tv HAR Dtalk BBC News October 18, 2022 12:30am-1:01am BST
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we will have the headlines and all the main news stories for you at the top of the hour as newsday continues straight after hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk i am stephen sackur. ukraine has proved its resilience and resolve in the eight months since vladimir putin launched his all—out invasion. but this war of survival keeps throwing up new challenges right now, the biggest threat comes from russia's missile and drone
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strikes on civilian infrastructure. spreading terror and threatening winter energy supplies. my guest is ukraine's energy minister german galushchenko. battlefield gains cannot disguise strategic vulnerability. is ukraine ready for putin's escalation strategy? german galushchenko mtf, welcome to hardtalk. hello, some. minister, _ welcome to hardtalk. hello, some. minister, you - welcome to hardtalk. hello, some. minister, you have - some. minister, you have another — some. minister, you have another day _ some. minister, you have another day of _ some. minister, you have another day of air - some. minister, you have another day of air strikes| some. minister, you have i another day of air strikes in kyiv. these so—called kamakaze
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drones apply to russia by the iranians that are causing havoc right now in kyiv and in many towns and cities across your country, how worried are you about the fear they are spreading? about the fear they are spreading?— about the fear they are sreadin: ? ~ ., about the fear they are sreadina? ~ ., , spreading? well, we have seen based, spreading? well, we have seen based. they _ spreading? well, we have seen based, they started _ spreading? well, we have seen based, they started using - based, they started using drones and targeting the energy infrastructure and that is the massive schillings which started from the monday we ago and the schillings continue every day and is not only this, several hours ago and shelved by missiles and the number of energy objects and that is a new approach of russians against ukraine and the targeting of energy
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infrastructure.- targeting of energy infrastructure. �* ~ ., infrastructure. and i know you and ukraine _ infrastructure. and i know you and ukraine are _ infrastructure. and i know you and ukraine are careful- infrastructure. and i know you and ukraine are careful about| and ukraine are careful about giving too much information about the targets in the success the russians have had in knocking out targets but it is quite clear that your energy infrastructure is vulnerable. i feel that after the first wave of strikes, that you referred to as a week ago, more than 30% of your energy infrastructure received hits and there were many cases of serious power outages. you are vulnerable, aren't you?— outages. you are vulnerable, aren't you? yes, we are trying to repair — aren't you? yes, we are trying to repair as — aren't you? yes, we are trying to repair as quickly _ aren't you? yes, we are trying to repair as quickly as - aren't you? yes, we are trying to repair as quickly as we - aren't you? yes, we are trying to repair as quickly as we can l to repair as quickly as we can put when the missiles hit any objects or it makes dramatic damages to the infrastructure, of course the real energy sector is working and preparing what they can and still
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maintain stability of the system the energy system of course, we also need to make some extraordinary decisions in this very difficult situation. and defence, they are shooting down some of the cruise missiles and some the kamikazes, but not all of them. what do you need? irefill kamikazes, but not all of them. what do you need?— what do you need? will be encountered _ what do you need? will be encountered in _ what do you need? will be encountered in the - what do you need? will be i encountered in the beginning what do you need? will be - encountered in the beginning of the war, it started with the schillings of the nuclear station west of chernobyl and it was a matter of security in the world. and from that time,
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we need to have air protection system includes the skies 100% to be sure that this attack fails. ., ., . fails. you cannot close the skies of — fails. you cannot close the skies of your _ fails. you cannot close the skies of your allies - fails. you cannot close the skies of your allies are - fails. you cannot close the skies of your allies are notj skies of your allies are not prepared to give you their most effective and sophisticated air defence systems. we understand the germans are sending their so—called system that the americans of promise to systems and it's not as i understand it in ukraine yet. you keep making these requests for months and months. what do you make of the delays that you have clearly encountered? figs delays that you have clearly encountered?— delays that you have clearly encountered? as i understand it, some encountered? as i understand it. some of — encountered? as i understand it, some of the _ encountered? as i understand it, some of the systems - encountered? as i understand it, some of the systems are l it, some of the systems are already in ukraine and transmitted quickly and some are on the way. he gives us the feeling that we should be better protected for the winter. now, it's very
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important because the temperature is not below zero and the possibility very quickly and even when we speak to some consumers, for several hours, it, if these missiles and train attacks will be repeated during the winter, it is very important that we have strong air protection. {line strong air protection. one country under _ strong air protection. one country under the - strong air protection. one country under the spotlight as israel. israel is a very sophisticated air defence system that they call the iron dome that stops rockets are being fired iranian made rockets fired into hamas into israeli territory. it is not clear that israel is in any way prepared to give you assistance to create some sort of iron dome shield, have you or your
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government had any contact in recent days with israel or others? �* , recent days with israel or others?— recent days with israel or others? a , ., ., others? as i understand, due to the close cooperation _ others? as i understand, due to the close cooperation of - others? as i understand, due to the close cooperation of iran - the close cooperation of iran and russia, the position of israel could be changed or maybe already and so, more to the diplomats they understand that the communications of this, i hope we can count on them. ., ., them. you refer to winter coming — them. you refer to winter coming and _ them. you refer to winterj coming and temperatures them. you refer to winter - coming and temperatures are going to drop rapidly in ukraine. can you guarantee the ukrainian people that they will have access to electricity, heating hot water through difficult months to come would do everything _ difficult months to come would do everything to _ difficult months to come would do everything to guarantee - difficult months to come would| do everything to guarantee this and prepare for this really hard winter and we cannot compare it any winter which was
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before. and, we have preparing for this for this difficult situation we need to do some extraordinary decisions but what is also important is we have to speak to her people and we are fighting and doing everything every day and we need to help and now asking the population for consumption of electricity and some hours and the home, the one nation is fighting against and the need to unite also the issue of where they could help the state to maintain. 50 where they could help the state to maintain.— to maintain. so your answer is they should — to maintain. so your answer is they should sit _ to maintain. so your answer is they should sit in _ to maintain. so your answer is they should sit in a _ to maintain. so your answer is they should sit in a relatively i they should sit in a relatively cool apartment, they should not be expecting to heat their homes and the way they have donein homes and the way they have done in the past? we homes and the way they have done in the past?— homes and the way they have done in the past? we do not ask them to sit _
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done in the past? we do not ask them to sit in _ done in the past? we do not ask them to sit in darkness, - done in the past? we do not ask them to sit in darkness, no. - done in the past? we do not ask them to sit in darkness, no. we| them to sit in darkness, no. we could supply electricity in the apartment and all he make heating systems are operating. but the time using a number of equipment which consumes more electricity, they can do it nonpeak hours which is from five o'clock in the evening to ii and you could do it during the night to give the system are stability.— are stability. some fundamentals - are stability. some fundamentals are i are stability. some i fundamentals are that are stability. some _ fundamentals are that approach is not going to deal with it. your most important, your biggest nuclear power plant is producing zero electricity for the grid and that is not going to change because the plant is controlled by the russians. how do you cope with the loss of
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your biggest power plant? {iii your biggest power plant? of course, that is the most important issue in the energy problem. and it produces more than 6000 mw of electricity, which is a huge amount and even the occupation, the ukrainian staff operating in zaporizhzhia, was supplied electricity to them from september, this possibility, because we understand that this is all the same change. because now, in zaporizhzhia, they started targeting the energy infrastructure is already influencing, and difficult decision which will be made in the week, but we have to stop doing this. and it was quite a
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win—win situation. and from one hand, michael to give money to ukraine in financial part of energy markets and on the other side, we hope europe to save on russian gas and oil. and coal. in that deal is now off, you cannot apply any electricity to the rest of europe and i think many people watching and listening around the world will be more worried about the remaining serious potential for dangerous outcomes in zaporizhzhia in the nuclear power plant itself. the russians are in control and there is fighting close by and they accuse you of shelling in they accuse you of shelling in the vicinity of the plant and we know that power is consistently being cut to the plant and its reliant at times, i think maybe even now for these generators to keep the cooling systems going. to the
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outside world, this looks horribly dangerous. find outside world, this looks horribly dangerous. and you're absolutely _ horribly dangerous. and you're absolutely right. _ horribly dangerous. and you're absolutely right. in _ absolutely right. in zaporizhzhia, that is really the danger and is a big threat because it happened today, today, supplying electricity to this, and to generate the blackout of the station and this is the fourth time it's happened. it's very dangerous situation, especially from many points of view. when you're ready on these generators, means that you depend on some accidental shelling that could stop this generator operation and then, you are facing a nuclear disaster. and that is the soldiers on that side. you're not occupying the plant, the russians are in the some
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serious questions about what they're doing in zaporizhzhia, but you face serious questions too. your military needs to, you military needs to back off the region around that power plant. it'sjust the region around that power plant. it's just simply too dangerous to engage in military operations there.— operations there. we're not talkin: operations there. we're not talking about _ operations there. we're not talking about the _ operations there. we're not talking about the military i talking about the military operations on land or the shelling, that is what really russians did when they capture the station, it was march and they shall at the station from any kind of weapons, from tanks and that's really the craziness of what they're doing. and we're not talking about the operation on the side, the stationary shelling. first, we understand the risks. you are at war with — understand the risks. you are at war with russia _ understand the risks. you are at war with russia but - understand the risks. you are at war with russia but you - understand the risks. you are i at war with russia but you must be very aware of the bizarre relationships that you still
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have with the russians, albeit one step removed. for example, you need gas in ukraine. i know you need gas in ukraine. i know you put your reserves, please do need to import gas and allow the gas to get comes from europe but it's actually russian gas which your re—importing via pipelines in europe. you want the europeans to completely wean themselves off russian gas, your point to have to wean yourselves off russian gas and russian petroleum products as well, aren't you? in petroleum products as well, aren't you?— petroleum products as well, aren't you? in fact, that is an issue that — aren't you? in fact, that is an issue that all _ aren't you? in fact, that is an issue that all that _ aren't you? in fact, that is an issue that all that is - aren't you? in fact, that is an | issue that all that is happened around the gas and supply of gas to europe, that is a big question of a russian monopoly in europe and now, we have no extreme one in which from two from the supply of the gas to europe and so, ukrainian pipe is whether very important pipes
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today and taking this into account, increasing the volumes of gas and supply through ukraine. we stopped legally buying russian gas here. but ou're buying russian gas here. but you're still— buying russian gas here. but you're still using gas which originates in russia, right? today, we are producing ukrainian gas which we put in storages but also, we use imported gas. storages but also, we use imported gas-— storages but also, we use imported gas. storages but also, we use imorted as. ., ., ~ ., ., imported gas. you do know that some of it _ imported gas. you do know that some of it is _ imported gas. you do know that some of it is russian. _ imported gas. you do know that some of it is russian. it - imported gas. you do know that some of it is russian. it could i some of it is russian. it could be. some _ some of it is russian. it could be. some of— some of it is russian. it could be, some of its. _ some of it is russian. it could be, some of its. but - some of it is russian. it could be, some of its. but we - some of it is russian. it could be, some of its. but we buy. be, some of its. but we buy from a european allies. there is some very _ from a european allies. there is some very bizarre - from a european allies. there| is some very bizarre outcomes at the moment and it is not going to change into ukraine julie finds a way of developing the infrastructure that is reliant on these fossil fuels that russia continues to dominate. —— truly.
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that russia continues to dominate. -- truly. that is the coal of dominate. -- truly. that is the goal of our _ dominate. -- truly. that is the goal of our energy _ dominate. -- truly. that is the goal of our energy structure i goal of our energy structure and strategies for the future. we do not want to use their gas in the future. and by the strategies of the future. the mental politics _ strategies of the future. the mental politics with - strategies of the future. the mental politics with you. how worried are you that in the end, this coming winter is going to be very, very difficult for europe and the difficulties that european citizens face with their energy supplies might well corrode support for ukraine. the record she works in the belgian prime ministerjust a few days ago when he was talking about the difficulties with energy supply and said a few weeks like this and said a few weeks like this and if you're going to her. and there could be deindustrialisation and the severe risk of fundamental social unrest. that is what putin wants and they'll be very
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bad for ukraine and support you from europe. i bad for ukraine and support you from europe-— from europe. i know not only in bel ium from europe. i know not only in belgium that — from europe. i know not only in belgium that we _ from europe. i know not only in belgium that we follow - from europe. i know not only in belgium that we follow the - belgium that we follow the situation in europe very closely and from my personal feelings, this very important essentials, if we can think of any kind of way where we can for the price of gas, you should pay more for the gas and that's what russia wants. they tried to influence the european country and this possibility to push politically on the countries. and we will discuss on the levels that we need to pay more for the gas because of the prices that this incredible increase in prices is notjust
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because of them. increase in prices is not 'ust because of them.�* increase in prices is not 'ust because of them. and if i make when it comes _ because of them. and if i make when it comes down _ because of them. and if i make when it comes down to - because of them. and if i make when it comes down to is - because of them. and if i make when it comes down to is the i when it comes down to is the fundamental problem that you've got in ukraine. this that they can do about it we are fundamentally dependent under western allies. that is, the americans and the europeans. you're so dependent on them for notjust military support, but for economic support as well. and in the coming months, but things get truly difficult. that support may begin to crumble. that support may begin to crumble-— that support may begin to crumble. �* ., , ., crumble. and that is the great mistake of— crumble. and that is the great mistake of the _ crumble. and that is the great mistake of the civilised - crumble. and that is the great mistake of the civilised world. j mistake of the civilised world. and that's not the issue, now, we are in the front line. and we are in the front line. and we are in the front line. and we are fighting forjoint values and their fighting for civilised choice and i think thatis civilised choice and i think that is more important than payments and how much you should pay for the gas and that
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is the issue of solidarity. european solidarity, which is really very helpful in your right, we understand that this is something that we need. you must be realist _ is something that we need. you must be realist and _ is something that we need. you must be realist and you're talking to me from your office you're wearing military fatigues and i know that is a symbol of a struggle that you in all ukrainian leaders feel you are in. it is an existential war, as you see it. but it's not quite as existential if you are living in paris, i guess in the truth is, the french government is to take one example, is not offering you the levels of economic or military assistance that you say you need. why do you think that is? i that you say you need. why do you think that is?— you think that is? i think that's more _ you think that is? i think that's more the - you think that is? i thinkj that's more the question you think that is? i think - that's more the question of, i don't mean to say that about some country. but the most important issue is everyone should understand that this is
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the most important thing that is happening in their history. we cannot think that after the war, and that's not only the issue of ukraine, and before february, the whole world changed. that is very important to be part of the right side in the situation. i cannot imagine that. �* , the situation. i cannot imagine that. a ., , that. as your allies, mother teresa, that. as your allies, mother teresa. the _ that. as your allies, mother teresa, the americans - that. as your allies, mother teresa, the americans are i that. as your allies, mother . teresa, the americans are very pretty and $50 billion worth of military and economic assistance in europe not so much. and they have a stake in what is happening. they watch a strategy in the sea that you made significant gains in the east, but also in the south,
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you appeared to be intent on pushing towards khers but they do not believe that you can deliver a knockout blow as the russian occupation forces. so, they want to know what is your end game, what is your strategy for ultimately ending this war? isn't all about liberation of every of territory or can you acknowledge that there may be something short of that? i am sure that _ something short of that? i am sure that the _ something short of that? i am sure that the end _ something short of that? i am sure that the end of— something short of that? i am sure that the end of the - something short of that? i am sure that the end of the war i sure that the end of the war for us, will be the liberation of our territories in accordance with the international law. in accordance the international rules. ., ~' ., accordance the international rules. ., ~ ., ., ., rules. you know, for vladimir putin, that — rules. you know, for vladimir putin, that cannot _ rules. you know, for vladimir putin, that cannot happen. i rules. you know, for vladimir i putin, that cannot happen. that is an existential threat to him. where is there any prospect of this war ending? i'm struggling to see it. thea;r
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i'm struggling to see it. they are planning _ i'm struggling to see it. they are planning to _ i'm struggling to see it. they are planning to take - i'm struggling to see it. they are planning to take half- i'm struggling to see it. they are planning to take half of. are planning to take half of ukraine for three days, and it's what putin is planning in the field and i'm sure he will fail to stop us. i the field and i'm sure he will fail to stop us.— fail to stop us. i 'ust wonder whether you — fail to stop us. ijust wonder whether you feel— fail to stop us. ijust wonder whether you feel that - fail to stop us. ijust wonder whether you feel that in - whether you feel that in washington, for example, calibrating their support for you. this really do not want ukraine to lose, but they do not necessarily want ukraine to achieve allied victory because hejoe achieve allied victory because he joe biden achieve allied victory because hejoe biden says, the world is very close to he calls armageddon. nuclear confrontation and he is determined in the white house to avoid that.— to avoid that. without a victory. _ to avoid that. without a victory. we _ to avoid that. without a victory, we cannot - to avoid that. without a victory, we cannot be i to avoid that. without a i victory, we cannot be safe. to avoid that. without a - victory, we cannot be safe. the kinds of agreements would be discussed with russia will solve nothing. he's talking about nuclear we are already at the accidents in chernobyl and
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zaporizhzhia today and every day, the world is on threat of nuclear accident. day, the world is on threat of nuclearaccident. it's day, the world is on threat of nuclear accident. it's not a question of nuclear weapon, it's a matter of it already exists. ~ ., , ., ~' it's a matter of it already exists. ~ ., i. ~ ., , , , exists. what you think happens next. do exists. what you think happens next- do you — exists. what you think happens next. do you think— exists. what you think happens next. do you think the - next. do you think the government will say we are assuming the government launch the dramatic strike on the bridge. that seemed to lead to prudent retaliating with missile strikes across your country. escalation appears to be inevitable given was saying to me, give what putin is staying in moscow. is there any way out of escalation? the escalation _ way out of escalation? the escalation decided - way out of escalation? the escalation decided in - way out of escalation? iie: escalation decided in moscow in the war started from moscow and if they want to stop this war, they can do it immediately. the question is, how they can
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communicate and what it was, special operations mobilisation and challenging for them to how. �* how. and in the end with winter cominu , how. and in the end with winter coming. it's _ how. and in the end with winter coming, it's going _ how. and in the end with winter coming, it's going be _ how. and in the end with winter coming, it's going be very - how. and in the end with winter coming, it's going be very hard| coming, it's going be very hard for the coming months and have great faith that ukrainian lives ukrainian military can sustain this fight? i lives ukrainian military can sustain this fight?- lives ukrainian military can sustain this fight? i am sure about this. _ sustain this fight? i am sure about this. i— sustain this fight? i am sure about this. i am _ sustain this fight? i am sure about this. i am sure - about this. i am sure that ukrainian people and ukrainian army will sustain this fight and we will achieve great results and we will win. german galushchenko _ results and we will win. german galushchenko in _ results and we will win. german galushchenko in kyiv, _ results and we will win. german galushchenko in kyiv, i- results and we will win. german galushchenko in kyiv, i think. galushchenko in kyiv, i think you very much forjoining me on hardtalk. thanks.
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hello there. monday brought plenty of afternoon sunshine across england and wales and it was very mild for the time of year with temperatures reaching as high as 20 in london. that's 4 degrees above the october average. meanwhile, in scotland, an area of low pressure was with us all day, bringing cloudier weather and outbreaks of rain that struggled to clear away. now, what we're looking at over the next couple of days is this area of low pressure will move out of the way, and in its place, an area of high pressure will build in from the north. but because it's coming in from the north, it will have some colder air trapped in that — that reaches scotland. meanwhile, to the southwest, low pressure lurks. that's going to be flicking bands of rain across the uk over the next few days
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from the southwest. looking at the weather picture at the moment, it's quite quiet weather—wise. clearing skies for most of us and it's a much colder night as well, so temperatures starting off tuesday morning down into low single figures and, for some, i reckon there will be some mist and fog patches around, probably the worst of it across parts of wales, the midlands, east anglia and southern england. it'll take the first couple of hours before that mist and fog is cleared out of the way. then you can see the extent of the day's sunshine, just a few passing showers for 0rkney, shetland, clipping aberdeenshire, and there may well be a little bit of cloud just coming in across cornwall, threatening an odd spit of rain, but for most, it's dry. temperatures mild again — england and wales, 14—18 degrees, bit close to average for scotland and for northern ireland. heading into the middle part of the week, we see this area of rain extending in from the southwest. now, as the rain comes in on wednesday, it's going to come in kind of sporadically in bursts here and there. might stay dry across northeast england and dry for scotland, but you'll notice more cloud building in here, probably quite misty as well. cooler weather for scotland and the far northeast of england — 9—12 degrees is below average, but still mild further south, even with the rain moving in.
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now, for thursday, we've got a heavier band of rain that's going to push its way northwards followed by probably a mixture of sunny spells and showers. if anything, it will get a little bit milder again with temperatures up to 19 degrees in london. mild as well for northern ireland, but still relatively cool in scotland. friday, the low pressure is still with us, but it's getting closer. really, we'll see some showery bursts of rain extending northwards across the country, and some of those downpours could be quite heavy at times. that's your latest weather, bye—bye.
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welcome to newsday, reporting live from singapore, i'm monica miller. the headlines. 0n the day that her new finance minister completely tears up her economic plan, liz truss vows to fight on. i want to accept responsibility at stake for mistakes that have been made. at stake for mistakes that have been made-— been made. will you lead the conservatives _ been made. will you lead the conservatives into _ been made. will you lead the conservatives into the - been made. will you lead the conservatives into the next i conservatives into the next general _ conservatives into the next general election? | conservatives into the next general election?— conservatives into the next general election? i will lead the conservatives _ general election? i will lead the conservatives into - general election? i will lead the conservatives into the i general election? i will lead i the conservatives into the next general election. we'll have that interview with the british prime minister and ask can she really survive?
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