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this is bbc world news. the headlines... a concert in moscow's red square as president putin tells the invited audience, "victory will be ours." the west has announced more sanctions in response. presidents and linsky applies for the military alliance and says ukraine won't negotiate as long as vladimir putin is in power. hurricane ian makes landfall in south carolina after it hit florida earlier this week, causing severe devastation. and in brazil, the first round of the presidential election is coming up on sunday. it's a vote billed as brazil's most important one since the country returned to democracy in 1989. a suicide bombing in kabul
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has killed 19 people. the attack targeted a tuition centre holding a mock university entrance exam. many of the victims were teenage girls. first, newscast. hello again, jo. adam, it's been a while. making a triumphant return to thursday night television, although about an hour late. good evening. are you happy with your chair? i imagine it's top of the range chair. the question time—share is... i
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always had it higher than any of the guests. i'm quite tall. if ever you are lower, it was a nightmare because he couldn't control it. no moment but also, when you get bored you just pull the lever. chris, i just want to get your take of what was happening on local radio this morning. liz truss faced some really tough questions. yeah, she really did. it was a sort of wonderful quirk of the kind of political ecology. i was sitting on a train on the way back from the labour conference and bbc radio tees last night were tweeting that they had the prime minister on this morning, and people were thinking,
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"what, she's disappeared and she's popped up on radio tees?" of course, what she was doing was a round of local radio interviews which happens at this kind of time before the party conferences every single year and it has been in the diary for ages, probably even before she was prime minister. and so, yeah, she gave an hour this morning between 8am and 9am, talking to radio leeds and lancashire and norfolk and various other stations, before she talked to anybody else publicly about what has happened this week. so they got the exclusive and my goodness, they gave her a hard time, a hard time on the big national picture, a hard time on disappearing and not being seen in public for the last few days and then a hard time on the kind of specifics that you or me orjo could ask about, say, fracking, but you know what, if graham liver on radio lancashire asks it, where they have done trials and where there were those little shakes, then it is, you know, a little bit harder to grapple with. so, yeah, a pretty tough outing for the prime minister. after that, she did a shedload of regional television interviews as well. the key thing is, though, the message from her was they are not changing.
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they are sticking to that budget from last week. they are ploughing on. and david, a lot of the questions she faced on local radio were about the falling value of the pound against the dollar, the increasing rate the government was having to pay for its debt and the intervention of the bank of england to help pension funds. you have seen a lot of financial crises over your very, very long career. how does this one fit into some of the older ones? well, in an odd way, _ it is a kind of echo of things that it's a kind of echo of things that have happened in the past. i mean, i rememberwhen the pound was $2.80. - gosh! in the late '60s, when harold wilson | devalued and said it doesn't devaluej the pound in your pocket and all of that. - and i remember when norman lamont . sang in the bath and we pulled out . of the erm and the pound plummeted, - and interest rates from the bank . of england went to 15%. these things are always like a storm when they happen and this one - is very extraordinary because i think somebody quite astutelyj said, it is as though the government | has got its foot on the accelerator, i
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accelerating, and at the very same time, the bank of england has- got its foot on the brake. and you know what happens, have you ever done that - in a car when you by mistake get your foot on both? - you break it? well, the car comes to a crashing halt. l other than the added twist, that there's other bits of the bank of england that have got their foot on another accelerator which is a smaller one. yes. yes. — but i do think it's extraordinary. i thought the victory- was interesting, of liz truss becoming prime minister, i thought was quite... - we knew her quite well- on question time over the years and it was quite an eye—opener. when she became prime minister. why do you say that? and i should make clear that you don't work for the bbc any more so you can speak really freely. don't hesitate with your interesting views. yes, don't tempt me. well, and kwasi kwarteng used to - come on when he was a backbencher. he was very voluble and very, you know, decisive about - what he thought and everything. but i do think, i mean, i haven't seen anything quite so, um... .
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compared with leaving the erm or the devaluation in the 60s, i i haven't seen anything quite so melodramatic as this. - really, you think it is, you think it stands out? well, i think it stands out - because what kwasi kwarteng announced was, you know, - was massive change, and this 45% tax, dropping to 40% suddenly, i at a time when people are actually already deciding either . to buy a pullover and not turn the heating on or, _ you know, we can't have hot meals and heat our houses at the same time and all that is going on. _ it just seems extraordinary. and i mean, it is a complete shitstorm for people - who are actually trying to sell abroad... - you have definitely left the bbc, haven't you? language like that! we are after the nine o'clock watershed, aren't we? i'm sure it's absolutely fine. your comment about liz truss, interesting, as you said the leadership contest, i spoke to a couple of tory mps who have said, who supported rishi sunak... yes.
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..who said they think his leadership campaign is ageing rather well. i don't know what you think about whether there's any sort of buyer's remorse or hindsight coming into it? look, i am not close enough to the... - how many is it, 160,000 people who chose our prime minister? i which itself is rather weird. actually, i am really- against that way of choosing the leader of the party, | both in the labour party and in the conservative party. i think the mps who have been elected democratically- are the people who should choose who leads the party. _ i i think it is completely crazy, i the system the tories did to ape labour because when labour sort i of said you can all have a vote i on the leadership, it's all very democratic like that, - the tories said, oh, - we are being left behind, we must do the same thing, - and they introduced this system. it is a lunatic system. well, i suppose, on the whole, the mandate of her election point, it's very hard, isn't it, for any institution to wind back a mandate? so, as much as there is an argument
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that says, let mps decide, once a party has given it to the membership, to go back to the model of it being decided by mps for any party i think is probably quite tricky, because you would have to make a case about taking power away from people. on the other stuff, i mean, i think what we are going to hear from kwasi kwarteng and what we will hear from liz truss next week i am also intrigued, over the years of question time and those panels, because i have a panel show, watching politicians change and evolve in the parties, in your mind, has there been a sea change in the quality or the standard or the type of politicians that we have from all the parties? yes, but i am loth to say, i
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you know, they are just not as good as they used to be, - which is the way people look at it. but in a sense, they are different from what they used _ to be because i think... a lot of it is because of social media and the pressures now of being a politician _ and the constant need to explain and then you get, you know, - attacked immediately you have said something and then you have spads saying, oh, no, - don't go on question time, i there's nothing in it for you. you know, that didn't happen in the past. l the big beasts of politics, - the people that i used to think, great, they're on this week, ken clarke, _ tony benn is on, you know, - michael heseltine, shirley williams, they, you know, they would say boo. to the goose and now everybody seems to be completely petrifiedl about opening their mouth because anything you say now is around the world, - in seconds, and you're under attack and your family is under attack- and you are being threatened and insulted and derided. -
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so, i think it's not - attracting as a profession quite the same kind of person, calibre of person, even, - that went into it in the years, in the 20 years after- the war, for instance. david, thank you very much, we could have chatted to you for hours but we don't have hours because we have our next guest patiently waiting to take your place, it's the conservative mp for hitchen and harpenden, bim afolami. welcome back to newscast. hello, how are you? how are you? - don't look at me like that! no one died. - no, they haven't. don't think so. well, its not been an easy week to be a conservative, has it? no, no. i mean, people have been giving you grief from all quarters, whether it's the imf, the bond market. my family? no, um...| look, it hasn't been an easy week. to be a conservative mp but frankly, it hasn't been an easy week to be a british citizen. _ and i think that what's more -
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important than the conservative party is the country and a lot| of people were frankly scared about some of the really volatile - movements of the market, and i think that is something that i feel very deeply, as does any. mp of whatever colour, - you should always try and avoid those sorts of things - happening to constituents. i think we've got to think very- practically about reassuring people and a big part of that is reassuring the markets so that you, - we don't get those kind i of outcomes in the future. have they been reckless, then, kwasi kwarteng and liz truss? have they been reckless? no, i don't think they've been reckless because i know howl much work, you know, _ goes into these things and how much preparation and how much thinking they would have done. _ but it's obvious that the markets didn't take this well, _ and from my reading of it- and speaking to various people in the city who have been actively looking at this, . and in many cases, actually participating in it, - they felt that it was that worry about inflation and the weak. pound against the dollar- which is the thing they have been really worried about with the uk. it's really important that people -
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understand why a weak pound matters. so, if we have a weak pound in comparison to the dollar, | it means we are all getting poorer and so that contributes _ to inflation. so, when you were talking to people like currency traders and fund managers, which it sounds like you have been doing this week, did any of them say, oh, and the stuff that you guys did on friday last week contributed to that? well, obviously, they were reacting to a specific thing _ which was the mini budget - or whatever we're going to call it. i mean, that's obviously true. the big movements in the market i were precipitated by this thing, i but also, it's also true l to say and i have heard, certain of my colleagues say this and this is right, - that internationally, . there's a huge amount of volatility going on. we've got a lot of worries i in the international markets. we have a lot of debt, notjust in the uk, - but across all of the g7. you have a war going on. . you have energy problems. there was that gas leakage or something happened - i in the pipeline, the nord stream, i between russia and eastern europe. there's a lot going on that people are worried about. | i thought i would ask about all things, the polls,
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how the public, it would appear, are responding to what is happening at the moment. there's this new yougov poll for the timesjust out, giving labour a 33—point lead, 54 for labour, just 21 for the conservatives. i should insert a caveat, whenever there is a poll that seems grabby and makes big headlines, the caveat should be even bigger because if it is an outlier, it might be wrong, and there are two other polls i'lljust mention today, one from kantar, 39 for labour, 35 for the conservatives, one from redfield and wilton, 46 for labour, 29 for the conservatives. that's a massive lead and matches a yougov poll with a similar lead of 17 points from the other day. i mean, politics is a difficult business, isn't it, you get short—term contracts from the electorate, things can be very volatile. ijust wonder when you guys see this sort of stuff, and then you have your conference injust a couple of days, would i be right to predict there might be a few
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conservative mps who don't fancy that trip to birmingham next week? they might be spending a lot more time in their constituencies? well, i mean, look, we'll see. and there's no point in saying politicians don't look at polls. that's when you know a politician is lying to you by the way, - when they say they never look at polls. _ of course we all do. and of course when polls are good | for your party you celebrate them| and send them around. when they're bad, you sort of hide quietly in a room. l going back to what i was saying at the beginning, it's clear- that we need to show the public and the markets that _ by british government debt, of which we have got a lot, i that we can be trusted _ with the economy and in particular bringing down inflation, _ that means we need to bring down these high prices that we have got all over the place. - | but also, over the medium term, | making sure that we can get more growth in the economy, and, and it's something i don't think was focussed enough on by anybody, i although there are some j things in the growth plan that the chancellor put out, | and getting the government working more effectively. what are you going to do, what's the government, what should they do to bring down inflation? it's a big question. - there are a couple of things.
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the first is something we have done, which is the energy intervention. - what that does is it limits inflation by quite a lot. i that's the first thing, - the second thing we need to do is we do need to bare down on spending. i now, that means... on the tax side we have got to be really careful about tax cuts - on the tax side, we have got to be really careful about tax cuts - and make sure that the tax cuts - that we are giving generate the most in economic activity, . so you get those back. and the tax cuts announced on friday, do they do that? do they meet your requirements? some of them do, some of them - i would have made different choices. i think the basic ratel was really important, very strongly support that. i think the 45p, though i support 45p if you're looking for priority, j i would have focussed on people earning maybe between - £35,000 and £80,000. because they have got quite a high, |what they call propensity to spend. | they spend more of their extra money when they get it. - for me, i would've focused on that. i would have looked at vat as well. will you be showing the country,
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as a government and a party, that you're doing those things if you fail to up rate benefits and pensions in line with inflation? i don't know the numbers on that. i can guess it's quite... 10%? i just don't know. but it's obviously going to be a very big call. i because if you don't i do that, the question is what else are you doing, - where your making other choices? where you're making other choices? sorry this is what ijust don't get about politics. so, you supported rishi sunak, all summer, rishi sunak said, if you do x and y, a and b will happen. the government has just done x and y, a and b has happened and you're here defending it, even though we know you think it's bad, because you signed up to the guy who said this would be bad if this happened. i mean, i wasn't defending anything. i was explaining i how i saw things were working. - i was explain i how i saw things were working. -
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so, you're not defending the government? no, i didn't come here - to defend the government, i'm not a member of the government. i came here to explain how i see |the situation and i've explained| it in admittedly a maybe too nuanced way for some, but i've tried - to present it in a fair way, as i see it. - and there are bits of it i liked and there are bits of it - i would have done differently. well, thank you very much for accepting our invite to newscast today. we appreciate you talking us through what is going on and how it works and the nuances that maybe sometimes are a bit absent in some of the like louder commentary about what is going on. it's a pleasure, as always. and chris, bye to you too, see you in birmingham for the tory party conference. see you in birmingham. cheers adam, cheers, jo. bye! as promised, we're now joined by steve coogan, who's got a new film out next week called the lost king, which is all about finding the remains of richard iii in a car park in leicester. hello, steve. hello. we're going to talk about the film plenty, but ijust wanted to get your reaction to all the stuff that's been happening in politics and the economy the last couple of days. in two minutes!
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i do think, i'm baffled, _ even from a strategic point of view, irrespective of the the ethics of it, to give tax... - a tax cut to the 1% in the hope that there will be a palpable, i tangible trickle down effect - to lower middle income people who will then spend that money and feel their standard of living| improve, and all that's _ going to happen within two years. ijust find that's pie in the sky. do you think it's just because they thought this is going to be our only chance to put in place over the next 18 months, two years, the sorts of things we have dreamt of doing? if you're talking from a sort of tactical point of view, . you might think that, - we're probably going to lose the next election anyway, i so why don't we roll the dice with something really radical and... and see if it works? but to me, they're sort of trying to fast track an experiment - that they had 30 years to play out. that milton friedman economics that we realise worked - a bit, until it didn't.
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i'm not going to probe into yourfinances, but i'm guessing like a big movie star like you, you will benefit from the 45p rate going? i've never tried to squirrel- away my taxes in off shore accounts or anything like that. my accountant is - annoyingly uncreative! sack him! are you going to be one of those . that can spend that money to create are you going to be one of those that can spend that money to create that growth in the economy? i do spend my money, i don't save a lot of it up, i spend it on things- and sometimes on people. but ijust... i don't think that's _ going to have a tangible effect in such a short amount of time. i suppose they're playing for high stakes that it might work. - i mean, i think that's what they're doing. l it maybe that siege mentality, we have got nothing to lose. l that is the only way
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i can explain it. - you've been a big labour supporter in the past, how do you think labour did with their conference this week? i don't know if it was something you were tuning into. i sort of swing between quite left wing and very left wing, - depending on what mood i'm in. i thought, i understand i the game they're playing. i think they have to be very careful not to spook - traditional labour voters. he's got to be all| things to all men. it did make me laugh i when frankie boyle said if keir starmer ran— as a pigeon, it wouldn't move. at a pigeon, it wouldn't move. we did a whole section on music, because we had god save the king for the first time opening the labour party conference as well as the red flag of course ending it. i always love it when people don't know all the word and they're quickly shuffling through. and the king segue. do you like that? yeah! the lost king is out next friday. i think it's probably the best archaeology film since indiana jones
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and the last crusade! it's cheaper! i i can imagine. there's lot more leicester in it. a lot more leicester, - that's one of big selling points. imagine indiana jones with less action and more of leicester. . it sounds great though. it's a great story. it's partly about... ..the discovery of a dead king. but what drew me to the story wasn't that part of it, - the historical part, _ it was the story of philipa langley and her personaljourney, - her struggle, her quest to find the body of a dead king, - which is what she set about doing. and the richard iii of it is sort of like a trojan horse - for telling her story. so, a lot it is about richard iii is unfairly portrayed, everyone thinks they know him, actually, that's a set of myths by people with vested interest, who wanted to portray him in a certain way. ijust wondered, is that maybe how felt at certain points,
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being a public figure, where everyone thinks they know who you are, but actually... i think what i'm pointing at in this film, which is something that, - is a deep—seated belief i have, there's a sort of what i would i call, certainly philipa langley was subjected to this, - l is an elitist establishment that i disenfranchises those who haven't gone through the same process. and i felt that in the past, i certainly when i was involved in hacked off, there's a bit of, and it is cross—political, - of who the hell does he think he is? really? having opinions, this... i provincial polytechnic boy! all the ps! i do think there's a bit of that going on and something - they gravitate towards. people say i have got. a chip on my shoulder. i've got fish, chips and mushy peas on my shoulder! - but i do think there _ is something to be said for not that the normal kind of... ..goliath type institutions that
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are pernicious like big - multinational companies, but there's a certain sorti of intellectual elitism that's at play that disenfranchisesj certain people or auto. didacts who have learned stuff along the way. so, the university of leicester who, you portray as the baddies in this film, they have hit back quite sort of strongly, saying it's not accurate how you've portrayed them. ok, right, well... put simply, they started it! because ten years ago... the central plank of their claim, it's a group of academics led - the search for the body of richard iii. - that, in my opinion, is not true. the search for richard. iii was led by a woman, one woman, by herself, called philipa langley, i who was a housewife from edinburgh. now, as an academic institution, if you acknowledge that, - you look rather foolish, | because and i often use the comparison with longitude, where the royal society- and the combined mind of oxford .
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and cambridge couldn't acknowledge the fact that a yorkshire clock maker had beaten them - at theirown game. this definitely something of that at play, _ because she did her research. she found where she i thought the body was. she raised the money. she, in fact, got permission to, a licence to do the dig - from leicester city council. she hired leicester- university archaeological society as the client. she was the client, i she raised the money, she instigated the dig, - she told them where to dig. all these things that have been... ..relegated to foot notes in - the leicester university's account. and when i spoke to philipa, she said she felt— marginalised as an amateur. we're speaking to you on basically on the greatest day in local radio history. liz truss's round with the bbc local radio stations. as the creator of one of the greatest local radio broadcaster, what do you think about what happened this morning? it's funny, because alan is... ..would be a fully signed up member
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of the liz truss fan club. _ because she ticks all his boxes. but he would have loved to have gotten the sort of in—depth - 45—minute exclusive. do you believe in the power of local radio? i do, actually, i'ml a big admirer of it. of course we poke fun at it, - butjust because you poke fun at it doesn't mean you don't love it. this is one of the things people often find in this polarised world we live in, you can mock the things . you actually love. you do that in relationships in family, that's how- the british show affection. they take the mickey. so, yeah, i think it is good. i quite like that it| is almost like a... in a volatile world you, radio, - local radio seems to be unchanging. and also liz truss is a norfolk mp, she would be on north norfolk digital every week! yeah, no, and in fact- new alan partridge podcast
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he does talk a bit. does he? he starts dating a woman called . catriona, who thinks is marvellous and she has bleached blonde hair and drives a range rover- and he says, what is she like. well, she is a bit like liz truss, so i'm meeting her later. - that's it. alan partridge and liz truss! steve, thank you. thank you. there's a statement from the university of leicester responding to the things in steve's film. they say "while we appreciate the film is based on real "events, it is fiction. "it is our view that the portrayal of the university is far removed "from the accurate work that took place. "we worked with philipa langley and she was not sidelined." and that's it.
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that is out next friday so people can decide. that's it. my view for what it's worth, it was brilliant. hello there. many parts of the country, particularly across england september has been a wetter than average month for many of us — in fact, the first wetter than average month since february. and we're ending the month on a fairly soggy note as well. we've had a lot of rain during friday. this band of rain eventually will be clearing away from the south coast as we head through this evening and tonight. so, clear skies developing tonight. still a scattering of showers in the north and west, but temperatures staying frost—free. we're looking at lows between about 7—13 in our towns and cities to start saturday. saturday brings more sunshine than we had on friday. drier conditions, but not dry everywhere.
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still a few showers blowing in on a brisk westerly wind, northern ireland and scotland and western fringes of england and wales, but few are reaching eastern areas. temperatures in the south—east, 19 degrees, but typically the mid to high teens for the north. the showers ease a little bit as we head through saturday evening and overnight into sunday, but the next area of rain is just looking out to the south—west. so, we could see some outbreaks of rain for southern england and perhaps south wales during sunday, but drier and brighter further north. bye— bye.
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