hello, and welcome to the programme in which leading uk columnists discuss the week's news with foreign correspondents who write, blog, podcast, and broadcast to audiences in their home countries from the dateline: london. 18 months after margaret thatcher first became prime minister, underfire even in her own party as half a million more people lost theirjobs and facing calls for a policy u—turn, she delivered a speech that still defines her —

"you turn if you want to, the lady's not for turning". this week, the woman who would be her successor u—turned. america's third lady, nancy pelosi, did not, going ahead with a visit to taiwan, despite chinese warnings beforehand — and missiles after. nor did the bank of england u—turn, going ahead with the half—point rise in interest rates. the governor had said the bank was minded to impose the largest single hike in a quarter of a century. here to discuss all that are marc roche, an economist and journalist who was born in belgium, and writes from here for the french news magazine, le point. isabel hilton, who's been a foreign correspondent and broadcaster — she founded china dialogue, an independent organisation concerned with the environmental challenges facing that country. and with us in spirit, if not in person — because a family member has covid — yasmin alibhai—brown. she was forced to flee her native uganda by idi amin — the 50th amnniversary of the expulsion of asian ugandans has been marked this week. yasmin is now a british

newspaper columnist. welcomed all of you, yasmin, it's lovely to see you and i hope your family member gets better. let's begin with china and the nancy pelosi visit. i'd say she's the first lady because jill pelosi visit. i'd say she's the first lady becausejill biden is the first lady becausejill biden is the first lady becausejill biden is the first lady and, harris is the second lady. nancy pelosi is next in line and an important figure. why this display of anger by china, which to many outside the region will see extraordinarily like an overreaction, firing missiles left, right and centre?— overreaction, firing missiles left, right and centre? some useful things about this display _ right and centre? some useful things about this display of _ right and centre? some useful things about this display of anger _ right and centre? some useful things about this display of anger - - right and centre? some useful things about this display of anger - for- right and centre? some useful things about this display of anger - for xi i about this display of anger — for xi jinping, it's in advance of the party congress coming up, he is consolidating his position for a third term in office, and who knows what after that? it demonstrates to his home front that he is defending china's interests in a highly nationalist atmosphere that he's

done a lot to create. so if you create a nationalist atmosphere, you have to live up to it. if you define the us as your principal enemy, then you have to respond when something like this happens. and finally, if you want to intimidate the taiwanese, putting effectively a military blockade around the island and constantly probing into the airspace and provoking their defenders to have to respond, you test the defences, intimidate the population, and you look like the big man in town. nancy pelosi could be described — big man in town. nancy pelosi could be described as _ big man in town. nancy pelosi could be described as possibly _ big man in town. nancy pelosi could be described as possibly on - big man in town. nancy pelosi could be described as possibly on the - big man in town. nancy pelosi could be described as possibly on the way| be described as possibly on the way out, she could be speaker of the house for only a few months more if the midterms predictions are worth anything at this stage. therefore it seems a particularly dramatic response — get she was advised, as we are told by some in the biden menstruation, not to go. was it a misjudgment? i

menstruation, not to go. was it a misiudgment?_ menstruation, not to go. was it a misjudgment? menstruation, not to go. was it a mis'udument? , , ., misjudgment? i completely agree with what isabel has _ misjudgment? i completely agree with what isabel has said, _ misjudgment? i completely agree with what isabel has said, but _ misjudgment? i completely agree with what isabel has said, but one - what isabel has said, but one question— what isabel has said, but one question does remain — the world is in such_ question does remain — the world is in such a _ question does remain — the world is in such a precarious state at the moment, — in such a precarious state at the moment, why would you nancy pelosi, whom _ moment, why would you nancy pelosi, whom i've _ moment, why would you nancy pelosi, whom i've always admired greatly — the state _ whom i've always admired greatly — the state department advised her currently— the state department advised her currently not to do this. what was the point, — currently not to do this. what was the point, what was the purpose? and the point, what was the purpose? particularly the point, what was the purpose? fific particularly she's known the point, what was the purpose? fific particularly she's known as someone beijing actively dislikes, because she turned up at tiananmen square not long after the massacre. indeed, holdin: u- not long after the massacre. indeed, holding up a — not long after the massacre. indeed, holding up a banner. _ not long after the massacre. indeed, holding up a banner. i— not long after the massacre. indeed, holding up a banner. i have - not long after the massacre. indeed, holding up a banner. i have a - not long after the massacre. indeed, holding up a banner. i have a lot- not long after the massacre. indeed, holding up a banner. i have a lot of. holding up a banner. i have a lot of time for nancy pelosi, but it looks like she wanted a big finale to her career. she won't be speaker after the midterms. she went on an asian tour — it's not actually clear that the taiwanese invited her, but they could hardly say no to her coming,

and it's not at all clear what they got out of this except for a lot of high tension from china. so i think it was sadly a political misjudgment on her part. it was sadly a political mis'udgment on her part.— on her part. everyone gets a -- an unwelcome guest _ on her part. everyone gets a -- an unwelcome guest every _ on her part. everyone gets a -- an unwelcome guest every once - on her part. everyone gets a -- an unwelcome guest every once in a i unwelcome guest every once in a while, you have to grin and bear it. it's a fantastic opportunity for xi jinpihg — it's a fantastic opportunity for xi jinpihg to— it's a fantastic opportunity for xi jinpihg to forget _ it's a fantastic opportunity for xi jinping to forget about - it's a fantastic opportunity for xi| jinping to forget about economic problems— jinping to forget about economic problems in_ jinping to forget about economic problems in the _ jinping to forget about economic problems in the eyes _ jinping to forget about economic problems in the eyes of- jinping to forget about economic problems in the eyes of the - jinping to forget about economic. problems in the eyes of the chinese people _ problems in the eyes of the chinese people by— problems in the eyes of the chinese people by using _ problems in the eyes of the chinese people by using this— problems in the eyes of the chinese people by using this nationalistic, . people by using this nationalistic, militaristic— people by using this nationalistic, militaristic attitude. _ people by using this nationalistic, militaristic attitude. because - people by using this nationalistic, i militaristic attitude. because china is oh _ militaristic attitude. because china is oh the _ militaristic attitude. because china is oh the brink— militaristic attitude. because china is on the brink of— militaristic attitude. because china is on the brink of a _ militaristic attitude. because china is on the brink of a recession, - is on the brink of a recession, because — is on the brink of a recession, because of— is on the brink of a recession, because of covid _ is on the brink of a recession, because of covid restrictions. is on the brink of a recession, i because of covid restrictions and their— because of covid restrictions and their obsession _ because of covid restrictions and their obsession about— because of covid restrictions and i their obsession about confinement. but also, _ their obsession about confinement. but also, the — their obsession about confinement. but also, the looming _ their obsession about confinement. but also, the looming recession - their obsession about confinement. but also, the looming recession inl but also, the looming recession in the west. — but also, the looming recession in the west, which _ but also, the looming recession in the west, which is— but also, the looming recession in the west, which is the _ but also, the looming recession in the west, which is the principal. the west, which is the principal client— the west, which is the principal clieht of— the west, which is the principal client of chinese _ the west, which is the principal client of chinese goods. - the west, which is the principal client of chinese goods. and i the west, which is the principal client of chinese goods. and so the west, which is the principal. client of chinese goods. and so by doing _ client of chinese goods. and so by doing that, — client of chinese goods. and so by doing that, he _ client of chinese goods. and so by doing that, he can— client of chinese goods. and so by doing that, he can avoid _ client of chinese goods. and so by doing that, he can avoid really- doing that, he can avoid really focusing — doing that, he can avoid really focusing on— doing that, he can avoid really focusing on the _ doing that, he can avoid really

focusing on the economy. i. doing that, he can avoid really. focusing on the economy. i don't think— focusing on the economy. i don't think china — focusing on the economy. i don't think china will— focusing on the economy. i don't think china will go _ focusing on the economy. i don't think china will go further - focusing on the economy. i don't think china will go further than l focusing on the economy. i don't. think china will go further than the sabre _ think china will go further than the sabre rattling _ think china will go further than the sabre rattling because _ think china will go further than the sabre rattling because you - think china will go further than the sabre rattling because you know, i think china will go further than the i sabre rattling because you know, the westr _ sabre rattling because you know, the west. i_ sabre rattling because you know, the west. ithihk. — sabre rattling because you know, the west, i think, has _ sabre rattling because you know, the west, i think, has alarmed _ sabre rattling because you know, the west, i think, has alarmed them i sabre rattling because you know, the| west, i think, has alarmed them with the sanctions. — west, i think, has alarmed them with the sanctions, and _ west, i think, has alarmed them with the sanctions, and the _ west, i think, has alarmed them with the sanctions, and the sanctions i west, i think, has alarmed them with the sanctions, and the sanctions on l the sanctions, and the sanctions on russia _ the sanctions, and the sanctions on russia did — the sanctions, and the sanctions on russia did work, _ the sanctions, and the sanctions on russia did work, do _ the sanctions, and the sanctions on russia did work, do work, - the sanctions, and the sanctions on russia did work, do work, it- the sanctions, and the sanctions on russia did work, do work, it is- russia did work, do work, it is crippling — russia did work, do work, it is crippling the _ russia did work, do work, it is crippling the russian - russia did work, do work, it isl crippling the russian economy. russia did work, do work, it is. crippling the russian economy. i don't _ crippling the russian economy. i don't think— crippling the russian economy. i don't think china _ crippling the russian economy. i don't think china wants - crippling the russian economy. i don't think china wants that. i crippling the russian economy. i don't think china wants that. sol crippling the russian economy. i| don't think china wants that. sol think— don't think china wants that. sol think it _ don't think china wants that. sol think it will — don't think china wants that. sol think it will finish _ don't think china wants that. sol think it will finish — _ don't think china wants that. sol think it will finish — what's- think it will finish — what's worrying _ think it will finish — what's worrying is _ think it will finish — what's worrying is that _ think it will finish — what's worrying is that forever, l think it will finish — what's- worrying is that forever, there might— worrying is that forever, there might be _ worrying is that forever, there might be a _ worrying is that forever, there might be a blockade, - worrying is that forever, there might be a blockade, and i worrying is that forever, there might be a blockade, and she| worrying is that forever, there i might be a blockade, and she can correct _ might be a blockade, and she can correct mew _ might be a blockade, and she can correct me... i’m— might be a blockade, and she can correct me- - -_ correct me... i'm not sure there will be a — correct me... i'm not sure there will be a blockade _ correct me... i'm not sure there will be a blockade forever, i correct me... i'm not sure there will be a blockade forever, but l correct me... i'm not sure there i will be a blockade forever, but they did declare before nancy pelosi's visit that they no longer considered the straits international waters. now those are very important international waters, a great deal of shipping goes through them. and if china sticks to that, that will inconvenience the entire neighbourhood and international shipping, as well as taiwan. so there is a risk that things get ratcheted up in certain things are not retreated from. the other great

casualty of this, however, which i think is more serious, as they announced today they will no longer cooperate on climate change with the united states. this cooperate on climate change with the united states— united states. this was one of the big announcements _ united states. this was one of the big announcements at _ united states. this was one of the big announcements at the - united states. this was one of the | big announcements at the glasgow summit, out of the blue almost — it's almost like president xi jinping wasn't there, the americans announced they had this agreement. it was with the john announced they had this agreement. it was with thejohn carey equivalent and john kerry, the envoy — it was the only bit of momentum at cop26, because so many things have happened since then, the war and so on, that all those things have been put off, and it's looking very serious. we have until 2030 to bang the curve on omissions. when the us and china worked together, which was in the 0bama and xijinping era, they essentially got paris — that's how we got paris because they

weren't fighting each other, and they were mobilising their respective allies and friends. the paris climate _ respective allies and friends. the paris climate agreement? respective allies and friends. the i paris climate agreement? precisely - but now we need _ paris climate agreement? precisely - but now we need to _ paris climate agreement? precisely - but now we need to ratchet _ paris climate agreement? precisely - but now we need to ratchet up i paris climate agreement? precisely - but now we need to ratchet up the i but now we need to ratchet up the ambition and we need them working together on this. this ambition and we need them working together on this.— together on this. this is the great dilemma anyway. _ together on this. this is the great dilemma anyway, american i dilemma anyway, american policymakers are working to make a wrestling with it and it's a terrible time to wrestle with something like this — what sort of relationship can you have with china, from the washington perspective, but other parts of the west, with neighbours like australia? i west, with neighbours like australia?— west, with neighbours like australia? ~' , ., ., west, with neighbours like australia? ~' , ., australia? i think they have to be ve , australia? i think they have to be very. very — australia? i think they have to be very, very careful. _ australia? i think they have to be very, very careful. i've _ australia? i think they have to be very, very careful. i've often i australia? i think they have to be very, very careful. i've often said | very, very careful. i've often said that china's — very, very careful. i've often said that china's politics, not only across — that china's politics, not only across its _ that china's politics, not only across its neighbourhood, but africa, — across its neighbourhood, but africa, south asia, there's a lot going _ africa, south asia, there's a lot going on— africa, south asia, there's a lot going on there that should worry us. but at _ going on there that should worry us. but at the _ going on there that should worry us. but at the same time, i'm sorry, but for 25_ but at the same time, i'm sorry, but for 25 years — but at the same time, i'm sorry, but for 25 years or— but at the same time, i'm sorry, but for 25 years or longer, everywhere the united — for 25 years or longer, everywhere the united states has gone in as the

saviour. _ the united states has gone in as the saviour. it _ the united states has gone in as the saviour, it has left the place in total— saviour, it has left the place in total devastation. think of afghanistan, libya — so the idea that the — afghanistan, libya — so the idea that the us is the good pair in this, — that the us is the good pair in this, i— that the us is the good pair in this, i agree with isabel, we are in such— this, i agree with isabel, we are in such a bad — this, i agree with isabel, we are in such a bad place with climate change. _ such a bad place with climate change, this is not the time to start— change, this is not the time to start playground fights. we have to cooperate, the whole world, if we are going — cooperate, the whole world, if we are going to save the planet. and i just don't— are going to save the planet. and i just don't understand this rhetoric, i just don't understand this rhetoric, i don't _ just don't understand this rhetoric, i don't understand china's war games when _ i don't understand china's war games when the _ i don't understand china's war games when the world is in such a crisis, i when the world is in such a crisis, i really— when the world is in such a crisis, i really don't _ when the world is in such a crisis, i really don't. it when the world is in such a crisis, i really don't-— i really don't. it raises an interesting _ i really don't. it raises an interesting question i i really don't. it raises an l interesting question about i really don't. it raises an i interesting question about the status of taiwan, in terms of how it is treated. i'll get isabel to give us context in terms of the history, but there are lots of people pussyfooting around whether taiwan

is a country, can we offend beijing by describing it as a country, all the rest of it — and that's one of the rest of it — and that's one of the added complications here, isn't it? , ., , y the added complications here, isn't it? , y~ the added complications here, isn't it? , ,~ 3 it? yes, absolutely. but there's this far bigger _ it? yes, absolutely. but there's this far bigger picture _ it? yes, absolutely. but there's this far bigger picture too, i it? yes, absolutely. but there's this far bigger picture too, and | this far bigger picture too, and taiwan— this far bigger picture too, and taiwan is— this far bigger picture too, and taiwan is actually flourishing for a while, _ taiwan is actually flourishing for a while, and — taiwan is actually flourishing for a while, and after what happened hong kong, _ while, and after what happened hong kong, i_ while, and after what happened hong kong, i would while, and after what happened hong kong, iwould not while, and after what happened hong kong, i would not underestimate. thats— kong, i would not underestimate. that's interesting what you said about hong kong, because you could argue that one thing that has changed, and which mightjustify america taking a more combative approach over taiwan, is what china has done in hong kong — it's change of approach. i was talking to victor gao this week who is saying it's just a continuity, there's always been a national security law — it clearly wasn't like the national security law, and you can criticise the british are lots of things, there was clearly no democracy in hong kong before the handover, they

were heading towards some elective process but it hadn't really been on the agenda. but it clearly wasn't the agenda. but it clearly wasn't the hong kong under the british and what china is now doing, it's not even what china was doing ten years ago. that has changed the calculation.— ago. that has changed the calculation. ., , , , ., calculation. completely, because no one believed — calculation. completely, because no one believed china, _ calculation. completely, because no one believed china, and _ calculation. completely, because no one believed china, and what i calculation. completely, because no one believed china, and what they l one believed china, and what they would _ one believed china, and what they would do — one believed china, and what they would do to— one believed china, and what they would do to taiwan _ one believed china, and what they would do to taiwan if _ one believed china, and what they would do to taiwan if they- one believed china, and what theyl would do to taiwan if they occupied - first _ would do to taiwan if they occupied - first the _ would do to taiwan if they occupied — first the taiwanese _ would do to taiwan if they occupied — first the taiwanese military- would do to taiwan if they occupied — first the taiwanese military is i — first the taiwanese military is quite _ — first the taiwanese military is quite strong, _ — first the taiwanese military is quite strong, it— — first the taiwanese military is quite strong, it has— — first the taiwanese military is quite strong, it has very- — first the taiwanese military is i quite strong, it has very advanced military— quite strong, it has very advanced military equipment _ quite strong, it has very advanced military equipment from - quite strong, it has very advanced military equipment from the i quite strong, it has very advanced military equipment from the us. i quite strong, it has very advanced i military equipment from the us. and alsor _ military equipment from the us. and also, the latest _ military equipment from the us. and also, the latest war— military equipment from the us. and also, the latest war waged _ military equipment from the us. and also, the latest war waged by- military equipment from the us. and also, the latest war waged by china i also, the latest war waged by china in 1979 _ also, the latest war waged by china in 1979 against _ also, the latest war waged by china in 1979 against vietnam _ also, the latest war waged by china in 1979 against vietnam was - also, the latest war waged by china in 1979 against vietnam was a i in 1979 against vietnam was a resounding _ in 1979 against vietnam was a resounding defeat. _ in 1979 against vietnam was a resounding defeat. we - in 1979 against vietnam was a resounding defeat. we are i in 1979 against vietnam was a | resounding defeat. we are not in 1979 against vietnam was a i resounding defeat. we are not sure of the _ resounding defeat. we are not sure of the preparedness _ resounding defeat. we are not sure of the preparedness and _ resounding defeat. we are not sure of the preparedness and how - resounding defeat. we are not sure of the preparedness and how good i of the preparedness and how good they are _ of the preparedness and how good theyare but— of the preparedness and how good they are. but hong _ of the preparedness and how good they are. but hong kong _ of the preparedness and how good they are. but hong kong is- of the preparedness and how good they are. but hong kong is a - of the preparedness and how good they are. but hong kong is a real. they are. but hong kong is a real warning _ they are. but hong kong is a real warning that _ they are. but hong kong is a real warning that china _ they are. but hong kong is a real warning that china is— they are. but hong kong is a real warning that china is an - warning that china is an authoritarian _ warning that china is an authoritarian regime, i warning that china is an authoritarian regime, if| warning that china is an i authoritarian regime, if we warning that china is an - authoritarian regime, if we forget it. authoritarian regime, if we forget it on _ authoritarian regime, if we forget it on the — authoritarian regime, if we forget it. on the whole, _ authoritarian regime, if we forget it. on the whole, the _

authoritarian regime, if we forget it. on the whole, the americans, | authoritarian regime, if we forget i it. on the whole, the americans, the official— it. on the whole, the americans, the official admitted _ it. on the whole, the americans, the official admitted democrat _ it. on the whole, the americans, the official admitted democrat american| official admitted democrat american administration, _ official admitted democrat american administration, as— official admitted democrat american administration, as isabel— official admitted democrat american administration, as isabel said, - official admitted democrat american administration, as isabel said, she l administration, as isabel said, she imposed _ administration, as isabel said, she imposed her— administration, as isabel said, she imposed her cell. _ administration, as isabel said, she imposed her cell. so _ administration, as isabel said, she imposed her cell. so i _ administration, as isabel said, she imposed her cell. so i don't - administration, as isabel said, she imposed her cell. so i don't think. imposed her cell. so i don't think we are _ imposed her cell. so i don't think we are heading— imposed her cell. so i don't think we are heading really— imposed her cell. so i don't think we are heading really for- imposed her cell. so i don't think we are heading really for a - imposed her cell. so i don't think we are heading really for a clashl we are heading really for a clash between — we are heading really for a clash between america _ we are heading really for a clash between america and _ we are heading really for a clash between america and china i we are heading really for a clash. between america and china directly -- imposed — between america and china directly —— imposed herself. _ between america and china directly —— imposed herself. it's— between america and china directly —— imposed herself. it's more - between america and china directly —— imposed herself. it's more an. —— imposed herself. it's more an event _ —— imposed herself. it's more an event in — —— imposed herself. it's more an event in a — —— imposed herself. it's more an event in a difficult _ —— imposed herself. it's more an event in a difficult situation. i event in a difficult situation. taiwan— event in a difficult situation. taiwan is— event in a difficult situation. taiwan is the _ event in a difficult situation. taiwan is the part _ event in a difficult situation. taiwan is the part of- event in a difficult situation. taiwan is the part of china l event in a difficult situation. i taiwan is the part of china where the nationalists fought against the communists in 1949, but what is it about its status that matters so much to beijing?— about its status that matters so much to beijing? much to bei'ing? they've made it matter. in — much to beijing? they've made it matter. in the _ much to beijing? they've made it matter. in the story _ much to beijing? they've made it matter. in the story keeps i much to beijing? they've made it i matter. in the story keeps changing — it wasn't really part of china until the ching dynasty, which was the 17th century. and it was only part of china then but the ching paid attention to it because of the meeting resistance. so taiwan gets retreated to after the wars on the mainland. after that it became a chinese colony in the 1800s, and it

was returned to china in 1945 with the defeat of japan. there was an uprising in 1947 against the chinese by the taiwanese and the white terror, a massacre. then in 1949, the nationalists still lost the war, they turned up and declared themselves the government of all china from taiwan, and were recognised by the americans until nixon went to china. so it's been a complicated story, but when taiwan won democracy, which it did after the dictatorship of the nationalists fell — they got in the streets the way middle class is doing got a democratic system — and the taiwanese identity emerged through democratic... fiend taiwanese identity emerged through democratic. . ._ democratic... and not the american identi , democratic... and not the american identity, because _ democratic... and not the american identity, because that's _ democratic... and not the american identity, because that's the - identity, because that's the problem, you have two big powers in

dispute over this, and perhaps sometimes taiwan's voice doesn't get hurt very much. it has a guest it doesn't want to accept. you should oint out doesn't want to accept. you should point out that _ doesn't want to accept. you should point out that mouse _ doesn't want to accept. you should point out that mouse i _ doesn't want to accept. you should point out that mouse i done - doesn't want to accept. you should point out that mouse i done told i point out that mouse i done told edgar snow and bread star over china that he didn't regard taiwan, which he called for most as a part of china, he thought of it much more like korea which was also a japanese colony, and it was the duty of the chinese party to help liberate taiwan so he could be an independent country along with korea. so that could be an independent country. it was not considered then by the great founder of the communist party an integral part of china will top this is a much more recent phenomenon, and it's a part of a national story. if you stop being an empire, which is a much more flexible arrangement, if you like, and you try to establish a nation state, borders become much more important. so xi jinping's great gift to the chinese

people, as he presents it, is to recover the lost province. think you both the micro _ recover the lost province. think you both the micro all— recover the lost province. think you both the micro all very _ recover the lost province. think you both the micro all very much. i recover the lost province. think you both the micro all very much. let's| both the micro all very much. let's talk about the lady who did trust the micro turn, liz truss, who came up the micro turn, liz truss, who came up with this idea of potentially reaching pay rates — if you have a differentjob in the uk, outside of london, shouldn't you get as much as you would in london —— if you have a job in a different part of the uk. they don't necessarily pay different amounts if they are national organisations in different parts of the country. the public sectors don't pay different parts of the country — she seemed attracted but then backed off of the idea of having regional pay boards. do you see any merit in that original idea? is there an economic argument where there might be some merit in that? there's absolutely no merit, it's a stupid _ there's absolutely no merit, it's a stupid idea — there's absolutely no merit, it's a stupid idea because _ there's absolutely no merit, it's a stupid idea because the _ there's absolutely no merit, it's a stupid idea because the present i stupid idea because the present system — stupid idea because the present system works— stupid idea because the present system works very _ stupid idea because the present system works very well - stupid idea because the present system works very well where i stupid idea because the present. system works very well where civil servants _ system works very well where civil servants are — system works very well where civil servants are paid _ system works very well where civil servants are paid the _ system works very well where civil servants are paid the same - system works very well where civil. servants are paid the same wherever you are _ servants are paid the same wherever you are~ you — servants are paid the same wherever you are~ you are _ servants are paid the same wherever you are. you are serving _ servants are paid the same wherever you are. you are serving the - servants are paid the same wherever you are. you are serving the state, l you are. you are serving the state, not the _

you are. you are serving the state, not the region _ you are. you are serving the state, not the region. it's _ you are. you are serving the state, not the region. it's completely- not the region. it's completely different— not the region. it's completely different to _ not the region. it's completely different to local— not the region. it's completely different to local people. - not the region. it's completely- different to local people. anyway, that story — different to local people. anyway, that story which _ different to local people. anyway, that story which she _ different to local people. anyway, that story which she retracted - different to local people. anyway, that story which she retracted is l that story which she retracted is conrptetety_ that story which she retracted is completely driven _ that story which she retracted is completely driven by _ that story which she retracted is completely driven by the - completely driven by the announcement _ completely driven by the announcement and - completely driven by the announcement and the l completely driven by the - announcement and the cataclysmic announcement _ announcement and the cataclysmic announcement try— announcement and the cataclysmic announcement by the _ announcement and the cataclysmic announcement by the bank - announcement and the cataclysmic announcement by the bank of - announcement and the cataclysmic. announcement by the bank of england about recession, _ announcement by the bank of england about recession, about— announcement by the bank of england about recession, about triple - about recession, about triple increasing _ about recession, about triple increasing energy— about recession, about triple increasing energy bills, and i about recession, about triple - increasing energy bills, and about the cost _ increasing energy bills, and about the cost of— increasing energy bills, and about the cost of living _ increasing energy bills, and about the cost of living in _ increasing energy bills, and about the cost of living in general, - increasing energy bills, and about the cost of living in general, 13%.| the cost of living in general, 13%. and this — the cost of living in general, 13%. and this is — the cost of living in general, 13%. and this is absolutely _ the cost of living in general, 13%. and this is absolutely leaving - the cost of living in general, 13%. and this is absolutely leaving noi and this is absolutely leaving no room _ and this is absolutely leaving no room of — and this is absolutely leaving no room of manoeuvre _ and this is absolutely leaving no room of manoeuvre to _ and this is absolutely leaving no room of manoeuvre to liz- and this is absolutely leaving no room of manoeuvre to liz truss| and this is absolutely leaving no - room of manoeuvre to liz truss and her adversary — room of manoeuvre to liz truss and her adversary. because _ room of manoeuvre to liz truss and her adversary. because basically, i her adversary. because basically, where _ her adversary. because basically, where witi— her adversary. because basically, where will there _ her adversary. because basically, where will there be _ her adversary. because basically, where will there be money- her adversary. because basically, where will there be money to, i her adversary. because basically, where will there be money to, as| where will there be money to, as they want. — where will there be money to, as they want. to _ where will there be money to, as they want, to diminish _ where will there be money to, as they want, to diminish tax? - where will there be money to, as- they want, to diminish tax? because she wants _ they want, to diminish tax? because she wants to— they want, to diminish tax? because she wants to diminish _ they want, to diminish tax? because she wants to diminish company- they want, to diminish tax? because she wants to diminish company tax, | she wants to diminish company tax, he wants— she wants to diminish company tax, he wants to — she wants to diminish company tax, he wants to get _ she wants to diminish company tax, he wants to get rid _ she wants to diminish company tax, he wants to get rid of _ she wants to diminish company tax, he wants to get rid of the _ she wants to diminish company tax, he wants to get rid of the energy. he wants to get rid of the energy vat~ _ he wants to get rid of the energy vat~ but — he wants to get rid of the energy vat. but there's— he wants to get rid of the energy vat. but there's no _ he wants to get rid of the energy vat. but there's no money- he wants to get rid of the energy vat. but there's no money — - he wants to get rid of the energy vat. but there's no money — sol vat. but there's no money — so unless— vat. but there's no money — so unless you — vat. but there's no money — so unless you in — vat. but there's no money — so unless you in debt _ vat. but there's no money — so unless you in debt more - vat. but there's no money — so unless you in debt more of- vat. but there's no money — so unless you in debt more of the| unless you in debt more of the country. — unless you in debt more of the country, which _ unless you in debt more of the country, which is _ unless you in debt more of the country, which is already- unless you in debt more of thei country, which is already 100%

unless you in debt more of the i country, which is already 100% of gdp, _ country, which is already 100% of gdp, then— country, which is already 100% of gdp, then you _ country, which is already 100% of gdp, then you threaten - country, which is already 100% of gdp, then you threaten to - country, which is already 100% of| gdp, then you threaten to double country, which is already 100% of- gdp, then you threaten to double the rate, gdp, then you threaten to double the rate. which— gdp, then you threaten to double the rate, which means _ gdp, then you threaten to double the rate, which means more _ gdp, then you threaten to double the rate, which means more money- gdp, then you threaten to double the rate, which means more money to. rate, which means more money to pay, the only— rate, which means more money to pay, the only solution, — rate, which means more money to pay, the only solution, which _ rate, which means more money to pay, the only solution, which is— rate, which means more money to pay, the only solution, which is not- rate, which means more money to pay, the only solution, which is not very- the only solution, which is not very conservative, — the only solution, which is not very conservative, is _ the only solution, which is not very conservative, is to _ the only solution, which is not very conservative, is to increase - the only solution, which is not very conservative, is to increase tax - the only solution, which is not very| conservative, is to increase tax and diminish— conservative, is to increase tax and diminish public— conservative, is to increase tax and diminish public service, _ conservative, is to increase tax and diminish public service, public - diminish public service, public expense — diminish public service, public expense - _ diminish public service, public expense — which— diminish public service, public expense — which you - diminish public service, public expense — which you can't - diminish public service, public expense — which you can't doi diminish public service, public i expense — which you can't do at diminish public service, public . expense — which you can't do at a time _ expense — which you can't do at a time of— expense — which you can't do at a time of recession. _ expense — which you can't do at a time of recession. so _ expense — which you can't do at a time of recession. so whoever. expense — which you can't do at a i time of recession. so whoever wins will be _ time of recession. so whoever wins will be in _ time of recession. so whoever wins will be in a — time of recession. so whoever wins will be in a no—win _ time of recession. so whoever wins will be in a no—win situation. - will be in a no—win situation. before — will be in a no—win situation. before we _ will be in a no—win situation. before we leave _ will be in a no—win situation. before we leave the - will be in a no—win situation. before we leave the point i will be in a no—win situation. i before we leave the point about regional pay, why was it so politically toxic and idea? because this woman. _ politically toxic and idea? because this woman, liz _ politically toxic and idea? because this woman, liz truss, _ politically toxic and idea? because this woman, liz truss, seems - politically toxic and idea? because this woman, liz truss, seems to l politically toxic and idea? because | this woman, liz truss, seems to be producing _ this woman, liz truss, seems to be producing ideas out of a christmas cracker— producing ideas out of a christmas cracker or— producing ideas out of a christmas cracker or something — hardly thought— cracker or something — hardly thought through at all, then she spends — thought through at all, then she spends and changes, she was a remainer, then she became a brexiteer, _ remainer, then she became a brexiteer, she believes that then she doesn't believe it any more. it's actually quite embarrassing to watch _ it's actually quite embarrassing to watch her. — it's actually quite embarrassing to watch her, and i'm a feminist, and i would— watch her, and i'm a feminist, and i would wish —

watch her, and i'm a feminist, and i would wish for a good woman to take over the _ would wish for a good woman to take over the party. but it is deeply embarrassing, she hasn't thought this thing — embarrassing, she hasn't thought this thing through. and the other thing _ this thing through. and the other thing that's quite interesting is the letter in the ft today, which was fascinating because they keep referencing the global thing — out of the _ referencing the global thing — out of the ten — referencing the global thing — out of the ten most productive countries in the _ of the ten most productive countries in the world, 7—8 of them are in the eu. in the world, 7—8 of them are in the eli and— in the world, 7—8 of them are in the eli and when— in the world, 7—8 of them are in the eu. and when the uk was in the eu, it outshone — eu. and when the uk was in the eu, it outshone all other countries. so there's a _ it outshone all other countries. so there's a connection between what is going _ there's a connection between what is going on— there's a connection between what is going on with this situation come up with their— going on with this situation come up with their session and all that, and the decision, in my view, that was badiy— the decision, in my view, that was tradty taken— the decision, in my view, that was badly taken —— with the recession. peopte _ badly taken —— with the recession. peopte witt— badly taken —— with the recession. people will ask why we have two people _ people will ask why we have two people standing for leadership not addressing those core questions? | addressing those core questions? suppose addressing those core questions? i suppose the other point is, given the government's messaging in

parliament has been about levelling up parliament has been about levelling up the country, it doesn't sit well with that succulent absolutely, and if there's a problem with differential payment, as there is in london, there's differential payment, as there is in london. there'— differential payment, as there is in london, there's something called the london, there's something called the london wager — london, there's something called the london wager you — london, there's something called the london wager you get _ london, there's something called the london wager you get an _ london, there's something called the london wager you get an extra - london wager you get an extra allowance if you have to pay more but in bolton, you can pay people less then you can in birmingham — as mark says, they're working for the state, it's preposterous. what happens when they move or get promoted? but it's also the kind of triviality of it that bothers me. this country seems to be staring over a cliff, and neither of them frankly seem to have very much to say about the very big issues. and say about the very big issues. and what they do _ say about the very big issues. and what they do have to say, liz truss seems to be on a collision course with the bank of england, arguing it's had the wrong response.

conservatives are critical of the bank anyway, saying it didn't act fast enough against inflation, it directs itself, they put up rates of half of 1%, as it warned it would do. the government set on friday that in terms of what they had heard that in terms of what they had heard that they hadn't moved fast enough, he rejected that and said it's an approach to buying assets, this quantitive easing programme which arguably helped during the credit crunch, it was not part of the problem. so there is a political conflict opening up between the woman most likely to be prime minister and the government. and woman most likely to be prime minister and the government. and her action has been _ minister and the government. and her action has been to _ minister and the government. and her action has been to suggest _ minister and the government. and her action has been to suggest she - minister and the government. and her action has been to suggest she could l action has been to suggest she could curtail the bank of england, which is characteristic of this contest — every time an independent body, whether it be the election or the bank of england, produces a result thatis bank of england, produces a result that is inconvenient politically for the candidates, they suggest they can abolish the very factors that

made them valuable and the factors that made them trust us. it's a pressing diagnosis, frankly. and that made them trust us. it's a pressing diagnosis, frankly. and to a . ree, pressing diagnosis, frankly. and to agree, brexit... _ pressing diagnosis, frankly. and to agree, brexit. .. which _ pressing diagnosis, frankly. and to agree, brexit. .. which you - pressing diagnosis, frankly. and to agree, brexit. .. which you were. l pressing diagnosis, frankly. and to agree, brexit... which you were. i | agree, brexit... which you were. i was, but agree, brexit... which you were. i was. but i've _ agree, brexit... which you were. i was, but i've become _ agree, brexit... which you were. i was, but i've become a _ agree, brexit... which you were. i was, but i've become a remainer. j was, but i've become a remainer. it's was, but i've become a remainer. it's a _ was, but i've become a remainer. it's a bit _ was, but i've become a remainer. it's a bit late! _ was, but i've become a remainer. it's a bit late!— it's a bit late! the fact is that brexit is making _ it's a bit late! the fact is that brexit is making it _ it's a bit late! the fact is that brexit is making it difficult i it's a bit late! the fact is that brexit is making it difficult to take — brexit is making it difficult to take advantage _ brexit is making it difficult to take advantage of _ brexit is making it difficult to take advantage of even - brexit is making it difficult to take advantage of even the l take advantage of even the devaluation— take advantage of even the devaluation of— take advantage of even the devaluation of sterling, - take advantage of even the devaluation of sterling, for| devaluation of sterling, for instance. _ devaluation of sterling, for instance, sterling - devaluation of sterling, for instance, sterling is - devaluation of sterling, for instance, sterling is at - devaluation of sterling, for instance, sterling is at its. devaluation of sterling, for - instance, sterling is at its weakest compared — instance, sterling is at its weakest compared to — instance, sterling is at its weakest compared to the _ instance, sterling is at its weakest compared to the dollar. _ instance, sterling is at its weakest compared to the dollar. imports . instance, sterling is at its weakest i compared to the dollar. imports are more _ compared to the dollar. imports are more expensive~~ _ compared to the dollar. imports are more expensive... so— compared to the dollar. imports are more expensive. . ._ more expensive... so we should be reducin: more expensive... so we should be reducing stuff _ more expensive... so we should be reducing stuff ourselves? _ more expensive... so we should be reducing stuff ourselves? exports l reducing stuff ourselves? exports are now more _ reducing stuff ourselves? exports are now more expensive - reducing stuff ourselves? exports are now more expensive because| reducing stuff ourselves? exports l are now more expensive because of brexit. _ are now more expensive because of brexit. because _

are now more expensive because of brexit, because with _ are now more expensive because of brexit, because with your _ are now more expensive because of brexit, because with your principles with your— brexit, because with your principles with your commercial— brexit, because with your principles with your commercial partner - brexit, because with your principles with your commercial partner are i brexit, because with your principles . with your commercial partner are now stacked _ with your commercial partner are now stacked with — with your commercial partner are now stacked with tariffs _ with your commercial partner are now stacked with tariffs and _ stacked with tariffs and administrative - stacked with tariffs and administrative jumps. i stacked with tariffs and . administrativejumps. it's stacked with tariffs and administrative jumps. stacked with tariffs and administrative “ums. v ., , administrative “umps. it's not 'ust the british, i administrative jumps. it's not 'ust the british, it's i administrative jumps. it's not 'ust the british, it's partly * administrative jumps. it's not 'ust the british, it's partly down h administrative jumps. it's notjust the british, it's partly down to - administrative jumps. it's notjust the british, it's partly down to the eu, as well, it's about the partnership. eu, as well, it's about the partnership-— eu, as well, it's about the partnership. the eu has done everything — partnership. the eu has done everything to _ partnership. the eu has done everything to ease _ partnership. the eu has done everything to ease the - partnership. the eu has done everything to ease the way i partnership. the eu has done| everything to ease the way for partnership. the eu has done i everything to ease the way for the british— everything to ease the way for the british to — everything to ease the way for the british to have _ everything to ease the way for the british to have a _ everything to ease the way for the british to have a good _ everything to ease the way for the british to have a good brexit, i british to have a good brexit, butm — british to have a good brexit, but... �* , ., , ., british to have a good brexit, but... �* , ., , but... there'll be lots of people who take issue _ but... there'll be lots of people who take issue with _ but... there'll be lots of people who take issue with that. i i but... there'll be lots of people | who take issue with that. i know, the 'll who take issue with that. i know, they'll say _ who take issue with that. i know, they'll say emmanuel _ who take issue with that. i know, they'll say emmanuel macron i who take issue with that. i know, they'll say emmanuel macron is l they'll say emmanuel macron is the worst, _ they'll say emmanuel macron is the worst, etc~ — they'll say emmanuel macron is the worst, etc the _ they'll say emmanuel macron is the worst, etc. the fact _ they'll say emmanuel macron is the worst, etc. the fact that _ they'll say emmanuel macron is the worst, etc. the fact that the - worst, etc. the fact that the british— worst, etc. the fact that the british didn't _ worst, etc. the fact that the british didn't have _ worst, etc. the fact that the british didn't have their- worst, etc. the fact that the british didn't have their acti british didn't have their act together, _ british didn't have their act together, they— british didn't have their act together, they were - british didn't have their acti together, they were divided british didn't have their act i together, they were divided and british didn't have their act - together, they were divided and they treated _ together, they were divided and they treated brussels, _ together, they were divided and they treated brussels, as _ together, they were divided and they treated brussels, as brexiteers - together, they were divided and they treated brussels, as brexiteers do, i treated brussels, as brexiteers do, with utter— treated brussels, as brexiteers do, with utter contempt. _ treated brussels, as brexiteers do, with utter contempt.— with utter contempt. let's not relitiuate with utter contempt. let's not relitigate that, _ with utter contempt. let's not relitigate that, but _ with utter contempt. let's not relitigate that, but just - with utter contempt. let's not relitigate that, butjust in i with utter contempt. let's not i relitigate that, butjust in terms of where this leaves the uk now, i was reading an article by melanie phillips, who was a long—standing

conservative commentator — she was writing an article this week that she kind of despaired over the conservative party, she said, "it seems to be an argument about the size of state and tax, this leadership election, without looking at some of the bigger issues, like a fracturing nation and prices which are now being lost. the party no longer understands what conservatism really was," she writes. i’m longer understands what conservatism really was,�* she writes.— really was," she writes. i'm sorry, ou're really was," she writes. i'm sorry, you're asking _ really was," she writes. i'm sorry, you're asking the _ really was," she writes. i'm sorry, you're asking the wrong _ really was," she writes. i'm sorry, you're asking the wrong person i really was," she writes. i'm sorry, l you're asking the wrong person here to give _ you're asking the wrong person here to give any— you're asking the wrong person here to give any serious consideration... what _ to give any serious consideration... what about— to give any serious consideration... what about the point about the party... what about the point about the -a . what about the point about the party... the french revolution was about upholding — party... the french revolution was about upholding western _ about upholding western values, that's— about upholding western values, that's what they used to say. traditional conservative feud. the to -a traditional conservative feud. the tory party to _ traditional conservative feud. the tory party to uphold conservative vatues, _ tory party to uphold conservative values, and we should say nothing

but how great our history was — it's all this— but how great our history was — it's all this woke — but how great our history was — it's all this woke stuff that she's going on about — all this woke stuff that she's going on about. what's interesting is that she feels— on about. what's interesting is that she feels like kemi badenoch, a black— she feels like kemi badenoch, a black woman, articulates that fake national— black woman, articulates that fake national pride better than rishi sunak— national pride better than rishi sunak or— national pride better than rishi sunak or liz truss. this is quite interesting _ sunak or liz truss. this is quite interesting - _ sunak or liz truss. this is quite interesting — i can't take that point — interesting — i can't take that point seriously at all, i'm sorry. what _ point seriously at all, i'm sorry. what about _ point seriously at all, i'm sorry. what about the argument that there's something about this debate that become too narrow? it's notjust for the conservative party, but for the public as well, since after all, this is the debate that will help determine who is prime minister? indeed, prime minister of the whole united kingdom, i must point out. i've not read the article, but it seems to me since the one nation tories were expelled by boris johnson for not supporting brexit, what we have is instead of the

conservative and unionist party, we have an english national party. there are marks liz truss made about the leader of the scottish parliament today were frankly stalking. you can'tjust accuse a serious politician of being attention seeking —— were frankly shocking. the snp has been repeatedly voted into power by the scottish people, what does that say to the scottish people? it says there's no future for us, whether liz truss's england, they are playing fast and loose with northern ireland. , , g playing fast and loose with northern ireiand-_ the _ playing fast and loose with northern ireland._ the next i ireland. very briefly? the next prime minister _ ireland. very briefly? the next prime minister is _ ireland. very briefly? the next prime minister is chosen i ireland. very briefly? the next prime minister is chosen by i ireland. very briefly? the next i prime minister is chosen by 150,000 people. _ prime minister is chosen by 150,000 people. completely— prime minister is chosen by 150,000j people, completely unrepresentative of the _ people, completely unrepresentative of the country — people, completely unrepresentative of the country-— of the country. thank you all very much, of the country. thank you all very much. get _ of the country. thank you all very much. get well — of the country. thank you all very much, get well soon _ of the country. thank you all very much, get well soon to _ of the country. thank you all very much, get well soon to your i of the country. thank you all very i much, get well soon to your family, and we will see you back in the studio. and we will see same time

next week. goodbye. hello there. the hosepipe ban is now in force across parts of hampshire and the isle of wight, and over the next week or two there are further bans on the way for other areas of south—east england and south wales, as well. it has been dry again today for the majority of england and wales, but across north wales, northern england, north midlands, scotland, and northern ireland we have seen a mixture of sunny spells and a few passing showers. the big question is, when is it next going to rain in those really parched areas? and, well, i have been looking and struggling to find an answer.

we might next see rain in about ten days' time, or it could be a bit longer than that, maybe as long as two weeks — but either way i think any significant rain is probably going to be towards the last third of august, certainly a long time away. looking at the weather picture overnight, the showers clearing away, but later in the night we will see a band of rain moving into the north—west of scotland, but of course that is not where we particularly need the rain at the moment. temperatures overnight comfortable, 8—12 celsius, and we have still got this fresh, low humidity air across the country, so it's another day when most of us will stay dry with some sunshine. the exception to that is scotland, where we will see some rain at times. for northern ireland and northern england the cloud could just pop up enough to bring the odd fleeting light shower, but not as many as we have seen during the day today. temperatures similar to what we have had over the last couple of days. high teens for northern areas of the uk, the warmest spots about 25 in eastern england. and the weather is going to stay fine for the athletes at the commonwealth games. the second half of the weekend, we will continue to see an odd spot of rain across scotland, but no great amounts here expected

on sunday, and for the bulk of the uk it's a dry day with sunshine. temperatures are starting to rise further. so 21 in aberdeen and 25 this time for cardiff, 27 in london, it's starting to feel very warm, if not edging towards pretty hot. into next week, this area of high pressure is going to be dominating more of the weather picture across the uk and that means more in the way of dry weather for all areas and rising temperatures are expected, as well. for the north of the uk, we have lost those showers we have seen over recent days. it becomes dry for all of scotland with temperatures here running into the low, perhaps mid 20s in the warmest areas, but it becomes quite hot further southwards with temperatures in london and cardiff reaching the low 30s, the hottest areas perhaps up to about 33 in the middle of next week.

this is bbc news. the headlines: a hosepipe ban comes into force in much of hampshire and the isle of wight — with more areas to follow. archie battersbee�*s family have applied to the european court of human rights after losing their latest legal bid to have him moved to a hospice. israel launches multiple air strikes in the gaza strip, killing a senior commander of the palestinian group, islamichhad. at least ten people have been killed, including a child. medical unions warn that going from a fifth to a third of overseas staff in 7 years is unsustainable — we speak to some who've recently arrived. i was a bit nervous but i told myself, you know what lynette, this is what you want to