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this is bbc news, i'm annita mcveigh at westminster. the headlines at 5. the new chancellor has told ministers that spending cuts are on the way, and their budgets will need to be reduced. jeremy hunt and liz truss have been meeting the cabinet after he tore up most of the mini budget yesterday. the trades union congress says uk families are at breaking point — as the country experiences the longest squeeze on real wages since the 1800s. and i'mjane hill — the headlines this hour. ukraine's president says nearly a third of his country's power stations have now been destroyed, after another round of russian air strikes on energy facilities.
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fears grow for a female iranian athlete who competed in a climbing competition without wearing a hijab — her family say they've good afternoon and welcome to bbc news, live from westminster. the prime minister will be meeting more backbenchers as she continues to try to shore up her leadership, a series of difficult headlines this morning following yesterday, following that interview as well, with our political editor chris mason in which she apologised for issues since she became prime ministerjust 41 days ago, earlier on today, it was business as usual,
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almost, with a cab neating, she and —— cabinet meeting, she and the new chancellor speaking at that meeting and the chancellor was setting out his plan, his thoughts on spending cuts which he said were on the way, he said that departments should agree those spending cuts by the end oaf week so a tight timetable there, and, they were meeting of course after he tore up most of that mini budget, the liz truss economic policy, the platform on which she had stood to be elected leader. speaking to the bbc she admitted that her premiership hadn't been perfect, but she insisted she was going to lead the conservatives into the next election, despite the criticism from within the party. let us get this report from our political correspondent. is it time for liz truss to go? cabinet ministers leaving their weekly meeting
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in downing street. is she finished now? has she made too many mistakes? a united front but they know the prime minister is in serious jeopardy. prime minister, who is to blame? last night liz truss told the bbc she was sorry. first of all, i do want to accept responsibility and say sorry for the mistakes that have been made. i wanted to act, but to help people with their energy bills, to deal with the issue of high taxes. but we went too far and too fast. i've acknowledged that, i've put in place a new chancellor with a new strategy to restore economic stability. and now what i'm focused on is delivering for the public. but ms truss said she wasn't going anywhere. i will lead the conservatives into the next general election. definitely?
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well, look, yeah. i'm not focused on internal debates within the conservative party. but you need to be. i am focused... you know you need to be in order to stay in office. the important thing is that i have been elected to this position to deliver for the country. and you're staying put however bad the poll ratings get, however much noise there is amongst your own backbenchers, you're not shifting. i will stay in the job to deliverfor the national interest. many of her mps are not so sure. inside the houses of parliament herfuture is being actively discussed. from a government minister this morning, a warning not to move against her. i can't see, and neither can the vast majority of my colleagues, how the answer to the current situation is to indulge in even more political instability with all the economic impact that that brings. liz truss continues to meet different groups of her mps to try to reach out and shore up support. some of them think that she should be given at least a little time
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to try to turn things around. she did, they say, after all, win the leadership contest fair and square, and even those who've already decided they think she should go are considering taking a little time too, as they really want to avoid any sort of messy process to find a successor. or even face a general election, which the labour leader said they we are having an open discussion about another change of prime minister, three prime ministers in three years, and we can't go on like this, shutting the public out, and i think many people now feel that the real risk now is carrying on with this lot rather than actually having a general election. the chancellor headed to work knowing he may have brought an opportunity for some calm, at least until he delivers his next financial statement on halloween. other parties remain unconvinced. we're in an absolute crisis because we've got a prime minister whose authority has been absolutely shredded. prime minister quite simply, should have gone.
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this has been a financial experiment, but it's been a financial experiment that brings with it a price. there's a lot of - suffering out there. and even though we've seen a whole range of u—turns - by the conservatives, _ their serious economic mistakes are hurting millions of people. as we know, things can change very quickly in westminster. tomorrow liz truss will face the full force of the commons for the first time since her u—turn. political danger still very much lurks, even when things look like they're calming. helen catt, bbc news, westminster. let's speak to our political correspondent damian grammaticas. hello again to you. and, first of all that timescale that the chancellorjeremy hunt was giving to departments to agree on spending cuts, he said by the end of the week, is that the sort of timetable they expected? because it sounds awfully quick?—
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awfully quick? well, there is awfull , awfully quick? well, there is awfully, obviously _ awfully quick? well, there is awfully, obviously a - awfully quick? well, there is awfully, obviously a lot - awfully quick? well, there is awfully, obviously a lot of. awfully quick? well, there is i awfully, obviously a lot of work awfully quick? well, there is - awfully, obviously a lot of work to do crunch the numbers and pull them together into a new coherent economic picture, so this is what we have heard, is that the government departments have been told and this morning the chancellor was telling them, the ministers? cabinet they had to go away and come back pretty quickly with numbers and ways of receiving money. he said —— saving money, he said government spend willing continue to rise, the problem, they have, is that the level of inflation felt by you and i in our sort of ordinary live, those rises in government spending are be low that, so will feel like cut, but also, there are is the impact of all the economic turmoil we have seen since that botched budget and the rising interest rate, meaning rising bill, interest bills for the government to have to pay, tens of billions of shortfall still to have to try to find ways to make up, so,
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a lot of sort of things to have to balance there, and all of that, yes, but the end of the month, by october sist. but the end of the month, by october 31st. �* , ., but the end of the month, by october 31st. �* ,. but the end of the month, by october 31st. ~ ,., ., 31st. and you can imagine the narrative and _ 31st. and you can imagine the narrative and counter - 31st. and you can imagine the | narrative and counter narrative 31st. and you can imagine the - narrative and counter narrative then damian with the government saying that public spending is going up overall with opposition parties saying if it is not going up at at the same rate of inflation in real terms it's a cut and it shows doesn't it the tension between trying to keep the markets calm, and what the publike might have to face in terms of public services. yes. in terms of public services. yes, and the chancellor _ in terms of public services. yes, and the chancellor said - in terms of public services. yes, and the chancellor said this - in terms of public services. 123 and the chancellor said this morning when he was talking to the cabinet, that they should look for ways to save money but not in ways that would be, affect services being delivered to the public, that is a very difficult ask, if departments are being asked to scale back because many will say that are already at the point where it will be hard for them to find extra savings but the government also faces that sort of crucial task,
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which is, as you point out restoring sort of credibility with the market, and trying to calm that side of things, but therefore we also see the government making, you know, they are in a difficult position making statements today, so with the prime minister's official spokesman asked today whether this would mean that the pensions triple lock, the promises conservatives made that state pension would continue to go up, year on year by the highest of one of three tests so minimum of 2.5% or the rate of inflation or the rate, the rise in annual earnings, so, today, asked about well, will that pledge be kept? the spokesman would not go there, but would simply say that the government is prioritising economic stability, and it is not right to make individual decisions at this point, so the pm is aware of a committal and how many
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pensions there are but we have to wait until october 31st s— wait until october 31st 5 briefly what is your— wait until october 31st 5 briefly what is your assessments - wait until october 31st 5 briefly what is your assessments of i wait until october 31st 5 briefly i what is your assessments of truss tries situation this evening, the political temperature today hasn't felt as fifa irish as yesterday but clearly big concern she is meeting more backbenchers this evening to try to garner support? yes. more backbenchers this evening to try to garner support?— try to garner support? yes, she is meetin: try to garner support? yes, she is meeting more _ try to garner support? yes, she is meeting more of— try to garner support? yes, she is meeting more of them, _ try to garner support? yes, she is meeting more of them, she - try to garner support? yes, she is meeting more of them, she has l try to garner support? yes, she is - meeting more of them, she has been holding meetings, bringing them in to talk to them, and, clearly attempting to reassure, so, but all of these, all of this goes on against the backdrop of continues sort of swirl of discussion inside the party, about herfuture, some back her obviously, some do not, want a change, we will see tomorrow, i think, a want a change, we will see tomorrow, ithink, a pretty want a change, we will see tomorrow, i think, a pretty important moment when she has to stand up on her feet, in the houses of, in the commons and take prime minister's questions, and i think that will be
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watched by many of her mps to see is she steadying herself, her ship at that point? she steadying herself, her ship at that oint? ., ., ~ , ., , that point? damian, thank you very much. of course, _ that point? damian, thank you very much. of course, the _ that point? damian, thank you very much. of course, the focus - that point? damian, thank you very much. of course, the focus very - that point? damian, thank you very i much. of course, the focus very much continuing now on the cost of living crisis, and what this change in policy and economic policy on the part of the government means for that, and let me tell you about tomorrow, because we are going to have a day of coverage right across the bbc, finding out how the rise in living costs is affecting you. we are going to be in sunderland all day providing support and advice from our experts and speaking to a wide range of voice, including from businesses, families and so on, that is the cost of living, tackling it together. that is it from me, back to you jane in the stew owe. we will talk about energy price, a
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huge problem for so many. the we will talk about energy price, a huge problem for so many. the new chancellor's plans include ending the energy price guarantee early, in april. the resolution foundation, the think tank focused on improving living standards for low and middle income households, says even people on medium incomes may be unable to pay their electricity and gas bills next year. our business correspodent theo leggett is with me. well, it is the pop tick that concerns is everybody, to —— topic, everyone is wrestling with this, worrying, aren't they about their bills worrying, aren't they about their bil - ., �* worrying, aren't they about their bil ., �* ., worrying, aren't they about their bil ., ., bills you can't get way from your ener: bills you can't get way from your energy bill. _ bills you can't get way from your energy bill, that _ bills you can't get way from your energy bill, that is _ bills you can't get way from your energy bill, that is the _ bills you can't get way from your energy bill, that is the problem, | energy bill, that is the problem, the decision taken by the chancellor does mean that some people next year are going to be paying a lot more and to put that in context, in october last year, an average household was paying about 1300 a year, for their energy. so, household was paying about 1300 a year, fortheir energy. so, now, it is under the government's energy price guarantee, it is capped at
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£2500, if you use more, then average you will pay more but the cap means the average household will be paying about that much. if you take that cap away, the forecast is, that by next year it will be something like 4,00 next year it will be something like 11,00 pounds a year, so that is an extra. and many will find it difficult to afford. what we conclude from this is thatjeremy hunt has acted in the way he did for a reason, the energy price guarantee was supposed to be in place for two years and nobody knew how much that was going tost co—nobody knows how high international gas prices are going to go, and therefore nobody knows how much the government is going to have to step in to provide, so by stopping it at the end of winter, in april, the government saves a lot of money, but, lots of families are going to find their energy bills going up by a significant amount unless the government steps in with something else. that is what it seems the new
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chancellor is planning to do, he is planning to target help much more where it is needed. we don't know any of the detail, nothing has been revealed but there is the question where will that help stop? ho is going to end up paying more and who will find they are benefitting from continued government subsidies and that needs to be worked out. bud continued government subsidies and that needs to be worked out. and you can centre. — that needs to be worked out. and you can centre. a — that needs to be worked out. and you can centre, a business _ that needs to be worked out. and you can centre, a business owner - that needs to be worked out. and you can centre, a business owner going i can centre, a business owner going don't forget about businesses, we talk about families and households and individuals but businesses are hit too as we have discussed. that is in fact significant _ hit too as we have discussed. twat is in fact significant but the thing for businesses is they have only ever been offered help until the spring, the business plan, at the moment, only goes that far, so again, given that most analysts expect disruption in the energy markets to continue, notjust through the summer but into next winter as well. there will be a need for more subs dis for households and businesses and that is the challenge forjeremy hunt, the new chancellor will have to find a way of both
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appeasing investors and suggesting that the government is not overspending, not spending beyond its means but at the same time providing a minimum level of support so households can afford the heat their homes and businesses aren't pushed out of business by rapidly rising energy bills. thank you for now. we will talk more about the energy issue after half past, just a reminder now of the headlines here. the new chancellor has told ministers that spending cuts are on the way, and their budgets will need to be reduced. (00v)the trades union congress says uk families are at breaking point — the trades union congress says uk families are at breaking point — as the country experiences the longest squeeze on real wages since the 1800s. ukraine's president says nearly a third of his country's power stations have now been destroyed, after another round of russian air strikes on energy facilities.
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there's been another round of russian air strikes on ukraine's energy facilities — president zelensky says nearly a third of the country's power stations have been destroyed. our ukraine correspondent, hugo bachega, sent this report. another morning in ukraine, another power station targeted by russia. this one in kyiv was hit by missiles at around 9.00 today. to the west, zhytomyr was struck. the governor said an energy facility was hit. for hours, the entire city was without power and water. this is how russia is responding to military defeats on the battlefield. the recent strikes have destroyed a third of the country's energy infrastructure,
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according to president zelensky. yesterday, the offices of the energy company and this residential building were hit. five people were killed here, including a pregnant woman. more and more civilian sites have been hit by russia in cities across the country, away from the front lines. attacks like this shake people's perception of relative safety but they seem to be destroy this country's critical energy infrastructure ahead of winter. so what can ukrainians do? this family has lost almost everything in the war, and is concerned about losing even more. translation: of course we are worried. - we worry for our children because they are afraid of the dark. it is difficult to explain to them what's happening. ukrainians have been told to do their part by saving electricity, but russia's targeted attacks are likely to continue.
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there's been concern over the whereabouts of an iranian athlete, who competed internationally without covering her hair. elnaz rekabi took part in a climbing competition in south korea and videos of her climbing without a headscarf went viral. sources had told the bbc her phone and passport had been confiscated and that her wherabouts were unknown. iran now says she is on her way home and has strongly denied what it calls fake news. iran is currently suppressing women's rights protests over forced hijab wearing, that have swept the country. earlier today, a post appeared on elnaz rekabi's instagram account in which she apologises for any concern she has caused,
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adding that she did not wear the hijab due to a "malfunction" and that she is on her way back to iran. the bbc persian service's rana rahimpour has more. in an act of defiance against the rules of the islamic republic of iran she competed without hijab or the compulsory headscarf which was a very bold move, the video of the competition quickly became viral, many iranian protestors called her a hero of the people, and they were planning to visit her at the airportments the flight was meant to arrive tomorrow morning, but we yesterday found out that she had gone missing for a couple of hours, family and friends couldn't reach her and then we found out she was put on a flight by iranian officials, her passport and phone was confiscated so she was being taken back to iran earlier than intended. in the meantime she has written a story on her instagram on which she has apologised for causing
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concerns and she said the removal of her was the hijab was a mistake which has created more concerns because it looks like she is under a lot of pressure. and all of this, of course, part of the wider picture we are seen, extraordinary bravery in recent week, the protests, and a situation that continue, some protests that continue. , ., continue. exactly so we are in the fifth week of _ continue. exactly so we are in the fifth week of anti-regime - continue. exactly so we are in the | fifth week of anti-regime protests fifth week of anti—regime protests in iran which started as a protest against compulsory hijab and many believe that it was in solidarity of what was going on in iran, many people have been killed, over 200 people have been killed, over 200 people according to human rights organisations have been killed, thousands are in prison and the protests continue. it started as protests continue. it started as protest against compulsory hijab but it is an ain't regime protest. —— anti—. the general secretary of the trades union congress has
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called for a general election in a scathing attack on the government. addressing herfinal annual meeting before stepping down, frances o'grady pledged more strike action across the country — and said workers shouldn't have to pay the price for the government's mess. our employment correspondent zoe conway reports. tuc, get off your knees! at the tuc in brighton there is anger, anger about pay not keeping up with inflation, and there is fury at the government. this month hundreds of thousands of public sector workers are being balloted on whether they want to strike. if ministers and employers keep hammering pay packets at the same rate, uk workers are on course to suffer two decades, 20 years, of lost living standards. over the next three years alone, real earnings are set to fall by another £11000.
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wilma will be voting to join a picket line in scotland. she has been a nurse for 35 years. people, because of covid, are absolutely exhausted, suffering from ptsd, they are demoralised and theyjust can't be taken for granted any more, and that has made them really, really angry. we won't be worried about people coming out on strike, we are worried about how we keep them in, because they are so angry. she says here colleagues are struggling to survive on their pay. a health care support worker who works in the community with elderly patients between community and hospital has told me she is not putting her heating on this year because she can't afford to heat and eat. she lives with her partner and they have bought extra blankets, two hot water bottles each, that is how they'll keep warm this year. helen has been a teacherfor 20 years and will also vote to strike. teachers have seen their pay drop
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in value enormously. every year we are taking another cut, cut, cut. the 5% on offer at the moment is yet another cut in real terms. tomorrow unions are expected to vote to coordinate any strike action. this winter could see the greatest industrial action in a decade. some union leaders predict a million workers will walk out. up to 30 former uk military pilots are thought to have travelled to china to train members of the chinese military. the ministry of defence says the practice isn't illegal, but it is trying to deter pilots from taking part. the pilots are often offered large amounts of money to share their knowledge. our security correspondent gordon corera has more. has caused amaze. that these former
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retired british military pilots have gone china to train the chinese military, but it is not illegal, so this happens to intermediaries, it started with a few cases about three years ago, slowed down with the pandemic but it has been increasing, and that has caused alarm in the ministry of defence and they are being offered large packages, $270,000 to off to china to do the train but the problem for the ministry of defence is it is not illegal they are not breaching the official secrets act which has surprised some. so we is have had this unusual public alert about this activity which is designed to embarrass and deter those who might be out there, but also, stop anyone else who might be thinking about it because in the current military, because in the current military, because they are being approached we understand, with similar packages after they retire, would that be interested in doing this? the concern is could pose a threat to uk security, even if they are not
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providing secret, if they are given an understanding of the tactics of fastjets an understanding of the tactics of fast jets and an understanding of the tactics of fastjets and helicopters that could be useful to china, which i think is increasingly seen as an adversary so we have had this warning, the government is saying a national security bill currently going through parliament may also introduce new power which could help stop this kind of activity as well. the two officers is involved. we have in report. hgppy we have in report. happy birthday. a1—year—old, known to his friends and family as deji, seen her celebrating his birthday.
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the son, brother and uncle was in the prime of his life. he died shortly after being tasered multiple times injune, a passer by filmed the incident. shortly after these scenes on chelsea bridge, he fell into the river. the metropolitan police claimed they had been called out to reports of a man articled with a screwdriver. but in these images there is no screwdriver. it later emerged the man had actually been holding a lighter. the family is concerned about this issue, that each time we think of, the people, the met police officer, they did this to our beloved son, is still allowed to be continue with their normal dayjob, as if they haven't done anything wrong. normal day job, as if they haven't done anything wrong.— done anything wrong. today the famil is
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done anything wrong. today the family is beginning _ done anything wrong. today the family is beginning legal - done anything wrong. today the family is beginning legal actionl family is beginning legal action against the independent office for split conduct. they are challenging the iopc's split conduct. they are challenging the iopc�*s decision not to hold a criminal investigation into his death which they believe was unlawful and irrational. lt death which they believe was unlawful and irrational. it was a human being — unlawful and irrational. it was a human being that _ unlawful and irrational. it was a human being that was - unlawful and irrational. it was a human being that was treated l unlawful and irrational. it was a | human being that was treated in unlawful and irrational. it was a i human being that was treated in a very inhumane manner. we strongly feel, i strongly feel that, you know, police officers cannot continue to be, to conduct themselves without immunity. and the iopc, the met commissioner, they have a responsibility to restore our trust and the public�*s trust. we cannot continue to experience unjust killing of our black men in our community. the unjust killing of our black men in our community.— our community. the legal action comesiust _ our community. the legal action comesiust a _ our community. the legal action comesjust a day _ our community. the legal action comesjust a day after _ our community. the legal action comesjust a day after the - our community. the legal action i comesjust a day after the damning comes just a day after the damning findings highlighted in a report detailing serious misconduct with the metropolitan police. the interim case review has _ the metropolitan police. the interim case review has shown _ the metropolitan police. the interim case review has shown that - the metropolitan police. the interim case review has shown that if - the metropolitan police. the interim case review has shown that if within | case review has shown that if within the police force that you know,
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there are officers who, who have behaved illegally, and that is not being changed. lh a behaved illegally, and that is not being changed-— behaved illegally, and that is not being changed. in a statement the iopc said being changed. in a statement the iopc said its _ being changed. in a statement the iopc said its thoughts _ being changed. in a statement the iopc said its thoughts and - iopc said its thoughts and sympathies remain with the family and friends of the man. but says at this stage, it has no indication that any of the officers involved may have breached police professional standards, or committed a criminal offence. more coming up in the next half hour, we will talk more about energy bills and about the state of british politics, we will talk about the mercury prize as well. right now we will catch up with the weather, they come from ben. thank you, good evening to you, it has not been bad day, we have seen plenty of autumn sunshine out there but things have started to change down towards the south—west of the uk, we have had areas of cloud elsewhere but it is this cloud gathering to the south—west that i
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really want to focus on, because this is going to start to bring showers and thunderstorms northward as we go through tonight, across the south—west, into wales, some showers getting into northern ireland as well. stays mainly dry elsewhere, not quite as cold as it was last night. in fact very mild indeed in the south—west corner here will start with shower, drifting northwards, wales and northern ireland, maybe into southern scotland. north east scotland and north east england holding on to a lot of cloud and the odd spot of drizzle. best of any sunshine to be found in the midland and eastern england, it will be windy, particularly lound western coast, warm in the south. 22 for the channel islands, much colder in the north of scotland. we head to the end of the week, further showers and longer spells of rain. there will be spells of sunshine as well and if you get sunshine it will feel unusually warm for the time of year.
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hello, this is bbc news. the headlines: the new chancellor has told ministers that spending cuts are on the way. and their budgets will need to be reduced. jeremy hunt and liz truss have been meeting the cabinet after he tore up most of the mini budget yesterday. the trade union congress says uk families are at breaking point as the country experiences the longest squeeze on view wages since the 1800s. ukraine's president said nearly one third of his country's power have now been destro ed stations have now been destroyed after another round of russian on energy facilities. fears are growing female iranian athletes who competed in a climbing competition without wearing a hijab. herfamily say
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in a climbing competition without wearing a hijab. her family say they have lost contact with her. sport centre. good evening. liverpool managerjurgen klopp has been charged by the fa after he was sent off during their premier league win over manchester city on sunday. he was shown a red card for shouting at an assistant referee at anfield in protest at the referee's decision not to give a foul for his side. and it came on a weekend when merseyside youth league games were postponed in response to issues with match officials being abused. klopp has now twice said he isn't happy with how he behaved. but it was one incident among many on a fractious afternoon which highlighted the growing animosity between his team and city. i still think i should have dealt differently with the situation which actually do, usually. as i explained
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after the game, in this moment you bring me in this mood, no chance. but the whole game led to that, may become a little bit, the way it went, the way it was a very, very intense game with a lot of decisions managers did not understand on both sides. managers did not understand on both sides. meanwhile, klopp also revealed portugalforward diogojota has been ruled out of the world cup. he suffered a calf injury towards the end of that match against manchester city. and his manager's called it �*pretty serious�*. british gymnastics say they'll have "zero tolerance for abuse" and plan to put athlete welfare ahead of winning medals as they respond to a review which detailed "systemic" issues of physical, emotional and sexual abuse in the sport. they say they will "break the cycle of poor past practice" and institute reforms including naming coaches that have been banned for life. you will see it in the reform plan we have committed to publishing the
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banning of coaches and reporting this on our website and we will inform our members so that they are aware of any coaches who have been banned. they were not a pg membership and they will not be able to coach within british gymnastics. the report today is in response to the whyte review published in june that detailed a series of abuses, and since when there have been calls for the governing body to deal with the outstanding legal claims. there are 38 gymnasts in our legal claim and anyone has had the legal case results over many of the gymnasts, the delays are causing ongoing anxiety and mental health issues. we would really: british gymnastics to make sure they speed up gymnastics to make sure they speed up the processing of these claims so that we will get a resolution as quickly as possible and we can move forward to much more positive vetting to help deliver the change that british gymnastics is saying they would like to achieve. wales captain dan biggar has been ruled out of their autumn international series with injury. biggar hurt his knee the weekend before last.
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and hasn't been included in the 35 man squad announced today by coach wayne pivac. who hasn't yet named a replacement skipper. five new players have been called up for the matches against new zealand. argentina and georgia. england head coach shaun wane says there's much for his team to improve upon, despite scoring 10 tries in their 60—6 victory in their rugby league world cup opener against samoa. the hosts face france in bolton on saturday, with wane confirming he'll give a chance to all seven players who didn't feature against samoa. it was very different, you know, because, you look at the players i didn't pick and they're all invalid good form. it wasn't easy conversation when i told them they were not playing and so want to see them and see if our performance can improve. them and see if our performance can imrove. , .,, , improve. only foster will be with ou for improve. only foster will be with you for sports — improve. only foster will be with you for sports day _ improve. only foster will be with you for sports day at _ improve. only foster will be with you for sports day at 6:30pm. i improve. only foster will be with i you for sports day at 6:30pm. more
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on all of those stories but that is it from me for now. thank you. thoughts are turning to tomorrow's prime minister's question time where the labour leader, keir starmer gets chance to quizz liz truss after her apology over her mini—budget and the appointment ofjeremy hunt as chancellor. many see him as the de—factor prime minister after he ripped up virtually all her economics plans that led to a run on the pound, and increases of hundred of pounds in mortgage rates in the future. tom hamilton is a former labour adviser. he co—authored a book called an insider's guide to prime minister's questions. welcome, tom. let's talk to peter who is a former special adviser to the conservative government ministers and he is now the political editor of talk radio. gentlemen, even into both of you.
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peter, i will continue for us because my goodness, how big is the challenge facing liz truss tomorrow? it is a challenge and i think this is really make or break for her. a lot of parliamentarians will be waiting to see just how she responds to keir starmer. it's overly brutal direct approach to her new chancellorjeremy hunt through chancellor jeremy hunt through rachel chancellorjeremy hunt through rachel reeves where she responded to him yesterday when liz truss were sitting there mute. now we will hear from her but i think the most devastating thing that cure stomach do simply ask very basic questions, not make it about him but make it about her responses. even a really simple question such as why did you suck the chancellor and why not you too, it is your economic plan? i'm sure that something that cure stomach prospect people are formulating at the moment the liz truss will have to come out fighting. you have to show herself to be human. she said she has made mistakes and interviews including the bbc but this is going to be a very, very difficult thing for her
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to do tomorrow.— very, very difficult thing for her to do tomorrow. while. lots to talk about there- _ to do tomorrow. while. lots to talk about there. tom, _ to do tomorrow. while. lots to talk about there. tom, you _ to do tomorrow. while. lots to talk about there. tom, you are - to do tomorrow. while. lots to talk about there. tom, you are nodding| to do tomorrow. while. lots to talk. about there. tom, you are nodding to about there. tom, you are nodding to a lot of that. keep it simple is peter's take on it. what do you think people behind—the—scenes, people around keir starmer are going to be saying tonight about how he approaches that? l to be saying tonight about how he approaches that?— approaches that? i think that is basically right _ approaches that? i think that is basically right in _ approaches that? i think that is basically right in the _ approaches that? i think that is basically right in the simple i basically right in the simple questions are the really hard ones and we _ questions are the really hard ones and we can— questions are the really hard ones and we can all think about them. peter_ and we can all think about them. peter suggested some good ones. one of the _ peter suggested some good ones. one of the unusual issues is all of us can think— of the unusual issues is all of us can think of— of the unusual issues is all of us can think of is of five or six more and often — can think of is of five or six more and often that is not the way it is in the _ and often that is not the way it is in the opposition office. there is an abundance of riches for the opposition but there is a slight risk that, — opposition but there is a slight risk that, whenever anyone thinks that the _ risk that, whenever anyone thinks that the leader of the opposition has an— that the leader of the opposition has an open goal that pm to use it is often _ has an open goal that pm to use it is often harder than you think. there — is often harder than you think. there have _ is often harder than you think. there have been lots of occasions where _ there have been lots of occasions where the — there have been lots of occasions where the leader has not done so well on _ where the leader has not done so well on those occasions. i find it hard _ well on those occasions. i find it hard to— well on those occasions. i find it hard to see _ well on those occasions. i find it hard to see a way in which liz truss does _ hard to see a way in which liz truss does particularly well tomorrow both because _ does particularly well tomorrow both
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because of— does particularly well tomorrow both because of the really tough hand that she — because of the really tough hand that she has dealt herself, frankly, but also _ that she has dealt herself, frankly, but also because the way that she performs— but also because the way that she performs at p and q but also because the way that she performs at p and 0 over the last five or— performs at p and 0 over the last five or six— performs at p and 0 over the last five or six weeks, how long she has been _ five or six weeks, how long she has been prime — five or six weeks, how long she has been prime minister, she has not performed — been prime minister, she has not performed very well. last week, for example. _ performed very well. last week, for example, she gave the same answer in response _ example, she gave the same answer in response to _ example, she gave the same answer in response to questions which was not a great _ response to questions which was not a great ounce the first time it was worth— a great ounce the first time it was worth a _ a great ounce the first time it was worth a second time. she will have to battle _ worth a second time. she will have to battle lines and chat than better in terms _ to battle lines and chat than better in terms of — to battle lines and chat than better in terms of defending yourself against — in terms of defending yourself against the various attacks that keir starmer without her and having attacks _ keir starmer without her and having attacks to _ keir starmer without her and having attacks to throw back. and all the evidence — attacks to throw back. and all the evidence so far is that is not something she finds very easy. and bill struck something she finds very easy. ch billy struck by what you said right at the beginning. you said this was make or break for her tomorrow. do you mean it could be that fundamental? if she performs badly, she could be out of number ten within days? is that what you were driving at? within days? is that what you were drivin: at? , ., , within days? is that what you were drivin: at? , . , ., driving at? yes, i was driving at that and i— driving at? yes, i was driving at that and i think _ driving at? yes, i was driving at that and i think there _ driving at? yes, i was driving at that and i think there will- driving at? yes, i was driving at that and i think there will be i driving at? yes, i was driving at that and i think there will be a l that and i think there will be a number of people who want to give jeremy hunt the chance to get to the
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sist jeremy hunt the chance to get to the 31st to see what packages there. the problem for the conservatives as there is no unity or a unity candidate and that is the main issue keeping liz truss in number ten at the moment but certainly, i was in parliament this afternoon and there is a very sad atmosphere that a lot of mps are saying, you know, she has got to go and it is got to happen soon. some have been public. five mps have said that but private they have not spoken to a single mp, and i spoke to a of them this afternoon, he says she must stay.— i spoke to a of them this afternoon, he says she must stay. while. there will be, presumably, _ he says she must stay. while. there will be, presumably, peter, - he says she must stay. while. there will be, presumably, peter, some i will be, presumably, peter, some basic responses that she absolutely can prepare in advance. she's going to be asked, why did you sack the chancellor because most of those policies were your ideas are certainlyjoint ideas? the policies were your ideas are certainly joint ideas? certainly “oint ideas? the secondary bit of certainly joint ideas? the secondary bit of that, if— certainly joint ideas? the secondary bit of that, if you _ certainly joint ideas? the secondary bit of that, if you are _ certainly joint ideas? the secondary bit of that, if you are in _ certainly joint ideas? the secondary bit of that, if you are in lockstep i bit of that, if you are in lockstep with him and she is the word lockstep in terms of that economic plan, that is something that they
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had written a book about ten years ago this idea, now she is lockstep withjeremy hunt, the contradiction between those two are very difficult and keir starmer will certainly ask about that. i think your starmer needs to bring it back and so does liz truss, actually, maybe this is her secret weapon, liz truss, actually, maybe this is hersecret weapon, dipping liz truss, actually, maybe this is her secret weapon, dipping back to real people in the country who are not worried about faceless and nameless conservative mps most of whom they couldn't identify in a police line—up and the backstabbing of liz truss and really the question about energy bills and the fact that there is some certainty for six months but there won't be for two years. that is the u—turn i would worry most about if i was liz truss because that is what affects most people in this country rather than the entire imaginations of westminster which can be entertaining. in prime ministers question time as part of that most people only see one clip on the news tomorrow. they won't watch the whole thing and if you can find indeed if cure stomach and find one
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particularly good line that really defines prime ministers question time well, then, i think that person will win and that person will get the clip on the six o'clock and ten o'clock news and that is something that will be to their credit and help them advance politically. do ou help them advance politically. do you feel that is an accurate summary. you've written a book about this, for goodness' sake. this is what it is all about, it is not necessarily like that every week but tomorrow is different.— tomorrow is different. yeah, that is ri . ht. and tomorrow is different. yeah, that is right- and it — tomorrow is different. yeah, that is right- and it is _ tomorrow is different. yeah, that is right. and it is quite _ tomorrow is different. yeah, that is right. and it is quite hard _ tomorrow is different. yeah, that is right. and it is quite hard to... i right. and it is quite hard to... normally. _ right. and it is quite hard to... normally. it— right. and it is quite hard to... normally, it is a question which one wins in _ normally, it is a question which one wins in which — normally, it is a question which one wins in which one loses. it is very hard _ wins in which one loses. it is very hard to— wins in which one loses. it is very hard to see — wins in which one loses. it is very hard to see a _ wins in which one loses. it is very hard to see a way in which liz truss comes— hard to see a way in which liz truss comes out— hard to see a way in which liz truss comes out of— hard to see a way in which liz truss comes out of it really well because she has— comes out of it really well because she has already lost. if you think about— she has already lost. if you think about the — she has already lost. if you think about the fact that she has taken one economic strategy, she has been forced _ one economic strategy, she has been forced to— one economic strategy, she has been forced to abandon it. she sacked the chanceltor— forced to abandon it. she sacked the chancellor and replaced in the some one else's _ chancellor and replaced in the some one else's at the opposite. some of the things— one else's at the opposite. some of the things she said last week about the things she said last week about the energy plan. she attacked labour last week— the energy plan. she attacked labour last week for the fact that labour had said — last week for the fact that labour had said it — last week for the fact that labour had said it should last for six
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months _ had said it should last for six months where she was doing it for two years— months where she was doing it for two years and now houses only lasting — two years and now houses only lasting six _ two years and now houses only lasting six months. it is hard to think— lasting six months. it is hard to think of— lasting six months. it is hard to think of any form of words that can -et think of any form of words that can get her_ think of any form of words that can get her out — think of any form of words that can get her out of the hole that she is in. get her out of the hole that she is in there — get her out of the hole that she is in. there are mistakes that cure stomach— in. there are mistakes that cure stomach could make and maybe he will make them _ stomach could make and maybe he will make them but it is really hard to see what — make them but it is really hard to see what she can do the fact that her position is that she is already you turned — her position is that she is already you turned on the fundamental reason why she _ you turned on the fundamental reason why she was _ you turned on the fundamental reason why she was put in place. she is now the fun— why she was put in place. she is now the fun person for a policy she does not believe — the fun person for a policy she does not believe in and she is not even a very good _ not believe in and she is not even a very good fun person. that is a terrible — very good fun person. that is a terrible position to be in as prime minister~ — terrible position to be in as prime minister. ., ., terrible position to be in as prime minister. ., ,, , ., ., terrible position to be in as prime minister. ., ,, ., minister. thank you both for your insiaht. minister. thank you both for your insight- we _ minister. thank you both for your insight. we will— minister. thank you both for your insight. we will see _ minister. thank you both for your insight. we will see what - minister. thank you both for your | insight. we will see what emerges next day tomorrow. thank you very much indeed. the new chancellor's plans include ending the energy price guarantee early — in april. the resolution foundation, the think tank focused on improving living standards for low and middle income households, says even people
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on medium incomes may be unable to pay their electricity and gas bills next year. joining us now for more on this story is the independent energy analyst and managing director of london energy consulting, david cox. good evening to you. the resolution foundation comments and analysis is really alarming. to go along with it? , , , ' . really alarming. to go along with it? , , , , . ., , it? id. it is very difficult to see how people — it? id. it is very difficult to see how people of _ it? id. it is very difficult to see how people of middle - it? id. it is very difficult to see how people of middle income, | how people of middle income, whatever you want to call them, can afford £5,000 a yearfor an whatever you want to call them, can afford £5,000 a year for an average bill and that is simply an average bill and that is simply an average bill if you use more energy could even be more. so we've gone from a period of a two—year guarantee that prices would not go above two and a half thousand pounds for the off gem price cut for the average bill for one that people have security through the winter, if they can afford to pay their bills which are
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still two or three times what they were a year ago but want to get to april next year they are facing a cliff where we don't know what is going to happen. bills could, price cap could be removed and a means tested way and targeted help could go to the poorer sections of the community. that is a very worrying time, i think, for most consumers. some suggestion that thereafter, once we get beyond april, they could be targeted help. do we have any sense of what that might be? what is your assessment? the sense of what that might be? what is your assessment?— your assessment? the problem of tarteted your assessment? the problem of targeted help _ your assessment? the problem of targeted help as _ your assessment? the problem of targeted help as it _ your assessment? the problem of targeted help as it costs _ your assessment? the problem of targeted help as it costs money i your assessment? the problem of i targeted help as it costs money and it is systems and it is mean testing and it is difficult. the benefit of and it is difficult. the benefit of a universal benefit which is what the government originally proposed in two years price cap for every one was that it is simple and knows where they are and does not cost anything to administer other than
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the that the energy companies have to put in place for everyone but once you start to start to try target help you have got to go through the benefit system and so on and you've got to try to make sure that people who are they deserve the money get the money and people, as i say, people on middle income are going to struggle, i think, to pay £5,000 a yearfor the going to struggle, i think, to pay £5,000 a year for the average bill. to think were going to see more of a push and more information about how to use energy in the most efficient way you possibly can? no we want people to be cold but to try to think more strategically about energy use, insulation, although sorts of issues?— energy use, insulation, although sorts of issues? think insulation is a [on . er sorts of issues? think insulation is a longer term _ sorts of issues? think insulation is a longer term thing. _ sorts of issues? think insulation is a longer term thing. there's i sorts of issues? think insulation is a longer term thing. there's not i a longer term thing. there's not much we can do by this winter tivoli help with installation but we certainly need long—term programmes to improve our insulation of all our housing stock. the old —looking housing stock. the old —looking housing stock. the old —looking housing stock that we have. going
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back to avoiding things like blackouts and this is a serious problem as well, is i think the government could help with information campaigns to try to encourage people to use less energy during peak times, less gas and electricity as we move into the colder parts of the winter. because, if we do that, we all benefit, not in the consumer benefit by saving money on their bills, but we possibly avoid blackouts which, i think, if we have a very cold winter, we are facing serious problems and national grid have confirmed that, that we may face blackouts. in the cost of these information campaigns as peanuts, compared with the damage to the economy that we will see if we are widespread blackouts this coming winter. ., widespread blackouts this coming winter. . ., ., winter. thanks for your time for now. winter. thanks for your time for now- you _ winter. thanks for your time for now- you may _ winter. thanks for your time for now. you may well— winter. thanks for your time for now. you may well be - winter. thanks for your time for now. you may well be talking i winter. thanks for your time for i now. you may well be talking again. the time i was 13 minutes to six.
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let us turn our attention to the mercury prize. later tonight here in london, the mercury prize ceremony will take place — recognising the best of uk and irish music. the ceremony was postponed due to the queen's death. nominated artists include little simz, self—esteem and harry styles. joining me now from the red carpet is our entertainment correspondent lizo mzimba. hejoins me with he joins me with some on hejoins me with some on his he joins me with some on his wedding already, very excited. what is in store france tonight? in the mag well, we've been seeing lots of the nominees coming through. they will be performing in the ceremony later on at apollo but i'm joined by one of the nominated acts. so, what is it like being nominated for your debut album? you've hit the jackpot first time out. debut album? you've hit the “ackpot first time out.— first time out. yeah, 'ust like...
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it is first time out. yeah, 'ust like... it is very — first time out. yeah, 'ust like... it is very mart. h first time out. yeah, 'ust like... it is very mad, it i first time out. yeah, 'ust like... it is very mad, it is i first time out. yeah, just like... it is very mad, it is very - it is very mad, it is very unexpected. it started the band just in the hope that we could go to few festivals in the summer so we got a bit more than we bargained for. th bit more than we bargained for. in what was your reaction when you first heard? t what was your reaction when you first heard?— what was your reaction when you first heard? ~' , what was your reaction when you first heard? ~' ._ , ., first heard? i think we were maybe a bit speechless _ first heard? i think we were maybe a bit speechless or, _ first heard? i think we were maybe a bit speechless or, like, _ first heard? i think we were maybe a bit speechless or, like, in _ first heard? i think we were maybe a bit speechless or, like, in denial, i bit speechless or, like, in denial, you know? — bit speechless or, like, in denial, you know? it is very strange. but --eole you know? it is very strange. but people who _ you know? it is very strange. ewt people who have not had a lot of your music, how would you describe your music, how would you describe your style? your music, how would you describe yourstyle? is your music, how would you describe your style? is it possible to put it into one genre place? t your style? is it possible to put it into one genre place?— your style? is it possible to put it into one genre place? i mean, when m mum into one genre place? i mean, when my mum asks _ into one genre place? i mean, when my mum asks me — into one genre place? i mean, when my mum asks me i'm _ into one genre place? i mean, when my mum asks me i'm just _ into one genre place? i mean, when my mum asks me i'mjust like, i into one genre place? i mean, when my mum asks me i'mjust like, it i into one genre place? i mean, when my mum asks me i'mjust like, it is| my mum asks me i'm just like, it is indie rock, i guess, which is quite a broad term, yeah. brute indie rock, i guess, which is quite a broad term, yeah.— indie rock, i guess, which is quite a broad term, yeah. we don't want to box ourselves — a broad term, yeah. we don't want to box ourselves in, _ a broad term, yeah. we don't want to box ourselves in, i— a broad term, yeah. we don't want to box ourselves in, i guess. _ a broad term, yeah. we don't want to box ourselves in, i guess. read i a broad term, yeah. we don't want to box ourselves in, i guess. read of i box ourselves in, i guess. read of the inspirations _ box ourselves in, i guess. read of the inspirations come _ box ourselves in, i guess. read of the inspirations come from - box ourselves in, i guess. read of the inspirations come from for- box ourselves in, i guess. read of| the inspirations come from for this album? is it a whole a wide variety of stuff? ., album? is it a whole a wide variety of stuff? . , , ., ., of stuff? yeah, i guess, our own life experience _ of stuff? yeah, i guess, our own life experience and _ of stuff? yeah, i guess, our own life experience and how- of stuff? yeah, i guess, our own life experience and how we i of stuff? yeah, i guess, our own life experience and how we are l life experience and how we are experiencing the world right now,
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yeah. experiencing the world right now, eah. �* , ., ., , experiencing the world right now, eah. ., experiencing the world right now, eah. yeah. and you met many years ago on the isle of yeah. and you met many years ago on the isle of wight. _ yeah. and you met many years ago on the isle of wight, both _ yeah. and you met many years ago on the isle of wight, both fascinated i the isle of wight, both fascinated by music. what was that first meeting like? did you think actually, we're going to create something special or was itjust we are better than to understand each other? t are better than to understand each other? ., are better than to understand each other? ,, ., , are better than to understand each other? ., ., , ., , are better than to understand each other? ,, . , ,, , other? i think it was like first day of school so _ other? i think it was like first day of school so we _ other? i think it was like first day of school so we were _ other? i think it was like first day of school so we were probably, i other? i think it was like first day i of school so we were probably, like, a bit nervous — of school so we were probably, like, a bit nervous to begin with but, yeah. _ a bit nervous to begin with but, yeah. it — a bit nervous to begin with but, yeah. it is — a bit nervous to begin with but, yeah, it is really nice that, ten years— yeah, it is really nice that, ten years later, _ yeah, it is really nice that, ten years later, we are still doing music — years later, we are still doing music. ., �* ., years later, we are still doing music. . . ,, ., ., ., music. yeah. and, like a model of the bo s music. yeah. and, like a model of the boys narrowband _ music. yeah. and, like a model of the boys narrowband as _ music. yeah. and, like a model of the boys narrowband as well, i music. yeah. and, like a model of the boys narrowband as well, we i music. yeah. and, like a model of. the boys narrowband as well, we all met at the same time so we will and we were like 16. 17. so, yeah.- we were like 16. 17. so, yeah. thank ou so we were like 16. 17. so, yeah. thank you so much — we were like 16. 17. so, yeah. thank you so much for— we were like 16. 17. so, yeah. thank you so much for talking _ we were like 16. 17. so, yeah. thank you so much for talking to _ we were like 16. 17. so, yeah. thank you so much for talking to us. i we were like 16. 17. so, yeah. thank you so much for talking to us. best. you so much for talking to us. best of luck tonight and we'll be talking to more nominees later wannabe talking to the winner very late on, about 10:25pm tonight. thank you very much. keeping suffered eight at
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the mercury prize ceremony. are going to talk about glastonbury. festivalgoers will be charged £335 plus a £5 booking fee for standard tickets including a £50, maturities including, but with a £50 deposit. in 2019, tickets cost £265. organisers say the increase is because of the coded pandemic on the rise in the cost of simply putting the festival on. let's talk to one man who, i'm tempted to call a glastonbury superfan man who, i'm tempted to call a glastonbury super fan after a bad all about you. welcome to the programme. you been to every glastonbury since the late 80s, apparently. glastonbury since the late 80s, apparently-— glastonbury since the late 80s, i apparently._ welcome to apparently. yeah, 1989. welcome to bbc news. does _ apparently. yeah, 1989. welcome to bbc news. does this _ apparently. yeah, 1989. welcome to bbc news. does this price _ apparently. yeah, 1989. welcome to bbc news. does this price rise i apparently. yeah, 1989. welcome to bbc news. does this price rise put i bbc news. does this price rise put you off in any way? ht bbc news. does this price rise put you off in any way?— you off in any way? it doesn't put me off. i volunteered _ you off in any way? it doesn't put me off. i volunteered and - you off in any way? it doesn't put me off. i volunteered and as i i
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you off in any way? it doesn't put l me off. i volunteered and as i don't have to pay to get in but lots of my friends were going, i help them out to get tickets on the ticket day. none of them have said, we are not going. and people i've spoken to via facebook and things like that, nobody has said, no, that is it, i'm not going to make it so, yeah. 50. not going to make it so, yeah. so, most ou not going to make it so, yeah. so, most you know — not going to make it so, yeah. so, most you know not put off. is it understandable, i think it is round about 20% increase of something like that. is it understandable? ht is that. is it understandable? it is understandable. _ that. is it understandable? wt 3 understandable. as all the subcontractors, the events team, their prices have gone up and millions goes to charities and more than ever, think the charities are reliant on that money, these days. a few extra pounds from each person to support the think is a thing. if look at are the big who are playing the big stadiums this you pay pounds, this year, y0u pay hundred pounds, 45129. that this year, you pay hundred pounds, 5.129. than this year, you pay hundred pounds, £17120, �*that i once this year, you pay hundred pounds, £129 three at i once you�*ve this year, you pay hundred pounds, £129 three as? main :e you�*ve glastonbury year almost in gig
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profit. t glastonbury year almost in gig trofit. ., glastonbury year almost in gig trofit. ~' , ., ~' ~' profit. i like your thinking. i like our profit. i like your thinking. i like yourthinking- — profit. i like your thinking. i like your thinking. and _ profit. i like your thinking. i like your thinking. and even - profit. i like your thinking. i like your thinking. and even got i profit. i like your thinking. i like i your thinking. and even got married there so do take it that you met your other half at glastonbury? ho. your other half at glastonbury? no. i met her your other half at glastonbury? firm i met her through sort of a band called frightened rabbit who we both loved and we met through that and then i did a big flash mob engagement at glastonbury and then came back via afterwards and got married so, yeah, it is a big part of my life. married so, yeah, it is a big part of my life-— married so, yeah, it is a big part of m life. ., , , ., �* ., of my life. clearly, yeah. and what is it, then, — of my life. clearly, yeah. and what is it, then, that _ of my life. clearly, yeah. and what is it, then, that draws _ of my life. clearly, yeah. and what is it, then, that draws you - of my life. clearly, yeah. and what is it, then, that draws you back i is it, then, that draws you back year after year after year? what is it about the spirit, the atmosphere, what keeps bringing you back? tt’s what keeps bringing you back? it's the what keeps bringing you back? ut�*s the whole camaraderie. once the gates closed behind it is just a different world. anything you could ever worry about is just gone. i volunteer there so i look after a team of amazing litter pickers who get up early doors, 6am every morning, the nape and drinking all night, so it is commitment. to be
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part of that team and of the infrastructure it is great to give something back but there is such a big demand for ticket because once people go once, you have to go back again. people go once, you have to go back atain. ., ., , again. you do litter picking as well, again. you do litter picking as well. bless — again. you do litter picking as well, bless you. _ again. you do litter picking as well, bless you. that - again. you do litter picking as well, bless you. that is i again. you do litter picking as well, bless you. that is take i again. you do litter picking as i well, bless you. that is take the job at glastonbury. good to talk to. thanks ever so much. thank you. we could talk more about that but sadly, time is against us. but really good to talk to you. every single glastonbury since 1989! four years ago, a 15—year—old greta thunberg went on strike from school in sweden — and began her own journey to global fame. the climate activist has sailed across the atlantic, scolded politicians, and raised awareness of environmental causes. now she's curated a manual about the key challenges confronting notjust the green movement but, in her view, all humanity. it's called the climate book, and our media editor amol rajan met her to discuss some of its key themes. she's become the unlikely
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voice of modern activism. greta thunberg is the swedish teenager whose school strike to raise awareness of climate change caught global attention. you have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words. so did her impassioned pleas in front of world leaders, and fans closer to home. when i say climate, you sayjustice. climate! justice! exactly. thank you so much, glastonbury. she has now created a book of essays written by her and over 100 experts by way of a toolkit for those concerned about climate change. i want to explore some of your views on some of these complex policy issues where you do have to make choices, and governments do have to make choices. i pretty much never go into specific things to talk about because that distracts from the crisis itself. for example, nuclear power. that is something that is being used a lot by people to distract
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because it is something that people feel so strongly about. but isn't it part of the mix of a green agenda? if we were to build and replace our current fossil fuel generated energy with nuclear power, we don't have the time to do that because our c02 budget runs out in less than a decade at current emissions. would you ever go into politics? i don't want to. why? don't you feel an obligation, a duty? it feels like that world is so toxic. but also the main reason is that as it is now, the changes necessary will only come if there is enough public pressure from the outside. to what extent is it fair to describe you as an opponent of economic growth? i think that it's very naive to think that we can continue like now as business as usual, as economic growth is like today, that we can continue to expand and still stay in line with our emissions targets.
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so let me ask you a related question, which is to what extent would it be fair to describe you as an opponent of capitalism? i think that all ideologies, capitalism included, have failed. how can you say capitalism has failed when capitalism is one of the reasons that 850 million people are no longer living in absolute poverty in china? if we continue on the path that we are today, it will mean that we are wrecking our future living conditions and our life supporting systems will break down, which will mean increased poverty, which will mean that people slip back into poverty, it will mean more famine. you have used humour a lot on social media when you are trolled by world leaders, and you respond by trolling them back. i just think it's genuinely funny. i mean, the most powerful people in the world feel intimidated by teenagers. that is funny. it says more about them
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than it does about me. do you actually enjoy being the face of a global movement? it sounds like it comes with quite a lot of pressure. it was certainly not what i intended to do, and sometimes i can snap and say, like, if you think that all the hope in the world rests on burnt out teenagers' shoulders, i mean, that's not very good. greta, it's a real pleasure to chat to you. thank you so much for your time. thank you. and you can see the full version of amol rajan interviews: greta thunberg tonight; that's on bbc2 at 7.30pm, and afterwards on bbc iplayer.
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threatening to bring some showers. not too manyjust threatening to bring some showers. not too many just yet but we could well see heavy thundery ones breaking out into parts of wales, northern ireland as well. a lot of cloud for parts of northern and eastern scotland, north—east england and generally not as cold as it was last night. very mild and the far south—west. into tomorrow we see the showers drifting. some of them will be quite heavy. cloud hugging eastern parts. it will be quite windy, particularly for western coast. and for aberdeen. it stays unsettled, showers and longer spells of rain, often windy but feeling warm in any sunshine.
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today at six: the prime minister fights the prime ministerfights on the prime minister fights on as the prime ministerfights on as her future hangs in the balance, and the chancellor wants the cabinet spending cuts are coming. the cabinet gathered at downing street as the chancellor warned that the cuts and liz truss trying to bolster support for her leadership and regain authority. if the two of them work together and are a success, and i'm going to do everything i can to try and make sure that that is the case, then i think she will lead us into the next election. we are now having an open discussion about_ we are now having an open discussion about whether they are going to have about whether they are going to have a further_ about whether they are going to have a further change of prime minister, three _ a further change of prime minister, three prime — a further change of prime minister, three prime ministers in three years, — three prime ministers in three years. and _ three prime ministers in three years, and we can't go on like this shot_ years, and we can't go on like this shot in_ years, and we can't go on like this shot in the — years, and we can't go on like this shot in the public out. also on the programme: the family is raising concerns over maternity care at a hospital trust
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