�* 7asri’ith dropping out. we will be back with ou in “ust dropping out. we will be back with you in just a _ dropping out. we will be back with you in just a few— dropping out. we will be back with you in just a few minutes. - dropping out. we will be back with you in just a few minutes. it - dropping out. we will be back with you in just a few minutes. it won't| you in just a few minutes. it won't take so graham a very long. but we have been led to believe so graham who chairs this committee will be itemising the number of votes each candidate has received. it is a pretty busy room, committee room iii. pretty busy room, committee room m. it is a hot and sticky room at the best of times. these are not the best of times. these are not the best of times. these are not the best of times, power and it is an old building. one of the more interesting explanations why mps are getting grumpy at the end of the summer term isn'tjust getting grumpy at the end of the summer term isn't just they are tired and fractious and want to get home. here we are. here is so graham brady. these are the executive members of the committee and there is sir graham brady clutching the numbers. he will make sure everyone is around him and ready to confirm those numbers. this is sir graham brady,

the chairman of the 1922 committee. good evening. i can announce the result of the ballot held this afternoon. i will read the names of the candidates in ever bigger to go order with the number of votes secured —— in alphabetical order. kemi badenoch, a0. suella braverman, 32. jeremy hunt, 18. penny morden, 67. rishi sunak, 88 —— penny mordaunt. liz truss, 50. tom tugendhat, 37. nadim zahawi, 25. therefore under the rules we agreed for this ballot, two candidates will be eliminated, jeremy hunt and nadim zahawi. the others are able to go forward into the second ballot which

will take place tomorrow. thank you very much. will take place tomorrow. thank you ve much. ,, ., . will take place tomorrow. thank you very much-— very much. short and sweet and dramatic in _ very much. short and sweet and dramatic in the _ very much. short and sweet and dramatic in the sense _ very much. short and sweet and dramatic in the sense that - very much. short and sweet and dramatic in the sense that not l very much. short and sweet and i dramatic in the sense that not only is the last leadership challenge jeremy hunt who fought boris johnson, eliminated from the contest, also nadim zahawi, and many people wondered what impact his decision to accept office as chancellor of the exchequer at the very end of borisjohnson's premiership and then to urge him it a net less than a day to quit, what impact that would have —— and then to urge him within less than a day, to urge him within less than a day, to quit, what impact that would have, were they not impressed? mai; have, were they not impressed? may be a bit of have, were they not impressed? i— be a bit of both and there was a lot of criticism of nadim zahawi behind the scenes for agreeing to be chancellor and then the next day saying to the prime minister that the day after that, saying to the prime minister, he had lost faith in him and he needed to go, but you are right, it is a big deal that the

current chancellor nadim zahawi is out. jeremy hunt who had been plotting his campaign behind—the—scenes now for some time, really, he is out, as well. he went to the tory membership and lost to borisjohnson last time. suella braverman, a darling of the right, she is 18 brexiteer and we had her on bbc news earlier talking about her brexiteer credentials —— she is a brexiteer. she scraped through by just a matter of votes, two, and she potentially is going to struggle to get through tomorrow's round which will eliminate the person with the fewest votes. in terms of the top, rishi sunak is a fair bit of —— ahead of his nearest rival the trade minister, penny morden, but she has

momentum amongst the membership, and a lot of the question will be about who is best placed to take on rishi sunak, penny mordaunt or liz truss. tom tugendhat and kemi badenoch, they are not out of the race yet. in terms of what happens, we have two candidates who came very close to being eliminated, kemi badenochjust got 30 and suella braverman 32, so what calculation are their supporters going make now? fix, lat what calculation are their supporters going make now? a lot of --eole supporters going make now? a lot of eo - le will supporters going make now? a lot of peeple will try _ supporters going make now? a lot of peeple will try to _ supporters going make now? a lot of people will try to figure _ supporters going make now? a lot of people will try to figure out - supporters going make now? a lot of people will try to figure out who - people will try to figure out who jeremy hunt and nadim zahawi's supporters go to over the next few hours and in terms ofjeremy hunt, he is from the one nation side of the party and he is more likely i think, his supporters are more likely to go to rishi sunak or tom tugendhat, but in terms of nadim zahawi, his supporters could move pretty widely, so not completely

clear where they are going to go but i will try to bring in some supporters and we have got david davis. penny mordaunt in second at the moment, what is your analysis? it is a very good result, she came second _ it is a very good result, she came second to — it is a very good result, she came second to rishi sunak and he has had a campaign _ second to rishi sunak and he has had a campaign in place for some time so that is_ a campaign in place for some time so that is pretty good and he was the favourita — that is pretty good and he was the favourite. is that is pretty good and he was the favourite. , ., ., , ., favourite. is he the man to beat? that has always _ favourite. is he the man to beat? that has always been _ favourite. is he the man to beat? that has always been the - favourite. is he the man to beat? i that has always been the argument. an opinion— that has always been the argument. an opinion poll today has shown penny— an opinion poll today has shown penny mordaunt in a very good light, the party— penny mordaunt in a very good light, the party and the country like her, and they— the party and the country like her, and they want a reset. it is clear they— and they want a reset. it is clear they want— and they want a reset. it is clear they want a _ and they want a reset. it is clear they want a reset and my view is that the — they want a reset and my view is that the parliamentary party should -ive that the parliamentary party should give them _ that the parliamentary party should give them the choice of the reset and i_ give them the choice of the reset and i think— give them the choice of the reset and i think they have all that up, 67 votes— and i think they have all that up, 67 votes is— and i think they have all that up, 67 votes is good for a first outing

and it— 67 votes is good for a first outing and it puts — 67 votes is good for a first outing and it puts her in a prime position to challenge rishi sunak. do and it puts her in a prime position to challenge rishi sunak.- to challenge rishi sunak. do you think the argument _ to challenge rishi sunak. do you think the argument for _ to challenge rishi sunak. do you think the argument forjeremy i to challenge rishi sunak. do you - think the argument forjeremy hunt's former supporters and the former supporters of nadim zahawi, what is the argument you will make to them as to why they should get behind penny mordaunt? bath as to why they should get behind penny mordaunt?— as to why they should get behind penny mordaunt? both of them were ve stron: penny mordaunt? both of them were very strong arguments _ penny mordaunt? both of them were very strong arguments against - penny mordaunt? both of them were very strong arguments against the i very strong arguments against the current— very strong arguments against the current economic policy and the central— current economic policy and the central issue, inflation and growth, and penny— central issue, inflation and growth, and penny mordaunt has made the most cogent _ and penny mordaunt has made the most cogent argument in a terrific launch for turbo—charging growth, using not 'ust for turbo—charging growth, using not just tax— for turbo—charging growth, using not just tax cuts, but innovation and incentives — just tax cuts, but innovation and incentives for people to do better and encouraging work, it infrastructure linking up the country. _ infrastructure linking up the country, all those things played into the — country, all those things played into the growth and cutting inflation agenda which they majored on so _ inflation agenda which they majored on so we _ inflation agenda which they majored on so we should be in a good position— on so we should be in a good position to get the number of supporters to us.— position to get the number of supporters to us. one of the things that she said _ supporters to us. one of the things that she said was _ supporters to us. one of the things that she said was her— supporters to us. one of the things that she said was her central- supporters to us. one of the things that she said was her central fiscal| that she said was her central fiscal rule is that debt as a percentage of

gdp should come down over time, what does that mean as a rule? istallion gdp should come down over time, what does that mean as a rule?— does that mean as a rule? when you have 'ust does that mean as a rule? when you have just borrowed _ does that mean as a rule? when you have just borrowed £400 _ does that mean as a rule? when you have just borrowed £400 billion - does that mean as a rule? when you have just borrowed £400 billion to l have just borrowed £400 billion to -et have just borrowed £400 billion to get through a once of a century crisis. — get through a once of a century crisis. you _ get through a once of a century crisis, you can't say we are going to pay— crisis, you can't say we are going to pay off— crisis, you can't say we are going to pay off next year, you try to do that but _ to pay off next year, you try to do that but the — to pay off next year, you try to do that but the treasury is trying to pay off— that but the treasury is trying to pay off too — that but the treasury is trying to pay off too quickly and that is causing — pay off too quickly and that is causing a _ pay off too quickly and that is causing a recession. what we need to do is to— causing a recession. what we need to do is to have — causing a recession. what we need to do is to have a steady long—term plan, _ do is to have a steady long—term plan, that— do is to have a steady long—term plan, that will stabilise the financial markets and make the pound stop sinking, the pad is sinking like a _ stop sinking, the pad is sinking like a stone at the moment, and that will feed _ like a stone at the moment, and that will feed into reducing inflation so a clear— will feed into reducing inflation so a clear long—term plan and for her to put— a clear long—term plan and for her to out a _ a clear long—term plan and for her to put a number on it today would be unwise _ to put a number on it today would be unwise. ., ., , , ., to put a number on it today would be unwise. ., ., , , . , unwise. your thoughts is that penny mordaunt has _ unwise. your thoughts is that penny mordaunt has a _ unwise. your thoughts is that penny mordaunt has a lot _ unwise. your thoughts is that penny mordaunt has a lot of _ unwise. your thoughts is that penny mordaunt has a lot of the _ unwise. your thoughts is that penny i mordaunt has a lot of the momentum? more momentum than almost anybody else and _ more momentum than almost anybody else and a _ more momentum than almost anybody else and a lot of conservatives will be thinking is the —— this the person—

be thinking is the —— this the person to _ be thinking is the —— this the person to be the prime minister and to lead _ person to be the prime minister and to lead us— person to be the prime minister and to lead us into the next general election— to lead us into the next general election and i think the answer is yes _ election and i think the answer is yes it_ election and i think the answer is es. ~ ., ., election and i think the answer is es, ., ., , election and i think the answer is es. ., ., , ., yes. a lot of people now filling into central— yes. a lot of people now filling into central lobby _ yes. a lot of people now filling into central lobby to _ yes. a lot of people now filling into central lobby to give i yes. a lot of people now filling into central lobby to give us . yes. a lot of people now filling i into central lobby to give us their take. i will try to grab one of rishi sunak�*s supporters and liz truss will have her team, as well. the central thing to come out of this is that there are three candidates who are a bit in the ligament rishi sunak at the top, penny mordaunt not far behind, and thenit penny mordaunt not far behind, and then it liz truss in third place. ladle then it liz truss in third place. we will be back to you in just a few moments. i am with one mp who is the mp for st austell and you were originally supporting sajid javid? i originally supporting sajid javid? i was, but this afternoon i supported kemi badenoch.— was, but this afternoon i supported kemibadenoch. . kemi badenoch. what was the process? she was talking — kemi badenoch. what was the process? she was talking about _ kemi badenoch. what was the process? she was talking about a _ kemi badenoch. what was the process? she was talking about a positive - she was talking about a positive vision for the country and i think she will give a fresh perspective

and i think she can really cut through and deliver. i spoke to her and was impressed and decided to give her my vote. we and was impressed and decided to give her my vote.— give her my vote. we had a by-election _ give her my vote. we had a by-election in _ give her my vote. we had a by-election in the - give her my vote. we had a i by-election in the south-west a give her my vote. we had a - by-election in the south-west a few by—election in the south—west a few weeks ago, tiverton went to the liberal democrats, and your constituency along with most of the others in cornwall has been liberal democrat in living memory, so that is the political challenge for you, so why do you think she would be the kind of leader who could help you keep that part of the country blue? that is a fair question and in my constituency labour have come twice so it is a very mixed picture across the south—west. it is always a risk reading too much into by—elections but i think kemi badenoch has a broad reach and she can reach right across the country and she can connect with ordinary people in a way that i think it's really exciting for our party and in seats like mine i believe she can sew a positive vision that people will get

behind. == she can sell. positive vision that people will get behind.i she can sell.— positive vision that people will get behind.i she can sell. behind. -- she can sell. has she got time? she — behind. -- she can sell. has she got time? she has— behind. -- she can sell. has she got time? she has 40 _ behind. -- she can sell. has she got time? she has 40 votes _ behind. -- she can sell. has she got time? she has 40 votes which i behind. -- she can sell. has she got time? she has 40 votes which is i time? she has a0 votes which is impressive for someone who is a relatively new mp with a relatively low public profile but being prime minister is a different customer fish. it minister is a different customer fish. , ., minister is a different customer fish. , . ., �* , minister is a different customer fish. , . ., �*, ., ., fish. it is, and that's one of the questions _ fish. it is, and that's one of the questions i _ fish. it is, and that's one of the questions i needed _ fish. it is, and that's one of the questions i needed to - fish. it is, and that's one of the questions i needed to answer. fish. it is, and that's one of the l questions i needed to answer but fish. it is, and that's one of the i questions i needed to answer but i believe she can == questions i needed to answer but i believe she can— believe she can -- different kettle of fish. everyone _ believe she can -- different kettle of fish. everyone speaks - believe she can -- different kettle of fish. everyone speaks highly i believe she can -- different kettle of fish. everyone speaks highly of| of fish. everyone speaks highly of her ability to _ of fish. everyone speaks highly of her ability to deliver _ of fish. everyone speaks highly of her ability to deliver and - of fish. everyone speaks highly of her ability to deliver and of i of fish. everyone speaks highly of her ability to deliver and of her i her ability to deliver and of her decision—making and i think, it will be a challenge, it would be a challenge for anyone in the circumstances, but i think she will bring a fresh approach and she wants to do things differently and that is what we need right now. igalore to do things differently and that is what we need right now. were you surrised what we need right now. were you surprised jeremy _ what we need right now. were you surprised jeremy hunt _ what we need right now. were you surprised jeremy hunt and - what we need right now. were you surprised jeremy hunt and nadim| surprised jeremy hunt and nadim zahawi should fall at the first fence? ., ., ., ., ., , fence? someone had to and it was very close- — fence? someone had to and it was very close. looking _ fence? someone had to and it was very close. looking at _ fence? someone had to and it was very close. looking at the - fence? someone had to and it was very close. looking at the figures, | very close. looking at the figures, actually, almost anything could happen now and i'm sure phones will be rigging across parliament from those who backed nadim zahawi and

jeremy hunt to persuade them to come on board with those campaigns. in terms of what it is conservative mps, the calculation they are having to make, and you know the party membership in cornwall and you know the activist will be coming along to the activist will be coming along to the hustings and meetings and certainly watching and voting, so what are the characteristics they are looking for and what do they want that they did not have from borisjohnson? want that they did not have from boris johnson?_ want that they did not have from boris johnson? boris johnson was very popular— boris johnson? boris johnson was very popular in — boris johnson? boris johnson was very popular in my _ boris johnson? boris johnson was very popular in my constituency i very popular in my constituency until recent times.— very popular in my constituency until recent times. public opinion said by the _ until recent times. public opinion said by the end _ until recent times. public opinion said by the end he _ until recent times. public opinion said by the end he was _ until recent times. public opinion said by the end he was very i said by the end he was very unpopular?— said by the end he was very un--oular? ~ ., , ., ., unpopular? whoever takes over has a 'ob to do unpopular? whoever takes over has a job to do to — unpopular? whoever takes over has a job to do to rebuild _ unpopular? whoever takes over has a job to do to rebuild trust _ unpopular? whoever takes over has a job to do to rebuild trust with - unpopular? whoever takes over has a job to do to rebuild trust with the i job to do to rebuild trust with the british public and demonstrate that we can deliver, that we can govern in the interests of the country, the whole country, and deliver the things that people are wanting and i think kemi badenoch can do that and

what the british public are looking for is a fresh approach, something new, that they can really get behind and a positive vision of our country that i think people are looking for. in terms of the prospects now, the next couple of days, it will be pretty intensive, trying to persuade notjust pretty intensive, trying to persuade not just the pretty intensive, trying to persuade notjust the people whose candidate has dropped out but also try to get a few votes across from people who have already backed one candidate and persuade them to rethink? it is and persuade them to rethink? it is a cliche but — and persuade them to rethink? it is a cliche but in _ and persuade them to rethink? it 3 a cliche but in elections like this you are looking for momentum and it is clear that kemi badenoch has got that with the number of voters coming from a very slow start to get a0 people to back her at this stage, clearly there is growing momentum behind her and i'm clearly there is growing momentum behind herand i'm sure clearly there is growing momentum behind her and i'm sure there will behind her and i'm sure there will be a lot of trading and dealing going on behind—the—scenes right now but they will be a sense of who is on the up and moving forward and who can we get behind.— can we get behind. steve, mp fort st auster, thanks _

can we get behind. steve, mp fort st auster, thanks for— can we get behind. steve, mp fort st auster, thanks forjoining _ can we get behind. steve, mp fort st auster, thanks forjoining us. -- i auster, thanks forjoining us. —— for. nick? it auster, thanks for 'oining us. -- for. nick?— for. nick? it is all about the interpretation _ for. nick? it is all about the interpretation of _ for. nick? it is all about the interpretation of the - for. nick? it is all about the interpretation of the results for. nick? it is all about the i interpretation of the results and for. nick? it is all about the - interpretation of the results and we have got someone who can tell us who she is packing. i’m have got someone who can tell us who she is packing-— she is packing. i'm backing rishi sunak because _ she is packing. i'm backing rishi sunak because i _ she is packing. i'm backing rishi sunak because i think _ she is packing. i'm backing rishi sunak because i think he's i she is packing. i'm backing rishi sunak because i think he's the i she is packing. i'm backing rishi i sunak because i think he's the best person— sunak because i think he's the best person to _ sunak because i think he's the best person to take the country forward in difficult — person to take the country forward in difficult economic circumstances -- lracking — in difficult economic circumstances —— backing. he is ahead in the result but not by miles? it is -- backing. he is ahead in the result but not by miles? it is a aood result but not by miles? it is a good start _ result but not by miles? it is a good start and _ result but not by miles? it is a good start and i _ result but not by miles? it is a good start and i think - result but not by miles? it is a good start and i think it - result but not by miles? it is a good start and i think it will. result but not by miles? it is a i good start and i think it will be result but not by miles? it is a l good start and i think it will be a closely— good start and i think it will be a closely fought election, these things— closely fought election, these things always are, but i have confidence in rishi sunak, especially speaking is one of the so-called — especially speaking is one of the so—called brexit spartans, i think he will— so—called brexit spartans, i think he will get — so—called brexit spartans, i think he will get on with the northern ireland — he will get on with the northern ireland protocol which is crucial for making sure of the unity of our country— for making sure of the unity of our country for— for making sure of the unity of our country for top new brexit spartans because _ country for top new brexit spartans because you never got on board with theresa may's _ because you never got on board it? theresa may's deal back in the day, that is. we have had some brexiteer colleagues of yours on here saying they are backing liz truss and backing penny mordaunt and some of

them backing suella braverman and them backing suella braverman and the right—wing vote in the party is split, isn't it? we the right-wing vote in the party is split. isn't it?— split, isn't it? we have got some fantastic candidates _ split, isn't it? we have got some fantastic candidates so _ split, isn't it? we have got some fantastic candidates so it - split, isn't it? we have got some fantastic candidates so it is i split, isn't it? we have got some fantastic candidates so it is no i fantastic candidates so it is no surprise — fantastic candidates so it is no surprise the different wings of the party— surprise the different wings of the party are — surprise the different wings of the party are backing different candidates but i'm confident that rishi _ candidates but i'm confident that rishi sunak is the best guide to take us— rishi sunak is the best guide to take us forward to winning a general election— take us forward to winning a general election which is crucial because we cannot— election which is crucial because we cannot deliver the change we need for the _ cannot deliver the change we need for the country unless we are governing. for the country unless we are governing-— for the country unless we are governing. for the country unless we are trovernin. , , ., , governing. there seems to be the ideal of economic _ governing. there seems to be the ideal of economic realism - governing. there seems to be the ideal of economic realism from i governing. there seems to be the i ideal of economic realism from rishi sunak, the idea you can't cut taxes until you get the economy growing and until you get inflation under control, do you think some of his rivals are promising things they can't deliver?— rivals are promising things they can't deliver? there are different views between _ can't deliver? there are different views between the _ can't deliver? there are different views between the candidates i can't deliver? there are different| views between the candidates but can't deliver? there are different l views between the candidates but i would _ views between the candidates but i would point out that he is a tax cutter. — would point out that he is a tax cutter. he _ would point out that he is a tax cutter, he announced an income tax cutter, he announced an income tax cut and _ cutter, he announced an income tax cut and he _ cutter, he announced an income tax cut and he has also raised the threshold. cut and he has also raised the threshold-— cut and he has also raised the threshold. ., ., , , threshold. hold on, he 'ust put

taxes u- threshold. hold on, he 'ust put taxes up and h threshold. hold on, he 'ust put taxes up and the i threshold. hold on, he 'ust put taxes up and the tax i threshold. hold on, hejust put taxes up and the tax burden i threshold. hold on, hejust put taxes up and the tax burden is| threshold. hold on, he just put i taxes up and the tax burden is at its highest was 70 years and he may be promising them but his record suggests he is anything but a tax cutter. ., , ., ., suggests he is anything but a tax cutter. . , ., ., , suggests he is anything but a tax cutter. . , . ., , ., cutter. some taxes have gone up to do with the _ cutter. some taxes have gone up to do with the crisis, _ cutter. some taxes have gone up to do with the crisis, to _ cutter. some taxes have gone up to do with the crisis, to make - cutter. some taxes have gone up to do with the crisis, to make sure i do with the crisis, to make sure that— do with the crisis, to make sure that we — do with the crisis, to make sure that we can _ do with the crisis, to make sure that we can do all we can to clear the covid — that we can do all we can to clear the covid back log and support our social— the covid back log and support our social care — the covid back log and support our social care system, but in other respects — social care system, but in other respects taxes have gone down, not least raising the national insurance threshold, — least raising the national insurance threshold, but we are in a difficult situation — threshold, but we are in a difficult situation and we need to make sure that when— situation and we need to make sure that when we do cut taxes we do so in a responsible way which does not burden— in a responsible way which does not burden future generations with debt. that is— burden future generations with debt. that is at— burden future generations with debt. that is at the heart of what rishi sunak— that is at the heart of what rishi sunak wants to do and i agree with him _ sunak wants to do and i agree with him. ,., , sunak wants to do and i agree with him. , ., ., him. theresa villiers, thanks for 'oinini him. theresa villiers, thanks for joining us- _ him. theresa villiers, thanks for joining us- we — him. theresa villiers, thanks for joining us. we will _ him. theresa villiers, thanks for joining us. we will get _ him. theresa villiers, thanks for joining us. we will get you i him. theresa villiers, thanks for joining us. we will get you back| joining us. we will get you back late in the campaign to figure out how it is all going. can you speak to us? we can speak to one of liz truss's supporters. what do you make of the result? the

truss's supporters. what do you make of the result?— of the result? the most important thing today _ of the result? the most important thing today is _ of the result? the most important thing today is that _ of the result? the most important thing today is that liz _ of the result? the most important thing today is that liz truss i of the result? the most important thing today is that liz truss is i thing today is that liz truss is part— thing today is that liz truss is part of— thing today is that liz truss is part of a _ thing today is that liz truss is part of a pack of three candidates who have — part of a pack of three candidates who have really pulled away from the others _ who have really pulled away from the others and _ who have really pulled away from the others and you have the serious momentum going into the days ahead. she is— momentum going into the days ahead. she is only— momentum going into the days ahead. she is only ten ahead of tom tugendhat. brute she is only ten ahead of tom tugendhat-— she is only ten ahead of tom tuiendhat. ~ . ., ., ., , ., tugendhat. we are part of a group of --eole who tugendhat. we are part of a group of people who have _ tugendhat. we are part of a group of people who have more _ tugendhat. we are part of a group of people who have more than - tugendhat. we are part of a group of people who have more than 50 i tugendhat. we are part of a group of people who have more than 50 votes which _ people who have more than 50 votes which is _ people who have more than 50 votes which is a _ people who have more than 50 votes which is a serious pace within the parliamentary party and if you look at this— parliamentary party and if you look at this and — parliamentary party and if you look at this and the wider polling it is clear— at this and the wider polling it is clear that — at this and the wider polling it is clear that liz truss is the sensible option— clear that liz truss is the sensible option and — clear that liz truss is the sensible option and i— clear that liz truss is the sensible option and i would say that there is a need _ option and i would say that there is a need for— option and i would say that there is a need for the right of the conservative party in particular to -et conservative party in particular to get behind the candidate who can most _ get behind the candidate who can most credibly win this election and id most credibly win this election and go forward — most credibly win this election and go forward with a pro—enterprise low tax alternative for the british public — tax alternative for the british ublic. ~ ., tax alternative for the british ublic. ~ . ., tax alternative for the british ublic. . . ., public. we have heard theresa villiers on _ public. we have heard theresa villiers on who _ public. we have heard theresa villiers on who is _ public. we have heard theresa villiers on who is on _ public. we have heard theresa villiers on who is on the i public. we have heard theresa villiers on who is on the right. public. we have heard theresal villiers on who is on the right of your party, when it came to brexit, anyway, she is backing your boss rishi sunak. anyway, she is backing your boss rishi sunak-— anyway, she is backing your boss rishi sunak. there will be a range of --eole rishi sunak. there will be a range of people taking _ rishi sunak. there will be a range of people taking different - rishi sunak. there will be a range of people taking different views i rishi sunak. there will be a range i of people taking different views but i of people taking different views but i look _ of people taking different views but i look at _ of people taking different views but i look at some of the candidates who are on— i look at some of the candidates who are on nry— i look at some of the candidates who are on my wing of the party and who

are on my wing of the party and who are now— are on my wing of the party and who are now bagging people who are polling _ are now bagging people who are polling at much lower in these rounds— polling at much lower in these rounds i— polling at much lower in these rounds i do think people need to think— rounds i do think people need to think long — rounds i do think people need to think long and hard about making serious _ think long and hard about making serious choices —— backing people. a responsive _ serious choices —— backing people. a responsive estate but a small estate with lower _ responsive estate but a small estate with lower taxes and lots of growth, that is _ with lower taxes and lots of growth, that is what — with lower taxes and lots of growth, that is what liz truss has set out —— a responsive state but a small state _ -- a responsive state but a small state. ., ., ~' -- a responsive state but a small state. ., ., ~ .,, , -- a responsive state but a small state. ., ., ~' .,, , ., state. you work in the treasury and ou know state. you work in the treasury and you know what _ state. you work in the treasury and you know what is _ state. you work in the treasury and you know what is in _ state. you work in the treasury and you know what is in the _ state. you work in the treasury and you know what is in the coffers i state. you work in the treasury and you know what is in the coffers and| you know what is in the coffers and what the country can afford. rishi sunak until a couple of weeks ago with your boss and he says we can't afford tax cuts at the moment. you said that the couple of weeks ago, what changed your mind? that said that the couple of weeks ago, what changed your mind?- what changed your mind? that is redicated what changed your mind? that is predicated on — what changed your mind? that is predicated on not _ what changed your mind? that is predicated on not changing i what changed your mind? that is predicated on not changing the i predicated on not changing the underlying economic plan, set out by boris _ underlying economic plan, set out by borisjohnson, the outgoing prime minister. — borisjohnson, the outgoing prime minister, and if you change the economic— minister, and if you change the economic plans and liz truss says she will— economic plans and liz truss says she will have a spending review, then— she will have a spending review, then you — she will have a spending review, then you free up some headroom and she will— then you free up some headroom and she will also — then you free up some headroom and she will also treat the covid debt differently, more akin to wall

bonds. — differently, more akin to wall bonds, and that creates more headroom. —— war. bonds, and that creates more headroom. -- war.— bonds, and that creates more headroom. -- war. ., ., ., ., , , headroom. -- war. you are a treasury minister that — headroom. -- war. you are a treasury minister that you _ headroom. -- war. you are a treasury minister that you helped _ headroom. -- war. you are a treasury minister that you helped to _ headroom. -- war. you are a treasury minister that you helped to draw i headroom. -- war. you are a treasury minister that you helped to draw up i minister that you helped to draw up the economic plan but you are now disowning the economic plan from a couple of weeks ago. that disowning the economic plan from a couple of weeks ago.— disowning the economic plan from a couple of weeks ago. that was under the government _ couple of weeks ago. that was under the government of— couple of weeks ago. that was under the government of boris _ couple of weeks ago. that was under the government of boris johnson i couple of weeks ago. that was under the government of boris johnson and the government of boris johnson and those _ the government of boris johnson and those were _ the government of boris johnson and those were his economic plans predicated on the priorities his effort — predicated on the priorities his effort was determined to deliver but liz effort was determined to deliver but liz truss _ effort was determined to deliver but liz truss says there is room to deliver— liz truss says there is room to deliver efficiencies and also by treating — deliver efficiencies and also by treating the covid debt differently and going after growth and allowing us to have _ and going after growth and allowing us to have tax cuts when the cost of living _ us to have tax cuts when the cost of living is _ us to have tax cuts when the cost of living is such — us to have tax cuts when the cost of living is such a major priority for people. — living is such a major priority for people, which is sensible and reasonable. we are not in the world we work— reasonable. we are not in the world we work last— reasonable. we are not in the world we work last week and we have got to respond _ we work last week and we have got to respond and _ we work last week and we have got to respond and make different choices. penny— respond and make different choices. penny mordaunt came second with 67 votes, quite a bit in front of liz truss, are you worried that she is the one with the momentum? it’s the one with the momentum? it's im ortant the one with the momentum? it's important that we see how it plays out in _ important that we see how it plays out in the — important that we see how it plays out in the days ahead because there will be _ out in the days ahead because there

will be a _ out in the days ahead because there will be a lot— out in the days ahead because there will be a lot of churn and people on the right— will be a lot of churn and people on the right of— will be a lot of churn and people on the right of the party, looking at some _ the right of the party, looking at some of— the right of the party, looking at some of the views have expressed will have _ some of the views have expressed will have to look at whether she is the right— will have to look at whether she is the right person to lead the conservative party. like the right person to lead the conservative party. she conservative party. like what? she has certain — conservative party. like what? she has certain views _ conservative party. like what? she has certain views i _ conservative party. like what? she has certain views i would _ conservative party. like what? she has certain views i would not i conservative party. like what? she has certain views i would not agree i has certain views i would not agree with, _ has certain views i would not agree with. like _ has certain views i would not agree with. like on— has certain views i would not agree with, like on trans rights and the identity— with, like on trans rights and the identity of— with, like on trans rights and the identity of women, which is important when it comes to choosing the next _ important when it comes to choosing the next leader of the conservative party _ the next leader of the conservative party in — the next leader of the conservative party. i'm focused on the positive case _ party. i'm focused on the positive case for— party. i'm focused on the positive case for liz— party. i'm focused on the positive case for liz truss and i'm clear that— case for liz truss and i'm clear that i— case for liz truss and i'm clear that i think— case for liz truss and i'm clear that i think she has the best economic— that i think she has the best economic plan and the right experience and a record of delivery and she _ experience and a record of delivery and she is— experience and a record of delivery and she is someone who can unite this party— and she is someone who can unite this party and draw support from not 'ust this party and draw support from not just all— this party and draw support from not just all corners of the uk but all parts _ just all corners of the uk but all parts of— just all corners of the uk but all parts of the conservative party and it is clear _ parts of the conservative party and it is clear that 17 votes out of 360 odd is— it is clear that 17 votes out of 360 odd is not — it is clear that 17 votes out of 360 odd is not a — it is clear that 17 votes out of 360 odd is not a gap we cannot make up. it is odd is not a gap we cannot make up. it is our— odd is not a gap we cannot make up. it is our intention that we will. simon — it is our intention that we will. simon clarke, thanks forjoining us. currently the chief secretary to the treasury and also backing liz truss. it is so interesting that we have got lots of candidates and outlining

up got lots of candidates and outlining up to basically rip up boris johnson's economic model and is part of that we have senior ministers like simon clarke and other cabinet ministers saying we are on the wrong trajectory at the moment, very interesting. we will hear more from liz truss tomorrow when her official campaign launch is, by the way. nick, thanks. fascinating to hear those interviews. it is a beauty contest for every other mp in the parliamentary party because everybody wants to interview them right now and i want to bring you something thatjeremy hunt has put out on his social media platforms. he says he wants to thank his supporters who put their faith in him and it has become obvious you only get one big shot at that and he had his in 2019 when he stood against borisjohnson. it is clear that our party has an exciting future with an amazing array of talent on offer in this contest, he says, and he feels confident we are on track to win back trust. a gentle

word of advice to the remaining candidates, smears and attacks may bring short—term tactical gain but always backfire long—term. the nation has had enough of our drama, be the broader church and unbeatable election winning machine that our country deserves, he says. some words as he leaves the stage from jeremy hunt. big surprise? i don't think so. he had his chance in 2019 when borisjohnson beat him and he hasn't been in the game in the last couple of years and i was surprised that he stood, but he did not endorse another candidate, interestingly. let not endorse another candidate, interestingly-— not endorse another candidate, interestingly. not endorse another candidate, interestinil . ., ., interestingly. let me go through the votes. in interestingly. let me go through the votes- in case _ interestingly. let me go through the votes. in case people _ interestingly. let me go through the votes. in case people missed - interestingly. let me go through the votes. in case people missed them. | votes. in case people missed them. kemi badenoch a0. suella braverman, 32. jeremy hunt, 18. penny mordaunt

67. rishi sunak 88. tom tugendhat 37. liz truss 50. nadim zahawi, 25, that might be a surprise to people because he was the rising star of the partyjust moments ago, the newly appointed chancellor of the exchequer. he newly appointed chancellor of the exche . uer. , ., newly appointed chancellor of the excheiuer. , ., ., , exchequer. he is to answering questions _ exchequer. he is to answering questions even _ exchequer. he is to answering questions even today - exchequer. he is to answering questions even today about i exchequer. he is to answering i questions even today about what happened last week and obviously he took the job as chancellor on the tuesday and by wednesday he had written a letter to borisjohnson and that went down quite badly with the guys inside parliament. he made a few unforced errors and confusion about his tax policy. fitter? about his tax policy. very extravagant _ about his tax policy. very extravagant promises i about his tax policy. very extravagant promises for | about his tax policy. very l extravagant promises for a chancellor! laughter yes, exactly. it wasn't clear if he was talking with his tory candidate had on or his chancellor hat on. the thing to take on from here is what happens next. you read out the numbers and bear in mind that liz truss has not even declared, we expect that tomorrow, so at the

moment if you went to the final two, we are looking at rishi sunak against either penny mordaunt or liz truss and we will see tomorrow how liz truss does when the focus is on her. penny mordaunt had her launch this morning and it was sweltering and we were given a little penny mordaunt ticket. quite good. quite good as a fan! the best thing for her was a new graphic poll of tory voters, —— yougov poll of tory voters, —— yougov poll of tory voters, and that was interesting, because there is an electorate inside here, and also the mp5, and thenit inside here, and also the mp5, and then it will go to the party and the country, and they are the ones who will have to be convinced and they will have to be convinced and they will be at hustings across the

country and that will be interesting, as well. country and that will be interestin: , as well. ., , , , interesting, as well. long process still to come. _ we can speak now to our political correspondent nick eardley, who's in central lobby in the houses of parliament. you are mr popular tonight. i'm t in: to you are mr popular tonight. in trying to get this many mps on as possible and i am with damian green who was and still is back in tom tugendhat. your man got 37 votes. he is second last by my calculation. is he still in this?— he still in this? absolutely. people said, he still in this? absolutely. people said. would _ he still in this? absolutely. people said, would he _ he still in this? absolutely. people said, would he hit— he still in this? absolutely. people said, would he hit the _ he still in this? absolutely. people said, would he hit the limit? - he still in this? absolutely. people said, would he hit the limit? he i he still in this? absolutely. people said, would he hit the limit? he is| said, would he hit the limit? he is way over_ said, would he hit the limit? he is way over that. there is real momentum and also if you look at the result_ momentum and also if you look at the result as _ momentum and also if you look at the result as a _ momentum and also if you look at the result as a whole, what you see is that there — result as a whole, what you see is that there is — result as a whole, what you see is that there is a huge vote for freshness and people who are outside the curreht_ freshness and people who are outside the current establishment and tom is offering _ the current establishment and tom is offering a _ the current establishment and tom is offering a clean start and i think that is— offering a clean start and i think that is what the message of this ballot _ that is what the message of this ballot is, — that is what the message of this ballot is, but like all these elections it will be a long process. jeremy— elections it will be a long process. jeremy hunt is out. he is someone

who is broadly aligned to a lot of your views and may to a lot of tom tugendhat�*s as well, in the centre of the party, the one nation caucus, so do you think he starts to pick up some of those 18 votes? hat so do you think he starts to pick up some of those 18 votes?— some of those 18 votes? not 'ust jerem 's some of those 18 votes? not 'ust jeremy's because i some of those 18 votes? not 'ust jeremy's because also i some of those 18 votes? not just jeremy's because also nadim - some of those 18 votes? not just - jeremy's because also nadim zahawi has gone _ jeremy's because also nadim zahawi has gone out, as well, so there will be a lot— has gone out, as well, so there will be a lot of— has gone out, as well, so there will be a lot of folks flying around. i think— be a lot of folks flying around. i think as — be a lot of folks flying around. i think as t — be a lot of folks flying around. i think as i say, as people go through this, through the process, they will stop focusing on who has got the best policy offer and also the best chance _ best policy offer and also the best chance of— best policy offer and also the best chance of winning the next election -- they— chance of winning the next election -- they will— chance of winning the next election —— they will start focusing. i think tom _ —— they will start focusing. i think tom is— —— they will start focusing. i think tom is offering something very pupular— tom is offering something very porrular ih _ tom is offering something very popular in that respect. we tom is offering something very popular in that respect. we have had a few guests — popular in that respect. we have had a few guests on _ popular in that respect. we have had a few guests on before _ popular in that respect. we have had a few guests on before we _ popular in that respect. we have had a few guests on before we got - popular in that respect. we have had a few guests on before we got to - popular in that respect. we have had! a few guests on before we got to you in the last 20 minutes and both the teams of liz truss and penny mordaunt said they are the people who could go up against rishi sunak, so that is the truth of the matter, there are three big players left and ultimately two of them will go to

the membership? tiara ultimately two of them will go to the membership?— ultimately two of them will go to the membership? ultimately two of them will go to the membershi - ? ., ., ., the membership? two of them will go to the membership _ the membership? two of them will go to the membership but _ the membership? two of them will go to the membership but who _ the membership? two of them will go to the membership but who the - the membership? two of them will go| to the membership but who the second is, and _ to the membership but who the second is, and i_ to the membership but who the second is, and i agree rishi sunak is ahead, — is, and i agree rishi sunak is ahead, he _ is, and i agree rishi sunak is ahead, he is, if you like, the most known _ ahead, he is, if you like, the most known name — ahead, he is, if you like, the most known name in this election, so it seems _ known name in this election, so it seems likely that he will be one of the people and so the question is, the people and so the question is, the other— the people and so the question is, the other people scrapping for the other— the other people scrapping for the other slot— the other people scrapping for the other slot on the final ballot paper, — other slot on the final ballot paper, and i think tom would be a very strong — paper, and i think tom would be a very strong candidate against rishi sunak— very strong candidate against rishi sunak for— very strong candidate against rishi sunak for that but also and as people — sunak for that but also and as people look in the round and economic— people look in the round and economic policy, and the level of support— economic policy, and the level of support tom is getting from mps from all over— support tom is getting from mps from all over the _ support tom is getting from mps from all over the country and people like jake berry— all over the country and people like jake berry who runs the northern research — jake berry who runs the northern research group and north eastern mp who is— research group and north eastern mp who is a _ research group and north eastern mp who is a very big brexiteer, tom's appeal— who is a very big brexiteer, tom's appeal spreads across the party so we are _ appeal spreads across the party so we are fighting this to win. it appeal spreads across the party so we are fighting this to win. if is we are fighting this to win. it is interesting _ we are fighting this to win. it is interesting that _ we are fighting this to win. if 3 interesting that brexiteer seem to

be supporting every different wing of the party —— brexiteers. it feels thatis of the party —— brexiteers. it feels that is not a defining issue but maybe tax is. you have been deputy prime minister and you know how the game works and you know what your party stands for, are you a bit nervous that some of the candidates are coming out with really big pledges on tax and not giving any indication about how they are going to pay for it? that indication about how they are going to pay for it?— to pay for it? that is a fair point and as the _ to pay for it? that is a fair point and as the debate _ to pay for it? that is a fair point and as the debate continues - to pay for it? that is a fair point - and as the debate continues people will start— and as the debate continues people will start focusing more on the details — will start focusing more on the details and in particular whether the tax — details and in particular whether the tax cuts that people are promising might be inflationary, that is— promising might be inflationary, that is one of the big accusations and that— that is one of the big accusations and that is— that is one of the big accusations and that is why tom has been specific— and that is why tom has been specific in _ and that is why tom has been specific in what he said about tax and said — specific in what he said about tax and said one of the ways he wants to cut tax _ and said one of the ways he wants to cut tax is— and said one of the ways he wants to cut tax is specifically to cut duties— cut tax is specifically to cut duties on— cut tax is specifically to cut duties on fuel which will be anti—inflationary and that would be anti—inflationary and that would be a much _ anti—inflationary and that would be a much more sensible way of doing it than some _ a much more sensible way of doing it than some of the money that has been sprayed _ than some of the money that has been sprayed around by some people. |

than some of the money that has been sprayed around by some people. i was with tom tugendhat _ sprayed around by some people. i —" with tom tugendhat this morning and he wants 3% of gdp spent on defence and he wants to cut fuel duty by 10p, how is he going to pay for this? i asked 10p, how is he going to pay for this? iasked him 10p, how is he going to pay for this? i asked him that then he said he would set that out in the coming days, so at the moment we are getting these big pledges but nobody is saying where the money is coming from. ~ ., ., .,, is saying where the money is coming from. ~ ., ., , ., , from. what tom has said is he wants a ten ear from. what tom has said is he wants a ten year economic— from. what tom has said is he wants a ten year economic plan _ from. what tom has said is he wants a ten year economic plan and - from. what tom has said is he wants a ten year economic plan and we - from. what tom has said is he wants l a ten year economic plan and we need a ten year economic plan and we need a plan _ a ten year economic plan and we need a plan for— a ten year economic plan and we need a plan for growth because we haven't -ot a plan for growth because we haven't got one _ a plan for growth because we haven't got one at— a plan for growth because we haven't got one at the moment, extraordinarily, and that is the plan _ extraordinarily, and that is the plan that— extraordinarily, and that is the plan that will generate the revenues that will— plan that will generate the revenues that will enable us to spend more where _ that will enable us to spend more where we — that will enable us to spend more where we need to and i think tom is i’ilht where we need to and i think tom is right on— where we need to and i think tom is right on defence. and also to allow people _ right on defence. and also to allow people to _ right on defence. and also to allow people to spend more and keep more of their— people to spend more and keep more of their own _ people to spend more and keep more of their own money so that their chances — of their own money so that their chances of— of their own money so that their chances of getting through these cost problems are increased. damian green, cost problems are increased. damian green. thanks _ cost problems are increased. damian green, thanks for _ cost problems are increased. damian green, thanks forjoining _ cost problems are increased. damian green, thanks forjoining us. - cost problems are increased. damian green, thanks forjoining us. really l green, thanks for 'oining us. really leased green, thanks for 'oining us. really pleased about — green, thanks forjoining us. really pleased about the _ green, thanks forjoining us. really pleased about the result. _ green, thanks forjoining us. really pleased about the result. tom's - pleased about the result. tom's support— pleased about the result. tom's support is— pleased about the result. tom's support is strong _ pleased about the result. tom's support is strong and _

pleased about the result. tom's support is strong and clear- pleased about the result. tom's support is strong and clear and i support is strong and clear and obviously— support is strong and clear and obviously sad _ support is strong and clear and obviously sad for— support is strong and clear and obviously sad forjeremy- support is strong and clear and obviously sad forjeremy huntl support is strong and clear and i obviously sad forjeremy hunt and nadim _ obviously sad forjeremy hunt and nadim zahawi _ obviously sad forjeremy hunt and nadim zahawi but _ obviously sad forjeremy hunt and nadim zahawi but this _ obviously sad forjeremy hunt and nadim zahawi but this is- obviously sad forjeremy hunt and nadim zahawi but this is a - obviously sad forjeremy hunt and i nadim zahawi but this is a knockout contest _ nadim zahawi but this is a knockout contest and — nadim zahawi but this is a knockout contest and we _ nadim zahawi but this is a knockout contest and we now— nadim zahawi but this is a knockout contest and we now move _ nadim zahawi but this is a knockout contest and we now move into - nadim zahawi but this is a knockout contest and we now move into the i contest and we now move into the second _ contest and we now move into the second round _ contest and we now move into the second round i_ contest and we now move into the second round. i look— contest and we now move into the second round. i look forward - contest and we now move into the second round. i look forward to. second round. i look forward to tonr's— second round. i look forward to tom's strong _ second round. i look forward to tom's strong message, - second round. i look forward to tom's strong message, the - second round. i look forward to. tom's strong message, the clean start— tom's strong message, the clean start message, _ tom's strong message, the clean start message, about— tom's strong message, the clean start message, about delivering i start message, about delivering those _ start message, about delivering those things _ start message, about delivering those things we _ start message, about delivering those things we know _ start message, about delivering those things we know have - 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support— the moment. he continues to have my support i_ the moment. he continues to have my support i thank— the moment. he continues to have my support i thank you _ the moment. he continues to have my support i thank you so _ the moment. he continues to have my support i thank you so much _ the moment. he continues to have my support i thank you so much for- support i thank you so much for coming — support i thank you so much for coming and _ support i thank you so much for coming and speaking _ support i thank you so much for coming and speaking to- support i thank you so much for coming and speaking to us. i support i thank you so much for- coming and speaking to us. tugendhat managed _ coming and speaking to us. tugendhat managed to— coming and speaking to us. tugendhat managed to get — coming and speaking to us. tugendhat managed to get two _ coming and speaking to us. tugendhat managed to ge— managed to get two of his supporters _ managed to get two of his supporters. we _ managed to get two of his supporters. we got i managed to get two of his supporters. we got them | managed to get two of his i supporters. we got them both in managed to get two of his _ supporters. we got them both in the end. the next vote will be tomorrow. 50 the person with the fewest votes so the person with the fewest votes will be knocked out then. it seems like we are probably well into next week now, actually, before we find out to the final two are. let's see exactly what the 1922 committee says about the timetable, but he feels that maybe tuesday or wednesday now before we know exactly who the two candidates for prime minister are. l candidates for prime minister are. i thought trevelyan caught it beautifully there when they described it as a strange process and also said it's a knockout. it is a knockout, isn't it? if few knockout blows delivered. i've got sam lister with me, deputy political editor at the daily express, katie is still with me. let me ask you from your point of view, we talk about the top candidates, what about those bumping along near the bottom

in terms of the survivors, so time at tugendhat, kelly and braverman. this could be a difficult 2a hours for them. we this could be a difficult 24 hours for them. ~ ., �* , . ., , this could be a difficult 24 hours forthem. ~ ., �* , . ., , ., for them. we don't expect any of them to withdraw _ for them. we don't expect any of them to withdraw tonight, - for them. we don't expect any of them to withdraw tonight, but i for them. we don't expect any of. them to withdraw tonight, but there is another poll of tray and peas tomorrow. we are expecting by three o'clock in the afternoon, and the lowest scoring will be knocked out then. i was chatting to some other campaigns earlier, and some of them thought it might speed up over the weekend eventually as the votes to reallocate themselves or people reallocate themselves or people reallocate themselves or people reallocate themselves to different campaigns. we might see someone drop out by monday, could get to the final two by monday. i don't know whether if someone suffered a bit of heat stroke are a bit optimistic that this may be over by monday, i don't know. we will see. we that this may be over by monday, i don't know. we will see.— that this may be over by monday, i don't know. we will see. we have got to be careful — don't know. we will see. we have got to be careful about _ don't know. we will see. we have got to be careful about predicting - don't know. we will see. we have got to be careful about predicting the - to be careful about predicting the end of conflict. what has struck you from these events today? outwardly, things seem a little cheerful. we are being very positive, we are all very friendly, and we know that that's not true, because otherwise

the events that led to borisjohnson d administration would not have happened. what is happening behind the scenes? , a, ., , happened. what is happening behind the scenes? , ., , , , the scenes? penny martin has issued a cam aiun the scenes? penny martin has issued a campaign to _ the scenes? penny martin has issued a campaign to nadhim _ the scenes? penny martin has issued a campaign to nadhim zahawi - the scenes? penny martin has issued a campaign to nadhim zahawi when i a campaign to nadhim zahawi when his campaign— a campaign to nadhim zahawi when his campaign slogan it redirected to her websita _ campaign slogan it redirected to her website. they have got to rebuild the party. — website. they have got to rebuild the party, and it's really hard if you've — the party, and it's really hard if you've spent two weeks of taking hot shots _ you've spent two weeks of taking hot shots at _ you've spent two weeks of taking hot shots at each other. so it will be quite _ shots at each other. so it will be quite difficult to bring people together. obviously from today, i think_ together. obviously from today, i think that's about 43 votes now up for grabs— think that's about 43 votes now up for grabs from jeremy hunt's campaign and that obviously need to be spread _ campaign and that obviously need to be spread. i think time tugendhat is most _ be spread. i think time tugendhat is most likely— be spread. i think time tugendhat is most likely to pick up those. but then_ most likely to pick up those. but then where the rest of the boats go, we don't _ then where the rest of the boats go, we don't know. it's probably penny who might — we don't know. it's probably penny who might benefit from that. is a laruel who might benefit from that. is a largely secret _ who might benefit from that. is — largely secret process, when mp has asked to put on tick tock his experience of going into the lobby and looking around and you see this 0 of mps, some famous faces, some q of mps, some famous faces, some less well—known faces are lining up

excitedly to cast their ballots. but it's a secret ballot, isn't a? the end of the candidates know if the people have actually voted for them who say that they did stop louis saw that in thejeremy hunter results, because he only got 18 votes. you need 20 to get on nomination paper and you aren't allowed to nominate yourself, so he lost the support of three people, yourself, so he lost the support of three maple.— three people, which is not a good state to be _ three people, which is not a good state to be in. _ three people, which is not a good state to be in. he _ three people, which is not a good state to be in. he can't— three people, which is not a good state to be in. he can't even - three people, which is not a good l state to be in. he can't even retain the 20 _ state to be in. he can't even retain the 20 you — state to be in. he can't even retain the 20 you started with. some people tell you _ the 20 you started with. some people tell you one _ the 20 you started with. some people tell you one thing to your face and then go— tell you one thing to your face and then go in— tell you one thing to your face and then go in with the privacy of that ballot _ then go in with the privacy of that ballot box, — then go in with the privacy of that ballot box, they will take for who they actually really want. how do ou avoid they actually really want. how do you avoid that — they actually really want. how do you avoid that bitterness - you avoid that bitterness afterwards?— you avoid that bitterness afterwards? . �*, . , afterwards? that's a very good question- _ afterwards? that's a very good question- i _ afterwards? that's a very good question. i guess _ afterwards? that's a very good question. i guess you - afterwards? that's a very good question. i guess you try - afterwards? that's a very good question. i guess you try and l afterwards? that's a very good l question. i guess you try and run afterwards? that's a very good - question. i guess you try and run a straight, clean campaign. i mean, there has been chatter between the camps of lending and strenuously denied of course by the front runners. whether people will go after their constituencies in the summer and sort of relax and take of

you, i don't know. don't forget the tory party is the most successful political party in european history in terms of regeneration. it keeps on going. and they will very soon collect around the new leader, i imagine. collect around the new leader, i imarine. , . collect around the new leader, i imaiine. , ., .,, , imagine. they adapt quite quickly. as it looks now, _ imagine. they adapt quite quickly. as it looks now, who _ imagine. they adapt quite quickly. as it looks now, who do _ imagine. they adapt quite quickly. as it looks now, who do you - imagine. they adapt quite quickly. as it looks now, who do you think| imagine. they adapt quite quickly. i as it looks now, who do you think of the people to beat in this contest? the men tim today has been behind pehhy _ the men tim today has been behind pehhy she — the men tim today has been behind penny. she has done exceptionally well in _ penny. she has done exceptionally well in this— penny. she has done exceptionally well in this property around of voting — well in this property around of voting. the momentum is with her. he concedes _ voting. the momentum is with her. he concedes picking up a few votes from it nadhim _ concedes picking up a few votes from it nadhim zahawi's campaign. i would think she _ it nadhim zahawi's campaign. i would think she is _ it nadhim zahawi's campaign. i would think she is clearly coming out in front— think she is clearly coming out in front as — think she is clearly coming out in front as the _ think she is clearly coming out in front as the second candidates. but, you know. _ front as the second candidates. but, you know, obviously liz truss will have _ you know, obviously liz truss will have a _ you know, obviously liz truss will have a lot — you know, obviously liz truss will have a lot of _ you know, obviously liz truss will have a lot of backers. —— trussl. everybody — have a lot of backers. —— trussl. everybody wants to back a winner. —— liz everybody wants to back a winner. —— liz truss _ everybody wants to back a winner. —— liz truss no — everybody wants to back a winner. -- liz truss. ., , . ., , ., liz truss. no predictions at the sta . e liz truss. no predictions at the stage about — liz truss. no predictions at the stage about how— liz truss. no predictions at the stage about how this _ liz truss. no predictions at the stage about how this is - liz truss. no predictions at the stage about how this is going? | stage about how this is going? except possibly they could finish

earlier than people expect. you would be a _ earlier than people expect. you would be a fool— earlier than people expect. you would be a fool to _ earlier than people expect. ym. would be a fool to predict. however... i think it's probably looking like rishi sunak versus liz truss or penny. that is my prediction. i truss or penny. that is my prediction-— truss or penny. that is my prediction. truss or penny. that is my rediction. ., �* , , prediction. i wouldn't bet my house on it. well. — prediction. i wouldn't bet my house on it. well, thank _ prediction. i wouldn't bet my house on it. well, thank you _ prediction. i wouldn't bet my house on it. well, thank you both - prediction. i wouldn't bet my house on it. well, thank you both are - prediction. i wouldn't bet my house i on it. well, thank you both are very wise not on it. well, thank you both are very wise rrot to — on it. well, thank you both are very wise rrot to do _ on it. well, thank you both are very wise not to do that. _ on it. well, thank you both are very wise not to do that. certainly - on it. well, thank you both are very wise not to do that. certainly not i wise not to do that. certainly not on the basis that there are still plenty of surprises to come. one quick thought, actually, katie was talking there about how the conservatives are the most successful vote winning machine in european, modern european politics. it's worth remembering the 20th century every conservative leader elected by the two became prime minister. whether it will be the same in the 21st century, of course, nobody can predict at this stage. but it makes you realise why getting this job for many of them is regarded as so important because the prospect of becoming leader and prime minister even when you are not in government are pretty high. but

we are going to get something coming up we are going to get something coming up from nadhim zahawil, i think, we are seeing something on the screen now. —— hertoo. i can't are seeing something on the screen now. —— her too. i can't actually read it because it is too small, but a colleague of mine is going to bring me average version of that so i can read it as we speak. you might be ahead of me reading it on the screen at the moment. here we are. let's see what it has to say. he says i love my country and i love my party. i'm a proud brit and a proud conservative. with the moment. here we are. let's see what it has to say. he says i love my country and i love my party. i'm a proud brit and a proud conservative. what he meant l to —— humility and leader of the conservatives because a passion vision for the united kingdom that i want to see. scales, productivity are the key to achieving success, and where there is opportunity for all. he goes on to say he is very grateful for the all. he goes on to say he is very gratefulfor the support all. he goes on to say he is very grateful for the support of calyx in this leadership election —— support of colleagues. in two conservatives have been on the country who have got behind being and send best wishes. give them a part of the

contest is ended, my priority is the work as chancellor of the exchequer and devote my time and efforts to tackling the global inflation crisis. i don't intend to make any further intervention but i wish all the candidates in the leadership contest the very best of luck. no indication they are of whether any of the tax cuts he was proposing as a conservative leadership candidates will now be offered as the chancellor of the exchequer. assuming, of course, he is still chancellor of the exchequer when whichever of his colleagues are left becomes the next prime minister and forms their own cabinet. now back to you in the studio. i cannot let you go without asking you about the two party leaders who didn't become prime minister. i think i know who they are, but who are they? you are testina they are, but who are they? you are testing my memory _ they are, but who are they? you are testing my memory can _ they are, but who are they? you are testing my memory can i _ they are, but who are they? you are testing my memory can i think- they are, but who are they? you are testing my memory can i think it - they are, but who are they? you are testing my memory can i think it is i testing my memory can i think it is austin chamberlayne and william hague. anyone who thinks that is wrong and obviously get in touch with us on twitter or e—mail and put me right. with us on twitter or e-mail and put me riuht. �* with us on twitter or e-mail and put

me riuht.�* , ,, with us on twitter or e-mail and put me right-— psych i me right. and duncan smith psych iain duncan _ me right. and duncan smith psych iain duncan smith? _ me right. and duncan smith psych iain duncan smith? that _ me right. and duncan smith psych iain duncan smith? that was - me right. and duncan smith psych iain duncan smith? that was afteri iain duncan smith? that was after the turn—of—the—century, wasn't to? maybe i am wrong. filth. the turn-of-the-century, wasn't to? maybe i am wrong-— the turn-of-the-century, wasn't to? maybe i am wrong. oh, you're talking about the last — maybe i am wrong. oh, you're talking about the last century. _ maybe i am wrong. oh, you're talking about the last century. you've - maybe i am wrong. oh, you're talking about the last century. you've got - about the last century. you've got me there. right. full marks, sean leigh, thank you very much indeed. 0k, leigh, thank you very much indeed. ok, the dj tim westwood is facing allegations from a woman who said they had sex several times starting when she was 14. she says that mr westwood when it his 30s at the time and describes him as a predator. the woman is one of several to come forward after an investigation by bbc news and the guardian with claims of misconduct and abuse dating from 1990—2020. mr westwood did not respond to a request for comment. this correspondent from our correspondent contains disturbing accounts of sexual assault. the arches was a club in vauxhall. tim westwood would be there,

holding his club night, so it was really popular. he had a show on capital which was a big deal. that's happening saturday night between eight and ten with tim westwood... we're calling this woman esther. she says she was 14 when she met tim westwood. he was in his early 30s. then he got into ages. he was like, "how old are you then?" i said, "i'm 14." and he didn't look shocked oranything, it was, "0h, 0k." i said, "can i get in next week?" "sure you can." i think we exchanged numbers and then i'd say it was a couple of months after that, he asked to meet up with me at hammersmith station and he'd pick me up from there. on the way he was saying, "0h, we're going to my house." i'm like, "oh, ok, i don't have a problem with that." we had sex. i never gave consent,

but i never said no either. now, as an adult, how do you feel looking back on that period in your life? looking back, i feel disgusted, angry, upset, dirty. i'm outlawed from most of the clubs in the west end because i play rap. from pirate radio dj to bbc radio 1 star... welcome to the radio 1 rap show. this is how radio 1 get down. ..with a well—known presence in clubs up and down the country and abroad, tim westwood has been a prominent figure in the music industry for more than 40 years. i'm a big dog! as part of our investigation, we spoke to ten different women making allegations ranging from sexual assault and predatory behaviour to sexual activity with a 14—year—old between 1990 and 2020. back in april, as part of a joint investigation with the guardian, the bbc broadcast the stories of several women alleging unexpected and unwanted sexual touching

and sexual misconduct against tim westwood. tim westwood strenuously denied all of those allegations, but he hasn't responded to any of these new ones. we asked global, who own capital radio, if they'd had any complaints about the dj during his employment with them, but a spokesperson said they'd let us know if they had any comment. last week, the bbc revealed it had six complaints, one of which was serious enough to refer to the police — despite the director—general, tim davie, previously saying they'd found no complaint. yesterday, he said the bbc were still investigating and would be publishing its findings in two weeks. he added... we have no objective apart from to ensure everything is flushed at one point in his career, tim westwood was being hailed

as the most influential figure in hip—hop across europe. but the question still remains how someone with so much power in the music industry was not stopped. chi chi izundu, bbc news. details of organisations offering information and support for sexual abuse are available should you need them, and they are at... you can watch more on this story on the bbc iplayer in the documentary hip—hop�*s open secrets, tim westwood. now, the rmt union says that railway workers are to stage a one—day strike onjuly the on july the 22nd onjuly the 22nd as part of an ongoing dispute over pay, jobs and conditions. eddie joins eddiejoins me now. thank you for joining us. network rail says it

made a fresh offer to you that it says was worth more than 5%, but you are going ahead with the strike anyway. why is that?— are going ahead with the strike anyway. why is that? thanks for havin: us anyway. why is that? thanks for having us on- — anyway. why is that? thanks for having us on. what _ anyway. why is that? thanks for having us on. what network - anyway. why is that? thanks forj having us on. what network rail anyway. why is that? thanks for - having us on. what network rail have offered us is in the first instance, a very low pay off or on the condition that we accept one third of all maintenance fund line roles being removed from the organisation and a half of all of the planned maintenance schedule tasks also being removed. but are worried about is that of rail where we've got an industry relying on overtime and subcontractors on things that were key parts of a number of disasters that happened when we had to take the infrastructure operator back into public ownership, so what they have offered us is 0% for 2021. they've offered us 4% for this year when inflation right now it's standing at 11.7%. and they've

offered us 2% and a cash payment of 2% next year when we don't know where inflation is going to be, so what they are offering is a real terms pay cut on the condition that we accept mass redundancies and a lot of changes to our terms and conditions which would make our working members lives a lot harder. they have issued a statement saying that they are very disappointed that you didn't put this offer to your membership. why did you not do that? well, because it would've been an insult to our members. you've got to appreciate our members are very clear about what they want. we speak to them regularly. i'vejust clear about what they want. we speak to them regularly. i've just come off a meeting of over 500 representatives in network rail. i spoke to them before we went into the negotiating room and i speak to them weekly. if we would've put that off route to our members in referendum, we would've had that outside our head offices demanding to know what happened. we are in the business of trying to get our members a pay increase, not a pay

cut. we want our members to be better off coming out poor. we cannot accept the real pay times cut. that would be insane. network rail has put — cut. that would be insane. network rail has put out _ cut. that would be insane. network rail has put out a _ cut. that would be insane. network rail has put out a statement - rail has put out a statement suggesting that you have chosen to live it dashed july the 27th because it will have the biggest impact on people travelling to the west midlands to see the commonwealth games. is that trail? that midlands to see the commonwealth games. is that trail?— games. is that trail? that is nonsense- _ games. is that trail? that is nonsense. we _ games. is that trail? that is nonsense. we picked - games. is that trail? that is nonsense. we picked the i games. is that trail? that is nonsense. we picked the 27 j games. is that trail? that is - nonsense. we picked the 27 because the 27th is not the commonwealth games. it the 27th is not the commonwealth games. , , the 27th is not the commonwealth games. , ._ , ., the 27th is not the commonwealth games-_ we i games. it is the day before. we could name _ games. it is the day before. we could name strike _ games. it is the day before. we could name strike action - games. it is the day before. we could name strike action on - games. it is the day before. we - could name strike action on opening day or the opening ceremony. we deliberately decided not to do that. essentially it is rubbish. people will be able to go to the commonwealth games on the day. we are striking the day before because our grievances are not with the general public in this country it's at the industry. it's what the government. at the industry. it's what the government-— at the industry. it's what the government. at the industry. it's what the overnment. . , , , . . . , government. passengers have already endured several _ government. passengers have already endured several strikes _ government. passengers have already endured several strikes and _ government. passengers have already endured several strikes and they - government. passengers have already endured several strikes and they are l endured several strikes and they are now apparently going to have to go through another one in a couple of

weeks' time. what is the way of bringing an end to this crisis? are you talking to each other?- bringing an end to this crisis? are you talking to each other? yeah, we are talking to _ you talking to each other? yeah, we are talking to each _ you talking to each other? yeah, we are talking to each other, _ you talking to each other? yeah, we are talking to each other, of - are talking to each other, of course we are. if you meet them again soon to try to get an improved offer. the people that will find it difficult on the day of strike action, to be honest, they find it hard every day of the year. wages have been following for 30 years in this country. nurses postal workers, aviation workers, care workers, they are all suffering and nobody is getting a decent pay rise at the same time corporate profits that have been going through the roof. they are telling us to tighten our belts in research done by the united union, profits are up 72%. there is money for people at the top, and everyone else is being told they've got to tighten their belts. we are in solidarity with all of those people that are struggling to make

ends meet, and we figure it's about time everyone in this country got a pay rise. enough is enough, we cannot go on forever and ever when we are seeing money going through our industries into private profits to the people at the top and working—class people being told you've got to carry the can. our people work hard and they deserve a pay rise that reflects the cost of living, that's what we are going to achieve. anyone else wants to stand up achieve. anyone else wants to stand up and try to achieve that is a working—class person in this country, we will support them to do that to stop by to make it sound like it is not purely dispute about your own working conditions in your own industry, but something whiter. it is something whiter. but we've not made it that way. you it is something whiter. but we've not made it that way.— it is something whiter. but we've not made it that way. you 'ust have now. i've explained h not made it that way. you 'ust have now. i've explained to _ not made it that way. you 'ust have now. i've explained to you]- not made it that way. you just have now. i've explained to you why. - now. i've explained to you why. ian baile , now. i've explained to you why. ian bailey. the — now. i've explained to you why. ian bailey, the governor _ now. i've explained to you why. ian bailey, the governor of _ now. i've explained to you why. ian bailey, the governor of the - now. i've explained to you why. ian bailey, the governor of the bank i now. i've explained to you why. ian bailey, the governor of the bank ofj bailey, the governor of the bank of england off £1 million salary singly much have wage strike in this country. we've got the government imposing a 2% plus 1% for reforms pay cut or public sector workers. we've got a government to a thing we must not let wages rise at a time when inflation is going through the roof. we haven't made it a broader

feeling, this is government policy to keep wages down, keep workers poor and private companies raking in profits. we are not prepared to stand for that. anyone having it rough on a strike to commit characters, nhs workers, i hope they are listening to this, because they deserve a pay rise to. we are prepared to support them in that. we are in solidarity with everyone in this country who have had a raw deal for 30 years. it's about time things change for the better. {lilia for 30 years. it's about time things change for the better.— for 30 years. it's about time things change for the better. 0k, thank you very much. thank _ change for the better. 0k, thank you very much. thank you _ change for the better. 0k, thank you very much. thank you for _ change for the better. 0k, thank you very much. thank you for your i very much. thank you for your time. that is eddie from the rmt. listening to that interview is ten, the chief negotiator for network rail, and as you can see, hejoins me now. i hope you are able to share some of those points put forward by eddie. he is saying that this new pay offer of, you say around 5% this week, is an insult, which is why they didn't put it to their members. what is your response? it’s they didn't put it to their members. what is your response?— what is your response? it's quite staggering. _ what is your response? it's quite staggering. isn't _ what is your response? it's quite staggering, isn't it? _ what is your response? it's quite staggering, isn't it? that-

what is your response? it's quite staggering, isn't it? that we i what is your response? it's quite | staggering, isn't it? that we have been working for weeks and weeks to get to the point where we can put a pay offer on the table, which we did yesterday with 4% in this current year, 4% next year, and on top of that, staff travel, people been asking for that for a long time, but particularly they made it very clear to us that there was a concern around job security. that's part of the offer we made yesterday. we guarantee there would be no composite redundancies in order to allow us, while making the changes that we do to make the rally more efficient. so it's quite remarkable thatjust efficient. so it's quite remarkable that just 24 hours efficient. so it's quite remarkable thatjust 24 hours after that offer was put on the table without any further conversation, it's been rejected out of hand and my strike action has been called. i think it's far too much to lose, frankly, with the travelling public, our passengers and with our employees, because this point about not even giving them an opportunity to vote on a deal that's now been put

forward i think for a member of that organisation, have to say, it's a real surprise. organisation, have to say, it's a realsurprise. i organisation, have to say, it's a real surprise. i know many of our people do want this offer. and i think the best way to resolve this is to allow them to choose. i5 think the best way to resolve this is to allow them to choose. is it the case that — is to allow them to choose. is it the case that the _ is to allow them to choose. is it the case that the level - is to allow them to choose. is it the case that the level of changes that you want to make to work in practices leaves them sceptical about your premises about compulsory redundancies? that they thank you don't thank you can make that scale of changes without their necessarily being compulsory redundancies. find being compulsory redundancies. and that is wh being compulsory redundancies. jifuc that is why we were being compulsory redundancies. jific that is why we were so being compulsory redundancies. a"ic that is why we were so keen being compulsory redundancies. aic that is why we were so keen and being compulsory redundancies. a"ic that is why we were so keen and have been working with the union to make that offer, which we gave them in writing yesterday, no compulsory redundancies for anyone associated with the change programme we are talking about here. it couldn't be more crystal—clear. it's absolutely guaranteed. we've had those type of offers in the past and always, always maintain that. some of the points that eddie made about comparing this to the year of rail

track when work was outsourced, that's absolutely not what is going on here. i'm afraid that's a language training to aim at an emotional response and not looking at the facts. the facts are that the vast majority of our work is done by our employees and we want that to continue. this is about making our employees more and —— efficient so that we can continue to improve the railway and save money and afford to pay rise at the same time. there's no way that i or any of my colleagues can do to jeopardise safety. it is that sort of thing being thrown around. that's not at all what we are here to do. i will make the _ all what we are here to do. i will make the same _ all what we are here to do. i will make the same point _ all what we are here to do. i will make the same point to - all what we are here to do. i will make the same point to you i all what we are here to do. i will make the same point to you as i need to eddie, that passengers are now going to have to come if that's because i had come day of strike action. the two sides, you two sides appear to be as much as loggerheads as you wear a few weeks ago. when will this and?—

will this and? yesterday it would ut an will this and? yesterday it would put an offer _ will this and? yesterday it would put an offer on _ will this and? yesterday it would put an offer on the _ will this and? yesterday it would put an offer on the table - will this and? yesterday it would put an offer on the table that i i put an offer on the table that i hoped was going to be a way out of this. we apologise to passengers for the inconvenience but we will not give up. there is a two week period before those strakes take place. we will do whatever we can to find a way through avoiding that industrial action. it is unnecessary and it's a tragedy if it goes ahead. my concern based on what you just heard from eddie is there is a wider game going on here and it's really about the railway, isn't really about the offer we made? or is some bigger picture here about some sort of movement that is under way? that's why i think it's unfair and passengers and staff. that is a different discussion. fik. passengers and staff. that is a different discussion.— passengers and staff. that is a different discussion. ok. we have not to different discussion. ok. we have got to leave _ different discussion. ok. we have got to leave it _ different discussion. ok. we have got to leave it there. _ different discussion. ok. we have got to leave it there. thank i different discussion. ok. we have got to leave it there. thank you . got to leave it there. thank you very much forjoining us. 0k, got to leave it there. thank you very much forjoining us. ok, let's go back to nick, who is in houses of parliament following that first boat and the conservative leadership contest. nick? iii.

and the conservative leadership contest. nick?— and the conservative leadership contest. nick? hi. six candidates left in that— contest. nick? hi. six candidates left in that race. _ contest. nick? hi. six candidates left in that race. rishi _ contest. nick? hi. six candidates left in that race. rishi sunak- contest. nick? hi. six candidates left in that race. rishi sunak was| left in that race. rishi sunak was out in front followed by penny and liz truss. by the other three candidates left, the question is not whether they can pick up the momentum or if they are going to stay in the race after the next couple of votes, which will take place tomorrow and monday. thank you so much for coming to talk to us. i know it's busy here, everyone is off voting. there is a lot going on. 32 votes, but rather men scraped there. but she stay in the race? tiara votes, but rather men scraped there. but she stay in the race?— but she stay in the race? two much more well-known _ but she stay in the race? two much more well-known candidates, i but she stay in the race? two much more well-known candidates, so i more well— known candidates, so scoring _ more well— known candidates, so scoring fewer votes they both dropped _ scoring fewer votes they both dropped out now. it got a little work _ dropped out now. it got a little work to — dropped out now. it got a little work to do. attorney general is a really. _ work to do. attorney general is a really, really importantjob, but not a _ really, really importantjob, but not a particularly well— known one, not a particularly well— known one, not a _ not a particularly well— known one, not a particularly well— known one, not a particularly seen one. even a hi-h not a particularly seen one. even a high space — not a particularly seen one. even a high space candidate only got 25% of the parliamentary party voting, it

is all— the parliamentary party voting, it is all to— the parliamentary party voting, it is all to pay for. this is where she comes— is all to pay for. this is where she comes into — is all to pay for. this is where she comes into her own, she speaks with passion. _ comes into her own, she speaks with passion, authority, professionalism and she _ passion, authority, professionalism and she gives detail about what she's— and she gives detail about what she's going to do. the hope for tonight— she's going to do. the hope for tonight is— she's going to do. the hope for tonight is that she really wins votes — tonight is that she really wins votes to— tonight is that she really wins votes to the power of her speech and it is all— votes to the power of her speech and it is all to _ votes to the power of her speech and it is all to play for. what interests _ it is all to play for. what interests me _ it is all to play for. what interests me about i it is all to play for. what interests me about this| it is all to play for. what i interests me about this race, it is all to play for. what - interests me about this race, she was talking about being a brexit year and trying to get that brexit supporting votes, but the brexit supporting votes, but the brexit supporting boat is completely split, isn't it? a lot of it is going to liz truss. some of it is going to penny martin. some of it is going to rishi sunak. has that ship not sailed? i rishi sunak. has that ship not sailed? ., �* ~' 3 sailed? i don't think it's the definina sailed? i don't think it's the defining issue, _ sailed? i don't think it's the defining issue, but - sailed? i don't think it's the defining issue, but it i sailed? i don't think it's the defining issue, but it is i sailed? i don't think it's the defining issue, but it is stillj sailed? i don't think it's the i defining issue, but it is still an issue — defining issue, but it is still an issue. ,, , ., ,, defining issue, but it is still an issue. ,, , .«r _ issue. she is walking past, by the wa .the issue. she is walking past, by the way. the reason _ issue. she is walking past, by the way. the reason for— issue. she is walking past, by the way. the reason for that - issue. she is walking past, by the way. the reason for that as it i issue. she is walking past, by the way. the reason for that as it is l way. the reason for that as it is not finished. _ way. the reason for that as it is not finished. i _ way. the reason for that as it is not finished. i think _ way. the reason for that as it is not finished. i think it's - way. the reason for that as it is not finished. i think it's easy i way. the reason for that as it is | not finished. i think it's easy for people — not finished. i think it's easy for people to — not finished. i think it's easy for people to think, we have left the europeah — people to think, we have left the european union, we've got the deal, but actually — european union, we've got the deal, but actually it the whole situation is surrounding the northern ireland protocol— is surrounding the northern ireland protocol means that we cannot fully take advantage of the freedoms and prosperity— take advantage of the freedoms and prosperity that brexit was for. so

as much— prosperity that brexit was for. so as much as — prosperity that brexit was for. so as much as it's complicated and we don't _ as much as it's complicated and we don't want — as much as it's complicated and we don't want to talk about it, it has to be _ don't want to talk about it, it has to be done — don't want to talk about it, it has to be done. and that's why i think she is— to be done. and that's why i think she is well—placed to do it that, she has— she is well—placed to do it that, she has the legal mind to sort out what _ she has the legal mind to sort out what our— she has the legal mind to sort out what our very sticky issues. i think it's important she has the opportunity not to say how she will solve _ opportunity not to say how she will solve these problems, not to make brexit _ solve these problems, not to make brexit the — solve these problems, not to make brexit the biggest issue, but we have _ brexit the biggest issue, but we have got— brexit the biggest issue, but we have got to get over this hurdle if we are _ have got to get over this hurdle if we are going to make use of it. let me we are going to make use of it. me ask about we are going to make use of it. let me ask about rishi sunak, the front runner. do you think he has gone soft on brexit? i runner. do you think he has gone soft on brexit?— runner. do you think he has gone soft on brexit? i will not speak ill of an of soft on brexit? i will not speak ill of any of my _ soft on brexit? i will not speak ill of any of my colleagues. - soft on brexit? i will not speak ill of any of my colleagues. i i of any of my colleagues. i think they— of any of my colleagues. i think they have — of any of my colleagues. i think they have a great field out there. one of— they have a great field out there. one of them will become prime minister~ — one of them will become prime minister~ i_ one of them will become prime minister. i think out of all the candidates, so ella is the one who has the _ candidates, so ella is the one who has the determination, the bravery to do— has the determination, the bravery to do what— has the determination, the bravery to do what we have to do next. this is going _ to do what we have to do next. this is going to — to do what we have to do next. this is going to be tricky in the lords. it will— is going to be tricky in the lords. it will take — is going to be tricky in the lords. it will take some determination in the legal— it will take some determination in the legal skill to get it through. one thing that has struck me about this campaign we have talked a lot about over the past couple of days on the bbc is tax and there is a lot of spending commitments that there are a lot of tax cuts being pledged.

do you know in your heart how your candidate is going to compensate for that with cuts? fine candidate is going to compensate for that with cuts?— that with cuts? one thing she has been very upfront _ that with cuts? one thing she has been very upfront about - that with cuts? one thing she has been very upfront about what i that with cuts? one thing she has been very upfront about what she j been very upfront about what she would _ been very upfront about what she would do — been very upfront about what she would do straightaway which is a cut on vat— would do straightaway which is a cut on vat and — would do straightaway which is a cut on vat and fuel duty, it will not make _ on vat and fuel duty, it will not make an — on vat and fuel duty, it will not make an immediate —— it will make an immediate— make an immediate —— it will make an immediate difference for people. but she has— immediate difference for people. but she has been very clear that if we are going — she has been very clear that if we are going to reduce tax overall, she welt _ are going to reduce tax overall, she welt we _ are going to reduce tax overall, she well. we also have to reduce demand on the _ well. we also have to reduce demand on the state. we can't say we will cut taxes — on the state. we can't say we will cut taxes and cut state budgets. he got to _ cut taxes and cut state budgets. he got to do— cut taxes and cut state budgets. he got to do that strategically. the way people do that is by strengthening families, strengthening families, strengthening communities, giving people _ strengthening communities, giving people resilience that they rely on themselves and each other and not themselves and each other and not the state — themselves and each other and not the state. she's also talked about household taxation, and i think he buys _ household taxation, and i think he buys individuals but as families and households. that's another way of cutting _ households. that's another way of cutting taxes for families. that ballot means _ cutting taxes for families. that ballot means that _ cutting taxes for families. that ballot means that you - cutting taxes for families. “t"isgit ballot means that you need to go and vote. thanks so much for your time. it is warm in here, absolutely sweltering around westminster. the political temperature is heating up,

let's find out a bit more about the weather with helen. nick, thank you very much. it is getting hotter weather—wise as well. it hasn't been quite so hot today. we have had 30 degrees again in the south of england, but actually, it is going to get hotter still sunday, monday, tuesday. but for the next couple of days, not quite as stifling as it has been. we are losing the humidity in the south as we got there this evening and overnight. to a more comfortable night for sleeping, so possibly if it is safe to do so at night to open the windows and let all that residual heat flow out. for tomorrow, a bright and fresh start. more showers to come across scotland, northern ireland in northern england. very isolated any that travel further southwards. most sea temperatures a degree or so down on today, but we can still get 27 or 28 in the southeast. that's a local heatwave

condition. a bit more rain in the north, and saturday that clears away. but thereafter, sunday, we import some exceptionally high temperatures, and it is going to be temperatures, and it is going to be really hot by day and by night, really hot by of extreme hence the amber warning of extreme heat from the met office for many temperatures, and it is going to be reall from by of extreme temperatures, and it is going to be reall from the of extreme temperatures, and it is going to be reall from the met of extreme temperatures, and it is going to be parts of england, parts of wales as well. and that means for the wider reall from the met forextreme temperatures, and it is going to be reall from the met for forextreme temperatures, and it is going to be population, there could well be some reall from the met for the wider ie adverse health and travel impacts. and travel impacts. you can stay up—to—date online. today at 6pm... former chancellor rishi sunak leads the race to be the next conservative leads the race to conservative

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