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the studio. one of the other| the studio. one of the other thins the studio. one of the other things we — the studio. one of the other things we have _ the studio. one of the other things we have been - the studio. one of the other things we have been doing l the studio. one of the other. things we have been doing on newscast is for the tory leadership contest, getting big bbc brands and smashing them into the tory leadership contest, so today please listen to john contest, so today please listen tojohn briggs you may recognise as the voice of the weakest link.— recognise as the voice of the weakest link. after the second round of voting, _ weakest link. after the second round of voting, rishi - weakest link. after the second round of voting, rishi sunak . round of voting, rishi sunak has banked the most. as the former chancellor he would, wouldn't he? he has 101 votes, making him the strongest link. according to the bookies, penny mordaunt is the favourite to win, despite trailing on 83 votes. her initials are already pm but will the conservative party agree? liz truss looked a little lost at her launch this morning but she is ploughing forwards with 64 votes. as part of her bed, kemi badenoch has taken aim at the online safety bill, but is she playing a dangerous game with just 49 mp5 behind her? the statistics revealed tom tugendhat scraped

through with 32 votes. this is game almost over? attorney—general suella braverman may feel she didn't get a fair hearing from her colleagues, who gave herjust 27 votes, making her the weakest link.— 27 votes, making her the weakest link. ,, . �* . . weakest link. suella braverman, ou are weakest link. suella braverman, you are the _ weakest link. suella braverman, you are the weakest _ weakest link. suella braverman, you are the weakest link, - you are the weakest link, goodbye. it's in quite high saying that! chris, liz truss launched a campaign today, what's it like? it launched a campaign today, what's it like?— what's it like? it was the final of the _ what's it like? it was the final of the big _ what's it like? it was the final of the big launches| what's it like? it was the - final of the big launches after rishi — final of the big launches after rishi sunak a couple of days ago. — rishi sunak a couple of days ago, penny mordaunt yesterday. i ago, penny mordaunt yesterday. i don't _ ago, penny mordaunt yesterday. i don't know if it is because idon't know if it is because they— i don't know if it is because they have _ i don't know if it is because they have been two launches every — they have been two launches every day that week but it seemed to have a bit less zip than — seemed to have a bit less zip than the _ seemed to have a bit less zip than the other two. also because _ than the other two. also because of where she decided, or the — because of where she decided, or the timing because of where she decided, orthe timing of because of where she decided, or the timing of her launch, we could _ or the timing of her launch, we could put— or the timing of her launch, we could put to her, well, you came — could put to her, well, you came third yesterday, and of course — came third yesterday, and of course she is still third after today, — course she is still third after today, whereas the others were spared — today, whereas the others were spared that, so there was more scrutiny— spared that, so there was more scrutiny for _ spared that, so there was more scrutiny for her from the outset _ scrutiny for her from the outset. clearly the challenge she has— outset. clearly the challenge she has now, having had two rounds— she has now, having had two rounds of— she has now, having had two rounds of voting and came third on both— rounds of voting and came third on both occasions, and the gap has widened to penny mordaunt,

is can— has widened to penny mordaunt, is can she — has widened to penny mordaunt, is can she make the case that she should get the kind of second _ she should get the kind of second golden ticket, because the assumption is rishi sunak will he — the assumption is rishi sunak will be one of the two that goes — will be one of the two that goes to— will be one of the two that goes to the membership, who will he — goes to the membership, who will be the other one? their argument, team liz truss, they think. _ argument, team liz truss, they think. as — argument, team liz truss, they think. as it— argument, team liz truss, they think, as it was put to me, that— think, as it was put to me, that their— think, as it was put to me, that their natural ceiling of support— that their natural ceiling of support within the parliamentary party, they argue, _ parliamentary party, they argue, maybe they would say this, — argue, maybe they would say this, would they, is higher than — this, would they, is higher than penny mordaunt's, when you see the _ than penny mordaunt's, when you see the redistribution of all the other boats that you get to when _ the other boats that you get to when you — the other boats that you get to when you have a battle between three. _ when you have a battle between three, because that is the point _ three, because that is the point that it matters, to actually claim that second place _ actually claim that second place ticket. penny mordaunt's team _ place ticket. penny mordaunt's team making the eye, they have the proper clean start. clearly she has— the proper clean start. clearly she has a _ the proper clean start. clearly she has a story to tell about who — she has a story to tell about who on— she has a story to tell about who on earth she is because nohody— who on earth she is because nobody outside of westminster knows — nobody outside of westminster knows that, other than in portsmouth where she has a seat — portsmouth where she has a seat. �* , ., seat. and viewers of splash, that diving — seat. and viewers of splash, that diving show. _ seat. and viewers of splash, | that diving show. absolutely, but she is _ that diving show. absolutely, but she is the _ that diving show. absolutely, but she is the leaders - that diving show. absolutely, but she is the leaders of - that diving show. absolutely, but she is the leaders of the l but she is the leaders of the candidates front runners to be able _ candidates front runners to be able to — candidates front runners to be able to do that. now we have the tv— able to do that. now we have the tv debates, big moments, because — the tv debates, big moments, because you can crash and burn in tv— because you can crash and burn in tv debates and also shine.

the _ in tv debates and also shine. the next _ in tv debates and also shine. the next one coming on monday on potential tuesday and wednesday. if on potential tuesday and wednesday.— on potential tuesday and wednesda . . . wednesday. if you were watching liz truss launching _ wednesday. if you were watching liz truss launching her _ liz truss launching her campaign on thursday morning on tv, you would see the amazing sight of her knowing how to get out of the room, and then an aide had to sort ofjanko back. she had to do a bit of a u—turn, so herfirst u—turn of the campaign. it u-turn, so her first u-turn of the campaign-— the campaign. it is. iwas talkin: the campaign. it is. iwas talking to _ the campaign. it is. iwas talking to david - the campaign. it is. iwas talking to david davis - talking to david davis yesterday, former candidate for the tory— yesterday, former candidate for the tory leadership, iain duncan _ the tory leadership, iain duncan smith who became a conservative leader who both said — conservative leader who both said the _ conservative leader who both said the whole business, and as it should — said the whole business, and as it should be, but the whole business _ it should be, but the whole business of running to be party leader— business of running to be party leader and prime list is flipping scary. little things like — flipping scary. little things like that, you finish your speech, _ like that, you finish your speech, walk with purpose and direction — speech, walk with purpose and direction of stage, then oh, actually _ direction of stage, then oh, actuall . ~ , actually. where is the door? where is the _ actually. where is the door? where is the door? - actually. where is the door? where is the door? there i where is the door? there will be where is the door? there will he plenty— where is the door? there will be plenty more of those moments to come — be plenty more of those moments to come. �* , be plenty more of those moments to come. 3 . ~ be plenty more of those moments to come. �*, . ~ . ., to come. let's talk about how this is going _ to come. let's talk about how this is going with _ to come. let's talk about how this is going with our- to come. let's talk about how this is going with our guest, l this is going with our guest, matt hancock, former health secretary. matt hancock, former health secretary-— matt hancock, former health secretary.- and - matt hancock, former health secretary.- and back i matt hancock, former health j secretary.- and back of secretary. hello. and back of rishi sunak _ secretary. hello. and back of rishi sunak to _ secretary. hello. and back of rishi sunak to stop _ secretary. hello. and back of rishi sunak to stop yes. - secretary. hello. and back of| rishi sunak to stop yes. when did ou rishi sunak to stop yes. when did you take — rishi sunak to stop yes. when did you take on _ rishi sunak to stop yes. when did you take on that moniker,

when it was when he launched the sign up for his website last year? red no, after boris resigned, we needed to... it was definitely after? taste resigned, we needed to... it was definitely after? we needed to make a choice, _ was definitely after? we needed to make a choice, there - was definitely after? we needed to make a choice, there were i was definitely after? we needed to make a choice, there were 11 | to make a choice, there were 11 runners— to make a choice, there were 11 runners at— to make a choice, there were 11 runners at that _ to make a choice, there were 11 runners at that point, - to make a choice, there were 11 runners at that point, i - to make a choice, there were 11 runners at that point, i look - runners at that point, i look at them _ runners at that point, i look at them all. _ runners at that point, i look at them all, i _ runners at that point, i look at them all, i know- runners at that point, i look at them all, i know them i runners at that point, i lookj at them all, i know them all well — at them all, i know them all well i— at them all, i know them all well iwas— at them all, i know them all well. i was on— at them all, i know them all well. i was on the phone i at them all, i know them all well. i was on the phone toi well. i was on the phone to gina. — well. i was on the phone to gina. she _ well. i was on the phone to gina, she said _ well. i was on the phone to gina, she said he— well. i was on the phone to gina, she said he will- well. i was on the phone to gina, she said he will be i well. i was on the phone toi gina, she said he will be the best— gina, she said he will be the best prime _ gina, she said he will be the best prime minister, - gina, she said he will be the best prime minister, she i gina, she said he will be thel best prime minister, she said rishi — best prime minister, she said rishi sunak. _ best prime minister, she said rishi sunak, and _ best prime minister, she said rishi sunak, and i— best prime minister, she said rishi sunak, and i of- best prime minister, she said rishi sunak, and i of a - best prime minister, she said rishi sunak, and i of a better| rishi sunak, and i of a better hacking — rishi sunak, and i of a better backing them. _ rishi sunak, and i of a better backing them. i— rishi sunak, and i of a better backing them. ijust - rishi sunak, and i of a better backing them. ijust had i rishi sunak, and i of a better backing them. ijust had it. backing them. ijust had it without— backing them. ijust had it without blinking. - backing them. ijust had it without blinking. i- backing them. ijust had it without blinking. i have i backing them. ijust had it- without blinking. i have worked without blinking. i have worked with them _ without blinking. i have worked with them all, _ without blinking. i have worked with them all, i— without blinking. i have worked with them all, i think _ without blinking. i have worked with them all, i think all - without blinking. i have worked with them all, i think all five i with them all, i think all five in would _ with them all, i think all five in would make _ with them all, i think all five in would make an _ with them all, i think all five in would make an excellentl in would make an excellent prime — in would make an excellent prime minister— in would make an excellent prime minister but - in would make an excellent prime minister but i - in would make an excellent prime minister but i think. prime minister but i think rishi _ prime minister but i think rishi sunak— prime minister but i think rishi sunak is _ prime minister but i think rishi sunak is the - prime minister but i think rishi sunak is the best. prime minister but i think| rishi sunak is the best for prime minister but i think- rishi sunak is the best for the joh _ rishi sunak is the best for the joh i— rishi sunak is the best for the joh i have _ rishi sunak is the best for the job. i have worked _ rishi sunak is the best for the job. i have worked incredibly. job. i have worked incredibly closely— job. i have worked incredibly closely with _ job. i have worked incredibly closely with him, _ job. i have worked incredibly closely with him, especiallyl closely with him, especially during _ closely with him, especially during the _ closely with him, especially during the pandemic, i closely with him, especially during the pandemic, and l closely with him, especially. during the pandemic, and he closely with him, especially- during the pandemic, and he has what _ during the pandemic, and he has what it— during the pandemic, and he has what it takes _ during the pandemic, and he has what it takes.— what it takes. what do you make ofthe what it takes. what do you make of the fact _ what it takes. what do you make of the fact that _ what it takes. what do you make of the fact that the _ what it takes. what do you make of the fact that the early - of the fact that the early skirmishes of this campaign have — skirmishes of this campaign have been pretty much all the candidates gunning directly for him, _ candidates gunning directly for him. and — candidates gunning directly for him, and gunningham on tax, describing _ him, and gunningham on tax, describing him as a socialist, effectively as a labour chancellor, it is quite something? red it is a small number— something? red it is a small number of voices. i have actually— number of voices. i have actually found number of voices. i have actually foun- actually found inside the parliamentary _ actually found inside the parliamentary party i actually found inside the parliamentary party this| actually found inside the i parliamentary party this has been — parliamentary party this has been a _ parliamentary party this has been a really _ parliamentary party this has

been a really positive - been a really positive campaign _ been a really positive campaign i- been a really positive campaign. i know- been a really positivel campaign. i know that been a really positive i campaign. i know that is been a really positive - campaign. i know that is not what — campaign. i know that is not what it— campaign. i know that is not what it looks _ campaign. i know that is not what it looks like _ campaign. i know that is not what it looks like in - campaign. i know that is not what it looks like in the i what it looks like in the media, _ what it looks like in the media, i_ what it looks like in the media, i get— what it looks like in the media, i get that, i what it looks like in the media, i get that, but i what it looks like in the i media, i get that, but what happens _ media, i get that, but what happens in _ media, i get that, but what happens in the _ media, i get that, but what happens in the media i media, i get that, but what happens in the media is. media, i get that, but what happens in the media is a l happens in the media is a couple _ happens in the media is a couple of— happens in the media is a couple of negative - happens in the media is a couple of negative noisesj happens in the media is a i couple of negative noises and they— couple of negative noises and they absolutely _ couple of negative noises and they absolutely flies. - couple of negative noises and l they absolutely flies. amongst they absolutely flies. amongst the 360 — they absolutely flies. amongst the 360 of— they absolutely flies. amongst the 360 of us, _ they absolutely flies. amongst the 360 of us, everyone - they absolutely flies. amongst the 360 of us, everyone has. the 360 of us, everyone has been — the 360 of us, everyone has been really— the 360 of us, everyone has been really nice _ the 360 of us, everyone has been really nice to - the 360 of us, everyone has been really nice to each i the 360 of us, everyone has. been really nice to each other, not least — been really nice to each other, not least because _ been really nice to each other, not least because if— been really nice to each other, i not least because if somebody's candidate — not least because if somebody's candidate drops _ not least because if somebody's candidate drops out... - not least because if somebody's candidate drops out... so - not least because if somebody's candidate drops out... so it- candidate drops out... so it has — candidate drops out... so it has been _ candidate drops out... so it has been really, _ candidate drops out... so it has been really, really- has been really, really cheerful— has been really, really cheerful and _ has been really, really cheerful and pleasantl has been really, really. cheerful and pleasant we has been really, really- cheerful and pleasant we can say the — cheerful and pleasant we can say the parliamentary - cheerful and pleasant we can say the parliamentary party, | say the parliamentary party, and then— say the parliamentary party, and then you _ say the parliamentary party, and then you walk— say the parliamentary party, and then you walk out - say the parliamentary party, and then you walk out of- say the parliamentary party, and then you walk out of the tea room. _ and then you walk out of the tea room. or— and then you walk out of the tea room, or you _ and then you walk out of the tea room, or you go- and then you walk out of the tea room, or you go to i and then you walk out of the tea room, or you go to the l tea room, or you go to the newspaper— tea room, or you go to the newspaper stand - tea room, or you go to the newspaper stand and i tea room, or you go to the newspaper stand and it i tea room, or you go to the i newspaper stand and it looks completely— newspaper stand and it looks completely different. - newspaper stand and it looks completely different. [- newspaper stand and it looks completely different. i thought there were _ completely different. i thought there were smears _ completely different. i thought there were smears going i there were smears going backwards and forwards on what's up?— what's up? i have literally seen absolutely _ what's up? i have literally seen absolutely no - what's up? i have literally seen absolutely no fat, i what's up? i have literally i seen absolutely no fat, none at all. a, , �* seen absolutely no fat, none at all. ., , �* ., ., ., all. you must've had what lord frost said _ all. you must've had what lord frost said about _ all. you must've had what lord frost said about any _ all. you must've had what lord| frost said about any mordaunt? red of course, i read the media, i saw what lord frost said but i'm saying is within the body at said but i'm saying is within the bod y ., said but i'm saying is within the bod ., ~' ~' the body of the kirk, within the body of the kirk, within the 360 of _ the body of the kirk, within the 360 of us _ the body of the kirk, within the 360 of us who - the body of the kirk, within the 360 of us who make i the body of the kirk, within | the 360 of us who make the decision_ the 360 of us who make the decision on_ the 360 of us who make the decision on the _ the 360 of us who make the decision on the final - the 360 of us who make the decision on the final two. i decision on the final two. rishi _ decision on the final two. rishi sunak— decision on the final two. rishi sunak is _ decision on the final two. rishi sunak is making - decision on the final two. rishi sunak is making a l decision on the final two. l rishi sunak is making a big thing about how he has a plan to get the country through the

next difficult few months, potentially years with high inflation of the cost of living. what actually is that plan? living. what actually is that -lan? living. what actually is that . ian? , ., living. what actually is that ian? , ., , ., , living. what actually is that ian? , . , . plan? the plan is really clever sto the plan? the plan is really clever step the first _ plan? the plan is really clever stop the first thing _ plan? the plan is really clever stop the first thing is - plan? the plan is really clever stop the first thing is we - plan? the plan is really clever stop the first thing is we have | stop the first thing is we have to get— stop the first thing is we have to get inflation _ stop the first thing is we have to get inflation down. - stop the first thing is we have to get inflation down.- stop the first thing is we have to get inflation down. how? red the number _ to get inflation down. how? red the number one _ to get inflation down. how? red the number one thing _ to get inflation down. how? red the number one thing is - to get inflation down. how? red the number one thing is don't i the number one thing is don't make it the number one thing is don't make |- ., , the number one thing is don't makei- ,, the number one thing is don't makei. ,, make it worse, because if you loosen fiscal _ make it worse, because if you loosen fiscal policy _ make it worse, because if you loosen fiscal policy at - make it worse, because if you loosen fiscal policy at a - make it worse, because if you loosen fiscal policy at a time i loosen fiscal policy at a time of high — loosen fiscal policy at a time of high inflation, _ loosen fiscal policy at a time of high inflation, but - loosen fiscal policy at a time of high inflation, but risks. of high inflation, but risks making _ of high inflation, but risks making it _ of high inflation, but risks making it worse. - of high inflation, but risks making it worse.- of high inflation, but risks making it worse. tax cuts, you mean? red — making it worse. tax cuts, you mean? red with _ making it worse. tax cuts, you mean? red with the _ making it worse. tax cuts, you mean? red with the tax - making it worse. tax cuts, you mean? red with the tax cuts l mean? red with the tax cuts or spending — mean? red with the tax cuts or spending increases, obviously the big — spending increases, obviously the big debate is spending increases, obviously the big debat— the big debate is on tax cuts. you have _ the big debate is on tax cuts. you have to _ the big debate is on tax cuts. you have to not _ the big debate is on tax cuts. you have to not make - the big debate is on tax cuts. you have to not make it - the big debate is on tax cuts. l you have to not make it worse. you _ you have to not make it worse. you have — you have to not make it worse. you have to _ you have to not make it worse. you have to get _ you have to not make it worse. you have to get inflation - you have to get inflation down. how? _ you have to get inflation down. how? . . you have to get inflation down. how? , , ., ., .~ how? the first is not to make it worse. _ how? the first is not to make it worse. the _ how? the first is not to make it worse, the second - how? the first is not to make it worse, the second is - how? the first is not to make| it worse, the second is energy price — it worse, the second is energy price rises _ it worse, the second is energy price rises we _ it worse, the second is energy price rises. we have _ it worse, the second is energy price rises. we have seen- it worse, the second is energy price rises. we have seen the| price rises. we have seen the oil price — price rises. we have seen the oil price come _ price rises. we have seen the oil price come down- price rises. we have seen the oil price come down off- price rises. we have seen the oil price come down off its i oil price come down off its highs, _ oil price come down off its highs, and _ oil price come down off its highs, and that _ oil price come down off its highs, and that hasn't - oil price come down off its highs, and that hasn't yetl oil price come down off its - highs, and that hasn't yet come through— highs, and that hasn't yet come through at— highs, and that hasn't yet come through at petrol— highs, and that hasn't yet come through at petrol prices, - highs, and that hasn't yet come through at petrol prices, but . highs, and that hasn't yet come through at petrol prices, but i l through at petrol prices, but i hope — through at petrol prices, but i hope that_ through at petrol prices, but i hope that it _ through at petrol prices, but i hope that it will. _ through at petrol prices, but i hope that it will. but- through at petrol prices, but i hope that it will.— hope that it will. but how can he aet hope that it will. but how can he get energy _ hope that it will. but how can he get energy prices - hope that it will. but how can he get energy prices down? | hope that it will. but how can he get energy prices down? i | he get energy prices down? i mean, he can't.— he get energy prices down? i mean, he can't. no, i am saying that is happening, _ mean, he can't. no, i am saying that is happening, and _ mean, he can't. no, i am saying that is happening, and the - that is happening, and the second _ that is happening, and the second thing _ that is happening, and the second thing to _ that is happening, and the second thing to stop - that is happening, and the i second thing to stop inflation is making _

second thing to stop inflation is making sure _ second thing to stop inflation is making sure that, - second thing to stop inflation is making sure that, through| is making sure that, through monetary— is making sure that, through monetary policy, _ is making sure that, through monetary policy, which i monetary policy, which obviously _ monetary policy, which obviously isn't - monetary policy, which obviously isn't the i monetary policy, which i obviously isn't the preserve monetary policy, which - obviously isn't the preserve of the next — obviously isn't the preserve of the next prime _ obviously isn't the preserve of the next prime minister, i the next prime minister, because _ the next prime minister, because they— the next prime minister, because they all- the next prime minister, because they all believe | the next prime minister, i because they all believe in independence _ because they all believe in independence of— because they all believe in independence of the - because they all believe in independence of the bankl because they all believe in l independence of the bank of england. _ independence of the bank of england. or— independence of the bank of england, orat— independence of the bank of england, or at least - independence of the bank of england, or at least i - independence of the bank of england, or at least i hope, i england, orat least i hope, i haven't— england, orat least i hope, i haven't even _ england, orat least i hope, i haven't even asked, - england, orat least i hope, i haven't even asked, it - england, orat least i hope, i haven't even asked, it is- haven't even asked, it is self—evident _ haven't even asked, it is self—evident that- haven't even asked, it is self—evident that they i haven't even asked, it is- self—evident that they should, is making _ self—evident that they should, is making sure _ self—evident that they should, is making sure that— self—evident that they should, is making sure that monetaryl is making sure that monetary policy — is making sure that monetary policy does _ is making sure that monetary policy does its _ is making sure that monetary policy does its work, - is making sure that monetary policy does its work, and i is making sure that monetary�* policy does its work, and that is not — policy does its work, and that is not easy _ policy does its work, and that is not easy. because - policy does its work, and that is not easy. because interest| is not easy. because interest rates — is not easy. because interest rates. , ,, .~ is not easy. because interest rates. , ,, rates. so rishi sunak can't get inflation down? _ rates. so rishi sunak can't get inflation down? yes, - rates. so rishi sunak can't get inflation down? yes, he i rates. so rishi sunak can't get inflation down? yes, he can. l inflation down? yes, he can. but ou inflation down? yes, he can. but you haven't _ inflation down? yes, he can. but you haven't explained i inflation down? yes, he can. i but you haven't explained how? red i have, i have explained energy prices have already come off energy prices have already come 0 , energy prices have already come 0 �* , . energy prices have already come off their picks, it should ensure that _ off their picks, it should ensure that the - off their picks, it should ensure that the come i off their picks, it should | ensure that the come off off their picks, it should i ensure that the come off their peak — ensure that the come off their peak at — ensure that the come off their peak. at the _ ensure that the come off their peak. at the critical— ensure that the come off their peak. at the critical thing i ensure that the come off their peak. at the critical thing is i peak. at the critical thing is a one-off— peak. at the critical thing is a one—off increase - peak. at the critical thing is a one—off increase in - peak. at the critical thing is a one—off increase in prices| a one—off increase in prices leads— a one—off increase in prices leads to _ a one—off increase in prices leads to inflation _ a one—off increase in prices leads to inflation for - a one—off increase in prices leads to inflation for a i a one—off increase in prices| leads to inflation for a year. what — leads to inflation for a year. what we _ leads to inflation for a year. what we must _ leads to inflation for a year. what we must avoid - leads to inflation for a year. what we must avoid is i leads to inflation for a year. what we must avoid is thati what we must avoid is that getting _ what we must avoid is that getting embedded, - what we must avoid is that getting embedded, and i what we must avoid is thati getting embedded, and that comes— getting embedded, and that comes down_ getting embedded, and that comes down to _ getting embedded, and that comes down to what - getting embedded, and that comes down to what is - getting embedded, and that comes down to what is the i comes down to what is the response _ comes down to what is the response of— comes down to what is the response of wages? - comes down to what is the response of wages? we i comes down to what is the . response of wages? we have comes down to what is the - response of wages? we have a whole — response of wages? we have a whole series— response of wages? we have a whole series of— response of wages? we have a whole series of debates - response of wages? we have a whole series of debates aboutl whole series of debates about public — whole series of debates about public sector— whole series of debates about public sector pay. _ whole series of debates about public sector pay. making - whole series of debates about| public sector pay. making sure we don't — public sector pay. making sure we don't end _ public sector pay. making sure we don't end up— public sector pay. making sure we don't end up in— public sector pay. making sure we don't end up in a _ public sector pay. making sure we don't end up in a cycle - we don't end up in a cycle where _ we don't end up in a cycle where you _ we don't end up in a cycle where you end _ we don't end up in a cycle where you end up - we don't end up in a cycle where you end up putting| we don't end up in a cycle - where you end up putting up, wages — where you end up putting up, wages go _ where you end up putting up, wages go up _ where you end up putting up, wages go upend— where you end up putting up, wages go up and then- where you end up putting up, wages go up and then you - where you end up putting up, i wages go up and then you have higher— wages go up and then you have higher prices _ wages go up and then you have higher prices. that _ wages go up and then you have higher prices. that is— wages go up and then you have higher prices. that is what - higher prices. that is what

happened. _ higher prices. that is what happened. 30, _ higher prices. that is what happened, 30, 40- higher prices. that is what happened, 30, 40 years l higher prices. that is what i happened, 30, 40 years ago. there — happened, 30, 40 years ago. there is— happened, 30, 40 years ago. there is no— happened, 30, 40 years ago. there is no policymakers- happened, 30, 40 years ago. there is no policymakers now who _ there is no policymakers now who were _ there is no policymakers now who were there _ there is no policymakers now who were there at _ there is no policymakers now who were there at the - there is no policymakers now who were there at the time, i there is no policymakers now. who were there at the time, but what _ who were there at the time, but what we — who were there at the time, but what we must _ who were there at the time, but what we must do _ who were there at the time, but what we must do is _ who were there at the time, but what we must do is learn - who were there at the time, but what we must do is learn from i what we must do is learn from our history _ what we must do is learn from our history. did _ what we must do is learn from our history-— our history. did you get a call last week _ our history. did you get a call last week by _ our history. did you get a call last week by the _ our history. did you get a call last week by the way - our history. did you get a call last week by the way from . our history. did you get a call i last week by the way from boris johnson asking you to come back? i johnson asking you to come back? �* johnson asking you to come back?- and - johnson asking you to come back?- and have - johnson asking you to come | back?- and have you back? i didn't. and have you discussed — back? i didn't. and have you discussed with _ back? i didn't. and have you discussed with rishi - back? i didn't. and have you discussed with rishi sunak. back? i didn't. and have you - discussed with rishi sunak when he decided to resign? i discussed with rishi sunak when he decided to resign?— he decided to resign? i haven't talked about _ he decided to resign? i haven't talked about that. _ he decided to resign? i haven't talked about that. i _ he decided to resign? i haven't talked about that. i haven't - talked about that. i haven't talked _ talked about that. i haven't talked to _ talked about that. i haven't talked to him _ talked about that. i haven't talked to him about - talked about that. i haven't talked to him about jobs i talked to him aboutjobs either _ talked to him aboutjobs either it— talked to him aboutjobs either. it might - talked to him aboutjobs either. it might sound i either. it might sound really boring. i_ either. it might sound really boring. trust— either. it might sound really boring, ijust thought - either. it might sound really boring, ijust thought he - either. it might sound really| boring, ijust thought he was going — boring, ijust thought he was going to _ boring, ijust thought he was going to be _ boring, ijust thought he was going to be the _ boring, ijust thought he was going to be the best- boring, ijust thought he was going to be the best prime . going to be the best prime minister— going to be the best prime ministerand _ going to be the best prime minister and that- going to be the best prime ministerand that i- going to be the best primei minister and that i thought going to be the best prime. minister and that i thought i would — minister and that i thought i would just— minister and that i thought i would just unpack— minister and that i thought i would just unpack them. - minister and that i thought i| would just unpack them. call minister and that i thought i - would just unpack them. call me old—fashioned. _ would just unpack them. (all me old-fashioned.— would just unpack them. call me old-fashioned.— old-fashioned. must've been able to offer _ old-fashioned. must've been able to offer useful - old-fashioned. must've been able to offer useful advice, l able to offer useful advice, because _ able to offer useful advice, because you have been around poiitics — because you have been around politics for longer than him. what — politics for longer than him. what about him as a communicator? his critics will say he — communicator? his critics will say he is _ communicator? his critics will say he is a _ communicator? his critics will say he is a bit wooden, he doesn't _ say he is a bit wooden, he doesn't get across is sort of humanity— doesn't get across is sort of humanity enough. does he need to loosen — humanity enough. does he need to loosen up? | humanity enough. does he need to loosen pp?— to loosen up? i think is pretty charismatic. _ to loosen up? i think is pretty charismatic. do _ to loosen up? i think is pretty charismatic. do we _ to loosen up? i think is pretty charismatic. do we hear- to loosen up? i think is pretty| charismatic. do we hear that? if ou charismatic. do we hear that? if you look at the _ charismatic. do we hear that? if you look at the campaign i if you look at the campaign video— if you look at the campaign video they— if you look at the campaign video they put _ if you look at the campaign video they put together- if you look at the campaign video they put together an| if you look at the campaign i video they put together an 24 hours — video they put together an 24 hours or— video they put together an 24 hours or whatever— video they put together an 24 hours or whatever it - video they put together an 24 hours or whatever it was. -

video they put together an 24 hours or whatever it was. it . hours or whatever it was. wasn't! hours or whatever it was. it wasn't! it — hours or whatever it was. it wasn't! it was! _ hours or whatever it was. it wasn't! it was! you - hours or whatever it was. it wasn't! it was! you do - hours or whatever it was. it i wasn't! it was! you do believe that? if wasn't! it was! you do believe that? if you — wasn't! it was! you do believe that? if you look _ wasn't! it was! you do believe that? if you look at _ wasn't! it was! you do believe that? if you look at the - wasn't! it was! you do believe that? if you look at the shots| that? if you look at the shots of rishi in — that? if you look at the shots of rishi in it, _ that? if you look at the shots of rishi in it, it _ that? if you look at the shots of rishi in it, it is _ that? if you look at the shots of rishi in it, it is all- that? if you look at the shots of rishi in it, it is all with - of rishi in it, it is all with a black— of rishi in it, it is all with a black backdrop, - of rishi in it, it is all with a black backdrop, they. of rishi in it, it is all with l a black backdrop, they shot of rishi in it, it is all with - a black backdrop, they shot it in a _ a black backdrop, they shot it in a hotel— a black backdrop, they shot it in a hotel room _ a black backdrop, they shot it in a hotel room with - a black backdrop, they shot it in a hotel room with a - a black backdrop, they shot it in a hotel room with a black. in a hotel room with a black backdrop, _ in a hotel room with a black backdrop, that— in a hotel room with a black backdrop, that is— in a hotel room with a black backdrop, that is easy- in a hotel room with a blackj backdrop, that is easy to do in a couple — backdrop, that is easy to do in a couple of— backdrop, that is easy to do in a couple of hours, _ backdrop, that is easy to do in a couple of hours, and - backdrop, that is easy to do in a couple of hours, and all- backdrop, that is easy to do in a couple of hours, and all the| a couple of hours, and all the rest _ a couple of hours, and all the rest is — a couple of hours, and all the rest is the _ a couple of hours, and all the rest is the role. _ a couple of hours, and all the rest is the role. of— a couple of hours, and all the rest is the role. of course - rest is the role. of course they— rest is the role. of course they had _ rest is the role. of course they had been— rest is the role. of course they had been picking - rest is the role. of course they had been picking upi rest is the role. of coursel they had been picking up a rest is the role. of course - they had been picking up a lot of shots — they had been picking up a lot of shots of— they had been picking up a lot of shots of rishi _ they had been picking up a lot of shots of rishi meeting - of shots of rishi meeting people _ of shots of rishi meeting people and _ of shots of rishi meeting people and doing - of shots of rishi meeting people and doing variousj of shots of rishi meeting - people and doing various things to have — people and doing various things to have on _ people and doing various things to have on the _ people and doing various things to have on the laptop— people and doing various things to have on the laptop ready- people and doing various things to have on the laptop ready to. to have on the laptop ready to lo, to have on the laptop ready to go. and — to have on the laptop ready to go. and a _ to have on the laptop ready to go, and a combination- to have on the laptop ready to go, and a combination of- go, and a combination of shooting _ go, and a combination of shooting somebody- go, and a combination of. shooting somebody doing... ready— shooting somebody doing... ready to— shooting somebody doing... ready to go _ shooting somebody doing... ready to go for— shooting somebody doing... ready to go for what? - shooting somebody doing... i ready to go for what? rennes shooting somebody doing... - ready to go for what? rennes to promote — ready to go for what? rennes to promote the work he was doing in the _ promote the work he was doing in the treasury, i'm sure! laughter just in case it was needed but the video— just in case it was needed but the video was _ just in case it was needed but the video was put _ just in case it was needed but the video was put together i just in case it was needed butj the video was put together an 24 hours _ the video was put together an 24 hours. ., the video was put together an 24 hours— 24 hours. you know that for a fact? i 24 hours. you know that for a fact? i do- — 24 hours. you know that for a fact? | do. but— 24 hours. you know that for a fact? | do. but the _ 24 hours. you know that for a fact? i do. but the point - 24 hours. you know that for a fact? | do. but the point | - 24 hours. you know that for a | fact? i do. but the point i was makin: fact? i do. but the point i was making in _ fact? i do. but the point i was making in that _ fact? i do. but the point i was making in that video - fact? i do. but the point i was making in that video he - fact? i do. but the point i was making in that video he talks | making in that video he talks about— making in that video he talks about his _ making in that video he talks about his upbringing. - making in that video he talks about his upbringing. he - making in that video he talks about his upbringing. he was born— about his upbringing. he was born in— about his upbringing. he was born in a _ about his upbringing. he was born in a pharmacy, - about his upbringing. he was born in a pharmacy, born- about his upbringing. he was| born in a pharmacy, born into about his upbringing. he was. born in a pharmacy, born into a family— born in a pharmacy, born into a family who _ born in a pharmacy, born into a family who ran _ born in a pharmacy, born into a family who ran a _ born in a pharmacy, born into a family who ran a pharmacy - born in a pharmacy, born into a family who ran a pharmacy in l family who ran a pharmacy in southampton, _ family who ran a pharmacy in southampton, i— family who ran a pharmacy in southampton, idon't- family who ran a pharmacy in southampton, i don't think . family who ran a pharmacy in southampton, i don't think itj southampton, i don't think it was — southampton, i don't think it was actually _

southampton, i don't think it was actually born _ southampton, i don't think it was actually born in - southampton, i don't think it was actually born in a - was actually born in a pharmacy, _ was actually born in a pharmacy, though . was actually born in aj pharmacy, though his was actually born in a - pharmacy, though his dad was was actually born in a _ pharmacy, though his dad was a gp so— pharmacy, though his dad was a gp so i'm — pharmacy, though his dad was a gp so i'm sure— pharmacy, though his dad was a gp so i'm sure would _ pharmacy, though his dad was a gp so i'm sure would have - pharmacy, though his dad was a gp so i'm sure would have beenj gp so i'm sure would have been helpful— gp so i'm sure would have been helpful to — gp so i'm sure would have been helpful to have _ gp so i'm sure would have been helpful to have him _ gp so i'm sure would have been helpful to have him on- gp so i'm sure would have been helpful to have him on hand! i helpful to have him on hand! but you _ helpful to have him on hand! but you know. _ helpful to have him on hand! but you know, and _ helpful to have him on hand! but you know, and when - helpful to have him on hand! but you know, and when he i helpful to have him on hand! - but you know, and when he talks about _ but you know, and when he talks about his — but you know, and when he talks about his background, _ but you know, and when he talks about his background, his- about his background, his upbringing. _ about his background, his upbringing. you _ about his background, his upbringing, you know, . about his background, his| upbringing, you know, the values _ upbringing, you know, the values he _ upbringing, you know, the values he learnt _ upbringing, you know, the values he learnt from - upbringing, you know, the values he learnt from his. values he learnt from his parents. _ values he learnt from his parents. i— values he learnt from his parents, ithink- values he learnt from his parents, i think it - values he learnt from his parents, i think it is - values he learnt from his parents, i think it is very| parents, i think it is very powerful _ parents, i think it is very powerful. he _ parents, i think it is very powerful. he is - parents, i think it is very powerful. he is a - parents, i think it is very powerful. he is a story. parents, i think it is very| powerful. he is a story of parents, i think it is very. powerful. he is a story of a young _ powerful. he is a story of a young lad _ powerful. he is a story of a young lad come _ powerful. he is a story of a young lad come good, - powerful. he is a story of a young lad come good, you| powerful. he is a story of a - young lad come good, you know? but in _ young lad come good, you know? but in his— young lad come good, you know? but in his recent _ young lad come good, you know? but in his recent record, - young lad come good, you know? but in his recent record, he - young lad come good, you know? but in his recent record, he is- but in his recent record, he is a tax raising, covid lawbreaking politician. yeah, he did get — lawbreaking politician. yeah, he did get fined, _ lawbreaking politician. yeah, he did get fined, yeah. - lawbreaking politician. yeah, he did get fined, yeah. we . lawbreaking politician. yeah, i he did get fined, yeah. we have seen the pictures _ he did get fined, yeah. we have seen the pictures of— he did get fined, yeah. we have seen the pictures of him - seen the pictures of him thought— seen the pictures of him thought she _ seen the pictures of him thought she was - seen the pictures of him thought she was fine. i seen the pictures of himi thought she was fine. we seen the pictures of him - thought she was fine. we didn't want _ thought she was fine. we didn't want to— thought she was fine. we didn't want to be _ thought she was fine. we didn't want to be at— thought she was fine. we didn't want to be at that _ thought she was fine. we didn't want to be at that party - thought she was fine. we didn't want to be at that party full i want to be at that party full stop — want to be at that party full stop he _ want to be at that party full stop he turned _ want to be at that party full stop he turned up- want to be at that party full stop he turned up five i want to be at that party full i stop he turned up five minutes early — stop he turned up five minutes earl . ., , . early. he has broken the law, he was fined. _ early. he has broken the law, he was fined. he _ early. he has broken the law, he was fined. he has - early. he has broken the law, i he was fined. he has apologised for that. he was fined. he has apologised for that- so _ he was fined. he has apologised for that. so that's _ he was fined. he has apologised for that. so that's ok? - he was fined. he has apologised for that. so that's ok? nobody l for that. so that's ok? nobody thinks that _ for that. so that's ok? nobody thinks that rishi _ for that. so that's ok? nobody thinks that rishi is _ for that. so that's ok? nobody thinks that rishi is anything i thinks that rishi is anything other— thinks that rishi is anything other than— thinks that rishi is anything other than a _ thinks that rishi is anything other than a man _ thinks that rishi is anything other than a man of- thinks that rishi is anything other than a man of great i other than a man of great integrity _ other than a man of great integrity. even— other than a man of great integrity. even those i other than a man of great integrity. even those whoj integrity. even those who disagree _ integrity. even those who disagree with _ integrity. even those who disagree with his - integrity. even those who disagree with his policy. integrity. even those who| disagree with his policy of this— disagree with his policy of this campaign, _ disagree with his policy of this campaign, no- disagree with his policy of this campaign, no one i disagree with his policy of this campaign, no one is. this campaign, no one is challenging _ this campaign, no one is challenging his - this campaign, no one isj challenging his integrity. well. _ challenging his integrity. well. on _ challenging his integrity. well, on back— challenging his integrity. well, on back then, i challenging his integrity. well, on back then, why| challenging his integrity. i well, on back then, why did challenging his integrity. - well, on back then, why did he stick with the prime list as long as he did, through

wallpaper gate, party gate, through a bit of the chris lynch affair?— through a bit of the chris lynch affair? through a bit of the chris l nch affair? �* , , ., lynch affair? because he is a team player- _ lynch affair? because he is a team player. and _ lynch affair? because he is a team player. and actually i lynch affair? because he is a l team player. and actually sajid talked — team player. and actually sajid talked about _ team player. and actually sajid talked about this _ team player. and actually sajid talked about this as _ team player. and actually sajid talked about this as well- team player. and actually sajid talked about this as well wheni talked about this as well when he resigned. _ talked about this as well when he resigned, he— talked about this as well when he resigned, he talked - talked about this as well when he resigned, he talked about. he resigned, he talked about struggling _ he resigned, he talked about struggling -- _ he resigned, he talked about struggling —— the _ he resigned, he talked aboutj struggling —— the christopher pincher— struggling —— the christopher pincher affair. _ struggling —— the christopher pincher affair. he _ struggling —— the christopher pincher affair. he talked i struggling —— the christopher. pincher affair. he talked about struggling _ pincher affair. he talked about struggling with _ pincher affair. he talked about struggling with the _ pincher affair. he talked about struggling with the balance i pincher affair. he talked about struggling with the balance of| struggling with the balance of being — struggling with the balance of being a — struggling with the balance of being a team player. - struggling with the balance of being a team player. we're i being a team player. we're having _ being a team player. we're having this _ being a team player. we're having this debate - being a team player. we're having this debate in - having this debate in westminster, - having this debate in westminster, therei having this debate in i westminster, there are having this debate in - westminster, there are still a grave — westminster, there are still a grave situation— grave situation out of the country _ grave situation out of the country for _ grave situation out of the country for people - grave situation out of the| country for people trained grave situation out of the i country for people trained to make — country for people trained to make and _ country for people trained to make and is— country for people trained to make and is meat _ country for people trained to make and is meat and - country for people trained to make and is meat and he i country for people trained to make and is meat and he isl country for people trained to i make and is meat and he is the chancellor_ make and is meat and he is the chancellor of— make and is meat and he is the chancellor of the _ make and is meat and he is the chancellor of the exchequer. i make and is meat and he is the| chancellor of the exchequer. he struggled — chancellor of the exchequer. he struggled with _ chancellor of the exchequer. he struggled with that _ chancellor of the exchequer. he struggled with that duty- struggled with that duty against _ struggled with that duty against what _ struggled with that duty against what he - struggled with that duty against what he felt - struggled with that duty against what he felt he i struggled with that duty- against what he felt he needed to d0~ — against what he felt he needed to d0~ and _ against what he felt he needed to do. and also, _ against what he felt he needed to do. and also, remember, i against what he felt he neededi to do. and also, remember, for those _ to do. and also, remember, for those of— to do. and also, remember, for those of us _ to do. and also, remember, for those of us who _ to do. and also, remember, for those of us who have _ to do. and also, remember, for those of us who have been - those of us who have been through— those of us who have been through this _ those of us who have been through this extraordinary| through this extraordinary period _ through this extraordinary period irr— through this extraordinary period in government, - through this extraordinary - period in government, through the pandemic, _ period in government, through the pandemic, you _ period in government, through the pandemic, you do - period in government, through the pandemic, you do become| the pandemic, you do become dose — the pandemic, you do become dose to — the pandemic, you do become dose to the _ the pandemic, you do become close to the people _ the pandemic, you do become close to the people you - the pandemic, you do become close to the people you work i close to the people you work with — close to the people you work with it — close to the people you work with it is _ close to the people you work with. it is notable _ close to the people you work with. it is notable for- with. it is notable for instance, _ with. it is notable for instance, that - with. it is notable for. instance, that dominic with. it is notable for- instance, that dominic raab is also _ instance, that dominic raab is also backihg _ instance, that dominic raab is also backing rishi. _ instance, that dominic raab is also backing rishi. dominic. also backing rishi. dominic raab. _ also backing rishi. dominic raab. me. _ also backing rishi. dominic raab, me, rishi, _ also backing rishi. dominic raab, me, rishi, you- also backing rishi. dominicl raab, me, rishi, you know, boris, — raab, me, rishi, you know, boris, we _ raab, me, rishi, you know, boris, we worked _ raab, me, rishi, you know, boris, we worked so - raab, me, rishi, you know, boris, we worked so closely| boris, we worked so closely durihg — boris, we worked so closely during that _

boris, we worked so closely during that period, - boris, we worked so closely during that period, and, - boris, we worked so closely| during that period, and, you know. — during that period, and, you know. we _ during that period, and, you know. we are _ during that period, and, you know, we are human. - during that period, and, you know, we are human. we i during that period, and, you i know, we are human. we have affectioh _ know, we are human. we have affectioh i_ know, we are human. we have affection. i have _ know, we are human. we have affection. i have great - affection. i have great affection _ affection. i have great affection for— affection. i have great affection for boris - affection. i have great - affection for boris johnson. but you _ affection for boris johnson. but you must— affection for boris johnson. but you must have - affection for boris johnson. but you must have argued i affection for boris johnson. - but you must have argued with rishi sunak a lot because he was always saying let's open the economy up quicker, and you are always portrayed as saying let's be more cautious, is that how it panned out? not always, there are times _ how it panned out? not always, there are times when _ how it panned out? not always, | there are times when we agreed with each— there are times when we agreed with each other, _ there are times when we agreed with each other, will _ there are times when we agreed with each other, will be - there are times when we agreed with each other, will be put - with each other, will be put different _ with each other, will be put different proposals - with each other, will be put| different proposals forward. with each other, will be put i different proposals forward. i always — different proposals forward. i always have _ different proposals forward. i always have respect - different proposals forward. i always have respect for- different proposals forward. i always have respect for the l always have respect for the integrity _ always have respect for the integrity with _ always have respect for the integrity with which - always have respect for the integrity with which he - always have respect for the integrity with which he put| always have respect for the . integrity with which he put his argument _ integrity with which he put his argument he _ integrity with which he put his argument. he said _ integrity with which he put his argument. he said what- integrity with which he put his argument. he said what he i argument. he said what he believed _ argument. he said what he believed to _ argument. he said what he believed to be _ argument. he said what he believed to be the - argument. he said what he believed to be the best - argument. he said what he - believed to be the best answer to the — believed to be the best answer to the situation, _ believed to be the best answer to the situation, i— believed to be the best answer to the situation, i said - believed to be the best answer to the situation, i said what i l to the situation, i said what i believe. _ to the situation, i said what i believe. and _ to the situation, i said what i believe, and then— to the situation, i said what i believe, and then boris- to the situation, i said what i| believe, and then boris made the call, _ believe, and then boris made the call, and _ believe, and then boris made the call, and sometimes - believe, and then boris made| the call, and sometimes boris sided — the call, and sometimes boris sided with _ the call, and sometimes boris sided with me _ the call, and sometimes boris sided with me on— the call, and sometimes boris sided with me on balance, - the call, and sometimes boris| sided with me on balance, and sometimes _ sided with me on balance, and sometimes sided _ sided with me on balance, and sometimes sided with - sided with me on balance, and sometimes sided with rishi . sided with me on balance, and sometimes sided with rishi oni sometimes sided with rishi on balance, — sometimes sided with rishi on balance, trut— sometimes sided with rishi on balance, but i— sometimes sided with rishi on balance, but i come _ sometimes sided with rishi on balance, but i come back- sometimes sided with rishi on balance, but i come back to. balance, but i come back to this— balance, but i come back to this point— balance, but i come back to this point about _ balance, but i come back to this point about integrity. . balance, but i come back to. this point about integrity. and in fact, — this point about integrity. and in fact, and _ this point about integrity. and in fact, and i— this point about integrity. and in fact, and i have _ this point about integrity. and in fact, and i have said- in fact, and i have said this to rishi. _ in fact, and i have said this to rishi, when _ in fact, and i have said this to rishi, when you - in fact, and i have said this to rishi, when you back. to rishi, when you back somebody— to rishi, when you back somebody to _ to rishi, when you back somebody to be - to rishi, when you back somebody to be prime i to rishi, when you back- somebody to be prime minister and you — somebody to be prime minister and you are _ somebody to be prime minister and you are an— somebody to be prime minister and you are an mp _ somebody to be prime minister and you are an mp and - somebody to be prime minister and you are an mp and part- somebody to be prime minister and you are an mp and part of. and you are an mp and part of the team, _ and you are an mp and part of the team, you _ and you are an mp and part of the team, you need _ and you are an mp and part of the team, you need to- and you are an mp and part of the team, you need to back. the team, you need to back somebody— the team, you need to back somebody who _ the team, you need to back somebody who not - the team, you need to back somebody who not only- the team, you need to back somebody who not only doi the team, you need to back. somebody who not only do you agree — somebody who not only do you agree with. _ somebody who not only do you agree with, obviously, - somebody who not only do you agree with, obviously, in - somebody who not only do you

agree with, obviously, in the l agree with, obviously, in the large — agree with, obviously, in the large part. _ agree with, obviously, in the large part, direction, - large part, direction, strategy. _ large part, direction, strategy, approach . large part, direction,| strategy, approach to large part, direction, - strategy, approach to life, but you also — strategy, approach to life, but you also need _ strategy, approach to life, but you also need to _ strategy, approach to life, but you also need to be _ strategy, approach to life, but you also need to be able - strategy, approach to life, but you also need to be able to i you also need to be able to trust — you also need to be able to trust them, _ you also need to be able to trust them, that _ you also need to be able to trust them, that when - you also need to be able to trust them, that when you i trust them, that when you disagree. _ trust them, that when you disagree, that— trust them, that when you disagree, that they - trust them, that when you - disagree, that they have taken your— disagree, that they have taken your point— disagree, that they have taken your point of— disagree, that they have taken your point of view— disagree, that they have taken your point of view into - your point of view into account, _ your point of view into account, right? - your point of view into account, right? they've listened. _ account, right? they've listened. where - account, right? they've listened. where they i account, right? they've i listened. where they have thou . ht listened. where they have thought about _ listened. where they have thought about things - thought about things essentially— thought about things essentially from - thought about things i essentially from broadly thought about things - essentially from broadly the same — essentially from broadly the same value _ essentially from broadly the same value set, _ essentially from broadly the same value set, and - essentially from broadly the same value set, and then i essentially from broadly the i same value set, and then even if they— same value set, and then even if they come _ same value set, and then even if they come up— same value set, and then even if they come up with _ same value set, and then even if they come up with a - if they come up with a different— if they come up with a different decision, - if they come up with a | different decision, you if they come up with a - different decision, you respect the decision— different decision, you respect the decision because - different decision, you respect the decision because you - the decision because you respect _ the decision because you respect the _ the decision because you respect the person, - the decision because you respect the person, andi the decision because you - respect the person, and that was — respect the person, and that was true _ respect the person, and that was true during _ respect the person, and that was true during the - respect the person, and that was true during the covert. was true during the covert times— was true during the covert times and _ was true during the covert times and it _ was true during the covert times and it is _ was true during the covert times and it is by- was true during the covert times and it is by both- was true during the covert i times and it is by both rishi ahd — times and it is by both rishi and i— times and it is by both rishi and i feel— times and it is by both rishi and i feel very— times and it is by both rishi and i feel very strongly- times and it is by both rishi. and i feel very strongly about this idea _ and i feel very strongly about this idea of— and i feel very strongly about this idea of collective - this idea of collective response _ this idea of collective response ability- this idea of collective response ability —— l this idea of collective - response ability —— during the c0vid— response ability —— during the covid times~ _ response ability —— during the covm times. there _ response ability —— during the covid times. there are - response ability —— during the covid times. there are somei covid times. there are some things— covid times. there are some things i— covid times. there are some things i know— covid times. there are some things i know he _ covid times. there are some things i know he argued - covid times. there are some . things i know he argued against but he — things i know he argued against but he feels _ things i know he argued against but he feels a _ things i know he argued against but he feels a sense _ things i know he argued against but he feels a sense of- but he feels a sense of collective _ but he feels a sense of| collective responsibility but he feels a sense of. collective responsibility to explain _ collective responsibility to explain why _ collective responsibility to explain why he _ collective responsibility to explain why he supported | collective responsibility to - explain why he supported them in public, — explain why he supported them in public, and _ explain why he supported them in public, and you _ explain why he supported them in public, and you have - explain why he supported them in public, and you have to- explain why he supported them in public, and you have to do. in public, and you have to do that — in public, and you have to do that people _ in public, and you have to do that. people might— in public, and you have to do that. people might say, - in public, and you have to do that. people might say, butl in public, and you have to do. that. people might say, but you can't _ that. people might say, but you can't run — that. people might say, but you can't run a — that. people might say, but you can't run a couple _ that. people might say, but you can't run a couple without - that. people might say, but you can't run a couple without that i can't run a couple without that collective _ can't run a couple without that collective responsibility- can't run a couple without that collective responsibility first. collective responsibility first what — collective responsibility first what about _ collective responsibility first what about the _ collective responsibility first what about the argument i collective responsibility first l what about the argument that says. — what about the argument that says, given what has happened in this— says, given what has happened in this colossal loss of belief in this colossal loss of belief in boris _ in this colossal loss of belief in borisjohnson, from you guys as conservative mps, and opinion— as conservative mps, and opinion polls would suggest in the country as well, that

proper— the country as well, that proper way to renew an office is a clean _ proper way to renew an office is a clean slate, they go for someone _ is a clean slate, they go for someone like a penny mordaunt, who is— someone like a penny mordaunt, who is hot— someone like a penny mordaunt, who is not very widely known, would — who is not very widely known, would be _ who is not very widely known, would be the most unknown prime mirrister— would be the most unknown prime minister on — would be the most unknown prime minister on assuming office in our lifetimes probably, but would _ our lifetimes probably, but would be undeniably a completely clean slate, whereas your guy — completely clean slate, whereas your guy was stood there right alongside borisjohnson, was fined. — alongside borisjohnson, was fined. as _ alongside borisjohnson, was fined, as victoria mentions, and — fined, as victoria mentions, and is — fined, as victoria mentions, and is kind _ fined, as victoria mentions, and is kind of, you know, part of the — and is kind of, you know, part of the previous administration, not a _ of the previous administration, not a clean start at all? the reason boris _ not a clean start at all? the reason boris johnson - not a clean start at all? the reason boris johnson wasn't a policy— reason boris johnson wasn't a policy dispute _ reason boris johnson wasn't a policy dispute like _ reason boris johnson wasn't a policy dispute like theresa . policy dispute like theresa may — policy dispute like theresa may it _ policy dispute like theresa may. it was _ policy dispute like theresa may. it was not _ policy dispute like theresa may. it was not down - policy dispute like theresa may. it was not down to l policy dispute like theresa i may. it was not down to that. while — may. it was not down to that. while rishi _ may. it was not down to that. while rishi sunak— may. it was not down to that. while rishi sunak has - may. it was not down to that. l while rishi sunak has delivered a whole — while rishi sunak has delivered a whole load _ while rishi sunak has delivered a whole load of _ while rishi sunak has delivered a whole load of the _ while rishi sunak has delivered a whole load of the boris - a whole load of the boris johnson _ a whole load of the boris johnson agenda - a whole load of the boris johnson agenda as - a whole load of the boris johnson agenda as his i johnson agenda as his chancellor, _ johnson agenda as his chancellor, he - johnson agenda as his chancellor, he is - johnson agenda as his chancellor, he is a - johnson agenda as hisl chancellor, he is a very different— chancellor, he is a very different character. - chancellor, he is a very different character. myi chancellor, he is a very- different character. my view is that we — different character. my view is that we can _ different character. my view is that we can have _ different character. my view is that we can have that - different character. my view is that we can have that renewal| that we can have that renewal and office. _ that we can have that renewal and office, if— that we can have that renewal and office, if you _ that we can have that renewal and office, if you like, - that we can have that renewal and office, if you like, with. and office, if you like, with rishi — and office, if you like, with rishi sunak. _ and office, if you like, with rishi sunak. we _ and office, if you like, with rishi sunak. we would - rishi sunak. we would undoubtedly— rishi sunak. we would undoubtedly have - rishi sunak. we would undoubtedly have it i rishi sunak. we would i undoubtedly have it with, rishi sunak. we would - undoubtedly have it with, but a very— undoubtedly have it with, but a very different _ undoubtedly have it with, but a very different character. - undoubtedly have it with, but a very different character. you i very different character. you really — very different character. you really do _ very different character. you really do need _ very different character. you really do need to _ very different character. you

really do need to have - very different character. you really do need to have been| very different character. you i really do need to have been in high _ really do need to have been in high office _ really do need to have been in high office to _ really do need to have been in high office to be _ really do need to have been in high office to be prime - high office to be prime minister _ high office to be prime minister.— high office to be prime minister. . . �*, minister. can i ask what it's like running _ minister. can i ask what it's like running as _ minister. can i ask what it's like running as leader - minister. can i ask what it's like running as leader and l like running as leader and prime minister? you did last time. ~ . , ., time. what did you think? i absolutely _ time. what did you think? i absolutely loved _ time. what did you think? i absolutely loved running. i time. what did you think? i | absolutely loved running. at this time _ absolutely loved running. at this time i _ absolutely loved running. at this time i loved _ absolutely loved running. at this time i loved being - absolutely loved running. at this time i loved being ablei absolutely loved running. at i this time i loved being able to observe — this time i loved being able to observe it— this time i loved being able to observe it with _ this time i loved being able to observe it with a _ this time i loved being able to observe it with a bit _ this time i loved being able to observe it with a bit of - this time i loved being able to observe it with a bit of a - observe it with a bit of a perspective _ observe it with a bit of a perspeetive-_ observe it with a bit of a --ersective. �* ., i. . ,, perspective. before you backed rishi sunak. _ perspective. before you backed rishi sunak, did _ perspective. before you backed rishi sunak, did your _ perspective. before you backed rishi sunak, did your phone - perspective. before you backed rishi sunak, did your phone go| rishi sunak, did your phone go bonkers— rishi sunak, did your phone go bonkers saying would you join us? _ bonkers saying would you join us? |— bonkers saying would you 'oin us? ., , ., ., ., us? i thought you were going to say would _ us? i thought you were going to say would you — us? i thought you were going to say would you rather? - us? i thought you were going to say would you rather? how- say would you rather? how gently _ say would you rather? how gently will _ say would you rather? how gently will let _ say would you rather? how gently will let you - say would you rather? how gently will let you down's i | gently will let you down's i did have _ gently will let you down's i did have a _ gently will let you down's i did have a couple - gently will let you down's i did have a couple of- gently will let you down's i i did have a couple of people. but no _ did have a couple of people. but no. ,, did have a couple of people. but no. i. ,, ., ., did have a couple of people. butno. ,, ., ., ,., , but no. do you know how phones work? no. _ but no. do you know how phones work? no. no- — but no. do you know how phones work? no, no. why— but no. do you know how phones work? no, no. why did _ but no. do you know how phones work? no, no. why did you - but no. do you know how phones work? no, no. why did you lovel work? no, no. why did you love it? you said _ work? no, no. why did you love it? you said you _ work? no, no. why did you love it? you said you loved _ work? no, no. why did you love it? you said you loved it! - it? you said you loved it! number one thing is when you are ari— number one thing is when you are an office, _ number one thing is when you are an office, you _ number one thing is when you are an office, you abide - number one thing is when you are an office, you abide by- are an office, you abide by this— are an office, you abide by this collective _ are an office, you abide byi this collective responsibility we are _ this collective responsibility we are talking _ this collective responsibility we are talking about - this collective responsibility we are talking about and i we are talking about and suddenly— we are talking about and suddenly it _ we are talking about and suddenly it all— we are talking about and suddenly it all falls - we are talking about andi suddenly it all falls away. we are talking about and - suddenly it all falls away. now at the — suddenly it all falls away. now at the same _ suddenly it all falls away. now at the same time... _ suddenly it all falls away. now at the same time. . ._ suddenly it all falls away. now at the same time... meaning you can say we _ at the same time... meaning you can say we really _ at the same time... meaning you can say we really think. -

at the same time... meaning you can say we really think. and - can say we really think. and more importantly, - can say we really think. and more importantly, you - can say we really think. and more importantly, you have to dil more importantly, you have to dig deep— more importantly, you have to dig deep into _ more importantly, you have to dig deep into what _ more importantly, you have to dig deep into what you - more importantly, you have to dig deep into what you really. dig deep into what you really believe — dig deep into what you really believe and _ dig deep into what you really believe and ask— dig deep into what you really believe and ask yourself- dig deep into what you really believe and ask yourself and | believe and ask yourself and sort — believe and ask yourself and sort of— believe and ask yourself and sort of try— believe and ask yourself and sort of try to _ believe and ask yourself and sort of try to peel— believe and ask yourself and sort of try to peel back - sort of try to peel back because _ sort of try to peel back because for— sort of try to peel back because for years - sort of try to peel back i because for years you've sort of try to peel back - because for years you've been saving — because for years you've been saving x — because for years you've been saving x on— because for years you've been saving x on a _ because for years you've been saying x on a particular- because for years you've been saying x on a particular issuei saying x on a particular issue and — saying x on a particular issue and quite _ saying x on a particular issue and quite quickly, _ saying x on a particular issue and quite quickly, to- saying x on a particular issue and quite quickly, to the - and quite quickly, to the conclusion— and quite quickly, to the conclusion you - and quite quickly, to the conclusion you want - and quite quickly, to the conclusion you want to l and quite quickly, to the . conclusion you want to say something _ conclusion you want to say something different, - conclusion you want to say something different, you i conclusion you want to say- something different, you have to dig — something different, you have to dig deep _ something different, you have to dig deep and _ something different, you have to dig deep and say— something different, you have to dig deep and say what - something different, you have to dig deep and say what i - to dig deep and say what i really— to dig deep and say what i really think— to dig deep and say what i really think is _ to dig deep and say what i really think is the - to dig deep and say what i really think is the best - to dig deep and say what i really think is the best for| really think is the best for the — really think is the best for the country— really think is the best for the country and _ really think is the best for the country and answer i really think is the best for i the country and answer this question? _ the country and answer this question? instance, - the country and answer this question? instance, one i the country and answer this i question? instance, one thing the country and answer this - question? instance, one thing i enjoyed— question? instance, one thing i enjoyed most— question? instance, one thing i enjoyed most is— question? instance, one thing i enjoyed most is giving - question? instance, one thing i enjoyed most is giving a - enjoyed most is giving a foreign _ enjoyed most is giving a foreign policy— enjoyed most is giving a foreign policy speech. . enjoyed most is giving al foreign policy speech. i'd never— foreign policy speech. i'd never been _ foreign policy speech. i'd never been in _ foreign policy speech. i'd never been in a - foreign policy speech. i'd - never been in a foreign—policy 'ob never been in a foreign—policy job irr— never been in a foreign—policy job in government _ never been in a foreign—policy job in government so - never been in a foreign—policy job in government so had - never been in a foreign—policy. job in government so had never given— job in government so had never given a — job in government so had never given a speech _ job in government so had never given a speech on _ job in government so had never given a speech on it— job in government so had never given a speech on it but- job in government so had never given a speech on it but i've - given a speech on it but i've -ot given a speech on it but i've got views— given a speech on it but i've got views on— given a speech on it but i've got views on it _ given a speech on it but i've got views on it and - given a speech on it but i've| got views on it and observed given a speech on it but i've . got views on it and observed it closely — got views on it and observed it closely and _ got views on it and observed it closely and have _ got views on it and observed it closely and have an _ got views on it and observed it closely and have an elegant i closely and have an elegant international— closely and have an elegant international work- closely and have an elegant international work but - closely and have an elegant international work but not l international work but not foreign—policy. _ international work but not foreign-policy.— international work but not foreign-policy. you wait as interesting _ foreign-policy. you wait as interesting and _ foreign-policy. you wait as interesting and it - foreign-policy. you wait as interesting and it will- foreign-policy. you wait as i interesting and it will confirm for those people who say politicians never tell us what they really think, they are not honest, they are not straight, and you've just confirmed that. if you can only say what you've always only really think, people my respect that! there

is the question _ people my respect that! there is the question as _ people my respect that! there is the question as to _ people my respect that! there is the question as to whetherl is the question as to whether collective responsibility, and the extent to which it works, especially in such a disaggregated world of communications and media, hannah— communications and media, hannah wells were it was basically the bbc and the big newspapers and so there were maybe — newspapers and so there were maybe eight different ways of communicating with the public, it is a _ communicating with the public, it is a different question to when — it is a different question to when there is literally as many ways _ when there is literally as many wevs of— when there is literally as many ways of communicating with the public— ways of communicating with the public as— ways of communicating with the public as there are members of the public. public as there are members of the public-— the public. you could call it institutional _ the public. you could call it institutional dishonesty, i institutional dishonesty, collective responsibility. let's move on. i want one little — let's move on. i want one little defence _ let's move on. i want one little defence on - let's move on. i want one| little defence on collective responsibility. _ little defence on collective i responsibility. (crosstalk). we have _ responsibility. (crosstalk). we have got— responsibility. (crosstalk). we have got around - responsibility. (crosstalk). we have got around the - responsibility. (crosstalk). - we have got around the country! the media — we have got around the country! the media has— we have got around the country! the media has a _ we have got around the country! the media has a responsibility. the media has a responsibility because as soon as there are differences, we go in the cabinet! we could look at ourselves.— cabinet! we could look at ourselves. . , ., ourselves. what people tend to do if they disagree is _

do if they disagree is go silent _ do if they disagree is go silent and _ do if they disagree is go silent and if _ do if they disagree is go silent and if you - do if they disagree is go silent and if you really. silent and if you really disagree _ silent and if you really disagree with- silent and if you really disagree with it, - silent and if you really- disagree with it, he resigned. carr we — disagree with it, he resigned. carr we ask— disagree with it, he resigned. can we ask the old _ disagree with it, he resigned. can we ask the old brief in . disagree with it, he resigned. | can we ask the old brief in the department of health? there are lots of indicators on the nhs dashboard that seem to be flashing, whether it's ambulance waiting times, covid admissions, are you quite worried about the state of the nhs tonight?— nhs tonight? there is simply challenges _ nhs tonight? there is simply challenges. there _ nhs tonight? there is simply challenges. there is - nhs tonight? there is simply challenges. there is this - challenges. there is this backlog _ challenges. there is this backlog which— challenges. there is this backlog which grew up l challenges. there is this l backlog which grew up not just because — backlog which grew up not just because of— backlog which grew up not just because of operations that - backlog which grew up not just. because of operations that were cancelled but _ cancelled but because then people didn't _ cancelled but because then people didn't come - cancelled but because thenj people didn't come forward cancelled but because then - people didn't come forward with a problenr. _ people didn't come forward with a problem, with— people didn't come forward with a problem, with lumps - people didn't come forward with a problem, with lumps and - a problem, with lumps and bumps. _ a problem, with lumps and bumps. and— a problem, with lumps and bumps, and we _ a problem, with lumps and bumps, and we put- a problem, with lumps and bumps, and we put a lot. a problem, with lumps and bumps, and we put a lot of effort — bumps, and we put a lot of effort during _ bumps, and we put a lot of effort during the _ bumps, and we put a lot of effort during the pandemic| bumps, and we put a lot of. effort during the pandemic to say still— effort during the pandemic to say still come _ effort during the pandemic to say still come forward - effort during the pandemic to say still come forward if - effort during the pandemic to say still come forward if you i say still come forward if you need — say still come forward if you need to _ say still come forward if you need to but _ say still come forward if you need to. but the _ say still come forward if you need to. but the number. say still come forward if you need to. but the number of| need to. but the number of appointments _ need to. but the number of appointments that- need to. but the number of appointments that didn't i need to. but the number of- appointments that didn't happen during _ appointments that didn't happen during the — appointments that didn't happen during the pandemic— appointments that didn't happen during the pandemic is - appointments that didn't happen during the pandemic is very- during the pandemic is very significant. _ during the pandemic is very significant, very— during the pandemic is very significant, very big, - during the pandemic is very significant, very big, and ii significant, very big, and i know— significant, very big, and i know this _ significant, very big, and i know this is _ significant, very big, and i know this is a _ significant, very big, and i know this is a huge - significant, very big, and i know this is a huge focusi significant, very big, and i. know this is a huge focus of sai'id's _ know this is a huge focus of sai'id's when _ know this is a huge focus of sajid's when he _ know this is a huge focus of sajid's when he was - know this is a huge focus of sajid's when he was in - know this is a huge focus of sajid's when he was in post| know this is a huge focus of. sajid's when he was in post so there — sajid's when he was in post so there is— sajid's when he was in post so there is no— sajid's when he was in post so there is no significant- there is no significant pressure _ there is no significant

pressure. there - there is no significant pressure. there is . there is no significant. pressure. there is also there is no significant- pressure. there is also more people — pressure. there is also more people in— pressure. there is also more people in the _ pressure. there is also more people in the nhs_ pressure. there is also more people in the nhs as - pressure. there is also more people in the nhs as ever. people in the nhs as ever before _ people in the nhs as ever before "is— people in the nhs as ever before ——is significant - before ——is significant pressure _ before ——is significant pressure. it'll- before ——is significant pressure. it'll only- before ——is significant pressure. it'll only be| before ——is significant - pressure. it'll only be solved by the — pressure. it'll only be solved by the full— pressure. it'll only be solved by the full embrace - pressure. it'll only be solved by the full embrace of- by the full embrace of technology— by the full embrace of technology to - by the full embrace of technology to make . by the full embrace of- technology to make things by the full embrace of— technology to make things more efficient— technology to make things more efficient and _ technology to make things more efficient and we _ technology to make things more efficient and we showed - technology to make things more efficient and we showed that - technology to make things more efficient and we showed that in. efficient and we showed that in the pandemic— efficient and we showed that in the pandemic at _ efficient and we showed that in the pandemic at times. - efficient and we showed that in the pandemic at times. but- the pandemic at times. but --eole the pandemic at times. but people are _ the pandemic at times. people are waiting for ten hours and ambulance now and when will the technology come to fix that? tomorrow?- when will the technology come to fix that? tomorrow? know. it needs to be _ to fix that? tomorrow? know. it needs to be done, _ to fix that? tomorrow? know. it needs to be done, long-term i to fix that? tomorrow? know. it needs to be done, long-term is| needs to be done, long—term is the only— needs to be done, long—term is the only sustainable _ needs to be done, long—term is the only sustainable solution. l the only sustainable solution. when — the only sustainable solution. when you _ the only sustainable solution. when you want _ the only sustainable solution. when you want to _ the only sustainable solution. when you want to get - the only sustainable solution. when you want to get a - the only sustainable solution. i when you want to get a vaccine, how long — when you want to get a vaccine, how long did _ when you want to get a vaccine, how long did you _ when you want to get a vaccine, how long did you wait? - when you want to get a vaccine, how long did you wait? hardly. how long did you wait? hardly at all — how long did you wait? hardly at all why? _ how long did you wait? hardly at all. why? we _ how long did you wait? hardly at all. why? we put _ how long did you wait? hardly at all. why? we put in - how long did you wait? hardly at all. why? we put in the - how long did you wait? hardlyi at all. why? we put in the data backbone. _ at all. why? we put in the data backbone, essentially - at all. why? we put in the data backbone, essentially under. backbone, essentially under penn— backbone, essentially under penn who _ backbone, essentially under penn who was _ backbone, essentially under penn who was called - backbone, essentially under penn who was called at - backbone, essentially under| penn who was called at what moment— penn who was called at what moment and _ penn who was called at what moment and we _ penn who was called at what moment and we put - penn who was called at what moment and we put that - penn who was called at what moment and we put that in i penn who was called at what i moment and we put that in first and that— moment and we put that in first and that the _ moment and we put that in first and that the system _ moment and we put that in first and that the system it - moment and we put that in first and that the system it whereasi and that the system it whereas the nhs — and that the system it whereas the nhs exists _ and that the system it whereas the nhs exists and _ and that the system it whereas the nhs exists and they're - the nhs exists and they're trying _ the nhs exists and they're trying to— the nhs exists and they're trying to put— the nhs exists and they're trying to put the _ the nhs exists and they're trying to put the data - the nhs exists and they're - trying to put the data systems and underneath. _ trying to put the data systems and underneath. it's - trying to put the data systems and underneath. it's a - trying to put the data systems and underneath. it's a very. and underneath. it's a very difficult _ and underneath. it's a very difficult job. _ and underneath. it's a very difficult job.— difficult 'ob. that's the “0b of a difficult job. that's the “0b of a generation. * difficult job. that's the “0b of a generation. not if b difficult job. that's the job of a generation. not if you difficult job. that's the job - of a generation. not if you are l in: on of a generation. not if you are lying on the — of a generation. not if you are lying on the back— of a generation. not if you are lying on the back of— of a generation. not if you are lying on the back of an - lying on the back of an ambulance, waiting ten hours. it does not matter how quick your vaccine was. i

it does not matter how quick your vaccine was.— it does not matter how quick your vaccine was. i get that we have a record _ your vaccine was. i get that we have a record number- your vaccine was. i get that we have a record number of - your vaccine was. i get that we l have a record number of nurses in the _ have a record number of nurses in the nhs _ have a record number of nurses in the nhs. 2019 _ have a record number of nurses in the nhs. 2019 i _ have a record number of nurses in the nhs. 2019 i said- have a record number of nurses in the nhs. 2019 i said 50,000j in the nhs. 2019 i said 50,000 more _ in the nhs. 2019 i said 50,000 more nurses, _ in the nhs. 2019 i said 50,000 more nurses, they— in the nhs. 2019 i said 50,000 more nurses, they are - in the nhs. 2019 i said 50,000 more nurses, they are 30,000| more nurses, they are 30,000 up, more nurses, they are 30,000 up. three — more nurses, they are 30,000 up, three fifths _ more nurses, they are 30,000 up, three fifths of— more nurses, they are 30,000 up, three fifths of the - more nurses, they are 30,000 up, three fifths of the way - up, three fifths of the way through _ up, three fifths of the way through-— up, three fifths of the way throu . h. ~ , . through. where is it relative to 21 when _ through. where is it relative to 21 when uk _ through. where is it relative to 21 when uk met - through. where is it relative to 21 when uk met office? | through. where is it relative l to 21 when uk met office? it's a record number of doctors as well — a record number of doctors as well 0f— a record number of doctors as well of course _ a record number of doctors as well. of course we _ a record number of doctors as well. of course we need - a record number of doctors as well. of course we need more people — well. of course we need more people and _ well. of course we need more people and the _ well. of course we need more people and the government . well. of course we need more. people and the government are hiring _ people and the government are hiring more _ people and the government are hiring more people _ people and the government are hiring more people but - people and the government are hiring more people but what i people and the government are| hiring more people but what i'm trying _ hiring more people but what i'm trying to— hiring more people but what i'm trying to emphasise _ hiring more people but what i'm trying to emphasise is _ hiring more people but what i'm trying to emphasise is that - trying to emphasise is that it's not— trying to emphasise is that it's noti'ust _ trying to emphasise is that it's not just about - trying to emphasise is thatj it's not just about throwing more — it's not just about throwing more people _ it's not just about throwing more people at _ it's not just about throwing more people at the - it's not just about throwing . more people at the problem, it's about _ more people at the problem, it's about having _ more people at the problem, it's about having the - more people at the problem, it's about having the systemi it's about having the system work — it's about having the system work more _ it's about having the system work more efficiently - it's about having the system work more efficiently and i it's about having the system| work more efficiently and we have — work more efficiently and we have shown _ work more efficiently and we have shown it _ work more efficiently and we have shown it can _ work more efficiently and we have shown it can be - work more efficiently and we have shown it can be done i work more efficiently and we i have shown it can be done but it's incredibly hard. _ have shown it can be done but it's incredibly hard. on - have shown it can be done but it's incredibly hard.— it's incredibly hard. ok. the 40 new hospitals _ it's incredibly hard. ok. the 40 new hospitals in - it's incredibly hard. ok. the. 40 new hospitals in england, the word new is questioned by a lot of people. and the word 40. by lot of people. and the word 40. by the national audit office. are you happy with how you describe that programme? yes. describe that programme? yes, i'll five describe that programme? yes, ill give you _ describe that programme? yes, ill give you an _ describe that programme? yes, i'll give you an example. - i'll give you an example. before _ i'll give you an example. before you _ i'll give you an example. before you do, - i'll give you an example. before you do, it- i'll give you an example. before you do, it wasn't| i'll give you an example. i before you do, it wasn't 40 i'll give you an example. - before you do, it wasn't 40 new hospitals. yes, because... that can be defined as a new wing or

a refurbished hospital. thea;r a refurbished hospital. they word 40- — a refurbished hospital. they word 40. take _ a refurbished hospital. they word 40. take my - a refurbished hospital. they word 40. take my local- a refurbished hospital. they word 40. take my local example, the worst— word 40. take my local example, the worst suffolk _ word 40. take my local example, the worst suffolk hospital, - the worst suffolk hospital, built — the worst suffolk hospital, built in _ the worst suffolk hospital, built in a, _ the worst suffolk hospital, built in a, with _ the worst suffolk hospital, built in a, with an- built in a, with an architecture, - built in a, with an architecture, that built in a, with an- architecture, that means it built in a, with an— architecture, that means it is in urgent _ architecture, that means it is in urgent need _ architecture, that means it is in urgent need of— architecture, that means it is in urgent need of updating, i architecture, that means it is l in urgent need of updating, and there _ in urgent need of updating, and there will— in urgent need of updating, and there will be _ in urgent need of updating, and there will be a _ in urgent need of updating, and there will be a new _ in urgent need of updating, and there will be a new hospital- in urgent need of updating, and there will be a new hospital in l there will be a new hospital in west— there will be a new hospital in west suffolk, _ there will be a new hospital in west suffolk, replacing - there will be a new hospital in west suffolk, replacing the i there will be a new hospital in i west suffolk, replacing the one that needs _ west suffolk, replacing the one that needs replacing. _ west suffolk, replacing the one that needs replacing. it's - that needs replacing. it's still_ that needs replacing. it's still a _ that needs replacing. it's still a new— that needs replacing. it's still a new hospital. - that needs replacing. it'sl still a new hospital. other knocking _ still a new hospital. other knocking down _ still a new hospital. other knocking down the - still a new hospital. other knocking down the old - still a new hospital. other. knocking down the old one? effectively _ knocking down the old one? effectively-— effectively. let's go through the 39 of — effectively. let's go through the 39 of them. _ effectively. let's go through the 39 of them. new - effectively. let's go through the 39 of them. new being l the 39 of them. new being operative- _ the 39 of them. new being operative. that's _ the 39 of them. new being operative. that's a - the 39 of them. new being operative. that's a new - operative. that's a new hospital. one example. we are going through all of them. i going through all of them. i know them inside out! cambridge cairns_ know them inside out! cambridge cairns hospital, _ know them inside out! cambridge cairns hospital, you _ know them inside out! cambridge cairns hospital, you might- know them inside out! cambridge cairns hospital, you might say. cairns hospital, you might say that only— cairns hospital, you might say that only a _ cairns hospital, you might say that only a wing. _ cairns hospital, you might say that only a wing. it _ cairns hospital, you might say that only a wing. it is- cairns hospital, you might say that only a wing. it is not- cairns hospital, you might say that only a wing. it is not a - that only a wing. it is not a wing, _ that only a wing. it is not a wing, a _ that only a wing. it is not a wing, a new— that only a wing. it is not a wing, a new cancer- that only a wing. it is not al wing, a new cancer hospital that only a wing. it is not a i wing, a new cancer hospital in cambridga _ wing, a new cancer hospital in cambridge. yes, _ wing, a new cancer hospital in cambridge. yes, 40 _ wing, a new cancer hospital in cambridge. yes, 40 new- cambridge. yes, 40 new hospitals _ cambridge. yes, 40 new hospitats-_ cambridge. yes, 40 new hositals. ., , hospitals. all of them properly new with a _ hospitals. all of them properly new with a new _ hospitals. all of them properly new with a new sign _ hospitals. all of them properly new with a new sign on - hospitals. all of them properly new with a new sign on a - hospitals. all of them properly new with a new sign on a new| new with a new sign on a new bit of— new with a new sign on a new bit of land _ new with a new sign on a new bit of land that wasn't there

before? _ bit of land that wasn't there before? , ,. ., before? even the department of health released _ before? even the department of health released guidance - before? even the department of health released guidance last i health released guidance last year saying the new credit mean a new hospital like your one, it could mean wing, it could simply mean a bit of upgrading. no. no, that is true. that is true, they released in august after you left last year. {at} after you left last year. 40 new hospitals. _ after you left last year. 40 new hospitals. one last thing. you, like all of us, must a bit obsessed with every twist of turn of covid and change of the genome. can you still keep an eye on what's happening with a virus? . . eye on what's happening with a virus? , . , ._ ., . virus? yes, and i stay in touch with some _ virus? yes, and i stay in touch with some clinicians _ virus? yes, and i stay in touch with some clinicians i - virus? yes, and i stay in touch with some clinicians i worked l with some clinicians i worked closely — with some clinicians i worked closely with _ with some clinicians i worked closely with and _ with some clinicians i worked closely with and i _ with some clinicians i worked closely with and i am - with some clinicians i worked closely with and i am pretty, | closely with and i am pretty, at the — closely with and i am pretty, at the moment, _ closely with and i am pretty, at the moment, it's - closely with and i am pretty, l at the moment, it's endemic. closely with and i am pretty, i at the moment, it's endemic. it would _ at the moment, it's endemic. it would have _ at the moment, it's endemic. it would have to _ at the moment, it's endemic. it would have to be _ at the moment, it's endemic. it would have to be essentially- at the moment, it's endemic. it would have to be essentially a i would have to be essentially a new disease _ would have to be essentially a new disease for— would have to be essentially a new disease for us _ would have to be essentially a new disease for us to - would have to be essentially a new disease for us to be - would have to be essentially a new disease for us to be back| new disease for us to be back into— new disease for us to be back into pandemic— new disease for us to be back into pandemic territory. - new disease for us to be back into pandemic territory. you i into pandemic territory. you can — into pandemic territory. you can never— into pandemic territory. you can never allow _ into pandemic territory. you can never allow a _ into pandemic territory. you can never allow a new - into pandemic territory. you l can never allow a new disease and they— can never allow a new disease and they will— can never allow a new disease and they will be _ can never allow a new disease and they will be more. - can never allow a new disease and they will be more. in- can never allow a new disease and they will be more. in ouri and they will be more. in our lifetimes _ and they will be more. in our lifetimes-_ lifetimes. that's for sure.

have you _ lifetimes. that's for sure. have you ever _ lifetimes. that's for sure. have you ever considered i lifetimes. that's for sure. i have you ever considered if you're covid rule breaking could you did it anyway to boris johnson's could you did it anyway to borisjohnson's downfall? i don't think so. boris johnson's downfall? i don't think so.— don't think so. no? i don't think s0- _ don't think so. no? i don't think so. you _ don't think so. no? i don't think so. you know, - don't think so. no? i don't think so. you know, i- don't think so. no? i don't - think so. you know, i resigned and _ think so. you know, i resigned and the — think so. you know, i resigned and the question— think so. you know, i resigned and the question is— think so. you know, i resigned and the question is different . and the question is different when — and the question is different when it— and the question is different when it comes _ and the question is different when it comes to _ and the question is different when it comes to a - and the question is different when it comes to a prime i when it comes to a prime minister— when it comes to a prime minister because - when it comes to a prime minister because there i when it comes to a prime. minister because there are when it comes to a prime - minister because there are so ntany— minister because there are so many other— minister because there are so many other things _ minister because there are so many other things like - minister because there are so many other things like the . minister because there are so. many other things like the war, for instance. _ many other things like the war, for instance, i— many other things like the war, for instance, i wasn't _ for instance, i wasn't corralling _ for instance, i wasn't corralling the, - for instance, i wasn't corralling the, west. for instance, i wasn't - corralling the, west standing up corralling the, west standing up to— corralling the, west standing up to an _ corralling the, west standing up to an evil, _ corralling the, west standing up to an evil, aggressive - up to an evil, aggressive killer~ _ up to an evil, aggressive killer. ., ., ~' up to an evil, aggressive killer. . ~ ., killer. looking back on handling _ killer. looking back on handling of _ killer. looking back on handling of is - killer. looking back on handling of is there . killer. looking back on - handling of is there anything you regret?— handling of is there anything ou rearet? , . �*, you regret? oh, my god. that's a whole new— you regret? oh, my god. that's a whole new newscast. - a whole new newscast. obviously. _ a whole new newscast. - obviously, and less. when you are making _ obviously, and less. when you are making ttig— obviously, and less. when you are making big decisions, - are making big decisions, you hope that— are making big decisions, you hope that you _ are making big decisions, you hope that you get _ are making big decisions, you hope that you get the - are making big decisions, you hope that you get the vast - hope that you get the vast majority _ hope that you get the vast majority of _ hope that you get the vast majority of them - hope that you get the vast majority of them right. - hope that you get the vast majority of them right. no human— majority of them right. no human being _ majority of them right. no human being gets- majority of them right. no human being gets all- majority of them right. no human being gets all the i human being gets all the decisions _ human being gets all the decisions right— human being gets all the decisions right and - human being gets all the decisions right and what| human being gets all the . decisions right and what you need — decisions right and what you need to— decisions right and what you need to do— decisions right and what you need to do is _ decisions right and what you need to do is constantly - decisions right and what you i need to do is constantly update them — need to do is constantly update them we — need to do is constantly update them we were _ need to do is constantly update them. we were often _ need to do is constantly update. them. we were often accused of u-turns — them. we were often accused of u-turns but _ them. we were often accused of u—turns but often _ them. we were often accused of u—turns but often it _ them. we were often accused of u—turns but often it was - them. we were often accused of u—turns but often it was we - u—turns but often it was we made — u—turns but often it was we made this—

u—turns but often it was we made this decision - u—turns but often it was we made this decision becausej u—turns but often it was we i made this decision because we thought— made this decision because we thought it _ made this decision because we thought it was _ made this decision because we thought it was the _ made this decision because we thought it was the best - made this decision because we thought it was the best call- made this decision because we thought it was the best call in. thought it was the best call in the circumstances, _ thought it was the best call in the circumstances, either- thought it was the best call in the circumstances, either thej the circumstances, either the way— the circumstances, either the way it— the circumstances, either the way it paired _ the circumstances, either the way it paired out— the circumstances, either the way it paired out was - the circumstances, either the way it paired out was not- way it paired out was not accurate _ way it paired out was not accurate or— way it paired out was not accurate or we _ way it paired out was not accurate or we didn't, i way it paired out was not| accurate or we didn't, we way it paired out was not- accurate or we didn't, we have -ot accurate or we didn't, we have got your— accurate or we didn't, we have got your information. - accurate or we didn't, we have got your information. i- accurate or we didn't, we have got your information. i have i got your information. i have talked — got your information. i have talked before _ got your information. i have talked before about - got your information. i have talked before about how- got your information. i havej talked before about how the rules — talked before about how the rules out _ talked before about how the rules out there _ talked before about how the rules out there interpreted i rules out there interpreted around _ rules out there interpreted around funerals _ rules out there interpreted around funerals was - rules out there interpreted around funerals was that l around funerals was that sometimes _ around funerals was that sometimes parents - around funerals was that i sometimes parents didn't around funerals was that - sometimes parents didn't go to their— sometimes parents didn't go to their child's _ sometimes parents didn't go to their child's funeral, _ sometimes parents didn't go to their child's funeral, that's - their child's funeral, that's not — their child's funeral, that's not what _ their child's funeral, that's not what we _ their child's funeral, that's not what we intended. - their child's funeral, that's not what we intended. i i not what we intended. i massively _ not what we intended. i massively regret - not what we intended. i massively regret that. not what we intended. i l massively regret that we not what we intended. i - massively regret that we got, the way— massively regret that we got, the way those _ massively regret that we got, the way those rules _ massively regret that we got, the way those rules panned . massively regret that we got, i the way those rules panned out on the — the way those rules panned out on the ground _ the way those rules panned out on the ground was _ the way those rules panned out on the ground was not- the way those rules panned out on the ground was not what - the way those rules panned out| on the ground was not what was intended — on the ground was not what was intended and _ on the ground was not what was intended and terrible, _ on the ground was not what was intended and terrible, and - 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particularly by sunday into tuesday. the met office have issued an amber warning for extreme heat across much of england and wales. we're likely to see widespread impacts from this spell of severe heat. health impacts notjust for the vulnerable. we could see transport disruption, potentially disruption to energy supplies as well. so, certainly some severe weather on the way with those exceptionally high temperatures sunday to tuesday. back to the here and now, for friday morning, we're going to be seeing a few splashes of rain across scotland, northern england, too. any showers quickly clearing from northern ireland. stays dry all day for southern england and wales. plenty of spells of sunshine coming through, and again it is going to feel warm. so, highs in the south 25—26 degrees. we're looking at the high teens or low 20s across scotland and northern ireland. moving through into friday evening, any of those showers in the north fading away fairly quickly, so it is dry, it's clear. we'll see a little bit of a warmer night as we head into the early hours of saturday. still reasonably fresh across parts of scotland and northern ireland. we could see single

figures here, but down towards the south, we're are looking at mid—teens, i think, to start off your weekend. now, through saturday, a bit more cloud and a few spots of rain for the far north—west of scotland. dry elsewhere with strong sunshine, very high levels of uv this time of year. so, those temperatures starting to pick up. the mid to high 20s across england and wales, the low 20s for scotland and for northern ireland. those temperatures continue to build then day on day. this is how sunday's looking. perhaps the odd rogue shower for scotland, dry, hot and sunny elsewhere. the hottest spots in the low 30s, i think, across much of central and southern england. even further north and west, we're looking at the mid to the high 20s. by the time we get to monday, that heat becomes more extensive across the map, so more of us will see temperatures in the mid, possibly high 30s, potentially record—breaking temperatures by the time we get to tuesday. one or two spots potentially 38—39 degrees as well, so temperatures like that, we don't see them very often here in the uk. they are going to cause some significant disruption. do make plans for monday into tuesday. we could see those temperatures near 40 degrees in a few spots.

thundery breakdown at last on the way by wednesday. bye— bye.

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