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in nearly three months. now on bbc news, tackling climate change. when i was 15, i wasjust discovering the joys of hip—hop and dreaming of playing cricket for england. at the same age, greta thunberg launched an international movement for skipping school. she is not a politician or a scientist, nor is she the first to campaign against climate change. at school, she was bullied for years before being diagnosed with asperger�*s syndrome. in 2018, this swedish schoolgirl found herself hailed as the unlikely voice of global youth. she has become the symbol of a generation which, as she puts it, is not being listened to by older people who won't suffer the consequences of not listening. whether you admire her or
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despair of her, greta thunberg's influence has already been profound. and she is still a teenager. in 2015, the eu and nearly 200 countries signed the paris agreement, tending to limit the global temperature increase this century to 1.5 celsius. greta thunberg has pleaded, reasoned and raged in the face of world leaders to keep their promises. you raged in the face of world leaders to keep their promises.— raged in the face of world leaders to keep their promises. you all come to keep their promises. you all come to us young — to keep their promises. you all come to us young peeple — to keep their promises. you all come to us young people for— to keep their promises. you all come to us young people for hope, - to keep their promises. you all come to us young people for hope, how - to us young people for hope, how dare you! in to us young people for hope, how dare ou! ., , .,, dare you! in doing so, she has become a _ dare you! in doing so, she has become a modern _ dare you! in doing so, she has become a modern icon - dare you! in doing so, she has become a modern icon to - dare you! in doing so, she hasl become a modern icon to some dare you! in doing so, she has- become a modern icon to some and an alarmist pariah to others. she has graced magazine covers and is mobbed like a rock star, while politicians and celebrities align themselves with her to signify their green credentials and opponents regularly send herfamily credentials and opponents regularly send her family death threats. she has now created a group of essays
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written by her and more than 100 experts by way of a toolkit for those concerned about climate change. at 19, greta thunberg is no longer the young schoolgirl bursting onto the world stage. how do she plan to get her message across? and will anybody still listen? and, as an adult, what practical solutions can she offer to back up her demands for the planet? i want to understand how she got here but also explore her plans for the future. both hers and ours. thank you so much for talking to the bbc. i have read your book, i mean, this is a major contribution to debates, both about the science and the politics of global warming. the science and the politics of globalwarming. it the science and the politics of global warming. it is notjust something that focuses on what the science is, it comes up with recommendations for how to go forward. what was your guiding principle when you chose the authors, when you constricted who which contribute? i authors, when you constricted who which contribute?—
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authors, when you constricted who which contribute? i often get asked if i had recommendations _ which contribute? i often get asked if i had recommendations for - which contribute? i often get asked| if i had recommendations for things to read? and things i can watch? because i don't know much about the climate crisis but i want to learn and get involved. and then i can send people a long list, it might could read this which talked about this, then they switch talks about this." and so on. but there was nothing which, in a broader perspective so i wanted to create that because it is very hard to navigate around everything there is on the climate crisis today. i5 navigate around everything there is on the climate crisis today.- on the climate crisis today. is one ofthe on the climate crisis today. is one of the ideas _ on the climate crisis today. is one of the ideas behind _ on the climate crisis today. is one of the ideas behind the _ on the climate crisis today. is one of the ideas behind the book, - on the climate crisis today. is one of the ideas behind the book, one the motivations, that you are moving beyond protests, which are still a big part of what you do, but moving into the world of practical policies? because that seems to be a part of what the book is about. i guess you can do different interpretations of that. i think the biggest project is educational material and to spread awareness. when i started school are striking, it wasn't. .. when i started school are striking, it wasn't... of course it was also
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meant as a kind of protest, but also about spreading information, because i had flyers that i handed out to people with the fact that i had collected. but the processed idea of it was more resonating with people. i want to talk about how you got into this, because i think most people don't know very much about your childhood. a lot of people won't know that you have depression for many years, nearly three years, you didn't say very much and people thought you were mute so you missed a lot of school. severely depressed, do you know what prompted all of that? it do you know what prompted all of that? ., , do you know what prompted all of that? . , ., , , , that? it was many different things, but i think i — that? it was many different things, but i think i was _ that? it was many different things, but i think i wasjust _ that? it was many different things, but i think i wasjust depressed - but i think i was just depressed about the state of the world in general. which, yeah, it feltjust meaningless. fix, general. which, yeah, it felt 'ust meaninglesafi meaningless. a lot of people listeninu meaningless. a lot of people listening to _ meaningless. a lot of people listening to you _ meaningless. a lot of people listening to you who - meaningless. a lot of people listening to you who maybe l meaningless. a lot of people - listening to you who maybe have had childhood mental health problems, depression, will be interested in what happened to help you recover. i
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think the main thing was that i found something that i was passionate about. because today, it feels like so many people lack a sense of purpose and meaning in their life. we arejust sense of purpose and meaning in their life. we are just all going around in this hamster wheel trying to make money, get likes on social media and whatever, which doesn't make you happy. but i and many others found purpose in this fight for climate justice, others found purpose in this fight for climatejustice, because i others found purpose in this fight for climate justice, because i feel like i'm doing something which is meaningful. the like i'm doing something which is meaningful-— like i'm doing something which is meaningful. like i'm doing something which is meaninaful. ., , .,. ., meaningful. the book goes into a lot of detail about _ meaningful. the book goes into a lot of detail about solutions _ meaningful. the book goes into a lot of detail about solutions and - of detail about solutions and practical policies. i want to explore some of your views on some of these complex policy issues, where you do have to make choices and governments have to make choices. i and governments have to make choices. , , . ., ., choices. i pretty much never go into secific choices. i pretty much never go into specific things. _ choices. i pretty much never go into specific things, to _ choices. i pretty much never go into specific things, to talk _ choices. i pretty much never go into specific things, to talk about, - specific things, to talk about, because that distracts from the crisis itself.— because that distracts from the crisis itself. why do you not get into specific— crisis itself. why do you not get into specific things? _ crisis itself. why do you not get into specific things? because, l crisis itself. why do you not get. into specific things? because, as you have, as he will get onto, you have said you are an opponent of nuclear policy...
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have said you are an opponent of nuclear policy. . ._ have said you are an opponent of nuclear policy. . .- have - have said you are an opponent of nuclear policy. . .- have you | nuclear policy... no... have you not? i nuclear policy... no... have you not? i have _ nuclear policy... no... have you not? i have said, _ nuclear policy... no... have you not? i have said, well, - nuclear policy... no... have you not? i have said, well, i - nuclear policy... no... have you not? i have said, well, i try- nuclear policy... no... have you not? i have said, well, i try to i not? i have said, well, i try to stay away _ not? i have said, well, i try to stay away from _ not? i have said, well, i try to stay away from those - not? i have said, well, i try to stay away from those things i not? i have said, well, i try to| stay away from those things as not? i have said, well, i try to - stay away from those things as much as possible. stay away from those things as much as ossible. ~ ., , stay away from those things as much as possible-— as possible. would they distract from the crisis? _ as possible. would they distract from the crisis? with _ as possible. would they distract from the crisis? with your - as possible. would they distract - from the crisis? with your platform, isn't the point of politics that you have to encourage people to choose? that you have to take a position on these things? if you want to solve these things? if you want to solve the climate crisis as a citizen or as a citizen who votes or as a government, you do need to make choices. we government, you do need to make choices. ~ ., ~ government, you do need to make choices. ~ . ~ ., . ., choices. we talked about nuclear ower for choices. we talked about nuclear power for example, _ choices. we talked about nuclear power for example, that - choices. we talked about nuclear power for example, that is - choices. we talked about nuclear - power for example, that is something that which is being used a lot by people to distract, because it is something that people feel so strongly about. so when you talk about it, everyonejust strongly about. so when you talk about it, everyone just runs a do it, and forgets everything around it. �* , �* ., it, and forgets everything around it. �* ,�* ., ., it. but isn't it part of the mix of a ureen it. but isn't it part of the mix of a green agenda? _ it. but isn't it part of the mix of a green agenda? first - it. but isn't it part of the mix of a green agenda? first of - it. but isn't it part of the mix of a green agenda? first of all, i i a green agenda? first of all, i think when — a green agenda? first of all, i think when we _ a green agenda? first of all, i think when we talk _ a green agenda? first of all, i think when we talk about - a green agenda? first of all, i | think when we talk about this, a green agenda? first of all, i i think when we talk about this, it seems like this is one silver bullet that will solve everything. first of all, our energy —related emissions
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are not all of our emissions. secondly, if we were to build and replace all of ourfossil secondly, if we were to build and replace all of our fossil fuel generated energy with nuclear power, we don't have the time to do that. because our c02 budget runs out in less than a decade of current emissions. less than a decade of current emissions-— less than a decade of current emissions. ., ,., , , ., emissions. carbon budgets and limited the _ emissions. carbon budgets and limited the amount _ emissions. carbon budgets and limited the amount of- emissions. carbon budgets and i limited the amount of greenhouse gases a particular country can produce between now and 2050, which is the paris agreement�*s deadline set net to zero. the point at which no new greenhouse gases should be added to the atmosphere. this government, i can hear them now in interviews that i do with them saying "we have an ambitious plan fit net zero by 2050, there is a range of different stuff that we have got to to hit that plan and nuclear as part of it." on that part of it, is it not reasonable to say that activists should say whether they support it or not?— that activists should say whether they support it or not? people can do that if they _ they support it or not? people can do that if they want _ they support it or not? people can do that if they want to, _ they support it or not? people can do that if they want to, if - they support it or not? people can do that if they want to, if i - they support it or not? people can do that if they want to, if i do - they support it or not? people can do that if they want to, if i do it, | do that if they want to, if i do it, people get stuck on that thing. filth.
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people get stuck on that thing. 0h, "greta has people get stuck on that thing. oh, "greta has supported it or not supported it?" iii supported it?" if i talk about nuclear power, _ supported it?" if i talk about nuclear power, people - supported it?" if i talk about nuclear power, people will i supported it?" if i talk about - nuclear power, people will focus on that. do nuclear power, people will focus on that. , ., nuclear power, people will focus on that. ,, . ~' nuclear power, people will focus on that. ., ~ ., nuclear power, people will focus on that. .,~ ., , ., nuclear power, people will focus on that. .,, ., that. do you take a similar approach to other issues, _ that. do you take a similar approach to other issues, not _ that. do you take a similar approach to other issues, not that _ that. do you take a similar approach to other issues, not that the - that. do you take a similar approach to other issues, not that the debate| to other issues, not that the debate isn't settled, like shell gas and fracking? joe biden would say, "when i hear climate change, i'm thinking jobs, jobs, jobs." i hear climate change, i'm thinking jobs. jobs. jobs-"— i hear climate change, i'm thinking jobs, jobs, jobs."- did - i hear climate change, i'm thinking jobs, jobs, jobs."- did i - i hear climate change, i'm thinking jobs, jobs, jobs." sorry! did i say something? _ jobs, jobs, jobs." sorry! did i say something? jobs, _ jobs, jobs, jobs." sorry! did i say something? jobs, jobs, - jobs, jobs, jobs." sorry! did i say something? jobs, jobs, jobs! - jobs, jobs, jobs." sorry! did i say something? jobs, jobs, jobs! it i jobs, jobs, jobs." sorry! did i say| something? jobs, jobs, jobs! it is something? jobs, “obs, “obs! it is 'ust an something? jobs, “obs, “obs! it is just an internal h something? jobs, jobs, “obs! it is just an internaljoke! _ something? jobs, jobs, jobs! it is just an internaljoke! did - something? jobs, jobs, jobs! it is just an internaljoke! did i- something? jobs, jobs, jobs! it is just an internaljoke! did i say - just an internal 'oke! did i say something? — just an internaljoke! did i say something? jobs, _ just an internaljoke! did i say something? jobs, jobs, - just an internaljoke! did i say something? jobs, jobs, jobs, | just an internaljoke! did i say| something? jobs, jobs, jobs, i just an internaljoke! did i say - something? jobs, jobs, jobs, i was something? jobs, jobs, jobs, i was just a channelling joe biden. why is that funny? does that translate into something funny in swedish? you just don't believe it? what is the internaljoke? me don't believe it? what is the internaljoke?— don't believe it? what is the internal 'oke? ~ . , internal 'oke? me and some friends, we 'ust internaljoke? me and some friends, we 'ust sa internaljoke? me and some friends, we just say that _ internaljoke? me and some friends, we just say that sometimes - internaljoke? me and some friends, we just say that sometimes and it i we just say that sometimes and it is really funny. we just say that sometimes and it is really funny-— really funny. jobs, 'obs, 'obs? ok. that is
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really funny. jobs, 'obs, 'obs? ok. that math really funny. jobs, 'obs, 'obs? ok. that is what our i really funny. jobs, jobs, 'obs? ok. that is what our give i really funny. jobs, jobs, jobs? ok. that is what our give me _ really funny. jobs, jobs, jobs? ok. that is what our give me the i really funny. jobs, jobs, jobs? ok. that is what our give me the most | that is what our give me the most powerful man in the world says when people start putting to him the case for shale gas and fracking. he says i have created jobs here, jobs, jobs, jobs there. it will reduce our reliance on oil in the middle east and russian gas. and as part of the mix of getting to net zero by wendy 50, there is renewables, nuclear and shale gas is part of the mix. do you respond to that by saying i will not respond to that by saying i will not respond to that because that is a distraction? doesn't that come to a point where you have to take a view? do you have a view, personally? i don't think shale gas and tracking don't think shale gas and fracking is a transition solution. it locks us further into a fossil dependency. i think we need to move towards real renewable energy, and i think a green revolution foster to say we are less dependent on importing fossilfuels and other are less dependent on importing fossil fuels and other country by producing it yourself is not really a very thought through thing to do, i think. , ., a very thought through thing to do, i think. i. _, i think. one thing you recommend in the book is a free _ i think. one thing you recommend in the book is a free local— i think. one thing you recommend in the book is a free local transport. i the book is a free local transport. as i write, it is one of the low
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hanging fruits and the fact that that has not even been done says a lot about our emissions. hose that has not even been done says a lot about our emissions.— that has not even been done says a lot about our emissions. how do you -a for it? lot about our emissions. how do you pay for it? i'm _ lot about our emissions. how do you pay for it? i'm just — lot about our emissions. how do you pay for it? i'm just thinking - pay for it? i'm just thinking in this country, we have spent 400 million pounds on the pandemic. there is a cost of living crisis. that is exactly why i don't focus on specific issues.— that is exactly why i don't focus on i specific issues._ because specific issues. tommy, why? because then we aet specific issues. tommy, why? because then we get stuck _ specific issues. tommy, why? because then we get stuck on _ specific issues. tommy, why? because then we get stuck on these _ specific issues. tommy, why? because then we get stuck on these issues i then we get stuck on these issues instead of the crisis itself. it doesn't put that leave you exposed to be argued that by talking only about the broad principle and are trying to change the public narrative, story on climate change, that you are not prepared to, as it were, get your hands dirty in the real practical policy solutions? first of all, i am a teenager. if your house was on fire, would you start arguing about whether to turn off the oven or not?— start arguing about whether to turn off the oven or not? yeah, you might talk about a — off the oven or not? yeah, you might talk about a range _ off the oven or not? yeah, you might talk about a range of _ off the oven or not? yeah, you might talk about a range of different - talk about a range of different things. the metaphor being shale gas... ii
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things. the metaphor being shale as... y ., , things. the metaphor being shale as... , ., �* gas... if you first haven't realised that our gas... if you first haven't realised that your house _ gas... if you first haven't realised that your house is _ gas... if you first haven't realised that your house is on _ gas... if you first haven't realised that your house is on fire, - gas... if you first haven't realised that your house is on fire, once i gas... if you first haven't realised l that your house is on fire, once we actually talked it as an emergency, we will talk about every possible detail. but until we are doing that, it is distracting to talk about these individual specific issues. i want to talk to you about the second paragraph of your introduction, which is not a test, you don't have to memorise it, i will read it to you. i think the second paragraph of your introduction crystallises one of the central argument of the book, because it attacks the idea of compromise, that you write, "there are no black and white issues in life, no categorical answer is, everything is a subject for endless debate and compromise. this is one of the core principles of our current society, a society which, when it comes to sustain ability, has a lot to answer for. because of that court principle is wrong —— or printable is wrong. as great whites compromise wrong? it is printable is wrong. as great whites compromise wrong?— compromise wrong? it is not compromise _ compromise wrong? it is not compromise itself _ compromise wrong? it is not compromise itself which i compromise wrong? it is not compromise itself which is i compromise wrong? it is not i compromise itself which is wrong, compromise wrong? it is not - compromise itself which is wrong, it is very similar vocation to say
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everything black—and—white is not wrong. the paris agreement is a big compromise and that is what we are con to be referring back to. if we are to stay in line with the 1.5 degrees target, we don't have time for these small steps in the right direction, we don't have time to reach net zero 2050, which is a big compromise. when it comes to the climate emergency, winning slowly at the same as losing. we can't compromise with the laws of physics, and that is kind of the idea. either we go on as a civilisation, or we don't. build back better, blah blah blah, green economy, blah blah blah. net zero by 2050, blah blah blah. net zero by 2050, blah blah blah. net zero, blah blah blah, carbon neutral, blah blah blah.- net zero, blah blah blah, carbon neutral, blah blah blah. there are --eole neutral, blah blah blah. there are people who _ neutral, blah blah blah. there are people who say — neutral, blah blah blah. there are people who say looking _ neutral, blah blah blah. there are people who say looking at what i neutral, blah blah blah. there are i people who say looking at what you have done over the past four years, that one of the dangers of your approach to politics is that you create a cynicism about politicians. i'm glad you're laughing, it is not
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the politicians are laughing. people say the thing about greta thunberg is people think that all politicians are rubbish, useless, blah blah blah. what do you say to that? atherogenic co2 emissions have been omitted since 2005 and that is the progress should not be dismissed as blah blah blah. of course all politicians are not evil, i have never said that and don't understand where that comes from. there are many who are trying, but overall, the people who are in power have been moving us in the wrong direction. been moving us in the wrong direction-— been moving us in the wrong direction. ~ ., , ., ., ., direction. would you ever go into olitics? i direction. would you ever go into politics? i don't _ direction. would you ever go into politics? i don't want _ direction. would you ever go into politics? i don't want to! - direction. would you ever go into politics? i don't want to! why? i direction. would you ever go into i politics? i don't want to! why? can ou feel politics? i don't want to! why? can you feel an — politics? i don't want to! why? can you feel an obligation, _ politics? i don't want to! why? can you feel an obligation, a _ politics? i don't want to! why? can you feel an obligation, a duty? i i you feel an obligation, a duty? i mean, first of all, i don't want to! because it feels like that world is so toxic. but also the main reason is, as it is now, the changes necessary will only come if there is
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enough public pressure from the outside. and that is something that we create outside on the streets. it feels to me that the focus of your campaigning has subtly but significantly changed from an earlier emphasis on listen to the science, which you obviously still say. but do something else which is climate justice. say. but do something else which is climatejustice. what say. but do something else which is climate justice. what is climate justice? climate 'ustice. what is climate 'ustice? , ., , ., climate 'ustice. what is climate 'ustice? , ., ., climate 'ustice. what is climate 'ustice? , .,. . justice? the people who are affected toda are justice? the people who are affected today are the — justice? the people who are affected today are the ones _ justice? the people who are affected today are the ones who _ justice? the people who are affected today are the ones who have - justice? the people who are affected today are the ones who have done i justice? the people who are affected. today are the ones who have done the least to cause it, and therefore we have an obligation to act to minimise the damages which are being caused. climatejustice is everything, because in countries like mine in sweden, i can imagine the uk as well, people say, "you don't have to worry, you will be fine. we canjust don't have to worry, you will be fine. we can just turn off the air conditioning, turn on our sprinklers and we will be fine." and that might be true that some of us might initially be able to adapt somewhat to a rapidly warming world, but for
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many of my friends, that will not be the case. ., many of my friends, that will not be the case. . , , ., the case. that me put this into human terms, _ the case. that me put this into human terms, my _ the case. that me put this into human terms, my dad - the case. that me put this into human terms, my dad died i the case. that me put this into human terms, my dad died a l the case. that me put this into i human terms, my dad died a few months ago, and he had a very big family, we have a very big family in india. he was one of ii siblings, my mum used to go and beat his siblings, and therefore fly to india. my mum is in her70s, a wonderful person, not going to get the train to india! ila! that would the train to india! no! that would be the train to india! iiif7i that would be weird. i the train to india! iii?! that would be weird. i don't think of her as privileged, but would it be right to say that, you know, people who follow you and follow your activism could inferfrom follow you and follow your activism could infer from what you are saying that my mum shouldn't fly? i could infer from what you are saying that my mum shouldn't fly?- that my mum shouldn't fly? i have never said — that my mum shouldn't fly? i have never said that _ that my mum shouldn't fly? i have never said that people _ that my mum shouldn't fly? i have never said that people should i that my mum shouldn't fly? i have never said that people should stop flying, i have never said that people... i think we need to move away from focusing on individual actions and what individuals do and so on, because we need to focus on the bigger picture. of course, stop flying is a way of activism, to send
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a message to people around you that we need to do something about this. that is why i stopped flying. i didn't stop flying and i didn't sail across the atlantic twice to lower my carbon footprint. it was to create a debate. and it succeeded, i guess! it create a debate. and it succeeded, i cuess! ., ~' create a debate. and it succeeded, i guess!_ people _ create a debate. and it succeeded, i guess!_ people see i create a debate. and it succeeded, i guess!_ people see me i create a debate. and it succeeded, i guess!_ people see me as| guess! it worked. people see me as an an: guess! it worked. people see me as an angry teenager— guess! it worked. people see me as an angry teenager who _ guess! it worked. people see me as an angry teenager who condemns i guess! it worked. people see me as i an angry teenager who condemns every individual�*s behaviour, which is kind of funny to me! find individual's behaviour, which is kind of funny to me!— individual's behaviour, which is kind of funny to me! and you are not that person? — kind of funny to me! and you are not that person? no! _ kind of funny to me! and you are not that person? no! what _ kind of funny to me! and you are not that person? no! what is _ kind of funny to me! and you are not that person? no! what is the - that person? no! what is the difference — that person? iii?! what is the difference between that person and who you really are?— who you really are? there is a big difference. _ who you really are? there is a big difference, yet. _ who you really are? there is a big difference, yet. i— who you really are? there is a big difference, yet. i am _ who you really are? there is a big difference, yet. i am not- who you really are? there is a big difference, yet. i am not an i who you really are? there is a big difference, yet. i am not an angry teenager. i probably don't take life seriously enough like in private. you find it weird and that you have this reputation? it is you find it weird and that you have this reputation?— this reputation? it is very funny, actuall . this reputation? it is very funny, actually- you — this reputation? it is very funny, actually. you find _ this reputation? it is very funny, actually. you find it _ this reputation? it is very funny, actually. you find it funny i this reputation? it is very funny, i actually. you find it funny because it seemed so _ actually. you find it funny because it seemed so untrue _ actually. you find it funny because it seemed so untrue to _ actually. you find it funny because it seemed so untrue to you? i actually. you find it funny because | it seemed so untrue to you? yeah, and the people _ it seemed so untrue to you? yeah, and the people i— it seemed so untrue to you? yeah, and the people i care _ it seemed so untrue to you? yeah, and the people i care about - it seemed so untrue to you? yeah, and the people i care about who i l and the people i care about who i meet, they know that that is not me.
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if i meet people personally, they can see that i'm not like that. you ever reflect _ can see that i'm not like that. you ever reflect in _ can see that i'm not like that. you ever reflect in quiet _ can see that i'm not like that. you ever reflect in quiet moments about how unlikely your story is? i mean, for three years, or more, this largely newt, bullied at school girl, you end up being the voice of a generation will stop it is a very unlikelyjourney, isn't it? it a generation will stop it is a very unlikely journey, isn't it?- unlikely 'ourney, isn't it? it is, es. unlikely journey, isn't it? it is, yes- 0ne _ unlikely journey, isn't it? it is, yes- one thing _ unlikely journey, isn't it? it is, yes. one thing you _ unlikely journey, isn't it? it is, yes. one thing you haven't i unlikelyjourney, isn't it? it is, i yes. one thing you haven't described as our yes. one thing you haven't described as your superpower _ yes. one thing you haven't described as your superpower is _ yes. one thing you haven't described as your superpower is asperger. i as your superpower is asperger. would you mind expelling what that is to people who don't know, asperger�*s syndrome? is to people who don't know, asperger's syndrome? you're on the autism spectrum, _ asperger's syndrome? you're on the autism spectrum, it _ asperger's syndrome? you're on the autism spectrum, it is _ asperger's syndrome? you're on the autism spectrum, it is a _ asperger's syndrome? you're on the autism spectrum, it is a diagnosis i autism spectrum, it is a diagnosis which means that you work a bit differently. you are a bit sensitive to sorts of things which others are not. you cannot sometimes a function in the same ways as others. describing it only as a superpower is misleading, because many people are a very limited by it. because under the wrong circumstances, it can definitely hold you back, if you
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have to play on the same terms as everybody else, as is the current situation for most people. but in some ways, it is something which allows you to do things which others can't. for example, if you are really interested in something and if you... you can have a very intense focus on something, you can be really determined to fulfil something. be really determined to fulfil something-— be really determined to fulfil somethina. ~ ., ., ., something. without a moment those earl weeks something. without a moment those early weeks when _ something. without a moment those early weeks when you _ something. without a moment those early weeks when you realised i something. without a moment those early weeks when you realised that i early weeks when you realised that this was going to be big? when you were maybe texting your friends and saying, "something interesting in the global media, and in of this newspaper. did you think that you were starting to think there? i don't know, because in sweden, people rarely stop you in the streets. , ., ., ., ., streets. there is a word for that, isn't there? _ streets. there is a word for that, isn't there? it _ streets. there is a word for that, isn't there? it means _ streets. there is a word for that, isn't there? it means no - streets. there is a word for that, isn't there? it means no one i streets. there is a word for that, isn't there? it means no one is i isn't there? it means no one is worth more — isn't there? it means no one is worth more than _ isn't there? it means no one is worth more than others, i isn't there? it means no one is worth more than others, we i isn't there? it means no one is i worth more than others, we leave isn't there? it means no one is - worth more than others, we leave you alone. but when i started to go abroad, people started to recognise me. that was strange. do
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abroad, people started to recognise me. that was strange.— me. that was strange. do you like that attention _ me. that was strange. do you like that attention at _ me. that was strange. do you like that attention at all? _ me. that was strange. do you like that attention at all? i _ me. that was strange. do you like that attention at all? i mean, i - that attention at all? i mean, i don't enjoy _ that attention at all? i mean, i don't enjoy it. _ that attention at all? i mean, i don't enjoy it, no. _ that attention at all? i mean, i don't enjoy it, no. it— that attention at all? i mean, i don't enjoy it, no. it is- that attention at all? i mean, i don't enjoy it, no. it is not - don't enjoy it, no. it is not something that pleases me sort of speak. the thing which is most difficult is it people close to me or people i love, if they get harmed by it, which of course is the case sometimes. for example, if people come to my house uninvited and stuff... �* , ,, come to my house uninvited and stuff... �* , ., ., ., stuff... because you have had death threats? yeah, _ stuff... because you have had death threats? yeah, and _ stuff... because you have had death threats? yeah, and my _ stuff. .. because you have had death threats? yeah, and my family- stuff... because you have had death threats? yeah, and my family are i threats? yeah, and my family are --eole i threats? yeah, and my family are peeple i know _ threats? yeah, and my family are people i know and _ threats? yeah, and my family are people i know and so _ threats? yeah, and my family are people i know and so on. - threats? yeah, and my family are people i know and so on. i - threats? yeah, and my family are people i know and so on. i put - threats? yeah, and my family are i people i know and so on. i put your name into — people i know and so on. i put your name into various _ people i know and so on. i put your name into various social— people i know and so on. i put your name into various social media - name into various social media platforms, and it is shocking. shocking the abuse you get. if you are honest, does it affect you? mat are honest, does it affect you? not insults, are honest, does it affect you? not insults. n0- — are honest, does it affect you? not insults, no. what are honest, does it affect you? fiat insults, no. what i am most bothered about it when people lie about me and spread conspiracy theories. because i cannot lie, so when people lie about me, it is, like, don't!
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you have used humour a lot on social media when you are told by world leaders. and you respond by trolling them back usually by changing your twitter profile. ijust think it is genuinely funny! ijust think it is genuinely funny! i mean, the most powerful people in the world feel intimidated by teenagers. that is funny. it says more about them than it does about me. do more about them than it does about me. y ., more about them than it does about me. .,, more about them than it does about me. ._ . me. do you actually en'oy inc the face of a rebelfi me. do you actually enjoy inc the face of a rebel movement? - me. do you actually enjoy inc the face of a rebel movement? it - me. do you actually enjoy inc the - face of a rebel movement? it sounds like it comes? it face of a rebel movement? it sounds like it comes?— like it comes? it was certainly not what i intended _ like it comes? it was certainly not what i intended to _ like it comes? it was certainly not what i intended to do. _ like it comes? it was certainly not what i intended to do. you - like it comes? it was certainly not what i intended to do. you took. like it comes? it was certainly not what i intended to do. you took a | what i intended to do. you took a vote on a — what i intended to do. you took a vote on a two-week— what i intended to do. you took a vote on a two-weekjourney - what i intended to do. you took a | vote on a two-weekjourney across vote on a two—weekjourney across the atlantic, just because you didn't want to fly to the un to use it i need to be there and i would do it i need to be there and i would do it by boat. there was a moment i saw in this documentary where you are recording voice memos and said, "i
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don't want to have to do this, it is such a responsibility around the clock. i know what is at stake and it is such a responsibility." it sounded like you are taking the whole weight of a generation on your shoulders and taking it across the atlantic on a solar powered boat. and you were what? 16 at the time? yes, it is too much response to, both for me as an individual but also for young people in general. there are people of all ages who are stepping up, but it mostly falls on young people to do this, and it should not be that way. ijust wish sometimes that people would take up a bit more responsibility, because people always say to me that, "it is so hopeful when i see you guys and it gives me hope for the future." enough often i keep a straight face. but then sometimes i can snap and say, "if you think but then sometimes i can snap and say. "if you think that but then sometimes i can snap and say, "if you think that all the hope in the world rests on burned—out teenagers' shoulders, that is not
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very good." teenagers' shoulders, that is not very good- '— teenagers' shoulders, that is not ve nood." . , ., , very good." that is not very good. do ou very good." that is not very good. do you think _ very good." that is not very good. do you think you _ very good." that is not very good. do you think you have _ very good." that is not very good. do you think you have been - do you think you have been transformed by fame? i do you think you have been transformed by fame? i don't think it is possible _ transformed by fame? i don't think it is possible for _ transformed by fame? i don't think it is possible for anyone _ transformed by fame? i don't think it is possible for anyone to - transformed by fame? i don't think| it is possible for anyone to become, have so much attention and not be transformed. it does not have to be for the worst, though. it can also be that you think more about what you do. but i do think that if you are not careful and if you get famous at such a young age, it can be very damaging. and also when all of that attention disappears, that will probably be very difficult. do ou will probably be very difficult. do you think it will disappear? of. you think it will disappear? of course. you think it will disappear? of course- why? _ you think it will disappear? of course. why? because - you think it will disappear? of course. why? because you i you think it will disappear? 0f| course. why? because you are you think it will disappear? of- course. why? because you are not ounu course. why? because you are not young any— course. why? because you are not young any more? _ course. why? because you are not young any more? maybe. - course. why? because you are not young any more? maybe. no - course. why? because you are not i young any more? maybe. no person course. why? because you are not - young any more? maybe. no person can be in the spotlight _ young any more? maybe. no person can be in the spotlight for _ young any more? maybe. no person can be in the spotlight for that _ young any more? maybe. no person can be in the spotlight for that long - be in the spotlight for that long without people getting bored. you worry about _ without people getting bored. you worry about that? no, _ without people getting bored. you worry about that? no, i— without people getting bored. you worry about that? no, i think - without people getting bored. you worry about that? no, i think that| worry about that? no, i think that would be nice. _ worry about that? no, i think that would be nice. you _ worry about that? no, i think that would be nice. you think- worry about that? no, i think that would be nice. you think it - worry about that? no, i think that would be nice. you think it would | worry about that? no, i think that i would be nice. you think it would be nice if people... _
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would be nice. you think it would be nice if people... if _ would be nice. you think it would be nice if people... if you _ would be nice. you think it would be nice if people... if you didn't - would be nice. you think it would be nice if people... if you didn't have i nice if people... if you didn't have the attention that you have at the moment? i the attention that you have at the moment? ~ ,., , ., the attention that you have at the j moment?_ would the attention that you have at the l moment?_ would it moment? i think so, yeah. would it not diminish — moment? i think so, yeah. would it not diminish your _ moment? i think so, yeah. would it not diminish your ability _ moment? i think so, yeah. would it not diminish your ability to - not diminish your ability to influence the agenda? that not diminish your ability to influence the agenda? that is the dilemma. influence the agenda? that is the dilemma- so _ influence the agenda? that is the dilemma. so how— influence the agenda? that is the dilemma. so how would - influence the agenda? that is the dilemma. so how would you - influence the agenda? that is the dilemma. so how would you pay. influence the agenda? that is the i dilemma. so how would you pay that dilemma? i— dilemma. so how would you pay that dilemma? liust _ dilemma. so how would you pay that dilemma? ijust have _ dilemma. so how would you pay that dilemma? ijust have to _ dilemma. so how would you pay that dilemma? ijust have to accept - dilemma? i 'ust have to accept what ha ens, dilemma? ijust have to accept what happens. as — dilemma? ijust have to accept what happens. as long — dilemma? ijust have to accept what happens, as long as _ dilemma? ijust have to accept what happens, as long as i _ dilemma? ijust have to accept what happens, as long as i have - dilemma? ijust have to accept what happens, as long as i have a - happens, as long as i have a platform and can do these things, i will try to use that platform. but when it disappears, i will, yes, i will continue in different ways. if will continue in different ways. if you are not someone that really pursues fame and enjoys fame for fame's sake, what does it feel like to be nominated for the nobel peace prize repeatedly or to be on time magazine person of the year? {lit magazine person of the year? of course, it is good that the climate gets focus, and as it is now, focusing on me means climate focus, even though it should not be that way, but i mean i don't really care for those things.— for those things. what you do for fun? what _ for those things. what you do for fun? what are _ for those things. what you do for fun? what are good _ for those things. what you do for fun? what are good at? - for those things. what you do for fun? what are good at? that - for those things. what you do for fun? what are good at? that is l fun? what are good at? that is a aood fun? what are good at? that is a
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good question! _ fun? what are good at? that is a good question! it _ fun? what are good at? that is a good question! it wasn't - fun? what are good at? that is a good question! it wasn't meant l fun? what are good at? that is a| good question! it wasn't meant to fun? what are good at? that is a - good question! it wasn't meant to be a funny question! _ good question! it wasn't meant to be a funny question! what _ good question! it wasn't meant to be a funny question! what do _ good question! it wasn't meant to be a funny question! what do you - good question! it wasn't meant to be a funny question! what do you do - good question! it wasn't meant to be a funny question! what do you do for fun? i a funny question! what do you do for fun? ~ . ~ , fun? i like reading, i like being with my dogs. _ fun? i like reading, i like being with my dogs. i _ fun? i like reading, i like being with my dogs, i like being - fun? i like reading, i like being with my dogs, i like being withj with my dogs, i like being with friends. one thing i do is i crochet frog hats. friends. one thing i do is i crochet fro hats. ., . ., ., frog hats. you crochet frog hats? are these hats _ frog hats. you crochet frog hats? are these hats for _ frog hats. you crochet frog hats? are these hats for frogs? - frog hats. you crochet frog hats? are these hats for frogs? no, - frog hats. you crochet frog hats? are these hats for frogs? no, it | frog hats. you crochet frog hats? | are these hats for frogs? no, it is a ureen are these hats for frogs? no, it is a green bucket — are these hats for frogs? no, it is a green bucket hat _ are these hats for frogs? no, it is a green bucket hat which - are these hats for frogs? no, it is a green bucket hat which i - are these hats for frogs? no, it isj a green bucket hat which i crochet with eyes. a green bucket hat which i crochet with e es. a green bucket hat which i crochet with eyes. ok. just for you and your mates? with eyes. ok. just for you and your mates? just for fun? i _ with eyes. ok. just for you and your mates? just for fun? i want - with eyes. ok. just for you and your mates? just for fun? i want to - with eyes. ok. just for you and your| mates? just for fun? i want to come set to in very _ mates? just for fun? i want to come set to in very final— mates? just for fun? i want to come set to in very final thoughts. - mates? just for fun? i want to come set to in very final thoughts. i - set to in very final thoughts. i have some quickfire questions. maximum ten work, minimum one. what distresses you?— distresses you? going for long walks. distresses you? going for long walks- plus — distresses you? going for long walks. plus you _ distresses you? going for long walks. plus you would - distresses you? going for long walks. plus you would most i distresses you? going for long i walks. plus you would most like distresses you? going for long - walks. plus you would most like to meet who is _ walks. plus you would most like to meet who is dead? _ walks. plus you would most like to meet who is dead? i _ walks. plus you would most like to meet who is dead? i wouldn't - walks. plus you would most like to| meet who is dead? i wouldn't want walks. plus you would most like to i meet who is dead? i wouldn't want to meet who is dead? i wouldn't want to meet a dead — meet who is dead? i wouldn't want to meet a dead person! _ meet who is dead? i wouldn't want to meet a dead person! i— meet who is dead? i wouldn't want to meet a dead person! i never- meet who is dead? i wouldn't want to meet a dead person! i never thought| meet a dead person! i never thought of it like that! _ meet a dead person! i never thought of it like that! i— meet a dead person! i never thought of it like that! i meant _ meet a dead person! i never thought of it like that! i meant living - meet a dead person! i never thought of it like that! i meant living or- of it like that! i meant living or
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dead. when did you last cry? probably because i saw some pretty flowers or something. what probably because i saw some pretty flowers or something.— flowers or something. what is your worst personal _ flowers or something. what is your worst personal habit? _ flowers or something. what is your worst personal habit? that - flowers or something. what is your worst personal habit? that i - flowers or something. what is your| worst personal habit? that i cannot shut u -. worst personal habit? that i cannot shut up. probably. _ worst personal habit? that i cannot shut up. probably. ok, _ worst personal habit? that i cannot shut up. probably. ok, let's- worst personal habit? that i cannot shut up. probably. ok, let's turn i worst personal habit? that i cannotj shut up. probably. ok, let's turn to final thoughts. _ shut up. probably. ok, let's turn to final thoughts, given _ shut up. probably. ok, let's turn to final thoughts, given the _ shut up. probably. ok, let's turn to final thoughts, given the concern i final thoughts, given the concern that you expressed about the environment, what are your hopes and dreams for the future and what do you want your life to pan out like? i have absolutely no idea. ijust know there's no point in thinking about it, because everything changes every single day, sol about it, because everything changes every single day, so i cannot plan anything ahead. sol every single day, so i cannot plan anything ahead. so i want to be able to do as much as i can where it is possible. to do as much as i can where it is ossible. . .. to do as much as i can where it is ossible. , ., , to do as much as i can where it is ossible. , . , ., possible. greta, it is a real pleasure — possible. greta, it is a real pleasure to _ possible. greta, it is a real pleasure to chat _ possible. greta, it is a real pleasure to chat to - possible. greta, it is a real- pleasure to chat to you. thank you so much for your time.—
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good afternoon. if you are overly stepped out earlier, you will have noticed how mild it is. pretty much across the country, even where it is raining. especially so across southern and eastern parts of england. it will test stay mild to tomorrow as well, but with low pressure nearby, both today and tomorrow. quite a few isobars on the chart, and strong winds through this afternoon across northern ireland, western scotland, wales, generally around the irish sea coast. rest of the brightness in south east it will be mildest. brightness for northern ireland, and once the rain clears north, it is fine for northern scotland before the rain clears. up to 22 in the southeast, pretty balmy for the time of year. the
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clocks go back one hour through the early hours of sunday, don't forget about. an extra hour in bed hopefully for many of you on sunday. starts off damp in the southeast of england. conditions brighton in the east of the country, but stays windy for all, especially across... east of the country, but stays windy forall, especially across... be east of the country, but stays windy for all, especially across... be not as male as day, highs of 15—18.
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