amount of officers have a huge amount of officers dedicated to this investigation. we will continue to drier provide support to the family of lilia valutyte as they grieve following this unimaginable loss. if you see this unimaginable loss. if you see this man, call 999. quoting incident for19 this man, call 999. quoting incident for 19 of the 28th ofjuly. you can also submit information by our dedicated major incident portal. feeling is available on the lincolnshire police website. if you have any information relating to our investigation, including if you think you know the identity of this man, call101 think you know the identity of this

man, call 101 quoting incident a19 of the 28th ofjuly. i am extremely grateful to the public and the media in helping us to identify this man. thank you. so that was chief superintendent martyn parker there.— martyn parker there. giving us information _ martyn parker there. giving us information about _ martyn parker there. giving us information about that - martyn parker there. giving us l information about that stabbing. martyn parker there. giving us - information about that stabbing. the latest developments are that the two people who were arrested have been released with no further action taken. a key piece of information is that they have cctv footage of a man they need to locate so they don't know where he is but this is a man the police would like to speak to.

the public are being warned that if you do know who he is, do not approach him and there are various ways of getting in touch with the police by either calling 999 or calling 101 with incident number a19 and quoting 28th ofjuly which is the date of the incident. a reminder that the two people who were arrested regarding the stabbing of liliana valutyte have been released without charge. a man who has been identified as police in very clear images is wanted in connection with that death. they would like to speak to him and are urging the public to get in touch but do not approach him. you are watching bbc news. staying with us, we've got

now on bbc news dateline london with shaun ley. hello and welcome to the programme which brings together leading british journalists with foreign correspondents based in the uk who write, blog, podcast and broadcast from the dateline london. ballot papers will be sent out in the coming week to the 160,000 or so people who will, in effect, choose the next british prime minister. the candidate debates have not been without incident — the host of one brought it to an abrupt end by fainting. has it sent our panel to sleep? has europe yet woken up to the prospect of energy rationing this winter? and are the democrats slumbering whilst donald trump is thundering? is back, thundering? here in the studio are jef mcallister, an american lawyer,

who was london bureau chief for time magazine. the french author and journalist, agnes poirier and adam raphael, who has been commentating on british politics since the 19705. he was also london bureau chief for time magazine. he was also london bureau chief for time magazine. thank you very much for being with us. adam, let's start with the british conservative leadership contest. in effect the beauty contest for britain's next prime minister. it's been 1 on 1, blue on blue in some of the attacks. how revealing or interesting has it been? well, it has rightly pointed out this only 160,000 in the electorate, with think anyway, nobody knows what the conservative membership is.

97% are white, half live in london or the south—east, half are over 65, i know i'm even older than that, but there you go. itjust is not a representative election. there are 1a million conservative votes in the last election. you have this tiny number who actually decide not only who the party leader should be, who the prime minister should be. so it's odd. and the other odd thing about it, is the election is also over before it is begun. you've got liz truss, she so far ahead of rishi sunak that unless there is some incredible stumble along the way, which is possible but unlikely, she's going to have an even bigger majority than borisjohnson had over hunt at the last over hunt at the last election, jeremy hunt. ifind rather demeaning because they are just really contest for bidding up for votes. neither are discussing policies.

neither actually acknowledging the seriousness of the situation in the country finds itself in. they arejust bidding for this 160,000 votes. rishi sunak in particular is very much on the defensive, he knows he's far, far behind. so unless there is some amazing revelation about liz truss and i'm not about to reveal, this is over. that is happened before with mrs may before, with her leadership election. these things tend to get decided very early and indeed the conservative membership to the credit, they vote early. yes, vote early vote off in the old joke. you know there is a tendency candidates to pitch to the activist —based and therefore we had a lot of the old tune, taxation, margaret thatcher, immigration, not terribly surprising do you feel any sense of confidence that these candidates whoever wins will actually realise the way you win votes in the party may not be the way you secure your premiership when you are facing the public and almost certain to face an election at most

into your partnership when you are facing the public in almost certain to face an election at most in two years on? this is of course the hypothesis of the centrist voter and the need to appoint to appeal to the centre, which is the traditional way that parties you get in and retain power. it's been a little jumbled up both in the us and in the uk in the last years. the republicans in the us going very much for the base, polarisation, don't really try to make a pitch for the centre. there is a whiff of that in ourjohnson estate in power, going hard right on brexit, insisting how his mps have fealty to him if they didn't vote for him they got kicked out and they do things against the constitution. and he didn't really seem to pay much of a political price because labour was so disorganised underjeremy corbyn. now with the opposition that does seem to have a pulse, although it doesn't have that kind of inevitability that somehow tony blair had 15 years ago

of a young man who knew what he was doing and have the sole system going with them, it doesn't feel like it's quite caught on the air. but they'd better play for the centre because the labour party is 13 points ahead in the polls now. even though the ones who brought them, the conservatives are so used to doing that now they may not know how to appeal to the centre very easily, there can have to do it if they're going to win. yes. just across the channel we see a president beleaguered because he lost his parliamentary majority. whoever becomes prime minister of britain has the security of the parliamentary majority, that might be deceptive in terms of their power and the ability to get things done. it's difficult to compare the two countries because we have a presidential system, you have a parliamentary one. to think that 160,000 or so people are choosing the next prime minister, it's interesting we are talking about primaries because this is something the french political parties did first internally but then they opened it in 2011 to all citizens.

it was quite extraordinary. so you don't have to be a party member? you needed to actually say the first to do it was the left in 2011. and it was such a success. 'i'm embracing' basically for the 97% of the world population will be able to say yes. it was something like, do you embrace liberty, equality for eternity? and people were really excited to be asked their opinion because they were doing it for the good of their country even if they didn't belong to the left. did it make for more electable candidates? no. laughter but now it's interesting when you are talking about a pulling

but now it's interesting when you are talking about appealing to the centrist. the tory party has changed so much in the last few years. it used to be a very broad church. there is no centrist left in the tory party. there used to be the party of a realist party but now it's a party of fairy tales. tory members only want to be told fairy tales, you need to be a believer or not a realist. so rishi sunak who isjust saying look, ithink would be responsible, there is inflation so therefore i will lower tax. he seen as a socialist, seen as a hard realist and all they want is liz truss to say, i will lower taxes. but they also want something in the opposite. they want more investment in public services, lower taxes. more help with fuel bills or things like that.

boris johnson called it cakeism, i believe! having your cake and eating it. it's really sad. listening to you both i think oh, i'm a bit ashamed actually that we should be having a leadership contest like this for a major party. it is actually disastrous for the conservative party to be on display like this, taking lumps out of each other in a totally unrealistic way. this is not the best of the conservative party. the conservative party is a great party, has a huge history and will revert in time to what it has been. i think a lot to blame is borisjohnson. he promoted a lot of really inferior people to his cabinet, he chopped off a lot of the very best brains in the party. and you're quite right, it is no longer a party of the centre, it is moved to the far right. the danger for liz truss is that all her backers around the far right all her backers are on the far right or most of her backers are on the far right. she does have some centrist

backers but most of them, are far right and i hope they're not reflected in the cabinet, because if they are, the party will move further and further away from the electorate as a whole. but they are not going to stay powerful long, i think. there's quite a comfortable margin. look, wait for the winter when a lot of people suffer from the cold, inflation. i don't disagree. i don't think brexit is going to undo them in the end although brexit will also show its real face, even though they don't want to see it. but wait for the winter. let's talk about the winter in terms of the energy crisis. we saw this week a few measures in germany, hanover, ithink, is turning off the hot water. if you go to use the pool and shower afterwards it's going to be a cold shower in public baths. it's a small measure but symbolic. do you think europeans, whether in the uk or the continent have yet grasped how difficult a winter in terms of energy, to

of energy, particularly gas prices are going to be? i think we will phase it in a few months' time when we all have by government to agree to lower all the buildings will have to do that. the schools, the swimming pools as you were saying, but for us here around this table it will be just one or 2 degrees less in our homes. but for a lot of people it be much worse than that. there are any strikes, discontent, there is inflation which in the uk is made much worse by brexit. of course we all suffer from inflation but it's worse in the uk. and recession is looming and we're not there yet. this is how government in the late 70s here felt. that's why i think reality and the end will have the upper hand. this tory government will fall. also liz truss and boris johnson as seen from brussels is the same. as seen from paris, berlin

and brussels is the same. the mention of 1972 you live through the energy crisis in the state. yes i did, i'm that old. i wasn't going to say that. as a mature and experienced journalist and observer, other any lessons at all for most britons? it was a pretty horrible one for americans and jimmy carter who left soon afterwards. and joe biden is facing more. he's desperately trying to find of keeping the price of fuel for cars and other vehicles down. it's a lot more complicated. it is. it's inflation, it's all the supply chain problems, it's ukraine. there are lots of headwinds in the economy. interestingly, the average price of gasoline has gone down, a cents a gallon in the last month. all the republicans talking about how this is the beginning of

the end for him. they have something else to talk about now. saw this in the carter era with higher energy prices leading to stagflation, high interest rates i remember my wife's grandfather had a significant deposit that paid him 18% because that was what you can get in the bank for in interest rate in those days. but you had to pay 30% for a mortgage. the whole thing was a mess and it just took the steam out ofjimmy carter. 0n the other hand, it was the first big effort to get conservation and alternative energy sources into the infrastructure system. it had long—term positive consequences but i thinkjoe biden of course has to be worried. joe mentioned a west virginia senator who allowed a big bill to go through, stimulus bill, health care, energy which was a surprise.

it's been a no man's land for the last two years. yes, all this talk that democrats can't do anything, are all lost. but, actually, their numbers are getting better in the polls. the republicans have picked some very strange senate candidates who are trump type people. it may not be as awful for biden yet. it could be if everybody gets cold and miserable in the wintertime. there is some very striking things about this when jeff talks about energy conservation. germans are 50% reliant on gas from russia. their nuclear power stations are due to ship in december. they banned fracking even though they used it quite happily, but band it under

the merkel government. but banned it under the merkel government. they've kind of put themselves in the worst possible position. i suppose they have. ijust come back to britain all the time on this because this autumn, people are going to be faced with really horrendous price increases in their energy and even worse injanuary, another price race. so at that stage the government is going to have to intervene in a major way. i think agnes is quite right, most people can survive perfectly well, 80% of the population will survive pretty well. at about 20% cannot and will actually seriously either be short of food or be cold and really dangerous conditions. any government right, left, centre, any thing will have to intervene at that point i don't think people quite realise the degree of intervention is necessary. and the degree of neutralisation. what is going to have to happen is 80% who may be suffering a bit and always borderline on these things are going to have

to support that 20%. they're totally ill—prepared at the moment. i really didn't answer your question because i wasn't capable of doing so. it's interesting to see how different countries reacts also, the picture in europe is so diverse. that's why there was this agreement at least, it's not mandatory, it's not compulsory for the 15%. if you look at austria it's dependent 100% on russian gas and spain, not at all. so of course there will be national opt outs. it's interesting to see, a law was passed back in december orjanuary in france to cap energy prices by a%. for households, not companies. so they will pay the full price. and there will be packages, governments will need to help people. also france has nationalised or is about to nationalise edf. in order to help through the crisis,

all utilities and a lot of it, utilities going under and effectively government having to step in and support the companies and move people across to other suppliers. and big suppliers. butjef, when you look at the situation, russia is sitting pretty at the moment. oil is a problem for it. it can't afford to be not selling oil and it's found pretty creative ways to get around sanctions to sell oil. but gas only represents 2% of its gdp. it can turn off all the guess if it wanted to and europe will pay a hefty price was up is done it with a number of european countries, and a few in ukraine. the solution to this for europe to take longer than the amount of time available to get to the winter to change energy infrastructure, natural gas building, you need to build terminals and more ships. it's there, you can do more windmills, you could do lots of things but it will take

to to four years to get done. i think this is putin's game forthem in the meantime, the money he's getting for the oil that is selling isjust as much is what he was getting before even though they were sanctions because the price gone up. so he's able to shield the economy from some of the effects of sanctions. doesn't mean it's all rosy for him, of course. a lot of the tech sanctions are apparently affecting industrial and weapons production. in particular they can't get the chips to do the fancy stuff they need to do to fight effectively. i think he figures wait long enough, maybe it will cause disruption in germany and france and england and america and maybe trump comes back again. his buddy in the white house, everybody will be able to turn off the pressure. i think it's going to be more difficult than he certainly thought he was getting into when he got started in ukraine. i'm glad you mentioned ukraine because i was struck by a quote

from the german foreign minister who asked, what happens if gas is cut off this winter and she said we won't be able to provide any support for ukraine at all because we will be busy with popular uprising. that's the thing. it's going to test and challenge european unity on ukraine. you could argue it's two different things. we need to send weapons and make sure that ukraine is fast tracked to become a member of the european union. look at italy. their leader is going and he was really instrumental in convincing business leaders in italy to back sanctions because italy political clout...

and also in france as you say, president emmanuel macron doesn't have the absolute majority or even the majority at the national assembly. and it's stuck between a very potent far right, far left for them and they have in common a lot among others to be very lenient on russia. so if politics change then macron is in difficulty because in berlin the german chancellor is trying to find... if he goes he's quite alone. he said something interesting, it was during a trip in africa in the last few days. he said that putin was waging a new world war, a hybrid world war made of weaponizing food and energy and he talked about in imperialistic continental war.

this is putin? yes. and popular unity for supporting ukraine because i do think it be tested by this? because people think our energy is more expensive because of russia's sanctions therefore if we take pressure off at your bills will drop. it's as simplistic argument. what liz truss has been saying, i think she recognised that johnson did very well by the support of ukraine. and he is deeply embedded there. so i can't really see any future conservative leader on that. the rhetoric will always be pro—ukraine. as for the gas, in the end it's a world price which decides this. it's not as though some country is cut off altogether, everyone will be paying a world price with the world price dictates huge leaps, astronomic sums being paid for the gas. actually, it isn't really a cut off point, it'sjust

a matter of how much you're willing to pay for gas supply. gas at the moment for the winter is running at seven times the long—term trend, which is pretty frightening. one final thing to talk about, donald trump back in washington this week. i wonder, what is the dilemma for the us government about how it handles donald trump? is he contemplating the possibility of charging him in some way for his alleged involvement in the january the sixth riot last year? the newspapers are well informed and saying that the justice department is actually investigating him as well as the underlings in the january six riots. i have been an addict of the congressional hearings on the subject, i have to say. when you look at them and they say of course, they don't have cross examination, some procedural difficulties but it's an extremely careful explication of the evidence. lovingly and very carefully laid out

and told mostly by republicans in donald trump's inner circle. and there is no doubt that he knew that he did not get reelected and he was determined to hold onto power and use all sorts of chicanery to do it. and that is sedition. it is a criminal act, he tried to interfere with the congressional session by having the rioters go, knowing that they were going, summoning them to washington, saying he was going with them and not doing anything when mike pence was calling for help and came very close to running into the crowd, could've gotten killed. lots of people could've been killed, it was terribly dangerous. so this is the dilemma, it has to be a political decision, you can't charge a crime of a former sitting president when you are the current sitting president. going into an election. of course it's political. but you can't do it, also if it's just going to be a throw away,

i'm try to throw some charges which we see in other countries do to its former leaders. i think this is the dilemma for biden who doesn't like this stuff. he wants to be a forward—looking moderate for them and his attorney general, very moderate, very by the bookjustice department lifer. this is the most agonising decision they can possibly take and they're going to have to get a damn lot of evidence or knowing can disagree with it except trumps core supporters who will always disagree with it. gerald ford faced this dilemma. although it did a lot of damage to pardon richard nixon, his immediate predecessor from the same party. and he made the distinction between the man and the office. in other words, what he might not of liked about the man and what he done it was more important to protect

the credibility of the office. in a sense the dilemma is the same now isn't it? i supposed to some extent it is. 0n the other hand, there is a rule of law. if someone has committed high crimes and misdemeanors as trump appears to have done and the evidence is really... likejeff, a total addict to the hearings, the evidence is overwhelming that he has committed criminal acts. now whether a jury and judge will find out that he is guilty of them all or not but the evidence is there, sufficient to charge them. i suppose coming from the british tradition with politics is not meant to enter into judicial decisions, i think he should be charged in the interest of a law—abiding country. america is a country of laws. and that's what he should be charged and i hope that particular metal, and i hope that particular nettle... ..and i realise how difficult a decision it is for an american president to do but i think the rule of law should take precedence. the risk i suppose is if he were to win the case, it would even more strengthen his campaign. yes, true.

but the evidence seems to be devastating. and the cause ofjustice should run. i was fascinated by liz cheney who is the vice chair. also the former us vice president. she had a fantastic point in having dozens of republicans making the case against a republican. it means it's not democrats against republicans. ten seconds, jef. will biden be the democratic candidate will trump be will biden be the democratic candidate? will trump be the republican candidate? i'm beginning to think no one trump because polling is showing people are getting tired of him. a lot of democrats are tired of biden but i don't think you want to go anywhere. thank you all very much. thank you all for the more dateline london next week. bye— bye.

hello. it's been a cloudy start to the weekend for many but more sunshine across this afternoon in scotland and northern ireland especially. cloud braking to allow sunny spells but across northern england parts of northern england is where it will stay rather grey. heavy bursts, some drier moments temperatures in the low to mid 20. 22-2a temperatures in the low to mid 20. 22—2a across eastern scotland. 0vernight, hubert bid neither england and wales, outbreaks of rain developing and they could be one or two splashes of rain to the southern counties of england though not every garden is guaranteed it. scotland and northern ireland, sunny with some rain on the eastern coast.

cloudy, humid start for england and wales. coming lighter, sunshine and showers for the afternoon but many places can becoming dry and fresh. this is bbc news. i'm lukwesa burak with the latest headlines in the uk and around the world. ukraine's president, volodymyr zelensky, says the killings of 50 prisoners of war at a detention centre, in the russian—occupied part of the donetsk region, on friday, is a war crime. moscow has accused kyiv of killing the prisoners in a rocket strike. the first grain ship from ukraine, since russia's invasion, is ready and waiting for the signal to leave port. and pope francis has said he may need to consider stepping down — and would do so — if his health meant that he could not serve in the way he should. here in the uk — police in lincolnshire have issued an appealfor a man they would like to question,

over the death of 9—year—old lilia valutyte.