good morning, welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today — the uk's next prime minister — the final two candidates in the conservative leadership race, liz truss and rishi sunak, begin to set out their pitches to win over party members. as temperatures cool, families across the uk begin to deal with losing their homes in heatwave wildfires. did this week's heatwave add to the growing problem of food waste? after fridges failed in the hot temperatures, pictures emerged of empty shelves. why did it all have to be thrown away? i'll be finding out. coming together — the widows of roy castle and james brokenshire join forces

to call for national lung cancer screening. england fight back to reach the semi—finals of the euros. an extra—time time winner from georgia stanway sees them come from behind to beat spain. it's thought half of all kennels across the uk have closed during lockdown, but with many more of us now owning dogs, getting a space at a boarding house like this is now a very hard thing. good morning. today will be cooler than yesterday. for england, fairly cloudy with the odd shower. bright and sunnier in the west. i'll have all the details and more later in the programme. good morning. it's thursday zistjuly. our top story — two candidates are left in the race to replace borisjohnson, as rishi sunak and liz truss go head—to—head to become the next prime minister.

a key battleground is likely to be taxation, with ms truss promising immediate tax cuts, while mr sunak says he would wait until inflation was under control. our political correspondent jonathan blake reports. he's the former chancellor who quit borisjohnson�*s government, arguing now restraint is what's needed to get a grip on the economy. the question now for our members is, who is the best person to defeat keir starmer and the labour party at the next election? i believe i'm the only candidate who can do that. she's the foreign secretary with a tough reputation, who reckons rapid tax cuts are the answer to the rising cost of living. i'm the person who can go into number 10, i can hit the ground running and i can get things done, and i think that's what colleagues have voted for and that's what i now want to take to conservative members around the country. the final pair were chosen in one last round of voting by mps. therefore, rishi sunak and liz truss will be i the candidates going forward.

the trade minister penny mordaunt was eliminated after building significant support. allies blamed vicious media briefings against her. so what do we know about the two finalists to be our next prime minister? the former chancellor, rishi sunak, became an mp in 2015, voted leave in the eu referendum, and has said he wants to cut taxes, but only when inflation�*s under control. the foreign secretary liz truss was first elected in 2010, became a cabinet minister in 2014, and voted remain in the eu referendum, but rapidly became an enthusiast for brexit. she is promising immediate tax cuts. over the next several weeks, conservative party members will vote to determine their new leader and the country's next prime minister. so what do these young tories make of the contenders? i think in particular promises are cheap and i'm wanting to hear a candidate that is honest about the trade—offs that the country is facing. liz truss, i think, - is very good for the kind

of right wing of the party. but also i think rishi sunak has done a good job, as well. - so i think you need - to go in with an open mind to the hustings. these votes need to connect with absolutely everybody, not just ourselves. the fierce rivalry between the two candidates for number 10 promises plenty of heated debate about what the conservatives want from their leader, and the course they should set to govern the uk. jonathan blake, bbc news. let's speak now to our political correspondent iain watson, who's in westminster. iain, two very different candidates now vying to become the next leader. they now have to show the differences are a good thing. yes. they now have to show the differences are a good thing. yes, a difficult task— differences are a good thing. yes, a difficult task to _ differences are a good thing. yes, a difficult task to show _ differences are a good thing. yes, a difficult task to show how _ differences are a good thing. yes, a difficult task to show how different l difficult task to show how different they are from each other but also claim they can unite the party at the end of the process. the process now of course because of that of the conservative party membership, and while rishi sunak topped a popularity poll among his fellow

mps, pulling also suggests he is the underdog in the contest with the wider party membership, so plenty of opportunities for him to appeal to them via the bbc debate next monday and the sky debate about ten days later, but also these hostels and debates they have with party members. the first gets under way next week in leeds, in the last is on the 31st of august, so a summer of campaigning between them. what we had there from jonathan is the policy differences. this is inactive saying get inflation under control, tax cuts later. liz truss is saying tax cuts later. liz truss is saying tax cuts later. liz truss is saying tax cuts upfront. but what will also be important to conservative party members is who looks like a winner, and rishi sunak said he is the person best placed to connect with people who might not usually vote conservative. so this will be about personality as much as policy over the next few weeks. it will be about performance as well, as some of those policy differences. we performance as well, as some of those policy differences.- performance as well, as some of those policy differences. we will be watchin: those policy differences. we will be watching closely, _ those policy differences. we will be watching closely, as _ those policy differences. we will be watching closely, as i _ those policy differences. we will be watching closely, as i am _ those policy differences. we will be watching closely, as i am sure - those policy differences. we will be

watching closely, as i am sure you | watching closely, as i am sure you will be, too, iain. thanks very much. dozens of families are dealing with the aftermath of losing their homes in wildfires that started during the record—breaking heatwave. 15 areas around the uk declared a major incident when blazes broke out. laura tra nt reports. what looks like scenes from a hollywood movie are real—life horror stories. across the country, communities, including here in dagenham, are coming to terms with the destruction of the wild fires. gutted. my daughter was born there. i've been there for 27 years. it's first house i've actually sat down and settled in. i'm just totally gobsmacked. i don't know what i'm going to do now. down the road in wennington on the eastern edge of london, families are having to cope with the fire damage and having to explain to children about losing their homes.

i waited until i got to my mum's and we knew that my husband was safe. and then i sat down with the children and told them that we'd lost our home. my kids are upset that they've lost their favourite teddy bears that they've had since they were babies. and if my children are feeling that, the other children of the fires in rainham and dagenham yesterday are going to be feeling it too. the charred remains that tell a chilling tale of a nursery in the walnut tree area of milton keynes. but staff say they are determined to rebuild. we are the heart of walnut tree. i've been at the nursery 23 years, so we are the heart and we will be back and we will find temporary accommodation in the meantime, which is what we'rejust dealing with with our parents at the moment. all of the children and staff were safely evacuated from their nursery, but it's a lot for them to take in. some haven't really mentioned anything yet. others are sort of more concerned that they can't see their friends

more than anything. and then others are, you know, just worried because they thought the staff lived at the nursery, bless them! in norfolk, housemates patrick and annabel are living amongst the destruction. their house escaped the flames, but the building next to them didn't. in the back of our gardens, it kind of seems like a war zone, to be honest. the police have cordoned off the road as well, making sure people are all right. just kind of everything is chaotic, really, and come down the morning, you think, "i hope it was a dream" but reality, yeah, everything was a mess. in boston in lincolnshire, residents spent another night away from their homes after these flats were destroyed. although some flats escaped the worst of the damage, there are questions about how structurally sound they are. we have some kit inside the building, but we won't be able to retrieve that because it's not safe to go in and fetch it. and so we have to look at then

the impact of that on neighbouring buildings as well. in barnsley in south yorkshire, at least four homes on woodlands drive have been completely demolished by the fires, including dave cooper's parents' house. there's some personal things that we've lost that were sentimental to us. this was my parents' house. so, you know... but possessions, they can be replaced. but everybody�*s safe. that's the main thing. everybody�*s safe and everybody�*s well. i think the neighbours have all come together really good. fire brigades across the country are urging people not to light barbecues or bonfires and to avoid dropping cigarettes. the ground is so dry, the smallest spark can cause a massive fire. laura trant, bbc news. social media sites are now the number one source of news for teenagers, according to a survey by the broadcast regulator ofcom. instagram is the most popular source for young people, but print, tv, and radio news outlets still dominate in older age groups. here's more from our media

correspondent, david sillito. young teenagers are not the biggest consumers of news, but around half say they are interested in what's going on. but where are they getting it from? the answer, of course — their phones, tablets and computers. even for those studying media, tv and newspapers are far from the first port of call. due to the fact that we have an accessible, like, phone which knows everything and we are able to find all the information we need at a click of a button. it's almost unnecessary to us to purchase something when it's for free on our mobiles. the top—three places helping to keep them up to date are instagram, tiktok and youtube. and this is new — last year, the number—one source was bbc one. it's now slipped to number five. teenagers don't appear to be going directly to news brands online,

so just 5% say they use bbc news online. fewer than one in ten say they use a newspaper website. so it's much more that news is being pushed to them through their social feeds from a wide range of sources, and children do say that they recognise that they get a bigger range of opinion through their social media services than they do through other news organisations. however, tv as a whole is still bigger than any app or website, and the biggest overall source of news for teenagers? theirfamilies — and mum and dad are rather more likely to be getting their news from more traditional sources. david sillito, bbc news. russia says its military focus in ukraine is no longer only in the east of the country. his comments came as the us announced it would provide ukraine with more long—range weapons. james waterhouse is in kyiv for us.

can you give a sense of the significance of these words coming from russia? i think they are significant, but if you look a bit deeper, i don't think any of us can be surprised. we talked at length, didn't we, about russia's retreat at the end of march? they were forced to pull back from ukraine's capital, kyiv, at a time when they have surrounded it for more than a month. but it was clear that the invading forces had spread themselves too thin. then the kremlin said, we will focus now on ukraine's eastern dom bess region, soil that we see as being part of russia. and then yesterday, we have the words of sergey lavrov, vladimir putin's number two, russia's foreign minister, saint russia's goals could once again expand geographically. the explains the long—range missiles

being supplied to ukraine from the west to help them in their fight against the russians, but the reality is you just need to look at what the russians have taken. they occupy a fifth of ukraine and camden. yes, the games they are making are marginal. yes, those gains are coming at a high cost for both sides. but significantly, those are gains that are not looking likely to be surrendered any time soon. and by the fact that vladimir putin announced a special so—called military operation, it is clear that he wants to take as much of ukraine as possible. he wants to take as much of ukraine as possible-— as possible. james, for the moment, thank ou. nhs bosses are warning that some services may have to be cut to fund the pay increase in england. the government has announced doctors will receive a 4.5% pay rise, a rise backed by nhs england. the royal college of nursing has called for a 12.5% pay rise, and said it would ballot members over industrial action. now the weather with carol.

good morning. today is going to be slightly cooler than it was yesterday, for most of us. it will also be fairly cloudy, especially across south—east scotland and england, where we will have some spots of rain at times as well. but out towards the west, this is where we will see the line's share of the sunshine. splashes of rain this morning, and you can see where we have got the cloud, across most of england, south—east scotland, and it will be fairly persistent today, producing the odd shower for example around the lakes into yorkshire, lincolnshire perhaps, but south—west england, wales, northern ireland, and into scotland, seeing more in the way of sunshine. temperatures, 12 in the north to 25 as we pushed on towards the south. and although these temperatures are lower than they have been, for many, they are still above average for the time of year. heading into the evening and overnight, early evening we could see some of the cloud break, in full

sunshine for then the cloud becomes more widespread through the night, we see this line of showers developing, some of which could be heavy. overnight temperatures, nine to about 17 celsius. so the further south you come, it will still be quite a one night. tomorrow, we start off with all this cloud, and it will be quite a cloudy day for most. a system will produce some showers, some of which will be heavy and potentially thundery as well. but some brightness coming across some parts of the south, also part of wales and northern ireland. could catch a shower in southern counties later, as well as the channel islands, and with an onshore breeze down at the north sea coastline here, feeling a bit cooler. but temperatures up to 22 celsius. carol, thank you very much. the time now is 6.15. if you've noticed empty fridges in your local supermarket in the past few days, you're probably not alone. it's all down to the heat,

and there's calls for more to be done to stop food being wasted when fridges fail. hannah's with us and is looking into this one for us. lots of people this morning are saying they noticed the farage's were getting empty, struggling to fine a note in various supermarkets. well, we can answer that one for you right now.

—— struggling to fine milk in various supermarkets. —— find milk —— the frenchs were getting empty. —— the frenchs were getting empty. —— the fridges. the heatwave brought disruption to many of us, but some of the supermarkets really struggled to keep their cool. welcome to our virtual supermarket, where everything is just fine now the temperatures have dropped. but look at these pictures from the last couple of days. this is what some tesco stores were like — totally empty shelves, with signs saying the fridges are out of order. it wasn't just tesco — this is a sainsburys in london

which looks very similar. and here are aldi stores in northampton and hexham, where they stopped selling chilled food because of the heat. supermarkets told us the "exceptional temperatures" caused issues with fridges and freezers in—store. so what happened to all that cold and fresh food that suddenly couldn't be sold? a lot of it ended up going to waste. the law says shops can't redistribute food once a freezer or chiller has failed, which supermarkets say is important to protect customer health. one estimate suggests 250,000 tonnes of food is thrown away by supermarkets every year. and at a time when six million adults in the uk are facing food poverty, campaigners want more to be done. we'd like to see it as a legal requirement for all big food companies to report the amount of food they're wasting, and particularly what happens to that waste. we think that should be a mandatory requirement, and if companies are starting to report that transparently, it will in and of itself drive improvements and also help the government to identify the sorts of policy measures that could be put in place to tackle it. but retailers here already do give lots to those in need. supermarkets do give away hundreds of thousands of tonnes of food to charities every year. they're working to meet tough food—waste—reduction targets. but obviously, that can't be at the cost of safety and food—hygiene regulations. i would say that where a product

has been compromised, where a product is supposed to be chilled and hasn't been adequately chilled, then that temperature—control issue is a potential food—safety issue. environmental health told us that retailers have a duty of care to consumers, which also extends to when food is given away. and it's worth saying sainsbury�*s did come back to us to say that, where their food is no longer safe for human consumption, it goes off to be animal feed or green energy. the government told us the uk is a global leader in tackling food waste, and it was providing more cash to make sure surplus fresh produce doesn't get thrown out. as for the empty shelves, supermarkets say they're working to get stock back in the fridges as quickly as possible. we will be following this all morning, really keen to hearfrom you. if you have seen empty shelves, let's see what people come back to us with. people always get in touch, you will get lots of pictures of

shelves. you never thought he would be as interested in shelves as you will be on breakfast. get in touch the usual way. thanks, hannah. let's take a look at today's papers — they all lead on the conservative leadership race. the telegraph carries a picture of the final two candidates — rishi sunak and liz truss. the paper says the advantage is with ms truss as the final stage begins, with recent polls suggesting party members favour her over mr sunak. the guardian's headline says the coming weeks look set to be a "blue on blue dog fight." it reveals private cabinet discussions during the first two televised debates, and says both campaigns admit they expect "a summer of difficult headlines" for the candidates. meanwhile, the times reports that mr sunak has told tory members that they should vote for him or risk losing power. it quotes the former chancellor saying he believes he is the "only candidate" who can beat labour, but also reports that his team believes he needs to gain momentum

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sometimes? i can't see it. along with the food shelves, keep your thoughts coming in to us. the time now is 6.22. more coming up on england's win over spain at the euros. lung cancer is the most common cause of cancer death in the uk, and two women who know this better than most are cathy brokenshire and fiona castle. cathy lost her husband james brokenshire, the former northern ireland secretary, to the disease, and fiona is the widow of the musician and television presenter roy castle. both women are campaigning for a national lung cancer screening programme to be available to everyone, regardless of risk factor or age. our reporter, zoe conway, was there when they met for the very first time. morning, maggie. it's 1986, and roy castle is trying to beat a world record by parasailing under ten london bridges. there we go.

we're through. absolutely magic. fearless and seemingly always happy. he was the much—loved presenter of record breakers for 20 years. and the news is that roy's a record breaker. we've got time for a lap of honour. someone who remembers watching roy's programmes growing up is cathy brokenshire. it's one reason why she wanted to meet fiona castle. cathy's husband, james, died of lung cancer last october. roy castle died 27 years ago, so they both now know what it's like to return to an empty home. there are so many facets of it, aren't there? when you've had an exciting day or something's happened, you go home. "i've got nobody to tell." yeah. there's a sort of loneliness about it that you don't anticipate before.

you know, i've had family, friends and neighbours have been absolutely incredible. and you really notice it when you're on your own. yes. yes, you really do. roy castle and his four children performing together for a christmas special. he said that one of the hardest things about his cancer diagnosis was telling his family. i had to phone my son in norway. and as soon as he came on the phone... ..i couldn't speak. fiona had to take over. we suddenly realised that what we had, which has always been so super as a family, might be coming to an end. and there was a lot of sadness there. as roy castle endured gruelling treatments, the nation watched. the discipline of keeping still is the hardest part of it. never before had a public figure been so open about their cancer. he'd never smoked.

his case helped bring to light the dangers of passive smoking, and he raised hundreds of thousands of pounds for lung cancer research. roy never got worried about it. he just took it on. and, "this is the way it is, and i'm going to fight it right to the end," and he did. james brokenshire was secretary of state for northern ireland when he got his diagnosis. he'd also never smoked. from everything i've seen and experienced, early diagnosis and treatment lies at the heart of this. that's why i believe that a national screening programme for lung cancer is needed. a minute's silence forjames brokenshire. he was known as the nicest man in politics.

he said to friends, "i've had a good life, you know, i've achieved what i've wanted to. i've married an amazing woman and i've got three brilliant kids. i've made a difference." both roy and james died some two and a half years after their diagnosis. he died at 5.00 in the morning, and i tried to phone all my relatives and his relatives so that they wouldn't find out through the press. that was one of the things for me. _ because i knew it was going to happen very quickly. and the morning thatjames died, again, knowing that it was going to break, i was trying to phone friends, and other friends were phoning otherfriends. and i have i was having people on the phone crying uncontrollably to me, and me trying to calm them down and trying to stay strong. after roy died, fiona went on a world tour to raise awareness, meeting leaders such as nelson mandela. now it's cathy's turn to hit the campaign trail. she's meeting geoff smith. his lung cancer was caught early

thanks to targeted screening. one morning, i sawl a letter on the floor, from the nhs, i thought, "what's all this about?" i and it just said that there was a . lung cancer screening programme in salford for people between 55 and 74. i he went for the scan. a tumour measuring nine millimeters was discovered. the doctor said in 18 months' time, it would have been a differentl conversation, which was scary. geoff is an ex—smoker. he lives in an area with a high rate

of smoking, which is why he was targeted for the scan. cathy wants the screening programme to be widened to non—smokers. my husband never smoked, so under the current schemes and what's happening under the current pilot schemes he wouldn't even get looked at. but we've got to start somewhere, and we've got to start with the high risk people. and as you say, once we get more stories like yours, then we can prove that it works. they were all wearing pairs of roy's shoes. can you see? cathy and fiona have so much in common, not least that they were both with their husbands for 31 years. you know, people say, "oh, only 31 years," but i think i was privileged to have such a lovely person for such a long time. i'm so glad you say that, because i feel that i was blessed to have met him. and yes, i was only withjames for 31 years. and yes, that time was cut short. but he's enriched my life and we had a ball. ready?

let the drums roll out. and now it seems only fitting if the final word goes to roy castle. # i can't go on with a happy song # bye—bye.# lovely finishing that piece that way with roy castle. fiona and cathy will both be with us a little later on the sofa this morning, talking more about that campaign that they are involved in. that will be this morning just after 8.00. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london. the mayor will today thank some of the firefighters who helped tackle the blazes seen across the capital over the last couple of days. more than a0 homes were destoyed in the fires, which saw many families lose everything.

the london fire brigade said it responded to more than 1,000 incidents at the height of the fires. meanwhile, donations of clothes and other items are continuing to be made to help those in need. local volunteers say they're being overwhelmed with a range to those that need it as quickly as they can. they're coming in roughly every sort of 20 minutes, half hour, sometimes two or three at a time. i'd say we've had at least 50 people drop off stuff at least today, and they're all coming in with at least three orfour bags, plus. so the community are making a great response. very good response, yeah, yeah, very good. great response. really helpful. i'm really appreciative for everything the community's done. tfl have said a cycle lane built on one of london's busiest roads during the pandemic will be removed. it said the lane on euston road wasn't working, is delaying buses, and not enough cyclists are using it. it also said there had been more congestion since the lane was built,

making bus journeys slower. it's been ten years since the london olympic games transformed a former industrial site in east london. one of the main aims of the games was to be the greenest ever. a decade on, we've been back to look at the legacy the olympics have left. ten years later, we've not only got a brilliant, brilliant park, but now i think what east london has got is an enviable resource. and you can see more on this story tonight at 6.30 as part of our olympic legacy series. let's take a look at the travel situation. now the weather with elizabeth rizzini. hello, good morning. feeling a little cooler again today from where we were yesterday, so another drop in temperature. we're now seeing temperatures round about the average for this time of year, but there will be a lot of cloud with it. now, certainly, it was a fresher—feeling night last night — we're starting off the morning

between 1a and 16 degrees celsius, 17 in central london. plenty of cloud throughout the course of the day. some of that cloud could produce one or two light showers here and there, but most places will stay dry with the best chance of any brightness out towards western home counties. a very light northerly wind, and temperatures peaking between 23, maybe as high as 25 degrees celsius. now through this evening and overnight, then, it should stay dry. there will be some clearer spells, but we are set to keep those layers of clouds, too, as we head into friday morning. on friday, a little feature moving eastwards could bring us the chance of a few showers for the garden, but they won't be everywhere. some sunshine again emerging through the afternoon and then, as we head through the weekend, it's dry with more sunshine in the forecast. temperatures start to rise once more — maybe 30 degrees by sunday, but without that oppressive heat that we saw earlier on in the week. i'm back with the latest from the bbc london newsroom in half an hour. plenty more on our website at the usual address. now, though, it's back

to charlie and naga. bye for now. good morning, welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. good morning. rishi sunak and liz truss are the final two candidates that have been chosen to go head—to—head in the race to become the next prime minister and leader of the conservative party. the pair won the top two places of the leadership contest, after five rounds of voting by mps. here's what we know about them. the former chancellor rishi sunak became an mp in 2015. he voted leave in the eu referendum. he has said he wants to cut taxes, but only when inflation is under control. the current foreign secretary, liz truss, was first elected in 2010 — she became a cabinet minister in 2014. she voted remain in the eu referendum, but rapidly became an enthusiast for brexit. one of her promises is to make immediate tax cuts.

let's speak to jack blanchard, uk editor for politico, and george parker, political editor at the financial times. good morning to you both. shall we just lay out, who do you think will win, jack? , , , . , win, jack? this trust is currently in ole win, jack? this trust is currently in pole position. _ win, jack? this trust is currently in pole position. this _ win, jack? this trust is currently in pole position. this is - win, jack? this trust is currently in pole position. this is about i win, jack? this trust is currently l in pole position. this is about not of the _ in pole position. this is about not of the whole general public but of around _ of the whole general public but of around 200,000 or so conservative party— around 200,000 or so conservative party members and what polling has been done _ party members and what polling has been done of them would indicate they mostly prefer liz truss to rishi _ they mostly prefer liz truss to rishi sunak, largely because she is promising — rishi sunak, largely because she is promising big tax cuts straightaway which _ promising big tax cuts straightaway which is _ promising big tax cuts straightaway which is meat and drink to tory party— which is meat and drink to tory party members. it is not too late for rishi — party members. it is not too late for rishi sunak to turn it around but he _ for rishi sunak to turn it around but he doesn't have a long, the ballot _ but he doesn't have a long, the ballot papers go out in a couple of weeks _ ballot papers go out in a couple of weeks and — ballot papers go out in a couple of weeks and he has to move very fast to try— weeks and he has to move very fast to try to— weeks and he has to move very fast to try to change his image in the eyes _ to try to change his image in the eyes of— to try to change his image in the eyes of those party members. george, who do ou eyes of those party members. george, who do you think— eyes of those party members. george, who do you think will— eyes of those party members. george, who do you think will win? _ eyes of those party members. george, who do you think will win? i _ eyes of those party members. george, who do you think will win? i agree - who do you think will win? i agree that liz truss _ who do you think will win? i agree that liz truss does _ who do you think will win? i agree that liz truss does is _ who do you think will win? i agree that liz truss does is the - who do you think will win? i agree| that liz truss does is the favourite but i _ that liz truss does is the favourite but i don't — that liz truss does is the favourite but i don't think— that liz truss does is the favourite but i don't think it _ that liz truss does is the favourite but i don't think it is _ that liz truss does is the favourite but i don't think it is a _

that liz truss does is the favourite but i don't think it is a foregone i but i don't think it is a foregone conclusion— but i don't think it is a foregone conclusion hy— but i don't think it is a foregone conclusion by any— but i don't think it is a foregone conclusion by any means. - but i don't think it is a foregone conclusion by any means. she i but i don't think it is a foregone - conclusion by any means. she sings that tune _ conclusion by any means. she sings that tune was — conclusion by any means. she sings that tune was the _ conclusion by any means. she sings that tune was the membership - conclusion by any means. she sings that tune was the membership likei conclusion by any means. she sings. that tune was the membership like to hear on _ that tune was the membership like to hear on low— that tune was the membership like to hear on low taxes _ that tune was the membership like to hear on low taxes and _ that tune was the membership like to hear on low taxes and she _ that tune was the membership like to hear on low taxes and she resembles| hear on low taxes and she resembles margaret— hear on low taxes and she resembles margaret thatcher _ hear on low taxes and she resembles margaret thatcher in _ hear on low taxes and she resembles margaret thatcher in some _ hear on low taxes and she resembles margaret thatcher in some of- hear on low taxes and she resembles margaret thatcher in some of the - margaret thatcher in some of the things— margaret thatcher in some of the things she — margaret thatcher in some of the things she says— margaret thatcher in some of the things she says and _ margaret thatcher in some of the things she says and the _ margaret thatcher in some of the things she says and the clothes . margaret thatcher in some of the . things she says and the clothes she wears— things she says and the clothes she wears and _ things she says and the clothes she wears and i— things she says and the clothes she wears and i think— things she says and the clothes she wears and i think there _ things she says and the clothes she wears and i think there is _ things she says and the clothes she wears and i think there is still- wears and i think there is still that— wears and i think there is still that residual— wears and i think there is still that residual fat— wears and i think there is still that residual fat check- wears and i think there is stilli that residual fat check worship wears and i think there is still- that residual fat check worship but rishi sunak's big trump— that residual fat check worship but rishi sunak's big trump card - that residual fat check worship but rishi sunak's big trump card is - that residual fat check worship but rishi sunak's big trump card is hel rishi sunak's big trump card is he claims to— rishi sunak's big trump card is he claims to he — rishi sunak's big trump card is he claims to be the one who- claims to be the one who will win the next — claims to be the one who will win the next election. _ claims to be the one who will win the next election. a— claims to be the one who will win the next election. a lot _ claims to be the one who will win the next election. a lot of - claims to be the one who will win| the next election. a lot of opinion potting _ the next election. a lot of opinion potting of— the next election. a lot of opinion polling of members _ the next election. a lot of opinion polling of members of— the next election. a lot of opinion polling of members of the - the next election. a lot of opinion polling of members of the publicl the next election. a lot of opinion - polling of members of the public who don't have _ polling of members of the public who don't have a — polling of members of the public who don't have a vote _ polling of members of the public who don't have a vote at _ polling of members of the public who don't have a vote at this _ polling of members of the public who don't have a vote at this stage - don't have a vote at this stage suggests— don't have a vote at this stage suggests they _ don't have a vote at this stage suggests they would - don't have a vote at this stage suggests they would rather. don't have a vote at this stage i suggests they would rather vote don't have a vote at this stage - suggests they would rather vote for rishi sunak— suggests they would rather vote for rishi sunak than _ suggests they would rather vote for rishi sunak than liz _ suggests they would rather vote for rishi sunak than liz truss, - suggests they would rather vote for rishi sunak than liz truss, that - suggests they would rather vote for rishi sunak than liz truss, that it. rishi sunak than liz truss, that it is key— rishi sunak than liz truss, that it is key card, — rishi sunak than liz truss, that it is key card, appealing _ rishi sunak than liz truss, that it is key card, appealing to - rishi sunak than liz truss, that it. is key card, appealing to members' heads _ is key card, appealing to members' heads over— is key card, appealing to members' heads over their— is key card, appealing to members' heads over their hearts. _ is key card, appealing to members' heads over their hearts. it - is key card, appealing to members' heads over their hearts. it is - is key card, appealing to members' heads over their hearts.— heads over their hearts. it is a cufious heads over their hearts. it is a curious process _ heads over their hearts. it is a curious process over _ heads over their hearts. it is a curious process over the - heads over their hearts. it is a curious process over the next| heads over their hearts. it is a i curious process over the next five weeks or so because in a way they are not speaking to most of us. they are not speaking to most of us. they are talking to a very specific audience, and if you look already through some of the language they are using, they are gearing it very precisely to the conservative membership. where does the rest of the nation fit into what we will hear over the next few weeks? something like 99.8% of the british

public— something like 99.8% of the british public don't — something like 99.8% of the british public don't have _ something like 99.8% of the british public don't have a _ something like 99.8% of the british public don't have a vote _ something like 99.8% of the british public don't have a vote in - something like 99.8% of the british public don't have a vote in this i public don't have a vote in this book_ public don't have a vote in this book so— public don't have a vote in this book so a _ public don't have a vote in this book so a lot _ public don't have a vote in this book so a lot of _ public don't have a vote in this book so a lot of it _ public don't have a vote in this book so a lot of it will- public don't have a vote in this book so a lot of it will go - public don't have a vote in this book so a lot of it will go over| book so a lot of it will go over their— book so a lot of it will go over their heads _ book so a lot of it will go over their heads. what _ book so a lot of it will go over their heads. what you'll - book so a lot of it will go over their heads. what you'll hearl book so a lot of it will go over. their heads. what you'll hear is book so a lot of it will go over i their heads. what you'll hear is a lot of— their heads. what you'll hear is a lot of nose — their heads. what you'll hear is a lot of nose doing _ their heads. what you'll hear is a lot of nose doing a _ their heads. what you'll hear is a lot of nose doing a noise - their heads. what you'll hear is a lot of nose doing a noise in- lot of nose doing a noise in supportive _ lot of nose doing a noise in supportive papers - lot of nose doing a noise in supportive papers where i lot of nose doing a noise in. supportive papers where both candidates _ supportive papers where both candidates have _ supportive papers where both candidates have articles - supportive papers where both candidates have articles or. candidates have articles or interviews _ candidates have articles or interviews today _ candidates have articles or interviews today and - candidates have articles or interviews today and theyl candidates have articles or. interviews today and they will candidates have articles or- interviews today and they will be talking _ interviews today and they will be talking about _ interviews today and they will be talking about things _ interviews today and they will be talking about things which - interviews today and they will be i talking about things which sometimes people _ talking about things which sometimes people in_ talking about things which sometimes people in the — talking about things which sometimes people in the wider— talking about things which sometimes people in the wider world _ talking about things which sometimes people in the wider world are - talking about things which sometimes people in the wider world are not i talking about things which sometimes people in the wider world are not so i people in the wider world are not so concerned _ people in the wider world are not so concerned about. _ people in the wider world are not so concerned about. the _ people in the wider world are not so concerned about. the first - people in the wider world are not so concerned about. the first stage i people in the wider world are not so concerned about. the first stage ofl concerned about. the first stage of this contest — concerned about. the first stage of this contest we _ concerned about. the first stage of this contest we heard _ concerned about. the first stage of this contest we heard a _ concerned about. the first stage of this contest we heard a lot - concerned about. the first stage of this contest we heard a lot about . this contest we heard a lot about the rights — this contest we heard a lot about the rights of— this contest we heard a lot about the rights of transgender- this contest we heard a lot about the rights of transgender people | this contest we heard a lot about i the rights of transgender people and we heard _ the rights of transgender people and we heard a _ the rights of transgender people and we heard a lot — the rights of transgender people and we heard a lot about _ the rights of transgender people and we heard a lot about tax _ the rights of transgender people and we heard a lot about tax cutting. i the rights of transgender people and we heard a lot about tax cutting. a l we heard a lot about tax cutting. a lot of— we heard a lot about tax cutting. a lot of people — we heard a lot about tax cutting. a lot of people in _ we heard a lot about tax cutting. a lot of people in the _ we heard a lot about tax cutting. a lot of people in the real— we heard a lot about tax cutting. a lot of people in the real world i we heard a lot about tax cutting. a lot of people in the real world willi lot of people in the real world will want _ lot of people in the real world will want to— lot of people in the real world will want to hear— lot of people in the real world will want to hear about _ lot of people in the real world will want to hear about what - lot of people in the real world will want to hear about what the - want to hear about what the candidates _ want to hear about what the candidates will _ want to hear about what the candidates will do _ want to hear about what the candidates will do to - want to hear about what the i candidates will do to alleviate the cost-of-tiving _ candidates will do to alleviate the cost—of—living crisis _ candidates will do to alleviate the cost—of—living crisis which - candidates will do to alleviate the cost—of—living crisis which is i cost—of—living crisis which is affecting _ cost—of—living crisis which is affecting people _ cost—of—living crisis which is affecting people now. - cost-of-living crisis which is affecting people now.- cost-of-living crisis which is affecting people now. jack, do you want to pick _ affecting people now. jack, do you want to pick up — affecting people now. jack, do you want to pick up on _ affecting people now. jack, do you want to pick up on that _ affecting people now. jack, do you want to pick up on that as - affecting people now. jack, do you want to pick up on that as that i affecting people now. jack, do you want to pick up on that as that is i want to pick up on that as that is exactly right, it is a strange process where the general public are appearing in with process where the general public are a- -aearin in process where the general public are auearina in , appearing in with their noses a . ainst appearing in with their noses against the _ appearing in with their noses against the glass _ appearing in with their noses against the glass but - appearing in with their noses against the glass but they i appearing in with their noses i against the glass but they don't get any say— against the glass but they don't get any say in _ against the glass but they don't get any say in who gets to be the next prime _ any say in who gets to be the next prime minister. but you tend to see

is the _ prime minister. but you tend to see is the candidates almost in an arms race to _ is the candidates almost in an arms race to appeal to that particular smatt— race to appeal to that particular small set— race to appeal to that particular small set of people who do get to decide _ small set of people who do get to decide and so we will see increasingly right—wing policies from _ increasingly right—wing policies from each of them over the next few weeks _ from each of them over the next few weeks as— from each of them over the next few weeks as they try to outdo each other— weeks as they try to outdo each other to — weeks as they try to outdo each other to appeal to the tory party members — other to appeal to the tory party members. the question is whether rishi _ members. the question is whether rishi sunak's more measured message on tax. _ rishi sunak's more measured message on tax. that— rishi sunak's more measured message on tax, that we have to wait for the cuts untit— on tax, that we have to wait for the cuts until the economy is in a better— cuts until the economy is in a better place, it will resonate with those _ better place, it will resonate with those people or whether they are going _ those people or whether they are going to — those people or whether they are going to go with their hearts as george — going to go with their hearts as george suggests and back the person promising _ george suggests and back the person promising cuts straightaway. is george suggests and back the person promising cuts straightaway. is it promising cuts straightaway. is it the riaht promising cuts straightaway. is it the right strategy to push themselves as following in the line of thatcher. rishi sunak says, i am running as a thatcherite and i will govern as a thatcherite. liz truss says, the people canjust govern as a thatcherite. liz truss says, the people can just meet to govern as a conservative. george, who is more thatcherite? liz truss sliuhtl who is more thatcherite? liz truss slightly overdoes _ who is more thatcherite? liz truss slightly overdoes it. _

who is more thatcherite? liz truss slightly overdoes it. she _ who is more thatcherite? liz truss slightly overdoes it. she is - who is more thatcherite? liz truss slightly overdoes it. she is a i who is more thatcherite? liz truss slightly overdoes it. she is a form | slightly overdoes it. she is a form at liberat— slightly overdoes it. she is a form at liberal democrat _ slightly overdoes it. she is a form at liberal democrat and _ slightly overdoes it. she is a form at liberal democrat and she - slightly overdoes it. she is a form| at liberal democrat and she voted remain _ at liberal democrat and she voted remain in — at liberal democrat and she voted remain in the _ at liberal democrat and she voted remain in the referendum - at liberal democrat and she voted remain in the referendum so- at liberal democrat and she voted remain in the referendum so shei remain in the referendum so she tends _ remain in the referendum so she tends to— remain in the referendum so she tends to overcompensate - remain in the referendum so she tends to overcompensate a - remain in the referendum so she tends to overcompensate a bit. . tends to overcompensate a bit. remember— tends to overcompensate a bit. rememberthat_ tends to overcompensate a bit. remember that picture - tends to overcompensate a bit. remember that picture in i tends to overcompensate a bit. i remember that picture in estonia when _ remember that picture in estonia when she — remember that picture in estonia when she was— remember that picture in estonia when she was sitting _ remember that picture in estonia when she was sitting on - remember that picture in estonia when she was sitting on top - remember that picture in estonia when she was sitting on top of i remember that picture in estonia when she was sitting on top of a i when she was sitting on top of a tank, _ when she was sitting on top of a tank, echoing— when she was sitting on top of a tank, echoing a _ when she was sitting on top of a tank, echoing a famous- when she was sitting on top of a tank, echoing a famous image i when she was sitting on top of a | tank, echoing a famous image of margaret— tank, echoing a famous image of margaret thatcher. _ tank, echoing a famous image of margaret thatcher. in _ tank, echoing a famous image of margaret thatcher. in one - tank, echoing a famous image of margaret thatcher. in one of- tank, echoing a famous image of margaret thatcher. in one of the| tank, echoing a famous image of. margaret thatcher. in one of the tv debates _ margaret thatcher. in one of the tv debates she — margaret thatcher. in one of the tv debates she wore _ margaret thatcher. in one of the tv debates she wore an _ margaret thatcher. in one of the tv debates she wore an outfit - margaret thatcher. in one of the tv debates she wore an outfit that i margaret thatcher. in one of the tv debates she wore an outfit that wasj debates she wore an outfit that was exactly _ debates she wore an outfit that was exactly the — debates she wore an outfit that was exactly the same _ debates she wore an outfit that was exactly the same as _ debates she wore an outfit that was exactly the same as one _ debates she wore an outfit that was exactly the same as one margaret i exactly the same as one margaret thatcher— exactly the same as one margaret thatcher wore _ exactly the same as one margaret thatcher wore with _ exactly the same as one margaret thatcher wore with a _ exactly the same as one margaret thatcher wore with a pussy - exactly the same as one margaret thatcher wore with a pussy bow. exactly the same as one margareti thatcher wore with a pussy bow on the front — thatcher wore with a pussy bow on the front the _ thatcher wore with a pussy bow on the front. the members _ thatcher wore with a pussy bow on the front. the members tend i thatcher wore with a pussy bow on the front. the members tend to i thatcher wore with a pussy bow on| the front. the members tend to be thatcher wore with a pussy bow on . the front. the members tend to be a bit older— the front. the members tend to be a bit older and — the front. the members tend to be a bit older and will— the front. the members tend to be a bit older and will certainly— bit older and will certainly remember— bit older and will certainly remember margaret - bit older and will certainly- remember margaret thatcher even though _ remember margaret thatcher even though she — remember margaret thatcher even though she hasn't _ remember margaret thatcher even though she hasn't been _ remember margaret thatcher even though she hasn't been prime i though she hasn't been prime minister— though she hasn't been prime minister for— though she hasn't been prime minister for 30 _ though she hasn't been prime minister for 30 years. - though she hasn't been prime minister for 30 years. rishi i though she hasn't been prime i minister for 30 years. rishi sunak is somewhere _ minister for 30 years. rishi sunak is somewhere to _ minister for 30 years. rishi sunak is somewhere to the _ minister for 30 years. rishi sunak is somewhere to the left - minister for 30 years. rishi sunak is somewhere to the left of - minister for 30 years. rishi sunak is somewhere to the left of liz i is somewhere to the left of liz truss. — is somewhere to the left of liz truss. i— is somewhere to the left of liz truss, i think— is somewhere to the left of liz truss, i think he _ is somewhere to the left of liz truss, i think he is _ is somewhere to the left of liz truss, i think he is a _ is somewhere to the left of liz truss, i think he is a centrist, i truss, i think he is a centrist, typical— truss, i think he is a centrist, typical modern _ truss, i think he is a centrist, typical modern conservative. i truss, i think he is a centrist, . typical modern conservative. he believes— typical modern conservative. he believes in— typical modern conservative. he believes in smaller— typical modern conservative. he believes in smaller state - typical modern conservative. he believes in smaller state and . typical modern conservative. he i believes in smaller state and lower taxes _ believes in smaller state and lower taxes when — believes in smaller state and lower taxes when he _ believes in smaller state and lower taxes when he can _ believes in smaller state and lower taxes when he can afford _ believes in smaller state and lower taxes when he can afford them - believes in smaller state and lower taxes when he can afford them and margaret _ taxes when he can afford them and margaret thatcher _ taxes when he can afford them and margaret thatcher put _ taxes when he can afford them and margaret thatcher put up - taxes when he can afford them and margaret thatcher put up taxes - margaret thatcher put up taxes before — margaret thatcher put up taxes before she _ margaret thatcher put up taxes before she started _ margaret thatcher put up taxes before she started cutting - margaret thatcher put up taxes| before she started cutting them margaret thatcher put up taxes - before she started cutting them back in the _ before she started cutting them back in the 19805 — before she started cutting them back in the 1980s because _ before she started cutting them back in the 1980s because she _ before she started cutting them back in the 1980s because she believed i before she started cutting them back in the 1980s because she believed in| in the 1980s because she believed in sound _

in the 1980s because she believed in sound money — in the 19805 because she believed in sound money-— in the 1980s because she believed in sound money-— sound money. jack, can i ask about how they will _ sound money. jack, can i ask about how they will try — sound money. jack, can i ask about how they will try to _ sound money. jack, can i ask about how they will try to navigate - sound money. jack, can i ask about how they will try to navigate boris i how they will try to navigate boris johnson and the issue of how close they were to him and now how they distinguish themselves from him? this will be a fascinating process. it is a really interesting one because _ it is a really interesting one because it was rishi sunak's resignationjust a because it was rishi sunak's resignation just a couple because it was rishi sunak's resignationjust a couple of because it was rishi sunak's resignation just a couple of weeks ago. _ resignation just a couple of weeks ago, although it feels like 100 years— ago, although it feels like 100 years ago, which triggered this whole — years ago, which triggered this whole collapse of borisjohnson's government in the end and brought him down _ government in the end and brought him down and there is a sort of mythology within british politics that any— mythology within british politics that any politician who actually wields — that any politician who actually wields the knife and brings down a leader— wields the knife and brings down a leader tends not to end up winning the subsequent contest because they are seen— the subsequent contest because they are seen as _ the subsequent contest because they are seen as having been disloyal and there _ are seen as having been disloyal and there is— are seen as having been disloyal and there is definitely danger for rishi sunak— there is definitely danger for rishi sunak that he is painted in that way and in _ sunak that he is painted in that way and in his— sunak that he is painted in that way and in his last pm queues yesterday you had _ and in his last pm queues yesterday you had borisjohnson taking a swipe at rishi _ you had borisjohnson taking a swipe at rishi sunak as he departed from the dispatch box. there is no love

lost _ the dispatch box. there is no love lost tory— the dispatch box. there is no love lost. tory party members who like boris _ lost. tory party members who like borisjohnson and maybe regret lost. tory party members who like boris johnson and maybe regret the fact he _ boris johnson and maybe regret the fact he has— boris johnson and maybe regret the fact he has gone will certainly not be viewing at rishi sunak in a positive — be viewing at rishi sunak in a positive way because of that. liz truss _ positive way because of that. liz truss has — positive way because of that. liz truss has tried to stay out of it or at least _ truss has tried to stay out of it or at least tried to suggest she has stayed _ at least tried to suggest she has stayed out of it. somewhat say she has been _ stayed out of it. somewhat say she has been planning her own leadership can pay— has been planning her own leadership can pay for— has been planning her own leadership can pay for many months but she has certainly— can pay for many months but she has certainly not — can pay for many months but she has certainly not been tarred with the same _ certainly not been tarred with the same brush so that might help her now that _ same brush so that might help her now that borisjohnson has gone and nrany_ now that borisjohnson has gone and many of— now that borisjohnson has gone and many of members suddenly start remember him more fondly than they did when— remember him more fondly than they did when he _ remember him more fondly than they did when he was prime minister. george. — did when he was prime minister. george. in— did when he was prime minister. george, in the meantime, government work needs to be done. there is stuff to do. parliament is rising this week but there is work to be done. does liz truss have the advantage in the sense she can at least show that she is doing something to help govern the country? i something to help govern the count? , ,, , country? i suppose so. she is continuing — country? i suppose so. she is continuing cabinet _ country? i suppose so. she is continuing cabinet minister, l country? i suppose so. she is- continuing cabinet minister, which will helb — continuing cabinet minister, which will help. tybically_ continuing cabinet minister, which will help. typically not _ continuing cabinet minister, which will help. typically not much - will help. typically not much happens _ will help. typically not much happens over— will help. typically not much happens over the _ will help. typically not much happens overthe summer. will help. typically not much - happens over the summer break. will help. typically not much _ happens over the summer break. there are huge _ happens over the summer break. there are huge problems _ happens over the summer break. there are huge problems are _ happens over the summer break. there are huge problems are piling _ happens over the summer break. there are huge problems are piling up - happens over the summer break. there are huge problems are piling up for- are huge problems are piling up for the country — are huge problems are piling up for

the country. and _ are huge problems are piling up for the country. and there _ are huge problems are piling up for the country. and there is— are huge problems are piling up for the country. and there is a - are huge problems are piling up for the country. and there is a war- are huge problems are piling up for the country. and there is a war in l the country. and there is a war in europe _ the country. and there is a war in europe we — the country. and there is a war in europe. we will— the country. and there is a war in europe. we will see _ the country. and there is a war in europe. we will see liz— the country. and there is a war in europe. we will see liz truss - the country. and there is a war in i europe. we will see liz truss make official— europe. we will see liz truss make official visits — europe. we will see liz truss make official visits to _ europe. we will see liz truss make official visits to remind _ europe. we will see liz truss make official visits to remind people - official visits to remind people that she — official visits to remind people that she is _ official visits to remind people that she is still— official visits to remind people that she is still in _ official visits to remind people that she is still in the - official visits to remind people that she is still in the cabinetl official visits to remind people i that she is still in the cabinet in a very— that she is still in the cabinet in a very high— that she is still in the cabinet in a very high profile _ that she is still in the cabinet in a very high profile job. - that she is still in the cabinet in a very high profile job. it - that she is still in the cabinet in a very high profile job. it is - that she is still in the cabinet in a very high profile job. it is not| a very high profile job. it is not beyond — a very high profile job. it is not beyond the _ a very high profile job. it is not beyond the realms _ a very high profile job. it is not beyond the realms of - a very high profile job. it is notl beyond the realms of possibility that she — beyond the realms of possibility that she goes _ beyond the realms of possibility that she goes to _ beyond the realms of possibility that she goes to ukraine - beyond the realms of possibility that she goes to ukraine during| beyond the realms of possibility. that she goes to ukraine during the contest _ that she goes to ukraine during the contest. . ., that she goes to ukraine during the contest. , ., . ,, , ., that she goes to ukraine during the contest. . ., . ~ , ., , ., contest. george, thank you. george parker, political— contest. george, thank you. george parker, political editor _ contest. george, thank you. george parker, political editor at _ contest. george, thank you. george parker, political editor at the - parker, political editor at the financial times and jack blanchard, editor at politico. great result yesterday. good morning. throat is a bit sore and the nerves, it took a while for me to get to sleep last night because my nerves were shot but very good result for england.— result for england. captain leah williamson _ result for england. captain leah williamson apologised - result for england. captain leah williamson apologised to - result for england. captain leah williamson apologised to the i result for england. captain leah - williamson apologised to the nation afterwards saying sorry to keep everybody up was not in many ways, classic england. too easy in the group stages, massive wins, they kept us on the edge of our seat, but fantastic down in brighton because i was there yesterday morning and even on the beach there was a builder and england fans enjoying themselves.

victoria gardens, great park, family crowd and they got a special result because england were six minutes from going out at these championships before an equaliser and then georgia stanway�*s winner in extra time, getting the job done against spain. it finished 2—1 to the lioness is so through they go. our sports correspondent natalie pirks was watching. the calming presence of sarina wiegman back on the bench after covid. under her, england were unbeaten, but they couldn't afford a slow start against a team chock—full of champions league winners. it's a free header once again. and it'sjust wide. the free—flowing england of the group stage had gone, with the forwards labouring. ellen white thought she'd carved spain's defence open... the flag's gone up! ..but her celebrations were premature. in the second half, spain turned their patient probing into all—out attack. lovely touch, pulls it back. spain lead.

that's the first goal england had conceded in the tournament. time to send on the cavalry. there was an immediate injection of pace and, with just six minutes to go, two super subs combined for the lifeline. ella toone with a massive goal! extra time, and now england needed to make this count. this rocket from stanway gave them lift—off. oh, my word! what a screamer! they had school in the morning, it was late, but finally — relief. and just look what it meant. unreal. that just shows the level that we're at. we get a set—back and we come back and we do it. i'll remember today, like the other girls. we put in a massive, massive shift. yeah, there's not really much i can say apart from we're just going to enjoy this moment and then crack on. i've never been so tense in my entire life! we were literally on the edge of our seats, that was an amazing game. honestly.

espania played well, but i think we came away with the win, well—deserved win. they did play well, but we proper pushed it and i couldn't be happier. it was epic! incredible, incredible. what a finish. so pleased. with a few minutes to go, you think it's all over, don't you? but no, mate, not with england. it's coming home this year. twice — once now, once in december. england had cantered through to the quarters, but at times it looked as if the joyride was coming to an end. yet again, though, they showed strength and depth and resilience, and that could prove vital in sheffield next week — their fourth consecutive major tournament semifinal. natalie pirks, bbc news, brighton. a great night for england. next, golf. after being sacked as europe's ryder cup captain, henrik stenson says it's a decision he'll have to accept. it's after the swedish golfer joined the controversial new saudi arabia—backed liv golf series. he was due to lead the european team for the first time in rome next summer having played in five

ryder cups. but in a statement, team europe says he'll not be able to fulfil his contractual obligations. there's only one reason that henrik stenson has been recruited, and that is because he was the european ryder cup captain. he's ranked i7ist in the world, he's not had a decent result, really, for the past year. so it's not for his golfing cachet — it is for his position within the golfing firmament that the liv series has decided to recruit him. and they are paying handsome sums of money to do that, to make it worth his while. denmark's jonas vingegaard is still favourite to win the tour de france with four stages to go. defending champion tadej pogacar gained four seconds by winning stage 17, but vingegaard is 2 minutes 18 seconds ahead in the standings. britain's geraint thomas is still third — he lost over two minutes on the leading pair, but is nearly three minutes clear of fourth place.

still staggering to me, this year work of these athletes and their cycles, they are like machines. the mountain stage, as well. day after day after day they come back. football is get a lot of praise and scrutiny but, my goodness me, i can't think of anything more gruelling. can't think of anything more gruelling-— can't think of anything more curuellin. . . ., can't think of anything more curuellin. . ., ., gruelling. and you are on your own. at least in football _ gruelling. and you are on your own. at least in football you _ gruelling. and you are on your own. at least in football you have - gruelling. and you are on your own. at least in football you have a - gruelling. and you are on your own. at least in football you have a team j at least in football you have a team of everyone with you. are you now at the point where you feel comfortable making a prediction account don't about england's chances? i put making a prediction account don't about england's chances? i put my neck on the _ about england's chances? i put my neck on the end _ about england's chances? i put my neck on the end line. _ about england's chances? i put my neck on the end line. i _ about england's chances? i put my neck on the end line. i think - neck on the end line. i think england will win.— neck on the end line. i think england will win. last night the convincing _ england will win. last night the convincing factor _ england will win. last night the convincing factor when - england will win. last night the convincing factor when they - england will win. last night thej convincing factor when they fell behind and then... ago i was slightly worried having spent most of yesterday on saying spain slightly worried having spent most of yesterday on sayin- of yesterday on saying spain will not be a problem. _ of yesterday on saying spain will

not be a problem. but _ of yesterday on saying spain will not be a problem. but definitely| not be a problem. but definitely stop they have sweden or belgium before the final on tuesday stop no easy matches. but england have talked about getting to their peak, 2023, when world cup, i think it is happening. share 2023, when world cup, i think it is ha eninu. . i. 2023, when world cup, i think it is ha eninu. . ., 2023, when world cup, i think it is haueninu. . ., ., 2023, when world cup, i think it is haueninu. ., ., m happening. are you on on monday? no, this is why i _ happening. are you on on monday? no, this is why i get — happening. are you on on monday? no, this is why i get to _ happening. are you on on monday? no, this is why i get to make _ this is why i get to make predictions because you want to see me on the programme before the championships. me on the programme before the championships-— me on the programme before the championships. carol doesn't have that luxury- _ championships. carol doesn't have that luxury. she _ championships. carol doesn't have that luxury. she has _ championships. carol doesn't have that luxury. she has to _ championships. carol doesn't have that luxury. she has to make - championships. carol doesn't have that luxury. she has to make the l that luxury. she has to make the right predictions all the time and get a hell of a lot of flak. you do it very well. you're not wrong, either. good morning. i'll take it back to tuesday before we go through the weather forecast to show you the difference in temperatures. for the first time ever, temperatures in excess of a0 degrees, but widely many saw temperatures in the 305. yesterday, look at that huge drop in temperatures! a good ten, 15, 17 degrees drop in temperatures and they are going down a bit more today. is there a bit of cloud around today, a lot of dry weather,

some showers and the sunniest conditions will be in the west as high pressure to build in. we have this old weather front dangling across parts of northern england. here especially we are prone to some of those showers. a lot of cloud today, south—east scotland and much of england, away from the south—west, where we will have sunshine. also such iva wales, northern ireland and scotland. we could see some of those showers this afternoon for example around the lake district, across the pennines come into north—east england. temperatures 12 to 25 degrees, so they have slipped by a degree or so. as we had on through the evening we could see some early evening brightness before the cloud builds once again and by the end of the night we will be seen showers across the central belt, through the pennines come in free wales come into the south—west and also the midlands. one night in the south, overnight lows are 16 or 17, but cooler as we push further north and

west. tomorrow we start off on a cloudy note for many, again some showers around stop we could catch a showers around stop we could catch a shower almost anywhere but heavy ones like the across northern england, wales and the midlands and they could be thundery. looking at showers moving across the english channel, potentially clipping the south coast and the channel islands, and tomorrow and unsure breeze coming in along the north sea coastline so for you it will be that bit cooler. temperatures again slipping, looking at 22 celsius as our top temperature. heading on into friday, a bit of a change in the weather. low pressure starts to push away the high pressure and with these weather fronts you can see it will turn unsettled. on saturday we start off on a bright note in eastern areas, then we have the rain coming in already across northern ireland, putting in across parts of scotland, eventually into northern england, wales and the south—west. it will also be a windy day during saturday, especially with the exposure in the west, the wind changed direction and we start to

pull up our one direction, south, namely, meaning the temperatures will start to rise again. especially in the south—east where, on sunday, we could hit 30 degrees. in the south-east where, on sunday, we could hit 30 degrees.— we could hit 30 degrees. carol, thank you- _ we could hit 30 degrees. carol, thank you- we _ we could hit 30 degrees. carol, thank you. we will _ we could hit 30 degrees. carol, thank you. we will see - we could hit 30 degrees. carol, thank you. we will see you - we could hit 30 degrees. carol, i thank you. we will see you later. many people will be looking forward to jetting off on a summer holiday soon — but a shortage of dog kennels has made things difficult for some pet owners. many are having to change their plans due to the difficulty in finding pet accommodation. our reporter, fiona lamdin is at a dog boarders this morning. very good morning to you. we see the ducks are having fun on the grass. tell us about this shortage —— the dogs. tell us about this shortage -- the dos, , ., ., ., tell us about this shortage -- the dos. ., ., , . dogs. good morning from beautiful somerset. dogs. good morning from beautiful somerset- we _ dogs. good morning from beautiful somerset. we are _ dogs. good morning from beautiful somerset. we are at _ dogs. good morning from beautiful somerset. we are at dog _ dogs. good morning from beautiful somerset. we are at dog kennels. | somerset. we are at dog kennels. these are all off on their holiday. we have just bet playing with the red ball and we have harry, the

cockerpoo. it is thought around half of all kennels have closed during lockdown. but they're just not the place for them when their owners go on holiday. i have been talking to people in bristol and in the west country to find out just how few places their art when it comes to their owners are going on holiday. michelle and richard spent months planning this year's holiday to southern spain. but right at the last moment, there was a pretty big glitch. i went to visit three different places. it was just so difficult to find somewhere that could take her. so they had to change plans — ditching their flights, and instead driving across europe with puppy gracie on the back seat. it does take away from your enjoyment. it's restrictive. we went to some beautiful places but couldn't explore them because it was too hot in the day to take the dog out. so you won't be doing this again? no, i don't think so. we didn't come back as relaxed

as we normally would from a holiday. the problem — dog—ownership has skyrocketed in lockdown, but with many kennels forced to close, there's nowhere for them to go now. and it was a similar story forjustine and ian, who were hoping to celebrate their 25th wedding anniversary on a greek island. i emailed 15 kennels. i was getting really, really concerned that we were probably going to end up having to cancel our holiday because it just looked very, very desperate. everybody was completely full until way into the autumn. then eventually somebody came back to me and said that they had space. well, here in wiltshire, before the pandemic there were at least 20 kennels — but that number has now halved. come on! steve and holly have had these kennels for 20 years, but covid hit them really hard. no income coming in. we had to really dip into our savings, and then to help subsidise that, as well, i got a job working as a delivery driver.

but that's now all changed. phone rings. hello, can i help you? no, i am so sorry. we are absolutely booked for that period, we haven't got anything at all, i'm afraid. they're completely full till october. i'm so sorry. we are turning away probably on average every day somewhere between ten and 15 customers each day. people like sam, who couldn't find anyone to look after gus — his lockdown puppy — when he went away. but that's now led to the most dramatic of career changes. well, i had a really good well—paid job beforehand for six years, and i basically decided to just take this risk, coming away from that. yeah, decided to convert my garage into a specific place to care for dogs, basically. and last week, sam got his licence — something he's taking very seriously. i'm 2a/7 here with them. yeah, i actually sleep in the garage with them. i got my, like, pull—out bed and sofa, different beds and blankets to however they're needed. going to lay down

next to me, or on me? and tonight, he's even screening their favourite film. these dogs behind me are all on holiday but this boarding hotel also runs a doggy daycare and so this is amy with her dog badgerr, who is nine years old, jack russell. good morning to you both. you are off to work today. you drop your dog here for the date when you are going to work. i for the date when you are going to work. ., . ., work. i do and i love it here because _ work. i do and i love it here because l — work. i do and i love it here because i know _ work. i do and i love it here because i know he - work. i do and i love it here because i know he is - work. i do and i love it here because i know he is so - work. i do and i love it here | because i know he is so well work. i do and i love it here - because i know he is so well looked after and _ because i know he is so well looked after and there are such lovely things— after and there are such lovely things for— after and there are such lovely things for they dogs. when it is one she makes— things for they dogs. when it is one she makes an ice lollies. there are trucks _ she makes an ice lollies. there are trucks to— she makes an ice lollies. there are trucks to and — she makes an ice lollies. there are trucks to and he loves it.— trucks to and he loves it. once a week he comes _ trucks to and he loves it. once a week he comes here? _ trucks to and he loves it. once a week he comes here? once - trucks to and he loves it. once a week he comes here? once a i trucks to and he loves it. once a i week he comes here? once a week trucks to and he loves it. once a - week he comes here? once a week if i have to no week he comes here? once a week if i have to go into — week he comes here? once a week if i have to go into the _ week he comes here? once a week if i have to go into the office _ week he comes here? once a week if i have to go into the office i _ week he comes here? once a week if i have to go into the office i can - have to go into the office i can arrange — have to go into the office i can arrange withjess to have to go into the office i can arrange with jess to look after him.

he is— arrange with jess to look after him. he is very— arrange with jess to look after him. he is very chatty. he arrange with jess to look after him. he is very chatty-— he is very chatty. he is absolutely deserate he is very chatty. he is absolutely desperate to _ he is very chatty. he is absolutely desperate to be _ he is very chatty. he is absolutely desperate to be going _ he is very chatty. he is absolutely desperate to be going up - he is very chatty. he is absolutely desperate to be going up and - he is very chatty. he is absolutely i desperate to be going up and playing but i know you have to stay and be on tv! stay there. the great thing is, for you, because you have your place, when you want to go on holiday you have a place. exactly. i know a lot — holiday you have a place. exactly. i know a lot of _ holiday you have a place. exactly. i know a lot of people _ holiday you have a place. exactly. i know a lot of people have - holiday you have a place. exactly. i know a lot of people have been - know a lot of people have been really _ know a lot of people have been really struggling to get into dog kennels— really struggling to get into dog kennels or hotels. i am fortunate that often— kennels or hotels. i am fortunate that often i— kennels or hotels. i am fortunate that often i ask my parents to help out but _ that often i ask my parents to help out but i _ that often i ask my parents to help out but i have to plan my holidays really _ out but i have to plan my holidays really far— out but i have to plan my holidays really far in — out but i have to plan my holidays really far in advance to make sure i have _ really far in advance to make sure i have that — really far in advance to make sure i have that. one set of friends i have had to _ have that. one set of friends i have had to cancel their holiday because they couldn't get into a few, found one, _ they couldn't get into a few, found one. and _ they couldn't get into a few, found one, and they were going to charge them _ one, and they were going to charge them several thousand pounds to be in the _ them several thousand pounds to be in the hotel for a week or so they cancelled — in the hotel for a week or so they cancelled their holiday because of it. ., . . cancelled their holiday because of it. you are all sorted, you can go on holiday. _ it. you are all sorted, you can go on holiday, and _ it. you are all sorted, you can go on holiday, and badger- it. you are all sorted, you can go on holiday, and badger is- it. you are all sorted, you can go - on holiday, and badger is desperate. he obviously loves you but this little dog here is desperate. he is wiling away, desperate to go and play. just looking over there

saying, "let me go, let me go." we are going to let you go. thank you forjoining us. we will be here all morning with the dogs. you can go and play. in doing about half an hour we will see what happens about them being groomed, washed. let's just leave you with an abundance of dogs having the most wonderful holiday. thank you very much. that indeed is a scene of great dog happiness. ball, sunshine, happy people, big ballall to ball, sunshine, happy people, big ball all to yourself.— ball all to yourself. good skills. obviously _ ball all to yourself. good skills. obviously was _ ball all to yourself. good skills. obviously was watching - ball all to yourself. good skills. obviously was watching the - ball all to yourself. good skills. - obviously was watching the football last night. obviously was watching the football last niuht. ,., ., . , last night. going towards the goal! he will not last night. going towards the goal! he will rrot get _ last night. going towards the goal! he will not get a _ last night. going towards the goal! he will not get a goal. _ last night. going towards the goal! he will not get a goal. he - last night. going towards the goal! he will not get a goal. he will- last night. going towards the goal! he will not get a goal. he will not. he will not get a goal. he will not let go of that ball, charlie! pauli let go of that ball, charlie! paul dunne, let go of that ball, charlie! paul dunne. hold — let go of that ball, charlie! paul dunne, hold on! _ let go of that ball, charlie! paul dunne, hold on! it's— let go of that ball, charlie! paul dunne, hold on! it's going to go into the goal! no.— time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are.

good morning from bbc london. i'm victoria hollins. the mayor will today thank some of the firefighters who helped tackle the blazes seen across the capital over the last couple of days. more than a0 homes were destoyed in the fires, during which many families lost everything. the london fire brigade said it responded to more than 1,000 incidents at the height of the fires. meanwhile, donations of clothes and other items are continuing to be made to help those in need. local volunteers say they're being overwhelmed with a range of clothes, and are trying to get everything sorted and out to those that need it as quickly as they can. they're coming in roughly every sort of 20 minutes, half hour, sometimes two or three at a time. i'd say we've had at least 50 people drop off stuff at least today, and they're all coming in with at least three orfour bags, plus. so the community are making a great response. very good response, yeah, yeah, very good. great response. really helpful.

i'm really appreciative for everything the community's done. tfl have said a cycle lane built on one of london's busiest roads during the pandemic will be removed. it said the lane on euston road wasn't working, is delaying buses, and not enough cyclists are using it. it also said there had been more congestion since the lane was built, making bus journeys slower. it's been ten years since the london olympic games transformed a former industrial site in east london. one of the main aims of the games was to be the greenest ever. a decade on, we've been back to look at the legacy the olympics have left. ten years later, we've not only got a brilliant, brilliant park, but now i think what east london has got is an enviable resource. and you can see more on this story tonight at 6.30 as part of our olympic legacy series. let's take a look at the travel situation.

there's a good service on the tubes this morning. severe on the tubes this morning. delays on the elizabeth though. now the weather with elizabeth rizzini. hello, good morning. feeling a little cooler again today from where we were yesterday, so another drop in temperature. we're now seeing temperatures round about the average for this time of year, but there will be a lot of cloud with it. now, certainly, it was a fresher—feeling night last night — we're starting off the morning between 1a and 16 degrees celsius, 17 in central london. plenty of cloud throughout the course of the day. some of that cloud could produce one or two light showers here and there, but most places will stay dry with the best chance of any brightness out towards western home counties. a very light northerly wind, and temperatures peaking between 23, maybe as high as 25 degrees celsius. now through this evening and overnight, then, it should stay dry. there will be some clearer spells, but we are set to keep those layers of clouds, too, as we head into friday morning. on friday, a little feature moving eastwards could bring us the chance of a few showers for the garden, but they won't be everywhere. some sunshine again emerging

through the afternoon and then, as we head through the weekend, it's dry with more sunshine in the forecast. temperatures start to rise once more — maybe 30 degrees by sunday, but without that oppressive heat that we saw earlier on in the week. i'm back with the latest from the bbc london newsroom in half an hour. bye for now. good morning, welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today — the uk's next prime minister — the final two candidates in the conservative leadership race, liz truss and rishi sunak, begin to set out their pitches to win over party members. emergency services are continuing to assess the damage following a series of devastating fires across england on tuesday. i'm in dagenham in east london this morning, where many residents have had their homes

completely destroyed. england fight back to reach the semifinals of the euros. an extra—time time winner from georgia stanway sees them come from behind to beat spain. and we'll bejoined byjill nadler, the woman who inspired one of the main characters in hit drama it's a sin. good morning. today will be fairly cloudy for south—east scotland and much of england, but in the west, we are looking at brighter skies with some sunshine, and it's going to feel cooler than it did yesterday. i'll have all the details throughout this morning's programme. good morning. it's thursday 215tjuly. our top story — two candidates are left in the race to replace borisjohnson, as rishi sunak and liz truss go head to head to become the next prime minister. a key battleground is likely to be taxation, with ms truss promising immediate tax cuts, while mr sunak says he would wait until inflation was under control.

our political correspondent jonathan blake reports. he's the former chancellor who quit borisjohnson's government, arguing now restraint is what's needed to get a grip on the economy. the question now for our members is, who is the best person to defeat keir starmer and the labour party at the next election? i believe i'm the only candidate who can do that. she's the foreign secretary with a tough reputation, who reckons rapid tax cuts are the answer to the rising cost of living. i'm the person who can go into number 10, i can hit the ground running and i can get things done, and i think that's what colleagues have voted for and that's what i now want to take to conservative members around the country. the final pair were chosen in one last round of voting by mp5. therefore, rishi sunak and liz truss will be i the candidates going forward. the trade minister penny mordaunt was eliminated after building significant support. allies blamed vicious media briefings against her.

so what do we know about the two finalists to be our next prime minister? the former chancellor rishi sunak became an mp in 2015, voted leave in the eu referendum, and has said he wants to cut taxes, but only when inflation's under control. the foreign secretary liz truss was first elected in 2010, became a cabinet minister in 201a, and voted remain in the eu referendum, but rapidly became an enthusiast for brexit. she is promising immediate tax cuts. over the next several weeks, conservative party members will vote to determine their new leader and the country's next prime minister. so what do these young tories make of the contenders? i think in particular promises are cheap and i'm wanting to hear a candidate that is honest about the trade—offs that the country is facing. liz truss, i think, - is very good for the kind of right wing of the party. but also i think rishi sunak has done a good job, as well. i so i think you need - to go in with an open mind to the hustings. these votes need to connect

with absolutely everybody, not just ourselves. the fierce rivalry between the two candidates for number 10 promises plenty of heated debate about what the conservatives want from their leader, and the course they should set to govern the uk. jonathan blake, bbc news. let's speak now to our political correspondent iain watson, who's in westminster. iain, two very different candidates now vying to become the next leader. they are speaking to the tory party membership, they are not speaking to everyone in the country. what difference does that make to what we will see and hear? it difference does that make to what we will see and hear?— will see and hear? it could make uuite a will see and hear? it could make quite a huge _ will see and hear? it could make quite a huge difference - will see and hear? it could make quite a huge difference for i will see and hear? it could make quite a huge difference for a i will see and hear? it could make i quite a huge difference for a number of reasons. as you say first of all, it is the tory members not the rest of us who get a say in who the next prime minister is. that contest runs until september two, and then the new prime minister is announced on september five, new prime minister is announced on septemberfive, but the ballot papers go out from the ist of august, so there's actually a very

narrow window for rishi sunak to try to turn things around. he topped the popularity poll of mp5, but owen suggests he is behind in the race for the party membership. so he will not want to be debate simply to focus on tax. liz truss is talking about sooner tax cuts, but rishi sunak is saying it has to wait a bit. he was talking today that he was running as a thatcherite, saying he wanted tighter control of not just illegal but also legal immigration. from liz truss' point of view, it will not just immigration. from liz truss' point of view, it will notjust be about appealing to party members in terms of policy, but also suggesting she is the best placed candidate to hold onto the seats snatched from labour. so she will be talking notjust about policy, but about her background, growing up in leeds and grew to it —— are going to a

complaint of school, contrasting that with rishi sunak's wealthy background. so it will be quite a battle first of all to the conservative membership before trying to appeal to the rest of the country. trying to appeal to the rest of the count . ., trying to appeal to the rest of the count . . ., ., . ,, country. iain, for the moment, thank ou. social media sites are now the number one source of news for teenagers, according to a survey by the broadcast regulator ofcom. instagram is the most popular source for young people, but print, tv and radio news outlets still dominate in older age groups. here's more from our media correspondent, david sillito. young teenagers are not the biggest consumers of news, but around half say they are interested in what's going on. but where are they getting it from? the answer, of course — their phones, tablets and computers. even for those studying media, tv and newspapers are far from the first port of call. due to the fact that we have an accessible, like, phone which knows everything

and we are able to find all the information we need at a click of a button, it's almost unnecessary to us to purchase something when it's for free on our mobiles. the top three places helping to keep them up to date are instagram, tiktok, and youtube. and this is new — last year, the number—one source was bbc one. it's now slipped to number five. teenagers don't appear to be going directly to news brands online, so just 5% say they use bbc news online. fewer than one in ten say they use a newspaper website. so it's much more that news is being pushed to them through their social feeds from a wide range of sources, and children do say that they recognise that they get a bigger range of opinion through their social media services than they do through other news organisations. however, tv as a whole is still bigger than any app or website,

and the biggest overall source of news for teenagers? theirfamilies — and mum and dad are rather more likely to be getting their news from more traditional sources. david sillito, bbc news. russia says its military focus in ukraine is no longer only in the east of the country. it comes as the us announced it would provide ukraine with more long—range weapons. james waterhouse is in kyiv for us. james, there is a shift in the language and kind of intention. there is, naga. ithink language and kind of intention. there is, naga. i think if you were a bit deeper, it isn't that surprising that russia's ambitions stretch beyond the eastern donbas region. why? vladimir putin tried to take the whole of ukraine in the first place, before he was forced to revise his initial objectives. but you just need to look at what russia has taken to see why they are using

this kind of language, they are looking to expand their geographical goals. they occupy a fifth of ukraine and counting. the margins are small at the moment, relatively, and they are costly for both sides, but it is territory that the russians are keen to keep hold of. we are getting warnings from the west that they are putting in the steps, the measures to try to consolidate what they have taken by staging sham referendums, where people vote to apparently have these occupied territories recognised as independent from the rest of ukraine. the cia is also saying, and speculation on vladimir putin's health, saying he is actually too healthy. there is no intelligence to suggest that he is ill. but it is clear that he has ever wants to take as much ukrainian territory as possible, and on the issue of why, i think it is more and looking longer term towards his legacy is trying to restore what he sees as some of the are's lost power as influence when

the soviet union collapsed in the 19905. the soviet union collapsed in the 1990s. . . , the soviet union collapsed in the 1990s. . ., , ., ~ _, the soviet union collapsed in the 1990s. , ., ~ ., -r 1990s. james, thank you for taking us throu~h 1990s. james, thank you for taking us through that. _ 1990s. james, thank you for taking us through that. james _ 1990s. james, thank you for taking | us through that. james waterhouse 1990s. james, thank you for taking i us through that. james waterhouse in kyiv. nhs bosses are warning that some services may have to be cut to fund a staff pay increase in england. the government has announced doctors will receive a a.5% rise, which is backed by nhs england. the royal college of nursing has called for a 12.5% pay rise, and said it would ballot members over industrial action. people with the bleeding disorder haemophilia b have effectively been cured, according to british doctors. they say gene therapy, delivered through a single injection, could be available within the next three years. the treatment corrects a genetic defect that stops blood clotting. an injection can change a genetic defect? �* ., . �* it an injection can change a genetic defect?— it is. | defect? amazing, isn't it. it is. the time _ defect? amazing, isn't it. it is. the time now— defect? amazing, isn't it. it is. the time now is _ defect? amazing, isn't it. it is. the time now is 7.10. -

here's carol with a look at this morning's weather. today will be cooler than yesterday, but if you are in the south of england, it will warm up again. not to the same dizzy levels of monday and tuesday, but by sunday some parts could have temperatures of 30 celsius. many of us will have a fairly cloudy day today, rather like this picture from this morning. but some of us will see some sunshine, especially in the west. in the us this morning, one or two showers in the west of scotland, but persistent cloud across south—east scotland, moving through central and eastern england. northern ireland could catch a couple of showers, but it will essentially be a dry day with some sunshine, this initially across eastern england, the sun hanging on across wales in the south—west. through the course of the day, the cloud persists, we will see the odd shower, more likely around the lakes, perhaps the pennines, north—east england, and we can see the clouds just living in the

direction of the channel islands as well. temperatures 12 to about 2a celsius. we could see some 0 evening sunshine before the cloud overnight spreads, and we will start to see some more showers develop —— some early evening sunshine. still a warm night in the far south, tempt us fall in a far south, tempra just fallen away to 16 or 17 celsius, but fresher as we push further north. into tomorrow, cloudy day, we could catch a shower almost anywhere. a little sister moving from the west towards the east, bringing in some heavier showers. towards the east, bringing in some heaviershowers. some towards the east, bringing in some heavier showers. some of those could be funded it across wales and the midlands, and temperatures 11 to 22 celsius, with an onshore breeze along the north sea coastline. carol, thank you very much. the time now is 7.12.

15 areas around the uk declared a major incident when fires broke out. tim muffet is in one of the worst—affected areas for us this morning, dagenham. as soon as people see the pictures behind you this morning, you immediately get a sense of how difficult the last few days have been for people, and what lies ahead for them. it is really hard, isn't it? it ahead for them. it is really hard, isn't it? . ., ahead for them. it is really hard, isn't it? , . ., ' ahead for them. it is really hard, isn't it? , . . ' ., , isn't it? it is a lead, 14 homes completely — isn't it? it is a lead, 14 homes completely destroyed - isn't it? it is a lead, 14 homes completely destroyed here i isn't it? it is a lead, 14 homes completely destroyed here in | completely destroyed here in dagenham. standing here, you get a real sense of how quickly and how fast these flames spread. this front garden behind me, completely scorched, and everybody might be able to see some burnt out cars and some other buildings, around 30 cars were completely destroyed. i will step out of the way so you can see behind me a cul—de—sac, again at the majority of homes in that cul—de—sac completely burnt out. it hugely traumatising experience for many people who live here, and many other parts as well which have been devastated by fires.

what looks like scenes from a hollywood movie are real—life horror stories. across the country, communities, including here in dagenham, are coming to terms with the destruction of the wild fires. gutted. totally gutted. my daughter was born there. i've been there for 27 years. it's first house i've actually sat down and settled in. i'm just totally gobsmacked. i don't know what i'm going to do now. you see this on tv, but you don't expect it to happen in real life. down the road in wennington on the eastern edge of london, families are having to cope with the fire damage and having to explain to children about losing their homes. down the road in wennington on the eastern edge of london, families are having to cope with the fire damage and having to explain to children about losing their homes. i waited until i got to my mum's and we knew that my husband was safe. and then i sat down with the children and told them that we'd lost our home. my kids are upset that they've lost their favourite teddy bears that they've had since

they were babies. and if my children are feeling that, the other children of the fires in rainham and dagenham yesterday are going to be feeling it too. the charred remains that tell a chilling tale of a nursery in the walnut tree area of milton keynes. but staff say they are determined to rebuild. we are the heart of walnut tree. i've been at the nursery 23 years, so we are the heart, and we will be back, and we will find temporary accommodation in the meantime, which is what we're just dealing with with our parents at the moment. from their nursery, but it's a lot for them to take in. some haven't really mentioned anything yet. others are sort of more concerned that they can't see their friends more than anything. and then others are, you know, just worried because they thought the staff lived at the nursery, bless them! in norfolk, housemates patrick and annabel are living amongst the destruction. their house escaped the flames, but the building next to them didn't.

in the back of our gardens, it kind of seems like a war zone, to be honest. the police have cordoned off the road as well, making sure people are all right. just kind of everything is chaotic, really, and you come down in the morning, you think, "i hope it was a dream" but reality, yeah, everything was a mess. in boston in lincolnshire, residents spent another night away from their homes after these flats were destroyed. although some flats escaped the worst of the damage, there are questions about how structurally sound they are. we have some kit inside the building, but we won't be able to retrieve that because it's not safe to go in and fetch it. and so we have to look at then the impact of that on neighbouring buildings as well. in barnsley in south yorkshire, at least four homes on woodlands drive have been completely demolished by the fires, including dave cooper's parents' house. there's some personal things that we've lost

that were sentimental to us. this was my parents' house. so, you know... but possessions, they can be replaced. but everybody�*s safe. that's the main thing. everybody�*s safe and everybody�*s well. i think the neighbours have all come together really good. fire brigades across the country are urging people not to light barbecues or bonfires and to avoid dropping cigarettes. the ground is so dry, the smallest spark can cause a massive fire. laura trant, bbc news. the temperature has dropped significantly, but as laura said that it significantly, but as laura said thatitis significantly, but as laura said that it is about the dryness of the ground, that is why it is so important not to light a flame outdoors. the emergency services are still assessing the damage here in dagenham, and the council who have asked people to stop donating physical items to the centre where some people are sleeping, because there's simply too much stuff. instead, they want people to donate money to an donation site. and you

talk to people here, and they, like many other places, art still in a sense of shock, but there is now a practical challenge of where to actually live. the speed with which these flames spread is the thing which so many people mention, and the belief that no lives were lost. yesterday morning, you might remember we were in wellington, not that far from remember we were in wellington, not that farfrom here, and remember we were in wellington, not that far from here, and those extraordinary pictures of the fire and the damage in that place. and again, a similarstory and the damage in that place. and again, a similar story for many people who lived there who we spoke to yesterday. speed was the key thing which surprised so many people, and visualisation that it was just important to get out of the homes and not to worry about rescuing possessions. so a sense of relief for many, but also the sheer practical challenge now of where to live and how to rebuild lives, which have been transformed over the last couple of days. have been transformed over the last couple of days-— couple of days. tim, thanks very much.

we're joined now by ben levy from greater manchester fire and rescue service. some of your colleagues are still there, obviously, on the scene very difficult situations for your colleagues to deal with.- very difficult situations for your colleagues to deal with. yes, you have 'ust colleagues to deal with. yes, you have just seen fires _ colleagues to deal with. yes, you have just seen fires from across l colleagues to deal with. yes, you i have just seen fires from across the country, homes, people's lives, communities, open moorland is devastated by these terrible wildfires. the thought of every fire and rescue service staff up and down the country i would be people who are so affected this week. flan the country i would be people who are so affected this week.- are so affected this week. can you live us are so affected this week. can you give us the _ are so affected this week. can you give us the benefit _ are so affected this week. can you give us the benefit of _ are so affected this week. can you give us the benefit of your - give us the benefit of your experience in what we are learning about this process? a lot of people are mentioning how quickly the fire can move, it literally can move from place to place, through a garden, maybejumping from one property place to place, through a garden, maybe jumping from one property to the next. what everyone does we look at some of the pictures of the devastation? taste at some of the pictures of the devastation?— at some of the pictures of the devastation? ~ , , . , devastation? we use the phrase in common language _ devastation? we use the phrase in common language spreads - devastation? we use the phrase in common language spreads like i common language spreads like wildfire, and while fans do spread

very quickly indeed, and can out run people and can outrun firefighters as we are not careful enough, and firefighters have worked in the most demanding conditions all week to keep properties, homes, and people safe. it hasjust keep properties, homes, and people safe. it has just been a devastating week for so many parts of the country, it is incredible what we have seen. did country, it is incredible what we have seen-— country, it is incredible what we have seen. , , . . have seen. did you expect this? we all knew the — have seen. did you expect this? we all knew the weather _ have seen. did you expect this? we all knew the weather would - have seen. did you expect this? we all knew the weather would get i have seen. did you expect this? we | all knew the weather would get hot, we were all talking about records, and the conversations that must go on, did you expect this to this extent? i on, did you expect this to this extent? ., . on, did you expect this to this extent? . , ., extent? i have been a firefighter for 25 years. _ extent? i have been a firefighter for 25 years, the _ extent? i have been a firefighter for 25 years, the term _ extent? i have been a firefighter for 25 years, the term wildfires i extent? i have been a firefighter i for 25 years, the term wildfires was not used 25 years ago, but i have seen fire and rescue services up and down the country increase the capability for dealing with fires like these, that you would previously see in california, italy, southern europe, places like that. i don't think we ever thought it would

get to have the scale so rapidly, and i think this week has been a wake—up call for us all, really. d0 wake-up call for us all, really. do ou wake-up call for us all, really. do you mean — wake—up call for us all, really. do you mean in terms of climate change or how we are prepared? just you mean in terms of climate change or how we are prepared?— or how we are prepared? just how cuick or how we are prepared? just how . uick the or how we are prepared? just how quick the climate _ or how we are prepared? just how quick the climate has _ or how we are prepared? just how quick the climate has changed, i or how we are prepared? just how. quick the climate has changed, and we were used to seeing these images abroad, but buildings and homes damaged by a ferocious wildfires in urban areas, it is just devastating. so what does that tell us about our preparedness? we are seeing evidence now of climate change, what does that mean in terms of how prepared we are without properties, the way we are without properties, the way we live here the uk? n we are without properties, the way we live here the uk?— we live here the uk? i think first of all, preparedness _ we live here the uk? i think first of all, preparedness from - we live here the uk? i think first of all, preparedness from the i we live here the uk? i think first i of all, preparedness from the public perspective, i think it is about preventing these wildfires. in this country, wildfires are not started generally by thunderstorms and lightning strikes, like we see abroad, they are more the human factor, whether accidentally or deliberately. so the change in behaviour has to come from being more aware when we are out in open

spaces and reducing the risks of wildfires starting. stubbing out cigarettes before they are disposed of, not having campfires and barbecues on grassland, not leaving litter around, and being extra vigilant and very careful out on the moors. with regard to the preparedness for fire and rescue services, we have seen the increase in capability. we have seen many fire and rescue services up and down the country are now preventing wildfires, they use of small files to prevent big fires, and we have significant capabilities of moving across moorland. a either greater manchester and derbyshire worked on yesterday, the fire front was about two kilometres from the nearest roadway. that can only be accessed by capable off—road vehicles. we would not have had those 25 or 30 years ago. can would not have had those 25 or 30 ears auo. ., ,, . ~ ., , years ago. can you talk to us a little bit about _ years ago. can you talk to us a little bit about when _ years ago. can you talk to us a little bit about when people i years ago. can you talk to us a i little bit about when people behave stupidly? because i know it is a real frustration for many of the emergency services, but i'm sure particularly for your colleagues,

when you see people in these kind of conditions doing stupid things, what have you seen, witness, or had conversations with people about? i don't think people think they are being stupid. there may be a naivety to the risks that are out there, and firefighters are very attuned to the risks, but it is quite a natural thing to want to go and enjoy the countryside and the sunshine and take a picnic, but elements such as portable barbecues have got no place on aaron moore and open lands, those are to remain at home. they can be very safe in that safe conditions, but portable barbecues, campfires, stoves, out on dry land, there is a big risk to us. it stoves, out on dry land, there is a big risk to us— big risk to us. it must be frustrating _ big risk to us. it must be frustrating to _ big risk to us. it must be frustrating to you, i big risk to us. it must be i frustrating to you, because people can, there are no rules around that. i guess there maybe are in certain situations, but open fires... the

national fire _ situations, but open fires... tia: national fire chiefs council situations, but open fires... ti9: national fire chiefs council have done a lot of work with regards to some of these risks. we have seen an increase in for example disposable barbecues, the packaging now carries a warning about where to use them and where not to use them. but shouldn't that _ and where not to use them. but shouldn't that go further, in the sense that there should be signs in parks? there should be rules. we are asking about stupid things, but actually, they are not doing anything wrong, so it has to go bigger, no fires, no campfires, no barbecues on open land, is that the next step? barbecues on open land, is that the next ste - ? :, . , barbecues on open land, is that the next step?_ would i barbecues on open land, is that the next step?_ would you i next step? potentially. would you ush for next step? potentially. would you push for that? _ next step? potentially. would you push for that? yes, _ next step? potentially. would you push for that? yes, and _ next step? potentially. would you push for that? yes, and up - next step? potentially. would you push for that? yes, and up and i next step? potentially. would you i push for that? yes, and up and down the country. — push for that? yes, and up and down the country, particularly _ push for that? yes, and up and down the country, particularly in _ push for that? yes, and up and down the country, particularly in the i the country, particularly in the north—west, we have had fire and rescue services on open moors all week in the hot weather, engaging with the public and advising them before they go on to moors to be careful, and the signage is around to highlight the risk of the tinder

dry conditions that are out there, and the message, such as i said before, please do not light fires, please do not take barbecues out there, stub out your cigarettes before disposing of them come and take your litter home with you, please. take your litter home with you, lease. ~ . . ~ take your litter home with you, lease. ~ ., ., ~ ,, take your litter home with you, lease. ~ . . ~ ~ , , please. we are talking like this is over, but please. we are talking like this is over. but it _ please. we are talking like this is over, but it is _ please. we are talking like this is over, but it is still _ please. we are talking like this is over, but it is still dry, _ please. we are talking like this is over, but it is still dry, the - over, but it is still dry, the situation is pretty much the same. absolutely not. firefighters keep an eye on the conditions for wildfires through something we call the fire severity index, which remains very high in the next few days, and some errors of the country have woken up this morning to a little bit of rain, it isn't going to take long for that to warm up, dry up, and again we have exceptionally tinder dry conditions. so the lesson for the week, we have this summer ahead of us, please be careful. goad the week, we have this summer ahead of us, please be careful.— of us, please be careful. good to see ou of us, please be careful. good to see you this _ of us, please be careful. good to see you this morning, _ of us, please be careful. good to see you this morning, thank - of us, please be careful. good to see you this morning, thank you | see you this morning, thank you very much. . ~ ,, see you this morning, thank you very much-_ the _ see you this morning, thank you very much._ the time - see you this morning, thank you very much._ the time now - see you this morning, thank you very much._ the time now is i much. thank you. the time now is 7.25. this week's inflation figures highlighted how prices are continuing to rise

at their fastest rate for a0 years, and so growing numbers of people are turning to charities to help them feed their families. one foodbank in hull says it's seen a 40% rise in the number of people using their shop since january, and are expecting that number to double by the end of the year. caroline bilton reports. we are at sainsbury�*s. we're doing one of our collections. we pick up from sainsbury�*s and greggs on the same site five days a week, monday through friday. this is happening every single day in our towns and cities. people like jan diverting food away from landfill and onto the plates of those most in need. the foods brought here. it looks like an office, but this is, in fact, a food shop in the heart of the preston road estate in hull. here, you can get everything you need to feed a family for £3 or less. this is an affordable ready meal. so this is £3, and it will feed up to a family of four. and this is one of our very popular meat packs. we're not a food bank. we don't give food away unless it's a dire emergency. all residents have to contribute

something, even if it's only copper, to actually the food that they take away. that's your four there. this place has never been so busy. it's seen a 40% increase in demand since january. we've got some potatoes down there, some carrots. brian's 70. he's now retired and he worked for the nhs for over 30 years. i come here twice a week, and, like, i'm a pensioner and it's _ getting harder and harder. did you ever think you'd be aiming to need to use somewhere...? never. never in my life. i'm so proud. i worked all my life, - and i think, it comes to this. we've had people simply tell us, we wouldn't eat if you weren't here for us to actually get food from. how does that make you feel? to know that the service you're providing, they wouldn't eat if you weren't doing that? heartbreaking.

because, yes, it's rewarding that we're doing this, but it's also heartbreaking that we need to. many families living on the preston road estate are living below the poverty line. i've come to meet kirsty. she lives here with her partner and i2—year—old son. her partner works, but they, like many here, are struggling to pay the bills. we pay the rent and then obviously the council tax, with a lump sum. what's left out of that, we take the shopping out of that. and then we'll be looking at being left with £5, £10. there's income coming in, but we don't claim benefits. if none of us worked at all and we just claimed benefits,

we'd be better off. back at the shop, and another delivery of donations. this place is run on generosity. julie donates her time as a volunteer, but she's also a customer. i went from paying £35 a month for my electric to i think it's £99 a month. people say perhaps you need to make different choices in your life. what would you say to them? what choice? run around the house, turning everything off? i do. my heating is at 16 degrees. everyone i spoke to said the same — life is getting harder here. jan and her team are doing all they can to make these donations stretch that little bit further. but they say they'll need more if they're to continue to help to feed this community through the winter. caroline bilton, bbc news. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london, i'm victoria hollins. the mayor will today thank some of the firefighters who helped tackle the blazes seen across the capital over the last couple of days. more than a0 homes were destroyed in the fires, during which many families lost everything. the london fire brigade said it responded to more than a thousand

incidents at the height of the fires. meanwhile donations of clothes and other items are continuing to be made to help those in need. local volunteers say they're being overwhelmed with a range of clothes, and the council has urged people to donate money instead. meanwhile, the challenge is to get everything sorted and out to those that need it. they're coming in roughly every sort of 20 minutes, half hour, sometimes two or three at a time. i'd say we've had at least 50 people drop off stuff at least today, and they're all coming in with at least three orfour bags, plus. so the community are making a great response. very good response, yeah, yeah, very good. great response. really helpful. i'm really appreciative for everything the community's done. it's the final day of hearings into the grenfell disaster. phase i of the inquiry has already been completed. this phase is looking at how the grenfell tower came to be in a condition which allowed the fire to spread. lawyers and others representing the families are due

to give evidence later. it's been ten years since the london olympic games transformed a former industrial site in east london. one of the main aims of the games was to be the greenest ever. a decade on, we've been back to look at the legacy the olympics have left. ten years later, we've not only got a brilliant, brilliant park, but now i think what east london has got is an enviable resource. and you can see more on this story tonight at 6.30 as part of our olympic legacy series. a look at the travel situation... now the weather with elizabeth rizzini. hello, good morning. feeling a little cooler again today from where we were yesterday, so another drop in temperature. we're now seeing temperatures round about the average for this time of year, but there will be a lot of cloud with it. now, certainly, it was a fresher—feeling night last night — we're starting off the morning between 1a and 16 degrees celsius, 17 in central london.

plenty of cloud throughout the course of the day. some of that cloud could produce one or two light showers here and there, but most places will stay dry with the best chance of any brightness out towards western home counties. a very light northerly wind, and temperatures peaking between 23, maybe as high as 25 degrees celsius. now through this evening and overnight, then, it should stay dry. there will be some clearer spells, but we are set to keep those layers of clouds, too, as we head into friday morning. on friday, a little feature moving eastwards could bring us the chance of a few showers for the garden, but they won't be everywhere. some sunshine again emerging through the afternoon and then, as we head through the weekend, it's dry with more sunshine in the forecast. temperatures start to rise once more — maybe 30 degrees by sunday, but without that oppressive heat that we saw earlier on in the week. i'm back with the latest from the bbc london newsroom in an hour. plenty more on our website at the usual address. now, though, it's back to naga and charlie. bye for now.

good morning, welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. losing a baby at any stage of a pregnancy is a terrible thing, but currently when a baby dies before 2a weeks, parents have no formal recognition of their death. but that's about to change — the government has announced that from this autumn parents will be able to receive a certificate we're joined now by zoe clark—coates, who's long been campaigning for this after losing five babies — and lucy cavell who lost three babies during early pregnancy. good morning to you both. good morninu. good morning to you both. good morning- zoe. — good morning to you both. good morning. zoe, you _ good morning to you both. good morning. zoe, you have - good morning to you both. good morning. zoe, you have been i morning. zoe, you have been campaigning _ morning. zoe, you have been campaigning for— morning. zoe, you have been campaigning for this - morning. zoe, you have been campaigning for this for - morning. zoe, you have been campaigning for this for a - morning. zoe, you have been| campaigning for this for a long morning. zoe, you have been - campaigning for this for a long time and both of you, lucy, zoe, feel free to give your experience or not. you are both coming from a place of

immediate concern. zoe, when you started campaigning, what experience did you bring to that campaign? we have sadly lost five babies ourselves so we know first—hand the tragedy— ourselves so we know first—hand the tragedy of— ourselves so we know first—hand the tragedy of losing a child and having no recognition at all for their lives — no recognition at all for their lives as_ no recognition at all for their lives. as ceo of a charity supporting people through loss we are speaking with thousands of people — are speaking with thousands of people daily who have gone through this heartbreak and most of them say, having some sort of certificate to recognise their baby would make a world _ to recognise their baby would make a world of— to recognise their baby would make a world of difference. at to recognise their baby would make a world of difference.— world of difference. at the moment nothinu. world of difference. at the moment nothing- there _ world of difference. at the moment nothing. there is _ world of difference. at the moment nothing. there is no _ world of difference. at the moment nothing. there is no recognition - nothing. there is no recognition whatsoever- _ nothing. there is no recognition whatsoever. you _ nothing. there is no recognition whatsoever. you could - nothing. there is no recognition whatsoever. you could go - nothing. there is no recognition whatsoever. you could go back| nothing. there is no recognition i whatsoever. you could go back to work and it _ whatsoever. you could go back to work and it would _ whatsoever. you could go back to work and it would just _ whatsoever. you could go back to work and it would just be - whatsoever. you could go back to work and it would just be your- whatsoever. you could go back to i work and it would just be your word, maybe, not even a doctor's certificate. maybe, not even a doctor's certificate-— maybe, not even a doctor's certificate. ~ , ., certificate. absolutely and the ma'ori certificate. absolutely and the majority of — certificate. absolutely and the majority of losses _ certificate. absolutely and the majority of losses don't i certificate. absolutely and the majority of losses don't even l certificate. absolutely and the i majority of losses don't even happen in a hospital setting, a lot happen at home — in a hospital setting, a lot happen at home. for some they don't even have _ at home. for some they don't even have it _ at home. for some they don't even have it on — at home. for some they don't even have it on their medical records that they— have it on their medical records that they have gone through loss so having _ that they have gone through loss so having a _ that they have gone through loss so

having a certificate would give them something to hold onto to say, my baby really— something to hold onto to say, my baby really did exist.— baby really did exist. lucy, i am mindful that _ baby really did exist. lucy, i am mindful that when _ baby really did exist. lucy, i am mindful that when we _ baby really did exist. lucy, i am| mindful that when we introduced baby really did exist. lucy, i am i mindful that when we introduced you, it is almost like we go too fast through things. you lost three babies and every one would have been a moment when presumably everything stopped, so hard to cope every time. absolutely. and i think particularly with our— absolutely. and i think particularly with our first — absolutely. and i think particularly with our first loss, _ absolutely. and i think particularly with our first loss, there _ absolutely. and i think particularly with our first loss, there was - absolutely. and i think particularly with our first loss, there was a i with our first loss, there was a real— with our first loss, there was a real innocence _ with our first loss, there was a real innocence about _ with our first loss, there was a real innocence about our- with our first loss, there was a real innocence about our kind i with our first loss, there was a i real innocence about our kind of pregnancy — real innocence about our kind of pregnancy experience, - real innocence about our kind of pregnancy experience, we - real innocence about our kind of pregnancy experience, we went| real innocence about our kind of l pregnancy experience, we went in really— pregnancy experience, we went in really excited, _ pregnancy experience, we went in really excited, and _ pregnancy experience, we went in really excited, and to _ pregnancy experience, we went in really excited, and to go - pregnancy experience, we went in really excited, and to go into i pregnancy experience, we went in really excited, and to go into a i really excited, and to go into a room _ really excited, and to go into a room and _ really excited, and to go into a room and he _ really excited, and to go into a room and be told _ really excited, and to go into a room and be told that - really excited, and to go into a room and be told that actuallyl really excited, and to go into a i room and be told that actually there is no white — room and be told that actually there is no white beach, _ room and be told that actually there is no white beach, my— room and be told that actually there is no white beach, my husband i room and be told that actually there is no white beach, my husband and i room and be told that actually there i is no white beach, my husband and i, the overwhelming _ is no white beach, my husband and i, the overwhelming grief— is no white beach, my husband and i, the overwhelming grief —— _ is no white beach, my husband and i, the overwhelming grief —— out- is no white beach, my husband and i, the overwhelming grief —— out there. the overwhelming grief —— out there is no _ the overwhelming grief —— out there is no heartbeat. _ the overwhelming grief —— out there is no heartbeat. the _ the overwhelming grief —— out there is no heartbeat. the significance i the overwhelming grief —— out there is no heartbeat. the significance in. is no heartbeat. the significance in our lives, — is no heartbeat. the significance in our lives, we — is no heartbeat. the significance in our lives, we have _ is no heartbeat. the significance in our lives, we have lost— is no heartbeat. the significance in our lives, we have lost our- is no heartbeat. the significance in our lives, we have lost our child, l our lives, we have lost our child, the future — our lives, we have lost our child, the future we _ our lives, we have lost our child, the future we had _ our lives, we have lost our child, the future we had planned - our lives, we have lost our child, i the future we had planned around that _ the future we had planned around that it _ the future we had planned around that it was — the future we had planned around that. it was huge _ the future we had planned around that. it was huge to _ the future we had planned around that. it was huge to deal- the future we had planned around that. it was huge to deal with. i the future we had planned around. that. it was huge to deal with. hour that. it was huge to deal with. how where ou that. it was huge to deal with. how where you helped, _ that. it was huge to deal with. where you helped, if at all,

that. it was huge to deal with. iiu-a. where you helped, if at all, by authorities or even generally by other people? sometimes peoplejust don't know how to be. we other people? sometimes people 'ust don't know how to be.i other people? sometimes people 'ust don't know how to be. we have always been incredibly — don't know how to be. we have always been incredibly blessed _ don't know how to be. we have always been incredibly blessed with _ don't know how to be. we have always been incredibly blessed with friends i been incredibly blessed with friends and support— been incredibly blessed with friends and support who _ been incredibly blessed with friends and support who really _ been incredibly blessed with friends and support who really walked i been incredibly blessed with friends and support who really walked us i and support who really walked us free, _ and support who really walked us free, acknowledged _ and support who really walked us free, acknowledged the - and support who really walked us free, acknowledged the lives- and support who really walked us free, acknowledged the lives of. and support who really walked us . free, acknowledged the lives of our children— free, acknowledged the lives of our children and — free, acknowledged the lives of our children and allowed _ free, acknowledged the lives of our children and allowed us _ free, acknowledged the lives of our children and allowed us and - free, acknowledged the lives of our children and allowed us and gave i free, acknowledged the lives of ourl children and allowed us and gave us permission — children and allowed us and gave us permission to — children and allowed us and gave us permission to grieve. _ children and allowed us and gave us permission to grieve. we _ children and allowed us and gave us permission to grieve. we had - children and allowed us and gave us permission to grieve. we had really| permission to grieve. we had really challenging — permission to grieve. we had really challenging experiences, _ challenging experiences, particularly _ challenging experiences, particularly amongst i challenging experiences, i particularly amongst doctors, challenging experiences, _ particularly amongst doctors, where we were _ particularly amongst doctors, where we were told. — particularly amongst doctors, where we were told. you _ particularly amongst doctors, where we were told, you know, _ particularly amongst doctors, where we were told, you know, it - particularly amongst doctors, where we were told, you know, it is - we were told, you know, it is nature's— we were told, you know, it is nature's way _ we were told, you know, it is nature's way of— we were told, you know, it is nature's way of choosing i we were told, you know, it is nature's way of choosing the | we were told, you know, it is i nature's way of choosing the best. for us— nature's way of choosing the best. for us that — nature's way of choosing the best. for us that said _ nature's way of choosing the best. for us that said our— nature's way of choosing the best. for us that said our child - nature's way of choosing the best. for us that said our child was i nature's way of choosing the best. | for us that said our child was never good _ for us that said our child was never good enough — for us that said our child was never good enough to— for us that said our child was never good enough to he _ for us that said our child was never good enough to be here _ for us that said our child was never good enough to be here and - for us that said our child was never good enough to be here and that. for us that said our child was never good enough to be here and that is| good enough to be here and that is really— good enough to be here and that is really significant _ good enough to be here and that is really significant when _ good enough to be here and that is really significant when you - good enough to be here and that is really significant when you hear- really significant when you hear that from — really significant when you hear that from a _ really significant when you hear that from a professional - really significant when you hear that from a professional who i really significant when you hear. that from a professional who you really significant when you hear- that from a professional who you so desperately— that from a professional who you so desperately crave, _ that from a professional who you so desperately crave, understanding, i desperately crave, understanding, recognition — desperately crave, understanding, recognition for _ desperately crave, understanding, recognition for the _ desperately crave, understanding, recognition for the life _ desperately crave, understanding, recognition for the life of- desperately crave, understanding, recognition for the life of your i recognition for the life of your child — recognition for the life of your child. ., ~ ., . child. talk about the certificate. on the child. talk about the certificate. 0n the one _ child. talk about the certificate. on the one hand _ child. talk about the certificate. on the one hand you _ child. talk about the certificate. on the one hand you can - 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piece of paper, how much difference can that make? can you calibrate that, what difference would it make to have something official? for that, what difference would it make to have something official?- to have something official? for my husband and _ to have something official? for my husband and i, _ to have something official? for my husband and i, we _ to have something official? for my husband and i, we fully _ to have something official? for my husband and i, we fully advocate i to have something official? for my. husband and i, we fully advocate for the lives _ husband and i, we fully advocate for the lives of — husband and i, we fully advocate for the lives of our _ husband and i, we fully advocate for the lives of our children, _ husband and i, we fully advocate for the lives of our children, you - husband and i, we fully advocate for the lives of our children, you know, | the lives of our children, you know, we have _ the lives of our children, you know, we have to — the lives of our children, you know, we have to beautiful— the lives of our children, you know, we have to beautiful children - the lives of our children, you know, we have to beautiful children that l we have to beautiful children that we have to beautiful children that we get _ we have to beautiful children that we get to — we have to beautiful children that we get to do— we have to beautiful children that we get to do life _ we have to beautiful children that we get to do life with _ we have to beautiful children that we get to do life with on - we have to beautiful children that we get to do life with on earth, i we have to beautiful children thatl we get to do life with on earth, we are so— we get to do life with on earth, we are so privileged, _ we get to do life with on earth, we are so privileged, and _ we get to do life with on earth, we are so privileged, and we - we get to do life with on earth, we are so privileged, and we also- we get to do life with on earth, wei are so privileged, and we also have three _ are so privileged, and we also have three that — are so privileged, and we also have three that l — are so privileged, and we also have three that i no _ are so privileged, and we also have three that i no longer— are so privileged, and we also have three that i no longer with- are so privileged, and we also have three that i no longer with us. i are so privileged, and we also have three that i no longer with us. we i three that i no longer with us. we have _ three that i no longer with us. we have always — three that i no longer with us. we have always recognised _ three that i no longer with us. we have always recognised that, i three that i no longer with us. we have always recognised that, —— l have always recognised that, —— three _ have always recognised that, —— three that — have always recognised that, —— three that are _ have always recognised that, —— three that are no _ have always recognised that, —— three that are no longer- have always recognised that, —— three that are no longer with . have always recognised that, ——| three that are no longer with us. have always recognised that, —— - three that are no longer with us. to have _ three that are no longer with us. to have tangible — three that are no longer with us. to have tangible recognition _ three that are no longer with us. to have tangible recognition means. three that are no longer with us. to. have tangible recognition means that the rest _ have tangible recognition means that the rest of— have tangible recognition means that the rest of the — have tangible recognition means that the rest of the world _ have tangible recognition means that the rest of the world understands - the rest of the world understands that and — the rest of the world understands that and there _ the rest of the world understands that and there is _ the rest of the world understands that and there is a _ the rest of the world understands that and there is a huge - the rest of the world understands that and there is a huge element| the rest of the world understands . that and there is a huge element of giving _ that and there is a huge element of giving people — that and there is a huge element of giving people the _ that and there is a huge element of giving people the choice _ that and there is a huge element of giving people the choice to - that and there is a huge element of giving people the choice to be - that and there is a huge element of giving people the choice to be able| giving people the choice to be able to have _ giving people the choice to be able to have access _ giving people the choice to be able to have access to _ giving people the choice to be able to have access to that _ giving people the choice to be able to have access to that because - giving people the choice to be able to have access to that because fori to have access to that because for some _ to have access to that because for some people _ to have access to that because for some pe0pte that— to have access to that because for some people that grief— to have access to that because for some people that grief will- to have access to that because for some people that grief will be - to have access to that because fori some people that grief will be very traumatic — some people that grief will be very traumatic they— some people that grief will be very traumatic. they may— some people that grief will be very traumatic. they may not _ some people that grief will be very traumatic. they may not want - some people that grief will be very traumatic. they may not want to l some people that grief will be veryi traumatic. they may not want to go there _ traumatic. they may not want to go there and _ traumatic. they may not want to go there and that — traumatic. they may not want to go there and that is _ traumatic. they may not want to go there and that is fine, _ traumatic. they may not want to go there and that is fine, but - traumatic. they may not want to go there and that is fine, but for- there and that is fine, but for others — there and that is fine, but for others there _ there and that is fine, but for others there will— there and that is fine, but for others there will be - there and that is fine, but for others there will be a - there and that is fine, but for others there will be a real - there and that is fine, but for. others there will be a real need there and that is fine, but for- others there will be a real need of closure _ others there will be a real need of closure around _ others there will be a real need of closure around that _ others there will be a real need of closure around that that _ others there will be a real need of closure around that that the - closure around that that the certificate _ closure around that that the certificate will— closure around that that the certificate will give - closure around that that the certificate will give access . closure around that that the i certificate will give access to. l

certificate will give access to. know this is in the autumn. certificate will give access to.“ know this is in the autumn. how certificate will give access to._ know this is in the autumn. how does this work in practice? will you get a certificate for the loss you have suffered previously? i a certificate for the loss you have suffered previously? lam a certificate for the loss you have suffered previously? i am trying to picture the scene. i can imagine, as and when that arrives, that will be hugely emotional. the and when that arrives, that will be hugely emotional.— and when that arrives, that will be hugely emotional. the whole aim of this certification _ hugely emotional. the whole aim of this certification system _ hugely emotional. the whole aim of this certification system is - hugely emotional. the whole aim of this certification system is the - this certification system is the fact that — this certification system is the fact that it will be able to be backdated and we certainly don't want _ backdated and we certainly don't want any— backdated and we certainly don't want any family to miss out and say, sorry, _ want any family to miss out and say, sorry, work— want any family to miss out and say, sorry, work loss happened before a certain— sorry, work loss happened before a certain date. the hope is that the system _ certain date. the hope is that the system will be in place for anybody, however _ system will be in place for anybody, however long ago there loss was, because _ however long ago there loss was, because the tens of thousands of people _ because the tens of thousands of people who have already been in touch _ people who have already been in touch regarding this asking if they will miss— touch regarding this asking if they will miss out, there loss happened years— will miss out, there loss happened years ago. — will miss out, there loss happened years ago, can they get it? we hope it wilt— years ago, can they get it? we hope it will be _ years ago, can they get it? we hope it will be available for all. you touched upon _ it will be available for all. you touched upon this _ it will be available for all. wit. touched upon this lucy, there is education about terminology. medical professionals are saying it is nature's away. you have been told

the body is getting used to it and it is a trial run, it almost dismisses it. one of the things i learnt today, we would say technically miscarriage or technically miscarriage or technically pregnancy loss but again it is about how... it takes it away from the technicality of the body failing and actually the emotional lots and lots of family and hope. that is part of the pregnancy loss review _ that is part of the pregnancy loss review which comes out in the autumn, — review which comes out in the autumn, looking at terminology and saying _ autumn, looking at terminology and saying we _ autumn, looking at terminology and saying we need to change so much. certification is a crucial part of that— certification is a crucial part of that review but so much more as part of it _ that review but so much more as part of it. changing how people are cared for and _ of it. changing how people are cared for and supported. the language surrounding loss. implements that are used _ surrounding loss. implements that are used irr— surrounding loss. implements that are used in loss which often people are used in loss which often people are told _ are used in loss which often people are told to — are used in loss which often people are told to deliver into a bed pan in a hospital setting and that is realty— in a hospital setting and that is really disrespectful to the baby, and so — really disrespectful to the baby, and so there is so much that needs to be _ and so there is so much that needs to be changed and the pregnancy loss

review _ to be changed and the pregnancy loss review is— to be changed and the pregnancy loss review is looking at that. also, review is looking at that. also, very early _ review is looking at that. also, very early baby _ review is looking at that. also, very early baby loss, _ review is looking at that. also, very early baby loss, to - review is looking at that. also, very early baby loss, to be - review is looking at that. also, | very early baby loss, to be told review is looking at that. also, i very early baby loss, to be told to go home and "it will happen naturally". and so the trauma of women going through that on their own and that being recognised. it is own and that being recognised. it is extremely common to have ptsd attowihg — extremely common to have ptsd allowing loss and it is not surprising, given how we support people _ surprising, given how we support people irr— surprising, given how we support people in the uk through these experiences and we need to be investing — experiences and we need to be investing more money into how people are looked _ investing more money into how people are looked after and we need to be acknowledging the poor care that has already— acknowledging the poor care that has already happened and what we can do to make _ already happened and what we can do to make a _ already happened and what we can do to make a difference. will already happened and what we can do to make a difference.— to make a difference. will there be an limit to make a difference. will there be any limit on _ to make a difference. will there be any limit on the _ to make a difference. will there be any limit on the gestation - to make a difference. will there be any limit on the gestation period i to make a difference. will there be any limit on the gestation period in terms of the pregnancy period? he. terms of the pregnancy period? no, in terms of — terms of the pregnancy period? no, in terms of the _ terms of the pregnancy period? no, in terms of the certificate, it is any toss— in terms of the certificate, it is any loss before 24 weeks. as it stands, — any loss before 24 weeks. as it stands, if — any loss before 24 weeks. as it stands, if your baby is born at 24 weeks _ stands, if your baby is born at 24 weeks or— stands, if your baby is born at 24 weeks or after, unless it is buoyant with signs — weeks or after, unless it is buoyant with signs of life you get either a stillbirth— with signs of life you get either a stillbirth certificate or a birth certificate and —— unless it is born with— certificate and —— unless it is born with signs — certificate and —— unless it is born with signs of _ certificate and —— unless it is born

with signs of life you get a birth and death— with signs of life you get a birth and death certificate. whatever the cause _ and death certificate. whatever the cause of— and death certificate. whatever the cause of the loss, you should be entitled — cause of the loss, you should be entitled to — cause of the loss, you should be entitled to get hold of this certificate.— entitled to get hold of this certificate. ., ., ., certificate. lucy, on a personal note, certificate. lucy, on a personal note. we _ certificate. lucy, on a personal note, we were _ certificate. lucy, on a personal note, we were talking - certificate. lucy, on a personal note, we were talking about i certificate. lucy, on a personal- note, we were talking about language and terminology. some is about officialdom and some is about ordinary people. people don't know how to help or react. like any bereavement, stay away and they think they can't speak, don't want to say the wrong thing. what is your experience of that and if someone is listening now he was thinking, i would like to do the right thing, if it ever happens to a friend or family, how can people go about it? for me it was really significant, having — for me it was really significant, having that _ for me it was really significant, having that permission - for me it was really significant, having that permission to - for me it was really significant, i having that permission to grieve, acknowledging _ having that permission to grieve, acknowledging there _ having that permission to grieve, acknowledging there was - having that permission to grieve, acknowledging there was life - having that permission to grieve, i acknowledging there was life there is really _ acknowledging there was life there is really important. _ acknowledging there was life there is really important. one _ acknowledging there was life there is really important. one of- acknowledging there was life there is really important. one of the - is really important. one of the things— is really important. one of the things i— is really important. one of the things i often— is really important. one of the things i often found _ is really important. one of the things i often found was - is really important. one of the things i often found was babyi is really important. one of the - things i often found was baby loss is such— things i often found was baby loss is such a _ things i often found was baby loss is such a significant _ things i often found was baby loss is such a significant struggle -

things i often found was baby loss is such a significant struggle for l is such a significant struggle for so many— is such a significant struggle for so many couples _ is such a significant struggle for so many couples around - is such a significant struggle for so many couples around the - is such a significant struggle for - so many couples around the country and the _ so many couples around the country and the world — so many couples around the country and the world that, _ so many couples around the country and the world that, actually, - so many couples around the country and the world that, actually, we - so many couples around the country and the world that, actually, we can almost _ and the world that, actually, we can almost become _ and the world that, actually, we can almost become desensitised - and the world that, actually, we can almost become desensitised to - and the world that, actually, we can almost become desensitised to it. and the world that, actually, we cani almost become desensitised to it as almost become desensitised to it as a society— almost become desensitised to it as a society so— almost become desensitised to it as a society so we _ almost become desensitised to it as a society so we think _ almost become desensitised to it as a society so we think because - almost become desensitised to it as a society so we think because it - almost become desensitised to it as a society so we think because it is l a society so we think because it is common— a society so we think because it is common we — a society so we think because it is common we almost _ a society so we think because it is common we almost don't - a society so we think because it is common we almost don't need i a society so we think because it is common we almost don't need to| common we almost don't need to acknowledge _ common we almost don't need to acknowledge it _ common we almost don't need to acknowledge it.— acknowledge it. how does that manifest in _ acknowledge it. how does that manifest in people _ acknowledge it. how does that manifest in people speaking i acknowledge it. how does that manifest in people speaking to acknowledge it. how does that - manifest in people speaking to you or not? i manifest in people speaking to you or not? ~ , manifest in people speaking to you or not? ~' , ., ., ., or not? i think there is a lot of hidden shame _ or not? i think there is a lot of hidden shame some _ or not? i think there is a lot of hidden shame some people i or not? i think there is a lot of - 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actually, to us, our children are precious gifts and we want then acknowtedged _ precious gifts and we want then acknowledged so _ precious gifts and we want then acknowledged so the _ precious gifts and we want then acknowledged so the biggest i precious gifts and we want then i acknowledged so the biggest thing for me _ acknowledged so the biggest thing for me is— acknowledged so the biggest thing for me is when— acknowledged so the biggest thing for me is when people _ acknowledged so the biggest thing for me is when people step- acknowledged so the biggest thing i for me is when people step alongside you, for me is when people step alongside you. allow— for me is when people step alongside you. allow you — for me is when people step alongside you. allow you to _ for me is when people step alongside you, allow you to do _ for me is when people step alongside you, allow you to do that _ for me is when people step alongside you, allow you to do that journey i for me is when people step alongside you, allow you to do that journey of l you, allow you to do that journey of .rief you, allow you to do that journey of grief and _ you, allow you to do that journey of griefand i'm— you, allow you to do that journey of griefand i'm not— you, allow you to do that journey of grief and i'm not fearful— you, allow you to do that journey of grief and i'm not fearful of- grief and i'm not fearful of mentioning _ grief and i'm not fearful of mentioning that. - grief and i'm not fearful of mentioning that. in- grief and i'm not fearful of mentioning that. in the i grief and i'm not fearful of. mentioning that. in the same grief and i'm not fearful of- mentioning that. in the same ways grief and i'm not fearful of— mentioning that. in the same ways we would _ mentioning that. in the same ways we would offer— mentioning that. in the same ways we would offer practical— mentioning that. in the same ways we would offer practical support - mentioning that. in the same ways we would offer practical support —— - mentioning that. in the same ways we would offer practical support —— and i would offer practical support —— and they are _ would offer practical support —— and they are not — would offer practical support —— and they are not fearful. _ would offer practical support —— and they are not fearful. practical - they are not fearful. practical support— they are not fearful. practical support for— they are not fearful. practical support for other— they are not fearful. practical support for other types - 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having both — really value. it has been good having both of _ really value. it has been good having both of you _ really value. it has been good having both of you here i really value. it has been good having both of you here and l really value. it has been good l having both of you here and we really value. it has been good i having both of you here and we will watch when this starts in the autumn. it watch when this starts in the autumn. , ., , , ., ,, ., autumn. it is time to speak to carol and find out — autumn. it is time to speak to carol and find out what _ autumn. it is time to speak to carol and find out what is _ autumn. it is time to speak to carol and find out what is happening i autumn. it is time to speak to carol and find out what is happening with| and find out what is happening with the weather. good morning. this morning it is a cloudy start for many, some well hang on the cloud. mostly dry today, a few showers in the forecast, and the sunniest conditions in the west. we have a couple of showers looking around at the moment and quite a bit of cloud but you can see where we have breaks in the cloud and we are starting on a sunny note. we will hang onto it across south—east scotland and much of england through the day, with a few showers here and there, across the lakes and pennines for example. the south west england, wales, northern ireland and scotland commit brighter skies and a fair bit of sunshine and temperatures down a notch or two on where they were yesterday. 21 in glasgow, 25 in london. through this evening and

overnight, we might see some early morning sunshine before the cloud spreads out —— early evening sunshine. especially through central scotland, northern england, wales and the midlands. still a night in the south with overnight lows of 16 or 17 degrees. fresh it we push north—west and westwards. tomorrow, more cloud around generally, we could catch a shower almost anywhere. some heavy ones, potentially thundering across northern england, wales and the midlands, and a few showers moving across the english channel, potentially clipping the south coast and the channel islands. with an onshore breeze across the north sea coast lines, here it will be chillier temperatures down a touch on today, highs of 23. thanks very much. if you got a slight glimpse of that, if you slightly had what charlie was saying, he was being educated on the language around football matches. i language around football matches. i was taking notes. there are 11

players each side in football, always good white and the ball in the back of the night. that always good white and the ball in the back of the night.— the back of the night. that is the most important. _ the back of the night. that is the most important. i _ the back of the night. that is the most important. i will— the back of the night. that is the most important. i will be - the back of the night. that is the most important. i will be very i most important. i will be very conscious _ most important. i will be very conscious about _ most important. i will be very conscious about my _ most important. i will be very conscious about my football l most important. i will be very i conscious about my football cliches. let's see how many we can count. you we don't care _ let's see how many we can count. you we don't care about cliches when the result is like it was last time. mi result is like it was last time. all we care result is like it was last time. fill we care about is england into the semifinals of the women's heroes. they produced dramatic fightback. goalless, then spain took the lead ten minutes into the second half. looked like it was going pear—shaped for england. six minutes from time equaliser from for england. six minutes from time equaliserfrom ella for england. six minutes from time equaliser from ella toone. extra time followed and what a moment for georgia stanway and so it will be england who play either sweden or belgian on tuesday in the semifinals. fantastic scenes in brighton. really pleased to say...

joining us now to talk about the lionesses' success last night is former england footballer rachel yankey, and jo green, the former pe teacher of england captain leah williamson. thank you both forjoining us. jo, what was leah like when she was younger, any sign she would be a future england captain? she younger, any sign she would be a future england captain?— future england captain? she was wonderful. _ future england captain? she was wonderful, she _ future england captain? she was wonderful, she hasn't _ future england captain? she was wonderful, she hasn't really i wonderful, she hasn't really changed, now you see her as england captain. _ changed, now you see her as england captain. she — changed, now you see her as england captain, she was calm, it worked really— captain, she was calm, it worked really hard — captain, she was calm, it worked really hard and that is why she is where _ really hard and that is why she is where she — really hard and that is why she is where she is today with her determination. she was a natural talent. _ determination. she was a natural talent. she — determination. she was a natural talent, she competed in more than football, _ talent, she competed in more than football, she did gymnastics, netball, — football, she did gymnastics, netball, she was an all—rounder. are netball, she was an all-rounder. are ou netball, she was an all-rounder. are you sensing — netball, she was an all—rounder. fife: you sensing that excitement netball, she was an all—rounder. s5x9: you sensing that excitement with netball, she was an all—rounder. six'9: you sensing that excitement with the young girls at your school? it is young girls at your school? it is incredible- _ young girls at your school? it is incredible. the _ young girls at your school? it is incredible. the inspiration. it is notjust— incredible. the inspiration. it is notjust our— incredible. the inspiration. it is notjust our young girls, teachers and adults— notjust our young girls, teachers and adults i speak to who are now

turning _ and adults i speak to who are now turning on— and adults i speak to who are now turning on the television. the younger— turning on the television. the younger students are very excited, we were _ younger students are very excited, we were fortunate that she came back a couple _ we were fortunate that she came back a couple of _ we were fortunate that she came back a couple of weeks ago and just to see the _ a couple of weeks ago and just to see the beam on the girls' face to see the beam on the girls' face to see that _ see the beam on the girls' face to see that leah was here and she wanted — see that leah was here and she wanted to— see that leah was here and she wanted to talk to them and it was inspiring — wanted to talk to them and it was inspiring to see a local person go on to— inspiring to see a local person go on to achieve what she has done and it is phenomenal. we on to achieve what she has done and it is phenomenal.— it is phenomenal. we know that ounuer it is phenomenal. we know that younger girls. _ it is phenomenal. we know that younger girls. two _ it is phenomenal. we know that younger girls, two thirds - it is phenomenal. we know that younger girls, two thirds drop l it is phenomenal. we know that l younger girls, two thirds drop out from playing sport when they are 16. what do you think needs to happen to keep that continuing? we are talking about women's football being the fastest growing sport in the world, will that make a difference in encouraging more girls to play sport once they leave school?— once they leave school? definitely havin: once they leave school? definitely having role _ once they leave school? definitely having role models— once they leave school? definitely having role models is— once they leave school? definitely having role models is a _ once they leave school? definitely having role models is a huge - once they leave school? definitely i having role models is a huge factor. media _ having role models is a huge factor. media coverage already favours male sports _ media coverage already favours male sports so _ media coverage already favours male sports so the fact you have the euro is on _ sports so the fact you have the euro is on mainstream tv and you have people _ is on mainstream tv and you have pecule like — is on mainstream tv and you have people like leah and all the other .irls people like leah and all the other girls representing the country

fantastically is completely inspiring. there is still a long way to go— inspiring. there is still a long way to go because every teacher in the whole _ to go because every teacher in the whole country i'm sure just once their— whole country i'm sure just once their students to participate and be healthy— their students to participate and be healthy and active and have that positive — healthy and active and have that positive body image of themselves, and so _ positive body image of themselves, and so hopefully, just with more sport— and so hopefully, just with more sport like — and so hopefully, just with more sport like this, and other sports, that growing will really inspire young — that growing will really inspire young people to find what their passion — young people to find what their passion is, whether that is going out and — passion is, whether that is going out and joining a pike run or taking up out and joining a pike run or taking up football— out and joining a pike run or taking up football —— joining a run does help— up football —— joining a run does help park— up football —— joining a run does help park run. we definitely need to keep inspiring. one thing you will notice _ keep inspiring. one thing you will notice from leah is the family backing — notice from leah is the family backing she has the support she has from her— backing she has the support she has from her friends and family and feeling — from her friends and family and feeling a — from her friends and family and feeling a lot of the success in school — feeling a lot of the success in school is _ feeling a lot of the success in school is fun having a good network around _ school is fun having a good network around them and it is role models, whether— around them and it is role models, whether a — around them and it is role models, whether a family member or someone

who is— whether a family member or someone who is now— whether a family member or someone who is now famous in their own right for this— who is now famous in their own right for this fighting ability. you who is now famous in their own right for this fighting ability.— for this fighting ability. you can reall feel for this fighting ability. you can really feel that. _ for this fighting ability. you can really feelthat. rachel, - for this fighting ability. you can really feel that. rachel, you - really feel that. rachel, you predicted a 2—0 win for england over spain. it felt hard in the end, how impressed are you mean with this england side and that performance last night? england side and that performance last niuht? �* , :, england side and that performance lastniuht? �* , :, , last night? don't listen to my predictions! _ last night? don't listen to my predictions! i— last night? don't listen to my predictions! i was _ last night? don't listen to my predictions! i was really - last night? don't listen to my - predictions! i was really impressed stop obviously— predictions! i was really impressed stop obviously they _ predictions! i was really impressed stop obviously they have _ predictions! i was really impressed stop obviously they have had - predictions! i was really impressed stop obviously they have had a - stop obviously they have had a fantastic — stop obviously they have had a fantastic group _ stop obviously they have had a fantastic group stage - stop obviously they have had a fantastic group stage and - stop obviously they have had a fantastic group stage and at i stop obviously they have had a i fantastic group stage and at one point _ fantastic group stage and at one point in — fantastic group stage and at one point in the _ fantastic group stage and at one point in the game _ fantastic group stage and at one point in the game you _ fantastic group stage and at one point in the game you kind - fantastic group stage and at one point in the game you kind of. point in the game you kind of thought— point in the game you kind of thought they _ point in the game you kind of thought they were _ point in the game you kind of thought they were down - point in the game you kind of thought they were down and i point in the game you kind of. thought they were down and out point in the game you kind of- thought they were down and out but they dug _ thought they were down and out but they dug deep. _ thought they were down and out but they dug deep, major— thought they were down and out but they dug deep, major changes - thought they were down and out but they dug deep, major changes and i thought they were down and out but i they dug deep, major changes and we always— they dug deep, major changes and we always spol

expectation? it they are coping with that expectation?— they are coping with that expectation? they are coping with that exectation? :, :, ~ , they are coping with that exectation? :, :, ,, , . expectation? it looks like they are takin: it in expectation? it looks like they are taking it in their _ expectation? it looks like they are taking it in their stride. _ expectation? it looks like they are taking it in their stride. i - expectation? it looks like they are taking it in their stride. i like - taking it in their stride. i like how— taking it in their stride. i like how they— taking it in their stride. i like how they celebrate - taking it in their stride. i like how they celebrate and - taking it in their stride. i like how they celebrate and look| taking it in their stride. i like - how they celebrate and look like they are — how they celebrate and look like they are having _ how they celebrate and look like they are having fun _ how they celebrate and look like they are having fun because - how they celebrate and look like i they are having fun because these are not— they are having fun because these are not normal— they are having fun because these are not normal moments. - they are having fun because these are not normal moments. home i they are having fun because these - are not normal moments. home heroes don't come — are not normal moments. home heroes don't come around — are not normal moments. home heroes don't come around every _ are not normal moments. home heroes don't come around every year. - are not normal moments. home heroes don't come around every year. you - don't come around every year. you have _ don't come around every year. you have to _ don't come around every year. you have to really _ don't come around every year. you have to really relish _ don't come around every year. you have to really relish the _ don't come around every year. you have to really relish the moment . don't come around every year. youl have to really relish the moment —— home _ have to really relish the moment —— home euros — have to really relish the moment —— home euros. there _ have to really relish the moment —— home euros. there were _ have to really relish the moment —— home euros. there were tough - have to really relish the moment —— - home euros. there were tough moments and they— home euros. there were tough moments and they will— home euros. there were tough moments and they will always _ home euros. there were tough moments and they will always be _ home euros. there were tough moments and they will always be because - and they will always be because spain _ and they will always be because spain are — and they will always be because spain are a _ and they will always be because spain are a top— and they will always be because spain are a top side _ and they will always be because spain are a top side and - and they will always be because spain are a top side and they. and they will always be because - spain are a top side and they coped with it _ spain are a top side and they coped with it and — spain are a top side and they coped with it and they— spain are a top side and they coped with it and they dug _ spain are a top side and they coped with it and they dug deep _ spain are a top side and they coped with it and they dug deep and - with it and they dug deep and altogether— with it and they dug deep and altogether as _ with it and they dug deep and altogether as a _ with it and they dug deep and altogether as a squat - with it and they dug deep and altogether as a squat they - with it and they dug deep and - altogether as a squat they through it. it altogether as a squat they through it it is _ altogether as a squat they through it it is going — altogether as a squat they through it it is going to _ altogether as a squat they through it. it is going to be _ altogether as a squat they through it. it is going to be harder- altogether as a squat they through it. it is going to be harder for- altogether as a squat they through it. it is going to be harder for the i it. it is going to be harder for the next _ it. it is going to be harder for the next game — it. it is going to be harder for the next game and _ it. it is going to be harder for the next game and hopefully- it. it is going to be harder for the next game and hopefully they . it. it is going to be harder for thei next game and hopefully they will .et next game and hopefully they will get to _ next game and hopefully they will get to the — next game and hopefully they will get to the final. _ next game and hopefully they will get to the final. do _ next game and hopefully they will get to the final.— get to the final. do you see them winnina get to the final. do you see them winning it? _ get to the final. do you see them winning it? is— get to the final. do you see them winning it? is this _ get to the final. do you see them winning it? is this their _ get to the final. do you see them | winning it? is this their moment? there has been so much talk about these two years, peaking at this point and with the world cup next year. it point and with the world cup next ear. , , . :, :, year. it is definitely a moment of chan . e. year. it is definitely a moment of change- we _ year. it is definitely a moment of change. we have _ year. it is definitely a moment of change. we have seen, -

year. it is definitely a moment of change. we have seen, as - year. it is definitely a moment of change. we have seen, as 10 - year. it is definitely a moment ofj change. we have seen, as 10 was change. we have seen, asjo was alluding — change. we have seen, asjo was alluding to, — change. we have seen, asjo was alluding to, the _ change. we have seen, asjo was alluding to, the visibility, - change. we have seen, asjo was alluding to, the visibility, be - change. we have seen, asjo was alluding to, the visibility, be it. alluding to, the visibility, be it the ability— alluding to, the visibility, be it the ability to _ alluding to, the visibility, be it the ability to change _ alluding to, the visibility, be it. the ability to change perceptions. we now— the ability to change perceptions. we now have _ the ability to change perceptions. we now have a _ the ability to change perceptions. we now have a visible _ the ability to change perceptions. we now have a visible role - the ability to change perceptions. | we now have a visible role models for young — we now have a visible role models for young kids _ we now have a visible role models for young kids and _ we now have a visible role models for young kids and for— we now have a visible role models for young kids and for everybody l for young kids and for everybody else so _ for young kids and for everybody else so that _ for young kids and for everybody else so that is _ for young kids and for everybody else so that is exactly _ for young kids and for everybody else so that is exactly what - for young kids and for everybody else so that is exactly what we l else so that is exactly what we want — else so that is exactly what we want will— else so that is exactly what we want. will they _ else so that is exactly what we want. will they win _ else so that is exactly what we want. will they win it? - else so that is exactly what we want. will they win it? i- else so that is exactly what we want. will they win it? i don'tl want. will they win it? i don't know — want. will they win it? i don't know come _ want. will they win it? i don't know. come here. _ want. will they win it? i don't know. come here. will- want. will they win it? i don't know. come here. will they. want. will they win it? i don't . know. come here. will they win want. will they win it? i don't - know. come here. will they win it? i don't _ know. come here. will they win it? i don't know— know. come here. will they win it? i don't know because _ know. come here. will they win it? i don't know because there _ know. come here. will they win it? i don't know because there are - know. come here. will they win it? i don't know because there are so - know. come here. will they win it? i. don't know because there are so many other— don't know because there are so many other fantastic— don't know because there are so many other fantastic teams— don't know because there are so many other fantastic teams are _ don't know because there are so many other fantastic teams are still - don't know because there are so many other fantastic teams are still in - other fantastic teams are still in this competition. _ other fantastic teams are still in this competition. i— other fantastic teams are still in this competition. idon't- other fantastic teams are still in this competition. i don't know, i other fantastic teams are still in| this competition. i don't know, it will be _ this competition. i don't know, it will be tough, _ this competition. idon't know, it will be tough, they— this competition. idon't know, it will be tough, they will— this competition. i don't know, it will be tough, they will have - this competition. i don't know, it. will be tough, they will have more games— will be tough, they will have more games like — will be tough, they will have more games like yesterday— will be tough, they will have more games like yesterday that - will be tough, they will have more games like yesterday that will - will be tough, they will have more games like yesterday that will be i games like yesterday that will be tough _ games like yesterday that will be tough but — games like yesterday that will be tough but they— games like yesterday that will be tough but they have _ games like yesterday that will be tough but they have a _ games like yesterday that will be tough but they have a good - games like yesterday that will be tough but they have a good side i games like yesterday that will be i tough but they have a good side and .ood tough but they have a good side and good momentum _ tough but they have a good side and good momentum and _ tough but they have a good side and good momentum and have - tough but they have a good side and good momentum and have the - tough but they have a good side and | good momentum and have the home support— good momentum and have the home support and — good momentum and have the home support and a — good momentum and have the home support and a support. _ good momentum and have the home support and a support. [it— good momentum and have the home support and a support.— support and a support. it sounds like ou support and a support. it sounds like you have — support and a support. it sounds like you have many _ support and a support. it sounds like you have many england - support and a support. it sounds like you have many england fans support and a support. it sounds - like you have many england fans with you. like you have many england fans with ou. : ~' . like you have many england fans with ou. w' , y :, like you have many england fans with ou. w , , :, , you. pick them up, if you wish. introduced _ you. pick them up, if you wish. introduced us! _ you. pick them up, if you wish. introduced us! come _ you. pick them up, if you wish. introduced us! come on, - you. pick them up, if you wish. introduced us! come on, then. | you. pick them up, if you wish. - introduced us! come on, then. she is lovel ! it introduced us! come on, then. she is lovely! it was — introduced us! come on, then. she is lovely! it was a _ introduced us! come on, then. she is lovely! it was a late _ introduced us! come on, then. she is lovely! it was a late night, _ introduced us! come on, then. she is lovely! it was a late night, wasn't - lovely! it was a late night, wasn't it? this is — lovely! it was a late night, wasn't

it? this is what _ lovely! it was a late night, wasn't it? this is what leah _ lovely! it was a late night, wasn't it? this is what leah was - lovely! it was a late night, wasn't it? this is what leah was telling i lovely! it was a late night, wasn't. it? this is what leah was telling us about, all the casey you have to stay up late to watch. we have to leave it there. thank you so much, and tojo, leah williamson's pe teacher. what a fantastic story. it has a good feel around it, really good feel. has a good feel around it, really good feel-— good feel. tough semifinal, potential— good feel. tough semifinal, potential against _ good feel. tough semifinal, potential against germany. | good feel. tough semifinal, - potential against germany. leah is not making predictions but we have. you have. :. she was the inspiration behind the much—loved characterjill from the tv series it's a sin, and now the real—lifejill nalder has released a memoir about living through the aids crisis in the 19805. it was jill's story of caring for her dying friends that led russell t davies to write the show. jill went on to become a campaigner, helping raise money for charity and to de—stigmatise living with hiv. we'll talk tojill in a moment but let's take a look at the character she inspired on it's a sin, played

by actress lydia west. i'm jill. what's your name? marcus. you ok, marcus? anything i can get for you? no. well...| mightjust sit here for a bit, if you don't mind. is that 0k? yeah. good. and jill nalderjoins us now. good morning. good morning. this book, a

good morning. good morning. this book. a lot — good morning. good morning. this book. a lot of _ good morning. good morning. this book, a lot of people _ good morning. good morning. this book, a lot of people come - good morning. good morning. this book, a lot of people come to - good morning. good morning. this book, a lot of people come to the l book, a lot of people come to the story through the tissues —— tv series but this is a story of where you are and what you are doing. lanthem you are and what you are doing. when the aids epidemic— you are and what you are doing. when the aids epidemic hit _ you are and what you are doing. when the aids epidemic hit i _ you are and what you are doing. when the aids epidemic hit i was _ you are and what you are doing. �*tfaru9ri the aids epidemic hit i was in london in drama school and then just after drama school we heard about it to mid 805 and it escalated during the 19805 and so my story takes place in the mid—19 805 to the early 19905, when it was the most devastating for our community. you recount very — devastating for our community. you recount very honestly and openly at the very early days. took u5 recount very honestly and openly at the very early days. took us through this picture. the very early days. took us through this picture-— this picture. that is a bunch of us at the pink _ this picture. that is a bunch of us at the pink palace. _ this picture. that is a bunch of us at the pink palace. that - this picture. that is a bunch of us at the pink palace. that was - this picture. that is a bunch of us at the pink palace. that was your flat, at the pink palace. that was your flat. where _ at the pink palace. that was your flat, where people _ at the pink palace. that was your flat, where people met. - at the pink palace. that was your flat, where people met. we - at the pink palace. that was your flat, where people met. we hadl at the pink palace. that was your| flat, where people met. we had a lovely time _ flat, where people met. we had a lovely time but _ flat, where people met. we had a lovely time but we _ flat, where people met. we had a lovely time but we got _ flat, where people met. we had a lovely time but we got so - flat, where people met. we had a| lovely time but we got so beautiful accommodation, which was read out when you are a student.—

when you are a student. these were ha - when you are a student. these were happy times — when you are a student. these were happy times but _ when you are a student. these were happy times but the _ when you are a student. these were happy times but the backdrop - when you are a student. these were happy times but the backdrop to - when you are a student. these were| happy times but the backdrop to this was that something was happening and initially nobody knew quite what and there was a lot of fear and silence. and confusion and misinformation because nobody even had an idea. first, you didn't know what it was, nobody did, and then you got a bit of information here and there, not like today when you can look it up online. there was nothing around so you had to really search for information may be in bars or clubs or maybe in your local gp or something. it was very hard to find anything, it was so confusing. in the book you talk about your parents and how they were pretty open—minded and how they were pretty open—minded and easier maybe to talk to them lots of other parents might have been. i lots of other parents might have been. .. lots of other parents might have been. ~' ,:, ~' lots of other parents might have been. ~ ,:, ~ ., , been. ithink so. ithink i was 'ust blessed withfi been. i think so. i think i was 'ust blessed with that. i been. i think so. i think i was 'ust blessed with that. my * been. ithink so. ithink i wasjust blessed with that. my parents - been. i think so. i think i wasjusti blessed with that. my parents were very open—minded but a lot of people felt the stigma of even being gay so

they can say to their parents that they can say to their parents that they were gay so when you became infected with hiv and it was a terminal diagnosis, they would never be a cure at that point, there is not a cure now, it is very manageable but at that time people were terrified stop i was lucky with my parents, but so many people didn't have that. it my parents, but so many people didn't have that.— my parents, but so many people didn't have that. it almost goes to the role that _ didn't have that. it almost goes to the role that you _ didn't have that. it almost goes to the role that you ended _ didn't have that. it almost goes to the role that you ended up - didn't have that. it almost goes to l the role that you ended up playing, or being come in your group of friends because you are often a crutch and the person they could speak to and maybe even the go—between. i speak to and maybe even the go-between-_ speak to and maybe even the ao-between. ~ ,:, . go-between. i think so. that did ha en go-between. i think so. that did happen to _ go-between. i think so. that did happen to me — go-between. i think so. that did happen to me because _ go-between. i think so. that did i happen to me because sometimes people left it until the 11th hour. when they were dying.— people left it until the 11th hour. when they were dying. when they were d in: , and when they were dying. when they were dying. and they — when they were dying. when they were dying, and they haven't _ when they were dying. when they were dying, and they haven't told _ when they were dying. when they were dying, and they haven't told their - dying, and they haven't told their parents and so you were there at that time, which was absolutely devastating the parents. absolutely terrifying for me in trying to bridge that gap but what else could

you do? bridge that gap but what else could ou do? :, , :, :, bridge that gap but what else could ou do? :, i. :, :, :, you do? how did you move on from there to activist? _ you do? how did you move on from there to activist? i _ you do? how did you move on from there to activist? i was _ you do? how did you move on from there to activist? i was in _ you do? how did you move on from there to activist? i was in west - you do? how did you move on from there to activist? i was in west end j there to activist? i was in west end shell, i there to activist? i was in west end shell. l was — there to activist? i was in west end shell. l was in _ there to activist? i was in west end shell, i was in les _ there to activist? i was in west end shell, i was in les mis _ there to activist? i was in west end shell, i was in les mis and - there to activist? i was in west end shell, i was in les mis and the - there to activist? i was in west end | shell, i was in les mis and the west end was very effective with people who are sick or who died and so it was a hotbed of readiness to come and help and put on shows and do charity events and that kind of things so we set up a charity event which was west end cares, and people are so willing and it was a perfect way to fund raise. we did late night cabaret is and crazy things and it was a source of huge support. we have talked quite a bit on the programme about the generations who have learnt about what happened then through the tv programme, russell t

davies' scripting and you must have had that conversation many times with people saying here is what it was like. not lecturing, because why would people know? the was like. not lecturing, because why would people know?— would people know? the incredible thin is would people know? the incredible thing is that _ would people know? the incredible thing is that it _ would people know? the incredible thing is that it amazed _ would people know? the incredible thing is that it amazed me - would people know? the incredible thing is that it amazed me and - thing is that it amazed me and russell, because he had no idea of the effect that it's a sin would have come he was as surprised as anyone, even though he is brilliant and has all sorts of accolades in the past but so many people said, i had no idea. especially young people, they have no idea, but even people, they have no idea, but even people of our age and even older saying, if it wasn't directly in your path, people didn't have any idea. :, ~' your path, people didn't have any idea. :, ~ .: your path, people didn't have any idea. :, ~ :, :, your path, people didn't have any idea. :, ~' :, :, . your path, people didn't have any idea. :, ~ :, :, . :, idea. you knew each other for a long time. that was _ idea. you knew each other for a long time. that was a _ idea. you knew each other for a long time. that was a very _ idea. you knew each other for a long time. that was a very young - time. that was a very young paycheque. i time. that was a very young paycheque— time. that was a very young na cheue. :, , :, :, paycheque. i was in a restaurant in swansea when _ paycheque. i was in a restaurant in swansea when we _ paycheque. i was in a restaurant in swansea when we were _ paycheque. i was in a restaurant in swansea when we were teenagers | paycheque. i was in a restaurant in - swansea when we were teenagers from college, i think. swansea when we were teenagers from college, ithink. i have known swansea when we were teenagers from college, i think. i have known him since he was... he is a bit younger than me, i admit. since he was... he is a bit younger than me, iadmit. he since he was... he is a bit younger than me, i admit. he has been my friend for many years and that is why he new people. we have mutual friends, he new people i knew who

were sick and so he was inspired by that and so it was the whole thing of it has been a voyage of discovery. it of it has been a voyage of discovery-— of it has been a voyage of discove . , , , discovery. it is very helpful, the wa ou discovery. it is very helpful, the way you talk _ discovery. it is very helpful, the way you talk about _ discovery. it is very helpful, the way you talk about things - discovery. it is very helpful, the way you talk about things but i way you talk about things but clearly you lost a lot of friends. there was a lot of lust for you. there was a lot of lust for you. there was, and this is an incredible way to remember those boys. —— there was a lot of loss for you. no what they have given back since it's a sin and people prepared to speak about hiv and aids and living with it because people still have a stigma, they still feel a bit reluctant to be honest about their diagnosis and things like that so there are all sorts of movements to eradicate it, people can be tested and it became undetectable and you wouldn't be able to spread it so it is trying to get the word out that it is manageable, you can live a

totally full life now and not to be afraid of getting tested and i think it's a sin has made huge strides in that, we did not see it coming at all. :. .. that, we did not see it coming at all. . ,, , :, that, we did not see it coming at all. :. ~' , :, , that, we did not see it coming at all. . ,, i. , : that, we did not see it coming at all. :. , : m all. thank you very much. my pleasure- _ all. thank you very much. my pleasure. good _ all. thank you very much. my pleasure. good to _ all. thank you very much. my pleasure. good to see - all. thank you very much. my pleasure. good to see you. . stay with us, headlines coming up.

good morning, welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today — the uk's next prime minister — the final two candidates in the conservative leadership race, liz truss and rishi sunak, begin to set out their pitches to win over party members. emergency services are continuing to assess the damage following a series of devastating fires across the uk. i am in dagenham of devastating fires across the uk. lam in dagenham in of devastating fires across the uk. i am in dagenham in east london this morning, where 11! homes were destroyed. did this week's heatwave add to

the growing problem of food waste? after fridges failed in the hot temperatures, pictures emerged of empty shelves. why did it all have to be thrown away? i'll be finding out. coming together — the widows of roy castle and james brokenshire join forces to call for national lung cancer screening. england fight back to reach the semifinals of the euros. an extra time time winner from georgia stanway sees them come from behind to beat spain. it's not over half of all kennels in the uk have closed during lockdown, but with many more of us now owning dogs, if you want your pooch pampered in a boarding house, places are very much harder to come by. good morning. a cloudy day across south—east scotland on much of england, with the odd shower here and there, but out towards the west,

drier, brighterand and there, but out towards the west, drier, brighter and sunnier, and there, but out towards the west, drier, brighterand sunnier, and today will also be a little cooler than yesterday. all the details later in the programme. good morning. it's thursday 215tjuly. our top story — two candidates are left in the race to replace borisjohnson, as rishi sunak and liz truss, go head to head to become the next prime minister. a key battleground is likely to be taxation, with m5 truss promising immediate tax cuts, while mr sunak says he would wait until inflation is under control. our political correspondent jonathan blake reports. he's the former chancellor who quit borisjohnson's government, arguing now restraint is what's needed to get a grip on the economy. the question now for our members is, who is the best person to defeat keir starmer and the labour party at the next election? i believe i'm the only candidate who can do that. she's the foreign secretary with a tough reputation, who reckons rapid tax cuts are the answer to the rising cost of living.

i'm the person who can go into numberten, i can hit the ground running and i can get things done, and i think that's what colleagues have voted for and that's what i now want to take to conservative members around the country. the final pair were chosen in one last round of voting by mp5. therefore, rishi sunak and liz truss will be i the candidates going forward. the trade minister penny mordaunt was eliminated after building significant support. allies blamed vicious media briefings against her. so what do we know about the two finalists to be our next prime minister? the former chancellor rishi sunak became an mp in 2015, voted leave in the eu referendum, and has said he wants to cut taxes, but only when inflation's under control. the foreign secretary liz truss was first elected in 2010, became a cabinet minister in 2014, and voted remain in the eu referendum, but rapidly became an enthusiast for brexit.

she is promising immediate tax cuts. over the next several weeks, conservative party members will vote to determine their new leader and the country's next prime minister. so what do these young tories make of the contenders? i think in particular promises are cheap, and i'm wanting to hear a candidate that is honest about the trade—offs that the country is facing. liz truss, i think, is very good for the kind of right wing of the party. but also i think rishi sunak has done a good job, as well. so i think you need to go in with an open mind to the hustings. these votes need to connect with absolutely everybody, i notjust ourselves. the fierce rivalry between the two candidates for number ten promises plenty of heated debate about what the conservatives want from their leader, and the course they should set to govern the uk. jonathan blake, bbc news. let's speak now to our political correspondent iain watson, who's in westminster. iain, two very different candidates now vying to become the next leader. if liz truss and rishi sunak are

talking basically to the conservative party membership, why should the rest of us, i don't even know what percentage of the population, care? buti know what percentage of the population, care? but i suppose it is about what they promise to the conservative party membership, that will affect us directly from september the 5th.- will affect us directly from september the 5th. will affect us directly from se tember the 5th. . september the 5th. yes, we will get the results on _ september the 5th. yes, we will get the results on september _ september the 5th. yes, we will get the results on september the - september the 5th. yes, we will get the results on september the 5th, i the results on september the 5th, the results on september the 5th, the new prime minister will be in place on september the 6th. the question is, what will become of the conservative party members? because they will select the next prime minister, not the rest of us. but they will potentially be governing for two more years from number ten, and those decisions will affect the entire country. today, for example, rishi sunak was throwing some thatcherite red meat to the party members, talking about title controls —— tighter controls on immigration. we had in the peace there that liz truss will go on a tax—cutting agenda, which achievements will appeal to the conservative grassroots, and they will be doing a whole series of

meetings with the conservative membership, starting next week in leeds, ending at the end of august in london. but also there are campaigns being carried out on social media, too. last night, rishi sunak released a rather slight video showing his reaction to the fact he had topped a poll. not of party members, but fellow mp5. had topped a poll. not of party members, but fellow mps. sunak, 137. truss, 112. members, but fellow mps. sunak, 137. truss. 112- yes! — truss, 112. yes! cheering - truss, 112. yes! cheering. - cheering. dies we totally smashed it, well done! _ dies we totally smashed it, well done! -- — dies we totally smashed it, well done! —— guys, we totally smashed it. done! -- guys, we totally smashed it. ~ . done! -- guys, we totally smashed it. will that look triumphalist? he has not it. will that look triumphalist? he has got the _ it. will that look triumphalist? he has got the backing _ it. will that look triumphalist? he has got the backing of _ it. will that look triumphalist? he has got the backing of more - has got the backing of more conservative mp5 than his rival, but it is the conservative party numbers it is the conservative party numbers it will make that decision. the

conservative party membership, to put it politely, is relatively old, many of them over 60. i don't know if they will be consuming the news more from us, the bbc debate on monday night, orfrom more from us, the bbc debate on monday night, or from social media videos. i do not think the web switch can be applied to liz truss. she issued the street when she managed to get onto the ballot. she said she was going to hit the ground. that sounds rather painful and not desperately successful, but i think she meant hit the ground running. that tweet was later deleted, and the full phrase, hit the ground running, is what she has been saying in subsequent interviews. there will be policy differences, but there's also a differences, but there's also a difference in tone and style between the two candidates, which will also matter when conservative members are thinking about who might appeal to the rest of the country when a general election comes.- the rest of the country when a general election comes. iain, i have en'o ed general election comes. iain, i have enjoyed you — general election comes. iain, i have enjoyed you going — general election comes. iain, i have enjoyed you going through - general election comes. iain, i have enjoyed you going through all - general election comes. iain, i have enjoyed you going through all of - enjoyed you going through all of that, thanks very much. iain watson there. the time now is 8.08.

dozens of families are dealing with the loss of their homes after they were destroyed by wildfires in the record—breaking heatwave. 15 areas around the uk declared a major incident when fires broke out. tim muffett is in dagenham, one of the affected areas. morning, tim. what's it looking like there? it is quite a surreal sight. you can see the houses behind me, they look like they have melted, effectively. quite a few fire crews assessing the damage, but there is immense relief, of course, that no lives were lost. lillian, you livejust on this road here, just over the way from the cul—de—sac we see behind us. you are here on tuesday, just tell us what happened.

the police knocked on our doors and told everyone to get out with their animals _ told everyone to get out with their animals. we were all concerned about our animals _ animals. we were all concerned about ouranimals. people animals. we were all concerned about our animals. people gave us drinks, i would _ our animals. people gave us drinks, i would like — our animals. people gave us drinks, i would like to thank them, and the council— i would like to thank them, and the council people who came down and helped _ council people who came down and helped us— council people who came down and helped us all. so council people who came down and helped us all-— council people who came down and helped us all. so you were 'ust told to net out helped us all. so you were 'ust told to get out of — helped us all. so you were 'ust told to get out of your * helped us all. so you were 'ust told to get out of your house? _ helped us all. so you were just told to get out of your house? yes, - to get out of your house? yes, they 'ust said to get out of your house? yes, they just said to — to get out of your house? yes, they just said to get _ to get out of your house? yes, they just said to get out _ to get out of your house? yes, they just said to get out of— to get out of your house? yes, they just said to get out of our— just said to get out of our houses as quick— just said to get out of our houses as quick as— just said to get out of our houses as quick as possible. how just said to get out of our houses as quick as possible.— just said to get out of our houses as quick as possible. how has the community _ as quick as possible. how has the community come _ as quick as possible. how has the community come together - as quick as possible. how has the community come together in - as quick as possible. how has the community come together in the | as quick as possible. how has the . community come together in the last couple of days? we community come together in the last couple of days?— couple of days? we have all supported — couple of days? we have all supported each _ couple of days? we have all supported each other, - couple of days? we have all supported each other, we . couple of days? we have all - supported each other, we spoke couple of days? we have all _ supported each other, we spoke about it and _ supported each other, we spoke about it and everything, and there is a web page — it and everything, and there is a web page to help the people who lost their homes. 14 families that have to be _ their homes. 14 families that have to be rehoused, and they need help,

obviously. _ to be rehoused, and they need help, obviously, from this web page. if anyone _ obviously, from this web page. if anyone can — obviously, from this web page. if anyone can donate, whether it is a fiver— anyone can donate, whether it is a fiver or— anyone can donate, whether it is a fiver or £20. — anyone can donate, whether it is a fiver or £20, whatever they can afford. — fiver or £20, whatever they can afford, that would be really appreciated to the community. lillian, — appreciated to the community. lillian, thank you so much. i really appreciate it. so many people have said about the community spirit, people coming together here. in the grand scheme of things, i know it is not that much, and i appreciate your time and i hope things get back to normal soon for you and your neighbours. one of so many stories we have had over the last couple of days, people whose lives have been transformed. investigation is under way, but the precise cause of these files will be very difficult to clarify specifically. this one, we believe, started in a field somewhere over the road, but spread somewhere over the road, but spread so quickly, causing so much devastation, of course the houses you see behind me show what can happen when begins as a grass fire gets completely out of control. tim. gets completely out of control. tim, thanks very — gets completely out of control. tim, thanks very much. _

here's carol with a look at this morning's weather. by by the time we get to sunday, parts of the south of england could be back up to 30 celsius, but as you rightly said, today will be a bit cooler than yesterday for many of us. mostly dry as well, one or two showers in the forecast, sunniest conditions in the west, but quite a bit of cloud across south—east scotland and much of england. this is where we will see a few showers, around the lake district, the pennines, to 9 a couple of areas. as towards the west, more prone to seeing some sunshine, with temperatures in the west 15 to 24 celsius. are top tempted today is likely to be 25 around the london area. heading into the evening, you will fine that we may well see a few breaks developing, some of us are seeing a little bit more sunshine,

but still a few showers across the midlands, in three parts of north—west england, southern scotland, into the highlands, but a lot of dry weather around as well, and still a fair bit of early evening sunshine. through the rest of the evening and into the overnight period, the cloud will spread and build, and he will start to see more showers coming our way. some of them across central scotland, northern england, wales, and into the midlands. and still in one night in southern england, fresh as we push further north and west. tomorrow, a lot of cloud around, we could catch a shower almost anywhere. likely to be heaviest across northern england, wales, and the midlands, maybe the odd rumble of thunder, and a few showers crossing the english channel. and areas adjacent to it. a breeze coming in from the north sea down the north sea coastline, means it will be cooler here, but tomorrow temperatures dip just a little bit more before they arise again at the weekend. and we will get a longer term forecast later, carol. thank you so much. it is 8.14.

lung cancer is the most common cause of cancer death in the uk, and two women who know this better than most are cathy brokenshire and fiona castle. cathy lost her husband james brokenshire, the former northern ireland secretary, to the disease, and fiona is the widow of the musician and television presenter roy castle. both women are campaigning for a national lung cancer screening programme to be available to everyone, regardless of risk factor or age. our reporter zoe conway was there when they met for the very first time. morning, maggie. it's 1986, and roy castle is trying to beat a world record by parascending under ten london bridges. there we go. we're through. absolutely magic. fearless and seemingly always happy. he was the much—loved presenter of record breakers for 20 years. and the news is that roy's a record breaker.

we've got time for a lap of honour. someone who remembers watching roy's programmes growing up is cathy brokenshire. it's one reason why she wanted to meet fiona castle. cathy's husband, james, died of lung cancer last october. roy castle died 27 years ago, so they both now know what it's like to return to an empty home. there are so many facets of it, aren't there? when you've had an exciting day or something's happened, you go home. "i've got nobody to tell." yeah. there's a sort of loneliness about it that you don't anticipate before. you know, i've had family, friends and neighbours have been absolutely incredible. and you really notice it when you're on your own. yes. yes, you really do. roy castle and his four children performing together for a christmas special. he said that one of the hardest

things about his cancer diagnosis was telling his family. i had to phone my son in norway. and as soon as he came on the phone... ..i couldn't speak. fiona had to take over. we suddenly realised that what we had, which has always been so super as a family, might be coming to an end. and there was a lot of sadness there. a5 roy castle endured gruelling treatments, the nation watched. the discipline of keeping still is the hardest part of it. never before had a public figure been so open about their cancer. he'd never smoked. his case helped bring to light the dangers of passive smoking, and he raised hundreds of thousands of pounds for lung cancer research.

roy never got worried about it. he just took it on. and, "this is the way it is, and i'm going to fight it right to the end," and he did. james brokenshire was secretary of state for northern ireland when he got his diagnosis. he'd also never smoked. from everything i've seen and experienced, early diagnosis and treatment lies at the heart of this. that's why i believe that a national screening programme for lung cancer is needed. a minute's silence forjames brokenshire. he was known as the nicest man in politics. he said to friends, "i've had a good life, you know, i've achieved what i've wanted to. i've married an amazing woman and i've got three brilliant kids. i've made a difference." both roy and james died some two and a half years after their diagnosis.

he died at 5.00 in the morning, and i tried to phone all my relatives and his relatives so that they wouldn't find out through the press. that was one of the things for me. _ because i knew it was going to happen very quickly. and the morning thatjames died, again, knowing that it was going to break, i was trying to phone friends, and other friends were phoning otherfriends. and i was having people on the phone crying uncontrollably to me, and me trying to calm them down, and trying to stay strong. after roy died, fiona went on a world tour to raise awareness, meeting leaders such as nelson mandela. now it's cathy's turn to hit the campaign trail. she's meeting jeff smith. his lung cancer was caught early thanks to targeted screening. one morning, i sawl a letter on the floor, from the nhs, i thought, "what's all this about?" i and it just said that there was a . lung cancer screening programme

in salford for people between 55 and 74. i he went for the scan. a tumour measuring nine millimeters was discovered. when dr grundy said, - "it's cancer," i was numb. and my brother was numb. but the next words were, "you're a success story . to this campaign we're doing, because we've got it." - i must have got that. letter right at the time. if i'd got it a bit later... yes _ well, the doctor said in 18 months' time, i it would have been a differentl conversation, which was scary. jeff is an ex—smoker. he lives in an area with a high rate of smoking, which is why he was targeted for the scan. cathy wants the screening programme to be widened to non—smokers. my husband never smoked, so under the current schemes and what's happening under the current pilot schemes he wouldn't even get looked at. but we've got to start somewhere,

and we've got to start with the high risk people. and as you say, once we get more stories like yours, then we can prove that it works. they were all wearing pairs of roy's shoes. can you see? cathy and fiona have so much in common, not least that they were both with their husbands for 31 years. you know, people say, "oh, only 31 years," but i think i was privileged to have such a lovely person for such a long time. i'm so glad you say that, because i feel that i was blessed to have met him. and yes, i was only with james for 31 years. and yes, that time was cut short. but he's enriched my life and we had a ball. roy: ready? let the drums roll out. and now it seems only fitting if the final word goes to roy castle. # and you can't go wrong with a happy song. # oh, yeah, strike up...

# that band!# that was zoe conway reporting. i don't think you can never see footage of roy castle and not smile. we're joined now by fiona castle, cathy brokenshire, and professor david baldwin, a lung cancer specialist. this is so important. the meeting of you both, what does that feel like? we had so much in common that it was lovely. _ we had so much in common that it was lovely. even _ we had so much in common that it was lovely, even though i am old enough to be _ lovely, even though i am old enough to be her— lovely, even though i am old enough to be her mother. butjust the fact that we _ to be her mother. butjust the fact that we had an experience, and we are both _ that we had an experience, and we are both passionate about raising awareness of lung cancer, and what

we can _ awareness of lung cancer, and what we can do— awareness of lung cancer, and what we can do to — awareness of lung cancer, and what we can do to make a difference. and what are you — we can do to make a difference. .i'x'ur. what are you going to we can do to make a difference. .i'x'ir. what are you going to do to make a difference? we what are you going to do to make a difference?— difference? we are calling for national screening, _ difference? we are calling for national screening, and - difference? we are calling for national screening, and today difference? we are calling for . national screening, and today we difference? we are calling for - national screening, and today we are launching a twitter campaign, #needtoscreen, we are just passionate about getting the national screening. james started the fight for it, unfortunately he is not here, and i am happy to pick up is not here, and i am happy to pick up the mantle. is not here, and i am happy to pick up the mantle-— up the mantle. what was your reaction when _ up the mantle. what was your reaction when you _ up the mantle. what was your reaction when you and - up the mantle. what was your reaction when you and jamesl reaction when you and james discovered that he had lung cancer, and he did not smoke? because it has always been the thought, hasn't it, or generally the perception, that if you smoke, then you are more at risk but if you don't, you have pretty much negated it? taste but if you don't, you have pretty much negated it?— but if you don't, you have pretty much negated it? we 'ust took the newsen... uh much negated it? we 'ust took the news on... it was _ much negated it? we just took the news on... it was quite _ much negated it? we just took the news on... it was quite bizarre, i much negated it? we just took the news on... it was quite bizarre, he was northern ireland secretary, and with that came breeze protection, so we went to the hospital —— police protection, and we came out of the consulting rooms and got in the car,

and we couldn't talk about it because we were in the car with other people. then we had to pick up the children, it was about five or six hours later by the time we were finally alone to have that conversation to sort of talk about it. but instantly, we were told this is a good prognosis, we have courted early, and we were upbeat, you just have to go with it and see what happens. it have to go with it and see what ha ens. :. . have to go with it and see what ha ens, :,, ., have to go with it and see what ha ens. ., . , ., have to go with it and see what ha- ens. :,, :, , :, :, happens. it was a small nodule, wasn't it? _ happens. it was a small nodule, wasn't it? and _ happens. it was a small nodule, wasn't it? and that _ happens. it was a small nodule, wasn't it? and that was - happens. it was a small nodule, i wasn't it? and that was removed? happens. it was a small nodule, - wasn't it? and that was removed? it was, sadly it came back three years later with a new pandemic, and we are where we are.— later with a new pandemic, and we are where we are. professor, do you want to pick — are where we are. professor, do you want to pick up _ are where we are. professor, do you want to pick up on — are where we are. professor, do you want to pick up on the _ are where we are. professor, do you want to pick up on the early - want to pick up on the early diagnosis, and the importance, if it happens, if they get it through the screening? happens, if they get it through the screenin: ? :. , happens, if they get it through the screenine? . , . , screening? early diagnosis in lung cancer is incredibly _ screening? early diagnosis in lung cancer is incredibly important, - cancer is incredibly important, because — cancer is incredibly important, because of— cancer is incredibly important, because of people _ cancer is incredibly important, because of people present- cancer is incredibly important, l because of people present with cancer is incredibly important, - because of people present with lung cancer. _ because of people present with lung cancer. it— because of people present with lung cancer. it is— because of people present with lung cancer, it is often— because of people present with lung cancer, it is often in— because of people present with lung cancer, it is often in a _ because of people present with lung cancer, it is often in a late - because of people present with lung cancer, it is often in a late stage. i cancer, it is often in a late stage. more _ cancer, it is often in a late stage. more than— cancer, it is often in a late stage. more than two _ cancer, it is often in a late stage. more than two thirds _ cancer, it is often in a late stage. more than two thirds of— cancer, it is often in a late stage. more than two thirds of people i more than two thirds of people present— more than two thirds of people present with _ more than two thirds of people present with late _ more than two thirds of people present with late stage - more than two thirds of people present with late stage lung i more than two thirds of people - present with late stage lung cancer, and sadly. _ present with late stage lung cancer, and sadly. when— present with late stage lung cancer, and sadly, when that _ present with late stage lung cancer, and sadly, when that happens, - present with late stage lung cancer, j and sadly, when that happens, we'll only cure _ and sadly, when that happens, we'll only cure very — and sadly, when that happens, we'll only cure very few— and sadly, when that happens, we'll only cure very few people. - and sadly, when that happens, we'll only cure very few people. [5 - and sadly, when that happens, we'll only cure very few people.— only cure very few people. is the reason for _ only cure very few people. is the reason for present _ only cure very few people. is the reason for present a _ only cure very few people. is the

reason for present a late - only cure very few people. is the reason for present a late stage i reason for present a late stage because they are coughing up blood or they have shortness of breath or tightness of chest? it is or they have shortness of breath or tightness of chest?— tightness of chest? it is mainly because the — tightness of chest? it is mainly because the loans _ tightness of chest? it is mainly because the loans do - tightness of chest? it is mainly because the loans do not - tightness of chest? it is mainly because the loans do not feel. tightness of chest? it is mainly - because the loans do not feel pain, so you _ because the loans do not feel pain, so you are — because the loans do not feel pain, so you are not _ because the loans do not feel pain, so you are not aware _ because the loans do not feel pain, so you are not aware when - because the loans do not feel pain, so you are not aware when you - because the loans do not feel pain, i so you are not aware when you have something _ so you are not aware when you have something wrong _ so you are not aware when you have something wrong with _ so you are not aware when you have something wrong with your- so you are not aware when you have something wrong with your lungs i so you are not aware when you have . something wrong with your lungs from that perspective — something wrong with your lungs from that perspective. symptoms— something wrong with your lungs from that perspective. symptoms tend - something wrong with your lungs from that perspective. symptoms tend to l that perspective. symptoms tend to occur _ that perspective. symptoms tend to occur when — that perspective. symptoms tend to occur when the _ that perspective. symptoms tend to occur when the cancer _ that perspective. symptoms tend to occur when the cancer has - that perspective. symptoms tend to occur when the cancer has already. occur when the cancer has already progressed — occur when the cancer has already progressed to _ occur when the cancer has already progressed to a _ occur when the cancer has already progressed to a relatively - progressed to a relatively late stage — progressed to a relatively late stage and _ progressed to a relatively late stage and we _ progressed to a relatively late stage. and we discover- progressed to a relatively late stage. and we discover lung i progressed to a relatively late - stage. and we discover lung cancer early— stage. and we discover lung cancer early sometimes _ stage. and we discover lung cancer early sometimes when _ stage. and we discover lung cancer early sometimes when the - stage. and we discover lung cancer. early sometimes when the symptoms are due _ early sometimes when the symptoms are due to— early sometimes when the symptoms are due to something _ early sometimes when the symptoms are due to something else, _ early sometimes when the symptoms are due to something else, so- early sometimes when the symptoms are due to something else, so they. are due to something else, so they .et are due to something else, so they get a _ are due to something else, so they get a cough — are due to something else, so they get a cough or— are due to something else, so they get a cough or something - are due to something else, so they get a cough or something like - are due to something else, so theyj get a cough or something like that, or breathlessness_ get a cough or something like that, or breathlessness for— get a cough or something like that, or breathlessness for some - get a cough or something like that, or breathlessness for some other. or breathlessness for some other reason. _ or breathlessness for some other reason. and _ or breathlessness for some other reason. and we _ or breathlessness for some other reason, and we do _ or breathlessness for some other reason, and we do a _ or breathlessness for some other reason, and we do a scan - or breathlessness for some other reason, and we do a scan and - or breathlessness for some otheri reason, and we do a scan and find early-stage — reason, and we do a scan and find early-stage lung _ reason, and we do a scan and find early—stage lung cancer, - reason, and we do a scan and find early—stage lung cancer, that - early—stage lung cancer, that is sort _ early—stage lung cancer, that is sort of— early—stage lung cancer, that is sort of incidental— early—stage lung cancer, that is sort of incidental detection. - early—stage lung cancer, that isj sort of incidental detection. but early—stage lung cancer, that is . sort of incidental detection. but if you scream — sort of incidental detection. but if you scream people _ sort of incidental detection. but if you scream people who _ sort of incidental detection. but if you scream people who are - sort of incidental detection. but if you scream people who are at - sort of incidental detection. but if| you scream people who are at risk sort of incidental detection. but if. you scream people who are at risk of lun- you scream people who are at risk of lung cancer. — you scream people who are at risk of lung cancer. of— you scream people who are at risk of lung cancer, of course, _ you scream people who are at risk of lung cancer, of course, you - you scream people who are at risk of lung cancer, of course, you detect. lung cancer, of course, you detect it early. _ lung cancer, of course, you detect it early. and — lung cancer, of course, you detect it early. and we _ lung cancer, of course, you detect it early, and we know _ lung cancer, of course, you detect it early, and we know that - lung cancer, of course, you detect it early, and we know that from i lung cancer, of course, you detectl it early, and we know that from the science _ it early, and we know that from the science commercials _ it early, and we know that from the science commercials is— it early, and we know that from the science commercials is that - science commercials is that you detect— science commercials is that you detect lots _ science commercials is that you detect lots of— science commercials is that you detect lots of lung _ science commercials is that you detect lots of lung cancer - science commercials is that youj detect lots of lung cancer early. take _ detect lots of lung cancer early. take us — detect lots of lung cancer early. take us to — detect lots of lung cancer early. take us to some _ detect lots of lung cancer early. take us to some practicalities. i take us to some practicalities. everything in medicine is about cost, so a screening programme, what actually happens? how are you scream, and is it expensive? it is a ct scan for— scream, and is it expensive? it is a ct scan for people _ scream, and is it expensive? it is a ct scan for people at _ scream, and is it expensive? it is a ct scan for people at risk— scream, and is it expensive? it is a ct scan for people at risk of- ct scan for people at risk of lung cancer. — ct scan for people at risk of lung cancer. it— ct scan for people at risk of lung cancer. it is— ct scan for people at risk of lung cancer, it is completely- ct scan for people at risk of lung cancer, it is completely painless| cancer, it is completely painless and a _ cancer, it is completely painless and a very— cancer, it is completely painless and a very rapid _ cancer, it is completely painless and a very rapid scan _ cancer, it is completely painless and a very rapid scan that- cancer, it is completely painless i and a very rapid scan that happens. it is a _

and a very rapid scan that happens. it is a sort — and a very rapid scan that happens. it is a sort of— and a very rapid scan that happens. it is a sort of parliament _ and a very rapid scan that happens. it is a sort of parliament —type - it is a sort of parliament —type scan. — it is a sort of parliament —type scan. very— it is a sort of parliament —type scan, very quick, _ it is a sort of parliament —type scan, very quick, 40 _ it is a sort of parliament —type scan, very quick, 40 seconds. it is a sort of parliament —type - scan, very quick, 40 seconds later you have _ scan, very quick, 40 seconds later you have had _ scan, very quick, 40 seconds later you have had your— scan, very quick, 40 seconds later you have had your scan. _ scan, very quick, 40 seconds later you have had your scan. did- scan, very quick, 40 seconds later you have had your scan.— scan, very quick, 40 seconds later you have had your scan. did you say it is a polo — you have had your scan. did you say it is a polo mint _ you have had your scan. did you say it is a polo mint type _ you have had your scan. did you say it is a polo mint type scan? - it is a polo mint type scan? yes, ou no it is a polo mint type scan? yes, you go through _ it is a polo mint type scan? yes, you go through the _ it is a polo mint type scan? yes, you go through the thing, - it is a polo mint type scan? yes, you go through the thing, it - it is a polo mint type scan? yes, you go through the thing, it is i it is a polo mint type scan? yes, you go through the thing, it is like a big _ you go through the thing, it is like a big polo— you go through the thing, it is like a big polo mint~ _ you go through the thing, it is like a big polo mint. for— you go through the thing, it is like a big polo mint. for lung - you go through the thing, it is like a big polo mint. for lung cancer. you go through the thing, it is like i a big polo mint. for lung cancer has been _ a big polo mint. for lung cancer has been very— a big polo mint. for lung cancer has been very tough. _ a big polo mint. for lung cancer has been very tough, the _ a big polo mint. for lung cancer has been very tough, the major- a big polo mint. for lung cancer has i been very tough, the major argument has been _ been very tough, the major argument has been cost — been very tough, the major argument has been cost effectiveness, - been very tough, the major argument has been cost effectiveness, but - been very tough, the major argument has been cost effectiveness, but the. has been cost effectiveness, but the si-ns has been cost effectiveness, but the signs show— has been cost effectiveness, but the signs show that _ has been cost effectiveness, but the signs show that it _ has been cost effectiveness, but the signs show that it is— signs show that it is cost—effective, - signs show that it is cost—effective, we i signs show that it is- cost—effective, we have a signs show that it is— cost—effective, we have a pilot programme _ cost—effective, we have a pilot programme in— cost—effective, we have a pilot programme in england - cost—effective, we have a pilot programme in england at- cost—effective, we have a pilot programme in england at the i cost—effective, we have a pilot - programme in england at the moment, which _ programme in england at the moment, which james _ programme in england at the moment, which james actually— programme in england at the moment, which james actually was _ programme in england at the moment, which james actually was very- which james actually was very helpful— which james actually was very helpful in— which james actually was very helpful in getting _ which james actually was very helpful in getting that - which james actually was veryl helpful in getting that forward. despite — helpful in getting that forward. despite the _ helpful in getting that forward. despite the pandemic, - helpful in getting that forward. despite the pandemic, we - helpful in getting that forward. | despite the pandemic, we have already— despite the pandemic, we have already detected _ despite the pandemic, we have already detected 900 - despite the pandemic, we have already detected 900 lung - despite the pandemic, we have - already detected 900 lung cancers, 77% of— already detected 900 lung cancers, 77% of them — already detected 900 lung cancers, 77% of them early—stage. _ already detected 900 lung cancers, 77% of them early—stage. if- already detected 900 lung cancers, 77% of them early—stage. if they i 77% of them early—stage. if they have _ 77% of them early—stage. if they have not— 77% of them early—stage. if they have not been— 77% of them early—stage. if they have not been screened, - 77% of them early—stage. if they have not been screened, it - 77% of them early—stage. if theyi have not been screened, it would have _ have not been screened, it would have been— have not been screened, it would have been 24% _ have not been screened, it would have been 24% early—stage. - have not been screened, it would have been 24% early—stage. with have not been screened, it would i have been 24% early—stage. with a full roll-out. — have been 24% early—stage. with a full roll—out, we _ have been 24% early—stage. with a full roll—out, we will _ have been 24% early—stage. with a full roll—out, we will be _ have been 24% early—stage. with a full roll—out, we will be detecting i full roll—out, we will be detecting 6500 _ full roll—out, we will be detecting 6500 lung — full roll—out, we will be detecting 6500 lung cancer— full roll—out, we will be detecting 6500 lung cancer is _ full roll—out, we will be detecting 6500 lung cancer is an— full roll—out, we will be detecting 6500 lung cancer is an early- full roll—out, we will be detecting l 6500 lung cancer is an early stage of that— 6500 lung cancer is an early stage of that happens _

6500 lung cancer is an early stage of that happens l— 6500 lung cancer is an early stage of that happens.— 6500 lung cancer is an early stage of that happens. i am trying to work out, of that happens. i am trying to work out. fiona. — of that happens. i am trying to work out. fiona. you _ of that happens. i am trying to work out, fiona, you can _ of that happens. i am trying to work out, fiona, you can pick— of that happens. i am trying to work out, fiona, you can pick up- of that happens. i am trying to work out, fiona, you can pick up on - out, fiona, you can pick up on this in a moment, judging by what you're saying, the evidence is that this will work, you will detect more, so why not, if the argument is not it is too expensive, why not do it? in the uk, we do have a uk national screening — the uk, we do have a uk national screening committee, _ the uk, we do have a uk national screening committee, they- the uk, we do have a uk national screening committee, they havel the uk, we do have a uk national- screening committee, they have very tough _ screening committee, they have very tough standards _ screening committee, they have very tough standards for— screening committee, they have very tough standards for sanctioning - tough standards for sanctioning screening. _ tough standards for sanctioning screening, because _ tough standards for sanctioning screening, because it— tough standards for sanctioning screening, because it is- tough standards for sanctioning screening, because it is very. screening, because it is very costly — screening, because it is very costly and _ screening, because it is very costly. and of— screening, because it is very costly. and of course - screening, because it is very costly. and of course a - screening, because it is very costly. and of course a lot . screening, because it is very| costly. and of course a lot of people — costly. and of course a lot of people that _ costly. and of course a lot of people that you _ costly. and of course a lot of people that you scream - costly. and of course a lot of people that you scream do . costly. and of course a lot of i people that you scream do not costly. and of course a lot of - people that you scream do not have cancer. _ people that you scream do not have cancer. that— people that you scream do not have cancer. that is— people that you scream do not have cancer, that is the _ people that you scream do not have cancer, that is the whole _ people that you scream do not have cancer, that is the whole nature - people that you scream do not have cancer, that is the whole nature of. cancer, that is the whole nature of a screening — cancer, that is the whole nature of a screening programme, _ cancer, that is the whole nature of a screening programme, you - cancer, that is the whole nature of a screening programme, you have| cancer, that is the whole nature of. a screening programme, you have to make _ a screening programme, you have to make sure _ a screening programme, you have to make sure you — a screening programme, you have to make sure you do— a screening programme, you have to make sure you do not— a screening programme, you have to make sure you do not harm - a screening programme, you have to i make sure you do not harm programme who do— make sure you do not harm programme who do not— make sure you do not harm programme who do not have — make sure you do not harm programme who do not have cancer— make sure you do not harm programme who do not have cancer at _ make sure you do not harm programme who do not have cancer at all, - make sure you do not harm programme who do not have cancer at all, so - who do not have cancer at all, so the cost — who do not have cancer at all, so the cost is — who do not have cancer at all, so the cost is about _ who do not have cancer at all, so the cost is about benefit- who do not have cancer at all, so the cost is about benefit versus i the cost is about benefit versus harm~ — the cost is about benefit versus harm~ i— the cost is about benefit versus harm~ ithink— the cost is about benefit versus harm. i think it _ the cost is about benefit versus harm. i think it is _ the cost is about benefit versus harm. i think it is very- the cost is about benefit versus harm. i think it is very clearly. the cost is about benefit versus| harm. i think it is very clearly in favour— harm. i think it is very clearly in favour of— harm. i think it is very clearly in favour of benefit, _ harm. i think it is very clearly in favour of benefit, it _ harm. i think it is very clearly in favour of benefit, it is _ favour of benefit, it is cost—effective, - favour of benefit, it is cost—effective, and i favour of benefit, it isi cost—effective, and we favour of benefit, it is - cost—effective, and we are favour of benefit, it is _ cost—effective, and we are hoping to .et cost—effective, and we are hoping to get a _ cost—effective, and we are hoping to get a recommendation _ cost—effective, and we are hoping to get a recommendation soon - cost—effective, and we are hoping to get a recommendation soon from i cost—effective, and we are hoping to| get a recommendation soon from the uk national— get a recommendation soon from the uk national screening _ get a recommendation soon from the uk national screening committee - get a recommendation soon from the uk national screening committee to| uk national screening committee to id uk national screening committee to go ahead _ uk national screening committee to go ahead with — uk national screening committee to go ahead with a _ uk national screening committee to go ahead with a full _ uk national screening committee to go ahead with a full national - go ahead with a full national programme _ go ahead with a full national programme ls— go ahead with a full national programme-— go ahead with a full national ”roramme. , :, , , , programme. is the only pushback cost? generally _ programme. is the only pushback cost? generally in _ programme. is the only pushback cost? generally in the _ programme. is the only pushback cost? generally in the nhs, - programme. is the only pushback cost? generally in the nhs, we . programme. is the only pushback i cost? generally in the nhs, we are cost? generally in the nhs, we are cost limited. _ cost? generally in the nhs, we are cost limited, we _ cost? generally in the nhs, we are cost limited, we think— cost? generally in the nhs, we are cost limited, we think we _ cost? generally in the nhs, we are cost limited, we think we have - cost? generally in the nhs, we are cost limited, we think we have to i cost limited, we think we have to spend _ cost limited, we think we have to spend a _ cost limited, we think we have to spend a lot — cost limited, we think we have to spend a lot of— cost limited, we think we have to spend a lot of money _ cost limited, we think we have to spend a lot of money on - cost limited, we think we have to spend a lot of money on this, - cost limited, we think we have to spend a lot of money on this, we| spend a lot of money on this, we have _ spend a lot of money on this, we have to _ spend a lot of money on this, we have to take _ spend a lot of money on this, we have to take money— spend a lot of money on this, we have to take money from - have to take money from something else _ have to take money from something else but _ have to take money from something else but i _ have to take money from something else. but i think— have to take money from something else. but i think for— have to take money from something else. but i think for screening -

have to take money from something else. but i think for screening for. else. but i think for screening for lun- else. but i think for screening for lung cancer. _ else. but i think for screening for lung cancer, the _ else. but i think for screening for lung cancer, the case _ else. but i think for screening for lung cancer, the case is- else. but i think for screening for lung cancer, the case is now- else. but i think for screening for. lung cancer, the case is now proven, personally~ _ lung cancer, the case is now proven, personally-— personally. fiona, tell us about our personally. fiona, tell us about your experience. _ personally. fiona, tell us about your experience. you _ personally. fiona, tell us about your experience. you said - personally. fiona, tell us about your experience. you said a - personally. fiona, tell us about - your experience. you said a moment ago that the state, today, the launch is a significant one invoicing to what roy was doing, how many years ago? it is invoicing to what roy was doing, how many years ago?— many years ago? it is nearly 28 ears. many years ago? it is nearly 28 years- what — many years ago? it is nearly 28 years. what was _ many years ago? it is nearly 28 years. what was he _ many years ago? it is nearly 28 years. what was he doing - many years ago? it is nearly 28 years. what was he doing 28 i many years ago? it is nearly 28 i years. what was he doing 28 years aeo? just years. what was he doing 28 years ago? just before _ years. what was he doing 28 years ago? just before he _ years. what was he doing 28 years ago? just before he died, - years. what was he doing 28 years ago? just before he died, he - years. what was he doing 28 years ago? just before he died, he went| years. what was he doing 28 years i ago? just before he died, he went on ago? just before he died, he went on a tour around — ago? just before he died, he went on a tour around the _ ago? just before he died, he went on a tour around the country _ ago? just before he died, he went on a tour around the country to - ago? just before he died, he went on a tour around the country to raise - a tour around the country to raise awareness — a tour around the country to raise awareness of lung cancer and the dangers— awareness of lung cancer and the dangers of— awareness of lung cancer and the dangers of smoking. he went on a train _ dangers of smoking. he went on a train around — dangers of smoking. he went on a train around the country.— dangers of smoking. he went on a train around the country. there will be --eole train around the country. there will be people watching _ train around the country. there will be people watching us, _ train around the country. there will be people watching us, we - train around the country. there will be people watching us, we all - train around the country. there will| be people watching us, we all move who roy was and what he did and what he represented —— we all know who roy was. he was so well known at the time, such a popularfigure, that when he started talking openly, and maybe he was one of the first who sort of did that, it made a real difference, doesn't it? the conversation around cancer started to change. conversation around cancer started to chance. . conversation around cancer started to chance. , , , conversation around cancer started to chane. , , , , conversation around cancer started tochanee. , , , , ~ to change. yes, because nobody knew that lune to change. yes, because nobody knew that lung cancer _ to change. yes, because nobody knew that lung cancer was _ to change. yes, because nobody knew that lung cancer was to _ to change. yes, because nobody knew that lung cancer was to do _ to change. yes, because nobody knew that lung cancer was to do with - that lung cancer was to do with smoking — that lung cancer was to do with smoking in those days. well, they

knew— smoking in those days. well, they knew it _ smoking in those days. well, they knew it was — smoking in those days. well, they knew it was smoking, but somebody who didn't _ knew it was smoking, but somebody who didn't smoke, passive smoking, and there _ who didn't smoke, passive smoking, and there was only research being done, _ and there was only research being done, apparently, in america at that particular— done, apparently, in america at that particular time, done, apparently, in america at that particulartime, so done, apparently, in america at that particular time, so they did not believe — particular time, so they did not believe that roy did not smoke. did ou believe that roy did not smoke. did you and believe that roy did not smoke. you and roy believe that roy did not smoke. d c you and roy talk about being public about his illness?— about his illness? well, he 'ust felt that about his illness? well, he 'ust fett that rffi about his illness? well, he 'ust felt that if there i about his illness? well, he 'ust felt that if there was i about his illness? well, he 'ust felt that if there was a i about his illness? well, he 'ust felt that if there was a way i about his illness? well, hejust felt that if there was a way of i felt that if there was a way of helping — felt that if there was a way of helping other people and raising awareness that he had no right to stay silent. — awareness that he had no right to stay silent, so that was what got him going — stay silent, so that was what got him going-— stay silent, so that was what got himttoin. , him going. exactly the same with james. him going. exactly the same with james- you _ him going. exactly the same with james. you have _ him going. exactly the same with james. you have the _ him going. exactly the same with james. you have the same - james. you have the same conversation? _ james. you have the same conversation? his - james. you have the same conversation? his whole i james. you have the same i conversation? his whole life james. you have the same - conversation? his whole life is about helping _ conversation? his whole life is about helping people, - conversation? his whole life is about helping people, that - conversation? his whole life is about helping people, that is i conversation? his whole life is i about helping people, that is why conversation? his whole life is - about helping people, that is why he went into politics, and the minute he got diagnosed, he made contact with the roy castle lung cancer foundation and asked how he could help. and as you said, david, he did. �* , help. and as you said, david, he did. �*, . help. and as you said, david, he did. 2 . : , :, help. and as you said, david, he did. 2 . : :, help. and as you said, david, he did. . did. there's a decision to be made, thouth, did. there's a decision to be made, though. is — did. there's a decision to be made, though. is in _ did. there's a decision to be made, though, is in there, _ did. there's a decision to be made, though, is in there, about - did. there's a decision to be made, j though, is in there, about exposing yourself when you so ill? he is with family, your children, your family

is family, your children, yourfamily is struggling... but family, your children, your family is struggling- - -— is struggling... but they were already in _ is struggling... but they were already in the _ is struggling. .. but they were already in the public- is struggling... but they were already in the public eye, - is struggling... but they were | already in the public eye, both is struggling... but they were - already in the public eye, both our hopkins... but already in the public eye, both our hopkins- - -— already in the public eye, both our hopkins- - -_ hopkins... but the family wasn't, and ou hopkins... but the family wasn't, and you want? — hopkins... but the family wasn't, and you want? no. _ hopkins... but the family wasn't, and you want? no. -- _ hopkins... but the family wasn't, and you want? no. -- both - hopkins... but the family wasn't, and you want? no. -- both our. and you want? no. -- both our husbands- _ and you want? no. -- both our husbands. but _ and you want? no. -- both our husbands. but i _ and you want? no. -- both our husbands. but i am _ and you want? no. -- both our husbands. but i am more - and you want? no. -- both our husbands. but i am more than| and you want? no. -- both our- husbands. but i am more than happy to pick up where he left off. you robabl to pick up where he left off. you probably know _ to pick up where he left off. you probably know a _ to pick up where he left off. you probably know a little bit about how politics works, cathy, how hard it can be to get things done, i imagine you do. you have got some hurdles to get over here, notwithstanding what the professor said about how good this would be.— this would be. maybe i am in a bit of a unique _ this would be. maybe i am in a bit of a unique place _ this would be. maybe i am in a bit of a unique place to _ this would be. maybe i am in a bit of a unique place to try _ this would be. maybe i am in a bit of a unique place to try to - of a unique place to try to help jump of a unique place to try to help jump some of those hurdles. time will tell. ~ . jump some of those hurdles. time will tell. . . :, , jump some of those hurdles. time willtell. . . :, , . jump some of those hurdles. time willtell. . :, , . . jump some of those hurdles. time | will tell-— we will tell. what does that mean? we have to get — will tell. what does that mean? we have to get this _ will tell. what does that mean? we have to get this national— will tell. what does that mean? we have to get this national screening | have to get this national screening in place first, and if historian has gone through opens more doors to get through those hurdles quicker than what it may be... fire

through those hurdles quicker than what it may be. . .— what it may be... are you sensing now that there's _ what it may be... are you sensing now that there's nothing - what it may be... are you sensing now that there's nothing wrong i what it may be... are you sensing i now that there's nothing wrong with that? s, , s, s that? the roy castle lung cancer foundation _ that? the roy castle lung cancer foundation charity, _ that? the roy castle lung cancer foundation charity, it _ that? the roy castle lung cancer foundation charity, it has - that? the roy castle lung cancer foundation charity, it has happily been on this platform and helping me to keep going. that been on this platform and helping me to keep going-— to keep going. that must mean the world to you. _ to keep going. that must mean the world to you, fiona. _ to keep going. that must mean the world to you, fiona. yes, _ to keep going. that must mean the world to you, fiona. yes, it - to keep going. that must mean the world to you, fiona. yes, it is - world to you, fiona. yes, it is lovel , world to you, fiona. yes, it is lovely. the — world to you, fiona. yes, it is lovely, the two _ world to you, fiona. yes, it is lovely, the two of _ world to you, fiona. yes, it is lovely, the two of us. - world to you, fiona. yes, it is lovely, the two of us. we - world to you, fiona. yes, it isj lovely, the two of us. we met world to you, fiona. yes, it is i lovely, the two of us. we met a month ago _ lovely, the two of us. we met a month ago and _ lovely, the two of us. we met a month ago and it _ lovely, the two of us. we met a month ago and it is _ lovely, the two of us. we met a month ago and it is like - lovely, the two of us. we met a month ago and it is like we - month ago and it is like we have known each other for years. we never stop talking. — known each other for years. we never stop talking, because _ known each other for years. we never stop talking, because we _ known each other for years. we never stop talking, because we are - known each other for years. we never stop talking, because we are both - stop talking, because we are both passionate about what can be done, and i_ passionate about what can be done, and i think— passionate about what can be done, and i think if roy had had a screening, they would have found it much _ screening, they would have found it much earlier, but it was only throughm _ much earlier, but it was only through... he had a very serious infection— through... he had a very serious infection that nearly killed him, that is— infection that nearly killed him, that is why they started to look into what — that is why they started to look into what was actually happening. but that _ into what was actually happening. but that was nothing to do with it. do you _ but that was nothing to do with it. do you ever— but that was nothing to do with it. do you ever stop being surprised at the affection there is in this country for roy castle? i the affection there is in this country for roy castle? i am amazed that people — country for roy castle? i am amazed that people remember _ country for roy castle? i am amazed that people remember him, - country for roy castle? i am amazed that people remember him, the - country for roy castle? i am amazed that people remember him, the fact| that people remember him, the fact you are _ that people remember him, the fact you are saying you remember him

always— you are saying you remember him always surprises me. he you are saying you remember him always surprises me.— always surprises me. he was a trumpeter. — always surprises me. he was a trumpeter, and _ always surprises me. he was a trumpeter, and i _ always surprises me. he was a trumpeter, and i was - always surprises me. he was a trumpeter, and i was a - always surprises me. he was a - trumpeter, and i was a trumpeter, and he was a brilliant entertainer. he was just part of our lives. i get he was 'ust part of our lives. i get a ve he wasjust part of our lives. i get a very warm _ he wasjust part of our lives. i get a very warm feeling _ he wasjust part of our lives. i get a very warm feeling every - he wasjust part of our lives. i get a very warm feeling every time i watch _ a very warm feeling every time i watch roy. _ a very warm feeling every time i watch roy. 28— a very warm feeling every time i watch roy-— watch roy. 28 years on, a lot of --eole, watch roy. 28 years on, a lot of people. anybody _ watch roy. 28 years on, a lot of people, anybody under- watch roy. 28 years on, a lot of people, anybody under 35 - watch roy. 28 years on, a lot of| people, anybody under 35 would watch roy. 28 years on, a lot of - people, anybody under 35 would not have a _ people, anybody under 35 would not have a clue — people, anybody under 35 would not have a clue who he was. well, people, anybody under 35 would not have a clue who he was.— have a clue who he was. well, we have a clue who he was. well, we have shown _ have a clue who he was. well, we have shown video, _ have a clue who he was. well, we have shown video, we _ have a clue who he was. well, we have shown video, we have - have shown video, we have spoken about james have shown video, we have spoken aboutjames and roy, and their legacy that they have left. trust me, people will be going back and looking now, because we have raved about him for a good reason. fin looking now, because we have raved about him for a good reason. on cue. thank ou about him for a good reason. on cue. thank you both _ about him for a good reason. on cue. thank you both very _ about him for a good reason. on cue. thank you both very much, _ about him for a good reason. on cue. thank you both very much, and - about him for a good reason. on cue. thank you both very much, and thank you, professor. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london, i'm victoria hollins. the mayor will today thank some of the firefighters who helped tackle the blazes seen across the capital over the last couple of days. more than 40 homes were destoyed in the fires, during which many families lost everything. the london fire brigade said it responded to more than a thousand incidents at the height

of the fires. meanwhile donations of clothes and other items are continuing to be made to help those in need. local volunteers say they're being overwhelmed with a range of clothes and the council has urged people to donate money instead. meanwhile the challenge is to get everything sorted and out to those that need it. they're coming in roughly every sort of 20 minutes, half hour, sometimes two or three at a time. i'd say we've had at least 50 people drop off stuff at least today, and they're all coming in with at least three orfour bags, plus. so the community are making a great response. very good response, yeah, yeah, very good. great response. really helpful. i'm really appreciative for everything the community's done. tfl have said a cycle lane built on one of london's busiest roads during the pandemic will be removed. it said the lane on euston road wasn't working, is delaying buses, and not enough cyclists are using it. it also said there had been more congestion since the lane was built, making bus journeys slower.

it's been ten years since the london olympic games transformed a former industrial site in east london. one of the main aims of the games was to be the greenest ever. a decade on, we've been back to look at the legacy the olympics have left. ten years later, we've not only got a brilliant, brilliant park, but now i think what east london has got is an enviable resource. and you can see more on this story tonight at 6.30 as part of our olympic legacy series. a look at the travel situation. now the weather with elizabeth rizzini. hello, good morning. feeling a little cooler again today from where we were yesterday, so another drop in temperature. we're now seeing temperatures round about the average for this time of year, but there will be a lot of cloud with it. now, certainly, it was a fresher—feeling night last night — we're starting off the morning between 14 and 16 degrees celsius,

17 in central london. plenty of cloud throughout the course of the day. some of that cloud could produce one or two light showers here and there, but most places will stay dry with the best chance of any brightness out towards western home counties. a very light northerly wind, and temperatures peaking between 23, maybe as high as 25 degrees celsius. now through this evening and overnight, then, it should stay dry. there will be some clearer spells, but we are set to keep those layers of cloud, too, as we head into friday morning. on friday, a little feature moving eastwards could bring us the chance of a few showers for the garden, but they won't be everywhere. some sunshine again emerging through the afternoon and then, as we head through the weekend, it's dry with more sunshine in the forecast. temperatures start to rise once more — maybe 30 degrees by sunday, but without that oppressive heat that we saw earlier on in the week. i'm back with the latest from the bbc london newsroom in half an hour. plenty more on our website at the usual address. now it's back to naga and charlie. bye for now.

good morning, welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. morning live follows breakfast on bbc one this morning. sam and gethin can tell us what they have in store. good morning to you both. good mornint good morning to you both. good morning to _ good morning to you both. good morning to you. _ coming up on morning live... in the last year, over 20,000 drivers have fallen for ghost broking — it's when scammers offer cheap online car insurance that won't actually protect you. we'll tell you the warning signs to look for, so you don't buy a false policy. plus, trading second—hand items online has soared. i but thieves are cashing in on the trend. - after a member of our team l was robbed in their own home after selling a used fridge to a stranger, rav's - | here to explain how to stay safe | when using online marketplaces. also today, it's been almost a year since girls aloud singer sarah harding died of breast cancer. kimberley and her band—mate nicola roberts are here to tell us about the challenge they're taking on in her memory. and it's misunderstood i and often misdiagnosed — we're joined by a leading psychiatrist as well as i former corrie star — -

actor ian puleston—davies — who lives with obsessive compulsive disorder. - they'll debunk some of the myths around the condition, _ and discuss the strategies that can help people cope. _ plus, we're off to the valleys, to meet the tuckers. not to see my family! writer and star of the welsh sitcom coming to bbc2 steve speirs introduces us to the hard—up family that doesn't always manage to stay on the right side of the law. i'm not sure rav will be happy. laughter see you at 9:15. thanks very much. if you've noticed empty fridges in your local supermarket in the past few days, you're probably not alone. it's all down to the heat, and there's calls for more to be done to stop food being wasted when fridges fail. it is the same for everyone, struggling with conditions and

refrigeration sometimes doesn't work. it refrigeration sometimes doesn't work. . refrigeration sometimes doesn't work. , :, , . work. it turns out fridges are struggling- _ work. it turns out fridges are struggling- we _ work. it turns out fridges are struggling. we will _ work. it turns out fridges are struggling. we will come - work. it turns out fridges are struggling. we will come to i work. it turns out fridges are i struggling. we will come to why work. it turns out fridges are - struggling. we will come to why in just a second. yes, the heatwave brought disruption to many of us — but some of the supermarkets really struggled to keep their cool. welcome to our virtual supermarket — where everything is just fine now the temperatures have dropped. but look at these pictures from the last couple of days. this is what some tesco stores were like — totally empty shelves, with signs saying the fridges are out of order. it wasn't just tesco — this is a sainsbury�*s in london, which looks very similar. and here are aldi stores in northampton and hexham — where they stopped selling chilled food because of the heat. supermarkets told us the "exceptional temperatures" caused issues with fridges and freezers in—store. so what happened to all that cold and fresh food that suddenly couldn't be sold? a lot of it ended up going to waste. the law says shops can't redistribute food once a freezer or chiller has failed, which supermarkets say is important to protect customer health. one estimate suggests 250,000 tonnes of food is thrown away

by supermarkets every year. and at a time when six million adults in the uk are facing food poverty, campaigners want more to be done. we'd like to see it as a legal requirement for all big food companies to report the amount of food they're wasting, and particularly what happens to that waste. we think that should be a mandatory requirement, and if companies are starting to report that transparently, it will in and of itself drive improvements and also help the government to identify the sorts of policy measures that could be put in place to tackle it. so should the industry be doing more? supermarkets do give away hundreds of thousands of tonnes of food to charities every year. they're working to meet tough food—waste—reduction targets. but obviously, that can't be at the cost of safety and food—hygiene regulations. i would say that where a product

has been compromised, where a product is supposed to be chilled and hasn't been adequately chilled, then that temperature—control issue is a potential food—safety issue. environmental health told us that retailers have a duty of care to consumers — which also extends to when food is given away. and worth saying sainsbury�*s did come back to us to say that where their food is no longer safe for human consumption, it goes off to be animal feed or green energy. the government told us the uk is a global leader in tackling food waste and it is providing more cash to make sure surplus fresh produce doesn't get thrown out. a5 for the empty shelves, supermarkets say they're working to get stock back in the fridges as quickly as possible. we have had quite a few messages about this this morning. mark works in a supermarket and says it is frustrating having to throw things away. he asks to make sure that if we take something out of the fridge

or freezer, we take something out of the fridge orfreezer, make sure we take something out of the fridge or freezer, make sure we put it back if we don't want to buy it because that can also lead to food being wasted. alison has seen fridges being emptied in warwickshire, he was shocked and said she couldn't understand how it is allowed when so many families are going hungry. graham asks that very good question we had at the beginning, about why do fridges fail in the heat? my understanding of this is really quite limited. they themselves, the fridges, get too hot trying to do all of the cooling down, but that is really probably a question for an electrician. it really probably a question for an electrician-— really probably a question for an electrician. :, , �* .~ , , electrician. it doesn't make sense! the are electrician. it doesn't make sense! they are hot _ electrician. it doesn't make sense! they are hot anyway, _ electrician. it doesn't make sense! they are hot anyway, the - electrician. it doesn't make sense! they are hot anyway, the back- electrician. it doesn't make sense! they are hot anyway, the back of. electrician. it doesn't make sense! i they are hot anyway, the back of the fridge is hot but they are designed like that. i fridge is hot but they are designed like that. .. . fridge is hot but they are designed like that. ~ , . like that. i think it is air circulation. _ like that. i think it is air circulation. the - like that. i think it is air circulation. the front i like that. i think it is air circulation. the front ofj like that. i think it is air- circulation. the front of the like that. i think it is air— circulation. the front of the fridge is also open in a supermarket often. that annoys me, that is a whole other thing, when people leave fridge door open. irate other thing, when people leave fridge door open.— other thing, when people leave fridte dooroen. . . . _, fridge door open. we had a comment about that, fridge door open. we had a comment about that. why _ fridge door open. we had a comment about that, why are _ fridge door open. we had a comment about that, why are the _ fridge door open. we had a comment about that, why are the fridge - fridge door open. we had a comment about that, why are the fridge doorsl about that, why are the fridge doors opening supermarkets? so people can

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. . , do you have any expertise in fridges at? , , , . . do you have any expertise in fridges at? ,, ,, at? this is my area of expertise... no, it at? this is my area of expertise... no. it isn't! _ at? this is my area of expertise... no. it isn't! just — at? this is my area of expertise... no, it isn't! just as _ at? this is my area of expertise... no, it isn't! just as a _ at? this is my area of expertise... no, it isn't! just as a segue - at? this is my area of expertise... no, it isn't! just as a segue into i no, it isn't! just as a segue into the sport. — no, it isn't! just as a segue into the sport, brighton— no, it isn't! just as a segue into the sport, brighton had - no, it isn't! just as a segue into the sport, brighton had four- the sport, brighton had four industrial— the sport, brighton had four industrial —sized _ the sport, brighton had four industrial —sized fans - the sport, brighton had four| industrial —sized fans around the sport, brighton had four- industrial —sized fans around the yesterday— industrial —sized fans around the yesterday ahead _ industrial —sized fans around the yesterday ahead of— industrial —sized fans around the yesterday ahead of the - industrial —sized fans around the yesterday ahead of the england i industrial —sized fans around the - yesterday ahead of the england match against _ yesterday ahead of the england match against spain. — yesterday ahead of the england match against spain. apparently— yesterday ahead of the england match against spain. apparently mould - yesterday ahead of the england match against spain. apparently mould and i against spain. apparently mould and bacteria _ against spain. apparently mould and bacteria can — against spain. apparently mould and bacteria can grow— against spain. apparently mould and bacteria can grow on _ against spain. apparently mould and bacteria can grow on a _ against spain. apparently mould and bacteria can grow on a pitch - bacteria can grow on a pitch especially— bacteria can grow on a pitch especially in _ bacteria can grow on a pitch especially in a _ bacteria can grow on a pitch especially in a heatwave - bacteria can grow on a pitch| especially in a heatwave and bacteria can grow on a pitch . especially in a heatwave and so there _ especially in a heatwave and so there were _ especially in a heatwave and so there were four— especially in a heatwave and so there were four fans _ especially in a heatwave and so there were four fans overnightl especially in a heatwave and so i there were four fans overnight to try to _ there were four fans overnight to try to get — there were four fans overnight to try to get that _ there were four fans overnight to try to get that out _ there were four fans overnight to try to get that out of— there were four fans overnight to try to get that out of the - there were four fans overnight to| try to get that out of the stadium. hannah— try to get that out of the stadium. hannah has— try to get that out of the stadium. hannah has actually— try to get that out of the stadium. hannah has actually walked - try to get that out of the stadium.

hannah has actually walked out i try to get that out of the stadium. hannah has actually walked out of the studio. she hannah has actually walked out of the studio. . . . hannah has actually walked out of the studio. ,, . , :, :, the studio. she has gone out in rotest, the studio. she has gone out in protest. she — the studio. she has gone out in protest, she is _ the studio. she has gone out in protest, she is that _ the studio. she has gone out in protest, she is that ford. - the studio. she has gone out inj protest, she is that ford. when the studio. she has gone out in i protest, she is that ford. when it tot to protest, she is that ford. when it got to mould _ protest, she is that ford. when it got to mould on _ protest, she is that ford. when it got to mould on the _ protest, she is that ford. when it got to mould on the pitch, - protest, she is that ford. when it got to mould on the pitch, she i protest, she is that ford. when it i got to mould on the pitch, she was gonna stop me what can i reach to one my memory bank? that gonna stop me what can i reach to one my memory bank?— one my memory bank? that was fascinating- _ one my memory bank? that was fascinating. it _ one my memory bank? that was fascinating. it was _ one my memory bank? that was fascinating. it was perfect - one my memory bank? that was fascinating. it was perfect in - one my memory bank? that was fascinating. it was perfect in the | fascinating. it was perfect in the end and — fascinating. it was perfect in the end and for— fascinating. it was perfect in the end and for england _ fascinating. it was perfect in the end and for england a _ fascinating. it was perfect in the end and for england a perfect i end and for england a perfect performance. _ end and for england a perfect performance. did _ end and for england a perfect performance.— end and for england a perfect erformance. , , :, . , performance. did you have every confidence _ performance. did you have every confidence every _ performance. did you have every confidence every minute - performance. did you have every confidence every minute of - performance. did you have every confidence every minute of that. confidence every minute of that match that they would do it? i was very confident _ match that they would do it? i was very confident in _ match that they would do it? i was very confident in the _ match that they would do it? i was very confident in the first - match that they would do it? i was very confident in the first half. i very confident in the first half. when — very confident in the first half. when spain _ very confident in the first half. when spain scored, _ very confident in the first half. when spain scored, my- very confident in the first half. - when spain scored, my confidence was questioned. _ when spain scored, my confidence was questioned. when _ when spain scored, my confidence was questioned. when england _ when spain scored, my confidence was questioned. when england equalised ii questioned. when england equalised i thought— questioned. when england equalised i thought it _ questioned. when england equalised i thought it was — questioned. when england equalised i thought it was ok. _ questioned. when england equalised i thought it was ok. when _ questioned. when england equalised i thought it was ok. when georgia - thought it was ok. when georgia stanway— thought it was ok. when georgia stanway scored _ thought it was ok. when georgia stanway scored what _ thought it was ok. when georgia stanway scored what proved - thought it was ok. when georgia stanway scored what proved to i thought it was ok. when georgial stanway scored what proved to be thought it was ok. when georgia - stanway scored what proved to be the winner. _ stanway scored what proved to be the winner. i_ stanway scored what proved to be the winner. iwent— stanway scored what proved to be the winner. iwentto— stanway scored what proved to be the winner, i went to bed _ stanway scored what proved to be the winner, i went to bed and _ stanway scored what proved to be the winner, i went to bed and when - stanway scored what proved to be the winner, i went to bed and when i - winner, i went to bed and when i woke _ winner, i went to bed and when i woke up— winner, i went to bed and when i woke up in— winner, i went to bed and when i woke up inthe— winner, i went to bed and when i woke up in the morning, - winner, i went to bed and when i woke up in the morning, it- winner, i went to bed and when i woke up in the morning, it was, i woke up in the morning, it was, england — woke up in the morning, it was, england are _ woke up in the morning, it was, england are going _ woke up in the morning, it was, england are going all— woke up in the morning, it was, england are going all the - woke up in the morning, it was, england are going all the way. i woke up in the morning, it was, i england are going all the way. that is my— england are going all the way. that is my prediction. _ england are going all the way. that is my prediction. you— england are going all the way. that is my prediction-— is my prediction. you didn't watch the end of— is my prediction. you didn't watch the end of the _ is my prediction. you didn't watch the end of the match, _ is my prediction. you didn't watch the end of the match, as - is my prediction. you didn't watch the end of the match, as soon i is my prediction. you didn't watch the end of the match, as soon as| is my prediction. you didn't watch i the end of the match, as soon as the goal was scored he went to bed? mt; goal was scored he went to bed? my beauty sleep matters. i got the call at 9pm _ beauty sleep matters. i got the call at 9pm and — beauty sleep matters. i got the call at 9pm and i— beauty sleep matters. i got the call at 9pm and i thought _ beauty sleep matters. i got the call at 9pm and i thought once - beauty sleep matters. i got the call at 9pm and i thought once that - beauty sleep matters. i got the calll at 9pm and i thought once that goal went in. _ at 9pm and i thought once that goal went in. it's— at 9pm and i thought once that goal went in, it's fine, _ at 9pm and i thought once that goal went in, it's fine, england _ at 9pm and i thought once that goal went in, it's fine, england either. i went in, it's fine, england either. terrible _

went in, it's fine, england either. terrible substitutions _ went in, it's fine, england either. terrible substitutions from - went in, it's fine, england either. | terrible substitutions from spain, in my— terrible substitutions from spain, in myiudgment _ terrible substitutions from spain, in myjudgment. england - terrible substitutions from spain, in myjudgment. england beat- terrible substitutions from spain, i in myjudgment. england beat spain 2-1 to— in myjudgment. england beat spain 2-1 to reach— in myjudgment. england beat spain 2—1 to reach the _ in myjudgment. england beat spain 2—1 to reach the semifinals - in myjudgment. england beat spain 2—1 to reach the semifinals of - in myjudgment. england beat spain 2—1 to reach the semifinals of the i 2—1 to reach the semifinals of the women's — 2—1 to reach the semifinals of the women's european _ 2—1 to reach the semifinals of the | women's european championship. georgia _ women's european championship. georgia stanway— women's european championship. georgia stanway put _ women's european championship. georgia stanway put in— women's european championship. georgia stanway put in a - women's european championship. georgia stanway put in a great- georgia stanway put in a great position— georgia stanway put in a great position with _ georgia stanway put in a great position with that _ georgia stanway put in a great position with that extra - georgia stanway put in a great position with that extra time i position with that extra time winner. _ our sports correspondent i natalie pirks was watching. the calming presence of sarina wiegman back on the bench after covid. under her, england were unbeaten, but they couldn't afford a slow start against a team chock—full of champions league winners. it's a free header once again. and it'sjust wide. the free—flowing england of the group stage had gone, with the forwards labouring. ellen white thought she'd carved spain's defence open... the flag's gone up! ..but her celebrations were premature. in the second half, spain turned their patient probing into all—out attack. lovely touch, pulls it back. spain lead. that's the first goal england had conceded in the tournament. time to send on the cavalry. there was an immediate injection of pace and,

with just six minutes to go, two super subs combined for the lifeline. ella toone with a massive goal! extra time, and now england needed to make this count. this rocket from stanway gave them lift—off. oh, my word! what a screamer! they had school in the morning, it was late, but finally — relief. and just look what it meant. unreal. that just shows the level that we're at. we get a set—back and we come back and we do it. i'll remember today, like the other girls. we put in a massive, massive shift. yeah, there's not really much i can say apart from we're just going to enjoy this moment and then crack on. i've never been so tense in my entire life! we were literally on the edge of our seats, that was an amazing game. honestly. espania played well, but i think we came away with the win, well—deserved win. they did play well, but we proper pushed it and i couldn't be happier. it was epic! incredible, incredible. what a finish.

so pleased. with a few minutes to go, you think it's all over, don't you? but no, mate, not with england. it's coming home this year. twice — once now, once in december. england had cantered through to the quarters, but at times it looked as if the joyride was coming to an end. yet again, though, they showed strength and depth and resilience, and that could prove vital in sheffield next week — their fourth consecutive major tournament semifinal. natalie pirks, bbc news, brighton. in sheffield next week it could be either sweden or belgium in the semifinals. it was the biggest domestic burglary in english legal history — a gang of thieves managed to evade 24—hour security on one of the world's most secure streets. they stole jewellery and watches valued at more than £26 million from the model and daughter of an ex—formula—1 boss, tamara ecclestone. now a new bbc documentary looks

at who was behind the crime and the manhunt to catch the suspects. let's find out more from thomas mackintosh. within the space of a fortnight in december 2019, a gang of international jewellery thieves travelled to london, targeting the homes of three celebrities, and they made off with a haul worth £26 million. among the targets, a home belonging to chelsea legend frank lampard and his tv—presenter wife christine lampard, and a town house owned by the family of the late leicester city chairman vichai srivaddhanaprabha. but the biggest raid of them all was at tamara ecclestone's 57—room mansion. lots of things that were taken are basically irreplaceable to me because they have so much sentimental value. bracelets that jay had got me when i gave birth to sophia — one of them had her name and diamonds on it, which he gave to me in the hospital the day that she was born. there were diamond earrings that were my mum's that she gave to me when i was in my 205. those are the things that i guess kind of hurt the most

because they are memories of, like, the most special days of my life. i think we're never seeing those things ever again, i...have to make my peace with that. there's just now always worry, there's worry... about the one thing i didn't worry about, which was being safe in this house. located on billionaires row, it is one of the wealthiest streets in the world. it has 24—hour police patrols and is home to a number of embassies. just hours before the raid, tamara posted on instagram saying she was away for a family christmas holiday to lapland with her husband, jay rutland. he was the first to be told about the break—in. when you're woken up in the middle of the night and told to call someone, you obviously know it's going to be bad news, but... it gradually dawned on me in that conversation that, actually, they had been successful and they had been able to take quite a lot. they entered in via our back garden, hid behind a wendy house.

apparently, they then break in via an extremely slim window! they then spend an hour in the house. they go into every single room, on every single floor. every single room is locked, so they use a crowbar to open every single door. the burglars were eventually disturbed, but made off with the stolen items into the night. in their hurry, burner phones and screwdrivers were dropped. police saw cctv of the three men flagging down a taxi, and detectives had to call over 1,000 black cab drivers in order to piece together their getaway. they were traced to southeast london, then later to italy. last year, jugoslav jovanovic, alessandro donati, and alessandro maltese were arrested, extradited, and pleaded guilty to conspiracy to burgle. the trio were jailed for a total of 28 years. having seen their faces, it's kind of haunting in a way, knowing that that kind of person has been roaming around your house and helping themselves freely to my most treasured, valuable possessions.

it's just... it's just a horrible feeling. i feel like i can't get those faces, now, out of my mind. thomas mackintosh, bbc news. who stole tamara ecclestone's diamonds? is on bbc three tonight at 9pm, and is available to watch on iplayer now. it is coming up to 8:50am. we promised a longer term forecast because the weather has changed dramatically from what it was, the extreme heat to a bit of rain, showers now, but some is not over. not by any means. good morning. it will one up again at the weekend and cool down into the early part of next week but it looks like in august we could see something warmer, ourway august we could see something warmer, our way once again. today we have a lot of dry weather. a few showers, sunniest conditions in the west. we have not had a lot of rain

during the month ofjuly. let me show you what i mean. in north—west scotland where we have seen more rain, we have only had 49% of the july average. 14% in northern england and 1% of what we would normally expect in the month ofjuly across the south—east of england, even though last night near foundation we had an extra 13 millimetres, but that will not really adjust this figure very much if at all. we are starting off with a fair bit of cloud around —— near faversham. we also have breaks in the cloud and sunniest sky across parts of southern england, wales, northern ireland and scotland. we hang on to persistence cloud in south—east scotland and much of england, where we could see further showers through the day but fairly few and far between. we might catch them in the lakes and pennines later. temperatures 13 to 25 degrees. in the evening and

overnight, we could have some early evening sunshine before the cloud spreads out and we will see a return to some showers. some of them coming in across central scotland, the pennines, wales and the midlands still warm in the south with overnight lows of 17 degrees. fresher further north and west. into tomorrow, more cloud than today and we will see more showers. you could catch a shower almost anywhere tomorrow but the heaviest ones are likely to be in northern england, wales and the midlands and could also be thundery. some showers pushing across the channel, could affect the coastlines adjacent to it, and with an onshore breeze along the north sea coastline, here it will feel colder temperatures down on today, highs of 23 degrees. friday, a change because low pressure starts to come in from the atlantic, with its fronts, which will bring more unsettled conditions. stilla will bring more unsettled conditions. still a lot of dry weather to start the day, the

south—east will probably stay dry all day but out towards the west we will have rain from the word go in northern ireland, which was spreading across scotland, northern england, wales and the south—west. gusty winds in the irish sea. into sunday, we could well see temperatures get up to about 30 degrees in parts of the south. still some rain or showers in the north and west and they will transfer eastwards as we go through the course of monday and the temperature then will start to slide once again. it is all over the place. do you want some joy? thank you for that. take a look at this! that is how you have some fun in the sun, isn't it? look at these, they have just been absolutely frolicking. the simplest thing, a bucket of water. this is a kennel in somerset and the dogs i having a wonderful time there. fi is there but there is a

problem, happy as it is, about people trying to find places for their dogs when they are on holiday. they are absolutely full here. half of these _ they are absolutely full here. half of these dogs are here for the day and half— of these dogs are here for the day and half are staying overnight. let me show— and half are staying overnight. let me show you what i have, this is what _ me show you what i have, this is what they— me show you what i have, this is what they are having for breakfast. a bit of— what they are having for breakfast. a bit of fish, strawberry and apple all in _ a bit of fish, strawberry and apple all in an— a bit of fish, strawberry and apple all in an ice — a bit of fish, strawberry and apple all in an ice cube. they absolutely love it. _ all in an ice cube. they absolutely love it. where is albus? he is a golden— love it. where is albus? he is a golden doodle. you love that ice cube. _ golden doodle. you love that ice cube. my— golden doodle. you love that ice cube. my favourite is winnie the whippet~ — cube. my favourite is winnie the whippet. they are living the dream, they are _ whippet. they are living the dream, they are having ice cream for breakfast! doggy ice cream. it is literally— breakfast! doggy ice cream. it is literally like a nursery, they have a list _ literally like a nursery, they have a list of _ literally like a nursery, they have a list of who is saying, here is overnight. _ a list of who is saying, here is overnight, who is having a grim. it is fascinating seeing the parents drop them off, see who gets on and

who doesn't— drop them off, see who gets on and who doesn't —— look out see who is having _ who doesn't —— look out see who is having a _ who doesn't —— look out see who is having a groom. there is a massive shortage _ having a groom. there is a massive shortage of— having a groom. there is a massive shortage of places to put your dogs. i have _ shortage of places to put your dogs. i have been— shortage of places to put your dogs. i have been talking to people struggling to go on holiday and have someone _ struggling to go on holiday and have someone look after their dogs. michelle and richard spent months planning this year's holiday to southern spain. but right at the last moment, there was a pretty big glitch. i went to visit three different places. it was just so difficult to find somewhere that could take her. so they had to change plans — ditching their flights, and instead driving across europe with puppy gracie on the back seat. it does take away from your enjoyment. it's restrictive. we went to some beautiful places but couldn't explore them because it was too hot in the day to take the dog out. so you won't be doing this again? no, i don't think so. we didn't come back as relaxed as we normally would from a holiday. the problem — dog—ownership has skyrocketed in lockdown, but with many kennels forced to close, there's nowhere for them to go now. and it was a similar story forjustine and ian, who were hoping

to celebrate their 25th wedding anniversary on a greek island. i emailed 15 kennels. i was getting really, really concerned that we were probably going to end up having to cancel our holiday because it just looked very, very desperate. everybody was completely full until way into the autumn. then eventually somebody came back to me and said that they had space. well, here in wiltshire, before the pandemic there were at least 20 kennels — but that number has now halved. come on! steve and holly have had these kennels for 20 years, but covid hit them really hard. no income coming in. we had to really dip into our savings, and then to help subsidise that, as well, i got a job working as a delivery driver. phone rings. but that's now all changed. hello, can i help you? no, i am so sorry. we are absolutely booked for that period, we haven't got anything at all, i'm afraid. they're completely

full till october. i'm so sorry. we are turning away probably on average every day somewhere between ten and 15 customers each day. people like sam, who couldn't find anyone to look after gus — his lockdown puppy — when he went away. but that's now led to the most dramatic of career changes. well, i had a really good well—paid job beforehand for six years, and i basically decided to just take this risk, coming away from that. yeah, i decided to convert my garage into a specific place to care for dogs, basically. and last week, sam got his licence — something he's taking very seriously. i'm 24/7 here with them. yeah, i actually sleep in the garage with them. i got my, like, pull—out bed and sofa, different beds and blankets to however they're needed. going to lay down next to me, or on me? and tonight, he's even screening their favourite film. they are still absolutely loving this ice cream and watch what

happens when i put these ice creams, theseice happens when i put these ice creams, these ice cubes into the pool. i have got a spoon sol these ice cubes into the pool. i have got a spoon so i don't get fish fingers. jess, this is your kennels, your boarding house. half of the dogs are staying and half are here for the day. talk us through the routine. , . ,. routine. they are with the paddling ools, as routine. they are with the paddling pools. as you _ routine. they are with the paddling pools. as you can _ routine. they are with the paddling pools, as you can see. _ routine. they are with the paddling pools, as you can see. we - routine. they are with the paddling pools, as you can see. we plan i routine. they are with the paddling i pools, as you can see. we plan what they are _ pools, as you can see. we plan what they are doing on the day. we decide what they— they are doing on the day. we decide what they are doing. so they are doing on the day. we decide what they are doing.— what they are doing. so you have some now _ what they are doing. so you have some now in _ what they are doing. so you have some now in the _ what they are doing. so you have some now in the pools _ what they are doing. so you have some now in the pools and - what they are doing. so you have some now in the pools and later| what they are doing. so you have i some now in the pools and later you will take them on walks. irate some now in the pools and later you will take them on walks.— will take them on walks. we open eve hint will take them on walks. we open everything up. — will take them on walks. we open everything up. we _ will take them on walks. we open everything up, we got _ will take them on walks. we open everything up, we got into - will take them on walks. we open everything up, we got into the i everything up, we got into the paddocks come into the stable yard, and they— paddocks come into the stable yard, and they love sniffing so they will be sniffing, going around, some will io be sniffing, going around, some will go further— be sniffing, going around, some will go further down to the publics. we have go further down to the publics. have harry go further down to the publics. i have harry here. go further down to the publics. we have harry here. harry— go further down to the publics. we have harry here. harry is- go further down to the publics. we have harry here. harry is not - have harry here. harry is not allowed off _ have harry here. harry is not allowed off the _ have harry here. harry is not allowed off the league - have harry here. harry is not allowed off the league so i have harry here. harry is not allowed off the league so we\ have harry here. harry is not - allowed off the league so we walk him. ., . , allowed off the league so we walk him. ., ., , ., , ., ' him. you have been doing this for 15 ears, him. you have been doing this for 15 years. have — him. you have been doing this for 15 years. have you _ him. you have been doing this for 15 years, have you ever _ him. you have been doing this for 15 years, have you ever seen _ him. you have been doing this for 15 years, have you ever seen it - him. you have been doing this for 15 years, have you ever seen it so - years, have you ever seen it so busy? years, have you ever seen it so bus ? ~ ., ., ' years, have you ever seen it so bus? ., busy? we are getting ten or 12 calls er da , busy? we are getting ten or 12 calls per day. maybe _

busy? we are getting ten or 12 calls per day, maybe more. _ busy? we are getting ten or 12 calls per day, maybe more. asking - busy? we are getting ten or 12 calls per day, maybe more. asking for. per day, maybe more. asking for sace per day, maybe more. asking for space and _ per day, maybe more. asking for space and you — per day, maybe more. asking for space and you have _ per day, maybe more. asking for space and you have to _ per day, maybe more. asking for space and you have to say - per day, maybe more. asking for space and you have to say you i per day, maybe more. asking for| space and you have to say you are full. , you space and you have to say you are full.- you are _ space and you have to say you are full.- you are full— space and you have to say you are full. yes. you are full for the next- -- _ full. yes. you are full for the next... two _ full. yes. you are full for the next... two year's? - full. yes. you are full for the | next... two year's? probably. full. yes. you are full for the i next... two year's? probably. i full. yes. you are full for the - next... two year's? probably. i am not taking — next... two year's? probably. i am not taking on _ next... two year's? probably. i am not taking on any _ next... two year's? probably. i am not taking on any new _ next... two year's? probably. i am not taking on any new clients. - next... two year's? probably. i am not taking on any new clients. and | not taking on any new clients. and what do people — not taking on any new clients. jifuc what do people say when not taking on any new clients. 2:1c what do people say when you not taking on any new clients. 2.1c what do people say when you say you can't help them? the? what do people say when you say you can't help them?— can't help them? they ask to go on a waitin: list can't help them? they ask to go on a waiting list and _ can't help them? they ask to go on a waiting list and i _ can't help them? they ask to go on a waiting list and i say _ can't help them? they ask to go on a waiting list and i say yes. _ can't help them? they ask to go on a waiting list and i say yes. we - waiting list and i say yes. we suggest _ waiting list and i say yes. we suggest people go to the council and checklists _ suggest people go to the council and checklists. find suggest people go to the council and checklists. �* , checklists. and their it is -- there are tears? — checklists. and their it is -- there are tears? yes, _ checklists. and their it is -- there are tears? yes, and _ checklists. and their it is -- there are tears? yes, and they - checklists. and their it is -- there are tears? yes, and they don't - checklists. and their it is -- there l are tears? yes, and they don't know what to do- — are tears? yes, and they don't know what to do- it _ are tears? yes, and they don't know what to do. it has _ are tears? yes, and they don't know what to do. it has gone _ are tears? yes, and they don't know what to do. it has gone from - are tears? yes, and they don't know what to do. it has gone from famine i what to do. it has gone from famine to feast. what to do. it has gone from famine to feast- you _ what to do. it has gone from famine to feast. you are _ what to do. it has gone from famine to feast. you are so _ what to do. it has gone from famine to feast. you are so busy. _ what to do. it has gone from famine to feast. you are so busy. you - what to do. it has gone from famine to feast. you are so busy. you have | to feast. you are so busy. you have a very busy day here. lovely albus here is off for groom later on. he will have his eyebrows trimmed. these dogs are having ice cream but you can imagine the chaos but the absolute joy they have. when we arrived they were pulling to get in here. i am going to leave you with the sight of dogs eating ice cream

on i don't think you could want more than that, could you? dogs on i don't think you could want more than that, could you?— than that, could you? dogs en'oying themselves. — than that, could you? dogs en'oying themselves. they fl than that, could you? dogs en'oying themselves. they look i than that, could you? dogs en'oying themselves. they look very h than that, could you? dogs enjoying themselves. they look very happy. l themselves. they look very happy. very happy- _ themselves. they look very happy. very happy- there _ themselves. they look very happy. very happy. there is _ themselves. they look very happy. very happy. there is some - themselves. they look very happy. very happy. there is some joy. - you're watching bbc breakfast, it's 8.59.

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