jeopardises workers' job security. after hurricane jeopardises workers�* job security. after hurricane ian hit the eastern seaboard of the united states, a lot of homes are without power. a huge clean—up operation is in florida where at least 20 people are known to have died. many counties are now without clean drinking water. now the weather prospects. most of the showers today have been across more western parts of the uk on a brisk westerly wind. the south of england in far south wales, thickening cloud will bring rain in from the west by the time we get to the early hours of the morning. that will keep the temperatures up here. further north with winds dropping and clearer skies, temperatures are seven or 8 degrees. good news for the london marathon is it will not be as windy as today but there will be as windy as today but there will be as windy as today but there will be a lot of cloud around, we could have rain from time to time, particularly in the morning. conditions should improve in the afternoon. this is where the rain is

early in the day. heavy rain affecting the south—west of england. through the day, the rain becomes lighter and more patchy in many places become drier. we have a lot of dry weather across other parts of the uk, hunting ascension, just a few showers in the north—west of scotland. certainly fewer and lighter than today. it will feel pleasant in the sunshine with temperatures 17—18. now on bbc news the media show. hello and welcome to the media show. as i am sure you have seen, these are tomorrow�*s times for the uk economy and this is a story as complex as it is important and there are ways to get the journalism right around the story but there are also ways of getting it wrong. we will look at bats. we will also hear from a man behind a whole raft of things. this man from the sunday times tells us how he lands his stories and then

we will also hear the story of others leaving the abc. we will hear the story according to their agent. let�*s start with the situation with the uk economy. iamjoined by i am joined by stephanie flanders is the head of bloomberg economics and paul lewis presents radio 4�*s money box. this is it if looking to get across? i box. this is it if looking to get across? ~ �* , box. this is it if looking to get across? ~' �* , , across? i think the british people have always _ across? i think the british people have always struggled _ across? i think the british people have always struggled to - across? i think the british people . have always struggled to understand the importance of the pound changing value. they are not immediately vowed to go on holiday and we did start this week hearing about the pound hitting an all—time low. there has been another major part of the uncertainty, probably the more important uncertainty this week which is this big run from uk

government debt and the moment i started talking about gilts and bonds and yields going up, that does becomejust bonds and yields going up, that does become just like you start getting into more tactical territory that people don�*t understand even more actually means mortgage things are being taken of the shells and mortgage rates are going up. the auestion mortgage rates are going up. the question is. _ mortgage rates are going up. the question is, should journalists even been using these phrases? it has been using these phrases? it has been a jewel in the past few months that inflation is likely been replaced by cost of living, journalists have decided that it is an easier car afraid to take in. i think it's a time when it's easier think it�*s a time when it�*s easier to talk quite sweet cost of living, i think even when it comes to the pound, i think i found myself saying the world has gotten a lot more expensive. i think they get across what is a part of it. the problem with this dynamic in the government debt market is i think it will do need to have some kind understanding that if international investors are coming less and more concerned about britain�*s economic future, about the power that the government is taking

on how much borrowing its got in store and charging more to lend the uk government, that we do have to start teasing out the invocations of that. so yields, its interest rates, that. so yields, its interest rates, thatis that. so yields, its interest rates, that is borrowing costs notjust the government but also for the rest of us. �* . government but also for the rest of us. ~ . , , , ., government but also for the rest of us. . government but also for the rest of us. and paul, i guess your “ob along with the money * us. and paul, i guess your “ob along with the money box h us. and paul, i guess your “ob along with the money box team _ us. and paul, i guess yourjob along with the money box team is - us. and paul, i guess yourjob along with the money box team is trying l us. and paul, i guess yourjob along | with the money box team is trying to connect these macro issues, the price of the value of the pound, the cost of borrowing from the government, with experience of individuals and the lives that they are leaving?— are leaving? yes, that can be difficult and _ are leaving? yes, that can be difficult and i _ are leaving? yes, that can be difficult and i think— are leaving? yes, that can be| difficult and i thinkjournalists tend to worry about mortgages but again the question is. you have to remember less than one in three people actually have a interest. sign back if they write, it will affect some people. it will affect about another million in a year. it won�*t affect most people even with mortgages. so you have to be careful about saying this is a disaster for mortgages full stop you can say mortgages full stop you can say mortgage rates will go up because the bank rate is going up, but every

time you use, whether it is gilts and bank rates, inflation, you have to explain it. i remember when i first did radio five, i would never say the ftse 100 without saying that say the ftse100 without saying that is the index that shows the price of shares in our hundred biggest companies. and i think it day after day and of the day the producers got fed up with it will stop and i said if someone listening today, they don�*t know what it is. and even if detonation is met shorthand, it helps people understand the horton�*s. as for the intervention by the bank of england today, i did hear one hapless journalist trying to explain what is going on as he was reading the statement. and i don�*t blame it on at all. he couldn�*t do it, it was completely impenetrable and he made a very good go at it. i don�*t think anybody knew except the bank of england had done some very unusualfor a except the bank of england had done some very unusual for a very good reason, but we weren�*t quite sure what it was. reason, but we weren't quite sure what it was-_ reason, but we weren't quite sure what it was. and i'm sure i've been in that situation _ what it was. and i'm sure i've been in that situation myself— what it was. and i'm sure i've been in that situation myself any - what it was. and i'm sure i've been in that situation myself any time. l what it was. and i'm sure i've been in that situation myself any time. i | in that situation myself any time. i suppose the question is, how do news

organisations cope with stories like this? ~ ., ., , ., this? white when the ma'ority of the uenus this? white when the ma'ority of the genus won-t — this? white when the ma'ority of the genus wont be * this? white when the majority of the genus won't be specialists, - this? white when the majority of the genus won't be specialists, they - genus won't be specialists, they will be _ genus won't be specialists, they will be generalists and suddenly a story— will be generalists and suddenly a story of— will be generalists and suddenly a story of this capacity lands on them and they— story of this capacity lands on them and they are the ones responsible for expanding it. when i go back to my past— for expanding it. when i go back to my past life of bbc economics editon — my past life of bbc economics editor. during the financial crisis, with a _ editor. during the financial crisis, with a bank— editor. during the financial crisis, with a bank of england decides that quantitive _ with a bank of england decides that quantitive easing was quite to explain, — quantitive easing was quite to explain, but that is why you have the specialistjobs and explain, but that is why you have the specialist jobs and you try to do as_ the specialist jobs and you try to do as many explain as as you can, both_ do as many explain as as you can, both publicly and internally. as you know, _ both publicly and internally. as you know. we _ both publicly and internally. as you know, we have seminars before the budgets _ know, we have seminars before the budgets to — know, we have seminars before the budgets to say this is what to look for out _ budgets to say this is what to look for out for. — budgets to say this is what to look for out for, these are the key numbers— for out for, these are the key numbers you need to look at. i think that is— numbers you need to look at. i think that is why. — numbers you need to look at. i think that is why, not to be too kind to the bbc, — that is why, not to be too kind to the bbc, but that is the importance of having _ the bbc, but that is the importance of having those kind of specialist jobs _ of having those kind of specialist jobs you — of having those kind of specialist jobs. you have faisal islam rocking up jobs. you have faisal islam rocking up on _ jobs. you have faisal islam rocking up on the _ jobs. you have faisal islam rocking up on the 10am news, the 6pm news, talking _

up on the 10am news, the 6pm news, talking people through and explaining what they are getting, what a _ explaining what they are getting, what a bodice. but it also means doing _ what a bodice. but it also means doing arithmetic. it goes over most people sense. they don�*t understand why it is important. if you tell them, you are going to save some tax, but it�*s only going to be our hundred and £50 a year. then it�*s not listening. if you say the stamp duty has been cut, then you say but it�*s only £2500 for most people, then they realise that these interventions of the government are maybe not quite so major and then of course you have people coming on saying, yes, but the tax cut at the highest rate that will save somebody on £1 million a year £55,000. and then people start taking notice of that and i think the arithmetic is key and i always prepare budgets with a spreadsheet, so i have those figures to hand and other ways you are relying on a treasury press releases to give the figures and i am absolutely not saying treasury press releases are inaccurate, but they are —— like they are true, but

very misleading at times and you have to get through that misleading stuff to tell people what is really going on. stuff to tell people what is really auoin on. , stuff to tell people what is really uuoinon. , going on. they say the most important — going on. they say the most important thing _ going on. they say the most important thing to _ going on. they say the most important thing to do - going on. they say the most important thing to do is - going on. they say the most important thing to do is to l going on. they say the most - important thing to do is to count. 0ne important thing to do is to count. one is— important thing to do is to count. one is question for you, if even if you have wrestled a micro concept into something we can all understand, even if you�*ve done the behind that because we understand how it our individual lives, is there a risk that in doing that you take a position on whether development is positive won the markets are doing is necessarily good or a bad thing. i think even financialjournalists can tie themselves in knots. you will actually— tie themselves in knots. you will actually have what looks like a mystifying market reaction to something and then they will seek explanations when potentially the markets _ explanations when potentially the markets have just done something which _ markets have just done something which investors as a group of done

something — which investors as a group of done something isn't entirely compensable according _ something isn't entirely compensable according to standard economics. so ithink— according to standard economics. so ithihk there — according to standard economics. so i think there is a risk that you impose — i think there is a risk that you impose a _ i think there is a risk that you impose a story sometimes weather isn't a _ impose a story sometimes weather isn't a story— impose a story sometimes weather isn't a story there. but i think you can still— isn't a story there. but i think you can still be — isn't a story there. but i think you can still be true to what the majority— can still be true to what the majority of economists are saying or what the _ majority of economists are saying or what the tradition, for example in the case _ what the tradition, for example in the case of— what the tradition, for example in the case of the recent growth plan for the _ the case of the recent growth plan for the government, it wasjust objectively very difficult from the previous— objectively very difficult from the previous odysseys of conservative governments especially the george osborne _ governments especially the george osborne error after 2010 and one could _ osborne error after 2010 and one could say— osborne error after 2010 and one could say that and one could point to why _ could say that and one could point to why financial markets might find it surprising, they might worry about— it surprising, they might worry about the _ it surprising, they might worry about the lack of costing attached to it _ about the lack of costing attached to it i_ about the lack of costing attached to it. i think all of those things are worth _ to it. i think all of those things are worth saying without taking a strong _ are worth saying without taking a strong position.— strong position. yes, i think it's not so strong position. yes, i think it's rtot so much — strong position. yes, i think it's not so much as _ strong position. yes, i think it's not so much as taking - strong position. yes, i think it's not so much as taking a - strong position. yes, i think it's not so much as taking a view, l strong position. yes, i think it's l not so much as taking a view, but strong position. yes, i think it's - not so much as taking a view, but if the majority of economists say one thing and if you and i see ones who�*ve always said the opposite for a long time say another, yes, have to say that. but two views are not of equal value. just because one cistern is black and man presents is

why does not mean it is like a white. you have to give emphasis to the majority view of people who traditionally have been right and been sensible. and again, to come back to tax cuts, it�*s perfectly reasonable to say we will encourage growth. but for most ordinary people, it will be a couple of hundred pounds. how will that encourage growth. i think that is a definitely reasonable point today. is there just one thing you definitely reasonable point today. is there just one thing— is there 'ust one thing you think these is there just one thing you think these journalists _ is there just one thing you think these journalists need - is there just one thing you think these journalists need to - is there just one thing you think these journalists need to get. is there just one thing you think l these journalists need to get right this week. is the one thing you�*re listening and thinking we need to get this across. i think the most one thing get this across. i think the most one thin '. . get this across. i think the most one thin . , ' . get this across. i think the most one thin . , , . ., one thing which is difficult to understand _ one thing which is difficult to understand which _ one thing which is difficult to understand which of- one thing which is difficult to understand which of the - one thing which is difficult to - understand which of the dynamics of a bond _ understand which of the dynamics of a bond and — understand which of the dynamics of a bond. and i won't go into it, but when _ a bond. and i won't go into it, but when you — a bond. and i won't go into it, but when you have just we have the pollen, — when you have just we have the pollen, fall in the pound, the rise in the _ pollen, fall in the pound, the rise in the government's borrowing costs, we know _ in the government's borrowing costs, we know that potentially that means higher— we know that potentially that means higher spending, we know that potentially that means higherspending, higher we know that potentially that means higher spending, higher costs for the government down the road and

also higher— the government down the road and also higher mortgage rates for people — also higher mortgage rates for people who have mortgages. the flip side of— people who have mortgages. the flip side of it— people who have mortgages. the flip side of it is— people who have mortgages. the flip side of it is all those government bonds— side of it is all those government bonds which are sitting, gilts, sitting — bonds which are sitting, gilts, sitting on— bonds which are sitting, gilts, sitting on pension funds in insurance companies, and peoples isas. _ insurance companies, and peoples isas. many— insurance companies, and peoples isas, many people have a big chunk of their— isas, many people have a big chunk of their savings in those assets. what _ of their savings in those assets. what is — of their savings in those assets. what is happening the last few weeks is that— what is happening the last few weeks is that the _ what is happening the last few weeks is that the has gone down dramatically from the start of the day and _ dramatically from the start of the day and gone down by a third. i think— day and gone down by a third. i think when— day and gone down by a third. i think when people look at those who who do— think when people look at those who who do have occupational defined contribution pensions with there, i'm contribution pensions with there, i'm money— contribution pensions with there, i'm money box will be explained in this, _ i'm money box will be explained in this, but— i'm money box will be explained in this, but all— i'm money box will be explained in this, but all of those assets have gone _ this, but all of those assets have gone down — this, but all of those assets have gone down by a third and i think we tend to _ gone down by a third and i think we tend to think high interest rates will be — tend to think high interest rates will be good for savings, but in the end it _ will be good for savings, but in the end it may— will be good for savings, but in the end it may be better for savers who were _ end it may be better for savers who were doing — end it may be better for savers who were doing new savings now, but the people _ were doing new savings now, but the people who _ were doing new savings now, but the people who have been locked away in those _ people who have been locked away in those assets have just had a massive hit. those assets have 'ust had a massive hit. ., , ., those assets have 'ust had a massive hit. ., a. , ithink those assets have 'ust had a massive hht.�* t think a - hit. from you, pull? ithinka different— hit. from you, pull? ithinka different topic. _ hit. from you, pull? ithinka different topic. we _ hit. from you, pull? ithinka different topic. we are - different topic. we are concentrating on the rising fuel bills. they have not been frozen, they won�*t be £2500 to everybody,

and that a common misconception is that we will be debunking on saturday. they are frozen from saturday. they are frozen from saturday but on saturday they go up and that is when they will be frozen. and 2500 is not a cap your cap dummy pill could be higher or lower, and that hasn�*t always been gotten over properly. the lower, and that hasn't always been gotten over properly.— lower, and that hasn't always been gotten over properly. the energy gap that isn't a gap- _ gotten over properly. the energy gap that isn't a gap. we _ gotten over properly. the energy gap that isn't a gap. we will _ gotten over properly. the energy gap that isn't a gap. we will get - gotten over properly. the energy gap that isn't a gap. we will get more - that isn�*t a gap. we will get more details on that saturday on radio four. very good to see you both.

what we know about them, thanks to gabriel. in the last few weeks there was a scoop that liz truss�*s chief of staff had been interviewed as a witness by fbi agents investigating an alleged criminal plot to bribe now our next guest is here in the studio. with me is a journalist who�*s currently so prolific that his scoops are in danger of becoming part of the nation�*s weekly routine more often than not. recently, on a saturday night or a sunday morning, you may become aware of a story from gabriel polgreen. he�*s the whitehall editor of the sunday times. and well, i could list along, give you a long list of stories. he�*s broken. go back to july. he told us about then prince charles securing money from 0sama bin laden�*s half siblings despite the objections of palace aides. last year, he won a british journalism award for anti—corruption reporting, in part for his work on david cameron and lex greensill. if you remember those cameron text to rishi sunak what we know

about them, thanks to gabriel. and then in the last few weeks there was the scoop that liz truss is chief of staff. mark fallbrook had been interviewed as a witness by fbi agents investigating an alleged criminal plot to bribe a puerto rican politician. and then we learned, courtesy of gabriel, that mr. fallbrook had been paid was being paid via his private lobbying company, not as a civil servant, something that is now changed, i should say, in both cases. mr. fallbrook denies doing anything wrong. but let�*s meet the man behind the sun. scoops i gabriel thanks for coming in. i couldn�*t have dreamed of a more generous introduction. you�*re going to be very popular with my mum and dad this evening. well, if they�*re listening, hello to them and it�*s all entirely factually correct, you�*re on quite a run. let�*s talk about the mark fallbrook fbi story. how did that one come together? this was a weird one of a story and circumstance aligning in quite serendipitous fashion. we were interested in reports that the fbi were investigating a venezuelan born italian citizen based in mayfair over claims that he had channelled money into the us administered island of puerto rico. and the reason why we at the sunday times became interested in this was twofold. the first was that the man in question, julio, was a party donor. how does a venezuelan born italian citizen donate to the tories

and two why is the fbi looking into him in an american territory? we also heard that ct group, a well—known lobbying firm, very active in westminster, had had had been consorting with this character. and i�*ve got to say, much of investigative journalism nowadays, i mean, i�*m sure this has always been the case, but i think we feel this very acutely in the newsroom right now. much of what we do involves dealing with lawyers, both our lawyers at the sunday times and the lawyers of maybe our adversaries isn�*t the right word. but for legal reasons, we never managed to publish anything. it was only months later when the group�*s director, mr. mark philbrick, became chief of staff in downing street. that we thought. i remember remember that name coming up a while ago and in the intervening period? charges had been brought, indictments had been unsealed, and the reporting environment became much, much easierfor us. and i wonder, as you deliver scoop after scoop on a sunday, do

those scoops become easier in some ways because people come to you because they associate you with someone who can give a story impact? in some respects, i�*m working at a sunday paper as most kind of anxiety inducing experience because you�*re there every day restrained on six days only. you can stage an intervention kind of once a week. and it means sometimes that you�*ve done an impactful story and you�*re getting all these tips and intelligence and you know that you�*re not going to be able to do that. doesn�*t that feel a bit out of date? i�*m sure your editor is not listening. you can tell us. yeah. well, i would say as a good corporate citizen, but genuinely, this is the case, is that on one hand, it�*s difficult, but you can�*t kind of unburden yourself when you want to all the time. 0n the other, this is kind of unique privilege of everybody else is running this daily sprint and we run a weekly marathon and have time to kind of consider and shape the stories we�*re working on. and it actually structurally encourages people like me to think beyond what is happening on a daily basis. i mean, i can�*t step into that daily hamster wheel, so i have to think about things that have a shelf life of at least a week, which is probably why for a decade, the sunday times and other sunday

papers have had this kind of distinct role in our media landscape. presumably, the flip side of not being on the hamster wheel, though, is that you feel a pressure come sunday or come saturday night, which is when we often see your stories appear to deliver. absolutely. a i mean, you know, it is a blessing, but it�*s not one to which all journalists are entitled. and, i mean, you have to sort of,.. i think sunday papers have to earn their right to kind of play this unusual role of only only opening their mouths once a week. and, you know, as a human being, you know, if you don�*t get anything in a paper on a given week, then suddenly full blown existential crisis, you know, you�*re only as good as your last story, but suddenly you�*re thinking, is that the last story i�*ll ever write? and i suppose that can be the locomotive of your productivity as well. and inside the sunday times, is there a culture from your editors and your colleagues that that scoops matter, perhaps scoops matter the most? i mean, stephanie was talking earlier about the importance of explanation and of explainers. of course, journalism comes in many forms.

are scoops still the pre—eminent form in your newsroom? i mean, it�*s really interesting. so sunday times, one of a number of publications, it has a paywall. so we don�*tjust want reach. i mean, it�*s sort of good for our prestige and our public interest role when scoops get followed up and widely reported. but we also want to serve our readers. and, you know, once upon a time, the metric of a decent story was what whether it was discussed on the andrew marr show or whether it got on the front page. now we have these terrifying acronyms like dti, our dwell time index. everyone listening is jotting that one down. yeah, absolutely. it�*s that acronym basically denotes whether people are making it to the end of our stories. i mean, we often feel like we�*re doing things that are important, but occasionally we�*ll dedicate a lot of column space or pixel space to a piece. and it transpires the readers don�*t necessarily care as much as we�*d like them do.

so dti... sounds a bit like a completion rate on a video. same thing, i guess. absolutely. it�*s that same that kind of data driven approach. well, thanks for coming in. can you tell us what�*s coming next? i think our lawyers at times newspapers ltd would be very angry at me if i said anything now. but stay tuned. nice to see you. thanks for coming in. thank you. appreciate it. now to finish off today�*s edition of the media show, we�*re going to turn to one of the big stories of the week, because on saturday, we heard that jane garvey and fi glover were leaving the bbc for times radio. now, for almost all of you listening, you don�*t need me to tell you who fi and jane are in different ways. they�*ve been giants of five live and then radio four no more though they�*re shifting across to times radio and so theyjoin quite a list.

..all of whom have departed the bbc�*s tv and radio output. so let�*s understand how these deals happen and the calculations that are involved. we�*re joined by sue ayton, who�*s fiona jane�*s agent, also co—founder of night agent management, which represents a whole raft of the biggest names in broadcasting. and we�*re joined by megan carver, founder and managing director of carver pr, which does publicity for some of the biggest names in broadcasting. megan and sue, thanks for. being with us on the media show. sue i�*ve got to start with you. tell us how it happened. we did this because it was a return to live broadcasting, which is their roots, their first love, and they were really being under—used at the bbc, even though they had this huge podcast, which, as we know, has downloaded millions over the last few years. they had a yen to get back to broadcast in times. radio very cleverly identified them

as this magical duo who needed to be back broadcasting daily. and that�*s really where it started. we had had other offers, but those other offers were podcast based. and this wasn�*t about taking a podcast from the bbc that had been hugely successful and transporting it somewhere else. this was about them going back to what they had always done, which was live broadcasting, and they hadn�*t been doing a great deal of that over the last few years. and so that was really what drove this. some people listening might be surprised to hear that and think, well, didn�*t the bbc want to offer them more live broadcasting? well. good question. you should put that to the bbc. they had been working on other programming, but there wasn�*t enough of it. the podcast was extremely successful. jane had another series called life changing, but across the year there wasn�*t a great deal of live broadcasting, and that�*s really what they wanted to do.

and because the podcast with the two of them together had worked so well, the times wanted to make the most of that and put them together doing daily news, which is where they started, i should say, before we go any further, that fortunately the podcast will continue on the bbc until the end of the year. we also invited the bbc to take part in this discussion. i�*m interested from your point of view though, sue, here you are, one of the best known broadcasting agents in the country. you�*ve got two of the best known stars on your books and an option of leaving the bbc after many years comes up. what position do you take? do you advise them to do one or the other, or do you how does that how does that relationship work? well, you have to look at overall the family commitments, the lifestyle. obviously, the financial implications and considerations are important. but you have to look at this was two people at the same time. so it was more complex at this moment in time. what is right for their career? what do they want to do? this is an exciting idea thatjust

grew and grew and it took many months to pull together and they were very sad to leave the bbc and it�*s very hard to leave the bbc. i have worked with other people that have been at the bbc that have had her whole career at the bbc. and to leave is very difficult. it�*s like leaving home. what i have to do is the right thing that we have decided we are going to leave. in this case, it was because she was going to classic fm and it was a whole new life for her and has proven to be the right move. yes, it�*s a big responsibility because it�*s someone�*s livelihood, it�*s their career, it�*s their mortgage. it�*s all of those things you�*ve been talking about earlier. but if they�*ve made that decision and you know it�*s the right thing to do, what i have to do is make sure we carry that through and we don�*t get pulled off in different directions with people saying, well, why don�*t you do this? why don�*t you do that? if it�*s the right thing to do and the circumstances are right and the finances are part of that, but it�*s not it can�*t be driven by that. there�*s lots of factors

that have to come in and i have to keep a cool and steady head. well, in this case, you got the deal done. fi and jane are moving across to times radio. meghan, i�*d like to bring you in here. as i have heard, that long list of big bbc stars i said have left in recent years, do you think that�*s just normal moving and shaking within the media, or is there something else going on here? i think it's normal. i think it's a bit of normal moving, shaking in the media. i think what happens is that when people leave something in the media because they're well known names, that people get really, really excited about it. but actually, it's not unusual for people to change jobs and many people in many industries change jobs. and it's never seen as a big deal. what happens when it's on in the media? because the household names, we create this real excitement around it and we think, oh, there's got to be this big drama. people have got to be really angry. people are really unhappy. there's a lot of speculation that there's huge dramas and people running around corridors panicking. but honestly, in my experience, it is a series of adult conversations without dramas.

it's based on many factors. but do you think those factors that you referenced there have changed? for example, tv and radio presenters, the state of the obvious used to primarily sign up to present tv and radio programmes. but now there�*s intellectual property. there are live events, there�*s a, there�*s a, there�*s a broader range of factors here, aren�*t there, meghan? there are. you're absolutely right. there are so many more options. so if you go back even four or five years ago, if you're a speech broadcaster in the uk, your options really were fairly minimal. you were basically at the bbc or maybe one commercial, but there are more options than ever before. you know, just i mean, just in radio lbc is now national. there's times radio, we've got talk radio. and then of course there is podcasts and what podcast offers presenters is a new global audience. it offers them the chance to take shows on tours and go into that live that live arena. that is real fun. and i�*m just going to bring in sue because i�*m short on time here. sue, do all of those factors mean that perhaps being outside the bbc is a simpler experience

because you can do these things without with fewer obstacles, perhaps? well, if someone�*s in current affairs news and current affairs, wherever they are, rules are in place. so there�*s certain things they can and can�*t do and we have to abide by them. so it�*s... yes, you can look at opportunities, but people are allowed to do things within the bbc depending on what their role is and what part of the bbc they work in. so it doesn�*t close everything off. but when people want to leave the bbc, very often the bbc will say, well, you are your career to us. whereas actual fact that people own the career. so a number of things that they�*ve worked very hard all their life and they had to have been at the bbc and then they want to break free and they should be allowed to do so. but it�*s not an easy decision for anyone and it�*s certainly not breaking free is, is necessarily means someone�*s going to pots of money and all different ways because it�*s not as simple as that. it�*s certainly isn�*t, it�*s much, much tougher and harder. i�*m afraid we�*re going

to have to leave it there. thanks to you, meghan, as well forjoining us and of course, to our three other guests as well. but that�*s it for this edition of the media show. thank you for watching. we�*ll be back at the usual times on the bbc news channel next week. hello there, after all the cloud and rain we had yesterday today has been a more straightforward mixture of sunshine and showers. tbs, a more straightforward mixture of sunshine and showers.— sunshine and showers. a brisk westerly winds, _ sunshine and showers. a brisk westerly winds, we _ sunshine and showers. a brisk westerly winds, we continue l sunshine and showers. a brisk| westerly winds, we continue to sunshine and showers. a brisk- westerly winds, we continue to see the driest weather across more sheltered eastern parts of the uk. if we look to the west, this riverfront is coming in from the atlantic and that will thicken the cloud bring some rain across more southern parts of the uk tonight and into tomorrow. that figure clad studs to bring some rain before midnight into the south—west of england and i think i will push the patchy rain further east across

southern england and into south wales late on. keeping temperatures up wales late on. keeping temperatures up here. further north, skies are clear, showers tending to fade away, the winds are falling light and temperature cooling down to 7 or 8 degrees. the winds will be a lot lighter tomorrow for the london marathon which is good news. but there will be cloud and some rain around. particularly in the morning, become dry, maybe a bit brighter into the afternoon as well. this is where we have the rain vesting across southern england and into south wales. could be some heavier bursts of rain mainly in the south—west of england in the morning foot of a lot of that rain becomes lighter and patchy as it sinks its way further south in the afternoon. away from where lots of sunshine around, some patchy cloud and the odd lighter shower in the north—west of scotland. certain a few showers than today. a lot of places will be dry. maybe not quite as dry as today. midlands and eastern england temperatures up 17 or 18 degrees. it could turn pretty chilly overnight into monday morning thanks to that ridge of high pressure. it will get

pumped into though by these weather fronts coming in from the atlantic and many places will start with a dry start on monday. somali mist and fog across england and wales, otherwise a sunshine, clyde will increase. when will pick up. this is where we will find some weather damage rain setting. 18 or 19 degrees. it will be a very unsettled week. we continue to see whether fronts are piling in from the atlantic. they go so far and then start to stumble and then push their way eastwards again later on. so a very unsettled week ahead. we have some rain in the forecast, most days across the uk, there will be some sunshine around at times, but there will be some strong winds. at least it should be fairly mild.

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