we are main topic of conversation. we are going tojoin nikki campbell now, at radio five live. he has a studio on studio audience to answer some of those questions now. a lively debate this morning, we are joined by the news channel and are on bbc two. an amazing audience with all sorts of different dues but everybody does have a view on what is happening. to our country and in our country at the moment. what is it like living through this cost of living problem? some quality cost of living problem? some quality cost of living crisis. what is it like having to deal with it at the moment? good morning. tell me about your situation in life.— your situation in life. high, so, i have a daughter _ your situation in life. high, so, i have a daughter who _ your situation in life. high, so, i have a daughter who has - your situation in life. high, so, ij have a daughter who has down's have a daughter who has down�*s syndrome, we have made some changes, we have looked at our costs in the household and have had to make some changes, whetherfood, heating... we

can'tjust changes, whetherfood, heating... we can't just totally cut things out and change things there, we can't afford to have the heating off because she has a history of getting quite ill and things as well. but above that, one of the things that i do is volunteer with a charity we set up to help families with school uniform, and...— uniform, and... that is a big problem _ uniform, and... that is a big problem and _ uniform, and... that is a big problem and challenge - uniform, and... that is a big problem and challenge for. uniform, and... that is a big - problem and challenge for people at the moment. it is all about self esteem at school, being like your peers, isn't it? esteem at school, being like your peers. isn't it?— peers, isn't it? absolutely, and whether you — peers, isn't it? absolutely, and whether you miss _ peers, isn't it? absolutely, and whether you miss out _ peers, isn't it? absolutely, and whether you miss out on - peers, isn't it? absolutely, and - whether you miss out on education. when children are going back to school in september we had a family get in touch and it was actually the aunt of this child, and she contacted me and said could you help my niece? she has not been able to go back to school because her mum cannot afford her school uniform. she is missing out on her education, her mum has two younger children and struggles to get school uniform, she works, so to go back to the argument about people working, she works

hard, she could not afford the cost of the school uniform and as a result her daughter was missing out on her education. that is not right in ne, anyway is that right at all. wright and what about your son... your daughter? what is alike with the heat in the house and having to things warm? she has a history of pneumonia, she gets ill she goes downhill very quickly, and we know that keeping her warm just helps keep her safe. so we can'tjust say everyone put an extra jumper on, we have to make sure it is keeping warm as it goes into winter, through deny night it gets colder, we look at ways to keep her room warm even if we are not keeping the rest of the house warm. we are in the situation where we can manage with that, but we have had to make some adaptations. she gets dla, we obviously got the additional payment there, is not going to go a massive amount, but it did kind of help

towards those costs.— amount, but it did kind of help towards those costs. sorry i said son rather— towards those costs. sorry i said son rather than _ towards those costs. sorry i said son rather than daughter, - towards those costs. sorry i said son rather than daughter, but i towards those costs. sorry i said l son rather than daughter, but you put that out really well. how are you doing, welcome? i put that out really well. how are you doing, welcome?— put that out really well. how are you doing, welcome? i tend to... i've not you doing, welcome? i tend to... i've got a — you doing, welcome? i tend to... i've got a small _ you doing, welcome? i tend to... i've got a small heater— you doing, welcome? i tend to... i've got a small heater and - you doing, welcome? i tend to... i've got a small heater and i - you doing, welcome? i tend to... i've got a small heater and i tend j i've got a small heater and i tend to trails_ i've got a small heater and i tend to trails around whichever room go to, i cannot — to trails around whichever room go to, i cannot afford to put my heating _ to, i cannot afford to put my heating on. i live on £250 per month — heating on. i live on £250 per month. you know? when you you pay for broadband and then you've got food and _ for broadband and then you've got food and all the rest of it, it doesn't _ food and all the rest of it, it doesn't leave very much. i'm just very— doesn't leave very much. i'm just very lucky— doesn't leave very much. i'm just very lucky that i've got friends that will— very lucky that i've got friends that will take me out and make sure everything... sorry. is that will take me out and make sure everything... sorry.— everything... sorry. is all right. it's so tough — everything... sorry. is all right. it's so tough for _ everything... sorry. is all right. it's so tough for people - everything... sorry. is all right. it's so tough for people at - everything... sorry. is all right. it's so tough for people at the l it's so tough for people at the moment, i completely understand. you've got friends who are helping you. you can't be having... exactly.

it is 'ust you. you can't be having... exactly. it isiust not — you. you can't be having... exactly. it isjust not good _ you. you can't be having... exactly. it isjust not good enough. - you. you can't be having... exactly. it isjust not good enough. what - it isjust not good enough. what needs to happen, _ it isjust not good enough. what needs to happen, what - it isjust not good enough. what needs to happen, what needs to changeit? needs to happen, what needs to chanaeit? ,., needs to happen, what needs to chanaeit? , , changeit? the government, basically. at the end of — changeit? the government, basically. at the end of the _ changeit? the government, basically. at the end of the day, _ changeit? the government, basically. at the end of the day, what _ changeit? the government, basically. at the end of the day, what are - changeit? the government, basically. at the end of the day, what are we . at the end of the day, what are we sopposed — at the end of the day, what are we supposed to do? how are we supposed to do? _ supposed to do? how are we supposed to do? i_ supposed to do? how are we supposed to do? i don't have any children, to do? idon't have any children, thank— to do? i don't have any children, thank goodness, god knows what i'd be doing _ thank goodness, god knows what i'd be doing if— thank goodness, god knows what i'd be doing if it was up to having to clothe _ be doing if it was up to having to clothe and — be doing if it was up to having to clothe and feed a child. i would not be able _ clothe and feed a child. i would not be able to— clothe and feed a child. i would not be able to do it. can clothe and feed a child. i would not be able to do it.— be able to do it. can i ask your politics? _ be able to do it. can i ask your politics? i _ be able to do it. can i ask your politics? i voted _ be able to do it. can i ask your politics? i voted for— be able to do it. can i ask your politics? i voted for boris - be able to do it. can i ask your - politics? i voted for boris johnson, i voted for — politics? i voted for boris johnson, i voted for brexit. .. _ politics? i voted for boris johnson, i voted for brexit. .. what - politics? i voted for boris johnson, i voted for brexit. .. what made i politics? i voted for boris johnson, | i voted for brexit. .. what made you do that? did _ i voted for brexit. .. what made you do that? did you _ i voted for brexit. .. what made you do that? did you think _ i voted for brexit. .. what made you do that? did you think you - i voted for brexit. .. what made you do that? did you think you needed l do that? did you think you needed something different? who; do that? did you think you needed something different?— something different? why are we sendin: something different? why are we spending money _ something different? why are we spending money overseas - something different? why are we spending money overseas when l something different? why are we i spending money overseas when we something different? why are we - spending money overseas when we need it over—

spending money overseas when we need it over to— spending money overseas when we need it over to should christie—mack do it over to should christie-mack do ou it over to should christie—mac you miss it over to should christie—mack at you miss borisjohnson or think things would be different? i you miss boris johnson or think things would be different? i know he was in the wrong _ things would be different? i know he was in the wrong to _ things would be different? i know he was in the wrong to do _ things would be different? i know he was in the wrong to do what - things would be different? i know he was in the wrong to do what he - things would be different? i know he was in the wrong to do what he did l was in the wrong to do what he did with the _ was in the wrong to do what he did with the parties, but then again, who didn't? i with the parties, but then again, who didn't?— with the parties, but then again, who didn't?- we - with the parties, but then again, who didn't?- we did - with the parties, but then again, who didn't?- we did not| who didn't? i didn't! we did not have parties— who didn't? i didn't! we did not have parties like _ who didn't? i didn't! we did not have parties like he _ who didn't? i didn't! we did not have parties like he did, - who didn't? i didn't! we did not have parties like he did, my- have parties like he did, my birthday party, at the front of the house, tables, everyone was separate. it house, tables, everyone was separate-— house, tables, everyone was searate. , . , ., separate. it is a little diversion and i separate. it is a little diversion and i had _ separate. it is a little diversion and i had some _ separate. it is a little diversion and i had some incredible - separate. it is a little diversion - and i had some incredible phone-ins and i had some incredible phone—ins on the whole party situation. let's take it back to now, i appreciate you mentioning that because you say he had his thoughts... that you mentioning that because you say he had his thoughts...— he had his thoughts... at least he manaued he had his thoughts... at least he managed to _ he had his thoughts... at least he managed to get — he had his thoughts... at least he managed to get things _ he had his thoughts... at least he managed to get things done. - he had his thoughts... at least he managed to get things done. you | he had his thoughts... at least he - managed to get things done. you look at liz truss. _ managed to get things done. you look at liz truss, what is she doing? we are at liz truss, what is she doing? are joined by at liz truss, what is she doing? - are joined by paul scully, the arejoined by paul scully, the business secretary. is that a racing that? i

business secretary. is that a racing that? ., business secretary. is that a racing that? . ~ , ., ., that? i am minister for local government _ that? i am minister for local government now. _ that? i am minister for local government now. changes i that? i am minister for local i government now. changes on that? i am minister for local . government now. changes on a that? i am minister for local - government now. changes on a daily basis, government now. changes on a daily basis. paul- — government now. changes on a daily basis, paul. are _ government now. changes on a daily basis, paul. are you _ government now. changes on a daily basis, paul. are you the _ government now. changes on a daily basis, paul. are you the chancellor. basis, paul. are you the chancellor yet? i'm going to see that. thank you, it's all fair we gavejonathan reynolds a round of applause for joining us, let's politically balanced here... applause your party at the moment, what an absolute embarrassing mess. taste your party at the moment, what an absolute embarrassing mess. we know thins absolute embarrassing mess. we know thin . s are absolute embarrassing mess. we know things are really _ absolute embarrassing mess. we know things are really difficult, _ absolute embarrassing mess. we know things are really difficult, we've - things are really difficult, we've been hearing about those stories, they are being replicated up and down the country and that's why we are doing everything we can to put in the energy price guarantee that as they are, but has started, the people are starting to see the benefits from that. but people are starting to see the benefits from that.— people are starting to see the benefits from that. but now it's onl for benefits from that. but now it's only for six _ benefits from that. but now it's only for six months? _ benefits from that. but now it's only for six months? we - benefits from that. but now it's only for six months? we want l benefits from that. but now it'sl only for six months? we want to benefits from that. but now it's - only for six months? we want to use those six months _ only for six months? we want to use those six months to _ only for six months? we want to use those six months to make _ only for six months? we want to use those six months to make sure - only for six months? we want to use those six months to make sure it - only for six months? we want to use | those six months to make sure it can be targeted, rather than having one blanket reaction that we did at the beginning, we can have something

thatis beginning, we can have something that is more targeted at people like eleanor and other people that really need that help, rather than more wealthy people that are somewhat insulated from the situation. that has got to be all for the good. it means that the people suffering most will see the biggest benefit and thus what we all agree should happen. thus what we all agree should ha en. ., , thus what we all agree should hauen. ., , , ., , , happen. you were singing the praises of liz truss saying _ happen. you were singing the praises of liz truss saying her _ happen. you were singing the praises of liz truss saying her plan _ happen. you were singing the praises of liz truss saying her plan was - of liz truss saying her plan was just what the nation needed. i was reading an article from the london evening standard that you wrote, you were singing her praises from the rooftops. do you stand by that? the fact is, we rooftops. do you stand by that? tie: fact is, we need rooftops. do you stand by that? tte: fact is, we need to rooftops. do you stand by that? t'te: fact is, we need to change, rooftops. do you stand by that? tte: fact is, we need to change, you go through the same process, we can see how things were building up, these kind of issues were building up, and if you you have the same solutions, you're going to end up with the same results. we needed to try and break that. ., ., , results. we needed to try and break that. . . , , results. we needed to try and break that. . ,. ,, results. we needed to try and break that. . , ,. ,, ., that. that has been scuppered now, paul that. that has been scuppered now, paul. hasn't — that. that has been scuppered now, paul, hasn't amac_ that. that has been scuppered now, paul, hasn't amac it _ that. that has been scuppered now, paul, hasn't amac it has, _ that. that has been scuppered now, paul, hasn't amac it has, it - paul, hasn't amac it has, it absolutely _ paul, hasn't amac it has, it absolutely has. _ paul, hasn't amac it has, it absolutely has. was - paul, hasn't amac it has, it absolutely has. was a - paul, hasn't amac it has, it. absolutely has. was a mistake paul, hasn't amac it has, it - absolutely has. was a mistake to scoff at it? _ absolutely has. was a mistake to

scoff at it? know, _ absolutely has. was a mistake to scoff at it? know, there's - absolutely has. was a mistake to scoff at it? know, there's two - scoff at it? know, there's two thin . s scoff at it? know, there's two things within _ scoff at it? know, there's two things within her _ scoff at it? know, there's two things within her plan. - scoff at it? know, there's two things within her plan. one i scoff at it? know, there's two i things within her plan. one thing absolutely remains, growth, as well as giving initial support now to tackle issues we have been hearing about, we have to make sure there's more resilience into... about, we have to make sure there's more resilience into. . ._ more resilience into... everybody sa s more resilience into... everybody says that. — more resilience into... everybody says that, broadly _ more resilience into... everybody says that, broadly speaking, i more resilience into... everybody says that, broadly speaking, that| says that, broadly speaking, that they want growth. that is a nebulous meaningless statement to stop the central philosophy is the driver of growth. find a politician on the fringes that size actually i don't want growth. fringes that size actually i don't want growth-— fringes that size actually i don't want urowth. , ., , want growth. look, the statement is, but it's what — want growth. look, the statement is, but it's what you're _ want growth. look, the statement is, but it's what you're doing _ want growth. look, the statement is, but it's what you're doing about i want growth. look, the statement is, but it's what you're doing about it i but it's what you're doing about it that isn't, and productivity in this country has been comparatively slow compared to other countries because of transport issues, infrastructure is too slow to get started and start building, were developing investments on is to actually have a stimulus in particular areas around the country, there has been hundreds of commissions by councils up and down the country. i know people need the support now, they cannot wait for that growth. they want to make

sure they can pay energy bills, hence we have the energy price guarantee for that we heard bells would be going up for a typical household, patrol sold something like six point £5,000 a year. there is a problem _ like six point £5,000 a year. there is a problem of _ like six point £5,000 a year. there is a problem of cost _ like six point £5,000 a year. there is a problem of cost per _ like six point £5,000 a year. there is a problem of cost per pupil, i like six point £5,000 a year. there is a problem of cost per pupil, an l is a problem of cost per pupil, an extreme concern for people, after six months what will happen then? there is massive anxiety for people, planning for a lot of people. about the ending, perhaps, of the triple lock as well, and i'm going to get people to ask you some questions. lots of people who are very much against liz truss' whole political philosophy, are they the anti—growth coalition? tia. philosophy, are they the anti-growth coalition? ., philosophy, are they the anti-growth coalition?- she _ philosophy, are they the anti-growth coalition?- she had _ philosophy, are they the anti-growth coalition?- she had a - coalition? no, i... she had a trumping _ coalition? no, i... she had a trumping list _ coalition? no, i... she had a trumping list of— coalition? no, i... she had a trumping list of enemies i coalition? no, i... she had aj trumping list of enemies she coalition? no, i... she had a i trumping list of enemies she listed and i wonder... tt trumping list of enemies she listed and i wonder...— and i wonder... if you are talking about the — and i wonder... if you are talking about the lock _ and i wonder... if you are talking about the lock on _ and i wonder... if you are talking about the lock on other - and i wonder... if you are talking about the lock on other things, l and i wonder... if you are talking | about the lock on other things, of course not, but there are people who welcome as i say, try and keep the status quo, and for small businesses, i was self—employed, the

reason i was was because i could disrupt the kind of sectors that i was involved in. it took two of us running a small business, running off big sized businesses because we were doing something different. it is a mindset thing. mine were doing something different. it is a mindset thing.— is a mindset thing. mine site, --eole is a mindset thing. mine site, people against _ is a mindset thing. mine site, people against dynamism. i is a mindset thing. mine site, l people against dynamism. very quickly, david attenborough, who admires david attenborough in the studio? clap if you david attenborough. loud applause he said anyone who says we can go that it was at the growth in this is mad, is he wrong? tia. that it was at the growth in this is mad, is he wrong?— that it was at the growth in this is mad, is he wrong? no, it's how you crow mad, is he wrong? no, it's how you grow sustainably, _ mad, is he wrong? no, it's how you grow sustainably, the _ mad, is he wrong? no, it's how you grow sustainably, the growth i mad, is he wrong? no, it's how you grow sustainably, the growth of i grow sustainably, the growth of renewables in this country, the fact we have finally woken up to the need for more renewable energy and the fact the uk is leading offshore wind

and battery technologies is to be applauded, creating newjobs. but applauded, creating new “obs. but there is a applauded, creating newjobs. but there is a balance, and if the environment is cared for as well, biodiversity, the two can be bedfellows, if you like. similar to jonathan, that's fair enough, thank you. we have questions. right in front of the screen, what would you like to ask paul?— like to ask paul? morning. do you not like to ask paul? morning. do you rrot actually _ like to ask paul? morning. do you not actually feel _ like to ask paul? morning. do you not actually feel ashamed? i i like to ask paul? morning. do you not actually feel ashamed? i saw| like to ask paul? morning. do you| not actually feel ashamed? i saw a segment— not actually feel ashamed? i saw a segment on the news last night only 65—year—old woman was crying because she could _ 65—year—old woman was crying because she could not _ 65—year—old woman was crying because she could not use her toaster. that lady over— she could not use her toaster. that lady over there has been crying about— lady over there has been crying about the — lady over there has been crying about the cost of living. are you not ashamed of a party that are oider— not ashamed of a party that are older generation are crying in fear of how— older generation are crying in fear of how they're going to survive and iiveyou _ of how they're going to survive and iiveyou not — of how they're going to survive and liveyou not ashamed of that? it is not bein: liveyou not ashamed of that? it 3 not being ashamed, it's about trying to work out how i can act... i hate the fact there are people suffering the fact there are people suffering the way you've described. i did not see that peace. and we have to do

something about set... a it see that peace. and we have to do something about set... a- see that peace. and we have to do something about set... a if you have been in something about set. .. a if you have been in power— something about set... a if you have been in power for _ something about set... a if you have been in power for 12 _ something about set... a if you have been in power for 12 years, - something about set. .. a if you have been in power for 12 years, how- something about set... a if you have been in power for 12 years, how can l been in power for 12 years, how can you say— been in power for 12 years, how can you say we — been in power for 12 years, how can you say we are trying to do something? ! you have been in power for 12_ something? ! you have been in power for 12 years _ something? ! you have been in power for 12 years. we something? ! you have been in power for 12 years-— for 12 years. we haven't had in the 12 ears, for 12 years. we haven't had in the 12 years. the _ for 12 years. we haven't had in the 12 years, the lead _ for 12 years. we haven't had in the 12 years, the lead up _ for 12 years. we haven't had in the 12 years, the lead up as _ for 12 years. we haven't had in the 12 years, the lead up as we - for 12 years. we haven't had in the 12 years, the lead up as we have i for 12 years. we haven't had in the i 12 years, the lead up as we have not had two years will be basically switched of... taste had two years will be basically switched of. . ._ had two years will be basically switched of... we had 12 years of austerity- — switched of... we had 12 years of austerity. how _ switched of... we had 12 years of austerity. how can _ switched of... we had 12 years of austerity. how can you _ switched of... we had 12 years of austerity. how can you defend i switched of... we had 12 years of. austerity. how can you defend that? every _ austerity. how can you defend that? every single country in the world turned off their economy, effectively, for two years. we spent £408 billion... it is effectively, for two years. we spent £408 billion. . .— £408 billion... it is the same travel £408 billion. .. it is the same travel over— £408 billion... it is the same travel over and _ £408 billion... it is the same travel over and over - £408 billion... it is the same travel over and over again. i £408 billion... it is the same | travel over and over again. by blaming — travel over and over again. by blaming russia and covid. you have been _ blaming russia and covid. you have been in _ blaming russia and covid. you have been in power for 12 years. 40% of chiidren— been in power for 12 years. 40% of children in— been in power for 12 years. 40% of children in the north—east live in poverty — children in the north—east live in poverty. are you not ashamed of that? _ poverty. are you not ashamed of that? ~ ., poverty. are you not ashamed of that? . ., ., poverty. are you not ashamed of that? ~ . ., poverty. are you not ashamed of that? ~ . . , poverty. are you not ashamed of that? . . . , ., that? what i am saying is we are t in: to that? what i am saying is we are trying to act. _ that? what i am saying is we are trying to act, targeting _ that? what i am saying is we are trying to act, targeting support l trying to act, targeting support towards those people. you trying to act, targeting support towards those people. you need to be on a stare towards those people. you need to be on a stage as — towards those people. you need to be on a stage as a _ towards those people. you need to be on a stage as a clown, _ towards those people. you need to be on a stage as a clown, you _ towards those people. you need to be on a stage as a clown, you have i towards those people. you need to be on a stage as a clown, you have not i on a stage as a clown, you have not -ot on a stage as a clown, you have not got a _ on a stage as a clown, you have not got a clue — on a stage as a clown, you have not got a clue. you want to come and live in— got a clue. you want to come and live in the — got a clue. you want to come and live in the north—east. fair got a clue. you want to come and live in the north-east.—

live in the north-east. fair dos, have a robust _ live in the north-east. fair dos, have a robust exchange. - live in the north-east. fair dos, have a robust exchange. i i live in the north-east. fair dos, have a robust exchange. i knowj have a robust exchange. i know europe's debt, have a robust exchange pulitzer what paul has to say —— i know you are upset. but let's hear what paul has to say. your good self, a question? i can't stand this whole _ your good self, a question? i can't stand this whole narrative - your good self, a question? i can't stand this whole narrative of i your good self, a question? i can't. stand this whole narrative of growth and growth — stand this whole narrative of growth and growth who _ stand this whole narrative of growth and growth. who is _ stand this whole narrative of growth and growth. who is it— stand this whole narrative of growth and growth. who is it actually- and growth. who is it actually growing — and growth. who is it actually growing money— and growth. who is it actually growing money for? - and growth. who is it actually growing money for? yeah, i and growth. who is it actually- growing money for? yeah, money for the (1505, _ growing money for? yeah, money for the (1505, big — growing money for? yeah, money for the ceos, big bosses _ growing money for? yeah, money for the ceos, big bosses in _ growing money for? yeah, money for the ceos, big bosses in the _ the ceos, big bosses in the buildings, _ the ceos, big bosses in the buildings, we've _ the ceos, big bosses in the buildings, we've lifted i the ceos, big bosses in the buildings, we've lifted the i the ceos, big bosses in the i buildings, we've lifted the cap the ceos, big bosses in the - buildings, we've lifted the cap on bankers — buildings, we've lifted the cap on bankers' bonuses. _ buildings, we've lifted the cap on bankers' bonuses. how's- buildings, we've lifted the cap on bankers' bonuses. how's that i buildings, we've lifted the cap on i bankers' bonuses. how's that going to affect _ bankers' bonuses. how's that going to affect me — bankers' bonuses. how's that going to affect me or— bankers' bonuses. how's that going to affect me or people _ bankers' bonuses. how's that going to affect me or people on— bankers' bonuses. how's that goingj to affect me or people on benefits? hows _ to affect me or people on benefits? hows that— to affect me or people on benefits? hows that going _ to affect me or people on benefits? how's that going to _ to affect me or people on benefits? how's that going to affect _ to affect me or people on benefits? how's that going to affect people? i to affect me or people on benefits? j how's that going to affect people? i know saying — how's that going to affect people? i know saying it — how's that going to affect people? i know saying it is— how's that going to affect people? i know saying it is going _ how's that going to affect people? i know saying it is going to _ how's that going to affect people? i know saying it is going to bring i know saying it is going to bring more _ know saying it is going to bring more people _ know saying it is going to bring more people in. _ know saying it is going to bring more people in, but— know saying it is going to bring more people in, but that - know saying it is going to bring more people in, but that is i know saying it is going to bring i more people in, but that is trickle down _ more people in, but that is trickle down economics, _ more people in, but that is trickle down economics, that _ more people in, but that is trickle down economics, that doesn't i more people in, but that is trickle i down economics, that doesn't work, does _ down economics, that doesn't work, does it? _ down economics, that doesn't work, does it? to — down economics, that doesn't work, does it? to the _ down economics, that doesn't work, does it? to the treasury? _ down economics, that doesn't work, does it? to the treasury? what i down economics, that doesn't work, i does it? to the treasury? what about the people _ does it? to the treasury? what about the people who — does it? to the treasury? what about the people who cannot _ does it? to the treasury? what about the people who cannot heat _ does it? to the treasury? what about the people who cannot heat their i the people who cannot heat their homes? — the people who cannot heat their homes? people _ the people who cannot heat their homes? people cannot— the people who cannot heat their homes? people cannot heat- the people who cannot heat their| homes? people cannot heat their homes? — homes? people cannot heat their homes? it — homes? people cannot heat their homes? it is _ homes? people cannot heat their homes? it is not _ homes? people cannot heat their homes? it is not for— homes? people cannot heat their homes? it is not for us. - homes? people cannot heat their homes? it is not for us. then i homes? people cannot heat their homes? it is not for us. then you have _ homes? it is not for us. then you have energy— homes? it is not for us. then you have energy companies, - homes? it is not for us. then you have energy companies, their. homes? it is not for us. then you i have energy companies, their profits are not— have energy companies, their profits are not being — have energy companies, their profits are not being taxed, _ have energy companies, their profits are not being taxed, you _ have energy companies, their profits are not being taxed, you have - have energy companies, their profits are not being taxed, you have £7- are not being taxed, you have £7 billion— are not being taxed, you have £7 billion on— are not being taxed, you have £7 billion on energy... _ are not being taxed, you have £7

billion on energy... 0k, - are not being taxed, you have £7 billion on energy. . ._ billion on energy... 0k, fair dos. let's billion on energy... 0k, fair dos. let's hear _ billion on energy... 0k, fair dos. let's hear what _ billion on energy. .. 0k, fair dos. let's hear what paul— billion on energy... 0k, fair dos. let's hear what paul has - billion on energy... 0k, fair dos. let's hear what paul has to i billion on energy... 0k, fair dos. let's hear what paul has to say. l billion on energy... 0k, fair dos. i let's hear what paul has to say. the wa we let's hear what paul has to say. the way we need _ let's hear what paul has to say. the way we need to _ let's hear what paul has to say. tte: way we need to approach growth is not about enriching a few ceos, it's about making sure we can get people good jobs, sustainablejobs, people good jobs, sustainable jobs, people that good jobs, sustainablejobs, people that can work more hours, they don't think it is a right that the state should be topping up peopletwo incomes when employers could do so, because employers are getting away with not paying good enough wages in some areas. we need to do more about that. i was inevitably in some areas. we need to do more about that. i was inevitably encounter a couple of weeks ago looking at one of the proposed investments businesses in there, international money as well as around the country. new homes, newjobs for the people of kent. it is about working in collaboration, not trickle down, not some pat on the head platitudes to rewards hard—working people, this is something we want to build a sustainable... i something we want to build a sustainable. . ._ sustainable... i suppose the olitical sustainable... i suppose the political question _ sustainable... i suppose the political question is - sustainable... i suppose the political question is will i sustainable... i suppose the i

political question is will people see the difference in the two—year time frame? and the election, and will people stick with liz truss and will people stick with liz truss and will you stick with liz truss? thank you very much. let's get a couple more. here is amanda. amanda, tell me first of all about your life at the moment any benefits you are on. i'm a single mum, on esa, a legacy benefit, _ i'm a single mum, on esa, a legacy benefit, on — i'm a single mum, on esa, a legacy benefit, on low rates of pay, my son does not _ benefit, on low rates of pay, my son does not get — benefit, on low rates of pay, my son does not get any money, used to get dla but— does not get any money, used to get dla but is— does not get any money, used to get dla but is not any more. and i have to pay— dla but is not any more. and i have to pay for— dla but is not any more. and i have to pay for a — dla but is not any more. and i have to pay for a new car to drive him to shields _ to pay for a new car to drive him to shields to— to pay for a new car to drive him to shields to college every day, and i'm struggling, i really... it is getting — i'm struggling, i really... it is getting to _ i'm struggling, i really... it is getting to the point where i can't really— getting to the point where i can't really afford the petrol, i'm off today— really afford the petrol, i'm off today because of this, i cannot afford — today because of this, i cannot afford the _ today because of this, i cannot afford the petrol, i had to get a car so _ afford the petrol, i had to get a car so i — afford the petrol, i had to get a car so i could drive and the buses

have _ car so i could drive and the buses have been— car so i could drive and the buses have been bad, the metro is off at the moment and he can't go on his own because he has dyslexia and can't _ own because he has dyslexia and can't understand the timetables, things— can't understand the timetables, things like that. sol can't understand the timetables, things like that. so i have to stay there _ things like that. so i have to stay there while he is through shields for college, because she can't, has to have _ for college, because she can't, has to have someone pick him up at the moment— to have someone pick him up at the moment because of safeguarding and things _ moment because of safeguarding and things. and ijust can't afford petrol— things. and ijust can't afford petrol and things and it is getting... the food is getting more expensive, — getting... the food is getting more expensive, it has almost doubled. we don't drink, _ expensive, it has almost doubled. we don't drink, we don't smoke, nobody in the _ don't drink, we don't smoke, nobody in the house — don't drink, we don't smoke, nobody in the house does. my mum is on her pension— in the house does. my mum is on her pension and — in the house does. my mum is on her pension and my sister has not been well and _ pension and my sister has not been well and people think that if you are disabled you are lazy, but you're — are disabled you are lazy, but you're not _ are disabled you are lazy, but you're not-— you're not. we were chatting beforehand, _ you're not. we were chatting beforehand, everyone i you're not. we were chatting beforehand, everyone will. you're not. we were chatting i beforehand, everyone will find this interesting and indeed disturbing, when we were sitting there having a cup of coffee you told me you were a bit shaken when you came in because you said the cab driver who brought you said the cab driver who brought you here today, tell everybody what he was saying. he you here today, tell everybody what he was saying-— he was saying. he was saying about eo - le he was saying. he was saying about people being _ he was saying. he was saying about people being on _ he was saying. he was saying about people being on universal- he was saying. he was saying about people being on universal credit, i he was saying. he was saying about| people being on universal credit, he said about _ people being on universal credit, he said about disabled people should be

able to— said about disabled people should be able to work, they can do something, no matter— able to work, they can do something, no matter what it is. i felt i had tojustify— no matter what it is. i felt i had to justify myself. are no matter what it is. i felt i had to justify myself.— no matter what it is. i felt i had to 'usti m self. �* ,, to justify myself. are you 0k? sobs. applause. to justify myself. are you 0k? sobs. applause i'm _ to justify myself. are you 0k? sobs. applause. i'm very _ to justify myself. are you 0k? sobs. applause. i'm very sorry. _ to justify myself. are you 0k? sobs. applause. i'm very sorry. is - to justify myself. are you 0k? sobs. applause. i'm very sorry. is 0k. - to justify myself. are you 0k? sobs. applause. i'm very sorry. is 0k. so| applause. i'm very sorry. is ok. so i miaht applause. i'm very sorry. is ok. so i might have _ applause. i'm very sorry. is ok. so i might have been _ applause. i'm very sorry. is ok. so i might have been in _ applause. i'm very sorry. is ok. so i might have been in pain _ applause. i'm very sorry. is ok. so i might have been in pain every- applause. i'm very sorry. is ok. so i might have been in pain every day| i might have been in pain every day for the past 20 years and i want to work. it shows you, there is some harsh attitudes from people, i wonder whether those come from and what right he had to say that to you, he does not know about your life, doesn't know anything. do you come across that a lot?— life, doesn't know anything. do you come across that a lot? quite often, es, the come across that a lot? quite often, yes. they think— come across that a lot? quite often, yes, they think that _ come across that a lot? quite often, yes, they think that we _ come across that a lot? quite often, yes, they think that we are - come across that a lot? quite often, yes, they think that we are lazy i come across that a lot? quite often, yes, they think that we are lazy and | yes, they think that we are lazy and if people _ yes, they think that we are lazy and if people cannot work, we should be working. _ if people cannot work, we should be working, and it's not that you don't want _ working, and it's not that you don't want to, _ working, and it's not that you don't want to, it's— working, and it's not that you don't want to, it'sjust my working, and it's not that you don't want to, it's just my sister and working, and it's not that you don't want to, it'sjust my sister and i try our— want to, it'sjust my sister and i try our own _ want to, it'sjust my sister and i try our own business but could not manage _ try our own business but could not manage it — try our own business but could not manage it. wright i'm asking people about— manage it. wright i'm asking people about their— manage it. wright i'm asking people about their politics and when i do do that— about their politics and when i do do that you can tell me to go away in no _ do that you can tell me to go away in no uncertain terms. i�*m in no uncertain terms. i'm

interested _ in no uncertain terms. i'm interested in _ in no uncertain terms. i'm interested in where i in no uncertain terms. tn interested in where people were before and where they might be in the future. where did you focus mac. i voted conservative. _ the future. where did you focus mac. i voted conservative. i— the future. where did you focus mac. i voted conservative. i don't like your— i voted conservative. i don't like your starmer. boris is a bumbling fool but— your starmer. boris is a bumbling fool but at— your starmer. boris is a bumbling fool but at least he did get something. did fool but at least he did get something-— fool but at least he did get somethina. , ~ something. did you like something about them? _ something. did you like something about them? not _ something. did you like something about them? not that _ something. did you like something about them? not that much, i something. did you like something about them? not that much, no. i| about them? not that much, no. i don't like liz _ about them? not that much, no. i don't like liz truss _ about them? not that much, no. i don't like liz truss because i about them? not that much, no. i don't like liz truss because she i about them? not that much, no. i don't like liz truss because she is| don't like liz truss because she is 'ust don't like liz truss because she is just a _ don't like liz truss because she is just a margaret thatcher. gk, don't like liz truss because she is just a margaret thatcher. 0k, paul, ou're just a margaret thatcher. 0k, paul, you're meant— just a margaret thatcher. 0k, paul, you're meant to _ just a margaret thatcher. 0k, paul, you're meant to be _ just a margaret thatcher. 0k, paul, you're meant to be here _ just a margaret thatcher. 0k, paul, you're meant to be here for- just a margaret thatcher. 0k, paul, you're meant to be here for people | you're meant to be here for people like amanda. you heard what happened to amanda on the way here. appalling. those sorts of attitude utterly reprehensible. you are here for her, what would you say to paul, i know you can see him on the screen? ~ , ., , ., screen? why would they rather disabled people _ screen? why would they rather disabled people would - screen? why would they rather disabled people would be i screen? why would they ratheri disabled people would be dead? screen? why would they rather i disabled people would be dead? we are not— disabled people would be dead? we are not animals, we have bills to pay, _ are not animals, we have bills to pay, disabled people have been told

they should not be allowed to have children _ they should not be allowed to have children. ~ ., they should not be allowed to have children.- and _ they should not be allowed to have children.- and are - they should not be allowed to have children.- and are set i they should not be allowed to have children.- and are set an i children. who said and are set an esa assessment. _ children. who said and are set an esa assessment. taking - children. who said and are set an esa assessment. taking it i children. who said and are set an esa assessment. taking it away i children. who said and are set an i esa assessment. taking it away from that, that is — esa assessment. taking it away from that, that is utterly _ esa assessment. taking it away from that, that is utterly disgusting. i that, that is utterly disgusting. this is a general message, paul, i appreciate you being here this morning and taking the questions. some politicians will not do this, you have done it, credit to you for that. convince people you are there for people like amanda. absolutely, this is why i — for people like amanda. absolutely, this is why i got _ for people like amanda. absolutely, this is why i got into _ for people like amanda. absolutely, this is why i got into politics, - for people like amanda. absolutely, this is why i got into politics, i - this is why i got into politics, i am here — this is why i got into politics, i am here speaking to you because i was sitting — am here speaking to you because i was sitting there muttering at my newspaper in the 90s having lost a business _ newspaper in the 90s having lost a business in — newspaper in the 90s having lost a business in the recession then and myself— business in the recession then and myself as— business in the recession then and myself as self—employed, i wanted to do something about it. i want to try and do _ do something about it. i want to try and do whatever i can. i don't know her exact— and do whatever i can. i don't know her exact circumstances, amanda, she talked _ her exact circumstances, amanda, she talked about _ her exact circumstances, amanda, she talked about being on a legacy benefit, — talked about being on a legacy benefit, may be see if there is a reason — benefit, may be see if there is a reason why— benefit, may be see if there is a reason why she might not get more money— reason why she might not get more money on _ reason why she might not get more money on universal credit. she rightly—

money on universal credit. she rightly says that not every disabled person _ rightly says that not every disabled person can work, and that is exactly what _ person can work, and that is exactly what the _ person can work, and that is exactly what the welfare state is there to pick op. — what the welfare state is there to pick up. to— what the welfare state is there to pick up, to protect, but there are, what _ pick up, to protect, but there are, what we've — pick up, to protect, but there are, what we've done over the last decade is to allow— what we've done over the last decade is to allow disabled people who can work to— is to allow disabled people who can work to actually have adjustments in their workplace and be able to get back into — their workplace and be able to get back into work, and there's more people _ back into work, and there's more people working than ever before, but clearly. _ people working than ever before, but clearly, as _ people working than ever before, but clearly, as you rightly say, not everyone — clearly, as you rightly say, not everyone is in that position and we should _ everyone is in that position and we should not— everyone is in that position and we should not be making judgments on that basis, — should not be making judgments on that basis, we should be able to help people that we can. how that basis, we should be able to help people that we can. how long is liz truss going _ help people that we can. how long is liz truss going to _ help people that we can. how long is liz truss going to last? _ help people that we can. how long is liz truss going to last? it _ help people that we can. how long is liz truss going to last? it is - help people that we can. how long is liz truss going to last? it is she - liz truss going to last? it is she going to [each into the next election, paul? that going to leach into the next election, paul?— going to leach into the next election, paul? . ., ., election, paul? at the moment what the 're election, paul? at the moment what they're doing — election, paul? at the moment what they're doing is. _ election, paul? at the moment what they're doing is. l — election, paul? at the moment what they're doing is, i spoke _ election, paul? at the moment what they're doing is, i spoke to - election, paul? at the moment what they're doing is, i spoke to her- they're doing is, i spoke to her last night— they're doing is, i spoke to her last night and spoke to lots of my colleague — how she? frazzled 7 how she? frazzled? working through the immediate _ how she? frazzled? working through the immediate situation, _ how she? frazzled? working through the immediate situation, that's - how she? frazzled? working through the immediate situation, that's what| the immediate situation, that's what she is— the immediate situation, that's what she is planning to do. having helped people. _ she is planning to do. having helped people. we — she is planning to do. having helped people, we have a crucial two weeks now to _ people, we have a crucial two weeks now to get _ people, we have a crucial two weeks now to get to that next... will people, we have a crucial two weeks now to get to that next. . ._ now to get to that next... will she lead ou now to get to that next... will she lead you into _ now to get to that next... will she lead you into the _ now to get to that next... will she lead you into the next _ now to get to that next... will she lead you into the next electionif. now to get to that next... will she | lead you into the next electionif we get this next bit right, then i see

no reason why not. but we have to get the next bit rate. why not? this is not a ringing endorsement. i’m is not a ringing endorsement. i'm bein: is not a ringing endorsement. i'm being practical, trying to be straight _ being practical, trying to be straight for you. this is a difficult _ straight for you. this is a difficult time for the party because it's a difficult time for the country— it's a difficult time for the country and we will be judged on our actions. _ country and we will be judged on our actions. it's— country and we will be judged on our actions, it's not about warm words are what— actions, it's not about warm words are what i— actions, it's not about warm words are what i say now, it's about what we do _ are what i say now, it's about what we do people now, she rightly say, and come — we do people now, she rightly say, and come two years, that they can feel there's — and come two years, that they can feel there's been a market change for them _ feel there's been a market change for them and see some prospects for the next _ for them and see some prospects for the next five years as well. have ou not the next five years as well. have you got to _ the next five years as well. have you got to go — the next five years as well. have you got to go now? _ the next five years as well. have you got to go now? i'm - the next five years as well. have you got to go now? i'm not - the next five years as well. have you got to go now? i'm not sure| the next five years as well. he: you got to go now? i'm not sure the timings. jonathan, we will let you come back in the second. we want to keep the public speaking to the politicians as much as we can. if i don't give you enough of a shout, shout at me. let's go along the line. nigel. shout at me. let's go along the line- nigel-— line. nigel. isn't the problem siml line. nigel. isn't the problem simply that— line. nigel. isn't the problem simply that the _ line. nigel. isn't the problem simply that the conservative | line. nigel. isn't the problem - simply that the conservative party mps can't reconcile themselves to

whoever their leader is? they all have ambitions to be the leader, and theyjust cannot have ambitions to be the leader, and they just cannot rest have ambitions to be the leader, and theyjust cannot rest until they are. the divisions we are seeing within the conservative party or a political problem for the conservative party, theyjust can't reconcile themselves. ads, conservative party, they 'ust can't reconcile themselves._ reconcile themselves. a lot of factions- _ reconcile themselves. a lot of factions. ritchie, _ reconcile themselves. a lot of factions. ritchie, hi. - reconcile themselves. a lot of factions. ritchie, hi. can- reconcile themselves. a lot of factions. ritchie, hi. can i- reconcile themselves. a lot of factions. ritchie, hi. can i ask paul scully, — factions. ritchie, hi. can i ask paul scully, when _ factions. ritchie, hi. can i ask paul scully, when the - factions. ritchie, hi. can i ask paul scully, when the nurses| factions. ritchie, hi. can i ask. paul scully, when the nurses get factions. ritchie, hi. can i ask- paul scully, when the nurses get the 72p a _ paul scully, when the nurses get the 72p a week— paul scully, when the nurses get the 72p a week pay rise, they've got food _ 72p a week pay rise, they've got food tranks— 72p a week pay rise, they've got food banks in the hospitals and they have to _ food banks in the hospitals and they have to pay — food banks in the hospitals and they have to pay for their car parking. paul, _ have to pay for their car parking. paul. how— have to pay for their car parking. paul, how about when you got pay rises _ paul, how about when you got pay rises of— paul, how about when you got pay rises of £2000, £3400 towards your energy— rises of £2000, £3400 towards your energy and _ rises of £2000, £3400 towards your energy and you get expenses towards your fueldo you feel about that? are your fueldo you feel about that? are you not— your fueldo you feel about that? are you not concerned about the actress—mack to you not concerned about the actress-mael— you not concerned about the actress-mac ., , ., ., �* actress-mack to be fair, i don't. you do, actress-mack to be fair, i don't. you do. paul- — actress-mack to be fair, i don't. you do, paul. gray let me -

you do, paul. gray let me explain, i'm a london mp so i don't... what about— i'm a london mp so i don't... what about other— i'm a london mp so i don't... what about other mps? let i'm a london mp so i don't... what about other mps?_ about other mps? let me clarify, i noticed difficult. _ about other mps? let me clarify, i noticed difficult. what _ about other mps? let me clarify, i noticed difficult. what happens - about other mps? let me clarify, i l noticed difficult. what happens with public _ noticed difficult. what happens with public sector— noticed difficult. what happens with public sector workers _ noticed difficult. what happens with public sector workers as _ noticed difficult. what happens with public sector workers as there - noticed difficult. what happens with public sector workers as there is - public sector workers as there is obvious— public sector workers as there is obvious that _ public sector workers as there is obvious that a _ public sector workers as there is obvious that a peer— public sector workers as there is obvious that a peer review - public sector workers as there is . obvious that a peer review process that goes— obvious that a peer review process that goes through _ obvious that a peer review process that goes through that _ obvious that a peer review process that goes through that and - obvious that a peer review process - that goes through that and sometimes when they— that goes through that and sometimes when they do— that goes through that and sometimes when they do that _ that goes through that and sometimes when they do that they— that goes through that and sometimes when they do that they are _ that goes through that and sometimes when they do that they are looking - when they do that they are looking at inflation — when they do that they are looking at inflation at _ when they do that they are looking at inflation at the _ when they do that they are looking at inflation at the time _ when they do that they are looking at inflation at the time and - when they do that they are looking at inflation at the time and there l at inflation at the time and there is a bit _ at inflation at the time and there is a bit be — at inflation at the time and there is a bit be like, _ at inflation at the time and there is a bit be like, so— at inflation at the time and there is a bit be like, so what - at inflation at the time and there is a bit be like, so what you - at inflation at the time and there is a bit be like, so what you tend to find _ is a bit be like, so what you tend to find as — is a bit be like, so what you tend to find as you _ is a bit be like, so what you tend to find as you may _ is a bit be like, so what you tend to find as you may well - is a bit be like, so what you tend to find as you may well find - is a bit be like, so what you tend to find as you may well find nextj to find as you may well find next year _ to find as you may well find next year the — to find as you may well find next year the situation _ to find as you may well find next year the situation is _ to find as you may well find next year the situation is one - to find as you may well find next year the situation is one where l to find as you may well find next . year the situation is one where the pay review— year the situation is one where the pay review at — year the situation is one where the pay review at that _ year the situation is one where the pay review at that point, _ year the situation is one where the pay review at that point, but - year the situation is one where the pay review at that point, but what| pay review at that point, but what has to _ pay review at that point, but what has to happen _ pay review at that point, but what has to happen is, _ pay review at that point, but what has to happen is, the _ pay review at that point, but what has to happen is, the treasury- pay review at that point, but what i has to happen is, the treasury when you look— has to happen is, the treasury when you look at— has to happen is, the treasury when you look at it. — has to happen is, the treasury when you look at it, they— has to happen is, the treasury when you look at it, they had _ has to happen is, the treasury when you look at it, they had to _ has to happen is, the treasury when you look at it, they had to look - has to happen is, the treasury when you look at it, they had to look at i you look at it, they had to look at the effect — you look at it, they had to look at the effect of _ you look at it, they had to look at the effect of giving _ you look at it, they had to look at the effect of giving several - you look at it, they had to look at l the effect of giving several hundred thousands — the effect of giving several hundred thousands of— the effect of giving several hundred thousands of people, _ the effect of giving several hundred thousands of people, millions - the effect of giving several hundred thousands of people, millions of. thousands of people, millions of people _ thousands of people, millions of people on— thousands of people, millions of people on the _ thousands of people, millions of people on the public— thousands of people, millions of people on the public sector - thousands of people, millions ofl people on the public sector purse and inflation _ people on the public sector purse and inflation busting _ people on the public sector purse and inflation busting pay- people on the public sector purse and inflation busting pay rise - and inflation busting pay rise because _ and inflation busting pay rise because that _ and inflation busting pay rise because that in _ and inflation busting pay rise because that in itself- and inflation busting pay risel because that in itself embeds and inflation busting pay rise - because that in itself embeds the inflation — because that in itself embeds the inflation. we've _ because that in itself embeds the inflation. we've been _ because that in itself embeds the inflation. we've been talking - because that in itself embeds the i inflation. we've been talking about the fact— inflation. we've been talking about the fact we — inflation. we've been talking about the fact we are _ inflation. we've been talking about the fact we are trying _ inflation. we've been talking about the fact we are trying to _ inflation. we've been talking about the fact we are trying to help - the fact we are trying to help people — the fact we are trying to help people now _ the fact we are trying to help people now. what— the fact we are trying to help people now. what we - the fact we are trying to help people now. what we don't. the fact we are trying to help - people now. what we don't want to do is to be _ people now. what we don't want to do is to be under— people now. what we don't want to do is to be under these _ people now. what we don't want to do is to be under these pressures - people now. what we don't want to do is to be under these pressures for- people now. what we don't want to do is to be under these pressures for a i is to be under these pressures for a moment— is to be under these pressures for a moment longer— is to be under these pressures for a moment longer than— is to be under these pressures for a moment longer than we _ is to be under these pressures for a moment longer than we need - is to be under these pressures for a moment longer than we need be. . is to be under these pressures for a - moment longer than we need be. when inspecting _ moment longer than we need be. when inspecting inflation _ moment longer than we need be. when inspecting inflation to _ moment longer than we need be. when inspecting inflation to go _ moment longer than we need be. when inspecting inflation to go down - inspecting inflation to go down because — inspecting inflation to go down because of— inspecting inflation to go down because of the _ inspecting inflation to go down because of the situation - inspecting inflation to go down because of the situation with l inspecting inflation to go down - because of the situation with energy and ukraine, —

because of the situation with energy and ukraine, the— because of the situation with energy and ukraine, the tight _ because of the situation with energy and ukraine, the tight labour- and ukraine, the tight labour market. _ and ukraine, the tight labour market. the _ and ukraine, the tight labour market, the cost— and ukraine, the tight labour market, the cost of- and ukraine, the tight labour market, the cost of goods, l and ukraine, the tight labour- market, the cost of goods, middle way through— market, the cost of goods, middle way through next— market, the cost of goods, middle way through next year. _ market, the cost of goods, middle way through next year. if- market, the cost of goods, middle way through next year. if we - market, the cost of goods, middle way through next year. if we don't| way through next year. if we don't -et way through next year. if we don't get this— way through next year. if we don't get this right _ way through next year. if we don't get this right that _ way through next year. if we don't get this right that won't _ way through next year. if we don't get this right that won't go - way through next year. if we don't get this right that won't go down i get this right that won't go down and it— get this right that won't go down and it will— get this right that won't go down and it will be _ get this right that won't go down and it will be the _ get this right that won't go down and it will be the same - get this right that won't go down and it will be the same probleml get this right that won't go down - and it will be the same problem this time next _ and it will be the same problem this time next christmas. _ and it will be the same problem this time next christmas.— and it will be the same problem this time next christmas. thank you very much forioining _ time next christmas. thank you very much forjoining us, _ time next christmas. thank you very much forjoining us, paul. _ time next christmas. thank you very much forjoining us, paul. show- time next christmas. thank you very| much forjoining us, paul. show your appreciation. applause. jonathan reynolds shortly, that's paul scully from the conservative front bench. thoughts on that? denise, remind us what you do. i thoughts on that? denise, remind us what you do— what you do. i am the manager of... we are busy — what you do. i am the manager of... we are busy at _ what you do. i am the manager of... we are busy at the _ what you do. i am the manager of... we are busy at the moment. - what you do. i am the manager of... we are busy at the moment. last. we are busy at the moment. last october we saw 323 in our drop—in services in the first week in october we have seen 206. this is really shooting _ october we have seen 206. this is really shooting up. _ october we have seen 206. this is really shooting up. what - october we have seen 206. this is really shooting up. what are - october we have seen 206. this is. really shooting up. what are people asking you, wanting from the? basically people are looking for benefit checks to see if they can increase their income because people simply cannot afford the essentials. we cannot afford the energy and they cannot afford the food bills and they are not managing. everybody thatis

they are not managing. everybody that is coming through our doors on a deficit budget.— a deficit budget. where this this auoin ? a deficit budget. where this this going? serious _ a deficit budget. where this this going? serious crisis. _ a deficit budget. where this this going? serious crisis. we - a deficit budget. where this this going? serious crisis. we are i going? serious crisis. we are already in — going? serious crisis. we are already in crisis, _ going? serious crisis. we are already in crisis, we - going? serious crisis. we are already in crisis, we have - going? serious crisis. we are i already in crisis, we have been talking about heat and eat for a number of years now. we are at the point where people are self disconnecting and are simply not putting the heating on or are self disconnecting and simply not putting the heating on our going without food. i the heating on our going without food. ., ., , . ., . food. i wanted to switch tacky little bit, food. i wanted to switch tacky little bit. i— food. i wanted to switch tacky little bit, i think _ food. i wanted to switch tacky little bit, i think there - food. i wanted to switch tacky little bit, i think there is - food. i wanted to switch tacky little bit, i think there is a - food. i wanted to switch tacky| little bit, i think there is a real little bit, ithink there is a real problem — little bit, ithink there is a real problem with democracy that has happened over the past week in that there _ happened over the past week in that there has— happened over the past week in that there has been a coup. i stayed for there has been a coup. i stayed for the brexit— there has been a coup. i stayed for the brexit party in 2019 because i was worried about the betrayal of the two _ was worried about the betrayal of the two parties, the people who voted _ the two parties, the people who voted for— the two parties, the people who voted for brexit... 569f> the two parties, the people who voted for brexit. . ._ the two parties, the people who voted for brexit. .. 5696 of people in a oll voted for brexit. .. 5696 of people in a poll yesterday. — voted for brexit. .. 5696 of people in a poll yesterday. a _ voted for brexit. .. 5696 of people in a poll yesterday, a huge _ voted for brexit. .. 5696 of people in a poll yesterday, a huge swing - voted for brexit. .. 5696 of people in j a poll yesterday, a huge swing back to remain. i think 56% of people who voted for brexit regretted it, i'm sorry but i got it wrong but it did not look good for brexit.- not look good for brexit. some eo - le not look good for brexit. some people did. — not look good for brexit. some people did. i — not look good for brexit. some people did, i don't _ not look good for brexit. some people did, i don't because - not look good for brexit. some people did, i don't because i i not look good for brexit. some i people did, i don't because i think it is important for us to be able to recall— it is important for us to be able to recall our— it is important for us to be able to recall our politicians and we could not recall— recall our politicians and we could not recall them from europe, and one of the _ not recall them from europe, and one of the concerns i have over the past

few days _ of the concerns i have over the past few days as — of the concerns i have over the past few days as there has been a coup, effectively — few days as there has been a coup, effectivelyjeremy hunt is the prime minister. _ effectivelyjeremy hunt is the prime minister, taken over as the factual prime _ minister, taken over as the factual prime minister, nobody voted for him _ prime minister, nobody voted for him. people voted for boris in 2019 because _ him. people voted for boris in 2019 because he — him. people voted for boris in 2019 because he promised to deliver brexit— because he promised to deliver brexit and yet we are being totally betray— brexit and yet we are being totally betray his — brexit and yet we are being totally betray his freshly switches by the switches — betray his freshly switches by the switches around. got betray his freshly switches by the switches around.— betray his freshly switches by the switches around. got you. 5996 of eo - le switches around. got you. 5996 of people think _ switches around. got you. 5996 of people think brexit _ switches around. got you. 5996 of people think brexit has _ switches around. got you. 5996 of people think brexit has made - switches around. got you. 5996 of - people think brexit has made matters worse, 20% no different, i4% say it is better. that was a poll yesterday. apologies for not remembering the particular figures. let's get lots of voices. we have not heard from you, andrea. goad not heard from you, andrea. good mornin: , not heard from you, andrea. good morning. i'm _ not heard from you, andrea. good morning, i'm andrea, _ not heard from you, andrea. good morning, i'm andrea, the - not heard from you, andrea. (ems morning, i'm andrea, the founder of sunderland community soup kitchen, pretty prominent in the city at the moment, everybody knows it is and is using us.

moment, everybody knows it is and is usina us. �* . , moment, everybody knows it is and is using us-_ my _ moment, everybody knows it is and is using us._ my opinion - moment, everybody knows it is and is using us._ my opinion is i using us. applause. my opinion is slithtl using us. applause. my opinion is slightly different _ using us. applause. my opinion is slightly different to _ using us. applause. my opinion is slightly different to everybody - slightly different to everybody else, our work is very much in the middle of ping—pong of politics, so we like to sit on the bench because because people we are working with, their lives are impacted by someone else's decision, they have no control, it is only things that everyone else has mentioned, food, energy, fuel for a lot of the working people we are helping now. again, my question to everybody, from probably a peasant�*s kind of you is can you just make a decision and actually do some positive for the people we are supporting? food services have this impression it is someone who is of a certain class, it is not, it's working people. this unemployed people. it's people with addictions, yes, and they deserve the same support as someone else. can somebody make a decision that actually makes a positive impact on the people who are having to use our

service? .., ., the people who are having to use our service? _, ., , ., , , service? nicola, it is not super memory. _ service? nicola, it is not super memory. people _ service? nicola, it is not super memory, people have - service? nicola, it is not super memory, people have got - service? nicola, it is not super memory, people have got if. service? nicola, it is not super- memory, people have got if you're listening on the radio, name tags. i'm wood, nicola i've been in business in sunderland since i was 18, i've got a good understanding of our area and 18, i've got a good understanding of ourarea and as 18, i've got a good understanding of our area and as a local business owner i would like to turn on the tv and not see the constant unease, the squabbling, i would like to have one week and my business where i know what my outgoings will be, the prices are not rising all the time. five years ago i set up a business that helps people when they have lost their hair, just like the lady was saying there from the soup kitchen, this cost of living crisis is notjust about people on the breadline, this is about people who lose their hair through cancer treatment etc a... lose their hair through cancer treatment etc a. . ._ lose their hair through cancer treatment etc a... you are in that business. — treatment etc a... you are in that business, wax? _ treatment etc a... you are in that business, wax? i— treatment etc a... you are in that business, wax? i only _ treatment etc a... you are in that business, wax? i only the - treatment etc a... you are in that i business, wax? i only the wonderful white company. _ business, wax? i only the wonderful white company, we _ business, wax? i only the wonderful white company, we serve _ business, wax? i only the wonderful white company, we serve the - business, wax? i only the wonderful white company, we serve the whole

business, wax? i only the wonderful. white company, we serve the whole of the north east nhs when you lose hair medically so these people are already going through the worst time of their life and you give them cancer and all of a sudden they are completely pure, have no way to pay for anything, completely pure, have no way to pay foranything, —— completely pure, have no way to pay for anything, —— completely poor. everyone is affected, the kosovar whigs has had to go up. that affects people. —— the cost of our wigs. it does not matter if you are from per family, your taken away from you. how do you feel? the people you see on a daily basis when a daily basis when you hear the bankers bonus cap is to be lifted and the original idea to lower the rate of tax for the wealthiest in society, viscerally, how did you react to those policies quest back very quickly? those policies quest back very tuickl ? ., , , quickly? from my side, there never seems to be — quickly? from my side, there never seems to be that _ quickly? from my side, there never seems to be that simple _ quickly? from my side, there never seems to be that simple solution. l seems to be that simple solution. one says one thing, the other says the other thing and we see a ground

level is the impact, if someone else —— the impact of someone else's bad decision. -- the impact of someone else's bad decision. ., ., . .., . , decision. you will notice the caucus approaching — decision. you will notice the caucus approaching -- _ decision. you will notice the caucus approaching -- colic— decision. you will notice the caucus approaching -- colic is— decision. you will notice the caucus approaching -- colic is approachingj approaching —— colic is approaching ten. hello and welcome to bbc news, i'm rebecca jones. new figures out today shows inflation in the uk has returned to the 40—year high it hit earlier this summer. the rate, as measured by the consumer prices index, is at 10.1%. in other words, if you paid £100 for a variety of products in september last year, you're now paying — on average — £110.10 for the same products this year. some prices went up more than others. food and nonalcoholic drink rose by 14.6% — even though petrol and air fares went down. liz truss will face questions from mps in the house of commons this lunchtime for the first time since the almost complete reversal of her economic plan.

the local government minister paul scully has told the bbc that there's no reason why ms truss can't lead the party into the next election. but there's a row brewing in her own party over the possibility of scrapping the triple lock on pensions — after downing street said it was reviewing its commitment to increasing payments in line with inflation. it is a number which will cause concern for a lot of people around the country, we completely understand that. it's in the range that i think we were expecting. it could have been higher. i think the figures, sorry, the response to the energy price increases that we brought out in the statement a few weeks ago will have helped to suppress some of that inflation. but, of course, it is still something which is concerned. i listened to the things that people are saying about theirfood bill going up. we completely get that.

that's why we want to make sure that we take action to try and limit the rate of inflation. that's why it's so very important that we protect people and businesses, as i say, from those energy price rises, but we also try and address some of the core drivers of inflation, including the war in ukraine, which has pushed up energy prices and that's had a knock—on effect to so many other prices in people's baskets. that was the foreign secretary, james cleverley. let's take a look at some of today's other stories... an independent panel will this morning publish a report into failings in the care provided to women and babies at three maternity hospitals in kent. it's expected to describe how newborn babies died because of poor care at east kent hospitals nhs trust. the trust says it apologised unreservedly to everyone it had failed.

the manchester united footballer mason greenwood, who is charged with attempted rape, assault and controlling and coercive behaviour, has been granted bail following a private hearing at minshull street crown court in manchester. a large crowd has welcomed the iranian athlete, elnaz rekabi, on her return to tehran from the asian games — where she competed in a climbing event without wearing a hijab. it was perceived by many as a show of support for the current anti—government protests in the country, which were triggered by the death of a woman who had been detained for allegedly wearing her hijab incorrectly. but ms rekabi has denied the claims. and more rail strikes over pay and conditions will take place on 3rd, 5th, and 7th of november, the rmt union has announced. it threatens a week's worth of disruption similar to previous strikes. rmt general secretary mick lynch accused network rail of "dishonesty" in negotiations.

that's all from me for now but do stay with us on bbc news, as we return to our special coverage on the cost of living with nicky campbell. applause welcome back to the fire station. wow. some really, really interesting conversations happening this morning as we talk about the cost of living, energy, brexit has been mentioned. we are in sunderland. it's a fascinating part of the world, politically, it really is, and historically, too. richard, a man from the bbc i do believe. i am from the bbci do believe. i am olitical from the bbci do believe. i am political editor _ from the bbci do believe. i am political editor for _ from the bbci do believe. i am political editor for the - from the bbci do believe. i am political editor for the bbc - from the bbc i do believe. i —n political editor for the bbc in this region. political editor for the bbc in this retion. , ., , ., region. tell us about this region. it's a region _ region. tell us about this region. it's a region that's _ region. tell us about this region. it's a region that's gone - region. tell us about this region. it's a region that's gone through | region. tell us about this region. | it's a region that's gone through a lot of political change. we are a labour constituency but boris johnson achieved a better result than any conservative leader had

achieved since the 1930s, better than margaret thatcher did come in terms of winning over people in the north—east away from the labour party. so there has been a significant change and we have heard already in the audience, some people who have actually suggested they voted conservative because they believed in borisjohnson. of course, now he's gone... believed in boris johnson. of course, now he's gone... colour beside you _ course, now he's gone... colour beside you being _ course, now he's gone... colour beside you being one. _ course, now he's gone... colour beside you being one. the - course, now he's gone... colour- beside you being one. the challenge for the conservatives _ beside you being one. the challenge for the conservatives in _ beside you being one. the challenge for the conservatives in this - beside you being one. the challenge for the conservatives in this region l for the conservatives in this region is how do they persuade people to stick with them? a series of seats they need to win to stay in power in they need to win to stay in power in the next general election when the person who achieved this political alchemy, people who have never voted conservative before, how do they persuade them to stick with them? very brexit. persuade them to stick with them? very iheadt— very brexit. sunderland, famously that niaht, very brexit. sunderland, famously that night. the _ very brexit. sunderland, famously that night, the first _ very brexit. sunderland, famously that night, the first place - very brexit. sunderland, famously that night, the first place that - that night, the first place that gave a real indication the country was going to vote... that gave a real indication the country was going to vote. . ._ gave a real indication the country was going to vote... that is when the tlum was going to vote... that is when the qum faces — was going to vote... that is when the glum faces started _ was going to vote... that is when the glum faces started on - was going to vote... that is when the glum faces started on the - the glum faces started on the remainers. i the glum faces started on the remainers— the glum faces started on the remainers. ., , ., ., ., remainers. i was here for that vote that night- — remainers. i was here for that vote that night- of _ remainers. i was here for that vote that night. of course, _ remainers. i was here for that vote that night. of course, brexit - remainers. i was here for that vote that night. of course, brexit still. that night. of course, brexit still matters to people. i don't think...

i think a show of hands earlier about whether people had changed their minds, i didn't think many people had, one or two. but the cost of living issue has superseded all of living issue has superseded all of that, i think. i don't think the conservatives can rely on that... the brexit policy, if you believe they've got brexit done, any more, they've got brexit done, any more, they need to provide answers to the questions people have been asking today, which is how do i get through the situation and be able to keep life and limb together?— life and limb together? jonathan wells from _ life and limb together? jonathan wells from labour, _ life and limb together? jonathan wells from labour, whilst - life and limb together? jonathan wells from labour, whilst we're| life and limb together? jonathan - wells from labour, whilst we're that topic, brexit, yes or no, it has affected gdp?— topic, brexit, yes or no, it has affected gdp?_ to i topic, brexit, yes or no, it has i affected gdp?_ to what affected gdp? yes, yes. to what extent, affected gdp? yes, yes. to what extent. 496? _ affected gdp? yes, yes. to what extent, 496? figures— affected gdp? yes, yes. to what extent, 496? figures are - affected gdp? yes, yes. to what extent, 496? figures are a - affected gdp? yes, yes. to what extent, 496? figures are a bit. extent, 496? figures are a bit abstract- _ extent, 496? figures are a bit abstract. business _ extent, 496? figures are a bit| abstract. business investment extent, 496? figures are a bit - abstract. business investment has gone _ abstract. business investment has gone down, a devaluation in sterling _ gone down, a devaluation in sterling i_ gone down, a devaluation in sterling. i don't think it was the sterling. idon't think it was the economy— sterling. i don't think it was the economy that people voted brexit for, economy that people voted brexit for. you _ economy that people voted brexit for, you have to understand... you resect for, you have to understand... you respect democracy _ for, you have to understand... li’f7i. respect democracy of course but if we were to have growth, some people are saying, and indeed tobias

ellwood, i almost said from your party, from the conservative party got himself into a load of toxic bother when he said, you want to have growth? we should have some better relationship with the single market and even tiptoe back into the single market, that would be a sure—fire way to having some growth was that he is right though, isn't it? ~ , , was that he is right though, isn't it? . , , ., was that he is right though, isn't it? y, ., . was that he is right though, isn't it? y, . . , it? well, yes, in a technical sense, es. in it? well, yes, in a technical sense, yes- in the — it? well, yes, in a technical sense, yes. in the uncertainty... - it? well, yes, in a technical sense, yes. in the uncertainty... technical sense? the — yes. in the uncertainty... technical sense? the period _ yes. in the uncertainty... technical sense? the period of _ yes. in the uncertainty... technical sense? the period of uncertainty i yes. in the uncertainty... technical. sense? the period of uncertainty was also a detriment _ sense? the period of uncertainty was also a detriment to _ sense? the period of uncertainty was also a detriment to how— sense? the period of uncertainty was also a detriment to how the - sense? the period of uncertainty was also a detriment to how the economy function _ also a detriment to how the economy function i_ also a detriment to how the economy function. i cannot say honestly how you can _ function. i cannot say honestly how you can have the same argument time and time _ you can have the same argument time and time again for is there are things— and time again for is there are things we _ and time again for is there are things we could do that are not about— things we could do that are not aboutjoining the single market. canada — aboutjoining the single market. canada hasn't got a trade deal with the eu _ canada hasn't got a trade deal with the eu in— canada hasn't got a trade deal with the eu in many aspects, you could do a veterinary _ the eu in many aspects, you could do a veterinary agreement, recognise mutually— a veterinary agreement, recognise mutually qualifications. more a veterinary agreement, recognise mutually qualifications.— mutually qualifications. more fund fundamental _ mutually qualifications. more fund fundamental than _ mutually qualifications. more fund fundamental than that _ mutually qualifications. more fund fundamental than that people - mutually qualifications. more fund fundamental than that people are| fundamental than that people are saying? i fundamental than that people are sa int ? ~ . fundamental than that people are sa int ? ,, ., ., , saying? i think that argument is over. practical— saying? i think that argument is over. practical things _ saying? i think that argument is over. practical things about - saying? i think that argument isj over. practical things about how saying? i think that argument is . over. practical things about how we move this forward otherwise it will never end. the other thing i have to say is until there is a consensus in

this country, the rest of europe would want that. so i think you need practical things can you make it better funny practical things can you make it betterfunny do practical things can you make it better funny do try and relive previous arguments. better funny do try and relive revious art uments. ,., . ., previous arguments. dominic from the tory council. — previous arguments. dominic from the tory council, wanted _ previous arguments. dominic from the tory council, wanted to _ previous arguments. dominic from the tory council, wanted to come - previous arguments. dominic from the tory council, wanted to come in - tory council, wanted to come in here. i'm sorry, notjust now. now a professor from york university. a general picture on this particular area and why it was so in favour of brexit, what was it, was a vote of disillusionment? try something new? well, at the end, it politically was easy to _ well, at the end, it politically was easy to sell brexit as change, something new, and people were tired of the _ something new, and people were tired of the old _ something new, and people were tired of the old stuff and thought that things— of the old stuff and thought that things could only get better. which ithink— things could only get better. which i think is— things could only get better. which i think is a — things could only get better. which i think is a common fallacy of people — i think is a common fallacy of people thinking that you are at the bottom, _ people thinking that you are at the bottom, you can only go up. but i think— bottom, you can only go up. but i think there — bottom, you can only go up. but i think there is no point in talking about— think there is no point in talking about brexit.— about brexit. sorry, we call the madonna microphones - about brexit. sorry, we call the madonna microphones in -

about brexit. sorry, we call the madonna microphones in the i about brexit. sorry, we call the - madonna microphones in the business, just pull it away... we will persist, anyway, yeah? i just pull it away... we will persist, anyway, yeah? i agree there is no oint persist, anyway, yeah? i agree there is no point in — persist, anyway, yeah? i agree there is no point in talking _ persist, anyway, yeah? i agree there is no point in talking about _ persist, anyway, yeah? i agree there is no point in talking about brexit - is no point in talking about brexit now _ is no point in talking about brexit now we — is no point in talking about brexit now. we are in a cost of living crisis — now. we are in a cost of living crisis and _ now. we are in a cost of living crisis and we have a serious crisis of credibility in the fiscal policy of credibility in the fiscal policy of this— of credibility in the fiscal policy of this country was that we should put all— of this country was that we should put all our— of this country was that we should put all our efforts to address this credibility— put all our efforts to address this credibility crisis. this has a cost. so there — credibility crisis. this has a cost. so there were some estimates yesterday from the financial times and bloomberg that was saying at the peak. _ and bloomberg that was saying at the peak, this— and bloomberg that was saying at the peak, this was 20 billion cost. and now maybe — peak, this was 20 billion cost. and now maybe with the intervention of the bank— now maybe with the intervention of the bank of england, this is £10 billion— the bank of england, this is £10 billion cost in additional are spending on servicing the debt. it isjust— spending on servicing the debt. it isiust a _ spending on servicing the debt. it isjust a by—product spending on servicing the debt. it is just a by—product of how the mini—budget was delivered. how isjust a by-product of how the mini-budget was delivered. how much of it was the — mini-budget was delivered. how much of it was the mini-budget? _ mini-budget was delivered. how much of it was the mini-budget? it - mini-budget was delivered. how much of it was the mini-budget? it was - of it was the mini-budget? it was £45 billion. _ of it was the mini-budget? it was £45 billion, but — of it was the mini-budget? it was £45 billion, but the _ of it was the mini-budget? it was £45 billion, but the problem - of it was the mini-budget? it was £45 billion, but the problem is . of it was the mini-budget? it was i £45 billion, but the problem is that the mini—budget was released by passing _ the mini—budget was released by passing the obr, the fiscal watchdog, and it's like going to get

a loan _ watchdog, and it's like going to get a loan without having a credit check — a loan without having a credit check so _ a loan without having a credit check. so the markets were worried about _ check. so the markets were worried about the _ check. so the markets were worried about the fiscal sustainability of these _ about the fiscal sustainability of these plans and they were not willing — these plans and they were not willing to buy government bonds. so the prices _ willing to buy government bonds. so the prices went down and the government has started to pay higher interest, _ government has started to pay higher interest, which means the cost of borrowing — interest, which means the cost of borrowing for this country went up, due to _ borrowing for this country went up, due to the — borrowing for this country went up, due to the fact that the government lost its _ due to the fact that the government lost its credibility and its fiscal plans~ — lost its credibility and its fiscal lans. ., , , lost its credibility and its fiscal lans, ., , , ., ., lost its credibility and its fiscal lans. ., , , ., ., ., plans. the former deputy governor of the bank of england _ plans. the former deputy governor of the bank of england and _ plans. the former deputy governor of the bank of england and other - plans. the former deputy governor ofj the bank of england and other people have been saying, it is so bad, we are like italy now. how does that feel for you?— feel for you? well, the bank of encland feel for you? well, the bank of england has — feel for you? well, the bank of england has been _ feel for you? well, the bank of england has been working - feel for you? well, the bank of england has been working very| feel for you? well, the bank of - england has been working very hard and is _ england has been working very hard and is in _ england has been working very hard and is in a _ england has been working very hard and is in a very difficult position. we were — and is in a very difficult position. we were discussing italian politics earlier on, your roots. what do you think of that comparison when they are saying we are on that level now, italy, what do you think when you hear people saying that?- italy, what do you think when you hear people saying that? when the market starts _ hear people saying that? when the market starts not _ hear people saying that? when the market starts not being _ hear people saying that? when the market starts not being sure - hear people saying that? when the market starts not being sure aboutj market starts not being sure about the country, of course, if you are not sure — the country, of course, if you are not sure about lending your money, you ask— not sure about lending your money, you ask for— not sure about lending your money, you ask for higher rates. this is what _ you ask for higher rates. this is what happens and we always think we

are safe _ what happens and we always think we are safe from that scenario but we are safe from that scenario but we are not _ are safe from that scenario but we are not so — are safe from that scenario but we are not. so this is why we have these — are not. so this is why we have these situations. this is why we have _ these situations. this is why we have the — these situations. this is why we have the obr that sends projections for the _ have the obr that sends projections for the fiscal sustainability plans and why— for the fiscal sustainability plans and why we have the bank of england which _ and why we have the bank of england which is _ and why we have the bank of england which is an— and why we have the bank of england which is an independent institution that has— which is an independent institution that has a — which is an independent institution that has a mandate of 2.7 inflation and the _ that has a mandate of 2.7 inflation and the government would question this mandate to stop —— 2% inflation _ this mandate to stop —— 2% inflation. as a result of the mini—budget, what you're going to have as _ mini—budget, what you're going to have as you're going to have higher inflation _ have as you're going to have higher inflation for — have as you're going to have higher inflation for longer. gk, have as you're going to have higher inflation for longer.— inflation for longer. ok, i understand _ inflation for longer. ok, i understand the _ inflation for longer. ok, i. understand the economics, inflation for longer. ok, i- understand the economics, thank inflation for longer. ok, i— understand the economics, thank you for that. where is the man... mick, there you are. the man with the drink, and boy would that be good! you have a drinks business, tell us about the situation you are in at the moment when it comes to your business and your workers? irate the moment when it comes to your business and your workers? we run a business and your workers? we run a business called _ business and your workers? we run a business called clearly _ business and your workers? we run a business called clearly drinks. - business and your workers? we run a business called clearly drinks. mostl business called clearly drinks. most people remember them as villa pop. you crowd pleaser! irate people remember them as villa pop. you crowd pleaser!— you crowd pleaser! we are proud,

the 've you crowd pleaser! we are proud, they've been _ you crowd pleaser! we are proud, they've been around _ you crowd pleaser! we are proud, they've been around 137 _ you crowd pleaser! we are proud, they've been around 137 years, . you crowd pleaser! we are proud, l they've been around 137 years, one of the older soft drinks manufacturers in the uk. right now, in this absolute chaos, it's a political pantomime. when you are in the reality of it, right in the heart of it, trying to run a business and maintain it on a daily basis, it's almost impossible. your costs, bid costs? _ basis, it's almost impossible. your costs, bid costs? they've - basis, it's almost impossible. your costs, bid costs? they've gone - basis, it's almost impossible. your costs, bid costs? they've gone up| basis, it's almost impossible. your l costs, bid costs? they've gone up by 5096 in the last _ costs, bid costs? they've gone up by sex. in the last 12 _ costs, bid costs? they've gone up by sex. in the last 12 months _ costs, bid costs? they've gone up by 5096 in the last 12 months and - costs, bid costs? they've gone up by 5096 in the last 12 months and that l 50% in the last 12 months and that is not sustainable. there is only so much you can do to pass on to your customers, which in turn need to try and pass on to the consumer. fitnd and pass on to the consumer. and what are the _ and pass on to the consumer. and what are the big items that have gone up that are necessary for the proper functioning gone up that are necessary for the properfunctioning of your gone up that are necessary for the proper functioning of your business? everything starts with electricity for us. energy four is not my electricity went from 12p to a kilowatt to 49p a kilo in the space of less than 12 months and that is unsustainable. electricity then has the knock on to our raw materials that we buy because they need energy to manufacture. so hence why my materials now have gone up by an average of 50, sometimes 60%. c02, i

can't even get my hands on right now, which isjust generated down the road in teesside. it's gone up from £132 a tonne in september last year to £1500 a tonne and that is not sustainable.— year to £1500 a tonne and that is not sustainable. when you say it's unsustainable, _ not sustainable. when you say it's unsustainable, what _ not sustainable. when you say it's unsustainable, what does - not sustainable. when you say it's unsustainable, what does that - not sustainable. when you say it's - unsustainable, what does that mean? it means that what i need to do is maintain the security, the job security, the financial viability for this business for the long term, to last another 137 years. but i'm heavily reliant on my customer base but also our workforce to help us get there. but also our workforce to help us let there. ~ ., ., ,., but also our workforce to help us let there. ~ ., ., i. ., ,, , get there. what about your workers, iaettin get there. what about your workers, getting people _ get there. what about your workers, getting people to _ get there. what about your workers, getting people to do _ get there. what about your workers, getting people to do the _ get there. what about your workers, getting people to do the job? - get there. what about your workers, getting people to do the job? we . getting people to do the job? a struggle in certain areas. i think obviously coming out of the pandemic changed the whole labour market situation. i think brexit definitely has had an impact as well. so we struggle with manufacturing teams, bringing in operatives, engineers for shift working. it is really challenging. we have a much higher level of attrition now than we ever had. we've always prided ourselves

on a turnover of about 2%, now we find it very difficult to attract, no matter what package we are offering. so itjust exacerbates the challenge we have. share offering. so it just exacerbates the challenge we have.— offering. so it just exacerbates the challenge we have. are you going to sta in challenge we have. are you going to stay in business? _ challenge we have. are you going to stay in business? we _ challenge we have. are you going to stay in business? we are, _ challenge we have. are you going to stay in business? we are, we - challenge we have. are you going to stay in business? we are, we are. l challenge we have. are you going to l stay in business? we are, we are. we have fantastic — stay in business? we are, we are. we have fantastic support, _ stay in business? we are, we are. we have fantastic support, fantastic - have fantastic support, fantastic support from our investors, our bank and more importantly from the local community as well. {elite and more importantly from the local community as well.— community as well. give us a signal drink community as well. give us a signal dnnk ou community as well. give us a signal drink you make. _ community as well. give us a signal drink you make. perfectly _ community as well. give us a signal drink you make. perfectly clear. . community as well. give us a signal drink you make. perfectly clear. ifi drink you make. perfectly clear. if onl it drink you make. perfectly clear. if only it was- _ drink you make. perfectly clear. if only it was. flavoured _ drink you make. perfectly clear. if only it was. flavoured spring - drink you make. perfectly clear. if. only it was. flavoured spring water, ou can only it was. flavoured spring water, you can get — only it was. flavoured spring water, you can get it _ only it was. flavoured spring water, you can get it on — only it was. flavoured spring water, you can get it on the _ only it was. flavoured spring water, you can get it on the shelves - only it was. flavoured spring water, you can get it on the shelves in - you can get it on the shelves in tesco and sainsbury and everything. what a disgraceful thing for the bbc business! goodness may... get it in there. applause all credit to you for that. another word from andrea and then i will be with you, john. i want to hear all the voices. with you, john. i want to hear all the voices-— with you, john. i want to hear all the voices. from the nonpolitical side, the voices. from the nonpolitical side. mick _ the voices. from the nonpolitical side, mick supports _ the voices. from the nonpolitical side, mick supports our - the voices. from the nonpolitical side, mick supports our soup - the voices. from the nonpolitical - side, mick supports our soup kitchen was that— side, mick supports our soup kitchen was that he — side, mick supports our soup kitchen was that he is struggling like every other— was that he is struggling like every other organisation but you make sure poor people _ other organisation but you make sure poor people are looked after. applause

judy. applause judy, did you want to say something? it is no denying that the country is generally in an awful mess but i feel that the population and the working population could actually do more to help the national cause. at the moment, we have various factions going on strike and demanding inflation busting wage rises, which as we have heard, it's not helping businesses, it's not helping the country in general. i think people need to... d0 country in general. i think people need to- - -— country in general. i think people needto... ,, i, ., need to... do you think they should not be on strike? _ need to... do you think they should not be on strike? they _ need to... do you think they should not be on strike? they shouldn't, . need to... do you think they should not be on strike? they shouldn't, i | not be on strike? they shouldn't, i think we need _ not be on strike? they shouldn't, i think we need to _ not be on strike? they shouldn't, i think we need to be _ not be on strike? they shouldn't, i think we need to be realistic - not be on strike? they shouldn't, i think we need to be realistic aboutj think we need to be realistic about the kind of pay rises people can expect. this is particularly poignant at the moment when they are actually talking about nurses are striking. there is absolutely no way on this earth i would ever even contemplate such a thing as a nurse. i didn't go into nursing for money. so is striking irresponsible at this time? i so is striking irresponsible at this time? ~ , so is striking irresponsible at this time?_ susan? - so is striking irresponsible at this time?_ susan? given | time? ithink it is. susan? given the way things — time? ithink it is. susan? given the way things are, _ time? ithink it is. susan? given the way things are, when - time? ithink it is. susan? givenj the way things are, when people

time? ithink it is. susan? given - the way things are, when people have to get— the way things are, when people have to get to _ the way things are, when people have to get to work — the way things are, when people have to get to work as _ the way things are, when people have to get to work as well, _ the way things are, when people have to get to work as well, that _ the way things are, when people have to get to work as well, that means - to get to work as well, that means it is impacting _ to get to work as well, that means it is impacting on _ to get to work as well, that means it is impacting on what _ to get to work as well, that means it is impacting on what they- to get to work as well, that means it is impacting on what they are . it is impacting on what they are getting. — it is impacting on what they are getting. their— it is impacting on what they are getting, their earnings, - it is impacting on what they are getting, their earnings, as- it is impacting on what they are getting, their earnings, as far. it is impacting on what they are i getting, their earnings, as faras what _ getting, their earnings, as faras what they— getting, their earnings, as faras what they have _ getting, their earnings, as faras what they have been _ getting, their earnings, as faras what they have been able - getting, their earnings, as faras what they have been able to - getting, their earnings, as faras what they have been able to get| getting, their earnings, as far as- what they have been able to get from a to b— what they have been able to get from a to b and _ what they have been able to get from a to b and if— what they have been able to get from a to b and ifthey— what they have been able to get from a to b and if they haven't _ what they have been able to get from a to b and if they haven't got - what they have been able to get from a to b and if they haven't got the - a to b and if they haven't got the money— a to b and if they haven't got the money to— a to b and if they haven't got the money to b — a to b and if they haven't got the money to b by— a to b and if they haven't got the money to b by way— a to b and if they haven't got the money to b by way of _ a to b and if they haven't got the money to b by way of what - a to b and if they haven't got the money to b by way of what they. a to b and if they haven't got the . money to b by way of what they are getting. _ money to b by way of what they are getting. however— money to b by way of what they are getting, however they _ money to b by way of what they are getting, however they supposed - money to b by way of what they are getting, however they supposed toi getting, however they supposed to -et getting, however they supposed to get there? — getting, however they supposed to get there? and _ getting, however they supposed to get there? and plus, _ getting, however they supposed to get there? and plus, i— getting, however they supposed to get there? and plus, i would - getting, however they supposed to get there? and plus, i would also. get there? and plus, i would also say to— get there? and plus, i would also say to you — get there? and plus, i would also say to you as— get there? and plus, i would also say to you as well— get there? and plus, i would also say to you as well that _ get there? and plus, i would also say to you as well that those - say to you as well that those nurses. _ say to you as well that those nurses. you _ say to you as well that those nurses, you nurses- say to you as well that those nurses, you nurses do- say to you as well that those nurses, you nurses do on. say to you as well that those nurses, you nurses do on a i say to you as well that those - nurses, you nurses do on a amazing 'ob nurses, you nurses do on a amazing job in— nurses, you nurses do on a amazing job in the _ nurses, you nurses do on a amazing job in the pandemic. _ nurses, you nurses do on a amazing job in the pandemic, every- nurses, you nurses do on a amazing job in the pandemic, every pot - nurses, you nurses do on a amazing job in the pandemic, every pot body pulled _ job in the pandemic, every pot body pulled everything _ job in the pandemic, every pot body pulled everything out _ job in the pandemic, every pot body pulled everything out of _ job in the pandemic, every pot body pulled everything out of the - pulled everything out of the pandemic _ pulled everything out of the pandemic. everyone - pulled everything out of the l pandemic. everyone deserves pulled everything out of the - pandemic. everyone deserves a pulled everything out of the _ pandemic. everyone deserves a decent standard _ pandemic. everyone deserves a decent standard of— pandemic. everyone deserves a decent standard of living _ pandemic. everyone deserves a decent standard of living and _ pandemic. everyone deserves a decent standard of living and deserve - pandemic. everyone deserves a decent standard of living and deserve to - standard of living and deserve to make _ standard of living and deserve to make and — standard of living and deserve to make and happiness— standard of living and deserve to make and happiness playing - standard of living and deserve to make and happiness playing but| standard of living and deserve to i make and happiness playing but in standard of living and deserve to - make and happiness playing but in a respectful— make and happiness playing but in a respectful way — make and happiness playing but in a respectful way life _ make and happiness playing but in a respectful way life is— make and happiness playing but in a respectful way life is that _ make and happiness playing but in a respectful way life is that if - make and happiness playing but in a respectful way life is that if you - respectful way life is that if you are saying _ respectful way life is that if you are saying they— respectful way life is that if you are saying they shouldn't - respectful way life is that if you are saying they shouldn't go . respectful way life is that if you are saying they shouldn't go on strike. — are saying they shouldn't go on strike. try— are saying they shouldn't go on strike, try telling _ are saying they shouldn't go on strike, try telling it _ are saying they shouldn't go on strike, try telling it to - are saying they shouldn't go on strike, try telling it to the - are saying they shouldn't go on strike, try telling it to the train| strike, try telling it to the train drivers— strike, try telling it to the train drivers and _ strike, try telling it to the train drivers and rail— strike, try telling it to the train drivers and rail workers - strike, try telling it to the train drivers and rail workers who . strike, try telling it to the trainl drivers and rail workers who are strike, try telling it to the train - drivers and rail workers who are now fearing _ drivers and rail workers who are now fearing losing — drivers and rail workers who are now fearing losing their— drivers and rail workers who are now fearing losing theirjobs. _ drivers and rail workers who are now fearing losing theirjobs. leil- drivers and rail workers who are now fearing losing theirjobs.— fearing losing their 'obs. let judy come back. h fearing losing theirjobs. let judy come back. because _ fearing losing theirjobs. let judy come back. because of— fearing losing theirjobs. let judy come back. because of that - fearing losing theirjobs. let judy . come back. because of that dreadful word rationalisation. applause - word rationalisation. applause as a person _ word rationalisation. applause as a person of— word rationalisation. applause as a person of a _ word rationalisation. applause as a person of a certain - word rationalisation. applause as a person of a certain age. . word rationalisation. applause. as a person of a certain age. the

same age _ as a person of a certain age. the same age as _ as a person of a certain age. the same age as me, _ as a person of a certain age. the same age as me, what _ as a person of a certain age. the same age as me, what are - as a person of a certain age. the same age as me, what are you l as a person of a certain age. the - same age as me, what are you talking about! i same age as me, what are you talking about! ., ., ., , ., about! i have already lived through this process _ about! i have already lived through this process in _ about! i have already lived through this process in the _ about! i have already lived through this process in the 70s _ about! i have already lived through this process in the 70s and - about! i have already lived through this process in the 70s and 80s, i this process in the 70s and 80s, where there were lots of strikes, the miners went on strike, they were spiralling wages and itjust fuelled information and it doesn't help in the long term. i do sympathise absolutely with people on low incomes and people who are struggling but moderation in all things. it is unrealistic to expect to pay rises of 10% when the country is in the state is. to pay rises of 1096 when the country is in the state is.— is in the state is. which is what andrew bailey _ is in the state is. which is what andrew bailey not _ is in the state is. which is what andrew bailey not so _ is in the state is. which is what andrew bailey not so long - is in the state is. which is whatj andrew bailey not so long ago, is in the state is. which is what - andrew bailey not so long ago, the governor of the bank of england, was saying. john mccabe from the chamber of commerce. hello, john. challenging times, difficult times, interesting times, terrible times for people. interesting times, terrible times for people-— interesting times, terrible times for eole. . , ., ., , '. for people. exceptionally difficult and we have _ for people. exceptionally difficult and we have already _ for people. exceptionally difficult and we have already heard - for people. exceptionally difficult and we have already heard the i for people. exceptionally difficult l and we have already heard the cost of doing _ and we have already heard the cost of doing business crisis our members are talking _ of doing business crisis our members are talking to us about every day, all across — are talking to us about every day, all across the north—east. our brilliant — all across the north—east. our brilliant businesses in the north—east have come through the crust _ north—east have come through the crust and — north—east have come through the crust and the complexity and uncertainty of brexit, they have come _ uncertainty of brexit, they have come through the pandemic and now

they are _ come through the pandemic and now they are dealing with this terrible cost of— they are dealing with this terrible cost of doing business crisis was that there — cost of doing business crisis was that there are no easy solutions to this but— that there are no easy solutions to this but there are things government can do— this but there are things government can do pretty quickly that don't necessarily cast a huge amount but a hu-e necessarily cast a huge amount but a huge burden on the public purse. for ekample. _ huge burden on the public purse. for example, government can start to review — example, government can start to review business rates. we have seen inflationary— review business rates. we have seen inflationary figures for september coming _ inflationary figures for september coming out today... inflationary figures for september coming out today. . ._ coming out today... applause fi . ures coming out today... applause figures coming _ coming out today... applause figures coming out _ coming out today. .. applause figures coming out of- coming out today... applause figures coming out of 1096. - coming out today... applause - figures coming out of 1096. business figures coming out of 10%. business rates _ figures coming out of 10%. business rates are _ figures coming out of 10%. business rates are calculated and new rates come _ rates are calculated and new rates come into — rates are calculated and new rates come into effect from april and the april increase is based on whatever the september inflationary rate was. without _ the september inflationary rate was. without business rates reform, businesses will be facing an extra 10% based on the figures when new bills come — 10% based on the figures when new bills come in in april. what 1096 based on the figures when new bills come in in april.— bills come in in april. what about strikina ? bills come in in april. what about striking? what _ bills come in in april. what about striking? what we _ bills come in in april. what about striking? what we need - bills come in in april. what about striking? what we need is - bills come in in april. what about striking? what we need is not. bills come in in april. what about | striking? what we need is notjust bills come in in april. what about i striking? what we need is notjust a striking? what we need is not 'ust a stronier striking? what we need is not 'ust a stronger economy - striking? what we need is not 'ust a stronger economy certainly - striking? what we need is notjust a stronger economy certainly here - striking? what we need is notjust a stronger economy certainly here in l stronger economy certainly here in the north—east but a more inclusive economy~ _ the north-east but a more inclusive econom . ., ,., economy. can the government accede to all those pay _ economy. can the government accede to all those pay demands? _ economy. can the government accede to all those pay demands? we - economy. can the government accede to all those pay demands? we need i economy. can the government accede to all those pay demands? we need a | to all those pay demands? we need a more inclusive _ to all those pay demands? we need a more inclusive economy _ to all those pay demands? we need a more inclusive economy where - more inclusive economy where everyone — more inclusive economy where everyone can play their part, everyone _ everyone can play their part, everyone deserves a fair wage for a third day's— everyone deserves a fair wage for a third day's work.—

third day's work. what does that mean, third day's work. what does that mean. yes _ third day's work. what does that mean. yes or — third day's work. what does that mean, yes or no _ third day's work. what does that mean, yes or no on _ third day's work. what does that mean, yes or no on the - third day's work. what does that mean, yes or no on the strikes? j mean, yes or no on the strikes? other leavers government can pull that they— other leavers government can pull that they have at their disposal, for example on childcare costs. we know _ for example on childcare costs. we know childcare costs right now are prohibitive, they prevent particularly young parents from entering — particularly young parents from entering or re—entering the jobs market~ — entering or re—entering the jobs market. so if we're going to turn this problem around, we have to do it by supporting our businesses to grow— it by supporting our businesses to grow and — it by supporting our businesses to grow and to create more and better 'obs grow and to create more and better jobs and _ grow and to create more and better jobs and away we will do that is by supporting — jobs and away we will do that is by supporting those businesses, by enabling — supporting those businesses, by enabling them to grow and that is how we _ enabling them to grow and that is how we will grow the economy. there is a nu how we will grow the economy. there is a guy behind _ how we will grow the economy. there is a guy behind you — how we will grow the economy. there is a guy behind you with _ how we will grow the economy. there is a guy behind you with your - how we will grow the economy. liner is a guy behind you with your hand up is a guy behind you with your hand up for ages and i will come to you injust a second. up for ages and i will come to you in just a second. over there with the nice shirt on.— the nice shirt on. three along. i don't think— the nice shirt on. three along. i don't think people _ the nice shirt on. three along. i don't think people can - the nice shirt on. three along. i don't think people can afford . the nice shirt on. three along. i don't think people can afford to | don't think people can afford to wait for the economy in the long term to stabilise. i think that they need to take drastic action because they can't even afford to do basic things. if they don't strike, then they are not going to be heard and they are not going to be heard and the economy won't help them. i mean, they can't wait for six months or however long for them to actually

get a fair wage because in that time, you know, who knows what could have happened, it could get worse. who thinks there should be a people who are on strike at the men should hold their fire at the moment? put your hand up if you think they should look at the situation and say... should look at the situation and sa ., ., , ~ say... yeah? personally i think strikina say... yeah? personally i think striking at _ say... yeah? personally i think striking at the _ say... yeah? personally i think striking at the moment - say... yeah? personally i think striking at the moment is - say... yeah? personally i think. striking at the moment is terrible. it's striking at the moment is terrible. it's a _ striking at the moment is terrible. it's a slap — striking at the moment is terrible. it's a slap in— striking at the moment is terrible. it's a slap in the _ striking at the moment is terrible. it's a slap in the face _ striking at the moment is terrible. it's a slap in the face to— striking at the moment is terrible. it's a slap in the face to people . it's a slap in the face to people who— it's a slap in the face to people who are — it's a slap in the face to people who are on _ it's a slap in the face to people who are on salaries _ it's a slap in the face to people who are on salaries of - it's a slap in the face to people who are on salaries of less - it's a slap in the face to people | who are on salaries of less than £20.000 — who are on salaries of less than £20.000 a _ who are on salaries of less than £20,000 a year. _ who are on salaries of less than £20,000 a year. train- who are on salaries of less than . £20,000 a year. train conductors who are on salaries of less than - £20,000 a year. train conductors and drivers— £20,000 a year. train conductors and drivers are _ £20,000 a year. train conductors and drivers are on— £20,000 a year. train conductors and drivers are on salaries _ £20,000 a year. train conductors and drivers are on salaries of _ £20,000 a year. train conductors and drivers are on salaries of over- drivers are on salaries of over £70,000 _ drivers are on salaries of over £70,000 a _ drivers are on salaries of over £70,000 a year— drivers are on salaries of over £70,000 a year for— drivers are on salaries of over £70,000 a year for is- drivers are on salaries of over £70,000 a year for is that . drivers are on salaries of over. £70,000 a year for is that there drivers are on salaries of over- £70,000 a year for is that there are people _ £70,000 a year for is that there are people in— £70,000 a year for is that there are people in this — £70,000 a year for is that there are people in this audience _ £70,000 a year for is that there are people in this audience right - £70,000 a year for is that there are people in this audience right now . people in this audience right now who are — people in this audience right now who are making _ people in this audience right now who are making less _ people in this audience right now who are making less and - people in this audience right now who are making less and i- people in this audience right now who are making less and ijust . people in this audience right now . who are making less and ijust think that is— who are making less and ijust think that is a _ who are making less and ijust think that is a joke — who are making less and ijust think that is a joke. personally, _ who are making less and ijust think that is a joke. personally, i- who are making less and ijust think that is a joke. personally, i think. that is a joke. personally, i think the cost — that is a joke. personally, i think the cost of— that is a joke. personally, i think the cost of living _ that is a joke. personally, i think the cost of living right _ that is a joke. personally, i think the cost of living right now, - that is a joke. personally, i think. the cost of living right now, people like nurses— the cost of living right now, people like nurses as _ the cost of living right now, people like nurses as well. _ the cost of living right now, people like nurses as well. i— the cost of living right now, people like nurses as well. i think - the cost of living right now, people like nurses as well. i think they. like nurses as well. i think they are not— like nurses as well. i think they are not getting _ like nurses as well. i think they are not getting paid _ like nurses as well. i think they are not getting paid enough- like nurses as well. i think they are not getting paid enough ofi like nurses as well. i think they- are not getting paid enough of what they do— are not getting paid enough of what they do for— are not getting paid enough of what they do for the _ are not getting paid enough of what they do for the public. _ are not getting paid enough of what they do for the public. i _ are not getting paid enough of what they do for the public. i think- are not getting paid enough of what they do for the public. i think they i they do for the public. i think they should _ they do for the public. i think they should hold — they do for the public. i think they should hold strikes _ they do for the public. i think they should hold strikes now— they do for the public. i think they should hold strikes now and - they do for the public. i think they should hold strikes now and get. they do for the public. i think they should hold strikes now and get it| should hold strikes now and get it under— should hold strikes now and get it under control. _ should hold strikes now and get it under control.— should hold strikes now and get it under control.- i _ should hold strikes now and get it under control. yes? i want - should hold strikes now and get it under control. yes? i want to - should hold strikes now and get it under control. yes? i want to say| under control. yes? i want to say there are — under control. yes? i want to say there are certain _ under control. yes? i want to say there are certain sections - under control. yes? i want to say there are certain sections in - there are certain sections in society like the fire service, the police service and nursing staff, they should never be allowed to

strike. i would like to make one point. there has not been enough said today about support for what the government have done for people in this country. i accept that everybody is an individual, everybody is an individual, everybody has struggles and strife. i am a pensioner, i am on benefits. how do you feel about the triple pension not going? we how do you feel about the triple pension not going?— how do you feel about the triple pension not going? we don't know what will happen. _ pension not going? we don't know what will happen. if _ pension not going? we don't know what will happen. if it _ pension not going? we don't know what will happen. if it does - pension not going? we don't know what will happen. if it does go - pension not going? we don't know what will happen. if it does go and is not in what will happen. if it does go and is rrot in line _ what will happen. if it does go and is not in line for— what will happen. if it does go and is not in line for inflation? - what will happen. if it does go and is not in line for inflation? can - what will happen. if it does go and is not in line for inflation? can i . is not in line for inflation? can i 'ust sa is not in line for inflation? can i just say what — is not in line for inflation? can i just say what i'm _ is not in line for inflation? can i just say what i'm grateful - is not in line for inflation? can i just say what i'm grateful for? l is not in line for inflation? can i i just say what i'm grateful for? i'm grateful £650 was given out injuly, half of it, 326 is given out, the other 324 comes out on the 8th of november. there is another £300 on top of the winter fuel allowance, thatis top of the winter fuel allowance, that is £500. if you are over 80 can you get £600. i have switched to variable account on my energy. my bill came to £67, my bill actually was zero because the government gave me £66. 50 was zero because the government gave me £66. ,, was zero because the government gave me £66, ., was zero because the government gave me £66. i. ., ., was zero because the government gave me £66. , ., ., ., ., me £66. so you are grateful that? grateful for _ me £66. so you are grateful that? grateful for what _ me £66. so you are grateful that? grateful for what the government | me £66. so you are grateful that? . grateful for what the government are doing, there are struggles and i accept that. everybody is different but i think there should be someone who says they are grateful for what

the government are doing for certain sections of society. you the government are doing for certain sections of society.— sections of society. you have said it, thank sections of society. you have said it. thank you _ sections of society. you have said it, thank you very _ sections of society. you have said it, thank you very much _ sections of society. you have said it, thank you very much indeed. i it, thank you very much indeed. kevin, i will come over here, a taxi driver and a doctor over here. i haven't come to you yet but i will do so. kevin peachey, from the bbc, remind people what you do and who you are. i remind people what you do and who ou are. ., .,. , you are. i am kevin peachey, the cost of living _ you are. i am kevin peachey, the cost of living correspondent - cost of living correspondent covering _ cost of living correspondent covering all aspects of personal finance — covering all aspects of personal finance. , , _ covering all aspects of personal finance. ,, , . ~' covering all aspects of personal finance. ,, , . ~ it finance. life is busy. striking? it is. there finance. life is busy. striking? it is- there is _ finance. life is busy. striking? it is. there is a _ finance. life is busy. striking? it is. there is a lot _ finance. life is busy. striking? it is. there is a lot of— finance. life is busy. striking? it is. there is a lot of debate - finance. life is busy. striking? it is. there is a lot of debate overl is. there is a lot of debate over wages. — is. there is a lot of debate over wages. how— is. there is a lot of debate over wages, how that affects inflation. if wages, how that affects inflation. if think— wages, how that affects inflation. if think if— wages, how that affects inflation. if think if we take a step back and look at _ if think if we take a step back and look at some of the context here with the — look at some of the context here with the rising cost of living, we conducted — with the rising cost of living, we conducted a survey for the bbc of 4000 _ conducted a survey for the bbc of 4000 people and it found that 85% of those asked were worried about their finances _ those asked were worried about their finances. 56% said they thought their— finances. 56% said they thought their financial situation would worsen~ — their financial situation would worsen. now you compare that to a similar— worsen. now you compare that to a similar survey back in january,

worsen. now you compare that to a similar survey back injanuary, then it was— similar survey back injanuary, then it was 30% — similar survey back injanuary, then it was 30% then. so you can see people's— it was 30% then. so you can see people's concerns are rising. we heard _ people's concerns are rising. we heard from — people's concerns are rising. we heard from carla and amanda, ijust want _ heard from carla and amanda, ijust want to— heard from carla and amanda, ijust want to reassure them they are not in an— want to reassure them they are not in an isolated situation here. and everybody — in an isolated situation here. and everybody here today is not isolated because _ everybody here today is not isolated because it _ everybody here today is not isolated because it is a national issue. we are all in this _ because it is a national issue. a are all in this together but not in are all in this together but not in a good way? for are all in this together but not in a good way?— are all in this together but not in aaoodwa ? ., ., , ., ., a good way? for example, nine out of ten of those — a good way? for example, nine out of ten of those asked _ a good way? for example, nine out of ten of those asked in _ a good way? for example, nine out of ten of those asked in our— a good way? for example, nine out of ten of those asked in our survey - ten of those asked in our survey said they— ten of those asked in our survey said they were delaying putting on the heating, something that carla mentioned. i the heating, something that carla mentioned. ., �* , , . mentioned. i don't put my heating on. like i mentioned. i don't put my heating on- like i say. _ mentioned. i don't put my heating on. like i say, because— mentioned. i don't put my heating on. like i say, because i've - mentioned. i don't put my heating on. like i say, because i've got... | on. like i say, because i've got... as the _ on. like i say, because i've got... as the gentlemen _ on. like i say, because i've got... as the gentlemen were _ on. like i say, because i've got... as the gentlemen were saying - on. like i say, because i've got... . as the gentlemen were saying about getting _ as the gentlemen were saying about getting the _ as the gentlemen were saying about getting the extra _ as the gentlemen were saying about getting the extra money— as the gentlemen were saying about getting the extra money and - getting the extra money and everything. _ getting the extra money and everything, thank— getting the extra money and everything, thank god - getting the extra money and everything, thank god for. getting the extra money and . everything, thank god for that, thank— everything, thank god for that, thank the — everything, thank god for that, thank the government - everything, thank god for that, thank the government for- everything, thank god for that, thank the government for that i thank the government for that because — thank the government for that because the _ thank the government for that because the thing _ thank the government for that because the thing is, - thank the government for that - because the thing is, otherwise... i would _ because the thing is, otherwise... i would be _ because the thing is, otherwise... i would be up — because the thing is, otherwise... i would be up the _ because the thing is, otherwise... i would be up the creek— because the thing is, otherwise... i would be up the creek without - because the thing is, otherwise... i would be up the creek without a - would be up the creek without a paddle — would be up the creek without a addle. ., ., , . ,, ., paddle. the famous creek, what ha--ens paddle. the famous creek, what happens when — paddle. the famous creek, what happens when it _ paddle. the famous creek, what happens when it gets _ paddle. the famous creek, what happens when it gets really - paddle. the famous creek, what. happens when it gets really cold? i will carry my little heat around

wherever — will carry my little heat around wherever i _ will carry my little heat around wherever i am _ will carry my little heat around wherever i am or— will carry my little heat around wherever i am or get- will carry my little heat around wherever i am or get into - will carry my little heat around wherever i am or get into bedl will carry my little heat around i wherever i am or get into bed or read _ wherever i am or get into bed or read my— wherever i am or get into bed or read my book— wherever i am or get into bed or read my book or— wherever i am or get into bed or read my book or whatever. - wherever i am or get into bed or read my book or whatever. i- wherever i am or get into bed or. read my book or whatever. i don't even _ read my book or whatever. i don't even put — read my book or whatever. i don't even put the _ read my book or whatever. i don't even put the tv— read my book or whatever. i don't even put the tv on _ read my book or whatever. i don't even put the tv on because - read my book or whatever. i don't even put the tv on because i- read my book or whatever. i don't| even put the tv on because i can't afford _ even put the tv on because i can't afford it— even put the tv on because i can't afford it at— even put the tv on because i can't afford it at the _ even put the tv on because i can't afford it at the moment. _ even put the tv on because i can't afford it at the moment. you - even put the tv on because i can't. afford it at the moment. you know, it's~~~ _ afford it at the moment. you know, it's~~~ it's~~ — afford it at the moment. you know, it's--- it's---— it's. .. it's. .. was that your expectation _ it's. .. it's. .. was that your expectation when - it's. .. it's. .. was that your expectation when you - it's. .. it's. .. was that your expectation when you are | it's. .. it's. .. was that your - expectation when you are going to retire or did you expect to retire comfortably, with some dignity? did you expect to be carrying a heater around your room? iilo. you expect to be carrying a heater around your room? irla. not turning around your room? no. not turning our tv around your room? no. not turning your tv on, a lady on the tv talked about not putting her cattle on and it's crazy because the people are making excuses for the government. i take... �* . . take... applause people _ take. . . applause people are - take... applausel people are saying, take... applause - people are saying, ok, take... applause _ people are saying, ok, great, take... applause — people are saying, ok, great, you've given us £300. it's my £300, my money you have given me. it has not come out of thin air somewhere. that come out of thin air somewhere. at least you getting some money. come out of thin air somewhere. at| least you getting some money. they are not least you getting some money. they are rrot giving _ least you getting some money. they are rrot giving it _ least you getting some money. they are not giving it to _ least you getting some money. tue: are not giving it to me, it's least you getting some money. tue:1: are not giving it to me, it's my money and it's your money, it is everybody�*s money, it's not been

given out of thin air somewhere. but ou are given out of thin air somewhere. but you are getting help or people are getting _ you are getting help or people are getting help, there is help out there — getting help, there is help out there. �* ., , ., , ., . there. but not help for everyone. an example- -- — there. but not help for everyone. an example- -- my _ there. but not help for everyone. an example... my benefits _ there. but not help for everyone. an example... my benefits are - there. but not help for everyone. an l example... my benefits are going up. it is a mass — example... my benefits are going up. it is a mass amount _ example. .. my benefits are going up. it is a mass amount of— example... my benefits are going up. it is a mass amount of people. - example. .. my benefits are going up. it is a mass amount of people. i - it is a mass amount of people. i said there were individual cases. there _ said there were individual cases. there are — said there were individual cases. there are a _ said there were individual cases. there are a massive amount of people, tory councillors and the tory mp was on because the people inside it think it's all about people on benefits, ok? i like to think i'm a professional, i have a decent salary, i'm petrified about my bills. i got my £200 a