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now on bbc news, it's time for the media show. hello. the queen's funeral was the combination of days of coverage cummination of days of coverage across the british media. the new culture secretary called the bbc�*s efforts "phenomenal" and "spot on". so, did the media get the tone right? were a range of views about the monarchy represented? and amid the pageantry and commentary, was there room forjournalism? i'm joined by marcus ryder, who's head of external consultancies in the lenny henry centre for media diversity, baroness stowell, who's conservative chair of the house of lords communication and digital select committee, lord vaizey, a former culture secretary who was in the david cameron government at the time of the 2012 olympics, emily bell, professor of professional practice at the columbia university and graduate school ofjournalism, and stefanie

bolzen is the uk correspondent of germany's die welt newspaper. welcome to you all, thank you so much for coming on the media show. and if we could start with you, tina stowell, what is your assessment of how the british media has done over the past two weeks? i think it's done a very good job, actually. i think it's reflected both the importance and the significance of the death of our monarch after 70 years�* reign. i think it has reflected the emotional reaction that there's been amongst many people. but it's also, i think, been able to capture how britain has been on display in such a way we've in such a way where we've showed the best of all of us, really, and what we've been able to do is demonstrate that this is a modern country which is still a great country and is proud and is not shy

in putting front and centre all that we stand for. so, ithink... you know, i understand and would be able to appreciate that, for some people, sometimes there's probably been more than they wanted — not everybody would've wanted to watch it all day, every day. even the most ardent of monarchists need to have a bit of variety in their diet. but no, i think it's been good. marcus ryder, it has been the story, certainly in the way it's been told, of a nation united in grief. is that simple, do you think? thank you so much for inviting me on — thank you so much for inviting me on. unfortunately, i don't think— me on. unfortunately, i don't think this _ me on. unfortunately, i don't think this has been britain's finest— think this has been britain's finestjournalistic think this has been britain's finest journalistic moment. think this has been britain's finestjournalistic moment. for finest journalistic moment. for example. — finestjournalistic moment. for example, i work and i look at media — example, i work and i look at media diversity and diversity of opinions and views and all the full— of opinions and views and all

the full range, and if you look at scotland and the polls that were — at scotland and the polls that were taken at a time of the queen's— were taken at a time of the queen'sjubilee — earlier in the — queen'sjubilee — earlier in the year— queen'sjubilee — earlier in the year - — queen'sjubilee — earlier in the year — 30% of scots did not want _ the year — 30% of scots did not want the — the year — 30% of scots did not want the monarchy to continue -- 36%~ — want the monarchy to continue —— 36%. these figures are rather— —— 36%. these figures are rather consistent. a year before _ rather consistent. a year before show 37% of so it's going _ before show 37% of so it's going down a bit. if you look at young _ going down a bit. if you look at young people in wales, 80% under the — at young people in wales, 80% under the age of 30 did not want — under the age of 30 did not want the _ under the age of 30 did not want the monarchy to continue after— want the monarchy to continue after the — want the monarchy to continue after the queen. want the monarchy to continue afterthe queen. now, this want the monarchy to continue after the queen. now, this is not a — after the queen. now, this is not a republican or modern 's argument. _ not a republican or modern 's argument, but those views were not reflected in a really important constitutional moment. there was also a very important — moment. there was also a very important constitutional moment here, _ important constitutional moment here, when the king was ascending to the throne, and at that point, _ ascending to the throne, and at that point, good journalism makes _ that point, good journalism makes sure we reflect all the

views — makes sure we reflect all the views of— makes sure we reflect all the views of the uk and different parts — views of the uk and different parts of the uk had very different and complex relationships with the queen. i didht— relationships with the queen. i didn't see _ relationships with the queen. i didn't see that variety and diversity being reflected. | diversity being reflected. should diversity being reflected. i should say the bb said those voices were in the output. i guess, and of easy, taking on marcus's point, wasn't the right time to those questions —— ed vaizey? i right time to those questions -- ed vaizey?— -- ed vaizey? i have a lot of sympathy — -- ed vaizey? i have a lot of sympathy with _ -- ed vaizey? i have a lot of sympathy with what - -- ed vaizey? i have a lot of sympathy with what marcusl -- ed vaizey? i have a lot of. sympathy with what marcus has to say— sympathy with what marcus has to say and — sympathy with what marcus has to say and i_ sympathy with what marcus has to say and i hate _ sympathy with what marcus has to say and i hate it _ sympathy with what marcus has to say and i hate it when - to say and i hate it when there is a prevailing _ to say and i hate it when there is a prevailing political- is a prevailing political opinion— is a prevailing political opinion that _ is a prevailing political opinion that excludesl is a prevailing political- opinion that excludes every other— opinion that excludes every other voice, _ opinion that excludes every othervoice, particularly- opinion that excludes everyi other voice, particularly one that— other voice, particularly one that takes— other voice, particularly one that takes the _ other voice, particularly one that takes the moral - other voice, particularly one that takes the moral high i that takes the moral high groumt _ that takes the moral high groumt i— that takes the moral high ground. ithink— that takes the moral high ground. i think it - that takes the moral high ground. i think it was - that takes the moral high i ground. i think it was during brexit. _ ground. i think it was during brexit, when— ground. i think it was during brexit, when anyone - ground. i think it was during brexit, when anyone dared. ground. i think it was during. brexit, when anyone dared to question— brexit, when anyone dared to question the _ brexit, when anyone dared to question the will— brexit, when anyone dared to question the will of— brexit, when anyone dared to question the will of the - question the will of the pe0pte. _ question the will of the pe0pte. and _ question the will of the people, and the - question the will of the i people, and the winners' question the will of the - people, and the winners' taken were _ people, and the winners' taken were sometimes— people, and the winners' taken were sometimes called - people, and the winners' taken were sometimes called tradersj were sometimes called traders so i understand _ were sometimes called traders so i understand where - were sometimes called traders so i understand where marcusl were sometimes called traders. so i understand where marcus is coming — so i understand where marcus is coming from _ so i understand where marcus is coming from. what _ so i understand where marcus is coming from. what i— so i understand where marcus is coming from. what i would - so i understand where marcus is coming from. what i would say. coming from. what i would say in terms — coming from. what i would say in terms of— coming from. what i would say

in terms of the _ coming from. what i would say in terms of the queen's - coming from. what i would say in terms of the queen's death, a woman— in terms of the queen's death, a woman who _ in terms of the queen's death, a woman who selflessly- in terms of the queen's death, a woman who selflessly died i in terms of the queen's death, i a woman who selflessly died and was going — a woman who selflessly died and was going to _ a woman who selflessly died and was going to have _ a woman who selflessly died and was going to have a _ a woman who selflessly died and was going to have a funeral, - was going to have a funeral, those — was going to have a funeral, those ten _ was going to have a funeral, those ten days _ was going to have a funeral, those ten days were - was going to have a funeral, those ten days were about l was going to have a funeral, l those ten days were about her funerat — those ten days were about her funeral and _ those ten days were about her funeral and the _ those ten days were about her funeral and the nation - those ten days were about her funeral and the nation as - those ten days were about her funeral and the nation as it. funeral and the nation as it were — funeral and the nation as it were saying _ funeral and the nation as it were saying goodbye. - funeral and the nation as itl were saying goodbye. there funeral and the nation as it - were saying goodbye. there was no question— were saying goodbye. there was no question in— were saying goodbye. there was no question in my— were saying goodbye. there was no question in my mind - were saying goodbye. there was no question in my mind that - were saying goodbye. there was no question in my mind that in l no question in my mind that in the way— no question in my mind that in the way that— no question in my mind that in the way that that _ no question in my mind that in the way that that was - no question in my mind that in i the way that that was conducted as it were, — the way that that was conducted as it were, and _ the way that that was conducted as it were, and the _ the way that that was conducted as it were, and the public- as it were, and the public debate, _ as it were, and the public debate, that— as it were, and the public debate, that excludes - as it were, and the public debate, that excludes a i as it were, and the public- debate, that excludes a future debate — debate, that excludes a future debate about _ debate, that excludes a future debate about the _ debate, that excludes a future debate about the future - debate, that excludes a future debate about the future of- debate, that excludes a future debate about the future of thej debate about the future of the monarchy _ debate about the future of the monarchy and _ debate about the future of the monarchy and the _ debate about the future of the - monarchy and the commonwealth, whether— monarchy and the commonwealth, whether king — monarchy and the commonwealth, whether king charles _ monarchy and the commonwealth, whether king charles will- whether king charles will remain— whether king charles will remain head _ whether king charles will remain head of— whether king charles will remain head of state. - whether king charles will remain head of state. all whether king charles will. remain head of state. all of those — remain head of state. all of those will _ remain head of state. all of those will be _ remain head of state. all of those will be debated, - remain head of state. all of those will be debated, but. remain head of state. all of those will be debated, but i think— those will be debated, but i think it _ those will be debated, but i think it would _ those will be debated, but i think it would have - those will be debated, but i think it would have just - those will be debated, but ii think it would have just done those will be debated, but i. think it would have just done a disservice _ think it would have just done a disservice to— think it would have just done a disservice to those _ think it would have just done a disservice to those who - think it would have just done a disservice to those who want l disservice to those who want their— disservice to those who want their voices _ disservice to those who want their voices heard. _ disservice to those who want their voices heard. that- disservice to those who want their voices heard. that wasl their voices heard. that was just— their voices heard. that was just a — their voices heard. that was just a completely _ their voices heard. that was just a completely closed - their voices heard. that was i just a completely closed period where — just a completely closed period where we — just a completely closed period where we knew— just a completely closed period where we knew what _ just a completely closed period where we knew what was - just a completely closed periodj where we knew what was going just a completely closed period i where we knew what was going to happen _ where we knew what was going to happen. the — where we knew what was going to happen. the woman— where we knew what was going to happen. the woman had - where we knew what was going to happen. the woman had died, - where we knew what was going to| happen. the woman had died, she would _ happen. the woman had died, she would have — happen. the woman had died, she would have a — happen. the woman had died, she would have a funeral, _ happen. the woman had died, she would have a funeral, she - happen. the woman had died, she would have a funeral, she was - happen. the woman had died, she would have a funeral, she was a l would have a funeral, she was a remarkable _ would have a funeral, she was a remarkable head _ would have a funeral, she was a remarkable head of— would have a funeral, she was a remarkable head of state - would have a funeral, she was a remarkable head of state and i remarkable head of state and that was _ remarkable head of state and that was that. _ remarkable head of state and that was that.— remarkable head of state and that was that.- it's i remarkable head of state and l that was that.- it's not that was that. marcus? it's not about having — that was that. marcus? it's not about having a _ that was that. marcus? it's not

about having a debate. - that was that. marcus? it's not about having a debate. just - that was that. marcus? it's not about having a debate. just as| about having a debate. just as ed just— about having a debate. just as ed just said, she was a remarkable head of state. there are voices — remarkable head of state. there are voices who don't think she was _ are voices who don't think she was remarkable, and i think that— was remarkable, and i think that the _ was remarkable, and i think that the wall—to—wall coverage, which _ that the wall—to—wall coverage, which for— that the wall—to—wall coverage, which for the most part, yes, we can— which for the most part, yes, we can come to exceptions, but for the — we can come to exceptions, but for the most part were talking about — for the most part were talking about how remarkable and amazing she was. people are saying — amazing she was. people are saying how she was instrumental to bringing down apartheid. there — to bringing down apartheid. there were voices that were unchallenged. 0nce there were voices that were unchallenged. once you straight into the — unchallenged. once you straight into the apartheid debate, it's very— into the apartheid debate, it's very hard _ into the apartheid debate, it's very hard not to bring in the critical— very hard not to bring in the critical voices with regards to what — critical voices with regards to what was _ critical voices with regards to what was the role of the more in africa _ what was the role of the more in africa. some of those voices were _ in africa. some of those voices were being heard in praise of the monarchy, but once you start — the monarchy, but once you start to _ the monarchy, but once you start to stray into those very contentious political waters, it's very— contentious political waters, it's very hard — not having a debate, _ it's very hard — not having a debate, but making sure all the views and — debate, but making sure all the views and opinions of the uk are represented.—

are represented. emily bell, ou are are represented. emily bell, you are nodding. _ are represented. emily bell, you are nodding. how- are represented. emily bell, you are nodding. how do - are represented. emily bell, | you are nodding. how do you judge the coverage? how different was it in the us? well, i arrived by plane overnight on sunday, so it was very interesting coming from new york, which is full of many voices that were quite adamant. but a lot of them were very engaged with the debates around empire and exploitation and slavery and the role the crown played. into an environment which felt, i think, if you are covering a different country— north korea or russia — that kind of coverage of the head of state's demise, you would cover it very differently. so, it was quite a shot, even for somebody british. i do think two things can be true at the same time. i think the bbc could've done magnificently superb technical

job. i think hugh afterwards said —— huw edwards said she should have been given a medal. you can also sayjournalism went on holiday. for a full night, and my feeling is marcus is right. i think something else interesting happened, which is take the queue. the queue was largely a media event. the length of the queue, the concentration of the queue, i'm fairly sure would've been different if it had not been covered in the way it was by the media outlets. i covered in the way it was by the media outlets.- the media outlets. i guess we'll never _ the media outlets. i guess we'll never know. - the media outlets. i guess we'll never know. you're l the media outlets. i guess i we'll never know. you're sort of being _ we'll never know. you're sort of being told _ we'll never know. you're sort of being told how _ we'll never know. you're sort of being told how to - we'll never know. you're sort of being told how to feel - we'll never know. you're sort of being told how to feel and | of being told how to feel and what to think, and i think there's a really interesting question. there's a really interesting question-— there's a really interesting tuestion. , .., there's a really interesting tuestion. , ., question. the queue became a thin in question. the queue became a thing in itself. _ question. the queue became a

thing in itself. everyone - question. the queue became a thing in itself. everyone else i thing in itself. everyone else was fascinated about it. did the bbc story _ was fascinated about it. did the bbc story in _ was fascinated about it. d c the bbc story in that was fascinated about it. li c the bbc story in that moment from being a public service to being more of a state broadcaster? i think that's the thing that made me slightly uneasy —— stefa nie stefanie bolzen, what about in germany? were people interested in germany and how interested? we were certainly very, very interested on the day the queen died and — interested on the day the queen died and then again this monday on september the 19th. four public— on september the 19th. four public broadcasters simultaneously showed the funeral— simultaneously showed the funeral and the procession from nine o'clock in the morning from — nine o'clock in the morning from six _ nine o'clock in the morning from six o'clock in the afternoon. from me being a correspondent in london, i felt overwhelmed these whole ten days — overwhelmed these whole ten days. simply because this was the magnitude, if you are a correspondent in london, this is the — correspondent in london, this is the biggest event ever. but

also _ is the biggest event ever. but also because you had to learn so many things, and i think i wasn't — so many things, and i think i wasn't alone, a lot of british people — wasn't alone, a lot of british people didn't know what was going — people didn't know what was going to _ people didn't know what was going to happen next. now we see acclamation and the king is in parliament, and then scotland and the procession from — scotland and the procession from buckingham palace. it was overwhelming. it from buckingham palace. it was overwhelming.— overwhelming. it was an insight into a world. — overwhelming. it was an insight into a world, that _ overwhelming. it was an insight into a world, that is _ overwhelming. it was an insight into a world, that is for- overwhelming. it was an insight into a world, that is for sure. i into a world, that is for sure. i think because it was so archaic at times, it was also in the — archaic at times, it was also in the queue, it was a bit stereotypical, so it transported a certain image of britain, — transported a certain image of britain, of these amazing people _ britain, of these amazing people who don't mind queuing 24 hours — people who don't mind queuing 24 hours in the rain and also are— 24 hours in the rain and also are on— 24 hours in the rain and also are on questionably up in awe of her— are on questionably up in awe of her majesty. i also share what — of her majesty. i also share what marcus said, that at times, _ what marcus said, that at times, i— what marcus said, that at times, i wish it wasn't such a ingte — times, i wish it wasn't such a ingte issue _ times, i wish it wasn't such a ingle issue and more diverse ideas — ingle issue and more diverse ideas -- _ ingle issue and more diverse ideas -- a _ ingle issue and more diverse ideas —— a single issue.

ingle issue and more diverse ideas -- a single issue. tina, a little bit — ideas -- a single issue. tina, a little bit earlier, _ ideas -- a single issue. tina, a little bit earlier, emily - a little bit earlier, emily bell talked about the death of journalism. 0nce bell talked about the death of journalism. once the queen had died, did you think this innocence did stop being treated as a news story and became a national event that broadcasters in the media had long planned floor?— long planned floor? yeah, i tuess long planned floor? yeah, i guess that's _ long planned floor? yeah, i guess that's true, - long planned floor? yeah, i guess that's true, it - long planned floor? yeah, i guess that's true, it felt - long planned floor? yeah, i| guess that's true, it felt like it was coverage of a massive event, the kind of which we just haven't seen before. and i do think that there is always that danger of the way in which the queen was spoken of as if she was canonized in some way, where this was somebody who was portrayed as somebody who was almost nonhuman. but i think that it wasn't... i don't think that it wasn't... i don't think that was a widespread problem.

but i take what marcus was saying about if there were people trying to ascribe to her majesty responsibility for all sorts of international events in the past that was disproportionate in terms of her contribution, if that wasn't challenged, that's a bit odd. but again, ijust think overall, i think we have to see this as an event and recognise this as an event and recognise this is what it was in the coverage, the extent of it and the positive nature of that coverage was, for me, i think appropriate for the significance of the moment. but that doesn't mean, as ed has already said, that there isn't an opportunity in the future for debate about the future of the monarchy or indeed, or if there is any event or any occasion where members of the

royal family conduct themselves in a way that should be subject to scrutiny, comments and criticism. butjust not over the last ten days of.- criticism. butjust not over the last ten days of. ed, you are nodding. _ the last ten days of. ed, you are nodding. i— the last ten days of. ed, you are nodding. i would - the last ten days of. ed, you are nodding. i would like - the last ten days of. ed, you are nodding. i would like to | are nodding. i would like to talk specifically about the bbc. it had more than 200 cameras dedicated to the funeral alone. cameras dedicated to the funeralalone. ed, could ijust ask you whether yes, it was stunning? 0f ask you whether yes, it was stunning? of course it was. more than 30 million people tuned in at some point on monday. but if we look more broadly, do you think journalism lost out to ceremony?— journalism lost out to ceremony? journalism lost out to ceremon ? ., ., �* ., ceremony? no, i don't, and i would echo — ceremony? no, i don't, and i would echo exactly _ ceremony? no, i don't, and i would echo exactly what - ceremony? no, i don't, and i would echo exactly what tina j would echo exactly what tina said — would echo exactly what tina said i— would echo exactly what tina said ithink— would echo exactly what tina said. i think this _ would echo exactly what tina said. i think this is _ would echo exactly what tina said. i think this is a - would echo exactly what tina said. i think this is a really. said. i think this is a really interesting _ said. i think this is a really interesting discussion- said. i think this is a really interesting discussion to l said. i think this is a really- interesting discussion to have. when — interesting discussion to have. when tina _ interesting discussion to have. when tina described _ interesting discussion to have. when tina described an - interesting discussion to have. j when tina described an event, interesting discussion to have. i when tina described an event, i talked _ when tina described an event, i talked about _ when tina described an event, i talked about the _ when tina described an event, i talked about the olympics. - talked about the olympics. there's— talked about the olympics. there's a _ talked about the olympics. there's a lot _ talked about the olympics. there's a lot we _ talked about the olympics. there's a lot we can - talked about the olympics. there's a lot we can talk. talked about the olympics. - there's a lot we can talk about the olympics_ there's a lot we can talk about the olympics that _ there's a lot we can talk about the olympics that cast - there's a lot we can talk about the olympics that cast the - the olympics that cast the impact _ the olympics that cast the impact on _ the olympics that cast the impact on the _ the olympics that cast the impact on the host - the olympics that cast the. impact on the host country, the olympics that cast the - impact on the host country, the corruption — impact on the host country, the corruption we're _ impact on the host country, the corruption we're talking - impact on the host country, the corruption we're talking about i corruption we're talking about at the — corruption we're talking about at the moment. _

corruption we're talking about at the moment. but _ corruption we're talking about at the moment. but you - corruption we're talking about. at the moment. but you wouldn't do it— at the moment. but you wouldn't do it while — at the moment. but you wouldn't do it while the — at the moment. but you wouldn't do it while the olympics - at the moment. but you wouldn't do it while the olympics are - do it while the olympics are on. i— do it while the olympics are on. ithink— do it while the olympics are on, i think that's _ do it while the olympics are on, i think that's an - on, i think that's an interesting - on, i think that's anj interesting parallel. on, i think that's an - interesting parallel. the bbc, i interesting parallel. the bbc, i want — interesting parallel. the bbc, i want to— interesting parallel. the bbc, i want to exaggerate - interesting parallel. the bbc, i want to exaggerate by - interesting parallel. the bbc,| i want to exaggerate by saying it was~~~ — i want to exaggerate by saying it was~~~ we _ i want to exaggerate by saying it was... we know— i want to exaggerate by saying it was... we know this - it was... we know this government— it was... we know this government is- it was... we know this government is not- it was... we know this - government is not particularly fond _ government is not particularly fond of— government is not particularly fond of the _ government is not particularly fond of the bbc, and - government is not particularly fond of the bbc, and there . government is not particularlyl fond of the bbc, and there are certain— fond of the bbc, and there are certain outlets— fond of the bbc, and there are certain outlets that _ fond of the bbc, and there are certain outlets that are - fond of the bbc, and there are certain outlets that are very i certain outlets that are very much — certain outlets that are very much shot~ _ certain outlets that are very much shot. the _ certain outlets that are very much shot. the bbc- certain outlets that are very much shot. the bbc played| much shot. the bbc played pretty— much shot. the bbc played pretty much— much shot. the bbc played pretty much of— much shot. the bbc played pretty much of a _ much shot. the bbc played pretty much of a blinder. . much shot. the bbc played pretty much of a blinder. ii pretty much of a blinder. i suspect— pretty much of a blinder. i suspect a _ pretty much of a blinder. i suspect a lot _ pretty much of a blinder. i suspect a lot of _ pretty much of a blinder. i suspect a lot of us - pretty much of a blinder. i suspect a lot of us are - pretty much of a blinder. i| suspect a lot of us are bbc pretty much of a blinder. i- suspect a lot of us are bbc one watchers, — suspect a lot of us are bbc one watchers, but _ suspect a lot of us are bbc one watchers, but they— suspect a lot of us are bbc one watchers, but they all- suspect a lot of us are bbc one watchers, but they all have - suspect a lot of us are bbc one watchers, but they all have to i watchers, but they all have to navigate — watchers, but they all have to navigate this _ watchers, but they all have to navigate this and _ watchers, but they all have to navigate this and they- watchers, but they all have to navigate this and they can - navigate this and they can easily— navigate this and they can easily have _ navigate this and they can easily have fallen - navigate this and they can easily have fallen over. i navigate this and they can i easily have fallen over. and i gather— easily have fallen over. and i gather there _ easily have fallen over. and i gather there were _ easily have fallen over. and i gather there were easy - gather there were easy decisions _ gather there were easy decisions to— gather there were easy decisions to make - gather there were easy decisions to make like i gather there were easy i decisions to make like not having _ decisions to make like not having this _ decisions to make like not having this style _ decisions to make like not having this style of- decisions to make like not| having this style of strictly come _ having this style of strictly come dancing _ having this style of strictly come dancing and - having this style of strictly come dancing and more i having this style of strictly - come dancing and more difficult decisions, — come dancing and more difficult decisions, do— come dancing and more difficult decisions, do you _ come dancing and more difficult decisions, do you show- decisions, do you show paddington_ decisions, do you show paddington the - decisions, do you showj paddington the movie? decisions, do you show- paddington the movie? but the bbc flexed _ paddington the movie? but the bbc flexed on _ paddington the movie? but the bbc flexed on quite _ paddington the movie? but the bbc flexed on quite a - paddington the movie? but the bbc flexed on quite a lot - paddington the movie? but the bbc flexed on quite a lot of- bbc flexed on quite a lot of its platforms _ bbc flexed on quite a lot of its platforms in _ bbc flexed on quite a lot of its platforms in terms - bbc flexed on quite a lot of its platforms in terms of i bbc flexed on quite a lot ofj its platforms in terms of its content, _ its platforms in terms of its content, and _ its platforms in terms of its content, and we _ its platforms in terms of its content, and we think- its platforms in terms of its content, and we think howl its platforms in terms of its - content, and we think how many platforms — content, and we think how many platforms - _ content, and we think how many platforms - not— content, and we think how many platforms — notjust _ content, and we think how many platforms — not just the - content, and we think how many platforms — notjust the range i platforms — notjust the range of radio— platforms — notjust the range of radio stations _ platforms — notjust the range of radio stations — _ platforms — notjust the range of radio stations — the - platforms — notjust the range of radio stations — the fact - of radio stations — the fact that— of radio stations — the fact that there _ of radio stations — the fact that there hasn't - of radio stations — the fact that there hasn't been -

of radio stations — the fact that there hasn't been a l of radio stations — the fact - that there hasn't been a single item _ that there hasn't been a single item that— that there hasn't been a single item that has _ that there hasn't been a single item that has been— that there hasn't been a single item that has been hailed - that there hasn't been a single item that has been hailed as l that there hasn't been a single item that has been hailed as a| item that has been hailed as a catastrophic— item that has been hailed as a catastrophic bb— item that has been hailed as a catastrophic bb seal— item that has been hailed as a catastrophic bb seal —— - item that has been hailed as a catastrophic bb seal —— bbc. catastrophic bb seal —— bbc mistake _ catastrophic bb seal —— bbc mistake we _ catastrophic bb seal —— bbc mistake. we are _ catastrophic bb seal —— bbc mistake. we are in- catastrophic bb seal —— bbc mistake. we are in the - catastrophic bb seal —— bbc. mistake. we are in the realms of all— mistake. we are in the realms of all willoughby_ mistake. we are in the realms of all willoughby being - of all willoughby being chastised _ of all willoughby being chastised for— of all willoughby being chastised forjumpingl of all willoughby being| chastised forjumping a of all willoughby being - chastised forjumping a queue -- holly— chastised forjumping a queue —— holly willoughby. - chastised forjumping a queue —— holly willoughby. you - chastised forjumping a queuel —— holly willoughby. you know people — —— holly willoughby. you know people can _ —— holly willoughby. you know people can become _ —— holly willoughby. you know people can become tablets- —— holly willoughby. you know people can become tablets for| people can become tablets for messing — people can become tablets for messing up _ people can become tablets for messing up i— people can become tablets for messing up. i hold _ people can become tablets for messing up. i hold to- people can become tablets for messing up. i hold to my- messing up. i hold to my position— messing up. i hold to my position where _ messing up. i hold to my position where i- messing up. i hold to my. position where i completely understand _ position where i completely understand the _ position where i completely understand the nuances - position where i completely understand the nuances ofi position where i completely i understand the nuances of the other— understand the nuances of the other guests, _ understand the nuances of the other guests, and _ understand the nuances of the other guests, and the - understand the nuances of the other guests, and the bbc- other guests, and the bbc played _ other guests, and the bbc played a _ other guests, and the bbc played a completely- other guests, and the bbc. played a completely straight fact~ — played a completely straight fact~ this— played a completely straight fact. this was _ played a completely straight fact. this was an _ played a completely straight fact. this was an event - played a completely straight fact. this was an event thatl fact. this was an event that started _ fact. this was an event that started with _ fact. this was an event that started with the _ fact. this was an event that started with the death - fact. this was an event that started with the death of. fact. this was an event that. started with the death of her majesty— started with the death of her majesty and _ started with the death of her majesty and ended _ started with the death of her majesty and ended with - started with the death of her majesty and ended with her. majesty and ended with her intern~ _ majesty and ended with her intern. . , intern. marcus, was it straight? _ intern. marcus, was it straight? i— intern. marcus, was it straight? ithink- intern. marcus, was it. straight? i think there's intern. marcus, was it- straight? i think there's a few thins straight? i think there's a few things that — straight? i think there's a few things that we _ straight? i think there's a few things that we need - straight? i think there's a few things that we need to - straight? i think there's a few. things that we need to unpack. first _ things that we need to unpack. first of— things that we need to unpack. first of all, there is a narrative which is beginning to form — narrative which is beginning to form tina _ narrative which is beginning to form. tina and ed have voiced this— form. tina and ed have voiced this narrative that the last ten — this narrative that the last ten days was not the time for this debate. we can have it asked words. —— afterwards. there's— asked words. —— afterwards. there's a _ asked words. —— afterwards.

there's a danger in that, in that— there's a danger in that, in that the _ there's a danger in that, in that the last ten days was a national— that the last ten days was a national moment. if certain people _ national moment. if certain people are excluded from key national— people are excluded from key national moment and this is disproportionately scottish people, disproportionately welsh _ people, disproportionately welsh people, disproportionately people of colour, _ disproportionately people of colour, if their views and opinions _ colour, if their views and opinions are disproportionately excluded from the national moment, then we're kind of saying — moment, then we're kind of saying implicitly — not deliberately — you're not really _ deliberately — you're not really british, you haven't really— really british, you haven't really caught that national moment. when the national moment— moment. when the national moment has finished, we'll bring — moment has finished, we'll bring you back in. that's kind of the — bring you back in. that's kind of the implicit argument that i'm beginning to hear, and it's notjust— i'm beginning to hear, and it's notjust ed _ i'm beginning to hear, and it's notjust ed and tina. i've heard _ notjust ed and tina. i've heard it _ notjust ed and tina. i've heard it from other places. yes, _ heard it from other places. yes. for— heard it from other places. yes, for the last ten days, when _ yes, for the last ten days, when it— yes, for the last ten days, when it was nationally important, we sidelined you, we sidelined — important, we sidelined you, we sidelined the diversity, and then— sidelined the diversity, and then after the national moment, we bring — then after the national moment, we bring back the diversity. unfortunately, diversity and inclusion doesn't work that

way — inclusion doesn't work that way we _ inclusion doesn't work that way. we have to have diversity and inclusion in all its messiness at the most important times, _ messiness at the most important times, not— messiness at the most important times, not at the least important times. times, not at the least imortant times. t ., ., important times. what would you sa to important times. what would you say to that? _ important times. what would you say to that? l _ important times. what would you say to that? i suppose _ important times. what would you say to that? i suppose on - important times. what would you say to that? i suppose on the - say to that? i suppose on the bbc, is there a kind of special case when it comes to the monarchy? are there different expectations for the national broadcast?— broadcast? i'm100% with marcus- _ broadcast? i'm100% with marcus. the _ broadcast? i'm 10096 with marcus. the idea - broadcast? i'm 10096 with marcus. the idea that - broadcast? i'm 10096 with | marcus. the idea that there broadcast? i'm 10096 with - marcus. the idea that there is a time where you don't confront the uncomfortable as a journalist, ifind that the uncomfortable as a journalist, i find that a very difficult concept. i think that marcus �*s point was made in an article as well. you say go elsewhere when you say that. and often, the places they end “p and often, the places they end up going because they trust them more, don't necessarily have the journalistic values as

the bbc or the times. but i have some sympathy. i think the bbc�*s been under tremendous political pressure and it's had a very difficult relationship with the royal family. so, i think that this imperative to tow the line must have felt like the kind of... i think the bbc and the monarchy our brash together in mutual x potential anxiety at the moment. both the stories who are having quite difficult questions asked about that, saying... so i do think there is a sort of exceptionalism, but i also think they literally have the bandwidth to accommodate all of this in an elegant way and in a journalistic way. i woke up this morning to literally one of 210's advisers shouting about nuclear war, almost like we had had ten days of ——

vaizey�*s. we had had ten days of -- vaizey's-_ we had had ten days of -- vaize 's. ~ �* ., vaizey's. we're getting late! jet lat ! vaizey's. we're getting late! jet lag! there _ vaizey's. we're getting late! jet lag! there were - vaizey's. we're getting late! jet lag! there were a - vaizey's. we're getting late! | jet lag! there were a number vaizey's. we're getting late! i jet lag! there were a number of really important things happening right now, and i think that we should have allowed a little bit more space for those voices, but also a little bit more recognitions. other really important things are happening. other really important things are happening-— other really important things are happening. tina, you're not 'ust a are happening. tina, you're not just a conservative _ are happening. tina, you're not just a conservative here, - are happening. tina, you're not just a conservative here, you i just a conservative here, you are also very senior to bbc for ten years. i'm sure you have insights. ten years. i'm sure you have insights-— insights. about this point about not _ insights. about this point about not hearing - insights. about this point about not hearing from i insights. about this point - about not hearing from voices, different voices and opinions, i thought one thing that was quite striking about the bbc coverage was the fact that there was quite a lot of diversity on screen and on air, and different people who in different contexts do represent a different perspective. different historians or i

saw... yeah, exactly. and mark drakeford and nicola sturgeon were interviewed. there are elected people or other people who are renowned spokesman who expects different opinions who are on air. it wasn't that there wasn't that kind of diversity. but i come back to it, overall, ifi diversity. but i come back to it, overall, if i looked at the performance over the last ten days compared to — when the queen mother died and i was working at the bbc then — the bbc did not get that right in the way in which it covered the queen mother's death and was quite rightly criticised for it. this was... crosstalk at the time, _ it. this was... crosstalk at the time, it _ it. this was... crosstalk at the time, it was - it. this was... crosstalk at the time, it was not. it. this was... crosstalk - at the time, it was not enough. they had the way in which the queen mother was announced. people thought it wasn't done in a suitably respectful way. i

remember, i was sat in board meetings afterwards and listening to controllers saying that in their view, there was that in their view, there was that the widespread support and respect from the monarchy. ok. respect from the monarchy. ok, i was encountered _ respect from the monarchy. ok, i was encountered and it was huge news in canada. what can we understand about the coverage in terms of the way the world sees us. do you think the world sees us. do you think the media coverage has changed how the british public sees the country? how the british public sees the count ? �* , , , country? the british public? i think everything _ country? the british public? i think everything we've - think everything we've discussed _ think everything we've discussed just- think everything we've discussed just now, i think everything we've i discussed just now, and i think everything we've - discussed just now, and i don't really— discussed just now, and i don't really have _ discussed just now, and i don't really have an _ discussed just now, and i don't really have an answer - discussed just now, and i don't really have an answer for i really have an answer for marcus. _ really have an answer for marcus. '— really have an answer for marcus, i completely- really have an answer for i marcus, i completely accept his point _ marcus, i completely accept his point there _ marcus, i completely accept his point. there are _ marcus, i completely accept his point. there are communities l point. there are communities that— point. there are communities that would _ point. there are communities that would have _ point. there are communities that would have felt - point. there are communities that would have felt very- that would have felt very excluded _ that would have felt very excluded from _ that would have felt very excluded from these i that would have felt very. excluded from these events that would have felt very- excluded from these events and they want — excluded from these events and they want have _ excluded from these events and they want have changed - excluded from these events and they want have changed their. they want have changed their views— they want have changed their views of— they want have changed their views of our— they want have changed their views of our country. - they want have changed their views of our country. and i'm

afraid — views of our country. and i'm afraid i'm _ views of our country. and i'm afraid i'm a _ views of our country. and i'm afraid i'm a slightly— afraid i'm a slightly cynical person. so_ afraid i'm a slightly cynical person, so we have all- afraid i'm a slightly cynicali person, so we have all this, we're a _ person, so we have all this, we're a united— person, so we have all this, we're a united country, - person, so we have all this, we're a united country, i- person, so we have all this, . we're a united country, i don't believe — we're a united country, i don't believe that _ we're a united country, idon't believe that for— we're a united country, i don't believe that for a _ we're a united country, i don't believe that for a minute. - we're a united country, i don't believe that for a minute. wel believe that for a minute. we are irack— believe that for a minute. we are back to— believe that for a minute. we are back to politics _ believe that for a minute. we are back to politics in - believe that for a minute. we| are back to politics in normal. i are back to politics in normal. i don't — are back to politics in normal. idon't think— are back to politics in normal. i don't think it's _ i don't think it's fundamentally. i don't think it's - fundamentally changed i don't think it's _ fundamentally changed views, and fundamentally changed views, arrd i— fundamentally changed views, and i thinking _ fundamentally changed views, and i thinking charles- fundamentally changed views, and i thinking charles will- and i thinking charles will sink— and i thinking charles will sink or— and i thinking charles will sink or swim _ and i thinking charles will sink or swim based - and i thinking charles will sink or swim based on - and i thinking charles willi sink or swim based on his performance _ sink or swim based on his performance as— sink or swim based on his performance as our- sink or swim based on his i performance as our monarch sink or swim based on his - performance as our monarch —— i think— performance as our monarch —— i think king — performance as our monarch —— i think king charles. _ performance as our monarch —— i think king charles. it's _ think king charles. it's gratifying _ think king charles. it's gratifying to _ think king charles. it's gratifying to the - think king charles. it's| gratifying to the british psyche. _ gratifying to the british| psyche, exceptionalism gratifying to the british - psyche, exceptionalism that hundreds— psyche, exceptionalism that hundreds of— psyche, exceptionalism that hundreds of countries - psyche, exceptionalism that hundreds of countries bid i psyche, exceptionalism that. hundreds of countries bid due. i hundreds of countries bid due. i spoke — hundreds of countries bid due. i spoke to— hundreds of countries bid due. i spoke to ken— hundreds of countries bid due. i spoke to ken young, - hundreds of countries bid due. . i spoke to ken young, denmark, spain. _ i spoke to ken young, denmark, spain. so — i spoke to ken young, denmark, spain. so that— i spoke to ken young, denmark, spain, so that was _ i spoke to ken young, denmark, spain, so that was great. - i spoke to ken young, denmark, spain, so that was great. —— - i spoke to ken young, denmark, spain, so that was great. —— to. spain, so that was great. —— to kenya — spain, so that was great. —— to kenya we _ spain, so that was great. —— to kenya. we haven't— spain, so that was great. —— to kenya. we haven't talked - spain, so that was great. —— toi kenya. we haven't talked about westnrinster— kenya. we haven't talked about westminster abbey's _ kenya. we haven't talked about westminster abbey's role - kenya. we haven't talked about westminster abbey's role in - kenya. we haven't talked about westminster abbey's role in all| westminster abbey's role in all this _ westminster abbey's role in all this i— westminster abbey's role in all this i can— westminster abbey's role in all this. i can imagine _ westminster abbey's role in all this. i can imagine the - westminster abbey's role in all this. i can imagine the average| this. i can imagine the average american — this. i can imagine the average american thinking _ this. i can imagine the average american thinking about - this. i can imagine the average american thinking about where they're — american thinking about where they're going _ american thinking about where they're going to _ american thinking about where they're going to go— american thinking about where they're going to go to - american thinking about where they're going to go to the - they're going to go to the sunrnrer _ they're going to go to the summer-— summer. crosstalk emily called - summer. crosstalk emily called it - summer. crosstalk | emily called it national self—delusion. i

emily called it national self-delusion.- emily called it national self-delusion. i was 'ust lookingfi self-delusion. i was 'ust looking at i self-delusion. i was 'ust looking at the idea h self-delusion. i wasjust looking at the idea of i self-delusion. i wasjust| looking at the idea of the average american. enjoying the wonders of westminster abbey and i think that's somewhere waiting the mark. but i do think this point about how the world looks and it's very interesting, because a lot of contemporary interest in the british monarchy comes through both the narrative around diana, meghan markle and the crown that comes through this fictionalized version of british history.- fictionalized version of british history. let me ask stefanie. _ british history. let me ask stefanie, how— british history. let me ask stefanie, how do - british history. let me ask stefanie, how do people l british history. let me ask| stefanie, how do people in germany view britain and did this change anything? i germany view britain and did this change anything?- this change anything? i think the funeral _ this change anything? i think the funeral is _ this change anything? i think the funeral is exceptional - this change anything? i think| the funeral is exceptional and ithink— the funeral is exceptional and i think this was something that was really the highlight. so many— was really the highlight. so many people, i think the market share _ many people, i think the market share was— many people, i think the market share was 50%, the funeral in germany _

share was 50%, the funeral in germany. but i thought it was interesting and telling, how king — interesting and telling, how king charles was presented in germany— king charles was presented in germany and how many questions were _ germany and how many questions were asked about him. on the saturday. _ were asked about him. on the saturday, during the acclamation, he did this very rather— acclamation, he did this very rather rude gesture of being very— rather rude gesture of being very impatient about some ink pot standing on the table. i hardly— pot standing on the table. i hardly didn't see it here in the — hardly didn't see it here in the uk, _ hardly didn't see it here in the uk, and that was the main thing — the uk, and that was the main thing in— the uk, and that was the main thing in germany, and people are very— thing in germany, and people are very intrigued about what this king _ are very intrigued about what this king is like.— are very intrigued about what this king is like. marcus, what messaue this king is like. marcus, what message do — this king is like. marcus, what message do you _ this king is like. marcus, what message do you think- this king is like. marcus, what message do you think the - this king is like. marcus, what message do you think the lastj message do you think the last ten days told us, whatever it was? ~ . ten days told us, whatever it was? ~' . . ten days told us, whatever it was? ~ . . �* was? unlike tina and ed, i'm not a politician, _ was? unlike tina and ed, i'm not a politician, so _ was? unlike tina and ed, i'm not a politician, so i - was? unlike tina and ed, i'm not a politician, so i don't - not a politician, so i don't think— not a politician, so i don't think i'm _ not a politician, so i don't think i'm qualified to answer that— think i'm qualified to answer that question. i can say my concern _ that question. i can say my concern is _ that question. i can say my concern is that the young people _ concern is that the young people in wales, 80% don't want continuation of the monarchy. what — continuation of the monarchy. what is — continuation of the monarchy. what is their relationship with the bbc? the communities who don't _ the bbc? the communities who don't support them monarchy, what _ don't support them monarchy, what is — don't support them monarchy, what is their relationship?

it's what is their relationship? it's not _ what is their relationship? it's not an argument, i keep on having _ it's not an argument, i keep on having to — it's not an argument, i keep on having to reiterate, it's more how — having to reiterate, it's more how do— having to reiterate, it's more how do we _ having to reiterate, it's more how do we ensure that our national— how do we ensure that our national media continues to have — national media continues to have links with our diverse range _ have links with our diverse range of— have links with our diverse range of opinions?- have links with our diverse range of opinions? tina, as a politician. — range of opinions? tina, as a politician, what _ range of opinions? tina, as a politician, what message - range of opinions? tina, as a politician, what message you think the past they send out to the world about britain? i the world about britain? i think they send out a really positive message. i think we put on display, the best of us, really. i think it's been a fantastic social case. i think it's important that the bbc, having done so well, doesn't try and think that therefore removes any justification for a debate about its future and all the challenges that it faces, and i think to the point about diversity, for sure, the bbc needs to serve everybody. everybody pays. but it also must never forget the people who have been so pleased with this coverage of the last ten

days. they often feel not understood or represented. most of them are _ understood or represented. most of them are nodding _ understood or represented. most of them are nodding at _ understood or represented. most of them are nodding at that point, and that is a good moment to end. thank you to all my guests. for now, thanks for watching. bye. hello. the autumn equinox happened on friday and saturday is going to be our first full day of autumn. the skies are pretty clear the moment and the weekend, how's it looking? actually not too bad. there will be a few showers around, but predominantly sunny spells. so, this is what it looks like out there right now. yes, a few showers around, but generally clear across most of the uk through the early hours of saturday, and the temperatures ranging from close to freezing in the scottish glens, around 10 in liverpool and i2 degrees in the south. now, recently in the southeast, it has been pretty cloudy and wet because of a stubborn

weather front, but the thinking is that weather front should be out of the picture in the english channel and across france early on saturday morning. but there is a possibility it could be cloudy, if not damp, in the extreme southeast. elsewhere across the country, we're waking up to sunny spells, and i think through the course of the afternoon, we'll see showers developing — quite well scattered across england and wales. but in scotland and northern ireland, it should be a predominantly dry day. here, temperatures will range from 12 degrees in the northern isles, 16 in glasgow, in the south, still around 18. that was saturday, this is sunday's weather forecast. a lot of sunshine, particularly across england and wales, but watch this cold front sweep into northern and western scotland later in the day. the winds will increase, and that heralds a change, a change into next week. we'll have a look at that in a second. first, i want to update you on hurricane fiona, which has just passed to the west of bermuda and it is heading towards nova scotia and also newfoundland, and the effects

of this storm are likely to be very significant around the canadian maritimes. when the storm hits, it'll no longer be a truly tropical hurricane. it'll sort of turn into more of a mid—latitude weather system, but the strength of the wind will still be blowing at hurricane force, and waves around coastal areas are forecast to reach 10, even 12 metres of ferocious weather there, the other side of the atlantic. but over in our neck of the woods, we are expecting a colder plunge of air on monday following a cold front. if you look at the forecast here, 13 degrees in aberdeen and edinburgh probably as well, and cardiff, mid—teens expected and similar values there in london. have a good weekend.

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