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morning we will hear what she meant around the globe after seven decades and seven days of sights and sounds that will echo on the. choir sings.

this morning. we'll be joined by two prime ministers — new zealand's jacinda ardern. and by the prime minister of bangladesh, sheikh hasina. reflecting on his role in the proceedings and on the ongoing war in ukraine, the chief of the defence staff, sir tony radakin. and i've been speaking to a man who knew her majesty the queen and the new king charles iii well — former secretary of state now the united states' climate envoy, john kerry. we're live on bbc one and on the bbc around the world this morning. with me at the desk for the next hour, john sentamu, the former archbishop of york, who's been involved in the long planning for the state funeral. victoria newton, the editor in chief of the sun newspaper. and lindsay hoyle, the speaker of the house of commons, who's presided over much of this week's extraordinary ceremony in westminster. a very warm welcome to you, and especially to viewers on bbc world.

we'll talk this morning about the meticulous planning for the state funeral as the nation and countries right around the globe reflect on her late majesty. here's the front pages. one picture dominates — the queen's grandchildren standing vigil around her coffin yesterday. images now part of the collective memory after an extraordinary few days. archbishop sentamu, you have been talking about preparation since 2005. ~ ., been talking about preparation since 2005. . ., u, been talking about preparation since 2005. ., , been talking about preparation since 2005. ~ ., , . a been talking about preparation since 2005.~ ., , . a 2005. what can we expect? as soon i became a privy — 2005. what can we expect? as soon i became a privy counsellor, _ 2005. what can we expect? as soon i became a privy counsellor, it - 2005. what can we expect? as soon i became a privy counsellor, it was - became a privy counsellor, it was referred to as the london bridge and we knew what we were talking about.

and it is constantly reviewed. in consultation with the sovereign. i would expect some tweaking but for what it has been in the last almost 17 years it will be the same. what you will expect is the prayer book service. the words that were an inspiration, after shakespeare, and you will hear this wonderful english at its best. also, you will hear angelic voices of the acquire of the abbey plus the chapels royal. the queen does not and did not want long boring services. did queen does not and did not want long

boring services-_ boring services. did she say that to ou? boring services. did she say that to you? yes- — boring services. did she say that to you? yes- you _ boring services. did she say that to you? yes. you are _ boring services. did she say that to you? yes. you are not— boring services. did she say that to you? yes. you are not going - boring services. did she say that to you? yes. you are not going to - boring services. did she say that to | you? yes. you are not going to find boredom but— you? yes. you are not going to find boredom but you _ you? yes. you are not going to find boredom but you are _ you? yes. you are not going to find boredom but you are going - you? yes. you are not going to find boredom but you are going to - you? yes. you are not going to find boredom but you are going to be i boredom but you are going to be lifted really to glory as you hear the service being sung. i am expecting to hear what i have been reading over the past 17 years. you have been prepared, almost 20 years this has gone on?— this has gone on? yes. it was the there before _ this has gone on? yes. it was the there before but _ this has gone on? yes. it was the there before but whenever - this has gone on? yes. it was the there before but whenever there | this has gone on? yes. it was the l there before but whenever there is this has gone on? yes. it was the i there before but whenever there is a new archbishop, you always get to look at it and a revision of it. the hearts and people's cockles will be warned. this is a funeral service but glorious in its sentiment. ads, but glorious in its sentiment. a celebration as well as sadness. victoria, one thing a lot of members of the public have been pleased to see are these extraordinary images of prince william, prince harry

together. we can see again images of the grandchildren holding a vigil in westminster hall. what do you think it means to people? the westminster hall. what do you think it means to people?— it means to people? the nation was delirhted it means to people? the nation was delighted to — it means to people? the nation was delighted to see _ it means to people? the nation was delighted to see william _ it means to people? the nation was delighted to see william and - it means to people? the nation was delighted to see william and harry. delighted to see william and harry come together when they went to see flowers and well—wishers, and the incredible picture last night, reuniting for the sake of their grandmother, which they were both conscious of. they wanted to put aside differences and show they could do her proud and i think they have done that tremendously. the public are desperate to know if it means reconciliation in the long—term. we hope so but they have a lot of private discussions to have before that can happen. flan a lot of private discussions to have before that can happen.— a lot of private discussions to have before that can happen. can you give a flavour of — before that can happen. can you give a flavour of that _ before that can happen. can you give a flavour of that that _ before that can happen. can you give a flavour of that that you _ before that can happen. can you give a flavour of that that you are - before that can happen. can you give a flavour of that that you are aware l a flavour of that that you are aware of? , ., , , , , ., a flavour of that that you are aware of? , ., ,, ,, ., of? obviously, the issue of the book prince harry — of? obviously, the issue of the book prince harry is _ of? obviously, the issue of the book prince harry is writing _ of? obviously, the issue of the book prince harry is writing will— of? obviously, the issue of the book prince harry is writing will be - of? obviously, the issue of the book prince harry is writing will be at - prince harry is writing will be at the forefront of discussions. the royal family will want to feel

assured there will not be anything too negative in there so i think thatis too negative in there so i think that is a stumbling block but hopefully they can move on from it. they are keen it does not overshadow what is about the queen. mr speaker, ou have what is about the queen. mr speaker, you have been — what is about the queen. mr speaker, you have been at _ what is about the queen. mr speaker, you have been at the _ what is about the queen. mr speaker, you have been at the centre _ what is about the queen. mr speaker, you have been at the centre of- what is about the queen. mr speaker, you have been at the centre of the - you have been at the centre of the last days. what has it been like? it has been absolutely busy in the same way we _ has been absolutely busy in the same way we have been awaiting this moment— way we have been awaiting this moment we think will never come and when _ moment we think will never come and when it_ moment we think will never come and when it does— moment we think will never come and when it does arrive, it is amazing how everybody comes together. black rod takes _ how everybody comes together. black rod takes over. i have never seen the house — rod takes over. i have never seen the house as united in its grief us we have — the house as united in its grief us we have seen when the news came out. it we have seen when the news came out. it has _ we have seen when the news came out. it has changed the atmosphere completely. it has changed the atmosphere completely-— it has changed the atmosphere comletel. , ., ., , , . completely. there is normally such clamour and _ completely. there is normally such clamour and argument _ completely. there is normally such clamour and argument and - completely. there is normally such clamour and argument and conflict| clamour and argument and conflict and we can see you here in ceremonial robes, greeting the new king and the queen consort. what

ceremonial robes, greeting the new king and the queen consort. what was that like? it has _ king and the queen consort. what was that like? it has all— king and the queen consort. what was that like? it has all been _ king and the queen consort. what was that like? it has all been very - that like? it has all been very moving _ that like? it has all been very moving. you never tend to think about— moving. you never tend to think about things. you have to be there and get _ about things. you have to be there and get in — about things. you have to be there and get in position and the biggest worry— and get in position and the biggest worry is_ and get in position and the biggest worry is being in the right place at the right— worry is being in the right place at the right time. we are all united in grief, _ the right time. we are all united in grief, but — the right time. we are all united in grief, but the grief of the family, what _ grief, but the grief of the family, what they— grief, but the grief of the family, what they are suffering. we saw it with the _ what they are suffering. we saw it with the grandchildren last night. we can_ with the grandchildren last night. we can only imagine how terrible that news — we can only imagine how terrible that news was for them. it is bad for us _ that news was for them. it is bad for us and — that news was for them. it is bad for us and so much worse for the family _ for us and so much worse for the family. seeing the grandchildren last night. william and harry. to see how— last night. william and harry. to see how it— last night. william and harry. to see how it brought the family together. the fact my grandchildren are with _ together. the fact my grandchildren are with me this weekend shows what they were _ are with me this weekend shows what they were feeling watching that. it is very— they were feeling watching that. it is very moving. all of us are so respectful, _ is very moving. all of us are so respectful, the dignity shown by the rovat— respectful, the dignity shown by the royal family. and behind that is real grief— royal family. and behind that is real grief and real grief that has brought— real grief and real grief that has brought the country together in the

same _ brought the country together in the same way — brought the country together in the same way. we brought the country together in the same wa . ~ . , ., brought the country together in the samewa. . , , same way. we have seen a country t in: to same way. we have seen a country trying to share — same way. we have seen a country trying to share in — same way. we have seen a country trying to share in that _ same way. we have seen a country trying to share in that with - trying to share in that with thousands coming to london to queue up thousands coming to london to queue up for a chance of paying respects to the queen. we can see pictures this morning. thousands and thousands of people coming to see, prepared to spend more than 20 hours queueing. that is the scene inside westminster hall where people are filing through for their chance to have their own moment to pay their individual respects to her majesty. people lining up to do that this morning. you will have seen incredible images of what has been happening in london. notjust members of the public waiting patiently in line but also members of the military. sometimes rehearsing under cover of darkness.

there are more than 4,000 soldiers involved in putting on a display of respect, that will be one of the biggest moments of the 21st century. the man in charge of that aspect is sir tony radakin, there are more than 4,000 soldiers involved in putting the chief of the defence staff, who is here. the queen's funeral is a huge occasion and solemn occasion for the armed forces. can you give a sense of the scale of this? it is enormous, _ of the scale of this? it is enormous, larger - of the scale of this? it is enormous, larger than l of the scale of this? it is i enormous, larger than you of the scale of this? it 3 enormous, larger than you said. over 10,000 people in terms of soldiers, sailors and aviators. about 6000 as part of the procession and lining the route, both in london and windsor. it is an enormous support effort. as you heard, the planning has gone on a long time and we have the plans and have to execute them. and there are brilliant people enabling that. it is a coming

together, as well. the army, royal navy, air force and civil servants. we are helping other people in london. the emergency services and some of the volunteers say that this is a sombre occasion but done with respect and also the affection i think is out there and we want to represent the nation. aha, think is out there and we want to represent the nation.— think is out there and we want to represent the nation. a huge event and so much _ represent the nation. a huge event and so much planning _ represent the nation. a huge event and so much planning and - and so much planning and preparation. are you nervous about it going smoothly?— it going smoothly? there is always an element — it going smoothly? there is always an element of— it going smoothly? there is always an element of apprehension - it going smoothly? there is always an element of apprehension but i it going smoothly? there is always| an element of apprehension but we have brilliant people that help at every level. so some generals that have planned this a long time. we have planned this a long time. we have warrant officers and non—commissioned officers that look at the precise execution, and that is at my level and all the way down. there is a wonderful man, the garrison sergeant major, mr vernon stokes, and on friday, and at

rehearsal, he asked the chiefs to up their game. we have been told to listen to a metronome at 75 beats per minute so you might see people walking around london so we get the right rhythm for the funeral procession. you have young soldiers, great stories. a young lady on an aeroplane to go to cyprus on thursday. she heard the news about the queen's death. she held up the plane so she could get her luggage. a member of the royal horse artillery. she got to london and then she could take part in the gun salute you showed at the beginning of the programme. so a lot of moving stories where people are doing their duty and showing commitment to her majesty the queen and, importantly, his majesty king charles. find majesty the queen and, importantly, his majesty king charles.— his ma'esty king charles. and even one of his majesty king charles. and even one of the members _ his majesty king charles. and even one of the members of— his majesty king charles. and even one of the members of your i his majesty king charles. and even| one of the members of your military staff making you practise marching

at the right place. we staff making you practise marching at the right place.— at the right place. we need it. all of us, this — at the right place. we need it. all of us. this is _ at the right place. we need it. all of us, this is our— at the right place. we need it. all of us, this is our last _ at the right place. we need it. all of us, this is our last duty i at the right place. we need it. all of us, this is our last duty for- at the right place. we need it. all of us, this is our last duty for herj of us, this is our last duty for her majesty the queen. it is our first prominent duty for his majesty king charles. we are representing the nation, mothers, grandmothers, fathers, friends. and everybody is very aware of them. you fathers, friends. and everybody is very aware of them.— very aware of them. you say the state funeral— very aware of them. you say the state funeral is _ very aware of them. you say the state funeral is the _ very aware of them. you say the state funeral is the last - very aware of them. you say the state funeral is the last duty i very aware of them. you say the state funeral is the last duty forj state funeral is the last duty for her late majesty the queen. you are one of the people who gave your own vigil standing by her coffin. we can see that now. what went through your mind? it see that now. what went through your mind? . . see that now. what went through your mind? , ., ., ., ., mind? it is a huge honour and privilege- _ mind? it is a huge honour and privilege. the _ mind? it is a huge honour and privilege. the first _ mind? it is a huge honour and privilege. the first time i mind? it is a huge honour and privilege. the first time the i mind? it is a huge honour and i privilege. the first time the chiefs have done that. there is a mixture of emotions. my view of the hall is this sense of respect fullness that

the public coming through and paying their private respects. and our contribution to that. at the heart of it is remembering there is a grieving family. and so there is solemnity and precision about what you are doing, and a need to concentrate, to stay still for 20 minutes. it is also an act of reflection and my personal part was reflecting on her majesty the queen, several audiences i was privileged to have earned the sense of gratitude, gratitude for what she provided to our nation, and trying to express that with love and affection you are seeing throughout the country. affection you are seeing throughout the count . affection you are seeing throughout the country-— affection you are seeing throughout the count . , , ., the country. one thing she provided to the nation _ the country. one thing she provided to the nation was _ the country. one thing she provided to the nation was decades _ the country. one thing she provided to the nation was decades of i to the nation was decades of experience and she was a monarch who served. to the military, how much

does her experience mean? and as the crown has passed to king charles, do you think you will miss her level of experience? i you think you will miss her level of exoerience?_ experience? i think there is a ersonal experience? i think there is a personal and _ experience? i think there is a personal and professional i personal and professional relationship with her majesty and the royal family. her majesty was the royal family. her majesty was the daughter of a naval officer and she married a naval officer, her children were naval officers, her grandchildren served. as she served herself. but we have this professional relationship with her as commander—in—chief. and this extraordinary length of her reign and perspective it enabled her to give people like me. we are incredibly fortunate with king charles he has perspective gained over 50 years, meeting so many international leaders, and i think thatis international leaders, and i think that is helpfulfor international leaders, and i think that is helpful for people in my role, and for others at heads of the service. ., , , ._

i know you will not be able to divulge what the conversation was like, but how would you describe that relationship? how will it work and what does he have to offer? king charles met — and what does he have to offer? if; “i; charles met with and what does he have to offer? if; “i; charles met with all of the heads of the armed forces yesterday and we are fortunate, he knows us all, we already have a relationship with him. that was an opportunity for us to express our condolences, but also, from my position, to express the extraordinary richness of the condolences from the chiefs of defence across the world. that i still think, even though it seems plain to lots of us, i think when you are the grieving monarch, but still has a richness and is quite staggering for his majesty in terms of what he has seen in terms of this

global response to her majesty's death. global response to her ma'esty's death. . , ., , global response to her ma'esty's death. . , ., death. the military has woven throurh death. the military has woven through the — death. the military has woven through the family's _ death. the military has woven through the family's history i death. the military has woven i through the family's history and modern life too and prince harry was allowed to wear his military uniform at the vigil last night even though he is not now a working royal. what does it mean to people who have served to be able to wear the uniform at a time like this? i served to be able to wear the uniform at a time like this? i think it is a sense _ uniform at a time like this? i think it is a sense of _ uniform at a time like this? i think it is a sense of pride _ uniform at a time like this? i think it is a sense of pride and - uniform at a time like this? i think it is a sense of pride and it i uniform at a time like this? i think it is a sense of pride and it is i it is a sense of pride and it is that expression of having served their country and having served their country and having served their monarch and that is what is very special. you saw that last night with the queen's grandchildren and you will see it with the funeral tomorrow. people will be as proud as punch to be part of the funeral but want to do it in such precise and affectionate way to reflect their allegiance to his majesty the king and the reflection to this amazing

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defeated earlier on. we saw he wanted to weaken nato, nato is now much stronger and we have finland and swedenjoining. he wanted to break the international resolve. actually, that strengthened over this period. he is under pressure, his problems are mounting, he has always had a problem in terms of crewing the equipment he has got. he has not got sufficient manpower. his forces are thin on the ground. we are seeing a magnificent ukrainian armed forces, courageous, fighting for their country, and they have embraced international support all of us are providing and it is having an effect on the ground. but it is more of the same, at a strategic level, this is a failure for putin and ukraine is fighting to maintain their integrity and get more of their integrity and get more of their country back. do their integrity and get more of their country back.— their integrity and get more of their country back. do you think this is a turning _ their country back. do you think this is a turning point _ their country back. do you think this is a turning point that i their country back. do you think this is a turning point that sets | this is a turning point that sets ukraine on a path to a victory and russia losing and putin potentially

losing his power? we russia losing and putin potentially losing his power?— russia losing and putin potentially losing his power? we have to be very cautious. losing his power? we have to be very cautious- it — losing his power? we have to be very cautious- it is — losing his power? we have to be very cautious. it is significant _ losing his power? we have to be very cautious. it is significant in _ losing his power? we have to be very cautious. it is significant in terms i cautious. it is significant in terms of what is happening on the ground, really significant for ukrainian morale and significant for the impact on russian forces. but people need to be cautious. the likely result is it will grind on for a long time and that is why... there is a wish fullness when people jump to conclusions, that either president putin is weak and power base might be undermined, or ukraine has gained ground. magnificent action in the north—east. but it does not automatically lead on two easy victories elsewhere. you are saying that in the south with the fight over kherson. d0 saying that in the south with the fight over kherson.— saying that in the south with the fight over kherson. do the losses make it more _ fight over kherson. do the losses make it more likely _ fight over kherson. do the losses make it more likely vladimir i fight over kherson. do the losses | make it more likely vladimir putin might do something almost unthinkable, turned to using tactical nuclear weapons? latte unthinkable, turned to using tactical nuclear weapons? we have to be very balanced _ tactical nuclear weapons? we have to be very balanced about _ tactical nuclear weapons? we have to be very balanced about talk _ tactical nuclear weapons? we have to be very balanced about talk of i be very balanced about talk of escalation. we monitor it very carefully. we do not see anything at

this stage that alarms us. we have to understand that, should putin escalate, it creates problems for him as well. again, i would offer caution and avoid jumping to conclusions or that something rash is going to happen. we conclusions or that something rash is going to happen-— is going to happen. we must take ireat care is going to happen. we must take great care with — is going to happen. we must take great care with that, _ is going to happen. we must take great care with that, you - is going to happen. we must take| great care with that, you suggest. on a final note, we are seeing in the city one of —— one of the cities ukraine has taken back, terrible evidence of war crimes, can you tell us what has happened there and is it evidence of war crimes? the us what has happened there and is it evidence of war crimes?— evidence of war crimes? the formal declaration — evidence of war crimes? the formal declaration of— evidence of war crimes? the formal declaration of war _ evidence of war crimes? the formal declaration of war crimes _ evidence of war crimes? the formal declaration of war crimes needs i evidence of war crimes? the formal declaration of war crimes needs to l declaration of war crimes needs to come about from a more thorough investigation. but it is a pattern of behaviour. it was an illegal invasion of ukraine from the outset. it is illegal to attack civilians. the dam that was attacked a few days

ago, in the hometown of ware president zelensky comes from, it is an illegal act. the attacks on electricity generation, those are illegal acts. what we saw in bucha are illegal acts. it is a pattern of behaviour and the international community needs to hold russia and president putin to account. sir community needs to hold russia and president putin to account.— president putin to account. sir tony radakin, thank _ president putin to account. sir tony radakin, thank you _ president putin to account. sir tony radakin, thank you for _ president putin to account. sir tony radakin, thank you for coming i president putin to account. sir tony radakin, thank you for coming in, l president putin to account. sir tony i radakin, thank you for coming in, we wish you all the best for tomorrow's events. there are plenty of people to impress, leaders from right around the world, some 500 dignitaries have flown in from every corner of the globe. of course, many from the commonwealth. the organisation the queen believed in, led and promoted. one diplomat told me, everyone wants to come to her

majesty's funeral because she is one of the family. there is a sense of belonging. one of them zealand's prime ministerjacinda ardern who met the new king yesterday and she is in the studio today. thank you for coming in. what is it like being part of this massive event? mr; is it like being part of this massive event? g ., ., ., massive event? my overriding emotion is how humbling _ massive event? my overriding emotion is how humbling it _ massive event? my overriding emotion is how humbling it is _ massive event? my overriding emotion is how humbling it is because - massive event? my overriding emotion is how humbling it is because of- massive event? my overriding emotion is how humbling it is because of the i is how humbling it is because of the sheer scale and it is so obviously such a historic moment, moment in time, that so few of us will ever have the opportunity to see and experience. feel very privileged to be here at all let alone representing new zealand. he be here at all let alone representing new zealand. be here at all let alone re - resentinr new zealand. representing new zealand. he met the new kinr representing new zealand. he met the new king yesterday. — representing new zealand. he met the new king yesterday, what _ representing new zealand. he met the new king yesterday, what did - representing new zealand. he met the new king yesterday, what did he i representing new zealand. he met the new king yesterday, what did he say i new king yesterday, what did he say to you, if we can ask? i b�*n�*iiiii new king yesterday, what did he say to you, if we can ask?— to you, if we can ask? i will keep my comments — to you, if we can ask? i will keep my comments very _ to you, if we can ask? i will keep my comments very general i to you, if we can ask? i will keep i my comments very general because we always try to keep in close confidence conversations we are lucky enough to have with his majesty, but the overriding settlement was the gratitude for the

great effort people were putting into coming and paying respects —— the overriding sentiment. notjust leaders, but people. you could see it meant a huge amount to see the outpouring of people's love and affection. ., ., ., ., affection. you were a part of that, ou went affection. you were a part of that, you went to _ affection. you were a part of that, you went to westminster - affection. you were a part of that, you went to westminster hall i affection. you were a part of that, you went to westminster hall to l affection. you were a part of that, i you went to westminster hall to see the lying in state yourself, what was going through your mind at that moment to pay your own tribute but to be among thousands of people? the sheer to be among thousands of people? ire sheer silence of that space is i think one of the things that makes it so moving. but alongside that, observing as you do you are standing there alongside members of the public who have queued and waited as much as 20 plus hours to share the same moment you are having, amongst everything else, i think the thing i will take away from this period is just the beauty of the public�*s

response, the kindness you see from members of the public. the patients, the, rodri. that has been for me the most moving tribute of all, the public response —— the patience, the camaraderie. fire public response -- the patience, the camaraderie-— camaraderie. are you surprised by what ou camaraderie. are you surprised by what you see? _ camaraderie. are you surprised by what you see? it _ camaraderie. are you surprised by what you see? it does _ camaraderie. are you surprised by what you see? it does not - camaraderie. are you surprised by| what you see? it does not surprise me at all- — what you see? it does not surprise me at all- i — what you see? it does not surprise me at all. ithink— what you see? it does not surprise me at all. i think what _ what you see? it does not surprise me at all. i think what it _ what you see? it does not surprise me at all. i think what it does, - what you see? it does not surprise me at all. i think what it does, the j me at all. i think what it does, the sense of contrast, i have seen what london looks like day to day and feels like day to day, the hustle and bustle. to see it stand still, but so far erratically, a very moving thing to witness. it is also the most fitting tribute i can think of. the queen was here for her people. of. the queen was here for her --eole. h, of. the queen was here for her --eole. , , people. -- so poetically. let us talk about _ people. -- so poetically. let us talk about your _ people. -- so poetically. let us talk about your relationship - people. -- so poetically. let us| talk about your relationship with the queen. you first met her in 2018. we can see a picture of you meeting herfor the

2018. we can see a picture of you meeting her for the first time, you are expecting your first child. quite pregnant, as you can see. [30 quite pregnant, as you can see. do ou quite pregnant, as you can see. do you remember what she said to you? i remember the first conversation we had before the reception, we had a conversation between her and myself and my partner. i asked her, for instance, one of the things on my mind alongside being a nearby minister, being a prime minister and a mother. when you think about leaders in that position, there was benazir bhutto, myself, but before that, there was the queen. so few to look too. i said, how did you manage? shejust said, well, you just get on with it. that was probably the best and most i think factual advice i could have. you do, you take every day as it comes, and she did. i have such respect for her

because i see now what it takes to because i see now what it takes to be a mum and a leader and she did it more times over than i. you be a mum and a leader and she did it more times over than i.— more times over than i. you have exwessed — more times over than i. you have exaressed great _ more times over than i. you have expressed great affection - more times over than i. you have expressed great affection for - more times over than i. you have expressed great affection for the | expressed great affection for the queen, but in terms of the relationship between our two countries, there were occasionally protest when she visited new zealand years ago and you say now it is inevitable new zealand will become a republic in your lifetime. why do you say that? i republic in your lifetime. why do you say that?— republic in your lifetime. why do ou sa that? ~ ,, you say that? i think even the queen herself has observed _ you say that? i think even the queen herself has observed and _ herself has observed and acknowledged the evolution over time in our relationships. in fact, when she came to new zealand several decades ago, she herself acknowledged the treaty between indigenous new zealanders and the crown had been perfectly observed. that simple observation is still spoken of today because it demonstrated she was reflecting back her observation of the reality of new zealanders' lives. certainly, this is simply my observation, my

observation is there will continue to be an evolution in our relationship. i do not believe it will be quick or soon. but over the course of my lifetime. but will be quick or soon. but over the course of my lifetime.— course of my lifetime. but how, then, course of my lifetime. but how, then. and _ course of my lifetime. but how, then, and when? _ course of my lifetime. but how, then, and when? one _ course of my lifetime. but how, then, and when? one thing - course of my lifetime. but how, then, and when? one thing to l course of my lifetime. but how, i then, and when? one thing to say, you feel that is the sense of direction, but how and when? this is for new zealand _ direction, but how and when? this is for new zealand a _ direction, but how and when? this is for new zealand a major _ for new zealand a major consideration. we have complex arrangements. the treaty, a very important founding document for new zealand, signed between maori and the crown. that is why it is not a process i have any intent of instigating. but if and when it does occur, it will take time and need to be very carefully worked through. [30 be very carefully worked through. do you understand why some countries are quite intent on breaking or certainly loosening their ties more quickly than that? quite a strong sentiment in some parts of the

commonwealth. i sentiment in some parts of the commonwealth.— sentiment in some parts of the commonwealth. i am simply an observer of _ commonwealth. i am simply an observer of that _ commonwealth. i am simply an observer of that and _ commonwealth. i am simply an observer of that and it - commonwealth. i am simply an observer of that and it will - commonwealth. i am simply an observer of that and it will be i commonwealth. i am simply an l observer of that and it will be for each leader and country to determine their own trajectory. my observation of the relationship is that is not necessarily unexpected. this is an evolution. what will remain important as there will still be bonds between us as commonwealth nations and are still things to be gained through those relationships. do you think the queen's passing will loosen the links? she saw so much change but many of the connections between her and commonwealth countries were ones she encouraged, do you think are passing we can start?— we can start? from the perspective of new zealand, _ we can start? from the perspective of new zealand, i _ we can start? from the perspective of new zealand, i can _ we can start? from the perspective of new zealand, i can only - we can start? from the perspective of new zealand, i can only give - we can start? from the perspective of new zealand, i can only give an| of new zealand, i can only give an observation, a very close affinity and affection for her late majesty, but an observation as king charles has visited new zealand as many times, he is well known in new zealand, he shares many passions and interests new zealanders do and i think it means that relationship

already exists. it is a transition, but not a jarring transition for new zealand. but not a 'arring transition for new zealand. ., ., ,., , i. ., zealand. one of the reasons you are well known — zealand. one of the reasons you are well known here _ zealand. one of the reasons you are well known here is _ zealand. one of the reasons you are well known here is that _ zealand. one of the reasons you are well known here is that in _ zealand. one of the reasons you are well known here is that in the - zealand. one of the reasons you are well known here is that in the covid | well known here is that in the covid pandemic, you click a very hard line on lockdown and closing the borders. i know the queen would call you sometimes to talk in the pandemic. we can see a photograph of you having a conversation with her in that period. across the world and in the uk, some leaders are starting to reassess some of the harsher measures used in the pandemic, have you reassessed the decisions you made in your approach? now the only restrictions are masks and if you have covid to stay at home. i and if you have covid to stay at home. ., , , and if you have covid to stay at home. . , , ., home. i am sure there will be a eriod home. i am sure there will be a period of— home. i am sure there will be a period of reflection. _ home. i am sure there will be a period of reflection. our - home. i am sure there will be a | period of reflection. our borders are open for any with that question in their minds. for reflection for leaders around the world, what is

the best response? we will go through that process. we have to be willing to look at every decision as we go, and we did as we went through the pandemic. but i still believe we made the best decisions we could with information we had. we wanted to save lives and evidence shows we did relative to save a country relative of the size of scotland. there were thousands of deaths sadly in new zealand. rsum there were thousands of deaths sadly in new zealand.— in new zealand. our new prime minister here _ in new zealand. our new prime minister here said _ in new zealand. our new prime minister here said she - in new zealand. our new prime minister here said she would i in new zealand. our new prime i minister here said she would never lockdown again. for you, minister here said she would never lockdown again. foryou, if minister here said she would never lockdown again. for you, if we end in a situation everyone wants to avoid with another pandemic, would lock and border control the tools you would consider? i do lock and border control the tools you would consider?— lock and border control the tools you would consider? i do not see that as the _ you would consider? i do not see that as the trajectory _ you would consider? i do not see that as the trajectory of - you would consider? i do not see that as the trajectory of the - that as the trajectory of the pandemic any more. we see no scenario that would [end pandemic any more. we see no scenario that would lend itself to that. we use lockdown as a tool while we waited for people to be vaccinated so we could save lives and then we began a series of shifts

to open ourselves back up again and it has worked. we saved thousands of lives. no response was without pain. in the uk you had lockdowns and lives lost and in new zealand, we were lockdown fewer days and saved many lives. i am were lockdown fewer days and saved many lives. iam proud were lockdown fewer days and saved many lives. i am proud of new zealand's response.— many lives. i am proud of new zealand's response. finally, as you are here for — zealand's response. finally, as you are here for the _ zealand's response. finally, as you are here for the enormous - zealand's response. finally, as you are here for the enormous event i are here for the enormous event tomorrow with other world leaders, it is written in this event is so enormous, you will have to take a bus to get there, apart from the american president, joe biden. have you thought about that, you you you will sit next? i you thought about that, you you you will sit next?— will sit next? i am kind of interested _ will sit next? i am kind of interested there - will sit next? i am kind of interested there is - will sit next? i am kind of interested there is so - will sit next? i am kind of. interested there is so much will sit next? i am kind of- interested there is so much fuss about a bus. i do not think the bus warrant so much fuss. when we came here we used buses for transport. in new zealand i regularly get

ministers to and a van. it makes good sense. ministers to and a van. it makes good sense-— ministers to and a van. it makes good sense. ministers to and a van. it makes aood sense. ~ ., ., . ., , good sense. who do you want to sit next to? will— good sense. who do you want to sit next to? will you _ good sense. who do you want to sit next to? will you be _ good sense. who do you want to sit next to? will you be told? - good sense. who do you want to sit| next to? will you be told? obviously next to? will you be told? obviously next to? will you be told? obviously next to my partner. _ next to? will you be told? obviously next to my partner. thank _ next to? will you be told? obviously next to my partner. thank you - next to? will you be told? obviously next to my partner. thank you so - next to my partner. thank you so much. take good care. thank you. listening to that was victoria newton, john sentamu and lindsay hoyle. victoria, we heard great affection for the late queen. but also an acknowledgement the relationship between the monarchy and the rest of the world will evolve. she between the monarchy and the rest of the world will evolve.— the world will evolve. she is talkin: the world will evolve. she is talking clearly _ the world will evolve. she is talking clearly about - the world will evolve. she is l talking clearly about evolution the world will evolve. she is - talking clearly about evolution not a revolution. it is obvious things will not stay the way they are but interesting she does not plan to instigate any process. as she points out, king charles has been there many times. i am sure we will see

either the king, the prince of wales, shooting out to new zealand and australia and the realms, to shore them up in the short—term. we shore them up in the short-term. we will shore them up in the short—term. we will have an extraordinary spectacle with the foreign leaders here. the most senior in theory president biden who arrived last night. lindsay hoyle, we saw a story in the sunday times talking about diplomatic prettiness when you are just simply trying to manage these important people. what has that been like? it important people. what has that been like? . , , important people. what has that been like? ., , ,., . important people. what has that been like? , . ., , like? it has been important to try to ensure we _ like? it has been important to try to ensure we get _ like? it has been important to try to ensure we get it _ like? it has been important to try to ensure we get it right - like? it has been important to try to ensure we get it right and - like? it has been important to try to ensure we get it right and it i like? it has been important to try to ensure we get it right and it is| to ensure we get it right and it is about showing respect and dignity and doing it in the right way. we should not allow anything to overshadow the most important event the world will see and that is the funeral of her majesty. and the passing of her majesty that has brought people together. we should not be distracted. i think that is the problem we are seeing. people

always want a different story. i want to keep focused. this is about the royal family. this is about their grief. this is about the people of this country coming together to pay their respects. none more so than yesterday when we had the overseas territories in. the premieres, governors, coming as one together to pay respects. it shows you the commonwealth has done the same. people who will be there at the funeral. but we will not be distracted by stories. i am very focused and remain focused until monday, and then we will see the politics coming back to the house of commons then.— commons then. politics has been suspended _ commons then. politics has been suspended pretty _ commons then. politics has been suspended pretty much. - commons then. politics has been suspended pretty much. what - commons then. politics has been suspended pretty much. what do| commons then. politics has been - suspended pretty much. what do you think it means in the representation of the leaders coming in? i think it means in the representation of the leaders coming in?— of the leaders coming in? i think it represents — of the leaders coming in? i think it represents her _ of the leaders coming in? i think it represents her majesty _ of the leaders coming in? i think it represents her majesty the - of the leaders coming in? i think it represents her majesty the queen of the leaders coming in? i think it - represents her majesty the queen was very successful, first of all, in

turning — very successful, first of all, in turning the empire into a commonwealth of nations. 54 of them. she has— commonwealth of nations. 54 of them. she has managed to steer all of these _ she has managed to steer all of these nations so they become, really. — these nations so they become, really. a — these nations so they become, really, a community of nations that work, _ really, a community of nations that work. but _ really, a community of nations that work, but also not ignoring the other_ work, but also not ignoring the other countries, the united states, not in _ other countries, the united states, not in the _ other countries, the united states, not in the commonwealth. her greatest — not in the commonwealth. her greatest legacy is how do you turn an empire — greatest legacy is how do you turn an empire into nations of equal status? — an empire into nations of equal status? knowing that she is still going _ status? knowing that she is still going to — status? knowing that she is still going to be the head of the commonwealth. so will prince charles be commonwealth. so will prince charles he head _ commonwealth. so will prince charles he head of— commonwealth. so will prince charles be head of the commonwealth. all of them are _ be head of the commonwealth. all of them are wanting to come because they have — them are wanting to come because they have this care and love they have _ they have this care and love they have received from the queen. i have been to— have received from the queen. i have been to new— have received from the queen. i have been to new zealand four times, invited _ been to new zealand four times, invited by— been to new zealand four times, invited by the archbishop. and what i have _ invited by the archbishop. and what i have seen— invited by the archbishop. and what i have seen there, particularly in

new_ i have seen there, particularly in new zealand, with the moari and all the trouble is, he has managed to say we _ the trouble is, he has managed to say we have different histories, but what unites us is the human race. and because of that, one human race nreans_ and because of that, one human race means we _ and because of that, one human race means we can begin to talk to one another— means we can begin to talk to one another and be with one another. i have _ another and be with one another. i have no— another and be with one another. i have no doubt king charles iii will do the _ have no doubt king charles iii will do the same. have no doubt king charles iii will do the same-— have no doubt king charles iii will do the same. there are diplomatic tensions. do the same. there are diplomatic tensions- mr— do the same. there are diplomatic tensions. mr speaker, _ do the same. there are diplomatic tensions. mr speaker, this - do the same. there are diplomatic tensions. mr speaker, this week i do the same. there are diplomatic i tensions. mr speaker, this week one thing discussed, and the sunday telegraph has written about it this morning, senior conservatives like sheikh sir iain duncan smith, with dignitaries paying respect to her majesty. it is said you were lent on to let people come in from the chinese delegation? i to let people come in from the

chinese delegation?— to let people come in from the chinese delegation? i could not say, no one has — chinese delegation? i could not say, no one has been _ chinese delegation? i could not say, no one has been leaning _ chinese delegation? i could not say, no one has been leaning on - chinese delegation? i could not say, no one has been leaning on me. - chinese delegation? i could not say, no one has been leaning on me. my| no one has been leaning on me. my view is the same. we would not welcome a reception in parliament, and that is when i stopped the ambassador and accredited chinese from coming into the house of commons. to hold a reception in the house of commons when mps and appear is sanctioned is not acceptable. my view remains the same and nothing is changed. this is not about the politics. this is about the grief we all share, politics. this is about the grief we allshare, ratherthan politics. this is about the grief we all share, rather than being overshadowed. i repeat, the sanction against accredited officials remains in place and will remain so. there is an easy answer. lift the sanction, we can then look to see whether we should have a reception in parliament, but this will not happen at the moment. that in parliament, but this will not happen at the moment. that is clear. thank you- — happen at the moment. that is clear. thank you. victoria, _ happen at the moment. that is clear. thank you. victoria, by _ happen at the moment. that is clear. thank you. victoria, by a _ happen at the moment. that is clear. thank you. victoria, by a remarkable| thank you. victoria, by a remarkable coincidence, you were with king

charles on his last day as prince of wales at dumfries house in scotland and we can see you meeting him there. ~ ., ., , , and we can see you meeting him there. . . . , , . , and we can see you meeting him there. . . . ,, . there. what happened? it was a long-standing — there. what happened? it was a long-standing commitment - there. what happened? it was a l long-standing commitment when there. what happened? it was a - long-standing commitment when he long—standing commitment when he kindly agreed to film for awards we have to honour workers in the nhs and agreed to award a doctor who did not know she was going to win. i have met him a few times and he was under strain, have met him a few times and he was understrain, not have met him a few times and he was under strain, not his usual self. normally going around with jokes and fun. he was definitely stressed but incredibly polite but what a mark of the man that he did not cancel arrangements, working farm the morning with meetings, during filming, and hosting a dinner in the evening. obviously he did not know what would happen next day but he must have known she was unwell but he went ahead with that so incredibly impressed. knowing him throu . h incredibly impressed. knowing him through that _ incredibly impressed. knowing him through that contact, _ incredibly impressed. knowing him through that contact, how- incredibly impressed. knowing him through that contact, how do - incredibly impressed. knowing him through that contact, how do you | through that contact, how do you expect his monarchy might look

different and does it have to evolve? i different and does it have to evolve? ., , different and does it have to evolve? . , ., evolve? i am sure it will evolve naturally- _ evolve? i am sure it will evolve naturally. there _ evolve? i am sure it will evolve naturally. there will _ evolve? i am sure it will evolve naturally. there will be - evolve? i am sure it will evolve i naturally. there will be discussion about a slimmed down monarchy and what it means and what roles prince andrew may or may not have. speculation about that so i think he will clear that up. the other thing they will have to do and look at is leading into the cost of living crisis. he takes over as we go through this incredibly tough time. the royal family need to show they are in touch with people and care, so when there are questions about the finances of the royal family there is an opportunity to do good work. we can see thousands of people cominu work. we can see thousands of people comin: to work. we can see thousands of people coming to london _ work. we can see thousands of people coming to london to pay _ work. we can see thousands of people coming to london to pay their- work. we can see thousands of people coming to london to pay their own - coming to london to pay their own tribute in these cues. and that certainly suggests public support has been intense and warm and on a grand scale. what do you think the lasting effects will be? as victoria suggests, a lot of people living in tough times at the moment. how do

you think the royal family will accommodate that, relate to that? her majesty the queen quoted churchill, saying the far back you look, the more likely you are to move forward. if you look back to the second world war, the queen was involved mending vehicles. to where we have got to now, this country is in a stronger place both in england, scotland, wales and northern ireland. it is a much stronger and wealthy country than it was. i want to suggest that what the queen has left, 70 years of dedicated service, and, for her, the christian faith, particularly the example ofjesus, modelled her leadership as one of service and duty. we need to learn

from her as the four nations that we can do the same. i should look to my neighbour and try to help and support. not only that the government does this thing. in the words of kennedy, don't ask what the nation can do for you, ask what you can do for the nation. what should i do to help people in this kind of living crisis? also sometimes we can overstate things. the good thing about her majesty the queen, she always understated, even in grave difficulties. ih always understated, even in grave difficulties. , , difficulties. in the papers there are sins difficulties. in the papers there are signs of — difficulties. in the papers there are signs of other _ difficulties. in the papers there are signs of other news - difficulties. in the papers there i are signs of other news returning. talk of tax cuts. what the government will do about energy bills. and a story about the chief of staff of liz truss involved in an fbi inquiry. next week we will be back to the normal thrash of news and at the labour party conference,

interviewing the party leader keir starmer but this morning we concentrate on her late majesty, who reign spanned decades of change, change she said had become the constant. one of the commonwealth countries that has seen turbulence and transformation is bangladesh. prime minister sheikh hasina's father was the founder of independent bangladesh, and it retained ties to the uk with the queen visiting on several occasions. i spoke to sheikh hasina about her memories of the queen and about the commonwealth. the queen, yes, she is queen of the united kingdom, no doubt about it. but she was the leader of the commonwealth, also. so as a member commonwealth country, she had good value to us,

and not only that she, well, 70 years she was the monarch. and i feel, in this world, she was not only a queen, but a very affectionate, motherly personality. whenever i met her, i felt that. what are your personal memories of her? 1961, when she visited east pakistan. i had the opportunity to see her. because we were very young, and my father's office, we went there because we knew that she was passing through that road. so all of us, the whole family, we are waiting at the window with binoculars, so we can see her more.

when i became prime minister, so i met her, i attended about seven commonwealth summits. so every time, i had this opportunity to talk to her, meeting her. and, also, during the olympic games, she invited me. i came here. that was a very good opportunity. for long time, we discussed. so you met her many times over the decades, as a child, in yourfather�*s office, then as prime minister, and then at many commonwealth summits. so she was part of your life for many decades? and she has a wonderful memory, you know that. if she did not see me, she would say, "where is hasina? i don't see her." and how important is the commonwealth to you and to bangladesh? of course, when we are together, there are many opportunities there. it is good and important that,

yes, we have one place where we can exchange our views, where we can adapt to some ideas or we can deliver a good job for the country or the people. so that is why i feel it is good. now, at present, you see that one country cannot go alone. it is an interdependent world. so, in this circumstance, the commonwealth means a lot for the member countries. each country can work together, then we can support our downtrodden people. because there are many countries, there are developed countries, there are developing countries and there are poor countries. small island countries. and your country and the uk have a special relationship. many bangladeshis have since come to the uk and made their life here. but the late queen's high commissioner to your country called on your government to commit

to a free and fair process for next year's elections. will you commit to that? look, in my country, we had a military rulerfor a long time, directly or indirectly. 1975, when my father was assassinated, he was the president of the country. and my family, my mother, my brothers, sister—in—laws, and other family members, including 18 members were killed. since then, for 21 years, time and again, there is a coup d'etat in our country. several times. around 20 times, there was an attempted coup. so every time there is bloodshed. and there is no democracy. no democratic right. so i struggled for establishing democracy in my country.

but there are both the united nations and the queen's commissioner, the queen's high commissioner, who did call on your government to commit to a free and fair process, and the united nations have spoken about allegations of disappearances. many people can place allegations, but how far it is true, you have tojudge. no one should make any comment because, in our country... i told you, military rulers ruled the country. they form parties. they never go to the people and ask for a vote for them. they use the army, use the administration, use everything just to remain in power. only during one time, you can see free and fair elections. i have heard very clearly you have committed to those elections being free and fair and being in your constitution.

of course. it is my struggle, it is my struggle to establish a democratic system, free and fair elections. will you crack down on groups who have been accused of disappearances? the united nations have raised concern about things that are going on. 0k, how many people disappear in your country or other countries? all these issues, i think first you have to take all the information. you collect it, then they can accuse. final question. tomorrow's funeral is obviously an enormous global event. what do you think will be in your head as you go to the funeral tomorrow? what will be on your mind? of course, we love the queen. and she was so affectionate. not only that, i am lucky that she always remembered my name. i have come here to pay my respects to her. thank you very much.

the bangladeshi prime minister on her being here to pay her respects tomorrow. lindsay hoyle, what will be on your mind tomorrow at the state funeral?— be on your mind tomorrow at the state funeral? ~ . ~ , , state funeral? making sure i get my role the right- _ state funeral? making sure i get my role the right. what _ state funeral? making sure i get my role the right. what is _ state funeral? making sure i get my role the right. what is your - state funeral? making sure i get my role the right. what is your role? - role the right. what is your role? gettin: role the right. what is your role? getting the _ role the right. what is your role? getting the right _ role the right. what is your role? getting the right outfit _ role the right. what is your role? getting the right outfit on, - role the right. what is your role? | getting the right outfit on, getting down, being there for receiving the royal family, and leading the royal family out and ensuring the coffin leaves and everything goes perfectly well. i think that is the most dramatic moment is when we see the coffin being pulled by the royal navy. i have watching the practice, the gun carriage that carried church hill, this will be an amazing thing that people... this is the final stage for me and the final stage everyone will remember. the stage for me and the final stage everyone will remember. the sites on the sounds of — everyone will remember. the sites on the sounds of the _ everyone will remember. the sites on the sounds of the ceremony _ everyone will remember. the sites on the sounds of the ceremony will- everyone will remember. the sites on the sounds of the ceremony will be i the sounds of the ceremony will be so beautiful. ibig

the sounds of the ceremony will be so beautiful-— so beautiful. big ben, queen elizabeth tower, _ so beautiful. big ben, queen elizabeth tower, the - so beautiful. big ben, queen elizabeth tower, the bell i so beautiful. big ben, queen elizabeth tower, the bell will so beautiful. big ben, queen i elizabeth tower, the bell will be trolling as well, the royal marines and everybody —— the bell will be tolling. the crowds will be phenomenal. as far as i am concerned, my role and is the moment her majesty leaves the whole to head to the abbey. i have got to get into my seat afterwards. you to the abbey. i have got to get into my seat afterwards.— my seat afterwards. you will be ri . ht at my seat afterwards. you will be right at the _ my seat afterwards. you will be right at the centre _ my seat afterwards. you will be right at the centre of _ my seat afterwards. you will be right at the centre of all, - my seat afterwards. you will be right at the centre of all, but i right at the centre of all, but probably billions of people will be watching around the world. victoria, what will be on your mind? i will watching around the world. victoria, what will be on your mind?- what will be on your mind? i will be in the sun office _ what will be on your mind? i will be in the sun office working _ what will be on your mind? i will be in the sun office working with i what will be on your mind? i will be in the sun office working with the i in the sun office working with the superb— in the sun office working with the superb staff and the most important thin- superb staff and the most important thing for— superb staff and the most important thing for us is to sum up accurately the mood _ thing for us is to sum up accurately the mood of— thing for us is to sum up accurately the mood of the nation and reflect it on the _ the mood of the nation and reflect it on the front page and the website _ it on the front page and the website. ., ., , ., ~' it on the front page and the website. ., ., , ., ~ . website. how do you think that will be? extremely _ website. how do you think that will be? extremely sad _ website. how do you think that will be? extremely sad and _ website. how do you think that will be? extremely sad and solemn. i

website. how do you think that will| be? extremely sad and solemn. the final scene when _ be? extremely sad and solemn. the final scene when we _ be? extremely sad and solemn. the final scene when we see _ be? extremely sad and solemn. the final scene when we see the - be? extremely sad and solemn. the final scene when we see the coffin l final scene when we see the coffin into windsor and into the chapel will be _ into windsor and into the chapel will be quite something. it certainly will be an event none of us have seen the likes of before and something that will be remembered and shown again for many years to come as people reflect on her majesty's roll around the world. the queen in her role was unafraid to raise tricky question sometimes with world leaders in those quiet diplomatic moments. her views on the need to tackle climate change and the new king's strong desire were no secret, and that's been vital to others campaigning to that end. let's hear now from america's climate change envoy and former secretary of state, john kerry. i reallyjust felt that, in every regard, throughout her life, she carried herself with extraordinary dignity. and so glad i had a chance to say hello to her at windsor castle

and have a little chat. i can remember, i was about ten years old, i guess, and i watched, you know, the first black and white televisions and saw the coronation. my mother was an anglophile who had lived in sussex and kent and, so, she automatically, you know, boosted the queen in our presence. secretary kerry, do you think this moment could change the kind of diplomatic conversations and the atmosphere that we've been living in? one would hope because there were giants in that period of time, in the aftermath of world war ii, and you think of winston churchill, which i think is probably the last funeral of its kind, like the one that is unfolding on monday. and do you hope the new king will continue to raise climate change in the same way as the queen mentioned it? i very much hope so. obviously, in the same way, within the constitutional process,

but there is no question in my mind that that is not a standard multilateral issue or bilateral issue, there is a threat to the entire planet, a threat to all of our nations, and he understands it as well as anybody on the planet. he has been consistently on this issue, beginning in his teenage years and carrying on in many different iterations. he is for real, believe me. have you spoken to king charles this week? yes, i did have an opportunity to have a talk to him while i was in london. and very much appreciated his thoughts at that moment in time and was very pleased that i was able to express my condolences personally and the condolences of our country. and would you like to see the king attend the next cop climate summit in egypt and speak in the same strong terms he did in glasgow last year? personally, i think that it would be

terrific if he was able to do that. and in terms of energy, do you think that vladimir putin might turn the gas off this winter? or maybe this moment's an opportunity to really accelerate the drive for green energy? i think the lesson is that you do not want to be a prisoner of your energy source, of your energy base. you don't want to empower people to weaponise energy against you. and, indeed, anything's possible, i think, right now. we have to be very hopeful that things don't go worse. but i do know that europe as a whole, you know, ursula von der leyen and frans timmermans and the eu are determined to liberate themselves and also help advance the process by which we all liberate ourselves from the emissions which are what are warming the planet. andjust lastly, how would you describe her late

majesty's role in the curious alchemy of diplomacy? straightforward, and i think people appreciated her honesty. but she also had a profound impact on major issues and touched people's lives all around the world, and that is the mark of an extraordinary statesperson. john kerry, thanks so much. john kerry speaking to us about her late majesty. the archbishop, to close with you this morning, you have been intimately involved in planning the funeral, you will be there tomorrow, what will be on your mind? ., , , mind? three thoughts. the first comes from _ mind? three thoughts. the first comes from my _ mind? three thoughts. the first comes from my grand _ mind? three thoughts. the first comes from my grand daughter| comes from my grand daughter abigail. when she heard the queen had died, she cried uncontrollably and then she said, i will never see another queen in my lifetime. her brother, six, said, the world has changed. i want to combine those thoughts. i hope the world has changed for the better. secondly,

the queen wrote me a wonderful letterfour the queen wrote me a wonderful letter four weeks after the burial of prince philip, thanking me for the flowers, the prayers, and ended by saying, when you are grieving, someone you deeply love, it isn't easy when you are having to do it in public. so my thoughts will be to the new king and the whole royal family. they are grieving publicly. the second thought was when i went to see the queen in 2018, to ask permission, i went with a huge burden of matters that may be revealed, i knelt down and i said, your majesty, please pray for me. she put her hands outside mine and we were silent for three minutes. at the end, she said, amen. when i got

up, the burden had lifted. that is the kind of queen. her life was so rooted in christ, she was able to transmit that same power, love, grace. i will be saying, on that day, 12th ofjuly, 2018, you lifted my burden and i am very thankful. thank you for sharing such an incredible memory for us this morning. archbishop sentamu, pleasure to have you with us. and they won't thank you to sir lindsay hoyle, speaker of the house of commons, and victoria newton, editor in chief of the sun. and a huge thank you to you for being with me this morning whether you are watching at home in the uk or around the world. as always, you can catch up the world. as always, you can catch up with anything you missed on iplayer and followed the coverage on the bbc of the state funeral

tomorrow. usually, we'd close our conversation by trying to make sense of what we have heard over the hour. but this morning, we wanted to leave you with this — queen elizabeth ii, her late majesty, in her own words. goodbye. i declare before you all that my whole life, whether it be long or short, shall be devoted to your service and to the service of our great imperialfamily to which we all belong. god help me to make good my vow and god bless all of you who are willing to share in it. although that vow was made in my salad days when i was green injudgment, i do not regret nor retract one word of it. in our work and in the way we live,

change has become a constant. managing it has become an expanding discipline. the way we embrace it defines our future. it has sometimes been observed that what leaders do for the people today is government and politics. but what they do for the people of tomorrow, that is statesmanship. while we may have more still to endure, better days will return. we will be with our friends again. we will be with our families again. we will meet again.

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