this is bbc news this is bbc news with martine croxall. the headlines at five. rishi sunak and liz truss go head—to—head as they set out their pitches to the conservative party. what is not affordable is putting up taxes, choking off growth and ending up taxes, choking off growth and ending up in a much worse position. the bbc has apologised to _ up in a much worse position. the bbc has apologised to the _ up in a much worse position. the bbc has apologised to the former - up in a much worse position. the bbc has apologised to the former nanny i has apologised to the former nanny over a number of serious and false allegations made against her. a corner has said that the five people including four teenager soldiers who died in the guildford pub bombings in 1974 were unlawfully killed. president biden has tested positive for covid. the white house

says his symptoms are mild and he's taking medication. no ordinary telescope — scientists will for the first time be able to just —— detect smashing together of neutron stars. good afternoon and welcome to the bbc news. liz truss says the treasury�*s policies have failed to deliver growth for two decades. she's rejected concerns that the tax cuts she's promised would increase inflation. liz truss and her rivalry she sunak are now sitting out there pitches to win over the party membership. this report from iain

watson contained some flashing images. her pitch to party members is that she would hold an emergency tax—cutting budget, and she's not only attacked recent decisions taken by her colleagues, but has distanced herself from previous administrations. when i sat at that cabinet table, i opposed the national insurance rise before it happened, and i tried to stop it, because i thought it was a mistake. we have had a consensus of the treasury, of economists, of the financial times, of other outlets, peddling a particular type of economic policy for the last 20 years. but here's another conversion from you... and it hasn't. .. it hasn't. .. you backed all that policy when you were chief secretary to the treasury. it hasn't delivered growth. the conservatives have been in office for 12 of the past 20 years, so now liz truss is presenting herself as the candidate

who offers change. the more popular candidate with mps, though, was rishi sunak. in this campaign video, he's celebrating attracting their support. guys, we totally smashed it — well done! but polling suggests that he faces a bigger challenge in gaining grassroots support. his backers hope that party members will see him as more financially responsible, especially as government borrowing is going up and interest payments have hit a record of more than £19 billion, so they argue that cutting taxes right now would make a bad economic situation worse. well, i think it would be inflationary- and i think it would riskl the hard—won reputation of the conservative party. we have fought hard to defend the principle that countries, i rather like households, should try to live within their means. i there are clear policy differences between the candidates, but they're also very different personalities. in this press pack provided from the rishi sunak camp, we've been provided with suntan lotion, and the, "ready for rishi,

ready for sunshine," message is supposed to convey optimism, but it could also be a sign that this leadership contest is really hotting up. liz truss, who's emphasised her state education, will argue she is best placed to hold on to seats won from labour. we need to have a grown—up conversation. rishi sunak believes the more that members see of both of them, the more he'll look like an election winner. tory members will begin voting next month, and one of the candidates will move into downing street on september the 6th. iain watson reporting. helen catt joins us now from westminster. we are seeing the differences between the final two?— the finaltwo? yes, we are -- they are wasting _ the finaltwo? yes, we are -- they are wasting no time _ the finaltwo? yes, we are -- they are wasting no time in _ the finaltwo? yes, we are -- they are wasting no time in pointing - the finaltwo? yes, we are -- they| are wasting no time in pointing out their differences. we are seeing some very different ideas being put out here. you're seeing this trust trying to restrain herself as an

outsider —— liz truss. she's putting for these new ideas. rishi sunak is very much carrying on with the sort of economic policy that he put in place as chancellor. these plans have been scrutinised by a think tank who had suggested what liz truss is suggesting, things like reversing the national insurance rise, that would be what are known as the fiscal rules. some of those include things like not borrowing to fund day—to—day spending and making sure national debt is falling as a percentage of national income after three years. she was asked about this on a visit earlier, and this is what she said. my this on a visit earlier, and this is what she said.— what she said. my plans do not exceed the _ what she said. my plans do not exceed the headroom. - what she said. my plans do not exceed the headroom. i'm - what she said. my plans do notj exceed the headroom. i'm very what she said. my plans do not - exceed the headroom. i'm very clear that they— exceed the headroom. i'm very clear that they are about £30 billion worth— that they are about £30 billion worth of— that they are about £30 billion worth of costings, and those are

affordable within our current headroom. but what is not affordable is pulling _ headroom. but what is not affordable is putting up taxes, choking off growth — is putting up taxes, choking off growth and ending up in a much worse position _ growth and ending up in a much worse osition. ~ ., �* , growth and ending up in a much worse osition. ~ . �* , , , growth and ending up in a much worse osition. . . �* , , , ., position. what's interesting is that the institute for _ position. what's interesting is that the institute for fiscal _ position. what's interesting is that the institute for fiscal studies - the institute for fiscal studies is that there is a real and genuine choice here. rishi sunak, interestingly, you heard iain about his economic pitch, but it doesn't perceive very sunny weather in the short term. there would be tax cuts, but he's clear that has to come after inflation has been gripped, and we understood that is likely to be autumn 2023. he's been setting out his pitch this morning in the daily telegraph, suggesting he would bring in radical reforms in the style of margaret thatcher, but this idea is that it comes after you got inflation. ., , ., , inflation. helen, that you very

much. inflation. helen, that you very much- we're _ inflation. helen, that you very much. we're joined _ inflation. helen, that you very much. we're joined by - inflation. helen, that you very much. we're joined by teresa | much. we'rejoined by teresa villiere �*s, rishi sunak supporter. let's start with the tone of this campaign so far. what's your assessment of it and how helpful is it to the party?— it to the party? well, i definitely want to see _ it to the party? well, i definitely want to see a — it to the party? well, i definitely want to see a positive _ it to the party? well, i definitely want to see a positive tone - it to the party? well, i definitely want to see a positive tone to i it to the party? well, i definitely. want to see a positive tone to this contest. particularthe want to see a positive tone to this contest. particular the hustings that were painful for the conservatives to watch. i think rishi sunak would be the better to take over as prime minister, but i really hope both of them are going to be fighting positive campaigns, i know rishi will be. haifa to be fighting positive campaigns, i know rishi will be.— to be fighting positive campaigns, i know rishi will be. how is the fresh start? he had _ know rishi will be. how is the fresh start? he had ample _ know rishi will be. how is the fresh start? he had ample opportunity i know rishi will be. how is the fresh start? he had ample opportunity toj start? he had ample opportunity to resign, and also, he had a covid finejust resign, and also, he had a covid fine just like resign, and also, he had a covid finejust like the prime resign, and also, he had a covid fine just like the prime minister did. i

fine “ust like the prime minister did. ., ~ fine “ust like the prime minister did. . ~ ., , did. i thank to's a fresh start. i mean, did. i thank to's a fresh start. i mean. the _ did. i thank to's a fresh start. i mean, the circumstances - did. i thank to's a fresh start. i mean, the circumstances that| did. i thank to's a fresh start. i i mean, the circumstances that led did. i thank to's a fresh start. i - mean, the circumstances that led to the resignation of the prime minister were hugely damaging —— i think rishi is a fresh dark. they were associated with the decision that boris himself made. not with i think rishi has shown in terms of helping us to the pandemic with the furlough seam, he's demonstrated he can be calm in a crisis and he can deliver in a crisis such as the one we faced. �* v deliver in a crisis such as the one we faced. �* �* , , deliver in a crisis such as the one we faced-— deliver in a crisis such as the one wefaced.�* h, ., , we faced. but he's put taxes up so much to the _ we faced. but he's put taxes up so much to the point _ we faced. but he's put taxes up so much to the point where _ we faced. but he's put taxes up so much to the point where it's - we faced. but he's put taxes up sol much to the point where it's almost unrecognisable that this is a government that's on this. liz truss is making hay on this. how does he keep defending this when she proposing tax cuts which will be hugely appealing to people? weill.

proposing tax cuts which will be hugely appealing to people? well, we have “ust hugely appealing to people? well, we have just come _ hugely appealing to people? well, we have just come through _ hugely appealing to people? well, we have just come through the _ hugely appealing to people? well, we have just come through the biggest i have just come through the biggest health emergency for 100 years. that has an effect on the public finances. but rishi is very clear that he wants to bring down taxes. he's determined to do that. but he believes we have to tackle inflation and grow the economy first in order to give us headroom to cut taxes responsibly and sustainably. but what's the likelihood of him rushing out or promising to row back on some of the changes. to pay for social care, if it means that he gets across the line to being next prime minister? he across the line to being next prime minister? ., ~ ., across the line to being next prime minister? . ~ ., ., . minister? he will take a thatcherite a- roach. minister? he will take a thatcherite approach- mrs _ minister? he will take a thatcherite approach. mrs thatcher _ minister? he will take a thatcherite| approach. mrs thatcher championed ensuring that you handle the

nation's money responsibly, so i am certain that is the position he's going to stick to. he will reduce taxes as and when it's affordable and responsible to do so. and not push out borrowing. that's the problem with cutting taxes if you haven't got the really economic headroom. you just load future generations with more debt. haifa generations with more debt. how offensive will _ generations with more debt. how offensive will people find it to hear a man of such extraordinary wealth saying live within your means? ~ �* ., ., wealth saying live within your means? ~ �* . ~ ., ., means? when i'm talking about that, i'm talkin: means? when i'm talking about that, i'm talking about _ means? when i'm talking about that, i'm talking about the _ means? when i'm talking about that, i'm talking about the nation's - i'm talking about the nation's finances, not individual households. it's a principle that if a country spends more than it can afford, that can lead to difficult consequences. not least rises, which impact household buzzards. ithink

not least rises, which impact household buzzards. i think you slightly misunderstood what i was saying —— household budget. h0. slightly misunderstood what i was saying -- household budget. no, it's applicable because _ saying -- household budget. no, it's applicable because he _ saying -- household budget. no, it's applicable because he and _ saying -- household budget. no, it's applicable because he and his- saying -- household budget. no, it's applicable because he and his wife i applicable because he and his wife are extremely wealthy. how appealing will he be to the ordinary person, the ordinary conservative? there is a yougov out saying that liz truss has extended her lead with the membership over rishi sunak even further. she's pulling at 62% compared with rishi sunak at 38%. perhaps she isjust compared with rishi sunak at 38%. perhaps she is just more relatable. i think in this country, wejudge people, and we should judge people on their abilities, their experience and what they have to offer, not on their background. liz rishi has demonstrated its a sure hand. given his track record in delivering the furlough scheme, i think he is the person to get us to what is going to be a difficult time ahead because of the global inflation crisis.—

ahead because of the global inflation crisis. ., ., ., inflation crisis. how important do ou think inflation crisis. how important do you think it's _ inflation crisis. how important do you think it's going _ inflation crisis. how important do you think it's going to _ inflation crisis. how important do you think it's going to become i inflation crisis. how important do i you think it's going to become that rishi sunakfax brexit you think it's going to become that rishi sunak fax brexit from the start? i rishi sunak fax brexit from the start? ., ., , rishi sunak fax brexit from the start? ~ . , ., ~ start? i think that is important. at the general _ start? i think that is important. at the general election, _ start? i think that is important. at the general election, the - start? i think that is important. at the general election, the electric. the general election, the electric stated that they wanted brexit to be done —— the electorate. boris delivered on getting us out of the eu, but to a degree, brexit is still unfinished business because we have to deliver the regulator e reform to use our brexit freedoms positively —— regulatory. we have to make sure breaks brexit is properly implement it in northern ireland.— it in northern ireland. teresa villiers, thank— it in northern ireland. teresa villiers, thank you _ it in northern ireland. teresa villiers, thank you for - it in northern ireland. teresa villiers, thank you forjoiningj it in northern ireland. teresa i villiers, thank you forjoining us this afternoon. liz truss's plan has been criticised. if you cannot tax her way to group in a consistent her cuts would actually decrease inflation. when asked whether she

could cite any economist that backed idea, this is how she answered the bbc�*s nick robinson. idea, this is how she answered the bbc's nick robinson.— bbc's nick robinson. increase or decrease inflation? _ bbc's nick robinson. increase or decrease inflation? my _ bbc's nick robinson. increase or decrease inflation? my tax - bbc's nick robinson. increase or decrease inflation? my tax cuts l bbc's nick robinson. increase or i decrease inflation? my tax cuts will decrease inflation? my tax cuts will decrease inflation. _ decrease inflation? my tax cuts will decrease inflation. really? - decrease inflation? my tax cuts will decrease inflation. really? can - decrease inflation? my tax cuts will decrease inflation. really? can youj decrease inflation. really? can you oint to a decrease inflation. really? can you point to a single — decrease inflation. really? can you point to a single government - decrease inflation. really? can you point to a single government who l point to a single government who thinks that cutting taxes does anything other than increase inflation? ., anything other than increase inflation?— anything other than increase inflation? . ., �*, inflation? patrick mumford. he's written an article _ inflation? patrick mumford. he's written an article about - inflation? patrick mumford. he's written an article about it - inflation? patrick mumford. he's written an article about it this i written an article about it this weekend~ _ written an article about it this weekend. we written an article about it this weekend. ~ .., written an article about it this weekend. ~ , , ., ~ written an article about it this weekend-— written an article about it this weekend. ~ , , n ., ., weekend. we can speak to the man himself, supporting _ weekend. we can speak to the man himself, supporting her— weekend. we can speak to the man himself, supporting her vision, i weekend. we can speak to the man himself, supporting her vision, the| himself, supporting her vision, the economist and adviser to the independent business network. you heard yourself cited there, can you explain to us how liz truss is right that by cutting taxes, you might actually reduce inflation? the first

oint to actually reduce inflation? the first point to bear— actually reduce inflation? the first point to bear in mind _ actually reduce inflation? the first point to bear in mind is _ actually reduce inflation? the first point to bear in mind is that i actually reduce inflation? the first point to bear in mind is that these j point to bear in mind is that these are tax cuts, or rather reversals of proposed increases that would have damaged supply. if you if you increase supply, which is what this would do, that of course improves inflation because it adds supply availability to the main way in which we're cutting inflation, which is through the bank of england rising interest rates.— is through the bank of england i rising interest rates.- sorry, rising interest rates. but... sorry, no ahead rising interest rates. but... sorry, go ahead and- _ rising interest rates. but... sorry, go ahead and. carry _ rising interest rates. but... sorry, go ahead and. carry on, _ rising interest rates. but... sorry, go ahead and. carry on, i- rising interest rates. but... sorry, go ahead and. carry on, i didn't i go ahead and. carry on, i didn't mean to interrupt _ go ahead and. carry on, i didn't mean to interrupt a _ go ahead and. carry on, i didn't mean to interrupt a yellow i go ahead and. carry on, i didn't mean to interrupt a yellow the l go ahead and. carry on, i didn't i mean to interrupt a yellow the other point is important mean to interrupt a yellow the other point is importan— point is important is we're using two instruments. _ point is important is we're using two instruments. fiscal- point is important is we're using two instruments. fiscal policy i point is important is we're using two instruments. fiscal policy is important in stabilising the economy. using fiscal policy to stabilise the economy while the bank is raising interest rates to cut

inflation is, we have found, always the optimal thing to do with our... phone rings. the optimal thing to do with our... phone runes.— the optimal thing to do with our... phone rings.— the optimal thing to do with our... phone rings. what you can do with fiscal policies — phone rings. what you can do with fiscal policies is _ phone rings. what you can do with fiscal policies is support _ phone rings. what you can do with fiscal policies is support them i phone rings. what you can do with fiscal policies is support them all i fiscal policies is support them all the bank of england is tightening money and reducing inflation, and that's the main way in which inflation is controlled, their interest rates. it makes absolute sense to have a supportive fiscal policy while the bank is tightening monetary policy. but policy while the bank is tightening monetary policy-— policy while the bank is tightening monetary policy. but if you're going to... monetary policy. but if you're going to- -- what — monetary policy. but if you're going to--- what is _ monetary policy. but if you're going to... what is the _ monetary policy. but if you're going to... what is the government i monetary policy. but if you're going to... what is the government going to... what is the government going to stop spending on? to. .. what is the government going to stop spending on?— to stop spending on? well, all this talk that came _ to stop spending on? well, all this talk that came from _ to stop spending on? well, all this talk that came from teresa - to stop spending on? well, all this talk that came from teresa coffey | talk that came from teresa coffey about how it's unsound to borrow is nonsense because governments part of the whole time. there's a good reason for following, which

the whole time. there's a good reason forfollowing, which is reason for following, which is to smooth out the bumps and spending —— for borrowing. if we just simply slavishly put up taxes every time we had a rise in spending, we would have a dreadfully bad policy, and thatis have a dreadfully bad policy, and that is what rishi sunak is now doing. he's proposing putting up taxes which would damage the economy. in order to stop borrowing continuing, but of course he borrowed 500 billion anyway to deal with covid. tote borrowed 500 billion anyway to deal with covid. ~ ., ., , ., with covid. we have to start somewhere, _ with covid. we have to start somewhere, don't - with covid. we have to start somewhere, don't we? i with covid. we have to startj somewhere, don't we? isn't with covid. we have to start i somewhere, don't we? isn't it a with covid. we have to start - somewhere, don't we? isn't it a very strange thing to see conservatives talking about more and more government borrowing to pay for public services when often, they stand for small government? weill. stand for small government? well, es, but stand for small government? well, yes. but this _ stand for small government? well, yes. but this is _ stand for small government? well, yes, but this is a _ stand for small government? well, yes, but this is a long-term - yes, but this is a long—term proposal keeping the budget under control. that's the way to do it, to

keep long—term debt on a trajectory that comes down. debt has gone over 200 sit -- 200% and that comes down. debt has gone over 200 sit —— 200% and we brought it down. to bring it down tomorrow. stop borrowing suddenly out of a panic, it's completely economically damaging, and that is what liz truss is picking up on in rishi sunak�*s strategy, which is he is proposing to raise corporation tax and he's already raised the national insurance contributions, both of which are highly damaging to the economy. she's trying to reverse that. .,, economy. she's trying to reverse that. ., , , ., , that. those candidates seem to be invokin: that. those candidates seem to be invoking margaret _ that. those candidates seem to be invoking margaret thatcher. i that. those candidates seem to be invoking margaret thatcher. who | invoking margaret thatcher. who would she agree with?— invoking margaret thatcher. who would she agree with? well, there's no doubt in — would she agree with? well, there's no doubt in my _ would she agree with? well, there's no doubt in my mind _ would she agree with? well, there's no doubt in my mind that _ would she agree with? well, there's no doubt in my mind that she i would she agree with? well, there's no doubt in my mind that she would | no doubt in my mind that she would agree with this trust. i was an

adviser to her when she was formulating our policies —— liz truss. but the parallel with the 1981 budget was complete a false, and we have a situation where supply policies and sensible policies that support growth require an increase in borrowing. support growth require an increase in borrowing-— in borrowing. sorry, but margaret thatcherwas— in borrowing. sorry, but margaret thatcher was not _ in borrowing. sorry, but margaret thatcher was not in favour - in borrowing. sorry, but margaret thatcher was not in favour of i in borrowing. sorry, but margaret thatcher was not in favour of lots| thatcher was not in favour of lots of borrowing. those of us to remember the 1980s remember that very clearly. she remember the 1980s remember that very clearly-— very clearly. she borrowed as well as anybody _ very clearly. she borrowed as well as anybody else- _ very clearly. she borrowed as well as anybody else. you _ very clearly. she borrowed as well as anybody else. you have - very clearly. she borrowed as well as anybody else. you have to i as anybody else. you have to borrow... as anybody else. you have to borrow- - -_ as anybody else. you have to i borrow..._ but borrow... not to this extent. but she brought down _ borrow... not to this extent. but she brought down the _ borrow... not to this extent. but she brought down the borrowed l borrow... not to this extent. but i she brought down the borrowed over time and she brought down it ratio over time, and that's what should happen today. it can all be done like in the next few years. but there is a long—term here. if you look at how our debt ratio has been

brought down over the years, it's taken time, and that makes sense because to try to do anything suddenly disrupts economic policy, which is exactly what's illustrated by rishi sunak�*s extremely damaging proposals to raise nets and to raise the corporation tax upright people are told that raising will the corporation tax upright people are told that raisin- are told that raising will help the health service, _ are told that raising will help the health service, something that l health service, something that people understood clearly. one final question, when we look at both of their policies, how much difference will any of it really make when a lot of the inflationary pressures are external? that they are to do with, for example, russia's invasion. with, for example, russia's invasion-— invasion. you also have to remember the bank invasion. you also have to remember the itank of — invasion. you also have to remember the bank of england _ invasion. you also have to remember the bank of england borrowed - invasion. you also have to remember the bank of england borrowed a i invasion. you also have to remember the bank of england borrowed a lot i the bank of england borrowed a lot of money during the crisis, which we could see was quite excessive. that's part of the story, so the

main way in which we'll bring down inflation is premonitory policy. —— monetary. fiscal policy can help by bringing increased supply and also to put a backstop under the economy. the bank feels free to do its thing, and that's what it needs to do. that will bring down inflation. without causing a recession. if you go with the programme that liz truss has put forward. we the programme that liz truss has put forward. ~ ., ,, . ., ., ~ ., forward. we appreciate talking to us. a forward. we appreciate talking to us- a report _ forward. we appreciate talking to us. a report has _ forward. we appreciate talking to us. a report has found _ forward. we appreciate talking to us. a report has found the - us. a report has found the home office response to dealing with migrant costings is next —— ineffective. inspectors found the response to the challenge of dealing with increasing numbers of arrivals was �*poor�*. our home editor, mark easton, said this report raises a number of concerns about how thehome office operates and whether the home secretary priti patel

is being held to account. charged by the home secretary. his official report on the small boat crisis was sent to priti patel back in february. he had done it in rapid time because he said he wanted to ensure that his recommendations could be implemented as quickly as possible before the new number of migrants came improved. but the home are only that report today. that's five months and 13,000 migrant arrivals later. the report itself is damning. data and inexcusably awful, equipment old and unreliable, biometrics often not recorded. and he makes this point, he looks at a

sample of 227 migrants who had absconded from the hotels where they were kept because there's not enough accommodation. between september and january, two thirds of that sample had not been photographed or fingerprinted. we had no idea who they were. says we don't know who's threatened or who is threatening. the home office says much of the report five months on is now of historic character because the system and their words has been transformed, and that is partially true because he visited tug haven. they've now moved that process to a former military base in kent, and i think you could say that the recommendations that david neal made in the report have largely been

introduced. but you know what i think is telling, is that mr neal has been in post since march 2021, and despite numerous requests, he was never met the home secretary. mark, thank you very much. mr biden was experiencing mild symptoms and would continue to carry out light duties while isolating. john son worth is in washington. what more do we know about his state of health —— sudwroth. fix, what more do we know about his state of health -- sudwroth.— of health -- sudwroth. a tweet from joe biden, of health -- sudwroth. a tweet from joe biden. ' — of health -- sudwroth. a tweet from joe biden. ' i'm _ of health -- sudwroth. a tweet from joe biden, " i'm doing _ of health -- sudwroth. a tweet from joe biden, " i'm doing great, - of health -- sudwroth. a tweet from joe biden, " i'm doing great, thanks| joe biden, " i'm doing great, thanks for your concern, i send joe biden, " i'm doing great, thanks for your concern, isend my joe biden, " i'm doing great, thanks for your concern, i send my regrets for your concern, i send my regrets

for missing the evidence." that sums it up from the white house messaging. all of the messaging has been reassurance. joe biden began showing symptoms yesterday evening, but those described as very mild. white house statement made it clear that the president is fully vaccinated, double boosted, treated with an anti—viral drug which dramatically lowers the risk of hospitalisation. at the moment, the messages although self—isolating to protect staff around him, it is business as usual and he is carrying out his duties to the full. still noteworthy. _ out his duties to the full. still noteworthy, still— out his duties to the full. still noteworthy, still new words worthy. john, thank you very much. a range of deals is being promoted by the government which it says will help people with the cost of living over the summer holidays. companies involved in the help for householdscampaign include asda, morrisons and vodafone. the prime minister says the package

would "provide much needed relief at the checkout". but some business bosses say the campaign isnot a substitute for government policy. our political correspondent, lone wells, reports. the cost of groceries, fuel and household bills is continuing to go up. some government support has been announced, but today, it says it will promote private companies if they offer people discounts over the summer to help. from london theatres giving children a free ticket to a west end show in august, to discounted mobile phone contracts from some providers for those on low incomes. asda is one of the businesses that has signed up, saying children under 16 can get a hot meal in their cafes for £1. so, ijust spent £12 — if he's £1, that's great. cos it saves us lots of money cos food is getting expensive now, and other stuff, cos the prices have gone higher. but the government isn't providing firms with any money to do this. i'm sure, i feel deep in my heart, bones, | that with the kind of brilliance - that your companies generally have

in finding ways of cutting costs... david buttress is the prime minister's cost of living tsar, that has been tasked with striking these deals, and denied businesses were having to step in for the state. is it acceptable that children are having to be fed for £1 at supermarkets like asda? has the government failed some of those families? it's a tough time for lots of people, and this campaign is about doing what we can to help. this is about promoting and amplifying those businesses that are doing good work, and saying, "well done." and saying, "well done" and "thank you, and here's a load of great government assets, "like our digital platforms, to amplify and make people, "your customers and consumers aware of the great work you're doing." some businesses, though, think private—sector discounts should not be a substitute for more government support. the government has got all the levers, all these policy levers it can pull to help small businesses, and we've been pitching these in to government over the last three months or so, but none are being pulled, and instead, what we're having is this, kind of, big campaign.

it's all about big businesses selling things for a little bit cheaper. local politicians, too, have raised concerns this will not be enough to help struggling families over the summer. the idea that a free west end theatre ticket for a child - with a full paying adulti is going to help people in the midlands and north - and large swathes of the south isjust not going to cut it, i'm afraid. i the government says more deals will be announced when children go back to school, but any further financial support will be a decision for whoever the next prime minister is. lone wells, bbc news. the european central bank has raised interest rates for the first time in more than 11years as it tries to control in more than 11 years as it tries to control soaring eurozone inflation. the ecb raised its key interest rate by 0.5% and plans further increases later in the year. the ecb chief warns inflation will be �*undesirably high for some time'. the bank of england have been raising rates as the pace of price rises gets faster.

a 73—year—old man who killed his wife before trying to take his own life is giving a two year sentence. graham mansfield was convicted of manslaughter. 71—year—old diane mansfield, who had cancer, was killed at their home in march last year. time for a look at the weather forecast. sarah isjoining us. not much in the areas that could really do with some wet weather. the satellite image shows fairly extensive cloud with a bit of sunshine. the odd shower coming out of that cloud, but not many in lincolnshire. this was the picture recently. it is still pretty dry there. forthe recently. it is still pretty dry there. for the rest of this evening, there. for the rest of this evening, the cloud will be thickening and it will produce the odd heavy shower and on rumble of thunder.

temperatures around 11 or 12, but quite a muggy 17 down towards the southeast. tomorrow brings another cloudy, slightly cooler day, with some heavy showers developing across parts of england and wales, could be the odd thunderstorm particularly for parts of wales and southwest england. temperatures 23 degrees or so, but only around 15 of towards aberdeen. into the weekend, it looks like things will be more unsettled. drier further south and temperatures warming up once again particularly by sunday.

hello, this is bbc news. these are the headlines... former chancellor rishi sunak and foreign secretary liz truss go head to head over tax policy — as they set out their pitches to the members of the conservative party. the bbc has apologised to the former royal nanny tiggy legge—burke over a number of serious and false allegations made against her by panorama reporter martin bashir in order to obtain an interview with princess diana. a coroner has said that the five people, including four teenage

soldiers, who died in the guildford pub bombings in 1974, were unlawfully killed. president biden has tested positive for covid. the white house says his symptoms are mild and he's taking medication. no ordinary telescope — for the first time scientists will be able to detect the smashing together of neutron stars. it is time for sport now. hello, paul. thank you very much. let's start at the tour de france. in the last hour stage 18 has finished in victory for leaderjonas vingegaard. there was a great moment of sportsmanship between the leading pair. he is three sages away from an overall victory. —— stages away. —— stages away. defending champion tadej pogacar crashed, while racing wheel to wheel with vingegaard, the dane waited until his rival was back on his bike. the 25—year—old then rode away on the slopes to extend his lead

to nearly three and a half minutes. britain's geraint thomas is still third, more than three minutes clear of fourth place. four—time winner of the tour de france, chris froome, is out of this year's race after testing positive for covid—19. his team, israel—premier tech, say he was the only rider on the team to return a positive result. the 37—year—old hopes to return for the vuelta a espana next month. iam i am really disappointed not to be able to go to paris and finish off the tour de france. it has been an extremely special raise for us as a team. and for me personally as well. i have really been finding my legs again and i want to thank everyone for all their support during this process and i'm going to go home now and switch off for a few days and refocus on being ready for the next race later this season.

it looks like 21—time grand slam champion novak djokovic won't be able to add to his grand slam tally at next month's us open — because of his covid—19 vaccination status. organisers say they won't have a vaccination mandate, but will respect the us government's rules, which require non—citizens to be fully vaccinated against coronavirus, in order to enter the country. the three—time us open champion was kicked out of australia earlier this year because of his vaccination status. the serb is just one grand slam title behind rafael nadal. gloucester lock ed slater has been diagnosed with motor neurone disease and has retired from rugby union with immediate effect. he was diagnosed last week following six months of testing. a statement from the club say they are "entirely committed to supporting ed, his wifejo and his three children in whatever way required". former manchester united player jesse lingard is close to signing for nottingham forest on a free transfer. the 29—year—old, who has 32 england

caps, has been in talks with the newly promoted side, it's understood nothing has yet been agreed. he left united after more than 20 years at the club when his contract expired at the end ofjune. ex—burnley captain ben mee is expected to join brentford on a free transfer. the defender left the clarets when his contract expired following their relegation to the championship. mee spent 11 years with burnley, helping them to two promotions to the premier league. after a thrilling extra—time win for england against spain at euro �*22 last night, the second of the quarter—finals is taking place in brentford later, where eight—time winners germany play austria. germany are in great form and will be favourites — they won group b with a game to spare, beating denmark, spain and finland without conceding a goal. england women begin their t20 series against south africa later, having completed a 3—0 win in the one—day series. the first match gets under way in chelmsford this evening. it's in preparation

for the commonwealth games t20 competition which begins next week at edgbaston. tammy beaumont who hit 119 in the third odi has been omitted from the squad. that's all the sport for now. paul, thank you very much, see you later. the official inquiry into the uk's pandemic preparedness has been launched by its chair baroness hallett. the uk covid—19 inquiry will begin preliminary hearings this year and the first witnesses will be called next spring. our health correspondent asked planes the scope of this. it is hue, it planes the scope of this. it is huge. it is — planes the scope of this. it is huge, it is going _ planes the scope of this. it is huge, it is going to _ planes the scope of this. it 3 huge, it is going to look at everything notjust what huge, it is going to look at everything not just what we have seen over the last two years, but also the run up to the pandemic rather the country was properly prepared for the pandemic. it is all being led by a retired appeal court

judge. i would being led by a retired appeal court judge. iwould imagine being led by a retired appeal court judge. i would imagine by this time next year she will become a very fully familiarface. she next year she will become a very fully familiar face. she was speaking for the first time today in her capacity as chair and that is because it was the official opening, the starting of this process. it was a recorded statement, this is what she had to say. i a recorded statement, this is what she had to say-— she had to say. i know that others have significant _ she had to say. i know that others have significant -- _ she had to say. i know that others have significant -- suffered - have significant —— suffered significant losses. and every person has had _ significant losses. and every person has had their life changed to some extent _ has had their life changed to some extent for— has had their life changed to some extent. for my part, i will do my very— extent. for my part, i will do my very best — extent. for my part, i will do my very best to— extent. for my part, i will do my very best to undertake the inquiry in a way— very best to undertake the inquiry in a way that acknowledges the suffering and seeks to reduce the scope _ suffering and seeks to reduce the scope of— suffering and seeks to reduce the scope of others to suffer in the same _ scope of others to suffer in the same way in the future. to scope of others to suffer in the same way in the future.- same way in the future. to be successful. — same way in the future. to be successful, this _ same way in the future. to be successful, this is _ same way in the future. to be successful, this is going - same way in the future. to be successful, this is going to . same way in the future. to be l successful, this is going to have same way in the future. to be - successful, this is going to have to bring the experience of those families into the actual public inquiry itself. that's going to be very difficult to do when you think

about how broad this process is. you look at other public inquiries, like hillsboro for example, it looks at a very complex issue, but it was very focused on one event. this could cover everything from care homes, the nhs, how prepared the country was, to the political decisions that were taken, the decisions around lockdown. each of those individually are very complex. and that is why they are splitting it up into modules. the first one they are looking at is preparedness for the pandemic and whether the country was ready enough. that will start taking evidence in september. it will get going with public hearings in the spring of next year. let's speak now with professor david nabarro, who's special envoy at the world health organisation to the director—general on covid—19. welcome. we just heard welcome. wejust heard our welcome. we just heard our health correspondent they are saying what

the scope of this will be that there will be different parts and sections to look at the pandemic. how do you make it worthwhile without being unwieldy? make it worthwhile without being unwield ? ., ~ , . unwieldy? thank you very much indeed. unwieldy? thank you very much indeed- i'm _ unwieldy? thank you very much indeed. i'm so _ unwieldy? thank you very much indeed. i'm so sorry _ unwieldy? thank you very much indeed. i'm so sorry we - unwieldy? thank you very much indeed. i'm so sorry we are - indeed. i'm so sorry we are struggling _ indeed. i'm so sorry we are struggling to _ indeed. i'm so sorry we are struggling to hear - indeed. i'm so sorry we are struggling to hear you - indeed. i'm so sorry we are struggling to hear you at i indeed. i'm so sorry we are l struggling to hear you at the moment. let me ask you again, what needs to be included... first moment. let me ask you again, what needs to be included. . ._ needs to be included... first of all checkin: needs to be included... first of all checking you _ needs to be included... first of all checking you can _ needs to be included... first of all checking you can hear— needs to be included... first of all checking you can hear me. - needs to be included... first of all checking you can hear me. we - needs to be included... first of allj checking you can hear me. we can hear ou checking you can hear me. we can hear you now. _ checking you can hear me. we can hear you now, there _ checking you can hear me. we can hear you now, there is _ checking you can hear me. we can hear you now, there is a _ checking you can hear me. we can hear you now, there is a bit - checking you can hear me. we can hear you now, there is a bit of- hear you now, there is a bit of a delay. we will continue. what in your view is the most important aspects of any inquiry into covid? interference. iamso i am so sorry, we cannot hear the professor at the moment, not properly. we will see if we can sort that out and we will go back to him in a moment because i would really like to hear his opinion. hear his opinion.

let's return to the conservative leadership contest. the final two have been decided. the former chancellor rishi sunak and the current foreign secretary liz truss will go head to head now to win over the party membership to become the next leader and prime minister. i'm joined now by former world bank and bank of england economist, deannejulius. thank you very much forjoining us. these two contenders have rather different approaches to tax. rishi sunak saying yes i will cut, but only when it is right. and liz truss saying let's get in early and cut taxes quickly. who is right in your opinion? taxes quickly. who is right in your oinion? ., ., ., ., opinion? from an economic point of view, if opinion? from an economic point of view. if not — opinion? from an economic point of view, if not from _ opinion? from an economic point of view, if not from a _ opinion? from an economic point of view, if not from a political - opinion? from an economic point of view, if not from a political point. view, if not from a political point of view, i would have to put my weight behind rishi sunak. this is not a time to take economic risks with the economy and certainly a major cut in taxes would bring big risks. it would be a contribution to inflation and fight against what the bank of england is trying to do to control inflation and it would add to the debt and the debt service cost in the future.—

to the debt and the debt service cost in the future. patrick manford the economist _ cost in the future. patrick manford the economist who _ cost in the future. patrick manford the economist who was _ cost in the future. patrick manford the economist who was in - cost in the future. patrick manford the economist who was in favour. cost in the future. patrick manford| the economist who was in favour of brexit agrees with the foreign secretary and says that lower taxes are essential because without them, we are choking off growth, why is he wrong in your view? i we are choking off growth, why is he wrong in your view?— wrong in your view? i think one has to look at what _ wrong in your view? i think one has to look at what he _ wrong in your view? i think one has to look at what he means by - wrong in your view? i think one has to look at what he means by lower| to look at what he means by lower taxes. at the moment britain still has some of the lowest taxes within europe. we do not have a high tax situation here. our taxes as a percent of gdp around 35% compared to france at 45% for example. we already have a relatively low tax situation. i think also it is important to remember that consumers are suffering from the cost increases. cutting taxes per se does not help 44% of taxpayers who don't pay any income tax because their taxes are actually below the threshold. it is not a very effective way to deal with

crisis and it does bring real economic risks.— crisis and it does bring real economic risks. ., ., ., economic risks. you would imagine that lans economic risks. you would imagine that plans to _ economic risks. you would imagine that plans to reduce _ economic risks. you would imagine that plans to reduce taxes - economic risks. you would imagine that plans to reduce taxes would i that plans to reduce taxes would require cutting in of ernment expenditure, however patrick said thatis expenditure, however patrick said that is not necessary, just carry on borrowing. we have borrowed so much already, it is only going to be repaid over a very long period of time, so don't worry about it. the uk is in quite _ time, so don't worry about it. the uk is in quite a — time, so don't worry about it. tue: uk is in quite a precarious time, so don't worry about it. tte: uk is in quite a precarious economic situation. this is not time to take these kinds of risks. we've got unions threatening strikes, consumer confidence very low. the pound has been falling, certainly against the dollar, so the international community has a rather dim view of the uk right now and the last thing it needs is to hear that as soon as there is a new leader in place, we are likely to have an increase in debt. rememberwe are likely to have an increase in debt. remember we have to sell some of our debt, a quarter of it, to foreign governments and institutions

and individuals. so they are not interested in buying more of our debt if we do not have a significant and sustainable economic plan in place. and sustainable economic plan in lace. ~ ., , , , place. whoever wins this contest, whoever gets _ place. whoever wins this contest, whoever gets to _ place. whoever wins this contest, whoever gets to implement - place. whoever wins this contest, whoever gets to implement their | whoever gets to implement their policies, what difference is it going to make? are we really going to head off a recession in the autumn? t to head off a recession in the autumn?— to head off a recession in the autumn? ~ , ., ., autumn? i think it is hard to say. personally. _ autumn? i think it is hard to say. personally. i— autumn? i think it is hard to say. personally, i think _ autumn? i think it is hard to say. personally, i think we _ autumn? i think it is hard to say. personally, i think we will - autumn? i think it is hard to say. personally, i think we will have l autumn? i think it is hard to say. personally, i think we will have a shallow recession and the reason is because we actually need to suppress demand in order to bring inflation down. i think everybody agrees inflation is too high now. it is likely to go down next year, but with the labour markets as tight as they are and the constraints that businesses are facing would supply bottlenecks, increase in input costs, we probably are going to have a slowdown, but even a small recession. i would a slowdown, but even a small recession. iwould not a slowdown, but even a small recession. i would not want to compound the problem with having the risk of losing international credibility in the pound. good to

talk to. families across the uk are counting the cost and dealing with the aftermath of losing their homes in wildfires. 15 areas around the uk declared major incidents when the record—breaking heatwave caused fires to break out. laura tra nt reports. what looks like scenes from a hollywood movie are real—life horror stories. across the country, communities, including here in dagenham, are coming to terms with the destruction of the wild fires. gutted, totally gutted. my daughter was born there. i've been there for nearly 27 years. and it's the first house i actually sat down in and settled in, and i'm just totally gobsmacked. i'm gutted. i don't know what i'm going to do now. you don't expect this to happen. you see it on tv, but you don't think it's ever going to happen to your life. down the road in wennington on the eastern edge of london, families are having to cope with the fire damage and having to explain to children

about losing their homes. i waited until i got to my mum's and we knew that my husband was safe, and then i sat down with the children and told them that we'd lost our home. my kids are upset that they've lost their favourite teddy bears that they've had since they was babies, and if my children are feeling that, the other children of the fires in rainham and dagenham yesterday are going to be feeling it too. the charred remains that tell a chilling tale of a nursery in the walnut tree area of milton keynes. but staff say they are determined to rebuild. we are the heart of walnut tree. i've been at the nursery 23 years, so we are the heart, and we will be back, and we will find temporary accommodation in the meantime, which is what we're just dealing with with our parents at the moment. all of the children and staff were safely evacuated from their nursery, but it's a lot for them to take in. some haven't really mentioned anything yet, others are, sort of, more concerned that they can't see their friends,

more than anything, and then others are, you know, just worried because they thought the staff lived at the nursery, bless them! in porlingland in norfolk, housemates patrick and annabel are living amongst the destruction. their house escaped the flames, but the building next to them didn't. in the back of our gardens, it kind of seems like a war zone, to be honest. the police have, kind of, cordoned off the road, as well, making sure people are all right. and there isn't really much in the back, just, kind of... everything is chaotic, really, and you come down in the morning, and you think, "oh, i hope it was a dream," but the reality... yeah. everything was a mess. in boston in lincolnshire, residents spent another night away from their homes after these flats were destroyed. although some flats escaped the worst of the damage, there are questions about how structurally sound they are. we have some kit inside the building, but we won't be able to retrieve

that cos it's not safe to go in and fetch it, and so we have to look at, then, the impact of that on neighbouring buildings, as well. in barnsley in south yorkshire, at least four homes on woodlands drive have been completely demolished by the fires, including dave cooper's parents�* house. there's some personal things that we've lost that were sentimental to us. this was my parents�* house, so, you know... but possessions, they can be replaced. but everybody�*s safe — that's the main thing. everybody�*s safe and everybody�*s well. i think the neighbours have all come together really good. fire brigades across the country are urging people not to light barbecues or bonfires, and to avoid dropping cigarettes. the ground is so dry, the smallest spark can cause a massive fire. laura trant, bbc news. the official inquiry into uk covid—19 inquiry has been launched.

the first witnesses will be called next spring. let's speak, hopefully to the special and four at the world health organization. thank you for hearing with us, what are the priorities for this inquiry and how do you stop it being too unwieldy? the most important thing is to make sure that this inquiry enables britain as a nation and the british people to move ahead on the next steps with covid, because it is still not finished, and to be able to deal with other infectious diseases as they come along. this is an inquiry to help learn how to do it better. it should not be one to blame or find fault.—

blame or find fault. given that it is potentially — blame or find fault. given that it is potentially go _ blame or find fault. given that it is potentially go on _ blame or find fault. given that it is potentially go on for - blame or find fault. given that it is potentially go on for years - blame or find fault. given that it is potentially go on for years in l is potentially go on for years in its various sections because it is so far—reaching, so much to look at, how important is it to learn as we go along from the evidence we hear rather than waiting until the end? oh, you are so right. i've been looking at a lot of different inquiries into the covid response around the world and most of them are designed for continuous learning. they have built into them moments where the inquiry chairs and the members of the boards feedback to the public, feedback to the media to the public, feedback to the media to explain what they are finding. and they should be, i believe, the spirits of all inquiries, after all, we are still dealing with covid. it has not gone away. and we need to be learning while doing. t has not gone away. and we need to be learning while doing.— learning while doing. i would like to come onto _ learning while doing. i would like to come onto where _ learning while doing. i would like to come onto where we - learning while doing. i would like to come onto where we are - learning while doing. i would like to come onto where we are with | learning while doing. i would like - to come onto where we are with covid in just to come onto where we are with covid injust a moment, to come onto where we are with covid injusta moment, but to come onto where we are with covid in just a moment, but to finish on

the inquiry, what do we know already before they even start hearing witnesses?— before they even start hearing witnesses? , ., ., ~ ., witnesses? first of all, we know that whatever _ witnesses? first of all, we know that whatever system _ witnesses? first of all, we know that whatever system you - witnesses? first of all, we know that whatever system you have l witnesses? first of all, we know. that whatever system you have got for dealing with covid has to be able to cope with uncertainty. and there has been a lot of on tolerance —— intolerance of people everywhere because there were so much we did not know about the virus at the beginning and had to keep changing our position. secondly, we have to cope with the fact that there is a long—term impact of covid, called long covid and we do not know how serious that is going to be. we have already learned, dealing with uncertainties is critical and being able to deal with the long—term implications of covid is key and i would say that these are two essential starting point for the inquiry chair to hold in her thinking as she moves forward. $5

thinking as she moves forward. as you said, we are still dealing with covid, new variants are cropping up and some are unpleasant. we have reached 200,000 deaths, tens of thousands of those saints vaccinations were introduced. what measures do you believe we might need to consider reintroducing? the most need to consider reintroducing? "tt2 most important need to consider reintroducing? tt2 most important thing about this virus is that it is not going away and it comes back in surges every two or three months. and the surges are often driven by new variants and we don't know in advance what the variants are going to do. as you just said, the current variance because pretty unpleasant illness and they are very transmissible and they are responsible for lots of absenteeism right now. i am not personally keen to see mandates reintroduced. and i certainly do not want to imply that lockdowns have to

come back again. what matters right now is integrated action at the local level to work out with all the different groups involved what is the most sensible way to keep society going, to keep people in employment while at the same time reducing the risk of long covid and reducing the risk of long covid and reducing the risk of long covid and reducing the likelihood of absenteeism? local, integrated, people centred thinking and action is the key now. and most important, do not dismiss it. it is still here and it is still horrible. tt do not dismiss it. it is still here and it is still horrible.— and it is still horrible. it really is, i can vouch _ and it is still horrible. it really is, i can vouch for— and it is still horrible. it really is, i can vouch for it. - and it is still horrible. it really is, i can vouch for it. i- and it is still horrible. it really is, i can vouch for it. i can - and it is still horrible. it really| is, i can vouch for it. i can hear ou, is, i can vouch for it. i can hear you. you _ is, i can vouch for it. i can hear you. you are — is, i can vouch for it. i can hear you, you are talking _ is, i can vouch for it. i can hear you, you are talking about - is, i can vouch for it. i can hear you, you are talking about it i is, i can vouch for it. i can hear. you, you are talking about it like someone who has had a very bad bout with it. ., ~ , ., , someone who has had a very bad bout with it. ., ~ i. , . someone who has had a very bad bout with it. ., ~ , . ., with it. thank you very much always aood to with it. thank you very much always good to talk — with it. thank you very much always good to talk to _ with it. thank you very much always good to talk to you. _ with it. thank you very much always good to talk to you. the _ with it. thank you very much always good to talk to you. the head i with it. thank you very much always good to talk to you. the head of- with it. thank you very much always| good to talk to you. the head of m16 has described the invasion of ukraine as the most egregious actions at the second world war. he

says he believes the russian campaign is slowing down. t says he believes the russian campaign is slowing down. i think the are campaign is slowing down. i think they are about — campaign is slowing down. i think they are about to _ campaign is slowing down. i think they are about to run _ campaign is slowing down. i think they are about to run out - campaign is slowing down. i think they are about to run out of i campaign is slowing down. i think i they are about to run out of steam, our assessment is that the russians will find it difficult to supply manpower, material over the next few weeks. they will have to pause in some way and that will give the ukrainians opportunities to strike back. the morale is still high, there is starting to receive increasing amounts of good weaponry. our security correspondent is is aspen —— is in aspen. ukrainians might be forgiven for thinking that russia are not running out of steam at all. on what basis is richer moore saying this? this at all. on what basis is richer moore saying this?— at all. on what basis is richer moore saying this? this is his intelligence _ moore saying this? this is his intelligence assessment. i moore saying this? this is his intelligence assessment. hel intelligence assessment. he described the gains that russia has had has been tiny. not necessarily significant and his view is that will read some kind of culmination

point, a limit soon. and then the question is whether the ukrainians can strike back. i think his message was it is important for the ukrainians to strike back, there is an opportunity there. it does not mean that they will be able to take it, part of it will depend on if they get enough support and weaponry from the west. his view was it's important for morale, notjust in ukraine but in europe to show that the ukrainians were able in some way to push back at this crucial moment, particularly ahead of what he described as a difficult winter with potentially gas shortages in europe. the notion that ukraine was not losing was important for the long run, he was saying, potentially to win or at the very least to put ukraine in a stronger negotiating position at some later date. aha, tat position at some later date. a lot of talk about _ position at some later date. a lot of talk about vladimir _ position at some later date. a lot of talk about vladimir putin being ill, and he says no not even at all. yes he has said that. yesterday we

heard the cia director who was asked about this and he actuallyjoked that putin looked to healthy and that putin looked to healthy and that there was no sign of mental or physical instability. he suggested that the russian leader had been stewing in a sense of grievance and insecurity. a lot of focus on russia and ukraine, but also the extent to which china is watching what happens in ukraine and with russia as it tries to work out what it might do over taiwan and clearly the message sending from the intelligent sheaths here to say to china, do not underestimate the risks of what an invasion could mean. certainly a lot of focus on trying to maintain western unity over ukraine in the months ahead where there is an acknowledgement that that could get harder. ., ~' , ., , acknowledgement that that could get harder. ., ~ , ., , . acknowledgement that that could get harder. ., , . harder. thank you very much. doctors sa that harder. thank you very much. doctors

say that they — harder. thank you very much. doctors say that they have _ harder. thank you very much. doctors say that they have been _ harder. thank you very much. doctors say that they have been able - harder. thank you very much. doctors say that they have been able to i harder. thank you very much. doctors say that they have been able to cure l say that they have been able to cure people with haemophilia be. details have been published in the new england journal of medicine. were going to speak to a professor about this. let's speak now with pratima chowdary, who's professor of haemophilia and haemostasis atucl. sh's also the centre director at katie haemophilia and thrombosis centre. are you putting yourself out of a job by this extraordinary discovery? i think we have made remarkable progress in this area. when i started it used to take 1—2 hours. and now we have so many choices that we are able to better manage the disease and therefore i said maybe i need to look for a newjob in a few years time. i think we are a long way away for providing a cure across all age groups. i think the paper that we publish is mainly about adults. we still have not tried gene

therapy in children or adolescents. it is going to be expensive as well. how prohibitive might that be? that how prohibitive might that be? git this point in time, we don't really have value for that. across the uk and europe there is intense discussions happening in terms of how we are going to cost this, what is the price of this treatment? should we do it where you pay per year? because the effects last for many years. we don't really know how long the treatment last, five, ten or more than ten years? i don't think anybody has come to a decision as to how best to price the therapy or what the value of the treatment is. one thing i would add is that in addition to the immediate impact in terms of disease control, what we know about gene therapy is it decreases the treatment rather

substantially. for example, with haemophilia be, we know that modern treatment patients need to self infuse about once a week. and some twice a week. but they need to do this every week of their life for the duration of their life. and they also need to take precautions with sports before going to clubs and other activities where there is a risk of injury. i think the aim of gene therapy is to take away the stressors and strains of daily living so that the patients are able to come into their own professional and personal life. abs, to come into their own professional and personal life.— to come into their own professional and personal life. a small number of --eole and personal life. a small number of people have — and personal life. a small number of people have benefited _ and personal life. a small number of people have benefited from - and personal life. a small number of people have benefited from this i and personal life. a small number of people have benefited from this and| people have benefited from this and what have they said when they realise it has worked? t what have they said when they realise it has worked?- what have they said when they realise it has worked? i think we have to remember _ realise it has worked? i think we have to remember that - realise it has worked? i think we have to remember that it - realise it has worked? i think we have to remember that it does l realise it has worked? i think we l have to remember that it does not work for everybody to mac we have had many successes but there are some failures as well. for those that it works for, they feel like

they have more time. they think it is no longer entering into their thought process in terms of risk assessment. like in london how we think about the weather, should i take the umbrella or not how will i manage for the day? i think patients are having a similar kind of risk assessment. and now they have a lot of free time on their hands, they don't have to think about their haemophilia. most of them are delighted. haemophilia. most of them are deliahted. ., g haemophilia. most of them are deliahted. . ~ i. haemophilia. most of them are deliahted. ., ~' i. , haemophilia. most of them are deliahted. ., ~' , . haemophilia. most of them are deliahted. ., g , . ., delighted. thank you very much for talkin: to delighted. thank you very much for talking to us- _ delighted. thank you very much for talking to us. a _ delighted. thank you very much for talking to us. a bit _ delighted. thank you very much for talking to us. a bit of _ delighted. thank you very much for talking to us. a bit of breaking i talking to us. a bit of breaking news before we go, the parole board has said that the first prisoner... will get more on that no doubt later

here. it's been a bit of a cooler and fresher feeling day out there today. we've had a few splashes of rain around, not too many, we can really do with the rain fall apart certain places. extensive cloud. this was the scene taken by one of our weather watchers. the scene taken by one of our weatherwatchers. it the scene taken by one of our weather watchers. it is still very dry. through the rest of this evening and overnight, many places staying dry with a fair amount of cloud. later in the night the cloud will produce a few heavy showers through central parts of england and. still very muggy in the south, 17 degrees. scotland and northern ireland down to 11 or 12 to start the day tomorrow. tomorrow will bring heavy showers across parts of england, wales and southern scotland. temperatures here up to about 23 degrees. in aberdeen only about 23 degrees. in aberdeen only about 15 degrees with an onshore breeze. looking further ahead towards the weekend, we will see low

pressure moving into the north and northwest, bringing showers here, but no useful rainfall in the forecast for the south where it will be warming up closer to 30 degrees by sunday. hopefuls begin six weeks of campaigning. rishi sunak was the favourite among his fellow tory mps but now he's got to woo party members. liz truss says she'll do that by making a break from the policies followed by mr sunak and chancellors before him. for the past two decades, there's been a consensus on our economic policy and it hasn't delivered economic growth. so do their economoic plans add up? we'll report what independent analysts are saying. also on the programme... the bbc offers an apology and a big payout to princes william and harry's nanny over false claims made about her private life.

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