hello and welcome to dateline, the programme bringing leading columnist with foreign correspondents who write and podcasts. in israel, the coalition has collapsed, joe biden has been in the middle east. they and the israelis want the us to pledge actions against chiron. ——

iran. in a context of tax cuts, is that the answer to what even ministers described as a cost of living crisis? in the studio, stephanie baker,... stephanie based living crisis? in the studio, stephanie based in london since the late 19705. and even has reported from all around the middle east and was a speech writer on the thin conservative leader david cameron's campaign —— ian. le5 began in the middle east. —— let's begin. joe biden is involved in this trip. then saudi arabia. what does he want from

this visit, and what is he seeking from saudi arabia i think this is a trip that you could say he didn't want to trip that you could say he didn't want tu . ~ trip that you could say he didn't want t. . ~ , trip that you could say he didn't wantt , ., ,., want to make. it is controversial because mohammed's _ want to make. it is controversial because mohammed's record . want to make. it is controversial because mohammed's record oni want to make. it is controversial - because mohammed's record on human rights. biden has billed this as right5. biden has billed this as about regional 5ecurity, about fo5tering greater ties between israel and arab countries. building possibly extending the human cea5e—fire —— yemen. it is ultimately about getting more oil from saudi arabia. he's unlikely to leave with any concrete on that

front. but some people are viewing this as a reward for 0pec committing to increase production injune. but in reality, i think the scope for both saudi arabia and the emirates to increase production is pretty limited. i think they have the capacity to increase production by something like 3 million barrels a day at best. it something like 3 million barrels a day at best-— day at best. it sounds a lot, but it's not really. _ day at best. it sounds a lot, but it's not really. it's _ day at best. it sounds a lot, but it's not really. it's like - day at best. it sounds a lot, but it's not really. it's like 4096 - day at best. it sounds a lot, but it's not really. it's like 4096 of. it's not really. it's like 4096 of ulobal it's not really. it's like 4096 of global output. _ it's not really. it's like 4096 of global output. seeing - it's not really. it's like 4096 of global output. seeing as - it's not really. it's like 4096 of global output. seeing as the i it's not really. it's like 4096 of- global output. seeing as the amount russia might produce and be taken out by sanctions, it's not going to move the dial much in terms of pressing the pump, so to speak. whatever happened to energy independence? i whatever happened to energy independence?— whatever happened to energy independence? whatever happened to energy indeendence? ~ . ., independence? i think that was more of a trump slogan, _

independence? i think that was more of a trump slogan, a _ independence? i think that was more of a trump slogan, a bit _ independence? i think that was more of a trump slogan, a bit of _ independence? i think that was more of a trump slogan, a bit of bravado, | of a trump 5logan, a bit of bravado, divorced from reality. the us is a major world producer of oil and energy, but it's not like the us import energy product5 —— did not import. ru55ia, import energy product5 —— did not import. russia, for instance, accounts for about 8% of us oil imports. the us is tightly integrated with world oil markets, 5o integrated with world oil markets, so i think that was a bit of a misnomer and it's being used by republicans to attack biden. he really needs to do something ahead of the midterm5 to try to show that he is responding to these rising energy... he is responding to these rising ener: ., ., , ,, energy... the relationship between mohammed — energy... the relationship between mohammed bin _ energy... the relationship between mohammed bin salman, _ energy. .. the relationship between mohammed bin salman, or- energy... the relationship between mohammed bin salman, or mbs, l energy... the relationship between | mohammed bin salman, or m35, as energy... the relationship between - mohammed bin salman, or m35, as they mohammed bin salman, or mbs, as they call him, not least of the then

president's 5on—in—law, doesn't think that saudi �*5 can offer much. are they plea5ed think that saudi �*5 can offer much. are they pleased by this visit or do they remain 5ceptic5? the? are they pleased by this visit or do they remain sceptics?— are they pleased by this visit or do they remain sceptics? they are very sce tic. they remain sceptics? they are very sceptic- biden _ they remain sceptics? they are very sceptic. biden was _ they remain sceptics? they are very sceptic. biden was very _ they remain sceptics? they are very sceptic. biden was very tough - they remain sceptics? they are very sceptic. biden was very tough with i sceptic. biden was very tough with the saudi — sceptic. biden was very tough with the saudi. he said he will isolate the conference.— the conference. crosstalk also, he — the conference. crosstalk also, he actually _ the conference. crosstalk also, he actually avoided i the conference. crosstalk i also, he actually avoided most the conference. crosstalk - also, he actually avoided most of middle _ also, he actually avoided most of middle eastern leaders, to be honest — middle eastern leaders, to be honest. they've been ceasing in egypt _ honest. they've been ceasing in egypt and — honest. they've been ceasing in egypt and the middle east. sol believe — egypt and the middle east. sol believe he is now there, saying "i'm sorryf' _ believe he is now there, saying "i'm sorryf' he _ believe he is now there, saying "i'm sorry." he want to achieve four things — sorry." he want to achieve four things. first to salvage the relationship between united states and saudi arabia, which lasted for eight _ and saudi arabia, which lasted for eight years and recently, it has been _ eight years and recently, it has been deteriorated completely. the

second _ been deteriorated completely. the second thing is put pressure on the saudi _ second thing is put pressure on the saudi emirates and other oil producers to increase their production, hoping that they can actually— production, hoping that they can actually bring the prices down. you said what actually bring the prices down. you. said what stephanie says about the marginal impact. the said what stephanie says about the marginal impact-— marginal impact. the third thing is how to integrate _ marginal impact. the third thing is how to integrate israel— marginal impact. the third thing is how to integrate israel and - marginal impact. the third thing is how to integrate israel and middle j how to integrate israel and middle east to— how to integrate israel and middle east to make some sort of integration and to be an integral part by— integration and to be an integral part by normalisation. the fourth thing _ part by normalisation. the fourth thing was — part by normalisation. the fourth thing was very important, how to confronl— thing was very important, how to confront the iranian. it's considered a threat to the middle east and — considered a threat to the middle east and the american, and he actually— east and the american, and he actually declared when he visited israel— actually declared when he visited israel that they will prevent iranian— israel that they will prevent iranian from producing weapon. he is saying _ iranian from producing weapon. he is saying he _ iranian from producing weapon. he is saying he wants to establish some sort of _ saying he wants to establish some sort of arab nato in order to confronlm _ sort of arab nato in order to confront. . ._

sort of arab nato in order to confront... . , ., ., ., ., confront... ian before we move on to iran, confront... ian before we move on to lran. when — confront... ian before we move on to lran. when joe _ confront... ian before we move on to iran, when joe biden _ confront... ian before we move on to iran, when joe biden was _ confront... ian before we move on to iran, when joe biden was in - confront... ian before we move on to iran, when joe biden was in israel, . iran, whenjoe biden was in israel, he said he was pleased to be in jerusalem in the capital of israel, which was really a concession made by donald trump when he was president. at it's 5taying it's staying in it's 5taying injeru5alem. therefore palestinian backer5 in the arab world. how do you think donald trump has rewritten the rules of engagement?— has rewritten the rules of engagement? has rewritten the rules of enaraement? h , ., engagement? it's interesting that ou have engagement? it's interesting that you have biden — engagement? it's interesting that you have biden treading - engagement? it's interesting that you have biden treading in - engagement? it's interesting that you have biden treading in the - you have biden treading in the footsteps— you have biden treading in the footsteps of— you have biden treading in the footsteps of trump. _ you have biden treading in the footsteps of trump. he's - you have biden treading in the footsteps of trump. he's done you have biden treading in the - footsteps of trump. he's done very little on _ footsteps of trump. he's done very little on them _ footsteps of trump. he's done very little on the... he _ footsteps of trump. he's done very little on the... he paid _ footsteps of trump. he's done very little on the... he paid lip- footsteps of trump. he's done very little on the... he paid lip service l little on the... he paid lip service but there was _ little on the... he paid lip service but there was little _ little on the... he paid lip service but there was little there. - little on the... he paid lip service but there was little there. he - but there was little there. he did hardly— but there was little there. he did hardly anything _ but there was little there. he did hardly anything in _ but there was little there. he did hardly anything in terms - but there was little there. he did hardly anything in terms of- but there was little there. he did i hardly anything in terms of offering hope towards — hardly anything in terms of offering hope towards the _ hardly anything in terms of offering hope towards the palestinians. - hardly anything in terms of offering | hope towards the palestinians. very brief meeting — hope towards the palestinians. very brief meeting with _ hope towards the palestinians. very brief meeting with their— hope towards the palestinians. very

brief meeting with their leader. - hope towards the palestinians. very brief meeting with their leader. a l brief meeting with their leader. a little _ brief meeting with their leader. a little bit _ brief meeting with their leader. a little bit of— brief meeting with their leader. a little bit of aid — brief meeting with their leader. a little bit of aid and _ brief meeting with their leader. a little bit of aid and not _ brief meeting with their leader. a little bit of aid and not much - brief meeting with their leader. ai little bit of aid and not much more than that — little bit of aid and not much more than that and _ little bit of aid and not much more than that. and then _ little bit of aid and not much more than that. and then he's _ little bit of aid and not much more than that. and then he's having i little bit of aid and not much more than that. and then he's having toj than that. and then he's having to turn his— than that. and then he's having to turn his whole _ than that. and then he's having to turn his whole policy— than that. and then he's having to turn his whole policy upside - than that. and then he's having to turn his whole policy upside downl than that. and then he's having to i turn his whole policy upside down on saudi arabia — turn his whole policy upside down on saudi arabia. what _ turn his whole policy upside down on saudi arabia. what you're _ turn his whole policy upside down on saudi arabia. what you're seeing, i. saudi arabia. what you're seeing, i think. _ saudi arabia. what you're seeing, i think. is— saudi arabia. what you're seeing, i think. is the— saudi arabia. what you're seeing, i think, is the weakness _ saudi arabia. what you're seeing, i think, is the weakness of— saudi arabia. what you're seeing, i think, is the weakness ofjoe - saudi arabia. what you're seeing, ll think, is the weakness ofjoe biden, who is— think, is the weakness ofjoe biden, who is doing — think, is the weakness ofjoe biden, who is doing pretty— think, is the weakness ofjoe biden, who is doing pretty much— think, is the weakness ofjoe biden, who is doing pretty much what - think, is the weakness ofjoe biden, i who is doing pretty much what trump was doing _ who is doing pretty much what trump was doing in— who is doing pretty much what trump was doing in terms _ who is doing pretty much what trump was doing in terms of— who is doing pretty much what trump was doing in terms of policy- who is doing pretty much what trump was doing in terms of policy with i was doing in terms of policy with one or— was doing in terms of policy with one or two — was doing in terms of policy with one or two exception, _ was doing in terms of policy with one or two exception, and - was doing in terms of policy with one or two exception, and then. one or two exception, and then turning — one or two exception, and then turning around _ one or two exception, and then turning around all— one or two exception, and then turning around all the - one or two exception, and then turning around all the things i one or two exception, and then| turning around all the things he said earlier~ _ turning around all the things he said earlier. if— turning around all the things he said earlier. if i _ turning around all the things he said earlier. if i was _ turning around all the things he said earlier. if i was watching i said earlier. if i was watching outside. _ said earlier. if i was watching outside. it— said earlier. if i was watching outside. it i _ said earlier. if i was watching outside, if i was _ said earlier. if i was watching outside, if i was president. outside, if i was president zelensky, _ outside, if i was president zelensky, i'd _ outside, if i was president zelensky, i'd be— outside, if i was president zelensky, i'd be quite i outside, if i was president- zelensky, i'd be quite nervous because — zelensky, i'd be quite nervous because here's _ zelensky, i'd be quite nervous because here's america, i zelensky, i'd be quite nervousl because here's america, which zelensky, i'd be quite nervous- because here's america, which has betrayed _ because here's america, which has betrayed afghanistan, _ because here's america, which has betrayed afghanistan, which - because here's america, which has betrayed afghanistan, which is- because here's america, which has betrayed afghanistan, which is in. betrayed afghanistan, which is in the same — betrayed afghanistan, which is in the same to— betrayed afghanistan, which is in the same to iraq, _ betrayed afghanistan, which is in the same to iraq, and _ betrayed afghanistan, which is in the same to iraq, and is - betrayed afghanistan, which is in the same to iraq, and is now- betrayed afghanistan, which is in. the same to iraq, and is now turning turtle _ the same to iraq, and is now turning turtle on _ the same to iraq, and is now turning turtle on saudi — the same to iraq, and is now turning turtle on saudi arabia. _ the same to iraq, and is now turning turtle on saudi arabia. it's _ turtle on saudi arabia. it's not great — turtle on saudi arabia. it's not great when _ turtle on saudi arabia. it's not great when you _ turtle on saudi arabia. it's not great when you have - turtle on saudi arabia. it's not great when you have the - turtle on saudi arabia. it's not l great when you have the world's turtle on saudi arabia. it's not - great when you have the world's most important _ great when you have the world's most important democratic— great when you have the world's most important democratic power - great when you have the world's most important democratic power whose i important democratic power whose word seems— important democratic power whose word seems so— important democratic power whose word seems so subject _ important democratic power whose word seems so subject to - important democratic power whose word seems so subject to erosion. | word seems so subject to erosion. stephanie? — word seems so subject to erosion. stephanie? l— word seems so sub'ect to erosion. stemm— stephanie? i think part of the trip is about countering _ stephanie? i think part of the trip is about countering russian i stephanie? i think part of the trip is about countering russian and l is about countering russian and chinese influence. i think that is very much on the agenda. in dubai, you see all these russians moving

into avoid sanctions, and that's happening behind the scenes, and i'm sure they'll be word5 happening behind the scenes, and i'm sure they'll be words about that. so i think it's hard to determine whether or not this will be a success orju5t whether or not this will be a success or just a whether or not this will be a success orju5t a complete waste of time in the end. the fact that it's taken so long to happen, that he's beenin taken so long to happen, that he's been in office for a year and a half and he's not made any trip to the middle east and he's made several trips to europe, i think it's long overdue and attempt to re—engage and i agree with kari, that the threat from iran hangs over this whole trip. i think it's a sign of how iran is a greater threat and the palestinian i55ue iran is a greater threat and the palestinian issue has receded. they're willing to put the coalition against iran. they're willing to put the coalition against "an-—

against iran. there is a race now between the _ against iran. there is a race now between the american _ against iran. there is a race now between the american and i against iran. there is a race now between the american and the l against iran. there is a race now- between the american and the russian on the _ between the american and the russian on the region. the foreign minister of russia _ on the region. the foreign minister of russia was there, and putin is going _ of russia was there, and putin is going to — of russia was there, and putin is going to visit tehran next week. so i going to visit tehran next week. so i believe _ going to visit tehran next week. so i believe you will strike some sort of alliance — i believe you will strike some sort of alliance with the iranians, saying — of alliance with the iranians, saying maybe supply them with 400 missiles _ saying maybe supply them with 400 missiles. whether he will learn from that, how— missiles. whether he will learn from that, how to— missiles. whether he will learn from that, how to confront the sanctions against _ that, how to confront the sanctions against iran. i believe middle eastern — against iran. i believe middle eastern people lost trust on the american. — eastern people lost trust on the american, to be honest, because biden— american, to be honest, because biden was— american, to be honest, because biden was championing human rights, against _ biden was championing human rights, against the _ biden was championing human rights, against the death of the saudi journalist, saying he would not shake — journalist, saying he would not shake hands with mohammed bin salman — shake hands with mohammed bin salman. now he is turning everything around _ salman. now he is turning everything around and _ salman. now he is turning everything around and trying to save himself.

0il oil gas —wise, which is the name of the game — 0il gas —wise, which is the name of the game it— oil gas -wise, which is the name of the name. . , , , oil gas -wise, which is the name of the ame. . , , , , ., the game. it raises this question that it's a bit _ the game. it raises this question that it's a bit like _ the game. it raises this question that it's a bit like back— the game. it raises this question that it's a bit like back to - the game. it raises this question that it's a bit like back to the i that it's a bit like back to the future. it's divided between the russian side just as between the west and the soviets. now we hear from fiery that the same thing is happening. from fiery that the same thing is happening-— from fiery that the same thing is haueninu.~ . ~ , ., . happening. what i think it is tragic about western _ happening. what i think it is tragic about western policy _ happening. what i think it is tragic about western policy is _ happening. what i think it is tragic about western policy is that i happening. what i think it is tragic about western policy is that in i about western policy is that in their— about western policy is that in their efforts _ about western policy is that in their efforts to _ about western policy is that in their efforts to curtail- about western policy is that in their efforts to curtail iran, i about western policy is that in their efforts to curtail iran, allj their efforts to curtail iran, all they've — their efforts to curtail iran, all they've done _ their efforts to curtail iran, all they've done is _ their efforts to curtail iran, all they've done is strengthen- their efforts to curtail iran, all. they've done is strengthen iran. invading — they've done is strengthen iran. invading irag— they've done is strengthen iran. invading iraq ended _ they've done is strengthen iran. i invading iraq ended up strengthening the hand _ invading iraq ended up strengthening the hand of— invading iraq ended up strengthening the hand of iran, _ invading iraq ended up strengthening the hand of iran, and _ invading iraq ended up strengthening the hand of iran, and again— invading iraq ended up strengthening the hand of iran, and again we're i the hand of iran, and again we're seeing— the hand of iran, and again we're seeing the— the hand of iran, and again we're seeing the same, _ the hand of iran, and again we're seeing the same, then— the hand of iran, and again we're seeing the same, then being i seeing the same, then being sluggish in their— seeing the same, then being sluggish in their response. _ seeing the same, then being sluggish in their response. they _ seeing the same, then being sluggish in their response. they gave - seeing the same, then being sluggish in their response. they gave a - in their response. they gave a banner— in their response. they gave a banner not _ in their response. they gave a banner not living _ in their response. they gave a banner not living up— in their response. they gave a banner not living up to - in their response. they gave a banner not living up to his- in their response. they gave a i banner not living up to his threat.

-- 0bama~ — banner not living up to his threat. -- 0bama~ that— banner not living up to his threat. —— 0bama. that gay— banner not living up to his threat. —— 0bama. that gay putin- —— that — — that gave —— that gave putin space. and it is a tragedy— —— that gave putin space. and it is a tragedy that _ —— that gave putin space. and it is a tragedy that every— —— that gave putin space. and it is a tragedy that every step, - —— that gave putin space. and it is a tragedy that every step, all i —— that gave putin space. and it is a tragedy that every step, all the i a tragedy that every step, all the american — a tragedy that every step, all the american and _ a tragedy that every step, all the american and western _ a tragedy that every step, all the american and western policy- a tragedy that every step, all the american and western policy is l american and western policy is enhancing _ american and western policy is enhancing and _ american and western policy is enhancing and helping - american and western policy is enhancing and helping because american and western policy is i enhancing and helping because it's being _ enhancing and helping because it's being so— enhancing and helping because it's being so badly— enhancing and helping because it's being so badly done. _ enhancing and helping because it's being so badly done.— enhancing and helping because it's being so badly done. stephanie, the temora being so badly done. stephanie, the temporary caretaker _ being so badly done. stephanie, the temporary caretaker prime - being so badly done. stephanie, the temporary caretaker prime minister| temporary caretaker prime minister of israel, now that this government has collapsed, it is covered before, they might signed a deal if they were beefed up. becau5e they might signed a deal if they were beefed up. because of the view, is the view this is no longer the game in town?—

is the view this is no longer the game in town? biden did say he wanted to revive _ game in town? biden did say he wanted to revive talks _ game in town? biden did say he wanted to revive talks with iran | wanted to revive talks with iran over a new creel deal. strange timing because many people he was going to meet, or very against the deal. so i think most people think that the iran deal is dead in the water, that it will be impossible to revive given everything that happened. but i don't think it's going to go anywhere at this point and there's so much opposition to it in congress right now. fine and there's so much opposition to it in congress right now.— in congress right now. one other thing that's _ in congress right now. one other thing that's worth _ in congress right now. one other thing that's worth touching i in congress right now. one other thing that's worth touching on i in congress right now. one other thing that's worth touching on is | thing that's worth touching on is just the politics in5ide thing that's worth touching on is just the politics inside of israel. thi5 coalition wa5 just the politics inside of israel. thi5 coalition was unique in the history of israel because for the first time, there were arab mini5ter5 observing. in the end, thati5 mini5ter5 observing. in the end, that is one reason it collapsed, but

do you think in any sense that has changed the dynamic within israel politics? could have a longer—term impact? it politics? could have a longer-term im act? ., , ., politics? could have a longer-term imact? ., , . politics? could have a longer-term imact? . , . ., ~ impact? it was a precedent and arab “oined the impact? it was a precedent and arab joined the israeli _ impact? it was a precedent and arab joined the israeli government - impact? it was a precedent and arab joined the israeli government for i joined the israeli government for the first— joined the israeli government for the first time or 74 years. it was a controversial— the first time or 74 years. it was a controversial thing among the arabs. so, controversial thing among the arabs. so. this— controversial thing among the arabs. so, this government did not last simply— so, this government did not last simply because it was about eight parties _ simply because it was about eight parties participating. with simply because it was about eight parties participating.— parties participating. with one because getting _ parties participating. with one because getting benjamin i parties participating. with one i because getting benjamin netanyahu off! because getting ben'amin netanyahu off! �* , . , because getting ben'amin netanyahu off! �*, ., off! there's politics in disarray. so, what will _ off! there's politics in disarray. so, what will happen, - off! there's politics in disarray. so, what will happen, there i off! there's politics in disarray. | so, what will happen, there will off! there's politics in disarray. i so, what will happen, there will be election— so, what will happen, there will be election in— so, what will happen, there will be election in coming november, so whether— election in coming november, so whether it's the fifth election in less than— whether it's the fifth election in less than four years, whether they will have _ less than four years, whether they will have a — less than four years, whether they will have a strong government. it means— will have a strong government. it means israel wouldn't be able to

decide _ means israel wouldn't be able to decide in— means israel wouldn't be able to decide in any of the issues, especially the solution. now the israeli _ especially the solution. now the israeli prime minister said that they— israeli prime minister said that they accepted the two state solution, but it isjust talks, no action — solution, but it isjust talks, no action. they are on the edge of the world _ action. they are on the edge of the world because of... and also in iran because _ world because of... and also in iran because iran — world because of... and also in iran because iran is on the edge of producing _ because iran is on the edge of producing nuclear weapons. so we expect— producing nuclear weapons. so we expect a _ producing nuclear weapons. so we expect a war any time in that part of the _ expect a war any time in that part of the world. the israeli are threatening that they are going to bombm _ threatening that they are going to bombm it — threatening that they are going to bomb... it is a state of uncertainty. bomb. .. it is a state of uncertainty.— bomb... it is a state of uncertain . , ., ., uncertainty. on the question of potentially some kind of i uncertainty. on the question of i potentially some kind of resolution in terms of israel and the palestinians, it looks pretty bleak. pale5tinian5, it looks pretty bleak. there's clearly not much warmth there. there are some americans who think... is not the greatest

interlocutor in terms of promoting the cause. do you sense in any way that this is making... it the cause. do you sense in any way that this is making. . ._ that this is making... it looks as bleak as it _ that this is making... it looks as bleak as it has _ that this is making... it looks as bleak as it has for _ that this is making... it looks as bleak as it has for a _ that this is making... it looks as bleak as it has for a long - that this is making... it looks as bleak as it has for a long time. i bleak as it has for a long time. there's— bleak as it has for a long time. there's not— bleak as it has for a long time. there's not a _ bleak as it has for a long time. there's not a commitment i bleak as it has for a long time. there's not a commitment to i bleak as it has for a long time. i there's not a commitment to do bleak as it has for a long time. - there's not a commitment to do that. normally— there's not a commitment to do that. normally the — there's not a commitment to do that. normally the pre—disasters _ there's not a commitment to do that. normally the pre—disasters going i normally the pre—disasters going there _ normally the pre—disasters going there at— normally the pre—disasters going there at least _ normally the pre—disasters going there at least pretend _ normally the pre—disasters going there at least pretend they have i normally the pre—disasters going i there at least pretend they have a plan to _ there at least pretend they have a plan to do — there at least pretend they have a plan to do something. _ there at least pretend they have a plan to do something. —— - plan to do something. —— predecessor. _ plan to do something. —— predecessor. the - plan to do something. —— i predecessor. the palestinian leadership— predecessor. the palestinian leadership is— predecessor. the palestinian leadership is terrible. - predecessor. the palestinian leadership is terrible. it i predecessor. the palestinian. leadership is terrible. it doesn't allow— leadership is terrible. it doesn't allow people _ leadership is terrible. it doesn't allow people a _ leadership is terrible. it doesn't allow people a voice. _ leadership is terrible. it doesn't allow people a voice. the - leadership is terrible. it doesn'tj allow people a voice. the israeli leadership— allow people a voice. the israeli leadership looks _ allow people a voice. the israeli leadership looks like _ allow people a voice. the israeli leadership looks like a - allow people a voice. the israeli leadership looks like a basket i allow people a voice. the israeli i leadership looks like a basket case. i leadership looks like a basket case. i would _ leadership looks like a basket case. i would like — leadership looks like a basket case. i would like to — leadership looks like a basket case. i would like to cpr _ leadership looks like a basket case. i would like to cpr here. _ leadership looks like a basket case. i would like to cpr here. —— - leadership looks like a basket case. i would like to cpr here. —— pr- i would like to cpr here. —— pr here~ _ i would like to cpr here. —— pr here it's — i would like to cpr here. —— pr here. it's become _ i would like to cpr here. —— pr here. it's become impossible l i would like to cpr here. —— pr| here. it's become impossible to i would like to cpr here. —— pr- here. it's become impossible to find a strong _ here. it's become impossible to find a strong and — here. it's become impossible to find a strong and stable _ here. it's become impossible to find a strong and stable government. i a strong and stable government. there's— a strong and stable government. there's one _

a strong and stable government. there's one point _ a strong and stable government. there's one point that's - a strong and stable government. i there's one point that's important. now the _ there's one point that's important. now the extremists are having the upper— now the extremists are having the upper hand. simply because people are frustrated. there is no hope form _ are frustrated. there is no hope form biden— are frustrated. there is no hope for... biden did not pay any attention— for... biden did not pay any attention to a solution, even still on them — attention to a solution, even still on the... you never establish a consulate~ _ on the... you never establish a consulate~ i_ on the... you never establish a consulate. i think this added to their— consulate. i think this added to their problems.— consulate. i think this added to their problems. let's move on to talk about _ their problems. let's move on to talk about the _ their problems. let's move on to talk about the british _ talk about the british conservatives. ian, you have this past connection with the british conservative party. we have the top three candidates. there is the first of a number of debates taking place.

they will continue beyond the weekend is the number of candidates reduced on monday. mp5 whittling the list down. the three frontrunners are clear — rishi sunak, liz tru55 and any mordaunt, who is relatively unknown junior minister. and any mordaunt, who is relatively unknownjunior minister. —— penny mourdant. what might this mean if anything different for britain? i anything different for britain? i think it will because they're not boris _ think it will because they're not borisjohnson _ think it will because they're not borisjohnson or— think it will because they're not boris johnson or theresa - think it will because they're not boris johnson or theresa may. think it will because they're not i boris johnson or theresa may and each _ boris johnson or theresa may and each brings— boris johnson or theresa may and each brings a _ boris johnson or theresa may and each brings a different _ boris johnson or theresa may and each brings a different character. | each brings a different character. it's each brings a different character. it's been — each brings a different character. it's been very— each brings a different character. it's been very interesting - each brings a different character. it's been very interesting to i each brings a different character. it's been very interesting to see. it's been very interesting to see how far— it's been very interesting to see how far the _ it's been very interesting to see how far the conservative - it's been very interesting to see how far the conservative party. it's been very interesting to see i how far the conservative party has moved _ how far the conservative party has moved. everyone _ how far the conservative party has moved. everyone is _ how far the conservative party has moved. everyone is now— how far the conservative party has moved. everyone is now a - how far the conservative party has i moved. everyone is now a brexiteer. no one _ moved. everyone is now a brexiteer. no one accepts — moved. everyone is now a brexiteer. no one accepts that _ moved. everyone is now a brexiteer. no one accepts that brexit _ moved. everyone is now a brexiteer. no one accepts that brexit caused i no one accepts that brexit caused any problems _ no one accepts that brexit caused any problems. even _ no one accepts that brexit caused any problems. even the _ no one accepts that brexit caused any problems. even the most i no one accepts that brexit caused - any problems. even the most moderate candidates _ any problems. even the most moderate candidates except— any problems. even the most moderate candidates except the _ any problems. even the most moderate candidates except the row— any problems. even the most moderate

candidates except the row and - any problems. even the most moderate candidates except the row and deal, i candidates except the row and deal, everyone _ candidates except the row and deal, everyone signed _ candidates except the row and deal, everyone signed up— candidates except the row and deal, everyone signed up to _ candidates except the row and deal, everyone signed up to that, - candidates except the row and deal, everyone signed up to that, which i candidates except the row and deal, everyone signed up to that, which is as a sign— everyone signed up to that, which is as a sign of— everyone signed up to that, which is as a sign of where _ everyone signed up to that, which is as a sign of where they _ everyone signed up to that, which is as a sign of where they are - everyone signed up to that, which is as a sign of where they are also i as a sign of where they are also rishi _ as a sign of where they are also rishi sunak— as a sign of where they are also rishi sunak has _ as a sign of where they are also rishi sunak has been _ as a sign of where they are also rishi sunak has been putting i as a sign of where they are also i rishi sunak has been putting out... he saying _ rishi sunak has been putting out... he saying they— rishi sunak has been putting out... he saying they can't _ rishi sunak has been putting out... he saying they can't do _ rishi sunak has been putting out... he saying they can't do any- rishi sunak has been putting out... he saying they can't do any tax i rishi sunak has been putting out... j he saying they can't do any tax cuts now _ he saying they can't do any tax cuts now. essentially, _ he saying they can't do any tax cuts now. essentially, everyone - he saying they can't do any tax cuts now. essentially, everyone is - now. essentially, everyone is getting — now. essentially, everyone is getting away— now. essentially, everyone is getting away with _ now. essentially, everyone is getting away with saying i now. essentially, everyone isj getting away with saying they now. essentially, everyone is i getting away with saying they want tax cuts _ getting away with saying they want tax cuts not — getting away with saying they want tax cuts not defining _ getting away with saying they want tax cuts not defining what - getting away with saying they want tax cuts not defining what is - getting away with saying they want tax cuts not defining what is the... j tax cuts not defining what is the... crosstalk — crosstalk but it's different characters with each _ but it's different characters with each of — but it's different characters with each of them _ but it's different characters with each of them. liz— but it's different characters with each of them. liz truss - but it's different characters with each of them. liz truss is - but it's different characters with each of them. liz truss is a i but it's different characters with each of them. liz truss is a kind but it's different characters with i each of them. liz truss is a kind of want _ each of them. liz truss is a kind of want to— each of them. liz truss is a kind of want to be — each of them. liz truss is a kind of want to be margaret _ each of them. liz truss is a kind of want to be margaret thatcher. i each of them. liz truss is a kind ofi want to be margaret thatcher. rishi sunak. _ want to be margaret thatcher. rishi sunak. a _ want to be margaret thatcher. rishi sunak. a very— want to be margaret thatcher. rishi sunak, a very smart— want to be margaret thatcher. rishi sunak, a very smart guy, _ want to be margaret thatcher. rishi sunak, a very smart guy, but - want to be margaret thatcher. rishi sunak, a very smart guy, but to i want to be margaret thatcher. rishi . sunak, a very smart guy, but to some extent. possibly— sunak, a very smart guy, but to some extent, possibly hindered _ sunak, a very smart guy, but to some extent, possibly hindered by- sunak, a very smart guy, but to some extent, possibly hindered by the i extent, possibly hindered by the fact of— extent, possibly hindered by the fact of his — extent, possibly hindered by the fact of his wife's _ extent, possibly hindered by the fact of his wife's extreme - extent, possibly hindered by thel

fact of his wife's extreme wealth. and he _ fact of his wife's extreme wealth. and he kept— fact of his wife's extreme wealth. and he kept the _ fact of his wife's extreme wealth. and he kept the green— fact of his wife's extreme wealth. and he kept the green card... i fact of his wife's extreme wealth. . and he kept the green card... after he became a politician. crosstalk and with the inflation and cost of living _ and with the inflation and cost of living issues, _ and with the inflation and cost of living issues, that _ and with the inflation and cost of living issues, that is _ and with the inflation and cost of| living issues, that is problematic. penny— living issues, that is problematic. penny mourdant— living issues, that is problematic. penny mourdant is _ living issues, that is problematic. penny mourdant is a _ living issues, that is problematic. penny mourdant is a sort - living issues, that is problematic. penny mourdant is a sort of- living issues, that is problematic. penny mourdant is a sort of link. penny mourdant is a sort of link candidates, _ penny mourdant is a sort of link candidates, which _ penny mourdant is a sort of link candidates, which is... - penny mourdant is a sort of link candidates, which is... —— - penny mourdant is a sort of link candidates, which is... —— a i penny mourdant is a sort of link. candidates, which is... —— a blank candidates, which is... —— a blank can best — candidates, which is... —— a blank can best its— candidates, which is... —— a blank can best. it's really— candidates, which is... —— a blank can best. it's really interesting, . can best. it's really interesting, she has— can best. it's really interesting, she has a — can best. it's really interesting, she has a sort— can best. it's really interesting, she has a sort of— can best. it's really interesting, she has a sort of navy - can best. it's really interesting, i she has a sort of navy background which _ she has a sort of navy background which always — she has a sort of navy background which always takes _ she has a sort of navy background which always takes my _ she has a sort of navy background which always takes my boxes. i she has a sort of navy background j which always takes my boxes. she she has a sort of navy background i which always takes my boxes. she is an interesting — which always takes my boxes. she is an interesting potpourri _ which always takes my boxes. she is an interesting potpourri of— which always takes my boxes. she is an interesting potpourri of the - an interesting potpourri of the policies — an interesting potpourri of the policies l— an interesting potpourri of the olicies. ., , an interesting potpourri of the olicies. , ., ., policies. i was standing next to her -a policies. i was standing next to her party trying — policies. i was standing next to her party trying to _ policies. i was standing next to her party trying to do _ policies. i was standing next to her party trying to do a _ policies. i was standing next to her party trying to do a broadcast i policies. i was standing next to her party trying to do a broadcast on i party trying to do a broadcast on wednesday, and there was a brass band playing notjust military themes, but even a selection from mary poppins, which i thought was rather intriguing. you're getting a spoonful of sugar to help the

medicine go down. i spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down.— spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down. i think this leadership _ medicine go down. i think this leadership race _ medicine go down. i think this leadership race is _ medicine go down. i think this leadership race is so - medicine go down. i think this leadership race is so different| leadership race is so different because there's no clear winner thu5 emerge quickly. the other thing is because the tories have been in power for 12 years, they're all coming out with these ways to fix variou5 coming out with these ways to fix various problems that we're facing for... running against the establishment that they don't anywhere —— bear any responsibility. i think all of them are barring ri5hi i think all of them are barring rishi sunak —— barring receipt sunak, are proposing tax cuts. i think that's not really going to cut it in the end. what we're facing in the winter is a very bleak scenario of energy crisis, ri5ing

the winter is a very bleak scenario of energy crisis, rising gas prices, who tend probably cutting off gas from europe —— vladimir putin cutting off gas. i don't think the nhs have the ideas to really solve the problems at hand. it's just remove remarkable that there's been four prime ministers in 12 years. how can you set policy effectively if there is so much cri5i5 how can you set policy effectively if there is so much crisis in your government?— government? i've been in this country for— government? i've been in this country for 40 _ government? i've been in this country for 40 years, - government? i've been in this country for 40 years, i've i government? i've been in this i country for 40 years, i've never seen — country for 40 years, i've never seen this— country for 40 years, i've never seen this country facing this trepidation. to be honest, problems, scandals. _ trepidation. to be honest, problems, scandals, stabbing in the back and you can _ scandals, stabbing in the back and you can see — scandals, stabbing in the back and you can see the political process is not as— you can see the political process is not as it _ you can see the political process is not as it used to be. i don't want to sound — not as it used to be. i don't want to sound like old man! laughter

this country _ to sound like old man! laughter this country is — to sound like old man! laughter this country is drowning, - to sound like old man! laughter this country is drowning, and i to sound like old man! laughter. this country is drowning, and there must be _ this country is drowning, and there must be strong leadership that conservative party, labour party, at least _ conservative party, labour party, at least the _ conservative party, labour party, at least the two pillars of the british politics— least the two pillars of the british politics have to work to save the country — politics have to work to save the country. we have inflation 10%. we have problems of energy. public services — have problems of energy. public services are really deteriorating, as stephanie said. this country should — as stephanie said. this country should be _ as stephanie said. this country should be safe. i think there is a chance _ should be safe. i think there is a chance how _ should be safe. i think there is a chance now. so i hope it will be fruitfuh — chance now. so i hope it will be fruitful. �* . chance now. so i hope it will be fruitful. �* , . fruitful. but we still have some time to wait — fruitful. but we still have some time to wait before _ fruitful. but we still have some time to wait before we - fruitful. but we still have some time to wait before we get - fruitful. but we still have some time to wait before we get a i fruitful. but we still have some i time to wait before we get a new prime minister. the other candidates are little will way back, kemi badenoch and tom tugendhat. we won't get a new prime minister until september. get a new prime minister until september-— get a new prime minister until se tember. �* , ., , september. and it is to win this battle, september. and it is to win this battle. you _ september. and it is to win this battle, you have _ september. and it is to win this battle, you have to _ september. and it is to win this battle, you have to appeal - september. and it is to win this

battle, you have to appeal first| september. and it is to win this l battle, you have to appeal first to mps in _ battle, you have to appeal first to mps in a — battle, you have to appeal first to mps in a party— battle, you have to appeal first to mps in a party that _ battle, you have to appeal first to mps in a party that is— battle, you have to appeal first to mps in a party that is made - battle, you have to appeal first to mps in a party that is made by. mps in a party that is made by brexit it _ mps in a party that is made by brexit. it has _ mps in a party that is made by brexit. it has shifted - mps in a party that is made by brexit. it has shifted to - mps in a party that is made by brexit. it has shifted to a - mps in a party that is made by| brexit. it has shifted to a more porwularm _ brexit. it has shifted to a more porwular... you _ brexit. it has shifted to a more pupular... you up— brexit. it has shifted to a more popular... you up to _ brexit. it has shifted to a more popular... you up to a - brexit. it has shifted to a more popular... you up to a field - brexit. it has shifted to a more popular... you up to a field toi brexit. it has shifted to a more i popular... you up to a field to the constituency — popular... you up to a field to the constituency activist _ popular... you up to a field to the constituency activist who - popular... you up to a field to the constituency activist who tend - popular... you up to a field to the constituency activist who tend to. popular... you up to a field to the i constituency activist who tend to be older and _ constituency activist who tend to be older and quite _ constituency activist who tend to be older and quite conservative. - constituency activist who tend to be older and quite conservative. thenl older and quite conservative. then you have _ older and quite conservative. then you have to— older and quite conservative. then you have to appeal— older and quite conservative. then you have to appeal to _ older and quite conservative. then you have to appeal to the - older and quite conservative. then you have to appeal to the whole i you have to appeal to the whole country — you have to appeal to the whole count . . . you have to appeal to the whole count . , , , ., , you have to appeal to the whole count . , , , .,, . country. this is the problem i have with this process. _ country. this is the problem i have with this process. we _ country. this is the problem i have with this process. we know- country. this is the problem i have with this process. we know that i country. this is the problem i have l with this process. we know that they are overwhelmingly white, mostly male, mostly older and more of them supported brexit in the country as a whole. i think it raises questions about the legitimacy of the government. i don't think anyone would dare to call an election now. it's possible they will if they have a bubble — it's possible they will if they have a bubble in— it's possible they will if they have a bubble in the _ it's possible they will if they have a bubble in the poll. _ it's possible they will if they have a bubble in the poll. it's - it's possible they will if they have a bubble in the poll. it's we - it's possible they will if they have a bubble in the poll. it's— a bubble in the poll. it's we have to finish. forgive _ a bubble in the poll. it's we have

to finish. forgive me. _ a bubble in the poll. it's we have| to finish. forgive me. interaction is... to finish. forgive me. interaction ism thank— to finish. forgive me. interaction is... thank you _ to finish. forgive me. interaction is... thank you all _ to finish. forgive me. interaction is... thank you all very _ to finish. forgive me. interaction is... thank you all very much. i to finish. forgive me. interactioni is... thank you all very much. up to finish. forgive me. interaction i is... thank you all very much. up to about 40 degrees. _ is... thank you all very much. up to about 40 degrees. emergency i about 40 degrees. emergency minister has been appointed there hasn't been a summer as hot as it was in 1976. a few days later, he began to rain. whatever you're doing, keep covered and keep indoors. that's dateline london.

the met office have issues and unprecedented red extreme heat warning for large areas of england. widespread impacts to hail and infrastructure expected. the red warning covers many of england's largest cities ranging from northern england into parts of east anglia. however, there is an amber warning in force covering all of england and wales and parts of southern scotland, where we could see impacts to hail and infrastructure. temperatures have been soaring over recent infrastructure. that he is pushing northwards, temperatures in the uk could hit an extraordinary 40

celsius. overnight, it's going to be... temperatures by the end of the night 9—14 c. shut them because as we go through saturday, many areas shawnee and we start to see those temperatures —— sunny. more comfortable conditions for scotland and northern ireland. highs into the low 20s. a few more showers, but elsewhere, we are going to start to see the see will not heat continue to build. quite widely, looking at those temperatures surging into the low 30s. really dangerous heat starts to build across parts of the uk on monday. that's where we will see some extraordinary temperatures,

potentially hitting 40 celsius. this could be the day that slashes the all—time uk temperature record. the heat is pushing its way into scotland and northern ireland. it's notjust by day that scotland and northern ireland. it's not just by day that those temperatures can cause issues. this is ten o'clock monday night. it 33 degrees, about 30 in liverpool. difficult for getting a decent sleep ahead. extreme heat is going to cause problems widespread to infrastructure and health.

hello and welcome to bbc news. the race for the conservative leadership and therefore the uk's next prime minister is under way as the candidates battle it out in tonight's tv debate. the five leadership candidates have all agreed that they want to move on from boris johnson's all agreed that they want to move on from borisjohnson's government but they have clashed on other issues like trans rights. the first ever extreme heat warning is being issued by the met office for parts of england on monday and tuesday. temperatures in london and parts of central england could reach up to 40 degrees. the warning means a risk to life is likely, and substantial changes in working practices and routines

will be needed.