hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are the broadcaster and psychotherapist, lucy beresford, and joe twyman, who's director of the polling organisation deltapoll. back to both of them in a moment, first here is a breakdown of tomorrow's front pages. the sunday times frontpage — uk students must pay tuition fees closer to £24,000 a year or lose their places to applicants overseas, urge university bosses. the sunday mirror reports 2.6 million of subsidised meals were binned in the houses of parliament, as soaring food prices hit family households, waste—minster, is its headline. the sunday express says britain's business are being urged to get ready for a trade deal predicted

to open up a post—brexit market of around half a billion. the sunday telegraph follows the conservative race to become prime minister — as candidate liz truss pledges to halt the exodus of nhs doctors and clear the surging back log and waiting lists. the observer has a picturesque autumn photo, and yet it's the middle of august — experts say heatwaves and dry weather has pushed trees into survival mode. no survival mode here, good to have you back on with us. we will get cracking. the sunday times is where we will start. universities push for vital tuition fee rise. the we will start. universities push for vital tuition fee rise.— vital tuition fee rise. the funding of hi . her vital tuition fee rise. the funding of higher education _ vital tuition fee rise. the funding of higher education has - vital tuition fee rise. the funding of higher education has been - vital tuition fee rise. the funding of higher education has been a i of higher education has been a difficult — of higher education has been a difficult political issue for decades, and many governments of all different_ decades, and many governments of all different colours have really suffered in the polls as a result of the position they have taken. the

liberal_ the position they have taken. the liberal democrats really suffered over the — liberal democrats really suffered over the issue in 2010 when they 'oin over the issue in 2010 when they join the — over the issue in 2010 when they join the coalition with labour, and more _ join the coalition with labour, and more recently it was the conservatives to increase tuition fees to _ conservatives to increase tuition fees to £9,250 per year back in 2011— fees to £9,250 per year back in 2017. now, the times has interviews with chancellors from universities who have — with chancellors from universities who have all asked for increases in fees to— who have all asked for increases in fees to he — who have all asked for increases in fees to be made. 0ne who have all asked for increases in fees to be made. one has gone so far to say— fees to be made. one has gone so far to say that _ fees to be made. one has gone so far to say that if — fees to be made. one has gone so far to say that if increases are not made. — to say that if increases are not made, students from overseas will have to _ made, students from overseas will have to coming in greater numbers to subsidise _ have to coming in greater numbers to subsidise further the number of, the amount— subsidise further the number of, the amount of— subsidise further the number of, the amount of money that comes into the sector~ _ amount of money that comes into the sector~ this— amount of money that comes into the sector. this is an extremely difficult _ sector. this is an extremely difficult issue, because universities have to be paid for by the government, either the students can the government, either the students cah pay— the government, either the students can pay more themselves, or the government can pay more out of generat— government can pay more out of general taxation or graduate tax, and finding that balance along that line has— and finding that balance along that

line has proved difficult, with the inflation — line has proved difficult, with the inflation rate as high as it is, keeping _ inflation rate as high as it is, keeping fees at the same level is simply— keeping fees at the same level is simply going to be unsustainable, and it— simply going to be unsustainable, and it witi— simply going to be unsustainable, and it will mean that in years to coma, _ and it will mean that in years to come. in — and it will mean that in years to come, in realterms, the and it will mean that in years to come, in real terms, the loss of revenue — come, in real terms, the loss of revenue will _ come, in real terms, the loss of revenue will be significant. they should _ revenue will be significant. they should rise, but by how much is unclean — should rise, but by how much is unclear. any leader of the conservative party will want to tackle — conservative party will want to tackle this, of course exam results are coming — tackle this, of course exam results are coming out this week. in tackle this, of course exam results are coming out this week.- are coming out this week. in final be the results _ are coming out this week. in final be the results that _ are coming out this week. in final be the results that -- _ are coming out this week. in final be the results that -- it - are coming out this week. in final be the results that -- it might - are coming out this week. in final| be the results that -- it might not be the results that —— it might not be the results that —— it might not be the results that —— it might not be the news that people getting exam results want to hear. taste be the news that people getting exam results want to hear.— results want to hear. we have to look at it another _ results want to hear. we have to look at it another way, _ results want to hear. we have to look at it another way, at - results want to hear. we have to look at it another way, at the - look at it another way, at the moment we do get some of the top universities attracting one in five of their students from overseas countries, and that speaks of how highly attractive it is for many people to come and study in the uk,

to get that qualification from a uk university, and they are prepared to pay for that. the universities are saying, that is very good for us, because our funding model is such that we really do need to attract those high rolling students. the problem is, that might squeeze out the uk students who wish to applied to universities, there is a huge falloff, and they are saying that certain universities like the oxford universities in bristol, they had turned away four out of ten uk candidates, and that is the highest rejection rate ever recorded. if the prime ministry did not have enough in their in tray, this is going to be another conversation that the universities will want to have with whoever the new prime minister will saying can we have a look at our funding model? i don't think it is a

bad thing that overseas students come here, but it is clearly worrying that british students cannot get to the universities they want to want to go to, because there are not enough places. and are not enough places. and ultimately. _ are not enough places. and ultimately, we _ are not enough places. and ultimately, we want - are not enough places. and ultimately, we want to - are not enough places. and ultimately, we want to encourage our own british students to achieve at university, so is there any other option available here to help address that balance? ah, option available here to help address that balance? a successive governments _ address that balance? a successive governments have _ address that balance? a successive governments have made _ address that balance? a successive governments have made efforts - address that balance? a successive governments have made efforts to| governments have made efforts to increase _ governments have made efforts to increase university attendance, there _ increase university attendance, there is — increase university attendance, there is a — increase university attendance, there is a widely held belief in british— there is a widely held belief in british politics this is a good thing. — british politics this is a good thing, because the type ofjobs that need to— thing, because the type ofjobs that need to he — thing, because the type ofjobs that need to be done in the next few decades— need to be done in the next few decades will require university level— decades will require university level training. decades will require university leveltraining. but, it all decades will require university level training. but, it all has to be level training. but, it all has to he paid — level training. but, it all has to be paid for. alternatives have been put forward, andy burnham is a big proponent— put forward, andy burnham is a big proponent of a graduate tax, that is not without — proponent of a graduate tax, that is not without problem. jeremy corbyn suggested paying out of general taxation, but critics of that idea say that — taxation, but critics of that idea say that not everyone can afford to id

say that not everyone can afford to go to _ say that not everyone can afford to go to university, but similarly not everyone — go to university, but similarly not everyone should have to pay for those _ everyone should have to pay for those who — everyone should have to pay for those who do go to university. so, it is an _ those who do go to university. so, it is an extremely difficult political tightrope to walk, but one way or— political tightrope to walk, but one way or the — political tightrope to walk, but one way or the other, the universities need _ way or the other, the universities need to— way or the other, the universities need to he — way or the other, the universities need to be paid for, and only a certain— need to be paid for, and only a certain amount of that can be paid for by— certain amount of that can be paid for by subsidising british students through— for by subsidising british students through overseas students. it is yet another matter _ through overseas students. it is yet another matter which _ through overseas students. it is yet another matter which will _ through overseas students. it is yet another matter which will play - through overseas students. it is yet another matter which will play out | another matter which will play out over the next two weeks, on which, the observer, fears of trust's tax cut plans. —— fears of liz truss's tax cut plans. cut plans. -- fears of liz truss's tax cut plans— cut plans. -- fears of liz truss's tax cut plans. there is increasing nervousness _ tax cut plans. there is increasing nervousness about _ tax cut plans. there is increasing nervousness about some - tax cut plans. there is increasing nervousness about some of - tax cut plans. there is increasing nervousness about some of the i tax cut plans. there is increasing i nervousness about some of the tax plans are put forward by the candidates to address the cost of living crisis in particular, and that they are simply not going down well with the electorate. paul is coming out in the last few hours have said that labour have increased

their polling rate over notjust the conservatives, but also if the electorate is asked to comment on whether they prefer keir starmer as a leader or liz truss or rishi sunak, actually keir starmer is reading that with the majority of voters. this is causing, as you would expect, senior tories have a major wobble. this comes on the back of keir starmer�*s plan to freeze energy prices, which is an incredibly straightforward policy announcement, and it is very easy for the opposition parties to come up for the opposition parties to come up with political policies that sound very attractive, but you never know whether they will hold water when they get into power. the key thing about this particular policy is that it is so straightforward, the electorate have really got

behind it. polling suggests that it is landed very well, and that has got tory grandees very worried, as perhaps they should be, because what we have really hoped to have seen, given the fact that the tory leadership contest has gone on for so long, and we have another two weeks ago, some really viable plans with some attractive policies would really have helped perhaps ignite the leadership contest. so far, that has not happened. it the leadership contest. so far, that has not happened.— has not happened. it appears sir keir starmer _ has not happened. it appears sir keir starmer is _ has not happened. it appears sir keir starmer is doing _ has not happened. it appears sir keir starmer is doing something | keir starmer is doing something right. you either director of a polling organisation, break down the on this one? the polling organisation, break down the on this one?— on this one? the most recent polls show that the _ on this one? the most recent polls show that the labour _ on this one? the most recent polls show that the labour party - on this one? the most recent polls show that the labour party has - on this one? the most recent polls show that the labour party has a l show that the labour party has a lead of— show that the labour party has a lead of between 15 and 8%, which is quite _ lead of between 15 and 8%, which is quite a _ lead of between 15 and 8%, which is quite a rate — lead of between 15 and 8%, which is quite a rate range, but that kind of leaders _ quite a rate range, but that kind of leaders what labour enjoyed just before _ leaders what labour enjoyed just before borisjohnson resigned. since then, _ before borisjohnson resigned. since then, the _ before borisjohnson resigned. since then, the candidates for the

leadership specifically i spent a lot of— leadership specifically i spent a lot of time pop discussing policy and ideas — lot of time pop discussing policy and ideas that are deliberately designed to appeal to the conservative party membership, this group _ conservative party membership, this group of— conservative party membership, this group of however many people, 160.000. — group of however many people, 160,000, roughly, they hope these policies _ 160,000, roughly, they hope these policies will appeal to them. it's clear— policies will appeal to them. it's clear in— policies will appeal to them. it's clear in the polling for now, that the policies and the positions on the policies and the positions on the personalities that these leadership candidates are put forward, _ leadership candidates are put forward, they are simply not yet appealing — forward, they are simply not yet appealing to the electorate. so, it is all— appealing to the electorate. so, it is all very— appealing to the electorate. so, it is all very well winning over conservative mps, and conservative party— conservative mps, and conservative party members, but if you cannot win the electorate you are doomed. conservatives are in a difficult position— conservatives are in a difficult position at the moment, of course, howls _ position at the moment, of course, howls are _ position at the moment, of course, bowls are only ever a snapshot of public _ bowls are only ever a snapshot of public opinion at the given time. the conservative party will hope that under a new leader they will be able to— that under a new leader they will be able to significantly improve their position— able to significantly improve their position between now and whenever the next _ position between now and whenever the next election is, because if they— the next election is, because if they don't. _ the next election is, because if they don't, they could be in real trouble~ — they don't, they could be in real trouble. the problem they may face

is that— trouble. the problem they may face is that with — trouble. the problem they may face is that with the cost of living crisis. — is that with the cost of living crisis. and _ is that with the cost of living crisis, and everything else coming up, crisis, and everything else coming up. this— crisis, and everything else coming up, this may actually be one of the best positions they find themselves in. �* ., ., ., ., , in. before we move on, i was wondering — in. before we move on, i was wondering if _ in. before we move on, i was wondering if we _ in. before we move on, i was wondering if we can - in. before we move on, i was wondering if we can get - in. before we move on, i was wondering if we can get your| wondering if we can get your assessment on where we are with his leadership contest. like you mentioned, we are two weeks out now, rishi sunak got the support of michael gove today, but your assessment? that michael gove today, but your assessment?— michael gove today, but your assessment? . ., , assessment? at the moment it is thou~ht assessment? at the moment it is thought that _ assessment? at the moment it is thought that at _ assessment? at the moment it is thought that at least _ assessment? at the moment it is thought that at least 50x. - assessment? at the moment it is thought that at least 5096 of - assessment? at the moment it is | thought that at least 5096 of those thought that at least 50% of those conservative party members have already voted, so even though we have another two weeks to run, there's a possibility that it is not really matter, and at the moment liz truss is thought to be way ahead, and therefore one does wonder, why it has gone on for this amount of time. i can't think it is very effective way of reaching very many people, particularly if you're trying to do it during august when so many people are on holiday, it starts to become incredibly

repetitive. yes, you have lots of hustings in local areas, but all the ones that have been broadcast, very few of them have actually come up with any electrifying moments that have completely changed the game for one candidate or the other. at the moment, it feels like everyone is treading water. that moment, it feels like everyone is treading water.— moment, it feels like everyone is treadin: water. �* ., ., , treading water. at the moment taxes and cost of living _ treading water. at the moment taxes and cost of living are _ treading water. at the moment taxes and cost of living are dominating - and cost of living are dominating both sides of this leadership contest. to the sunday telegraph, the nhs features four of liz truss, it appears to be a top priority of hers. ,, ., _ ., it appears to be a top priority of hers. ,, ., ., ., �* hers. she would say that, wouldn't she? the nhs _ hers. she would say that, wouldn't she? the nhs is— hers. she would say that, wouldn't she? the nhs is a _ hers. she would say that, wouldn't she? the nhs is a hugely - hers. she would say that, wouldn'tl she? the nhs is a hugely important issue _ she? the nhs is a hugely important issue in— she? the nhs is a hugely important issue in this — she? the nhs is a hugely important issue in this country at the best of times, _ issue in this country at the best of times, and — issue in this country at the best of times, and these are far from the best of— times, and these are far from the best of times. we have a situation where _ best of times. we have a situation where in _ best of times. we have a situation where in every winter we see the nhs place under— where in every winter we see the nhs place under strain, we see difficult headlines— place under strain, we see difficult headlines in the newspaper for whoever— headlines in the newspaper for whoever the government is, and this winter— whoever the government is, and this winter is _ whoever the government is, and this winter is likely to be more difficult _ winter is likely to be more difficult than most given everything that is— difficult than most given everything that is going on. part of the problem _ that is going on. part of the problem is that many people within

the nhs, _ problem is that many people within the nhs, particularly in this article. _ the nhs, particularly in this article, doctors and consultants, are retiring. they are leaving due to complicated reasons around the threshold — to complicated reasons around the threshold for pension payments, and so li2— threshold for pension payments, and so liz truss— threshold for pension payments, and so liz truss has promised radical reforms — so liz truss has promised radical reforms which will be announced to address— reforms which will be announced to address issues within the nhs, that one of— address issues within the nhs, that one of these is to do with the specific— one of these is to do with the specific pensions for consultants, and others — specific pensions for consultants, and others so that they can put more money— and others so that they can put more money into— and others so that they can put more money into their pension pots. now, my sense _ money into their pension pots. now, my sense is — money into their pension pots. now, my sense is that this is quite a nuanced — my sense is that this is quite a nuanced issue, and although it is focusing — nuanced issue, and although it is focusing on— nuanced issue, and although it is focusing on the detail, i don't think— focusing on the detail, i don't think it — focusing on the detail, i don't think it is _ focusing on the detail, i don't think it is the type of thing that would — think it is the type of thing that would necessarily resonate, certainlv _ would necessarily resonate, certainly not in an emotional level, with the _ certainly not in an emotional level, with the electorate, who will look at these — with the electorate, who will look at these solutions and think that is going _ at these solutions and think that is going to _ at these solutions and think that is going to make the nhs better come this winter. i'm sure many in the nhs— this winter. i'm sure many in the nhs would — this winter. i'm sure many in the nhs would agree it is a move in the i’ili'it nhs would agree it is a move in the right direction, but with so many issues _ right direction, but with so many issues within health to be addressed and dealt _ issues within health to be addressed and dealt with over the next weeks, months _ and dealt with over the next weeks, months and — and dealt with over the next weeks, months and years, i think this is one small— months and years, i think this is one small movement that is intended

to demonstrate liz truss's credentials rather than actually make _ credentials rather than actually make a — credentials rather than actually make a significant difference. this article seems _ make a significant difference. this article seems to _ make a significant difference. t'i 3 article seems to focus on the red tape behind the nhs, but what about the pandemic, equalling people leaving the nhs because they could not face the queues, the waiting lists, the pressures that the pandemic put on the nhs, so is it all about the red tape and the pensions? it all about the red tape and the pensions?— all about the red tape and the ensions? , ., , ., , pensions? it is not 'ust about these two things. _ pensions? it is not 'ust about these two things. but— pensions? it is notjust about these two things, but one _ pensions? it is notjust about these two things, but one thing _ pensions? it is notjust about these two things, but one thing i - pensions? it is notjust about these two things, but one thing i would . two things, but one thing i would say about the red tape is that liz truss wants to eliminate the lengthy training courses that people who have retired apparently have to go on in order to come back. the example that is given is that many of the retired staff, who were brought back to administer vaccines during the pandemic, they were

required to provide 21 pieces of evidence, including government's prevents radicalisation programme, which of course sounds ridiculous, apart from the fact that if you do bring people who have retired back into the force, as a person who uses the nhs, one would hope that these people have somehow kept up their professional development, and therefore some of the training courses might actually be very necessary. i am nervous it bout throwing the baby out with the bath water, in terms of saying that she will cut all the red tape completely, because of course, some of that red tape may be for a protection. you're absolutely right, it is such a massive, chronic backlog, that actually quite a lot of gps and consultants are expected to retire in the next 18 months, and thatis to retire in the next 18 months, and that is only going to make a really severe situation even worse. we already know that ambulances are queueing up outside hospitals, we hear tragic stories of people who are having to wait sometimes overnight, the elderly are forced to

wait in corridors or even outside hospitals. this is a shambolic situation, and along with the cost of living, this has to be the new thing the prime minister really deals with on day one. latte thing the prime minister really deals with on day one.- deals with on day one. we are runnint deals with on day one. we are running out — deals with on day one. we are running out of _ deals with on day one. we are running out of time, - deals with on day one. we are running out of time, that - deals with on day one. we are running out of time, that i - deals with on day one. we are. running out of time, that i want deals with on day one. we are - running out of time, that i want to squeeze in this story from the observer. libraries to offer warm 0bserver. libraries to offer warm shelter for the winter. observer. libraries to offer warm shelter for the winter.— shelter for the winter. libraries and museums _ shelter for the winter. libraries and museums are _ shelter for the winter. libraries and museums are seen - shelter for the winter. libraries and museums are seen as - shelter for the winter. libraries and museums are seen as a - shelter for the winter. libraries | and museums are seen as a safe shelter for the winter. libraries - and museums are seen as a safe haven for people _ and museums are seen as a safe haven for people is— and museums are seen as a safe haven for people is struggling with the energy— for people is struggling with the energy bills and the cost of living crisis _ energy bills and the cost of living crisis 0f— energy bills and the cost of living crisis. of course, their own heating bills crisis. of course, their own heating bills will— crisis. of course, their own heating bills will be — crisis. of course, their own heating bills will be going up, so they are asking _ bills will be going up, so they are asking for— bills will be going up, so they are asking for support from the government, and libraries and museums— government, and libraries and museums are not evenly distributed across— museums are not evenly distributed across the _ museums are not evenly distributed across the country, there is a dominance _ across the country, there is a dominance of them in central london, and fewer— dominance of them in central london, and fewer in _ dominance of them in central london, and fewer in poorer areas which were more _ and fewer in poorer areas which were

more likely— and fewer in poorer areas which were more likely to require help. i think it is a _ more likely to require help. i think it is a positive