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bringing us tomorrow. with me are nigel nelson, political editor of people and the sunday mirror and political commentatorjo phillips. tomorrow's front pages, starting with... the sunday times leads with the explosion on the only bridge linking russia to the occupied crimean peninsula. the paper says the blast gives ukraine hope and is a serious embarassment for russia. the observer leads on the same story, calling the incident a bitter blow for the russian leader vladimir putin. moving on, the telegraph's lead is a call from the prime minister, liz truss, to her mps unite or face or disaster. the sunday express says the pm is telling her ministers to work together and stop navel gazing. the mail sticks with the political theme with an aide of the prime minister telling michael gove to stop plotting or let in keir starmer. the mirror leads with the death of the serial killer peter tobin
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and his ex wife saying she's his death has bought a sense of relief. so let's begin... a warm welcome to our guests nigel and joe, let's start with a sunday times first of all, which has on its front page, the image of the bridge on which there was the explosion there, so if i start with you, joe, first of all, humiliating for putting and it brings hope for ukraine? , ., , , ukraine? yes it does, indeed, this was the bridge _ ukraine? yes it does, indeed, this was the bridge that _ ukraine? yes it does, indeed, this was the bridge that was _ ukraine? yes it does, indeed, this was the bridge that was a - ukraine? yes it does, indeed, this was the bridge that was a symboll was the bridge that was a symbol hated _ was the bridge that was a symbol hated by— was the bridge that was a symbol hated by people in ukraine because it is a _ hated by people in ukraine because it is a symbol of russia's occupation of crimea. it was opened in 2018— occupation of crimea. it was opened in 2018 by— occupation of crimea. it was opened in 2018 by vladimir putin, it was, and a display, i suppose, of ownership — it was, and a display, i suppose, of ownership of — it was, and a display, i suppose, of ownership of crimea. so, yes, as you say, it— ownership of crimea. so, yes, as you say, it is— ownership of crimea. so, yes, as you say. it is very— ownership of crimea. so, yes, as you say, it is very embarrassing for the kremlin _
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say, it is very embarrassing for the kremlin. obviously, ukraine hasn't actually— kremlin. obviously, ukraine hasn't actually claimed responsibly for ed but the _ actually claimed responsibly for ed but the fact that they have been slightly— but the fact that they have been slightly cheeky messages saying happy— slightly cheeky messages saying happy birthday, mr president, because — happy birthday, mr president, because it was putin's 70th birthday yesterday. — because it was putin's 70th birthday yesterday, and apparently some stamps— yesterday, and apparently some stamps have already come out, as we were hearing — stamps have already come out, as we were hearing earlier, with pictures of the _ were hearing earlier, with pictures of the bridge in flames. but not only is— of the bridge in flames. but not only is it — of the bridge in flames. but not only is it embarrassing, it is also strategically important because it will hamper the movement of russian troops _ will hamper the movement of russian troops and _ will hamper the movement of russian troops and supplies from crimea to the front— troops and supplies from crimea to the front line of south and eastern ukraine, _ the front line of south and eastern ukraine, but also for people in crimea — ukraine, but also for people in crimea it— ukraine, but also for people in crimea it is— ukraine, but also for people in crimea it is also about supplies to them _ crimea it is also about supplies to them so. — crimea it is also about supplies to them so. it — crimea it is also about supplies to them. so, it is logistically a nightmare for russian troops but also for— nightmare for russian troops but also for the people living in crimea _ also for the people living in crimea. ,, ., ., , crimea. nigel, russia downplaying the imact crimea. nigel, russia downplaying the impact of _ crimea. nigel, russia downplaying the impact of this, _ crimea. nigel, russia downplaying the impact of this, but _ crimea. nigel, russia downplaying the impact of this, but of- crimea. nigel, russia downplaying the impact of this, but of course, i the impact of this, but of course, it is as joe the impact of this, but of course, it is asjoe said, hugely symbolic. it is. it is a strategic and
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symbolic victory for ukraine, although the sunday times does seem to suggest there is some confusion about who eggs carry this out, —— who exactly carried this out. ukrainian security services to infighting in the russian army and a spy infighting in the russian army and a spy agency, so that might explain why ukraine has not actually officially claimed responsibly for this. but, certainly, it is demoralising for president putin, demoralising for president putin, demoralising for president putin, demoralising for ordinary russians. what it is showing is something that we didn't really expect when this was started, and that is that ukraine doesn't seem to be winning it. �* ., ., ., ukraine doesn't seem to be winning it. ., ., ,. it. and if we go on to domestic affairs and _ it. and if we go on to domestic affairs and now— it. and if we go on to domestic affairs and now i _ it. and if we go on to domestic affairs and now i look- it. and if we go on to domestic affairs and now i look at - it. and if we go on to domestic affairs and now i look at the i it. and if we go on to domestic- affairs and now i look at the sunday express, with the headline, heads down and charge, it looks at liz truss's strategy to revive the economy as michael ghosh is labelled
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a sadist who will put labour into power. jo, if labour do get into power, how much do you think it will be down to michael gove's yachting? none whatsoever. there was a poll in the observer which gives labour over a 20 point lead and liz truss on the lowest ever personal rating for a prime minister. only lower is her chancellor kwasi kwarteng, so, no, if labour were to win an election, it is because people have had enough of this government, and this government, you know, whether it is liz truss, boris johnson, government, you know, whether it is liz truss, borisjohnson, theresa may, or david cameron, has been in powerfor i2 may, or david cameron, has been in powerfor 12 years. what may, or david cameron, has been in power for 12 years. what liz truss is trying to do, according to the express, is trying to reset. parliament goes back next week after the conference season, she has only been prime ministerfor the conference season, she has only been prime minister for little over a month, nigel was in birmingham so
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he has a better take on it, i avoided it, but she is saying you've got to stop navel—gazing to her mps, we've got to work together and charge ahead. but i think part of the problem is in her charging ahead, she is not actually listening to people who might be offering wise counsel and that is when you end up with u—turns. counsel and that is when you end up with u-turns-— with u-turns. nigel, ifi move on to the mail new. _ with u-turns. nigel, ifi move on to the mail now, the _ with u-turns. nigel, ifi move on to the mail now, the same _ with u-turns. nigel, ifi move on to the mail now, the same story, - with u-turns. nigel, ifi move on to the mail now, the same story, it. the mail now, the same story, it says sadistic michael gove told stop plots or let in starmer. is michael gove someone who has been referred to as a statistic in any way before? i've heard him called an awful lot of names— i've heard him called an awful lot of names that this is the first time that sadist— of names that this is the first time that sadist has come up, but certainly— that sadist has come up, but certainly he was the leader of the opposition in birmingham, and it is largely— opposition in birmingham, and it is largely thanks to michael gove that the tax _ largely thanks to michael gove that the tax cut for millionaires was abandoned. they could be some good
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news for— abandoned. they could be some good news for lil— abandoned. they could be some good news for liz truss coming up this week. _ news for liz truss coming up this week. she — news for liz truss coming up this week, she will get hurt mini budget through. _ week, she will get hurt mini budget through. it — week, she will get hurt mini budget through, it was getting rid of that 45p tax _ through, it was getting rid of that 45p tax cut that will help her do that _ 45p tax cut that will help her do that and — 45p tax cut that will help her do that. and the next question, then, is whether— that. and the next question, then, is whether or not she upgrades benefits— is whether or not she upgrades benefits in line with inflation. it's benefits in line with inflation. it's she — benefits in line with inflation. it's she does do that, that would actually— it's she does do that, that would actually give tory mps a chance to -et actually give tory mps a chance to get behind her, because at the moment. — get behind her, because at the moment, that is the help they would die on. _ moment, that is the help they would die on. and _ moment, that is the help they would die on, and they won't vote for that. _ die on, and they won't vote for that. and — die on, and they won't vote for that, and they are prepared to bring down _ that, and they are prepared to bring down the _ that, and they are prepared to bring down the government and then cause a general— down the government and then cause a general election as a result. more division on _ general election as a result. more division on the _ general election as a result. more division on the front _ general election as a result. more division on the front page - general election as a result. more division on the front page of - general election as a result. we division on the front page of the independent, it says trust it to sideline home office on migrants. if i start with you, jo, this is liz truss coming up against suella braverman on the issue of migration.
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yes, and this is an exclusive that the independent have on the front page. basically, liz truss was to have more visas to achieve the growth in the areas where there are huge staff shortages, not least of all health, hospitality, agriculture, and so forth. so she's ready wanting to push ahead with more visas to encourage immigrants to come and work here. but suella braverman, the new home secretary, is saying, no, no, no, we want to stop immigration. but business leaders have been told, apparently by number ten, to ignore the home office and lobby other departments, including jacob rees—mogg, the business secretary, or cabinet officer nadhim zahawi, so if you are going to set yourself on a collision course with your home secretary, it doesn't strike a note of unity, does
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it? �* , , ,. it? and, nigel, is this reminiscent of some of— it? and, nigel, is this reminiscent of some of the _ it? and, nigel, is this reminiscent of some of the other _ it? and, nigel, is this reminiscent of some of the other policies - it? and, nigel, is this reminiscent. of some of the other policies where it almost seems to be ideology meets what is practical?— what is practical? yes, to an extent, what is practical? yes, to an extent. l _ what is practical? yes, to an extent, i think _ what is practical? yes, to an extent, i think in _ what is practical? yes, to an extent, i think in this - what is practical? yes, to an i extent, i think in this particular case. _ extent, i think in this particular case, though, that where the prime minister— case, though, that where the prime minister is — case, though, that where the prime minister is is probably right. if she is— minister is is probably right. if she is going to go for growth, what we actually— she is going to go for growth, what we actually need is a high skilled labour— we actually need is a high skilled labour force and if some of that comes— labour force and if some of that comes from abroad, then all well and good _ comes from abroad, then all well and good we _ comes from abroad, then all well and good. we have a pretty vibrant labour— good. we have a pretty vibrant labour marty —— labour market at the moment— labour marty —— labour market at the moment so— labour marty —— labour market at the moment so on the basis of that, you want _ moment so on the basis of that, you want to— moment so on the basis of that, you want to bring people into filled the -aps want to bring people into filled the gaps that — want to bring people into filled the gaps that still exist in it, so i can see — gaps that still exist in it, so i can see as— gaps that still exist in it, so i can see as part of her growth plan this kind _ can see as part of her growth plan this kind of— can see as part of her growth plan this kind of thing could actually work _ this kind of thing could actually work. now, asjo has pointed out, suella _ work. now, asjo has pointed out, suella braverman doesn't want to, she wants — suella braverman doesn't want to, she wants to curb immigration and is not keen— she wants to curb immigration and is not keen on— she wants to curb immigration and is not keen on issuing more visas to people _ not keen on issuing more visas to people from abroad. but in this
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particular— people from abroad. but in this particular instance, i think probably the pm is right and the home _ probably the pm is right and the home secretary is wrong. and probably the pm is right and the home secretary is wrong. and who do ou think home secretary is wrong. and who do you think is — home secretary is wrong. and who do you think is likely _ home secretary is wrong. and who do you think is likely to _ home secretary is wrong. and who do you think is likely to win _ home secretary is wrong. and who do you think is likely to win out _ you think is likely to win out between that power struggle between them? is this potentially another liz truss u—turn or do you think this is something where suella braverman will have no choice to back down?— braverman will have no choice to back down? ., ~ ., , back down? oh, no, i think on things like this the — back down? oh, no, i think on things like this the m — back down? oh, no, i think on things like this the pm always _ back down? oh, no, i think on things like this the pm always wins. - back down? oh, no, i think on things like this the pm always wins. just - like this the pm always wins. just simple _ like this the pm always wins. just simple because she is the pm. so, i would _ simple because she is the pm. so, i would imagine that in this instance, liz truss— would imagine that in this instance, liz truss will get her own way. jo, how liz truss will get her own way. how popular liz truss will get her own way. jrr, how popular do you think that would be amongst conservative voters? well, businesses have been calling for an easing of the rules to encourage and get people into bill the badly needed vacancies, as i said, construction, hospitality, agriculture, all of those suffering shortages. we may have home grown labour but we don't necessarily have the high skilled labour, so if you
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want to go for growth and stop building, you know, all of those fantastically highly skilled labourers in the construction sector that came over from eastern europe and then disappeared after brexit, you are going to have to be able to entice them to come back. so, i think business would probably welcome it. but, you know, it does send out mixed messages, and i think thatis send out mixed messages, and i think that is part of the problem. i send out mixed messages, and i think that is part of the problem.— that is part of the problem. i want to finally take _ that is part of the problem. i want to finally take a _ that is part of the problem. i want to finally take a look _ that is part of the problem. i want to finally take a look at _ that is part of the problem. i want to finally take a look at another i to finally take a look at another story on the front page of the sunday times, which is it because flash point pits macro to the trust. they quote the head of the national trust, she is accusing liz truss of demonising conservationist. she says we are facing one the biggest threats to nature at my lifetime as she puts that at the door of the prime minister's policies. this is
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true and of _ prime minister's policies. this is true and of course _ prime minister's policies. this is true and of course the _ prime minister's policies. this is true and of course the nationall true and of course the national trust _ true and of course the national trust has — true and of course the national trust has 5.7 million members, a lot of them _ trust has 5.7 million members, a lot of them being tory voters, so, she is quite _ of them being tory voters, so, she is quite a _ of them being tory voters, so, she is quite a formidable opponent. the prohlem _ is quite a formidable opponent. the problem with the whole growth policy is, problem with the whole growth policy is. from _ problem with the whole growth policy is, from the government's point of view. _ is, from the government's point of view. what — is, from the government's point of view, what you need to do is to track. _ view, what you need to do is to track. to — view, what you need to do is to frack, to ease up planning rules so you can _ frack, to ease up planning rules so you can build more, and also getting rid of— you can build more, and also getting rid of eu _ you can build more, and also getting rid of eu environmental rules, and now all— rid of eu environmental rules, and now all of— rid of eu environmental rules, and now all of this is an anathema to something — now all of this is an anathema to something like the national trust and other— something like the national trust and other countryside organisations and other countryside organisations and it— and other countryside organisations and it will— and other countryside organisations and it will be very difficult to persuade them that this is actually a good _ persuade them that this is actually a good idea. so, really, it is a question— a good idea. so, really, it is a question of— a good idea. so, really, it is a question of how you actually compromise. nobody wants fracking outside _ compromise. nobody wants fracking outside their front door but how you actually _ outside their front door but how you actually convince people that tracking _ actually convince people that fracking broadly is a good idea, the same _ fracking broadly is a good idea, the same thing — fracking broadly is a good idea, the same thing applies to planning rules — same thing applies to planning rules no — same thing applies to planning
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rules. no one wants building again in their— rules. no one wants building again in their back yard, which is a real problem — in their back yard, which is a real problem. and that is the challenge that the _ problem. and that is the challenge that the prime minister is now facing — that the prime minister is now facina. , ., ., , ., , that the prime minister is now facin. ., , ., , facing. jo, i do remember any early da s of facing. jo, i do remember any early days of the — facing. jo, i do remember any early days of the pandemic, _ facing. jo, i do remember any early days of the pandemic, not - days of the pandemic, not necessarily early, hilary mcgrady did say during the pandemic, she talked about the need for building growth in a green way. absolutely. it is not necessarily one of the other. ., . . it is not necessarily one of the other. ., ., ., ._ , ., other. now, and there are ways of doinu other. now, and there are ways of doing things. _ other. now, and there are ways of doing things, and _ other. now, and there are ways of doing things, and one _ other. now, and there are ways of doing things, and one of— other. now, and there are ways of doing things, and one of the - other. now, and there are ways of| doing things, and one of the things is to green up cities, and you rightly refer to the desperation of people who have got no outside space at all, not even a balcony, and i think, you know, we all learnt and realised how precious that outside space is, whether a balcony, courtyard, a part, a field. the trouble is if you start building over, and you can see it, set in the south—east of england and other great swathes of it where prime
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agricultural land is being built on, built on, built on. what that does to things like the water table, and we have had a terrible drought this year, once you lose that land, you can't get it back because it is built on. to go full steam ahead like a burner china shop actually you need to think longer term, and i think people are much more concerned about the environment, and it is not just nimbyism. you are not going to get this through. the tories lost by—election over proposals to change the planning rules, and gave a fantastic victory to the liberal democrats, i can't say they can just bypass local councils, local people, unless they totally want to destroy themselves. i unless they totally want to destroy themselves-— unless they totally want to destroy themselves. ~' , ., ,., , , themselves. i think we will probably be told about _ themselves. i think we will probably be told about this _ themselves. i think we will probably be told about this issue _ themselves. i think we will probably be told about this issue in _ themselves. i think we will probably be told about this issue in the - be told about this issue in the future again some time, won't we? it won't be going away. thank you so much,j phillips and nigel nelson, thank you both of you. that is it for the papers this hour, goodbye
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for the papers this hour, goodbye for now. hello and a very warm welcome to the film review on bbc news. i'm jane hill. and taking us through this week's releases, as ever is mark kermode. hi, mark. hi. so we have three very different movies — the lost king, the true story of the search for richard iii. we have vengeance, the story of life, the universe and podcasts. and amsterdam, a star—studded new movie from director david 0 russell. so, lost king. the lost king. sally hawkins stars in, honestly, a stranger than fiction tale of philippa langley�*s quest to find and retrieve the remains of king richard iii, famously maligned by history and playwrights like shakespeare,
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who she comes to believe, the bones are under a car park in leicester. so the film reunites the team behind philomena, so director stephen frears, writerjeff pope and writer and costar steve coogan, who plays philippa's exjohn. in real life philippa langley felt she was guided to the burial spot and got goosebumps while standing on it by something not quite normal, i suppose. take a look. dramatic music plays music swells
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