tv HM the Queen BBC News September 14, 2022 1:00pm-5:01pm BST
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six days have passed since the death of her majesty the queen — and as london prepares to host the first state funeral in nearly 60 years — another important event in the period of national mourning is about to take place this afternoon. overnight — in the bow room of buckingham palace — it isa it is a grand room overlooking the gardens of buckingham palace. the late queen's coffin has been lying at rest ready for today's state procession to westminster hall —
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and the lying—in—state over the coming days. the royal household will pass responsibility to the state for the events to come. it is a reflection of the status of the event in terms of the status of the event in terms of the status of the event in terms of the monarch�*s passing. the procession will make its way along the mall. it is decked in union flags. they will make their way to whitehall and parliament square. this is the ceremonial route travelled so many times by the queen on very happy occasions including jubilees and birthday parades, and of course in sadder times as well, including the funeral of her father and mother whose statues dominate one section of the mall on the ceremonial route. forfour of the mall on the ceremonial route. for four days of the mall on the ceremonial route. forfour days and nights of the mall on the ceremonial route. for four days and nights the ancient space of westminster hall which is 1000 years old, will be the setting for the lying—in—state and the solemn vigil to be witnessed probably by vast numbers of people
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all converging on central london in recent days, eager to pay their last respects to a much loved and respected monarch. our afternoon plasma coverage which will of course follow all of the events right up until the service, the religious service in westminster hall a little later on before the lying—in—state begins, our coverage begins with our special guest today is sir david attenborough, the distinguished broadcaster, and dame darcey bussell, the equally distinguished ballerina, writer, author and broadcaster. thank you for coming in. david, first of all, i mention the fact this is really the opening of the state process. we are suddenly seeing central london as part of this very formal, very planned ceremonial process. it is impressive, isn't it? it is impressive to see it unfold. very
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much so and _ impressive to see it unfold. very much so and impressive - impressive to see it unfold. very much so and impressive to - impressive to see it unfold. - much so and impressive to find so many people here. and of course, it is a village here, in effect, ready for great numbers of people who have to be looked after, have to be provided with food and one thing and another. but also the sheer density of people coming from all over the place, from foreign shores as well as other parts of britain. it is enormously impressive just to come here. enormously impressive “ust to come here. ~ ., ~' enormously impressive “ust to come here. ~ ., ~ ., enormously impressive “ust to come here. ~ ., 4' ., v, �*, here. when you think of the queen's contribution. — here. when you think of the queen's contribution, a _ here. when you think of the queen's contribution, a lifetime _ here. when you think of the queen's contribution, a lifetime of— here. when you think of the queen's contribution, a lifetime of service, . contribution, a lifetime of service, dedication, a solid sense of duty, how important is it for us to be recognising all of those qualities and values, as we witness all of the ceremonial events going on in front of us? i ceremonial events going on in front of us? ~ ., , ceremonial events going on in front of us? ~ . , , of us? i think what is evident is the affection — of us? i think what is evident is the affection displayed - of us? i think what is evident is the affection displayed by - of us? i think what is evident is the affection displayed by so i of us? i think what is evident is i
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the affection displayed by so many people from so many parts of the world. notjust in this country but all over the place. people are wandering around, and there is a sense of communal attitude, as it were, that we all are focused on the same event that happened a week ago, and we are all in this particular state of suspension in between the final acts. ., . final acts. you are quite right, david, final acts. you are quite right, david. as _ final acts. you are quite right, david. as we _ final acts. you are quite right, david, as we see _ final acts. you are quite right, david, as we see lots - final acts. you are quite right, david, as we see lots of - final acts. you are quite right, david, as we see lots of the l final acts. you are quite right, - david, as we see lots of the people they waiting patiently along the mall. the crowns of course will grow over the days ahead. from your point of view, having met the queen on quite a few occasions, to put it mildly, having danced for her and indeed having danced with in this same space as her as we understand, what would you say about the queen that you met and the queen that you got to know? i that you met and the queen that you got to know?— got to know? i suppose what hits me straightaway — got to know? i suppose what hits me
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straightaway is _ got to know? i suppose what hits me straightaway is probably _ got to know? i suppose what hits me straightaway is probably one - got to know? i suppose what hits me straightaway is probably one of the l straightaway is probably one of the most _ straightaway is probably one of the most hard—working women i have ever know“, _ most hard—working women i have ever known, actually. ithinkjust most hard—working women i have ever known, actually. i thinkjust having a small_ known, actually. i thinkjust having a small amount of pressure on my, but to— a small amount of pressure on my, but to think— a small amount of pressure on my, but to think that all her working life, but to think that all her working life. the — but to think that all her working life, the 70 years of reign she has had a _ life, the 70 years of reign she has had a camera on her every minute. and that, _ had a camera on her every minute. and that, of— had a camera on her every minute. and that, of course the respect and amount_ and that, of course the respect and amount of— and that, of course the respect and amount of work that goes into meet so many— amount of work that goes into meet so many people and make them feel so valued _ so many people and make them feel so valued and _ so many people and make them feel so valued and understood, it is extraordinary. really extraordinary. every _ extraordinary. really extraordinary. every time — extraordinary. really extraordinary. every time i— extraordinary. really extraordinary. every time i have met her she has been _ every time i have met her she has been so _ every time i have met her she has been so personal and so real and very frank. — been so personal and so real and very frank, and i really respect that_ very frank, and i really respect that she — very frank, and i really respect that she canjust speak very frank, and i really respect that she can just speak very calmly to you _ that she can just speak very calmly to you. what is it you do again? no, no, she _ to you. what is it you do again? no, no, she is— to you. what is it you do again? no, no, she is always totally on it, but curious_ no, she is always totally on it, but curious as — no, she is always totally on it, but curious as well, which is really lovely — curious as well, which is really lovely i— curious as well, which is really lovel . ~' , ., ., lovely. i think everyone here today and certainly _ lovely. i think everyone here today and certainly those _ lovely. i think everyone here today and certainly those in _ lovely. i think everyone here today and certainly those in the - and certainly those in the surrounding parks and up towards horse guards parade are aware in a
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gentle way of the kind of woman that she was because of course that is a separate judgment to the kind of queen that she was because we are talking about two different things. personality, which wasn't always evident, but of course, the formality which, for the most part, was always evident. and as we look at these scenes, darcey, maybe you can share with us may be just one experience of meeting the queen and how that came about and what were your impressions really, most of all? ,, . , your impressions really, most of all? ,, . all? she was quite cheeky, quite fun. all? she was quite cheeky, quite fun- there _ all? she was quite cheeky, quite fun. there are _ all? she was quite cheeky, quite fun. there are lots _ all? she was quite cheeky, quite fun. there are lots of _ all? she was quite cheeky, quite fun. there are lots of little - fun. there are lots of little stories _ fun. there are lots of little stories when i have come across her. ithink— stories when i have come across her. i think one _ stories when i have come across her. i think one of— stories when i have come across her. i think one of them, when you mentioned about being on the same dance _ mentioned about being on the same dance as _ mentioned about being on the same dance as her, which is pretty unusual, _ dance as her, which is pretty unusual, i_ dance as her, which is pretty unusual, i was going to windsor castle _ unusual, i was going to windsor castle for— unusual, i was going to windsor castle for a very big celebration of four castle fora very big celebration of four royai— castle for a very big celebration of four royal birthdays. it was quite a white _ four royal birthdays. it was quite a while back, — four royal birthdays. it was quite a while back, the queen's, the 70th of
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princess_ while back, the queen's, the 70th of princess margaret, the 40th of prince — princess margaret, the 40th of prince andrew and and the 18th of prince _ prince andrew and and the 18th of prince william and it was an odd occasion— prince william and it was an odd occasion to _ prince william and it was an odd occasion to be invited to and a lot of people — occasion to be invited to and a lot of people were going to it and i remember coming through the doors with my— remember coming through the doors with my husband and the queen greeted — with my husband and the queen greeted us. i thought, with my husband and the queen greeted us. ithought, i with my husband and the queen greeted us. i thought, i wasn't expecting _ greeted us. i thought, i wasn't expecting that and she said straightaway, there is either some roadworks— straightaway, there is either some roadworks or there has been a crash on the _ roadworks or there has been a crash on the motorway because there are not many— on the motorway because there are not many people here sojust so on the motorway because there are not many people here so just so you know _ not many people here so just so you know if_ not many people here so just so you know if it _ not many people here so just so you know if it is — not many people here so just so you know if it is going to fill up. not what _ know if it is going to fill up. not what you — know if it is going to fill up. not what you are expected to be greeted by the _ what you are expected to be greeted by the queen. and obviously her concern — by the queen. and obviously her concern that the party hadn't started — concern that the party hadn't started fully. but then as it started _ started fully. but then as it started it was a nice relaxed affair, — started it was a nice relaxed affair, there was a parfait and there — affair, there was a parfait and there was— affair, there was a parfait and there was dancing at me and my husband — there was dancing at me and my husband were on the dance floor and you suddenly realised the queen is dancing _ you suddenly realised the queen is dancing behind you and you think, 0k, dancing behind you and you think, 0k. i_ dancing behind you and you think, 0k. i don't— dancing behind you and you think, ok, i don't want to bump into the queen! _ ok, i don't want to bump into the queen! -- — ok, i don't want to bump into the queen! —— buffet. and then i walked into another— queen! —— buffet. and then i walked into another room and realised that the queen— into another room and realised that the queen was sat next to us on another— the queen was sat next to us on another seat, and she said, "are you following _ another seat, and she said, "are you following me?" and i said, i promise
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you, following me?" and i said, i promise you. i'rn _ following me?" and i said, i promise you. i'm not — following me?" and i said, i promise you, i'm not trying to follow you. just by _ you, i'm not trying to follow you. just by a — you, i'm not trying to follow you. just by a coincidence. cheeky and fun. �* , , ., , ., just by a coincidence. cheeky and fun. , ., fun. and putting people at ease. yes, fun. and putting people at ease. yes. exactly. — fun. and putting people at ease. yes. exactly. it— fun. and putting people at ease. yes, exactly, it was _ fun. and putting people at ease. yes, exactly, it was a _ fun. and putting people at ease. yes, exactly, it was a lovely - yes, exactly, it was a lovely occasion _ yes, exactly, it was a lovely occasion-— yes, exactly, it was a lovely occasion. .., yes, exactly, it was a lovely occasion. _, ., occasion. david, we will come for some of your _ occasion. david, we will come for some of your memories - occasion. david, we will come for some of your memories in - occasion. david, we will come for some of your memories in a - occasion. david, we will come for - some of your memories in a moment, if we may. ever since the queen's death was announced at 6:30pm last thursday evening — writers and commentators have seemingly competed to produce the most impressive historical parallels — and yet the simple facts are impressive enough. 17 year reign, 15 prime ministers, 15 us presidents, seven popes, all within the compass of the reign, hundreds of national leaders met the queen and there will be millions of members of the public at home and overseas who also shared that special experience.
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very poignant images. and there we have the empty balcony today, as we await the start of this state procession bearing the queen's body from buckingham palace to westminster hall. but this of course the scene of so many celebrations in the scene of so many celebrations in the past and the vast crowds here on the past and the vast crowds here on the day of the birthday parade in june and that great fly—past by the royal air force, including the red arrows, how many times have we seen it, and every time the queen was there smiling broadly. the royal standard flying because king charles iii is in residence at buckingham palace. the royal standard proudly telling the world that the king is present. and of course, the king will be part of the procession today. let me give you a little guide to the events of the afternoon. that will help us understand how they might unfold as
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the afternoon goes on. in around round in our�*s time, may bejust a little more than that, the procession will begin, it will accompany the queen's coffin and it will leave buckingham palace. it will leave buckingham palace. it will make its way along the mall, it will make its way along the mall, it will be a gun carriage drawn by the riders of the king's troop royal horse artillery, past clarence house, stjames's palace, and it will make its way solemnly and slowly down the approach to horse guards and the scene of so many jubilant birthday parades over the years, and threw horse guards arch, along whitehall, past the cenotaph where the queen, for decades, has led the nation's remembrance, into parliament square, into new palace yard and then into the palace of westminster, the most ancient part of which is westminster hall which miraculously survived all of the damage of the second world war.
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westminster hall, 1000 years old, is the location of the lying—in—state where we will see the service a little later on, and that is where the queen's coffin will be received. then the vigils will begin and embers of the public eventually will be able to come in and file past. we will have full coverage of the day's events, more special guests joining me later, of course, and if you would like unaccompanied coverage you can have that as well, you can use the service on the red button too. a short while ago... the king's troop royal horse artillery made their way to hyde park where throughout the duration of the procession, they will fire minute guns. that will be a solemn part of the day. and also the great bell of big ben sounding every minute and some military bands contributing as well.
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at wellington barracks the guards of honour are ready to step off in a short time. my colleague jj chalmers is with them. service men and women from the armed forces are preparing to file out. all three services will be on parade today, the army, the navy and royal air force and at the height of the queen's bodyguard the royal household division. the queen as colonel in chief was our boss. she will be carried on the gun carriage from herfinal resting in her home buckingham palace at the mall and will be surrounded by armed forces personnel who feel a very personal connection to her. as the crowds have gathered to pay their respects
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this is how the armed forces show their respect by conducting their duty in the most difficult of circumstances because that is what she would have done and she lead by example. the individuals wearing the uniforms today will feel the emotion of today in every step that they take in every order they receive but it will be conducted with the utmost professionalism. and there they are, the household cavalry, the blues and royals waiting for this very solemn duty that they have this afternoon. and not far away big numbers of crowds along the mall. and sophie raworth is there. ., ., , , ., , is there. you get a sense of 'ust how many fl is there. you get a sense of 'ust how many people i is there. you get a sense of 'ust
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how many people are i is there. you get a sense of 'ust how many people are out i is there. you get a sense ofjust how many people are out here | is there. you get a sense ofjust - how many people are out here lining the mall. some people have been camping out all night braving the rain fall. others arrived earlier to take up their places to see the procession as it goes past. and people have been coming from all over the united kingdom and all over the world. people from kansas city, a woman from ukraine, canada, australia and two women who flew in from the west coast of america yesterday. when i asked them why they had come they said it was because their father had always grown up with the queen and loved the queen and he himself was too ill to come so i asked them to come for him. when the procession has passed a lot of people are planning to move away from the palace and head down towards the river and go and join the crowds on the other side of the river thames so that they can take
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part and file past the coffin of the queen to say a last, final farewell. they will be joined by so many people and that queue for the filing past will be potentially five miles long. we think the interest is clearly going to be intense. and as the longest serving monarch in british history the queen over the course of the year is that many world leaders and many serving and former leaders have sent messages of condolence. some are due to attend the lying in state and state funeral on monday. one of those has been paying tribute to former us president barack obama who made several visits to the uk and shared his very fond memories of the queen. the first time i met the queen was visiting london and she reminded me very much of my grandmother. which
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surprised me. notjust in appearance but in manner. very gracious but also no—nonsense with a wry sense of humour. she could not have been more kind of thoughtful to myself and michelle. shortly thereafter michelle. shortly thereafter michelle and my daughters had occasion to go back to england. buckingham palace reached out and her majesty had invited michelle and the girls to achieve. she then offered the girls to drive in her golden carriage around the grounds of buckingham palace. it was the sort of generosity and consideration that left a mark in their lives that is still there. the queen was an
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excellent listener. she had a genuine curiosity. although she was impatient to get the point. this is in 2011 and we were invited to a state dinner at buckingham palace. state dinners at buckingham palace are a little different to state dinners everywhere else. the queen was dressed up quite a bit for this state dinner. it was a little bit concerning for michelle because as a gift to her majesty michelle had selected a small, modest broach of nominal value. we reciprocated the following evening with dinner that we hosted at the american embassy. the one thing we immediately noticed is that she was wearing that brooch
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that michelle had given her. it was an example of the subtle thoughtfulness that she consistently displayed notjust to us but everyone who she interacted with. she was very mindful of guests at buckingham palace not overstaying their welcome. buckingham palace not overstaying theirwelcome. she buckingham palace not overstaying their welcome. she was looking at her watch at some points, ok, time to go! the same was true as a guest, she was not interested in over staying her welcome. she would look at a watch at a certain point and say, i think we need to wrap this up. that combination of a sense of duty and clear understanding of her role as a symbol for a nation and as the carrier of a certain set of values combined with very human quality of kindness and
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consideration, i think that is what made her so beloved notjust in great britain but around the world. some lovely recollections there from barack obama. and a bit of a sense of mischief coming out in many of these tributes. the queen was someone who had a real sense of presence and formality but behind the scenes she liked a bit of a giggle about some things and liked also to tease people. let's go back to sir david and darcey bussell. in your long career you have been a broadcaster on screen and also running things behind the scenes. one of the things that the bbc was involved with was the christmas broadcast. how did that work out in terms of dealing with the palace and the queen? i terms of dealing with the palace and the queen? ~' .,
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the queen? i think i did it for eiuht or the queen? i think i did it for eight or nine _ the queen? i think i did it for eight or nine years _ the queen? i think i did it for eight or nine years and - the queen? i think i did it for eight or nine years and the i the queen? i think i did it for l eight or nine years and the first time i was apprehensive and particularly when i discovered there would be a planning meeting at which the queen herself would take part. and the private secretary, a marvellous down to earth australian called bill heseltine was also there and we had a meeting with the queen to discuss this. and the queen said what about costume, what would you recommend. would this do? we had just selected the room in which it would take place in the trouble was her costume was green but the room in which we were going to do it also had green wallpaper so very apprehensively, and it was my first time, i said could we possibly change to a different colour? and she said, what is wrong with that
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colour! i said you majesty, the wallpaper would not look good and lord heseltine said, it was either that or have the room wallpapered again! and she said have you any idea what that is going to cost! i said i think that was a little joke and she said yes, maybe, but not very good one! it is and she said yes, maybe, but not very good one!— very good one! it is insights like that, because _ very good one! it is insights like that, because really _ very good one! it is insights like that, because really she - very good one! it is insights like that, because really she was - very good one! it is insights like that, because really she was a l very good one! it is insights like - that, because really she was a more serious point of help, help the production, that was the point. {lib production, that was the point. 0h es, production, that was the point. oi yes, she was production, that was the point. (31 yes, she was very anxious to help production, that was the point. 01 yes, she was very anxious to help in whatever way she could.— whatever way she could. darcey bussell whatever way she could. darcey itussell can _ whatever way she could. darcey bussell can one _ whatever way she could. darcey bussell can one sense - whatever way she could. darcey bussell can one sense about. whatever way she could. darcey| bussell can one sense about the whatever way she could. darcey - bussell can one sense about the idea of a role model. it is a ridiculously complex idea in one way because when someone has been on the throne for 70 years the sense of
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being a role model changes as well but as a woman, the most prominent woman in the world probably, since the early 1950s it has been a very different world and someone then he carry the responsibility. what is yoursense carry the responsibility. what is your sense of her contribution as role model?— role model? you 'ust gain such strenath role model? you 'ust gain such strength from _ role model? you 'ust gain such strength from it. — role model? you just gain such strength from it. to _ role model? you just gain such strength from it. to think- role model? you just gain such strength from it. to think that l role model? you just gain such i strength from it. to think that she came _ strength from it. to think that she came such — strength from it. to think that she came such a — strength from it. to think that she came such a young age and how daunting — came such a young age and how daunting that would have been. i have _ daunting that would have been. i have two— daunting that would have been. i have two daughters and i think of everything that they are starting doing _ everything that they are starting doing and to think that there is the queen— doing and to think that there is the queen starting at such a young age with such _ queen starting at such a young age with such responsibility on her shoulders. the history and everything and what she was taking on. everything and what she was taking on and _ everything and what she was taking on and her— everything and what she was taking on. and her great resilience and i suppose — on. and her great resilience and i suppose her strength i think was most _ suppose her strength i think was most inspiring as a young dancer as welt _ most inspiring as a young dancer as well. overwhelming.— most inspiring as a young dancer as well. overwhelming. there we have
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the scene at — well. overwhelming. there we have the scene at wellington _ well. overwhelming. there we have the scene at wellington barracks. i the scene at wellington barracks. just a few yards away from buckingham palace. we have the dismounted detachments of the blues and royals and the 1st battalion coldstream guards also part of the formalities today and providing the king's guard today. they will be one of three guards provided. one at horse guards, one at the palace and one at parliament square. fergal keane is with me. irate one at parliament square. fergal keane is with me.— one at parliament square. fergal keane is with me. we have had final aoodb es keane is with me. we have had final goodbyes and _ keane is with me. we have had final goodbyes and here _ keane is with me. we have had final goodbyes and here at _ keane is with me. we have had final goodbyes and here at wellington i goodbyes and here at wellington barracks the chips of the household division, the personal guide to the monarch since 1660, are about to make the shortjourney to buckingham palace from where they will accompany the queen scoffed coffin to westminster hall for her lying in state. this quotation includes troops from the life guards and blues and royals, the king's guard,
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the guard of honour and the bearer party from the first grenadier guards. all will march to the bands of the grenadier guards and scots guards. this will be the queen's final departure from where she witnessed the celebrations on ve day after the defeat of nazi germany in 1945 and where thisjune she acknowledged the crowds celebrating 70 years of her reign. we are seeing the marching detachments of the life guards and blues and royals. marching out through the gates of wellington barracks.
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and now the bearer party formed by the queens company 1st battalion, grenadier guards departs wellington barracks. these are the king's guard of honour. and these are from the king's guard of honour, the 1st battalion of the coldstream guards, the oldest continually serving regiment in the british army. her majesty had a special relationship with the grenadier guards as she was appointed colonel in chief on her 16th birthday. my colleaguejj chalmers is at wellington barracks. i am with lieutenant coloneljames shaw who is the brigade major. you have been your post for seven months
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now but i'd like to know what is yourjob today?— now but i'd like to know what is yourjob today? two rolls today, makin: yourjob today? two rolls today, making sure _ yourjob today? two rolls today, making sure the _ yourjob today? two rolls today, making sure the day _ yourjob today? two rolls today, making sure the day happens i yourjob today? two rolls today, making sure the day happens to| yourjob today? two rolls today, i making sure the day happens to plan, organising _ making sure the day happens to plan, organising all the details and secondly i will have the honour of marching — secondly i will have the honour of marching in the procession. ultimately, this is a ceremony that has been decades in the planning and many people will have been involved in that process, ultimately many could have stepped in to your role throughout the decades, but it has proudly fallen on your shoulders and the shoulders of those that you command. how are preparations to this point? command. how are preparations to this oint? ., ., , ., command. how are preparations to this oint? ., ., ., this point? preparations are going really well. _ this point? preparations are going really well, everybody _ this point? preparations are going really well, everybody is - this point? preparations are going really well, everybody is working | really well, everybody is working super _ really well, everybody is working super hard and we have done a number of rehearsals _ super hard and we have done a number of rehearsals and we are set and ready— of rehearsals and we are set and ready to — of rehearsals and we are set and ready to go. of rehearsals and we are set and ready to go-_ of rehearsals and we are set and ready to go. viewers at home will notice a change _ ready to go. viewers at home will notice a change in _ ready to go. viewers at home will notice a change in pace, - ready to go. viewers at home will notice a change in pace, it - ready to go. viewers at home will notice a change in pace, it is i ready to go. viewers at home will notice a change in pace, it is not. ready to go. viewers at home will| notice a change in pace, it is not a slow march, you are going up to 75 paces per minute, what is the significance of that? it paces per minute, what is the significance of that?— paces per minute, what is the significance of that? it means the procession _ significance of that? it means the procession moves _ significance of that? it means the procession moves with _ significance of that? it means the procession moves with the i significance of that? it means the i procession moves with the solemnity, dignity— procession moves with the solemnity, dignity and _ procession moves with the solemnity, dignity and almost look like we are gliding _ dignity and almost look like we are gliding along and it is the most dignified — gliding along and it is the most dignified way we can move her majesty— dignified way we can move her majesty to westminster hall. ultimately in my opinion there is no
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greater privilege to lead those in the armed forces. today, how proud will you be of those under your command? 50 will you be of those under your command?— will you be of those under your command? , ., ~' ., , command? so proud, i know everybody 'ust wants command? so proud, i know everybody just wants to — command? so proud, i know everybody just wants to give _ command? so proud, i know everybody just wants to give 100% _ command? so proud, i know everybody just wants to give 100% and _ just wants to give 100% and everybody in the armed forces just wants— everybody in the armed forces just wants to _ everybody in the armed forces just wants to be the best they can be today _ wants to be the best they can be toda . ., ~ wants to be the best they can be toda . . ,, i. wants to be the best they can be toda . . ~' ,. , wants to be the best they can be toda. . , . wants to be the best they can be toda. .~g , . , so we have the 1st battalion coldstream guards making their way across, and what a wonderful site it is, their tunics, across, and what a wonderful site it is, theirtunics, really across, and what a wonderful site it is, their tunics, really bright scarlet in the sunshine. on this day in mid—september. and of course, they are deeply proud of bearing their colour. it is the sovereign standard. now the commanding officer
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is lieutenant colonel frederick wells who, i understand, isjust 24, from west sussex, so it is quite a responsibility for a young officer. the colour has been draped in black in keeping with the full formality of the state occasion. they are ready for the formal procession to begin in a few minutes' time when the king's troop will bring the gun carriage which will air the queen's coffin all the way along the mall over to westminster hall. we are joined here in the studio, but we will still keep admiring these images. we arejoined by will still keep admiring these images. we are joined by william shawcross, the distinguished author and biographer of the queen mother,
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someone who has dealt very deeply into the royal archives, and who knows the history of the royal family as well as anyone. sir david attenborough is still with me. thank you forjoining us. it is me. thank you for “oining us. it is an honour. as i me. thank you for “oining us. it is an honour. as we i me. thank you forjoining us. it is an honour. as we admire - me. thank you forjoining us. it is an honour. as we admire these i me. thank you forjoining us. it is i an honour. as we admire these images and the full glory _ an honour. as we admire these images and the full glory of— an honour. as we admire these images and the full glory of the _ an honour. as we admire these images and the full glory of the state - and the full glory of the state occasion, it is solemn but it is something to be admired as well. {1371 something to be admired as well. of course. something to be admired as well. of course- what — something to be admired as well. of course. what are _ something to be admired as well. of course. what are your— something to be admired as well. of course. what are your thoughts i something to be admired as well. of course. what are your thoughts on i course. what are your thoughts on what the day _ course. what are your thoughts on what the day represents? - what the day represents? a whole week represents _ what the day represents? a whole week represents the love that the | week represents the love that the queen created in her own people. i think gratitude is a very important word for today and all of these days. she in her diamond jubilee, with typical modesty, said i'm very grateful to you for all you have done. now we asked the people are showing day after day and hour after hour the gratitude we have, correctly in my view, for the extraordinary service and love she
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has given this country. irate extraordinary service and love she has given this country.— has given this country. we are lookin: has given this country. we are looking up _ has given this country. we are looking up course _ has given this country. we are looking up course at _ has given this country. we are looking up course at the i has given this country. we are looking up course at the very l has given this country. we are i looking up course at the very close bond between the queen and the armed services, and there has been evident throughout the years from when she was a young princess, and especially so with the grenadier guards who are very prominent today, taking a prominent role. so there is that bond, there is the bond with the military, there is the bond with the people command so there are two bonds in evidence today because of course we have thousands of members of the public lining the mall and i expect these crowds will swell in the days to come. how is it, do you think, possible to properly reflect and to assess the contribution the queen made in 70 years of rule? that is a huge thing to take on, as you would know, someone who has had to condense lots of things into elegantly written books on these subjects, but how do you condense the contribution? irate subjects, but how do you condense the contribution?—
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the contribution? we feel it all around us. _ the contribution? we feel it all around us, this _ the contribution? we feel it all around us, this is _ the contribution? we feel it all around us, this is a _ the contribution? we feel it all| around us, this is a remarkable country, successful country. churchill said of her at the beginning of her reign, you are the splendid champion of our wise... the claiming champion of our wise and kindly way of life. that was a wonderful expression —— the gleaming champion. it was a wise and kindly way of life. to the extent that has continued can has, she with her wise and kindly service, and her christian service, which is a crucial part in the way she saw her life and the way she should represent herself and serve the country, as sir david will know many of her christmas broadcast deal very personally about her love of god and love of christ, and in the millennium broadcast in the year 2000 she said the birth ofjesus is the real millennium and she said christianity shows itself in this country in the good done quietly by millions of men and women day in and
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day out through the centuries. and for me the teaching of christ and my own personal accountability before god provide a framework in which i try to live my life. and she always did have that framework. she learned to pray as a child by her bed with her mother who always prayed by her bed throughout her life, and christianity was absolutely crucial to her. ~ ,, ., r' christianity was absolutely crucial to her_ . ,, ., 4, christianity was absolutely crucial to her. . ,, ., ., to her. when the queen ask you to write a biography _ to her. when the queen ask you to write a biography of _ to her. when the queen ask you to write a biography of her _ to her. when the queen ask you to write a biography of her mother, i to her. when the queen ask you to j write a biography of her mother, of the queen mother, how, i nearly said negotiation, how did that discussion go? it negotiation, how did that discussion ro? ., , , negotiation, how did that discussion no? . ,, , , negotiation, how did that discussion ro? ,, ., negotiation, how did that discussion go? it happened because of the bbc, actuall , go? it happened because of the bbc, actually, because _ go? it happened because of the bbc, actually, because 20 _ go? it happened because of the bbc, actually, because 20 years _ go? it happened because of the bbc, actually, because 20 years ago i i go? it happened because of the bbc, actually, because 20 years ago i did i actually, because 20 years ago i did actually, because 20 years ago i did a series of programmes called queen anne the goldenjubilee. and afterwards the queen mother died just before easter weekend of that year 2002 and the official biography had to be written and i spoke to people i knew at the palace. having
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done the series i would love my name to be considered. a year later i had letterfrom the palace to be considered. a year later i had letter from the palace saying the queen has asked me to invite you. it was the most wonderful thing that ever happened to me in my public life, apart from my family, of course. i spent the next six years in the royal archives reading all of these fantastic letters of the queen mother and her children and it was an absolutejoy. mother and her children and it was an absolute joy-— an absolute 'oy. thank you very much. the — an absolute joy. thank you very much. the procession - an absolute joy. thank you very much. the procession is - an absolute joy. thank you very much. the procession is about | an absolute joy. thank you very l much. the procession is about to an absolute joy. thank you very i much. the procession is about to get under way, let's much. the procession is about to get underway, let'sjoin much. the procession is about to get under way, let'sjoin fergal once under way, let's join fergal once again. wellington barracks now and the grenadier guards moving out towards buckingham palace. and now the gun carriage on which will be born in the coffin of her majesty the queen. thejudge gun was the coffin of her majesty the queen. the judge gun was used for the funeral ceremonies of her majesty's father george vi in 1952 and her mother queen elizabeth the queen mother 50 years later in 2002.
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palace. now we have the bands of the grenadier guards and the scots guards. they are led by tony williams, the director of music and officer commanding the scots guards band. they will be playing music from chopin, beethoven and felix mendelssohn who during the 19th century played three times for the royal family at buckingham palace. the senior drum major is sergeant neil brocklehurst who is a
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it isa it is a day when the sound, almost, of marching feet, of rolling wheels speaks more than the words. and the crowds here, as i discovered walking through them earlier, people gathered together, a very diverse group, thousands of people, with that sense of being part of something larger than themselves, one of these very rare moments in the life of the nation, when there is this sense of a national binding together. in grief, of course. but also ingratitude. young and old.
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we have the procession beginning to form and we caught a glimpse of some senior military figures arriving at the palace including the major general commanding the household division london district who was speaking to us yesterday about all the plans they had been making for many years for the events of today. and indeed the events leading up to the funeral itself. he will be accompanied by other senior colleagues who have had specific roles in preparing for today. the procession will get under way in a few minutes. sir david attenborough and william shawcross are with me. when people watch this afternoon and realise this is the queen's final departure from buckingham palace, making its way to westminster hall before the funeral and that the final committal at windsor, will the
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enormity of what is happening take a while to settle in? do you think that people are taking a while to actually realise what has happened in the course of the past week? i suppose so, but my sense is that they understand very well the enormity to use your word, of the occasion. and there is a mixture of practicality but also solemnity if not reverence. amongst the crowd. the interesting thing to me is if you are part of the crowd you somehow want to communicate and the only way you can communicate is that we have at our disposal, is applause and so i was rather shocked when the crowds were applauding and yet that
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is the only way in which they could say anything, communicate anything. it was inevitable. i say anything, communicate anything. it was inevitable.— it was inevitable. i mentioned that ou have it was inevitable. i mentioned that you have been _ it was inevitable. i mentioned that you have been in _ it was inevitable. i mentioned that you have been in charge _ it was inevitable. i mentioned that you have been in charge of- it was inevitable. i mentioned that i you have been in charge of christmas broadcasts but of course not the only broadcasts you made in terms of the queen and the queen's presence. the queen consort by the wayjust making her way to the palace. the queen consort and other female members of the family apart from the princess royal will be travelling to westminster hall by car. we will see the king and his brothers processing behind the gun carriage as it carries the coffin to westminster hall. i was asking about your experience of an effect working with her majesty on different forms of broadcast. and how you perceive to be in terms of her attitude to life and attitude to how the world was
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developing for good and for ill. how did she strike you as a person in terms of her engagement? titer? terms of her engagement? very ractical. terms of her engagement? very practical- she — terms of her engagement? very practical. she wanted _ terms of her engagement? very practical. she wanted to - terms of her engagement? - practical. she wanted to know the practicability of this, that on the other and why you actually did it or why you preferred it this way rather than that way. and that was really rather testing because if you had suggested something just off the top of your head and she would immediately explain and make it clear that perhaps that was not very bright! it was quite a formidable occasion but on the other hand she was extremely good at being practical and down to earth. and reverential, she did not require that, she required honesty and practicability, i think.
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that, she required honesty and practicability, ithink.— that, she required honesty and practicability, ithink. practicability, i think. we've seen the run practicability, i think. we've seen the gun carriage _ practicability, i think. we've seen the gun carriage going _ practicability, i think. we've seen the gun carriage going into i practicability, i think. we've seen the gun carriage going into the i the gun carriage going into the precincts of buckingham palace and shortly the coffin will emerge on the gun carriage and be taken over to westminster. of course the crowds are here wanting to enjoy the glory of the spectacle despite the solemnity of the occasion. sophie raworth can tell us more. it is solemnity of the occasion. sophie raworth can tell us more.- raworth can tell us more. it is so auiet out raworth can tell us more. it is so quiet out here. — raworth can tell us more. it is so quiet out here, so _ raworth can tell us more. it is so quiet out here, so still, - raworth can tell us more. it is so quiet out here, so still, eerily i raworth can tell us more. it is so| quiet out here, so still, eerily so. very dignified as well. there are thousands of people and you can hear hardly anything. among the people here in the crowds today are people who are from charities and organisations of which the queen was patron and i'm joined by yolanda clark from cruse bereavement support. you met the queen not that long ago, what was that like? so support. you met the queen not that long ago, what was that like? 50 i long ago, what was that like? so i met the queen _ long ago, what was that like? so i
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met the queen at _ long ago, what was that like? sol met the queen at the cruse bereavement support 60th anniversary at st james's palace and we had a at stjames's palace and we had a lovely— at st james's palace and we had a lovely reception to say thank you to many— lovely reception to say thank you to many of— lovely reception to say thank you to many of the volunteers who support the charity — many of the volunteers who support the charity. i met the queen and was presented _ the charity. i met the queen and was presented to her and before she came in the _ presented to her and before she came in the room _ presented to her and before she came in the room i— presented to her and before she came in the room i could smell her perfume _ in the room i could smell her perfume which was the same as my mother's— perfume which was the same as my mother's perfume so that threw me off and _ mother's perfume so that threw me off and made me nervous. when i met her i off and made me nervous. when i met her i called _ off and made me nervous. when i met her i called her your maj by accident! _ her i called her your maj by accident! but she had that warm smile _ accident! but she had that warm smile she — accident! but she had that warm smile. she was so compassionate and made _ smile. she was so compassionate and made me _ smile. she was so compassionate and made me feel i was the only person in the _ made me feel i was the only person in the room — made me feel i was the only person in the room. in made me feel i was the only person in the room-— in the room. in the work your charity does _ in the room. in the work your charity does is _ in the room. in the work your charity does is all— in the room. in the work your charity does is all about i in the room. in the work your- charity does is all about supporting people dealing with grief. everyone struck by the reaction that people are having to the queen's death and some people surprised atjust how emotional they feel. aiiirieif
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some people surprised at 'ust how emotional they feel._ some people surprised at 'ust how emotional they feel. grief hits you, we cannot tell _ emotional they feel. grief hits you, we cannot tell you _ emotional they feel. grief hits you, we cannot tell you how _ emotional they feel. grief hits you, we cannot tell you how you're - emotional they feel. grief hits you, | we cannot tell you how you're going to grieve, _ we cannot tell you how you're going to grieve, it— we cannot tell you how you're going to grieve, it hits in surprising ways — to grieve, it hits in surprising ways i— to grieve, it hits in surprising ways. i liken it to materials going through— ways. i liken it to materials going through the terrible twos and does not know _ through the terrible twos and does not know how to manage their emotion. _ not know how to manage their emotion, that is how grief feels like and — emotion, that is how grief feels like and it— emotion, that is how grief feels like and it can bring up a multitude of emotions. people may cry, go quiet. _ of emotions. people may cry, go quiet, many reactions to grief that people _ quiet, many reactions to grief that people sometimes do not realise is grief _ people sometimes do not realise is arief. �* , ., . people sometimes do not realise is arief. �* ., ., ~ people sometimes do not realise is arief. �* y., ., ., ~ ., grief. and you have to think about the r0 al grief. and you have to think about the royal family _ grief. and you have to think about the royal family right _ grief. and you have to think about the royal family right now- grief. and you have to think about the royal family right now inside| the royal family right now inside buckingham palace getting ready to leave the palace with the queen scoffing for the last time and that is a family going through that grief in a very public way. —— the queen's coffin. in a very public way. -- the queen's coffin. ~ .,, in a very public way. -- the queen's coffin. m, ., , ., in a very public way. -- the queen's coffin. ~.,, ., , ., ., in a very public way. -- the queen's coffin. ~ ., , ., ., ., coffin. most of us get to do our mourning _ coffin. most of us get to do our mourning in — coffin. most of us get to do our mourning in private _ coffin. most of us get to do our mourning in private but - coffin. most of us get to do our mourning in private but they i coffin. most of us get to do our i mourning in private but they have coffin. most of us get to do our - mourning in private but they have to take into _ mourning in private but they have to take into account the nation and cannot_ take into account the nation and cannot grieve the way they want to and they— cannot grieve the way they want to and they are doing it in such a dignified — and they are doing it in such a dignified way and at this moment they need a lot of compassion and
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understanding. grief may even hit them _ understanding. grief may even hit lhem later— understanding. grief may even hit them later on because at the moment they're _ them later on because at the moment they're so_ them later on because at the moment they're so busy with the king going through— they're so busy with the king going through transition and even within the royal— through transition and even within the royal family there are different titles, _ the royal family there are different titles, movement of residences so i do not _ titles, movement of residences so i do not think— titles, movement of residences so i do not think the grief has hit the net. �* , . ~ , do not think the grief has hit the net.�* , ., net. i'm struck by the atmosphere here, ou net. i'm struck by the atmosphere here. you can _ net. i'm struck by the atmosphere here, you can hear— net. i'm struck by the atmosphere here, you can hear the _ net. i'm struck by the atmosphere here, you can hear the birds- here, you can hear the birds chipping and there are tens of thousands of people and it is so still. it thousands of people and it is so still. , , ., ., , ., still. it is still and that is a reflection _ still. it is still and that is a reflection of _ still. it is still and that is a reflection of the _ still. it is still and that is a reflection of the respect i still. it is still and that is a - reflection of the respect people have _ reflection of the respect people have for— reflection of the respect people have for her majesty the queen and the queen— have for her majesty the queen and the queen herself was dignified and quiet _ the queen herself was dignified and quiet so— the queen herself was dignified and quiet. so it is fitting that the people — quiet. so it is fitting that the people that have come i showing her that respect in that way.— that respect in that way. yolanda clark, thank _ that respect in that way. yolanda clark, thank you _ that respect in that way. yolanda clark, thank you so _ that respect in that way. yolanda clark, thank you so much. - themes that we are familiar with of interest and engagement and dedication to good causes. we will be speaking to more people of course who are lining the mall in a short
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while. head of the carriage procession itself which is due to begin within an hour. there are lots of preparations now to be made inside the palace ready for the formality of the procession itself to westminster. here in the studio i'm pleased to say we have new guestsjoining us, distinguished guests. sally osman who was director of communications at buckingham palace and who knows the family and the system very well. and another who knows the queen and who knows the family well businessman and philanthropist sir ken olisa. sally, you have a special vantage point today because you know what goes on in terms of family response to big events and this event is clearly bigger than any that we have dealt with in the past and even bigger
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than the funeral of the queen mother which was a very big event. i'm just wondering what is your sense of how they are responding to it given what we've seen in recent days? i they are responding to it given what we've seen in recent days?- we've seen in recent days? i would sa that we've seen in recent days? i would say that they _ we've seen in recent days? i would say that they are _ we've seen in recent days? i would say that they are responding - we've seen in recent days? i would say that they are responding in - we've seen in recent days? i would say that they are responding in the very immaculately professional weight you would expect of everyone involved in all of this including the bbc and other broadcasters, might i say. we walked through these plans are not over the years but i think everyone is responding well. it is emotionalfor think everyone is responding well. it is emotional for me to sit here because right behind us is my office where royal communications are communicating with the world. so they are responding as you would expect and to the highest level that the queen would have expected as well. ~ . , ,. the queen would have expected as well. ~ . , , , ., ,, well. what is your sense today, sir ken olisa of _ well. what is your sense today, sir ken olisa of what _ well. what is your sense today, sir ken olisa of what the _ well. what is your sense today, sir ken olisa of what the queen - ken olisa of what the queen contributed and was able to do not least in the field of charities where she was the patron of so many and president of others and was able
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to land and president of others and was able to [and her authority to so many good causes. that is something that we should reflect on today? {line we should reflect on today? one ureat we should reflect on today? one great thing _ we should reflect on today? one great thing about _ we should reflect on today? one great thing about this country is the charity sector and i speak the sum prejudice being present of some charities but we could see that during — charities but we could see that during the pandemic that charities rose up— during the pandemic that charities rose up to — during the pandemic that charities rose up to solve the problems of communities and the queen knew that and she _ communities and the queen knew that and she knew that by amplifying their— and she knew that by amplifying their work and sprinkling that bit of pixie — their work and sprinkling that bit of pixie dust that they would be encouraged and enthused and of course _ encouraged and enthused and of course rewarded. the queen's award for voluntary — course rewarded. the queen's award for voluntary service is the equivalent of a national honour so clearly— equivalent of a national honour so clearly it— equivalent of a national honour so clearly it was very important and notjust— clearly it was very important and not just wallpaper and patronage clearly it was very important and notjust wallpaper and patronage but very much— notjust wallpaper and patronage but very much being involved. when notjust wallpaper and patronage but very much being involved.— very much being involved. when we talk about involvement _ very much being involved. when we talk about involvement we - very much being involved. when we talk about involvement we do - very much being involved. when we talk about involvement we do not i talk about involvement we do not just mean the odd visit you're there, in terms of many of these causes what people been telling us is that they had repeat visits, offers of support, practical measures that were offered way
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beyond just using the name on a letterhead. is beyond just using the name on a letterhead-— letterhead. is that right? totally riaht letterhead. is that right? totally ri . ht and letterhead. is that right? totally right and to _ letterhead. is that right? totally right and to give _ letterhead. is that right? totally right and to give an _ letterhead. is that right? totally right and to give an example - letterhead. is that right? totally right and to give an example we | letterhead. is that right? totally - right and to give an example we run a little _ right and to give an example we run a little project in london where i lord _ a little project in london where i lord lieutenant for small faith -based — lord lieutenant for small faith —based charities and the palace heard _ —based charities and the palace heard about it and asked how it had gone _ heard about it and asked how it had gone and _ heard about it and asked how it had gone and the queen organised an enormous — gone and the queen organised an enormous reception in buckingham palace _ enormous reception in buckingham palace for— enormous reception in buckingham palace for faith —based charities for the — palace for faith —based charities for the whole country but all little ones: _ for the whole country but all little ones. a _ for the whole country but all little ones, a church here, a muslim charity— ones, a church here, a muslim charity there, jewish charity. and as we _ charity there, jewish charity. and as we stood in the line—up her majesty— as we stood in the line—up her majesty said just listen to everybody chopping out there, just the joy— everybody chopping out there, just the joy of— everybody chopping out there, just the joy of being recognised for these — the joy of being recognised for these little charities was classic of what — these little charities was classic of what she stood for. and these little charities was classic of what she stood for.— these little charities was classic of what she stood for. and in terms of what she stood for. and in terms of our of what she stood for. and in terms of your work _ of what she stood for. and in terms of your work over _ of what she stood for. and in terms of your work over there _ of what she stood for. and in terms of your work over there in - of what she stood for. and in terms of your work over there in that - of your work over there in that office, sally, how much of that work to do with her public activity was to do with her public activity was to do with helping charitable
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organisations? it to do with helping charitable organisations?— to do with helping charitable organisations? to do with helping charitable oruanisations? . , , , ., organisations? it was essential, the monarch , organisations? it was essential, the monarchy. their— organisations? it was essential, the monarchy, their work _ organisations? it was essential, the monarchy, their work with - organisations? it was essential, the monarchy, their work with charities | monarchy, their work with charities such an important part of the soft power in terms of uniting the nation in so many ways. and these small charities and big national charities that go from sovereign to sovereign but also those charities that reflect the rest of national life, the queen's award for enterprise, the queen's award for enterprise, the queen's award for enterprise, the queen's anniversary awards for higher education, all critical in terms of the work of the monarchy and in terms of the royal family every generation will do it slightly differently as well and that stretches back generations. if differently as well and that stretches back generations. if you have been involved _ stretches back generations. if you have been involved as _ stretches back generations. if you have been involved as a _ stretches back generations. if you have been involved as a small - have been involved as a small charity— have been involved as a small charity with these exercises than the chance to meet a number of the royal— the chance to meet a number of the royal family is something you'll remember forever and tell people about— remember forever and tell people about and — remember forever and tell people about and it reinforces the dna of the nation — about and it reinforces the dna of the nation. we about and it reinforces the dna of the nation. ~ , ., about and it reinforces the dna of the nation-— about and it reinforces the dna of the nation. we pause for a second because we _ the nation. we pause for a second because we have _ the nation. we pause for a second because we have the _ the nation. we pause for a second because we have the tri-service i because we have the tri—service guard of honour forming because we have the tri—service guard of honourforming up in wellington barracks and we have the
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and this is part of the tri—service guard of honour that will form in parliament square. the royal navy with the kings colour of the fleet and soldiers from the 1st battalion grenadier guards with the kings colour and the royal air force with the kings colour. so the tri—service guard of honour and they will be marching off fairly soon to take up their positions on the eastern side of parliament square ready for the procession when it arrives from whitehall and makes its way to westminster hall. over at the palace of westminster, which is bathed in sunshine this afternoon, a very nice contrast to yesterday, there we have the
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elizabeth tower named in memory of course of her majesty, and the big bell course of her majesty, and the big hell of big ben which will be tolling during every minute of the procession today and westminster hall in the shadows on the right—hand side, the oldest part of the palace of westminster. my colleague petroc trelawny is there. the elizabeth tower, renamed for queen elizabeth ii to marco diamond jubilee ten years ago. the clock face of big ben, the newly restored clock face of big ben, its rich gilding clothing in this glorious afternoon sunshine, setting off perfectly with the blue skies above london. at the exact moment that the procession bearing her late majesty's coffin sets off from buckingham palace, the bell will start to toll here and it will ring out every minute until the cortege arrives at the palace of westminster. westminster hall
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itself, nearlyiooo westminster. westminster hall itself, nearly 1000 years old. for much of yesterday it was filled with soldiers, choristers, heralds, parliamentary officials and members of royal bodyguards established under tudor monarchs, all preparing in minute detailfor this moment. the queen's mother and father both lay in state here inside these walls, and soon her coffin will rest on a catafalque draped in purple cloth. this is a highly symbolic occasion, the moment that the coffin becomes the responsibility of the earl martial and passes from the care of the royal household to the state. after the procession arrives there will be a short service led by there will be a short service led by the archbishop of canterbury and sung by the choirs of the chatham royal and westminster abbey. then the first vigil will be mounted by the first vigil will be mounted by the household cavalry, the gentlemen at arms and the yeomen of the guard,
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the first of 20 watches, each one lasting six hours, watches that will run continuously until monday morning when the coffin will be carried across parliament square to westminster abbey for the funeral service. this afternoon once the royal party has left, the whole will close briefly and, allowing the public the chance to file past the coffin and pay their final respects. and now the king's troop royal horse artillery are deploying in hyde park from where they will fire the minute guns. every minute to remember, to draw the capital to attention.
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band strikes up. and here at wellington barracks soldiers, sailors and airmen, tri—service guard of honour, now depart for parliament square. the band of the royal marines led by lieutenant coloneljason bateman, lieutenant colonel jason bateman, principal lieutenant coloneljason bateman, principal director of music of the royal marines.
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——jason —— jason burcham. ——jason burcham. the —— jason burcham. the soldiers, sailors and airmen will not be part of the formalfuneral sailors and airmen will not be part of the formal funeral cortege because they are going ahead to parliament square. they will be ready in position to receive the cortege when it arrives. this reminds us of course that beyond her relationship with the troops of the household division, the queen was commander—in—chief of the queen was commander—in—chief of the entire armed forces.
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by the royal marines band, we are in a position to see just the corner of horse guards avenue and birdcage walk as the tri—service guard of honour makes its way to parliament square. they will be providing the king's guard in parliament square ready for the procession when it arrives at the palace of westminster. as we look at these images, and as we see all the expectant faces in the crowds, all along the mall, the crowds swelling with every minute, my guests are still with me, sir ken olisa and sally osman. as we look at this, sally, everyone here in the crowd acutely aware that it's been a great burden placed on the king's shoulders now, but after a very long apprenticeship, a record period as ince of wales, he is now king charles iii, lots of people very impressed with the way he has stepped up and the eloquence with which he has spoken in recent days.
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how does the palace, because you will know this better than anyone, how does the palace manage that transition and all of the different things the king may well want to do, the different ways in which he may want to operate? how is that being managed? it’s want to operate? how is that being manaaed? �* . . want to operate? how is that being manaaed? �* , , ,, managed? it's interesting, the queen made a nice — managed? it's interesting, the queen made a nice speech _ managed? it's interesting, the queen made a nice speech on _ managed? it's interesting, the queen made a nice speech on his _ managed? it's interesting, the queen made a nice speech on his 70th - made a nice speech on his 70th birthday calling him the duchy original but he is very much his own man. and he will be his own man. but as we have seen over the last few days, the machinery of monarchy keeps ticking, and he will pick up those duties. i wouldn't call it a burden, necessarily. it is a different kind of duty. he's spent his entire life too serving people, being dutiful, etc. this isjust a different way of doing it now in terms of now holding the role of monarch. haste terms of now holding the role of monarch. ~ . , ., ., ~' terms of now holding the role of monarch. ~ . , ., monarch. we are 'ust looking at the crowds. rhis — monarch. we are 'ust looking at the crowds. this is _ monarch. we are just looking at the crowds. this is an _ monarch. we are just looking at the crowds. this is an interesting - monarch. we are just looking at the crowds. this is an interesting site, | crowds. this is an interesting site, these are the staff of clarence house who have turned out for this
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procession today. clarence house, of course, a home which has had again strong links with the late queen and the late duke of edinburgh, and indeed prince charles. band the late duke of edinburgh, and indeed prince charles. and indeed the queen mother— indeed prince charles. and indeed the queen mother as _ indeed prince charles. and indeed the queen mother as well. - indeed prince charles. and indeed the queen mother as well. it - indeed prince charles. and indeed the queen mother as well. it is i indeed prince charles. and indeed i the queen mother as well. it is very different and i'm not quite sure what the practicalities will be in terms of who stays where. but these people have worked with the king for many years and there will be a lot of affection there, as they will befall the people in buckingham palace who have worked with the queen so closely. they will be feeling this very keenly. it is queen so closely. they will be feeling this very keenly. it is may be one thing _ feeling this very keenly. it is may be one thing we _ feeling this very keenly. it is may be one thing we have _ feeling this very keenly. it is may be one thing we have not - feeling this very keenly. it is may. be one thing we have not reflected enough on, to be honest, which is to do with the kind of impact this will have had on staff who have had, in some cases, a lifelong record of service to the queen. some of them surely will stay on, but some clearly will feel that, as the queen has left us, it is may be time for
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them too to move on, it is a difficult time. it them too to move on, it is a difficult time.— difficult time. it is a difficult time and — difficult time. it is a difficult time and those _ difficult time. it is a difficult time and those decisions i difficult time. it is a difficult| time and those decisions will difficult time. it is a difficult i time and those decisions will have to be made. the people i keep thinking about are the ladies in waiting, who have been such a constant in the queen's life, alongside her personal care pages and angela kelly, the queen's personal dresser and assistant. these people who have lived with her and seen the private side of the queen as much as the public side. anybody who has been involved in the household at any time is feeling this quite personally.— household at any time is feeling this quite personally. talking about the ublic this quite personally. talking about the public side, _ this quite personally. talking about the public side, and _ this quite personally. talking about the public side, and as _ this quite personally. talking about the public side, and as lord - the public side, and as lord lieutenant of london, of all places, you will have had your regular contact, you will know exactly what this relationship is about. the lord lieutenant c in itself is a role that lots of people may not quite get what it involves. how would you explain it? the get what it involves. how would you exlain it? . ., get what it involves. how would you exlain it? . . , explain it? the challenge with it is it is a relatively _ explain it? the challenge with it is it is a relatively modern _ it is a relatively modern institution in our country, it was king _ institution in our country, it was king henry— institution in our country, it was
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king henry viii who established the role of— king henry viii who established the role of lord lieutenant so we are only 500 — role of lord lieutenant so we are only 500 years into it, and his brief— only 500 years into it, and his brief was _ only 500 years into it, and his brief was to uphold the dignity of the monarchy in each county, which meant _ the monarchy in each county, which meant in _ the monarchy in each county, which meant in those days quelling riots and raising — meant in those days quelling riots and raising the army, so it wasn't till the _ and raising the army, so it wasn't till the 20th century that the lord lieutenant would raise the county army. _ lieutenant would raise the county army. for— lieutenant would raise the county army, for example. we have moved a [on- army, for example. we have moved a long way— army, for example. we have moved a long way on— army, for example. we have moved a long way on now, quelling riots is done _ long way on now, quelling riots is done by— long way on now, quelling riots is done by the police can meet let alone _ done by the police can meet let alone how— done by the police can meet let alone how we recruit people to the army. _ alone how we recruit people to the army, which is irrelevant today. but our task— army, which is irrelevant today. but our task remains the same, to seek ways— our task remains the same, to seek ways in— our task remains the same, to seek ways in each— our task remains the same, to seek ways in each county, there are 98 of us, ways in each county, there are 98 of us. to— ways in each county, there are 98 of us, to uphold the dignity of the monarchy. _ us, to uphold the dignity of the monarchy, that means taking the objectives, the value of the monarchy and amplifying them in every— monarchy and amplifying them in every way— monarchy and amplifying them in every way we can, supporting charities. _ every way we can, supporting charities, supporting the military, supporting the population, building bridges _ supporting the population, building bridges that her majesty were so strong _ bridges that her majesty were so strong on — bridges that her majesty were so strong on looking for the good things— strong on looking for the good things in— strong on looking for the good things in people and then amplifying them rather than looking for the divisions — them rather than looking for the divisions. my 97 colleagues and i are focused very much on doing that on the _ are focused very much on doing that on the ground. we
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are focused very much on doing that on the ground-— on the ground. we talked of transition _ on the ground. we talked of transition with _ on the ground. we talked of transition with sally, - on the ground. we talked of transition with sally, the i transition with sally, the transition with sally, the transition from prince charles to king charles iii in the way that relationship will change, how do you foresee that? i relationship will change, how do you foresee that?— foresee that? i shall be getting new instructions clearly _ foresee that? i shall be getting new instructions clearly on _ foresee that? i shall be getting new instructions clearly on what - foresee that? i shall be getting new instructions clearly on what i'm i instructions clearly on what i'm required — instructions clearly on what i'm required to do, and i'm sure some things— required to do, and i'm sure some things will— required to do, and i'm sure some things will change, but isn't the most _ things will change, but isn't the most wonderful reaction to what we are seeing _ most wonderful reaction to what we are seeing at the moment is so little _ are seeing at the moment is so little actually changes? the continuity in our lives, seeing the in their— continuity in our lives, seeing the in theirtabard is continuity in our lives, seeing the in their tabard is the day, somebody once said _ in their tabard is the day, somebody once said it— in their tabard is the day, somebody once said it was like a theme park. no, once said it was like a theme park. no. it— once said it was like a theme park. no. it is— once said it was like a theme park. no. it is not. — once said it was like a theme park. no, it is not, it is the embodiment of our— no, it is not, it is the embodiment of our dna— no, it is not, it is the embodiment of our dna and values of the nation. seeing _ of our dna and values of the nation. seeing people celebrating here at the concert and the pageant, it was a saying _ the concert and the pageant, it was a saying well done for what we believe — a saying well done for what we believe in _ a saying well done for what we believe in and seeing people working so hard _ believe in and seeing people working so hard in _ believe in and seeing people working so hard in the pandemic to help each other— so hard in the pandemic to help each other out— so hard in the pandemic to help each other out was an embodiment of that. of course _ other out was an embodiment of that. of course there will be some changes but i'm _ of course there will be some changes but i'm very— of course there will be some changes but i'm very confident the sweep of history— but i'm very confident the sweep of history will— but i'm very confident the sweep of history will continue. do but i'm very confident the sweep of history will continue.— history will continue. do you share that confidence? _ history will continue. do you share that confidence? absolutely i history will continue. do you share that confidence? absolutely and i history will continue. do you share i that confidence? absolutely and the word continuity _ that confidence? absolutely and the word continuity is _ that confidence? absolutely and the word continuity is so _ that confidence? absolutely and the word continuity is so important i that confidence? absolutely and the word continuity is so important in i
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word continuity is so important in terms of it being seamless from monarch to monarch even though the world around us is changing, their values and purpose are critical and that continues in terms of serving the people. indie that continues in terms of serving the people-— that continues in terms of serving the --eole. ~ , , , ., the people. we must be the envy of the people. we must be the envy of the world. the people. we must be the envy of the world- just _ the people. we must be the envy of the world. just see _ the people. we must be the envy of the world. just see what _ the people. we must be the envy of the world. just see what has - the world. just see what has happened, the head of state has changed. — happened, the head of state has changed, the prime minister has changed. — changed, the prime minister has changed, not a shot fired, not a window— changed, not a shot fired, not a window broken, not a riot on the street _ window broken, not a riot on the street we — window broken, not a riot on the street. we have just moved it through _ street. we have just moved it through. how many countries in the world _ through. how many countries in the world can _ through. how many countries in the world can claim to have managed this kind of— world can claim to have managed this kind of transition as well as we have? — kind of transition as well as we have? . ., ., kind of transition as well as we have? ,., ., ., kind of transition as well as we have? , ., , ,., kind of transition as well as we have? ., , ., ,, have? good to see both, thank you for coming — have? good to see both, thank you for coming in- _ have? good to see both, thank you for coming in. sally _ have? good to see both, thank you for coming in. sally and _ have? good to see both, thank you for coming in. sally and sir- have? good to see both, thank you for coming in. sally and sir ken i for coming in. sally and sir ken olisa, thank you. over the past six days, as we have mentioned, the king has been offering his own tributes, very moving tributes, to his late mother talking of her dedication, her devotion sovereign, which never wavered, he said through times of change and progress, three times of joy change and progress, three times of joy and celebration, times of sadness and loss. those were the king's words. and all the tributes we have had, underlying all of them,
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even the most formal, they have the sense of a devoted son in charles�*s case paying tribute to his mother. i case paying tribute to his mother. i do have very happy memories of childhood. such incredibly jolly such incrediblyjolly games here, at clarence house, because we used to live here. upstairs at the top of the house in the nursery, i remember we used to have lots of laughs. i would sometimes make her laugh anyway, which was always veryjolly. i shall never forget, when we were small, having a bath and she came in practising wearing crown before the coronation, although sort of marvellous moments. i went to part
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of the coronation. the sheer length of her reign has been a remarkable achievement in itself. to maintain that degree of involvement and dedication and effort over so many years. i think the act of being there and being a continuing reference point of stability and reassurance is something i think is of the greatest importance. i think that is what she has done which is truly remarkable.
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she was always there and i could talk to her about this, that all the other. and that has always been something i think that it would be very difficult not to have, if you know what i mean. all those memories i hope will keep me going. i was very lucky to have her as a mother. such warmth in the tributes there and genuine warmth which came across. and of course we have heard the public tributes to the queen from the then prince of wales but of
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course it is a different matter privately and what you got there was a sense of his affection and love for his mother which is a lovely thing to see. buckingham palace right now we have the grand figure of the drum major saluting and ready for the procession to get under way in a few minutes. i have beenjoined by sir david attenborough and robert hardman the author and journalist at the daily mail. thank you for joining us. very warm tributes and just the love and affection in the words of the new king when he spoke last week after the queen's staff were very apparent. what kind of kin will he make do you think, sir
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david? , .., ., , ., ,., will he make do you think, sir david? , .., ., , ., y., ., david? they could not be anyone who has thou . ht david? they could not be anyone who has thought about _ david? they could not be anyone who has thought about it _ david? they could not be anyone who has thought about it more _ david? they could not be anyone who has thought about it more and - david? they could not be anyone who has thought about it more and more i has thought about it more and more deeply than he. from my point of view of course and the point of view of relationships with the natural world and concern about the natural world, he has been at the forefront. and took quite extreme lines when they were not as popular or widespread as they are now. the question of talking to the plants come at the time it was joked about but actually now you realise that came from his heart. he really meant it. and it could not be more important now than it has ever been. we are approaching the moment when the procession is going to begin. we have the great formality and
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symmetry of the military providing the guard of honour. at buckingham palace. and the royal standard flying signalling that the king is there, king charles iii, who will be part of this procession and following on foot with other members of the family. it will be a solemn moment when of course they followed the procession all the way to westminster hall. let's join the procession all the way to westminster hall. let'sjoin fergal keane. soon we expect the coffin to emerge from buckingham palace. the bearer party has carried the coffin led by the sovereign's paper through the marble hall and the grant hall. and from there it will be taken by the guard of honour to the gun carriage. already in the bow room the crown jewel has placed the imperial state
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crown on the coffin and the royal florist has placed a fresh wreath of flowers. this wreath of flowers has included a selection of foliage including pine from the guidance of pommel and lavender and rosemary from the gardens at windsor. —— from the gardens at windsor. —— from the gardens of balmoral. stillness now before that moment when the crowds will see for the first time the coffin moving, leaving buckingham palace for the last time.
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atime to a time to reflect on what the queen meant to so many and thinking of the voices outside windsor castle last thursdayjust voices outside windsor castle last thursday just as the flag came voices outside windsor castle last thursdayjust as the flag came to how fast and it dawned on people that she had died. one young man, a neighbour as he put it in windsor told me she was a guiding light and a lesson in how to behave. how to be. band strike up.
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following the coffin as it leaves buckingham palace king charles and senior members of the royal family. the king wearing the ceremonial uniform with the rank of field marshal and carrying the field marshal and carrying the field marshal baton presented to him by the queen when he became field marshal in 2012.
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drum. ., �* �* ., drum. the ringing of big ben and the minute guns- — drum. the ringing of big ben and the minute guns. the _ drum. the ringing of big ben and the minute guns. the sounds _ drum. the ringing of big ben and the minute guns. the sounds echoing i minute guns. the sounds echoing across the capital. big ben chimes minute guns salute
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# thou art about my path, and about my bed # and spiest out all my ways # for lo, there is not a word in my tongue but thou, o lord the in my tongue but thou, o lord bearer party, eight from the bearer party, eight soldiers from the queen's company the 1st battalion, grenadier guards, eight young men charged with this most public of duties. and from within westminster hall comes to the sounds of the choirs of the chapel royal and westminster abbey singing a setting of psalm 139, o lord thou hast searched me out and know me and knowest my down sitting pricing, sung 20 years ago as the coffin of queen elizabeth the queen mother was carried into this hole. hall.
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# if i take the wings of the morning and remain # in the uttermost parts of the sea # even there also shall thy hand lead me # and thy right hand shall hold me # if i say, peradventure the darkness shall cover me # then shall my night he turned to day # yea, the darkness is no darkness with thee # but the night is as clear as the day # the darkness and light to thee are both alike
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# for my reins are thine # thou hast covered me in my mother's womb # i will give thanks unto thee, for i am fearfully # and wonderfully made # marvellous are thy works, and that my soul knoweth right well # my bones are not hid from thee # though i be made secretly, and fashioned beneath in the earth # thine eyes did see my substance # yet being unperfect # and in thy book were all my members written # which day by day were fashioned
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# when as yet there was none of them # how dear are thy counsels unto me, o god # 0 how great is the sum of them! # if i tell them, they are more in number than the sand # when i wake up i am present with thee # try me, o god, and seek the ground of my heart # prove me, and examine my thoughts # look well if there be any way of wickedness in me # and lead me in the way everlasting
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# glory be to the father, and to the son and to the holy ghost # as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be # world without end # amen. # o god, the maker and redeemer of all believers; grant us, of all mankind; grant us, with thy servant queen elizabeth, and all the faithful departed, the sure benefits of thy son's
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saving passion and glorious resurrection; that in the last day, when all things are gathered up in christ, we may with them enjoy the fullness of thy promises; throuthesus christ our lord. amen. let not your heart be troubled. ye believe in god, believe also in me. in my father's house are many mansions. if it were not so, i would have told you i got to to prepare a place for you and if i go and prepare a place for you, i will come again and receive you unto myself, that where i am, there ye may be also.
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and whither i go ye know. thomas said to him, lord, we know not whither thou goest. how can we know the way? jesus said to him, i am the way, and the truth, and the life. no one cometh unto the father but by me. 0 merciful god, the father of our lord jesus christ, who is the resurrection and the life; in whom whosoever believeth shall live, though he die; and whosoever liveth and believeth in him shall not die eternally; who also hath taught us
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by his holy apostle saint paul not to be sorry, as men without hope, for them that sleep in him: we meekly beseech thee, 0 father, to raise us from the death of sin unto the life of righteousness that, when we shall depart this life, we may rest in him, as our hope is that our sister doth, and that, at the general resurrection in the last day, we may be found acceptable in thy sight, and receive that blessing, which thy well—beloved son shall then pronounce to all that love and fearthee, saying, come, ye blessed children of my father, receive the kingdom prepared for you from the beginning of the world: grant this, we beseech thee, 0 merciful father, throuthesus christ, our mediator and redeemer. amen.
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as our saviour christ hath commanded and taught us, we are hold to say: our father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: for thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, forever and ever. amen. # jesus, the very thought of thee.
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o god, the protector of all who trust in thee, without whom nothing is strong, nothing is holy: increase and multiply upon us thy mercy; that, thou being our ruler and guide, we may so pass through things temporal, that we finally lose not things eternal. grant this, 0 heavenly father, forjesus christ's sake. amen. unto god's gracious mercy and protection we commit you: the lord bless you and keep you: the lord make his
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face to shine upon you and be gracious unto you: the lord lift up the light of his countenance upon you and give you peace: and the blessing of god almighty, the father, the son, and the holy spirit, be among you and remain with you always. amen. the service led by the archbishop of canterburyjustin welby and dean of westminster doctor david hoyle. the choir of the chapel royal in the choir of the chapel royal in the choir of the chapel royal in the choir of westminster abbey conducted by james choir of westminster abbey conducted byjames o'donnell and it was his setting of the sun that we heard as the coffin was carried in some 139,
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inspired by the orthodox service for the dad. and the cross of westminster placed at the head of the coffin. the cross was a gift to the abbey a century ago and barry is a latin inscription, nation shall not lift up inscription, nation shall not lift up sword against nation neither shall they learn war any more.
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the colour royal standard of queen's company 1st battalion video guides. the standard presented to the guides by the sovereign on commencement of the rain, not changed or replaced and since then and only paraded in the presence of the sovereign. for the presence of the sovereign. for the last time it is lowered in solemn salute to the queen from her
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company and her grenadier guards. six feet of heavily embroidered silk. a thing to manoeuvre gently into position. the guardsmen who served in the queen's company fondly known as members of the monarch's mob. several of the guardsman returned on friday from service in iraq called back to do their duty.
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the bodyguard established in 1509 by henry viii wearing the uniform of the heavy dragoons officer of the 18405 with their helmets with white feather plumes. four officers from the household cavalry, the life guards with white plumes on their helmets and the blues and royals with red plumes. they take their positions on the corner of the catafalque. a double tap from the stick of the officer of the watch commanding the procedure
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two remind you after this moment in westminster hall the building will be closed for approximately an hour and then the first members of the public many of whom have been queueing up already for several nights will be allowed in to file past the coffin. inside the heralds, the king of arms heralds, pursuivants. heralds of scotland and england, the ulster king of arms who was reading the proclamation at hillsborough castle at the weekend.
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members of the armed forces come forward to pay their respects to their chief. the westminster cross, imperial state crown resting on a cushion, bouquet of flowers, including flowers from balmoral, windsor, and the royal standard rests on top of the royal standard rests on top of the coffin with its four quarterings, england, three lines, one for scotland, lion rampant, one
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carried her majesty the queen into westminster hall today the royal bearer party carefully chosen from the eight tallest men in queen's company, 1st battalion, grenadier guards. a grey morning in london, but now the sun pours through the windows of westminster hall. and this great active ceremony, of pageant, of
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military precision, but which is at the same time deeply moving for all involved. many people, i'm sure you will have spotted too wiping a tear from their eye this afternoon. the westminster cross made from ivory and silvergilt adorned with panels of sapphire and the grenadier guards men, their duty to the queen done.
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monday morning when we heard addresses from both speakers, the house of commons and the house of lords, passing condolence, but also reminding the new king of his responsibilities to ensure the freedom and happiness of his subjects. another tap of the stick. whether in the middle of the night or in the midday sun, these bodyguards and officers prepare to
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questioned. the heralds. three of whom read the proclamations i mentioned, the ulster king of arms reading the proclamation at hillsborough castle. and also at edinburgh and the royal exchange in the city of london after the principal proclamation on saturday. the choristers from the chapel royal and choir of westminster abbey. the
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chapel royal choristers in red and gold. and the man of the chapel royal wearing the distinctive white bow ties. the choristers now return to the choir school at westminster abbey where they will prepare for their role in the funeral on monday. the anthem that they sang by bairstow, a great yorkshireman and organist at york minster for three decades until his death.
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pepys would purchase his books, gloves and caps from one of the stalls here. william gladstone lying in 1988 and winston churchill also rested here. and vii in 1910 and george v in 1936. george vi in 1952. queen elizabeth the queen mother rested here for three days before her funeral in april 2002. black rod. sarah clark. leading the slow parade passed the coffin.
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the prime minister and leader of the opposition emerging into the sunlight. walking through the thick sand carefully laid outside this building to enable the gun carriage to come to enable the gun carriage to come to a perfect halt and well betide anyone who stepped upon it before the arrival of her late majesty. a team of men with breaks to ensure it
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was perfectly presented. — rakes. the parliamentarian is coming past the fountain placed here in honour of the silverjubilee of her majesty. there will be vips filing through here over the next few days, foreign heads of state for example coming to the funeral. but essentially now this is a place for the people. to come and pay tribute to their late monarch. westminster hall will now close for
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an hour or so and when it opens again it will be as i say a public space. in the middle of the night and the middle of the day whether on and the middle of the day whether on a warm wet afternoon or night people broke up patiently perhaps for hour after hour waiting for the chance to file past the coffin of her late majesty and say their own private farewell. from the solemnity of westminster hall to the sunshine outside. and thatis hall to the sunshine outside. and that is lambeth bridge crossing the river thames. to sneer at lambeth palace. the home of the archbishop of canterbury. across to the other side and the city of parliament on the banks of the river thames. if you take a close look you will have
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seen the queue of people that is forming on the bridge itself and then along the south bank. so this is the corner of lambeth bridge and millbank on the approach to the houses of parliament and they have a short distance, they do not have too long to queue up but for those people stretching back over lambeth bridge and round on the albert embankment and southbank, they will have quite a few hours ahead of them but they are all sharing one aim which is to queue up patiently and in good order and in the right spirit because they want to go and pay tribute and to pay their last respects to her majesty queen elizabeth ii stakes whose body now lies in state in westminster hall and will do for the next four days
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and will do for the next four days and nights until 6:30am on the day of the state funeral which is monday. this is an opportunity for the nation to come and say thank you and farewell. there will be people of course whose lives have been marked by one monarch alone, many people. they do not even remember a time before then. many millions of people for whom queen elizabeth ii has been the one constant in public life and therefore the change from any is a change that is fundamental in the way that they see the united kingdom and in the way that they see the shape of british society. others will be reflecting on the change of monarchy to charles iii and wondering what that would bring. sir david attenborough is still with me with robert hardman. sir david, i
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think you were born if i may say so within a few weeks of her majesty. two and a half weeks after her birth, yes. abs. two and a half weeks after her birth. yes-— birth, yes. a lovely thing to reflect today, _ birth, yes. a lovely thing to reflect today, i _ birth, yes. a lovely thing to reflect today, i have - birth, yes. a lovely thing to reflect today, i have to i birth, yes. a lovely thing to j reflect today, i have to say. birth, yes. a lovely thing to i reflect today, i have to say. when you see these queues of people and see people, lots of them applauding as you said earlier because they want to express themselves. it is that magic mix of remembrance and an element of course of grief plus thanks and celebration for a long reign and maybe we have now entered the phase in this process where it is the thanks and celebration that possibly is taking over in the next few days. possibly is taking over in the next few da s. . . . possibly is taking over in the next few da s. . .,, ., possibly is taking over in the next few da s. . ., , possibly is taking over in the next fewda s. . .,, ~ few days. that has to be so. at the moment it — few days. that has to be so. at the moment it is _ few days. that has to be so. at the moment it is a _ few days. that has to be so. at the moment it is a moment _ few days. that has to be so. at the moment it is a moment of- few days. that has to be so. at the moment it is a moment of sadnessj few days. that has to be so. at the i moment it is a moment of sadness and thanksgiving. and solemnity.
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certainly solemnity. and even those queueing up showing a good degree of solemnity because they know what is ahead of them. robert, it is moving when you see a crowd building up and it will be growing over the days ahead. it it will be growing over the days ahead. . ., ahead. it will, it will continue east along — ahead. it will, it will continue east along the _ ahead. it will, it will continue east along the south - ahead. it will, it will continue east along the south bank- ahead. it will, it will continue east along the south bank of| ahead. it will, it will continue i east along the south bank of the river— east along the south bank of the river thames. already i think a few miles— river thames. already i think a few miles long — river thames. already i think a few miles long. when the late queen mother— miles long. when the late queen mother was lying in state it ran all the way— mother was lying in state it ran all the way down to the of london but what _ the way down to the of london but what we _ the way down to the of london but what we have seen this afternoon in the most _ what we have seen this afternoon in the most immaculate and most moving way has _ the most immaculate and most moving way has been effectively the royal family— way has been effectively the royal family led by the king handing over the late _ family led by the king handing over the late queen to us. she is now there _ the late queen to us. she is now there for— the late queen to us. she is now there for us— the late queen to us. she is now there for us to pay our respects until— there for us to pay our respects until monday mourning and then it is the funeral— until monday mourning and then it is the funeral and we all collectively hand her— the funeral and we all collectively hand her on to the almighty. but i
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think— hand her on to the almighty. but i think to _ hand her on to the almighty. but i think to have seen what we saw this afternoon _ think to have seen what we saw this afternoon i — think to have seen what we saw this afternoon i think it is one word for it, afternoon i think it is one word for it. pure _ afternoon i think it is one word for it, pure majesty. the light glinting of the _ it, pure majesty. the light glinting of the imperial state crown, the synchronicity and timing, everything about— synchronicity and timing, everything about it _ synchronicity and timing, everything about it almost cinematic and yet perfect _ about it almost cinematic and yet perfect and real.— perfect and real. from the first beat of the _ perfect and real. from the first beat of the muffled _ perfect and real. from the first beat of the muffled drum i perfect and real. from the first beat of the muffled drum when perfect and real. from the first i beat of the muffled drum when they left buckingham palace time seem to stand still for that procession. and for you, stand still for that procession. and foryou, sir stand still for that procession. and for you, sir david, who have been witnessing elements of public life for decades and indeed your life has run in parallel with her majesty and i'm just wondering what your thoughts were when you saw the elegance and dignity of that procession as it made its way to westminster? i procession as it made its way to westminster?— procession as it made its way to westminster? i suppose there are thins westminster? i suppose there are thin . s that westminster? i suppose there are things that words _ westminster? i suppose there are things that words will _ westminster? i suppose there are things that words will not - westminster? i suppose there are things that words will not to, i
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westminster? i suppose there are things that words will not to, will| things that words will not to, will not carry. that actions symbolise. and it symbolised dignity, profundity and responsibility. and that life actually has a serious side profoundly expressed by tens of thousands of people, shared by them all and to that extent made more impact on the rest of us. it was very moving afternoon.- impact on the rest of us. it was very moving afternoon. thank you. so there ou very moving afternoon. thank you. so there you see — very moving afternoon. thank you. so there you see lambeth _ very moving afternoon. thank you. so there you see lambeth bridge - very moving afternoon. thank you. so there you see lambeth bridge and i very moving afternoon. thank you. so| there you see lambeth bridge and the familiar red buses dotting the route. of course a lot of the traffic has been stopped and all arrangements now focused in central london for the coming days. this will be a feature of all the images that we see in the days ahead. and
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it will be a proper focus on all of those who have made the journey from all parts of the united kingdom and indeed many coming from overseas and parts of the commonwealth because they want to show with their presence that they have a deep respect and admiration for the queen and all that she has achieved in what has been a record—breaking reign. the longest in british history. now obviously there will be a substantial weight for some and westminster hall is being prepared to be open to the public very shortly. let's explain a little more about that. westminster hall builds more than 900 years ago, the oldest part of the palace of westminster. where for the palace of westminster. where for the last 100 years british monarchs are brought to lie in state. here
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the queen's father king george vi lying—in—state in 1952. 50 years later his wife elizabeth the queen mother accorded the same honour. four of the queen mother's grandchildren around her coffin in silent tribute. just as the sun of king george v health post for their father on a cold january night 1936. the custom of lying—in—state in westminster hall for members of the royal family goes back to 1910 and the death of king edward the seven.
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only two non—royals state, prime minister william gladstone the queen's first prime ministers sir winston churchill. —— have lain in state. and so it is that at the end of the longest reign in british history, people come again stop to pay their last respects and say farewell to their queen. aren't they beautiful, the archive images we have? reminding us of course that we are just the latest generation experiencing previous generations have experienced solemn westminster hall today bearer party brought in the coffin and then the total silence, the tranquillity of,
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even on television since it. it was very real you could see that the impact on those present, parliamentarians, royal household staff, members of the royal family, religious leaders, they were all gathered there, all of them deeply touched by what they saw and aware that this is a moment of great british after the longest reign in our history. it is with me, a friend of ours on lots of these programmes are from vanity fair. good to see you. and we are very pleased to be joined by lieutenant general david leakey quite a few joined by lieutenant general david lea key quite a few years joined by lieutenant general david leakey quite a few years held post—black run since one of the key parliament. thank you forjoining us as well, david. bound to start with you, and asked afterwards we saw the
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immaculate arrangements westminster hall, to give us a sense of the work that has gone into that, the way that has gone into that, the way that that's been laid out over the years, the plans adjusted from time to time reallyjust a sense of what you and others have put into it. i you and others have put into it. i think the first thing to say about it as it is a team game. black rod organises the mechanics of the ceremonial and the events, and is the holder, if you like, indeed the author, operation markey plan, as it is called, —— plan in a state of flux and change, though was black rod i have no idea how many times we rewrote. it has to be rewritten all the time because westminster hall has been the subject of refurbishment and repairs. they have been scaffolding and gantries in the ring. every time a contract to the
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builders coming to do is work, there is always a stipulation that they have to get their scaffolding down, make good and get out within six hours. that is the sort of level of detail that has been running too. we rehearsed it a lot. every year there is a rehearsal one sort or another, including a complete build of the set, if you like, in westminster hall. so a lot of detailed work by of people. this hall. so a lot of detailed work by of --eole. �* . hall. so a lot of detailed work by of people-— hall. so a lot of detailed work by of eole. a , ., , of people. as we see the images here sunli . ht of people. as we see the images here sunlight streaming _ of people. as we see the images here sunlight streaming in, _ of people. as we see the images here sunlight streaming in, it _ of people. as we see the images here sunlight streaming in, it is _ of people. as we see the images here sunlight streaming in, it is very i sunlight streaming in, it is very atmospheric catafalque and the rich colours, the purple and gold crimson. katie, was this earlier, would not be touched and impressed by the sight that we saw? i would not be touched and impressed by the sight that we saw?— by the sight that we saw? i think it is impossible _ by the sight that we saw? i think it is impossible not _ by the sight that we saw? i think it is impossible not to _ by the sight that we saw? i think it is impossible not to be. _ by the sight that we saw? i think it is impossible not to be. that i by the sight that we saw? i think it| is impossible not to be. that sense of history— is impossible not to be. that sense of history being made in this hall
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of history being made in this hall of history. — of history being made in this hall of history, it is impossible not to be touched. it is a deeply moving spectacle — be touched. it is a deeply moving spectacle for everyone that was watching — spectacle for everyone that was watching it. the reason those queues are going _ watching it. the reason those queues are going to— watching it. the reason those queues are going to sneak past the river probably— are going to sneak past the river probably down to the city of london as they— probably down to the city of london as they did — probably down to the city of london as they did for the late queen mother— as they did for the late queen mother is because people want to be a part— mother is because people want to be a part of— mother is because people want to be a part of this history. the queen i think— a part of this history. the queen i think expected people to be a part of this _ think expected people to be a part of this. yes, the plans changed over time and _ of this. yes, the plans changed over time and contingency plans have been put into— time and contingency plans have been put into place but this is what she would _ put into place but this is what she would have wanted, she signed off on, would have wanted, she signed off on. in _ would have wanted, she signed off on. in her— would have wanted, she signed off on, in her life she said i have to be seen — on, in her life she said i have to be seen to— on, in her life she said i have to be seen to be believed, and that is as true _ be seen to be believed, and that is as true in— be seen to be believed, and that is as true in her death as it was in her life — as true in her death as it was in her life. that's precisely right, it is the _ her life. that's precisely right, it is the display, the display of royal authority— is the display, the display of royal authority and power, her majesty, as robert _ authority and power, her majesty, as robert hardman was talking about earlier. _ robert hardman was talking about earlier, we have the yeomen of the guard. _ earlier, we have the yeomen of the guard. the — earlier, we have the yeomen of the guard, the troopers of the life guards — guard, the troopers of the life guards and the blues and royals, we have the _ guards and the blues and royals, we have the gentlemen at arms, all of
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these _ have the gentlemen at arms, all of these figures, david, that you of course _ these figures, david, that you of course are — these figures, david, that you of course are familiar with, and two feature _ course are familiar with, and two feature of — course are familiar with, and two feature of course in events such as the state _ feature of course in events such as the state opening of parliament. you are no the state opening of parliament. gm. are no strangers to the immaculate display and the crisp drill and everything moving to perfection in a way that, if i may say so, it is difficult to find anywhere else in the world. it difficult to find anywhere else in the world. . , ., difficult to find anywhere else in the world. , , ., ., ., the world. it is, you are right, and hats off to — the world. it is, you are right, and hats off to these _ the world. it is, you are right, and hats off to these guys _ the world. it is, you are right, and hats off to these guys because i the world. it is, you are right, and. hats off to these guys because they are absolute consummate professionals at it. but the symbolism of all this which you have touched on is also important. these ancient ceremonial rituals, the uniforms, the way it is done, not just that, but the venue is 1000 years old and it is quite important to understand why westminster hall is used, and indeed who owns it, something which a lot of people don't know. of course the palace of westminster used to be the
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sovereign's residence in london until 1530, sovereign's residence in london until1530, i sovereign's residence in london until 1530, i think 1532 when there was a fire that burned the king's apartment, henry viii had to move out. no sovereign has lived in the palace of westminster since then, however, and it remained a royal palace under royal ownership, to use a sort of cheap term, if i may, until 1965. and then it was the queen herself in 1965 who suggested to the then prime minister harold wilson that it was inappropriate for the sovereign to own and control the building in which the democratically elected chamber and her revising chamber, the house of lords, satka man so she suggested, and the prime minister agreed, that she should transfer control and management and ownership of those parts of the palace of westminster to, respectively, the house of commons and the house of lords, and that happened. but she retained some of that and she retained a robing room
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and royal gallery which were very precious to her. the robing room where the sovereign ropes before the state opening of parliament. uncritically, westminster hall, and incidentally the chapel which is just off westminster hall. why did she retain for the sovereign westminster hall and these are the rooms? it's because there are three constituent parts to our legislature mother house of commons, the elected side which signs of legislation, the house of lords which is the revising chamber for legislation, and the sovereign who signs off legislation in that legislation, and all those three have a stake in the palace of westminster. they all own of it. and one of the reasons why the sovereign retained westminster hall is what we are seeing here now today.— are seeing here now today. indeed. this is a ceremony _ are seeing here now today. indeed. this is a ceremony which _ are seeing here now today. indeed. this is a ceremony which is - are seeing here now today. indeed. this is a ceremony which is owned i are seeing here now today. indeed. | this is a ceremony which is owned by the state, not parliament. it is controlled by the crown, not the government. controlled by the crown, not the government-—
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controlled by the crown, not the government. they are closing the doors to the _ government. they are closing the doors to the hall, _ government. they are closing the doors to the hall, and _ government. they are closing the doors to the hall, and they i government. they are closing the doors to the hall, and they are i doors to the hall, and they are preparing to prepare the hall for the public to be visiting a little later. outside we can see this glorious view of the mall, stretching all the way up to the admiralty arch, they have the london skyline in the background, lovely blue sky with the london i on the right, and of course the buildings of the city of london as well in the background. 50 while we look at this scene and while we consider what the queue of people is going to be doing on the south bank of the thames, let's not forget that there are many thousands of people crowded onto the mall and around the palace too. so let's join mall and around the palace too. so let'sjoin sophie wood mall and around the palace too. so let's join sophie wood them. —— the london eye. we have watched the royal family returned to buckingham palace and leave again, the royal standard has been lowered, the union flag has been raised, the king has
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left buckingham palace but the people are still here, the mall is packed with thousands of people and more and more are still being allowed to come back up here around the palace. young and old. i'm joined by maddy ray reynolds who is from girl guiding, 2a years old, who really wanted to be here today. millions of people have seen the queen's coffin and leave the palace. describe what it was like being in amongst the crowd? it was so emotional, not only seeing the queen's coffin but also seeing the queen's coffin but also seeing the members of the royal family following, it was so quiet, everybody was so respectful, and after they went past there was a nice ripple of applause from everybody, so respectful, sad but also quite nice in a way to get everyone to show their respects to her. it was a really powerful moment sure, definitely. haw her. it was a really powerful moment sure, definitely.— sure, definitely. how much do you want to go — sure, definitely. how much do you want to go and _ sure, definitely. how much do you want to go and cross _ sure, definitely. how much do you want to go and cross the - sure, definitely. how much do you want to go and cross the river- sure, definitely. how much do you want to go and cross the river and| want to go and cross the river and join the queue? i would love to come if i lived in london i would be straight there, i have a friend who has taken the day off work tomorrow so she can go down and queue for as
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long as it takes and i'd be doing the same if it was possible for me. it is so important for you to be here today because the queen was patron of girl guiding and patron for her whole reign, 70 years, and she was a girl guide herself at buckingham palace. she she was a girl guide herself at buckingham palace.— she was a girl guide herself at buckingham palace. she was a girl guide herself at buckinuham palace. ,, . , buckingham palace. she was a member ofthe buckingham palace. she was a member of the first buckingham _ buckingham palace. she was a member of the first buckingham palace - buckingham palace. she was a member of the first buckingham palace girl - of the first buckingham palace girl guides and princess margaret was a brownie as well and she was el patron for 70 years so it is a huge loss for us as an organisation. she was such a role model to so many girls and young women, such a strong, powerfulwoman girls and young women, such a strong, powerful woman doing so much good and being so respectful and committed to her duty, which obviously in guiding we all promise to be committed and promise to serve our queen. now she is and here it is sad but we are so grateful for all of her time that she gave us and she will be really missed by us all. this is something you're doing for yourfamily as well, this is something you're doing for your family as well, for your granny, who was almost the same age as the queen. granny, who was almost the same age as the queen-— as the queen. yes, she is a queen's auide and as the queen. yes, she is a queen's guide and i'm _ as the queen. yes, she is a queen's guide and i'm working _ as the queen. yes, she is a queen's guide and i'm working towards - as the queen. yes, she is a queen's guide and i'm working towards my i
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guide and i'm working towards my queen's guide award, the highest award in guiding, so it's really specialfor me and award in guiding, so it's really special for me and for them as well. maddie ray reynolds, thank you very much. studio: so nice to have these stories, family connections and memories, it is a day when people do tend to think about parents and grandparents, and even great—grandparents, and think about the milestones in their own lives. katie and david are still with me. when we saw the procession, which was led by the king, following the coffin, and then the family members, when you looked at the mix of family members, what were your perceptions? you just mention family, and it is clear that family were so important to her majesty the queen. she has brought the people together in her death but also brought herfamily together and you and i were last commentating on the procession at the late duke of edinburgh's funeral, and a lot of focus on royal brothers, the duke of cambridge and prince of wales and the duke of sussex and i thought it was
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wonderful they were there shoulder by shoulder alongside, and the queen's immediate members of her family and important members of her household. you had —— you would have spotted her page who was there right up spotted her page who was there right up until the end, master of the household, people have been a very important part of the bubble that has been her life for the last couple of years, and this was also their way of paying tribute and giving thanks in the way that we will see the nation do in the coming days. will see the nation do in the coming da s. t, .. will see the nation do in the coming da s. ., ~ ., _, will see the nation do in the coming da s. ., ~ ., days. talking of the coming days, and we see _ days. talking of the coming days, and we see members _ days. talking of the coming days, and we see members of- days. talking of the coming days, and we see members of the - days. talking of the coming days, | and we see members of the public having the opportunity to file through westminster hall, what does the arrangement for that? theyjust walk through without stopping? how long can i take? what is the plan? there is a term called a dwell time which is part of the key calculation as to how many people will be able to pass through the hall. we as to how many people will be able to pass through the hall.— to pass through the hall. we will see what happens. _ to pass through the hall. we will see what happens. it _ to pass through the hall. we will see what happens. it is - to pass through the hall. we will see what happens. it is going - to pass through the hall. we will see what happens. it is going to | to pass through the hall. we will i see what happens. it is going to be done _ see what happens. it is going to be done with_ see what happens. it is going to be done with dignity and sobriety and
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solemnity, and people will not be allowed _ solemnity, and people will not be allowed to take photographs and selfies _ allowed to take photographs and selfies because that would detract from the _ selfies because that would detract from the dignity of the occasion. bill will— from the dignity of the occasion. bill will flow down the two walkways you would have seen either side of the catafalque. every now and again, every— the catafalque. every now and again, every 20 _ the catafalque. every now and again, every 20 minutes there will be a pause _ every 20 minutes there will be a pause in — every 20 minutes there will be a pause in the queue and people will -et pause in the queue and people will get frustrated outside. but the people — get frustrated outside. but the people inside at the top of the steps — people inside at the top of the steps when the queue is paused will witness _ steps when the queue is paused will witness the changing of the vigil and that— witness the changing of the vigil and that is something that they will see. and that is something that they will see that_ and that is something that they will see. that itself will be a spectacle for those — see. that itself will be a spectacle for those who are lucky enough to be at one _ for those who are lucky enough to be at one of— for those who are lucky enough to be at one of those paused moments. but the queue _ at one of those paused moments. but the queue will be a long one. i shall— the queue will be a long one. i shall he — the queue will be a long one. i shall be joining it shortly. i shall be trying — shall be joining it shortly. i shall be trying to find the back of the queue _ be trying to find the back of the queue and pay my respects as a member— queue and pay my respects as a member ofjoe public. i queue and pay my respects as a member of joe public.— queue and pay my respects as a member of joe public. member ofjoe public. i was 'ust auoin to member of joe public. i was 'ust going to tease fl member of joe public. i was 'ust going to tease you i member of joe public. i was 'ust going to tease you a i member of joe public. i was 'ust going to tease you a little h member of joe public. i wasjust| going to tease you a little saying there are people watching who will be thinking you are a former black rod and you will be first in the queue. are you saying you will have tojoin the queue? i
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queue. are you saying you will have to join the queue?— to 'oin the queue? i dropped a hint i to join the queue? i dropped a hint i miaht be to join the queue? i dropped a hint i might be first _ to join the queue? i dropped a hint i might be first in _ to join the queue? i dropped a hint i might be first in the _ to join the queue? i dropped a hint i might be first in the queue - to join the queue? i dropped a hint i might be first in the queue and i l i might be first in the queue and i was told — i might be first in the queue and i was told in — i might be first in the queue and i was told in two short words and you can imagine — was told in two short words and you can imagine what they were. i'll be at the _ can imagine what they were. i'll be at the ltack— can imagine what they were. i'll be at the back along with joe public. at appropriate! certainly a lot of us will bejoining at appropriate! certainly a lot of us will be joining the queue. it is really a logistical challenge, obviously, to manage that many people, hundreds of thousands who pass through westminster hall when the queen mother was lying in state. i'm assuming that the plan is based on a much bigger number than that this time. , , ., this time. yes, it is. there are some choke — this time. yes, it is. there are some choke points _ this time. yes, it is. there are some choke points which - this time. yes, it is. there are some choke points which you | this time. yes, it is. there are - some choke points which you cannot avoid~ _ some choke points which you cannot avoid~ one _ some choke points which you cannot avoid~ one is— some choke points which you cannot avoid. one is the door into westminster hall and the other is the door— westminster hall and the other is the door and the exit out. we experimented with live humans how best we _ experimented with live humans how best we can manage that and what flow we _ best we can manage that and what flow we could achieve without pressing — flow we could achieve without pressing people through and making it an undignified scramble. that work— it an undignified scramble. that work has — it an undignified scramble. that work has been done, and there will be work has been done, and there will he door— work has been done, and there will be door keepers and assures on the floor of— be door keepers and assures on the floor of the — be door keepers and assures on the floor of the hall to encourage
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people — floor of the hall to encourage people to move along quietly so that people _ people to move along quietly so that people don't stop and pay their respects— people don't stop and pay their respects because the more people who stop and _ respects because the more people who stop and pay their respects in that way nteans— stop and pay their respects in that way means fewer people will be able to -o way means fewer people will be able to go through the hall. i hope people — to go through the hall. i hope people will understand that keeping that flow through means that more of the public— that flow through means that more of the public and me at the back of the queue _ the public and me at the back of the queue can _ the public and me at the back of the queue can get there!— queue can get there! interesting, katie, because _ queue can get there! interesting, katie, because i— queue can get there! interesting, katie, because i read _ queue can get there! interesting, katie, because i read that - queue can get there! interesting, katie, because i read that the - queue can get there! interesting, i katie, because i read that the queue for the lying in state for george vi backin for the lying in state for george vi back in 1952 was four miles long, and that's been kind of mentioned this time as well. the thing then was, if you look at the lovely archive material, people were in tears coming out of there. people were mopping their eyes and coming out and looking... and clearly that king had died at a very early age so that was an added dimension in that sense. do you think this thing has a momentum of its own? the more people
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see that there is a queue there and the more people see that people have an opportunity to go in, the more will turn up? i was speaking to people who want to be here and pay their respects and want to witness this moment in history and let's be honest we are british and very good at queueing up matter what the weather! so i do not think people will be put off one bit and of course there will be another opportunity on the day of the state funeral with the procession but for so many people i spoke to to be there and witness that moment is just something unique and something that they want to experience for themselves. that they want to experience for themselves-— that they want to experience for themselves. ., ., ., ~ themselves. david and katie thank ou both themselves. david and katie thank you both very _ themselves. david and katie thank you both very much. _ themselves. david and katie thank you both very much. we _ themselves. david and katie thank| you both very much. we mentioned earlier people have been sharing lots of experiences. the mall looking magnificent there with the
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union flags taxed all along. it looks like birthday parade date which is always a very happy day. todayis which is always a very happy day. today is a powerful mix of emotions as we have already reflected. sophie is with a special guest to tell us about his thoughts today. i’m is with a special guest to tell us about his thoughts today. i'm with alan gill resplendent _ about his thoughts today. i'm with alan gill resplendent in _ about his thoughts today. i'm with alan gill resplendent in chelsea i alan gill resplendent in chelsea pensioners scarlet. how much did it mean to you to be here this afternoon? it mean to you to be here this afternoon?— mean to you to be here this afternoon? , ., ., , afternoon? it is a great privilege and treat afternoon? it is a great privilege and great honour. _ afternoon? it is a great privilege and great honour. and _ afternoon? it is a great privilege and great honour. and really i afternoon? it is a great privilege and great honour. and really to | afternoon? it is a great privilege i and great honour. and really to see the queen— and great honour. and really to see the queen go by for the very last time _ the queen go by for the very last time before her funeral was very moving — time before her funeral was very movinu. ~ . . ., time before her funeral was very movin-. ~ ., . ., ., moving. what did the cream into the chelsea pensioners? _ moving. what did the cream into the chelsea pensioners? as _ moving. what did the cream into the chelsea pensioners? as you - moving. what did the cream into the | chelsea pensioners? as you probably know chelsea — chelsea pensioners? as you probably know chelsea pensioners _ chelsea pensioners? as you probably know chelsea pensioners are - chelsea pensioners? as you probably know chelsea pensioners are all i know chelsea pensioners are all veterans — know chelsea pensioners are all veterans of the army and we have all taken _ veterans of the army and we have all taken an— veterans of the army and we have all taken an oath of allegiance to the queen— taken an oath of allegiance to the queen and no matter how many years
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a-o i queen and no matter how many years ago i think— queen and no matter how many years ago i think that stays with you all your life — ago i think that stays with you all your life. apart from the fact that she was— your life. apart from the fact that she was an — your life. apart from the fact that she was an outstanding monarch she really— she was an outstanding monarch she really means everything to each and everyone _ really means everything to each and everyone of us at chelsea. and really means everything to each and everyone of us at chelsea.— everyone of us at chelsea. and she was very familiar _ everyone of us at chelsea. and she was very familiar to _ everyone of us at chelsea. and she was very familiar to the _ everyone of us at chelsea. and she was very familiar to the chelsea i was very familiar to the chelsea pensioners because during her entire rain she went to your back garden every year for rain she went to your back garden every yearfor the rain she went to your back garden every year for the chelsea flower show! and we were lucky to see her this year looking resplendent. absolutely and it coincided with my very first _ absolutely and it coincided with my very first day at the royal hospital chelsea _ very first day at the royal hospital chelsea so another privilege to see the queen— chelsea so another privilege to see the queen going to one of her favourite _ the queen going to one of her favourite flower shows. and the queen going to one of her favourite flower shows. and that was one of the last _ favourite flower shows. and that was one of the last big _ favourite flower shows. and that was one of the last big public— one of the last big public appearances and shejust one of the last big public appearances and she just smiled and smiled. she appearances and she 'ust smiled and smiled. ,, ., , ,., , appearances and she 'ust smiled and smiled. ,, ., , , ., ., smiled. she did, absolutely radiant. without a doubt. _ smiled. she did, absolutely radiant. without a doubt. you're _ smiled. she did, absolutely radiant. without a doubt. you're not - smiled. she did, absolutely radiant. without a doubt. you're not going i smiled. she did, absolutely radiant. | without a doubt. you're not going to join the queue to file past the
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coffin because you havejust join the queue to file past the coffin because you have just found out a few days ago that you're actually going to the funeral? yes. actually going to the funeral? yes, ei . ht of us actually going to the funeral? yes, eight of us are _ actually going to the funeral? yes, eight of us are privileged enough and lucky— eight of us are privileged enough and lucky enough and again with the honour— and lucky enough and again with the honour of— and lucky enough and again with the honour of going to her majesty's funeral — honour of going to her majesty's funeral. how were you selected? several _ funeral. how were you selected? several people were put into a hat. we have _ several people were put into a hat. we have four companies at the royal hospital— we have four companies at the royal hospital and two people were selected from each company and i was 'ust selected from each company and i was just lucky— selected from each company and i was just lucky enough to come out. and our just lucky enough to come out. and your reaction _ just lucky enough to come out. fific your reaction when your name was pulled out of the hat?— pulled out of the hat? actually i was very emotional and - pulled out of the hat? actually i was very emotional and just i pulled out of the hat? actually i j was very emotional and just had pulled out of the hat? actually i i was very emotional and just had to walk away — was very emotional and just had to walk away. the tears were rolling down _ walk away. the tears were rolling down nry— walk away. the tears were rolling down my face. i�*m walk away. the tears were rolling down my face-— down my face. i'm not surprised. thank you _ down my face. i'm not surprised. thank you very — down my face. i'm not surprised. thank you very much _ down my face. i'm not surprised. thank you very much for - down my face. i'm not surprised. thank you very much for talking l down my face. i'm not surprised. | thank you very much for talking to us this afternoon. it is thank you very much for talking to us this afternoon.— us this afternoon. it is a pleasure. and of course _
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us this afternoon. it is a pleasure. and of course thanks _ us this afternoon. it is a pleasure. and of course thanks to _ us this afternoon. it is a pleasure. and of course thanks to sophie i us this afternoon. it is a pleasure. | and of course thanks to sophie and our guests for sharing those thoughts with us today which i'm sure will resonate with my next guest grenadier greville bibby of the coldstream guards, now retired. thank you for coming in. it has been a day of great solemnity even in the sunshine but it has been a day of people also applauding the contribution of the queen and what she has achieved over a long life. you came across her majesty many times during your career and i wonder what you would like to share with the us in terms of your memories or perceptions? i with the us in terms of your memories or perceptions? i think the overridin: memories or perceptions? i think the overriding memory _ memories or perceptions? i think the overriding memory is _ memories or perceptions? i think the overriding memory is the _ memories or perceptions? i think the overriding memory is the queen i memories or perceptions? i think the overriding memory is the queen was| memories or perceptions? i think the l overriding memory is the queen was a very human human being, one tends to put the cream on a pedestal and quite rightly so but when you then find yourself in her presence it is quite overwhelming. and as you say as a soldier i had the privilege of meeting her on a number of occasions and was lucky enough to command the
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queen's company, you saw the soldiers bearing the coffin are from the queen's company but my fondest memory is when her majesty had all the officers who had carried the colour from the grenadier guards on trip in colourfor lunch colour from the grenadier guards on trip in colour for lunch at buckingham palace in 2019. only about 19 or 20 of us having lunch with the queen which was very surreal. i was not sat next to her and thought that is a shame, i will not speak to the queen but we ended up not speak to the queen but we ended up going from lunch into a little drawing room afterwards for coffee and ifound myself stood next to drawing room afterwards for coffee and i found myself stood next to the queen and 20 minutes later i was still standing next to the queen and we had a most delightful conversation. shejust we had a most delightful conversation. she just hosted president trump which was fascinating. and i must admit once i started to relax i got a bit cheeky and asked if she had a mobile phone and asked if she had a mobile phone and she was not a great fan of those i can tell you that much! that and she was not a great fan of those i can tell you that much!— i can tell you that much! that is interesting! _
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i can tell you that much! that is interesting! lovely _ i can tell you that much! that is interesting! lovely that - i can tell you that much! that is interesting! lovely that you i i can tell you that much! that is interesting! lovely that you can | interesting! lovely that you can feel relaxed enough to be able to ask a question like that. that says uuite a ask a question like that. that says quite a lot- _ ask a question like that. that says quite a lot- it _ ask a question like that. that says quite a lot. it says _ ask a question like that. that says quite a lot. it says a _ ask a question like that. that says quite a lot. it says a huge - ask a question like that. that says quite a lot. it says a huge amount| quite a lot. it says a huge amount about her, a real human being and very quickly he would not dare suggest that you are looking at your granny or mother but that is how she made you feel and she was very concerned that i did not have a cup of coffee! there was no way that i was going to hold a cup of coffee and try to drink it in front of the queen! , ._ ~ and try to drink it in front of the queen! , , ~ ., queen! some viewers may think that we've mixed — queen! some viewers may think that we've mixed about _ queen! some viewers may think that we've mixed about regiments - queen! some viewers may think that l we've mixed about regiments because i introduced you as a coldstream guardsman and of course then he went on to speak about the grenadier guards. i should on to speak about the grenadier guards. ishould point on to speak about the grenadier guards. i should point out of course you're one of those lucky fellows who served with both. and that is the reason because i want to make that clear before we go on. you had a distinguished career with both and i wonder, given that, the troops of the household division have such a close bond with her majesty and now
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indeed with the king. how does that manifest itself? when we talk about this close bond or intimate bond between what we call her majesty's personal troops, between what we call her majesty's personaltroops, how between what we call her majesty's personal troops, how does that manifest in the course of the year where you are mountain guide or taking part in parades or whatever you're doing, really of course on operations. how does it show? i think it is really very easy, operations. how does it show? u think it is really very easy, when a soldierjoins the army or the navy or air force, anyone in the military, the first thing we do is to swear an oath of allegiance to the monarch. so it is pretty clear from the outset who the boss is. and then of course you drill down into then of course you drill down into the history and you look at the household division and royal household division and royal household division and of course going back to 1650 when king charles
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ii was in exile who did we have with him? some troops who turned out to be the first regiment of footguards and grenadier guards, he had the life guards with them and the thing thatis life guards with them and the thing that is unique about the household division is the monarch of the day has always designated those regiments as part of their household division. so of course you wear that with great pride and when you change the guard at buckingham palace you are conscious that her majesty and the royal family are literallyjust through the wall and when you took the colour you are trooping the colour for her majesty and so it goes on as a constant reminder that that link with the royal family is so important and so special. you are s-ueakin so important and so special. you are speaking those _ so important and so special. you are speaking those words _ so important and so special. you are speaking those words eloquently i so important and so special. you are speaking those words eloquently as | speaking those words eloquently as we saw the images there at buckingham palace and the union flag and of course people are still milling around stjames' park and green park. another point i want to put to you is this, we are now
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looking at a new chapter. we have king charles iii. people have been overly impressed by the way in which he has spoken about his mother and the way that he addressed the nation on television last week. given your links again and your knowledge what kind of kin will he make, do you think? t kind of kin will he make, do you think? ., , think? i would say this, he will make an excellent _ think? i would say this, he will make an excellent king. i think? i would say this, he will make an excellent king. why? | think? i would say this, he will| make an excellent king. why? i absolutely mean that and the reason i can say that quite apart from my sister once having been one of the secretaries and got to know him very well and he was a delightful pass, ljy well and he was a delightful pass, by all accounts. i have worked with him and when i was commanding a brigade in the north—east of england prince charles as then was came he up prince charles as then was came he up to teesside and got us all in the room, the military, the police and business leaders, the local authorities in the room to talk about what we could all do together
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to help those less privileged people particularly in this case teesside but of course he was doing that all over the country and has done through his own charities and has been doing that ever since he could start to do that i guess from about the age of ten. so i think it is going to be a very natural transition from everything he has been doing as the prince of wales he will continue to do as king charles. as ever quite pleasured to talk to you and thank you very much. grenadier greville bibby. we spoke about the sense of duty and the queen and charles, mother and son. but the queen, her sense of duty came from watching her father at work and the values that informed his reign of 16 years. it was princess elizabeth who learnt valuable lessons during the war when of course they stayed in central london before moving out to windsor castle at the age of 13 when the
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bombs were falling and buckingham palace was damaged and then of course princess elizabeth joined the ats at the age of 18 and as gravel was saying her support for veterans and members of the armed forces has been a prominent feature of her reign. princess elizabeth celebrates her 16th birthday by inspecting as the new colonel the grenadier guards at a special parade at windsor castle. and so it began, a relationship with the guides that will strengthen when elizabeth became queen. {in the guides that will strengthen when elizabeth became queen.— the guides that will strengthen when elizabeth became queen. on the death ofthe elizabeth became queen. on the death of the kina elizabeth became queen. on the death of the king my — elizabeth became queen. on the death of the king my father _ elizabeth became queen. on the death of the king my father it _ elizabeth became queen. on the death of the king my father it falls _ elizabeth became queen. on the death of the king my father it falls to - elizabeth became queen. on the death of the king my father it falls to me i of the king my father it falls to me as sovereign to assume the colonel see in chief of all regiments comprising the brigade of guides. for 70 years there was a deep bond between soldiers and their
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sovereign. each year they mark the official birthday by trooping the colour. a , , ,, �* colour. her ma'esty the queen. a small figure — colour. her majesty the queen. a small figure on _ colour. her majesty the queen. a small figure on this _ colour. her majesty the queen. a small figure on this huge - colour. her majesty the queen. a small figure on this huge parade l small figure on this huge parade ground — small figure on this huge parade round. ., ., ground. throughout her reign the uuards ground. throughout her reign the guards stood _ ground. throughout her reign the guards stood vigilant _ ground. throughout her reign the guards stood vigilant outside i guards stood vigilant outside buckingham palace. in death as in life they remain on duty for their beloved queen. studio: there we have the lovely site of wellington barracks just across the road from buckingham palace. and my colleaguejj chalmers is there. lloathed colleague jj chalmers is there. what a da and colleague jj chalmers is there. what a day and what _ colleague jj chalmers is there. what a day and what a _ colleague jj chalmers is there. thrust a day and what a triumphant display. the real show of respect to her majesty the queen. it was just impeccable and i can say is a better and how unbelievably proud i am of every armed forces personnel on parade today including this one, guardsman asbury. what a day for
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you, 18 years old and you have served as a guide for less than a year and you have been part of one of the most important days in art military history. can you put into words how it felt to be out there? surreal, it did not feel rail until isaw— surreal, it did not feel rail until i saw the — surreal, it did not feel rail until i saw the cough coming by. what were ou thinkina i saw the cough coming by. what were you thinking at — i saw the cough coming by. what were you thinking at the _ i saw the cough coming by. what were you thinking at the point _ i saw the cough coming by. what were you thinking at the point where - i saw the cough coming by. what were you thinking at the point where you i you thinking at the point where you saw the gun carriage coming on and her majesty the queen? that saw the gun carriage coming on and her majesty the queen?— saw the gun carriage coming on and her majesty the queen? that we were makin: her her majesty the queen? that we were making her proud _ her majesty the queen? that we were making her proud and _ her majesty the queen? that we were making her proud and doing _ her majesty the queen? that we were making her proud and doing our i her majesty the queen? that we were making her proud and doing our for i making her proud and doing our for her. making her proud and doing our for her~ he_ making her proud and doing our for her. �* , . , making her proud and doing our for her. �* , ., , ., �* , making her proud and doing our for her. as a member of the british army and as a guard _ her. as a member of the british army and as a guard what _ her. as a member of the british army and as a guard what does _ her. as a member of the british army and as a guard what does her- her. as a member of the british army| and as a guard what does her majesty the queen mean to you? it's like she is our boss and we are making her proud every day. i should point out the buses are here, because many of the troops are setting for a bit of rest. you've to go back to work in a few hours,
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after your admin go back to work in a few hours, afteryouradmin and it go back to work in a few hours, after your admin and it takes a lot of strength, especially in the heat like today, what is in your mind throughout that time? l’m like today, what is in your mind throughout that time? i'm making my family proud. — throughout that time? i'm making my family proud, like _ throughout that time? i'm making my family proud, like what _ throughout that time? i'm making my family proud, like what my _ throughout that time? i'm making my family proud, like what my family i family proud, like what my family would _ family proud, like what my family would he — family proud, like what my family would be thinking.— family proud, like what my family would be thinking. what do you think our famil would be thinking. what do you think your family would _ would be thinking. what do you think your family would be _ would be thinking. what do you think your family would be thinking, i would be thinking. what do you think your family would be thinking, what l your family would be thinking, what did they say to you?— did they say to you? they're proud of me, it did they say to you? they're proud of me. it is — did they say to you? they're proud of me. it is a _ did they say to you? they're proud of me, it is a one _ did they say to you? they're proud of me, it is a one in _ did they say to you? they're proud of me, it is a one in a— did they say to you? they're proud of me, it is a one in a lifetime i of me, it is a one in a lifetime opportunity. won't ever do it again. it opportunity. won't ever do it again. it won't _ opportunity. won't ever do it again. it won't be — opportunity. won't ever do it again. it won't be just your family that will be proud, i'm the first to say the nation will be proud of you. thank you so much.— the nation will be proud of you. thank you so much. the nation will be proud of you. i thank you so much._ well thank you so much. thank you. well these lovely — thank you so much. thank you. well these lovely scenes _ thank you so much. thank you. well these lovely scenes in _ thank you so much. thank you. well these lovely scenes in the _ thank you so much. thank you. well these lovely scenes in the late i these lovely scenes in the late afternoon, it is 4.30, not quite late afternoon, but getting on, because the sun is starting to go down, it that is time of year. but the light is beautiful on the water there in st james's the light is beautiful on the water there in stjames's park and the light is beautiful on the water there in st james's park and there you have buckingham palace in the background. we have been enjoying
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the colour and the spectacle, along with the solemnity, which has been impressive throughout the afternoon as the queen's coffin was processed slowly, majestically, to westminster hall. and the crowds enjoying the sunshine and the surroundings, but mindful of what is going on and a lot of them are going to join the queue to file past the coffin in westminster hall where, the queen's bodyis westminster hall where, the queen's body is lying in state. that process getting under way very soon. we have seen the queues already across the bridge and to the south bank. two guests with me, i'm saying welcome back to sally osman. former director of communication at the pa lace, who said herformer office was of communication at the pa lace, who said her former office was there. and paul boateng, former labour
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cabinet minister and ambassador to south africa and both of you, especially you, paul, with a really good vantage point on the role the commonwealth played and the old empire evolving into a commonwealth and the role that played in the long reign of the queen. what is your experience of the way it evolved. the modern commonwealth is very much the creation _ the modern commonwealth is very much the creation of late queen. she cemented that with her visits over many— cemented that with her visits over many m _ cemented that with her visits over many m years and the visits that i recall— many m years and the visits that i recall particularly, are her visit to ghana — recall particularly, are her visit to ghana in _ recall particularly, are her visit to ghana in 1961, i was a schoolboy, waving _ to ghana in 1961, i was a schoolboy, waving a _ to ghana in 1961, i was a schoolboy, waving a flag in the dust by the road _ waving a flag in the dust by the road by— waving a flag in the dust by the road. by1999 waving a flag in the dust by the road. by 1999 i was one of her ministers _ road. by 1999 i was one of her ministers. for so many of us in the commonwealth, you know, her presence, _ commonwealth, you know, her
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presence, her presence at tough times. _ presence, her presence at tough times, as — presence, her presence at tough times, as well as at happy ones, has been _ times, as well as at happy ones, has been crucial — times, as well as at happy ones, has been crucial. let me give you an example. — been crucial. let me give you an example, the visit to ghana was highly— example, the visit to ghana was highly problematic in 1961. there were _ highly problematic in 1961. there were many in both houses that were advising _ were many in both houses that were advising again bitter sweet it. —— against _ advising again bitter sweet it. —— against it — advising again bitter sweet it. —— against it. she was determined to go ahead _ against it. she was determined to go ahead she _ against it. she was determined to go ahead. she said if i don't go and the russian president goes, that is a triumph — the russian president goes, that is a triumph for him. it is a loss for the commonwealth and she went. my father— the commonwealth and she went. my father at— the commonwealth and she went. my father at that time was a minister, working _ father at that time was a minister, working with duncan sands. the visit was a _ working with duncan sands. the visit was a success and she touched the hearts— was a success and she touched the hearts of— was a success and she touched the hearts of so— was a success and she touched the hearts of so many people, and they're — hearts of so many people, and they're watching today, with a lump in their— they're watching today, with a lump in their throats, because of what she has— in their throats, because of what she has meant to them. a in their throats, because of what she has meant to them.- she has meant to them. a lot of thins to she has meant to them. a lot of things to pick — she has meant to them. a lot of things to pick up _ she has meant to them. a lot of things to pick up there, - she has meant to them. a lot of things to pick up there, the i she has meant to them. a lot of| things to pick up there, the issue
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about that strategic view, the thought that you know the soviet union might be gaining an advantage if she didn't step in, what we call soft power very often, although i would argue that is more than soft power, that is a clear—sighted strategic view. a lot of people would think that wasn't part of the queen's make up. she would think that wasn't part of the queen's make up.— would think that wasn't part of the queen's make up. she had a sense of what was right _ queen's make up. she had a sense of what was right for _ queen's make up. she had a sense of what was right for britain, _ queen's make up. she had a sense of what was right for britain, for - queen's make up. she had a sense of what was right for britain, for the i what was right for britain, for the commonwealth, for her vision of a coming _ commonwealth, for her vision of a coming together on a nonracial, nonpolitical basis of states all over— nonpolitical basis of states all over the — nonpolitical basis of states all over the world, with shared values. she knew— over the world, with shared values. she knew what was a threat to those values _ she knew what was a threat to those values let _ she knew what was a threat to those values. let me give you another example — values. let me give you another example. apartheid in south africa, south _ example. apartheid in south africa, south africa suspended from the commonwealth. and difficult arguments around sanctions. and the queen, _ arguments around sanctions. and the queen, whilst being strictly nonpolitical, always made it clear
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through— nonpolitical, always made it clear through her developing relationship with nelson mandela on which side of the argument she stood. she stood for the _ the argument she stood. she stood for the best of commonwealth values and the _ for the best of commonwealth values and the commonwealth hasn't forgotten that and her legacy to kin- forgotten that and her legacy to king charles, who will be a great leader. _ king charles, who will be a great leader. i— king charles, who will be a great leader, i have no doubt, is a commonwealth united today in grief, in sorrow. _ commonwealth united today in grief, in sorrow, but at the same time in good _ in sorrow, but at the same time in good shape — in sorrow, but at the same time in good shape for the future. that in sorrow, but at the same time in good shape for the future.- in sorrow, but at the same time in good shape for the future. that is a aood good shape for the future. that is a good message- _ good shape for the future. that is a good message. sally, _ good shape for the future. that is a good message. sally, just- good shape for the future. that is a good message. sally, just looking i good shape for the future. that is a l good message. sally, just looking at these images that we are all enjoying, this is the vast space of horse guards parade. the queue, i'm told, the queue to reach the palace of westminster is now over four miles long. it is already growing. and this is day one. day one of people being allowed to queue. i actually recognise somebody there from... from nearwhere actually recognise somebody there from... from near where i live! there you go. lt
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from... from near where i live! there you go-— from... from near where i live! there you go. it is a small world! she aot there you go. it is a small world! she got there _ there you go. it is a small world! she got there very _ there you go. it is a small world! she got there very quickly. i there you go. it is a small world! she got there very quickly. but i there you go. it is a small world! i she got there very quickly. but this is the sight, isn't it, this is going to be the dominant theme of the coming days, that there are going to be possibly, well, millions of people, if you add up all the days, who will want to come and see the queen laying in state. that tells us a lot about the way her death has touched people. they will include people from the commonwealth. as we look at these images from your experience, sally, at working at such a close range with the queen, i'm thinking, to what extend did commonwealth issues dominate the day's business? to what extent was the queen engaged actively with commonwealth news? hugely involved. her private secretaries would be feeding news up to her. she wanted to know what was
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going on, notjust around the uk, but the common wept. —— commonwealth. she would talk to heads of state. but it was interesting, the older she got and she decided she wasn't going to travel as much, the commonwealth came to her in many respects. there are a couple of big initiatives that live on. one was the queen's young leaders thatjohn major talked about, from the diamond jubilee, 240 astonishing young people who are the future. that is why the queen was so keen on the future, because it was about future leaders of the commonwealth. the queen's common welt —— commonwealth ca noppe. and appealing to a different demographic and a different age group to show
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the breadth of creativity and enterprise across the commonwealth. i would add the queen's commonwealth essay competition. that is a wonderful competition that unites people _ wonderful competition that unites people from all over the commonwealth, in recent years the queen— commonwealth, in recent years the queen consort has been responsibility for that. queen consort has been responsibility forthat. but queen consort has been responsibility for that. but working with organisations like book aid, where _ with organisations like book aid, where the — with organisations like book aid, where the duke of edinburgh was patron, _ where the duke of edinburgh was patron, the queen consort now is. that was— patron, the queen consort now is. that was reaching out to a new generation and getting them to think about— generation and getting them to think about what the commonwealth might mean in _ about what the commonwealth might mean in their lives. but also connecting the crown with them and their lives — connecting the crown with them and their lives. the duke of edinburgh's award _ their lives. the duke of edinburgh's award, which the queen was so sum portative _ award, which the queen was so sum portative of— award, which the queen was so sum portative of —— supportive of. i remember— portative of —— supportive of. i remember herat our portative of —— supportive of. i remember her at our award's house. she was— remember her at our award's house. she was there for the late duke, 'ust she was there for the late duke, just as _ she was there for the late duke, just as he — she was there for the late duke, just as he was always there for her. let's _ just as he was always there for her. let's pause — just as he was always there for her. let's pause for a moment, we are
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looking at the images of the mall and the huge yon union flags. if you're thinking there are not that many people there, the they have all moved to the south bank of the thames, for those who know the geography of london, the queue stretches to london bridge. that is quite a long way. not quite to tower bridge, so i imagine a queue of a few hours for people in that queue now. good luck to them all. on a day like today, it is not so much of a burden to stay in this. my good friend and colleague alexjones a short while ago caught up with some of people who are, well, by the looks of it are quite early in the queue. rvegts looks of it are quite early in the queue- rvegt— looks of it are quite early in the rueue, rveu-t ,, ., ., ., ~ . ., looks of it are quite early in the ueue_ rveut ,, ., ., ., ~ . ., queue. rvegts sharon and michael, so lovel to queue. rvegts sharon and michael, so lovely to meet — queue. rvegts sharon and michael, so lovely to meet you, _ queue. rvegts sharon and michael, so lovely to meet you, tell _ queue. rvegts sharon and michael, so lovely to meet you, tell me _ queue. rvegts sharon and michael, so lovely to meet you, tell me your i lovely to meet you, tell me your story, what has brought you here and
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into this very long queue? for story, what has brought you here and into this very long queue?— into this very long queue? for me, i'm from windsor, _ into this very long queue? for me, i'm from windsor, i _ into this very long queue? for me, i'm from windsor, i grew - into this very long queue? for me, i'm from windsor, i grew up i into this very long queue? for me, j i'm from windsor, i grew up there, the queen— i'm from windsor, i grew up there, the queen and the royal family have been a _ the queen and the royal family have been a big _ the queen and the royal family have been a big part of my life. met my husband — been a big part of my life. met my husband, michael, he is in the royal navy _ husband, michael, he is in the royal navy he _ husband, michael, he is in the royal navy. he got married and now live in hampshire — navy. he got married and now live in hampshire. we have been on holiday and we heard the news. obviously, quite _ and we heard the news. obviously, quite emotional. got back home and we knew— quite emotional. got back home and we knew the thing we needed to do was to— we knew the thing we needed to do was to come here today. so for me personally. — was to come here today. so for me personally, it is an honour to do this _ personally, it is an honour to do this she — personally, it is an honour to do this. she was the queen for so many people _ this. she was the queen for so many people and _ this. she was the queen for so many people and will always be known as the queen— people and will always be known as the queen to many people. today is important. — the queen to many people. today is important, we were hear at 5am. the queen to many people. today is important, we were hearat 5am. we have met _ important, we were hearat 5am. we have met a _ important, we were hearat 5am. we have met a lot of people. it has been _ have met a lot of people. it has been emotional. we have had fun and laughter— been emotional. we have had fun and laughter and we talked of our memories and it is an important thing _ memories and it is an important thing to— memories and it is an important thing to be _ memories and it is an important thing to be here. you memories and it is an important thing to be here.— memories and it is an important thing to be here. memories and it is an important thin to be here. ., ., .,, thing to be here. you came down last niuht? thing to be here. you came down last night? yes- — thing to be here. you came down last night? yes. stayed _ thing to be here. you came down last night? yes. stayed in _ thing to be here. you came down last night? yes. stayed in a _ thing to be here. you came down last night? yes. stayed in a hotel? i thing to be here. you came down last night? yes. stayed in a hotel? whatl
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night? yes. stayed in a hotel? what were the scenes like this morning that early? brute were the scenes like this morning that earl ? ~ .., ., were the scenes like this morning that early?— were the scenes like this morning that earl ? ~ .., ., , that early? we came over the bridge and expected — that early? we came over the bridge and expected the _ that early? we came over the bridge and expected the queue _ that early? we came over the bridge and expected the queue to _ that early? we came over the bridge and expected the queue to be i that early? we came over the bridge l and expected the queue to be longer, because _ and expected the queue to be longer, because we _ and expected the queue to be longer, because we were _ and expected the queue to be longer, because we were contemplating - because we were contemplating spending — because we were contemplating spending the _ because we were contemplating spending the night _ because we were contemplating spending the night out - because we were contemplating spending the night out here. i because we were contemplatingl spending the night out here. but chose _ spending the night out here. but chose the — spending the night out here. but chose the hotel— spending the night out here. but chose the hotel option _ spending the night out here. but chose the hotel option instead. i spending the night out here. but i chose the hotel option instead. what about the people _ chose the hotel option instead. about the people that you have chose the hotel option instead.- about the people that you have been chatting to? you said you have made queue friends, that is now the new term? , ., , ., ., term? they have been great, we have a lot of people — term? they have been great, we have a lot of people around _ term? they have been great, we have a lot of people around us, _ term? they have been great, we have a lot of people around us, we - term? they have been great, we have a lot of people around us, we don't i a lot of people around us, we don't know— a lot of people around us, we don't know each— a lot of people around us, we don't know each other, but now we feel we do and _ know each other, but now we feel we do and we _ know each other, but now we feel we do and we have a connection, which is the _ do and we have a connection, which is the queen, it has been nice, we have _ is the queen, it has been nice, we have had _ is the queen, it has been nice, we have had people that we have shared nice thoughts and everybody peoples the same _ nice thoughts and everybody peoples the same. it is ok at the moment. there _ the same. it is ok at the moment. there will— the same. it is ok at the moment. there will become a moment as the queen— there will become a moment as the queen moves on and we will feel that and the _ queen moves on and we will feel that and the family will feel that. that
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is lovel , and the family will feel that. that is lovely. you _ and the family will feel that. that is lovely, you will— and the family will feel that. that is lovely, you will see _ and the family will feel that. trust is lovely, you will see more of that, people who don't know each other at all, they were spend hours in the queue and they will be friends for life after. people are all there for the same reason, it doesn't matter where people are from, their backgrounds, how young or old they are, they are all there for one reason to show respect and affection for the queen. that is a very nice thing to reflect on. indeed with paul and sally, to reflect maybe as well on something that a lot of viewers say they are interested in, behind the scenes. we are used to the queen with this remarkably sure, certain, constant presence, who delivers speeches and we see at the state opening of parliament and at the birthday parade and the rest of it. but to do business with the queen, either as
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people from the commonwealth, or as staff, i'm intrigued by that. how did those exchanges work? paul? well, i am a privy counsellor, so i won't _ well, i am a privy counsellor, so i won't talk— well, i am a privy counsellor, so i won't talk about what happens there. but what _ won't talk about what happens there. but what i _ won't talk about what happens there. but what i can say is her kindness and consideration. when you first become _ and consideration. when you first become a — and consideration. when you first become a privy counsellor, it us huge. _ become a privy counsellor, it us huge, you're nervous and you have to id huge, you're nervous and you have to go and _ huge, you're nervous and you have to go and kneel— huge, you're nervous and you have to go and kneel and kiss her hand and she just _ go and kneel and kiss her hand and she just puts you at your ease. and you know _ she just puts you at your ease. and you know don't worry, it is going to be all— you know don't worry, it is going to be all right — you know don't worry, it is going to be all right. there is that. also i will never— be all right. there is that. also i will never forget this, i had two very— will never forget this, i had two very dear— will never forget this, i had two very dear constituents who had done a lot of— very dear constituents who had done a lot of work— very dear constituents who had done a lot of work in support of africa and charitable projects and i arranged for them to come to an event _ arranged for them to come to an event in — arranged for them to come to an event in the palace and they were quite _ event in the palace and they were quite elderly and they were a bit
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overcome — quite elderly and they were a bit overcome. and they started talking about _ overcome. and they started talking about their concerns for me, now i had left _ about their concerns for me, now i had left the — about their concerns for me, now i had left the constituency and gone to africa — had left the constituency and gone to africa. and she looked me, smiled — to africa. and she looked me, smiled, she looked me up and down and said _ smiled, she looked me up and down and said, well, he doesn't seem to be done _ and said, well, he doesn't seem to be done too — and said, well, he doesn't seem to be done too badly does he? that put them, _ be done too badly does he? that put them, even — be done too badly does he? that put them, even burst into laughter and they were — them, even burst into laughter and they were at their ease. but it was that warmth, that generosity of spirit _ that warmth, that generosity of spirit and — that warmth, that generosity of spirit and sense of humour. you mentioned _ spirit and sense of humour. you mentioned being _ spirit and sense of humour. you mentioned being a _ spirit and sense of humour. ym. mentioned being a privy counsellor. i'm breaking the flow of the conversation for a second. were you at the accession council? ihla. conversation for a second. were you at the accession council?— at the accession council? no, there were 600 of— at the accession council? no, there were 600 of us _ at the accession council? no, there were 600 of us aren't _ at the accession council? no, there were 600 of us aren't only - at the accession council? no, there were 600 of us aren't only 200 i at the accession council? no, there l were 600 of us aren't only 200 could -et were 600 of us aren't only 200 could get into— were 600 of us aren't only 200 could get into the _ were 600 of us aren't only 200 could get into the room, there was a ballot — get into the room, there was a ballot and _ get into the room, there was a ballot and i could not get in because _ ballot and i could not get in because unfortunately i was not one of the _ because unfortunately i was not one of the winners. the ordinary privy council. _ of the winners. the ordinary privy council. six— of the winners. the ordinary privy council, six are interviewed at the
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very most — council, six are interviewed at the very most. there is no public, that is part— very most. there is no public, that is part of— very most. there is no public, that is part of it — very most. there is no public, that is part of it it— very most. there is no public, that is part of it. it is a complete secret _ is part of it. it is a complete secret. but the formalities of the agenda _ secret. but the formalities of the agenda being read, and then a centre —— | agenda being read, and then a centre -- i sent— agenda being read, and then a centre —— i sent being given, those formalities are recognised at the privy— formalities are recognised at the privy council. formalities are recognised at the privy council-— formalities are recognised at the privy council. doing business as a member of _ privy council. doing business as a member of staff, _ privy council. doing business as a member of staff, dealing - privy council. doing business as a member of staff, dealing with i privy council. doing business as a | member of staff, dealing with her majesty, may be having to explain things that possibly weren't entirely welcome, especially as director of communications, which is a challenging job at the best of times, in most places, i imagine at buckingham palace it contains its own challenges. how did that work—out? own challenges. how did that work-out?— own challenges. how did that work-out? ~ ., ., , work-out? well, i would not see the queen every — work-out? well, i would not see the queen every day- — work-out? well, i would not see the queen every day. her— work-out? well, i would not see the queen every day. her private - queen every day. her private secretary certainly did, but i wouldn't. there was a lot of communication, i would send her memos about things, explaining certain things that happened or what might be coming, every boss likes to know, ratherthan might be coming, every boss likes to know, rather than not know. i often think about the first time i ever
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met her. once ijoined her household, it was at sandringham, a very greyjanuary day. household, it was at sandringham, a very grey january day. i household, it was at sandringham, a very greyjanuary day. i was household, it was at sandringham, a very grey january day. i was pretty nervous. the queen's assistant private secretary at the time, some cohen, was on duty and brilliant at easing my nerves. angela, the queen's personal assistant and dresser came to calm my nerves. i went to meet the queen with sam cohen, and it was in her private office and sitting room, all very informal. i curtsied, trying not to trip over a corgi. i stood up and we talked. she was wonderful. we were talking about her forthcoming state visit to france, how previous state visits had gone and a few anecdotes there. she said, how was the journey? i said, there. she said, how was the journey? isaid, actually, it was quite cold, there was no heating on the train to sandringham. she said, we must give you a rug for the way
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back. heracts we must give you a rug for the way back. her acts of kindness to members of staff, the stories are legion. t members of staff, the stories are le.ion_ ,., ,, members of staff, the stories are leaion. , , ., �* members of staff, the stories are leaion. , ., �* ,., legion. i probably shouldn't share this, but! legion. i probably shouldn't share this, but i attended _ legion. i probably shouldn't share this, but i attended a _ legion. i probably shouldn't share this, but i attended a reception i legion. i probably shouldn't share| this, but i attended a reception at buckingham palace, a harmless story, in a way, of course, everybody wants to talk to the queen. everybody is kind ofjostling for position. and i kind ofjostling for position. and i kind ofjostling for position. and i kind of gave up, to be honest, and i went and stood in an adjoining little corridor. and to my shock and terror, who turned up but her majesty? and stopped. and chatted away. we were chatting and it was about 7.30, i had taken the night off, i thought, about 7.30, i had taken the night off, ithought, who about 7.30, i had taken the night off, i thought, who knows when i will finish at buckingham palace? i was not doing the 10 o'clock news. we chatted for five minutes, she looked at her watch and said, you've only got two hours before you are on the news, you had better go. and off she went. i did leave at that point.
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right, well, it is nice to reflect. even on a day like this, it is nice to smile as well, isn't it? as we look at these magnificent images of the mall, i can tell you that sophie is there and enjoying the sunshine. i certainly am, don't be fooled by the empty pavements behind me, there are still vast numbers of people out here, so many, in fact, they were just coming past the palace a short time ago and the police had to stop them. as you can see, they are being pushed off to st james's park for now, before more are allowed to come back. so many people want to stand here and take photographs, and just be here on this day. carl is from st john ambulance. you have been dealing with the crowds?- john ambulance. you have been dealing with the crowds? really busy da for us. dealing with the crowds? really busy day for us- we _ dealing with the crowds? really busy day for us. we have _ dealing with the crowds? really busy day for us. we have around - dealing with the crowds? really busy day for us. we have around 2000 i day for us. we have around 2000 volunteers that have signed up to give their time during this really sad period. give their time during this really sad period-—
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give their time during this really sad eriod. ., ., ., ,, sad period. you volunteered for st john ambulance _ sad period. you volunteered for st john ambulance for _ sad period. you volunteered for st john ambulance for 35 _ sad period. you volunteered for st john ambulance for 35 years, i sad period. you volunteered for st john ambulance for 35 years, you | john ambulance for 35 years, you have been to so many royal events over the years. what was the atmosphere like, and horse guards parade? the atmosphere like, and horse guards parade? . , atmosphere like, and horse guards parade? ., , ., , , parade? the last time, i was stood here, the jubilee, _ parade? the last time, i was stood here, the jubilee, a _ parade? the last time, i was stood here, the jubilee, a joyous - here, thejubilee, a joyous attention. today i was stood on the corner of horse guards parade, the mall, there was silence and you could hear every footstep of everybody in the procession. that was followed byjoy, you could hear people talking about memories of seeing the queen, or people meeting the queen, past relatives having a fondness around the queen. you the queen, past relatives having a fondness around the queen. you had a lot of interaction _ fondness around the queen. you had a lot of interaction with _ fondness around the queen. you had a lot of interaction with people _ lot of interaction with people today. a lot of people have decided at the last minute to just come here? at the last minute to 'ust come here? . �* , �* , at the last minute to 'ust come here? ., �*, �*, ., at the last minute to 'ust come here? ., , here? that's right. it's a really warm day _ here? that's right. it's a really warm day today. _ here? that's right. it's a really warm day today. a _ here? that's right. it's a really warm day today. a lot - here? that's right. it's a really warm day today. a lot of i here? that's right. it's a really. warm day today. a lot of people here? that's right. it's a really i warm day today. a lot of people have come dressed for a cold day. they might not have put the right shoes on or brought enough water and enough food. so, on or brought enough water and enoughfood. so, ourvolunteers on or brought enough water and enough food. so, our volunteers are
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across 30 locations, within the city. and at windsor as well. you will be looking _ city. and at windsor as well. you will be looking after the people at that very long queue, already four miles long and probably longer in a few minutes we have been speaking. what are you expecting?— what are you expecting? absolutely, 24 hours, what are you expecting? absolutely, 24 hours. our — what are you expecting? absolutely, 24 hours, our people _ what are you expecting? absolutely, 24 hours, our people will— what are you expecting? absolutely, 24 hours, our people will be - 24 hours, our people will be supporting that. some of that will be first aid. we are also thinking about those that might be stood on their own, who have got a lot to think about and might be upset about the occasion. our volunteers are trained and on hand to support both from a physicalfirst trained and on hand to support both from a physical first aid trained and on hand to support both from a physicalfirst aid point trained and on hand to support both from a physical first aid point of view, but also those thatjust from a physical first aid point of view, but also those that just want a listener and somebody came to talk to. . ., , , , ., ., to. huge crowds behind you, all t in: to to. huge crowds behind you, all trying to get _ to. huge crowds behind you, all trying to get past _ to. huge crowds behind you, all trying to get past the _ to. huge crowds behind you, all trying to get past the palace. i to. huge crowds behind you, all trying to get past the palace. a| to. huge crowds behind you, all i trying to get past the palace. a lot of people are so keen to be here. really special thing. three jubilees i have stood in this same spot. you know, it is an experience. but it's also an opportunity to pay our
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respects. but also to say thank you. everybody having conversations, chatting to each other while they are waiting, people waiting for hours and hours, some overnight, talking about memories of the queen, when they met the queen. you met the queen? t when they met the queen. you met the queen? . , when they met the queen. you met the queen? .,, ., , ., ., when they met the queen. you met the queen? ., , ., ., ., queen? i was really fortunate to meet the queen _ queen? i was really fortunate to meet the queen back _ queen? i was really fortunate to meet the queen back in - queen? i was really fortunate to meet the queen back in 2014, i meet the queen back in 2014, chatsworth house in derbyshire, and she spent about six or seven minutes talking about the work of our volunteers across the county, around the kind of community events that we support. and how we support our people. support. and how we support our --eole. , support. and how we support our eo le, , ., ., support. and how we support our neale, , people. very good luck with the next few da s, people. very good luck with the next few days. you _ people. very good luck with the next few days. you are — people. very good luck with the next few days, you are going _ people. very good luck with the next few days, you are going to _ people. very good luck with the next few days, you are going to be - people. very good luck with the next few days, you are going to be very i few days, you are going to be very busy, thank you for the work that you do. busy, thank you for the work that ou do. . .. busy, thank you for the work that ou do. ., ~ i. busy, thank you for the work that oudo. ., ~ .., busy, thank you for the work that oudo. ., .., you do. thank you, i appreciate your time. you do. thank you, i appreciate your time- quite — you do. thank you, i appreciate your time. quite rightly, _ you do. thank you, i appreciate your time. quite rightly, thanking - you do. thank you, i appreciate your time. quite rightly, thanking people| time. quite rightly, thanking people who are playing _ time. quite rightly, thanking people who are playing such _ time. quite rightly, thanking people who are playing such an _ time. quite rightly, thanking people who are playing such an important i who are playing such an important part of today. well, that image says it all. there you have the long queue which is crossing the river thames to the south bank, lambeth bridge, which is very near the houses of parliament. the key was
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going all the way down the albert embankment, past westminster bridge, all the way down, i'm now told, to london bridge and beyond. if it carries on, it will be down towards tower bridge, which will be a very long way away. people have been making a little bit of progress in the last hour, because they have been able to come off lambeth bridge. as you can see, they can walk at a fairly decent pace. but sometimes, because of the way they are changing the vigils in westminster hall, it all comes to an abrupt stop for a while. and then they move again. i think the system is that they come over lambeth bridge, this is for all of you watching, lots of you will be thinking, well, we are going tojoin the queue ourselves and come along. you will find you are curing on the south bank, you will come over albert —— lambeth bridge, and when you get to what we call victoria garden, on millbank, this little
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area of parkland on the thames, there you will be in that kind of gatwick airport kind of arrangement. you are coming through the zig—zag queue, which i am told is efficient, then you will come out to the houses of parliament yourself. when you are in this area, you are almost there, you are in reach. and then you can prepare yourself for the solemn moment when you enter westminster hall and you are able to walk past the coffin, and you are able to see the coffin, and you are able to see the imperial state crown, the orb and sceptre, and the vigil being maintained by embers of the armed forces, and you will be supervised by parliamentary staff. it will be a very special experience indeed. lets join my colleague once again. i am here with majorjohnny hathaway
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white. a hive of activity, as people recover from what is happening, and get ready for the next phase. can i ask you first of all, what has your role been? ! ask you first of all, what has your role been?— ask you first of all, what has your role been? ., , , ., , role been? i have been privileged as a ca tain role been? i have been privileged as a captain of— role been? i have been privileged as a captain of the _ role been? i have been privileged as a captain of the green's _ role been? i have been privileged as a captain of the green's personal i a captain of the green's personal company in the grenadier guards to present back to her the royal standard of the regiment, a very oversized, essentially a battle flag of yesteryear, which is granted to the regiment by the sovereign on their accession to the throne, never touched, never changed, never repaired, and is laid up on their demise. today, iwas repaired, and is laid up on their demise. today, i was fortunate, privileged and honoured enough to lay it on the catafalque, presented back to the sovereign that it served. . , ., back to the sovereign that it served. . ,, , back to the sovereign that it served. ., , ., , ., served. can you put your thoughts on that into words? _ served. can you put your thoughts on that into words? it _ served. can you put your thoughts on that into words? it is _ served. can you put your thoughts on that into words? it is very _ that into words? it is very difficult- _ that into words? it is very difficult. it— that into words? it is very difficult. it is _ that into words? it is very difficult. it is the - that into words? it is very difficult. it is the beating | that into words? it is very i difficult. it is the beating heart of the regiment, our duty to our sovereign and our nation. when you think over the conflicts the grenadier guards have fought in
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across the years, even in the last 70 years that her majesty has seen, all of that passion, loyalty and dedication is in that single colour. it is more than a piece of fabric, more than embroidery, it is the representative heart of the regiment, and our connection to the sovereign. to hand back to her was a huge privilege. t’ee sovereign. to hand back to her was a huge privilege-— huge privilege. i've heard a lovely anecdote, although _ huge privilege. i've heard a lovely anecdote, although you _ huge privilege. i've heard a lovely anecdote, although you are i huge privilege. i've heard a lovely anecdote, although you are a i huge privilege. i've heard a lovely i anecdote, although you are a major, you are referred to as the captain? it is a peculiarity, and it causes great confusion. when the regiment was formed by king charles ii, he had his loyal followers in exile was formed by king charles ii, he had his loyalfollowers in exile in bruges, and he formed a life guard, and he reserved for himself, for his own command, the first company. he became known as the kings own. it was gifted, an executive authority, to the captain lieutenant. 366 years later, we are still the captain of the queens company, is the sovereign is the company commander. i am her majesty's 30 —— 43rd and last
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captain. majesty's 30 -- 43rd and last ca tain. ., ., captain. you were in iraq in three da s captain. you were in iraq in three days ago? _ captain. you were in iraq in three days ago? that's _ captain. you were in iraq in three days ago? that's right, _ captain. you were in iraq in three days ago? that's right, when i captain. you were in iraq in three days ago? that's right, when the| captain. you were in iraq in three - days ago? that's right, when the sad news came through, _ days ago? that's right, when the sad news came through, queens - days ago? that's right, when the sad l news came through, queens company, ist battalion grenadier guards, they are deployed on operations in the middle east. there is no sure evidence of the twin roles as our being flown back through a predetermined and well executed plan, should this sad eventuality come to pass. within 2a hours, we were rehearsing, and that goes for the bearer party, the escort and key personalities within the company myself, to come back and honour the company commander.— company commander. soldiers first? indeed, soldiers _ company commander. soldiers first? indeed, soldiers first. _ company commander. soldiers first? indeed, soldiers first. but _ company commander. soldiers first? indeed, soldiers first. but this - company commander. soldiers first? indeed, soldiers first. but this is - indeed, soldiers first. but this is a sad, but proud and equally important duty for us.- a sad, but proud and equally important duty for us. thank you for s-ueakin important duty for us. thank you for speaking to — important duty for us. thank you for speaking to me- _ important duty for us. thank you for speaking to me. go _ important duty for us. thank you for speaking to me. go well— important duty for us. thank you for speaking to me. go well with - important duty for us. thank you for speaking to me. go well with the i speaking to me. go well with the rest of the ceremonies to come. many thanks, another guest who has
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really allowed us to understand a little more about how the event today has been put together, how it has worked, because it involved a lot of hard work over many years. before we chatted to robert and katie, who havejoined me once again in the studio, i thought we might want to reflect on how the events unfolded. let's look at this end may be listened to some of the music for just a few moments. the imperial state crown, which was glittering in the sunshine. the colours were so bold and vibrant. the music was glorious, majestic. the music was glorious, majestic. the deep beta, which we could feel in the airaround the deep beta, which we could feel in the air around us. —— deep beat.
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followed by the king and the senior members of the royal family. and it was a very memorable moment as they made their way along the mall. now, within moments we think that over at westminster hall the doors will be opened for the public to gain access, and to be able to see the remarkable solemnity of scene remarkable solemnity of that scene in westminster hall. just look at this. this ancient this. it is magical. this ancient space, built in 1097, william rufus. it has seen so many events of celebration and turbulence over the centuries. this is the space in
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which the queen's body is lying in state. what is happening today is that the royal household has transferred this responsibility to the state. we area we are a couple of minutes from the first members of public being allowed into westminster hall. you left us here an hour or so ago and politicians from westminster, the scottish parliament, the senedd and the northern ireland assembly filed past the coffin, along with the politicians, parliamentary staff and loyal and devoted members of queen's household. some bowed their head. some crossed themselves. some said a silent prayer. others wiped away a
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