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morning, early rain to clear eastern scotland and north—east england. that will do so and plenty of hot and dry and sunny weather will develop with temperatures peaking at 32 celsius. hotter still from monday morning. please do keep an eye on the forecast. hello this is bbc news. the headlines: fires continue to burn out of control as parts of france, portugal and spain endure record breaking temperatures. thousands of people are evacuated from their homes. the first national heatwave emergency has been declared in the uk, and the met office warns temperatures could put "fit and healthy" lives at risk. the race for conservative party leader — and next prime minister — continues as the five remaining candidates battle it out in the first tv debate. now on bbc news, dateline london with shaun ley.
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this week, two nations with caretaker readers, and problems that cannot wait. in israel, a coalition has collapsed. joe biden has been in a middle east seeking more saudi oil. they and the israelis want the united states to pledge action against iran. you're in the uk, if famous and not so famous five are vying to succeed borisjohnson as leader of the conservative party and prime minister. but in a context of tax cuts, is that the answer to what
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even ministers describe as a cost of living crisis? in the studio to discuss all of that, an american journalist and senior writer at bloomberg business week, based in london since the late 1970s, he writes on arab affairs. you burrow is a columnist with the male newspapers, he has reported from all around the middle east during his time and was a speech writer on david cameron's successful general election campaign in 2010. welcome to you all. let's begin in the middle east. stephanie, joe biden is engaged in this middle east trip, started in israel, met the palestinian leader, then on to saudi arabia to meet muhammad bin salman, the controversial crown prince. what does he want from this visit? what is he seeking from saudi arabia, particularly? i is he seeking from saudi arabia, particularly?— particularly? i think this is a trip that ou particularly? i think this is a trip that you could _ particularly? i think this is a trip that you could see _ particularly? i think this is a trip that you could see he _ particularly? i think this is a trip that you could see he did - particularly? i think this is a trip that you could see he did not.
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particularly? i think this is a trip i that you could see he did not really want to make. it is controversial, particularly in the democratic party, because of mohammed bin salman's record on human rights, because of it is being seen as a backtracking on his promises on climate change. biden has billed this as primarily about regional security, about, you know, fostering greater ties between israel and arab countries under the abraham accords, pushing that further. you know, building, possibly extending the yemen ceasefire. but ultimately, it is about getting more oil from saudi arabia. that is probably the most challenging part of the trip. from what we understand, he is unlikely to leave with any concrete commitments on that front. it remains to be seen. but some people are viewing this as a sort of reward
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for 0pec committing to increased production injune. but in reality, i think that the scope for both saudi arabia and the emirates to increase production is pretty limited. i think between them they have the capacity to increase production by something like 3 million barrels a day at best. it sounds a lot, but it is not really. it is like 3% of global output. it is seen as more or less the amount that russia might produce and be taken out by sanctions by the end of the year, but it is not going to move the dial much in terms of prices at the pump, so to speak. it raises a question in my mind, what happened to energy independence, which was something donald trump boasted about when he was in the white house? will i think i was more of a trump slogan, a bit of bravado. the us of course is a major world producer of oil and energy, but it is not like the us did not import
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energy products. russia, for instance, accounts for, like, before the war accounted for about 8% of us oil imports. the us is tightly integrated with world oil markets. i think that was a bit of a misnomer. it is being used by republicans to attack biden on the right. you know, you really needs to do something ahead of the midterms to try to show that he is responding to these rising energy prices. for that he is responding to these rising energy prices. for months or so awa . rising energy prices. for months or so away- the _ rising energy prices. for months or so away. the relationship - rising energy prices. for months or| so away. the relationship between, in particular, mohammed bin salman and trump is very close, not least because of the personal relationship between him and the president's son—in—law. we do not think the saudis can offer much, are they pleased about this visit? 0r saudis can offer much, are they pleased about this visit? or do they
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remain sceptics about the biden presidency?— remain sceptics about the biden residen ? ., ~ ., �* , presidency? you know, biden was very tou~h presidency? you know, biden was very tou . h with presidency? you know, biden was very tough with the — presidency? you know, biden was very tough with the saudis. _ presidency? you know, biden was very tough with the saudis. he _ presidency? you know, biden was very tough with the saudis. he said - presidency? you know, biden was very tough with the saudis. he said he - tough with the saudis. he said he will isolate mohammed bin salman, the crown_ will isolate mohammed bin salman, the crown prince.— the crown prince. because of the murder of— the crown prince. because of the murder of the — the crown prince. because of the murder of the journalist. - the crown prince. because of the murder of the journalist. also, i the crown prince. because of the | murder of the journalist. also, he murder of the “ournalist. also, he avoided most — murder of the journalist. also, he avoided most of _ murder of the journalist. also, he avoided most of middle _ murder of the journalist. also, he avoided most of middle eastern l avoided most of middle eastern readers — avoided most of middle eastern readers. even egyptian rulers and other_ readers. even egyptian rulers and other parts— readers. even egyptian rulers and other parts of the middle east. i believe — other parts of the middle east. i believe now he is there saying i'm sorry _ believe now he is there saying i'm sorry he — believe now he is there saying i'm sorry. he wants to achieve four things. — sorry. he wants to achieve four things, first to salvage the relationship between the united states. — relationship between the united states, strategic relationship between the united states and saudi arabia, _ between the united states and saudi arabia, which lasted for 80 years and recently it has been deteriorating completely. the second thin- deteriorating completely. the second thing is _ deteriorating completely. the second thing is to— deteriorating completely. the second thing is to put pressure on saudi and united arab emirates and other oil producing countries to increase
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their_ oil producing countries to increase their production, hoping that they could _ their production, hoping that they could bring the prices of oil down. but you _ could bring the prices of oil down. but you said it is limited, a marginal impact.— but you said it is limited, a marginal impact. but you said it is limited, a man inal im act. , marginal impact. the third thing is how to integrate _ marginal impact. the third thing is how to integrate israel— marginal impact. the third thing is how to integrate israel in - marginal impact. the third thing is how to integrate israel in the - how to integrate israel in the middle — how to integrate israel in the middle east to make some sort of integration and to be an integral part of— integration and to be an integral part of the middle east by normalisation of relationships. the first thing — normalisation of relationships. the first thing is how to confront iran -- fourth — first thing is how to confront iran —— fourth thing. iran is considered a threat _ —— fourth thing. iran is considered a threat to— —— fourth thing. iran is considered a threat to the middle east and america — a threat to the middle east and america. he actually declared when he visited _ america. he actually declared when he visited israel that they will prevent— he visited israel that they will prevent iran from producing weapons. producing _ prevent iran from producing weapons. producing nuclear weapons. so he is saying _ producing nuclear weapons. so he is saying that _ producing nuclear weapons. so he is saying that he wants to establish some _ saying that he wants to establish some sort — saying that he wants to establish some sort of arab nato in order to confront— some sort of arab nato in order to confront iran.— confront iran. that is intriguing. just confront iran. that is intriguing. just before _ confront iran. that is intriguing. just before we _ confront iran. that is intriguing. just before we move _ confront iran. that is intriguing. just before we move on - confront iran. that is intriguing. just before we move on directly| confront iran. that is intriguing. i just before we move on directly to iran, which is clearly where it puts them all. when he was in israel, he
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said he was pleased to be in jerusalem, in the capital of israel, which of course really was a concession made by donald trump when he was president. it looks like the broisin adamic —— biden present will stay injerusalem. what other ways do you think donald trump has rewritten the rules of engagement micro it is very interesting that you had biden who was critical of trumper�*s policy. the macro but he has done very little on the two states. there is very little. he little on the two states. there is very little-— very little. he did very little in terms of offering _ very little. he did very little in terms of offering hope - very little. he did very little in| terms of offering hope towards very little. he did very little in - terms of offering hope towards the palestinians — terms of offering hope towards the palestinians. a— terms of offering hope towards the palestinians. a very _ terms of offering hope towards the palestinians. a very brief - terms of offering hope towards the palestinians. a very brief meetingl palestinians. a very brief meeting with the _ palestinians. a very brief meeting with the palestinian _ palestinians. a very brief meeting with the palestinian leader, - palestinians. a very brief meeting with the palestinian leader, a - with the palestinian leader, a little — with the palestinian leader, a little bit — with the palestinian leader, a little bit of— with the palestinian leader, a little bit of aid, _ with the palestinian leader, a little bit of aid, not _ with the palestinian leader, a little bit of aid, not much - with the palestinian leader, a i little bit of aid, not much more than _ little bit of aid, not much more than that _ little bit of aid, not much more than that. then _ little bit of aid, not much more than that. then of— little bit of aid, not much more than that. then of course - little bit of aid, not much more than that. then of course he i little bit of aid, not much more than that. then of course he is| than that. then of course he is having — than that. then of course he is having to — than that. then of course he is having to turn _ than that. then of course he is having to turn his _ than that. then of course he is having to turn his whole - than that. then of course he is having to turn his whole policy| having to turn his whole policy upside — having to turn his whole policy upside down _ having to turn his whole policy upside down on _ having to turn his whole policy upside down on saudi - having to turn his whole policy upside down on saudi arabia. i having to turn his whole policy.
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upside down on saudi arabia. in having to turn his whole policy- upside down on saudi arabia. in many ways, _ upside down on saudi arabia. in many ways, what— upside down on saudi arabia. in many ways. what you — upside down on saudi arabia. in many ways. what you are _ upside down on saudi arabia. in many ways, what you are seeing _ upside down on saudi arabia. in many ways, what you are seeing i— upside down on saudi arabia. in many ways, what you are seeing i think- upside down on saudi arabia. in many ways, what you are seeing i think is l ways, what you are seeing i think is the weakness — ways, what you are seeing i think is the weakness of _ ways, what you are seeing i think is the weakness of the _ ways, what you are seeing i think is the weakness of the biden, - ways, what you are seeing i think is the weakness of the biden, who - ways, what you are seeing i think is the weakness of the biden, who is. the weakness of the biden, who is doing _ the weakness of the biden, who is doing pretty— the weakness of the biden, who is doing pretty much _ the weakness of the biden, who is doing pretty much what _ the weakness of the biden, who is doing pretty much what trump - the weakness of the biden, who is| doing pretty much what trump was doing _ doing pretty much what trump was doing in— doing pretty much what trump was doing in terms— doing pretty much what trump was doing in terms of— doing pretty much what trump was doing in terms of policy, _ doing pretty much what trump was doing in terms of policy, with - doing pretty much what trump was doing in terms of policy, with one i doing in terms of policy, with one or two— doing in terms of policy, with one or two exceptions. _ doing in terms of policy, with one or two exceptions. at _ doing in terms of policy, with one or two exceptions. at the - doing in terms of policy, with one or two exceptions. at the same . doing in terms of policy, with one - or two exceptions. at the same time, turning _ or two exceptions. at the same time, turning around — or two exceptions. at the same time, turning around on— or two exceptions. at the same time, turning around on all— or two exceptions. at the same time, turning around on all the _ or two exceptions. at the same time, turning around on all the things - or two exceptions. at the same time, turning around on all the things he i turning around on all the things he was saying — turning around on all the things he was saying earlier. _ turning around on all the things he was saying earlier. if _ turning around on all the things he was saying earlier. if i _ turning around on all the things he was saying earlier. if i was - was saying earlier. if i was watching _ was saying earlier. if i was watching outside, - was saying earlier. if i was watching outside, if- was saying earlier. if i was watching outside, if i- was saying earlier. if i was watching outside, if i wasl was saying earlier. if i was - watching outside, if i was perhaps president — watching outside, if i was perhaps president zelensky_ watching outside, if i was perhaps president zelensky looking - watching outside, if i was perhaps president zelensky looking at - watching outside, if i was perhapsl president zelensky looking at this, i president zelensky looking at this, iwouid _ president zelensky looking at this, iwouid he — president zelensky looking at this, i would be quite _ president zelensky looking at this, i would be quite nervous. - president zelensky looking at this, i would be quite nervous. america| i would be quite nervous. america has hetraved — i would be quite nervous. america has betrayed afghanistan, - i would be quite nervous. america has betrayed afghanistan, which. i would be quite nervous. america . has betrayed afghanistan, which has done the _ has betrayed afghanistan, which has done the same — has betrayed afghanistan, which has done the same to— has betrayed afghanistan, which has done the same to other— has betrayed afghanistan, which has done the same to other parts, - has betrayed afghanistan, which has done the same to other parts, like l done the same to other parts, like iraq done the same to other parts, like irag and _ done the same to other parts, like irag and the — done the same to other parts, like iraq and the middle _ done the same to other parts, like iraq and the middle east, - done the same to other parts, like iraq and the middle east, and - done the same to other parts, like iraq and the middle east, and is i done the same to other parts, like l iraq and the middle east, and is now turning _ iraq and the middle east, and is now turning turtle — iraq and the middle east, and is now turning turtle on _ iraq and the middle east, and is now turning turtle on saudi _ iraq and the middle east, and is now turning turtle on saudi arabia. - iraq and the middle east, and is now turning turtle on saudi arabia. it- turning turtle on saudi arabia. it is not _ turning turtle on saudi arabia. it is not great _ turning turtle on saudi arabia. it is not great when _ turning turtle on saudi arabia. it is not great when you _ turning turtle on saudi arabia. it is not great when you have - turning turtle on saudi arabia. it is not great when you have got i turning turtle on saudi arabia. it. is not great when you have got the world's _ is not great when you have got the world's ntost— is not great when you have got the world's most important— is not great when you have got the j world's most important democratic power— world's most important democratic power whose — world's most important democratic power whose word _ world's most important democratic power whose word seems - world's most important democratic power whose word seems so - world's most important democratic. power whose word seems so subject world's most important democratic- power whose word seems so subject to erosion. _ power whose word seems so subject to erosion. should— power whose word seems so subject to erosion. should we _ power whose word seems so subject to erosion, should we say. _ power whose word seems so sub'ect to erosion, should we say.�* power whose word seems so sub'ect to erosion, should we sayi i l erosion, should we say. stephanie? i think art erosion, should we say. stephanie? i think part of — erosion, should we say. stephanie? i think part of the _ erosion, should we say. stephanie? i think part of the trip _ erosion, should we say. stephanie? i think part of the trip is _ erosion, should we say. stephanie? i think part of the trip is about - think part of the trip is about countering russian and chinese influence in the region. i think thatis influence in the region. i think that is very much on the agenda. you know, in dubai, for instance, you see all these russians moving in to avoid sanctions. that is sort of happening behind the scenes. i'm sure there will be words said about
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that. so i think it is hard to determine whether or not this will be determined a success orjust a complete waste of time in the end. the fact that it has taken so long to happen, that he has been in office for a year and a half and he has not made any trip to the middle east, and he has made several trips to europe, i think it is long overdue, kind of as an attempt to re—engage. iagree overdue, kind of as an attempt to re—engage. i agree that the threat from iran hangs over this whole trip stop i think there is a sign of how iran is a greater threat and that the palestinian issue has receded. they are willing to put the coalition against iran ahead of any palestinian concerns.— palestinian concerns. there is a race now _ palestinian concerns. there is a race now between _ palestinian concerns. there is a race now between the - palestinian concerns. there is a l race now between the americans palestinian concerns. there is a - race now between the americans and russians— race now between the americans and russians in— race now between the americans and russians in the region. lavrov, the foreign— russians in the region. lavrov, the foreign minister of russia, was there — foreign minister of russia, was there and _ foreign minister of russia, was there. and putin, vladimir putin is
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going _ there. and putin, vladimir putin is going to _ there. and putin, vladimir putin is going to visit tehran next week. so i going to visit tehran next week. so i believe _ going to visit tehran next week. so i believe he — going to visit tehran next week. so i believe he will strike some sort of aiiiance — i believe he will strike some sort of alliance and access with the iranians, — of alliance and access with the iranians, maybe supplying them with s iranians, maybe supplying them with s 400, _ iranians, maybe supplying them with s 400, which is their missiles. mavhe — s 400, which is their missiles. maybe he _ s 400, which is their missiles. maybe he will learn from the iranians _ maybe he will learn from the iranians how to confront the sanctions, the american sanctions against _ sanctions, the american sanctions against iran. sol sanctions, the american sanctions against iran. so i believe middle eastern — against iran. so i believe middle eastern people have lost trust in the americans, to be honest. biden, when _ the americans, to be honest. biden, when he _ the americans, to be honest. biden, when he came, he was championing huntan— when he came, he was championing human rights, you know, he was against — human rights, you know, he was against the — human rights, you know, he was against the death of the saudi journalist, and he is saying that he will not _ journalist, and he is saying that he will not shake hands with mohammed bin salman. now he is turning everything around and he is trying to save _ everything around and he is trying to save himself, his popularity in the united — to save himself, his popularity in the united states, and to beg them to help _ the united states, and to beg them to help them with oil and gas. that
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is the _ to help them with oil and gas. that is the name — to help them with oil and gas. that is the name of the game now. it is the name of the game now. raises the is the name of the game now. it raises the question that in a sense it is a bit like coming back to the future. we were talking about how europe is dividing between the nato side, the russian side, just as it is between the west and the soviets. now we hear that the same is happening in the middle east, just as it did in soviet times. what happening in the middle east, “ust as it did in soviet times.�* as it did in soviet times. what i think is really _ as it did in soviet times. what i think is really tragic _ as it did in soviet times. what i think is really tragic about - as it did in soviet times. what i i think is really tragic about western policy— think is really tragic about western policy is _ think is really tragic about western policy is that — think is really tragic about western policy is that in _ think is really tragic about western policy is that in their _ think is really tragic about western policy is that in their efforts - think is really tragic about western policy is that in their efforts to - policy is that in their efforts to curtail— policy is that in their efforts to curtail iran, _ policy is that in their efforts to curtail iran, all— policy is that in their efforts to curtail iran, all it _ policy is that in their efforts to curtail iran, all it managed - policy is that in their efforts to curtail iran, all it managed toi policy is that in their efforts to l curtail iran, all it managed to do is strengthen _ curtail iran, all it managed to do is strengthen iran. _ curtail iran, all it managed to do is strengthen iran. invading - curtail iran, all it managed to do is strengthen iran. invading iraq| is strengthen iran. invading iraq actuaiiv— is strengthen iran. invading iraq actually ending _ is strengthen iran. invading iraq actually ending up _ is strengthen iran. invading iraq| actually ending up strengthening is strengthen iran. invading iraq - actually ending up strengthening the hand of— actually ending up strengthening the hand of iran~ — actually ending up strengthening the hand of iran. again, _ actually ending up strengthening the hand of iran. again, we _ actually ending up strengthening the hand of iran. again, we are - actually ending up strengthening the hand of iran. again, we are seeing . hand of iran. again, we are seeing the same. — hand of iran. again, we are seeing the same. but— hand of iran. again, we are seeing the same, but they— hand of iran. again, we are seeing the same, but they are _ hand of iran. again, we are seeing the same, but they are being - the same, but they are being sluggish— the same, but they are being siuggish in— the same, but they are being sluggish in their— the same, but they are being sluggish in their response - the same, but they are being sluggish in their response to| sluggish in their response to assad's _ sluggish in their response to assad's brutality. _ sluggish in their response to assad's brutality. they- sluggish in their response to assad's brutality. they gave| sluggish in their response to - assad's brutality. they gave 0bama not living _ assad's brutality. they gave 0bama not living up — assad's brutality. they gave 0bama not living up to _ assad's brutality. they gave 0bama not living up to his— assad's brutality. they gave 0bama not living up to his threat _ assad's brutality. they gave 0bama not living up to his threat that - assad's brutality. they gave 0bama not living up to his threat that if - not living up to his threat that if the red — not living up to his threat that if the red line _ not living up to his threat that if the red line was— not living up to his threat that if the red line was crossed - not living up to his threat that if the red line was crossed and - the red line was crossed and chemical— the red line was crossed and chemical attacks, _ the red line was crossed and chemical attacks, he - the red line was crossed and chemical attacks, he did - the red line was crossed and chemical attacks, he did not| the red line was crossed and i chemical attacks, he did not do anything — chemical attacks, he did not do anything that _ chemical attacks, he did not do anything. that gave _ chemical attacks, he did not do anything. that gave putin - chemical attacks, he did not do. anything. that gave putin space to move _ anything. that gave putin space to move on— anything. that gave putin space to move on and — anything. that gave putin space to move on and establish _ anything. that gave putin space to move on and establish links - anything. that gave putin space to move on and establish links to - anything. that gave putin space toi move on and establish links to such an extent _ move on and establish links to such an extent that — move on and establish links to such an extent that syria _ move on and establish links to such an extent that syria is _ move on and establish links to such an extent that syria is now, - move on and establish links to such an extent that syria is now, along l an extent that syria is now, along with north — an extent that syria is now, along with north korea, _ an extent that syria is now, along
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with north korea, one _ an extent that syria is now, along with north korea, one of- an extent that syria is now, along with north korea, one of only- an extent that syria is now, alongj with north korea, one of only two countries — with north korea, one of only two countries in — with north korea, one of only two countries in the _ with north korea, one of only two countries in the world _ with north korea, one of only two countries in the world which - countries in the world which recognises _ countries in the world which recognises the _ countries in the world which recognises the moscow- countries in the world whichl recognises the moscow state republics _ recognises the moscow state re - ublics. recognises the moscow state reublics. , ., ., recognises the moscow state reublics. , , ., ~ republics. -- stooge republics. all the oli republics. -- stooge republics. all the policy seems _ republics. -- stooge republics. all the policy seems to _ republics. -- stooge republics. all the policy seems to be _ republics. -- stooge republics. all the policy seems to be doing is . the policy seems to be doing is enhancing and helping because it has been so badly done. stephanie, you hear the temporary caretaker minister of israel, now that this coalition government has collapsed, and a sense offering a bit of cover, saying he might sign an iran nuclear deal if it was beefed up, is there any prospect of it being beefed up or is the view note that because of ukraine, because of the global inflation, all the rest of it, this is no longer the game in town? the nuclear deal with iran has happened and it is not coming back? biden did sa that he and it is not coming back? biden did say that he wanted _ and it is not coming back? biden did say that he wanted to _ and it is not coming back? biden did say that he wanted to revive - and it is not coming back? biden did say that he wanted to revive talks i say that he wanted to revive talks with iran over the nuclear deal right before going on this trip.
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strange timing on that since he knows that many of the people he was going to meet our very against the deal and view iran as an unreliable partner. so i think most people think that the iran deal is dead in the water, that it is going to be impossible to revive given everything that has happened. and that it is... i do not think it will go anywhere at this point. there is so much opposition to it in congress right now. so much opposition to it in congress riaht now. ., ., , right now. one other thing that is worth touching — right now. one other thing that is worth touching on _ right now. one other thing that is worth touching on is _ right now. one other thing that is worth touching on isjust - right now. one other thing that is worth touching on isjust the - worth touching on is just the politics inside israel. this coalition was unique in the history of israel because for the first time there were arab ministers serving. in the end, that part was one of the reason is that it collapsed. but notwithstanding that, do you think in any sense that has changed the dynamic within israeli politics? could it have a longer term impact?
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it was a precedent. arabs actually joined _ it was a precedent. arabs actually joined the — it was a precedent. arabs actually joined the israeli government for the first— joined the israeli government for the first time in 74 years. so it was _ the first time in 74 years. so it was a — the first time in 74 years. so it was a controversial thing among the araps— was a controversial thing among the arabs inside israel and outside. but this government did not last simply because _ this government did not last simply because it — this government did not last simply because it was about eight parties participating in a coalition. i believe _ participating in a coalition. i believe now is really politics are in disarray. _ believe now is really politics are in disarray, like british politics, to he _ in disarray, like british politics, to be honest. so what will happen, there _ to be honest. so what will happen, there will— to be honest. so what will happen, there will be an election in november, so it is the fifth election— november, so it is the fifth election in less than four years, so whether— election in less than four years, so whether they will have a strong government... it means israel would not he _ government... it means israel would not be able _ government... it means israel would not be able to decide in any issues, especially— not be able to decide in any issues, especially the two state solution. 0k, especially the two state solution. ok. now — especially the two state solution. ok, now the israeli prime ministers said that _ ok, now the israeli prime ministers said that they accept two state
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solution, — said that they accept two state solution, but it isjust talks, no action — solution, but it isjust talks, no action i— solution, but it isjust talks, no action. i believe the whole region at the _ action. i believe the whole region at the edge of the war, lebanon on, and on _ at the edge of the war, lebanon on, and on the _ at the edge of the war, lebanon on, and on the edge of the war in iran, because _ and on the edge of the war in iran, because iran — and on the edge of the war in iran, because iran is really on the edge of producing nuclear weapons, so we expect _ of producing nuclear weapons, so we expect a _ of producing nuclear weapons, so we expect a war— of producing nuclear weapons, so we expect a war anytime in that part of the world — expect a war anytime in that part of the world. the israeli are threatening they are going to bomb iran. threatening they are going to bomb iran~ it _ threatening they are going to bomb iran~ it is _ threatening they are going to bomb iran~ it is a — threatening they are going to bomb iran. it is a state of uncertainty for the — iran. it is a state of uncertainty for the whole middle east. gn iran. it is a state of uncertainty for the whole middle east. on that auestion for the whole middle east. on that question of— for the whole middle east. on that question of potentially _ for the whole middle east. on that question of potentially some - for the whole middle east. on that question of potentially some kind l for the whole middle east. on that. question of potentially some kind of resolution in terms of israel and the palestinians, it looks pretty bleak at the moment. there is clearly not much warmth there. there are americans who think that he is not the greatest interlock in terms of proposing the cause, however much history and support you may have
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had. it history and support you may have had. ., ., history and support you may have had. .,, , ., ,, history and support you may have had. .,,, .,~ .,, history and support you may have had. , ., had. it looks as bleak as it has for a lona had. it looks as bleak as it has for a long time- _ had. it looks as bleak as it has for a long time. there _ had. it looks as bleak as it has for a long time. there is _ had. it looks as bleak as it has for a long time. there is not - had. it looks as bleak as it has for a long time. there is not the - a long time. there is not the interest, _ a long time. there is not the interest, not— a long time. there is not the interest, not the _ a long time. there is not the i interest, not the commitment. a long time. there is not the - interest, not the commitment. it was not seem _ interest, not the commitment. it was not seem passionate _ interest, not the commitment. it was not seem passionate about _ interest, not the commitment. it was not seem passionate about it. - not seem passionate about it. normally— not seem passionate about it. normally predecessors - not seem passionate about it. i normally predecessors pretend not seem passionate about it. - normally predecessors pretend they have a _ normally predecessors pretend they have a plan— normally predecessors pretend they have a plan to — normally predecessors pretend they have a plan to get _ normally predecessors pretend they have a plan to get things _ normally predecessors pretend they have a plan to get things going, - normally predecessors pretend they have a plan to get things going, he i have a plan to get things going, he barely— have a plan to get things going, he barely even— have a plan to get things going, he barely even did _ have a plan to get things going, he barely even did that. _ have a plan to get things going, he barely even did that. the _ barely even did that. the palestinian _ barely even did that. the palestinian leadership i barely even did that. the palestinian leadership isl barely even did that. the - palestinian leadership is terrible, the readership— palestinian leadership is terrible, the readership and _ palestinian leadership is terrible, the readership and gazza, - palestinian leadership is terrible, the readership and gazza, the . palestinian leadership is terrible, i the readership and gazza, the west bank, _ the readership and gazza, the west bank. it— the readership and gazza, the west bank. it is— the readership and gazza, the west bank, it is corrupt, _ the readership and gazza, the west bank, it is corrupt, it— the readership and gazza, the west bank, it is corrupt, it is— the readership and gazza, the west bank, it is corrupt, it is awful, - the readership and gazza, the west bank, it is corrupt, it is awful, it. bank, it is corrupt, it is awful, it is the _ bank, it is corrupt, it is awful, it is the israeli _ bank, it is corrupt, it is awful, it is the israeli leadership - bank, it is corrupt, it is awful, it is the israeli leadership looks i bank, it is corrupt, it is awful, it. is the israeli leadership looks like a basket— is the israeli leadership looks like a basket case, _ is the israeli leadership looks like a basket case, the _ is the israeli leadership looks like a basket case, the government. is the israeli leadership looks likej a basket case, the government at is the israeli leadership looks like - a basket case, the government at the moment— a basket case, the government at the moment because _ a basket case, the government at the moment because of— a basket case, the government at the moment because of their— a basket case, the government at the moment because of their extreme - a basket case, the government at the i moment because of their extreme form of pr _ moment because of their extreme form of pr it _ moment because of their extreme form of pr it allows — moment because of their extreme form of pr. it allows so _ moment because of their extreme form of pr. it allows so many— moment because of their extreme form of pr. it allows so many parties - moment because of their extreme form of pr. it allows so many parties and - of pr. it allows so many parties and it has— of pr. it allows so many parties and it hasj'ust _ of pr. it allows so many parties and it hasjust become _ of pr. it allows so many parties and it hasjust become impossible - of pr. it allows so many parties and it hasjust become impossible to- it hasjust become impossible to find a _ it hasjust become impossible to find a strong _ it hasjust become impossible to find a strong and _ it hasjust become impossible to find a strong and stable - it hasjust become impossible to- find a strong and stable government, to use _ find a strong and stable government, to use a _ find a strong and stable government, to use a catch— find a strong and stable government, to use a catch popular— find a strong and stable government, to use a catch popular here. - find a strong and stable government, to use a catch popular here. one - to use a catch popular here. one oint to use a catch popular here. one point which _ to use a catch popular here. one point which is — to use a catch popular here. point which is extremely to use a catch popular here.“ point which is extremely important, now the _ point which is extremely important, now the west bank is changing. now the extremists are having the upper hand, _ the extremists are having the upper hand. i_ the extremists are having the upper hand, i know there are a lot of attacks — hand, i know there are a lot of
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attacks against israel to stop simply— attacks against israel to stop simply because people are frustrated. there is not any hope. even _ frustrated. there is not any hope. even biden, — frustrated. there is not any hope. even biden, when he visited, he did not pay— even biden, when he visited, he did not pay any— even biden, when he visited, he did not pay any attention to the two state _ not pay any attention to the two state solution. they are still on the american terrorist list, and he never— the american terrorist list, and he never established a consulate for the palestinians. sol never established a consulate for the palestinians. so i think this trip actually added to the problems in the _ trip actually added to the problems in the middle east. lets trip actually added to the problems in the middle east.— in the middle east. lets talk on to talk about the _ in the middle east. lets talk on to talk about the british _ in the middle east. lets talk on to l talk about the british conservatives —— might move on. ian, you have a past connection with the british conservative party, we have the top three candidates. as we are speaking on this programme, sitting here together, there is the first of a number of debates taking place, they will continue through the weekend, they will then continue beyond the weekend as the number of candidates is reduced on monday by british conservatives voting again to
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whittle the list down. the three frontrunners are pretty clear. rishi sunak, the former chancellor, liz truss, the foreign secretary, and penny mordant who is relatively unknownjunior penny mordant who is relatively unknown junior minister. penny mordant who is relatively unknownjunior minister. give us penny mordant who is relatively unknown junior minister. give us a sense of what your impressions are of these three and what they might mean, if anything different, for britain? , . ' britain? they will be different. each primer— britain? they will be different. each primer minister - britain? they will be different. each primer minister brings i britain? they will be different. each primer minister brings a l each primer minister brings a different— each primer minister brings a different flavour— each primer minister brings a different flavour and - each primer minister brings a| different flavour and different character _ different flavour and different character. it _ different flavour and different character. it has— different flavour and different character. it has been- different flavour and different character. it has been very. character. it has been very interesting _ character. it has been very interesting to— character. it has been very interesting to see - character. it has been very interesting to see how- character. it has been very interesting to see how fari character. it has been very. interesting to see how far the conservative _ interesting to see how far the conservative party _ interesting to see how far the conservative party has - interesting to see how far the j conservative party has moved interesting to see how far the . conservative party has moved in recent— conservative party has moved in recent years _ conservative party has moved in recent years so _ conservative party has moved in recent years so that _ conservative party has moved in recent years so that everyone i conservative party has moved in recent years so that everyone is| conservative party has moved in- recent years so that everyone is now a brexiteer. — recent years so that everyone is now a brexiteer. no— recent years so that everyone is now a brexiteer, no one _ recent years so that everyone is now a brexiteer, no one accepts- recent years so that everyone is now a brexiteer, no one accepts that - a brexiteer, no one accepts that brexit— a brexiteer, no one accepts that brexit is— a brexiteer, no one accepts that brexit is causing _ a brexiteer, no one accepts that brexit is causing any— a brexiteer, no one accepts that brexit is causing any problems, i a brexiteer, no one accepts that i brexit is causing any problems, so there _ brexit is causing any problems, so there is— brexit is causing any problems, so there is this — brexit is causing any problems, so there is this pretence _ brexit is causing any problems, so there is this pretence that - brexit is causing any problems, so there is this pretence that it- brexit is causing any problems, so there is this pretence that it is- there is this pretence that it is all going — there is this pretence that it is all going great _ there is this pretence that it is all going great. the _ there is this pretence that it is all going great. the fact- there is this pretence that it is all going great. the fact that i there is this pretence that it is- all going great. the fact that even the most — all going great. the fact that even the most moderate _ all going great. the fact that even the most moderate candidates - all going great. the fact that even - the most moderate candidates accept the most moderate candidates accept the rewind _ the most moderate candidates accept the rewind asylum _ the most moderate candidates accept the rewind asylum deal, _ the most moderate candidates accept the rewind asylum deal, which - the most moderate candidates accept the rewind asylum deal, which is - the most moderate candidates accept the rewind asylum deal, which is to. the rewind asylum deal, which is to send _ the rewind asylum deal, which is to send refugees— the rewind asylum deal, which is to send refugees and _ the rewind asylum deal, which is to send refugees and to _ the rewind asylum deal, which is to send refugees and to pay _ the rewind asylum deal, which is to send refugees and to pay a - the rewind asylum deal, which is to send refugees and to pay a dictatorj send refugees and to pay a dictator to host _ send refugees and to pay a dictator to host them — send refugees and to pay a dictator to host them in— send refugees and to pay a dictator to host them in rwanda, _ send refugees and to pay a dictator to host them in rwanda, a - send refugees and to pay a dictator to host them in rwanda, a pretty. to host them in rwanda, a pretty repellent— to host them in rwanda, a pretty repellent dictator _ to host them in rwanda, a pretty repellent dictator at _ to host them in rwanda, a pretty repellent dictator at that, - to host them in rwanda, a pretty. repellent dictator at that, everyone has signed — repellent dictator at that, everyone has signed up — repellent dictator at that, everyone has signed up to— repellent dictator at that, everyone has signed up to that _ repellent dictator at that, everyone has signed up to that which - repellent dictator at that, everyone has signed up to that which is - repellent dictator at that, everyone has signed up to that which is a - has signed up to that which is a sign _ has signed up to that which is a sign of—
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has signed up to that which is a sign of where _ has signed up to that which is a sign of where they— has signed up to that which is a sign of where they are - has signed up to that which is a sign of where they are in - has signed up to that which is a sign of where they are in termsj has signed up to that which is a i sign of where they are in terms of immigration _ sign of where they are in terms of immigration. when— sign of where they are in terms of immigration. when it _ sign of where they are in terms of immigration. when it comes- sign of where they are in terms of immigration. when it comes to i sign of where they are in terms ofl immigration. when it comes to tax cuts. _ immigration. when it comes to tax cuts. there — immigration. when it comes to tax cuts. there is— immigration. when it comes to tax cuts. there is a _ immigration. when it comes to tax cuts, there is a very— immigration. when it comes to tax cuts, there is a very strong - cuts, there is a very strong argument _ cuts, there is a very strong argument as— cuts, there is a very strong argument as to _ cuts, there is a very strong argument as to whether. cuts, there is a very strong i argument as to whether you cuts, there is a very strong - argument as to whether you should have tax— argument as to whether you should have tax cuts — argument as to whether you should have tax cuts now _ argument as to whether you should have tax cuts now or— argument as to whether you should have tax cuts now or hold - argument as to whether you should have tax cuts now or hold off. - argument as to whether you should have tax cuts now or hold off. rishij have tax cuts now or hold off. rishi sunak. _ have tax cuts now or hold off. rishi sunak. as — have tax cuts now or hold off. rishi sunak, as former— have tax cuts now or hold off. rishi sunak, as former chancellor, - have tax cuts now or hold off. rishi sunak, as former chancellor, has i sunak, as former chancellor, has been _ sunak, as former chancellor, has been putting _ sunak, as former chancellor, has been putting up— sunak, as former chancellor, has been putting up taxes _ sunak, as former chancellor, has been putting up taxes partly- sunak, as former chancellor, has been putting up taxes partly to i sunak, as former chancellor, has i been putting up taxes partly to cope with the _ been putting up taxes partly to cope with the impact— been putting up taxes partly to cope with the impact of— been putting up taxes partly to cope with the impact of covid. _ been putting up taxes partly to cope with the impact of covid. you - been putting up taxes partly to cope with the impact of covid. you are i with the impact of covid. you are saying _ with the impact of covid. you are saying we — with the impact of covid. you are saying we cannot _ with the impact of covid. you are saying we cannot do _ with the impact of covid. you are saying we cannot do tax - with the impact of covid. you are saying we cannot do tax cuts - with the impact of covid. you arel saying we cannot do tax cuts now, but we _ saying we cannot do tax cuts now, but we will — saying we cannot do tax cuts now, but we will do _ saying we cannot do tax cuts now, but we will do them _ saying we cannot do tax cuts now, but we will do them in _ saying we cannot do tax cuts now, but we will do them in the - saying we cannot do tax cuts now, but we will do them in the future. | but we will do them in the future. essentially— but we will do them in the future. essentially everyone _ but we will do them in the future. essentially everyone is _ but we will do them in the future. essentially everyone is getting. but we will do them in the future. i essentially everyone is getting away with saying — essentially everyone is getting away with saying we — essentially everyone is getting away with saying we want _ essentially everyone is getting away with saying we want tax _ essentially everyone is getting away with saying we want tax cuts, - essentially everyone is getting away with saying we want tax cuts, a - with saying we want tax cuts, a smaller — with saying we want tax cuts, a smaller estate, _ with saying we want tax cuts, a smaller estate, but _ with saying we want tax cuts, a smaller estate, but no- with saying we want tax cuts, a smaller estate, but no one - with saying we want tax cuts, a smaller estate, but no one is i smaller estate, but no one is defining _ smaller estate, but no one is defining what _ smaller estate, but no one is defining what is _ smaller estate, but no one is defining what is the - smaller estate, but no one is defining what is the small- smaller estate, but no one is - defining what is the small estate and want — defining what is the small estate and want to— defining what is the small estate and want to be— defining what is the small estate and want to be cut. _ defining what is the small estate and want to be cut. there - defining what is the small estate and want to be cut. there is - defining what is the small estate and want to be cut. there is this| and want to be cut. there is this really— and want to be cut. there is this really strong _ and want to be cut. there is this really strong unity. _ and want to be cut. there is this really strong unity. but - and want to be cut. there is thisj really strong unity. but different characters — really strong unity. but different characters with _ really strong unity. but different characters with each _ really strong unity. but different characters with each of - really strong unity. but different characters with each of them. i really strong unity. but different| characters with each of them. liz truss _ characters with each of them. liz truss is— characters with each of them. liz truss is a — characters with each of them. liz truss is a wannabe _ characters with each of them. liz truss is a wannabe margaret - truss is a wannabe margaret thatcher. _ truss is a wannabe margaret thatcher, who _ truss is a wannabe margaret thatcher, who for _ truss is a wannabe margaret thatcher, who for a - truss is a wannabe margaret thatcher, who for a long - truss is a wannabe margaretl thatcher, who for a long time truss is a wannabe margaret - thatcher, who for a long time has been _ thatcher, who for a long time has been cosplaying _ thatcher, who for a long time has been cosplaying her, _ thatcher, who for a long time has been cosplaying her, doing - thatcher, who for a long time has. been cosplaying her, doing pictures in tanks _ been cosplaying her, doing pictures in tanks like — been cosplaying her, doing pictures in tanks like margaret _ been cosplaying her, doing pictures in tanks like margaret thatcher - been cosplaying her, doing pictures in tanks like margaret thatcher and j in tanks like margaret thatcher and things— in tanks like margaret thatcher and things like — in tanks like margaret thatcher and things like this. _ in tanks like margaret thatcher and things like this. rishi _ in tanks like margaret thatcher and things like this. rishi sunak, - in tanks like margaret thatcher and things like this. rishi sunak, an - things like this. rishi sunak, an interesting. _ things like this. rishi sunak, an interesting, very— things like this. rishi sunak, an interesting, very smart - things like this. rishi sunak, an interesting, very smart guy, - things like this. rishi sunak, an| interesting, very smart guy, but things like this. rishi sunak, an i interesting, very smart guy, but to some _ interesting, very smart guy, but to some extent — interesting, very smart guy, but to some extent hindered _ interesting, very smart guy, but to some extent hindered by— interesting, very smart guy, but to some extent hindered by the - interesting, very smart guy, but to some extent hindered by the fact i interesting, very smart guy, but tol some extent hindered by the fact of his wifes— some extent hindered by the fact of his wife's extreme _ some extent hindered by the fact of his wife's extreme wealth. - some extent hindered by the fact of his wife's extreme wealth. he - some extent hindered by the fact of his wife's extreme wealth.— some extent hindered by the fact of his wife's extreme wealth. he kept a ureen card his wife's extreme wealth. he kept a green card that _ his wife's extreme wealth. he kept a green card that allowed _ his wife's extreme wealth. he kept a green card that allowed him - his wife's extreme wealth. he kept a green card that allowed him to - his wife's extreme wealth. he kept a green card that allowed him to work| green card that allowed him to work in america after he had become a politician and a cabinet minister. what theresa may used to call a
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citizen of the world, a citizen of nowhere. the macro without the inflation and cost of living issues, thatis inflation and cost of living issues, that is problematic.— that is problematic. penny to bag one is a blank _ that is problematic. penny to bag one is a blank canvas _ that is problematic. penny to bag one is a blank canvas for - that is problematic. penny to bag one is a blank canvas for many i one is a blank canvas for many people — one is a blank canvas for many people. people _ one is a blank canvas for many people. people can— one is a blank canvas for many people. people can project- one is a blank canvas for many. people. people can project onto one is a blank canvas for many - people. people can project onto her what they— people. people can project onto her what they want _ people. people can project onto her what they want -- _ people. people can project onto her what they want —— penny _ people. people can project onto herj what they want —— penny mordaunt. she was— what they want —— penny mordaunt. she was a _ what they want —— penny mordaunt. she was a brexiteer, _ what they want —— penny mordaunt. she was a brexiteer, but _ what they want —— penny mordaunt. she was a brexiteer, but she - what they want —— penny mordaunt. she was a brexiteer, but she is- what they want —— penny mordaunt. she was a brexiteer, but she is alsoj she was a brexiteer, but she is also very socially — she was a brexiteer, but she is also very socially liberal. _ she was a brexiteer, but she is also very socially liberal. it _ she was a brexiteer, but she is also very socially liberal. it is _ she was a brexiteer, but she is also very socially liberal. it is a - very socially liberal. it is a really _ very socially liberal. it is a really interesting - very socially liberal. it is aj really interesting mixture, very socially liberal. it is a - really interesting mixture, and she has a _ really interesting mixture, and she has a sort — really interesting mixture, and she has a sort of— really interesting mixture, and she has a sort of navy— really interesting mixture, and she has a sort of navy background - really interesting mixture, and she. has a sort of navy background which takes _ has a sort of navy background which takes place — has a sort of navy background which takes place boxes _ has a sort of navy background which takes place boxes in _ has a sort of navy background which takes place boxes in the _ takes place boxes in the conservative _ takes place boxes in the conservative party. - takes place boxes in the conservative party. shel takes place boxes in the i conservative party. she is takes place boxes in the - conservative party. she is an interesting _ conservative party. she is an interesting mixture - conservative party. she is an interesting mixture of- conservative party. she is anl interesting mixture of policies conservative party. she is an - interesting mixture of policies and background — interesting mixture of policies and background l— interesting mixture of policies and background-— background. i was trying to do a broadcast on — background. i was trying to do a broadcast on wednesday - background. i was trying to do a | broadcast on wednesday evening background. i was trying to do a - broadcast on wednesday evening and there was a brass band playing, not just various military themes and the national anthem, just various military themes and the nationalanthem, even just various military themes and the national anthem, even a selection from mary poppins, which was rather intriguing. we were getting a spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down, which i wondered how that would translate to policy terms. . how that would translate to policy terms. , . , , , terms. this leadership race is so different from _ terms. this leadership race is so different from previous - terms. this leadership race is so different from previous ones - terms. this leadership race is so - different from previous ones because there is no clear winner that has
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emerged quickly, like it has in the past. the other thing is because the tories have been in powerfor 12 years, they are all coming out with these ways to fix various problems that we are facing, inflation, the nhs, pretending that they have not beenin nhs, pretending that they have not been in powerfor 12 years, they are running against the establishment, and that they do not bear any responsibility for it, which is very odd. i think all of them, barring rishi sunak, r proposing unfunded tax cuts and the bonfire brexit regulations is the way to kick—start the economy. i think that is not really going to cut it in the end. what we are facing in the winter is a very bleak scenario of energy crisis, rising gas prices, putin probably cutting off gas from europe, and already the nhs is on its knees. i do not think any of
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them have the ideas to really solve them have the ideas to really solve the problems at hand. i mean, it is just remarkable that there has been for prime ministers in 12 years. it has been governing by chaos. how can you set an economic policy effectively if there is just so much crisis? governing by crisis? i effectively if there isjust so much crisis? governing by crisis?- crisis? governing by crisis? i have been in this— crisis? governing by crisis? i have been in this country _ crisis? governing by crisis? i have been in this country for— crisis? governing by crisis? i have been in this country for 40 - crisis? governing by crisis? i have been in this country for 40 years, | crisis? governing by crisis? i have| been in this country for 40 years, i have _ been in this country for 40 years, i have never— been in this country for 40 years, i have never seen this country facing this stagnation, political stagnation. to be honest, problems after problems, scandals, stabbing in the _ after problems, scandals, stabbing in the back, divisions. the political— in the back, divisions. the political process is not actually as it used _ political process is not actually as it used to — political process is not actually as it used to be. i do not want to sound — it used to be. i do not want to sound like _ it used to be. i do not want to sound like an old man.- it used to be. i do not want to sound like an old man. perish the thou~ht! sound like an old man. perish the thought! now— sound like an old man. perish the thought! now we _ sound like an old man. perish the thought! now we have _ sound like an old man. perish the thought! now we have hopefully i sound like an old man. perish the - thought! now we have hopefully some chances. thought! now we have hopefully some changes- this — thought! now we have hopefully some changes. this country _ thought! now we have hopefully some changes. this country is _ thought! now we have hopefully some changes. this country is drowning, - changes. this country is drowning, to be _ changes. this country is drowning, to be honest. there must be strong leadership —
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to be honest. there must be strong leadership. the conservative party, labour— leadership. the conservative party, labour party, these two pillars of british— labour party, these two pillars of british politics, they have to move to save _ british politics, they have to move to save the — british politics, they have to move to save the country. now we have inflation _ to save the country. now we have inflation 10%, we have problems of energy. _ inflation 10%, we have problems of energy, public services are deteriorating, stephanie energy. public services are deteriorating. stephanie said. this deteriorating, stephanie said. this country— deteriorating, stephanie said. this country should be saved. i believe there _ country should be saved. i believe there is— country should be saved. i believe there is a — country should be saved. i believe there is a chance. sol country should be saved. i believe there is a chance. so i hope it will be fruitful — there is a chance. so i hope it will be fruitful-— there is a chance. so i hope it will be fruitful. sometimes we have to wait. two candidates _ be fruitful. sometimes we have to wait. two candidates are - be fruitful. sometimes we have to wait. two candidates are a - be fruitful. sometimes we have to wait. two candidates are a little i wait. two candidates are a little way back, next week we will get it out of the final two, then they go out of the final two, then they go out to conservative party members, we will not get a new prime minister until september. to we will not get a new prime minister until september.— until september. to win this battle, ou've not until september. to win this battle, you've got to _ until september. to win this battle, you've got to appeal _ until september. to win this battle, you've got to appeal first _ until september. to win this battle, you've got to appeal first of- until september. to win this battle, you've got to appeal first of all- until september. to win this battle, you've got to appeal first of all to i you've got to appeal first of all to mp5 you've got to appeal first of all to mps and — you've got to appeal first of all to mps and a — you've got to appeal first of all to mps and a party— you've got to appeal first of all to mp5 and a party which _ you've got to appeal first of all to mp5 and a party which has - you've got to appeal first of all to i mps and a party which has basically been made — mps and a party which has basically been made by— mps and a party which has basically been made by brexit— mps and a party which has basically been made by brexit and _ mps and a party which has basically been made by brexit and boris- been made by brexit and boris johnson. — been made by brexit and boris johnson. so _ been made by brexit and boris johnson. so it— been made by brexit and boris johnson, so it has— been made by brexit and boris johnson, so it has shifted - been made by brexit and boris johnson, so it has shifted to l been made by brexit and boris johnson, so it has shifted to al been made by brexit and boris- johnson, so it has shifted to a more populist _ johnson, so it has shifted to a more populist right. — johnson, so it has shifted to a more populist right, then _ johnson, so it has shifted to a more populist right, then you're - johnson, so it has shifted to a more populist right, then you're going - johnson, so it has shifted to a more populist right, then you're going toi
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populist right, then you're going to appeal— populist right, then you're going to appeal to _ populist right, then you're going to appeal to the — populist right, then you're going to appeal to the constituency, - populist right, then you're going to appeal to the constituency, who i populist right, then you're going to. appeal to the constituency, who tend to be older— appeal to the constituency, who tend to be olderand — appeal to the constituency, who tend to be older and quite _ appeal to the constituency, who tend to be older and quite conservative. i to be older and quite conservative. and then _ to be older and quite conservative. and then your— to be older and quite conservative. and then your purchase _ to be older and quite conservative. and then your purchase amount. to be older and quite conservative. i and then your purchase amount flip and appeal— and then your purchase amount flip and appeal to — and then your purchase amount flip and appeal to the _ and then your purchase amount flip and appeal to the whole _ and then your purchase amount flip and appeal to the whole country. it| and appeal to the whole country. it has a _ and appeal to the whole country. it has a slightly— and appeal to the whole country. it has a slightly odd _ and appeal to the whole country. it has a slightly odd process. - and appeal to the whole country. it has a slightly odd process. this - and appeal to the whole country. it has a slightly odd process.- has a slightly odd process. this is the problem _ has a slightly odd process. this is the problem i _ has a slightly odd process. this is the problem i have _ has a slightly odd process. this is the problem i have with - has a slightly odd process. this is the problem i have with this - the problem i have with this process, the next prime minister will be elected by 150,000 tory... we do not know. we note that they are overwhelmingly white, mostly male, mostly older, and more of them supported brexit by far than the country as a whole. so i think it raises questions about the legitimacy of the government. i do not think any tory reader would dare to call an election now —— back tory leader. it to call an election now -- back tory leader. . to call an election now -- back tory leader. , ,,, , to call an election now -- back tory leader. , , , , leader. it is possible they will, one quickly — leader. it is possible they will, one quickly if— leader. it is possible they will, one quickly if they _ leader. it is possible they will, one quickly if they have - leader. it is possible they will, one quickly if they have a - leader. it is possible they will, i one quickly if they have a bubble leader. it is possible they will, - one quickly if they have a bubble in the pool _ one quickly if they have a bubble in the pool hie — one quickly if they have a bubble in the ool. ~ ., ., , ., the pool. we have to finish, forgive me. ten seconds. _ the pool. we have to finish, forgive me. ten seconds. sign _ the pool. we have to finish, forgive me. ten seconds. sign macro - the pool. we have to finish, forgive me. ten seconds. sign macro i - the pool. we have to finish, forgive me. ten seconds. sign macro i am| me. ten seconds. sign macro i am happy rishi sunak is top for the time being. thank you all very much. just one last thought, since we are
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going to get heavy temperatures in the uk next week, up to perhaps 40 degrees. an emergency minister has been appointed for that. it brings back memories of the minister for the drought back in 1976. 200 years there had not been a summer as hot as it was in 1976, the then premier sir appointed dennis howe as the ministerfor the sir appointed dennis howe as the minister for the drought. sir appointed dennis howe as the ministerfor the drought. if sir appointed dennis howe as the minister for the drought. if you days later, it began to rain. let's hope the rains are coming soon. whatever you're doing next week, keep well, keep covered, and keep indoors if you can. back at the same time next week, whatever the weather brings! from all of us, goodbye. hello there.
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the threat of some unprecedented heat has been dominating the weather story in recent days. we do have our first ever extreme heat warning. it was published by the met office to cover parts of england during monday and tuesday. it is a fairly extensive area, as well, that is at risk of seeing potentially temperatures up to 40 degrees, stretching from london all the way up towards manchester and leeds. 0n the way up towards manchester and leeds. on top of that, we have an amber extreme heat warning for the whole of england, wales, and also parts of southern scotland, as well. now, it does look likely that that heat is going to continue to push up from europe. in western europe, we have seen temperatures way above the average for the time of year. in spain and portugal, we have seen temperatures peaking in the mid—40s, that will push its way a little further north across the uk on monday into tuesday. for the here and now, we have got some cloud around across scotland and northern ireland. this cloud will be thick
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enough sunlight, patchy rain to the north—west of the great glen and part of northern ireland as we go through the day to day. elsewhere, it is right settled and sunny, so those temperatures are going to start to climb through the afternoon. not quite as one further north and west with the cloud, perhaps temperatures are generally around the high teens, elsewhere because he temperatures peaking into the high 20s. as we move through saturday night into the early hours of sunday morning, we keep those clear skies across england and wales. those weather fronts continue to drift away steadily eastwards, and so that does mean that first thing in the morning we will have some rain to clear away through eastern scotland, and also to the north—east of the pennines, as well. a rather grey, gloomy start here, but eventually brightening up into the afternoon. elsewhere it is all about the dry, settled and increasing heat that we are likely to experience. some places because he temperatures into the low 30s, thatis he temperatures into the low 30s, that is into the 90s instance of fahrenheit. it is monday when the extreme really threatens. the
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potential to have a significant impact on our infrastructure and other lifestyle, with temperatures at around 40 degrees. tuesday will be another very hot day, increasingly humid, as well. that could trigger some thundery breakdown on wednesday. 0nce could trigger some thundery breakdown on wednesday. once that happens, it will be a little fresher.
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this is bbc news — these are the latest headlines in the uk and around the world. fires continue to burn out of control — as parts of france, portugal and spain endure record breaking temperatures. thousands of people are evacuated from their homes. the uk government will host an emergency cobra meeting later today after the first national heatwave emergency was declared in the uk. the race for conservative party leader — and next prime minister continues as the five remaining candidates battle it out in the first tv debate. president biden tells mohammed bin salman — saudi arabia's crown prince, that he holds him personally responsible for the murder of the dissidentjournalistjamal khashoggi. politicians in sri lanka begin the process of choosing a new president, after mass protests drove ex—president rajapaksa
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to resign and flee the country.

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