human rights watch has been documenting abuses under the taliban in the past year. in its most recent report it says the taliban have broken multiple pledges to respect human rights and women's rights, suppressed media and arbitrarily detained, tortured, and executed its critics. heather barr is the associate director of the women's rights division at human rights watch. thank you forjoining us on the programme. you and i have been speaking for a year about this, almost on a regular basis. we were just listening to general mcmaster and to a women's rights activist. this is quite a grim assessment of the situation on the ground? that is riuht. what the situation on the ground? that is right. what was _ the situation on the ground? that is right. what was described _ the situation on the ground? that is right. what was described matches | right. what was described matches our research. i think she said, we have no rights. that is a fair description of the situation for

afghan women today. general mcmaster and i, we know each otherfrom our daysin and i, we know each otherfrom our days in afghanistan, and we haven't always agreed on everything. but i certainly share his sense of disbelief and frustration that the international community has allowed things to reach this point for the afghan people, particularly women and girls. afghan people, particularly women and uirls. ., ., ., ., and girls. you wrote a letter today to afu han and girls. you wrote a letter today to afghan women _ and girls. you wrote a letter today to afghan women and _ and girls. you wrote a letter today to afghan women and girls - and girls. you wrote a letter today to afghan women and girls and - and girls. you wrote a letter today | to afghan women and girls and you started off by saying, i am sorry that the united states and the international community have let you down. one thing i continue to hear from afghan women and girls, and i know you do too, is they ask, have we been forgotten? does anybody care? and if they do, whatever they prepared to do? we care? and if they do, whatever they prepared to do?— prepared to do? we have been so disappointed _ prepared to do? we have been so disappointed and _ prepared to do? we have been so disappointed and frustrated. - prepared to do? we have been so . disappointed and frustrated. perhaps we shouldn't be disappointed because we shouldn't be disappointed because we shouldn't be disappointed because we shouldn't have expected anything else. but by the world's reaction, beginning on august 15, and up to and including today, i think we have

seen so many statements of deep concern, condemnation, clearly every country in the world thinks that, for example, banning girls from secondary school is outrageous and beyond the pale, but all of that adds up to almost nothing in terms of concrete action. there are a couple of things we are trying to push for in the coming month or two. one is, there should be a complete and two to travel band exemptions. we should look for a new additional people who should be added to the travel ban list. every human right to cancel needs to be doing much more to insist there is a red monitoring of human rights violations and really can't ability —— and real accountability. that violations and really can't ability -- and real accountability. that is not place- — -- and real accountability. that is not place. other _ -- and real accountability. that is not place. other than _ -- and real accountability. that is not place. other than the - -- and real accountability. that is not place. other than the travel l not place. other than the travel ban, what else do you propose? there are mechanisms _ ban, what else do you propose? there are mechanisms that _ ban, what else do you propose? there are mechanisms that can _ ban, what else do you propose? ii—urr are mechanisms that can monitor human rights crisis. there are a

commissions that have been ordered in other countries. that is what we need from the human right to cancel at this point. we need a serious, well resourced, large team of people whose job it is to collect evidence and preserve that evidence, so that the crimes being committed in afghanistan right now, including against women and girls, can result in prosecutions. the against women and girls, can result in prosecutions.— against women and girls, can result in prosecutions. the country, people are looking — in prosecutions. the country, people are looking for _ in prosecutions. the country, people are looking for other _ in prosecutions. the country, people are looking for other means - in prosecutions. the country, people are looking for other means and - in prosecutions. the country, people| are looking for other means and ways to educate themselves. but life in the country right now it's incredibly difficult? 50. the country right now it's incredibly difficult? the country right now it's incredibl difficult? ., . incredibly difficult? so, women and uirls are incredibly difficult? so, women and girls are resisting, _ incredibly difficult? so, women and girls are resisting, as _ incredibly difficult? so, women and girls are resisting, as they - incredibly difficult? so, women and girls are resisting, as they always l girls are resisting, as they always have, as they did from 1996 to 2001. we see that in the underground schools, we see that in protesters who risk their lives to come out on the streets again on saturday. but we have to not fool ourselves that underground schools can't replace a

functioning school system. we have to recognise that this is an unprecedented situation except to the extent that it is similar to what happened between 1996 and 2001. we have to ask, what is going on that the world is ready to tolerate this and shrug its shoulders and say, that's an awful shame, too bad i can't do anything.— i can't do anything. heather, thank ou for i can't do anything. heather, thank you forjoining _ i can't do anything. heather, thank you forjoining us _ i can't do anything. heather, thank you forjoining us here _ i can't do anything. heather, thank you forjoining us here a _ i can't do anything. heather, thank you forjoining us here a year- i can't do anything. heather, thank you forjoining us here a year after| you forjoining us here a year after the taliban took control of afghanistan.— the taliban took control of afghanistan. the taliban took control of afuhanistan. ., ., ., afghanistan. thank you for all your work. since the takeover afghanistan's economy has nearly collapsed. before nato and us troops left — and the afghan government was ousted — 45% of the country's economy came from foreign aid. and 90% of afghans lived on an income of less than $2 a day. let's go live to kabul. ramiz alakbarov is the united nations secretary—general�*s deputy special representative for afghanistan.

thank you so much forjoining us. it does feel in many ways, and would you say it is fair to say, that afghanistan is in survival mode? thank you for having me today, and indeed it has been a difficult year for the people of afghanistan. they were in survival mode. half of the population were starving this winter. thanks to the efforts of our partners, the world food programme, unicef, largely starvation was avoided. right now 19 plus million people are in my nutrition stage, and more than 6 million people are actually in aik great malnutrition. —— in my nutrition. it has been difficult. -- in my nutrition. it has been difficult. ., ., , ., -- in my nutrition. it has been difficult. ., ., ., ,, ,, difficult. how do you assess the taliban because _ difficult. how do you assess the taliban because my— difficult. how do you assess the taliban because my transition i difficult. how do you assess the i taliban because my transition from insurgency to government? are they

showing that they understand what it means to run a country of a0 million and to get the economy back into a position where it is not on the verge of collapse? i know a lot of that has to do with the fact that they face sanctions and foreign funds are frozen. the taliban themselves, do they have the to govern? themselves, do they have the to rovern? ~ , ., themselves, do they have the to rovern? ~ ,, . , ., themselves, do they have the to rovern? ~ . , ., , govern? well, you recently have been here. we govern? well, you recently have been here- we have — govern? well, you recently have been here. we have this _ govern? well, you recently have been here. we have this discussion. - govern? well, you recently have been here. we have this discussion. when l here. we have this discussion. when we look at the taliban, their attention was on board a revenue collection and supporting private sector is the mode of recovery and growth. as a result of that they were able to perform a $3 billion budget, which won big and its deficit. let's look at the other side. we used to have a $15.5 billion budget. right now, there is no development plan for any of the social sector areas, and there is no

international development plan which would guide any concerted effort in this area. if you add to this that we have no idea how this to billion—dollar budget is structured, that leads you to the conclusion whether planning for the sector. it feels in many ways as though poverty, extreme poverty, has replaced the security concerns that the country once faced? i replaced the security concerns that the country once faced?— replaced the security concerns that the country once faced? i agree with ou. we the country once faced? i agree with you- we are — the country once faced? i agree with you. we are talking _ the country once faced? i agree with you. we are talking about _ you. we are talking about chronically half of the population, about 20 million people, in constant need of some sort of support, either nutritional or other essential life needs support. you can look at it from that perspective. keep feeding 20 million people, or you go for bottom up growth, focus on the villagers, focus on the farmers and try to create jobs so people can

start feeding themselves. but let's not make the mistake. the recovery of the economy, the banking system, there is no future. afghanistan will not move from surviving to any sort of thriving. that is the current situation. d0 of thriving. that is the current situation. , ., of thriving. that is the current situation-— situation. do you think the international _ situation. do you think the international community i situation. do you think the j international community is situation. do you think the - international community is putting enough pressure on the talilban? girls are still not going to school. women have been pushed completely out of the public eye. you had there from general mcmaster, as well as heather barr from human rights watch, a very grim assessment. as well as the women who were there in kabul, across afghanistan. you meet with them and you hear their stories? ~ , ,., , with them and you hear their stories? ~ , ~ ., , ., , stories? absolutely. afghanistan is a very complex _ stories? absolutely. afghanistan is a very complex space. _ stories? absolutely. afghanistan is a very complex space. it _ stories? absolutely. afghanistan is a very complex space. it is - stories? absolutely. afghanistan is a very complex space. it is located | a very complex space. it is located at the heart of asia. it has always had quite a vibrant economic relationship with its own neighbours, at the people's level. it also has a very diverse context

in which it exists economically and geopolitically. when it comes to the ways of working, we maintain... to us it demonstrates the issues of girls go back to school is not something we discussed. this is non—negotiable. this has been a very consistent message we have given to them. as a result of it, let's face it, today the eighth sector of afghanistan could have benefited from much stronger support of the international community, but it is not having the same level of support. the reasons are very clear. the issues of women's rights and women's education, women's access to jobs, all that we hear around that, is very central and absolutely essential for the resolution of the crisis around afghanistan.- essential for the resolution of the crisis around afghanistan. thank you so much for— crisis around afghanistan. thank you so much forjoining _ crisis around afghanistan. thank you so much forjoining us _ crisis around afghanistan. thank you so much forjoining us here. -

crisis around afghanistan. thank you so much forjoining us here. we - crisis around afghanistan. thank you so much forjoining us here. we will| so much forjoining us here. we will have more on the economy in the next few minutes. let's go back to kabul and speak to our chief international correspondent lyse doucet. you are in kabul, back and forth in the past year. you have seen the dire humanitarian crisis as well and witnessed it? yes, as you say, it is the concern over this deepening humanitarian crisis that seems to have replaced security is the uppermost concern. i met a young wheat farmer, 18 years old, a labourer, in the central province of gora, remote, poor, and he said of the battle against poverty and famine was even bigger than the battle of gunfights. young men and women struggling to find work, struggling to support their families. in a moment we will bring you the report from the central highlands and what to the issue that

has dominated the public perceptions of the taliban's car show. that is the treatment of women and girls. so many women pushed out of prominent positions in afghan society. i am joined by a talilban, i am joined by a doctor. i would you describe the mood among educated women who are still here in kabul? {lilia mood among educated women who are still here in kabul?— still here in kabul? ok, first of alli still here in kabul? ok, first of all i want _ still here in kabul? ok, first of all i want to — still here in kabul? ok, first of all i want to tell _ still here in kabul? ok, first of all i want to tell about - still here in kabul? ok, first of all i want to tell about all- still here in kabul? ok, first of| all i want to tell about all those educated — all i want to tell about all those educated women and girls who are imprisoned in their homes and are not able _ imprisoned in their homes and are not able to— imprisoned in their homes and are not able to get out of their homes or get— not able to get out of their homes or get back— not able to get out of their homes or get back to theirjobs because there _ or get back to theirjobs because there is, — or get back to theirjobs because there is, i— or get back to theirjobs because there is, i believe, i personally believe — there is, i believe, i personally believe that this government are highly— believe that this government are highly afraid of educated women. they have — highly afraid of educated women. they have banned schools and they have banned the universities for a reason _ have banned the universities for a reason. after a few years we won't have _ reason. after a few years we won't have female leaders in this country, which _ have female leaders in this country, which we _ have female leaders in this country, which we need very much. we won't

have female — which we need very much. we won't have female doctors, we won't have female _ have female doctors, we won't have female journalists. have female doctors, we won't have femalejournalists. i have female doctors, we won't have female journalists. i personally feel that — female journalists. i personally feel that they are against education. they are against knowledge and they are very, very afraid _ knowledge and they are very, very afraid of— knowledge and they are very, very afraid of the women in power. the knowledge — afraid of the women in power. the knowledge is like a light in this society, — knowledge is like a light in this society, in— knowledge is like a light in this society, in this community. we need that you _ society, in this community. we need that you fight against the terrorism. but it's completely clear that why _ terrorism. but it's completely clear that why this group has planned the knowledge for only girls. they have enough budget for the bullets, but somehow they can't manage for the education _ somehow they can't manage for the education of girls and four girls going _ education of girls and four girls going back to their schools, going back to _ going back to their schools, going back to theirjobs and universities. i back to theirjobs and universities. i don't _ back to theirjobs and universities. i don't know— back to theirjobs and universities. i don't know why they are ignoring all those _ i don't know why they are ignoring all those women who wants their normal— all those women who wants their normal lives back. as all those women who wants their normal lives back.— all those women who wants their normal lives back. as young afghan women not — normal lives back. as young afghan women not going — normal lives back. as young afghan women not going to _ normal lives back. as young afghan women not going to school, - normal lives back. as young afghan i women not going to school, concerns

about mental health, a number of aid agencies have expressed concern about. un women have told us they are hearing reports of attempted suicides. how does the pressure manifest itself? i suicides. how does the pressure manifest itself?— suicides. how does the pressure manifest itself? i personally does not mean that _ manifest itself? i personally does not mean that afghans _ manifest itself? i personally does not mean that afghans don't - manifest itself? i personally does not mean that afghans don't like | manifest itself? i personally does l not mean that afghans don't like or want or— not mean that afghans don't like or want or appreciate the knowledge. when _ want or appreciate the knowledge. when their ban the schools for girls oriohs_ when their ban the schools for girls oriohs for— when their ban the schools for girls orjobs for women, or when their ban the schools for girls orjobs forwomen, or universities or jobs for women, or universities for other— or jobs for women, or universities for other girls, orjobs forwomen, or universities for other girls, of course this is the normal— for other girls, of course this is the normal thing to happen. we have seen suicide — the normal thing to happen. we have seen suicide cases in the hospital. we have _ seen suicide cases in the hospital. we have seen suicide attempts in the hospital _ we have seen suicide attempts in the hospital. that is quite normal. this is what _ hospital. that is quite normal. this is what happens when they tried to oppress _ is what happens when they tried to oppress and suppress the women in the society — oppress and suppress the women in the society. i highly concede that women — the society. i highly concede that women. and on educated ones are

hiding _ women. and on educated ones are hiding behind marriages. this is what _ hiding behind marriages. this is what is — hiding behind marriages. this is what is going to happen when a country— what is going to happen when a country is — what is going to happen when a country is deprived of the education, such an important issue that we _ education, such an important issue that we should all talk about. i don't _ that we should all talk about. i don't know why the international community is still silent about this _ community is still silent about this~ they— community is still silent about this. they should have taken action against _ this. they should have taken action against this. they are torturing afghah— against this. they are torturing afghan women, they are torturing afghah_ afghan women, they are torturing afghan girls, just because they are against _ afghan girls, just because they are against knowledge. i have seen that afghanistan has become a playground for politics. misusing the name of islam. _ for politics. misusing the name of islam, misusing the name of politics _ islam, misusing the name of politics. they are playing because their own — politics. they are playing because their own personal benefits with the country's _ their own personal benefits with the country's future.— country's future. briefly, have you not an country's future. briefly, have you got any hope _ country's future. briefly, have you got any hope left? _ country's future. briefly, have you got any hope left? it _ country's future. briefly, have you got any hope left? it is _ country's future. briefly, have you got any hope left? it is a - got any hope left? it is a pre-depressive - got any hope left? it is a pre-depressive situation j got any hope left? it is a i pre-depressive situation for got any hope left? it is a - pre-depressive situation for me. got any hope left? it is a _ pre-depressive situation for me. -- pre—depressive situation for me. —— very depressive. i should still have hope. _ very depressive. i should still have hope. but — very depressive. i should still have hope, but when i see the patients, when _

hope, but when i see the patients, when i _ hope, but when i see the patients, when i see — hope, but when i see the patients, when i see the women getting tortured — when i see the women getting tortured because of their gender, simply, _ tortured because of their gender, simply, because you are a woman they don't consider yourself —— you a good _ don't consider yourself —— you a good enough. sol don't consider yourself —— you a good enough. so i want to still have hope _ good enough. so i want to still have hope but _ good enough. so i want to still have hope but sometimes it looks very, very impossible to still have hope with his _ very impossible to still have hope with his government, because this government does not seem like a normal— government does not seem like a normal government. this government does not _ normal government. this government does not seem like a government who is with— does not seem like a government who is with people. it looks much more like these — is with people. it looks much more like these soldiers are against people — like these soldiers are against people. they are using people for their own — people. they are using people for their own benefits from getting recognised. we have to live with their— recognised. we have to live with their thank you for joining us with your very strong views— joining us with your very strong views on— joining us with your very strong views on the pressures on afghan women _ views on the pressures on afghan women. you can sense the determination of afghan women to keep fighting. determination of afghan women to keep fighting-— keep fighting. when afghans are fiuuhtin , keep fighting. when afghans are fighting. both — keep fighting. when afghans are fighting, both men _ keep fighting. when afghans are fighting, both men and - keep fighting. when afghans are fighting, both men and women, | keep fighting. when afghans are - fighting, both men and women, they are fighting for many families. it is a hand to mouth existence. we travelled to the central highlands

of afghanistan, one of the poorest communities now suffering multiple crises. this is chaghcha ran. it means "a place where people eat dry straw". the name, given a half—century ago, in memory of a punishing drought. it is still written into this life, this land. now the people of these central highlands are again living and dying in drought. three years of it. "khushk" is what you hear. khushk means "dry". look at the wheat. the land is dry, the rivers are dry, there's not even snow on these stunning mountains. and look at the faces of these men. they have lived for decades with drought, with poverty, but nothing like they are seeing this year. and the world's crises have come to their door. climate change is to blame, the conflict in ukraine means

fertiliser is prices high. translation: nothing i is green, we cannot farm, we don't have anything, we cannot grow our wheat. khushk? it's dry, it's dry. we travelled with a british charity afghan aid. it has been working here for many years. they brought drought—resista nt wheat. it is not enough. this year is the most severe and worst year, in comparison to every year that we have been working here. because of the drought, climate change. if that continues, there is a fear that we should not allow to go to that situation that people have died because of not having food. the greatest fear, famine. there has already been signs of it this year in this province. the day we visit the only malnutrition clinic, there are nearly a0 patients, only ten beds. this boy is 15 months old.

his mother died giving birth. it is a bad situation, it is worse than yemen. it is worse than yemen? than yemen, yeah. the main problem is the poor situation of the people. their poverty is leading ccause of this kind of illness. poverty. the economy all but collapsed when the taliban took over. the west stopped aid to their government, froze their assets. these are the men in charge here. the provincial cabinet. taliban governor ahmad shah din dost fought in the long war which ended last august. he tells me he was imprisoned, tortured by us forces. for him, this war isn't over. translation: the prison

time hurt my pride. - i will keep fighting until i am dead. i am not tired of fighting and i don't like peace. younger educated members of his team seem to take a different tack, as the taliban struggle to move from guns to government. translation: the most important thing is the i condition of the people. and the worsening economic condition of afghanistan. the health crisis which is affecting afghanistan right now needs attention and does not need to involve politics. we have to save people's lives. in a midsummer harvest, thoughts already turn to winter. what if humanitarian aid dries up and the taliban do not do more for their people? a people who've renamed their provincial capital, not chaghcharan, eaters of dry

straw, but firozkoh, for their unshakeable mountains, standing up to adversity, but searching for help. lease to said reporting on the humanitarian situation. so a year on, this is what the afghan economy looks like. the un development programme estimates the country's gdp contracted by 20—percent since the taliban's takeover. (00v) per capita income has plummeted... while prices of essentials are up by 35%. and an estimated 700,000 jobs have been lost since this date a year ago, with women's participation in the labour market dropping by 16%. for more on this, let's go live to new york. kanni wignaraja is asia—pacific director of the united nations' development program. thank you forjoining us here on the programme. it has been a year since the taliban took over. we have just read some statistics there and the

impact on the economy. ijust want your reflections and observations? well, you're very right. in six months, the first six months of the taliban takeover, we saw an economic crash that we haven't seen anywhere in the world. in syria, it took six years for that level of crash to be seen. so, when you see almost all afghans getting rapidly poorer, we are stuck with saying, well, here is another winter coming on, and can we again go into a cycle of relief? my read of all of these economic factors, and these harsh, deep poverty, is we've got to break this cycle and do something very different in this country. it does feel like this _ different in this country. it does feel like this is _ different in this country. it does feel like this is almost - different in this country. it does feel like this is almost like - different in this country. it does feel like this is almost like a - different in this country. it does l feel like this is almost like a band aid approach, from one winter to the

next, just trying to resolve the crisis at hand rather than trying to sort of deal with this collapsed economy. help our audiences to understand why this sudden crash and collapse that you talk about, some of the reasons? you talk about how syria took six years. why did virtually happen overnight in afghanistan?— virtually happen overnight in afuhanistan? ~ ., virtually happen overnight in afuhanistan? ~ ~ ., , ., virtually happen overnight in afuhanistan? ~ ., ., afghanistan? well, afghanistan was a much smaller — afghanistan? well, afghanistan was a much smaller economy _ afghanistan? well, afghanistan was a much smaller economy to _ afghanistan? well, afghanistan was a much smaller economy to start - afghanistan? well, afghanistan was a much smaller economy to start with. l much smaller economy to start with. we are talking about a $20 billion economy pre—taliban takeover for a0 million people. if you just look at a comparative, poland, same number of people, $a20 billion economy. so when it crashes you are taking the bottom out of a very fragile economy that had been so heavily dependent on foreign aid. so, this is something that we have all got to, as an international community, look at and see what can be done very

differently, because it is a very costly operation to keep trying to port a relief operation in a place where you need to jump—start local, micro—economies. afghanistan has never been a national economy. it has always been a series of micro—economies. so, you've got to go in and say, can wejump the domestic markets, localised markets, and people pausejobs and their livelihoods, in the locations they are? and hope that really resuscitate and pushes back a huge war on poverty, which is what it is. just also explain the impact of women being pushed out of the public eye on the economy and in general on afghan society?— afghan society? well, undp has estimated that _

afghan society? well, undp has estimated that of _ afghan society? well, undp has estimated that of those - afghan society? well, undp has| estimated that of those 700,000 afghan society? well, undp has - estimated that of those 700,000 jobs lost, the majority of that was women's work. they were either told no more coming into work or these jobs are now for men. that is about $1 billion loss to the economy. so 5% of gdp contraction just on that alone. no country can grow, even prosper, without women coming back to work. so just keeping them on the box and saying, well, we are continuing to pay them, which is a pittance of the salary they use to get, this is not going to do it. so for us, as the un, it is absolutely essential that we keep the pressure on, but we are asking the whole international community to keep the pressure on, and getting women back to full employment and getting girls back to school. to me, those two are essential if the country is to be governed and to get out of this

situation it is in right now. thank ou so situation it is in right now. thank you so much _ situation it is in right now. thank you so much for— situation it is in right now. thank you so much forjoining - situation it is in right now. thank you so much forjoining us. - situation it is in right now. thank| you so much forjoining us. thank you so much for “oining us. thank ou. after the taliban takeover of the country, terror attacks claimed by islamic state of khorosan province — or iskp — have been on the rise. iskp militants claimed the huge attack on kabul airport in august last year that killed more than 175 people. iskp is an offshoot of the violent islamist group that calls itself the islamic state. it was formed in 201a by breakaway fighters of the pakistan taliban and afghan fighters who pledged allegiance to the late is leader, abu bakr al—baghdadi. iskp has strong roots in northeastern afghanistan but set up sleeper cells in kabul and other provinces. afghani journalist fazelminallah qazizai is the correspondent for the magazine new lines. he has recently interviewed leaders of islamic state of khorosan province. thank you forjoining us here on the programme. you have been researching the presence of iskp for many years.

what is your assessment of the threat today?— what is your assessment of the threat today? what is your assessment of the threat toda ? ., , , ., threat today? thanks. the study and investigation — threat today? thanks. the study and investigation was _ threat today? thanks. the study and investigation was done _ threat today? thanks. the study and investigation was done by _ threat today? thanks. the study and investigation was done by me. - threat today? thanks. the study and investigation was done by me. we i investigation was done by me. we carried out interviews and an investigation on the ground. yes, as you now, after the fall of kabul last year, the only threat which afghans are phased, especially some sectarian minorities, and the taliban is from diolch, or iskp. they are the only big threat to security at this moment. this is something _ security at this moment. this is something that _ security at this moment. this is something that of _ security at this moment. this is something that of the - security at this moment. this is something that of the taliban i security at this moment. this is - something that of the taliban choose to downplay. i went on a number of iskp raids on their sleeper cells. the taliban say this is a minor

issue and they are trying to resolve it? , ., ., , ., it? yes, the taliban are trying to not show it _ it? yes, the taliban are trying to not show it as _ it? yes, the taliban are trying to not show it as it _ it? yes, the taliban are trying to not show it as it is. _ it? yes, the taliban are trying to not show it as it is. but - it? yes, the taliban are trying to not show it as it is. but the - it? yes, the taliban are trying to not show it as it is. but the truth is that the only threat which has made everyone worried, including the taliban, is iskp. they are much bigger, much stronger, much more equipped with strong explosives that make the news here. so if i am honest, iskp is a big threat and everybody should acknowledge that. just very briefly, would you say it is fair to say that the taliban have become the new government and iskp

have become the new taliban. it is a must like a vicious cycle? h0. have become the new taliban. it is a must like a vicious cycle?— must like a vicious cycle? no, i do not a . ree must like a vicious cycle? no, i do not agree with _ must like a vicious cycle? no, i do not agree with that _ must like a vicious cycle? no, i do not agree with that because - must like a vicious cycle? no, i do not agree with that because the i not agree with that because the talilban are backed by strong islamic ideologues across the islamic ideologues across the islamic world. they are backed by a massive number of scholars in afghanistan. they have a religious pace and a religious background in the side the country and outside. yes, i can say that iskp right now is the only threat to the taliban. the taliban are much stronger much better. ., . , the taliban are much stronger much better. ., ., , ., better. unfortunately, we have run out of time- _ better. unfortunately, we have run out of time. thank _ better. unfortunately, we have run out of time. thank you _ better. unfortunately, we have run out of time. thank you so - better. unfortunately, we have run out of time. thank you so much . better. unfortunately, we have runj out of time. thank you so much for your investigation and forjoining

us. ouraudience your investigation and forjoining us. our audience can read that online. that is it from me and our guests. stay with us, we have got general petraeus in the next few minutes.

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