this is bbc news — welcome if you're watching here in the uk or around the globe. i'm geeta guru—murthy. the headlines: nato says tuesday's blast in poland which killed two people was likely caused by a ukrainian air defence missile. poland's president called it an "unfortunate incident", and nato�*s secretary general said ukraine was just trying to protect itself. this is not ukraine's fault. russia bears ultimate responsibility as it continues its illegal war against ukraine. jens stoltenberg will be joining us live on the programme. also coming up:

in washington, ukraine's allies have been urged to strengthen its air defences. in bali, 620 leaders end their summit with a declaration saying that most countries strongly condemn russia's war in ukraine. as the world's leaders continue to react to the missile strike in poland on tuesday, in which two people died. nato has confirmed the missile is likely to have been fired by ukrainian air defence. but the organisation has insisted it wouldn't have happened without russia's bombardment of ukraine. and moscow bears ultimate responsibility. in a moment, we'll talk live to the nato secretary generaljens stoltenberg, but first, our diplomatic correspondent paul adams explains the background.

yesterday's news of an explosion in holland caused a shudder of fear throughout the western alliance, especially in these eastern european members of nato, hear and read. resist the moment everyone had been dreading february when nato finally found itself in direct confrontation with russia? let's remember what was actually happening yesterday right on nato�*s doorstep. another day of massive russian missile strikes here in red against ukraine's civilian infrastructure, from one end of the country to the other. some of those strikes were over the far west, very close to the polish border, very close to the polish border, very close to the village where two people died. ukraine said, and still says, that a russian missile was responsible. before long, though, experts looked at this wreckage and came up with a different theory, that these were parts of an air defence missile fired by ukraine. world leaders from joe biden to the polish president have all gradually

come to the same conclusion. this is the s 300, a russian made surface—to—air missile, introduced in the 1970s and still widely used throughout the old soviet union, including ukraine. as russian cruise missiles flew across ukrainian cities yesterday, there were frantic efforts to shoot them down. many were successful. some were not. western leaders all agree that ukraine has an absolute right to defend itself. what happened yesterday in poland, they say, was not ukraine's fault. i am dry now by jens stoltenberg. thank you for being with us here on bbc. you will know that president zelensky has been speaking within the last hour or so. there still seems to be some confusion as to what exactly has been found on that border in poland. they have said, as we understand it, the

ukrainians have said that they think they are rocket exploded in the air before reaching polish soil. what evidence do you have that is what happened? the evidence do you have that is what happened?— evidence do you have that is what hauened? , ., ., , , happened? the investigation is still on . oin . , happened? the investigation is still ongoing. but _ happened? the investigation is still ongoing. but our— happened? the investigation is still ongoing, but our initial— happened? the investigation is still ongoing, but our initial assessment is the same as the polish assessment. poland is actually in charge of the investigation. most likely this is a ukrainian air defence missile. but the main message is that russia bears the ultimate responsibility because this would not have happened if russia had not waged a brutal war of aggression against ukraine. yesterday was a wave of missile and air strikes against ukrainian cities. of course, ukraine has the right to defend itself against these attacks. worse are dangerous and accidents happen. that does not change the responsibility of the

aggressive party for the consequences of the war. it is important _ consequences of the war. it is important to _ consequences of the war. it is important to establish the detailed facts, isn't it? we are hearing that ukraine, mrzelensky facts, isn't it? we are hearing that ukraine, mr zelensky is saying that the investigators should know the serial number of the rocket fired, that there is intelligence that they would like to be given access to, data on what has actually happened. are you going to share that information with ukraine? first of all, the investigation _ information with ukraine? first of all, the investigation has - information with ukraine? first of all, the investigation has not - information with ukraine? first of| all, the investigation has not been finalised, therefore no final conclusion is possible to draw from an ongoing investigation. at the same time, i think it is important to be transparent about what our preliminary assessments are, and they are the same as poland and other allies have reached will stop poland is responsible, and poland is leading the investigation because it is an incident that happened on

polish territory. i am sure there are some contacts, some dialogue between ukraine and poland. the most important thing is to continue to help ukraine to defend themselves. today i attended a meeting of a support group for ukraine were nato allies and partners made new pledges for more advanced air defence systems so we can help to shoot down russian missiles. the best way to prevent any risk like this in the future is for russia to stop the war. ~ , , future is for russia to stop the war. ~ ,, , , war. mr zelensky yesterday did see initially that — war. mr zelensky yesterday did see initially that it — war. mr zelensky yesterday did see initially that it was _ war. mr zelensky yesterday did see initially that it was a _ war. mr zelensky yesterday did see initially that it was a russian - initially that it was a russian missile to blame. he has said, we think, if it is a ukrainian rocket, then they would apologise. is it still possible that this was part of a russian rocket fired by russia? that has gone into polish territory. or do you think mr zelensky is wrong? or do you think mr zelensky is wron: ? ~ ., or do you think mr zelensky is wront ? ~ ., ., or do you think mr zelensky is wront? ~ ., ., ., , i,

wrong? we have no indications that this is a deliberate _ wrong? we have no indications that this is a deliberate attack— wrong? we have no indications that this is a deliberate attack from - this is a deliberate attack from russia. but as i said, we have investigations ongoing. our assessment so far is that most likely this is an air defence missile. i think when it comes to the details, we all have to wait until after the investigation has been finalised, but regardless of the outcome of those analyses, there is no doubt, that is absolutely clear, all allies agree and ukraine agrees that russia is responsible because this would not have happened if russia had not launched a barrage of missile attacks against ukrainian cities yesterday, as they have done many times before.— cities yesterday, as they have done many times before. what is your exit stratet many times before. what is your exit strategy for — many times before. what is your exit strategy for this _ many times before. what is your exit strategy for this war? _ many times before. what is your exit strategy for this war? what - many times before. what is your exit strategy for this war? what does - strategy for this war? what does victory look like? we have seen a senior visit —— uk military voice say that has not been spelt out and it should be.

say that has not been spelt out and it should loo-— it should be. this is a war of aggression _ it should be. this is a war of aggression where _ it should be. this is a war of aggression where russia - it should be. this is a war of| aggression where russia has it should be. this is a war of- aggression where russia has invaded another country. we all want peace and also want a peaceful negotiated solution. at the same time, we need to understand that if president putin and russia stops fighting, then we will have peace. if president zelensky and ukraine stop fighting, then ukraine will cease to exist as an independent sovereign nation. therefore, responsibility is to support at some stage, this war will most likely end at the negotiating table, but we know that the outcome of those negotiations are closely and fundamentally linked to the strength on the battlefield. the more we support ukraine with military equipment, with military capabilities, the more we maximise the likelihood for a political outcome on the negotiating table, which is acceptable for ukraine stop have those negotiations or is there

any channel by which those talks are happening or could happen? we saw the top us general talking about... asking questions about whether it is time for negotiations. pushback from that, of course, in kyiv. and yet people are asking whether president zelensky as being unrealistic in his demands for continued support. first of all, demands for continued support. first of all. there — demands for continued support. first of all, there has _ demands for continued support. f “st of all, there has been negotiations before, but russia did not have any real willingness to make compromises. of course, just a few weeks ago, the annexed parts of ukraine, that is not an expression of real willingness to compromise and negotiate. ukraine has made it clear that they are ready to negotiate, but of course they have clear conditions. ukraine has the right to defend themselves. they are

attacked by another country, they have the right to defend themselves, thatis have the right to defend themselves, that is a right which is the un charter. again, we have to support them to enable them to reach a result on the negotiating table. which ensures ukraine prevails as a sovereign nation. ihtre which ensures ukraine prevails as a sovereign nation.— sovereign nation. are the really understanding _ sovereign nation. are the really understanding that _ sovereign nation. are the really understanding that western - sovereign nation. are the really - understanding that western support cannot go on indefinitely? we are seeing huge economic hits to the public, to the taxpayers of europe, and in america we are seeing food shortages in africa, we are not seeing total political support around the world. this is very much seen as a european war. doesn't need to have to urgently looking out for a solution, a negotiated solution, a compromise on all sides? m ista kes mistakes when he mi: and is when he forces. "id is when he forces. the when he forces. the other he forc nato e other he forc nato and her he

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political momentum out of other global crises that we should be more focused on. this global crises that we should be more focused on. , l l, , l, focused on. this war has global ramifications _ focused on. this war has global ramifications on _ focused on. this war has global ramifications on the _ focused on. this war has global ramifications on the energy - focused on. this war has global. ramifications on the energy prices, on food prices, and attention we are able to deliver to other challenges like climate change. the best way of preventing that from continuing is for russia to end the war. russia started this war, and russia can end the war because a war of aggression is something which is absolutely illegal and should not go on. iens illegal and should not go on. jens stoltenberg. _ illegal and should not go on. jens stoltenberg, thank you very much indeed forjoining us.— stoltenberg, thank you very much indeed forjoining us. indeed for 'oining us. thank you so much for indeed forjoining us. thank you so much for having _ indeed forjoining us. thank you so much for having me. _ indeed forjoining us. thank you so much for having me. lloyd - indeed forjoining us. thank you so much for having me. lloyd austin i indeed forjoining us. thank you so i much for having me. lloyd austin has been speaking _ much for having me. lloyd austin has been speaking at _ much for having me. lloyd austin has been speaking at the _ much for having me. lloyd austin has been speaking at the pentagon - much for having me. lloyd austin has been speaking at the pentagon in - much for having me. lloyd austin has been speaking at the pentagon in the| been speaking at the pentagon in the last few minutes. let's listen to what he has said. the last few minutes. let's listen to what he has said.— what he has said. the polish government's _ what he has said. the polish government's investigation i what he has said. the polish | government's investigation of what he has said. the polish - government's investigation of this explosion, they have been conducting

that investigation in a professional and deliberate manner. so we will not get ahead of their work. we are going to stay in close touch with our polish counterparts, as well as with our nato allies and other valued partners. we are still gathering information, but we have seen nothing that contradicts the polish president's preliminary assessment that this explosion was most likely the result of a ukrainian air defence missile that unfortunately landed in poland. whatever the final conclusions may be, the world knows that russia bears ultimate responsibility for this incident. russia launched another barrage of missiles against ukraine, specifically intended to target ukraine's civilian infrastructure. this tragic and troubling incident as yet another reminder of the recklessness of

russia's war of choice. and ukraine has a bedrock right to defend itself, and we will continue to stand in solidarity with the people of ukraine as they defend their country. of ukraine as they defend their count . ., of ukraine as they defend their count . l, l, , ,, country. some of that press conference _ country. some of that press conference that _ country. some of that press conference that has - country. some of that press conference that has been i country. some of that press . conference that has been going country. some of that press - conference that has been going on in last few minutes. let me speak now to our us state department correspondent. tell is a bit more about the lines that are coming out at the moment. we about the lines that are coming out at the moment.— about the lines that are coming out at the moment. we are hearing from the secretary — at the moment. we are hearing from the secretary of _ at the moment. we are hearing from the secretary of defence _ at the moment. we are hearing from the secretary of defence lloyd - the secretary of defence lloyd austin as well as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, they have just finished a meeting with what is called the ukraine contact group, which is a group of about 50 nation supporting ukraine in its battle against russia. they were responding to the missile strike and the investigations into what happened. as you heard from general austin, they are saying that they have nothing to contradict what the polls

have been saying, that this looks as if it was a ukrainian missile. but repeating, as nato is doing, as poland is doing, that russia bears ultimate responsibility because ukraine was defending itself against a barrage of missiles targeting its electricity grid. we have comments from a general which said that was probably the largest barrage of missiles since the war began. he also said that it was a deliberate targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure with the intent to harm, and that that was a war crime. he said, as did general austin, that air defence was becoming critical. this was a major topic of the ukraine contact group. they were looking at an integrated air and missile defence system which was becoming necessary. that had been quite a large part of their discussion today. he also predicted, he said russia could end this war today, but it looked as if it was planning to continue the fight into the winter as best as the americans

could tell. he repeated several times that the us would support ukraine as long as it takes. speaking about the ukraine contact group and this alliance supporting ukraine, he said that there was absolute urgency and determination on the part of member states that cohesion and resolve was high. he also mentioned that he had tried to contact his russian counterpart yesterday, but they were not able to get through on the call. it seemed as though the russians did not take that call. e l, , , l, , , that call. what is your sense overall about _ that call. what is your sense overall about the _ that call. what is your sense overall about the dangers i that call. what is your sense overall about the dangers of| that call. what is your sense i overall about the dangers of acts accidental escalation? that overall about the dangers of acts accidental escalation?— accidental escalation? that is a fairly widespread _ accidental escalation? that is a fairly widespread view - accidental escalation? that is a fairly widespread view amongst accidental escalation? that is a i fairly widespread view amongst the nato members, the country is on the border of ukraine. it has been a concern from the beginning that the conflict in ukraine would expand to nato countries, and president biden responded to that concretely very

early on in the conflict by sending reinforcements. you know nato has also put together a plan to send reinforcements in a rapid action group in case there was any such attack or increase at that spill over by accident. there is a great fear that this could become a much bigger conflict. both sides have exercised a fair bit of restraint, trying to make sure that it did not happen. i think the general view is that the russians do not want to expand the conflict. certainly the assessment that it was a ukrainian missile that seems to have misfired, thatis missile that seems to have misfired, that is the assessment at the moment, although investigations are continuing, would have been a great relief to nato members, that this was not an intentional missile firing by the russians to open up the conflict to a wider arena. so, yes, there is a current fear that there could be a spill—over, but a lot of effort to try to prevent that from happening. lot of effort to try to prevent that from happening-— lot of effort to try to prevent that

from haueninu. l, ., , l vitaliy shevchenko, russia editor at bbc monitoring is here with me. thank you for being here. in terms of how this has been seen in the last 2a hours, and we are still seeing a lot of discussion about it, with ukraine questioning some of the data and wanting more information, what is your assessment of how much we actually know about the attack? how sure are we about the data? l, , l attack? how sure are we about the data? l, , , l, l l, , , data? not very sure, not completely sure. the pictures _ data? not very sure, not completely sure. the pictures that _ data? not very sure, not completely sure. the pictures that i _ data? not very sure, not completely sure. the pictures that i have i data? not very sure, not completely sure. the pictures that i have seen, | sure. the pictures that i have seen, and the pictures that have been seen by leading verification experts, they seem to show parts of what is known as an s 300 surface to air missile, which suggests that it could be a ukrainian missile because its range is too short to have been

fired all the way from russia. it is also designed to shoot down aerial targets, such as the cruise missiles used by russia during this massive attack on ukraine yesterday. some s 3005 attack on ukraine yesterday. some s 300s have been repurposed, but again the range is too short. whether this is conclusive evidence, not really, but with officials in the west saying that it is probably, likely to be a ukrainian missile, i think thatis to be a ukrainian missile, i think that is the consensus we are seeing in the west. but president zelensky in the west. but president zelensky in the west. but president zelensky in the past couple of hours, he said he had spoken to his top brass, and he had spoken to his top brass, and he had spoken to his top brass, and he had no reason to question their assertions that it was not a ukrainian missile.- assertions that it was not a ukrainian missile. can you tell us more about _ ukrainian missile. can you tell us more about what _ ukrainian missile. can you tell us more about what he _ ukrainian missile. can you tell us more about what he has - ukrainian missile. can you tell us more about what he has said? it|

ukrainian missile. can you tell us. more about what he has said? it is fairly complex, isn't it, his lines of argument? he fairly complex, isn't it, his lines of argument?— fairly complex, isn't it, his lines of arument? , , of argument? he basically continues to insist the — of argument? he basically continues to insist the missile _ of argument? he basically continues to insist the missile was _ of argument? he basically continues to insist the missile was not - to insist the missile was not ukrainian. and that is why what we are seeing is a bit of a rift between western officials and the countries that supply ukraine with weapons and munitions and ukraine itself. this is potentially very bad news for ukraine.— itself. this is potentially very bad news for ukraine. president zelensky esterda news for ukraine. president zelensky yesterday did — news for ukraine. president zelensky yesterday did come _ news for ukraine. president zelensky yesterday did come out _ news for ukraine. president zelensky yesterday did come out and - news for ukraine. president zelensky yesterday did come out and blame i yesterday did come out and blame russia for this. there has been one news agency reporting that they think president zelensky is being irresponsible. it is think president zelensky is being irresponsible.— irresponsible. it is true that he was very quick _ irresponsible. it is true that he was very quick to _ irresponsible. it is true that he was very quick to blame i irresponsible. it is true that he l was very quick to blame russia. today he is not the only ukrainian official who is insisting that it is a russian missile. the head of ukraine's national security and

defence counsel, he said that ukraine was ready to provide evidence of what he called the russian trace. he also said that ukraine would be interested to see the evidence used by its western allies, which they say suggests that it was a ukrainian missile. a bit of a rift going on. it was a ukrainian missile. a bit of a rift going on-_ a rift going on. how will that affect relations _ a rift going on. how will that affect relations going i a rift going on. how will that affect relations going on? i a rift going on. how will that| affect relations going on? mr zelensky cannot go on without the trust and support of his western backers. r l , l, , l, trust and support of his western backers. r l, i l, ll l backers. absolutely not. the weapons that have allowed _ backers. absolutely not. the weapons that have allowed him _ backers. absolutely not. the weapons that have allowed him to _ backers. absolutely not. the weapons that have allowed him to continue i that have allowed him to continue fighting russia for more than eight months, they have been supplied by the west. but western officials, while saying that it is likely that it was a ukrainian missile that fell in poland, they add that ukraine is not really to blame for what happened because it was caused by this massive missile attack carried out by russia. and they point the

finger of ultimate blame at russia, saying had it not been for its attack, this would not have happened. attack, this would not have happened-— attack, this would not have happened. attack, this would not have hauened. �* ll ll ll happened. and we have also heard that president _ happened. and we have also heard that president zelensky _ happened. and we have also heard that president zelensky says i happened. and we have also heard that president zelensky says he i that president zelensky says he wants more data, he wants access to information, intelligence information, intelligence information, which implies he is not being given it. are you surprised by that? l ll l, l being given it. are you surprised by that? l l, l, l that? yes and no. president zelensky is a bit of a — that? yes and no. president zelensky is a bit of a showman. _ that? yes and no. president zelensky is a bit of a showman. he _ that? yes and no. president zelensky is a bit of a showman. he has - that? yes and no. president zelensky is a bit of a showman. he has a i that? yes and no. president zelensky is a bit of a showman. he has a bit i is a bit of a showman. he has a bit of a background from the performing arts, that is why he is telling the public in ukraine what they would probably want to hear. but on the other hand, you would hope that, at this stage in the war, there are various channels of communication between mr zelensky and various officials in the west. we know that he has spoken to some of them today. and it is reasonable to expect that this kind of information was shared.

i'm just seeing reuters news agency reporting lines from a news conference from a general in america, saying this isjust a line, the probability of ukrainian military victory anytime soon is not high. maybe a political solution. that is a line we heard from him in the last week, saying that russia still has significant power inside ukraine. obviously western backers are saying it is up to ukraine to decide a good time to negotiate. do you see any signs of that? do decide a good time to negotiate. do you see any signs of that?— you see any signs of that? do not currently- — you see any signs of that? do not currently. after _ you see any signs of that? do not currently. after all _ you see any signs of that? do not currently. after all that _ you see any signs of that? do not currently. after all that russia i you see any signs of that? do not| currently. after all that russia has donein currently. after all that russia has done in ukraine, all the deaths that were caused by its attack, there is very little appetite both among officials in kyiv and the public at large within ukraine to sit down and talk to russia. the opinion i keep hearing time and again, what is there to talk about? territorial concessions, no.—

there to talk about? territorial concessions, no. does that include crimea? ukrainians _ concessions, no. does that include crimea? ukrainians keep _ concessions, no. does that include crimea? ukrainians keep saying i concessions, no. does that include i crimea? ukrainians keep saying that we are refusing _ crimea? ukrainians keep saying that we are refusing to _ crimea? ukrainians keep saying that we are refusing to give _ crimea? ukrainians keep saying that we are refusing to give up _ crimea? ukrainians keep saying that we are refusing to give up any i crimea? ukrainians keep saying that we are refusing to give up any part i we are refusing to give up any part of our territory. that is a bit of a change from the line we heard back in the early stages of the war, when zelensky himself said, you know, let's not talk about crimea now, we are trying to push the russians back to where they were on the 24th of february. that has changed. president zelensky says we are talking about survival, now we are talking about survival, now we are talking about survival, now we are talking about victory. so he is a bit more assertive now.- talking about victory. so he is a bit more assertive now. people will understand — bit more assertive now. people will understand that _ bit more assertive now. people will understand that because _ bit more assertive now. people will understand that because people i bit more assertive now. people will l understand that because people have died, so many people have suffered in ukraine. one can totally see how that emotion changes. but also, you know, we know that for example there is accusations of collaborators in kherson, in the border areas, people who would support russia taking

control of that land. is that where the donbas and the crimea, is that the donbas and the crimea, is that the location of where ultimately a settlement will have to take place? it is true that there is a significant number of people in those parts of ukraine who supported the arrival of russian troops. when i spoke to the ukrainian governor of one of the ukraine regions partly occupied by russia, the luhansk region, he said that, "ok, thousands of people seem to be leaving those parts of ukraine, fearing the advance of the ukrainian army. they are pro—russian, they fear that ukrainian is." when i asked him what he thinks about that, he said, "let them go, we need true patriots." he did not seem concerned about them weaving. what we might see in the future is this divide between who wants to stay and live under ukrainian rule and those who

actually welcomed russia and want to move to russia possibly. fiend actually welcomed russia and want to move to russia possibly.— move to russia possibly. and how big a iece of move to russia possibly. and how big a piece of territory, _ move to russia possibly. and how big a piece of territory, you _ move to russia possibly. and how big a piece of territory, you know, i move to russia possibly. and how big a piece of territory, you know, is - a piece of territory, you know, is pro—russian? it a piece of territory, you know, is pro-russian?— pro-russian? it is difficult to assess the — pro-russian? it is difficult to assess the sentiment - pro-russian? it is difficult to assess the sentiment in - pro-russian? it is difficult to - assess the sentiment in occupied parts of ukraine because carrying out a credible opinion poll is absolutely impossible. let's look at kherson, for example, the region that was recently retaken by ukraine. russian said that 87% of residents of that region voted to join russia in late september. went ukrainian troops arrived, i struggled to find those figures credible because so many local residents turned out to welcome ukrainian troops, to waive ukrainian flags in a sign of, this is what we want full stop flags in a sign of, this is what we want full sto— flags in a sign of, this is what we want full stop finally, there was a lot of firepower _

want full stop finally, there was a lot of firepower used _ want full stop finally, there was a lot of firepower used yesterday, i lot of firepower used yesterday, this missile strike, how much damage was done? it is this missile strike, how much damage was done? , , , u, was done? it is very significant. millions of _ was done? it is very significant. millions of people _ was done? it is very significant. millions of people were - was done? it is very significant. millions of people were left - was done? it is very significant. - millions of people were left without power. the previous such attack destroyed about one third of ukraine's energy grid. this one that happened yesterday possibly destroyed even more, so ukraine is struggling to survive the winter. we have heard again from this american briefing that is going on that the fighting might slow down a bit. people are braced, though, to go through the winter. the? people are braced, though, to go through the winter.— people are braced, though, to go through the winter. they are. it is difficult to find _ through the winter. they are. it is difficult to find in _ through the winter. they are. it is difficult to find in winter- through the winter. they are. it is difficult to find in winter ukraine. | difficult to find in winter ukraine. it is going to get really cold. but the site involved in this conflict might use it to their advantage. they are trained to wage war during the winter, as well.— the winter, as well. thank you very much forjoining — the winter, as well. thank you very much forjoining us. _ the winter, as well. thank you very much forjoining us. we _ the winter, as well. thank you very much forjoining us. we are - the winter, as well. thank you very l much forjoining us. we are bringing you a continued coverage and we did hearfrom jens you a continued coverage and we did hear from jens stoltenberg a little bit earlier in this bulletin will stop still saying that they support the initial polish and us assessment

that that