this is bbc news. i'm shaun ley. the headlines at eight. millions of households face an 80% rise in energy bills from october driven by the leap in hotel guests. i accept it tougher people, and we're doing everything we can to help. huge sums are being spent now and more will be spent and months ahead. ~ �* ., ., ., , , ahead. we've got two leadership candidates fighting _ ahead. we've got two leadership candidates fighting with - ahead. we've got two leadership candidates fighting with each - ahead. we've got two leadership l candidates fighting with each other about— candidates fighting with each other about how appalling they've been in government and either have come up with any— government and either have come up with any plan to deal with this — unforgivable. the with any plan to deal with this - unforgivable._ with any plan to deal with this - unfor: ivable. , , . , unforgivable. the justice department in the united — unforgivable. the justice department in the united states _ unforgivable. the justice department in the united states releases - unforgivable. the justice department in the united states releases a - in the united states releases a heavily redacted court document used forjust heavily redacted court document used for just the search

heavily redacted court document used forjust the search of donald trump's home. tributes paid to nine—year—old olivia pratt korbel. good evening. it's been confirmed that energy bills will soar by 80% in october for tens of millions of people in england, scotland and wales, causing real hardship for many who are already coping with a steep rise in the cost of living. it's the result of the regulator ofgem increasing its price cap — that's the maximum amount that people on a standard variable tariff can be charged per unit of energy. the bbc�*s business editor, simonjack, reports. abby dezso is a single mum living in ipswich. the energy price rise will hit her hard. she has a part—timejob which earns her £1000 a month,

but her energy bill is going up from £80 to £250 in october, which she will struggle to find. is there anything you can cut? honestly. . . no. as she looks at her stretched budget, her primary concern is for her children. you don't want them to go without, so as long as they're fed, that's my main priority. as long as i fed them, i don't really mind. if i can sort them out, i'm happy with a bit of toast, that doesn't bother me. but you just know that they're going to end up going without. announcing the new prices this morning, the regulator said it would fall to government to help households face this crisis. the truth is, this is beyond the capacity of the regulator and the industry to address. so, what we are saying today is we have ten days now until we have a new administration and we have a new prime minister and a new ministerial team. what i am clear about is the prime minister, with his or her ministerial team, will need to act urgently

and decisively to address this. households in england, scotland and wales will get a £400 discount on bills, and people on qualifying benefits are eligible for an additional £650 from october under support already announced. there is a separate scheme for northern ireland. today, the prime minister said his successor would provide more. there's a pipeline of cash coming through over the next few months and through the autumn and winter, but that is clearly now going to be augmented, increased, by extra cash that the government is plainly going to be announcing in september. while the labour leader said prices needed to be held where they are now. we need to have a freeze on those energy prices, do not let them go up to those levels, and pay for that in part by a windfall tax on the oil and gas companies on those excess profits. so, how on earth did we get here? well, this is how. this is the wholesale price of gas.

it's not controlled by government or companies or regulators, it's driven by international supply and demand. you can see there, the russian invasion of ukraine, which sent it rocketing, and it soared again in recent weeks as countries scramble to buy up supplies of gas before the winter. and it's those wholesale prices driving our bills — that's the big chunk in blue there. now, liz truss has promised to suspend this little green bit down here, that's the social and environmental policy cost. rishi sunak says he'll cut the yellow bit there — that's vat on fuel. so, little wonder there are calls for much more support than currently are on offer, especially as the industry experts who got today's number right have been saying that bills could hit over £5,000 injanuary and over £6,000 in april. back in ipswich, people at a local community centre were shocked and angry. it's actually made me feel ill, physically ill, to hear that figure. it's even higher, i think, than we were expecting. it's a nightmare, and most people can't afford it. i think of families. i'm a pensionerand

i've got a struggle. it's almost an unimaginable number, iyou know, the sort of price of bills. that we're going to be facing come january as well. - have you contacted us before? at the local citizens advice, many are seeking help for the first time. i asked the chief executive nicky willshere how she felt about the winter ahead. terrifying. i mean, i'm really worried about families and households, whether they're single households or not. the cost of energy is unbearable now, without it going up. and i don't know how households are going to manage, i can just see that demand on our services and other voluntary sector services are going to go through the roof. most people's heating isn't on yet, and there is every reason to postpone that moment as long as possible. simon jack, bbc news. the regulator ofgem has urged the government to take urgent action, but it's been made clear that no big decisions will be made until the new prime minister

is declared on september 5th. borisjohnson said today there will be "extra cash" to support households. but labour accused the two conservative leadership candidates — liz truss and rishi sunak — of having "almost nothing to say" on the issue. our economics editor faisal islam looks at what options the next government could use to help bill payers. a sense of scale is important when considering the size of the issue. bills of £296 per month going into the winter will be unthinkable, and some predictions that suggest they could go north of £500 a month next year. that's more than average household's monthly income tax bill. out of all those bills, you get a giant dent in the economy, a significant challenge for the new prime minister. we aren't tearing

much detailfrom either prime minister. we aren't tearing much detail from either camp, prime minister. we aren't tearing much detailfrom either camp, but we can do some calculations. it would cost the government an additional £18 billion if it wants to be as compelling gently generous as it was in may. if it's expected to last across next year, you could expect to double that. but if, as the opposition suggests, the increase could be scrapped for everyone, the cost would be 90— £100 billion. you cost would be 90- £100 billion. you can certainly — cost would be 90— £100 billion. w'm. can certainly argue that oneonce prices are so big, the best option is to go for something much more comprehensive and just tolerate the fact that some people are on high incomes, some who don't need the support will be getting the extra support. you might think that's just better than a targeted approach, which is inevitably, we will miss some of those you want to help. who some of those you want to help. who would -a some of those you want to help. who would pay for— some of those you want to help. who would pay for that? _ some of those you want to help. who

would pay for that? one often suggested by the energy industry is that customers pay over the next decade, which would limit average prices at £2000 a year, but then leave them close to that well into the 2030s, even if the ukraine war ends. another is for a second time, the leadership front one or —— front runner liz truss said no. borrowing is likely to have to take the strain, but there are no easy options here. interest rates are rising, as is inflation. there is a significant choice, but a fundamentaljudgment whether to fundamental judgment whether to continue with fundamentaljudgment whether to continue with the approach of targeting help or treating the situation the same as the pandemic. to deal with this is a shock, and the stakes are high for the economy, the stakes are high for the economy, the government and every household in the country. let's speak to emma thomas, chief executive of youngminds, a charity which represents young people's mental health.

thank you very much for being with us. what do you make of the in impact this is having with mac is there any measure of the concerns this is having on youngsters? we've already been _ this is having on youngsters? we've already been seeing _ this is having on youngsters? we've already been seeing the _ this is having on youngsters? we've already been seeing the impact - this is having on youngsters? -- already been seeing the impact of financial distress. we've seen that already and with the announcement today, we can only anticipate that's actually going to be incredibly hard and have a significant impact. for us, at youngminds, we know this is the major for us, at youngminds, we know this is the majorfor them on their mental health impact. children as young as 11 are saying they are anxious and distressed because this is the worst experience in their homes. crosstalk

the 're experience in their homes. crosstalk they're experiencing _ experience in their homes. crosstalk they're experiencing it _ experience in their homes. crosstalk they're experiencing it and _ experience in their homes. crosstalk they're experiencing it and since - they're experiencing it and since we're reporting it constantly. but inevitably, are we getting the tone of this wrong in terms of the language we're using? often sounds quite apocalyptic. language we're using? often sounds quite apocalyptic— quite apocalyptic. well, to be honest, quite apocalyptic. well, to be honest. i _ quite apocalyptic. well, to be honest, i think _ quite apocalyptic. well, to be honest, i think we _ quite apocalyptic. well, to be honest, i think we need... i quite apocalyptic. well, to be| honest, i think we need... the reason why we've come together as organisations is that we don't feel the government is recognising the impact of the cost of living on mental health and that we do have to support and prevent life impacting consequences of this. in terms of this worry of the young people experiencing these, it's really critical that we see a response and that this is leading to a national emergency. in terms of the immediate impact and the long—term impact, and

that will have... but absolutely in terms of their mental health needs, and that's on top of a system that's already at a critical point. what we're also saying to government, the new government must commit to their plan and ensure they're investing. it's already a critical level.- it's already a critical level. when ou talk it's already a critical level. when you talk about _ it's already a critical level. when you talk about that, _ it's already a critical level. when you talk about that, one - it's already a critical level. when you talk about that, one thing i it's already a critical level. when i you talk about that, one thing was about making mental health, giving it parity with physical health problems. but given the scale of the problems, that's not a very high standard because many people are not getting treatment for physical problems. i wonder how concerned you are about the abilities of those who are about the abilities of those who are experiencing distress of one kind or another to navigate themselves from systems, which has to engage in crisis punishment. i

to engage in crisis punishment. i think it's worrying because we're already at record levels. charities are responding to us, but we are playing catch—up in terms of the investment of mental health, so we're a long way from that parity. for an individual, we have a system... what we're looking at is to make sure you're seeing when they're thinking about not affording food that we also know it's going to have a knock on impact on their mental health and we have done —— to look at that. there is much further we can do in terms of resources and workforces, particularly in terms of community support. it has lots of opportunities. community support. it has lots of opportunities-_

community support. it has lots of o- ortunities. ~ . ., ., , ., opportunities. what i meant was how we re ort opportunities. what i meant was how we report this — opportunities. what i meant was how we report this and _ opportunities. what i meant was how we report this and how— opportunities. what i meant was how we report this and how we _ opportunities. what i meant was how we report this and how we report - opportunities. what i meant was how we report this and how we report the | we report this and how we report the different challenges, and i wonder if there is something about the way journalists talk about it and politicians talk about it. the kind ofjournalistic politicians talk about it. the kind of journalistic catchphrase that we've all fallen into using. whether that actually adds to the sense of crisis that for those who feel these pressures acutely makes it worse for them then it needs to be. i pressures acutely makes it worse for them then it needs to be.— them then it needs to be. i think we're undoubtedly _ them then it needs to be. i think we're undoubtedly in _ them then it needs to be. i think we're undoubtedly in a _ them then it needs to be. i think we're undoubtedly in a crisis, - them then it needs to be. i think we're undoubtedly in a crisis, so| them then it needs to be. i think i we're undoubtedly in a crisis, so we have to be honest and what we would suggest is for the parents to be open. but there are many factors that impact on our mental health. critically, when faced with those issues such as impact on mental health, it's about support when you need it and not waiting until you develop a condition, and therefore

that needs support. the most important thing, we have to deal equally with mental health needs in order that we create more ability to get support earlier and do with what people will experience.— get support earlier and do with what people will experience. emma thomas, chief executive — people will experience. emma thomas, chief executive of _ people will experience. emma thomas, chief executive of the _ people will experience. emma thomas, chief executive of the youngminds - chief executive of the youngminds charity, thank you very much. a man has been arrested on suspicion of the murder of nine—year—old olivia pratt—korbel, who was fatally shot at her home in liverpool on monday. merseyside police are questioning the 36—year—old suspect, who is from the huyton area, and was detained in the city yesterday evening. our north of england correspondent, danny savage, reports. pictures from a police helicopter last night in liverpool. this is the operation to arrest the man suspected of firing the fatal shot on monday night.

that arrest took place here in the huyton area of liverpool late last night. what neighbours are telling us is that armed police did seal off the street for a time. merseyside police are saying that they detained a 36—year—old man on suspicion of the murder of nine—year—old olivia and also on suspicion of two attempted murders. olivia's mother cheryl korbel and 35—year—old joseph nee were both injured in the same incident. this is the audi 03 which police say took him to hospital that night. detectives want to know where it was in the days before the shooting and where it was seen afterwards. the killing of olivia pratt—korbel has horrified people in liverpool and beyond. a little girl adored by her family. the home secretary visited the scene today to see the area for herself. all our thoughts are with olivia and olivia's family at this really

devastating and sad time. there's a lot of activity that's taken place. there's a lot of policing activity. there's also a lot of support. liverpool and everton football clubs also put flowers down close to olivia's home this morning. ian rush represented liverpool. ian snodin came for everton. our thoughts and prayers are with the family, and it's... i can't even imagine how it must feel. it's absolutely horrible. the only true thing about it, and it's such a tragedy. if we can help in any kind, we will. that's clear. that must be clear. despite having a suspect in custody, there is still a lot of police work going on in the neighbourhood where the shooting happened. this is about gathering evidence and building a case. danny savage, bbc news, liverpool. the usjustice department has made public some of the information which led the fbi to search donald trump's home in florida. it's published a redacted version of the sworn statement — or affidavit — outlining

the evidence which the department produced to get a search warrant. these documents are normally kept sealed. the search of trump's mar—a—lago estate was part of a criminal investigation into whether the former president removed classified documents when he left the white house. he's denied any wrongdoing. the affidavit says that there is "probable cause to believe" that there are "additional documents" with classified information still at mar—a—lago, and "there's also "probable cause to believe that evidence of obstruction will be "found at the premises". the affidavit�*s conclusion makes the case that "probable cause exists "to believe that evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, "or other items illegally possessed" in violation of three federal statutes would be found on the premises. our north america correspondent, anthony zurcher, is in south florida. the curtain has now been pulled back ever so slightly on what the justice department has called its investigation, criminal investigation, criminal investigation, concerning the storage of classified information and unauthorised spaces. as well as

the unlawful concealment or removal of government records. i suspected, the document, the ifu dated —— affidavit was heavily redacted, but we learned some of the reasons why the department wanted to search mar—a—lago. one reason was because documents provided earlier by donald trump at mar—a—lago included over 180 instances of classified information mixed in with a hodgepodge of magazine clippings and article, that included human intelligence gathering and even court ordered surveillance of us citizens. now the justice court ordered surveillance of us citizens. now thejustice department also relied on witness testimony to justify its search, but the testimony was all redacted, and the reason was because thejustice department were afraid witnesses

would be harassed or physically intimidated if their identities were made public and future witnesses may be more reluctant to come forward and cooperate. thejustice department also redacted portions that may have revealed the scope of the strategy behind their investigation. they said they didn't want to give a road map to potential individuals who would want to obstructjustice in this obstruct justice in this investigation. obstructjustice in this investigation. we've heard donald trump already condemned this, but this is a major criminal investigation, this isn'tjust dealing with souvenirs and other financial records. donald trump must have a lot of legal headaches since he left the white house, this may be the very top of them now. with me is thejournalist and presenter michael goldfarb. and i'm joined by douglas lawrence, who's professor of law at amherst college in massachusetts. welcome to both of you. let's talk

to you, professor, first of all. what's the legal significance of the decision to unseal at least part of this documentation explaining the backgrounds of the search? i think art of it backgrounds of the search? i think part of it as _ backgrounds of the search? i think part of it as a _ backgrounds of the search? i think part of it as a result _ backgrounds of the search? i think part of it as a result of _ backgrounds of the search? i think part of it as a result of the - part of it as a result of the politics. we should bear in mind that it's very unusual to release even a redacted version of an affidavit, particularly because the department ofjustice doesn't want to put its hand into and ongoing investigation. but the justice department was thrust into a very difficult for goshen as a result of the conspiracy theory —— difficult position. some of the lies, i would say, that trump and his lawyers have been peddling in the absence of clear information from the department. by supplying this information, hopefully what we will see is that the public will come to

appreciate just how serious the charges are and just how serious the matter is that put the department of justice and the fbi in the unusual position of having to engage in a search of the private residence of former president.— search of the private residence of former president.- it's i former president. michael? it's interesting. — former president. michael? it's interesting, just _ former president. michael? it's interesting, just to _ former president. michael? it's interesting, just to pick - former president. michael? it's interesting, just to pick up - former president. michael? it's interesting, just to pick up on | former president. michael? it's - interesting, just to pick up on what he was _ interesting, just to pick up on what he was saying, unnamed apartment lawyers _ he was saying, unnamed apartment lawyers - _ he was saying, unnamed apartment lawyers — this is from the new york tintes— lawyers — this is from the new york times coverage — saying first and foremost, — times coverage — saying first and foremost, the government must protect— foremost, the government must protect witnesses' identities. witnesses, they wrote, could be subducted to" retaliation, intimidation or harassment," and even _ intimidation or harassment," and even threats to physical safety. it is not _ even threats to physical safety. it is not just — even threats to physical safety. it is not just the even threats to physical safety. it is notjust the people mentioned in the documents, butjudge bruce

reinhardt, who allowed the subpoena to be enacted, and the mar—a—lago documents — to be enacted, and the mar—a—lago documents to be seized. he lives in florida _ documents to be seized. he lives in florida and — documents to be seized. he lives in florida and the anti—submitted laught— florida and the anti—submitted taught that he was subjected to was quite shocking —— anti—semitic. the synagogue — quite shocking —— anti—semitic. the synagogue board had to postpone its full friday evening sabbath service and go _ full friday evening sabbath service and go to— full friday evening sabbath service and go to a assume service because they were _ and go to a assume service because they were afraid that violence would come _ they were afraid that violence would come i_ they were afraid that violence would come. i understand what the justice department would say they would rather _ department would say they would rather not show the affidavit, then it creates, — rather not show the affidavit, then it creates, it pushes down the line the argument because the reduction is line _ the argument because the reduction is line after line after line of mystery _ is line after line after line of mystery. which will fuel the... what's — mystery. which will fuel the... what's the _ mystery. which will fuel the... what's the word i'm looking for? it's what's the word i'm looking for? it's going — what's the word i'm looking for? it's going to get more active for fresh meat for the can seriously ——

conspiracies. fresh meat for the can seriously -- conspiracies-— fresh meat for the can seriously -- conspiracies._ professorj conspiracies. thank you. professor dou . las, conspiracies. thank you. professor douglas. boat _ conspiracies. thank you. professor douglas, boat line _ conspiracies. thank you. professor douglas, boat line from _ conspiracies. thank you. professor douglas, boat line from president| douglas, boat line from president trump has been, he's entitled to take documents, and the statutes don't apply to presidents. weill. don't apply to presidents. well, like many of — don't apply to presidents. well, like many of the _ don't apply to presidents. well, like many of the legal _ don't apply to presidents. -ii like many of the legal arguments that trump supplies, they are suspicious. one thing he claims is he has the power to declassify any kind of document, and declassification is irrelevant for the purposes for some of the federal statutes that are named in this affidavit. if you're accused of violating the espionage act, that's

irrelevant if that document is imperiling american national security. also this claim that the president, that these statues do not apply to the president, this isjust patently wrong. there is one statute which does not apply to the president, but the department of justice or a carefully did not use that statute as one of its basically probing of vehicles in this affidavit. all of which would apply to the president as well. all of which declassify and would not serve as an adequate defence.— which declassify and would not serve as an adequate defence. michael, the fbi aren as an adequate defence. michael, the fbi agency who _ as an adequate defence. michael, the fbi agency who initially _ as an adequate defence. michael, the fbi agency who initially reviewed - fbi agency who initially reviewed the records in the boxes that were seized said they found 67 documents

marked confidential, 25 marks top—secret, and yet these were taken and have been sitting in florida for well over a year now. can't to the department ofjustice make a case that this is absolutely nothing to do with politics, just straightforward housekeeping by the national archive? it is straightforward housekeeping by the national archive?— national archive? it is the national archive, national archive? it is the national archive. so — national archive? it is the national archive, so they _ national archive? it is the national archive, so they initiated _ national archive? it is the national archive, so they initiated the - archive, so they initiated the process, _ archive, so they initiated the process, missing these boxes and there _ process, missing these boxes and there is— process, missing these boxes and there is a law that says the presidential records have to be lodged — presidential records have to be lodged with them. they were well within— lodged with them. they were well within their rights. we've learned in the _ within their rights. we've learned in the last— within their rights. we've learned in the last couple weeks that there was a _ in the last couple weeks that there was a year—long process of negotiation. trump's lawyers admitted they were talking about for the last— admitted they were talking about for the last year, so there's that. i think— the last year, so there's that. i think one — the last year, so there's that. i think one of the most interesting things— think one of the most interesting things is, — think one of the most interesting things is, these 25 documents weren't— things is, these 25 documents weren't top—secret. and what we've seen _ weren't top—secret. and what we've seen so _ weren't top—secret. and what we've seen so far. — weren't top—secret. and what we've seen so far, there's this section of about— seen so far, there's this section of

about seven — seen so far, there's this section of about seven pages, completely blacked — about seven pages, completely blacked out. these are human intelligence sources. this is what we're _ intelligence sources. this is what we're told. — intelligence sources. this is what we're told, in other words, they're spies— we're told, in other words, they're spies and — we're told, in other words, they're spies and active in the field. why he needs— spies and active in the field. why he needs them to write his memoirs is not _ he needs them to write his memoirs is not clear. — he needs them to write his memoirs is not clear, and i think there will be a _ is not clear, and i think there will be a lot— is not clear, and i think there will be a lot of— is not clear, and i think there will be a lot of speculation in the weeks to come _ be a lot of speculation in the weeks to come about why does he need all these _ to come about why does he need all these files _ to come about why does he need all these files with named spies in other— these files with named spies in other cases? sort of what kim furby had when _ other cases? sort of what kim furby had when he was selling secrets to a different _ had when he was selling secrets to a different russian regime. people will speculate this from the anti—trump... will speculate this from the anti-trump. . ._ anti-trump. .. crosstalk but it is — anti-trump. .. crosstalk but it is amazing - anti-trump. .. crosstalk but it is amazing to - anti-trump. .. crosstalk but it is amazing to thinkl anti-trump. .. crosstalk . but it is amazing to think that anti-trump. .. crosstalk - but it is amazing to think that this many— but it is amazing to think that this many human beings are injeopardy because _ many human beings are injeopardy because of— many human beings are injeopardy

because of this behaviour, and i'm not a _ because of this behaviour, and i'm not a law— because of this behaviour, and i'm not a law professor, but it strikes me as _ not a law professor, but it strikes me as an— not a law professor, but it strikes me as an american as a legal. on that me as an american as a legal. that question, me as an american as a legal. on that question, professor me as an american as a legal. (31 that question, professor douglas, if there's a prosecution to go ahead, is it possible that this could be the thing that would stop donald trump to be able to run for residency?— trump to be able to run for residency? trump to be able to run for residen ? ., . , , residency? not necessarily. in the affidavit, the _ residency? not necessarily. in the affidavit, the department - residency? not necessarily. in the affidavit, the department of- residency? not necessarily. in the | affidavit, the department ofjustice talks about three different statutes, and they kind of have an escalating level of exposure. one has to do with the removal of documents, carrying the potential of three years in prison, also the power of borrowing people from holding federal office. but arguably, that one does not apply in the case of the president. it's hard to imagine, let's say the president is indicted or even convicted, it's difficult to imagine someone being elected under those conditions.

given the incredibly bizarre climate in the us, i think it's hard to imagine but not impossible, but one thing these statues do not do is actually bar him from running again, evenif actually bar him from running again, even if he is convicted. now, it seems like an outlandish scenario, but we've seen some pretty outlandish scenes in this country in the last several years of white how do you think this will play in the mid turn at do you think this will play in the mid turn . . ., .. ,., do you think this will play in the mid turn . . ., , mid turn at election campaign? does it polarise the _ mid turn at election campaign? does it polarise the delete _ mid turn at election campaign? does it polarise the delete -- _ mid turn at election campaign? does it polarise the delete -- debate - it polarise the delete —— debate forward? it polarise the delete -- debate forward? �* , , it polarise the delete -- debate forward? . , , ., it polarise the delete -- debate forward? ., forward? anybody who predicts where america is headed _ forward? anybody who predicts where america is headed now— forward? anybody who predicts where america is headed now is _ forward? anybody who predicts where america is headed now is playing - forward? anybody who predicts where america is headed now is playing a i america is headed now is playing a muq's _ america is headed now is playing a mug's game. i think that... i sense from _ mug's game. i think that... i sense from this— mug's game. i think that... i sense from this side — mug's game. i think that... i sense from this side of the atlantic a peeling — from this side of the atlantic a peeling away from trump. there are people who — peeling away from trump. there are people who have a trump... terrible to think— people who have a trump... terrible to think of. a — people who have a trump... terrible to think of, a trump world boy who were _ to think of, a trump world boy who

were much— to think of, a trump world boy who were much better at playing power politics— were much better at playing power politics -- — were much better at playing power politics —— worldview. i think that come _ politics —— worldview. i think that come the — politics —— worldview. i think that come the midterms, a lot of candidates who easily won their primaries— candidates who easily won their primaries because the base came out to vote _ primaries because the base came out to vote for— primaries because the base came out to vote for them, are going to do veiqh— to vote for them, are going to do veigh defeated. i think that may actually— veigh defeated. i think that may actually force party grandees to tell donald trump it's time to stop. ithink— tell donald trump it's time to stop. i think ron — tell donald trump it's time to stop. i think ron d santos will be a strong player, but the ideas of this destructive idea about constitutional norms, i think that will continue to be part of the pubiican— will continue to be part of the publican party. joe biden, the most even—tempered president i know of, said the _ even—tempered president i know of, said the republican party was semi—fascist, and ifjoe biden is willing _ semi—fascist, and ifjoe biden is willing to — semi—fascist, and ifjoe biden is willing to say that in public, two and a _ willing to say that in public, two and a half— willing to say that in public, two and a half months before the midterms, i think you can see where we're _ midterms, i think you can see where we're going with this politics. last

brief question _ we're going with this politics. last brief question from you, do you think this will lead to any kind of legal action? whether or not that might lead to a disqualification, presumably as a highly political risk for the administration to indict a previous president on anything. indict a previous president on an hina. ., indict a previous president on an him, ., indict a previous president on an hinu. ., �*, indict a previous president on an hina. ., ., anything. you can say it's between a rock and a hard _ anything. you can say it's between a rock and a hard place, _ anything. you can say it's between a rock and a hard place, and _ anything. you can say it's between a rock and a hard place, and at - anything. you can say it's between a rock and a hard place, and at some l rock and a hard place, and at some point, you have to weigh the relative costs and the relative benefits. are the costs very high? to potentially bring a criminal indictment and trying on charges, a former president, one who is incredibly successful at tearing this country apart wins the answer is yes. are the cost in my mind even higher about doing nothing? the rule of law is in such a weakened state as a result of the polarisations

that largely the republicans have thought about, that we cannot actually bring to justice someone who's engaged in this kind of recklessness. i would say the costs are even higher higher about doing nothing. so, ias are even higher higher about doing nothing. so, i as a are even higher higher about doing nothing. so, ias a more are even higher higher about doing nothing. so, i as a more matter, think about trump should be invited, —— indicted, and i believe he will be. we have to remember that it's notjust mar—a—lago, there's a lot of other exposure he's facing. professor douglas and michael bovard, thank you so much. two british children, aged seven and nine, have died after they were pulled from a lake while on holiday in germany. the brothers were reported missing late yesterday afternoon by their parents during a family visit to the eiserbachsee which is close to aachen. rescue workers pulled the children

from the lake and they were flown to hospital by helicopter but neither survived. it's not yet clear what happened but unconfirmed reports suggest that the boys couldn't swim. around 115,000 royal mail postal workers have gone out on strike in a dispute over pay. today is the first of four days of industrial action, with walk—outs also taking place at the end of august and in september. the postal service has warned letters won't be delivered, and parcels will be delayed. our correspondent duncan kennedy sent this report from southampton. the letters kept coming, but few will have been delivered today. a 24—hour strike that severely affected royal mail. i don't blame them, to be honest, and i think we're going to get a lot more of it. the government needs to do more, without a doubt, because people are going to struggle. i'm not surprised. everybody's on strike - at the moment, aren't they? everybody wants more, more, more. what do we want? picket lines have been in place across the country, this one in london. union leaders say they're only being offered a 2% pay rise and it's not enough.

we want a substantial pay rise that reflects the efforts that our members put in during the pandemic to keep the company going, to get those record profits and also that protects them against the current inflation levels. royal mail says its offer is more than 5%, and that it also needs big changes to working practices as the business moves from letters to parcels. we did do a down payment of 2%. we've now got 5.5% on the table, but we need the change to pay for that. today's strikes come amid huge structural changes for royal mail. ten years ago, when it was privatised, it was all about letters — more than 17 billion handled every year. that's now down to around 7 billion. these days, 60% of its earnings come from parcels. craig mannship's business depends on parcels sent via royal mail.

he makes badges of football teams and other designs, but fears he'll lose customers if those badges don't arrive on time. we will end up with lots| of items being returned, lots of refunds having to be issued, lots of unhappy customers. - and ultimately, we're the ones who get the bad reviews. - there are due to be three more strikes, one next week and two in september. duncan kennedy, bbc news. now on bbc news, following the announcement of the 80% increase in the energy price cap, it's time for your questions answered with my colleague ben thompson.

welcome. millions of people face an 80% rise in energy bills because there has been a new price cap. let's talk about that with jack munroe, and author and anti—poverty campaigner. and the finance specialist at royal london and kevin peachey, a personalfinance peachey, a personal finance corresspondent. peachey, a personalfinance corresspondent. let'sjump into the questions. but sarah, why are we seeing the sort of increases? we often talk about things being unprecedented, but the scale of the increase that people are going to see down the line, is very scary? it is frightening and unprecedented. in terms of why, the gas prices have ridden astronomically on the wholesale markets. they were starting to rise before the russian invasion of ukraine because after that covid lock down ease, there was

this pent—up demand starting and there was more demand than supply. then we have the invasion of ukraine by russia and recently, sincejune, gas prom, the russian state owned gas prom, the russian state owned gas producer has been shutting down the pipeline that feeds europe. in the pipeline that feeds europe. in the uk, we don't rely so much on russia, countries that do rely on russia, countries that do rely on russia are now buying their gas elsewhere and the supply is buy are competing with them. that is the chain that means we are seeing these, as you say, frightening, unprecedented figures that will take effect from october the 1st with the energy price cap. effect from october the 1st with the energy price cap-— energy price cap. let's get into the ruestion energy price cap. let's get into the question is. _ energy price cap. let's get into the question is, because _ energy price cap. let's get into the question is, because it _ energy price cap. let's get into the question is, because it feels - energy price cap. let's get into the question is, because it feels like i question is, because it feels like there is a theme, a sense of unfairness and chat, let me ask you this question, how can energy companies post profits and billions expect all of us to pay double, boosting their profits? surely we are being overcharged? it feels like

there is a real mismatch? yes. are being overcharged? it feels like there is a real mismatch?— there is a real mismatch? yes, the actual price — there is a real mismatch? yes, the actual price increase, _ there is a real mismatch? yes, the actual price increase, because - there is a real mismatch? yes, the actual price increase, because it i there is a real mismatch? yes, the actual price increase, because it is| actual price increase, because it is released _ actual price increase, because it is released incrementally, the true scale _ released incrementally, the true scaie of— released incrementally, the true scale of the picture has not been made _ scale of the picture has not been made clear so from april through to the predictions for the 1st of january— the predictions for the 1st of january it is a 321% price increase in gas, _ january it is a 321% price increase in gas, so — january it is a 321% price increase in gas, so it— january it is a 321% price increase in gas, so it triples people's energy— in gas, so it triples people's energy bills over a nine—month period — energy bills over a nine—month period. how energy companies can post their— period. how energy companies can post their profits in the billions and expect people to pay 321% increase — and expect people to pay 321% increase on their energy bills, i don't _ increase on their energy bills, i don't have _ increase on their energy bills, i don't have the answer to that. i don't _ don't have the answer to that. i don't understand why someone from the energy— don't understand why someone from the energy companies is not sitting here, _ the energy companies is not sitting here, being held accountable. france managed _ here, being held accountable. france managed to cap their energy costs to the consumer, other places have managed — the consumer, other places have managed to put measures in place that will— managed to put measures in place that will protect people who will be experiencing price rises. i don't

understand why our government hasn't chosen— understand why our government hasn't chosen to _ understand why our government hasn't chosen to do _ understand why our government hasn't chosen to do that.— chosen to do that. kevin, there is a lot of anger — chosen to do that. kevin, there is a lot of anger isn't _ chosen to do that. kevin, there is a lot of anger isn't there? _ chosen to do that. kevin, there is a lot of anger isn't there? i _ chosen to do that. kevin, there is a lot of anger isn't there? i suppose l lot of anger isn't there? i suppose the idea is, we shouldn't be directing our anger at the people who provide this stuff, he said the bills, it is the people getting this stuff out of the ground, refining it and processing it on those other companies making the big profits? the suppliers, the ones who send you your bill— the suppliers, the ones who send you your biii witt— the suppliers, the ones who send you your bill will take _ the suppliers, the ones who send you your bill will take any _ the suppliers, the ones who send you your bill will take any opportunity - your bill will take any opportunity to tell— your bill will take any opportunity to tell you — your bill will take any opportunity to tell you they _ your bill will take any opportunity to tell you they are _ your bill will take any opportunity to tell you they are not _ your bill will take any opportunity to tell you they are not making i your bill will take any opportunityl to tell you they are not making big profits _ to tell you they are not making big profits a— to tell you they are not making big profits a lot — to tell you they are not making big profits a lot of _ to tell you they are not making big profits. a lot of them _ to tell you they are not making big profits. a lot of them have - to tell you they are not making big profits. a lot of them have gone i profits. a lot of them have gone bust~ _ profits. a lot of them have gone bust~ the — profits. a lot of them have gone bust. the smaller— profits. a lot of them have gone bust. the smaller energy- profits. a lot of them have gone - bust. the smaller energy providers. because _ bust. the smaller energy providers. because of— bust. the smaller energy providers. because of the _ bust. the smaller energy providers. because of the stress _ bust. the smaller energy providers. because of the stress on _ bust. the smaller energy providers. because of the stress on them - bust. the smaller energy providers. because of the stress on them andl because of the stress on them and these _ because of the stress on them and these wholesale _ because of the stress on them and these wholesale costs _ because of the stress on them and these wholesale costs going - because of the stress on them and these wholesale costs going up. i these wholesale costs going up. where _ these wholesale costs going up. where the — these wholesale costs going up. where the big _ these wholesale costs going up. where the big profits _ these wholesale costs going up. where the big profits being i these wholesale costs going up. i where the big profits being made is in generation, — where the big profits being made is in generation, getting _ where the big profits being made is in generation, getting the - where the big profits being made is in generation, getting the stuff- where the big profits being made is in generation, getting the stuff out| in generation, getting the stuff out of the _ in generation, getting the stuff out of the ground — in generation, getting the stuff out of the ground and _ in generation, getting the stuff out of the ground and so— in generation, getting the stuff out of the ground and so on. _ in generation, getting the stuff out of the ground and so on. that- in generation, getting the stuff out of the ground and so on. that is. of the ground and so on. that is where _ of the ground and so on. that is where the — of the ground and so on. that is where the windfall— of the ground and so on. that is where the windfall tax - of the ground and so on. that is where the windfall tax we - of the ground and so on. that is where the windfall tax we have i of the ground and so on. that is- where the windfall tax we have heard about, _ where the windfall tax we have heard about, that _ where the windfall tax we have heard about, that is — where the windfall tax we have heard about, that is paying _ where the windfall tax we have heard about, that is paying for— where the windfall tax we have heard about, that is paying for some - where the windfall tax we have heard about, that is paying for some of- about, that is paying for some of the support— about, that is paying for some of the support measures _ about, that is paying for some of the support measures coming i about, that is paying for some of- the support measures coming through in the _ the support measures coming through in the coming — the support measures coming through in the coming months, _ the support measures coming through in the coming months, that— the support measures coming through in the coming months, that is- the support measures coming through in the coming months, that is where l in the coming months, that is where that is— in the coming months, that is where that is directed, _ in the coming months, that is where that is directed, but _ in the coming months, that is where that is directed, but certainly- in the coming months, that is where that is directed, but certainly that i that is directed, but certainly that is where — that is directed, but certainly that is where a —

that is directed, but certainly that is where a lot— that is directed, but certainly that is where a lot of— that is directed, but certainly that is where a lot of eyes _ that is directed, but certainly that is where a lot of eyes are - that is directed, but certainly that is where a lot of eyes are now- that is directed, but certainly that is where a lot of eyes are now for| is where a lot of eyes are now for any future — is where a lot of eyes are now for any future support _ is where a lot of eyes are now for any future support payments i is where a lot of eyes are now for any future support payments and j is where a lot of eyes are now for- any future support payments and how that might _ any future support payments and how that might be — any future support payments and how that might be paid _ any future support payments and how that might be paid for. _ any future support payments and how that might be paid for. it— any future support payments and how that might be paid for. it is _ that might be paid for. it is interesting _ that might be paid for. it is interesting you _ that might be paid for. it is interesting you talk i that might be paid for. interesting you talk about that might be paid for— interesting you talk about those firms that have gone bust. we saw this at the start of the year when prices are creeping up and that is where ofgem got involved, it is making sure they can charge enough to stay in business but not charge too much that we carry the can? we are picking up some of the cast as bill payers — are picking up some of the cast as bill payers of _ are picking up some of the cast as bill payers of those _ are picking up some of the cast as bill payers of those failed - are picking up some of the cast as bill payers of those failed firms, l bill payers of those failed firms, some _ bill payers of those failed firms, some of— bill payers of those failed firms, some of the _ bill payers of those failed firms, some of the cost _ bill payers of those failed firms, some of the cost of— bill payers of those failed firms, some of the cost of that - bill payers of those failed firms, some of the cost of that is i bill payers of those failed firms, i some of the cost of that is passed on to— some of the cost of that is passed on to everybody's _ some of the cost of that is passed on to everybody's bills. _ on to everybody's bills. importantly, _ on to everybody's bills. i importantly, significantly, actually _ importantly, significantly, actually, this— importantly, significantly, actually, this price - importantly, significantly, actually, this price cap, i importantly, significantly, i actually, this price cap, for the first— actually, this price cap, for the first time — actually, this price cap, for the first time it _ actually, this price cap, for the first time it will _ actually, this price cap, for the first time it will only— actually, this price cap, for the first time it will only last - actually, this price cap, for the first time it will only last for i first time it will only last for three — first time it will only last for three months, _ first time it will only last for three months, so— first time it will only last for three months, so this - first time it will only last for three months, so this will. first time it will only last forl three months, so this will be 0ctober— three months, so this will be october to— three months, so this will be october to the _ three months, so this will be october to the end _ three months, so this will be october to the end of - three months, so this will be i october to the end of december three months, so this will be - october to the end of december and we will— october to the end of december and we will get _ october to the end of december and we will get another— october to the end of december and we will get another price _ october to the end of december and we will get another price cap - we will get another price cap announcement _ we will get another price cap announcement which - we will get another price cap announcement which will i we will get another price cap i announcement which will come we will get another price cap - announcement which will come into effect _ announcement which will come into effect in _ announcement which will come into effect in january _ announcement which will come into effect injanuary. previously- announcement which will come into effect in january. previously it i announcement which will come into effect in january. previously it wasl effect in january. previously it was six months. — effect in january. previously it was six months, now— effect in january. previously it was six months, now it _ effect in january. previously it was six months, now it is _ effect in january. previously it was six months, now it is three - effect in january. previously it was| six months, now it is three months and that— six months, now it is three months and that has— six months, now it is three months and that has been— six months, now it is three months and that has been a _ six months, now it is three months and that has been a very— and that has been a very controversial— and that has been a very controversial decision i and that has been a very controversial decision by and that has been a very- controversial decision by ofgem, because — controversial decision by ofgem, because as — controversial decision by ofgem, because as we _ controversial decision by ofgem, because as we have _ controversial decision by ofgem, because as we have seen - controversial decision by ofgem, because as we have seen from i controversial decision by ofgem, i because as we have seen from the forecast, — because as we have seen from the forecast, we — because as we have seen from the forecast, we are _ because as we have seen from the forecast, we are looking _ because as we have seen from the forecast, we are looking at - forecast, we are looking at significant _ forecast, we are looking at significant price _ forecast, we are looking at significant price rises- forecast, we are looking atj significant price rises again forecast, we are looking at i significant price rises again in january _ significant price rises again in january just _ significant price rises again in january just to _ significant price rises again in january. just to put _ significant price rises again in january. just to put a - significant price rises again in january. just to put a few i significant price rises again in i

january. just to put a few figures to add _ january. just to put a few figures to add to — january. just to put a few figures to add to jack's point, _ january. just to put a few figures to add to jack's point, last - january. just to put a few figuresj to add to jack's point, last winter typically. — to add to jack's point, last winter typically. if— to add to jack's point, last winter typically. if a _ to add to jack's point, last winter typically, if a household - to add to jack's point, last winter typically, if a household using i to add to jack's point, last winter typically, if a household using a i typically, if a household using a typical— typically, if a household using a typical amount _ typically, if a household using a typical amount of— typically, if a household using a typical amount of gas _ typically, if a household using a typical amount of gas and i typical amount of gas and electricity, _ typical amount of gas and electricity, £100 - typical amount of gas and electricity, £100 a - typical amount of gas and | electricity, £100 a month. potentially, _ electricity, £100 a month. potentially, if— electricity, £100 a month. potentially, if these - electricity, £100 a month. i potentially, if these forecasts electricity, £100 a month. - potentially, if these forecasts are right, _ potentially, if these forecasts are right, toward _ potentially, if these forecasts are right, toward spring _ potentially, if these forecasts are right, toward spring next- potentially, if these forecasts are right, toward spring next year- potentially, if these forecasts are right, toward spring next year wej right, toward spring next year we are looking — right, toward spring next year we are looking at _ right, toward spring next year we are looking at something - right, toward spring next year we are looking at something like i right, toward spring next year we. are looking at something like £550 right, toward spring next year we i are looking at something like £550 a month _ are looking at something like £550 a month bear— are looking at something like £550 a month bear in — are looking at something like £550 a month. bear in mind _ are looking at something like £550 a month. bear in mind a _ are looking at something like £550 a month. bear in mind a typical- month. bear in mind a typical mortgage _ month. bear in mind a typical mortgage is _ month. bear in mind a typical mortgage is about _ month. bear in mind a typical mortgage is about £700, i month. bear in mind a typical mortgage is about £700, so i month. bear in mind a typical| mortgage is about £700, so it month. bear in mind a typical. mortgage is about £700, so it is month. bear in mind a typical- mortgage is about £700, so it is a significant — mortgage is about £700, so it is a significant hit _ mortgage is about £700, so it is a significant hit on _ mortgage is about £700, so it is a significant hit on finances. - mortgage is about £700, so it is a significant hit on finances. that i significant hit on finances. that neatly gets _ significant hit on finances. that neatly gets us _ significant hit on finances. that neatly gets us into _ significant hit on finances. neatly gets us into michelle's question, michelle. iwork neatly gets us into michelle's question, michelle. i work for the question, michelle. iwork forthe nhs question, michelle. i work for the nhs and i earn above the threshold to qualify for any benefits and the new fuel price cap has me unable to sleep, anxious i might not find the money for what she calls a second mortgage payment. she said her mortgage payment. she said her mortgage is £530 a month, her forecast for her bill will go up to £605 a month. what help is there for people who don't qualify for benefits? ., people who don't qualify for benefits?— people who don't qualify for benefits? ., ., ., , ,

benefits? nothing that has been announced in _ benefits? nothing that has been announced in the _ benefits? nothing that has been announced in the proposed i benefits? nothing that has been i announced in the proposed measures from both— announced in the proposed measures from both of our prospective prime ministers _ from both of our prospective prime ministers in — from both of our prospective prime ministers in waiting will help michelle with her situation. what they are — michelle with her situation. what they are proposing isn't even a sticking — they are proposing isn't even a sticking plaster and what will be a fatal wound. sticking plaster and what will be a fatalwound. i sticking plaster and what will be a fatal wound. i have sat here with these _ fatal wound. i have sat here with these questions earlier today and i scratched — these questions earlier today and i scratched around every single corner of every _ scratched around every single corner of every single bit of funding and every— of every single bit of funding and every bit — of every single bit of funding and every bit of knowledge and information on every networking connection i had, looking for the magic— connection i had, looking for the magic answer, there isn't one. it is really— magic answer, there isn't one. it is really upsetting, because michelle is one _ really upsetting, because michelle is one of— really upsetting, because michelle is one of millions be in this situation and the government need to act with urgency to make _ government need to act with urgency to make sure that people like michelle and everyone who is going to be _ michelle and everyone who is going to be affected by this has got help and help— to be affected by this has got help and help now. one to be affected by this has got help and help now— to be affected by this has got help and hel now. ., . , , , and help now. one of the real issues is about targeted _ and help now. one of the real issues is about targeted support. _ and help now. one of the real issues is about targeted support. we i and help now. one of the real issues is about targeted support. we have l is about targeted support. we have had perhaps there will be £1i00, it may be more given to all households. but it is those on the lowest incomes who spend the majority of

their disposable income on energy and food? the their disposable income on energy and food? , ., their disposable income on energy and food? , . ., ., , and food? the help that has already been announced _ and food? the help that has already been announced and _ and food? the help that has already been announced and will— and food? the help that has already been announced and will come i and food? the help that has already been announced and will come in i and food? the help that has already i been announced and will come in from october, it won't touch the sides in terms of the scale of the price rise we are facing at the moment. as jack says, there is help available, but there is not helpful everybody and it will not make a dent on the kind of figures we hear people will be using in terms of their energy over the winter. the only thing i would say, the amount of money michelle is being forfrom her energy say, the amount of money michelle is being for from her energy company, it is around £600?— being for from her energy company, it is around £600?_ that | it is around £600? 605, yes. that seems very _ it is around £600? 605, yes. that seems very high — it is around £600? 605, yes. that seems very high and _ it is around £600? 605, yes. that seems very high and there i it is around £600? 605, yes. that seems very high and there are i it is around £600? 605, yes. that| seems very high and there are new rules coming in which will toughen up rules coming in which will toughen up the rules for energy companies. a lot of cases people have been quoted astronomical amounts to pay their direct debit monthly. ofgem has toughened up the rules to say that

energy companies mustjustify what they are asking for. the onus is on us to fight back if it is wrong, but i would say to michelle, contact your energy provider and ask them to justify the amount. if she's not happy, she can talk to citizens advice or go to the energy ombudsman and make a complaint about how much she is being asked for. ofgem is now mindful of the fact there has been an issue with some companies asking forfar too much from people an issue with some companies asking for far too much from people who just simply cannot it. we for far too much from people who just simply cannot it.— just simply cannot it. we know, if ou are just simply cannot it. we know, if you are on _ just simply cannot it. we know, if you are on a _ just simply cannot it. we know, if you are on a prepayment - just simply cannot it. we know, if you are on a prepayment metre i just simply cannot it. we know, if. you are on a prepayment metre you will be paying even more, give us a sense of what people should expect? people prepayment metres, who are not paying _ people prepayment metres, who are not paying by direct debit tend to pay for— not paying by direct debit tend to pay for higher so they pay more per kilowatt— pay for higher so they pay more per kilowatt hour for gas and electricity, but also a standing charge — electricity, but also a standing charge just to have the metre in the first place _ charge just to have the metre in the first place and that standing charge can be _ first place and that standing charge can be around £25 a month. so even before _ can be around £25 a month. so even before you _

can be around £25 a month. so even before you have used a single flicker— before you have used a single flicker of— before you have used a single flicker of gas or a single minute of a tight— flicker of gas or a single minute of a light bulb, you are being charged simply— a light bulb, you are being charged simply to— a light bulb, you are being charged simply to have the metre in the first place _ simply to have the metre in the first place. people are going to really. — first place. people are going to really, really struggle with this. it is really, really struggle with this. it is a _ really, really struggle with this. it is a very— really, really struggle with this. it is a very good point jack makes, it is a very good pointjack makes, but looking at the price cap coming in in october, it is people who pay their bill quarterly, they pay it when it arrives, so they want to control they only pay for what they use. they will pay £215 more per typical household than somebody who pays by direct debit. people on prepayment metre will pay about £59 more, so it is the people who pay their bill when it arrives he will be hit the worst work by the price cap coming in from october the 1st. kevin, let me ask you this, jeff and beverly wants to know why the government don't keep the price cap or can't keep it? that is the concept, it is a cap, but it keeps going up?— concept, it is a cap, but it keeps ua-oinu? , ., ,, going up? yes, important to stress, this is not a —

going up? yes, important to stress, this is not a cap _ going up? yes, important to stress, this is not a cap on _ going up? yes, important to stress, this is not a cap on the _ going up? yes, important to stress, this is not a cap on the total- going up? yes, important to stress, this is not a cap on the total bill. i this is not a cap on the total bill. it is this is not a cap on the total bill. it is a _ this is not a cap on the total bill. it is a cap— this is not a cap on the total bill. it is a cap on— this is not a cap on the total bill. it is a cap on each— this is not a cap on the total bill. it is a cap on each unit _ this is not a cap on the total bill. it is a cap on each unit of- this is not a cap on the total bill. it is a cap on each unit of energyj it is a cap on each unit of energy you use — it is a cap on each unit of energy you use so— it is a cap on each unit of energy you use so if— it is a cap on each unit of energy you use. so if you _ it is a cap on each unit of energy you use. so if you are _ it is a cap on each unit of energy you use. so if you are a - it is a cap on each unit of energy you use. so if you are a heavy. it is a cap on each unit of energy. you use. so if you are a heavy user of gas, _ you use. so if you are a heavy user of gas, you — you use. so if you are a heavy user of gas, you have _ you use. so if you are a heavy user of gas, you have a _ you use. so if you are a heavy user of gas, you have a poorly - you use. so if you are a heavy userj of gas, you have a poorly insulated home: _ of gas, you have a poorly insulated home then — of gas, you have a poorly insulated home then your— of gas, you have a poorly insulated home, then your bill— of gas, you have a poorly insulated home, then your bill will— of gas, you have a poorly insulated home, then your bill will be - of gas, you have a poorly insulated home, then your bill will be higher| home, then your bill will be higher than this— home, then your bill will be higher than this typical— home, then your bill will be higher than this typical household - home, then your bill will be higher than this typical household bill i than this typical household bill that 0fgem _ than this typical household bill that ofgem are _ than this typical household bill that ofgem are talking - than this typical household bill that ofgem are talking about i than this typical household bill i that ofgem are talking about today, which _ that ofgem are talking about today, which in _ that ofgem are talking about today, which in october— that ofgem are talking about today, which in october will— that ofgem are talking about today, which in october will be _ that ofgem are talking about today, which in october will be £3500. i that ofgem are talking about today, which in october will be £3500. onl which in october will be £3500. on the question. — which in october will be £3500. on the question, the _ which in october will be £3500. on the question, the debate _ which in october will be £3500. on the question, the debate over- the question, the debate over whether— the question, the debate over whether the _ the question, the debate over whether the price _ the question, the debate over whether the price cap- the question, the debate over whether the price cap is- the question, the debate over whether the price cap is doing the question, the debate over. whether the price cap is doing its job? _ whether the price cap is doing its job? that — whether the price cap is doing its job? that was _ whether the price cap is doing its job? that was brought _ whether the price cap is doing its job? that was brought in- whether the price cap is doing its job? that was brought in to i whether the price cap is doing its job? that was brought in to stop| whether the price cap is doing its i job? that was brought in to stop any excessive _ job? that was brought in to stop any excessive profits _ job? that was brought in to stop any excessive profits from _ job? that was brought in to stop any excessive profits from suppliers i job? that was brought in to stop any excessive profits from suppliers and| excessive profits from suppliers and to make _ excessive profits from suppliers and to make sure — excessive profits from suppliers and to make sure that _ excessive profits from suppliers and to make sure that people _ excessive profits from suppliers and to make sure that people who i excessive profits from suppliers and to make sure that people who werel to make sure that people who were loyal and _ to make sure that people who were loyal and stuck _ to make sure that people who were loyal and stuck with _ to make sure that people who were loyal and stuck with the _ to make sure that people who were loyal and stuck with the supplier. loyal and stuck with the supplier didn't— loyal and stuck with the supplier didn't find — loyal and stuck with the supplier didn't find themselves _ loyal and stuck with the supplier didn't find themselves paying i loyal and stuck with the supplier. didn't find themselves paying much higher— didn't find themselves paying much higher bills — didn't find themselves paying much higher bills as — didn't find themselves paying much higher bills as a _ didn't find themselves paying much higher bills as a result. _ didn't find themselves paying much higher bills as a result. and - higher bills as a result. and secondly _ higher bills as a result. and secondly, there _ higher bills as a result. and secondly, there is- higher bills as a result. and secondly, there is the i higher bills as a result. and . secondly, there is the political debate — secondly, there is the political debate over— secondly, there is the political debate over what— secondly, there is the political debate over what happens- secondly, there is the politicali debate over what happens with secondly, there is the political- debate over what happens with the cat. debate over what happens with the cat labour— debate over what happens with the cab labour are _ debate over what happens with the cat. labour are suggesting - debate over what happens with the cat. labour are suggesting it - debate over what happens with the cat. labour are suggesting it is - cat. labour are suggesting it is kept _ cat. labour are suggesting it is kept at — cat. labour are suggesting it is kept at its _ cat. labour are suggesting it is kept at its current _ cat. labour are suggesting it is kept at its current level - cat. labour are suggesting it is kept at its current level and . cat. labour are suggesting it is i kept at its current level and there is, the _ kept at its current level and there is, the rest — kept at its current level and there is, the rest is_ kept at its current level and there is, the rest is paid _ kept at its current level and there is, the rest is paid for— kept at its current level and there is, the rest is paid for with - kept at its current level and there is, the rest is paid for with the i is, the rest is paid for with the windfatt— is, the rest is paid for with the windfall tax _ is, the rest is paid for with the windfall tax and _ is, the rest is paid for with the windfall tax and so _ is, the rest is paid for with the windfall tax and so on. - is, the rest is paid for with the windfall tax and so on. that i is, the rest is paid for with the . windfall tax and so on. that feeds into the _ windfall tax and so on. that feeds into the political— windfall tax and so on. that feeds

into the political debate. - windfall tax and so on. that feeds into the political debate. one - windfall tax and so on. that feedsi into the political debate. one thing to draw. _ into the political debate. one thing to draw. going _ into the political debate. one thing to draw, going back— into the political debate. one thing to draw, going back to _ into the political debate. one thing to draw, going back to michelle's l to draw, going back to michelle's question. — to draw, going back to michelle's question. the _ to draw, going back to michelle's question, the bigger— to draw, going back to michelle's question, the bigger picture, - to draw, going back to michelle's question, the bigger picture, we| to draw, going back to michelle's i question, the bigger picture, we are talking _ question, the bigger picture, we are talking about — question, the bigger picture, we are talking about energy— question, the bigger picture, we are talking about energy specifically, i talking about energy specifically, but prices — talking about energy specifically, but prices in _ talking about energy specifically, but prices in general, _ talking about energy specifically, but prices in general, rising - talking about energy specifically, but prices in general, rising at. talking about energy specifically, but prices in general, rising at ai but prices in general, rising at a rate _ but prices in general, rising at a rate not— but prices in general, rising at a rate not seeri— but prices in general, rising at a rate not seen for— but prices in general, rising at a rate not seen for 40 _ but prices in general, rising at a rate not seen for 40 years. - but prices in general, rising at a i rate not seen for 40 years. energy is fundamental— rate not seen for 40 years. energy is fundamental to— rate not seen for 40 years. energy is fundamental to things _ rate not seen for 40 years. energy is fundamental to things like - rate not seen for 40 years. energy is fundamental to things like food i is fundamental to things like food prices _ is fundamental to things like food prices because _ is fundamental to things like food prices because businesses, - is fundamental to things like food - prices because businesses, remember they dont— prices because businesses, remember they don't have — prices because businesses, remember they don't have a _ prices because businesses, remember they don't have a price _ prices because businesses, remember they don't have a price cap. _ prices because businesses, remember they don't have a price cap. they- they don't have a price cap. they are putting — they don't have a price cap. they are putting up— they don't have a price cap. they are putting up their— they don't have a price cap. they are putting up their prices- they don't have a price cap. they. are putting up their prices because they are _ are putting up their prices because they are facing _ are putting up their prices because they are facing big _ are putting up their prices because they are facing big energy- are putting up their prices because they are facing big energy costs, . they are facing big energy costs, two and — they are facing big energy costs, two and att— they are facing big energy costs, two and all that _ they are facing big energy costs, two and all that sort _ they are facing big energy costs, two and all that sort of- they are facing big energy costs, two and all that sort of feed - two and all that sort of feed through— two and all that sort of feed through to _ two and all that sort of feed through to this _ two and all that sort of feed through to this serious - two and all that sort of feed . through to this serious position two and all that sort of feed - through to this serious position we are finding — through to this serious position we are finding ourselves _ through to this serious position we are finding ourselves with - through to this serious position we are finding ourselves with with - are finding ourselves with with prices — are finding ourselves with with prices in — are finding ourselves with with prices in general. _ are finding ourselves with with prices in general. this - are finding ourselves with with prices in general.— are finding ourselves with with prices in general. this could be a vicious circle, _ prices in general. this could be a vicious circle, a _ prices in general. this could be a vicious circle, a lot _ prices in general. this could be a vicious circle, a lot of— prices in general. this could be a vicious circle, a lot of businesses take it difficult to pay their bills, they shut up shop, there lay off the workers, who don't have an income and they will find it even harder to pay the bills. that is when it gets really messy? everyone around this table _ when it gets really messy? everyone around this table will— when it gets really messy? everyone around this table will know, - around this table will know, everyone _ around this table will know, everyohe at _ around this table will know, everyone at home - around this table will know, everyone at home will - around this table will know, everyone at home will know around this table will know, - everyone at home will know that having _ everyone at home will know that having a — everyone at home will know that having a secure _ everyone at home will know that having a secure job _ everyone at home will know that having a secure job is _ everyone at home will know that having a secure job is so - everyone at home will know that . having a secure job is so important to paying _ having a secure job is so important to paying those _ having a secure job is so important to paying those regular— having a secure job is so important to paying those regular bills. - having a secure job is so important to paying those regular bills. if- to paying those regular bills. if that goes. _ to paying those regular bills. if that goes. it _ to paying those regular bills. if that goes, it puts— to paying those regular bills. if that goes, it puts you - to paying those regular bills. if that goes, it puts you in - to paying those regular bills. if that goes, it puts you in an-

to paying those regular bills. if. that goes, it puts you in an even more _ that goes, it puts you in an even more difficult _ that goes, it puts you in an even more difficult situation. - that goes, it puts you in an even more difficult situation.- more difficult situation. jack, i want to jump _ more difficult situation. jack, i want to jump into _ more difficult situation. jack, i want to jump into some - more difficult situation. jack, i want to jump into some of - more difficult situation. jack, i l want to jump into some of these questions, you might have answered these because you said you were scratching around to find any solution, but felicity is currently on maternity leave, she has a three—month—old baby and is on statutory pay and nothing has been mentioned to help people on maternity leave, i am mentioned to help people on maternity leave, lam not mentioned to help people on maternity leave, i am not eligible for help because of my husband so i has nothing been offered for people on statutory maternity pay? we don't have any details from either of the prime ministers in waiting, to tell us what will happen? thea;r prime ministers in waiting, to tell us what will happen? they haven't civen an us what will happen? they haven't given any assurances _ us what will happen? they haven't given any assurances to _ us what will happen? they haven't given any assurances to the - us what will happen? they haven't l given any assurances to the majority of people. _ given any assurances to the majority of people, that they will give them any kind _ of people, that they will give them any kind of valuable support. i wish i any kind of valuable support. i wish i had _ any kind of valuable support. i wish i had an— any kind of valuable support. i wish i had an answer for felicity. i think— i had an answer for felicity. i think the _ i had an answer for felicity. i think the question should be directed _ think the question should be directed at nadeem safari, himself has benefited from payments from the fuel industry in the past. as the

chancettor— fuel industry in the past. as the chancellor he should be sat here answering — chancellor he should be sat here answering these questions about where _ answering these questions about where the support is, where the ntoney— where the support is, where the money is — where the support is, where the money is and how people will survive in the _ money is and how people will survive in the current climate. one money is and how people will survive in the current climate.— in the current climate. one thing the chancellor _ in the current climate. one thing the chancellor has _ in the current climate. one thing the chancellor has said, - in the current climate. one thing the chancellor has said, we - in the current climate. one thing l the chancellor has said, we should look at how much energy we use. i would imagine a lot of people on low incomes are already curtailing their usage, given the bills have risen and we know that the cost of everything else is going up right now? , ., ., now? hugely, i would invite him to now? hugely, i would invite him to no and now? hugely, i would invite him to go and meet _ now? hugely, i would invite him to go and meet families _ now? hugely, i would invite him to go and meet families who - now? hugely, i would invite him to go and meet families who have - go and meet families who have disabled — go and meet families who have disabled members who rely on life—saving equipment like dialysis ntachines— life—saving equipment like dialysis machines and hoists and things that need to— machines and hoists and things that need to be — machines and hoists and things that need to be plugged in and require a constant _ need to be plugged in and require a constant usage of electricity, go and tell— constant usage of electricity, go and tell them to curtail their usage — and tell them to curtail their usage. because they will die. that is the bleak _ usage. because they will die. that is the bleak reality _ usage. because they will die. that is the bleak reality of _ usage. because they will die. trust is the bleak reality of a lot of this and sarah, talk to me, if you build, about what we can be thinking about now? are there ways we can try and save a little bit of money. it

might be tinkering around the edges but when we have seen these increases, every bit will help? i am increases, every bit will help? i am aware that — increases, every bit will help? i am aware that most _ increases, every bit will help? i am aware that most people _ increases, every bit will help? i—n aware that most people are increases, every bit will help? iasfl aware that most people are doing absolutely everything anyway, but there might be some who haven't thought about this. one way is to see if you can increase your income. i don't see it lightly but there are billions of pounds of unclaimed benefits every year and people think they don't qualify because they earn too much because they are working. not everybody will qualify, but there are some free online calculators, there is a charity called turn to us . calculators, there is a charity called turn to us. pension calculators, there is a charity called turn to us . pension credit, is a gateway benefit to the winter fuel payment so the warm home discount, you get help with council tax, rent. you get the cost of living payment for people on low income, both working age and people of pension age. do look at whether

you can cut your energy use and i'm aware people are turning off the lights, not cooking, not even thinking of putting the heating on. i know a lot of people are doing more than they need to, but also see if there are some low—cost ways you can keep the energy you are using, once we get into the autumn, in your house. the foil back panels on your radiators, they costjust a few pounds. they will not make a massive difference, but every little may just help. difference, but every little may 'ust hel. , . . ~' i” difference, but every little may 'ust hel. , . . ~' ,, . difference, but every little may 'ust hel. , . ., just help. jack, you are nodding alon: , just help. jack, you are nodding along. and _ just help. jack, you are nodding along, and there _ just help. jack, you are nodding along, and there are _ just help. jack, you are nodding along, and there are a - just help. jack, you are nodding along, and there are a lot - just help. jack, you are nodding along, and there are a lot of. just help. jack, you are nodding i along, and there are a lot of things you can consider, not always obvious, but what can people think about? i obvious, but what can people think about? ., . ., . . about? i would echo what sarah said, eseciall about? i would echo what sarah said, e5pecially the — about? i would echo what sarah said, especially the pension _ about? i would echo what sarah said, especially the pension credit, - about? i would echo what sarah said, especially the pension credit, it - about? i would echo what sarah said, especially the pension credit, it is - especially the pension credit, it is a massively under claimed benefit. it is a massively under claimed benefit. it is when — a massively under claimed benefit. it is when groups of pensioners have been asked — it is when groups of pensioners have been asked about it, there is confusion _ been asked about it, there is confusion about the term credit, they think— confusion about the term credit, they think it is a loan. turn to us is a fantastic _ they think it is a loan. turn to us is a fantastic resource and people should _ is a fantastic resource and people should be — is a fantastic resource and people should be looking at something like

that to _ should be looking at something like that to see if they have the smallest additional payments to make a dent— smallest additional payments to make a dent in— smallest additional payments to make a dent in this. as far as popping another— a dent in this. as far as popping anotherjumper on and cooking 15 minute _ anotherjumper on and cooking 15 minute meals, everyone who is in a position— minute meals, everyone who is in a position to — minute meals, everyone who is in a position to do that has been doing it for— position to do that has been doing it for quite — position to do that has been doing it for quite some time now. they don't need _ it for quite some time now. they don't need much _ it for quite some time now. the: don't need much education about that. . . don't need much education about that. . , j~ :: i: i: i: don't need much education about that. . ,j~ :: i: i: i: , don't need much education about that. ., ,j~ :: i: i: i: , ., that. that is 850,000 people who don't claim _ that. that is 850,000 people who don't claim pension _ that. that is 850,000 people who don't claim pension credit - that. that is 850,000 people who don't claim pension credit who - that. that is 850,000 people who don't claim pension credit who are entitled _ don't claim pension credit who are entitled to — don't claim pension credit who are entitled to it _ don't claim pension credit who are entitled to it. a— don't claim pension credit who are entitled to it. a lot _ don't claim pension credit who are entitled to it. a lot of _ don't claim pension credit who are entitled to it. a lot of it _ don't claim pension credit who are entitled to it. a lot of it is- don't claim pension credit who are entitled to it. a lot of it is a - entitled to it. a lot of it is a feeting _ entitled to it. a lot of it is a feeling among _ entitled to it. a lot of it is a feeling among some - entitled to it. a lot of it is a| feeling among some people entitled to it. a lot of it is a - feeling among some people that they are taking _ feeling among some people that they are taking something, _ feeling among some people that they are taking something, making - feeling among some people that they are taking something, making a - feeling among some people that they| are taking something, making a claim for something — are taking something, making a claim for something they— are taking something, making a claim for something they are _ are taking something, making a claim for something they are not _ are taking something, making a claim for something they are not entitled i for something they are not entitled to or they— for something they are not entitled to or they don't _ for something they are not entitled to or they don't want _ for something they are not entitled to or they don't want to _ for something they are not entitled to or they don't want to take - for something they are not entitled to or they don't want to take a - to or they don't want to take a hand-out _ to or they don't want to take a hand-out it— to or they don't want to take a hand—out. it is— to or they don't want to take a hand—out. it is often- to or they don't want to take a hand—out. it is often up- to or they don't want to take a hand—out. it is often up to - to or they don't want to take a i hand—out. it is often up to family members— hand—out. it is often up to family members to— hand—out. it is often up to family members to tell— hand—out. it is often up to family members to tell them, _ hand—out. it is often up to family members to tell them, this - hand—out. it is often up to family members to tell them, this is - hand—out. it is often up to family| members to tell them, this is not some _ members to tell them, this is not some kind — members to tell them, this is not some kind of— members to tell them, this is not some kind of hand—out, - members to tell them, this is not some kind of hand—out, it- members to tell them, this is not some kind of hand—out, it is- members to tell them, this is not some kind of hand—out, it is a - some kind of hand—out, it is a benefit — some kind of hand—out, it is a benefit you _ some kind of hand—out, it is a benefit you are _ some kind of hand—out, it is a benefit you are entitled - some kind of hand—out, it is a benefit you are entitled to. i benefit you are entitled to. hundreds _ benefit you are entitled to. hundreds of— benefit you are entitled to. hundreds of thousands - benefit you are entitled to. hundreds of thousands of. benefit you are entitled to. - hundreds of thousands of people are not claiming — hundreds of thousands of people are not claiming it — hundreds of thousands of people are not claiming it. and _ hundreds of thousands of people are not claiming it. and as _ hundreds of thousands of people are not claiming it. and as sarah - not claiming it. and as sarah pointed _ not claiming it. and as sarah pointed out, _ not claiming it. and as sarah pointed out, it— not claiming it. and as sarah pointed out, it is— not claiming it. and as sarah pointed out, it is a _ not claiming it. and as sarah pointed out, it is a gateway. not claiming it. and as sarah. pointed out, it is a gateway to other— pointed out, it is a gateway to other payments _ pointed out, it is a gateway to other payments that - pointed out, it is a gateway to other payments that can - pointed out, it is a gateway to other payments that can helpi pointed out, it is a gateway to - other payments that can help with your energy — other payments that can help with your energy bills _ other payments that can help with your energy bills and _ other payments that can help with your energy bills and so _ other payments that can help with your energy bills and so on. - other payments that can help with your energy bills and so on. me i other payments that can help with your energy bills and so on. we have touched a little _ your energy bills and so on. we have touched a little bit _ your energy bills and so on. we have touched a little bit on _ your energy bills and so on. we have touched a little bit on the _ your energy bills and so on. we have touched a little bit on the issue - your energy bills and so on. we have touched a little bit on the issue of i touched a little bit on the issue of direct debits but there is

frustration that those direct debits can go up at the whim of the energy provider. in their defence, they might say we charge you all year so it evens out in summer, you use less so you pay less. and then in winter it averages out when you pay a lot more. but what control do we have over those direct debits? important u date over those direct debits? important update from — over those direct debits? important update from ofgem, _ over those direct debits? important update from ofgem, but _ over those direct debits? important update from ofgem, but they - over those direct debits? important update from ofgem, but they have | update from ofgem, but they have said there — update from ofgem, but they have said there will _ update from ofgem, but they have said there will be _ update from ofgem, but they have said there will be cases _ update from ofgem, but they have said there will be cases when - update from ofgem, but they have i said there will be cases when people will see _ said there will be cases when people will see their — said there will be cases when people will see their direct— said there will be cases when people will see their direct debit— said there will be cases when people will see their direct debit being - will see their direct debit being increased — will see their direct debit being increased before _ will see their direct debit being increased before october, - will see their direct debit being increased before october, so. will see their direct debit being - increased before october, so before the new— increased before october, so before the new price — increased before october, so before the new price cap— increased before october, so before the new price cap almost _ increased before october, so before the new price cap almost kicks- increased before october, so before the new price cap almost kicks in, l the new price cap almost kicks in, in preparation _ the new price cap almost kicks in, in preparation for— the new price cap almost kicks in, in preparation for that, _ the new price cap almost kicks in, in preparation for that, your- the new price cap almost kicks in, i in preparation for that, your energy provider— in preparation for that, your energy provider might _ in preparation for that, your energy provider might say— in preparation for that, your energy provider might say they _ in preparation for that, your energy provider might say they are - in preparation for that, your energy provider might say they are putting i provider might say they are putting up provider might say they are putting up your— provider might say they are putting up your direct — provider might say they are putting up your direct debit. _ provider might say they are putting up your direct debit. you _ provider might say they are putting up your direct debit. you can - up your direct debit. you can question— up your direct debit. you can question that, _ up your direct debit. you can question that, whether- up your direct debit. you can question that, whether you i up your direct debit. you can i question that, whether you feel up your direct debit. you can - question that, whether you feel it is too _ question that, whether you feel it is too much — question that, whether you feel it is too much or— question that, whether you feel it is too much or it _ question that, whether you feel it is too much or it doesn't - question that, whether you feel it is too much or it doesn't follow. l is too much or it doesn't follow. ctearty — is too much or it doesn't follow. ctearty they _ is too much or it doesn't follow. clearly they will _ is too much or it doesn't follow. clearly they will be _ is too much or it doesn't follow. clearly they will be looking - is too much or it doesn't follow. clearly they will be looking at. is too much or it doesn't follow. . clearly they will be looking at your previous _ clearly they will be looking at your previous usage _ clearly they will be looking at your previous usage as _ clearly they will be looking at your previous usage as well. _ clearly they will be looking at your previous usage as well. if - clearly they will be looking at your previous usage as well. if you - clearly they will be looking at your| previous usage as well. if you have a lot previous usage as well. if you have a tot of— previous usage as well. if you have a tot of money— previous usage as well. if you have a lot of money in— previous usage as well. if you have a lot of money in the _ previous usage as well. if you have a lot of money in the bank, -

previous usage as well. if you have a lot of money in the bank, if- previous usage as well. if you have a lot of money in the bank, if you i a lot of money in the bank, if you like. _ a lot of money in the bank, if you like. with— a lot of money in the bank, if you like. with your— a lot of money in the bank, if you like, with your supplier, - a lot of money in the bank, if you like, with your supplier, you - a lot of money in the bank, if you like, with your supplier, you cani like, with your supplier, you can say hang — like, with your supplier, you can say hang on. _ like, with your supplier, you can say hang on. you _ like, with your supplier, you can say hang on, you some - like, with your supplier, you can say hang on, you some of- like, with your supplier, you can say hang on, you some of that, i like, with your supplier, you can i say hang on, you some of that, or maybe _ say hang on, you some of that, or maybe get— say hang on, you some of that, or maybe get some _ say hang on, you some of that, or maybe get some of— say hang on, you some of that, or maybe get some of that _ say hang on, you some of that, or maybe get some of that money. say hang on, you some of that, or. maybe get some of that money back. it is maybe get some of that money back. it is something — maybe get some of that money back. it is something you _ maybe get some of that money back. it is something you can— maybe get some of that money back. it is something you can talk- maybe get some of that money back. it is something you can talk to - maybe get some of that money back. it is something you can talk to your. it is something you can talk to your supplier— it is something you can talk to your supplier about~ _ it is something you can talk to your supplier about. it _ it is something you can talk to your supplier about. it is _ it is something you can talk to your supplier about. it is not _ it is something you can talk to your supplier about. it is not something| supplier about. it is not something that witt— supplier about. it is not something that will be — supplier about. it is not something that will be set _ supplier about. it is not something that will be set in _ supplier about. it is not something that will be set in stone. _ supplier about. it is not something that will be set in stone. i- supplier about. it is not something that will be set in stone. i think. that will be set in stone. i think people — that will be set in stone. i think peopte do— that will be set in stone. i think peopte do need _ that will be set in stone. i think people do need to _ that will be set in stone. i think people do need to brace - that will be set in stone. i think- people do need to brace themselves for the _ people do need to brace themselves for the fact— people do need to brace themselves for the fact that _ people do need to brace themselves for the fact that those _ people do need to brace themselves for the fact that those letters - people do need to brace themselves for the fact that those letters and i for the fact that those letters and emails _ for the fact that those letters and emails witt— for the fact that those letters and e—mails will be _ for the fact that those letters and e—mails will be arriving _ for the fact that those letters and e—mails will be arriving pretty - e—mails will be arriving pretty soon — e—mails will be arriving pretty soon i— e-mails will be arriving pretty soon. . ., ., e-mails will be arriving pretty soon. ., e-mails will be arriving pretty soon. _, ., ,~. . soon. i will come to you in a second. _ soon. i will come to you in a second, chat, _ soon. i will come to you in a second, chat, you _ soon. i will come to you in a second, chat, you touched l soon. i will come to you in a. second, chat, you touched on martin's questions, why do companies let credit build up, why don't they use it on the next bill or refund you? is it to even things out the next year?— you? is it to even things out the next ear? , . . , next year? yes, naturally you will use more in _ next year? yes, naturally you will use more in the _ next year? yes, naturally you will use more in the winter— next year? yes, naturally you will use more in the winter and - next year? yes, naturally you will use more in the winter and less i next year? yes, naturally you will| use more in the winter and less in the summer. _ use more in the winter and less in the summer. but— use more in the winter and less in the summer, but if— use more in the winter and less in the summer, but if you _ use more in the winter and less in the summer, but if you feel- use more in the winter and less in the summer, but if you feel it - use more in the winter and less in the summer, but if you feel it is l the summer, but if you feel it is getting — the summer, but if you feel it is getting excessive, _ the summer, but if you feel it is getting excessive, get - the summer, but if you feel it is getting excessive, get in - the summer, but if you feel it is| getting excessive, get in contact with your— getting excessive, get in contact with your supply. _ getting excessive, get in contact with your supply. just _ getting excessive, get in contact with your supply-— getting excessive, get in contact with your supply. just quickly, what i would with your supply. just quickly, what i would say — with your supply. just quickly, what i would say to _ with your supply. just quickly, what i would say to people, _ with your supply. just quickly, what i would say to people, if _ with your supply. just quickly, what i would say to people, if you - with your supply. just quickly, what i would say to people, if you are . i would say to people, if you are experiencing difficulty paying your energy— experiencing difficulty paying your energy bills, get in touch with your energy— energy bills, get in touch with your energy supply. i have been in a position— energy supply. i have been in a position where i have built up that

with an _ position where i have built up that with an energy supply in the past, i didn't— with an energy supply in the past, i didn't get— with an energy supply in the past, i didn't get in— with an energy supply in the past, i didn't get in touch with them and hit my— didn't get in touch with them and hit my head in the sand about it. it set up _ hit my head in the sand about it. it set up a _ hit my head in the sand about it. it set up a spiral of events, i ended up set up a spiral of events, i ended up with— set up a spiral of events, i ended up with county court judgments, i cannot— up with county court judgments, i cannot get— up with county court judgments, i cannot get a mortgage or a basic phone _ cannot get a mortgage or a basic phone contract, years later. talk to them. _ phone contract, years later. talk to them. ask— phone contract, years later. talk to them, ask for a reduction. phone contract, years later. talk to them, ask fora reduction. it phone contract, years later. talk to them, ask for a reduction. it is easy— them, ask for a reduction. it is easy to — them, ask for a reduction. it is easy to calculate your own usage on your bill. _ easy to calculate your own usage on your bill. it — easy to calculate your own usage on your bill, it will tell you what price — your bill, it will tell you what price per— your bill, it will tell you what price per kilowatt hour is. go to your— price per kilowatt hour is. go to your metre. _ price per kilowatt hour is. go to your metre, make a note of what the reading _ your metre, make a note of what the reading is _ your metre, make a note of what the reading is. go back a week later and then make _ reading is. go back a week later and then make a — reading is. go back a week later and then make a note of what the new one is. then make a note of what the new one is subtract— then make a note of what the new one is. subtract one from the other, times— is. subtract one from the other, times it — is. subtract one from the other, times it by— is. subtract one from the other, times it by the kilowatt per hour. then— times it by the kilowatt per hour. then ring — times it by the kilowatt per hour. then ring up and say, i'm being charged— then ring up and say, i'm being charged for— then ring up and say, i'm being charged for £600, i am only using 570 _ charged for £600, i am only using 570 put— charged for £600, i am only using £70. put yourself in a strong negotiating position with your energy— negotiating position with your energy provider and go from there. that is— energy provider and go from there. that is the — energy provider and go from there. that is the clearest explanation i have heard. sarah, what should

people be thinking about? echo what jack said. people be thinking about? echo what jack said- talk _ people be thinking about? echo what jack said. talk to _ people be thinking about? echo what jack said. talk to your _ people be thinking about? echo what jack said. talk to your energy - jack said. talk to your energy provider and citizens advice, if you are getting in debt and need a repayment plan they can negotiate with the energy provider for you. energy providers will always volunteer to pay if you are in credit but if you ask and have an up—to—date metre reading with smart metre, they should repay the money. thank you all. we have got through a lot and i'm gratefulfor your time, thank you for being with us. that is your questions answered on your energy bills. hello. if you have plans to get out and about this weekend, which is a bank holiday for all apart from scotland, well, the weather actually shouldn't cause too many issues because it will be mostly dry with sunny spells. not completely dry, still a few showers to watch out for, and an increasing breeze,

which will make it feel cool for some. at the moment, we've got high pressure building to the south—west. this little frontal system, which has been working its way eastwards, still generating a bit more in the way of cloud, and a few showers continuing through the night across parts of north wales, into north—west england, maybe eastern scotland, too. elsewhere, though, some clear spells, one or two mist and fog patches, quite a cool and fresh night for many. eight for glasgow, nine for belfast, some spots in the countryside will get a little cooler than that. but saturday will dawn with spells of sunshine for many, one or two early mist patches. they should tend to clear. now, through the day, we'll see a few showers across eastern and southern scotland, northern england, parts of wales, the midlands, down towards the south, but they will be the exception rather than the rule. many places dodging them and staying dry. and a weather system just grazing into the west of northern ireland, the west of scotland. that may bring rain for some, but again, most will be dry. highs between 20—25 degrees for most, but a bit cooler for some eastern coasts. and actually, as we move into sunday, we'll develop more of a breeze off the north sea, which will just accentuate that cool feel for some eastern coasts. some cloud rolling in on the breeze as well into parts of scotland, maybe a bit of rain

in the far north—west. elsewhere, spells of sunshine, still potentially one or two showers, but with some shelter from the breeze, it'll be south wales and parts of south—west england that see the highest temperatures, 25 there for cardiff. some places further east actually will struggle a little temperature—wise through sunday and into monday. cool and rather cloudy for some of our towns and cities on the east coast, quite breezy as well, whereas further west, there will be more sunshine and higher temperatures. despite an increasing wind in the south—west of england, temperatures here on monday could get into the middle 205 celsius. so, quite windy in the south—west and through the english channel. still quite breezy for eastern coasts with a lot of cloud being pulled in on that breeze as well. one or two showers, a lot of dry weather and the best sunshine will be where we have shelter from that breeze, which will also bring the highest temperatures. values up to around 24—25 degrees. bye for now.

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