was like to be in exactly what it was like to be in that horrific crash. | exactly what it was like to be in that horrific crash. absolutely, i think the reporter _ that horrific crash. absolutely, i think the reporter was - that horrific crash. absolutely, i think the reporter was telling i that horrific crash. absolutely, i i think the reporter was telling us about_ think the reporter was telling us about coming out of the station, and the crash _ about coming out of the station, and the crash had already started. he said it _ the crash had already started. he said it took— the crash had already started. he said it took them ten minutes to travel_ said it took them ten minutes to travel what would normally be a one—minute walk, at which point they decided _ one—minute walk, at which point they decided it_ one—minute walk, at which point they decided it would not be a good idea, and they— decided it would not be a good idea, and they came back to the station to move _ and they came back to the station to move venues. what was very sad was that even— move venues. what was very sad was that even when they were doing that they were _ that even when they were doing that they were moving ambulances. i think it is so_ they were moving ambulances. i think it is so terribly sad. we think of seout— it is so terribly sad. we think of seoul as— it is so terribly sad. we think of seoul as being orderly, but we also think— seoul as being orderly, but we also think of— seoul as being orderly, but we also think of it _ seoul as being orderly, but we also think of it as being quite fun. i think— think of it as being quite fun. i think we — think of it as being quite fun. i think we think of south korea as being _ think we think of south korea as being the — think we think of south korea as being the polar opposite of north korea, _ being the polar opposite of north korea, it— being the polar opposite of north korea, it is lots of fun, it has a great _ korea, it is lots of fun, it has a great music— korea, it is lots of fun, it has a great music and culture, it is a hip and happening place. itjust seems terribly— and happening place. itjust seems

terribly sad that this should happeh _ terribly sad that this should happen. yet, at the same time, nobody. — happen. yet, at the same time, nobody. as_ happen. yet, at the same time, nobody, as far as i can see, is to blame _ nobody, as far as i can see, is to blame in — nobody, as far as i can see, is to blame in that moment. it is a completely unforeseen set of circumstances.— completely unforeseen set of circumstances. ., . circumstances. the one thing i am seeinu is circumstances. the one thing i am seeing is that _ circumstances. the one thing i am seeing is that there _ circumstances. the one thing i am seeing is that there are _ circumstances. the one thing i am seeing is that there are questions| seeing is that there are questions about crowd control, or what police were deployed. the numbers were not that different to what they would have been pre—covid, i think what we are seeing is this outpouring of grief before they perhaps get to anything close to an answer on some of those questions.— of those questions. yes, it does not seem to have _ of those questions. yes, it does not seem to have been _ of those questions. yes, it does not seem to have been a _ of those questions. yes, it does not seem to have been a very _ of those questions. yes, it does not seem to have been a very well - seem to have been a very well organised event. this always brings back other tragedies, doesn't it? for some reason, when i read this, i

thought of the manchester arena bombings. a mass event where people were supposed to be having a great time, but ends in tragedy. there is something so extraordinarily powerful, that the newspapers have done a very good job on reporting this story, bringing in the social media aspect, bringing in the eyewitness accounts, and this will unfold, i think, eyewitness accounts, and this will unfold, ithink, overthis eyewitness accounts, and this will unfold, i think, over this week on tuesday, when we'll be celebrating, if that is the right word, halloween here in britain. fin if that is the right word, halloween here in britain.— if that is the right word, halloween here in britain. on monday evening, i su ose, here in britain. on monday evening, i suppose. going _ here in britain. on monday evening, i suppose, going into _ here in britain. on monday evening, i suppose, going into tuesday. - let's move on to our next paper, which has rishi sunak under tory pressure to u—turn over climate snap. if there's one word that has been used with the conservative party it is u—turn. this is about

the kop 27 summits to take place in egypt. rishi sunak was not going to 90, egypt. rishi sunak was not going to go, some in his party saying that's the wrong move. do you think we might be looking at the change of direction. n might be looking at the change of direction. . ., direction. i imagine with the threat of johnson direction. i imagine with the threat ofjohnson hanging _ direction. i imagine with the threat of johnson hanging over _ direction. i imagine with the threat ofjohnson hanging over him, - direction. i imagine with the threat ofjohnson hanging over him, i- direction. i imagine with the threat. ofjohnson hanging over him, i don't ofjohnson hanging over him, idon't think— ofjohnson hanging over him, i don't think it _ ofjohnson hanging over him, i don't think it has — ofjohnson hanging over him, i don't think it has yet been ascertained whether— think it has yet been ascertained whether or not that is a cruel rumour— whether or not that is a cruel rumour or— whether or not that is a cruel rumour or whether boris is really ptahhihg — rumour or whether boris is really planning to go to kop 27, i think with that — planning to go to kop 27, i think with that hanging over him he really needs— with that hanging over him he really needs to _ with that hanging over him he really needs to pull his finger out. aims to make — needs to pull his finger out. aims to make two u—turns, one is on kop 27, he _ to make two u—turns, one is on kop 27, he needs — to make two u—turns, one is on kop 27, he needs to send the king, i think— 27, he needs to send the king, i think it — 27, he needs to send the king, i think it would be good to send king chartes— think it would be good to send king charles saw early in his reign. is charles saw early in his reign. is controversial, isn't it? love everything about this government is controversial, and i think sending the king would make a statement

about how seriously we are taking this _ about how seriously we are taking this i_ about how seriously we are taking this ithink— about how seriously we are taking this. i think we —— about how seriously we are taking this. ithink we —— i about how seriously we are taking this. i think we —— i think rishi sunak— this. i think we —— i think rishi sunak is— this. i think we —— i think rishi sunak is right, with so much going on here _ sunak is right, with so much going on here he — sunak is right, with so much going on here he does need to stay here and dig _ on here he does need to stay here and dig us— on here he does need to stay here and dig us out of a hole, but he does _ and dig us out of a hole, but he does need _ and dig us out of a hole, but he does need to find a totem of importance and stature and authority to send _ importance and stature and authority to send in _ importance and stature and authority to send in his place, and the only person— to send in his place, and the only person i— to send in his place, and the only person i can _ to send in his place, and the only person i can think of is the king, and he _ person i can think of is the king, and he is — person i can think of is the king, and he isjust going to have to take and he isjust going to have to take a chance _ and he isjust going to have to take a chance on— and he isjust going to have to take a chance on that.— a chance on that. some would say that burger— a chance on that. some would say that burger king _ a chance on that. some would say that burger king should _ a chance on that. some would say that burger king should not - a chance on that. some would say that burger king should not be - that burger king should not be involved in issues that are at —— some would say that the king should not be involved in issues that are sensitive. he not be involved in issues that are sensitive. , ., ., . sensitive. he is no longer prince charles, i _ sensitive. he is no longer prince charles, i suspect _ sensitive. he is no longer prince charles, i suspect by _ sensitive. he is no longer prince charles, i suspect by mid - sensitive. he is no longer prince charles, i suspect by mid week. sensitive. he is no longer prince l charles, i suspect by mid week we will hear that rishi sunak will be going to egypt for cop27, because this is crucial to his assuming

power. he needs to be seen as a world leader on climate change, and he also needs to remember that this wins or loses an election. i'm sure he must be thinking about that, because let's think why the governing party in australia lost power, it is because they did not have the right policies on the environment. britain needs to be seen as a world leader on environmental matters. he needs to go. he needs to start building relationships as a prime minister, rather than as a chancellor, with other world leaders. that is crucial. though he may think he does, he does not have his own mandate, this is how he starts to be perceived as a statesman. that mandate, this is how he starts to be perceived as a statesman.— perceived as a statesman. that is one issue that _ perceived as a statesman. that is one issue that he _ perceived as a statesman. that is one issue that he is _ perceived as a statesman. that is one issue that he is tackling - perceived as a statesman. that is one issue that he is tackling this. one issue that he is tackling this week. i was also seeing with the metro... this is the

talk of ill discipline in the party. they were talking about liz truss and her phone being hacked, and also suella braverman and the security breaches of her leaving office and coming back. we have heard a lot about second chances. how big an issue you think this will be for mr sunak? it issue you think this will be for mr sunak? , , ., ., , , sunak? it seems to me that this is artl to sunak? it seems to me that this is partly to do _ sunak? it seems to me that this is partly to do with — sunak? it seems to me that this is partly to do with the _ sunak? it seems to me that this is partly to do with the security - partly to do with the security services _ partly to do with the security services not making it clear enough to our— services not making it clear enough to our new — services not making it clear enough to our new government, this particular— to our new government, this particular government and its very situation _ particular government and its very situation been largely made up of people _ situation been largely made up of people who have come into power very recentty~ _ people who have come into power very recently. suella braverman has only been there — recently. suella braverman has only been there for five years, seven years, _ been there for five years, seven years, same with rishi sunak. all of these _ years, same with rishi sunak. all of these people have properly not been put through the protocols and told what they — put through the protocols and told what they should or shouldn't do, or have not— what they should or shouldn't do, or have not been told how important it is that _ have not been told how important it

is that they — have not been told how important it is that they should and shouldn't do certain— is that they should and shouldn't do certain things. i think liz truss and _ certain things. i think liz truss and suetta _ certain things. i think liz truss and suella braverman have become the scene _ and suella braverman have become the scene trillions faction of the tory party _ scene trillions faction of the tory party. the — scene trillions faction of the tory party. the first thing that rishi sunak— party. the first thing that rishi sunak has— party. the first thing that rishi sunak has to do is getting rid of its home — sunak has to do is getting rid of its home secretary. you sunak has to do is getting rid of its home secretary.— sunak has to do is getting rid of its home secretary. you think he has to do that? — its home secretary. you think he has to do that? even _ its home secretary. you think he has to do that? even after _ its home secretary. you think he has to do that? even after the _ its home secretary. you think he has to do that? even after the amount i its home secretary. you think he has} to do that? even after the amount he was defending her, saying second chances, getting majorfigures in the conservative party to back that position? i the conservative party to back that osition? ., ~' the conservative party to back that osition? ., ,, , position? i do. ithink his misjudgment _ position? i do. ithink his misjudgment was - position? i do. ithink his misjudgment was not - position? i do. i think his| misjudgment was not that position? i do. i think his i misjudgment was not that it position? i do. i think his - misjudgment was not that it was position? i do. i think his _ misjudgment was not that it was part of a deat— misjudgment was not that it was part of a deal with suella braverman, what _ of a deal with suella braverman, what i _ of a deal with suella braverman, what i think was the thought she helped _ what i think was the thought she helped get liz truss out, and writing — helped get liz truss out, and writing that letter which put the final nail— writing that letter which put the final nail in the truss coffin, about— final nail in the truss coffin, about integrity and decency, and he property— about integrity and decency, and he properly thought that was quite enough. — properly thought that was quite enough, that she had washed her face

and guilt— enough, that she had washed her face and guilt and shame is out on the other— and guilt and shame is out on the other side — and guilt and shame is out on the other side and could be put in safety. — other side and could be put in safely, and she did not stop and think— safely, and she did not stop and think tong — safely, and she did not stop and think long and hard enough. i think he is _ think long and hard enough. i think he is trying — think long and hard enough. i think he is trying to protect his position, and i think the story we are going — position, and i think the story we are going to come onto shortly about what is _ are going to come onto shortly about what is happening in dover will also have made — what is happening in dover will also have made his hackles rise with anxiety, — have made his hackles rise with anxiety, but the fact is that she has to— anxiety, but the fact is that she has to go _ i will move onto that story. this is the daily mail, the headline that petrol bomb attacks migrant centre. this is one story, but there is the whole issue of migrant centres, of the conditions that are there, the numbers, as it says the channel arrivals are nearly 40,000 this year. how do you place this in the context of what is facing mr sunak? 0n context of what is facing mr sunak? on one of the papers, i think it is the guardian, they say there is an

assumption that suella braverman will be gone. which one that is, who knows. 0n the basis that it is not just the security breaches, it is that she is not making decisions. robertjenrick, also another home office minister who has been touring 0ffice minister who has been touring these migrant centres today, it seems as if there is insufficient security there, in the manston detention centre where people are only meant to be staying for 24 hours, people are staying as much as four weeks. there is diphtheria, mrsa, and goodness knows what else. somebody needs to get a grip of the situation, it is the home secretary's job to do so, and i think this week something must be done on this. hotel rooms be obtained for the super? but that we actually formulate a policy as to what we are going to do about the migrant issue, and let's not have

all kinds of rhetoric about rwanda. i believe that whenever suella braverman talks about rwanda it is a very easy way to divert public attention away from all of the crucial day—to—day problems but there are to do with money in these detention centres, it is just not civilised. d0 detention centres, it is 'ust not civilised. ., ,, ,, ., civilised. do you also think suella braverman _ civilised. do you also think suella braverman will _ civilised. do you also think suella braverman will go? _ civilised. do you also think suella braverman will go? she - civilised. do you also think suella braverman will go? she is - civilised. do you also think suella braverman will go? she is under| braverman will go? she is under pressure. _ braverman will go? she is under pressure. she — braverman will go? she is under pressure, she will— braverman will go? she is under pressure, she will need - braverman will go? she is under pressure, she will need to i braverman will go? she is under pressure, she will need to pull l pressure, she will need to pull something out of the hat. she has been shown to have at least two lives, maybe she has in other, but this is a civilised society, we do not like to think this is happening in our country. not like to think this is happening in our country-— in our country. that is one i think will also continue _ in our country. that is one i think will also continue the _ in our country. that is one i think l will also continue the conversation. it is not going to be a very quiet or can week for the conservative

party looking ahead as well. i want to take a look at other politics that are happening in other places of the world as we chat right now. i've been watching some of the pictures coming in from brazil, and this is the result decides. this is bolsonaro and lula da silva facing off. this is a huge country that has such different leaders that they are making a choice over. right now i saw that 90% of votes were in from the vote counting machine so far, so we expect something in a couple of hours or so. how important do you see the selection? tar hours or so. how important do you see the selection?— see the selection? for brazil it is miah see the selection? for brazil it is mighty important- _ see the selection? for brazil it is mighty important. bolsonaro i see the selection? for brazil it is mighty important. bolsonaro has see the selection? for brazil it is i mighty important. bolsonaro has been a disaster— mighty important. bolsonaro has been a disaster through the eyes of the rest of— a disaster through the eyes of the rest of the — a disaster through the eyes of the rest of the world, and for brazilians themselves he has in no way improve their lot. the financial times—

way improve their lot. the financial times story— way improve their lot. the financial times story obviously has no updates on percentages of votes that are in so far. _ on percentages of votes that are in so far. but— on percentages of votes that are in so far. but i— on percentages of votes that are in so far, but i know in the bbc you are saying — so far, but i know in the bbc you are saying that bolsonaro currently had 51%~ _ are saying that bolsonaro currently had 51%~ i — are saying that bolsonaro currently had 5196. ., ., , ., ., had 5196. i have an update from reuters, had 5196. i have an update from reuters. it _ had 5196. i have an update from reuters. it is — had 5196. i have an update from reuters, it is 50.796 _ had 5196. i have an update from reuters, it is 50.796 versus i reuters, it is 50.7% versus bolsonaro with 49.3%. that is from a couple of minutes ago. the bolsonaro with 49.396. that is from a couple of minutes ago.— couple of minutes ago. the biggest municipalities _ couple of minutes ago. the biggest municipalities and _ couple of minutes ago. the biggest municipalities and last, _ couple of minutes ago. the biggest municipalities and last, don't i couple of minutes ago. the biggestj municipalities and last, don't they? presumably there is still a tiny chance — presumably there is still a tiny chance that it will be neck and neck or that _ chance that it will be neck and neck or that lula — chance that it will be neck and neck or that lula da silva mightjust go ahead _ or that lula da silva might 'ust go ahead. . ~ . or that lula da silva might 'ust go ahead. w' . w' , or that lula da silva might 'ust go ahead. w . a , ., ., or that lula da silva might 'ust go ahead. . , ., ., ahead. neck and neck is fair to say at the moment. _ ahead. neck and neck is fair to say at the moment. it _ ahead. neck and neck is fair to say at the moment. it is _ ahead. neck and neck is fair to say at the moment. it is a _ ahead. neck and neck is fair to say at the moment. it is a very - ahead. neck and neck is fair to say at the moment. it is a very clear . at the moment. it is a very clear choice when it comes to these two candidates, there is no swing voters, because their issues are so different. when you are looking at it in brazil, what are you thinking about? , whati it in brazil, what are you thinking about? ,what i think it in brazil, what are you thinking about? , what i think about is that this is the most populous country in

latin america, and it has been bolsonaro's appeal to a large section of the electorate. in many nations, people love the strong men leaders who are unapologetic in their views, leaders who are unapologetic in theirviews, if leaders who are unapologetic in their views, if you dare to say what they think to be anything but work, and bolsonaro appeals to that section of the voters in his country. his opponent is a much more logical, probably what you might call a european politician. it will be very interesting to see what happens if they are running neck and neck, who sees, will one of them seize power? this is latin america, we should always expect the unexpected. i we should always expect the unexoected-_ we should always expect the unexected. ., unexpected. i will leave it there are 'ust

unexpected. i will leave it there are just now. — unexpected. i will leave it there are just now, but _ unexpected. i will leave it there are just now, but we'll - unexpected. i will leave it there are just now, but we'll find i unexpected. i will leave it there are just now, but we'll find out| unexpected. i will leave it there i are just now, but we'll find out the result in the coming hour. that's it for the papers this hour. shyama and anne will be back again at 11:30. next it's time for click. as cars get ever more powerful and ever more numerous, the quest for road safety is an ongoing battle. some cities, like london, have introduced congestion zones, which reduce the amount of traffic and make things safer for pedestrians. but there's also research, of course, going into how to protect the passengers inside the vehicles too. car safety testing is still largely done on the same crash test dummies

that were used in the 1980s, and they were based on the male form. but now a team of engineers in sweden are in the final stages of developing the first average female crash test dummy. so what happens to a woman's body during a crash? shiona mccallum has been to linkoping in sweden to find out. when you think of car crashes, you probably think of something like this. but rear impacts being hit from behind are also happening every day on our roads. it might look gentler, but these kinds of collisions can leave people with debilitating injuries like whiplash. crash test dummies are used to test how well car safety features protect people against injury, but not everyone is equally protected. women are three times more likely to suffer whiplash than men

if they're in a car that's hit from behind.