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what the resources are on the moon surface, the rocks that are present and also we think ice in the south polar regions of the moon that could be accessed to turn into oxygen, to be used in habitation habitat and also maybe be turned into building material, so to build soil—like structures that can provide protection from the harsh radiation environment at the south polar moon. there's a lot of testing to be done which will be done notjust by humans but by working with robotic vehicles and logistical supplies as well. hello and welcome to our look ahead
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to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me arejonathan walker deputy political editor, sunday express, and ali miraj columnist at the article. welcome to you both and i am so glad you got the white shirt, earphones memo. the i says liz truss faces growing calls to help more people with the cost of living if she becomes prime minister. the financial times has a warning from top officials and policymakers that central banks face a real challenge to tackle inflation in the coming years. meanwhile — the telegraph leads on comments from borisjohnson to not give up on green energy. an exclusive in the guardian, reporting that black and asian people in england have to wait longer for cancer diagnosis than white people, impacting survival rates. the express claims campaigners believe cash could be phased out by 2027. and the daily star reports in it's own way on the head of the environment agency saying people need to be "less squeamish"
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about drinking water recyled from sewage treatment plants. surprise you to hear we will not be featuring that in the review. start with the i. how clear are you, ali, about what liz truss is going to do to help people through a difficult winter? i to help people through a difficult winter? . ., ., , . ., to help people through a difficult winter? . ., ., ,~ ., ., ., winter? i am not really clear at all but she would _ winter? i am not really clear at all but she would have _ winter? i am not really clear at all but she would have to _ winter? i am not really clear at all but she would have to announce l but she would have to announce something if she does become prime minister on september five and it looks that way according to the polling. she said in principle she doesn't believe in hand—outs and she wants to be led by tax cuts. she is going to not increase corporation tax from 19 to 25% she will reverse the increase in national insurance and she will remove the green levies on energy bills, but that will only yield 158 quid for the average
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family, the overall package of these things will cost 30 billion but it will barely touch the sides. if you have the situation we have now where 0fgem have announced the price increase by 80%, just shy of e3000 and yet to go up further on the back of this war with ukraine that we are having with russia reducing energy supplies to europe, we have a dire situation. she will have to do a massive fiscal intervention. there is some talk she would look at two things, one is cutting vat by 5%, the other is increasing income tax in line with inflation which not been the case since a stealth tax at the moment where a lot of people are falling into higher tax bands than they would have normally done had it increased with inflation. there are a range of options but this idea there are going to be no hand—outs is in my view not going to come to pass, i'm sure there will be
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targeted support and in that sense she will not get the credit having said she was not going to do it. it might look rather different to either of them when they are actually in power. jonathan, there is the suggestion that things are so bad to stop family is really struggling and to stop businesses going under, you might need some kind of covid style response where the treasury steps in. yes. kind of covid style response where the treasury steps in.— the treasury steps in. yes. the situation the _ the treasury steps in. yes. the situation the country _ the treasury steps in. yes. the situation the country is - the treasury steps in. yes. the situation the country is facing, | situation the country is facing, ordinary— situation the country is facing, ordinary households and businesses is extremely severe and worrying. the next — is extremely severe and worrying. the next prime minister will take office _ the next prime minister will take office in— the next prime minister will take office injust over a week's time. based _ office injust over a week's time. based on — office injust over a week's time. based on the way they are assuming liz truss_ based on the way they are assuming liz truss will be the person who becomes— liz truss will be the person who becomes prime minister and that is what most — becomes prime minister and that is what most people seem to believe, she will_ what most people seem to believe, she will be — what most people seem to believe, she will be under enormous pressure to announce — she will be under enormous pressure to announce very interesting and very strong measures soon. she has not given—
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very strong measures soon. she has not given a — very strong measures soon. she has not given a lot of detail about her piano _ not given a lot of detail about her piano also — not given a lot of detail about her plans. also rishi sunak has said the same _ plans. also rishi sunak has said the same thing. — plans. also rishi sunak has said the same thing, they cannot give the actuai— same thing, they cannot give the actual numbers until they get into number— actual numbers until they get into number ten, actual numbers until they get into numberten, untilthe actual numbers until they get into number ten, until the civil service and treasury have given them advice and treasury have given them advice and ali— and treasury have given them advice and all the _ and treasury have given them advice and all the figures are in front of them _ and all the figures are in front of them that — and all the figures are in front of them. that is the explanation for not telling — them. that is the explanation for not telling us their plans but people — not telling us their plans but people will need a huge amount of heio _ people will need a huge amount of heio the — people will need a huge amount of help. the price was about £1100 back in 2019. _ help. the price was about £1100 back in 2019, that is how much the average — in 2019, that is how much the average household would pay over a yeah _ average household would pay over a yeah it _ average household would pay over a year. it does depend on how much energy— year. it does depend on how much energy you — year. it does depend on how much energy you use, this doesn't apply to everybody, it is an average. in october— to everybody, it is an average. in october it— to everybody, it is an average. in october it will go up to £3500 but there _ october it will go up to £3500 but there is— october it will go up to £3500 but there is talk of it going up to more than £7,000. that type of increase, that is— than £7,000. that type of increase, that is more — than £7,000. that type of increase, that is more than most people have. most people cannot spare that amount of money—
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most people cannot spare that amount of money and for businesses, including _ of money and for businesses, including small businesses, it is even _ including small businesses, it is even worse because they are not protected — even worse because they are not protected by the price. the next prime _ protected by the price. the next prime minister will face a genuine emergency, people will not be able to afford _ emergency, people will not be able to afford to pay their fuel bills. there — to afford to pay their fuel bills. there is— to afford to pay their fuel bills. there is no easy answer but in order to solve _ there is no easy answer but in order to solve it. — there is no easy answer but in order to solve it, they may well have to do something to the covid bailout when _ do something to the covid bailout when the — do something to the covid bailout when the government went above and beyond _ when the government went above and beyond to— when the government went above and beyond to protect the economy and people _ beyond to protect the economy and people from the impact of covid, to do something like that again otherwise a lot of people will face a lot of— otherwise a lot of people will face a lot of misery. just otherwise a lot of people will face a lot of misery-— a lot of misery. just a quick comment — a lot of misery. just a quick comment on _ a lot of misery. just a quick comment on the _ a lot of misery. just a quick comment on the telegraph | a lot of misery. just a quick- comment on the telegraph story. a lot of misery. just a quick— comment on the telegraph story. pm, don't give up on green energy. this is borisjohnson, we haven't heard from him a lot, how surprised are you about this intervention about not giving up on that zero? is you about this intervention about not giving up on that zero? is not surrisin: not giving up on that zero? is not surprising that — not giving up on that zero? is not surprising that he _
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not giving up on that zero? is not surprising that he wants - not giving up on that zero? is not surprising that he wants to - surprising that he wants to contribute something to the debate before _ contribute something to the debate before he _ contribute something to the debate before he goes and this is the way he has _ before he goes and this is the way he has decided to talk about. there is a debate — he has decided to talk about. there is a debate about green energy because — is a debate about green energy because some say it is expensive, on the other— because some say it is expensive, on the other hand in the long run, green — the other hand in the long run, green energy, somewhat bizarrely beobie _ green energy, somewhat bizarrely people seem to think of nuclear power— people seem to think of nuclear power might be the way out of these energy— power might be the way out of these energy price rises. ni, power might be the way out of these energy price rises.— energy price rises. ali, what is he suggesting _ energy price rises. ali, what is he suggesting we — energy price rises. ali, what is he suggesting we do? _ energy price rises. ali, what is he suggesting we do? it _ energy price rises. ali, what is he suggesting we do? it is _ energy price rises. ali, what is he suggesting we do? it is a - energy price rises. ali, what is he suggesting we do? it is a long - suggesting we do? it is a long lead—in time to get some of these projects going and some of these subsidies have gone. it projects going and some of these subsidies have gone.— projects going and some of these subsidies have gone. it reminds me of what mark _ subsidies have gone. it reminds me of what mark carney _ subsidies have gone. it reminds me of what mark carney once, - subsidies have gone. it reminds me of what mark carney once, the - subsidies have gone. it reminds me i of what mark carney once, the former governor of the bank of england once said in relation to these energy issues and carbon footprint which is the tragedy of the horizon. the politician's horizon is an electoral cycle or four to five years and they
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don't think beyond that. when you are looking at something at sizewell c which has been signed off by the government, you are talking about 20 billion in minimum investment. part of that will come from the public sector, not from the private sector but these are difficult projects to get off the ground. we have hinkley point c. johnson once a fivefold increase in wind power by 2030, he also wants increase nuclear power, all this will cost money and you have to bear in my new technology like electrical vehicle charging, battery storage, carbon capture storage, green hydrogen, all of those things need to be in some senses supported by the government until those technologies are up and running and stand on their own two feet and investors are comfortable that they don't need subsidies. it will cost money that we don't have. let's look at the ft, utilities and regulators are not fit for purpose
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says a former government adviser. professor of economic policy at the university of oxford. he is saying privatise water and energy companies have not done well for consumers. two big stories around at the moment, _ two big stories around at the moment, one is obviously the energy price rises, _ moment, one is obviously the energy price rises, the other has been the controversy— price rises, the other has been the controversy about water companies dumbing _ controversy about water companies dumping sewage into rivers and seas and also _ dumping sewage into rivers and seas and also the way that water companies dealt with the recent heatwave... is companies dealt with the recent heatwave- - -_ companies dealt with the recent heatwave... , , ., heatwave. .. is it supposedly or have we not just — heatwave. .. is it supposedly or have we notjust seen _ heatwave. .. is it supposedly or have we notjust seen it _ heatwave. .. is it supposedly or have we notjust seen it and _ heatwave. .. is it supposedly or have we notjust seen it and we _ heatwave. .. is it supposedly or have we notjust seen it and we know- heatwave. .. is it supposedly or have we notjust seen it and we know it . we notjust seen it and we know it is happening that this dumping of sewage is happening in our waterways? it sewage is happening in our waterways?— sewage is happening in our waterways? sewage is happening in our waterwa s? , ., , , ., waterways? it is happening to some extent but i'm _ waterways? it is happening to some extent but i'm not _ waterways? it is happening to some extent but i'm not certain _ waterways? it is happening to some extent but i'm not certain the - extent but i'm not certain the problem _ extent but i'm not certain the problem has grown in the same way that some _ problem has grown in the same way that some critics have accused the
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government. that some critics have accused the government-— that some critics have accused the government. haven't mps voted in favour of allowing _ government. haven't mps voted in favour of allowing it _ government. haven't mps voted in favour of allowing it to _ government. haven't mps voted in favour of allowing it to happen - favour of allowing it to happen because there were no chemicals to purfiy because there were no chemicals to purify these contaminated waters? i purify these contaminated waters? i don't think that is quite right. the environment bill that was voted on by mps _ environment bill that was voted on by mps did impose new responsibilities on water companies to limit— responsibilities on water companies to limit and reduce the damage that they caused to the environment and public— they caused to the environment and public health. a measure that was proposed — public health. a measure that was proposed by the duke of wellington in the _ proposed by the duke of wellington in the house of lords was rejected and replaced by a proposal by the environment secretary, but it's not quite _ environment secretary, but it's not quite true — environment secretary, but it's not quite true as has been claimed by some _ quite true as has been claimed by some people that the government simply— some people that the government simply gave the water companies permission that they didn't have before _ permission that they didn't have before to — permission that they didn't have before to dump sewage in our rivers and the _ before to dump sewage in our rivers and the sea — before to dump sewage in our rivers and the sea. ni, before to dump sewage in our rivers and the sea-— and the sea. ali, what is the answer then? is and the sea. ali, what is the answer then? is this— and the sea. ali, what is the answer then? is this professor _
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and the sea. ali, what is the answer then? is this professor proposing i then? is this professor proposing renationalising these companies? he: says the model is broken and privatisation has not come to pass in the way it was intended. i know him personally, he is a very accomplished, respected academic and he is an authority on these matters. he is saying the regulators are not fit for purpose, the system is to be looked at and he is making a pertinent point which is that given the fact we are not so dependent on russia for our energy supply here, something that i cannot understand, wondering why we are so than link to the market price for gas? he is saying regulators should be forcing these companies to be charging cost to customers based on the cost of production not the market price for gas, which makes perfect sense to me. he is making a lot of good points, i think the whole system does need to be looked at again. i does need to be looked at again. i
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do think private investors who invest in infrastructure need to make a decent regulated return but we need to upgrade our water infrastructure, there is 120,000 miles of victorian pipework that is not fit for purpose, causing 2.4 billion litres of water leaking away. ultimately thames water customers are going to have to pay so sewage is not pumped into the thames when there is excess rainfall. �* . thames when there is excess rainfall. �* , ., ., ~' thames when there is excess rainfall. �* , ., rainfall. let's look at the guardian. _ rainfall. let's look at the guardian. ali, _ rainfall. let's look at the guardian. ali, briefly, i rainfall. let's look at the | guardian. ali, briefly, we rainfall. let's look at the - guardian. ali, briefly, we are rather squeezed for time tonight, revealed black and asian cancer patients wait longer for diagnosis. it says racial divide link to survival rates in england. they have looked at 126,000 _ survival rates in england. they have looked at 126,000 cases, _ survival rates in england. they have looked at 126,000 cases, this - looked at 126,000 cases, this particular university and i couldn't get too excited initially because on
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average 55 days for people that were not from ethnic minorities and 60 daysin not from ethnic minorities and 60 days in terms of getting a gp, from gp referral to diagnosis but then there are some serious outliers. if you have stomach cancer for example there is a differential of about 50 days if you are asian or black too if you're white in terms of getting a diagnosis. that is serious and those kind of anomalies need to be looked at in detail to understand why these are occurring. sabra looked at in detail to understand why these are occurring. saw during the pandemic— why these are occurring. saw during the pandemic the _ why these are occurring. saw during the pandemic the death _ why these are occurring. saw during the pandemic the death rates - why these are occurring. saw during i the pandemic the death rates amongst black and asian patients from covid seem to be higher because of underlying issues to do with health. what is this article saying about why this is happening? i what is this article saying about why this is happening?- what is this article saying about why this is happening? i don't think the guardian _ why this is happening? i don't think the guardian knows _ why this is happening? i don't think the guardian knows why _ why this is happening? i don't think the guardian knows why this - why this is happening? i don't think the guardian knows why this is i the guardian knows why this is happening. what the article is saying — happening. what the article is saying is— happening. what the article is saying is that this is a problem and
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it is extremely important to find out why— it is extremely important to find out why this is happening. this is an issue — out why this is happening. this is an issue that came up during covid, that these _ an issue that came up during covid, that these disparities exist but it's not— that these disparities exist but it's not immediately obvious why these _ it's not immediately obvious why these disparities exist and it shows these disparities exist and it shows the importance of doing this kind of research _ the importance of doing this kind of research. the guardian has produced an excellent — research. the guardian has produced an excellent report here highlighting a problem. that's only the first— highlighting a problem. that's only the first half of the task. the second — the first half of the task. the second half is to put in the work and it— second half is to put in the work and it may— second half is to put in the work and it may take some time, effort and it may take some time, effort and money— and it may take some time, effort and money finding out exactly what the issue _ and money finding out exactly what the issue is. with covid it did not seem _ the issue is. with covid it did not seem to — the issue is. with covid it did not seem to be — the issue is. with covid it did not seem to be to do with, terrible as it would _ seem to be to do with, terrible as it would be, — seem to be to do with, terrible as it would be, it might be the easiest issue _ it would be, it might be the easiest issue to _ it would be, it might be the easiest issue to deal with which would be straightforward prejudice on the part of— straightforward prejudice on the part of people in the health service, _ part of people in the health service, which is not what is happening. it seems far more complicated. it may be to do with
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other— complicated. it may be to do with other inequalities underlying inequalities throughout society which — inequalities throughout society which are problems and which are wrong _ which are problems and which are wrong and — which are problems and which are wrong and need to be dealt with. but these _ wrong and need to be dealt with. but these are _ wrong and need to be dealt with. but these are complex and require some hard work— these are complex and require some hard work to— these are complex and require some hard work to identify.— hard work to identify. thank you very much. _ hard work to identify. thank you very much, jonathan _ hard work to identify. thank you very much, jonathan and - hard work to identify. thank you very much, jonathan and ali. i hard work to identify. thank you i very much, jonathan and ali. that is the papers for this hour but we are back again at half past 11 for another look at the front pages, but goodbye for now. on your marks... get set...
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