the prime minister is on his way to egypt to talk about the climate. problems are piling up back home. welcome, it is going to be a busy one. he is not going. he was a no—show but now is that leaders and experts heading for egypt to look at ways to cool the climate.— ways to cool the climate. another familiar face. _ ways to cool the climate. another familiar face. there _ ways to cool the climate. another familiar face. there is _ ways to cool the climate. another familiar face. there is a _ ways to cool the climate. another familiar face. there is a huge - familiarface. there is a huge amount of talent on the back inches, i'm not talking about me.— amount of talent on the back inches, i'm not talking about me. heading to a different gathering _ i'm not talking about me. heading to a different gathering altogether. - i'm not talking about me. heading to a different gathering altogether. i. a different gathering altogether. i also understand the disappointment. the economic picture is darkening with less cash for everything to go

around. ., _, ., . around. the level of economic activity is _ around. the level of economic activity is likely _ around. the level of economic activity is likely to _ around. the level of economic activity is likely to be - around. the level of economic activity is likely to be flat - around. the level of economic activity is likely to be flat and | activity is likely to be flat and wilful folsom time. this morning, two big connected _ wilful folsom time. this morning, two big connected questions, - wilful folsom time. this morning, two big connected questions, can | wilful folsom time. this morning, i two big connected questions, can we afford to solve the climate crisis or can we afford not to act? for some time. joining me this morning is labour's shadow climate change secretary, ed miliband, and the chancellor of the duchy of lancaster, basically the prime minister's right hand man, oliver dowden, the leader of the liberal democrats, sir edward davey, is here, and so is baroness sue campbell, who many see as the architect of the spectacular success of the lionesses this summer. and a call to all trekkies, and william shatner fans, he'll be taking us on his own real—life journey to space. the only mystery was how palpably black it was. in that moment, i thought i saw death. you do not want to miss that! joining me throughout the programme is our panel:

diana johnson, the labour chair of the home affairs select committee, which keeps tabs on how the government handles immigration, myles allen — professor of geosystem science at oxford university, and former conservative cabinet minister, justine greening. welcome. it's one of the issues of our time, and world leaders, including the will he, won't he prime minister, are heading to egypt for the climate summit right now. so let's crack on with the climate conversation. myles allen is one of the country's foremost climate experts. you invented the concept of net zero. we have seen floods in pakistan this year and severe drought in somalia. how quickly is

climate change accelerating? more than half the _ climate change accelerating? more than half the warming _ climate change accelerating? more than half the warming we - climate change accelerating? me than half the warming we had seen to date has happened since the 1980s. that is the speed of change we are seeing right now will stop if we are going to limit warming to 1.5 degrees we have very little time to act. , ' act. remind us, their1.5 level, if it aoes act. remind us, their1.5 level, if it goes about _ act. remind us, their1.5 level, if it goes about that... _ act. remind us, their1.5 level, if it goes about that... every - act. remind us, their1.5 level, if it goes about that... every tent l it goes about that... every tent that the degree _ it goes about that... every tent that the degree of _ it goes about that... every tent that the degree of warming - it goes about that... every tent - that the degree of warming increases the risk of extreme weather events people are experiencing and the risks of further impacts of climate change. it is not that the planet. but a cliff at 1.5 degrees, it gets progressively worse. by the time we get to 2 degrees and beyond, big systems of our planets, like tropical coral reefs will be gone. the cops summit doesn't make it to the front pages of many papers. —— beat cop summit. the sunday express talks about having a bank holiday

for the coronation. in the observer that the potential to strike. none of the front pages have the immigration story. front pages have the immigration sto . ~ . , front pages have the immigration sto . ~ ., , front pages have the immigration sto ~ ., story. what is your view? the immigration _ story. what is your view? the immigration story _ story. what is your view? the immigration story is - story. what is your view? the immigration story is running. | story. what is your view? the - immigration story is running. the home affairs select committee when it had achieved respectable borders and immigration in front of us, that is when the spotlight really came on to manston and what was happening, the backlogs, the 4000 people who were supposed to be a maximum of 1600 in there. that has been running for several days. we are still not quite clear how the home office has got itself into the position where they have that large number of people and manston. we have also heard about the cost of hotels, 5.6 million a day is being spent on hotels. still not clear what the home secretary in her first tenure did. �* , ., ., ., , .,

did. i'm the show our dealers are story from _ did. i'm the show our dealers are story from the — did. i'm the show our dealers are story from the sunday _ did. i'm the show our dealers are story from the sunday times. - did. i'm the show our dealers are i story from the sunday times. there is a series of expletive laden text from oliver dowden. they are pretty unpleasant. this was meant to be the end of tory turmoil. everything moving on to be boring and sensible again. moving on to be boring and sensible aaain. , , again. this is the third time gavin williamson _ again. this is the third time gavin williamson has _ again. this is the third time gavin williamson has been _ again. this is the third time gavin williamson has been generating l again. this is the third time gavin i williamson has been generating bad headlines, one way or another. the text he sent to the chief whip were unacceptable. rishi sunak does not have the bandwidth for this kind of negative publicity when he is building up towards a really important event on the 17th of november, the budget. it is unacceptable and hugely welcome for the government to have this as a distraction. this time last year, world leaders descended on to glasgow for the cop climate summit and made a series of promises that meant keeping global temperature rises

to 1.5 degrees was just about still possible — anything above that level is the route to disaster. but the vows made then look shaky. if anything, the situation has got worse. labour's ed miliband will be heading to this year's summit in egypt later this week, and he's here now. great to have you here. the aim of last year's cop in glasgow was to keep warming to 1.5 degrees. has the chance to do that slipped out of our reach? we chance to do that slipped out of our reach? ~ ., ., , chance to do that slipped out of our reach? ~ ., ._ .,' reach? we are way off where we need to be. the reach? we are way off where we need to be- the un — reach? we are way off where we need to be. the un issued _ reach? we are way off where we need to be. the un issued a _ reach? we are way off where we need to be. the un issued a report - reach? we are way off where we need to be. the un issued a report last - to be. the un issued a report last week saying we are headed for 2.8 degrees of global warming, partly because the promises made in glasgow were not kept. you'll be view it'll be thinking we're in the middle of an energy crisis. —— your view it'll be thinking. it is cheaper to save the planet than destroy it. that is because solar power and other forms

of renewable energy are so much cheaper than fossil fuels. there of renewable energy are so much cheaper than fossilfuels. there is reason for hope. what we need is british leadership to put forward that agenda. we are putting it forward at home and will be taking it to cop as well.— forward at home and will be taking it to cop as well. when it comes to cop, it to cop as well. when it comes to cop. some — it to cop as well. when it comes to cop, some campaigners _ it to cop as well. when it comes to cop, some campaigners like - it to cop as well. when it comes to cop, some campaigners like that i cop, some campaigners like that temper, i know you have met her, they will think this is a talking shop. if we look at how last year's promises have not been kept, what is the point of these big summits? what is the point of view going along as an opposition politician? it is is the point of view going along as an opposition politician?— an opposition politician? it is an im erfect an opposition politician? it is an imperfect process _ an opposition politician? it is an imperfect process but _ an opposition politician? it is an imperfect process but it - an opposition politician? it is an imperfect process but it is - an opposition politician? it is an imperfect process but it is the l an opposition politician? it is an i imperfect process but it is the best process we have got. the point about the climate crisis is it is a global problem, we cannot sell it on rn. they will regret i have is rishi sunak has sent out a message did about whether he will go on some of his policy agenda that britain is

out of the climate leadership business. britain needs to be in it for climate but also energy bills and energy security. that is the message i will be taking to cop and we will be taking as a country. this we will be taking as a country. as the leadership been a failure? last year 200 countries promised they would come back with more ambitious plans. would come back with more ambitious lans. , :: would come back with more ambitious lans, , ii ., would come back with more ambitious lans. , :: ., ., ., ., plans. only 20 have done that. i do not think it — plans. only 20 have done that. i do not think it has _ plans. only 20 have done that. i do not think it has achieved _ plans. only 20 have done that. i do not think it has achieved what i plans. only 20 have done that. i do not think it has achieved what it i not think it has achieved what it has done. the cop president did a creditable job has done. the cop president did a creditablejob in has done. the cop president did a creditable job in trying. has done. the cop president did a creditablejob in trying. there is a vacuum of leadership. there is a chance for britain to lead. we had a commitment to get to zero carbon power by 2030. that is the labour commitment. power by 2030. that is the labour commitment-— power by 2030. that is the labour commitment. , , ., ., , commitment. why should our viewers have any faith — commitment. why should our viewers have any faith in _ commitment. why should our viewers have any faith in this _ commitment. why should our viewers have any faith in this process - commitment. why should our viewers have any faith in this process at i have any faith in this process at all? what difference does it make politicians like you are getting onto a plane tootle to each other and talk to experts? —— onto a plane

at all. and talk to experts? -- onto a plane at all. ., ., , .,, at all. you can look at this as class at all. you can look at this as glass half— at all. you can look at this as glass half full— at all. you can look at this as glass half full and _ at all. you can look at this as glass half full and glass i at all. you can look at this as glass half full and glass halfl glass half full and glass half empty. despite all of the problems and all of the challenges, countries are moving. not nearly fast enough but the point of leadership and building alliances, which is what we will be doing, is to get others to come with you. we can do that but we must do the right thing at home. if you go, as britain is going to be doing and saying to rishi sunak, we want to lead, you are going hell for leather with fossil fuel alliances, it is inconsistent. you are reneging on your commitment made at glasgow in helping poorer countries. we on your commitment made at glasgow in helping poorer countries.— in helping poorer countries. we will be ”uttin in helping poorer countries. we will be putting some — in helping poorer countries. we will be putting some of _ in helping poorer countries. we will be putting some of that _ in helping poorer countries. we will be putting some of that to - in helping poorer countries. we will be putting some of that to oliver i be putting some of that to oliver dowden later. in terms of you going, one of the issues around this whole meeting is the human rights record of egypt. he has cracked down on

civil society. there is specifically a human rights activist who has been in jail for a human rights activist who has been injailfor nine years. he is on hunger strike. we understand he is going on water strike. do you have any sense of shame in going to cop in egypt? some countries had decided not to go in principle. i will in egypt? some countries had decided not to go in principle.— not to go in principle. i will be raising this — not to go in principle. i will be raising this issue _ not to go in principle. i will be raising this issue and - not to go in principle. i will be raising this issue and i - not to go in principle. i will be raising this issue and i will. not to go in principle. i will be| raising this issue and i will talk to the family before i go. who raising this issue and i will talk to the family before i go. who will ou raise to the family before i go. who will you raise it _ to the family before i go. who will you raise it with? _ to the family before i go. who will you raise it with? i _ to the family before i go. who will you raise it with? i will— to the family before i go. who will you raise it with? i will raise i to the family before i go. who will you raise it with? i will raise it i you raise it with? i will raise it with the egyptians _ you raise it with? i will raise it with the egyptians while i i you raise it with? i will raise it with the egyptians while i am | you raise it with? i will raise it i with the egyptians while i am there. this is somebody who is injail, who has been on this hunger strike. he was jailed, there are social media posts, jailed for the most wrong—headed reasons. we cannot abdicate from leadership. we had to go. i will go and raises issues. d0 go. iwill go and raises issues. do ou go. i will go and raises issues. do you think you should not go because of this? i

you think you should not go because of this? ., ., ., ., , ., of this? i do not want in any way to underestimate _ of this? i do not want in any way to underestimate the _ of this? i do not want in any way to underestimate the importance i of this? i do not want in any way to underestimate the importance of. of this? i do not want in any way to i underestimate the importance of the issue you have raised. the right thing to do is to go and raise it and then engage in these really important issues of climate, which an existential issue facing the world. ., , ., an existential issue facing the world. ., ., ., world. people are often asked to make a sacrifice. _ world. people are often asked to make a sacrifice. why _ world. people are often asked to make a sacrifice. why should i world. people are often asked to i make a sacrifice. why should people in this country think, i'm going to change my lifestyle and do things differently? when you look at statistics, china, india, huge emitters, what is coming out of those countries draws anything. mr; those countries draws anything. iii offer those countries draws anything. m offer and those countries draws anything. mg offer and my appeal to people as we should go green for better lives, not worse lives. if i had been on this programme ten years ago, i would be saying to you, this is the ethical choice, maybe not the economical choice but it is the ethical choice. solar and wind power in britain are nine times cheaper than fossilfeels.

in britain are nine times cheaper than fossil feels. saying in britain are nine times cheaper than fossilfeels. saying no in britain are nine times cheaper than fossil feels. saying no to the renewable revolution we need is not good for bills, it drives them up. our commitment to get to zero emissions in 2030, are planned for gb energy, a publicly owned energy company will create jobs. it is aboutjobs, wealth and opportunity. that is the labour plan to have a publicly owned energy company. we have been talking to people in the private sector and energy experts, asking what is the point of doing that? the private sector has the expertise and technology. why is the government setting up on its own? why is that a good use of public money when budgets are squeezed and tight? $5155 money when budgets are squeezed and ti ht? , ., ., money when budgets are squeezed and tiht? , ., ., , ., tight? 4596 of our offshore wind assets are _ tight? 4596 of our offshore wind assets are owned _ tight? 4596 of our offshore wind assets are owned by _ tight? 4596 of our offshore wind assets are owned by foreign i assets are owned by foreign governments. not foreign companies but foreign governments. all around the world you have countries that are recognising that if you have a

domestic national champion in energy, it can create jobs domestic national champion in energy, it can createjobs in domestic national champion in energy, it can create jobs in the supply chain, guarantee energy security, and it can also ensure you meet your commitments. we will be working with the private sector, it is not going to replace the private sector, it is going to partner with them. it complements the private sector. it does not duplicate it can it complements it because it will drive private investment. if the public sector plays its role, it will somehow stop the private sector investing. it will not, it will leave her in private investment. this week we have seen an electric battery manufacturer in britain in trouble. why is that? i have talked to the people involved. they say, in other countries we get support, we get partnership from government but our government advocates responsibility. our government advocates resonsibili . responsibility. rolls-royce has technology _ responsibility. rolls-royce has technology wants _ responsibility. rolls-royce has

technology wants to _ responsibility. rolls-royce has technology wants to develop i responsibility. rolls-royce has i technology wants to develop and is ready to go. they don't want the government to set up its own company, they want clarity from government but you do not have to spend taxpayer money to set up you're in company. l do spend taxpayer money to set up you're in company.— spend taxpayer money to set up you're in company. i do not agree with that- — you're in company. i do not agree with that. all — you're in company. i do not agree with that. all the _ you're in company. i do not agree with that. all the lessons - you're in company. i do not agree with that. all the lessons from i with that. all the lessons from around the world are if you want to build a supply chain me that the speed you need, there are risks like floating wind and green hydrogen and others, you need that partnership. this is a partnership approach. we will be talking about this probably all the way till the next general election. going back to cop, part of the debate will be about the rich are part of the well paying the poorer part of the world to help them deal with the costs. while countries ought to be giving money to poorer countries that are finding the impact of climate change very difficult. ~ ., ,., the impact of climate change very difficult. ~ ., ., , difficult. will the labour party help this? _ difficult. will the labour party help this? i — difficult. will the labour party help this? i do _ difficult. will the labour party help this? i do not _ difficult. will the labour party help this? i do not see - difficult. will the labour party help this? i do not see it i difficult. will the labour party | help this? i do not see it about reparations. this is about loss and

damage. the fact that poorer countries are facing massive effects of climate change. we see it all around the world. you of climate change. we see it all around the world.— of climate change. we see it all around the world. you can quibble about the terminology. _ around the world. you can quibble about the terminology. the i about the terminology. the terminology _ about the terminology. tue: terminology matters. a about the terminology. tl2 terminology matters. a lot of people are allergic to the term reparation. the labour government would transfer money to the developing world, including china? lriat money to the developing world, including china?— money to the developing world, including china? not china. china is not askin: including china? not china. china is not asking for _ including china? not china. china is not asking for money. _ including china? not china. china is not asking for money. this - including china? not china. china is not asking for money. this is i including china? not china. china is not asking for money. this is about| not asking for money. this is about poorer countries on the front line of the climate crisis. pakistan had disastrous floods recently. it is about global solidarity. we have some historical responsibility but it is about global solidarity and is part of our age commitment. we do not think the government was right to cut its not .78 commitment. l am to cut its not .78 commitment. i am not sa in: to cut its not .78 commitment. i am not saying it — to cut its not .78 commitment. i am not saying it is _ to cut its not .78 commitment. i am not saying it is right _ to cut its not .78 commitment. i am not saying it is right or _ to cut its not .78 commitment. i am not saying it is right or wrong. it i not saying it is right or wrong. it is about supporting poorer countries. it is morally right but also in our self interest as well.

if we do not act and how countries around the world, we will end up with the problem is that countries face intense refugees, for example, coming back onto us.— coming back onto us. china is part ofthe coming back onto us. china is part of the grouo _ coming back onto us. china is part of the grouo of — coming back onto us. china is part of the group of countries - coming back onto us. china is part of the group of countries asking i coming back onto us. china is part| of the group of countries asking for loss and damage, to use that terminology. we loss and damage, to use that terminology-— loss and damage, to use that terminolo: .~ , ., , terminology. we should recognise loss and damage. _ terminology. we should recognise loss and damage. it _ terminology. we should recognise loss and damage. it is _ terminology. we should recognise loss and damage. it is not - terminology. we should recognise loss and damage. it is not about l loss and damage. it is not about giving money to china, i promise you. that is not what this is about. this is about countries like the maldives, pakistan and others. we have aid commitments. it is absolutely about recognising a moral responsibility. absolutely about recognising a moral responsibility-— responsibility. thank you for coming in. we will watch _ responsibility. thank you for coming in. we will watch carefully _ responsibility. thank you for coming in. we will watch carefully what i in. we will watch carefully what happens at the kop in the next couple of weeks. now, these are the latest pictures from the cop gathering in sharm el—sheikh this morning. as we know, world leaders and their accompanying delegates are preparing to spend two weeks wrangling what happens next to protect the planet. but what happens in sharm el—sheikh is important, notjust because of climate change

but also because the uk's had the leading role as cop president, so the uk's reputation is important too — not least for the new prime minister. his right hand man, oliver dowden, is here, otherwise known by his posh name, as the chancellor of the duchy of lancaster. ofa of a cross government role trying to make things happen. the uk's reputation is important in the context of the climate summit, we are way off course, the british presidency has not been a success, has it? l presidency has not been a success, has it? ., �* ~' presidency has not been a success, has it? ., �* ~ ., , ., presidency has not been a success, has it? ., �* 4' ., , ., ., has it? i don't think that is a fair characterisation. _ has it? i don't think that is a fair characterisation. if— has it? i don't think that is a fair characterisation. if you - has it? i don't think that is a fair characterisation. if you look i has it? i don't think that is a fair characterisation. if you look at l characterisation. if you look at what was achieved with the former prime minister at glasgow, we made important steps forward, but at egypt we have to make further progress. i think the uk government is delivering a lot, but clearly we need to have agreement across all nations, and this is an important milestone. i think you'll find, as you go to each one, it is critical, because you need to keep the

momentum going. but because you need to keep the momentum going.— because you need to keep the momentum anoin. �* ., momentum going. but the momentum from glasgow — momentum going. but the momentum from glasgow has _ momentum going. but the momentum from glasgow has stalled, _ momentum going. but the momentum from glasgow has stalled, has - momentum going. but the momentum from glasgow has stalled, has it i from glasgow has stalled, has it not? only 24 out of 193 countries have kept their promise to come back with tougher targets, and the uk itself has not paid all the money as promised. how can you say has been a success? ~ ., ,., ,., ., success? well, we got some important commitments... _ success? well, we got some important commitments... they _ success? well, we got some important commitments... they have _ success? well, we got some important commitments... they have not - success? well, we got some important commitments... they have not been i commitments... they have not been ke t! we commitments... they have not been kept! we need _ commitments... they have not been kept! we need to _ commitments... they have not been kept! we need to make _ commitments... they have not been kept! we need to make more - commitments... they have not been i kept! we need to make more progress, and that is what _ kept! we need to make more progress, and that is what is _ kept! we need to make more progress, and that is what is happening _ kept! we need to make more progress, and that is what is happening in - and that is what is happening in egypt. in terms of what the uk government has done, if you look at renewables in the energy sector, there has been a fourfold increase since the conservatives came into power in 2010, so we are making big progress. we were the first major country in the world to legislate for net—zero... country in the world to legislate for net-zero. . .— country in the world to legislate for net-zero. .. that was a theresa may decision. _ for net-zero. .. that was a theresa may decision, but _ for net-zero. .. that was a theresa may decision, but your _ for net-zero. .. that was a theresa may decision, but your own - for net-zero. .. that was a theresa | may decision, but your own climate change committee, who check your home, they have said the uk is way off track. ~ ., ., ~ home, they have said the uk is way off track. ~ ., ., ,, off track. well, we are making good rouress, off track. well, we are making good progress. but _ off track. well, we are making good progress. but we — off track. well, we are making good progress, but we have _ off track. well, we are making good progress, but we have more - off track. well, we are making good progress, but we have more to i off track. well, we are making good progress, but we have more to do, | off track. well, we are making good i progress, but we have more to do, as all countries do, and i think that is one of the challenges of the

egypt conference, to make sure we continue to make that progress. there is a sense, though, oliver dowden, that the urgency that was palpable in glasgow last year, that has faded, and if you look at what has faded, and if you look at what has happened in this country, you know, the climate chief, alok sharma, booted out of the cabinet, the government has granted 130 new gas and oil licenses, and the uk hasn't even ponied up all the cash it promised in glasgow last year. it has slipped down the agenda, hasn't it? ., , has slipped down the agenda, hasn't it? . , ., ., , has slipped down the agenda, hasn't it? . ,., ._ ., it? that is totally not the case... well, those _ it? that is totally not the case... well, those things _ it? that is totally not the case... well, those things are _ it? that is totally not the case... well, those things are all - it? that is totally not the case... well, those things are all true. i | well, those things are all true. i am happy to deal with each of well, those things are all true. i am happy to deal with each of those things, but the prime minister is strongly committed to this, and you just have to look at his record, whether it was over £30 billion with our climate related support agreed in the last spending review, his commitment to the environment 25 year plan, that was restated over the summer. and in terms of alok sharma, who was an excellent

president of cop, his time is going to expire in a couple of weeks' time, and most people are sick of having cabinet reshuffle is, so the idea was to bring this forward by a couple of weeks, but the prime minister's commitment is absolute to this, and such was his desire to go that he was working over the last weekend, made good progress with the autumn statement in the early part of last week, so he is now able to go to cop... of last week, so he is now able to go to cop- - -_ of last week, so he is now able to go to cop... such was his desire to no that go to cop... such was his desire to go that he — go to cop... such was his desire to go that he wasn't _ go to cop... such was his desire to go that he wasn't going _ go to cop... such was his desire to go that he wasn't going to - go to cop... such was his desire to go that he wasn't going to go? i go to cop... such was his desire to| go that he wasn't going to go? yes, well, the... — go that he wasn't going to go? yes, well, the... the _ go that he wasn't going to go? yes, well, the... the first _ go that he wasn't going to go? 123 well, the... the first priority, coming in, was to deal with this economic crisis that we are facing, and of course we had to make sure that we got the autumn statement in the right place. now, thanks to the work that has happened over last weekend in the early part of this week, he has been able to make sure he can go to the summit, and that is an indication of his commitment. we soke an indication of his commitment. we spoke to ed miliband about the british egyptian human rights activist who is in prison in egypt, it is the government's roll to try

to get him out, any chance of that happening? earlierwe to get him out, any chance of that happening? earlier we raise that at all levels, and you wouldn't expect me to go into the details of his meetings in sharm el—sheikh, but this is top of his agenda. when he raise it when he is there? it is up to the prime minister and it has already been raised by the foreign secretary, i am sure he will raise it appropriate forums. let’s raise it appropriate forums. let's look at something _ raise it appropriate forums. let's look at something else _ raise it appropriate forums. let's look at something else that has been worrying people this week, let's take a look at the screen, i want to show you a graph. now, that is the increase in the number of people crossing the english channel in small boats, the green line, for our viewers, is what has happened this year. look at it growing year upon year. look at it growing year upon year. you are not in control of our borders, are you?— borders, are you? this is a totally

deplorable _ borders, are you? this is a totally deplorable situation, _ borders, are you? this is a totally deplorable situation, it _ borders, are you? this is a totally deplorable situation, it is - deplorable situation, it is unacceptable that we now have a situation, as you can see, of almost 40,000 people crossing the channel... 40,000 people crossing the channel. . .— 40,000 people crossing the channel... �* ., , , channel... and you are responsible for managing _ channel... and you are responsible for managing it- — channel... and you are responsible for managing it. it _ channel... and you are responsible for managing it. it is _ channel... and you are responsible for managing it. it is dangerous i channel... and you are responsible for managing it. it is dangerous forj for managing it. it is dangerous for the --eole for managing it. it is dangerous for the people concerned, _ for managing it. it is dangerous for the people concerned, and - for managing it. it is dangerous for the people concerned, and that i for managing it. it is dangerous for the people concerned, and that is. the people concerned, and that is why the prime minister is totally committed to gripping this. i can tell you that he has been having meetings pretty much every day since he became prime minister to bring forward proposals to address this, whether that is in relation to preventing people coming across in the first place, deterring them, and repatriating them, and processing them, across all those different areas... ., , ., , ., , areas... the conservatives have been in charue areas. .. the conservatives have been in charge for— areas... the conservatives have been in charge for 12 _ areas... the conservatives have been in charge for 12 years, _ areas... the conservatives have been in charge for 12 years, and _ areas... the conservatives have been in charge for 12 years, and you - areas... the conservatives have been in charge for 12 years, and you keep i in charge for 12 years, and you keep telling us the prime minister is committed to this or that, and you have had 12 years, and the situation has got worse. in the last week, we have seen violence, overcrowding, we have seen violence, overcrowding, we have heard of immigrants being dumped in the middle of cities

around the uk, taxpayers concerned about their money being used to put people up in hotels around the country. this is chaotic, isn't it? well, if you are talking about the specific situation at manston, it was the case that there were far too many people at that site, it has a capacity of about 1500, and at one stage they were up to 4000 people there. we continue to make good progress removing people from that facility. the latest numbers i have is that there is about 1800, so we are confident that by... but is that there is about 1800, so we are confident that by. . .— is that there is about 1800, so we are confident that by... but how has the government _ are confident that by... but how has the government allowed _ are confident that by... but how has the government allowed this - the government allowed this situation to get so bad? well, there is a ranae situation to get so bad? well, there is a range of— situation to get so bad? well, there is a range of contributing _ situation to get so bad? well, there is a range of contributing factors i is a range of contributing factors that have driven this surge of people across the channel. for example, it was the case a few years ago that many, many people went across on the channel tunnel, they were able to get access to the site around there. as we have tightened

up around there. as we have tightened up on that, it has created another problem of people..., the situation has got so much worse on your watch. i do not dispute that the situation has gone too far and why people are angry about it. you have seen efforts from the last government to address this. clearly we need to do more, and i can tell you that the prime minister is totally seized of these to make sure that we work through each aspect of this to make sure that we start to control these numbers. i do not say this will be easy at all, it would be challenging for any government, and we are not going to have some sort of panacea overnight, but it is legitimate for people to expect us to greatness, we will. �* .., ,, people to expect us to greatness, we will. ~ i. _, ., people to expect us to greatness, we will. ~ ., , , will. and can you commit to numbers fallin: ? will. and can you commit to numbers falling? we — will. and can you commit to numbers falling? we need _ will. and can you commit to numbers falling? we need to _ will. and can you commit to numbers falling? we need to make _ will. and can you commit to numbers falling? we need to make sure i will. and can you commit to numbers falling? we need to make sure that l falling? we need to make sure that we bear down _ falling? we need to make sure that we bear down on _ falling? we need to make sure that we bear down on those _ falling? we need to make sure that we bear down on those numbers i falling? we need to make sure that| we bear down on those numbers and seek to see a reduction in those numbers, and if you see the kind of exponential growth that you saw on that charge, 28—19, we cannot continue without rate of growth,

because actually the people that pay the price for this are the legitimate refugees, whether that is from ukraine or afghanistan, where we are less able to accommodate them. i we are less able to accommodate them. . , . ~ we are less able to accommodate them. ., , ., ~ ., them. i am sure we will talk about this aaain them. i am sure we will talk about this again in _ them. i am sure we will talk about this again in the _ them. i am sure we will talk about this again in the next _ them. i am sure we will talk about this again in the next few- them. i am sure we will talk about this again in the next few weeks. l them. i am sure we will talk about this again in the next few weeks. i want to show you something else. for the audience, these are messages that gavin williamson, i think you are his boss in the cabinet office, are his boss in the cabinet office, a government minister, to the chief whip wendy morton. i will not read out everything they say, because they contain some pretty unpleasant language. is that an acceptable way to talk to a colleague? m0. language. is that an acceptable way to talk to a colleague?— to talk to a colleague? no, it is not, and these _ to talk to a colleague? no, it is not, and these were _ to talk to a colleague? no, it is not, and these were sent - to talk to a colleague? no, it is not, and these were sent in - to talk to a colleague? no, it is} not, and these were sent in the to talk to a colleague? no, it is - not, and these were sent in the heat of a moment at a difficult time. gavin accepts he shouldn't have said these things and that he regrets it, and we should all treat each other with respect and courtesy, and that was not the case. the with respect and courtesy, and that was not the case.— with respect and courtesy, and that was not the case. the problem with this is that rishi _ was not the case. the problem with this is that rishi sunak, _ was not the case. the problem with this is that rishi sunak, your - was not the case. the problem with this is that rishi sunak, your boss, | this is that rishi sunak, your boss, said on his first day moving into downing street that he would have a government of the highest integrity and accountability and the highest

levels of professionalism. he gave gavin williamson a job back in government, even though he had been warned that there was a complaint of bullying. warned that there was a complaint of bull inc. ~ . , warned that there was a complaint of bull inc. ~ ., warned that there was a complaint of bull in. ~ .,, . bullying. well, it was no secret that gavin _ bullying. well, it was no secret that gavin williamson, - bullying. well, it was no secret that gavin williamson, and - bullying. well, it was no secret i that gavin williamson, and others indeed, did not enjoy a good relationship with the chief whip at the time. it was not the case, though, that the prime minister saw the detail... but though, that the prime minister saw the detail- - -— the detail... but he knew there was a complaint — the detail... but he knew there was a complaint against _ the detail... but he knew there was a complaint against gavin _ a complaint against gavin williamson.— a complaint against gavin williamson. ~ , . williamson. well, the complaint itself is ongoing, _ williamson. well, the complaint itself is ongoing, and _ williamson. well, the complaint itself is ongoing, and i - williamson. well, the complaint itself is ongoing, and i don't - williamson. well, the complaint i itself is ongoing, and i don't think itself is ongoing, and i don't think it would be appropriate for me to prejudge that. it would be appropriate for me to prejudge that-— it would be appropriate for me to prejudge that. hang on, minister, what is to prejudge? _ prejudge that. hang on, minister, what is to prejudge? we - prejudge that. hang on, minister, what is to prejudge? we have - prejudge that. hang on, minister, what is to prejudge? we have all| what is to prejudge? we have all seen the text, there is no dispute, gavin williamson has said he shouldn't have done it. i don't think viewers will think this morning that there has to be a big investigation. he did something he shouldn't have done that was obviously very unpleasant for the person who received those text messages, the prime minister knew there was a complaint about him bullying people and he gave him a job anyway. what is to investigate?

surely that is a complete contradiction of your boss's ambition to have a government of the highest integrity. ambition to have a government of the highest integrity-— highest integrity. well, on the facts of that _ highest integrity. well, on the facts of that exchange, - highest integrity. well, on the facts of that exchange, as - highest integrity. well, on the facts of that exchange, as i i highest integrity. well, on the i facts of that exchange, as i said highest integrity. well, on the - facts of that exchange, as i said to you, that is not acceptable, he shouldn't have said it, he has said that he regrets doing so. what shouldn't have said it, he has said that he regrets doing so.- that he regrets doing so. what is the consequence _ that he regrets doing so. what is the consequence for— that he regrets doing so. what is the consequence for him? - that he regrets doing so. what is the consequence for him? he - that he regrets doing so. what is| the consequence for him? he has civen the consequence for him? he has given some _ the consequence for him? he has given some context, _ the consequence for him? he has given some context, which - the consequence for him? he has given some context, which was i the consequence for him? he has i given some context, which was that this was at a time of heightened frustration, remember as a backbencher to the chief whip... so if you are in a bad mood, it is ok to talk like that to a colleague? this is not acceptable, however there is this complaints process ongoing, and it was not the case that the prime minister had seen this exchange. 50 that the prime minister had seen this exchange.— that the prime minister had seen this exchange. that the prime minister had seen this exchanae. ., .., , . ., this exchange. so no consequence for gavin williamson _ this exchange. so no consequence for gavin williamson for _ this exchange. so no consequence for gavin williamson for doing _ this exchange. so no consequence for gavin williamson for doing this? - this exchange. so no consequence for gavin williamson for doing this? no l gavin williamson for doing this? no punishment? hejust says gavin williamson for doing this? no punishment? he just says sorry and we move on? the punishment? he 'ust says sorry and we move on?— punishment? he 'ust says sorry and we move on? the complaints process is onauoin , we move on? the complaints process is ongoing. so — we move on? the complaints process is ongoing. so you — we move on? the complaints process is ongoing, so you cannot _ we move on? the complaints process is ongoing, so you cannot say - we move on? the complaints process is ongoing, so you cannot say we - is ongoing, so you cannot say we will have a complaints process and then have a minister come on the show and started to prejudge. what is right for me to say is that this is right for me to say is that this is not acceptable, that is what gavin himself has accepted. what i

am also saying to you is let the process complete.— am also saying to you is let the process complete. what i think a lot of viewers would _ process complete. what i think a lot of viewers would say _ process complete. what i think a lot of viewers would say is _ process complete. what i think a lot of viewers would say is that - process complete. what i think a lot of viewers would say is that the - of viewers would say is that the message the government has sent by giving him ajob message the government has sent by giving him a job in the knowledge that there was a complaint about him is that it is ok to do that and get thejob back in government. has” the job back in government. as i said, the prime _ the job back in government. " i said, the prime minister had not seen the specifics of that exchange, you have seen what the former chairman, jake berry, said, and it was no great secret that there was not a good relationship between the two of them. not a good relationship between the two of them-— two of them. oliver dowden, thank ou for two of them. oliver dowden, thank you for coming _ two of them. oliver dowden, thank you for coming in, _ two of them. oliver dowden, thank you for coming in, we _ two of them. oliver dowden, thank you for coming in, we will- two of them. oliver dowden, thank you for coming in, we will see - two of them. oliver dowden, thank you for coming in, we will see how| you for coming in, we will see how that transpires in the next few days. great to have you here. ears pricked during both of those interviews, this morning's brains trust to help us make sense of it. myles allen, you heard both of our politicians talking about climate change in the uk approach, what is your reaction to the level of

commitment?— your reaction to the level of commitment? ~ , ., commitment? well, they are both t in: to commitment? well, they are both trying to make _ commitment? well, they are both trying to make the _ commitment? well, they are both trying to make the best _ commitment? well, they are both trying to make the best of- commitment? well, they are both trying to make the best of it, - commitment? well, they are both trying to make the best of it, of i trying to make the best of it, of the situation they are in, and i think we need to be real with people about where we are. i mean, when we discovered the need for net—zero emissions 15 years ago, we have just learned through... in case you're wondering, each of lumps represents half a trillion tonnes of fossil carbon, and if you burn it and dump the emissions into the atmosphere, this first one took millions of years. 15 years later, we are halfway through the next i years. 15 years later, we are halfway through the nexti trillion tonnes. that will take us to two degrees. in the meantime, we have decided we would like to stop at 1.5. the thing i would like all of these politicians to acknowledge is that we have to stop few also fuels from causing global warming before the world stops using fossil fuels.

some climate activists would say thatis some climate activists would say that is a controversial thing to say, that it should be let's get rid of fossil fuels, let's get off the addiction to carbon, but you are saying there isn't time to do that. it would be great if we could all just say no to fossil fuels, but fossil abstinence isn't working. we need to stop the problem at source. it is perfectly possible to use fossil fuels without causing global warming, you just have to start that would stop putting the carbon emissions into the atmosphere. the cost of capturing every single molecule of carbon dioxide generated by the natural gas we use in the uk would be lip per kilowatt hour. we currently pay, the average price cap is slip, and yet no—one was asking the fossil fuel companies that supply us with that gas to deal with the carbon dioxide they are generating in that way. you diana, what do you make of

oliver dowden's answers on immigration? the government is in a bad position politically on this. the home secretary wrote an opinion piece in the mail on sunday saying people who come illegally are not welcome even though britain is generous. we have seen problems with violence and the overcrowding at manston. what did he make of it? he is manston. what did he make of it? he: is failing to recognise this has been building for some time. it has notjust happened in the last few weeks. with the increasing number of people coming across in small votes. there is a huge backlog in the asylum system. we know 96% of the people who came across in small boats last year are still waiting for a decision. this has been building. the home office were already planning for increasing numbers this year. that is why i am so surprised they had got themselves

into such a mess at manston. this is successive governments. they have been watching these figures grow. there was quite a lot of talk actually with ed miliband and oliver dowden about leadership. one of the things the government needs to do is provide some leadership in terms of dealing with european countries because we do not have deals about returning people. we haven't really got the correct arrangements with france in order to protect the border and making sure people do not travel. we border and making sure people do not travel. ~ ~ ~ , travel. we think the prime minister is auoin to travel. we think the prime minister is going to meet — travel. we think the prime minister is going to meet emmanuel - travel. we think the prime ministerj is going to meet emmanuel macron travel. we think the prime minister i is going to meet emmanuel macron at cop summit. whatever the summit there are always opportunities for diplomatic moments to occur. what do you think has actually gone wrong? i think, to be honest, we produced a report from the home affairs select committee in the summer. we were very clear in that the government had taken it i of the nitty—gritty,

the day—to—day dealings with immigration. having then right number of people dealing with asylum claims. —— having the right number of people. they had missed their target and taking more people on. they have taken people on but are they getting the right support and training to make good decisions? the whole thing goes on and on if there is an appeal. the key thing about manston is, the fact is so many people wait decisions in hotels. that is the blockage and why the home affairs select committee says the first thing to do is clear the backlog. the first thing to do is clear the backlou. ., ., ., , , backlog. that would open up the s stem. backlog. that would open up the system- with — backlog. that would open up the system. with the _ backlog. that would open up the system. with the autumn i backlog. that would open up the i system. with the autumn statement coming there is a lot in the papers this morning about different options for the economy. you were, and we can see the pictures, part of george osborne's team in 2010. we all looked a lot younger then! that was a huge political and huge economic

moment, a new coalition government came in and made very tough decisions on spending, cut a lot of budgets. how would you compare this moment? ~ ., ., , ., ~' budgets. how would you compare this moment? ~ ., ., ~ moment? what do you think the scale ofthe moment? what do you think the scale of the challenges? _ moment? what do you think the scale of the challenges? i _ moment? what do you think the scale of the challenges? i think _ moment? what do you think the scale of the challenges? i think it _ moment? what do you think the scale of the challenges? i think it is - of the challenges? i think it is another moment. we are in a moment. we have left the european union and we have had covid. it is about building for the future. the backdrop is very different me was a credit crunch, we fought an election on the government needed to get britain's finances into shape and live in its means. we got on to deliver that. we had a mandate to do that. interest rates were low and people had more money in their pockets. the challenge now is, it is a very different world. what the markets want to see is a long—term plan for britain getting its public finances in order. that also ties to the mandate borisjohnson won on

levelling up. is the issue of too many lives off track in britain and costing money and getting them on track? people being disconnected from opportunity and this being a country where people cannot afford to heat homes and put food on the table. at the same time, companies i work with say they cannot find the skills to build greatjobs and careers they have already got. this is a time i think on the 17th of november and beyond will be taken decision, just as governments took the decision after world war ii. is it too hard to create the nhs or welfare state? we need to make sure that britain is now connecting people up to opportunities and clearing the way for talent to succeed. . ~ clearing the way for talent to succeed. ., ~ , ., , . succeed. thank you very much. fascinating _ succeed. thank you very much. fascinating to _ succeed. thank you very much. fascinating to hear— succeed. thank you very much. fascinating to hear you - succeed. thank you very much. fascinating to hear you say i succeed. thank you very much. fascinating to hear you say it i succeed. thank you very much. fascinating to hear you say it is like a post—world war ii moment. we are seeing that the government comes up are seeing that the government comes up with next week. in a moment we will hearfrom sir ed davey, the lib

dems leader. as we have been discussing, the government is about to unveil huge decisions about how they spend our money and make ends meet. next week's programme, just before the autumn statement, we are hoping jeremy hunt and rachel reeves will both be here. we would love to know the questions he would want to put with them. what is going on with your family put with them. what is going on with yourfamily budget? what put with them. what is going on with your family budget? what is put with them. what is going on with yourfamily budget? what is going on in your business or public services? the best way to get in touch is to e—mail. sir ed davey is her — waiting patiently. you have the energy secretary and the coalition. do you think there is any chance of cop this week being a success? i

any chance of cop this week being a success? ., ., ~' any chance of cop this week being a success? ., ., ~ ,., success? i do not think so, unfortunately. _ success? i do not think so, unfortunately. i— success? i do not think so, unfortunately. i do - success? i do not think so, unfortunately. i do not- success? i do not think so, unfortunately. i do not end success? i do not think so, i unfortunately. i do not end there has been the leadership, eitherfrom our country or other countries. the backdrop is of international disruption. people have not seen the opportunity. the opportunity that if you invest in renewables, you invest in peoples homes, you'll other people's bills, really important at the moment, and to protect the environment and illinois president putin because you get great energy security for our country and the western world. —— and you annoy president putin. there should have been in the run—up and opportunity for people across the world to be taken and that does not seem to have happened. taken and that does not seem to have ha ened. , taken and that does not seem to have ha--ened. , . ., ., happened. there is so much going on at home. happened. there is so much going on at home- many _ happened. there is so much going on at home. many of— happened. there is so much going on at home. many of our— happened. there is so much going on at home. many of our viewers - happened. there is so much going on at home. many of our viewers will- happened. there is so much going on at home. many of our viewers will be | at home. many of our viewers will be so much more focused on things affecting them. you have announced a plan to help homeowners pay their mortgages today. you will get anyone

facing a rise in mortgage payments the equivalent of 10% of their income, a grant of up to £3000 a month, why? the income, a grant of up to £3000 a month. why?— month, why? the conservatives trashed the _ month, why? the conservatives trashed the economy. _ month, why? the conservatives trashed the economy. the i month, why? the conservatives i trashed the economy. the chaotic handling has meant mortgage rates going up and many families already struggling with food and energy bills seeing mortgage payments go up by hundreds of pounds a month. previously, there were schemes to help families who were really struggling. back during the financial crisis there is a similar scheme to the one we are proposing, which helping hundreds of thousands of people. but the liberal democrats are saying is there needs to be that help again. i am quite alarmed the conservatives, who caused this mess, were causing painful hundreds of thousands of families, have not actually try to help. people who own their own hands _ actually try to help. people who own their own hands and _ actually try to help. people who own their own hands and they _ actually try to help. people who own their own hands and they have i actually try to help. people who own their own hands and they have a i their own hands and they have a mortgage, people who have their full assets, some of them might be on high salaries, they need the most

help now? high salaries, they need the most hel now? , ., ., , help now? they would not get help and to this game. _ help now? they would not get help and to this game. it _ help now? they would not get help and to this game. it will— help now? they would not get help and to this game. it will only i help now? they would not get help and to this game. it will only go i help now? they would not get help and to this game. it will only go to | and to this game. it will only go to those who are really struggling. hose those who are really struggling. how then? let me _ those who are really struggling. how then? let me take _ those who are really struggling. how then? let me take you _ those who are really struggling. how then? let me take you through. i those who are really struggling. how then? let me take you through. we | then? let me take you through. we think banks — then? let me take you through. we think banks and _ then? let me take you through. we think banks and building _ then? let me take you through. we think banks and building societies, l think banks and building societies, the people lending think banks and building societies, the people [ending the money, have to reach out and help their customers. if people are struggling, their banks and building societies need to work through, people who have got arrears and people facing repossessions. there is a real onus on banks and building societies. hose on banks and building societies. how would our on banks and building societies. how would your scheme work? if - on banks and building societies. how would your scheme work? if they i on banks and building societies. how would your scheme work? if they failj would your scheme work? if they fail and there are — would your scheme work? if they fail and there are still _ would your scheme work? if they fail and there are still a _ would your scheme work? if they fail and there are still a problem, - would your scheme work? if they fail and there are still a problem, we i and there are still a problem, we are talking about people who are really struggling, there needs to be helped from the government, as there used to be. what i find astonishing is the conservatives have caused this mess. even the governor of the bank of england was saying that. tim bank of england was saying that. i'm still not clear about how the scheme would work. how would people be eligible? who would be eligible for the extra cash?—

eligible? who would be eligible for the extra cash? ., ., , the extra cash? those who are seeing mortuaae the extra cash? those who are seeing mortgage payments _ the extra cash? those who are seeing mortgage payments going _ the extra cash? those who are seeing mortgage payments going up - the extra cash? those who are seeing mortgage payments going up the i the extra cash? those who are seeing| mortgage payments going up the most and are struggling the most. we had the lessons from the past. we are not creating something completely new. this is something that used to be there to help people who were facing repossession, facing homelessness, people who are really struggling. t homelessness, people who are really stru: rulin. . homelessness, people who are really strua alian. . , struggling. i hear the sentiment. you want to _ struggling. i hear the sentiment. you want to help _ struggling. i hear the sentiment. you want to help people - struggling. i hear the sentiment. you want to help people having i struggling. i hear the sentiment. | you want to help people having a hard time keeping up with mortgage payments. there will be many in that situation. he will get the help? festival they had to be struggling. how do you define that? == festival they had to be struggling. how do you define that?— festival they had to be struggling. how do you define that? -- first of all they have _ how do you define that? -- first of all they have to _ how do you define that? -- first of all they have to be _ how do you define that? -- first of all they have to be struggling. if i all they have to be struggling. if they have a real problem, facing months of arrears, by definition they are struggling, almost self defining. and we will look at how much mortgage payments have gone up. i come back to this, laura they used to be this scheme, schemes like this to be this scheme, schemes like this to help people. helping hundreds of thousands of people. h

to help people. helping hundreds of thousands of people.— thousands of people. if somebody watchina thousands of people. if somebody watching this _ thousands of people. if somebody watching this morning _ thousands of people. if somebody watching this morning might i thousands of people. if somebody i watching this morning might actually be quite well—paid, they might be a senior teacher, for example, adding £60,000 to £70,000. they might have seen a huge increase in mortgage payments, maybe £5,000 car £6,000 a year, with baby in need of help? they might feel they are struggling and yet they are on three times the median salary. and yet they are on three times the median salary-— median salary. loads of people are strua alain median salary. loads of people are struggling all— median salary. loads of people are struggling all across _ median salary. loads of people are struggling all across the _ median salary. loads of people are struggling all across the income i struggling all across the income scale. the government needs to find different ways of helping then, most of all not making the mess in the first place. let's be clear, people who are struggling the most and who could face repossession, we are targeting a help at those, as used to happen. that would seem reasonable.— to happen. that would seem reasonable. ., ., ., , reasonable. you are not giving us details of exactly _ reasonable. you are not giving us details of exactly who _ reasonable. you are not giving us details of exactly who and - reasonable. you are not giving us details of exactly who and how i reasonable. you are not giving us i details of exactly who and how their decisions are made. many people struggling are people who rent. why are you giving help, offering

generous help to people who own their own homes and nothing extra for renters? irate their own homes and nothing extra for renters?— for renters? we have a package to hel- for renters? we have a package to help renters _ for renters? we have a package to help renters as — for renters? we have a package to help renters as well. _ for renters? we have a package to help renters as well. we _ for renters? we have a package to help renters as well. we are i for renters? we have a package to| help renters as well. we are calling on the government to implement long promised the plan, they keep delaying it. —— long promised plan. there should be a ban on no—fault evictions. there should be a ban on no-fault evictions. . . , there should be a ban on no-fault evictions. . ., , ., ., ., evictions. that has nothing to do with paying _ evictions. that has nothing to do with paying the _ evictions. that has nothing to do with paying the bills. _ evictions. that has nothing to do with paying the bills. in - evictions. that has nothing to do with paying the bills. in terms i evictions. that has nothing to do with paying the bills. in terms ofj with paying the bills. in terms of cash help. _ with paying the bills. in terms of cash help. you — with paying the bills. in terms of cash help, you have _ with paying the bills. in terms of cash help, you have a _ with paying the bills. in terms of cash help, you have a big - with paying the bills. in terms of cash help, you have a big offeri with paying the bills. in terms of| cash help, you have a big offer to people with mortgages, is there a similar cash offerfor people with mortgages, is there a similar cash offer for people who are struggling to pay their rent? in are struggling to pay their rent? in the past they used to be a similar scheme, which is what we are modelling on, for people on mortgages and the conservatives got rid of that. there is a helpful people renting and it is called housing benefit.— people renting and it is called housina benefit. . . . ., housing benefit. what we are doing and bringing _ housing benefit. what we are doing and bringing back— housing benefit. what we are doing and bringing back the _ housing benefit. what we are doing and bringing back the mortgage i housing benefit. what we are doing | and bringing back the mortgage and protection fund is bringing back something the conservatives got rid of so we can balance up between people struggling with mortgages and arrears and people who are renting. they are quite parallel, quite

similar, in a sense that trying to get the government to get rid of its ban on no—fault evictions is in many ways similar to try to get help so people are not repossessed. irate ways similar to try to get help so people are not repossessed. we are almost there. _ people are not repossessed. we are almost there. i _ people are not repossessed. we are almost there, i know _ people are not repossessed. we are almost there, i know you _ people are not repossessed. we are almost there, i know you want i people are not repossessed. we are almost there, i know you want to i almost there, i know you want to build the liberal democrats on their success in by—elections and get the numbers up to something much more healthy and —— in the house of commons. would you go into coalition again? ma; commons. would you go into coalition aaain? y . . commons. would you go into coalition aaain? g . ., ., again? my mandate was to beat conservative — again? my mandate was to beat conservative mps. _ again? my mandate was to beat conservative mps. i— again? my mandate was to beat conservative mps. i make i again? my mandate was to beat conservative mps. i make no i conservative mps. i make no apologies for that. he conservative mps. i make no apologies for that.— conservative mps. i make no apologies for that. conservative mps. i make no a-oaloies for that. ., , .,, , apologies for that. he would prop up labour and apologies for that. he would prop up labour and not _ apologies for that. he would prop up labour and not the _ apologies for that. he would prop up labour and not the tories? - apologies for that. he would prop up labour and not the tories? do i apologies for that. he would prop up labour and not the tories? do not i labour and not the tories? do not rut words labour and not the tories? do not put words in _ labour and not the tories? do not put words in my — labour and not the tories? do not put words in my mouth. _ labour and not the tories? do not put words in my mouth. i- labour and not the tories? do not put words in my mouth. i am i labour and not the tories? do not i put words in my mouth. i am focusing on myjob and my mandate. i have been fighting conservatives all my life. i want to make sure we get rid of as many conservative mps as possible. the only way to get rid of

the conservative government is across the blue wall, people voting liberal democrats and getting rid of conservative mps.— conservative mps. thank you for comina conservative mps. thank you for coming in- _ now, let's talk about something cheery, rememberthis? that magic moment when the lionesses, england's women, lifted the euros trophy. # it's coming home... # the achievement was huge, the excitement massive — but it was a long journey to get there. baroness sue campbell is the director of women's football and to many, the power behind the goals. we have really been looking forward to you coming in this morning. one of the aims after that stunning success was to get more girls to paper but i make it possible for all girls in school to play football. has that happened? no. lottie and

leah were on the bus on the way into trafalgar square, they approached me to say, we don't want the legacy to just be this moment, we want the legacy to be that no girl in the future has to struggle like we have struggled to play football, whether at school or in a club, many had to battle prejudice and difficulties to get through to where they are. i said that is terrific. they wrote to both potential prime ministers at the time and we asked, we are absolutely determined we want to work together to make it happen. have you heard anything back? there has been a bit going on in downing street but have you heard anything back? we street but have you heard anything back? ~ ~ . ., back? we met with michelle and liz truss. back? we met with michelle and liz truss- they — back? we met with michelle and liz truss. they came _ back? we met with michelle and liz truss. they came to _ back? we met with michelle and liz truss. they came to visit _ back? we met with michelle and liz truss. they came to visit the - truss. they came to visit the players before liz truss left us. they did listen. michelle donovan was very clear that she wants to make something happen. the big issue is the demand department for

education, we really need their support and the department of health. it is notjust about sport, it is about educational attainment, health, social interaction. we believe it is one of the most powerful tools you have in changing peoples lives. the players are very committed to follow it through. they will not be shaken off, i can assure you. they are determined just as they were to win the euros. they are determined this will be achieved. really interesting to hear how you get on. we have been told you are quite modest and do not like to take personal credit for everything they have achieved, so we did something you do not know about, we have asked them to describe how important you are. i'm going to show this to you, if you want to look into the camera over there. i think it's hard to put into words what sue campbell has done for our team, in terms of all the hard work behind—the—scenes, the way she fights for us. she's done that for so many years,

behind closed doors with no thanks. but i think you see now kind of the fruits of her labour and hopefully that continues. baroness sue campbell, where do i begin? your impact on the women's game has been tremendous. the work you've put in, the hours on and off the field, in boardrooms fighting for us. we are so thankful. what we produced this summer was all through your hard work off the pitch. we produced it on the pitch. you always believed in us. you came to every camp, you brought enthusiasm. you brought hunger, you brought desire. through you, we showed what we could do on the pitch. we are so thankful for you, and keep fighting. the team that she's put together in terms of. the staff has been- absolutely phenomenal. we wouldn't have had any- of the success if it wasn't for her putting that team in place. we're forever thankful to her for that. - we are hoping for much more from women's football. and to share that summer with her was really special. she's our biggest fan.

i think they are your biggest fans! talking about your contribution to the game, how did you feel watching that? in my team, there wasn't a dry eye! that? in my team, there wasn't a dry e e! ,, ., ., ., , , that? in my team, there wasn't a dry ee!., ., .,., , , eye! quite emotional, this is a very s-ecial eye! quite emotional, this is a very special group _ eye! quite emotional, this is a very special group of — eye! quite emotional, this is a very special group of women, _ eye! quite emotional, this is a very special group of women, and i eye! quite emotional, this is a very special group of women, and none | eye! quite emotional, this is a very i special group of women, and none of these things happen... leadership is about galvanising people around you, creating a sense of mission and helping to support people to get to that mission, and the success this summer has taken years to put together, with a great team at the football association, we have added that magic piece of the jigsaw, which is a world—class coach, sarina has arrived, a wonderful leader, great people manager, brilliant, open, honest communication, and that has added the extra piece to the jigsaw puzzle. has added the extra piece to the jigsaw puzzle-— jigsaw puzzle. talking about leadership. _ jigsaw puzzle. talking about leadership, it _ jigsaw puzzle. talking about leadership, it is _ jigsaw puzzle. talking about leadership, it is clear- jigsaw puzzle. talking about leadership, it is clear the i jigsaw puzzle. talking about - leadership, it is clear the impact you has had behind—the—scenes, i'm

delighted to show that to the audience this morning. talking of leadership, the women's world cup is in australia and new zealand, but the men's world cup is in qatar, and beth mead has made it clear, as many people have, but because of the attitude and cut out towards lgbt rights, that it shouldn't be happening, that it is not appropriate. what is your view? first of all, we do not decide where the world cup is held, and i were male players have made very clear that they have their own values and they will show those and they will wear... harry will wear the one live band, and we will continue to show that we have very different values and we live by those values. but the games are in qatar, and we are going to do our best, and we wish gareth and the team the very best of luck, but, you know, we accept that some progress has been made, but there is an awful lot more to be made in the future. 1, ., ,, ,, an awful lot more to be made in the future. ., ,, ,, ., ,, an awful lot more to be made in the future. 1, ., ,, ,, ., , , ., ~ future. baroness sue campbell, thank ou ve future. baroness sue campbell, thank you very much — future. baroness sue campbell, thank you very much for _ future. baroness sue campbell, thank you very much for coming _ future. baroness sue campbell, thank you very much for coming in, - future. baroness sue campbell, thank you very much for coming in, we - future. baroness sue campbell, thank you very much for coming in, we have| you very much for coming in, we have been trying to get you for a long

time, so great to have you here. as we get towards ten o'clock, remember we started an hour ago with the cop climate summit starting, asking if we could afford to solve the climate crisis right now, or if we can afford not to act. let's hear again from ed miliband for labour. i have been out of these summits, laura, and if you go in saying, like rishi sunak, we want to lead, and people say you have got a ban on onshore wind power, fossilfuel licenses, that is inconsistent, you are reneging on commitments to help poorer countries, that is not leadership. we poorer countries, that is not leadership-— poorer countries, that is not leadershi-. ~ ., ., ., ., leadership. we are going to come to that in a second, _ leadership. we are going to come to that in a second, but _ leadership. we are going to come to that in a second, but justine - that in a second, butjustine greening, ijust remembered you were education secretary, as well as all the other things, listening to sue campbell, the government has got to do betterfor girls' campbell, the government has got to do better for girls' sport, campbell, the government has got to do betterfor girls' sport, do you agree? i do better for girls' sport, do you auree? . , agree? i agree, i did swimming when i was younger. _ agree? i agree, i did swimming when i was younger, and _ agree? i agree, i did swimming when i was younger, and i _ agree? i agree, i did swimming when i was younger, and i learned - agree? i agree, i did swimming when i was younger, and i learned so - agree? i agree, i did swimming whenj i was younger, and i learned so much from that, persistence and resilience, that is how i have been able to have success in my own life,

so i think it is crucial. the other thing that was really important was she said leadership was about giving people a sense of mission, and i think whatever happens on the 17th of november, what the government and rishi sunak needs to do is give the british people a sense of mission. where are we going? what is the point of any short—term sacrifices if it can lead to a better version of britain that has equality of opportunity in the long term, people can buy into that. you opportunity in the long term, people can buy into that.— can buy into that. you think that is missin: can buy into that. you think that is missing right _ can buy into that. you think that is missing right now? _ can buy into that. you think that is missing right now? he _ can buy into that. you think that is missing right now? he came - can buy into that. you think that is missing right now? he came into l missing right now? he came into office when _ missing right now? he came into office when he _ missing right now? he came into office when he wasn't _ missing right now? he came into office when he wasn't expecting l missing right now? he came into i office when he wasn't expecting to, but he does need to set out where he wants to take britain and why, what is a good version of this country is trying to create. louie is a good version of this country is trying to create-— is a good version of this country is trying to create. we are very short on time, diana, _ trying to create. we are very short on time, diana, when _ trying to create. we are very short on time, diana, when it _ trying to create. we are very short on time, diana, when it comes - trying to create. we are very short on time, diana, when it comes to | on time, diana, when it comes to climate change, as someone who has beenin climate change, as someone who has been in politics for a while, do you feel politicians have gripped it? no, but i think they are starting to and there — no, but i think they are starting to and there is— no, but i think they are starting to and there is a real impetus to do much _ and there is a real impetus to do much more _ and there is a real impetus to do much more. can i go back to what justine _ much more. can i go back to what justine was— much more. can i go back to what justine was saying? levelling was what _

justine was saying? levelling was what this— justine was saying? levelling was what this government was talking about, _ what this government was talking about, that was their mission statement, and as a northern mp, i am really— statement, and as a northern mp, i am really looking for the 17th of november, what will i deliver for my area, _ november, what will i deliver for my area, for— november, what will i deliver for my area, for yorkshire and the north, because _ area, for yorkshire and the north, because we — area, for yorkshire and the north, because we are hearing they will cut, because we are hearing they will out they— because we are hearing they will cut, they are not investing. gne because we are hearing they will cut, they are not investing. one of the thin . s cut, they are not investing. one of the things we _ cut, they are not investing. one of the things we will— cut, they are not investing. one of the things we will be _ cut, they are not investing. one of the things we will be talking - cut, they are not investing. one of the things we will be talking aboutj the things we will be talking about next week. myles allen, how do you think the sense of urgency is there to deal with climate change? i think --eole to deal with climate change? i think people have — to deal with climate change? i think people have to _ to deal with climate change? i think people have to realise _ to deal with climate change? i think people have to realise this - to deal with climate change? i think people have to realise this is - to deal with climate change? i think people have to realise this is a - people have to realise this is a fixable — people have to realise this is a fixable problem. _ people have to realise this is a fixable problem. for— people have to realise this is a fixable problem. for less- people have to realise this is a fixable problem. for less than| people have to realise this is a . fixable problem. for less than the combined — fixable problem. for less than the combined taxes, _ fixable problem. for less than the combined taxes, profits _ fixable problem. for less than the combined taxes, profits and - combined taxes, profits and royalties— combined taxes, profits and royalties that _ combined taxes, profits and royalties that are _ combined taxes, profits and royalties that are paid, - combined taxes, profits and| royalties that are paid, what combined taxes, profits and - royalties that are paid, what we pay for gas, _ royalties that are paid, what we pay for gas, that— royalties that are paid, what we pay for gas, that would _ royalties that are paid, what we pay for gas, that would be _ royalties that are paid, what we pay for gas, that would be enough- royalties that are paid, what we pay for gas, that would be enough to i for gas, that would be enough to capture _ for gas, that would be enough to capture every— for gas, that would be enough to capture every molecule - for gas, that would be enough to capture every molecule the - for gas, that would be enough to capture every molecule the gas i capture every molecule the gas generate — capture every molecule the gas generate out _ capture every molecule the gas generate out of— capture every molecule the gas generate out of the _ capture every molecule the gas i generate out of the atmosphere, stick— generate out of the atmosphere, stick it— generate out of the atmosphere, stick it back _ generate out of the atmosphere, stick it back under— generate out of the atmosphere, stick it back under the _ generate out of the atmosphere, stick it back under the north- generate out of the atmosphere, stick it back under the north sea| stick it back under the north sea twice _ stick it back under the north sea twice oven — stick it back under the north sea twice oven we _ stick it back under the north sea twice over. we have _ stick it back under the north sea twice over. we have to- stick it back under the north sea twice over. we have to get - stick it back under the north sea twice over. we have to get the l twice over. we have to get the fossil— twice over. we have to get the fossil fuel _ twice over. we have to get the fossil fuel industry— twice over. we have to get the fossil fuel industry acting - fossil fuel industry acting responsibly— fossil fuel industry acting responsibly and - fossil fuel industry acting responsibly and not - fossil fuel industry acting - responsibly and not fly—tipping their— responsibly and not fly—tipping their waste _ responsibly and not fly—tipping their waste product _ responsibly and not fly—tipping their waste product into- responsibly and not fly—tipping their waste product into the i their waste product into the atmosphere _ their waste product into the atmosphere. we— their waste product into the atmosphere.— their waste product into the atmosphere. their waste product into the atmoshere. ~ ., . , ., atmosphere. we have heard your messaue atmosphere. we have heard your message loud — atmosphere. we have heard your message loud and _ atmosphere. we have heard your message loud and clear, - atmosphere. we have heard your message loud and clear, thank. atmosphere. we have heard your i message loud and clear, thank you for being here, all three of you. time for something slightly different. we've been talking about prosperity and prospects for the planet this morning,

which makes me think of "live long and prosper," spock's famous blessing in the star trek series. and last year, science fiction became real when william shatner, captain kirk, reached the final frontier at the age of 90, travelling into space onjeff bezos' spaceship. i've been talking to the actor, and environmentalist, who's just written a book, boldly go, where he reveals how his trip to space made him feel about planet earth. so finally we got up, and everybody played around in weightlessness. i made my way to the window, and for some reason i looked behind me. oh, wow... and i sold the wake of the spaceships radio, like a submarine going through the water. i can't believe this... i thought, wow, i had never heard anyone talk about that, and i looked ahead of me, and i saw... isaw

about that, and i looked ahead of me, and i saw... i saw the blackness of space, and i have had a great deal to do with space, you know, i have talked to scientists and looked through telescopes, and i have loved the mystery of space. that blackness had nothing to it. there was no alleviating mystery there. the only mystery was how palpably black it was. and in that moment, i thought i saw death. when i looked back there, and i saw the beige of the desert that we had just left and the white clouds and the blue sky, i saw life. so death — life. and then that was my overwhelming feeling until we got back. and when i stepped off of the spaceship, i started to cry. what you have given me is the most profound experience i can imagine. i'm so filled with emotion about whatjust happened, i—i just... it's extraordinary, extraordinary. i was weeping,

and i had no idea why. and i was just...so confused. i had to sit down for several minutes when i realised i was in grief. what was i in grief about? i've been an ecologist for a long time, and i realised i was in grief for the world. you write in your book about the fragility of earth and how everything in nature is connected, and how if we remove any of those links, everything ends up endangered. that's what i think the point of my book is — the interconnection of people, of people to nature, of nature to the universe. and i tried to give that sense of vibration — being aware of how connected we all are and how to tune in to that vibrating universe. that's what i think the book is about. it is about that, but it's also about the impact you fear the human race is having on the planet

and how you see that accelerating. we don't realise how close we are to total destruction! we are on the edge of a precipice. it isn't like we're wandering along a path, maybe we should turn off the path. we're about to go over the edge, we're killing ourselves. that's the imperative of what i... "are you worried about it?" no, i'm not worried about it. i'm in the agony of my kids, my grandkids. it's just terrible. and everybody�*s saying, "well, maybe there is, maybe there isn't, and we're going to to do something soon." and we're at war, you know, the war is using up all our energies that should be going to taking care of the earth, we're destroying... it's just... the madness, the insanity of itjust plagues me to the degree of anger and that sorrow. why, though, is it the right thing for there to be a sort of billionaire space race? should people be engaging in space travel for fun, as you did,

given the amount of resources in carbon that uses? one element of getting into space, though, which isjeff bezos' idea, which is to get all the polluting industries up, into, you know, 200,300 miles into orbit and have our industry up there polluting up there, where it doesn't matter, and have the people live up there come down onto earth, which is now green and non—polluting and like it was before the industrial revolution or something like that. so i said, "well, that's 100 years from now." he said, "well, you got to have hope." "without hope, what do you got?" and tell me more about how the journey into space in real life changed how you think of your own sense of mortality. it made me this emotional thing you're hearing, you're looking at right now. so i saw the curvature of the earth, and, you know, everybody talks about it. but i saw if i continue the circle with my finger,

i could circle this little rock that we're all living on. we're on this little insignificant rock going around an insignificant star in a somewhat insignificant milky way. and we're billions upon billions of what we can see, which only means what we can see, because it doesn't make sense to me that what we can see is all there is. and finally "live long and prosper" is that phrase you'll be very familiar with. you've certainly lived long and well and prospered in all sorts of ways. what's been your secret? there's no secret. i think that, as i get closer and closer to dying, i think i see how precious life is. and if only we could inculcate that in... well, we do, in our children, if only we keep that curiosity of children alive. i mean, just acquiring knowledge

is in itself an adventure. the amazing adventures of william shatner and what he fears is at stake. that is it for us this morning, when it seemed that politicians of all stripes say they want to ease the climate crisis, but when it comes to action, that is not so straightforward, and the atmosphere is certainly very different to this time last year when that huge climate get—together in glasgow did have a real sense of urgency. we will be watching carefully to see what happens in egypt and what is or is not agreed. i can't help thinking that we have not heard the last of the embarrassment for conservative minister gavin williamson. it is early in his time in office for rishi sunak to be dealing with that kind of

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