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this is all very exciting. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us more. am i allowed to be this qui full? well, i am! am i allowed to be this qui full? well, iam! —— gleeful. with me are parliamentary journalist, tony grew, and chief political correspondent at the telegraph. we could not have two better guess tonight. the front pages haven't arrived! it's all a bit last minute.
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all of the front pages were probably out of date by the time we received them. they're still warm up the printer. camilla and tony, just give me an overview of what we've been through in the last week in british politics. i in the last week in british olitics. ~' ., in the last week in british olitics. ~ ., ., , ., , , politics. i think more has happened in the last week _ politics. i think more has happened in the last week than _ politics. i think more has happened in the last week than would - in the last week than would normally happen over a period of months or years. it feels like it's been such a roller coaster. we had the resignation of liz truss as prime minister only the last few days, saying she wasn't able to deliver the mandate on which she was elected, so she spoken to his majesty the king and handed in her resignation and said she'll stay as prime minister until such a time as prime minister until such a time a new prime minister is in place. we then heard from sir graham brady about the rules of this leadership contest, which was drawn up hastily, and it was drawn up so the new prime minister could be in place as soon
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as possible. this is a very quick time frame for a leadership election, just six days from start to finished. they were quite a few candidates who would be thrown out of the ring. we then had just today, rishi sunak declaring his bid after penny mourdant, and this evening, borisjohnson declared he wasn't going to stand after all, insisting he did have over 100 mp nominations, but felt it wasn't in the best interest of the party. an absolute whirlwind of a few days, but i think that brings you up to speed. trier? that brings you up to speed. very aood that brings you up to speed. very good assessment. tony, what have you been thinking as you been watching it all happen? it has been mercifully fast. it brushes her hair back, doesn't it? is meant so much going on. you're less than impressed judging by your expression.— judging by your expression. what's been happening — judging by your expression. what's been happening as _ judging by your expression. what's been happening as thousands - judging by your expression. what's
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been happening as thousands of i been happening as thousands of pe0ple's— been happening as thousands of people's mortgages going up by hundreds of pounds, and gas prices are out— hundreds of pounds, and gas prices are out of— hundreds of pounds, and gas prices are out of control. the people in this country who looked to the government for guidance have been leftiust_ government for guidance have been leftjust completely government for guidance have been left just completely excluded from this conversation as the tory party once _ this conversation as the tory party once again — this conversation as the tory party once again enters into another brand as who _ once again enters into another brand as who can— once again enters into another brand as who can pick week? frankly, i'm scared _ as who can pick week? frankly, i'm scared for— as who can pick week? frankly, i'm scared for people, disgusted at the conduct _ scared for people, disgusted at the conduct of— scared for people, disgusted at the conduct of some conservative mps. this is— conduct of some conservative mps. this is what— conduct of some conservative mps. this is what they expect from boris johnson _ this is what they expect from boris johnson. misdirection, not quite telling _ johnson. misdirection, not quite telling the truth, getting people's hopes— telling the truth, getting people's hopes up— telling the truth, getting people's hopes up and dashing them at the last minute. it's typical of him, but the — last minute. it's typical of him, but the point is whoever becomes prime _ but the point is whoever becomes prime minister still faces all these years— prime minister still faces all these years i_ prime minister still faces all these years i to — prime minister still faces all these years i to use —— issues. i understand people's excitement, but for millions, they're scared about their_ for millions, they're scared about their futures, and this constant merry—go—round of tory leaders
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horrifies— merry—go—round of tory leaders horrifies me, if i'm frank. merry-go-round of tory leaders horrifies me, if i'm frank. there are quite — horrifies me, if i'm frank. there are quite some _ horrifies me, if i'm frank. there are quite some conservatives i horrifies me, if i'm frank. there . are quite some conservatives we've spoken to across the week who feel appalled at the conduct of their party and wanted all to sort of settled down and send a grown up in. we'll talk about whether they have a grown—up lined up. i'm going to go back to the front pages because we do have them now. the guardian is leading on news we heard in the last hour, boris johnson has announced he will be running in this leadership election. rishi sunak is not a clearfront runner —— borisjohnson won't. the i claimed... similarly, the city a.m. also leading on the breaking boris johnson race and the same story leading the metro, which claimed that boris has bottled it and sunak is on the brink of coming into power. the sun says simply, no, it's
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a no. —— bojo, it's a no. nice ego massage for anybody who finds himself on the front page of the newspapers again. if you'll forgive me, i'll hiuuhliht again. if you'll forgive me, i'll highlight some _ again. if you'll forgive me, i'll highlight some of _ again. if you'll forgive me, i'll highlight some of these. .. - again. if you'll forgive me, i'll highlight some of these. .. i i again. if you'll forgive me, i'll. highlight some of these. .. i have highlight some of these... i have been _ highlight some of these... i have been idly, — highlight some of these... i have been idly, i'm afraid, he hasn't urged — been idly, i'm afraid, he hasn't urged his— been idly, i'm afraid, he hasn't urged his supporters to back any candidates. it's alwaysjust urged his supporters to back any candidates. it's always just about him _ candidates. it's always just about him as— candidates. it's always just about him. as always" i got this but i can't _ him. as always" i got this but i can't tell— him. as always" i got this but i can't tell you their names, iphone back_ can't tell you their names, iphone back to _ can't tell you their names, iphone back to the — can't tell you their names, iphone back to the caribbean where i was inexplicably on all of the —— hoiidax _ inexplicably on all of the —— hoiidax ~_ the ego of this man is absolute shameless. then he wanders off and
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the middle _ shameless. then he wanders off and the middle distance thinking, i'll be back— the middle distance thinking, i'll be back next year. he literally thinks — be back next year. he literally thinks the conservative party and the government exists to feed his ego _ the government exists to feed his ego |_ the government exists to feed his euo. ., the government exists to feed his e i o, ., ., the government exists to feed his euo. . ., , the government exists to feed his ego. i want to pause away from the guardian. ego. i want to pause away from the guardian- i'm _ ego. i want to pause away from the guardian. i'm hearing _ ego. i want to pause away from the guardian. i'm hearing that - ego. i want to pause away from the guardian. i'm hearing that the - guardian. i'm hearing that the telegraph had published nadhim zahawi's boris booster article at a about nine o'clock where it said something along the lines of get ready for boris to point no —— 2.0. it was pulled because nadhim zahawi thought better of it and realised rishi sunak was the man to back. i know we were planning to run something with nadhim zahawi. i think i might have left the office by the time, so i couldn't categorically say what happened, i'm afraid. in the paper, we did have a
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number of senior conservatives coming out for the leadership candidates. 0ur lead was surpassed by the boris johnson candidates. 0ur lead was surpassed by the borisjohnson news, but certainly, it was jeremy by the borisjohnson news, but certainly, it wasjeremy hunt coming out for rishi sunak. we did also have this is a holy piece —— zahawi peace. have this is a holy piece -- zahawi eace. ~ ., �* , have this is a holy piece -- zahawi eace. ~ . h ,, have this is a holy piece -- zahawi eace.~ . �*, , _, ., peace. what's your prediction, how likel will peace. what's your prediction, how likely will be _ peace. what's your prediction, how likely will be a _ peace. what's your prediction, how likely will be a coronation - peace. what's your prediction, how likely will be a coronation rather. likely will be a coronation rather than a contest tomorrow? ii likely will be a coronation rather than a contest tomorrow? if you think about _ than a contest tomorrow? if you think about it _ than a contest tomorrow? if you think about it from _ than a contest tomorrow? if you think about it from penny - than a contest tomorrow? if m. think about it from penny mourdant's think about it from penny mourdant�*s point of view, she's thinking how many of those boris johnson point of view, she's thinking how many of those borisjohnson backers can she mop up. there's all the undeclared mps who haven't said publicly who they're going to vote for, but they are probably going to put their name down for someone. i feel penny is probably thinking, boris, coming out of the campaign is giving her a real boost. a lot of
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people were supporting boris, meaning anyone —— were in the so—called anyone but rishi camp. probably also thinking if i can get into the final two, maybe the members would vote for me. lots of polling show that penny mourdant was very popular, so from her point of view, she's still wanting to hold her cards close to her chest and see how far she gets.— how far she gets. what's your assessment — how far she gets. what's your assessment of _ how far she gets. what's your assessment of it, _ how far she gets. what's your assessment of it, tony, - how far she gets. what's your assessment of it, tony, in - how far she gets. what's your i assessment of it, tony, in terms how far she gets. what's your - assessment of it, tony, in terms of how many more penny mourdant is likely to get the threshold? i’m likely to get the threshold? i'm uuite likely to get the threshold? i'm quite cautious to make predictions because _ because they normally come out to be catastrophically wrong.— catastrophically wrong. laughter i'll uive catastrophically wrong. laughter i'll live it a catastrophically wrong. laughter i'll give it a go! — catastrophically wrong. laughter i'll give it a go! i _ catastrophically wrong. laughter i'll give it a go! i don't _ catastrophically wrong. laughter i'll give it a go! i don't think - catastrophically wrong. laughter i'll give it a go! i don't think she i i'll give it a go! i don't think she has the — i'll give it a go! i don't think she has the momentum and i don't think she's— has the momentum and i don't think she's got — has the momentum and i don't think she's got... she's got maybe 16 hours in — she's got... she's got maybe 16 hours in which she can try and get those people together. we're still talking _ those people together. we're still
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talking about anyone but rishi, this is some _ talking about anyone but rishi, this is some sort of game. this isn't the governments of the country of the most dangerous time we've faced in decades _ most dangerous time we've faced in decades. this isjust about not having — decades. this isjust about not having rishi, and it's almost absurd~ _ having rishi, and it's almost absurd~ i_ having rishi, and it's almost absurd. i suspect she won't get the numbers and i suspect rishi sunak, given— numbers and i suspect rishi sunak, given that _ numbers and i suspect rishi sunak, given that the momentum is going his way, i— given that the momentum is going his way, i would _ given that the momentum is going his way, i would expect would be the kin- way, i would expect would be the king tomorrow evening, but i'm probably— king tomorrow evening, but i'm probably wrong. we king tomorrow evening, but i'm probably wrong-— king tomorrow evening, but i'm probably wrong. we won't hold it auainst probably wrong. we won't hold it against you _ probably wrong. we won't hold it against you if— probably wrong. we won't hold it against you if you _ probably wrong. we won't hold it against you if you are _ probably wrong. we won't hold it against you if you are because i probably wrong. we won't hold it. against you if you are because these are strange times. we'll still invite you back. we love having you on. let's look at the letter i. interviewed sir roger gale last night, and he said if it was mr johnson back on the ticket or in numberten, he johnson back on the ticket or in number ten, he would johnson back on the ticket or in numberten, he would resign johnson back on the ticket or in number ten, he would resign the party. he doesn't think he's a fit person. how many people will have been ganging up on him and saying, "don't... " it's notjust mps, is
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conservative supporting journalist and mp years that would've been saying to him, please don't do this. well, he's not interested in anyone else thinks — well, he's not interested in anyone else thinks. he's only interested in him and _ else thinks. he's only interested in him and sell. i will keep making that point _ him and sell. i will keep making that point. in terms of... nothing has changed. rishi will still inherit— has changed. rishi will still inherit a _ has changed. rishi will still inherit a fractious party, just the same _ inherit a fractious party, just the same li2— inherit a fractious party, just the same liz truss was leading. just the same _ same liz truss was leading. just the same boris — same liz truss was leading. just the same borisjohnson was same liz truss was leading. just the same boris johnson was leading same liz truss was leading. just the same borisjohnson was leading in july. in _ same borisjohnson was leading in july. in that sense, nothing has changed. — july. in that sense, nothing has changed, and if we talk about people bein- changed, and if we talk about people being anyone but rishi, then it makes — being anyone but rishi, then it makes it— being anyone but rishi, then it makes it more difficult for rishi sunak— makes it more difficult for rishi sunak to — makes it more difficult for rishi sunak to bring the party together in any direction. i also know that boris — any direction. i also know that borisjohnson didn't any direction. i also know that boris johnson didn't endorse anybody. that means if you're a hardcore — anybody. that means if you're a hardcore johnson supporter, god help us, that— hardcore johnson supporter, god help us, that means you will be sitting in backbench benches and every time rishi sunak— in backbench benches and every time rishi sunak does anything, you'll 'ust rishi sunak does anything, you'll just say— rishi sunak does anything, you'll just say if— rishi sunak does anything, you'll just say if boris was here, it would've _ just say if boris was here, it would've been very different. first
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of all. _ would've been very different. first of all. he's — would've been very different. first of all, he's got no mandate for the people _ of all, he's got no mandate for the people or— of all, he's got no mandate for the people or party members. i don't think they— people or party members. i don't think they should have any role in picking _ think they should have any role in picking im— think they should have any role in picking. i'mjust think they should have any role in picking. i'm just slightly concerned that we're — picking. i'm just slightly concerned that we're caught up in the moment but we _ that we're caught up in the moment but we haven't realised that nothing has changed in terms of parliamentary party. the same people will be _ parliamentary party. the same people will be screaming at each other and am happy— will be screaming at each other and am happy with ever —— unhappy with whoever is _ am happy with ever —— unhappy with whoever is next. am happy with ever -- unhappy with whoever is next.— whoever is next. they inherited the mandate of— whoever is next. they inherited the mandate of last _ whoever is next. they inherited the mandate of last election _ whoever is next. they inherited the mandate of last election but - whoever is next. they inherited the mandate of last election but they i mandate of last election but they have to not squander it. we keep hearing about the need for unity. i was interviewing quite a lot of conservatives mps on college green on friday. i lose track. i was forcing them, really, to say what the qualities were of the people they weren't supporting. they had a stab at it, but it wasn't very commencing! how unified will the
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party be? i commencing! how unified will the -a be? ~ ., �* , commencing! how unified will the -a be? ,, . �* , , party be? i think what's interesting about rishi sunak, _ party be? i think what's interesting about rishi sunak, particularly - about rishi sunak, particularly today as we have more and more seniorfigures today as we have more and more senior figures announcing who they are getting behind, there are actually quite a few figures on the right of the party, some of the die—hard brexiteer characters, who came after rishi sunak today, same people like suella braverman and steve baker, david davis, all these big figures on the right of the party, all getting behind rishi sunak. i think that in itself is quite telling because in the summer, liz truss was seen as the candidate of the right who mps were getting behind, and rishi was the opposite. now if rishi can garner support of those brexiteers and those on the right, as well as the moderates and one nation mps, i think that in itself shows that he does have a broader party appeal than some of his predecessors. i think that's quite interesting. penny mourdant�*s
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pictures based on her being the unity candidate, whether that's... unity candidate, whether that's. .. that unity candidate, whether that's... that remains to be seen. but i do think from some of the senior figures, we are seeing a bit more hence that there could be slightly better party unity coming down the line. i better party unity coming down the line. ., , ., better party unity coming down the line. . , ., ., better party unity coming down the line. . , . . ., ., ., where my looking? sorry, i'm trying to look on twitter. there we go. this is called the dirty pc folks. this is what we call it. we don't know why. ijust call it. we don't know why. ijust call it. we don't know why. ijust call it that. this is rishi sunak�*s tweet. if the thread because it starts with number one.
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isn't that an appeal, and olive branch in some way, to get boris johnson's supporters on side? iii. branch in some way, to get boris johnson's supporters on side? hi, my name is rishi — johnson's supporters on side? hi, my name is rishi sunak _ johnson's supporters on side? hi, my name is rishi sunak and _ johnson's supporters on side? hi, my name is rishi sunak and seven - johnson's supporters on side? hi, my name is rishi sunak and seven weeks a-o, name is rishi sunak and seven weeks ago, i— name is rishi sunak and seven weeks ago. ithink— name is rishi sunak and seven weeks ago, i think stab the prime minister and the _ ago, i think stab the prime minister and the back and now i'm saying he's the most _ and the back and now i'm saying he's the most honest prime minister we ever had~ _ the most honest prime minister we ever had. does he think people can't remember— ever had. does he think people can't remember what he ever had. does he think people can't rememberwhat he said? ever had. does he think people can't remember what he said? there's no point _ remember what he said? there's no point appealing to johnson because they won't be loyal. this is the point _ they won't be loyal. this is the point of— they won't be loyal. this is the point of trying to get across. the parliamentary party is still in shambles and it will continue to be, any policy— shambles and it will continue to be, any policy that the johnson nights or any— any policy that the johnson nights or any other faction doesn't like, they— or any other faction doesn't like, they will— or any other faction doesn't like, they willjust block it. we've been in the _ they willjust block it. we've been in the situation pretty much since 2016— in the situation pretty much since 2016 -- _
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in the situation pretty much since 2016 —— johnsonites. we're stuck in the mire _ 2016 —— johnsonites. we're stuck in the mire again. we 2016 -- johnsonites. we're stuck in the mire again-— the mire again. we do understand what you're _ the mire again. we do understand what you're saying. _ the mire again. we do understand what you're saying. it's _ the mire again. we do understand what you're saying. it's hard - the mire again. we do understand what you're saying. it's hard not l the mire again. we do understand| what you're saying. it's hard not to understand. you make the point over and over that once the conservative party stops squabbling amongst itself, there's a country to run here. camilla, many people arejust not interested in politics but have maybe been forced to take notice this week really need some big decisions to be made, some cool heads, some grown—ups. how we got them, will they be able to do it? i think that's the massive question, whether a new change in leadership will be enough to get the economy back on track or whether the economic instability, the inflation and all the market turmoil we face is simply an underlying cause that
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no matter what policies we have in

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