode at the. we are in a fighting mode at the nronrent, — we are in a fighting mode at the nronrent, try— we are in a fighting mode at the nronrent, try to— we are in a fighting mode at the moment, try to cope _ we are in a fighting mode at the moment, try to cope with - we are in a fighting mode at the moment, try to cope with so - we are in a fighting mode at the . moment, try to cope with so many absolute _ moment, try to cope with so many absolute overwhelming _ moment, try to cope with so many absolute overwhelming issues, - moment, try to cope with so manyl absolute overwhelming issues, that

partiesm _ absolute overwhelming issues, that parties... germany— absolute overwhelming issues, that parties... germany is— absolute overwhelming issues, that parties... germany is the _ absolute overwhelming issues, that parties... germany is the same. - absolute overwhelming issues, that| parties... germany is the same. the support— parties... germany is the same. the support for— parties... germany is the same. the support for the — parties... germany is the same. the support for the usual— parties... germany is the same. the support for the usual parties... - support for the usual parties... they— support for the usual parties... they have _ support for the usual parties... they have been _ support for the usual parties... they have been smashed. - support for the usual parties... they have been smashed. macron has been paralysed- _ they have been smashed. macron has been paralysed. for— they have been smashed. macron has been paralysed. for five _ they have been smashed. macron has been paralysed. for five years, - they have been smashed. macron has been paralysed. for five years, he - been paralysed. for five years, he is complete _ been paralysed. for five years, he is complete paralysed. _ been paralysed. for five years, he is complete paralysed. they - been paralysed. for five years, he i is complete paralysed. they endorse olitical er is complete paralysed. they endorse political per commence. _ is complete paralysed. they endorse political per commence. i _ is complete paralysed. they endorse political per commence. i began - is complete paralysed. they endorse political per commence. i began this j political per commence. i began this programme — political per commence. i began this programme with _ political per commence. i began this programme with a _ political per commence. i began this programme with a despicable - political per commence. i began this | programme with a despicable remark about the —— disrespect on marta but the colour of your hair! and you have more hair than me, even now! but on the serious note, you came here from the united states when harold lewis was pi came to the prime minister —— came when harold mcmillan was prime minister... when harold mcmillan was prime minister- - -_ when harold mcmillan was prime minister. . ._ you i when harold mcmillan was prime - minister. . ._ you came minister... the young one! you came when margaret _ minister... the young one! you came when margaret thatcher _ minister... the young one! you came when margaret thatcher was - minister... the young one! you came when margaret thatcher was in - minister... the young one! you came when margaret thatcher was in her i when margaret thatcher was in her prime. how will borisjohnson rate in the panoply of time? he

prime. how will boris johnson rate in the panoply of time?— in the panoply of time? he might thouiht in the panoply of time? he might thought he _ in the panoply of time? he might thought he was _ in the panoply of time? he might thought he was a _ in the panoply of time? he might thought he was a benjamin - thought he was a benjamin disraelim _ thought he was a ben'amin disraeli. . .fi thought he was a ben'amin disraeli... , ., ., , disraeli... just really originally was regarded _ disraeli... just really originally was regarded as _ disraeli... just really originally was regarded as a _ disraeli... just really originally was regarded as a joke. - disraeli... just really originally was regarded as a joke. he - disraeli... just really originally i was regarded as a joke. he was, disraeli... just really originally - was regarded as a joke. he was, and was regarded as a 'oke. he was, and --eole was regarded as a 'oke. he was, and people grew _ was regarded as a 'oke. he was, and people grew to — was regarded as a joke. he was, and people grew to like _ was regarded as a joke. he was, and people grew to like and _ was regarded as a joke. he was, and people grew to like and respect - was regarded as a joke. he was, and people grew to like and respect his i people grew to like and respect his talent. _ people grew to like and respect his talent. and — people grew to like and respect his talent, and therefore _ people grew to like and respect his talent, and therefore he _ people grew to like and respect his talent, and therefore he falls - people grew to like and respect his talent, and therefore he falls out i talent, and therefore he falls out of the _ talent, and therefore he falls out of the template _ talent, and therefore he falls out of the template of _ talent, and therefore he falls out of the template of british - of the template of british politicians _ of the template of british politicians to _ of the template of british politicians to be - of the template of british i politicians to be measured. of the template of british - politicians to be measured. he continues— politicians to be measured. he continues to _ politicians to be measured. he continues to remain _ politicians to be measured. he continues to remain an - politicians to be measured. hel continues to remain an outsider politicians to be measured. he - continues to remain an outsider and eccentric, _ continues to remain an outsider and eccentric, intellectual, _ continues to remain an outsider and eccentric, intellectual, of— continues to remain an outsider and eccentric, intellectual, of great- eccentric, intellectual, of great powers— eccentric, intellectual, of great powers and _ eccentric, intellectual, of great powers and ability, _ eccentric, intellectual, of great powers and ability, and - eccentric, intellectual, of great powers and ability, and i- eccentric, intellectual, of great powers and ability, and i thinkl powers and ability, and i think people — powers and ability, and i think people will— powers and ability, and i think people will try _ powers and ability, and i think people will try not _ powers and ability, and i think people will try not to - powers and ability, and i think people will try not to rate - powers and ability, and i think people will try not to rate him | powers and ability, and i think. people will try not to rate him as powers and ability, and i think- people will try not to rate him as a politician _ people will try not to rate him as a politician but — people will try not to rate him as a politician butjust_ people will try not to rate him as a politician but just as _ people will try not to rate him as a politician but just as a _ people will try not to rate him as a politician but just as a powerful. politician but just as a powerful person — politician but just as a powerful person who _ politician but just as a powerful person who enriched... - politician but just as a powerful person who enriched... find - politician butjust as a powerful person who enriched... and 'ust ha--ens person who enriched... and 'ust heppenstefi person who enriched... and 'ust happens to become i person who enriched... and 'ust happens to become prime h person who enriched... and just - happens to become prime minister? and helped us understand is not quite _ and helped us understand is not quite that— and helped us understand is not quite that easy _ and helped us understand is not quite that easy to _ and helped us understand is not quite that easy to be _ and helped us understand is not quite that easy to be a - and helped us understand is not quite that easy to be a politicianj quite that easy to be a politician when _ quite that easy to be a politician when you — quite that easy to be a politician when you lack— quite that easy to be a politician when you lack certain _ quite that easy to be a politician when you lack certain other- when you lack certain other talents. he had _ when you lack certain other talents. he had other— when you lack certain other talents. he had other talents... _ when you lack certain other talents. he had other talents. . ._ he had other talents... great communicator. _ he had other talents... great communicator. yeah, - he had other talents... great communicator. yeah, but - he had other talents... great communicator. yeah, but he| he had other talents. .. great - communicator. yeah, but he forgot about the entirely _

political rule book. janet? i think ou will political rule book. janet? i think you will be _ political rule book. janet? i think you will be rehabilitated - political rule book. janet? i think you will be rehabilitated as - political rule book. janet? i think you will be rehabilitated as a - you will be rehabilitated as a political personality, but he must go quickly. i wish he had gone on the day he made that statement. it is an acceptable, for some of the who's party has decided he was dishonorable. bind who's party has decided he was dishonorable.— who's party has decided he was dishonorable. and so lovingly... yes. he would've _ dishonorable. and so lovingly... yes. he would've allowed - dishonorable. and so lovingly... yes. he would've allowed on - dishonorable. and so lovingly... | yes. he would've allowed on the crowd to be caretaker. the worst prime minister, _ crowd to be caretaker. the worst prime minister, i _ crowd to be caretaker. the worst prime minister, i think, - crowd to be caretaker. the worst prime minister, ithink, because| crowd to be caretaker. the worst i prime minister, i think, because he prime minister, ithink, because he is a serial— prime minister, ithink, because he is a serial liar. and for me, british— is a serial liar. and for me, british politics has always been that people are moral. of course, blair— that people are moral. of course, blair did _ that people are moral. of course, blair did light also with iraq, and he is _ blair did light also with iraq, and he is having to cross to bear. anthony _ he is having to cross to bear. anthony eden lied. but he is having to cross to bear. anthony eden lied.— he is having to cross to bear. anthony eden lied. but in the case of johnson. _ anthony eden lied. but in the case ofjohnson. he _ anthony eden lied. but in the case ofjohnson, he should _ anthony eden lied. but in the case ofjohnson, he should have - anthony eden lied. but in the case ofjohnson, he should have neverl ofjohnson, he should have never been _ ofjohnson, he should have never been prime — ofjohnson, he should have never been prime minister. he did not have

any of— been prime minister. he did not have any of the _ been prime minister. he did not have any of the qualities of seriousness, partnership, gravitas that you need in a prime — partnership, gravitas that you need in a prime minister or french president. _ in a prime minister or french president, and unfortunately, there is alternative... president, and unfortunately, there is alternative. . ._ is alternative... marc roche, janet dale , is alternative... marc roche, janet daley. thomas _ is alternative... marc roche, janet daley, thomas kielinger, - is alternative... marc roche, janet daley, thomas kielinger, nikki - is alternative... marc roche, janetl daley, thomas kielinger, nikki very much for some one name we have not mentioned in history books is david lloyd george. that is it for dateline london this week. we are back sometime next week. goodbye.

hello. the technical definition of a heatwave is for three consecutive days of temperatures above a certain threshold, which differs in different parts of the country. and it does look as if, as high pressure moves right across the uk this weekend, some spots in wales, not widely, but more of england from sunday will hit those thresholds and for three consecutive days — sunday, monday, tuesday. so, we are looking at a heatwave developing in some spots. scotland and northern ireland will warm up a bit, but briefly, and this is where we've been seeing over recent days quite a lot of cloud and some patchy rain and drizzle at times. and there'll still be a fair amount of cloud out there as we go through the night and into tomorrow morning. and particularly towards northern scotland, we'll see things turning wetter on saturday. in fact, by the end of the day, some of these outbreaks of rain you see moving in will be getting heavier. but elsewhere, in the clouds towards the north and west of scotland, for northern ireland,

you could see a spot of light rain. sunny spells eastern and southern scotland and across much of england and wales, though not necessarily clear blue sky. it's here temperatures after heating up on friday will take a little bit of a step backwards, but still feel very warm. not the hottest finals week at wimbledon, but it will feel hot. certainly on centre court, there will be plenty of sunshine. it will be dry out there, and this is the area of high pressure slap bang across us on sunday. deflecting rain—bearing weather fronts even further to the north, it's really towards northern isles on sunday, especially into shetland by the afternoon. not as breezy as it's been in scotland, more places here and in northern ireland seeing some sunny spells and feeling warmer as a result. and temperatures on the up again through england and wales, near 30 in the hot spots here. so, that heatwave starting and lasting through monday and tuesday in many areas of england, parts of wales, as we see another day of lots of sunshine. we will see a weather front approaching north west scotland late on monday, eventually bringing some outbreaks of rain here. and it's that weather front

which eventually is going to sweep southwards and take cooler air southwards as the week goes on. but for monday into tuesday, we are talking about a couple of days of temperatures into the low 30s towards the south east of england before this weather front eventually moves on through. so, a very warm start actually to the week, too, across parts of scotland and northern ireland. turning cooler here, temperatures dipping below average for the time of year. cooler, too, for wales and england eventually, although the further south you are, it'll stay very warm.

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