extraordinary rm extraordinary heat we're havin extraordinary heat we're hayin to co-e _ extraordinary heat we're having to cope with. i _ extraordinary i heat we're having to cope with. not everybody, but a lot of people. melt down monday on the metro. people keep saying it could have felt like it would be work this weekend. tomorrow and tuesday is when we're really going to be tested. , ., , , when we're really going to be tested. , . , , �* , ., tested. yes, and i guess it's a sli . htl tested. yes, and i guess it's a slightly unusual _ tested. yes, and i guess it's a slightly unusual story - tested. yes, and i guess it's a slightly unusual story that - tested. yes, and i guess it's a i slightly unusual story that we've had a number of crises in this country. but not really a crisis of this level. we haven't really had to deal with temperatures this high, to see some schools closing. i believe there's good to be speed limits on railways —— going to be. people are encouraged to work from home where they can. i think what it does is put climate change as a topic back under the spotlight in a way i don't

think it really has been since cop in glasgow. think it really has been since cop in glasgow— in glasgow. yes, and it's been notable on _ in glasgow. yes, and it's been notable on social— in glasgow. yes, and it's been notable on social media. - in glasgow. yes, and it's been notable on social media. a - in glasgow. yes, and it's been notable on social media. a lot| in glasgow. yes, and it's been i notable on social media. a lot of people have said climate change has not come up in these leadership contests. crosstalk it did because there was the talk of the net _ it did because there was the talk of the net zero target. it has reeled its head. — the net zero target. it has reeled its head, but it is true that it tends — its head, but it is true that it tends to— its head, but it is true that it tends to come up only within that particular— tends to come up only within that particular framing of net zero. so, the argument is reeling to the candidates. i think all the candidates. i think all the candidates have said... kemi was a bit more _ candidates have said... kemi was a bit more wishy—washy, so the impression she gave was that she excepted — impression she gave was that she excepted it was real. you can say that the — excepted it was real. you can say that the very limited conversation.

socially, _ that the very limited conversation. socially, etc. ithink that the very limited conversation. socially, etc. i think it is probably— socially, etc. i think it is probably not as front of mind as many— probably not as front of mind as many people would like, but it also infects _ many people would like, but it also infects there's a limited interest in the _ infects there's a limited interest in the tory— infects there's a limited interest in the tory party. the daily telegraph talks about the heatwave bringing the uk to a halt. adam referred to it there. it's really going to test our infrastructure. what is going to happen? how will the roads and railways cope? a lot of our housing stock is not equipped for this heat. we do know that our infrastructure is hot _ we do know that our infrastructure is not up _ we do know that our infrastructure is not up to— we do know that our infrastructure is not up to this. we aren't really up is not up to this. we aren't really up to— is not up to this. we aren't really up to extremes of weather. in the winter. _ up to extremes of weather. in the winter. your— up to extremes of weather. in the winter, your houses are very cold.

the uk _ winter, your houses are very cold. the uk has — winter, your houses are very cold. the uk has a _ winter, your houses are very cold. the uk has a terrible record on housing — the uk has a terrible record on housing insulation over all, unless they're _ housing insulation over all, unless they're homeowners. it's difficult and expensive to do so. in the summer. _ and expensive to do so. in the summer, you've got the opposite. we aren't— summer, you've got the opposite. we aren't ah _ summer, you've got the opposite. we aren't an air—conditioned nation, so we behave — aren't an air—conditioned nation, so we behave as — aren't an air—conditioned nation, so we behave as if these weather changes— we behave as if these weather changes will stay with us, which they— changes will stay with us, which they will, — changes will stay with us, which they will, and this is what we're going to — they will, and this is what we're going to see. perhaps we will get through— going to see. perhaps we will get through it — going to see. perhaps we will get through it with minor damage, but at the same. _ through it with minor damage, but at the same, railways seem to be very concerned — the same, railways seem to be very concerned. what they want us all to do is _ concerned. what they want us all to do is hot _ concerned. what they want us all to do is not use — concerned. what they want us all to do is not use railways very much because — do is not use railways very much because that would take the strain off. because that would take the strain off it's _ because that would take the strain off it's hot — because that would take the strain off. it's not possible for everyone. it's a _ off. it's not possible for everyone. it's a bit _ off. it's not possible for everyone. it's a bit of— off. it's not possible for everyone. it's a bit of a — off. it's not possible for everyone. it's a bit of a toss—up. on the daily star, it says it's

siesta britain. doctors have been saying we all need to slow down and realise that we can't behave and carry on as we normally do in this temperature. i carry on as we normally do in this temperature-— temperature. i was out and about this afternoon, _ temperature. i was out and about this afternoon, and _ temperature. i was out and about this afternoon, and i _ temperature. i was out and about this afternoon, and i think - temperature. i was out and about this afternoon, and i think it - this afternoon, and i think it was about the high 20s, perhaps touching 30 degrees. i think that for people in this country is seen as bearable, it's manageable, something that's quite normal. it's been talking about 10 degrees higher than what we experienced today. this is extreme weather, and as you've just discussed, we aren't really built for this as a country. countries around the world with different climates are ready for it, they're designed for this. onejust climates are ready for it, they're designed for this. one just hope the

vast majority of people do take the advice seriously, don't overdo it, because there have been warnings weekly of there being a high number of excess hospitalisations and deaths next week because we are talking about an unprecedented climate event in this country. we certainly are- _ climate event in this country. we certainly are. let's move on to politics. the metro, who is the weakest tory link? it felt like rishi sunak was under quite a lot of pressure. they were allowed in this format to ask each other�*s questions, was rather tantalising. it other's questions, was rather tantalising-— other's questions, was rather tantalising. it was. ithought it was very lively. _ tantalising. it was. ithought it was very lively. rishi - tantalising. it was. ithought it was very lively. rishi sunak i tantalising. it was. ithought it was very lively. rishi sunak is | tantalising. it was. i thought it. was very lively. rishi sunak is the front— was very lively. rishi sunak is the front room — was very lively. rishi sunak is the front room or and obviously is chahcellor_ front room or and obviously is chancellor until recently —— front ruhher~ — chancellor until recently —— front ruhher~ he — chancellor until recently —— front runner. he has the expertise and the knowledge _ runner. he has the expertise and the knowledge and the cards to play, but that also _ knowledge and the cards to play, but that also means he's the one that everyone — that also means he's the one that everyone else in the field has got

the greatest interest in bringing down _ the greatest interest in bringing down. may be the bottom two. so, i think rishi _ down. may be the bottom two. so, i think rishi sunak was under a lot of pressure _ think rishi sunak was under a lot of pressure on — think rishi sunak was under a lot of pressure on tax, but also very sharp attacks _ pressure on tax, but also very sharp attacks from — pressure on tax, but also very sharp attacks from liz truss, suggesting that he _ attacks from liz truss, suggesting that he brought on the recession, not only— that he brought on the recession, not only that he should do different things— not only that he should do different things or— not only that he should do different things or do more, but that his policy on — things or do more, but that his policy on tax rises and trying to -et policy on tax rises and trying to get more — policy on tax rises and trying to get more money to the exchequer hadn't _ get more money to the exchequer hadn't been a wise call. he was rather— hadn't been a wise call. he was rather stunned by that and he really had to— rather stunned by that and he really had to keep coming out of those boxing _ had to keep coming out of those boxing matches when he would duck and weave. — boxing matches when he would duck and weave, but someone else with income _ and weave, but someone else with income with another angle. i thought he did _ income with another angle. i thought he did a _ income with another angle. i thought he did a competent performance tonight, — he did a competent performance tonight, but if he is in a position where he's — tonight, but if he is in a position where he's the one with the record that's going to come under the scrutiny — that's going to come under the

scrutiny. is that's going to come under the scrutin . , . , ., ., scrutiny. is a strange one when you see peeple — scrutiny. is a strange one when you see peeple who _ scrutiny. is a strange one when you see people who are _ scrutiny. is a strange one when you see people who are from _ scrutiny. is a strange one when you see people who are from the - scrutiny. is a strange one when you see people who are from the same | see people who are from the same party, taking shots at each other like this. yes, because when we have these debates, the first questions was who won. i think the labour party won. the tory party... let's not be disingenuous. tory leadership contests are always a bit spicy. always a bit heated. to see candidates really kicked lungs out one another on the stage this evening and really argue over big topics like tax, i think at one point rishi sunak suggested the candidates were socialists, then he was accused of leaving the country to recession. really strongly worded criticism. i've been thinking, this is brilliant. you've got the old adage of divided parties... if we

are to give it some prudence, that prime minister —— the next leader, as well as the huge policy challenges, they have a huge political challenge in bringing that tory party back together. itv did a brilliantjob of sharing that debate. there's some conflict there. this is not a united party whatsoever.— this is not a united party whatsoever. �* , ., ., whatsoever. anne, you mentioned the accusations towards _ whatsoever. anne, you mentioned the accusations towards rishi _ whatsoever. anne, you mentioned the accusations towards rishi sunak. - accusations towards rishi sunak. that's the headline on the telegraph as well. he was in position when he did all of that borrowing, and that was the other thing that was slung at him. there was all this debt and he said he was propping up all these businesses. , ~ . businesses. yes, i think he had a reasonable _ businesses. yes, i think he had a reasonable come _ businesses. yes, i think he had a reasonable come back—

businesses. yes, i think he had a reasonable come back on - businesses. yes, i think he had a reasonable come back on that. businesses. yes, i think he had a | reasonable come back on that and people _ reasonable come back on that and people were... his popularity of the time during — people were... his popularity of the time during the covid era, that gets more difficult. the accusation was that he _ more difficult. the accusation was that he had — more difficult. the accusation was that he had been vigilant enough about— that he had been vigilant enough about fraud. i think he was right to say there _ about fraud. i think he was right to say there was a limit for what you could _ say there was a limit for what you could do — say there was a limit for what you could do. only when he was saying to clampdown _ could do. only when he was saying to clampdown on that possibility of not being _ clampdown on that possibility of not being able to do the furlough screen — being able to do the furlough screen i_ being able to do the furlough screen. i think the problem being able to do the furlough screen. ithink the problem is, and everyone _ screen. ithink the problem is, and everyone might not agree, i think he's got _ everyone might not agree, i think he's got a — everyone might not agree, i think he's got a decent record to defend and i_ he's got a decent record to defend and i understand his point about economics. there is some danger of the candidates who have not had to make _ the candidates who have not had to make those calls. what is happening in the

gamesmanship, he's constantly pushing — gamesmanship, he's constantly pushing onto the back foot. he tried very hard _ pushing onto the back foot. he tried very hard to — pushing onto the back foot. he tried very hard to come back at one point against _ very hard to come back at one point against liz— very hard to come back at one point against liz truss, but he said he didnt— against liz truss, but he said he didn't used _ against liz truss, but he said he didn't used to be a live dam, and she replied — didn't used to be a live dam, and she replied which i thought was a great _ she replied which i thought was a great exchange, she said she is right— great exchange, she said she is right now— great exchange, she said she is right now —— lib dem. i think what he hasn't — right now —— lib dem. i think what he hasn't yet — right now —— lib dem. i think what he hasn't yet got is that jujitsu his when— he hasn't yet got is that jujitsu his when opponents — we are talking about— his when opponents — we are talking about opponents. you have to be able to come _ about opponents. you have to be able to come back and through your opponent— to come back and through your opponent and go different way. it looks— opponent and go different way. it looks like — opponent and go different way. it looks like he's very tied to his economic— looks like he's very tied to his economic record. that might be ok to get to— economic record. that might be ok to get to the _ economic record. that might be ok to get to the last two, but it does look— get to the last two, but it does look shaky. looking at the i. tonight, we're supposed to have a clean campaign for the rest of the time of

penny mourdant and liz truss have made it clear that they as individuals are going to engage in criticising one another. however, it looks like they are delegating that responsibility to people around them — mps who on their teams, members of their campaigns have been quoted on a daily basis almost criticising other candidates, because the current consensus is that rishi sunak because my first name into the final two, and that second spot is “p final two, and that second spot is up for grabs final two, and that second spot is upfor grabs —— final two, and that second spot is up for grabs —— sunak�*s. it will be decided probably on wednesday when we have the final vote of conservative mps.- we have the final vote of conservative mps. away from that bit of politics and

looked at the torture post. —— the yorkshire post. looked at the torture post. -- the yorkshire post.— yorkshire post. this is really interesting _ yorkshire post. this is really interesting because - yorkshire post. this is really interesting because i - yorkshire post. this is really interesting because i was . yorkshire post. this is really - interesting because i was surprised that rwanda didn't come up in the debates — that rwanda didn't come up in the debates. rishi sunak said he would continue _ debates. rishi sunak said he would continue the policy, but i think what _ continue the policy, but i think what the — continue the policy, but i think what the other story is pointing out is that— what the other story is pointing out is that this — what the other story is pointing out is that this stage, this is no evidence _ is that this stage, this is no evidence of the numbers of people trying _ evidence of the numbers of people trying to— evidence of the numbers of people trying to cross the channel. also, it's in— trying to cross the channel. also, it's in the — trying to cross the channel. also, it's in the experts to deal with these — it's in the experts to deal with these problems, who failed to get through— these problems, who failed to get through your asylum system, who doesn't _ through your asylum system, who doesn't do — through your asylum system, who doesn't do that, that it does look like an— doesn't do that, that it does look like an awfully long way to go. it was written in a bad light. ultimately, the defence for priti patel— ultimately, the defence for priti patel would be doesn't work or doesn't — patel would be doesn't work or doesn't not. it is too early to say without —

doesn't not. it is too early to say without certainty, but i do think they— without certainty, but i do think they will— without certainty, but i do think they will have problems proving in short— they will have problems proving in short order that it is doing very much because there's so many other factors— much because there's so many other factors that — much because there's so many other factors that are active here as well as what— factors that are active here as well as what she — factors that are active here as well as what she hopes to be the deterrent.— as what she hopes to be the deterrent. . �*, ., , , deterrent. that's absolutely right, it's the fact _ deterrent. that's absolutely right, it's the fact that _ deterrent. that's absolutely right, it's the fact that like _ deterrent. that's absolutely right, it's the fact that like most - it's the fact that like most problems governments have to grapple with, it's not straightforward. firstly, i think you are right that you need to get a policy time to see what the outcome is, but firstly, those critical —— that political pressure. conservative mps in southern coastal areas who are more affected by this for obvious reasons, and whether as we head into spring and summer we needed a number of attempted crossings —— we knew. the government was under huge pressure to come up with the policy.

if mps don't see results, it'll be interesting to see how they react. but it's worth going back to... i think it was april when the secretary of the home office, essentially the most senior civil servant, he concluded that as far as he could see, there is insufficient evidence to prove that the rwanda policy successfully deter people. because those people are desperate, you don't make thatjourney often likely because it is so dangerous. we got to have that conversation about how much immigration do we need because we do have jobs that aren't being filled. ijust want need because we do have jobs that aren't being filled. i just want to quickly talk about the final story. the daily telegraph, bison to run free in woodlands project. i’m the daily telegraph, bison to run free in woodlands project. free in woodlands pro'ect. i'm very leased free in woodlands pro'ect. i'm very pleased about h free in woodlands pro'ect. i'm very

pleased about this! _ free in woodlands project. i'm very pleased about this! the _ free in woodlands project. i'm very i pleased about this! the environment secretary, he's been really keen to do, to reintroduce species to the country that disappeared perhaps decades, centuries ago. we have the bison being reintroduced. i think the beaver is another big project as well. i guess it's part of this wider initiative of the conservative government to try and notjust conserve the country's flare of —— the flora and fauna, but to resurrect it and improve it. i'm all for it. i think it's fantastic to have some bison around... just three of them, but — have some bison around... just three of them, but interesting _ have some bison around... just three of them, but interesting site - have some bison around... just three of them, but interesting site they - of them, but interesting site they will be. �* ., ., , �*, will be. i'm not an expert, it's strange. _ will be. i'm not an expert, it's strange. it— will be. i'm not an expert, it's

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