this is bbc news. we will have the headlines and all the main news stories for you at the top of the hour, straight after this programme. hello, it's adam in the studio. hi it'sjoe also in the studio. and i'm in the streets of south london — and i'm in the streets of south london. a ~ . and i'm in the streets of south london. n, ~ . , ., london. making a triumphant return to television. - london. making a triumphant return to television. . - london. making a triumphant return to television. . i - london. making a triumphant return to television. . i am i return to television. v i am just going return to television. . i am just going to ask, are you happy with your chair? this is all ri . ht happy with your chair? this is all right this _ happy with your chair? this is all right this month. - happy with your chair? this is all right this month. in - happy with your chair? this is all right this month. in the i all right this month. in the last— all right this month. in the last one. _ all right this month. in the last one, you _ all right this month. in the last one, you pull- all right this month. in the last one, you pull a - all right this month. in the last one, you pull a lever. all right this month. in the i last one, you pull a lever and you _ last one, you pull a lever and you disappear— last one, you pull a lever and you disappear from _ last one, you pull a lever and you disappear from sight. i last one, you pull a lever and you disappear from sight. [i you disappear from sight. imagine on question you disappear from sight.” imagine on question time you disappear from sight.- imagine on question time it's you disappear from sight._ imagine on question time it's a top of the range chair. the

question _ top of the range chair. the question time _ top of the range chair. the question time share i top of the range chair. the question time share my am very picky— question time share my am very picky about, they always had higher— picky about, they always had higher than picky about, they always had higherthan any of picky about, they always had higher than any of the guests deliberately. i'm quite tall, i wont— deliberately. i'm quite tall, i wont stand up now, i'm just over— wont stand up now, i'm just over six— wont stand up now, i'm just over six foot but i've realised if ever— over six foot but i've realised if ever you _ over six foot but i've realised if ever you were lower, it was a nightmare because you couldrfl— a nightmare because you couldn't actually control people. couldn't actually control --eole. , couldn't actually control --eole. ., . ., people. did you take that chair everywhere? _ people. did you take that chair everywhere? yes. _ people. did you take that chair everywhere? yes. chairs i people. did you take that chair everywhere? yes. chairs and l everywhere? yes. chairs and election chairs _ everywhere? yes. chairs and election chairs were - everywhere? yes. chairs and election chairs were very i election chairs were very important _ election chairs were very important popular- election chairs were very| important popular you've election chairs were very i important popular you've got election chairs were very - important popular you've got to sit on _ important popular you've got to sit on them _ important popular you've got to sit on them for— important popular you've got to sit on them for so _ important popular you've got to sit on them for so long. - important popular you've got to sit on them for so long. but i sit on them for so long. but also — sit on them for so long. but also that— sit on them for so long. but also that when _ sit on them for so long. but also that when you - sit on them for so long. but also that when you get i sit on them for so long. but. also that when you get bored you just _ also that when you get bored you just pull— also that when you get bored you just pull the _ also that when you get bored you just pull the lever, - also that when you get bored you just pull the lever, i- also that when you get bored | you just pull the lever, i wont do it— you just pull the lever, i wont do it now. _ you just pull the lever, i wont do it now, and _ you just pull the lever, i wont do it now, and disappear- you just pull the lever, i wont do it now, and disappear andl you just pull the lever, i wont. do it now, and disappear and it is a good — do it now, and disappear and it is a good laugh _ do it now, and disappear and it is a good laugh. find— do it now, and disappear and it is a good laugh-— is a good laugh. and we will aet lots is a good laugh. and we will get lots of _ is a good laugh. and we will get lots of commentary i is a good laugh. and we will| get lots of commentary from is a good laugh. and we will- get lots of commentary from you on events this weekend or a few minutes but kristie just wanted to get your take of what was happening on local radio this morning when liz truss i think did eight interviews back to back and faced some really tough questions on people being very critical of her performance.- very critical of her erformance. ,, ., , ., performance. she really did and it is a wonderful _ performance. she really did and it is a wonderful quirk— performance. she really did and it is a wonderful quirk of- performance. she really did and it is a wonderful quirk of the i it is a wonderful quirk of the political— it is a wonderful quirk of the political ecology. i was sitting _ political ecology. i was sitting on the train on the way irack— sitting on the train on the way back from _ sitting on the train on the way back from the labour conference on bbc_

back from the labour conference on bbc radio was tweeting that they had — on bbc radio was tweeting that they had the premised on this morning — they had the premised on this morning and people were thinking what? she's as a pet and popped up already, because what _ and popped up already, because what she — and popped up already, because what she was doing was a round of radio— what she was doing was a round of radio interviews that happens at this time for the party— happens at this time for the party conferences every single year _ party conferences every single year and — party conferences every single year and it has in the diary for ages. _ year and it has in the diary forages, probably year and it has in the diary for ages, probably from before she was— for ages, probably from before she was even prime minister so she was even prime minister so she gave — she was even prime minister so she gave an hour this morning between — she gave an hour this morning between eight and nine talking to radio — between eight and nine talking to radio leeds and lancashire and norfolk and various other stations. _ and norfolk and various other stations, before she talked to anybody — stations, before she talked to anybody else publicly about what — anybody else publicly about what has happened this week so they got— what has happened this week so they got the exclusive and my goodness, they gave her a hard time _ goodness, they gave her a hard time on — goodness, they gave her a hard time on the big national picture. _ time on the big national picture, a hard time on disappearing and not being seen in public— disappearing and not being seen in public for the last few days and then— in public for the last few days and then a hard time on the that— and then a hard time on the that you _ and then a hard time on the that you or me orjoe could ask about— that you or me orjoe could ask about fracking but if radio lancashire asked that where they— lancashire asked that where they have done trails and where there _ they have done trails and where there were those little shakes, then— there were those little shakes, then it — there were those little shakes, then it is — there were those little shakes, then it is a _ there were those little shakes, then it is a little bit harder to grapple with. so a pretty tough — to grapple with. so a pretty tough outing for the prime minister. after that she did a

lot of— minister. after that she did a lot of regional television interviews as well. the key message from her though as they are not— message from her though as they are not changing, they are sticking _ are not changing, they are sticking to that budget from last week and ploughing on. and david a lot _ last week and ploughing on. and david a lot of _ last week and ploughing on. and david a lot of the _ last week and ploughing on. fific david a lot of the questions she faced on local radio were about the falling value of the pound against the dollar, the increasing rate the government was having to pay for its debt and intervention of the bank of england to help pension funds copy you have seen a lot of financial crises over your very long career, how does this it into some of the older ones? in into some of the older ones? in an odd way it is a kind of echo realty— an odd way it is a kind of echo realty of— an odd way it is a kind of echo really of things _ an odd way it is a kind of echo really of things that _ an odd way it is a kind of echo really of things that have i really of things that have happened _ really of things that have happened in— really of things that have happened in the - really of things that have happened in the past. i. happened in the past. i remember— happened in the past. i rememberwhen- happened in the past. i rememberwhen the i happened in the past. i- remember when the pound was happened in the past. i— remember when the pound was $2 80 in— remember when the pound was $2 80 in the — remember when the pound was $2 80 in the late _ remember when the pound was $2 80 in the late 60s _ remember when the pound was $2 80 in the late 60s when _ remember when the pound was $2 80 in the late 60s when harold i 80 in the late 60s when harold wilson — 80 in the late 60s when harold wilson devalued _ 80 in the late 60s when harold wilson devalued and _ 80 in the late 60s when harold wilson devalued and said - 80 in the late 60s when harold wilson devalued and said it- wilson devalued and said it doesn't _ wilson devalued and said it doesn't devalue _ wilson devalued and said it doesn't devalue the - wilson devalued and said it doesn't devalue the pound | wilson devalued and said it. doesn't devalue the pound in your pocket _ doesn't devalue the pound in your pocket. remember- doesn't devalue the pound inl your pocket. remember when norman— your pocket. remember when norman sang _ your pocket. remember when norman sang in _ your pocket. remember when norman sang in the _ your pocket. remember when norman sang in the bath i your pocket. remember when norman sang in the bath and i your pocket. remember when i norman sang in the bath and we pulled _ norman sang in the bath and we pulled out — norman sang in the bath and we pulled out of— norman sang in the bath and we pulled out of the _ norman sang in the bath and we pulled out of the rm _ norman sang in the bath and we pulled out of the rm and - norman sang in the bath and we pulled out of the rm and the i pulled out of the rm and the pound — pulled out of the rm and the pound plummeted _ pulled out of the rm and the pound plummeted and - pulled out of the rm and the . pound plummeted and interest rates from _ pound plummeted and interest rates from the _ pound plummeted and interest rates from the bank _ pound plummeted and interest rates from the bank of - pound plummeted and interestj rates from the bank of england went— rates from the bank of england went to — rates from the bank of england went to 15%? _ rates from the bank of england went to i5%? these _ rates from the bank of england went to i5%? these things i rates from the bank of england went to i5%? these things that always— went to i5%? these things that always are _ went to i5%? these things that always are like _ went to i5%? these things that always are like a _ went to i5%? these things that always are like a storm - went to i5%? these things that always are like a storm when .

always are like a storm when they— always are like a storm when they happen _ always are like a storm when they happen and _ always are like a storm when they happen and this - always are like a storm when they happen and this one i always are like a storm when they happen and this one is i they happen and this one is very— they happen and this one is very extraordinary- they happen and this one is very extraordinary because | they happen and this one is . very extraordinary because as somebody— very extraordinary because as somebody quite _ very extraordinary because as somebody quite astutely- very extraordinary because as| somebody quite astutely said, it is like — somebody quite astutely said, it is like the — somebody quite astutely said, it is like the government - somebody quite astutely said, it is like the government has i it is like the government has -ot it is like the government has got its — it is like the government has got its foot— it is like the government has got its foot on _ it is like the government has got its foot on the _ it is like the government hasl got its foot on the accelerator exhilarating _ got its foot on the accelerator exhilarating and _ got its foot on the accelerator exhilarating and at _ got its foot on the accelerator exhilarating and at the - got its foot on the accelerator exhilarating and at the very. exhilarating and at the very same — exhilarating and at the very same time _ exhilarating and at the very same time the _ exhilarating and at the very same time the bank- exhilarating and at the very same time the bank of- exhilarating and at the very- same time the bank of england has what — same time the bank of england has what its _ same time the bank of england has what its foot _ same time the bank of england has what its foot on _ same time the bank of england has what its foot on the - same time the bank of england has what its foot on the break. has what its foot on the break and have _ has what its foot on the break and have you _ has what its foot on the break and have you ever— has what its foot on the break and have you ever done - has what its foot on the break and have you ever done that i has what its foot on the breakl and have you ever done that in and have you ever done that in a car? — and have you ever done that in a car? when _ and have you ever done that in a car? when you _ and have you ever done that in a car? when you by— and have you ever done that in a car? when you by mistake i and have you ever done that in. a car? when you by mistake get your— a car? when you by mistake get your feet — a car? when you by mistake get your feet on _ a car? when you by mistake get your feet on both? _ a car? when you by mistake get your feet on both? the- a car? when you by mistake get your feet on both?— your feet on both? the added twist is that _ your feet on both? the added twist is that there's _ your feet on both? the added twist is that there's other i twist is that there's other bits the bank of england that have their foot on another accelerator but it is a smaller one. but i do think it is extraordinary. i thought veevers very was interesting. liz truss becoming prime minister i thought was quite... we knew her quite well on question time over the years and it was quite an eye—opener when she became prime minister. i should make clear that you don't work for the bbc anymore so you can pick really really. no, i'm in, and kwasi kwarteng

used— no, i'm in, and kwasi kwarteng used to— no, i'm in, and kwasi kwarteng used to come _ no, i'm in, and kwasi kwarteng used to come on— no, i'm in, and kwasi kwarteng used to come on when - no, i'm in, and kwasi kwarteng used to come on when he - no, i'm in, and kwasi kwarteng used to come on when he was. no, i'm in, and kwasi kwartengj used to come on when he was a hack— used to come on when he was a hack venture _ used to come on when he was a back venture and _ used to come on when he was a back venture and was _ used to come on when he was a back venture and was very- back venture and was very decisive _ back venture and was very decisive about _ back venture and was very decisive about what - back venture and was very decisive about what he i back venture and was very- decisive about what he thought, but haven't _ decisive about what he thought, but haven't seen _ decisive about what he thought, but haven't seen anything - decisive about what he thought, but haven't seen anything quite| but haven't seen anything quite so, and — but haven't seen anything quite so, and compared _ but haven't seen anything quite so, and compared with- but haven't seen anything quite so, and compared with leaving i so, and compared with leaving the rm — so, and compared with leaving the rm or— so, and compared with leaving the rm or the _ so, and compared with leaving the rm or the devaluation, ii the rm or the devaluation, i havent— the rm or the devaluation, i haven't seen— the rm or the devaluation, i haven't seen anything - the rm or the devaluation, i. haven't seen anything quite so melodramatic— haven't seen anything quite so melodramatic as— haven't seen anything quite so melodramatic as this. - haven't seen anything quite so melodramatic as this.- melodramatic as this. really, does it stand _ melodramatic as this. really, does it stand out? _ melodramatic as this. really, does it stand out? it - melodramatic as this. really, does it stand out? it stands l does it stand out? it stands out because _ does it stand out? it stands out because i _ does it stand out? it stands out because i think - does it stand out? it stands out because i think what i does it stand out? it stands i out because i think what kwasi kwarteng _ out because i think what kwasi kwarteng announced _ out because i think what kwasi kwarteng announced was i out because i think what kwasi i kwarteng announced was massive change _ kwarteng announced was massive change and — kwarteng announced was massive change and this _ kwarteng announced was massive change and this 45% _ kwarteng announced was massive change and this 45% tax - change and this 45% tax dropping _ change and this 45% tax dropping to _ change and this 45% tax dropping to 40 - change and this 45% tax| dropping to 40 suddenly change and this 45% tax i dropping to 40 suddenly at a time — dropping to 40 suddenly at a time when _ dropping to 40 suddenly at a time when people _ dropping to 40 suddenly at a time when people are - dropping to 40 suddenly at a time when people are chilly. time when people are chilly already— time when people are chilly already deciding _ time when people are chilly already deciding either i time when people are chilly already deciding either to l time when people are chilly. already deciding either to buy already deciding either to buy a pullover— already deciding either to buy a pullover and _ already deciding either to buy a pullover and not— already deciding either to buy a pullover and not turn - already deciding either to buy a pullover and not turn the i a pullover and not turn the heating _ a pullover and not turn the heating on— a pullover and not turn the heating on or— a pullover and not turn the heating on or we _ a pullover and not turn the heating on or we can't i a pullover and not turn thel heating on or we can't have a pullover and not turn the i heating on or we can't have hot meals — heating on or we can't have hot meals and _ heating on or we can't have hot meals and heat _ heating on or we can't have hot meals and heat our _ heating on or we can't have hot meals and heat our houses i heating on or we can't have hot meals and heat our houses at i meals and heat our houses at the same _ meals and heat our houses at the same time _ meals and heat our houses at the same time and _ meals and heat our houses at the same time and all- meals and heat our houses at the same time and all that. meals and heat our houses at the same time and all that is| the same time and all that is going — the same time and all that is going on. _ the same time and all that is going on. it _ the same time and all that is going on. itjust_ the same time and all that is going on, itjust seems- going on, itjust seems extraordinary. - going on, itjust seems extraordinary. it- going on, itjust seems extraordinary. it is- going on, itjust seems extraordinary. it is a i going on, itjust seems- extraordinary. it is a complete shitstorm _ extraordinary. it is a complete shitstorm for— extraordinary. it is a complete shitstorm for people - extraordinary. it is a complete shitstorm for people who i shitstorm for people who havem _ shitstorm for people who have... ., . , shitstorm for people who have- - -— shitstorm for people who have... ., ., have... you really have left the bbc. — have. .. you really have left the bbc, haven't— have... you really have left the bbc, haven't you! i have... you really have leftj the bbc, haven't you! after nine o'clock, i'm sure it is

fine. , , ., fine. interesting you said about the _ fine. interesting you said about the leadership i fine. interesting you said i about the leadership contest, rishi sunak leadership campaign is ageing rather welcome i don't know what you think about whether there any buyers' remorse or hindsight coming into... �* ., ., ., into... i'm not close enough to how many _ into... i'm not close enough to how many 160,000 _ into... i'm not close enough to how many 160,000 people i into... i'm not close enough to| how many 160,000 people who chose _ how many 160,000 people who chose our— how many 160,000 people who chose our prime _ how many 160,000 people who| chose our prime minister. which in itself— chose our prime minister. which in itself is — chose our prime minister. which in itself is rather— chose our prime minister. which in itself is rather weird. - in itself is rather weird. actually— in itself is rather weird. actually i_ in itself is rather weird. actually i am _ in itself is rather weird. actually i am really- in itself is rather weird. i actually i am really against that — actually i am really against that way— actually i am really against that way of— actually i am really against that way of choosing - actually i am really against that way of choosing the i actually i am really against i that way of choosing the leader of a party, _ that way of choosing the leader of a party. both— that way of choosing the leader of a party, both in— that way of choosing the leader of a party, both in the - that way of choosing the leader of a party, both in the labor. of a party, both in the labor party— of a party, both in the labor party and _ of a party, both in the labor party and conservative i of a party, both in the labori party and conservative party. of a party, both in the labor. party and conservative party. i think— party and conservative party. i think the — party and conservative party. i think the mps_ party and conservative party. i think the mps who _ party and conservative party. i think the mps who have - party and conservative party. i think the mps who have been. think the mps who have been elected — think the mps who have been elected democratically- think the mps who have been elected democratically otheri elected democratically other people — elected democratically other people who _ elected democratically other people who should - elected democratically other people who should choose . elected democratically other i people who should choose who leads _ people who should choose who leads the — people who should choose who leads the party. _ people who should choose who leads the party. i— people who should choose who leads the party. i think- people who should choose who leads the party. i think it - people who should choose who leads the party. i think it is i leads the party. i think it is completely— leads the party. i think it is completely crazy— leads the party. i think it is completely crazy that - leads the party. i think it is completely crazy that the l completely crazy that the system _ completely crazy that the system that _ completely crazy that the system that the - completely crazy that the system that the tories i completely crazy that the l system that the tories did because _ system that the tories did because when— system that the tories did because when labour- system that the tories did because when labour said j system that the tories did i because when labour said you cannot— because when labour said you cannot have _ because when labour said you cannot have a _ because when labour said you cannot have a vote _ because when labour said you cannot have a vote and - cannot have a vote and leadership— cannot have a vote and leadership is— cannot have a vote and leadership is very i cannot have a vote and - leadership is very democratic like that— leadership is very democratic like that the _ leadership is very democratic like that the tories _ leadership is very democratic like that the tories said i leadership is very democratic like that the tories said we . like that the tories said we are being _ like that the tories said we are being left _ like that the tories said we are being left behind - like that the tories said we are being left behind we i like that the tories said we i are being left behind we must do the — are being left behind we must do the same _ are being left behind we must do the same thing _ are being left behind we must do the same thing and - are being left behind we must do the same thing and they. do the same thing and they introduced _ do the same thing and they introduced the _ do the same thing and they introduced the system, i do the same thing and they introduced the system, it l do the same thing and theyj introduced the system, it is do the same thing and they. introduced the system, it is a lunatic— introduced the system, it is a lunatic system. _ introduced the system, it is a lunatic system. i— introduced the system, it is a lunatic system.— lunatic system. i suppose on the whole — lunatic system. i suppose on the whole the _ lunatic system. i suppose on the whole the mandate i lunatic system. i suppose on the whole the mandate of. lunatic system. i suppose on | the whole the mandate of her election— the whole the mandate of her

election point, it is very hard for any— election point, it is very hard for any institution to wind back_ for any institution to wind back a _ for any institution to wind back a mandate. so as much as there _ back a mandate. so as much as there is— back a mandate. so as much as there is an _ back a mandate. so as much as there is an argument that says we _ there is an argument that says mps decide, once a party has given— mps decide, once a party has given it — mps decide, once a party has given it to— mps decide, once a party has given it to the membership, to id given it to the membership, to go back— given it to the membership, to go back to _ given it to the membership, to go back to the model of it being _ go back to the model of it being decided by mps is quite tricky— being decided by mps is quite tricky because you would have to make — tricky because you would have to make a _ tricky because you would have to make a case about taking power — to make a case about taking power away from people. i think the big — power away from people. i think the big question though was that— the big question though was that they got this date inked in almost two months away at the tail— in almost two months away at the tail end of november for this kind _ the tail end of november for this kind of fiscal planners day— this kind of fiscal planners day as_ this kind of fiscal planners day as they call it. can they wait — day as they call it. can they wait that— day as they call it. can they wait that long if the markets continue _ wait that long if the markets continue to be turbulent, interest— continue to be turbulent, interest rates go up which i think— interest rates go up which i think is— interest rates go up which i think is inevitable and politically thingsjust think is inevitable and politically things just get very. _ politically things just get very, very tricky for the government. | very, very tricky for the government.— government. i am also intrigued, _ government. i am also intrigued, over - government. i am also intrigued, over the - government. i am also l intrigued, over the years government. i am also - intrigued, over the years of question time and those panels, because they have a panel show, watching politicians change, evolve from the parties, in your mind, has there been a seachange in the quality or the standard or the type of politicians that we have for all the parties?—

politicians that we have for all the parties? yes but i am loathe to _ all the parties? yes but i am loathe to say _ all the parties? yes but i am loathe to say that _ all the parties? yes but i am loathe to say that they - all the parties? yes but i am loathe to say that they are l loathe to say that they are just — loathe to say that they are just not _ loathe to say that they are just not as _ loathe to say that they are just not as good _ loathe to say that they are just not as good as - loathe to say that they are just not as good as they i loathe to say that they are i just not as good as they used to be — just not as good as they used to be which— just not as good as they used to be which is— just not as good as they used to be which is the _ just not as good as they used to be which is the way- just not as good as they used j to be which is the way people look— to be which is the way people took at — to be which is the way people took at it. _ to be which is the way people look at it, but _ to be which is the way people look at it, but in— to be which is the way people look at it, but in a _ to be which is the way people look at it, but in a sense, - look at it, but in a sense, they— look at it, but in a sense, they are _ look at it, but in a sense, they are different - look at it, but in a sense, they are different from i look at it, but in a sense, . they are different from what they used _ they are different from what they used to _ they are different from what they used to be, _ they are different from what they used to be, i— they are different from what they used to be, ithink- they used to be, i think because _ they used to be, i think because of— they used to be, i think because of a _ they used to be, i think because of a lot - they used to be, i think because of a lot of - they used to be, i think because of a lot of it i they used to be, i think. because of a lot of it just because _ because of a lot of it just because of— because of a lot of it just because of social- because of a lot of it just because of social medial because of a lot of it just i because of social media and because of a lot of it just - because of social media and the pressure — because of social media and the pressure is _ because of social media and the pressure is how— because of social media and the pressure is now being _ because of social media and the pressure is now being a - pressure is now being a politician _ pressure is now being a politician and _ pressure is now being a politician and the - pressure is now being a i politician and the constant need — politician and the constant need to _ politician and the constant need to explain _ politician and the constant need to explain and - politician and the constant need to explain and then i politician and the constant. need to explain and then you -et need to explain and then you get attacked _ need to explain and then you get attacked immediately - need to explain and then you - get attacked immediately you've said something _ get attacked immediately you've said something and _ get attacked immediately you've said something and then- get attacked immediately you've said something and then you - said something and then you have — said something and then you have people _ said something and then you have people saying - said something and then you have people saying don't- said something and then you have people saying don't goi said something and then you . have people saying don't go on question— have people saying don't go on question time, _ have people saying don't go on question time, there - have people saying don't go on question time, there is - have people saying don't go on| question time, there is nothing in it question time, there is nothing ih it for— question time, there is nothing in it for you _ question time, there is nothing in it for you. that _ question time, there is nothing in it for you. that didn't- in it for you. that didn't happen— in it for you. that didn't happen irr— in it for you. that didn't happen in the _ in it for you. that didn't happen in the past - in it for you. that didn't happen in the past stop in it for you. that didn't- happen in the past stop the big stop politics. _ happen in the past stop the big stop politics, the _ happen in the past stop the big stop politics, the people - happen in the past stop the big stop politics, the people that l stop politics, the people that are used _ stop politics, the people that are used to _ stop politics, the people that are used to think— stop politics, the people that are used to think great, - stop politics, the people that are used to think great, they| are used to think great, they are used to think great, they are on— are used to think great, they are on this _ are used to think great, they are on this week's _ are used to think great, they are on this week's topic - 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is more important than the conservative party is the country and a lot of people were frankly scared about some of the really volatile movements in the market and thatis movements in the market and that is something that i feel very deeply and as any mp of any colour should always try to avoid those sorts of things happening to constituents so i think we have to think very practically about reassuring people and a big part of that is reassuring the market so that we don't get those sort of outcomes in the future.- outcomes in the future. have kwasi kwarteng _ outcomes in the future. have kwasi kwarteng and - outcomes in the future. have kwasi kwarteng and liz - outcomes in the future. have kwasi kwarteng and liz trussj kwasi kwarteng and liz truss been — kwasi kwarteng and liz truss been reckless? no kwasi kwarteng and liz truss been reckless?— kwasi kwarteng and liz truss been reckless? no i don't think that been _ been reckless? no i don't think that been reckless _ been reckless? no i don't think that been reckless because - been reckless? no i don't think| that been reckless because they know how much work goes into these things and how much preparation and thinking they would have done but it is obvious that the markets did not take this well and from my reading of it and speaking to various people in the city who have been actively looking at this and in many cases actually participating in it, they felt that it was that worry about

inflation and the weak pound against the dollar which is the thing they have been really worried about with the uk and if we have a weak pound you can pass onto the dollar it means we are all getting poorer so contributes to inflation. when ou were contributes to inflation. when you were talking _ contributes to inflation. when you were talking to _ contributes to inflation. when you were talking to people . contributes to inflation. when | you were talking to people like currency traders and fund managers which it sounds like you have been doing this week, did anyone say, oh and the stuff that you posted on radio last week admitted to that? will obviously they were react into a specific thing which was the many budget or whatever we need to call it, that is obviously true. the big movements in the market were precipitated by this thing. but also, it is also true to say and i have heard certain of my colleagues say this and this is right, that internationally, there is a huge amount of all agility going on. we have got a lot of worries in the international markets, a lot of debt across all the g7, a war going on, energy problems, there was that gas leakage or something happened in the

nordstrom pipeline between russia and eastern europe, there is a lot going on that people are worried about. in people are worried about. in the polls, how the public would appear— the polls, how the public would appear they are responding to, there _ appear they are responding to, there is— appear they are responding to, there is this new pole for the times— there is this new pole for the timesjust come out giving labour— timesjust come out giving labour a _ timesjust come out giving labour a 33 point lead, 54 for labour— labour a 33 point lead, 54 for labour and just 21 for the conservative. i should insert a caveat, — conservative. i should insert a caveat, whenever there is a poll— caveat, whenever there is a poll that— caveat, whenever there is a poll that seems grabby and makes _ poll that seems grabby and makes big headlines, the caveat shoutd _ makes big headlines, the caveat should be — makes big headlines, the caveat should be even bigger because of its _ should be even bigger because of its an— should be even bigger because of its an outlay and might be wrong — of its an outlay and might be wrong and there are two other polls _ wrong and there are two other polls they will just wrong and there are two other polls they willjust mention today. _ polls they willjust mention today, 39 for labour and 39 for the conservatives, one from redfield, 46 for labour and 29 for the — redfield, 46 for labour and 29 for the conservatives, that is massively, a similar lead from the other— massively, a similar lead from the other day. politics is a difficult _ the other day. politics is a difficult business, isn't it? you — difficult business, isn't it? you get _ difficult business, isn't it? you get short—term contracts from _ you get short—term contracts from the — you get short—term contracts from the electorate, things can be very— from the electorate, things can be very volatile. ijust wonder when — be very volatile. ijust wonder when you _ be very volatile. ijust wonder when you guys see this sort of stuff— when you guys see this sort of stuff and — when you guys see this sort of stuff and then you've got your conference injust a couple of days. — conference injust a couple of days, would either be right to

predict — days, would either be right to predict that there might be quite — predict that there might be quite a _ predict that there might be quite a few conservative mps who — quite a few conservative mps who don't fancy that trip to birmingham next week? we will see, and there _ birmingham next week? we will see, and there is _ birmingham next week? we will see, and there is no _ birmingham next week? we will see, and there is no point - see, and there is no point saying politicians don't look at polls, that's when you know at polls, that's when you know a politician is lying to you when they say they never look at polls, of course we will do and when polls are good for your party you celebrate them and send them around, but i think going back to what we said at the beginning, it is clear that we need to show the public and the markets of government debt of which we got a lot, in particular bringing down inflation, meaning we need to bring down these high prices we got all over the place but also over the medium term making sure that we can get more growth in the economy and, and this is something that i don't think was focused on enough by anybody, though there are some things in the growth plan of chancellor patel and getting the government working more effect of lead. but

getting the government working more effect of lead.— more effect of lead. but what are ou more effect of lead. but what are you going _ more effect of lead. but what are you going to _ more effect of lead. but what are you going to do? - more effect of lead. but what are you going to do? what i more effect of lead. but what are you going to do? what is| are you going to do? what is the government going to do to bring _ the government going to do to bring down inflation? that the government going to do to bring down inflation?— bring down inflation? that is a big question- _ bring down inflation? that is a big question. there _ bring down inflation? that is a big question. there are - bring down inflation? that is a big question. there are a - big question. there are a couple of things stopping the first is something we have done which is the energy intervention what that does is it limits inflation by quite a lot stopping the second thing we need to do is we do need to be a down on spending. it means on the tax side we need to be careful about tax cuts and the ones we are giving generate the matter with economic activity. [10 generate the matter with economic activity. do they do that, do economic activity. do they do that. do they _ economic activity. do they do that, do they meet _ economic activity. do they do that, do they meet your- that, do they meet your requirements?- that, do they meet your reauirements? ., ., requirements? some of them do, some of them _ requirements? some of them do, some of them i _ requirements? some of them do, some of them i would _ requirements? some of them do, some of them i would have - requirements? some of them do, some of them i would have made | some of them i would have made different choices. the basic rate was really important, strongly support that, the 45p, although i support it, if you are looking for minorities i would have focused on people earning between 45000 and 80,000 pounds, they spend more

of the extra money when they get as i would have focused on that and looked at the 80 as well. ~ , ., , that and looked at the 80 as well. ~ , , ., well. will you be showing the government _ well. will you be showing the government as _ well. will you be showing the government as a _ well. will you be showing the government as a party - well. will you be showing the government as a party you i well. will you be showing the. government as a party you will be doing those things if you fail to evaporate benefits and pensions in line with inflation? i pensions in line with inflation?— pensions in line with inflation? ., �* ,, ., inflation? i don't know the numbers _ inflation? i don't know the numbers on _ inflation? i don't know the numbers on that, - inflation? i don't know the numbers on that, i - inflation? i don't know the numbers on that, i would | numbers on that, i would guess... numbers on that, i would guess - -_ numbers on that, i would guess - -- i - numbers on that, i would guess. . .- ijust - numbers on that, i would | guess. . .- ijust don't guess... 1096? i 'ust don't know, uh guess... 1096? i 'ust don't know. it is _ guess... 1096? ijust don't know, it is obviously - guess... 1096? ijust don't| know, it is obviously going guess... 1096? i just don't . know, it is obviously going to be a very big call, if you don't do that, the question is, what else are you doing, why are you making other choices? this is what i don't get about politics, you supported rishi sunak all summer he said if you do x and y, and b will happen, the government has done x and y and anb seven, even though and you are here defending it. i you are here defending it. i wasn't defending anything i was explaining howl wasn't defending anything i was explaining how i saw how things

work. 50 explaining how i saw how things work, , ., ., ., work. so you are not defending the government? _ work. so you are not defending the government? i— work. so you are not defending the government? i didn't - work. so you are not defending the government? i didn't come j the government? i didn't come here to defend _ the government? i didn't come j here to defend the government but explain howl here to defend the government but explain how i see situation and i have explained in a to you nuanced way for some but i have tried to explain it in a file. the rabbits of as i like and bits i would have liked to have done differently.- have done differently. thank ou ve have done differently. thank you very much _ have done differently. thank you very much for _ have done differently. thank you very much for talking - have done differently. thank you very much for talking us| you very much for talking us through what was going on and how works and the nuances that may be sometimes are a bit absent some of the louder commentary. it absent some of the louder commentary.— absent some of the louder commentary. absent some of the louder commenta . commentary. it is a pleasure as alwa s. commentary. it is a pleasure as always chris. _ commentary. it is a pleasure as always. chris, goodbye - commentary. it is a pleasure as always. chris, goodbye to, - commentary. it is a pleasure as always. chris, goodbye to, see| always. chris, goodbye to, see ou in always. chris, goodbye to, see you in birmingham _ always. chris, goodbye to, see you in birmingham for- always. chris, goodbye to, see you in birmingham for the - you in birmingham for the conservative party conference. as promised we are joined conservative party conference. as promised we arejoined by steve coogan who has a new about finding the remains of richard iii in a car park, the film, planting. iwant richard iii in a car park, the film, planting. i want to get your reaction to what is

happening in politics over the last four days? i happening in politics over the last four days?— last four days? i am baffled, even from — last four days? i am baffled, even from a _ last four days? i am baffled, even from a strategic - last four days? i am baffled, even from a strategic point l last four days? i am baffled, | even from a strategic point of view, the effect there will be a palpable, people, who standard of living, all that will i find that is pie is it because they thought this will because they thought this will be our only chance to put in place over the next 18 months or two years the kind of things we dreamt of doing.— we dreamt of doing. talking from a tactical— we dreamt of doing. talking from a tactical point - we dreamt of doing. talking from a tactical point of- we dreamt of doing. talking from a tactical point of view| from a tactical point of view you might think we will probably lose that anyway so why do we roll the dice with something radical and see if it works. to something radical and see if it works. ., , ., , works. to me, they are trying to fast track _ works. to me, they are trying to fast track and _ works. to me, they are trying to fast track and experiment i to fast track and experiment they had 30 years to play out.

that milton friedman economics, we realised worked a little, so they didn't. we realised worked a little, so they didn't-— they didn't. i'm not going to robe they didn't. i'm not going to probe into — they didn't. i'm not going to probe into your _ they didn't. i'm not going to probe into your finances - they didn't. i'm not going to probe into your finances but j they didn't. i'm not going to i probe into your finances but a big movie star like you you will be in touch from that? i have never tried to squirrel away my taxes and an offshore account or any like that, my accountant is annoyingly uncreative.— accountant is annoyingly uncreative. ,, . , uncreative. second. will you be one of those — uncreative. second. will you be one of those then _ uncreative. second. will you be one of those then that - uncreative. second. will you be one of those then that can - one of those then that can spend that money to create that growth in the economy? i just... i do spend my money, i don't save a lot of as i spend it on things and sometimes people and all the rest of it, i, people and all the rest of it, i, i don't think that is going to have a tangible effect on such a short amount of time. i suppose, there is a slight possibility it is high—stakes

because it might work, i think thatis because it might work, i think that is what they are doing, there might be that kind of siege entelechy, we have nothing to lose. that is the only way i can explain.- only way i can explain. you were a labour _ only way i can explain. you were a labour support - only way i can explain. you were a labour support in i only way i can explain. you were a labour support in the past how do you think they did with the conference this week? was it something you were tuning into? i was it something you were tuning into?— was it something you were tunin: into? , ., , tuning into? i swing from very left-wing _ tuning into? i swing from very left-wing and _ tuning into? i swing from very left-wing and slightly - left—wing and slightly left—wing and slightly left—wing depending on the mood i'm in. i understand the game they are playing, they have to be very careful not to spook the traditional labour voters, and be all things to all men. it did make me laugh when frankie llori keir starmer ran as a pigeon it wouldn't move. we did the section on music we had god save the king of the first time opening for the labour party conference and the red flag ending, i always like it when people are shuffling through.

it when people are shuffling throuuh. �* ,, ., it when people are shuffling throuuh. �* ., ., through. are you looking for a kina through. are you looking for a king segway- _ through. are you looking for a king segway. next _ through. are you looking for a king segway. next friday, - through. are you looking for a king segway. next friday, it i through. are you looking for a | king segway. next friday, it is robabl king segway. next friday, it is probably the — king segway. next friday, it is probably the best _ king segway. next friday, it is probably the best archaeology | probably the best archaeology fell since indiana jones and the last crusade. it’s fell since indiana jones and the last crusade. it's cheaper. a lot more — the last crusade. it's cheaper. a lot more of _ the last crusade. it's cheaper. a lot more of listed _ the last crusade. it's cheaper. a lot more of listed in - the last crusade. it's cheaper. a lot more of listed in it. - a lot more of listed in it. that's one of the selling points, less action and more of leicester. it sounds great though. it's a great story. it's partly about the discovery of a dead king, but what drew me to the story wasn't that part of it, it was the story of her personaljourney and quest to find the body of a dead king which is what she set about doing stop and the richard iii and it is like a trojan horse, telling her story. by, and it is like a tro'an horse, telling her story._ telling her story. a lot of it is about — telling her story. a lot of it is about richard _ telling her story. a lot of it is about richard iii, - telling her story. a lot of it| is about richard iii, unfairly portrayed, everyone thinks they know him, that is all people

with vested interest to want to portray him a certain way, is that how you felt at various points being a public figure in every one thinks they know who you are? i every one thinks they know who ou are? .. . �* you are? i think what i'm pointing _ you are? i think what i'm pointing at _ you are? i think what i'm pointing at in _ you are? i think what i'm pointing at in this - you are? i think what i'm pointing at in this film i you are? i think what i'm i pointing at in this film which is something that is important to me, there is what i would call kind of an elitist, establishment that disenfranchise those who haven't gone through the same process. and ifelt that haven't gone through the same process. and i felt that in the past, there was a little bit and this is cross political, who the hell does he think he is. having opinions, this provincial polytechnic boy. all the peas. i do think there is some of that going on, something i gravitated towards. i have got ships fish and mushy peas on my shoulder. there is

something to be said, not that the normal kind of goliath type institutions which are pernicious, like multinational companies but there is a certain sort of intellectual elitism that is at play that disenfranchise as people, autodidact rent stuff along the way. autodidact rent stuff along the wa . , , autodidact rent stuff along the wa . , y ., autodidact rent stuff along the wa . , , ., . , way. university of leicester who you — way. university of leicester who you portray _ way. university of leicester who you portray as - way. university of leicester who you portray as baddies| way. university of leicester l who you portray as baddies in this film have hit back strongly saying it's not accurate how you portrayed them. ., , them. 0k, right, to put it simply. — them. 0k, right, to put it simply. they _ them. 0k, right, to put it simply, they started i them. 0k, right, to put it simply, they started it, . them. 0k, right, to put it. simply, they started it, ten years ago, the central plank of their claim as they, group of academics from leicester university led the search for richard iii, that in my opinion is not true. the search for richard iii was led by a woman, one woman by herself called philippa langley who was a housewife. this philippa langley who was a housewife.—

housewife. as an academic institution _ housewife. as an academic institution if _ housewife. as an academic institution if you _ housewife. as an academic i institution if you acknowledge that it makes you look foolish, and i use the caris —— comparison with longitude and the royal society and combined mines of oxford couldn't acknowledge the fact that yorkshire clockmaker had beat them at their own game there is something at play like this with lipper, she did her research, she raised the money, she got permission on the license to do the deck from leicester city council, she hired leicester city archaeological society is the client, she raised the money, she excavated it, she told them we today call the things that had been relegated to footnotes on the list university account. and when i spoke to philippa she said to me she felt marginalised as an amateur. brute marginalised as an amateur. we are speaking to you on the greatest day in local radio history, liz truss's morning round with all the bbc local radio stations. as the creator of one of the greatest local

radio broadcasters, what you think of what happened this morning? think of what happened this mornin: ? �* , think of what happened this morning?— think of what happened this mornin-? h , , , morning? it's funny because alan, it would _ morning? it's funny because alan, it would be _ morning? it's funny because alan, it would be fully i morning? it's funny because | alan, it would be fully signed up alan, it would be fully signed up member of the liz truss fan club because she takes all his boxes. he would have loved to have gotten the in—depth 45 minute exclusive. do have gotten the in-depth 45 minute exclusive.— minute exclusive. do you believe — minute exclusive. do you believe in _ minute exclusive. do you believe in the _ minute exclusive. do you believe in the power i minute exclusive. do you believe in the power of l minute exclusive. do you i believe in the power of local radio? i believe in the power of local radio? ., ., , believe in the power of local radio? ., ., ., radio? i do, actually, i am a big admirer. _ radio? i do, actually, i am a big admirer, we _ radio? i do, actually, i am a big admirer, we do - radio? i do, actually, i am a big admirer, we do poke i radio? i do, actually, i am a| big admirer, we do poke fun radio? i do, actually, i am a. big admirer, we do poke fun at it that doesn't mean i don't love, and this polarised world you live in you can mock the things you actually love. you do that in relationships, and family that is how the british show affection, they take the (interjections). so, ithink show affection, they take the (interjections). so, i think it is good. and i like it is almost in a volatile world, local radio seems to be unchanging.— local radio seems to be

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we worked closely with philippa langley through the project and she was not sidelined by the university. in that film is out next friday so you can decide. that's it for the newscast. newscast from the bbc. hello. well, it's fairly clear and calm across most of the uk right now, but later on, we are expecting wind and rain to sweep right across the country. a big autumn low is on the way, and here it is on the weather map. a lot of isobars there, and that does mean some very strong winds, especially in northwestern parts of the uk. let's have a look at the forecast for the early hours. you can see that broad band of rain sweeping into ireland and western parts of scotland,

a good squeeze in the isobars here. that means strengthening winds. but further east and south, it's a completely different picture — light winds, calm, mist and fog in a few places and really quite chilly. on those winds, gusting through the morning up to 70 mph in the western isles of scotland, and really very windy around the irish sea coasts and down towards the south—west as well. now, here's that band of rain around lunchtime, and then later on in the afternoon, it'll reach other parts of the uk. but the weather will improve out towards the northwest later on in the afternoon. within the band of rain, it'll be very windy and temperatures will be 12—14 celsius. then, friday night, that rain turns heavy in east anglia and the south—east, and eventually, it'll sweep into the near continent by the time we get to early saturday. and here is saturday. that low pressure is very broad and it's still driving our weather. in fact, the winds will remain brisk on saturday, although not quite as strong, but they will blow in some

showers off the atlantic. they will be most frequent out towards the north—west here. hail and thunder is quite possible. it southern parts of the uk, given a bit of sunshine, it actually shouldn't be too bad at all. and later, saturday night into sunday, we are expecting another weather front to just brush southern parts of the uk. some uncertainty exactly how quickly that rain will clear away on sunday, but the thinking is by the time we get to the afternoon, most of us should have a dry day. just before i go, an update on tropical storm ian — it's out in the atlantic, but the second landfall is now expected on the south carolina coast. and the storm surge around the south—east of the united states, again, is likely to cause problems and heavy rain inland as well. bye— bye.

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