the first rough draft of history, and steve richards began his career as a westminster correspondentjust as margaret thatcher was ending hers. his blog is called rock and rolls politics, his most recent book about the talented politicians who failed to make it to number ten. you could see attempts, attempts to move on from thatcherism. you know, theresa may talked about the good that government can do in the state can do. borisjohnson occasionally put the case for higher public

spending. nave got better with two people, claiming the thatcherite mantle. in very different ways. so it is a battle on the right of the tory party. the focus is on tax cuts. when is the debate but not should there be. there is no focus on the role of the state as demands on the role of the state as demands on the role of the state as demands on the state are growing. and so it is a return to that sort of 1980s thatcherism, that very erratically the tory party have been trying to move away from. thatcherism incidentally, absolutely a product of its time. the late 70s and early 80s. not the situation we are in now. but she cast a spell over its membership. at least two candidates. and it is a very narrow contest, in that respect. you were reporting from london when margaret thatcher was prime minister. as steve rightly says, circumstances are different

but the debate is over notjust taxation and the fact we've got the highest tax burdens. therefore that is something that she is trying to yank out, it would appear. orat is trying to yank out, it would appear. or at least that might be her attempt. whether that is the sensible thing to do, i don't know, for the simple reason that people seem to think that wishes to enact approach of trying to reduce the state debt before lowering taxes. any tax rises will probably not be before at least the end of next

year. before at least the end of next ear. . , ., ., �* ., year. except that he won't give tax cuts straightaway _ year. except that he won't give tax cuts straightaway because - year. except that he won't give tax cuts straightaway because he - year. except that he won't give tax| cuts straightaway because he needs to recover the money that has been spent and therefore the government debt has grown exponentially. that said, i think people, though they think that that may be the more more sensible thing to do, but clearly the populist line is cut taxes now and that seems to be playing out as of now reasonably well with the membership, the rank—and—file of the conservative party. i membership, the rank-and-file of the conservative party.— conservative party. i want to push back about _ conservative party. i want to push back about this _ conservative party. i want to push back about this margaret - conservative party. i want to push back about this margaret thatcher was the _ back about this margaret thatcher was the past thing. i think they still playing out the drama of her defenestration. if you look at what brexit _ defenestration. if you look at what brexit is — defenestration. if you look at what brexit is. brexit is a direct product _ brexit is. brexit is a direct product of, i mean, iwas brexit is. brexit is a direct product of, i mean, i was a journalist _ product of, i mean, i was a journalist here in the late 805 and early— journali5t here in the late 805 and early 90s— journali5t here in the late 805 and early 905 as well. i mean, europe

was the _ early 905 as well. i mean, europe was the issue that split the conservative party apart and the anti—europeans and she was their figurehead. had neverforgiven anti—europeans and she was their figurehead. had never forgiven her. in fact, _ figurehead. had never forgiven her. in fact, you — figurehead. had never forgiven her. in fact, you keep wa5 figurehead. had never forgiven her. in fact, you keep was formed by conservative politician5 in fact, you keep was formed by conservative politicians are thought to con5ervative politicians are thought to major— conservative politicians are thought to major wa5 conservative politicians are thought to major was not being a good thatcherite. you still have this obedience. i tweeted la5t thatcherite. you still have this obedience. i tweeted last week but did obedience. itweeted last week but did not— obedience. i tweeted last week but did not be — obedience. i tweeted last week but did not be simpler to someday have a seance, _ did not be simpler to someday have a seance, get _ did not be simpler to someday have a 5eance, get all the conservative party— 5eance, get all the conservative party around, summon the spirit of margaret— party around, summon the spirit of margaret thatcher and you can have a nice discussion but can we actually be legislating for the 215t—century? i'm not— be legislating for the 215t—century? i'm not sure they really are there. and she _ i'm not sure they really are there. and she still casts a spell on the conservative _ and she still casts a spell on the conservative party— and she still casts a spell on the conservative party change - and she still casts a spell on the conservative party change with i and she still casts a spell on the . conservative party change with her ieadershiu — conservative party change with her ieadershiu it— conservative party change with her leadership. it became _ conservative party change with her leadership. it became much- conservative party change with her leadership. it became much morel leadership. it became much more ideological— leadership. it became much more ideological and _ leadership. it became much more ideological and you _ leadership. it became much more ideological and you are _ leadership. it became much morej ideological and you are absolutely i’i l ht ideological and you are absolutely right but — ideological and you are absolutely right but you _ ideological and you are absolutely right but you do. _ ideological and you are absolutely right but you do, every— ideological and you are absolutely right but you do, every now- ideological and you are absolutely right but you do, every now and l right but you do, every now and again. _ right but you do, every now and again. see _ right but you do, every now and again, see kind— right but you do, every now and again, see kind of— right but you do, every now and again, see kind of very- right but you do, every now and again, see kind of very erratic l again, 5ee kind of very erratic attempts— again, see kind of very erratic attempts to _ again, see kind of very erratic attempts to move _ again, see kind of very erratic attempts to move on - again, see kind of very erratic attempts to move on and - again, see kind of very erratic - attempts to move on and address the demands— attempts to move on and address the demands of—

attempts to move on and address the demands of now— attempts to move on and address the demands of now rather _ attempts to move on and address the demands of now rather than - attempts to move on and address the demands of now rather than the - demands of now rather than the demands— demands of now rather than the demands of— demands of now rather than the demands of 79 _ demands of now rather than the demands of 79 but _ demands of now rather than the demands of 79 but she - demands of now rather than the demands of 79 but she is- demands of now rather than the demands of 79 but she is there i demands of 79 but she is there absolutely _ demands of 79 but she is there absolutely-— absolutely. other things have chanced absolutely. other things have changed as — absolutely. other things have changed as well. _ absolutely. other things have changed as well. the - absolutely. other things have - changed as well. the conservative press _ changed as well. the conservative press has — changed as well. the conservative press has become much more hard—line and much _ press has become much more hard—line and much less— press has become much more hard—line and much less interested in journalism and now it is all opinion all the _ journalism and now it is all opinion all the time — journalism and now it is all opinion all the time. just talking about where — all the time. just talking about where she soon, right? i can remember— where she soon, right? i can remember manya time where she soon, right? i can remember many a time where the daily telegraph— remember many a time where the daily telegraph the daily mail would be talking _ telegraph the daily mail would be talking about chancellor that wishes to nak _ talking about chancellor that wishes to nak putting up taxes now so that he could _ to nak putting up taxes now so that he could have a big tax—cutting budget— he could have a big tax—cutting budget six months before the next general— budget six months before the next general election. the conservatives wouid _ general election. the conservatives wouid win— general election. the conservatives would win and they could just roll over their— would win and they could just roll over their mandate. that is what wishes _ over their mandate. that is what wishes to— over their mandate. that is what wishes to nak i5 over their mandate. that is what wishes to nak is proposing, isn't it? ., , , ., wishes to nak is proposing, isn't it? .,, , it? you see, it is a topsy-turvy contest _ it? you see, it is a topsy-turvy contest he — it? you see, it is a topsy-turvy contest. he is _ it? you see, it is a topsy-turvy contest. he is the _ it? you see, it is a topsy-turvy contest. he is the thatcherite. j it? you see, it is a topsy-turvy - contest. he is the thatcherite. she used _ contest. he is the thatcherite. she used to— contest. he is the thatcherite. she used to go— contest. he is the thatcherite. she used to go around _ contest. he is the thatcherite. she used to go around saying - contest. he is the thatcherite. she used to go around saying you've i contest. he is the thatcherite. shel used to go around saying you've got to balance _ used to go around saying you've got to balance the — used to go around saying you've got to balance the books. _ used to go around saying you've got to balance the books. my— used to go around saying you've got to balance the books. my father- to balance the books. my father owned _ to balance the books. my father owned a — to balance the books. my father owned a shop— to balance the books. my father owned a shop in— to balance the books. my father owned a shop in grantham - to balance the books. my fatheri owned a shop in grantham never to balance the books. my father- owned a shop in grantham never spent more _

owned a shop in grantham never spent more than _ owned a shop in grantham never spent more than he _ owned a shop in grantham never spent more than he earned _ owned a shop in grantham never spent more than he earned and _ owned a shop in grantham never spent more than he earned and that- owned a shop in grantham never spent more than he earned and that is- more than he earned and that is basicaiiy— more than he earned and that is basically what _ more than he earned and that is basically what you're _ more than he earned and that is basically what you're saying. - more than he earned and that i5| basically what you're saying. but more than he earned and that is- basically what you're saying. but he is being _ basically what you're saying. but he is being attacked _ basically what you're saying. but he is being attacked by— basically what you're saying. but he is being attacked by those - basically what you're saying. but he is being attacked by those who - is being attacked by those who regard — is being attacked by those who regard themselves _ is being attacked by those who regard themselves as - is being attacked by those who regard themselves as the - is being attacked by those who - regard themselves as the committed thatcherites, — regard themselves as the committed thatcherites, jacob _ regard themselves as the committed thatcherites, jacob rees—mogg - regard themselves as the committed thatcherites, jacob rees—mogg andl thatcherites, jacob rees—mogg and people _ thatcherites, jacob rees—mogg and people like — thatcherites, jacob rees—mogg and people like that, _ thatcherites, jacob rees—mogg and people like that, as— thatcherites, jacob rees—mogg and people like that, as a _ thatcherites, jacob rees—mogg and people like that, as a socialist, - people like that, as a socialist, though— people like that, as a socialist, though he _ people like that, as a socialist, though he is— people like that, as a socialist, though he is actually— people like that, as a socialist, though he is actually being - people like that, as a socialist, though he is actually being the | though he is actually being the balance — though he is actually being the balance the _ though he is actually being the balance the books _ though he is actually being the balance the books don't - though he is actually being the balance the books don't put. though he is actually being the balance the books don't put up though he is actually being the - balance the books don't put up taxes until you _ balance the books don't put up taxes until you can— balance the books don't put up taxes until you can pay— balance the books don't put up taxes until you can pay for— balance the books don't put up taxes until you can pay for them. - balance the books don't put up taxes until you can pay for them. he - balance the books don't put up taxes until you can pay for them. he might be wrong _ until you can pay for them. he might be wrong about — until you can pay for them. he might be wrong about all— until you can pay for them. he might be wrong about all these _ until you can pay for them. he might be wrong about all these things - until you can pay for them. he might be wrong about all these things but. be wrong about all these things but it is the _ be wrong about all these things but it is the thatcherite _ be wrong about all these things but it is the thatcherite view. _ be wrong about all these things but it is the thatcherite view. she, - be wrong about all these things but it is the thatcherite view. she, liz i it is the thatcherite view. she, liz truss. _ it is the thatcherite view. she, liz truss. is _ it is the thatcherite view. she, liz truss. is stuck— it is the thatcherite view. she, liz truss, is stuck in— it is the thatcherite view. she, liz truss, is stuck in that _ it is the thatcherite view. she, liz truss, is stuck in that sort - it is the thatcherite view. she, liz truss, is stuck in that sort of - truss, is stuck in that sort of reaganite _ truss, is stuck in that sort of reaganite view— truss, is stuck in that sort of reaganite view that - truss, is stuck in that sort of reaganite view that let - truss, is stuck in that sort of reaganite view that let you i truss, is stuck in that sort of - reaganite view that let you borrow to cut _ reaganite view that let you borrow to cut taxes — reaganite view that let you borrow to cut taxes and _ reaganite view that let you borrow to cut taxes and the _ reaganite view that let you borrow to cut taxes and the deficit - reaganite view that let you borrow to cut taxes and the deficit doesn't really _ to cut taxes and the deficit doesn't really matter— to cut taxes and the deficit doesn't really matter much. _ to cut taxes and the deficit doesn't really matter much. f _ to cut taxes and the deficit doesn't really matter much. f and - to cut taxes and the deficit doesn't really matter much. f and we - to cut taxes and the deficit doesn't really matter much. f and we can. to cut taxes and the deficit doesn't i really matter much. f and we can pay back over— really matter much. f and we can pay back over many — really matter much. f and we can pay back over many decades. _ really matter much. f and we can pay back over many decades. ._ really matter much. f and we can pay back over many decades. . that - really matter much. f and we can pay back over many decades. . that is - back over many decades. . that is where _ back over many decades. . that is where they— back over many decades. . that is where they are _ back over many decades. . that is where they are but _ back over many decades. . that is where they are but that _ back over many decades. . that is where they are but that is - back over many decades. . that is where they are but that is not - back over many decades. . that i5| where they are but that is not how the party— where they are but that is not how the party season~ _ where they are but that is not how the party season-— where they are but that is not how the party season. rishi sooner has declared himself _ the party season. rishi sooner has declared himself to _ the party season. rishi sooner has declared himself to be _ the party season. rishi sooner has declared himself to be a _ the party season. rishi sooner has. declared himself to be a thatcherite economist, if you like, whereas efficiently liz truss hasn't but where i think liz truss has played

the popular line is by saying that i will cut taxes now and the other thing of course is about her ideological inconsistency over a long period of time. she moved from the lib dems to the liberal wing, if you like. the lib dems to the liberal wing, if ou like. ., , , ., the lib dems to the liberal wing, if you like-_ of - the lib dems to the liberal wing, if you like._ of the . you like. socially liberal. of the conservative _ you like. socially liberal. of the conservative party. _ you like. socially liberal. of the conservative party. and - you like. socially liberal. of the conservative party. and now i you like. socially liberal. of the | conservative party. and now her latest position seems to be valid to the right so she has moved quite a lot and appears to be a little flaky in her position.— in her position. isn't this what ha--ens in her position. isn't this what happens in — in her position. isn't this what happens in primaries - in her position. isn't this what happens in primaries in - in her position. isn't this what happens in primaries in the i in her position. isn't this what l happens in primaries in the us. in her position. isn't this what - happens in primaries in the us. he attacked the activists, un with the activists and then you slowly move toward a broader position which allows you to bring in more voters. you don't need to bring in more voters _ you don't need to bring in more voters in — you don't need to bring in more voters in this particular contest put up — voters in this particular contest put up as— voters in this particular contest put up as one of the smalljoys of living _ put up as one of the smalljoys of living in— put up as one of the smalljoys of living in a — put up as one of the smalljoys of living in a one—party state. if you

can't _ living in a one—party state. if you can't get — living in a one—party state. if you can't get it— living in a one—party state. if you can't get it right the first time, david — can't get it right the first time, david cameron or theresa may or then borisjohnson, cameron and johnson boris johnson, cameron and johnson are borisjohnson, cameron and johnson are beginner personalities for the 'ob. are beginner personalities for the job ~_ are beginner personalities for the job ~ it— are beginner personalities for the job. . itju5t feels like it. i don't. _ job. . itju5t feels like it. i don't. i_ job. . itju5t feels like it. i don't, i don't. job. . itjust feels like it. i don't, i don't.— job. . itjust feels like it. i don't, i don't. this is the third conservative _ don't, i don't. this is the third conservative prime _ don't, i don't. this is the third conservative prime minister i don't, i don't. this is the third | conservative prime minister to don't, i don't. this is the third - conservative prime minister to be selected — conservative prime minister to be selected alone _ conservative prime minister to be selected alone by _ conservative prime minister to be selected alone by the _ conservative prime minister to be selected alone by the party - selected alone by the party membership— selected alone by the party membership and— selected alone by the party membership and the - selected alone by the party membership and the rest l selected alone by the partyl membership and the rest of selected alone by the party - membership and the rest of the electorate — membership and the rest of the electorate is _ membership and the rest of the electorate is excluded - membership and the rest of the electorate is excluded at - membership and the rest of the electorate is excluded at this i electorate is excluded at this junction _ electorate is excluded at this “unction. , , electorate is excluded at this 'unction., , .,, .,, electorate is excluded at this “unction. , ., , junction. just as it was when tony blair was replaced _ junction. just as it was when tony blair was replaced by _ junction. just as it was when tony blair was replaced by gordon - junction. just as it was when tony i blair was replaced by gordon brown. in a quite compressed space. it wasn't — in a quite compressed space. it wasn't the _ in a quite compressed space. it wasn't the story that blair and brown — wasn't the story that blair and brown had a pack. after the third electoral— brown had a pack. after the third electoral victory. having made that pact, _ electoral victory. having made that pact, he _ electoral victory. having made that pact, he honoured it. this was something _ pact, he honoured it. this was something entirely different. it feels _ something entirely different. it feels frankly wrong that you can, in

seven— feels frankly wrong that you can, in seven years — feels frankly wrong that you can, in seven years so compress and much less run— seven years so compress and much less run a _ seven years so compress and much less run a country. it is seven years so compress and much less run a country.— less run a country. it is very interesting _ less run a country. it is very interesting that _ less run a country. it is very interesting that you - less run a country. it is very i interesting that you mentioned less run a country. it is very - interesting that you mentioned the last time _ interesting that you mentioned the last time this — interesting that you mentioned the last time this happened _ interesting that you mentioned the last time this happened under- interesting that you mentioned the last time this happened under a i last time this happened under a labour— last time this happened under a labour government— last time this happened under a labour government gordon i last time this happened under a i labour government gordon brown almost _ labour government gordon brown almost insisted _ labour government gordon brown almost insisted there _ labour government gordon brown almost insisted there were - labour government gordon brown almost insisted there were no- labour government gordon brown i almost insisted there were no other candidates — almost insisted there were no other candidates and _ almost insisted there were no other candidates and it _ almost insisted there were no other candidates and it looked _ almost insisted there were no other candidates and it looked very - almost insisted there were no other candidates and it looked very odd. i candidates and it looked very odd. it candidates and it looked very odd. it was _ candidates and it looked very odd. it wasjust— candidates and it looked very odd. it wasjust him~ _ candidates and it looked very odd. it was just him. you _ candidates and it looked very odd. it wasjust him. you can— candidates and it looked very odd. it wasjust him. you can see - candidates and it looked very odd. it wasjust him. you can see now. candidates and it looked very odd. i it wasjust him. you can see now why he did _ it wasjust him. you can see now why he did it _ it wasjust him. you can see now why he did it it— it wasjust him. you can see now why he did it it is— it wasjust him. you can see now why he did it. it is really— it wasjust him. you can see now why he did it. it is really dangerous - he did it. it is really dangerous when, — he did it. it is really dangerous when, for— he did it. it is really dangerous when, for a _ he did it. it is really dangerous when, for a governing - he did it. it is really dangerous when, for a governing party, . he did it. it is really dangerous i when, for a governing party, when the door— when, for a governing party, when the door is— when, for a governing party, when the door is and _ when, for a governing party, when the door is and what _ when, for a governing party, when the door is and what happens- when, for a governing party, when . the door is and what happens behind the door is and what happens behind the scenes— the door is and what happens behind the scenes and — the door is and what happens behind the scenes and we _ the door is and what happens behind the scenes and we have _ the door is and what happens behind the scenes and we have moments i the door is and what happens behind the scenes and we have moments ofj the scenes and we have moments of public— the scenes and we have moments of public debates — the scenes and we have moments of public debates when _ the scenes and we have moments of public debates when rishi _ the scenes and we have moments of public debates when rishi sooner. the scenes and we have moments ofl public debates when rishi sooner and liz truss— public debates when rishi sooner and liz truss are — public debates when rishi sooner and liz truss are arguing _ public debates when rishi sooner and liz truss are arguing over _ liz truss are arguing over fundamental— liz truss are arguing over fundamental tax - liz truss are arguing over fundamental tax policy i liz truss are arguing over fundamental tax policy in | liz truss are arguing over. fundamental tax policy in a liz truss are arguing over - fundamental tax policy in a way liz truss are arguing over _ fundamental tax policy in a way that breaks _ fundamental tax policy in a way that breaks the _ fundamental tax policy in a way that breaks the spell— fundamental tax policy in a way that breaks the spell about _ fundamental tax policy in a way that breaks the spell about cabinet - fundamental tax policy in a way that breaks the spell about cabinet unity| breaks the spell about cabinet unity and it— breaks the spell about cabinet unity and it is— breaks the spell about cabinet unity and it is very— breaks the spell about cabinet unity and it is very hard _ breaks the spell about cabinet unity and it is very hard to— breaks the spell about cabinet unity and it is very hard to once - breaks the spell about cabinet unity and it is very hard to once the - and it is very hard to once the spell— and it is very hard to once the spell is— and it is very hard to once the spell is broken— and it is very hard to once the spell is broken but— and it is very hard to once the spell is broken but the - and it is very hard to once the spell is broken but the geniel and it is very hard to once the i spell is broken but the genie back in the _ spell is broken but the genie back in the bottle _ spell is broken but the genie back in the bottle. there _ spell is broken but the genie back in the bottle. there will— spell is broken but the genie back in the bottle. there will be - spell is broken but the genie back in the bottle. there will be manyl in the bottle. there will be many consequences _

in the bottle. there will be many consequences.— in the bottle. there will be many consequences. what he referred to uuite write consequences. what he referred to quite write the _ consequences. what he referred to quite write the is _ consequences. what he referred to quite write the is gordon _ consequences. what he referred to quite write the is gordon brown i consequences. what he referred to| quite write the is gordon brown put my turn came after a decade. it was not something which happened in quick succession. lets not something which happened in quick succession.— quick succession. lets talk about what these _ quick succession. lets talk about what these two _ quick succession. lets talk about what these two may _ quick succession. lets talk about what these two may or _ quick succession. lets talk about what these two may or may i quick succession. lets talk about what these two may or may not i quick succession. lets talk about i what these two may or may not mean for the rest of the world. insofar as britain matters and the rest of the world. just on this question of liz truss's position on the economics there will be a lot of places around the world where suspect the united states will be one of them were her critique of the way the global economy is operated of the last 20 years will resonate. not least over the impact of globalisation. a lot of people have been failed by the process of globalisation. could she actually be quite a useful figure? globalisation. could she actually be quite a usefulfigure? get back in the moment at us i do think anyone is paying attention. i never going to come onto these later in the programme but the pivot towards china and wondering how to play china and wondering how to play china and wondering how to play china and anticipate the next 20 to

30 years really does worry everybody in washington as far as i can tell plus there is the own internal prompt and this past week that january sit committee is wrapped up its hearings and people are having to just deal with the fact that the us is both looking towards china but internally society such a mess, even if borisjohnson said told america close. i think it is our reminder that no matter what is happening domestically in america don't lose sight of it. i don't think whoever emerges from this is going to make. just in the china question liz truss has talked the talk, hasn't she? she said we will be there of china

invades taiwan. the british will be there supporting taiwan. she invades taiwan. the british will be there supporting taiwan.— invades taiwan. the british will be there supporting taiwan. she has a compulsive — there supporting taiwan. she has a compulsive street _ there supporting taiwan. she has a compulsive street which _ there supporting taiwan. she has a compulsive street which is - there supporting taiwan. she has a compulsive street which is quite i compulsive street which is quite dangerous _ compulsive street which is quite dangerous it— compulsive street which is quite dangerous. if you _ compulsive street which is quite dangerous. if you remember- compulsive street which is quite dangerous. if you remember ati compulsive street which is quite i dangerous. if you remember at the beginning _ dangerous. if you remember at the beginning of— dangerous. if you remember at the beginning of the _ dangerous. if you remember at the beginning of the russian _ dangerous. if you remember at the beginning of the russian invasion l dangerous. if you remember at the i beginning of the russian invasion of ukraine _ beginning of the russian invasion of ukraine she — beginning of the russian invasion of ukraine she gave _ beginning of the russian invasion of ukraine she gave an _ beginning of the russian invasion of ukraine she gave an interview- beginning of the russian invasion of ukraine she gave an interview that i ukraine she gave an interview that sad afford — ukraine she gave an interview that sad afford to — ukraine she gave an interview that sad afford to know _ ukraine she gave an interview that sad afford to know if _ ukraine she gave an interview that sad afford to know if you _ ukraine she gave an interview that sad afford to know if you want i ukraine she gave an interview that sad afford to know if you want to l ukraine she gave an interview that. sad afford to know if you want to go out there _ sad afford to know if you want to go out there and — sad afford to know if you want to go out there and fight _ sad afford to know if you want to go out there and fight that's _ sad afford to know if you want to go out there and fight that's fine - sad afford to know if you want to go out there and fight that's fine as i out there and fight that's fine as far as _ out there and fight that's fine as far as she — out there and fight that's fine as far as she is— out there and fight that's fine as far as she is concerned. - out there and fight that's fine as far as she is concerned. it - out there and fight that's fine as far as she is concerned. it had . out there and fight that's fine a5| far as she is concerned. it had to be immediately— far as she is concerned. it had to be immediately disowned - far as she is concerned. it had to be immediately disowned by i far as she is concerned. it had to be immediately disowned by the | be immediately disowned by the defence — be immediately disowned by the defence secretary _ be immediately disowned by the defence secretary within - be immediately disowned by the i defence secretary within minutes. and likewise, _ defence secretary within minutes. and likewise, sort— defence secretary within minutes. and likewise, sort of— defence secretary within minutes. and likewise, sort of alarming i and likewise, sort of alarming prospect— and likewise, sort of alarming prospect that, _ and likewise, sort of alarming prospect that, you _ and likewise, sort of alarming prospect that, you know, i and likewise, sort of alarming i prospect that, you know, betting could _ prospect that, you know, betting could get— prospect that, you know, betting could get involved _ prospect that, you know, betting could get involved in _ prospect that, you know, betting could get involved in some - prospect that, you know, betting could get involved in some kind. prospect that, you know, betting. could get involved in some kind of military— could get involved in some kind of military operation— could get involved in some kind of military operation against - could get involved in some kind of military operation against china. l military operation against china. this is— military operation against china. this is kind _ military operation against china. this is kind of, _ military operation against china. this is kind of, you _ military operation against china. this is kind of, you know, - military operation against china. this is kind of, you know, she i military operation against china. i this is kind of, you know, she was interviewed — this is kind of, you know, she was interviewed the _ this is kind of, you know, she was interviewed the other— this is kind of, you know, she was interviewed the other day - this is kind of, you know, she was interviewed the other day about i interviewed the other day about russia — interviewed the other day about russia and _ interviewed the other day about russia and whether _ interviewed the other day about russia and whether she - interviewed the other day about russia and whether she would i russia and whether she would consider— russia and whether she would consider some _ russia and whether she would consider some sort— russia and whether she would consider some sort deeper- russia and whether she would i consider some sort deeper military operation — consider some sort deeper military operation against _ consider some sort deeper military operation against russia _ consider some sort deeper military operation against russia and - consider some sort deeper military operation against russia and she i operation against russia and she said no— operation against russia and she said no without _ operation against russia and she said no without hesitation - operation against russia and she said no without hesitation we i operation against russia and 5he| said no without hesitation we will continue — said no without hesitation we will continue with _ said no without hesitation we will continue with the _ said no without hesitation we will continue with the current - said no without hesitation we will continue with the current policy. i continue with the current policy. but she — continue with the current policy. but she is— continue with the current policy. but she is impulsive _ continue with the current policy. but she is impulsive and - continue with the current policy. but she is impulsive and that. continue with the current policy. but she is impulsive and that isl but she is impulsive and that is potentially _ but she is impulsive and that is potentially quite _ but she is impulsive and that is potentially quite dangerous i but she is impulsive and that is potentially quite dangerous in i but she is impulsive and that is. potentially quite dangerous in the current— potentially quite dangerous in the current unstable _ potentially quite dangerous in the current unstable situation. - potentially quite dangerous in the current unstable situation. me i potentially quite dangerous in the

current unstable situation. we know about rishi sumac's _ current unstable situation. we know about rishi sumac's family - about rishi sumac's family connections to india and for that they are spread he is an interesting figure but what could he mean to the rest of the world? is he likely to take a more collaborative approach let me just say that liz truss's record as minister is quite unremarkable but as far as india is concerned, i think there is great excitement about this leadership contest. it is all over the media, it is on television, it is our newspapers, it is playing out in a very big way. of course, a little too exuberant and they didn't quite understand that 2—stage process. with rishi snack taking the lead, balloting by mps. created enormous excitement but then suddenly reality

has gone. what i have been writing for me has been a minority view because i've been trying to explain this to the past two weeks that this is a 2—stage process but nobody listens. and now i have found that one of the services has said that the prospect does not look very good when it comes to the membership stage of the balloting. so that, i think, has created a bit of a pause but still a bit of excitement. it hasn't gone away. we but still a bit of excitement. it hasn't gone away.— but still a bit of excitement. it hasn't gone away. we should all get excited about _ hasn't gone away. we should all get excited about this _ hasn't gone away. we should all get excited about this deal _ hasn't gone away. we should all get excited about this deal between, . hasn't gone away. we should all get| excited about this deal between, not directly between ukraine and russia but between ukraine and turkey and russia and turkey and the un to at least allow grain exports to happen again. this is hugely significant if

it happens. what you make of that? it was in the works for quite a while — it was in the works for quite a while it— it was in the works for quite a while. it shows how complicated and fragmented that part of the world, the caspian sea, the caspian world has been — the caspian sea, the caspian world has been. russia and around. russia and iran— has been. russia and around. russia and iran have — has been. russia and around. russia and iran have been helping to basically— and iran have been helping to basically destroy syria for more than _ basically destroy syria for more than a — basically destroy syria for more than a decade now. and turkey, which borders— than a decade now. and turkey, which borders syria — than a decade now. and turkey, which borders syria and borders iran, it is almost — borders syria and borders iran, it is almost like other representative and it— is almost like other representative and it is— is almost like other representative and it is incredibly complicated so this deal— and it is incredibly complicated so this deal was confirmed in when vladimir— this deal was confirmed in when vladimir putin went to tehran last week _ vladimir putin went to tehran last week. what else was discussed? can turkey—

week. what else was discussed? can turkey have — week. what else was discussed? can turkey have another incursion into northern _ turkey have another incursion into northern syria to protect its interests _ northern syria to protect its interests in that part of the country— interests in that part of the country which is in the hands of the kurds? _ country which is in the hands of the kurds? and — country which is in the hands of the kurds? and maybe throw some bombs into iraqi _ kurds? and maybe throw some bombs into iraqi kurdistan for top eight or nine — into iraqi kurdistan for top eight or nine people were killed this week and the _ or nine people were killed this week and the text bombed it. what leveraged as the united states have in any— leveraged as the united states have in any of— leveraged as the united states have in any of this? none. because geography is destiny. these are neighbours and they work together and they— neighbours and they work together and they can be utilised to come up with a _ and they can be utilised to come up with a deal— and they can be utilised to come up with a deal like this brokered with the un _ with a deal like this brokered with the un and are divine. we with a deal like this brokered with the un and are divine.— the un and are divine. we talked last week in _ the un and are divine. we talked last week in his _ the un and are divine. we talked last week in his programme - the un and are divine. we talked| last week in his programme about the un and are divine. we talked - last week in his programme about joe last week in his programme aboutjoe biden's visited the middle east and whether it would yield anything and the nervousness in washington about relations between iran, the influence of iran in the region of why that would be a reason for perhaps kind of holding his nose and doing his first with the crown

prince there notwithstanding what he said before about him in saudi arabia. and again turkey, presumably, turkey is part of nato so arguably it is part of the defence against russia. does that make washington nervous? you defence against russia. does that make washington nervous? you have to be careful about _ make washington nervous? you have to be careful about how— make washington nervous? you have to be careful about how you _ make washington nervous? you have to be careful about how you speak- make washington nervous? you have to be careful about how you speak about . be careful about how you speak about him but _ be careful about how you speak about him but he _ be careful about how you speak about him but he is infuriating to washington, to london, to the nato partnership— washington, to london, to the nato partnership when you go back to 2003 when the _ partnership when you go back to 2003 when the us wanted to invade iraq. turkey— when the us wanted to invade iraq. turkey said — when the us wanted to invade iraq. turkey said you can't do it and it has been — turkey said you can't do it and it has been like this now for almost 20 years _ has been like this now for almost 20 years he _ has been like this now for almost 20 years he is— has been like this now for almost 20 years. he is kind of indispensable. i years. he is kind of indispensable. i can— years. he is kind of indispensable. i can have — years. he is kind of indispensable. i can have come back to that point i

was making — i can have come back to that point i was making early about what americans are thinking about anyway. washington and it was cold humanitarian intervention is in for a reason — humanitarian intervention is in for a reason because, in the 15 years when _ a reason because, in the 15 years when america was the sole superpower you could _ when america was the sole superpower you could think about humanitarian human— you could think about humanitarian human rights is not the world we live in— human rights is not the world we live in now — human rights is not the world we live in now. we human rights is not the world we live in now— live in now. we saw it over the miurant live in now. we saw it over the migrant teal — live in now. we saw it over the migrant teal to _ live in now. we saw it over the migrant teal to take _ live in now. we saw it over the migrant teal to take pressure l live in now. we saw it over the l migrant teal to take pressure of europe but it extracted a price. presumably, it will extract a political price from this deal. what political price from this deal. what is most interesting, _ political price from this deal. what is most interesting, when - political price from this deal. what is most interesting, when we awaited to come _ is most interesting, when we awaited to come and — is most interesting, when we awaited to come and there _ is most interesting, when we awaited to come and there was _ is most interesting, when we awaited to come and there was an— is most interesting, when we awaited to come and there was an interview l to come and there was an interview with one _ to come and there was an interview with one of— to come and there was an interview with one of the _ to come and there was an interview with one of the agents _ to come and there was an interview with one of the agents of _ to come and there was an interview with one of the agents of the - to come and there was an interview with one of the agents of the deal. i with one of the agents of the deal. and i_ with one of the agents of the deal. and i think— with one of the agents of the deal. and i think it— with one of the agents of the deal. and i think it was— with one of the agents of the deal.

and i think it was someone - with one of the agents of the deal. and i think it was someone with i and i think it was someone with nato~ _ and i think it was someone with nato~ she — and i think it was someone with nato. she said _ and i think it was someone with nato. she said russia _ and i think it was someone with nato. she said russia benefits. nato. she said russia benefits considerably— nato. she said russia benefits considerably from _ nato. she said russia benefits considerably from this - nato. she said russia benefits considerably from this deal. i nato. she said russia benefits. considerably from this deal. but nato. she said russia benefits- considerably from this deal. but he said we _ considerably from this deal. but he said we need — considerably from this deal. but he said we need the _ considerably from this deal. but he said we need the grain, _ considerably from this deal. but he said we need the grain, basically. i said we need the grain, basically. the world — said we need the grain, basically. the world needs _ said we need the grain, basically. the world needs the _ said we need the grain, basically. the world needs the grain- said we need the grain, basically. the world needs the grain or- said we need the grain, basically. the world needs the grain or elsej the world needs the grain or else there _ the world needs the grain or else there will— the world needs the grain or else there will be _ the world needs the grain or else there will be appalling. _ the world needs the grain or else there will be appalling. and - the world needs the grain or else there will be appalling. and so i the world needs the grain or else. there will be appalling. and so you can see _ there will be appalling. and so you can see how— there will be appalling. and so you can see how this _ there will be appalling. and so you can see how this lavage _ there will be appalling. and so you can see how this lavage plays - there will be appalling. and so you can see how this lavage plays out. there will be appalling. and so youl can see how this lavage plays out in lots of— can see how this lavage plays out in lots of different _ can see how this lavage plays out in lots of different ways _ can see how this lavage plays out in lots of different ways as _ can see how this lavage plays out in lots of different ways as this - can see how this lavage plays out in lots of different ways as this what . lots of different ways as this what seems _ lots of different ways as this what seems to— lots of different ways as this what seems to be, _ lots of different ways as this what seems to be, anyway, _ lots of different ways as this what seems to be, anyway, for- lots of different ways as this what seems to be, anyway, for now, i lots of different ways as this what i seems to be, anyway, for now, the war of— seems to be, anyway, for now, the war of attrition— seems to be, anyway, for now, the war of attrition in _ seems to be, anyway, for now, the war of attrition in ukraine - seems to be, anyway, for now, the war of attrition in ukraine and - seems to be, anyway, for now, the war of attrition in ukraine and i- war of attrition in ukraine and i wonder— war of attrition in ukraine and i wonder whether— war of attrition in ukraine and i wonder whether it— war of attrition in ukraine and i wonder whether it will- war of attrition in ukraine and i wonder whether it will extend i war of attrition in ukraine and ii wonder whether it will extend at some _ wonder whether it will extend at some point— wonder whether it will extend at some point of— wonder whether it will extend at some point of energy. _ wonder whether it will extend at some point of energy. how- wonder whether it will extend at some point of energy. how longj wonder whether it will extend at - some point of energy. how long can the german— some point of energy. how long can the german economy _ some point of energy. how long can the german economy survive - some point of energy. how long can the german economy survive even i some point of energy. how long cani the german economy survive even in this current — the german economy survive even in this currentjuncture _ the german economy survive even in this current juncture of— the german economy survive even in this current juncture of not _ the german economy survive even in this current juncture of not knowing. this current juncture of not knowing where _ this current juncture of not knowing where its _ this current juncture of not knowing where its energy— this current juncture of not knowing where its energy supply _ this current juncture of not knowing where its energy supply is - this current juncture of not knowing where its energy supply is going - this current juncture of not knowing where its energy supply is going to| where its energy supply is going to come _ where its energy supply is going to come from — where its energy supply is going to come from and _ where its energy supply is going to come from and i _ where its energy supply is going to come from and i think— where its energy supply is going to come from and i think that - where its energy supply is going to come from and i think that is - come from and i think that is interesting _ come from and i think that is interesting from _ come from and i think that is interesting from the - come from and i think that is interesting from the hardlinej come from and i think that is l interesting from the hardline it come from and i think that is - interesting from the hardline it is now hold — interesting from the hardline it is now hold on _ interesting from the hardline it is now hold on, we _ interesting from the hardline it is now hold on, we need _ interesting from the hardline it is now hold on, we need the - interesting from the hardline it is now hold on, we need the grain. | interesting from the hardline it is - now hold on, we need the grain. and that signals — now hold on, we need the grain. and that signals a —

now hold on, we need the grain. and that signals a shift, _ now hold on, we need the grain. and that signals a shift, really. _ now hold on, we need the grain. and that signals a shift, really. it- that signals a shift, really. seems good news on paper. that signals a shift, really.- seems good news on paper. it that signals a shift, really— seems good news on paper. it remains to be seen if it is good news on practice. the role of the united nations should not be underestimated in brokering this deal. turkey has a blowhard to blow cold relationship with russia. at the end of it, the two guarantors, if you like, the night nations and turkey because there is no direct deal, no direct deal between russia and ukraine. if this is only a small beginning and one has to go a long way before anything concrete can happen but at the end of the day it means that the russian blockades will be suspended, as far as grain exports will

concerned, the baits will be monitored by turkey to make sure food and nothing is coming out and no weapons are going in. that seems to be the deal for the no weapons are going in. that seems to be the dealfor the moment. as i said, the proof of the pudding will be in the actual practice of the deal. ., ~' be in the actual practice of the deal. ., ,, , _, deal. to think in part this could have come _ deal. to think in part this could have come about _ deal. to think in part this could have come about because - deal. to think in part this could | have come about because some deal. to think in part this could i have come about because some of those countries which had not objected to russia's actions and maintain friendly relations with russia were starting to be heard by the grain shortage. to think in some ways russia may have come under some pressure? ways russia may have come under some ressure? ., �* . ~' ways russia may have come under some ressure? ., �* . ~ . pressure? you're talking about laces pressure? you're talking about places like _ pressure? you're talking about places like egypt _ pressure? you're talking about places like egypt where - pressure? you're talking about places like egypt where the - pressure? you're talking about l places like egypt where the price pressure? you're talking about - places like egypt where the price of bread _ places like egypt where the price of bread is— places like egypt where the price of bread is exponentially higher. i don't _ bread is exponentially higher. i don't know. i think this is an interesting question. i think that there _ interesting question. i think that there is— interesting question. i think that there is a — interesting question. i think that there is a kind of return to playing both sides —

there is a kind of return to playing both sides in the middle east, north africa _ both sides in the middle east, north africa and _ both sides in the middle east, north africa and going down into sub—saharan africa. and the kind of thing _ sub—saharan africa. and the kind of thing we _ sub—saharan africa. and the kind of thing we saw during the cold war except— thing we saw during the cold war except there is nobody who has one or the _ except there is nobody who has one or the other~ — except there is nobody who has one or the other. so you can't be on one team _ or the other. so you can't be on one team and _ or the other. so you can't be on one team. and there is a third player come back to, china. she spent the last 20 _ come back to, china. she spent the last 20 years influencing africa and chinese _ last 20 years influencing africa and chinese companies want to build and all of this— chinese companies want to build and all of this fluidity is there. i think— all of this fluidity is there. i think that i'm going to give mr gutierrez. _ think that i'm going to give mr gutierrez, the head of the un, some credit— gutierrez, the head of the un, some credit for— gutierrez, the head of the un, some credit for being a genuine humanitarian. it is a thanklessjob

and the _ humanitarian. it is a thanklessjob and the un — humanitarian. it is a thanklessjob and the un has been absent in terms of peacekeeping and crisis dealing in the _ of peacekeeping and crisis dealing in the war— of peacekeeping and crisis dealing in the war between russia and ukraine — in the war between russia and ukraine but this is when if it holds — ukraine but this is when if it holds. because it does allow all of this foodstuff and it is notjust wheat~ — this foodstuff and it is notjust wheat. the sunflower oil. i've been in ukraine — wheat. the sunflower oil. i've been in ukraine it— wheat. the sunflower oil. i've been in ukraine. it is sunflowers forever~ _ in ukraine. it is sunflowers forever~ in— in ukraine. it is sunflowers forever. in the sunflower oil, although— forever. in the sunflower oil, although this is necessary for cooking — although this is necessary for cooking in places like africa and the proof— cooking in places like africa and the proof is in the pudding because the proof is in the pudding because the awkwardness of, yes, it has to be guided — the awkwardness of, yes, it has to be guided or to pass the mines that ukraine _ be guided or to pass the mines that ukraine is— be guided or to pass the mines that ukraine is laid to protect itself from _ ukraine is laid to protect itself from a — ukraine is laid to protect itself from a russian invasion of southern ports— from a russian invasion of southern ports and _ from a russian invasion of southern ports and every step of the way and there _ ports and every step of the way and there is— ports and every step of the way and there is the — ports and every step of the way and there is the potential for. | ports and every step of the way and there is the potential for.— there is the potentialfor. i asked there is the potentialfor. i asked the question _ there is the potentialfor. i asked the question we _ there is the potentialfor. i asked the question we are _ there is the potentialfor. i asked the question we are in _ there is the potentialfor. i asked the question we are in danger - there is the potentialfor. i asked the question we are in danger of| there is the potential for. i asked i the question we are in danger of not answering. why did he keep it in waiting for almost a minute in these

heavily choreographed diplomatic events it is quite humiliating. this is art of events it is quite humiliating. this is part of the _ events it is quite humiliating. ti 3 is part of the blow hot blow cold relationship and she also realises putin needs this meeting. he needs to be seen in this international arena with the iranian leader and with so on so he is a very shrewd player. i'm not sure if he's great for the world but.— for the world but. have a good weekend- _ for the world but. have a good weekend. goodbye. _ goodbye. hello, after the extraordinary record breaking heat we had to

contend with early in the week the weekend brings more standard fare. rain at times, quite breezy, warm again towards the south—east corner but not nearly as hot as it was. low pressure is dominating the scene, drifting its way in from the west. frontal systems generating outbreaks of rain. the winds tending to pick up as we go through the next couple of days as well. through the afternoon, cloud and outbreaks of showery rain drifting eastwards across scotland, northern england, north wales, the north midlands. some showery rain for south wales and south—west of england. all the while the south—east and east anglia will hold on to the sunshine and the highest temperatures as well, 26 or 27 degrees. northern ireland perhaps briefly a little bit brighter but as we head into the evening we will see a pulse of very heavy, thundery rain drifting through. it will work into the north—west of scotland at the same time a weather front sets up across parts of england and wales bringing outbreaks of rain at times. staying mostly dry towards the south—east corner. a warm and muggy night, highs of ia to 18 degrees. tomorrow, low pressure still with us to the west of the uk. close to the centre

of the low heavy showers across northern ireland and scotland. the weather front bringing rain to parts of england and wales. to the south—east of that we will be tapping into some very warm, even hot airfor some. here is that whether from, northern england seen a decent amount of dry weather. northern ireland and scotland, sunny spells and heavy, potentially thundery showers. and for many it will be quite windy. it stays mainly dry across the south—east corner and with some sunshine here 30 degrees is likely across parts of eastern england. even further north, 2a there for aberdeen and for newcastle. sunday evening will bring further showers or longer spells of rain. it does remain stubbornly dry across the south—east corner, where rain is really needed. now, low pressure is still closed by into the start of the new week. high pressure will then build in from the west. we start the week with northerly winds, so actually in relative terms quite a cool start to the new week. the week ahead will bring some rain at times. for many though, it will be dry for much of the time.

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