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many more wounded in a suicide bombing. they had been performing exams when they were killed. now, the media show. hello and welcome to the media show. i'm sure you've seen these are tumultuous times for these are tumultuous times for the uk economy and this is a story that is as complex as it is important in their ways getting the journalism right around the story and also ways of getting the journalism wrong. we will look at that and also from a man behind a whole raft of scoops, the sunday times will tell us how he glances stories and the stories of jane garvey leaving the bbc for times radio and we will hear the story according to

their agent. hear the story according to theiragent. let's hear the story according to their agent. let's begin with their agent. let's begin with the situation in the uk economy. and head of bloomberg economics and also joined by paul lewis, the presenter of moneybox. very welcomed and stephanie, even forsomeone moneybox. very welcomed and stephanie, even for someone who has covered these matters for some time, this is a particularly challenging story to get across. a, particularly challenging story to get across.— to get across. a bit of a double _ to get across. a bit of a double challenge. - to get across. a bit of a double challenge. the i to get across. a bit of a - double challenge. the british people have always through history, struggle to understand the importance of the pound changing value. they're not immediately about to go on holiday and we did start this week bring about the pound and pitting all—time lows. but another major part of the uncertainty, probably the most important part of the uncertainty in the market this week was the big run from uk government debt in the moment i start talking about gilts and bonds and yields going up, that you start getting into more

technical territory that people do not understand even though it actually means, mortgage products are being taken off the shelves and peoples mortgage rates are going up. should journalists even be using this phrase is? it's been notable that inflation is largely being replaced by the cost of living butjournalists have decided this is an easier phrase to take in. if have decided this is an easier phrase to take in.— phrase to take in. if easier to talk about — phrase to take in. if easier to talk about squeeze, - phrase to take in. if easier to talk about squeeze, talking l talk about squeeze, talking about that and if it comes to the pound, i think we find ourselves seeing the roads got a lot more expensive because i can get that across much of the heart of it. the problem of this dynamic is that the government debt market is i think people have to have some understanding that if international investors are becoming more concerned about britain's economic future, about the path the government is taking and how much borrowing it's got in store and charging more to lend to the uk government, we do have to start

teasing out the implications of that and so, yields, interest rates, that is borrowing costs notjust rates, that is borrowing costs not just for the rates, that is borrowing costs notjust for the government rates, that is borrowing costs not just for the government for the rest of us.— the rest of us. and your “0b is to try to i the rest of us. and your “0b is to try to connect * the rest of us. and your “0b is to try to connect these _ the rest of us. and yourjob is to try to connect these macro | to try to connect these macro issues, the price of the value of the pound, the cost of borrowing from the government with the experience of individuals and the lives they leading. individuals and the lives they leadinu. �* , , , ., leading. and yes, they tend to worry about — leading. and yes, they tend to worry about mortgages - leading. and yes, they tend to worry about mortgages but. leading. and yes, they tend to i worry about mortgages but most journalists have them if to remember in less than one and three _ remember in less than one and three people actually have a mortgage and so, mortgage rates rise, _ mortgage and so, mortgage rates rise, ill— mortgage and so, mortgage rates rise, ill effects on people now. _ rise, ill effects on people now. it _ rise, ill effects on people now, it will affect another million _ now, it will affect another million in a year put it won't affect— million in a year put it won't affect most people even with mortgages. so, you'd be careful in saying — mortgages. so, you'd be careful in saying that this is a disaster for mortgages. you can see mortgage rates will grow up but every— see mortgage rates will grow up but every time you use, whether it is bank— but every time you use, whether it is bank rate, inflation, you have — it is bank rate, inflation, you have to — it is bank rate, inflation, you have to explain it. i remember when — have to explain it. i remember when i — have to explain it. i remember when i woke up to this a long

time — when i woke up to this a long time ago. _ when i woke up to this a long time ago, i would never say that— time ago, i would never say that without saying that is the index — that without saying that is the index that shows the price of shares — index that shows the price of shares and our biggest companies in a sit a day after day and — companies in a sit a day after day and the producers got fed up day and the producers got fed up with— day and the producers got fed up with her. he said someone 'ust up with her. he said someone just started listening today, they— just started listening today, they have no idea what any of they have no idea what any of the system that explanation is a bit _ the system that explanation is a bit shorthand but it helps pe0pie _ a bit shorthand but it helps people understand the importance and as for the intervention by the bank of england today, i did hear one journalist _ england today, i did hear one journalist tried to explain what _ journalist tried to explain what was going on and as he was reading _ what was going on and as he was reading the statement, i don't blame — reading the statement, i don't blame them at all, he could not do it _ blame them at all, he could not do it it — blame them at all, he could not do it it is — blame them at all, he could not do it. it is completely impenetrable and emit a very good — impenetrable and emit a very good do — impenetrable and emit a very good go at it but i don't think anybody— good go at it but i don't think anybody could, it's very unusual _ anybody could, it's very unusual. and for very good reason, _ unusual. and for very good reason, not quite sure. i�*ve reason, not quite sure. i've been in — reason, not quite sure. i've been in that _ reason, not quite sure. i've been in that situation - reason, not quite sure. ie: been in that situation myself and how do newsrooms and news organisations cope with stories like this with the majority of their journalists will like this with the majority of theirjournalists will not be specialists, there will be generalists and suddenly a

story of this complexity lands on them and they are the ones responsible for explaining it? if i go to my past life of bbc economics editor, there was the global financial crisis and other times with the bank of england decides quantitative easing was also pretty difficult to explain but that is way of the specialistjobs and try to do as many explainers as you can come publicly and internally. we have seminars before the budget to say this is what to look out for and the key numbers that you need to look at and that is why, not to be too kind to the bbc, but that is the importance of having those kinds of specialistjobs. you have faisal islam on the six o'clock news talking and explaining to people what a bond is. entering the arithmetic, _ people what a bond is. entering the arithmetic, the _ people what a bond is. entering the arithmetic, the budget - people what a bond is. entering the arithmetic, the budget in i the arithmetic, the budget in the arithmetic, the budget in the statement the the day goes

over most peoples heads, they do not really understand why it is important but if you tell them that you're going to save some taxes but someone would be around on 50 quid a year, that they start listening and easter telling them thank you, they've been cutting and want to buy a house, but it's only £2500 for most people and they realise that these interventions of the government may not be quite so major and then you have people coming on insane, yes, but the tax cut at the highest rate, that will save somebody on £i that will save somebody on £1 million a year, £55,000. and then people start taking notice of that i think the arithmetic is key and arrows prepare budgets with and so, i've got this budget stand and otherwise, you are relying on treasury press releases and i am absolutely not saying that they are inaccurate but the are true but very misleading at time if to get through that this statement misleading to get to the important. the

ability to _ get to the important. the ability to count _ get to the important. the ability to count it - get to the important. the ability to count it to - get to the important. the ability to count it to remember that really, you were there to count — that really, you were there to count and _ that really, you were there to count and keep the arithmetic 9°lii9~ — count and keep the arithmetic anoin. �* count and keep the arithmetic oiiin _ �* ., . count and keep the arithmetic iioin. �* .. , going. but watching this, as she famously _ going. but watching this, as she famously quoted. - going. but watching this, as she famously quoted. even | going. but watching this, as| she famously quoted. even if going. but watching this, as - she famously quoted. even if he wrestled the _ she famously quoted. even if he wrestled the macro _ she famously quoted. even if he wrestled the macro concept - she famously quoted. even if he wrestled the macro concept intoj wrestled the macro concept into something we can all understand, even if you've done the numbers behind that's of interest and how it impacts our individual lives, is there risk that in doing that, you take a position on whether a development is a positive or a negative because there isn't necessarily an agreement that what the markets are doing is necessarily a good or a bad thing. i necessarily a good or a bad thini. ~ thing. i think even the financial— thing. i think even the financialjournalists i thing. i think even the - financialjournalists contain themselves in knots on this. you — themselves in knots on this. you actually have a look like a rather — you actually have a look like a rather mystifying market reaction to something and then, they will— reaction to something and then, they will seek explanations where _ they will seek explanations where potentially the markets have _ where potentially the markets have just done something which investors— have just done something which investors as a group, have done something — investors as a group, have done something that is not entirely comprehensible according to standard economics, there is a risk that— standard economics, there is a risk that you impose a story sometimes where there isn't a

story— sometimes where there isn't a story they— sometimes where there isn't a story they are. you can still be true _ story they are. you can still be true to— story they are. you can still be true to what the majority of economists are saying with the tradition— economists are saying with the tradition in the case of the recent— tradition in the case of the recent growth plan by the government, it is to subjectively very different from _ subjectively very different from the previous policies of conservative governments that george — conservative governments that george osborne era after 2010. and one — george osborne era after 2010. and one can see that and point to why— and one can see that and point to why financial markets might find it — to why financial markets might find it surprising and may worry— find it surprising and may worry about the lack of costing attached — worry about the lack of costing attached to it i think all of those _ attached to it i think all of those things are worth saying without taking a strong position. without taking a strong position-— without taking a strong iosition. �*, ., . position. it's not so much takini position. it's not so much taking of— position. it's not so much taking of you _ position. it's not so much taking of you but - position. it's not so much taking of you but if - position. it's not so much taking of you but if the i taking of you but if the majority _ taking of you but if the majority of _ taking of you but if the majority of economists taking of you but if the i majority of economists say taking of you but if the - majority of economists say one thing _ majority of economists say one thing and — majority of economists say one thing and a _ majority of economists say one thing and a few— majority of economists say one thing and a few minority- majority of economists say one thing and a few minority once i thing and a few minority once you have _ thing and a few minority once you have always _ thing and a few minority once you have always said - thing and a few minority once you have always said the i you have always said the opposite _ you have always said the opposite for— you have always said the opposite for a _ you have always said the opposite for a long - you have always said the opposite for a long time | you have always said the i opposite for a long time said another, _ opposite for a long time said another, yes— opposite for a long time said another, yes you _ opposite for a long time said another, yes you have - opposite for a long time said another, yes you have to i opposite for a long time saidj another, yes you have to say that — another, yes you have to say that but _ another, yes you have to say that but two _ another, yes you have to say that but two views _ another, yes you have to say that but two views are - another, yes you have to say that but two views are not i that but two views are not of equal— that but two views are not of equal value _ that but two views are not of equal value just— that but two views are not of equal value just because i that but two views are not ofj equal value just because one person says _ equal value just because one person says black— equal value just because one person says black and - equal value just because one person says black and one i person says black and one presence _ person says black and one presence is _ person says black and one presence is white, - person says black and one presence is white, it - person says black and one presence is white, it does| person says black and one i presence is white, it does not mean — presence is white, it does not mean that— presence is white, it does not mean that it _ presence is white, it does not mean that it could _ presence is white, it does not mean that it could be - presence is white, it does not mean that it could be black. presence is white, it does notj mean that it could be black or white. — mean that it could be black or white. you _ mean that it could be black or white, you have _ mean that it could be black or white, you have to _ mean that it could be black or white, you have to give - mean that it could be black or white, you have to give the i white, you have to give the emphasis _ white, you have to give the emphasis to— white, you have to give the emphasis to the _ white, you have to give the emphasis to the majority.

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pension— bonds which are sitting in pension funds and insurance companies and peoples sizes, many— companies and peoples sizes, many people have chunks of those — many people have chunks of those assets and what has happened the last few weeks as the value — happened the last few weeks as the value has gone down dramatically from the start of the year. _ dramatically from the start of the year, they have gone down by the — the year, they have gone down by the third and when people look— by the third and when people look at — by the third and when people look at those, those who do have — look at those, those who do have occupational defined contribution pensions with there. _ contribution pensions with there, all of those assets have gone _ there, all of those assets have gone down by a third and we tend — gone down by a third and we tend to _ gone down by a third and we tend to think, higher interest rates — tend to think, higher interest rates to— tend to think, higher interest rates to be good for receiving, in the — rates to be good for receiving, in the income it might be better— in the income it might be better for savers for doing new savings — better for savers for doing new savings now but the people who have _ savings now but the people who have things locked away in the savings — have things locked away in the savings ofjust had a massive hit. savings ofjust had a massive hit~ l— savings of 'ust had a massive hit. ., , a ., savings of 'ust had a massive hit. ., , ., , hit. i would pick a different toiic. hit. i would pick a different tepic- with _ hit. i would pick a different topic. with concentrating l hit. i would pick a differentl topic. with concentrating on the rising — topic. with concentrating on the rising bills _ topic. with concentrating on the rising bills on _ topic. with concentrating on the rising bills on saturday i the rising bills on saturday and — the rising bills on saturday and they— the rising bills on saturday and they have _ the rising bills on saturday and they have not - the rising bills on saturday and they have not been i the rising bills on saturday i and they have not been frozen, they— and they have not been frozen, they will— and they have not been frozen, they will be _ and they have not been frozen, they will be £12,500 _ and they have not been frozen, they will be £12,500 for- they will be £12,500 for everybody _ they will be £12,500 for everybody that's - they will be £12,500 for everybody that's a i they will be £12,500 for- everybody that's a common misconception— everybody that's a common misconception that - everybody that's a common misconception that we i everybody that's a common misconception that we willl everybody that's a common . misconception that we will be debunking _ misconception that we will be debunking on _ misconception that we will be debunking on saturday, - misconception that we will be i debunking on saturday, they're frozen — debunking on saturday, they're frozen from _ debunking on saturday, they're frozen from saturday _ debunking on saturday, they're frozen from saturday but - debunking on saturday, they're frozen from saturday but on i frozen from saturday but on saturday, _ frozen from saturday but on saturday, they _ frozen from saturday but on

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texts to rishi sunak, we know about them thanks to gabriel. in the past few weeks, there is the scoop of the chief of staff had been interviewed as a witnessed by fbi agents and an alleged criminal plot to bribe alleged criminal plot to bribe a puerto rican politician we learned, courtesy of gabriel that they were being paid via his private lobbying company and not as a civil servant. something that has not changed, in both cases, he denies doing anything wrong but let's meet the man behind the sunday scoops. thank you for coming in. i scoops. thank you for coming in. . ., �* scoops. thank you for coming in. �* ., ., ., in. i couldn't imagine a more generous— in. i couldn't imagine a more generous introduction. i in. i couldn't imagine a more generous introduction. you i in. i couldn't imagine a more l generous introduction. you are very popular with my family. it very popular with my family. it is all entirely factually correct. you are on quite a run. let's talk about the fbi story and how did that come about? , ., , ., story and how did that come about? , . , ., ., story and how did that come about? , ., , ., ., ., about? this was a weird one, a story and _ about? this was a weird one, a story and circumstance - about? this was a weird one, a| story and circumstance aligning with serendipitous fashion. we were interested in reports that

the fbi, where they were investigating a venezuelan, italian citizen based in mayfair who claimed that they had channelled money into the us administered via puerto rico and the reason why we became interested in this was first, the man in question, he was a party donor and how does a venezuelan citizen donate to the tories and why is the fbi looking into him in american territory and we heard a well—known lobbying firm, very active in westminster had been consorting with this character and i've got to say, much of investigative journalism, and i've got to say, much of investigativejournalism, i'm sure this is always been the case but i feel this is very acute, much of a we do involves

dealing with lawyers, both are lawyers of the sunday times and the lawyers of, i went savers to be the right word, but for legal reasons, we never managed to publish anything is only months later that the groups director became chief of staff and downing street and we thought, do you remember that name coming up a lot a while ago in the intervening period, charges have been brought in indictments have been unsealed indictments have been unsealed in the environment became much easierfor in the environment became much easier for us. in the environment became much easierfor us. figs in the environment became much easier for us-_ easier for us. as you deliver scooi easier for us. as you deliver scoop on — easier for us. as you deliver scoop on the _ easier for us. as you deliver scoop on the scoop - easier for us. as you deliver scoop on the scoop on i easier for us. as you deliver scoop on the scoop on a i easier for us. as you deliver i scoop on the scoop on a sunday, to the scoops become easier in some ways because people come to you because they associate you with someone who can give a story impact? in you with someone who can give a story impact?— story impact? in some respects, i'm story impact? in some respects, i'm working — story impact? in some respects, i'm working at — story impact? in some respects, i'm working at the _ story impact? in some respects, i'm working at the sunday i story impact? in some respects, i'm working at the sunday paper| i'm working at the sunday paper and it's an anxiety inducing experience for sure there every day and restrained on six days and union station intervention once a week and a mean sometimes that you've done an

impactful story and you get all these tips and intelligence and you know that you won't be able to stop by does that feel a bit out of date?— out of date? and your editor i'm out of date? and your editor l'm sure _ out of date? and your editor l'm sure is — out of date? and your editor i'm sure is not _ out of date? and your editor i'm sure is not listening. i i'm sure is not listening. genuinely, this is the case and on one hand, it is difficult because you cannot unburden yourself and you want to, and on the other hand, there's this unique privilege of everyone else is running on this daily sprint and be run a weekly marathon we have time to, consider and shape the stories we are working on and it structurally encourages people like me to think beyond what is happening on a daily basis. i can't step into that daily hamster wheel so have to think about things. things have a she” about things. things have a shelf life for at least a week which is way for decades, the sunday times and other sunday papers have had the distinct role in our media landscape. fin role in our media landscape. on the flii role in our media landscape. on the flip of being on the hamster wheel is you feel the pressure on saturday night we

often see your appear to deliver —— stories appear. it deliver -- stories appear. it is deliver —— stories appear. it is a blessing but it's not one where all journalists are entitled and i've looked and we have to earn our right to pay this unusual role and you know, as a human being, if you don't get anything in the paper in a given week then on sunday, full next essential crisis, you're only as good as your last and is at the last rail of a right that's a buzz that can be the locomotive of productivity, as well. is locomotive of productivity, as well. , ., . ., well. is there a culture of our well. is there a culture of your colleagues - well. is there a culture of your colleagues that i well. is there a culture of i your colleagues that scoops matter, perhaps groups met are the most and they're talking about the importance of explanations and journalism comes in many forms. it is scoops still at the pre—eminent form in your newsroom? scoops still at the pre-eminent form in your newsroom? sunday times, form in your newsroom? sunday times. one _ form in your newsroom? sunday times. one of — form in your newsroom? sunday times, one of the _ form in your newsroom? sunday times, one of the publications l times, one of the publications that has a pay wall and so, we

don'tjust want reach, it is good for our prestige in our public—interest rules that they could followed up and widely reported, but we also want to serve our readers and of the part—time, the metro had decent, whether was the show or the front page, now we have these terrifying acronyms like dti, or a 12 time index.- dti, or a 12 time index. time index, everyone _ dti, or a 12 time index. time index, everyone is _ dti, or a 12 time index. time index, everyone is starting . index, everyone is starting that one down.— that one down. that notes whether— that one down. that notes whether or _ that one down. that notes whether or not _ that one down. that notes whether or not people i that one down. that notes whether or not people are | whether or not people are making it towards the ends are stories. we often feel like we are doing very important work but occasionally, we would dedicate a lot of columns to a piece and it transpires that the readers don't necessarily care as much as we would like them too. care as much as we would like them too-— care as much as we would like them too. , _, , ., them too. dti comments on the completion rate _ them too. dti comments on the completion rate on _ them too. dti comments on the completion rate on the - them too. dti comments on the completion rate on the video. i completion rate on the video. absolutely, that data approach. can you tell us. ._

can you tell us. . details what is coming _ can you tell us. . details what is coming next? _ can you tell us. . details what is coming next? i _ can you tell us. . details what is coming next? ithink- can you tell us. . details what is coming next? i think are i is coming next? i think are la ers is coming next? i think are lawyers will _ is coming next? i think are lawyers will be _ is coming next? i think are lawyers will be very - is coming next? i think are lawyers will be very angry i is coming next? i think are i lawyers will be very angry at me if i say anything now but stay tuned. me if i say anything now but stay tuned-— stay tuned. thank you for comini stay tuned. thank you for coming in- _ stay tuned. thank you for coming in. whitehall- stay tuned. thank you for i coming in. whitehall reporter correspondent for the sunday times. now, to finish off this media show, the big story of the week, on saturday we heard that jane was leaving the bbc times radio and most of you listening, you don't need to be told this different ways, there been giants of this and radio four but they are shifting across the times radio and they drink quite a list. and if we go back a little further, all of her home after part of the bbc tv and radio output. let us understand how these deals

happen in the calculations involved. and co—founder of the night management which manages a whole raft of those in broadcasting and megan carver, founder and managing director thatis founder and managing director that is publicity for some of the biggest names in broadcasting. thank you for being with us on the media show. after stroke with you. tell us how it happened. it show. after stroke with you. tell us how it happened. it was a return to _ tell us how it happened. it was a return to live _ tell us how it happened. it was a return to live broadcasting i a return to live broadcasting which — a return to live broadcasting which is _ a return to live broadcasting which is their first love and they— which is their first love and they were really being underused by the bbc even though— underused by the bbc even though they've had this huge podcast _ though they've had this huge podcast which, as we know has downloaded millions over the last few— downloaded millions over the last few years. they had at times— last few years. they had at times radio, very cleverly and they— times radio, very cleverly and they identified them as a broadcasting daily and it's really— broadcasting daily and it's really where it started. we had other— really where it started. we had other offers but those other offers — other offers but those other offers were podcast spaced and this wasn't about taking a

podcast _ this wasn't about taking a podcast that had been successful and this was about them — successful and this was about them going back to what they'd always— them going back to what they'd always done which is live broadcasting and they have been doing _ broadcasting and they have been doing a _ broadcasting and they have been doing a great deal of that or the last— doing a great deal of that or the last years and is really drove _ the last years and is really drove this. a the last years and is really drove this.— drove this. a lot of people will be surprised - drove this. a lot of people will be surprised to - drove this. a lot of people will be surprised to hear i drove this. a lot of people i will be surprised to hear this and didn't bbc want to offer some more life broadcasting? more good questions. they had been working — good questions. they had been working on other programming but there — working on other programming but there was not enough of it, to be _ but there was not enough of it, to be honest. the podcast was extremely successful and added a new— extremely successful and added a new series called life—changing but across the year. — life—changing but across the year, there was not a great deal— year, there was not a great deal of— year, there was not a great deal of life broadcasting and that's— deal of life broadcasting and that's what they wanted to do and because the podcast with the two — and because the podcast with the two of them together had worked — the two of them together had worked so well, the times wanted _ worked so well, the times wanted to make the most of that

and put — wanted to make the most of that and put them together during daily— and put them together during daily news or so they started. before — daily news or so they started. before they go any further, the broadcast will continue to the end of the year invite them to take part in this discussion and i'm interested from your point of view, here you are, the best known broadcasting agents in the country ef to best—known stars on your books and an option of leaving the bbc after many years comes up. what position do you take? to advise them to do one of the other or how does that relationship work? other or how does that relationshii work? ., ., ., relationship work? you have to look at overall, _ relationship work? you have to look at overall, the _ relationship work? you have to look at overall, the family i look at overall, the family commitments, lifestyles and obviously the financial implications and are important. but _ implications and are important. but, you — implications and are important. but, you have to look if this were — but, you have to look if this were to _ but, you have to look if this were to people of the same time, — were to people of the same time, was more complex. at this moment— time, was more complex. at this moment in— time, was more complex. at this moment in time, what is right for their— moment in time, what is right for their career and what they want — for their career and what they want to— for their career and what they want to do, this is an exciting idea _ want to do, this is an exciting idea that _ want to do, this is an exciting idea thatjust grew want to do, this is an exciting idea that just grew and grew it took— idea that just grew and grew it took many months to put it all together— took many months to put it all together and they're very sad together and they're very sad to leave _ together and they're very sad to leave the bbc and it's very

hard — to leave the bbc and it's very hard to— to leave the bbc and it's very hard to leave the bbc. i have worked — hard to leave the bbc. i have worked with other people who have _ worked with other people who have been at the bbc for this and if— have been at the bbc for this and if at _ have been at the bbc for this and if at the whole career. and to leave — and if at the whole career. and to leave us _ and if at the whole career. and to leave us very difficult. it's — to leave us very difficult. it's like _ to leave us very difficult. it's like leaving home. what i had to— it's like leaving home. what i had to do. _ it's like leaving home. what i had to do, it's the right thing we have _ had to do, it's the right thing we have decided we're going to leave _ we have decided we're going to leave and — we have decided we're going to leave and in her cases because she was— leave and in her cases because she was going to classic fm and as a whole _ she was going to classic fm and as a whole new life for her and proven — as a whole new life for her and proven to _ as a whole new life for her and proven to be the right move and yes. _ proven to be the right move and yes, it _ proven to be the right move and yes, it is — proven to be the right move and yes, it is a — proven to be the right move and yes, it is a big responsibility because _ yes, it is a big responsibility because someone's livelihood, it's their— because someone's livelihood, it's their career comments their— it's their career comments their mortgage, it's all those things— their mortgage, it's all those things the been talking about earlier — things the been talking about earlier. but if they've made their— earlier. but if they've made their decision and you know it's the _ their decision and you know it's the right thing to do, but i it's the right thing to do, but i did — it's the right thing to do, but i did was— it's the right thing to do, but i did was make sure we carry that— i did was make sure we carry that through and we don't get called — that through and we don't get called off in different directions with people saying, why don't you do this or why don't — why don't you do this or why don't you _ why don't you do this or why don't you do that because the right— don't you do that because the right thing to do in the circumstances are right in the finances — circumstances are right in the finances are part of that but it can — finances are part of that but it can be _ finances are part of that but it can be driven by that. there's— it can be driven by that. there's lots of factors that have — there's lots of factors that have to _ there's lots of factors that have to come in and have to keep— have to come in and have to keep a — have to come in and have to keep a cool and steady head. you — keep a cool and steady head. you got — keep a cool and steady head. you got the deal done and they're moving across the times

radio. megan, iwould they're moving across the times radio. megan, i would like to bring you in here for that long list the bbc stores who have left in recent years, do you think that is just normal moving and shaking within the media but is there something else going on here? i media but is there something else going on here?— else going on here? i think it's normal— else going on here? i think it's normal moving - else going on here? i think it's normal moving and i else going on here? i think- it's normal moving and shaking in the — it's normal moving and shaking in the media. i think what happens _ in the media. i think what happens is is that when people leave _ happens is is that when people leave something in the media because — leave something in the media because there well— known leave something in the media because there well—known names and people get excited about it, actually, it's not unusual for people to change jobs and many— for people to change jobs and many people in many industries changed — many people in many industries changed jobs and it's never seen — changed jobs and it's never seen as— changed jobs and it's never seen as a _ changed jobs and it's never seen as a big deal. but when it's someone that's a household namei _ it's someone that's a household name, with excitement around it, name, with excitement around it. we — name, with excitement around it, we think it's gotta be the spectrometer people to be really _ spectrometer people to be really angry and this huge dramas _ really angry and this huge dramas of people running around corridors— dramas of people running around corridors panicking. but it is a series— corridors panicking. but it is a series of— corridors panicking. but it is a series of adult conversations without— a series of adult conversations without dramas and is based on many— without dramas and is based on many factors. do without dramas and is based on many factors-— many factors. do you think those many _ many factors. do you think those many factors - many factors. do you think those many factors of i many factors. do you think i those many factors of change?

for example, tv and radio presenters, these to primarily sign up to prevent that he might present that their intellectual properties, does a broader range of factors here, aren't there?— aren't there? there's so many more options. _ aren't there? there's so many more options. even _ aren't there? there's so many more options. even if- aren't there? there's so many more options. even if you i aren't there? there's so many more options. even if you go i more options. even if you go for five — more options. even if you go for five years ago, if your speech— for five years ago, if your speech broadcaster in the uk, your— speech broadcaster in the uk, your options are fairly minimal and look— your options are fairly minimal and look at the bbc heard the commercials, there are more options — commercials, there are more options than before. just in radio, — options than before. just in radio, there are times radio, and — radio, there are times radio, and of— radio, there are times radio, and of course, there's podcasts and of course, there's podcasts and would _ and of course, there's podcasts and would podcast offer is a new — and would podcast offer is a new global audience, and the chance — new global audience, and the chance to _ new global audience, and the chance to take shows on tours and go — chance to take shows on tours and go into that life arena. i'm— and go into that life arena. i'm short _ and go into that life arena. i'm short on time here, do all of those factors mean that perhaps being outside the bbc is a simpler experience because you can do these things with fewer obstacles, perhaps? news

and current— fewer obstacles, perhaps? news and current affairs _ fewer obstacles, perhaps? news and current affairs wherever i and current affairs wherever they — and current affairs wherever they are, _ and current affairs wherever they are, rules are and place you — they are, rules are and place you have _ they are, rules are and place you have to abide by them. 50, yes _ you have to abide by them. so, yes, you — you have to abide by them. so, yes, you can— you have to abide by them. so, yes, you can look at opportunities that people are allowed to do things within the bbci _ allowed to do things within the bbc, depending on what their role is — bbc, depending on what their role is when the path of the bbc— role is when the path of the bbc they work in and it doesn't close _ bbc they work in and it doesn't close everything off, but when people — close everything off, but when people want to leave the bbc, very often, the bbc will say,, you owe _ very often, the bbc will say,, you owe your career choice but when _ you owe your career choice but when people or their career to a number— when people or their career to a number of things in they've worked — a number of things in they've worked very hard all their life they— worked very hard all their life they been at the bbc and then, they been at the bbc and then, they want to break free and they— they want to break free and they should be allowed to do so, but — they should be allowed to do so, but it's not an easy decision— so, but it's not an easy decision for anyone and it's certainly— decision for anyone and it's certainly not breaking free, is not necessarily mean that someone will go in all different ways because it's not as simple _ different ways because it's not as simple as that. it's much, much — as simple as that. it's much, much tougher and harder. we have to much tougher and harder. - have to leave it there, thanks forjoining us and of course, two or three other guests as well, that is it for this

edition of the media show and thank you for watching it will be back for watching at the usual times next week. an atlantic weather front has swept across the uk. most of us had a spell of steady rain and gusty winds and now, in the wake of that weather front, we've sunshine and showers for this weekend and quite brisk winds as well, particularly around western areas. now, that low pressure will still drive our weather through the course of saturday and sunday. but here is that weather front it is now moving into scandinavia through germany and also through france. let's look at the early hours.

quite a few isobars here because the low pressure is still close by. well, just to the north west of us, that means gusty winds pushing in the showers in scotland and northern ireland and there will be a few elsewhere but predominantly clear spells early on saturday. temperatures will range from 7 in aberdeen to around 12 in the south and here's the forecast for saturday itself and the picture remains more or less the same. brisk winds out towards the west and the occasional shower and some of them quite heavy in scotland and northern ireland, best of the weather the further east and south you are. temperatures will be around 19 in london for a time, for many of us in the northwest, closer to 1a or 15. now, sunday, another weather front is expected to brush southern parts of the uk and why�*s that important? well, we've got the london marathon on sunday and here's the thinking, the rain will probably reach southwestern parts of the uk earlier in the morning, and then it should reach london. it looks as though the rain will clear by the time

we get to the afternoon. so, we will call it a wet start to the marathon and into the afternoon, things should dry out but there is uncertainty with regards to how quickly, around that you have a fine day on sunday. if you're wondering about monday, high pressure is expected to build across england and wales, fine weather here with light winds and pleasant conditions and turning a bit warmer but in the northwest, we'll get closer to atlantic weather fronts and rain expected possibly northern ireland and quite likely in the western isles of scotland. here, the temperatures in the high teens and in scotland and northern ireland mid teens and here's the outlook next week it looks as though at times, the weather will be unsettled by those temperatures could reach 20 degrees in the south of the uk. have a good weekend.

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