four hello, i'm kasia madera, this is outside source. we start with breaking news this hour, _ we start with breaking news this hour, poland cosmic prime minister is calling _ hour, poland cosmic prime minister is calling an — hour, poland cosmic prime minister is calling an— is calling an urgent meeting of the national security _ is calling an urgent meeting of the national security council. - is calling an urgent meeting of the national security council. this - is calling an urgent meeting of the national security council. this is l national security council. this is confirming unconfirmed reports that stray russian missiles have fallen on a polish farm near the ukrainian border, killing two people. unconfirmed reports, i'm stressing that right now, but all this is happening as russia launches over 85 missiles across ukraine, hitting energy infrastructure and residential buildings. half of kyiv is without electrity. people are being told to stay in shelters, and more missiles are expected to fall at any time. we are dealing with a country which is hell—bent on causing and wreaking havoc, damage, destruction and death. president zelensky says the situation is "critical" — the strikes happened hours after he urged 620 leaders

to put more pressure on russia to stop the war. we'll speak live to an adviser to ukraine's energy minister in kyiv. also in the programme... in the next few hours donald trump is expected, to announce his 2024 presidential bid — despite losing support among republicans and media allies over the midterm results. and the world's population passes eight billion — but the growth rate is slowing and counting. welcome to the programme, i'll remind you of the breaking news with which we started. this comes from poland, the company's prime minister has called an urgent meeting of poland cosmic national security

council. now we have no reason behind why this has been called, but it is following unconfirmed reports that stray russian missiles have fallen on a polish farm near the ukrainian border. again, they are unconfirmed reports that people were killed. i want to take you to the website of a polish news organisation which is also stating that two people were killed. two people killed according to unconfirmed reports... on the east of poland, very near to the border. this website quotes the radio

station for that area. i'm stressing these are unconfirmed reports, that stray russian missiles have fallen within poland. but given the number of launches of air strikes from russia onto ukraine throughout the day, this is a very grave development if it is confirmed, because of course poland is a member of the nato alliance. so this would technically be russia attacking a nato country. so these are unconfirmed reports and i will continue to stress that. but poland cosmic prime minister is calling an urgent meeting of poland cosmic national security council, but no reason has been given as to why. but it follows these unconfirmed reports. going back to what has been happening across ukraine today. russia has launched one of its biggest barrages of missiles yet on ukraine, targeting energy infrastructure and buildings. millions are without power and

electricity across the country following those missile strikes across the country. this is what president volodymyr zelensky had to say. translation: i ask you kindly, please stay safe. _ stay in the shelters for some time. i know that our energy is switched off because of the shelling in many cities of our country. we are working, we will restore everything. we will get over everything. glory to ukraine. well done, everybody. volodymyr zelensky reacting to what's been happening across ukraine. in kyiv, at least half of the residents are without electricity due to emergency power outages. a polish war correspondent captured this footage, which gives you some idea of the scale of the attacks. someone else who was also in kyiv when the attack happened is viktoriia zhuhan from the bbc�*s ukrainian service.

when i heard the siren in the afternoon, it sounded just like another siren in kyiv, which has become a part of daily life. and i wouldn't say that people, you know, ran to the shelters or traffic stopped, or parents removed children from playgrounds if they were there. but soon it became obvious that it's a massive attack. our colleague from the bbc ukrainian service. anna kyrii lives in kyiv, and told the bbc earlier that she'd heard numerous explosions. i feel worried about my sons, because my younger- one now is at school. they are with all their classmates in a basement shelter, _ and continually with their teacher. and my older son now. in my flat in this house, which is very close to an area where an explosion was. - as you've just heard,

the city of mykolaiv has also been attacked, as have lviv, chernihiv, zaporizhzhia, and kharkiv. the ukrainian government has described the energy situation across the country as "critical". in lviv, people are being advised to stay in shelters following reports of explosions. the mayor says 80% of the city is without electricity, so there's no heating or hot water. our international editor jermey bowen is in the southern port city of odesa. in the last few minutes, at least a dozen fire engines have come down this road behind me and ambulances, and police cars — because they are saying they've been attacked by one russian calibre cruise missile and eight of the so called, uranian drones. ~ ., , ..,

eight of the so called, uranian drones. ~ ., , .. ., drones. mulled over is calling on russia to step — drones. mulled over is calling on russia to stop its _ drones. mulled over is calling on russia to stop its attacks, - drones. mulled over is calling on i russia to stop its attacks, moscow has yet to respond to any of this. dust mulled over. of course they have to somehow respond, and terror is there response tactic. several theories are being put forward about the specific timing of these latest attacks. the head of president zelensky�*s office has tweeted that the strike is russia's "answer" to the speech by ukraine's president to the g20 summit. i'll bring you more on that later. these are also the first russian missile strikes on ukraine's cities since kyiv�*s forces liberated the key southern port city of kherson on friday. the city had been under occupation since march and was annexed by russia in late september. whatever the motivation is for the timing of these strikes, we can cross live to kyiv now

to speak to pavlo kukhta, adviser to the ukrainian energy minister. what are you hearing? i know that poland cosmic president is very close in terms of when he talks to president zelensky, what are you hearing with these unconfirmed reports of missiles crossing into poland? ,, ., , ., , reports of missiles crossing into poland? ,, ., , poland? essentially at this point, it's the same _ poland? essentially at this point, it's the same information - poland? essentially at this point, it's the same information you've | it's the same information you've been getting. so unconfirmed reports of two missiles falling in poland near the possibly with victims, so doing some damage and possibly killing some people. these are unconfirmed, and of course this is information which is grim and very grave, and we have to look at it carefully and i'm waiting for an official reaction from the polish government. but i'm doubting they would've started calling their national security meeting, their top decision—making body for security issues out of the blue. something has definitely happened, but we need to hear the official position of

poland now. i would to hear the official position of poland now. iwould remind to hear the official position of poland now. i would remind you that de facto, if that's indeed a russian missile strike, that is an attack on nato. {iii missile strike, that is an attack on nato. . ., , missile strike, that is an attack on nato. , ., nato. of course because the whole stance of nato _ nato. of course because the whole stance of nato is _ nato. of course because the whole stance of nato is an _ nato. of course because the whole stance of nato is an attack - nato. of course because the whole stance of nato is an attack on - nato. of course because the whole stance of nato is an attack on onel stance of nato is an attack on one is an attack on all.— stance of nato is an attack on one is an attack on all.- and . is an attack on all. exactly. and obviously _ is an attack on all. exactly. and obviously you've _ is an attack on all. exactly. and obviously you've got _ is an attack on all. exactly. and obviously you've got the - is an attack on all. exactly. and | obviously you've got the training base of the armour democrat army which is about 20 km from the border. it had come under attack previously at the start of the war. of previously at the start of the war. of course thank you for clarifying that we are waiting for confirmation from the polish government, but as you say, the consequences of this could be potentially enormous. i{ignite could be potentially enormous. quite so, and could be potentially enormous. quite so. and that's — could be potentially enormous. quite so, and that's why _ could be potentially enormous. quite so, and that's why we _ could be potentially enormous. (iii its: so, and that's why we obviously could be potentially enormous. (iei its: so, and that's why we obviously have to wait for official positions. this is very serious, this is an escalation of an already —— already the largest war in europe to a new level. this is very dangerous and it clearly shows to us once again that

if someone was not convinced yet, russia needs to be stopped. russia is a danger to everyone. find russia needs to be stopped. russia is a danger to everyone.— russia needs to be stopped. russia is a danger to everyone. and when it comes to the — is a danger to everyone. and when it comes to the situation _ is a danger to everyone. and when it comes to the situation on the - comes to the situation on the ground in those cities that have been targeted today, bring us up to where we are, because we already know it's been a very difficult set of situations in terms of electricity supplies and energy. what is happening now? i know you'rejoining us from kyiv, one of the many cities that have been targeted? i’ge us from kyiv, one of the many cities that have been targeted?— that have been targeted? i've 'ust looked out the i that have been targeted? i've 'ust looked out the window * that have been targeted? i've 'ust looked out the window to * that have been targeted? i've just looked out the window to take - that have been targeted? i've just looked out the window to take a l that have been targeted? i've just i looked out the window to take a look at the situation, most of it is dark actually. about half of kf, which is the largest city in ukraine, is powered down —— half of kyiv. but no powered down —— half of kyiv. but no power there, powered down —— half of kyiv. but no powerthere, probably powered down —— half of kyiv. but no power there, probably not restored until the morning. lviv, another large city in the west of ukraine, even the heating had to be stopped

because there was not enough to do that and the whole city is dark. so this has been big. this is the largest missile strike since the 10th of november, and it's largest missile strike since the 10th of november, and its larger, so they've been preparing and waiting several days, there were no strikes, it was relatively calm. the tally is still being taken, we've seen different numbers, but i've heard is 12 missiles fired, 73 of them shut down. —— 112 missiles. quite good work by the ukrainian air defences, but some of the missiles still managed to penetrate and cause significant damage.— significant damage. joining us from our home significant damage. joining us from your home in _ significant damage. joining us from your home in kyiv, _ significant damage. joining us from your home in kyiv, thank— significant damage. joining us from your home in kyiv, thank you - significant damage. joining us from your home in kyiv, thank you very i your home in kyiv, thank you very much forjust bringing us up to date with the situation there, and also giving your reaction to the breaking

news that we are having, that poland has convened an emergency national security meeting after we believe that does people were killed near the border with ukraine, and there are reports of an explosion at a grain storage facility in a city just across the border from lviv. now i know that polish media are reporting this but i want to calving out we are yet to have this confirmed. let's speak paul adams, what can we categorically say, what do know? i what can we categorically say, what do know? ~ .. ., do know? i think the fact that we have a meeting of _ do know? i think the fact that we have a meeting of poland - do know? i think the fact that we have a meeting of poland senior| have a meeting of poland senior security people, including the prime minister in the president, tells you something happened, something serious has happened. the details of this have been reported on polish media and by other disparate

sources, including latvia's defence of mr whose offered condolences to our polish brothers and called this a crime —— defence minister. there's also sources saying american intelligence officials have confirmed this to other reporters. so it is out there and being reported, and we will have to wait and see what the outcome of the emergency meeting in poland is before we know exactly the official details as it were. what this looks like frankly is a russian missile has fallen almost certainly accidentally where it was not designed to fall. obviously we had today a very large onslaught of russian missiles, around 90 in total. not all those fell where they were intended to fall. a large proportion of those were intercepted ijy proportion of those were intercepted by ukrainian air defence missiles.

so there are any number of scenarios that could explain why a missile or fragment of a missile fell over the border into poland and what we understand to be two civilian deaths. this is the kind of incident people have been externally worried about since the war began on the borders of nato, but i think we should be very careful before jumping to any conclusions about why the mental landed where it did. it's extremely unlikely, i would've thought, that russia would deliberately target the territory of a nato member.— deliberately target the territory of a nato member. ~ ., ., , ., a nato member. what does it mean in terms of nato's _ a nato member. what does it mean in terms of nato's collective _ a nato member. what does it mean in terms of nato's collective defence? i terms of nato's collective defence? we had the nato summit earlier today where russia was named as an enemy for the first time in its strategic plan when it comes to the nato allies. when it comes to nato's article five?—

allies. when it comes to nato's article five? . , ., ., ., , , article five? calls on nato members to react collectively, _ article five? calls on nato members to react collectively, essentially - to react collectively, essentially the logic being that an attack on one member is an attack on all. now is this an attack on a nato member, if a missile is intercepted and falls out of its intended trajectory and lands across the border? does that meet the terms of the definition of an attack? i would hesitate to say that it does, and i think there will be a lot of people perhaps anxious to know that this was a mistake, and not something deliberate— because something deliberate— because something deliberate would obviously set in motion all kinds of discussions about how nato can and should respond. but look, but we are looking at, and the pictures are circulating on social media, is a large crater in a farm somewhere, and a tractor—trailer that has been turned on its side — and we

understand two people have been killed. that does not look like a deliberate russian attack on a nato member, it is not an attack on the kind of infra— structure being used to transport weapons from poland into ukraine, for example, the kind of thing that perhaps there might have been some fears that russia would do at some point. i underline at the moment that it looks like something accidental. pauli at the moment that it looks like something accidental. paul adams, thanks very — something accidental. paul adams, thanks very much _ something accidental. paul adams, thanks very much for _ something accidental. paul adams, thanks very much for talking - something accidental. paul adams, thanks very much for talking us - thanks very much for talking us through that. have a yachting very much what we know so far, let's speak to vitelli. this is breaking news, we have yet to have a confirmed but we know the polish government are convening this meeting. what can you tell us?

polish officials are careful not to speculate on what happened. i've been looking at what polish media have been saying and local security officials have been to the scene. all they are confirming is that there's been an explosion and two people killed, and also polish media are saying that members of the military are on site, so potentially there's a reason for them to be there. now there are also reports from the news agency ap, quoting a senior us intelligence official, unnamed, saying it was russian missiles that crossed into poland. again that's not confirmed. as of now russia has not commented on the incident, and people in ukraine, after today's wave of missile strikes, they are saying on social media that this war between russia

and ukraine is now expanding outside of ukraine. find and ukraine is now expanding outside of ukraine. �* ., ., and ukraine is now expanding outside of ukraine. �* . . ., ., and ukraine is now expanding outside okaraine. �* . . ., ., ., , of ukraine. and again, we await any official word — of ukraine. and again, we await any official word or— of ukraine. and again, we await any official word or confirmation - of ukraine. and again, we await any official word or confirmation apart . official word or confirmation apart from the polish government and what they are saying, that this meeting is being convened. polish media is showing images — of course poland is a nato member, ijust wonder where, in terms of reaction to all this, what potentially this could do? how to the international community de—escalate this? to the international community de-escalate this?— to the international community de-escalate this? , , ., de-escalate this? this is the moment that some people _ de-escalate this? this is the moment that some people in _ de-escalate this? this is the moment that some people in ukraine, - de-escalate this? this is the moment that some people in ukraine, for - that some people in ukraine, for example, have been looking forward to, and others are fearing. because all this time ukraine has been on the west sending dust calling on the west to send more sophisticated and expensive weapons to fight russia,

and also ukraine officials have been openly suggesting that an actual presence of nato boots on the ground would help ukraine fight russia. and that's something western nations have been really keen to avoid because if nato were to deploy troops to ukraine, that would potentially provoke president putin into escalating this conflict it even more. now a lot depends on what this meeting of the polish national security meeting to sides and how russia reacts. and whether it is indeed russian missiles that caused the explosions, which as you say, is not confirmed at the moment. find not confirmed at the moment. and if this is confirmed _ not confirmed at the moment. and if this is confirmed as _ not confirmed at the moment. and if this is confirmed as being _ not confirmed at the moment. and if this is confirmed as being a - not confirmed at the moment. and if this is confirmed as being a russian missile, explain to us where these

missiles, where they are being sent from that this potentially has overshot the border area between ukraine and poland? ladle overshot the border area between ukraine and poland?— overshot the border area between ukraine and poland? we are talking about distances _ ukraine and poland? we are talking about distances of _ ukraine and poland? we are talking about distances of 1000 _ ukraine and poland? we are talking about distances of 1000 km. - about distances of 1000 km. ukrainian officials said today that the cruise missiles that targeted ukraine today were launched from areas far deep in russia. and it's perhaps no wonder that some of them are less accurate and could potentially stray out of ukraine. i've been looking at the timing of when these explosions happened, and it appears that they took place just as ukraine was pummeled by these russian cruise missiles. so i think

it's fair to say that the russian weaponry that we've seen during this war has not really demonstrated amazing levels of precision and lots of civilian infrastructure and residential buildings were hit in ukraine deliberately or not, and that suggested that some of these missiles are really inaccurate. that makes a lot of people think currently that it's not impossible for these russian missiles to stray out of unintended areas in places like poland. for out of unintended areas in places like poland-— like poland. for the time being, thank you _ like poland. for the time being, thank you very _ like poland. for the time being, thank you very much. _ like poland. for the time being, thank you very much. i - like poland. for the time being, thank you very much. i know - like poland. for the time being, | thank you very much. i know the like poland. for the time being, - thank you very much. i know the bbc monitoring team will continue to monitoring team will continue to monitor this situation. just a few minutes ago the pentagon's press

secretary said this. we minutes ago the pentagon's press secretary said this.— minutes ago the pentagon's press secretary said this. we are aware of the ress secretary said this. we are aware of the press reports — secretary said this. we are aware of the press reports alleging _ secretary said this. we are aware of the press reports alleging that - secretary said this. we are aware of the press reports alleging that two l the press reports alleging that two missiles have struck inside the ukraine border dutch struck poland. we cannot corroborate those reports and are looking at this further. when we have an update to provide, we will do so. the when we have an update to provide, we will do so— we will do so. the pentagon press secretary saying — we will do so. the pentagon press secretary saying they're _ we will do so. the pentagon press secretary saying they're looking i secretary saying they're looking into these reports, and i'm just stressing that in terms of actual confirmation, we are still awaiting that. let's cross over to washington now to talk washington dc is dr alina polyakova, president of the centre for european policy analysis, who is an expert in russian foreign policy. given what was seen from these extensive attacks on ukraine, can you just comment on what we are hearing when it comes to a potentially what has happened in poland? ~ ., , ., �*

potentially what has happened in poland? ., , ., �* ~ ., poland? well of course we don't know the facts on — poland? well of course we don't know the facts on the _ poland? well of course we don't know the facts on the ground _ poland? well of course we don't know the facts on the ground yet, _ poland? well of course we don't know the facts on the ground yet, as - the facts on the ground yet, as you've said, but certainly this was not unexpected. russian missile attacks have not been precise, they've been quite imprecise, in fact, leaving their targets for the last part of the war. and they've just launched the most massive missile attack on ukraine in the last nine months. it was really a matter of time before one of these missiles was going to cross into poland or another neighbouring state thatis poland or another neighbouring state that is part of nato in the eu. if this is what has happened, it is deeply concerning and could lead to a quite provide profound escalation in the war. if a quite provide profound escalation in the war. _, ., ., in the war. if we get confirmation, we are of course _ in the war. if we get confirmation, we are of course kathy _ in the war. if we get confirmation, we are of course kathy yachting i in the war. if we get confirmation, l we are of course kathy yachting this all the time that this hasn't been confirmed as such, but there's an awful lot of activity across polish media at the moment and we are waiting to hear what the polish

government will say, calling the urgent meeting of the national security council. but with nato, we know about its article five defence, an attack on one is an attack on all. if this is a mistake, does this still apply? aha, all. if this is a mistake, does this still apply?— still apply? a lot of this now has to do with _ still apply? a lot of this now has to do with what _ still apply? a lot of this now has to do with what the _ still apply? a lot of this now has to do with what the russian - still apply? a lot of this now hasj to do with what the russian side will say. if we have a message from the kremlin saying this was an accidental hit, if that is what it is, then that will change things, i think that will change how the current media in the national security council session in poland goes. i think very much throughout this war, putin and the kremlin has kept maneuverability, so it's really up kept maneuverability, so it's really up to them to make a statement as soon as possible to avoid any kind of potential misperceptions that this was an intentional attack. and if it was an intentional attack, certainly that is very concerning.

if it was an accident, we would need to hear that as soon as possible from official kremlin sources. is from official kremlin sources. is that something that you genuinely would expect though? because let's face it, you've got russia's representative at the g20 speaking today while these attacks from russia across ukraine, these extensive attacks are taking place — it doesn't feel like whatever it is, once we get confirmation or not, whatever is happening in poland, does it feel like the russians would actually be willing to be so open about it? i actually be willing to be so open about it? ., ~' actually be willing to be so open about it? ., ~ . ., . , ., about it? i do think the chances of that are slim. _ about it? i do think the chances of that are slim. very _ about it? i do think the chances of that are slim. very much - about it? i do think the chances of. that are slim. very much throughout the war, and even before 2a february, russian officials have lied consistently about their intentions against ukraine, about their intentions against their allies. on the other hand, it would be the prudent move. i don't think

there's a real interest amongst mr bruton or his close advisers, including sergei lavrov, in starting a potential direct confrontation with nato. a confrontation with nato would be the potential beginning of a global war and a global crisis beyond what we have in ukraine, and russia would lose that war hands down. the kremlin is aware of that, they are losing a huge amount of weapons and soldiers in this conflict with the ukraine. they want to contain it, and they make it clear that if this is a confirmed missile attack, it was not intentional. because as i said, we are looking at an incredibly dangerous situation at this particular moment if there was a missile attack and the kremlin stays silent on it. just missile attack and the kremlin stays silent on it. , . ., missile attack and the kremlin stays silent on it. , , ., ., , ,, silent on it. just to overstress that the pentagon _

silent on it. just to overstress that the pentagon cannot - silent on it. just to overstress - that the pentagon cannot confirm reports that russian missiles have crossed into poland near the ukraine border. we are still awaiting any kind of official confirmation. but i just wonder when you have russia at the table at the g20, what kind of message does it send to the kremlin? is it notjust a green light to behave in this manner? absolutely, i think the international _ behave in this manner? absolutely, i think the international community . think the international community has been far too slow to send a very clear signal to the kremlin, to mr bruton that his war of aggression against ukraine does not any longer give him access to the broader international conversations and debates that were seen today at the 620. i think president zelensky was correct to continuously refer to the 620 correct to continuously refer to the g20 meeting as the g 19. russia correct to continuously refer to the g20 meeting as the 619. russia has no place at the table in civilised nations based on what we are seeing

in ukraine and the brutality unfolding. there's no question in my mind that the timing of this attack coinciding with the g20 meeting, with zelensky�*s virtual address where he urged the g20 leaders to send a message — this attack was strategically designed to take place during that meeting and to follow president zelensky a's during that meeting and to follow president zelensky as speech. and like so many other things the russian federation has done, this should send a clear signal that the russian, her kremlin is not de—escalating aggression or negotiating, they are interested in writing ukraine from the earth and undermining the international alliances ukraine has to support its ability to defend itself —— wiping ukraine from the earth. this was no accident that this attack on ukraine took place during the g20. their means to be seen whether the reports

of potential missiles hitting poland was accidental. and again, if this was accidental. and again, if this was an accident, and it is confirmed to be a missile attack in the future, they should clearly state that that's what it was.- that that's what it was. again i 'ust want that that's what it was. again i just want to — that that's what it was. again i just want to remind _ that that's what it was. again i just want to remind everybody | just want to remind everybody that the pentagon is saying they understand that the press are reporting on this, we have no information to corroborate those reports, but they stress they are taking them seriously and looking into them, so this notion — we know the polish press are very much reporting that a russian missile has fallen within polish borders, but we haven't gotten confirmation of that, but the prime minister is convening the special meeting. but ijust wonder while we have the g20 ongoing and time, as the relationship between china and russia, or india

and russia — can you comment on how that's potentially changing, not least because the ongoing brutality of the war in ukraine, butjust simply given's today's. .. of the war in ukraine, butjust simply given's today's... today's missile attacks? it’s simply given's today's. .. today's missile attacks?— simply given's today's. .. today's missile attacks? it's very clear to me that at _ missile attacks? it's very clear to me that at the _ missile attacks? it's very clear to me that at the beginning - missile attacks? it's very clear to me that at the beginning of- missile attacks? it's very clear to me that at the beginning of the l missile attacks? it's very clear to . me that at the beginning of the war, on 2a february, mr bruton and his advisers thought they would have a quick war, a three—day so—called special military operation, which is of course the russian propaganda language. now we are looking at nine months and many lives lost in addition to russia looking like it might lose this war. it's alliances and support is starting to fracture. just recently we heard president xi of china say he had some concerns about the relationship with russia.

mr bruton alluded to this in a speech he made which was very unusual —— mr bruton, to hear him acknowledge that the president —— that president xi had questions about their relationship. this relationship of no limit switch russia and china signed before the war in ukraine, this supposedly limitless friendship does have a limit, or limits. there's concerns from china and india about the nuclear threats that mr putin and other kremlin officials and the russian media have been using, making against ukraine. if there is a serious discussion happening within the kremlin about tactical weapons used in ukraine, to my mind that what i think fracture whatever support the kremlin has, and that support the kremlin has, and that support is already increasingly fragile because at the end of the day, china probably has no interest

in aligning itself with a country thatis in aligning itself with a country that is not competitive economically and will help china have the global economic and political reach that it wants. any country that now supports russia is de facto isolating itself from the global community and from prosperity in the global economy. i don't think any country like india or china will want to be associated with russia if this work continues in this direction. i think it would be very smart for leaders and officials in both countries to continue to put some political pressure on mr putin to bring this war to an end. it's not the ukrainians who started this war, we should not be pressuring ukraine to sit at the table. it's the russians who started this war and it's up to mr putin to end it.— mr putin to end it. doctor, thank ou ve mr putin to end it. doctor, thank you very much — mr putin to end it. doctor, thank you very much for _ mr putin to end it. doctor, thank you very much for taking - mr putin to end it. doctor, thank you very much for taking the -

mr putin to end it. doctor, thank| you very much for taking the time mr putin to end it. doctor, thank- you very much for taking the time to just talk us through that breaking news that we are getting coming in from the top of the hour, that poland has convened an emergency national security meeting. two people have been reportedly killed near the border with ukraine. i am stressing that no reason has been given for the meeting to have been given for the meeting to have been convened, but, of course, this follows reports that stray russian missiles style and a polish farm near the ukrainian border. firefighters have confirmed an explosion at the farm and that there were indeed two decks. they do not give us the cause. we haven't had it confirmed as to whether these are indeed russian missiles, but we know that a few moments ago, the pentagon's press secretary had this to say. we pentagon's press secretary had this to sa . ~ . pentagon's press secretary had this tosa .. . . . pentagon's press secretary had this tosa .~ . ., ., ., pentagon's press secretary had this tosa. . ., ., ., , ,, to say. we are aware of the press re orts

to say. we are aware of the press reports alleging _ to say. we are aware of the press reports alleging that _ to say. we are aware of the press reports alleging that two - to say. we are aware of the press reports alleging that two russian | reports alleging that two russian missiles have struck a location inside poland near the ukraine border. i can tell you that we don't have any information at this time to corroborate those reports. we are looking into this further. when we do have an update to provide we will be sure to do so stop at the pentagon they arejust pentagon they are just stressing that they will provide more information when they get it. let's cross over to speak to the former us ambassador to nato. i cross over to speak to the former us ambassador to nato._ ambassador to nato. i don't need to remind you. — ambassador to nato. i don't need to remind you, obviously _ ambassador to nato. i don't need to remind you, obviously about - ambassador to nato. i don't need to remind you, obviously about nato'sl remind you, obviously about nato's article five. what does this mean if this is indeed true? that these are russian missiles falling into nato territory? russian missiles falling into nato territo ? . russian missiles falling into nato territo ? , , territory? rights. the first thing is before you — territory? rights. the first thing is before you get _ territory? rights. the first thing is before you get to _ territory? rights. the first thing is before you get to article - territory? rights. the first thing is before you get to article five, j is before you get to article five, there is article four, which is consultations among allies concerning security situations affecting them. i think there ought to be an emergency meeting of the north atlantic council to hear from poland to discuss what happened and to demand an explanation from russia

why did russian missiles hit this farm in poland? ithink why did russian missiles hit this farm in poland? i think my own judgment is that this was an accident. i don't think russia intended to attack nato, and i don't think nato wants to escalate into conflict with russia but we need an explanation from russia. nato needs toissue explanation from russia. nato needs to issue a warning that it will not tolerate attacks on nato territory whether or not they are accidents in the future, and any such feature attack accident are not would be met with a proportionate response. lgallium with a proportionate response. when it comes to--- _ with a proportionate response. when it comes to... when _ with a proportionate response. when it comes to... when you _ with a proportionate response. when it comes to. .. when you talk- with a proportionate response. when it comes to... when you talk about a proportionate response, does this hinge on whether, and again, and kathy adding that's all the time that we haven't had that fully confirmed, but when it comes to whether this was a mistake, that they overshot when it comes to the border between poland and ukraine, does that mean the potential reaction or response from nato will be different than if it was an attack as such?—

be different than if it was an attack as such? , , ., , ~ attack as such? yes, it should be. a deliberate attack _ attack as such? yes, it should be. a deliberate attack on _ attack as such? yes, it should be. a deliberate attack on nato _ attack as such? yes, it should be. a deliberate attack on nato territory l deliberate attack on nato territory should be met with the full force of nato. i doubt that that's what this is, but we need to hear russia say that. i think demanding an explanation from russia is critical and warning russia that it will not be tolerated is critical. the first step is for nato allies to consult with each other, to hear a detailed briefing from poland and to make clear that we are unified and we will not tolerate this in the future. if it is a deliberate attack on nato and russia says we don't care, we will bomb wherever we want to may think that's a game changer for nato and we have to recognise that russia's were in ukraine has to end. i that russia's were in ukraine has to end. ., ., ., , , end. i wonder what would satisfy you than in terms — end. i wonder what would satisfy you than in terms of _ end. i wonder what would satisfy you than in terms of a _ end. i wonder what would satisfy you than in terms of a response - end. i wonder what would satisfy you than in terms of a response from - than in terms of a response from russia? russia is renowned for not being transparent. nobody knows such president putin is thinking. what kind of reaction from them would satisfy you to know that this should be de—escalated if, and i stress

this continuously, is indeed wet polish media are reporting. i this continuously, is indeed wet polish media are reporting. i think that we have _ polish media are reporting. i think that we have to _ polish media are reporting. i think that we have to start _ polish media are reporting. i think that we have to start from - polish media are reporting. i think that we have to start from the - that we have to start from the premise that putin may want to create an image of being in conflict with nato, which would benefit him, and we don't want to create that image. second, we don't really want to be in conflict with russia. so we shouldn'tjust to be in conflict with russia. so we shouldn't just slide to be in conflict with russia. so we shouldn'tjust slide into that escalation. we should get fresh at the opportunity to explain that this was an accident and to undertake not to do it again. if there is no explanation at all, i think that rent nato still needs to think about a proportionate response. lgallium rent nato still needs to think about a proportionate response. when we hear about it. _ a proportionate response. when we hear about it, from _ a proportionate response. when we hear about it, from your _ a proportionate response. when we | hear about it, from your experience, when we hear about the polish government calling a national security council meeting, one doesn't call that... there must be concerns if that is the level at which they are now looking at this. it's exactly what any country would

do. if there is an attack on your territory, the first thing your government will do is convene a meeting of all the senior officials, all the advisers to make sure you have full information as best you can of what happened, that you discuss options for a response, and i'm sure one of the things they will be discussing is making a formal request from nato for consultations. apologies, as you can appreciate, in the interest of full transparency and disclosure, there is an awful lot going on in my ear at the moment, but in terms of your reaction to all of this, i just wonder how the kind of analysis that needs to be done on what to potentially has happened in eastern poland, what kind of levels of analysis need to be done from the remains of this missile? whatever caused this explosion? what would satisfy you? i caused this explosion? what would satisfy you?— satisfy you? i think that before you even talk about _ satisfy you? i think that before you even talk about the _ satisfy you? i think that before you even talk about the remnants - satisfy you? i think that before you even talk about the remnants of. satisfy you? i think that before you | even talk about the remnants of the missile, we should have good information about the trajectory of the missiles, where they were fired

from, how they were fired, what the likely target was, was it in conjunction with other missiles being fired that were coming from the same area and going to a target that is unidentifiable? there are a lot of things we should know already based on radar and trajectory. the missile itself will be able to identify pretty quickly but it is. it's more important that we get a clear statement from russia about their intent. was it their intent to attack poland? i would be surprised. if so, that is one set of responses from nato. if it was not their intent, we need to hear it and make it clear that it must not happen again. in it clear that it must not happen aaain. . it clear that it must not happen aaain. , ., ., again. in terms of the location of this. we know _ again. in terms of the location of this. we know that _ again. in terms of the location of this. we know that on _ again. in terms of the location of this. we know that on the - again. in terms of the location of. this. we know that on the ukrainian side, there is the base, and at the beginning of the war, that had been a base where ukrainian military had been trained by international forces. we know that russia had tried to attack that base previously

at the start of this work. i just wonder, is that still a potential target for russian missiles? that is around 20 km away from the polish border. it around 20 km away from the polish border. . . . , around 20 km away from the polish border. , . ., , ., ., border. it is certainly a potential taruet border. it is certainly a potential target that _ border. it is certainly a potential target that russia _ border. it is certainly a potential target that russia might - border. it is certainly a potential target that russia might try - border. it is certainly a potential target that russia might try to i border. it is certainly a potential l target that russia might try to hit. let's remind ourselves that no target in ukraine is a legitimate target. russia should not be attacking ukraine at all. they should be pulling theirforces attacking ukraine at all. they should be pulling their forces out and letting ukraine live as a sovereign and independent state, but given that they've decided to wage war against ukraine, given that they've decided to wage waragainst ukraine, and given that they've decided to wage war against ukraine, and eating and ukrainian territory, the russians would see as a legitimate target. and if they are clear that they are not trying to target to nato, that is one thing, but if they did intend to that's an entirely different thing. i to that's an entirely different thin. , to that's an entirely different thin. ., , ., , thing. i spoke with our previous cuest thing. i spoke with our previous guest about _ thing. i spoke with our previous guest about watching _ thing. i spoke with our previous guest about watching sergei - thing. i spoke with our previous| guest about watching sergei live arrive at the summit and barley. when we see russia being represented on a world stage, what does this

tell us about how the international community is dealing russia and viewing what russia has been doing, given today about all days we saw that huge number of rockets, missiles being lodged within ukraine itself. that missiles being lodged within ukraine itself. �* . . missiles being lodged within ukraine itself. �* , ., , missiles being lodged within ukraine itself. �* , . , ., missiles being lodged within ukraine itself. �* , ., ., . itself. at several things at once. first off it's _ itself. at several things at once. first off it's not _ itself. at several things at once. first off it's not vladimir - itself. at several things at once. first off it's not vladimir putin i first off it's not vladimir putin who is there. i think that's because putin knew that he would get an ear full from all kinds of world leaders about his conduct in ukraine and also his threats to use nuclear weapons. that's already a signal from the rest of the world. in addition to that you may think russia conducting these attacks while this meeting is ongoing, meaning that everyone there is going to be discussing it is also an indicator that he is choosing to isolate himself more from the rest of the international community. we have seen signs over the last several weeks that countries in the global south, whether it's china, india or elsewhere are increasingly beginning to distance themselves

from russia. in the early phases of the war, they were talking about staying out of it, not knowing if they are going to have to deal with putin again in the future, viewing this as a european issue, but increasingly, countries in the global south are starting to signal their displeasure with what russia is doing. it their displeasure with what russia is doinu. . their displeasure with what russia is doinu. , ., ., their displeasure with what russia is doinu. , ., i. their displeasure with what russia isdoina. , ., ., is doing. it is good of you to speak to us and give _ is doing. it is good of you to speak to us and give us _ is doing. it is good of you to speak to us and give us your _ is doing. it is good of you to speak to us and give us your reaction - is doing. it is good of you to speak to us and give us your reaction to. to us and give us your reaction to this developing story that we are yet to have fully confirmed, but for the time being, from a us ambassador to nato, thank you very much. i think this is the momentjust to remind everybody about what we know so far. the pentagon says that it cannot confirm reports that russian missiles have crossed into poland near the ukraine border. firefighters in poland reported that two people died in an explosion in a village in eastern poland very near to the ukraine border. the polish prime minister has called an urgent meeting of the countries national

security council. a senior source in the polish prime minister is office told the bbc that it is informational chaos, adding that i have no certainty and i cannot confirm anything. this follows a series of strikes in ukraine today. officials have said that russia has mounted its biggest strike against country's energy system since the invasion in february. cannot confirm these... this is a russian missile — we cannot confirm that this is a russian missile, but we are reporting that russian missiles have dropped in poland very close to the border with ukraine. let's talk to the defence editor at the economist. i know you understand that i am kathy adding that's all the time until we get any kind of confirmation, but we do know that appellant's prime minister has convened that special meeting, and

that this potentially is an extremely serious not the least serious situation of getting what we have seen throughout the day in ukraine. . . have seen throughout the day in ukraine. , , ., ., ., , ukraine. yes, it is worth noting, as he said, ukraine. yes, it is worth noting, as he said. the _ ukraine. yes, it is worth noting, as he said, the department _ ukraine. yes, it is worth noting, as he said, the department of - ukraine. yes, it is worth noting, as. he said, the department of defence, the pentagon hasn't confirmed these reports, but i think it is noteworthy nevertheless that allow �*s deputy prime minister also its defence minister in latvia is a member of nato and a close partner of poland in the baltic region has described this as an attack by russia and nato soil. we cannot independently corroborate those reports and it requires some polish statement analysing the wreckage telling us about the potential trajectory of those missiles and from my perspective as a journalist reporting on this and watching this, i would emphasise that it is important to keep an open mind, because although russian missile strikes, a stray missile is, i would say, the most likely possibility given the scant evidence we have,

there are other possibilities, for example, that a ukrainian air defence system fired and intercepted a missile and either landed in poland or broke up the russian missile parts of which then landed in poland. the images show a fairly sizeable creator, so that gives you some indication of the kind of munition that may have caused this. but it's important to keep an open mind at this stage given the gravity of the situation and the potential consequences of something like this. as a stake in the estonian foreign ministry saying that news from poland is most concerning and estonia, a nato member ready to defend every inch of nato territory, and as you stress, we are yet to have that confirmation as to this missile, possible missile attack, also hungry�*s picked her up and convening the defence counsel of

reports of this potential russian missile. i guess we saw nato earlier on today, and this is on it, a polish media outlets which is talking about an explosion in the village in eastern poland. this is the region... so, again, we are still waiting for that absolute confirmation as to what caused that explosion. but it looks like some kind of farm vehicle on its side. we understand and we saw earlier on this year nato having that strategic semantics, talking about increasing exporter with russia, doubling its border with russia for those countries along the border, this is really worrying, needless to say. it

really worrying, needless to say. it is. and of course when those countries in the eastjoined nato in the late 19905 into thousands, beginning in 1997, the first round of expansion, russia and nato sang something called the founding act, and the founding act was a sort of document that said here the relationship we are going to build, the cold war is finished. and they agreed to have restraint on their border and nato 5aid agreed to have restraint on their border and nato said it would not deploy a permanent substantial combat forces in eastern europe along the new border with russia, but of course everything changed in 2014 with the russian invasion of crimea and more and more in eastern european governments believe the founding act instead. they went to see nato, their allies come into 5ee nato, their allies come into play forces permanently in their countries, of course, we have something called enhanced forward presence, the5e multinational battle groups in the baltic states, in poland and now in romania, slovakia,

possibly hungry, led by a host of countries, but even so, people are very cautious about putting too much hardware permanently or offensive weapons in eastern europe. incidents like this, the work itself, moments of tension like this i think heightened the call, the demand by estonia, latvia, lithuania, poland, tho5e estonia, latvia, lithuania, poland, those countries that have lived under russian occupation are very sceptical of russia, hawkish towards russia, they will say, look, we told you we need more protection from our allies, and i think this will result in a heightened conversation about more western missile defence in europe. we more western missile defence in euroe. ~ more western missile defence in euro e, . ., ., more western missile defence in euroe. ., ., ., ., europe. we sat, again, during nato, the big summit _ europe. we sat, again, during nato, the big summit that _ europe. we sat, again, during nato, the big summit that took _ europe. we sat, again, during nato, the big summit that took place - europe. we sat, again, during nato, the big summit that took place in . the big summit that took place in madrid that for the first time since the collapse of the soviet union, we have had us army permanently based in poland. that was deemed, that was

really welcomed by poland because they have continuously been voicing their concerns as to what russia was potentially doing, especially in that region with crimea as well. i guess this will, for the polish government no doubt, will show that they were right to be so concerned. yes, but of course, it's important to remember here as well, this isn't the first such incident that we have had. if you cast your mind back to march, orthe had. if you cast your mind back to march, or the spring at least, a number of incidents, one in which i think the russians struck a training base about 15 miles from the poland — ukraine border. that was seen as a moment of substantial attention. we also saw an incident in the same month in which a soviet era drone carrying traces of explosives crash landed or crashed in croatia, and to do that, it would've had to verify a

number of nato member states. of course, more recently, last month, we saw a russian fighterjet course, more recently, last month, we saw a russian fighter jet to fire a missile accidentally in the vicinity of a british electronic surveillance, a spy plane flying over the black sea. and the berry has always been, when you have huge numbers of military forces, russian forces operating in ukraine close to nato borders, when you have repeated russian missile strikes close to nato borders, the scope for some sort of accident has always been there, and it is russia's policy with missile strikes and drone strikes has become more aggressive, particularly in the last month or so with the tax on the electrical infrastructure, including some of the electrical supply lines west into europe. i think at the risk of this sort of incident has grown over time and i wouldn't be entirely surprised if this was a consequence of russia's more aggressive risk—taking with that approach in the last month. we

risk-taking with that approach in the last month.— the last month. we 'ust got reaction. * the last month. we 'ust got reaction. it h the last month. we 'ust got reaction, it will_ the last month. we just got reaction, it will take - the last month. we just got reaction, it will take this . reaction, it will take this opportunity to get your reaction to this, that lithuanian president as well, i nato member, saying his country stands in strong solidarity with poland, every inch of nato territory must be defended. but if this is a missile thatjust has overshot its target and if it was as you where describing there, that base that had been targeted at the beginning of the work of every customer and 20 km away from the poland ukraine border, then does that change nato's stance when it comes to an attack on one is an attack on all? i comes to an attack on one is an attack on all?— comes to an attack on one is an attack on all? ~ ., ., , attack on all? i think we have to be careful here- _ attack on all? i think we have to be careful here. people _ attack on all? i think we have to be careful here. people tend - attack on all? i think we have to be careful here. people tend to - attack on all? i think we have to be careful here. people tend to knowl careful here. people tend to know about article five, and article five is nato's mutual defence clause that says an attack on one is an attack on all, and any armed attack on nato

soil in a certain designated territory in europe constitutes an attack. but i think, first of all, we don't even know whether this was an armed attack, and as we've said, there are other possibilities we have to entertain. i think even if it was a stray missile, a russian missile that landed in poland that was aimed inside ukraine that landed on the wrong site, i think what it is far more likely than article five which is a very significant and substantial step for the alliance to take, it's only taken it once in its history and that was after 9/11 when allies and voted in support of the united states. far more likely than thatis united states. far more likely than that is something called article four. that's much less well known but it effectively means consultations, it means the allies consults over security. we've had article four, for example committing turkey invoked article four at a time when syria was escalating on its border with turkey and it means allies can gather, they can convene,

they can discuss the situation, they can offer mutual aid, such as intelligence, other kinds of assistance, but it doesn't connect them to the same sort of steps you would expect if there was an armed attack on them. i think in the coming days, even if this was an accident, even if this is debris, if this was in some way connected to russian missile activity, i think an invocation of article four is the likeliest course of action you are going to see, and i think it's going to be easier to have some of these conversations because you have the 620 conversations because you have the g20 summit, you have leaders already convened in berkeley. you have a lot of activity going on in europe with the ramstein summit where those countries supporting ukraine with arms are prepared to gather and talk. i think that's the likeliest next step in terms of responding to these events. next step in terms of responding to these events-— these events. ad'ust leads, again, it's reall these events. adjust leads, again, it's really important _ these events. adjust leads, again, it's really important to _ these events. adjust leads, again, it's really important to caveat - these events. adjust leads, again, | it's really important to caveat what we are potentially discussing, and

the czechoslovakian payments or sums it up, if poland confirms that mrs also hit its territory, f, and i am stressing that if, because we are hearing a lot from polish media on it. showing the vehicle potentially this farm where an explosion took place. the czechoslovakian feminists are confirming that if mrs also hit its territory, this will be a further escalation by russia. i went to pick up russia's defence ministry statement, so russia, and this is againjust coming in statement, so russia, and this is again just coming in to statement, so russia, and this is againjust coming in to us statement, so russia, and this is again just coming in to us at the bbc now. i'm reading this for the first time. russia's defence ministry is saying that statements by polish media and officials about the russian missile hitting polish territory are a deliberate provocation with the aim of escalating the situation. so this is as defence ministry that is being a's defence ministry that is being quoted by the writers news agency

saying that these statements are a deliberate provocation with the aim of escalating the situation. and i guess that is something that will arguably... it to something, the kind of reaction they would get in order to calm the situation, but given what we have seen in ukraine today, that is a difficult way of putting it. today, that is a difficult way of -auttin it. �* , , today, that is a difficult way of -auttin it. �* , .,, , ., putting it. i've emphasised that when ou putting it. i've emphasised that when you interpret _ putting it. i've emphasised that when you interpret russian - when you interpret russian government statements may have to look at them the context of the historical record on this. when russia tried to assassinate and poison a former russian intelligence for certain britain, they insisted it was a provocation by the british. when russian separatists shot down and h 17 of ukraine, they insisted it was provocation by ukrainians or european countries. when we saw the butcher massacre and the were crimes that occurred around the north of gather earlier in this conflict, the

russian government sector as a provocation by the british intelligent —— by the british intelligent —— by the british intelligent service. it's a news organisation and you are obliged to report russian statements and we have to consider them and listen to them, the polite way to put this is that russia's government has a record of issuing outlandish and quite fantastical statements to displace responsibility for actions in this conflict. while we don't know precisely what's happened, i'm fairly confident and putting fairly low stock in the credibility of russian statements. it's not about that the editor of —— editor in chief of the russian state propaganda mouthpiece has been gloating, comparing this to attacks on ukrainian attacks on... and comparing it to a deliberate attack. i think it is interesting that the russian state media is trying to portray this as a deliberate attack whether it is or isn't commensurate to the effect they are trying to

achieve. . ~ to the effect they are trying to achieve. ., ,, , ., , . to the effect they are trying to achieve. . ~' ,, , . , achieve. thank you very much 'ust for achieve. thank you very much 'ust fer reacting — achieve. thank you very much 'ust fer reacting te �* achieve. thank you very much 'ust for reacting to this i achieve. thank you very much 'ust for reacting to this developingh for reacting to this developing story. we are getting a lot of lines coming from mr�*s defence ministry saying that there were no strikes against targets near the ukraine poland border. ithink against targets near the ukraine poland border. i think we heard from him there, his reaction as to the credibility of the reaction to from russian media and from the russian defence ministry. we are of course continuing to monitor everything thatis continuing to monitor everything that is happening and these reports that is happening and these reports that we are getting through that we are yet to have confirmed. we are going to get some reaction from poland's neighbours, i mentioned that selenium's leader, its president has called it concerning news, saying that every inch of nato territory must be defended. this is the latvian deputy prime minister who said that the country fully stands with polish friends and condemns this crime. the hungarian

secretary of state says that hungry�*s prime minister has convened the country's defence counsel and the country's defence counsel and the czech prime minister said that if poland, and i stress, if poland confirms that mrs also hit its territory, this will be a further escalation by russia. let's get more from poland's response to these reports. my guestjoins us live. thank you very much for having me. very little that we know so far. reports in the polish media came from repeatable sources, but apart from repeatable sources, but apart from images that seem to confirm damage that was caused to what looks like a grain storage waiting facility, and apart from the fact that we know two people have died, very little else is known. i've spokenin very little else is known. i've spoken in the last half hour to a very senior official with the prime minister of poland, and that person

said that what they are receiving now is chaos of information, very little certainty that they have, and as we said earlier in the programme, there is an ongoing meeting of the beer of national security by the prime minister later tonight, the whole of government will meet and will debate what the appropriate response will be both to today's compartments of ukrainian targets, which included lviv remarkably close to the polish border, but also the two casualties and the attack near the polish border with ukraine. we know that two people have died. we know that two people have died. we know that two people have died. we know that the explosion seems to have damaged some sort of agricultural equipment. the location is miles away from the polish border with ukraine, but it's also very far from the nearest urban centres in poland. so it will be hours before the first reporters get there and we will start to get that information first hand. the best we can hope for now is that the polish government will finish the national bureau of

security meeting and will get information from them. thank you very much for bringing this information of some of the reactions from poland itself and yes, we do know is he was saying there, the polish prime minister has convened this defence counsel over these reports and also, we're getting information that in the past few minutes. president zelensky has been addressing this and i would just like to come up before we talk about what president zelensky said, i would like to welcome our viewers here on bbc news during this breaking news that we are getting reports and these are unconfirmed reports and these are unconfirmed reports of russian missiles falling within poland and poland has convened an emergency national security meeting after two people

were killed near the border with ukraine and it follows these reports that stray resident missiles fell on a farm near the ukrainian border killing two people with firefighters confirming an explosion of a farm and two deaths but we are still waiting for confirmation as to the cause of the explosions whether they were indeed russian missiles but we do believe there's been a lot of activity and russian attacks launched throughout the day in ukraine in a short time ago, russia issued a response and no strikes against target near the ukraine polish border had been carried out by russian weapons and the russian defence ministry refuting any of these allegations and these are yet to be confirmed and the past few minutes, president zelensky has said the new russian strikes are a slap in the face of the g20,

the new russian strikes are a slap in the face of the 620, the g20 the new russian strikes are a slap in the face of the 620, the 620 that is convening an president putin not attending the g20 is convening an president putin not attending the 620 but sergey lavrov is there representing russia and the reported incident in poland comes after russia launched one of its biggest brushes an associate on ukraine and many infrastructure and building energy infrastructure were targeted in at least one person is known to have died in ukraine and volodymyr zelensky said over 80 missiles were launched against the country and there are fears that that could go up. that's because of her life to speak to an anchor for ic tv. and if ukraine's biggest television channels joining us from kyiv and before we talk about what's happening in kyiv, ijust want to get your reaction in terms of what we are hearing and get to be confirmed by the possibility that russian missiles have fallen within

poland. ~ . ,, russian missiles have fallen within poland. . ., ., , poland. what you are saying is important _ poland. what you are saying is important for _ poland. what you are saying is important for everyone - poland. what you are saying is important for everyone here i poland. what you are saying is important for everyone here in ukraine and everyone is following the news without exaggeration. was going to happen next for paragraph five of this and what it's going to be applied here and what nato's response would be in the large attack on the polish territory killing at least two people within a native state. of course people are expecting a response and everyone on social media and elsewhere is talking about what the response is going to be like and what's going to happen and will other nato nations will say and do to respond to that attack what they would do to prevent further attacks on nato countries and on ukraine as well. to stress once again _

and on ukraine as well. to stress once again that _ and on ukraine as well. to stress once again that these _ and on ukraine as well. to stress once again that these are - once again that these are unconfirmed reports that stray russian missiles have fallen and we before we carry on, this is the white house press conference. will white house press conference. will the us look — white house press conference. will the us look into the intent? how important — the us look into the intent? how important is _ the us look into the intent? how important is that _ the us look into the intent? how important is that in _ the us look into the intent? how important is that in determiningl the us look into the intent? how. important is that in determining our response _ important is that in determining our response if— important is that in determining our response if the _ important is that in determining our response if the attack— important is that in determining our response if the attack is _ important is that in determining our response if the attack is accidental. response if the attack is accidental or intentional _ response if the attack is accidental or intentional when _ response if the attack is accidental or intentional when consulting - response if the attack is accidental| or intentional when consulting with the allies? — or intentional when consulting with the allies? ., ., , or intentional when consulting with theallies? ., ., , the allies? that would be something of importance _ the allies? that would be something of importance and _ the allies? that would be something of importance and we _ the allies? that would be something of importance and we will— the allies? that would be something of importance and we will determine| of importance and we will determine what happened and we will determine the appropriate next steps but this does happen within the past hour and so we're _ does happen within the past hour and so we're taking the important time to figure the exact facts. logistics, when it comes to triggering _ logistics, when it comes to triggering an _ logistics, when it comes to triggering an article - logistics, when it comes to triggering an article five i logistics, when it comes tol triggering an article five and logistics, when it comes to - triggering an article five and nato and i_ triggering an article five and nato and i know— triggering an article five and nato and i know you _ triggering an article five and nato and i know you do _ triggering an article five and nato and i know you do not _ triggering an article five and nato and i know you do not want - triggering an article five and nato and i know you do not want to - and i know you do not want to get too far— and i know you do not want to get too far ahead _ and i know you do not want to get too far ahead of _ and i know you do not want to get too far ahead of where things - and i know you do not want to get i too far ahead of where things stand now but— too far ahead of where things stand now but because _ too far ahead of where things stand now but because this _ too far ahead of where things stand

now but because this department i too far ahead of where things stand i now but because this department does really well— now but because this department does really well how — now but because this department does really well how that _ now but because this department does really well how that process _ now but because this department does really well how that process would - really well how that process would workr _ really well how that process would work. could — really well how that process would work. could you _ really well how that process would work, could you just _ really well how that process would work, could you just lay _ really well how that process would work, could you just lay out - really well how that process would work, could you just lay out how. really well how that process would i work, could you just lay out how you would _ work, could you just lay out how you would go _ work, could you just lay out how you would go across _ work, could you just lay out how you would go across that _ work, could you just lay out how you would go across that process - would go across that process for folks _ would go across that process for folks as we _ would go across that process for folks as we are _ would go across that process for folks as we are in _ would go across that process for folks as we are in this _ would go across that process for folks as we are in this moment i folks as we are in this moment trying — folks as we are in this moment trying to— folks as we are in this moment trying to figure _ folks as we are in this moment trying to figure out _ folks as we are in this moment trying to figure out what - folks as we are in this moment trying to figure out what is - folks as we are in this moment i trying to figure out what is next? folks as we are in this moment - trying to figure out what is next? i want trying to figure out what is next? want to not get ahead in hypotheticals and again, i want to be very— hypotheticals and again, i want to be very careful about not getting ahead _ be very careful about not getting ahead of— be very careful about not getting ahead of hypotheticals here as we continue — ahead of hypotheticals here as we continue to take time to determine what happened. its continue to take time to determine what happened-— continue to take time to determine what happened. as the department reached out — what happened. as the department reached out to _ what happened. as the department reached out to the _ what happened. as the department reached out to the officials? - what happened. as the department reached out to the officials? i - what happened. as the department reached out to the officials? i do i reached out to the officials? i do not have any _ reached out to the officials? i do not have any cause _ reached out to the officials? i do not have any cause to _ reached out to the officials? not have any cause to read out reached out to the officials?“ not have any cause to read out at this point— not have any cause to read out at this point and poland is an important ally and partner and what we are _ important ally and partner and what we are working on to determine what happened _ we are working on to determine what happened and determine the next steps _ happened and determine the next steps as— happened and determine the next steps as well. happened and determine the next steps as well-— steps as well. what is your confidence _ steps as well. what is your confidence level _ steps as well. what is your confidence level that - steps as well. what is your i confidence level that putin... steps as well. what is your - confidence level that putin... i'm not ttoin confidence level that putin... i'm not going to _ confidence level that putin... not going to speculate or try to

confidence level that putin...“ not going to speculate or try to get into the _ not going to speculate or try to get into the mind of president putin or his intentions. we do know that this war has— his intentions. we do know that this war has been one that is unjust and brutal— war has been one that is unjust and brutal and — war has been one that is unjust and brutal and has affected millions of lives. _ brutal and has affected millions of lives. not — brutal and has affected millions of lives, notjust in ukraine but across— lives, notjust in ukraine but across the _ lives, notjust in ukraine but across the world as well. and as you -uys across the world as well. and as you guys saw _ across the world as well. and as you guys saw a _ across the world as well. and as you guys saw a response to president zelensky's— guys saw a response to president zelensky's speech at the 620, what president _ zelensky's speech at the 620, what president putin did was he met ukraine — president putin did was he met ukraine with another round of cruel attacks _ ukraine with another round of cruel attacks that killed civilians and destroyed infrastructure and so what we're _ destroyed infrastructure and so what we're going to do is we are going to continue to— we're going to do is we are going to continue to stand with the government and the people of ukraine who have _ government and the people of ukraine who have stayed strong in the face of this— who have stayed strong in the face of this and — who have stayed strong in the face of this and needless onslaught for months _ of this and needless onslaught for months and we will continue to support— months and we will continue to support ukraine.— months and we will continue to support ukraine. residual working with the polish _ support ukraine. residual working with the polish government, - support ukraine. residual working with the polish government, can i support ukraine. residual working i with the polish government, can you confirm _ with the polish government, can you confirm that — with the polish government, can you confirm that the _ with the polish government, can you confirm that the department - with the polish government, can you i confirm that the department speaking through— confirm that the department speaking through officials— confirm that the department speaking through officials and _ confirm that the department speaking through officials and trying _ confirm that the department speaking through officials and trying to - confirm that the department speaking through officials and trying to get - through officials and trying to get more _ through officials and trying to get more insight _ through officials and trying to get more insight from _ through officials and trying to get

more insight from them - through officials and trying to get more insight from them as - through officials and trying to get more insight from them as to - through officials and trying to get. more insight from them as to what this might — more insight from them as to what this might have _ more insight from them as to what this might have been— more insight from them as to what this might have been and - more insight from them as to what this might have been and whetherl more insight from them as to what i this might have been and whether or not they— this might have been and whether or not they have — this might have been and whether or not they have responded _ this might have been and whether or not they have responded at - this might have been and whether or not they have responded at all? - this might have been and whether or not they have responded at all? iiiiri�*el not they have responded at all? we are not they have responded at all? are talking to a range of partners and distance transpired and so, i do not have _ and distance transpired and so, i do not have specific calls or a line item _ not have specific calls or a line item actions to read out for you but again. _ item actions to read out for you but again. i_ item actions to read out for you but again. iwant— item actions to read out for you but again, i want to tell you that we are going to get to the bottom of what _ are going to get to the bottom of what is _ are going to get to the bottom of what is happening and we will determine appropriate next setups. before _ determine appropriate next setups. before article five which is article four on emergency consultations, to call for emergency conferences on these issues?— these issues? we, of course, our treatest these issues? we, of course, our greatest end _ these issues? we, of course, our greatest end of— these issues? we, of course, our greatest end of there _ these issues? we, of course, our greatest end of there nato - these issues? we, of course, our greatest end of there nato allies| greatest end of there nato allies and partners but i want to be very clear that — and partners but i want to be very clear that we do not want to get ahead of— clear that we do not want to get ahead of hypotheticals and we do not know what _ ahead of hypotheticals and we do not know what is happened yet and with scene _ know what is happened yet and with scene incredibly concerning reports and working with our partners in the polish _ and working with our partners in the polish government to give more information and to assess what is

happened. — information and to assess what is happened, will make the determination and will determine appropriate next steps as well. porting — appropriate next steps as well. porting certain us officials in the story, i am assuming...- porting certain us officials in the story, i am assuming... what i can see from this _ story, i am assuming... what i can see from this podium _ story, i am assuming... what i can see from this podium in _ story, i am assuming... what i can see from this podium in front - story, i am assuming... what i can see from this podium in front of i see from this podium in front of you all is _ see from this podium in front of you all is that— see from this podium in front of you all is that we — see from this podium in front of you all is that we have seen these reports — all is that we have seen these reports and we are working with the polish _ reports and we are working with the polish government and other partners to assess _ polish government and other partners to assess and get more information and we _ to assess and get more information and we cannot confirm the reports of what is _ and we cannot confirm the reports of what is happened with the details, but we _ what is happened with the details, but we are — what is happened with the details, but we are working through that process— but we are working through that process to determine what happened and determine appropriate steps. discovery— and determine appropriate steps. discovery from poland, so, you repeat— discovery from poland, so, you repeat a — discovery from poland, so, you repeat a few _ discovery from poland, so, you repeat a few times _ discovery from poland, so, you repeat a few times that - discovery from poland, so, you repeat a few times that you - discovery from poland, so, youj repeat a few times that you are working — repeat a few times that you are working with _ repeat a few times that you are working with the _ repeat a few times that you are working with the polish - repeat a few times that you are - working with the polish government on this— working with the polish government on this issue. — working with the polish government on this issue, were _ working with the polish government on this issue, were you _ working with the polish government on this issue, were you talking - working with the polish government on this issue, were you talking with| on this issue, were you talking with and what _ on this issue, were you talking with and what level, _ on this issue, were you talking with and what level, if— on this issue, were you talking with and what level, if you _ on this issue, were you talking with and what level, if you don't - on this issue, were you talking with and what level, if you don't want i on this issue, were you talking with and what level, if you don't want toj and what level, if you don't want to -ive and what level, if you don't want to give me _ and what level, if you don't want to give me specific— and what level, if you don't want to give me specific names _ and what level, if you don't want to give me specific names and - and what level, if you don't want to give me specific names and also, i

and what level, if you don't want to give me specific names and also, ifj give me specific names and also, if this is— give me specific names and also, if this is confirmed, should _ this is confirmed, should this trigger— this is confirmed, should this trigger an immediate - this is confirmed, should thisi trigger an immediate increase this is confirmed, should this. trigger an immediate increase of this is confirmed, should this- trigger an immediate increase of the number— trigger an immediate increase of the number of— trigger an immediate increase of the number of us— trigger an immediate increase of the number of us troops _ trigger an immediate increase of the number of us troops on _ trigger an immediate increase of the number of us troops on the - trigger an immediate increase of the number of us troops on the ground i trigger an immediate increase of the. number of us troops on the ground in poland _ number of us troops on the ground in poland and _ number of us troops on the ground in poland and fortifying _ number of us troops on the ground in poland and fortifying eastern - number of us troops on the ground in poland and fortifying eastern flank? l poland and fortifying eastern flank? i'm poland and fortifying eastern flank? i'm starting— poland and fortifying eastern flank? i'm starting to— poland and fortifying eastern flank? i'm starting to sound _ poland and fortifying eastern flank? i'm starting to sound like _ poland and fortifying eastern flank? i'm starting to sound like a - poland and fortifying eastern flank? i'm starting to sound like a broken. i'm starting to sound like a broken record _ i'm starting to sound like a broken record here — i'm starting to sound like a broken record here but again, i do not want to get ahead of hypotheticals or get into a _ to get ahead of hypotheticals or get into a tit—for—tat of actions. when i into a tit—for—tat of actions. when i was _ into a tit—for—tat of actions. when i was these — into a tit—for—tat of actions. when i was these will determine what happened and will determine what appropriate next steps to take and we are _ appropriate next steps to take and we are engaging in our partners in the polish government and we do not have specifics to offer in terms of who and — have specifics to offer in terms of who and what level but like i said, poland _ who and what level but like i said, poland is — who and what level but like i said, poland is an important partner in nato _ poland is an important partner in nato ally— poland is an important partner in nato ally and so we're continuing to work with— nato ally and so we're continuing to work with these processes and engage on that _ work with these processes and engage on that. . .. work with these processes and engage on that. . ,, ., , ., on that. talking to the minister, a contact at this _ on that. talking to the minister, a contact at this level _ on that. talking to the minister, a contact at this level possible? i i contact at this level possible? i have contact at this level possible?

have no context to preview a contact at this level possible ?_ have no context to preview a readout for that _ have no context to preview a readout for that matter so we cannot get out of that _ for that matter so we cannot get out of that process. for that matter so we cannot get out of that process-— of that process. present biden did sa that it of that process. present biden did say that it was _ of that process. present biden did say that it was territory _ of that process. present biden did say that it was territory and i of that process. present biden did say that it was territory and in i say that it was territory and in principle. _ say that it was territory and in principle. you _ say that it was territory and in principle, you have _ say that it was territory and in principle, you have any - say that it was territory and in principle, you have any to i say that it was territory and in j principle, you have any to just say that it was territory and in i principle, you have any to just the overall— principle, you have any to just the overall attack _ principle, you have any to just the overall attack in _ principle, you have any to just the overall attack in russia _ principle, you have any to just the overall attack in russia today- principle, you have any to just the overall attack in russia today thatj overall attack in russia today that has been — overall attack in russia today that has been reported _ overall attack in russia today that has been reported as _ overall attack in russia today that has been reported as the - overall attack in russia today that has been reported as the largest. overall attack in russia today that i has been reported as the largest so far missile — has been reported as the largest so far missile attack. _ has been reported as the largest so far missile attack. in _ has been reported as the largest so far missile attack.— far missile attack. in responding to the question. _ far missile attack. in responding to the question, to _ far missile attack. in responding to the question, to your— far missile attack. in responding to the question, to your first - the question, to your first question, of course, we stand by nato _ question, of course, we stand by nato and — question, of course, we stand by nato and our nato allies and partners _ nato and our nato allies and partners in this administration has

used _ partners in this administration has used nato — partners in this administration has used nato as one of the most important transatlantic defensive alliances — important transatlantic defensive alliances out there. and i'm not going _ alliances out there. and i'm not going to — alliances out there. and i'm not going to get out of hypotheticals is to get— going to get out of hypotheticals is to get through this process and determine what's happened and determine what's happened and determine appropriate next steps on the strength of esau take place in kyiv and — the strength of esau take place in kyiv and as i said, while president zelensky spoke of the 620 on the path to— zelensky spoke of the 620 on the path to a — zelensky spoke of the 620 on the path to a just peace and ending this war and attacks that have killed civilians — war and attacks that have killed civilians and destroyed critical infrastructure and it is no surprise that after— infrastructure and it is no surprise that after the liberation that they have gone down the path of attempting get again to plunge ukrainian civilians in the darkness. but the _ ukrainian civilians in the darkness. but the united states is going to do is it's— but the united states is going to do is it's going to continue to stand

by the _ is it's going to continue to stand by the people of ukraine and our commitment to our ukrainian partners which _ commitment to our ukrainian partners which is _ commitment to our ukrainian partners which is unwavering. | commitment to our ukrainian partners which is unwavering.— which is unwavering. i know you do not want to — which is unwavering. i know you do not want to get _ which is unwavering. i know you do not want to get ahead _ which is unwavering. i know you do not want to get ahead of _ which is unwavering. i know you do not want to get ahead of this i which is unwavering. i know you do not want to get ahead of this but i not want to get ahead of this but rush is _ not want to get ahead of this but rush is already— not want to get ahead of this but rush is already turning - not want to get ahead of this but rush is already turning to - not want to get ahead of this but rush is already turning to spin i not want to get ahead of this but. rush is already turning to spin the situation with— rush is already turning to spin the situation with the _ rush is already turning to spin the situation with the defence - rush is already turning to spin thel situation with the defence minister saying _ situation with the defence minister saying that — situation with the defence minister saying that the _ situation with the defence minister saying that the reports of - situation with the defence minister saying that the reports of russian. saying that the reports of russian missiles _ saying that the reports of russian missiles landing _ saying that the reports of russian missiles landing in— saying that the reports of russian missiles landing in poland - saying that the reports of russian missiles landing in poland are i missiles landing in poland are deliberate _ missiles landing in poland are deliberate provocation- missiles landing in poland are deliberate provocation aim i missiles landing in poland are deliberate provocation aim to| deliberate provocation aim to exploit — deliberate provocation aim to exploit the _ deliberate provocation aim to exploit the situation. - deliberate provocation aim to exploit the situation. do i deliberate provocation aim to exploit the situation. do you i deliberate provocation aim to i exploit the situation. do you have deliberate provocation aim to - exploit the situation. do you have a response _ exploit the situation. do you have a response to — exploit the situation. do you have a response to what _ exploit the situation. do you have a response to what they're _ exploit the situation. do you have a response to what they're saying? i exploit the situation. do you have a l response to what they're saying? the united response to what they're saying? united states is certainly not trying — united states is certainly not trying to _ united states is certainly not trying to escalate or incite the situation _ trying to escalate or incite the situation at all. we have seen these same _ situation at all. we have seen these same reports and working with the polish _ same reports and working with the polish government to gather more information and we are now at a point _ information and we are now at a point where we can confirm that what exactly _ point where we can confirm that what exactly is _ point where we can confirm that what exactly is transpired and we will take the — exactly is transpired and we will take the appropriate next steps as

well _ take the appropriate next steps as well still— take the appropriate next steps as well. still on the region? let me do one more _ well. still on the region? let me do one more and i'll come back to you. the interest— one more and i'll come back to you. the interest measure, is it time for the department— the interest measure, is it time for the department to _ the interest measure, is it time for the department to revisit _ the interest measure, is it time for the department to revisit its- the department to revisit its decision— the department to revisit its decision and _ the department to revisit its decision and if— the department to revisit its decision and if not, - the department to revisit its decision and if not, if- the department to revisit its decision and if not, if not. the department to revisit its. decision and if not, if not now, when? — decision and if not, if not now, when? ~ . decision and if not, if not now, when? . . , ., decision and if not, if not now, when? . . ,mi ., , when? we have spoken about this tuite when? we have spoken about this quite regularly _ when? we have spoken about this quite regularly in _ when? we have spoken about this quite regularly in the _ when? we have spoken about this quite regularly in the answer i quite regularly in the answer continues to be the same and that is that we _ continues to be the same and that is that we have the number of pools in our pool— that we have the number of pools in our pool belt and to be held accountable and support our ukrainian partners and we have done that to _ ukrainian partners and we have done that to sanctions and exports on russia _ that to sanctions and exports on russia and — that to sanctions and exports on russia and we have done that through security— russia and we have done that through security assistance and humanitarian assistance _ security assistance and humanitarian assistance to the ukrainian partners and to— assistance to the ukrainian partners and to assess specific state sponsored designations would largely

be a redundancy to the many lines and undertaken additionally as i said a _ and undertaken additionally as i said a couple weeks ago, it has not it has— said a couple weeks ago, it has not it has been— said a couple weeks ago, it has not it has been raised was the number of humanitarian operations.— humanitarian operations. saying workin t humanitarian operations. saying working with _ humanitarian operations. saying working with the _ humanitarian operations. saying working with the polish - humanitarian operations. saying i working with the polish government to gather more information from the state department and apologies, the state department and apologies, the state department and apologies, the state department saying that the united states is certainly not trying to escalate when asked about the statement on poland reports. that being what the russian defence ministry was saying in terms of this being an attempt to escalate the situation and so, the state department they are saying that the

white house is working with the polish government. we know that the polish government. we know that the polish government. we know that the polish government is currently convened a special council meeting to work out what is happening and that's because to speak to paul adams, our diplomatic correspondent whojoins us from adams, our diplomatic correspondent who joins us from the newsroom. just talk us through what is happening behind the scenes as we work out what happened on the ground. i work out what happened on the tround. ,. . . work out what happened on the tround. ,, . , ., , , .,, ground. i think what is happening as eve one ground. i think what is happening as everyone is — ground. i think what is happening as everyone is try _ ground. i think what is happening as everyone is try to — ground. i think what is happening as everyone is try to figure _ ground. i think what is happening as everyone is try to figure out - everyone is try to figure out exactly what happened on the ground to stop this is an incident that has taken place on the border of a country at war with russia, and the effect of that incident have been felt on the territory of a nato member, so that on the face of it is a grave situation. and it is the kind of situation, frankly, that people have been apprehensive about ever since the war began, a possibility that it might at some stage spill over and involve nato

countries. now, in terms of figuring out what happened, let's not forget that this happened on a day in which a lot of missiles were flying around in ukrainian airspace, russian missiles that were targeting cities and infrastructure from one end of the country to the other, and a great many ukrainian air defence missiles trying to shoot those down, and in many cases succeeding in shooting those down. so there are a lot of possibilities about what happened that resulted in the deaths of two farm workers right there on the border, just across the border in poland. one, a russian missile somehow flew off course and landed where it was not intended to land. i do not think anyone suspect or think that russia has an interest in attacking polish farms or two, a missile was indeed hit by ukrainian air defence, knocked off course and landed across the border in poland.

those are all possibilities and they will take time to figure out. i think kurt volker, the former us ambassador to need to put it really well, he said russia needs to have an opportunity to explain what happened, that nato should demand that russia explain what happened, and only after that should nato decide on what further action it should take. i do not think we should take. i do not think we should be particularly surprised that the initial response from moscow is a rather defensive one. the russian defence ministry denying reports that one of its missiles was involved in calling this a deliberate provocation, though without saying who was trying to provoke who. this is very early days still and i think it will take some time, given the fact that this involves a number of countries before we know exactly what went on. but i think we should notjump to any conclusions that russia deliberately decided to launch an attack on a nato member. just think

about why on earth that would be a sensible thing for russia to do right now. is sensible thing for russia to do right now-— sensible thing for russia to do ritht now. , ., , ., right now. is really good to get that perspective _ right now. is really good to get that perspective from - right now. is really good to get that perspective from you, i right now. is really good to get that perspective from you, in i right now. is really good to get i that perspective from you, in the sense that this is only breaking for the past hour and 20 minutes or so, so it is very raw news, in terms of what we do know, and like you say, these are reports that russian missiles may have crossed into poland and we are hearing how the russian ministry of defence is saying that the suggestion that they are russian missiles is an escalation, is a provocation, but we're also hearing that ukraine's president volodymyr zelensky is saying that russian missiles have struck poland and he also says, we have long warned that russian actions are not limited to ukraine, adding that they will always support poland. we know that vladimir zelensky has a close relationship with the prime minister poland, but in terms of the rhetoric, world leaders will be trying to de—escalate whatever this ends up to be. ijust wonder how de—escalate whatever this ends up to

be. i just wonder how the machinations of that play out. there will be a concerted _ machinations of that play out. there will be a concerted effort, _ machinations of that play out. ties will be a concerted effort, because just as russia does not have an interest in taking on nato, nor does nato have an interest in taking on russia, so no one is going to want to arrive at the conclusion that russia's delivery attacked a nato member and therefore nato is compelled to respond. the comment you just mention from prison zelensky not surprising, he has indeed worn of the dangers of this spilling over. i think some of the comments from the baltics, the latvian defence minister in particular, was a little incendiary, although if you look carefully at what he said, he did not actually accused russia of deliberately targeting poland. the polish government, it has to be said, seems to have responded pretty cautiously. there is this emergency meeting going on. no polish official to my knowledge has said anything of any consequence so far. this is not a government in warsaw that in any

senseis government in warsaw that in any sense is a fan of russia, and so to point the finger at russia might be an easy instinct was to put has not done that so far, and i think everybody is acutely conscious of the need not tojump didn't any everybody is acutely conscious of the need not to jump didn't any of and conclusions, because those conclusions could be truly dangerous. conclusions could be truly dangerous-— conclusions could be truly danterous. . . ., , ., conclusions could be truly danterous. . ~ ., , ., dangerous. pauladams, our medical correspondent. _ dangerous. pauladams, our medical correspondent, thank— dangerous. pauladams, our medical correspondent, thank you _ dangerous. pauladams, our medical correspondent, thank you very i dangerous. pauladams, our medical| correspondent, thank you very much. just on that note, we have had an reaction from nato, who were asked about the developments, or lease these unconfirmed reports from poland, and data official has told the bbc that nato is looking into these reports and closely coordinating with our allies —— a nato official. that reaction from nato official. that reaction from nato but the alliance, the transatlantic alliance the king —— looking into the reports. we've onlyjust heard about this the past hour and 20 minutes or so.

unconfirmed reports russian missiles have fallen in poland, nato looking at these reports and closely creating with our ally poland, and we also heard that the white house is also working with the polish government to gather more information about these allegations, so i think it isjust information about these allegations, so i think it is just worth, just take a to remind ourselves of the breaking news and what we do know so far, and we do know that poland has convened an emergency national security meeting. it is after two people were killed near the border with ukraine. no reason has been given. that is the village of przewodow. but it follows reports that a stray russian initial bell on a polish farm near the ukrainian border, killing two people, unconfirmed reports. firefighters have confirmed an explosion at the farm and that two deaths did happen,

but we have not got a confirmed reason as to why that explosion happened. so far, we have had this response from russia... it says that statements by polish media and officials were an intentional provocation for the purpose of escalation. we can talk now to a polish journalist, who joins us. i want mike wonder, can you just start by telling us what you know? because i know every polish alec right now, all the media organisations are reporting on this, but it has it been confirmed that this explosion near the border was indeed... a russian missile? i wonder if you can just tell us what it is that you

know about what has happened there? yeah, hello, good evening. as you said we are still waiting for any official information from the polish government. in the late afternoon, there were reports of an explosion of a tractor in a farmhouse in a building where the grain is dragged, very near the russian border. the first reports were of an exposure of a tractor, butjust shortly first reports were of an exposure of a tractor, but just shortly after, reports that these were russian missiles, and two people were killed. actually, several polish media we re were able to confirm it unofficially. sources in the

government, it is, this is the russian rockets, but we still know much more, and we are waiting for official information from the government —— we still don't know much more. we know there is this session of the ministers of a special committee of national security. so far, the only official communique of the government with the spokesperson of the government, who said that the committees are convening, and we ask you to not... not give much more information. wait for the official word from the committees at. i for the official word from the committees at.— for the official word from the committees at. ,, ., ., committees at. i know that when i was on the — committees at. i know that when i was on the border _ committees at. i know that when i was on the border at _ committees at. i know that when i was on the border at the - committees at. i know that when i | was on the border at the beginning of the war, there was a lot of concern of something like, and again i am always reiterating it this is

unconfirmed as such, but there were concerns that a potential missile could overreach. i wonder, just in terms of reaction from, briefly, if you would, marcin, from the polish public, what have you been hearing so far? . . public, what have you been hearing so far? . , , , , so far? yeah, there is this sense for sure. — so far? yeah, there is this sense for sure, there _ so far? yeah, there is this sense for sure, there is _ so far? yeah, there is this sense for sure, there is the _ so far? yeah, there is this sense for sure, there is the sense i so far? yeah, there is this sense for sure, there is the sense of i for sure, there is the sense of waiting. i would for sure, there is the sense of waiting. iwould not for sure, there is the sense of waiting. i would not say there is a panic, but people are exchanging messages about it, about... there is no panic so far. we can say that. yes, you said this possibility, the scenario the russian rockets will stray and land in polish territory, was already... l stray and land in polish territory, was already. . ._ was already... i 'ust want to take this moment — was already... i 'ust want to take this moment to — was already... i just want to take this moment to say _ was already... i just want to take this moment to say goodbye - was already... i just want to take this moment to say goodbye to l was already... i just want to take l this moment to say goodbye to our viewers on pbs. there is much more on this developing story on the bbc

news website. apologies for interrupting you there, just stop your train of thought, but you were saying, please, do continue. yes. saying, please, do continue. yes, the scenario was _ saying, please, do continue. 1a: the scenario was considered, it saying, please, do continue. is: the scenario was considered, it was considered by the government officials as well, from the very beginning of the war confirm the almost very first night of the war, that the russian rockets were already hitting targets near polish border in western ukraine, near levine and other cities in western ukraine —— lviv. yeah, it was considered, that this can happen, so if you ask about the reaction of the public, it is all very fresh. everybody�*s waiting for any word from the government, to see what will be the reaction. uk.

from the government, to see what will be the reaction.— will be the reaction. 0k, marcin terlik, a polish _ will be the reaction. 0k, marcin terlik, a polish journalist - will be the reaction. 0k, marcin| terlik, a polish journalist joining terlik, a polishjournalistjoining us live now, thank you very much for just bringing us up to date in terms of what you know as to what is happening on the ground, and as merse and was staying there, we're winning for official confirmation from the polish government as to what it is that they know in terms of these reports —— as marcin was saying there. these reports that a russian missile had landed in polish territory. let's get reaction from pulling's neighbours, because there's been a lot of reaction from countries like lithuania, where the president called this as concerning the news, saying that every inch of nato territory must be defended. and this reaction from the latvian deputy prime minister, who said that the country fully stand with polish friends and condemns this crime. the hungarian secretary of state for communication said that hungary was a prime minister has convened the

country's defence council and the czech said that if poland confirms that missiles also hit its territory, this would be a further escalation by russia —— czech prime minister. the slovakian defence minister. the slovakian defence minister saying he was very concerned by the reports and said that russia must explain what happened and that russia's recklessness is getting out of hand. in the past few minutes, we've been hearing from a nato official, who has told the bbc... we can talk now to the former permanent representative of turkey to nato. it is good of you to join us. just let's start initially with what it is that you know, in terms of these reports about possible russian missiles striking poland. actually, i believe that it is very early to draw any conclusion, as was

said earlier, and we don't know yet if it is a russian missile or not, and a thorough investigation must be conducted, i believe, and it is sad that two people have lost their lives out of this incident. when it comes to the _ lives out of this incident. when it comes to the working _ lives out of this incident. when it comes to the working process . lives out of this incident. when it comes to the working process of| lives out of this incident. when it - comes to the working process of what nato is doing now, we know that nato is working with the polish government and the dave issued a statement that they are looking into what is happening, butjust give us an insight into what happens behind the scenes when something like this happens, in terms of trying to establish what is going on on the ground. i establish what is going on on the round. . , ., ., , establish what is going on on the i round. ., , ., ., , ., ., i’ establish what is going on on the round. . , . ., , ., ground. i am sure nato is looking to ull in ground. i am sure nato is looking to pull in first— ground. i am sure nato is looking to pull in first to _ ground. i am sure nato is looking to pull in first to provide _ ground. i am sure nato is looking to pull in first to provide detailed - pull in first to provide detailed information about the incident —— to poland first. the investigation, which is probably being conducted by the polish authorities, and they report will be informative to nato,

shared with the allies, and the nato secretary of general of course. i am sure tomorrow the nato council will meet, with the participation of permanent representatives of allied countries, and discuss the issue. this is a very grave situation. it is the first time it is happening at such a strike against a nato ally during the war in ukraine, and it is following a series of missile strikes by russia against ukraine, 85 missiles have been launched against ukraine over the past day or so. escalation and you should act cautiously including the nato allies and i'm sure they will do so and

poland will be the main actor to provide information and to submit any requests for reinforcements of nato forces and in its territory. if they also choose to invoke article four which is the treaty asking the allies to undertake consultations about threats in the nato country short of article five but i think it'll be up to poland to submit the case and share information with the allies. �* . ., ., ., case and share information with the allies. �* . ., ., case and share information with the allies. . ., ., ., allies. and again, good of you to sa this allies. and again, good of you to say this is _ allies. and again, good of you to say this is early _ allies. and again, good of you to say this is early days _ allies. and again, good of you to say this is early days and - allies. and again, good of you to i say this is early days and they keep stressing that we've onlyjust begun

information in the past hour and a half so, it is very early and we appreciate what is happening we are waiting for confirmation as to what caused the explosion but in terms of what you would expect or want to hear, as of the g20, he has the ear of the international community. what responses which you expect and is nato and communication with the kremlin in order to work out what is happening? i’m kremlin in order to work out what is ha eninu? �* ., kremlin in order to work out what is happening?— happening? i'm not sure that nato is in communications _ happening? i'm not sure that nato is in communications with _ happening? i'm not sure that nato is in communications with russia - happening? i'm not sure that nato is in communications with russia but . in communications with russia but there have been talks and senior officials in the united states and russia the day before and he is and for the g20 meeting and so, the

russian authorities have to give an explanation on this incident and i hope it will, i don't think russia has any interest on attacking nato country and that is for sure. but if it was an accident, then they should explain. i it was an accident, then they should exlain. , ., , , explain. i 'ust wonder because we have explain. i just wonder because we have sergey _ explain. i just wonder because we have sergey lavrov _ explain. i just wonder because we have sergey lavrov at _ explain. i just wonder because we have sergey lavrov at the - explain. i just wonder because we have sergey lavrov at the 620 - explain. i just wonder because we | have sergey lavrov at the 620 and explain. i just wonder because we - have sergey lavrov at the 620 and we have sergey lavrov at the g20 and we also have this huge amount of strikes by russia against ukraine, what does that say about russia's attitude towards what the international community thinks about leverage the international community has in terms of trying to reach out to russia? i has in terms of trying to reach out to russia? ., has in terms of trying to reach out to russia?— to russia? i think the withdrawal from

kherson had a humiliating effect on the russian leadership and probably response to the from the occupied territorial of ukraine and so, it's punishing factor and withdrawal from kherson which was a strategically important city and ukraine is waging a war of independence against the invading countries and the west has been providing support and there also very cautious about suggesting restraint to ukrainian leadership not to attack russian territories.

in return, actually, the west would expect also to show restraint for any territory of a native country. i appreciate your reaction and response. nato they're saying it's been reacting to a question by the bbc saying that they are looking into these allegations and with poland and the state department speaking of the developments and here in the slip they had to say. what we do know is that this war has been one _ what we do know is that this war has been one that is unjust and it has been _ been one that is unjust and it has been brutal and affected millions of lives not _ been brutal and affected millions of lives notjust in ukraine but across the world as well and as you guys

know— the world as well and as you guys know in— the world as well and as you guys know in response to president zelensky, what president putin did was he _ zelensky, what president putin did was he met ukraine with another round _ was he met ukraine with another round of— was he met ukraine with another round of cruel attacks that killed civilians — round of cruel attacks that killed civilians and over going to do is were _ civilians and over going to do is were going to continue to stand with the government and people of ukraine who have _ the government and people of ukraine who have stayed strong in the face of these _ who have stayed strong in the face of these brutal in needless onslaughts for months and will continue — onslaughts for months and will continue to support ukraine. the us state department _ continue to support ukraine. the us state department giving _ continue to support ukraine. the us state department giving their - state department giving their reactions saying that the white house is working with poland to establish what is happened and those are reports that russian missiles have fallen within polish territory and more so, here are some the outside of the polish office of national security and this is where we are expecting to hear statements from the government spokesperson and we know the polish prime minister has called an urgent meeting of the

countries national security council and they are, of course, establishing what is happened in that village in the east of poland, very close to portland's border with ukraine and getting reports that russian missile has fallen and a keep saying, these are reports for the time being we are waiting in the confirmation we hope to hear from a spokesperson for the polish government. currently that urgent meeting and that's the scene live in the podium, there waiting in the polish media reporting what is happening state department correspondent in the us state department press conference that the

statement that the us state department gave very much at the momentjust trying to establish what is potentially happening and reiterating that they're working with the polish government. {line reiterating that they're working with the polish government. one of the re orts with the polish government. one of the reports that _ with the polish government. one of the reports that is _ with the polish government. one of the reports that is talked _ with the polish government. one of the reports that is talked about - with the polish government. one of the reports that is talked about in l the reports that is talked about in this alleged missile attack quoted an unnamed us intelligence official of the us government is being very cautious in the state department and the white house and the pentagon have also they cannot confirm these reports clear speaking to members of the polish government to figure out what happened and think about what steps need to be taken if steps need to be taken at all and they have also reaffirmed that the united states is a very strong commitment to its article five responsibilities under nato which is to protect any nato ally as you may recall, president biden has been clear about that on numerous occasions and set the americans would be ready to

defend every inch of nato territory and he is called it a secret obligation and having said that, the state department also said in determining next steps if indeed this does turned out to have been missiles from russia that tensions would be one of the things taken into account are factored in intensive response by that, meaning would it have been a deliberate straight, would have been accident, a missile gone astray, those would all be parts of the deliberation which would be once it is confirmed either way but what caused those explosions just over the border from ukraine and poland. mi explosions just over the border from ukraine and poland.— ukraine and poland. all of this caution but — ukraine and poland. all of this caution but the _ ukraine and poland. all of this caution but the back— ukraine and poland. all of this caution but the back drop - ukraine and poland. all of this caution but the back drop is i ukraine and poland. all of this i caution but the back drop is that we have had extensive action in ukraine itself today. have had extensive action in ukraine itself toda . , have had extensive action in ukraine itself today-— itself today. yes, they are the us government _ itself today. yes, they are the us government that has _ itself today. yes, they are the us government that has responded i itself today. yes, they are the us| government that has responded in terms of the russian missile strikes on key of another parts of the country which are targeting the

electricity grid and they have been quite strong in condemning that in the white house did so saying that tying it to the meeting of the g20 and bali the witches were president biden is saying that this only served to deepen the concerns among the 620 served to deepen the concerns among the g20 and the destabilisation impact of putin's war because they are trying to work in a statement there that would call for an end to there that would call for an end to the war and they're talking about the war and they're talking about the impact of the war on the world in the globalfood the impact of the war on the world in the global food security, the energy markets and so on and so the white house tied itself to that scenario and also said that it was prepared to continue to support ukraine and stand with ukraine as long as it takes and also the state departments tying that barrage of missiles to the speech by the president of ukraine but apparently called for peace in saying this was

the response and those of the ways that the us government has been responding to this missile strikes and again repeating that it will stand with ukraine and its fight with russia for as long as it takes. many thanks forjust bringing us these threads together. our state department correspondent, thank you forjoining us. which are looking at is the live shot from warsaw this is outside the national security and those microphones are there from the various different press media organisations because we are expecting to hear from someone from the government, a spokesperson, whether a member of the government at the moment and the polish prime minister is holding the national security council meeting, an urgent

meeting over the fact of the details is happening on the ground near the border between poland and ukraine and this is the live shot and we are waiting to get any official confirmation as to what caused the explosion but polish media very much reporting on this and so, let's just cross over the gf because all of this is happening with the backdrop of what happened today across many areas of ukraine in terms of the attacks and the anchor for a ctv, one of ukraine's biggest tv channels and speaking a little bit earlier, we'd interrupt conversation butjust in terms of what you experienced and what your colleagues and friends and families experienced in many other areas across ukraine that have been targeted, the talk us through what

we had today. but targeted, the talk us through what we had today-— targeted, the talk us through what we had today. targeted, the talk us through what we had toda . �* ., ~ ., , we had today. but we need to know is 7 million people _ we had today. but we need to know is 7 million people are _ we had today. but we need to know is 7 million people are experiencing i 7 million people are experiencing electricity cuts and not having electricity cuts and not having electricity in their homes and healings in their homes and i could not tell opal the situation unexpected because everyone in the ukraine was expecting what happened today and it usually is after the 620 today and it usually is after the g20 summit in everyone and other cities and towns were expected that this is going to happen again. so, it did happen and it did hit a lot of civilian infrastructures and the hitting facilities providing heating for ukrainians in the homes the ukrainian people and for now, we

know that one person has been confirmed dead and so many injured and we do not know the exact amount because ukrainian government prefers not to mention the amount of wounded or dead in the cases been —— until the cases thoroughly in investigated. in that information is classified and not to be distributed in ukrainian society. so, we do not know how bad the situation is but we do know that the situation is bad enoughin do know that the situation is bad enough in cities which are right near the polish border and we know that a few different targets were hit by russian warheads earlier today. here in ukraine, people are also

following what is happening right now, and they say that they hope the investigation results will come out soon, because obviously there will be some parts of the rockets that hit the farm in poland and the investigation will show who is behind this attack.— investigation will show who is behind this attack. yeah, important 'ust to behind this attack. yeah, important just to caveat that _ behind this attack. yeah, important just to caveat that we _ behind this attack. yeah, important just to caveat that we still - behind this attack. yeah, important just to caveat that we still don't i just to caveat that we still don't know what caused that explosion. anchor for a know what caused that explosion. anchorfor a ctv, one of ukraine's biggest television channels, thank you very much for being on the programme with us tonight, reacting to that news of those reports from poland, and also just bringing to that news of those reports from poland, and alsojust bringing us an update on what has happened throughout the day across ukraine. thank you. let's just bring you up—to—date with... because it has been a busy news day for the past couple of hours especially, our breaking news. poland has convened a national security meeting. it is after two people were killed near the border with ukraine. no reason

has been given, but this follows reports that strained russian missiles fell on a farm near the border, killing two people. firefighters have confirmed and expose and at the farm and the two deaths but have not given a cause. so we are still awaiting more confirmation. russia has issued a response to the allegations, saying that... it says that statement by polish media and officials were an intentional provocation for the purpose of escalation. we can speak to the former prime minister of ukraine, whojoins us live to the former prime minister of ukraine, who joins us live now. just bring us first of all your reaction as to what it is that we are hearing, in terms of these reports that possibly russian missiles have hit within the terrains of poland.

when the russian mr issued the statement, we can change instead of rushing minister, because usually they disseminate provocations, and fake information, but it is definitely russia who launched this provocation, and i didn't don't i don't believe that our polish friends and partners will send —— i do believe our friends and partners will send a forensic partner on the ground and i suggest this is a russian mitchell. let me remind you about you just said that around 100 missiles, a barrage of 100 missiles has been launched by the russian military the same day the g20 is having the meeting. your prime minister, he was very vocal supporting ukraine and actually putting the blame on russia and actually saying that russia is an aggressive state, but could you imagine that putin did it on purpose but he did it deliberately the same day as the g20 is trying to find a

consensus and to issue a joint statement actually supporting ukraine? he made notjust of provocation but another or crime launching these russian missiles and violating the territory of nato, probably, but frankly speaking, i cannot eager out who could it could be except putting, so it is definitely not ukraine, who launched dismissal —— figure out who it could be except putin. if it's the time when russia committed these war crimes, so my take is that nato needs to react and at least nato is urgently needing to invoke article four of the washington treaty. the next one is article five, but article four is a consultation among all nato member states and ukraine will be very supportive of providing any kind of evidence related to this

missile strike that hit the territory of nato members. i wonder, 'ust auoin territory of nato members. i wonder, just going back _ territory of nato members. i wonder, just going back to _ territory of nato members. i wonder, just going back to the _ territory of nato members. i wonder, just going back to the 620 _ just going back to the g20 summit, a lot of the experts that i've been speaking to over the past couple of hours are saying that russia needs to react and issue a statement about, if it does this —— turn out to be russian mitchell, to give a reaction, but we also hear russia saying these reports are deliberate attempt at escalation combat provocation. and given what we saw today across ukraine, especially as g20 leaders are convening, what does that say? what can we expect here from russia? let me reiterate once again. this is a regular narrative. this is a russian style and global style propaganda, when they disseminate fake news. it is an active timber and working committed by russia. that is my

take. in terms of their deliberate actions, today the g summary attachment g20 summit is not occurring. i believe this is not just the signal to the entire free world, putting -- putin —— putin deliberately humiliated the chinese president and prime minister india. how can you be neutral these kind of aggression of russian aggression, against a sovereign state? and he said dumb sent the signal he does not care. he is ready to move forward and cross any kind of redlines. he does not care what kind ofjoint statements the g20 is to issue, so he wants to take over ukraine and he wants to undermine the global order, and this is the signal that has pushed both the chinese and indians

to the right side of history, and actually to start to put the blame on russia, to recognise that russia is an aggressive state and to stop any kind of financial and economic support of russia. i}i(. any kind of financial and economic support of russia.— support of russia. ok, arseniy yatsenyuk. _ support of russia. ok, arseniy yatsenyuk. we _ support of russia. ok, arseniy yatsenyuk, we are _ support of russia. ok, arseniy yatsenyuk, we are out - support of russia. ok, arseniy yatsenyuk, we are out of i support of russia. ok, arseniy| yatsenyuk, we are out of time, support of russia. ok, arseniy i yatsenyuk, we are out of time, but really appreciate your reaction, former prime minister of ukraine, arseniy yatsenyuk, thank you very much. just reacting to that news, those reports of a russian missile, still unconfirmed reports, of those missiles potentially hitting within polish borders. my colleague dan johnson is in krakow for us, in eastern poland, quite relatively near the border, not usually near, but what are you hearing? people obviously are you hearing? people obviously are going to be worried they are?

yes, this is exactly what people in these to poland feared right at the start of the war. when i was reporting right at the begin of the conflict, during march particularly in this city and closeted ukrainian border, people really worry about that conflict spilling over. we saw more signing up to the territorial defence force. he saw them preparing for in case there were attacks that came across onto their territory. we saw people packing their cars, packing clothes, ready to flee for the west. now detention has eased after the early weeks of the invasion, that threat has not materialised, but this will cause serious concern, because whatever is behind this, whatever has caused it, whatever sort of accident has occurred here, we assume, that means there has olise been fragments of missiles which have landed on polish territory and taken lives, that will confirm people's worst fears, whether it was intentional or not,

the conflict in ukraine has got the potential to spill over and to cause issues here in poland, which is nato. this is very close to the spot where joe nato. this is very close to the spot wherejoe biden landed at the beginning of april in air force one. that was a show of support for the polish people, for people right across eastern europe who were concerned at that time, a show support for nato, a message that nato would be with these nations that bordered ukraine for the conflict spill out of that country. we need to find out what is eckley has happened, what has caused this loss of life, but it will cause major concern to people here. life is still going on in krakow, in the cities around this part of pulling tonight, but this is news that will concern people, it does show the conflict has got the potential to spill over the borders and to cause damage and loss of life in poland, a nato country. what this means now in

terms of any response is a huge question. that is why there are emergency meetings taking place involving polish politicians, including the politicians, the leaders of other nations in eastern europe tonight, messages of support for the polish people, the polish the ship, and all eyes now on nato and the leaders of the western nations to seek what they are going to do in terms of a response. dan. to do in terms of a response. dan, as we watch _ to do in terms of a response. dan, as we watch just _ to do in terms of a response. dan, as we watch just outside _ to do in terms of a response. dan, as we watch just outside that i as we watch just outside that government building, we are expecting a spokesperson from the polish government to issue, give us a little boomer detail, because that meeting, that emergency meeting, had been convened just within the past hour or so. you and been convened just within the past hour orso. you and i been convened just within the past hour or so. you and i both know that people across poland and all of those neighbouring countries have taken in so many of those refugees from ukraine, who are fleeing the country, and this willjust remind everybody, not that people within those regions need reminding, the

war in ukraine is very much active and the threat is very much there. of course, yes, these towns and cities in the east of poland were absolutely on the front line of the humanitarian response to the war in ukraine. these were major crossing points where millions of ukrainians border crossing the first few weeks of the war. they are still living here. there are hundreds of thousands of ukrainian families who are living with polish families, living in polish families accommodation that have been made available, in krakow, in other towns and cities, particularly in the east of poland. that is a way of life, and to some degree, they've got used to it as this confidence gone on, and other things and calms down since that intense pressure of the first few weeks of the war, everyone here has been keenly aware of the suffering of ukrainian people, of their humanitarian needs, whether in ukraine or as refugees here in poland and in other countries too, but also in terms of the conflict thatis but also in terms of the conflict that is happening just a few miles from here. there's always been that

unease but i potential that he could spill over the whether that be a deliberate or not, and accidental spilling over of the conflict could potentially involve this nation or the other nations that border ukraine. there is intense history here that everone is aware of, the relationship with ukraine, with russia, the fact the cassidy lake lviv, which ukraine used to be part of poland, there are really strong bonds here, cultural ties, of poland, there are really strong bonds here, culturalties, integral sympathy —— the city like lviv. the polish people were aware that there was the potential at some stage they might get wrapped up in this and thatis might get wrapped up in this and that is why some people were making preparations. we know the polish army has had it spending increased. there have been more militant movements throughout this year in the east of poland. there are more us service personnel, other nato military forces, that are based here now, in readiness. there has always been a presence to some degree, that has stepped up this year, so everyone has been keenly aware of

just how close they are to this conflict and how it could become a real threat to their lives. it looks like if these reports are confirmed, that has now happened to some degree. that has now happened to some decree. ., ., , that has now happened to some decree. . . , ., degree. yeah, and we 'ust have achtin: degree. yeah, and we 'ust have yachting that h degree. yeah, and we 'ust have yachting that we i degree. yeah, and we 'ust have yachting that we need i degree. yeah, and we just have yachting that we need that i yachting that we need that confirmation. danjohnson in krakow, very much thank you, just remind ourselves of the closeness of the ties between poland and ukraine. my father was born in lviv, for example. those ties are extremely close. let's talk to a foreign editor of poland's national newspaper. what do you know? what can you tell us? i newspaper. what do you know? what can you tell us?— can you tell us? i 'ust read a re tort can you tell us? i 'ust read a report written i can you tell us? i 'ust read a report written by i can you tell us? ijust read a report written by one - can you tell us? ijust read a report written by one of i can you tell us? ijust read a report written by one of our| can you tell us? ijust read a i report written by one of our local correspondence, close to przewodow, or this explosion took place. he spoke to the witnesses, the local inhabitants. they were telling him about a strange object coming from the sky and a huge blast, huge explosion, in the green processing

plant close to the border. there was a tractor with a trailer of a huge scale, used to weight this tractor, and this was struck by this rocket or two rockets, as we've been informed. there is no official confirmation from the polish government, and there are signs of solidarity coming from ukraine, from germany, from finland, from loggia, —— from lafayette, from the czech republic, but we don't know almost anything. we have seen some pictures, a huge hole blown up in the ground, some pieces of middle, which could be alloy from this rocket. or some other thing. we seen a picture of a destroyed tractor.

bartosz, can you confirm that it was some kind of missile? is that at least confirmed? and just briefly, if you would? least confirmed? and 'ust briefly, if you width least confirmed? and 'ust briefly, if you mouth if you would? officially, nobody told us it was a _ if you would? officially, nobody told us it was a missile, - if you would? officially, nobody told us it was a missile, but i if you would? officially, nobody| told us it was a missile, but that is what we have learned. also from the defence department in the united states. they're talking to the missile being, simply connecting the fact there was a huge missile strike against ukraine today. we don't know for sure. against ukraine today. we don't know forsure. it against ukraine today. we don't know for sure. it could be some missile was misguided or there was some kind of tactical error, but there is no official confirmation... ok. bartosz hello we are waiting for a statement. emmanuel macron inspecting a discussion at the g20 over this, christian fraser. he is coming up next with the context over this, world leaders are meeting in bali. discussion at the g20 over this, world leaders are meeting in bali. much more from my colleague much more from my colleague christian fraser. he is coming up christian fraser. he is coming up next with the context. next with the context.

hello. you're watching the context on bbc news. a dangerous escalation in the ukraine crisis amid reports the two russian missiles of landed in neighbouring poland killing two people. the us state department are looking into the reports and poland has coded a meeting of the national security council and i take my firing of roger missiles at ukraine, the largest attack in months and at some of the biggest cities. with the context, retired general and the man in moscow, steve rosenberg.