this is bbc news. the headlines... a second nurses�* strike is under way with picket lines across england, wales and northern ireland. unions say urgent care isn't affected, and call on the prime minister, to sit down to talks. he can bring their strike to a conclusion before the end of this week. he owes that to this profession. he owes it to every member of the public in the country, so let's do it right now. we member of the public in the country, so let's do it right now.— so let's do it right now. we are keen to talk. — so let's do it right now. we are keen to talk, we _ so let's do it right now. we are keen to talk, we are _ so let's do it right now. we are keen to talk, we are engaging | so let's do it right now. we are - keen to talk, we are engaging with the trade _ keen to talk, we are engaging with the trade unions. one pay, we have an independent process and we have accepted _ an independent process and we have accepted that in full and of course that comes on top of the actual prioritisation of the nhs last year. an article byjeremy clarkson about the duchess of sussex has

attracted over seventeen and a half thousand complaints. the press regulator ipso says that's more than any other in its history. a two—year—old boy is given ground—breaking surgery, using stem cells, to correct a heart defect. and the world cup arrives in buenos aires, as argentina's winning team flies home to a heroes' welcome. good afternoon. members of the royal college of nursing in many parts of england, wales, and northern ireland, are on strike. it's their second day of industrial action, in a dispute over pay and conditions. urgent care isn't affected.

the rcn says if there's no resolution before christmas, more strike dates will be announced for next year. the health secretary argues a 19% pay rise for nurses is unaffordable. meanwhile more talks are due to take place today, ahead of a strike by ambulance workers tomorrow. and the nhs confederation says it has reached the stage that its leaders cannot guarantee patients safety as the current strikes unfold. our correspondent, sanchia berg, has more details. nurses have been out on picket lines again this morning. members of the royal college of nursing, they say they are striking for the sake of the nhs and for its future. enough is enough! they say without however pay, they cannot do theirjob properly.

i love my patients, ijust wish i could care for them as i want to, rather than trying to cut myself into four pieces every shift. this strike affects the same areas as last week. in northern ireland at least 3200 appointments were postponed both in hospitals and the community. in england the strike only affected one in four trusts and 16,000 hospital appointments did not happen. the welsh government says there was a significant impact with at least 2000 hospital procedures postponed. in scotland there was no disruption as nurses have posed industrial action to consider a new pay offer. the rcn can escalate this action to affect more areas and potentially last for months but they say they want to sit down with the government as soon as possible.

i won't dig in if won't dig in they need to find a room and bring me into it. i am looking for that room every single hour of the day. the nurses asked for a pay rise of i9%, the higher measure of inflation plus 5% but the government says that is not affordable and in any case, they should not be negotiated directly with them. and as the deadlock continues the nhs faces worse disruption tomorrow. directly with them. and as the deadlock continues the nhs faces worse disruption tomorrow. paramedics are holding a national strike. ambulances will still respond to calls known as category one calls, where there is an immediate threat to life, for instance when someone has stopped breathing but chest pain, for instance, might be category two and what happens depends on where you are. in parliament this morning the gmb union says its members had agreed with most trusts what they recover. life and limb cover will be provided. the last thing our members want to do is put patients in harms way but the reason we have ended up

in a position of dispute now is because they feel they are prevented from delivering patient care. nhs leaders are now so concerned they are writing to the prime minister calling on the government and unions to bring a swift end to the dispute. we never want to alarm people but we have reached the stage where our leaders feel it is necessary to say that they cannot guarantee patient safety. they cannot avoid risks. as these strikes unfold. they urged the prime minister to be prepared to negotiate about pay. up to this point, ministers have refused to do that. we are keen to talk of engaging with the trade unions. on pay we have an independent process and we have accepted that info. government ministers are due to meet the unions later today.

sanchia berg, bbc news. let's cross live now to out reporter howard johnson who's at st mary's hospital in paddington, central london. what have nurses been saying to you so far today? you what have nurses been saying to you so far today?— so far today? you might be able to hear it is a — so far today? you might be able to hear it is a christmas _ so far today? you might be able to hear it is a christmas atmosphere l hear it is a christmas atmosphere here but there is a serious message with people saying they are at breaking point with the conditions and the pay. they say they have nothing to lose, given the fact that they have so far not heard back from they have so far not heard back from the government. you can see this sign, it sums up their feelings, freezing out here because we are burnt out in there. and they are singing a song by wham! with different lyrics. the singing a song by wham! with different lyrics.— different lyrics. the very last ear, different lyrics. the very last year. we _ different lyrics. the very last year, we were _ different lyrics. the very last year, we were burnt - different lyrics. the very last year, we were burnt away. l different lyrics. the very last i year, we were burnt away. this different lyrics. the very last - year, we were burnt away. this year, to save _ year, we were burnt away. this year, to save on _ year, we were burnt away. this year, to save on tears, we are striking for better— to save on tears, we are striking

for better pay. to save on tears, we are striking for better pay-— for better pay. you are a senior nurse in the — for better pay. you are a senior nurse in the hospital. _ for better pay. you are a senior nurse in the hospital. the - nurse in the hospital. the government say this is anna —— unreasonable demand, they cannot afford it. , .., unreasonable demand, they cannot afford it. , ., ' ., unreasonable demand, they cannot afford it. , ., , ., ., afford it. they can afford it and the are afford it. they can afford it and they are relying _ afford it. they can afford it and they are relying on _ afford it. they can afford it and they are relying on our- afford it. they can afford it and they are relying on our good i afford it. they can afford it and - they are relying on our good nature to stop _ they are relying on our good nature to stop striking, they want us to go back in— to stop striking, they want us to go back in and — to stop striking, they want us to go back in and look after the patients but we _ back in and look after the patients but we are — back in and look after the patients but we are doing that daily without this pay— but we are doing that daily without this pay increase and everything has been affected because we are doing twice the _ been affected because we are doing twice the amount of work because we have no— twice the amount of work because we have no staff. it is twice the amount of work because we have no staff-— have no staff. it is unreasonable. some of your _ have no staff. it is unreasonable. some of your colleagues - have no staff. it is unreasonable. some of your colleagues say - have no staff. it is unreasonable. i some of your colleagues say they have no staff. it is unreasonable. - some of your colleagues say they are at breaking point and they have nothing to lose now. yesterday, we had three staff _ nothing to lose now. yesterday, we had three staff on _ nothing to lose now. yesterday, we had three staff on wards, _ nothing to lose now. yesterday, we had three staff on wards, we - nothing to lose now. yesterday, we had three staff on wards, we had i nothing to lose now. yesterday, wei had three staff on wards, we had to take some — had three staff on wards, we had to take some from other wards and it is hard _ take some from other wards and it is hard there — take some from other wards and it is hard there is— take some from other wards and it is hard. there is no movement of patients — hard. there is no movement of patients. we have no staff, they are overworked — patients. we have no staff, they are overworked and underpaid and they are tired _ overworked and underpaid and they are tired and stressed. it overworked and underpaid and they are tired and stressed.— are tired and stressed. it seems like both sides _ are tired and stressed. it seems like both sides are _ are tired and stressed. it seems like both sides are de _ are tired and stressed. it seems like both sides are de gea - are tired and stressed. it seems like both sides are de gea now. | are tired and stressed. it seems - like both sides are de gea now. this could potentially go on for months. what is your message to the prime minister, ready sooner, given he has

said he is willing to talk about pay, he will not budge on —— rishi sunak. if pay, he will not budge on -- rishi sunak. ., , ., sunak. if doctors come to the hos - ital sunak. if doctors come to the hospital and... _ sunak. if doctors come to the hospital and... we _ sunak. if doctors come to the hospital and... we will - sunak. if doctors come to the hospital and... we will strike | sunak. if doctors come to the - hospital and... we will strike more. this picket — hospital and... we will strike more. this picket line is going to be here until atm. they are halfway through their strike action and there is currently a march on downing street when nurses will deliver their message to 10 downing street. thank ou ve message to 10 downing street. thank you very much- _ 0ur wales correspondent, tomos morgan, has been giving us the latest from cardiff. there are more people today here in cardiff outside the university hospital of wales than there was on thursday, possibly because of the cold weather but possibly also because there seems to be more of an appetite to come out and show the reason why they are striking. i have spoken to so many nurses about the reason they have come out,

and melissa, who heads up the epilepsy unit here, she says she has advertised a senior staffjob, she would have got around 20 applicants usually but this yearjust one person, just one example of the other issue is why people are striking which is about staffing numbers, the reason so many people are leaving the profession and there are gaps in the rota meaning as the nurses say, the staff to patient ratio is not safe any more. of course we know the ambulance strike takes place tomorrow and in wales it will be a 24—hour strike starting at 7p pm this evening, the same time as this finishes. and our ireland correspondent, chris page, gave us an update from belfast. this is the third health service strike in northern ireland - in just over one week. eight days ago members are three other unions staged a 24—hour- walk—out including some nursesl and today we have the second 12

hour strike by members - of the royal college of nursing. although this is part of the first| ever uk wide strike by the rcn, members of the union in this part of the uk have been on strike - before, three years ago, for similar reasons as for the strike today. - northern ireland currently has - the longest hospital waiting times in the uk by far and the staffing shortages that the unions - are talking about - particularly acute here. there is an added level- of complexity and uncertainty in that northern ireland - is currently without a devolved government, there has not been a fully functioning stormont - executive since february- because of and senior officials in the civil service have told the bbc more strike actionl in the new year could have | catastrophic consequences. let's talk to our chief political correspondent, nick eardley.

you are trying to keep up with all of this. some talks this afternoon that we have nurses, ambulance workers and 999 workers, any suggestion, any hints that there could be any wiggle room from the government, any changes? hat if could be any wiggle room from the government, any changes? not if you take what ministers _ government, any changes? not if you take what ministers are _ government, any changes? not if you take what ministers are saying - government, any changes? not if you take what ministers are saying at - take what ministers are saying at face value. every time that a minister comes out to talk about this issue, they say the same thing, we have accepted the pay review body recommendations and the issue of pay is effectively settled. but that leaves them completely at loggerheads with the unions, who are saying for the nurses are possibly strikes in england, wales and northern ireland and the ambulance strikers tomorrow in england and wales, you have to budge on pay or we are not going to back down, so at the moment, it is a stalemate and it is going to be a question i think of who blinks first. will that be the government? the truth is, ministers have ruled out some things but not

everything, there are two potential possible ways out, one would be a one—off payment to people in the nhs, to compensate them for the rising cost of living, the other is possibly looking at a slightly higher settlement for the next pay deal. but neither of those things are on the table at the moment. the latter, looking at next year, is not accepted by the unions, so it is far from clear that there is a way out at the moment. i have been chatting to a lot of mps about this and i think there is a growing unease about this in the conservative party, not widespread yet, not open rebellion like we got used to earlier this year with conservative mps, but there are some publicly, five publicly, and more privately, who are saying they do think the government will ultimately have to compromise on this to stop the strikes in the health service going on and on and on. there are other conservative mps by the way that say

if rishi sunak was to budge now, he would just look totally weak and it would just look totally weak and it would embolden other unions to take strike action. but it is a difficult situation at the moment and the government is going to face pressure to answer the question of how it keeps the health service on track really, if these strikes are continuing.— really, if these strikes are continuin-. , ., , , continuing. yes, that is interesting because any _ continuing. yes, that is interesting because any next _ continuing. yes, that is interesting because any next hour, _ continuing. yes, that is interesting because any next hour, we - continuing. yes, that is interesting because any next hour, we have i continuing. yes, that is interesting l because any next hour, we have got the prime minister in front of the liaison committee, the big committee at parliament for the first time, and that whole topic of strikes is going to come up and i am interested, all those conversations you are having and talking about, do some conservative mps who are feeling this quiet, is there a distinction for them between the nhs strikes, health—related strikes, versus everything else, the train strikes... to the —— do they see the health position is different to other demands because two yes, you have hit the nail on the head there.

because what they fear is on some strikes, maybe they would suggest, postal workers, train drivers, the railways, there is maybe less public support. they think that there is significant public support for nurses and for ambulance drivers and paramedics, given everything that went on in the pandemic. i think there is a differentiation being made in westminster, certainly among conservative mps privately about those two things. that may mean the government will have to settle in some way when it comes to health workers will when i was speaking to this morning said that accolade, the head of the royal college of nursing, had come over quite reasonable on the radio this morning when she said she was prepared to move if the government was prepared to move. they would look at that and say, that leaves the government in a difficult position actually because when it comes to pay, the government

is not moving. there is definitely a different perception when it comes to health workers. there is maybe a bit more of a hardened feeling when it comes to the rail strikes, what is going on with royal mail as well, also worth pointing out it is a complicated picture. the royal mail strikes and the rmt strikes on the railways are not being directly negotiated by the government, they are —— being negotiated by employers, sometimes with some government facilitation, so it is a slightly different pressure on the government there. but it adds into this picture that i think most people are feeling disruption, maybe your christmas cards have not arrived on time, you cannot get a train on the right date, you have had an appointment at hospital cancel, you are worried about ambulances not showing up tomorrow. people are feeling that disruption in the public service and they are turning round and wondering what can the government do to try and end it?

yes, we will talk again later. thank you for now. and you can find out if nurses are striking in your area by going to the bbc news website. that is the page to go to. you can put in your local area. there are some parts of the uk that are not seeing nurses strikes. that is a useful age. seeing nurses strikes. that is a usefulage. —— page. more background information and lots of lists of who is striking, where and when. and a new train drivers�* strike date has been announced by the union, aslef union. it's forjanuary 5th, and comes in between the rmt rail strikes on the 3rd, 4th and the 6th and 7th.

that date of the fifth, as you see, sandwiched between those two dates. we will keep an eye on all things political because we mentioned rishi sunak in front of the liaison committee in parliament, that is due around three o'clock. we will have more for you than on that. we will now move away from politics. in what could be the last trial into nazi—era crimes in germany, a 97—year—old woman has been given a two—year suspended sentence, for complicity in the holocaust. irmgard furchner, had worked as a secretary at a concentration camp, in what is now poland. prosecutors argued that by handling the camp commandant�*s correspondence, furchner facilitated an operation

that killed 65,000 people. here's our diplomatic correspondent, caroline hawley. wheeled in to hear the verdict against her in what could be one of the very last holocaust trials. irmgard furchner, herface blurred by order of the court, a blanket over her lap. almost eight decades ago she was a typist in the camp, a secretary to the commandant. thejudge rejected her lawyer's argument that she didn't know about the killings and ruled she was complicit in the murder of more than 10,000 people. in all, over the course of the second world war an estimated 65,000 prisoners died in the stutthof camp in nazi occupied poland in horrific circumstances. they were killed in its gas chamber, hanged and shot or succumbed to starvation and disease. irmgard furchner was only 18 and 19 at the time. she was tried in a special juvenile court, which, together with her age now, presumably accounts for the leniency of the sentence. the now 97—year—old had tried to evade justice,

calling a cab from her care home at the start of the trial and going on the run before she was arrested. earlier this month, after a0 days of silence, she told the court she was sorry for what had happened and regretted being in the camp. but the prosecutor said her secretarial work had ensured the smooth running of the nazi machine there. modern germany is still grappling with the darkness of its past, the public prosecutor said this was a trial of outstanding historical importance, which serves as a record. it is also a message and a warning that complicity is a crime and the age of the perpetrator no impediment to the pursuit of justice. caroline hawley, bbc news. ukraine's president, volodymyr zelensky, has made an unannounced visit to the eastern city of bakhmut, which has seen intense fighting against russian forces. pictures on ukrainian television, show him meeting troops and handing out awards to soldiers.

for months, bakhmut has been a key target for russia in the donetsk region, and has been partially destroyed. with no end in sight to the war in ukraine, cities and towns across russia are scaling back on their new year celebrations, cancelling large—scale concerts and firework displays. at the same time the russian authorities are using this festive season to promote patriotism and to glorify the armed forces. steve rosenberg reports for the siberian city of chita. at first glance, siberia is a world away from the war in ukraine. but normality is an illusion, because war is changing russia. all of russia. pushing the country in a darker direction. in chita, they're preparing for the ice festival. no santas with reindeers.

this year, it's soldiers with kalashnikovs, a whole army of them. cold war to glorify the hot war russia's waging in ukraine. "we're fighting a war," tatyana says. "so it's right to have these ice soldiers here." ludmilla agrees. "we're defending our country from nazis," she tells me. "russia's being attacked on all fronts, including with lg bt propaganda. we reject these alien values." russians never used to say these kind of things to me. kremlin messaging has convinced many here that russia's in an existential battle with the west. when it's 26 degrees below zero, as it is now, it's difficult to speak, let alone to think. and in many ways, the pro—kremlin

propaganda that russians are exposed to in the state media here acts like —26. it prevents many people from thinking rationally about what is happening here, and why. comfort and joy are in short supply. but there's patriotism aplenty. from siberian snowmen flying the flag to the letter z, the symbol of the military operation. and chita tv showed schoolchildren writing letters — not to father christmas, but to russian troops in ukraine. but some russians see patriotism differently. ivan losev is against the war. 0n social media recently, he shared a dream he'd had in which he met president zelensky of ukraine. for that post and others, he was taken to court and fined for discrediting the russian army. translation: the closer you get

to the downfall of an empire, - the more stupid the laws become. patriotism is loving your country, but criticising it to bring change. patriotism is wanting to make your own city better so that people want to live there, and live well. but russia's patriotism is about bombing ukraine to pieces. 0ur leaders don't want our country to be better. theyjust want people in another country to live worse. a year that changed russia, and the world is nearing its end. one thing russians won't be celebrating is peace on earth. steve rosenberg, bbc news, siberia. the disgraced hollywood producer, harvey weinsteen, has been found guilty of rape, in los angeles. he was also convicted of two counts of sexual assault

against the same woman, but the jury was unable to reach verdicts in the cases of two others. the 70—year—old is already serving a prison term, after being found guilty of rape and sexual assault in new york, in 2020. a few months ago, we reported on the neglect of disabled children in ukraine. the team has been following their plight throughout the war and have now travelled to poland, which took in more than a quarter of a million refugees with disabilities. after 20 years of being denied an education, this is the joy of learning.

and with it comes parental pride. he loves going to school. he wakes up and he asks, will he go to school? and he runs to the door, stands there and waits. now roman's day starts with new purpose. he couldn't go to school in ukraine, but as a refugee in poland, he is being shown what is possible. this is an opportunity he never had in ukraine. yes. it's specialfor him, and i wonder why a child like roman went not to school in ukraine. translation: we were told he wasn't teachable, that there was no school for him. but now look at him, developing, thriving, receiving one—on—one support and the sort of therapy

he never had back home. and while roman's at school, there is a respite for his family, time for his parents and his sisters too. but the urge to go back to ukraine is posing the toughest of dilemmas. translation: 0ur soul longs to go home, while the brain feels something different. we don't know how we will decide on all that. for the moment, it is better here. there is no dilemma for alexey�*s mum. she's desperate to get her boy back home. translation: i love ukraine, because i gave birth

to my children there, and alexey�*s health is unstable, so should something happen, i would want it to happen in ukraine. when exactly it will happen, i don't know. but every month sees him getting worse. can you tell me why that is important, whether matters are so much, that alexey is where you want him to be? because he was born there. while they wait, they are supported by patchwork, an organisation set up by these mums who have sown this community together. they all left ukraine long before the invasion to improve the lives of their own children. now, they are improving the lives of others like roman. he absolutely lights up in the water. he is getting rid of his limitations and he feels

absolutely free in the water. translation: he has become less nervous. he has become better. he may not have changed intellectually, but he is different. i'm not a psychologist, but my boy has changed. these families are hearing the call of home grow louder, but disability complicates an already impossible choice. and at its heart is a mother's love for her country, but first for her son. danjohnson, bbc news, in poland. and for more on that story, you can

watch the programme, disabled and displaced, fleeing ukraine available now on bbc iplayer. we have much more coming up in the next half an hour. a busy afternoon. now it's time for a look at the weather with chris fawkes. hello. the afternoon is looking brighter with lots of sunshine for many of you but it is a day where we will see showers, most of the showers across the north—west of scotland but some in northern ireland and the north—west of england and. across central and eastern england, eastern scotland, should stay dry. 1a degrees in london. 0n the mild side. overnight, a zone of rain across england and wales pushing eastwards. showers feed again across scotland and northern ireland as well. a frost free night foremost with temperatures between two and 6

degrees. tomorrow, this rain clearing away quickly. sunshine follows. but we will continue to see showers feeding in for both northern ireland and scotland as well. temperatures still on the mild side, 90 guys in glasgow, around 11 in london. goodbye. hello, this is bbc news. the headlines: a second nurses�* strike is underway with picket lines across england and wales, and it�*s a third strike in northern ireland. unions say urgent care isn�*t affected, and have called on the prime minister to sit down for talks. a 2 year old boy has been given ground—breaking surgery using stem cells — to correct a heart defect. a column in the sun newspaper written byjeremy clarkson about the duchess of sussex has attracted more than

17,500 complaints. the press regulator ipso says that�*s more complaints than any other article in its history. a study has found trees lock away twice as much carbon as previously thought — showing their importance in fighting climate change. the world cup has arrived in argentina — lionel messi and team have returned to rapturous crowds in buenos aires. sport now and a full round up from the bbc sport centre. good afternoon. england have cruised to victory in the third and final test against pakistan in karachi winning by 8 wickets.

it�*s the ninth win in ten for the side revitalised under the leadership of new coach brendon mccullum and captain ben stokes. jo wilson reports: final steps, the concluding runs of england�*s extraordinary year. here it was again, the invention and the confidence which was too much for pakistan in this series. all led by ben stokes — always positive, always pushing. 38 minutes of tuesday morning, that�*s all england needed to reach their target. 82 not out for ben duckett, just one of england�*s successes on this tour, there with his captain. and here�*s the context — pakistan had never lost a series 3—0 on home soil before. they have now. the way in which we speak and i�*ve spoken, obviously, since i�*ve done this role, is almostjust, you know, not worrying about the result, just going out, playing, expressing ourselves as a team and trying to give ourselves the best chance of winning and always thinking like that. so, yeah, i guess, you know,

winning 3—0 proves that it can work on the odd occasion. well, it�*s almost every occasion. this trophy is substantial. the change in england�*s team is phenomenal. they began this year in australia, remember, absolutely humbled in defeat. they finished the year with nine test victories since the change in captain, coach, mentality. that�*s 18 year—old rehan ahmed in the centre of this team. winners represents the present and, with genuine ambition, the future. joe wilson, bbc news. world cup champions argentina have returned to buenos aires to a heroes�* reception following their victory over france in sunday�*s final. led by lionel messi, the squad arrived back in the early hours of the morning to streets already lined with thousands of cheering fans. and those scenes have been continuing as the country celebrates its first

world cup triumph since 1986. and world cup triumph since 1986. its third in total. th national and its third in total. they have a national bank holiday to celebrate in argentina. england women�*s football manager sarina wiegman says the "whole world has changed around her" after an incredible year which saw the lionesses win the euros in the summer. not only did the lionesses win the euros in england this summer but they have gone the whole past 12 months unbeaten, but she says there�*s more to come. we will stay grounded. we still have to improve a couple of things. if we lose once, it is not the end of the world, it is part of top sports. the england defender alex greenwood has signed a contract extention at manchester city — committing herfuture to the club until 2026. the 29 year old joined city from lyon in 2020. she came on as a substitute for the lionesses when they beat germany in that euro 2022 final injuly. she said it�*s an exciting

time to be at city. and a shortlist of six contenders has been announced for the 2022 bbc sports personality of the year award. head over to the bbc sport website for more details. the nominees are gymnast jessica gadirova, footballer beth mead, curling�*s eve muirhead, cricketer ben stokes, snooker player ronnie 0�*sullivan and athlete jake wightman. voting will be open during the show on bbc one tomorrow night. that will be an interesting vote! we are going to stay with some of those fantastic scenes in argentina. thousands of ecstatic argentina fans have welcomed home their world cup winning

footballers — after their victory over france in the final in qatar. team captain lionel messi was the first player to emerge from the plane — holding the trophy. how many people are out on the streets? just extraordinary. i�*m joined now by matias zibell garcia from bbc mundo. she is an argentinian journalist based in london. hundreds of thousands? i based in london. hundreds of thousands?— based in london. hundreds of thousands? ., ., ,, ., thousands? i would not say less than a million! what _ thousands? i would not say less than a million! what would _ thousands? i would not say less than a million! what would you _ thousands? i would not say less than a million! what would you give - thousands? i would not say less than a million! what would you give it - thousands? i would not say less than a million! what would you give it to l a million! what would you give it to be there right _ a million! what would you give it to be there right now? _ a million! what would you give it to be there right now? it _ a million! what would you give it to be there right now? it is _ a million! what would you give it to be there right now? it is terrible i be there right now? it is terrible to be far away — be there right now? it is terrible to be far away but _ be there right now? it is terrible to be far away but my _ be there right now? it is terrible to be far away but my friends i be there right now? it is terrible i to be far away but my friends have been posting on facebook, it is like the whole country is in love. it is an incredible story. we the whole country is in love. it is an incredible story.— the whole country is in love. it is an incredible story. we saw some of the scenes immediately _ an incredible story. we saw some of the scenes immediately after- an incredible story. we saw some of the scenes immediately after the i the scenes immediately after the match, of course, but is it a public holiday?

match, of course, but is it a public hohda ? match, of course, but is it a public holida ? , , match, of course, but is it a public hohda ? , , . match, of course, but is it a public holida ? , , . ., holiday? the president decided that today should _ holiday? the president decided that today should be _ holiday? the president decided that today should be a _ holiday? the president decided that today should be a public _ holiday? the president decided that today should be a public holiday - holiday? the president decided that today should be a public holiday so| today should be a public holiday so we do not have school, and it is the first time we have a world cup in our summer. the weather is perfect. the conditions are perfect. people are almost preparing for christmas so it is an incredible party. a great december for us. did people think it would — great december for us. did people think it would reach _ great december for us. did people think it would reach this _ great december for us. did people think it would reach this point? i great december for us. did people | think it would reach this point? how much optimism was there genuinely during the actual tournament? did people think they would be witnessing today? look at that shot, my goodness. witnessing today? look at that shot, my goodness-— witnessing today? look at that shot, my goodness. people were dreaming about it. people _ my goodness. people were dreaming about it. people weren't _ my goodness. people were dreaming about it. people weren't really - about it. people weren�*t really wishing because we knew it was the last world cup for lionel messi —— people were. we had to take the last chance. i cannot imagine what will happen with our mood if we have lost on sunday. it would have been very

sober. he on sunday. it would have been very sober. , ., ,, on sunday. it would have been very sober. , ., , ., ., sober. he is a rock star for life, isn't it? he _ sober. he is a rock star for life, isn't it? he is, _ sober. he is a rock star for life, isn't it? he is, he _ sober. he is a rock star for life, isn't it? he is, he is— sober. he is a rock star for life, isn't it? he is, he is some - sober. he is a rock star for life, isn't it? he is, he is some kind| sober. he is a rock star for life, l isn't it? he is, he is some kind of god. we isn't it? he is, he is some kind of god- we lost _ isn't it? he is, he is some kind of god. we lost diego _ isn't it? he is, he is some kind of god. we lost diego maradona - isn't it? he is, he is some kind of| god. we lost diego maradona two years ago, he was a godlike figure, but now we have another one. he was su er but now we have another one. he was super famous — but now we have another one. he was super famous already _ but now we have another one. he was super famous already but _ but now we have another one. he was super famous already but what - but now we have another one. he was super famous already but what does l super famous already but what does that mean for him now? i know it is a whole team but in terms of messi, what does it mean?— a whole team but in terms of messi, what does it mean? even the team is more happy — what does it mean? even the team is more happy for _ what does it mean? even the team is more happy for him _ what does it mean? even the team is more happy for him than _ what does it mean? even the team is more happy for him than for - what does it mean? even the team is more happy for him than for anybody | more happy for him than for anybody else. this is a world cup for lionel messi. we have a really nice team and an incredible story with our coach, just 44, lionel scaloni, and we have young players, but this is the world cup for lionel messi and it will be remembered of the world cup for lionel messi. haifa it will be remembered of the world cup for lionel messi.— cup for lionel messi. how long will the -a cup for lionel messi. how long will the party so _ cup for lionel messi. how long will the party so on? — cup for lionel messi. how long will the party go on? the _ cup for lionel messi. how long will the party go on? the whole - cup for lionel messi. how long will the party go on? the whole day i cup for lionel messi. how long will| the party go on? the whole day and niuht. the party go on? the whole day and night- until— the party go on? the whole day and night. until christmas! _ the party go on? the whole day and night. until christmas! laughter.

night. until christmas! laughter it is night. until christmas! laughter it is glorious- _ night. until christmas! laughter it is glorious. is _ night. until christmas! laughter it is glorious. is this _ night. until christmas! laughter it is glorious. is this the _ night. until christmas! laughter it is glorious. is this the team - it is glorious. is this the team bus? i thought this was not happening for another hour. thea;r happening for another hour. they climb the bus _ happening for another hour. they climb the bus when _ happening for another hour. tue: climb the bus when they happening for another hour. tte: climb the bus when they arrived happening for another hour. t"t2 climb the bus when they arrived at the airport at 223 in the morning and people were gathered outside the airport in the middle of the night. they moved from the airport to the centre of the city and they took two hours because all the people that were there gathering to wait for them, and now they are starting the main activity of the day. this them, and now they are starting the main activity of the day.— main activity of the day. this is a arade, main activity of the day. this is a parade. very _ main activity of the day. this is a parade, very slow— main activity of the day. this is a parade, very slow parade - main activity of the day. this is a parade, very slow parade the - parade, very slow parade the streets. it will be a crawl. tt parade, very slow parade the streets. it will be a crawl. if you can imagine _ streets. it will be a crawl. if you can imagine in _ streets. it will be a crawl. if you can imagine in the _ streets. it will be a crawl. if you can imagine in the middle - streets. it will be a crawl. if you can imagine in the middle of. streets. it will be a crawl. if you| can imagine in the middle of the night they took two hours to get downtown and now they have to go around downtown, i cannot imagine. 0h! around downtown, i cannot imagine. oh! my heart breaks for you that you are not there. i�*m feeling bad. t

are not there. i'm feeling bad. i wanted to be there, obviously, are not there. i'm feeling bad. t wanted to be there, obviously, but the happiness i have been feeling for the last couple of days, i�*m so happy, even being here, for me and my family and friends there, it is like, i�*m not there, but! my family and friends there, it is like, i�*m not there, but i could not have imagined if we had lost against france. so considering this nightmare, now i�*m really happy. what is it like to be an argentinian in london? are people congratulating you? in london? are people congratulating ou? , , ., , in london? are people congratulating ou? , ., ., you? yes, usually people in london are really friendly. _ you? yes, usually people in london are really friendly. the _ you? yes, usually people in london are really friendly. the last - you? yes, usually people in london are really friendly. the last few - are really friendly. the last few days, people from latin america, they are happy for us, and people from the bangladeshi service and the arabic service, they are saying, congratulations, it is great to be here. �* ., , here. good, i'm glad it is, basking in the reflected _ here. good, i'm glad it is, basking in the reflected glory. _ here. good, i'm glad it is, basking in the reflected glory. thanks - here. good, i'm glad it is, basking in the reflected glory. thanks for i in the reflected glory. thanks for joining us. i will let you go and

celebrate tonight and enjoy the party even though you are not there. thank you very much. argentinian journalist about living in london, and enjoying those scenes back home, even though he is not there. the party continues in argentina as you would expect. we will have more coverage from there over the next couple of hours. lots of politics around this afternoon. we will be at the liaison committee at around three o�*clock with the prime minister talking to senior politicians westminster, on a day of many strikes, as well. we are going to drop one other story which really has been hotly debated and huge amount of anger in the last couple of days. jeremy clarkson�*s sun newspaper column, in which he said he "hated" the duchess of sussex, has become the independent press standards organisation�*s most complained—about article,

the regulator has said. the piece, which was removed from the sun�*s website on monday at clarkson�*s request, had received more than 17,500 complaints as of 9am today. jeremy clarkson himself issued a statement yesterday. he said various things in the statement but he did not actually say sorry. the number of complaints to ipsos is continuing to rise. this morning, the conservative mp and chair of the women and equalities select committee, caroline nokes, wrote to the editor of the sun, victoria newton, expressing her condemnation forjeremy clarkson�*s piece, demanding action be taken against clarkson, the immediate issue of an apology to meghan markle, and assurance that articles like this can never

be published again. the letter was signed by 65 other mps across political parties. i�*m glad to say carolinejoins me now. can you explain what you laid out in the letter and what you want to see done about this? t the letter and what you want to see done about this?— done about this? i wrote with a u-rou done about this? i wrote with a a-rou of done about this? i wrote with a group of cross-party _ done about this? i wrote with a group of cross-party mps - done about this? i wrote with a group of cross-party mps from | done about this? i wrote with a i group of cross-party mps from all group of cross—party mps from all parties represented in parliament, to the editor of, remonstrating with her about the language used by jeremy clarkson, that it had gone through processes, editorial processes, that still saw it published, when it was clearly extremely misogynistic. the comments that advocated meghan markle be paraded through every town and land naked was just horrific, positively medieval, and i would have thought the sun could have done better than that. t the sun could have done better than that. . , ., that. i referenced the statement that. i referenced the statement that he released _ that. i referenced the statement that he released yesterday - that. i referenced the statement| that he released yesterday where that. i referenced the statement - that he released yesterday where he said he would rather put his —— he had rather put his foot in it. he was making a clumsy reference to a scene in game of thrones, he said.

in practical terms would you like to see done? he wrote this article but there were people at the top of that newspaper who also took the decision to publish it, but they could have said no, we are not printing it, but they printed it anyway, so where does the blame lie for you? first and foremost _ does the blame lie for you? first and foremost it _ and foremost it lies withjeremy clarkson and he should never have used that language and he should have been sufficiently courteous to realise he needed to apologise properly and not some mealy—mouthed half baked i understand i have caused hurt. he has been offensive and he needs to apologise so that would be an excellent first step. the editorial team at should issue a formal apology to the duchess of sussex and i�*m pleased that the article has been taken down —— the editorial team at the sun. but we need to know what measures the

newspapers going to put in place to stop this from happening again. that is the critical thing. why should a national newspaper think it is ok to publish misogynistic comments? needs to reassure people that we will not see a repeat of that.— to reassure people that we will not see a repeat of that. have you had a rel from see a repeat of that. have you had a reply from the _ see a repeat of that. have you had a reply from the sun _ see a repeat of that. have you had a reply from the sun to _ see a repeat of that. have you had a reply from the sun to your - see a repeat of that. have you had a reply from the sun to your letter? l reply from the sun to your letter? no, but it only went this morning and i would not expect to have had a reply by now. i hope they do reply and that they have the courtesy to issue a response and also to think carefully about what action they can take and what better processes they can put in place in their editorial systems to make sure this doesn�*t happen. that is the thing we want to see. yes, we want an apology from jeremy clarkson but we want the sun newspaper to recognise that it is published something which is just offensive. published something which is 'ust offensive. ., ., ., ., , offensive. you are not the only erson offensive. you are not the only person to _ offensive. you are not the only person to use _ offensive. you are not the only person to use the _ offensive. you are not the only person to use the word - offensive. you are not the only l person to use the word misogyny offensive. you are not the only - person to use the word misogyny in relation to this article since it

went up on friday. you are a chair of the women and equalities committee. how dispiriting is it that the sun is edited by a woman? t that the sun is edited by a woman? i would like to thing a mail that the sun is edited by a woman? t would like to thing a mail newspaper editor would have picked up on this and i do not know how this has happened. the checks and balances exist and there will be an editorial process that would have looked at this, so i don�*t attribute personal blame according to gender on anyone who has been involved in these decisions but ijust want who has been involved in these decisions but i just want to see them do better in future. the thing thatis them do better in future. the thing that is dispiriting for me is that it was only a few months ago, my select committee had this kind of conversation about a different incident in regards to a female politician, and again there is a very defensive stance, newspapers are slow to recognise misogyny when they are publishing it and they need to be better at that. we they are publishing it and they need to be better at that.— to be better at that. we are going to be better at that. we are going to talk more _ to be better at that. we are going to talk more about _ to be better at that. we are going to talk more about the _ to be better at that. we are going to talk more about the culture - to be better at that. we are going | to talk more about the culture and

the language around this in a moment with my next guest but i�*m interested in your thoughts on what this says more broadly, what message does it send out? an article written in that time, what message does it send out to younger generations? tt send out to younger generations? tt sends out a message that we have not made progress and that it is still 0k to denigrate women. anybody who is familiar with the game of thrones and the scenes when the character was paraded through the city with things being thrown at her, that felt medieval and it was about ritual humiliation and the shaming of a woman. to be quite frank i thought we had moved on from that. the last few days demonstrate and indeed some of the commentary that i am getting in my inbox demonstrates that we have not, and thatjust spurs people like me to double down on our efforts to stamp out misogyny

when we see it and to make sure that complaints go in whether it is to broadcasters, newspaper publishers, to make sure that we are sending out a strong message to the women of the uk that we are not going to tolerate it. ., ., ., ~ , uk that we are not going to tolerate it. caroline nokes, thanks for “oininr it. caroline nokes, thanks for joining us- — it. caroline nokes, thanks for joining us. conservative - it. caroline nokes, thanks for joining us. conservative mp, | it. caroline nokes, thanks for. joining us. conservative mp, of course, chair of the women and equalities committee. joining me now is hera hussain, founder of chayn — a global nonprofit that campaigns against gender based violence. thanks forjoining us. a huge number of complaints to the press standards body, we know, so far, so your thoughts first of all on this article and the fact it was published and what it says? t article and the fact it was published and what it says? i think it sa s published and what it says? i think it says everything _ published and what it says? i think it says everything that _ published and what it says? i think it says everything that we - published and what it says? i think it says everything that we need - published and what it says? i think it says everything that we need to | it says everything that we need to know about the state of misogyny in this country, and the fact that jeremy clarkson, a man with a substantial following and a considerable time in print and

broadcast media, he felt it was ok to publish these misogynistic and racist words about meghan markle who has just come out with a documentary about the racist abuse that she suffered and the consequences of that on her mental health and just what kind of message we are sending to women and women of colour in this country, it isjust to women and women of colour in this country, it is just astounding. am to women and women of colour in this country, it isjust astounding. am i surprised that published it? no, because they have a record of publishing racist and sexist pieces and i think this is why we need to recognise that misogyny is a hate crime, this is hate speech, we would not tolerate this from any newspaper of record if it was about anti—semitism or other kinds of racism, but this is the kind of public discourse, the level of public discourse, the level of public discourse, the level of public discourse we have come to,

and it is really shameful that we are talking about this but i am glad that people have complained and that gives me hope. i�*m glad to hear that caroline nokes sent that letter this morning but i think in everything that was in the latter, the last line was most important, which was asking the sun about the accountability, because we rely on broadcasters and media and they have a lot of trust to give accurate information and opinion pieces are supposed to advance conversations and present a different viewpoint but this hateful speech did none of that. yet it was allowed to be published and even the retraction that has been published says nothing about the sun considering the fact that they published it in the first place, so where is the accountability? there isn�*t any and thatis accountability? there isn�*t any and that is the biggest problem. therefore, is this, because this and spark another debate about press regulation? —— could this spark. do

you think a stronger press regulation would be needed to prevent a column being written like this again? are talking about greater press regulation? absolutely. we need more press regulation and the conservative government has a lot to answer for and the leveson inquiry produced a bunch of recommendations which the conservatives said they were going to follow but they didn�*t. i�*m talking about the overall inquiry, and having an independent regulator that publishers are required to sign up that publishers are required to sign up to is important because news is a huge responsibility and there is a lot of public trust that goes into it so how are we keeping people who have power... we know what we need to do to put politicians to account, we have court processes, but for something to get to a court process

it is a very hard thing for that to happen and when things get to the court, even then it often drags victims into even more turmoil so what we need is a structural problem which needs to be fixed and to your point that this could have been sent about anyone, yes, but we can�*t be remiss to mention the fact this was written by —— about a mixed—race woman with a black mother, who has been targeted because of her race, and the media has had a big part to play. black women are 84 times more likely to be abused on twitter than white women so this is, there�*s a real racial element and we cannot allow public discourse to stoop to this level, what kind of message to be sent young people about how we talk about each other, the fact there is no respect? there is a thing to disagree with someone but this is hate speech and i think hate speech, we have laws to protect

against hateful actions and we need laws to protect against hateful speech, especially if it is in the printed media where the rich is so big. printed media where the rich is so bi. , �* printed media where the rich is so bi, , �* ., , ., printed media where the rich is so big. isn't that some of the difficulty? _ big. isn't that some of the difficulty? you _ big. isn't that some of the difficulty? you could - big. isn't that some of the difficulty? you could have| difficulty? you could have legislation to restrict what is said in print and what is said in newspapers and magazines, but someone writing something deeply unpleasant about any individual can still say what they like on twitter the next day. there is no regulation there. . , . the next day. there is no regulation there. ., , ., the next day. there is no regulation there. ., ,., , ., ,, the next day. there is no regulation there. ., , ., ,, , there. that is a separate issue but it doesn't take _ there. that is a separate issue but it doesn't take away _ there. that is a separate issue but it doesn't take away from - there. that is a separate issue but it doesn't take away from the - there. that is a separate issue but it doesn't take away from the fact| it doesn�*t take away from the fact that newspapers are already regulated around misinformation and disinformation so why is it any different around eight speech? the discourse has moved on —— hate speech. it was ok to publish anti—semitic pieces about people and groups of people but it is not ok to

do that now, but we still have pieces coming out about women and women of colour, so there is a responsibility there, it is broken that we need accountability be from people who are saying hateful things on social networks but that is a separate issue to what is a regulation issue which is broadcast media. those two things have got to coexist and there is a far greater responsibility on publishers like the sun who have gone through training and who are trained journalists and would have some sort of accountability on its standards but have found it�*s ok to do this, and i don�*t take it is. but have found it's ok to do this, and i don't take it is.— but have found it's ok to do this, and i don't take it is. good to talk to ou. and i don't take it is. good to talk to you- thanks — and i don't take it is. good to talk to you. thanks for _ and i don't take it is. good to talk to you. thanks forjoining - and i don't take it is. good to talk to you. thanks forjoining us. - a study which used lasers to determine how much carbon is stored in trees in a wood in oxfordshire, suggests there�*s almost twice as much locked into british forests as previously thought. researchers used 3d scanners to get

the results and say it�*s more evidence of the importance of woodland areas, in combating climate change. here�*s our science correspondent, victoria gill. even in the cold quiet of winter, this woodland is revealing scientific secrets. we�*re doing a six hectare area. researchers are weighing the trees here in wytham wood in oxfordshire, using a laser scanning technique that measures each tree in fine detail. but you can really see that we capture the full 3d structure of these trees. each laser—scanned point is a dot on a three—dimensional map of a tree, and that�*s converted into a solid model. this is the measure of each tree�*s volume, which scientists can use to calculate the amount of carbon that�*s locked into every inch of trunk and branch. this one was about 25 tonnes, of which about half of that will be carbon.

we have more than almost 1,000 trees that will be weighed here with laser and we found significantly more carbon storage in those trees, almost a factor two. wytham is a very typical uk deciduous woodland in terms of the mix of tree species and age. of course, trees do much more thanjust store carbon, but what this study has done is put a whole new measure on the value that�*s locked into woodland like this. and the researchers say that big, old trees are particularly important. protecting that value that you have in those large, old, mature trees is almost incalculable. so you should avoid losing it at almost any cost. capturing detailed pictures of what�*s locked inside each tree, the researchers say, reveals just how vital our existing forests are in the fight against climate change. victoria gill, bbc news, wytham wood. we have not got the weather forecast

as we normally have because as i have mentioned it is a date for the liaison committee. generally happens three times a year and the prime minister rishi sunak will appear before the liaison committee shortly in parliament and it is his first appearance as the prime minister. let�*a talk to our political correspondent ione wells. this is often quite an interesting day and a big day at westminster but of course a significant day because rishi sunak�*s first appearance against the backdrop of strikes which is all we feel like we are talking about at the moment? this is ve likel talking about at the moment? this is very likely to — talking about at the moment? this is very likely to be _ talking about at the moment? this is very likely to be one _ talking about at the moment? this is very likely to be one of _ talking about at the moment? this is very likely to be one of the _ talking about at the moment? this is very likely to be one of the topics - very likely to be one of the topics that some of the senior cross—party backbench mps will be grilling him about today. strikes alongside other issues at the moment that rishi sunak is grappling with, whether it is in small boats crossing the english channel, and the uk�*s

response to the war in ukraine, these will be topics on the agenda but a big moment for rishi sunak because this is his first one as the prime minister and it is also the last day before mps go off on their christmas break and i suspect rishi sunak will want to be approaching the committee today as a result with the committee today as a result with the hope of wanting to field questions on the calmest way he can and trying to avoid causing any concern amongst backbench mps or causing too many negative headlines before mps go off on their christmas break because i suspect people want to use that period to recalibrate before coming back in the new year and setting up more of what he wants to do as the prime minister. t0 to do as the prime minister. to remind people how it works, these are the question is, the chairs of the various parliamentary committees, subcommittees that people will be familiar with, but these aren�*t senior parliamentarians who get a certain period of time to ask him about questions within their remit as it were. this

ask him about questions within their remit as it were.— remit as it were. this is almost like a super — remit as it were. this is almost like a super committee - remit as it were. this is almost like a super committee in - remit as it were. this is almost - like a super committee in parliament brought together, bringing together other heads of the committees, so that could be health, finance, these are different senior backbench mps who all have a different area of policy that they are vouching for and therefore he will be likely facing questions on a range of different topics, like international foreign affairs, defence, but also issues closer to home, like the economy in the uk and migration, and strikes. these are areas he will be facing questions on today. interesting as well that this is the first committee he will face as prime minister and i think he will try to approach this with a sense of calm. but looking back at the last liaison committee that took place which was borisjohnson at the time as prime minister, that took place

against a different backdrop, it was on the day that many of his own mps were resigning from his government and he was facing a lot of pressure outside of that committee, so anything that happens today will not be a match for that last one that we watched in westminster but certainly there will be a lot of heat on rishi sunak at a time when strikes up and down the country are taking place this week and in the weeks to come. and while we wait for it to start, just a word on all of that. we know the health secretary is due to be sitting down this afternoon with people representing ambulance workers, 999 workers, one of the many health strikes this week. just yoursense many health strikes this week. just your sense from talking to conservative mps, your sense of what they think about nhs strikes in particular, whether the government is going to have to budge in the end, give something, give some suggestion because there is such concern around strikes amongst

nurses and the impact on patient health. . �* , . nurses and the impact on patient health. ., �* , ., , health. that's right. that is the . rowinr health. that's right. that is the growing fear — health. that's right. that is the growing fear among _ health. that's right. that is the growing fear among mps - health. that's right. that is the growing fear among mps of- health. that's right. that is the l growing fear among mps of all... across the political spectrum, the ongoing concern about what the strikes might mean as well for patients. i think there are certainly a number of conservative mps who have raised concerns, that ministers are not necessarily doing enough to mitigate against the strikes, some have publicly and privately said that they should go back to the negotiating table and talk about pay with some of the unions. . ~' , ., talk about pay with some of the unions. . ~' ,, ~ talk about pay with some of the unions. ., ,, , ., . ., unions. thank you. we will head straiaht unions. thank you. we will head straight into _ unions. thank you. we will head straight into the _ unions. thank you. we will head straight into the room. - unions. thank you. we will head straight into the room. rishi - unions. thank you. we will head i straight into the room. rishi sunak ready to answer questions.- ready to answer questions. please kee to ready to answer questions. please keep to the _ ready to answer questions. please keep to the point. _ ready to answer questions. please keep to the point. we _ ready to answer questions. please keep to the point. we will- ready to answer questions. please keep to the point. we will crack. keep to the point. we will crack straight — keep to the point. we will crack straight on with our first topic on international issues, starting with the war— international issues, starting with the war in— international issues, starting with the war in ukraine.— international issues, starting with the war in ukraine. prime minister, i will take the war in ukraine. prime minister, i will take you _ the war in ukraine. prime minister, i will take you around _ the war in ukraine. prime minister, i will take you around the _ the war in ukraine. prime minister, i will take you around the world - i will take you around the world with as — i will take you around the world with as many— i will take you around the world with as many questions - i will take you around the world with as many questions as - i will take you around the world with as many questions as i- i will take you around the world. with as many questions as i have time _ with as many questions as i have

time for~ — with as many questions as i have time for~ you _ with as many questions as i have time for. you have _ with as many questions as i have time for. you have auden- with as many questions as i have time for. you have auden —— - with as many questions as i have - time for. you have auden —— ordered a review— time for. you have auden —— ordered a review of— time for. you have auden —— ordered a review of support _ time for. you have auden —— ordered a review of support and _ time for. you have auden —— ordered a review of support and the - time for. you have auden —— ordered a review of support and the media i a review of support and the media says this — a review of support and the media says this means— a review of support and the media says this means you _ a review of support and the media says this means you will - a review of support and the media says this means you will be - a review of support and the media says this means you will be less i says this means you will be less steadfast — says this means you will be less steadfast in _ says this means you will be less steadfast in support _ says this means you will be less steadfast in support for - says this means you will be less steadfast in support for our - steadfast in support for our ukrainian _ steadfast in support for our ukrainian allies. _ steadfast in support for our ukrainian allies. [- steadfast in support for our ukrainian allies.— steadfast in support for our ukrainian allies. i would not necessarily _ ukrainian allies. i would not necessarily read _ ukrainian allies. i would not necessarily read too - ukrainian allies. i would not necessarily read too much l ukrainian allies. i would not i necessarily read too much into ukrainian allies. i would not - necessarily read too much into the press reports. look at my actions, the first foreign call i made was to president zelensky, the first bilateralforeign trip i made president zelensky, the first bilateral foreign trip i made was to kyiv, i have spoken to president zelensky a couple more times since then and organise for him to speak to the g7 leaders and also yesterday at the summit. and committed to maintaining or increasing our military support to ukraine next year, so those are all the actions today and we will of course continue today and we will of course continue to support ukraine. what all of us would like to say is ukraine successfully repelling russian aggression and it is important we maintain support but also evolve the

support for the conditions we are seeing on the ground on the battlefield and that is what i am keen to do. battlefield and that is what i am keen to do— keen to do. turning to russian backers in _ keen to do. turning to russian backers in iran. _ keen to do. turning to russian backers in iran. president - keen to do. turning to russian i backers in iran. president obama regretted — backers in iran. president obama regretted not— backers in iran. president obama regretted not listening _ backers in iran. president obama regretted not listening to - backers in iran. president obama regretted not listening to his - regretted not listening to his advisers _ regretted not listening to his advisers to— regretted not listening to his advisers to back _ regretted not listening to his advisers to back the - regretted not listening to his advisers to back the green i advisers to back the green revolution _ advisers to back the green revolution in _ advisers to back the green revolution in iran. - advisers to back the green revolution in iran. iran- advisers to back the green revolution in iran. iran is. revolution in iran. iran is committing _ revolution in iran. iran is. committing assassinations revolution in iran. iran is- committing assassinations and perpetrating _ committing assassinations and perpetrating war _ committing assassinations and perpetrating war crimes - committing assassinations and perpetrating war crimes in - committing assassinations and - perpetrating war crimes in ukraine. how are _ perpetrating war crimes in ukraine. how are you — perpetrating war crimes in ukraine. how are you standing _ perpetrating war crimes in ukraine. how are you standing by— perpetrating war crimes in ukraine. how are you standing by the - perpetrating war crimes in ukraine. | how are you standing by the people of iran— how are you standing by the people of iran and — how are you standing by the people of iran and will— how are you standing by the people of iran and will you _ how are you standing by the people of iran and will you now— how are you standing by the people of iran and will you now sanction i of iran and will you now sanction the guard — of iran and will you now sanction the guard corps _ of iran and will you now sanction the guard corps as _ of iran and will you now sanction the guard corps as you - of iran and will you now sanctioni the guard corps as you promised of iran and will you now sanction i the guard corps as you promised in the guard corps as you promised in the summer? — the guard corps as you promised in the summer? the— the guard corps as you promised in the summer?— the summer? the protest we are seeinr in the summer? the protest we are seeing in iran _ the summer? the protest we are seeing in iran send _ the summer? the protest we are seeing in iran send a _ the summer? the protest we are seeing in iran send a clear - the summer? the protest we are i seeing in iran send a clear message that the iranians people are satisfied with the path that people have taken. rhys barratt —— stand very much with the people of iran. i think the treatment of protesters is quite frankly apparent and that is why in terms of actions, the foreign secretary summoned a senior iranian official to express our view to them and over the course of three

different days on the 9th of december, 14th of november and 14th of october, we have sanctioned 40 different individuals connected with the protests, the so—called morality police. and we get with international allies iran out we already sank down —— sanctioned the macro t —— irgc. t we already sank down -- sanctioned the macro t -- irgc.— the macro t -- irgc. i believe you have not sanctioned _ the macro t -- irgc. i believe you have not sanctioned them. - the macro t -- irgc. i believe you have not sanctioned them. we - the macro t -- irgc. i believe you . have not sanctioned them. we have sanctioned the _ have not sanctioned them. we have sanctioned the irgc in its _ have not sanctioned them. we have sanctioned the irgc in its entirety. . sanctioned the irgc in its entirety. the separate lists of terrorist organisations is kept under review and generally we would not comment on that. ~ , ., �* i. and generally we would not comment on that. ~ , ., �* i. we on that. why won't you comment? we would not comment _ on that. why won't you comment? we would not comment on _ on that. why won't you comment? we would not comment on processes - on that. why won't you comment? we would not comment on processes thati would not comment on processes that may or may not be under way. tt is a may or may not be under way. it is a frustratin: may or may not be under way. it is a frustrating audit _ may or may not be under way. it is a frustrating audit -- _ may or may not be under way. it is a

frustrating audit -- foreign - may or may not be under way. it is a frustrating audit -- foreign office i frustrating audit —— foreign office clear~ _ frustrating audit —— foreign office clear~ the — frustrating audit —— foreign office clear. the security— frustrating audit —— foreign office clear. the security services - frustrating audit —— foreign office clear. the security services have. clear. the security services have identified — clear. the security services have identified china _ clear. the security services have identified china as— clear. the security services have identified china as a _ clear. the security services have identified china as a site - clear. the security services have identified china as a site —— - identified china as a site —— security— identified china as a site —— security challenge - identified china as a site —— security challenge but - identified china as a site —— security challenge but we i identified china as a site —— i security challenge but we have identified china as a site —— - security challenge but we have no strategic— security challenge but we have no strategic coherence _ security challenge but we have no strategic coherence on _ security challenge but we have no strategic coherence on this - security challenge but we have no strategic coherence on this and i security challenge but we have no i strategic coherence on this and have fallen— strategic coherence on this and have fallen short — strategic coherence on this and have fallen short on — strategic coherence on this and have fallen short on strategies _ strategic coherence on this and have fallen short on strategies and - strategic coherence on this and have fallen short on strategies and has i fallen short on strategies and has failed _ fallen short on strategies and has failed to— fallen short on strategies and has failed to protect _ fallen short on strategies and has failed to protect refugees- fallen short on strategies and has failed to protect refugees on- failed to protect refugees on british— failed to protect refugees on british soil _ failed to protect refugees on british soil from _ failed to protect refugees on british soil from chinese - failed to protect refugees on- british soil from chinese diplomat brutality — british soil from chinese diplomat brutality you _ british soil from chinese diplomat brutality. you promised _ british soil from chinese diplomat brutality. you promised to - british soil from chinese diplomati brutality. you promised to change british soil from chinese diplomat i brutality. you promised to change it on day— brutality. you promised to change it on day one — brutality. you promised to change it on day one how— brutality. you promised to change it on day one. how have _ brutality. you promised to change it on day one. how have you - brutality. you promised to change it on day one. how have you done - brutality. you promised to change it i on day one. how have you done that? just to— on day one. how have you done that? just to finish— on day one. how have you done that? just to finish on — on day one. how have you done that? just to finish on iran, _ on day one. how have you done that? just to finish on iran, whilst _ just to finish on iran, whilst russia and ukraine remains our number one foreign policy challenges we go into the new year, i am increasingly concerned about iran�*s behaviour, the treatment of their citizens, their regional... what they are doing in the region which is destabilising and indeed the nuclear programme, so i think it is something we will need to spend an increasing amount of time on going forward. with regard to china, again, i would just say, i forward. with regard to china, again, iwould just say, i have forward. with regard to china, again, i would just say, i have been doing this eight weeks and if we look at the steps as we have taken in that time, i have always been

clear that china represents systematic challenge to our values, very different values to ours, but what matters is the actions that we are taking and we use the powers under the investment act to block the increased estate in newport and secondly when it came to the decision to green light sizewell, we make sure the state company would no longer be a part of that object and we have removed surveillance from the estate connected to the national intelligence law in china and most recently we have organised 50 other countries in the un for a resolution regarding that. those are all concrete steps in just the last seven or eight weeks that we have taken which demonstrates i think my commitment to stand up to china where it is in our interests to do so. . where it is in our interests to do so, ., ., " , , where it is in our interests to do so, ., .," , ,

where it is in our interests to do so, ., ., " , , . " ., where it is in our interests to do so. that takes us back to the policy of robust pragmatism _ so. that takes us back to the policy of robust pragmatism the - so. that takes us back to the policy of robust pragmatism the actions i | of robust pragmatism the actions i 'ust of robust pragmatism the actions i just outlined _ of robust pragmatism the actions i just outlined our— of robust pragmatism the actions i just outlined our robust _ of robust pragmatism the actions i just outlined our robust actions. i just outlined our robust actions. that is why when we think it is appropriate,... should be newport transaction go ahead as planned, we block that, and remove the surveillance technology, that is why we have removed cgm from the sizewell project, those are examples of robust action. all i would says it is also important that our approach to china is aligned with our closest allies and i have discussed it with resident biden and the prime minister of australia, and i believe our policy is aligned and there will be many things that we do have to have a dialogue with china on, whether that is public health, climate change, the economy, it makes sense to do that. we climate change, the economy, it makes sense to do that. we seem to have a issue —

makes sense to do that. we seem to have a issue eyeing _ makes sense to do that. we seem to have a issue eyeing down _ makes sense to do that. we seem to have a issue eyeing down our - makes sense to do that. we seem to have a issue eyeing down our policy. have a issue eyeing down our policy in relation _ have a issue eyeing down our policy in relation to — have a issue eyeing down our policy in relation to turkey. _ have a issue eyeing down our policy in relation to turkey. they - have a issue eyeing down our policy in relation to turkey. they have - in relation to turkey. they have been _ in relation to turkey. they have been an— in relation to turkey. they have been an important _ in relation to turkey. they have been an important conduit - in relation to turkey. they have - been an important conduit between europe _ been an important conduit between europe and — been an important conduit between europe and russia _ been an important conduit between europe and russia but _ been an important conduit between europe and russia but since - been an important conduit between europe and russia but since 2019, i europe and russia but since 2019, president — europe and russia but since 2019, president erdogan_ europe and russia but since 2019, president erdogan has— europe and russia but since 2019, president erdogan has carried - europe and russia but since 2019, president erdogan has carried out| president erdogan has carried out attack— president erdogan has carried out attack after — president erdogan has carried out attack after attack— president erdogan has carried out attack after attack on _ president erdogan has carried out attack after attack on the - president erdogan has carried out attack after attack on the turkish | attack after attack on the turkish people — attack after attack on the turkish people this— attack after attack on the turkish people. this could _ attack after attack on the turkish people. this could jeopardise - attack after attack on the turkish i people. this could jeopardise our success— people. this could jeopardise our success against— people. this could jeopardise our success against dyess _ people. this could jeopardise our success against dyess and - people. this could jeopardise our success against dyess and c - success against dyess and c atrocities— success against dyess and c atrocities committed - success against dyess and c atrocities committed en - success against dyess and c - atrocities committed en masse. i have atrocities committed en masse. have spoken to the president at atrocities committed en masse..- have spoken to the president at the international summit but also bilaterally. we are encouraging turkey to do the right thing and most recently we work constructively with them on ensuring that the black sea green deal was renewed and that is something they play their part in. pa. is something they play their part in. �* . ., , ., is something they play their part in. a couple of questions, it is astonishing — in. a couple of questions, it is astonishing that _ in. a couple of questions, it is astonishing that we _ in. a couple of questions, it is astonishing that we allow - in. a couple of questions, it is. astonishing that we allow china in. a couple of questions, it is - astonishing that we allow china to carry— astonishing that we allow china to carry on— astonishing that we allow china to carry on doing what they were doing for so _ carry on doing what they were doing for so long — carry on doing what they were doing for so long. and i am certainly for one pleased with the direction the government is taking but coming back

to russia, _ government is taking but coming back to russia, the defence secretary made _ to russia, the defence secretary made a — to russia, the defence secretary made a statement this afternoon pointing — made a statement this afternoon pointing out this is the 300th day of the _ pointing out this is the 300th day of the war— pointing out this is the 300th day of the war that was meant to take a few days _ of the war that was meant to take a few days. and has been military disasters — few days. and has been military disasters for russia but are we underestimating their will? what do you make _ underestimating their will? what do you make of russian willpower because — you make of russian willpower because they are putting everything into the _ because they are putting everything into the fight, the doctrine of total— into the fight, the doctrine of total war— into the fight, the doctrine of total war and victory at any cost, that seems— total war and victory at any cost, that seems to be very apparent? and that seems to be very apparent? and that is why it — that seems to be very apparent? and that is why it is _ that seems to be very apparent? fich that is why it is important we continue to maintain and increase our support to ukraine and make sure that support is effective in deterring further russian aggression and pushing them back from the territory that they have already seized and that is what we will continue to do.— seized and that is what we will continue to do. how much is that shed is deeply — continue to do. how much is that shed is deeply with _ continue to do. how much is that shed is deeply with you - continue to do. how much is that shed is deeply with you as - continue to do. how much is that shed is deeply with you as with i continue to do. how much is that i shed is deeply with you as with our european _ shed is deeply with you as with our european allies question mark that is why— european allies question mark that is why i_ european allies question mark that is why i was at the semi yesterday and ten _ is why i was at the semi yesterday and ten countries very like—minded on values _ and ten countries very like—minded on values but especially with the threat _ on values but especially with the threat that russia opposes. those

are the types _ threat that russia opposes. those are the types of — threat that russia opposes. those are the types of things _ threat that russia opposes. those are the types of things we - threat that russia opposes. ttr"2 are the types of things we discussed yesterday on those conversations were had more broadly as well. the defence chair would be asking what has happened to the lessons learned document— has happened to the lessons learned document in the ministry of defence about— document in the ministry of defence about lessons learned on the ukraine conflict? _ about lessons learned on the ukraine conflict? replenishing ammunitions, which _ conflict? replenishing ammunitions, which the _ conflict? replenishing ammunitions, which the defence secretary said will be _ which the defence secretary said will be repressed, not are being replenished and the resilience of supply— replenished and the resilience of supply chains, which have turned out to be _ supply chains, which have turned out to be thread — supply chains, which have turned out to be thread down. yes, supply chains, which have turned out to be thread down.— supply chains, which have turned out to be thread down. yes, and we are a unishin: to be thread down. yes, and we are a punishing ammunitions. _ to be thread down. yes, and we are a punishing ammunitions. as— to be thread down. yes, and we are a punishing ammunitions. as you - to be thread down. yes, and we are a punishing ammunitions. as you just i punishing ammunitions. as you just acknowledged as well, bernard, the money is less —— the issue is less money is less —— the issue is less money than supply chain capacity. that is the challenge and a limiting factor on our ability to get some support flowing to ukraine happening quicker. at the point right at the beginning is we need to make sure that we get them what they need and the priorities at the moment add a defence, armoured vehicles and and

military munitions. a contract we have signed will ensure that there is a ready supply of artery next year but also on a monthly basis —— artillery. ukraine have not been able to plan with the ability because of the supply chain and that will give them that stability next year which will be helpful. thank ou. year which will be helpful. thank you- prime _ year which will be helpful. thank you. prime minister, _ year which will be helpful. thank you. prime minister, i— year which will be helpful. thank you. prime minister, i want - year which will be helpful. thank you. prime minister, i want to i year which will be helpful. thank i you. prime minister, i want to talk about the situation _ you. prime minister, i want to talk about the situation with _ you. prime minister, i want to talk about the situation with ukrainian | about the situation with ukrainian refugees— about the situation with ukrainian refugees in— about the situation with ukrainian refugees in this _ about the situation with ukrainian refugees in this country. - about the situation with ukrainian refugees in this country. i- about the situation with ukrainian refugees in this country. i am - about the situation with ukrainianl refugees in this country. i am sure all our— refugees in this country. i am sure all our thoughts _ refugees in this country. i am sure all our thoughts this— refugees in this country. i am sure all our thoughts this christmas - refugees in this country. i am surei all our thoughts this christmas will be with— all our thoughts this christmas will be with our— all our thoughts this christmas will be with our ukrainian— all our thoughts this christmas will be with our ukrainian guests - all our thoughts this christmas will be with our ukrainian guests and i be with our ukrainian guests and children— be with our ukrainian guests and children that _ be with our ukrainian guests and children that will— be with our ukrainian guests and children that will be _ be with our ukrainian guests and children that will be spending. children that will be spending christmas _ children that will be spending christmas in _ children that will be spending christmas in a _ children that will be spending christmas in a foreign - children that will be spending. christmas in a foreign country. children that will be spending - christmas in a foreign country. and also thanks— christmas in a foreign country. and also thanks to _ christmas in a foreign country. and also thanks to the _ christmas in a foreign country. and also thanks to the wonderful- christmas in a foreign country. and also thanks to the wonderful hosts| also thanks to the wonderful hosts who hosted — also thanks to the wonderful hosts who hosted 100,000 _ also thanks to the wonderful hosts who hosted 100,000 ukrainian- who hosted 100,000 ukrainian individuals— who hosted 100,000 ukrainian individuals in— who hosted 100,000 ukrainian individuals in our— who hosted 100,000 ukrainian individuals in our country. - individuals in our country. unfortunately 3000 - individuals in our country. - unfortunately 3000 ukrainian families— unfortunately 3000 ukrainian families have _ unfortunately 3000 ukrainian families have presented - unfortunately 3000 ukrainian - families have presented themselves as homeless— families have presented themselves as homeless in— families have presented themselves as homeless in the _ families have presented themselves as homeless in the last _ families have presented themselves as homeless in the last six - families have presented themselves as homeless in the last six months. as homeless in the last six months and many— as homeless in the last six months and many of— as homeless in the last six months and many of those _ as homeless in the last six months and many of those families - as homeless in the last six months i and many of those families including children— and many of those families including

children will— and many of those families including children will spend _ and many of those families including children will spend christmas - and many of those families including children will spend christmas in - children will spend christmas in temporary— children will spend christmas in temporary accommodation. - children will spend christmas in temporary accommodation. is i children will spend christmas in i temporary accommodation. is that acceptable — temporary accommodation. is that acceptable that _ temporary accommodation. is that acceptable that we _ temporary accommodation. is that acceptable that we have _ temporary accommodation. is that acceptable that we have got - temporary accommodation. is that acceptable that we have got to - temporary accommodation. is thati acceptable that we have got to that situation _ acceptable that we have got to that situation in — acceptable that we have got to that situation in a — acceptable that we have got to that situation in a wealthy _ acceptable that we have got to that situation in a wealthy country - situation in a wealthy country likely— situation in a wealthy country likely are? _ situation in a wealthy country likely are?— situation in a wealthy country likel are? , ., _ likely are? the first thing to say, as ou likely are? the first thing to say, as you said. _ likely are? the first thing to say, as you said. is— likely are? the first thing to say, as you said, is to _ likely are? the first thing to say, as you said, is to express - likely are? the first thing to say, as you said, is to express our. as you said, is to express our gratitude and admiration for the thousands of british families who have opened up their hearts and homes to accommodate ukrainian refugees. as i said previously, many of them will be setting an extra place at the christmas table and thatis place at the christmas table and that is enormously to their credit. the way that we did this was through the homes for ukraine scheme, as you know, and that was with sponsored families taking people in. the announcement we made recently extends the thank you payments to those families for a further 12 months, it also increases them from £350 a month to £500 a month and to your other point, we have provided £150 million of funding to local authorities to help mitigate homelessness in the second year. tt homelessness in the second year. it certainly will not solve the problem of homeless —

certainly will not solve the problem of homeless refugees _ certainly will not solve the problem of homeless refugees because - certainly will not solve the problem of homeless refugees because we i certainly will not solve the problem - of homeless refugees because we have afghan— of homeless refugees because we have afghan refugees — of homeless refugees because we have afghan refugees and _ of homeless refugees because we have afghan refugees and top _ of homeless refugees because we have afghan refugees and top of _ of homeless refugees because we have afghan refugees and top of that. - of homeless refugees because we have afghan refugees and top of that. you i afghan refugees and top of that. you mention— afghan refugees and top of that. you mention the — afghan refugees and top of that. you mention the payments _ afghan refugees and top of that. you mention the payments to _ afghan refugees and top of that. you mention the payments to sponsors. i mention the payments to sponsors. richard _ mention the payments to sponsors. richard harrington— mention the payments to sponsors. richard harrington when _ mention the payments to sponsors. richard harrington when he - mention the payments to sponsors. richard harrington when he was - richard harrington when he was minister— richard harrington when he was minister said _ richard harrington when he was minister said the _ richard harrington when he was minister said the payment - richard harrington when he was. minister said the payment should richard harrington when he was - minister said the payment should be doubled _ minister said the payment should be doubled last— minister said the payment should be doubled. last week, _ minister said the payment should be doubled. last week, the _ minister said the payment should be| doubled. last week, the government increased _ doubled. last week, the government increased and — doubled. last week, the government increased and increased _ doubled. last week, the government increased and increased to _ doubled. last week, the government increased and increased to £500 - doubled. last week, the government increased and increased to £500 a i increased and increased to £500 a month— increased and increased to £500 a month for— increased and increased to £500 a month for families _ increased and increased to £500 a month for families but _ increased and increased to £500 a month for families but only- increased and increased to £500 a month for families but only after. month for families but only after one year~ — month for families but only after one year~ 0h _ month for families but only after one year. on the _ month for families but only after one year. on the committee, . month for families but only afteri one year. on the committee, we month for families but only after- one year. on the committee, we met ukrainian _ one year. on the committee, we met ukrainian family— one year. on the committee, we met ukrainian family hosts _ one year. on the committee, we met ukrainian family hosts who _ one year. on the committee, we met ukrainian family hosts who are - ukrainian family hosts who are thinking — ukrainian family hosts who are thinking about— ukrainian family hosts who are thinking about giving - ukrainian family hosts who are thinking about giving up- ukrainian family hosts who are thinking about giving up after. ukrainian family hosts who are i thinking about giving up after six months — thinking about giving up after six months because _ thinking about giving up after six months because of— thinking about giving up after six months because of the _ thinking about giving up after six months because of the pressurel thinking about giving up after six i months because of the pressure of the cost _ months because of the pressure of the cost of— months because of the pressure of the cost of living _ months because of the pressure of the cost of living being _ months because of the pressure of the cost of living being an - months because of the pressure of the cost of living being an issue. i the cost of living being an issue. can't _ the cost of living being an issue. can't you — the cost of living being an issue. can't you just _ the cost of living being an issue. can't you just be _ the cost of living being an issue. can't you just be a _ the cost of living being an issue. can't you just be a bit _ the cost of living being an issue. can't you just be a bit more - can't you just be a bit more generous, _ can't you just be a bit more generous, increase - can't you just be a bit more generous, increase the - can't you just be a bit more - generous, increase the payments a bit more _ generous, increase the payments a bit more and — generous, increase the payments a bit more and bring _ generous, increase the payments a bit more and bring them _ generous, increase the payments a bit more and bring them forward. i bit more and bring them forward. homelessness— bit more and bring them forward. homelessness increasing? - bit more and bring them forward. homelessness increasing? it- bit more and bring them forward. homelessness increasing? it is i bit more and bring them forward. homelessness increasing? it is worth beafina homelessness increasing? it is worth bearing mind — homelessness increasing? it is worth bearing mind that _ homelessness increasing? it is worth bearing mind that it _ homelessness increasing? it is worth bearing mind that it is _ homelessness increasing? it is worth bearing mind that it is not _ homelessness increasing? it is worth bearing mind that it is notjust - bearing mind that it is notjust payments to the families that the government is making, it is also payments to the local authorities. there is a tariff that has meant over £1 billion of funding that has also been flowing to local authorities to help them with preparations, but the housing secretary has also made available

half £1 billion in funding for a local authority housing fund and thatis local authority housing fund and that is for capital funding for areas facing significant housing pressures as a result of ukrainian arrivals and that will help alleviate some of the pressures we are seeing. there is also a remapping scheme, where ukrainian guests can find new sponsors and we are providing guidance in accessing the private rental sector. you are providing guidance in accessing the private rental sector.— the private rental sector. you have 'ust cut it the private rental sector. you have just cut it from _ the private rental sector. you have just cut it from january _ the private rental sector. you have just cut it from january the - the private rental sector. you have just cut it from january the 1st - the private rental sector. you have just cut it from january the 1st to i just cut it from january the 1st to £5,900 — just cut it from january the 1st to £5,900 if— just cut it from january the 1st to £5,900. if 10,000 _ just cut it from january the 1st to £5,900. if 10,000 was - just cut it from january the 1st to £5,900. if 10,000 was the - just cut it from january the 1st to £5,900. if 10,000 was the righti £5,900. if 10,000 was the right trigger— £5,900. if 10,000 was the right trigger this— £5,900. if 10,000 was the right trigger this year. _ £5,900. if 10,000 was the right trigger this year, why _ £5,900. if 10,000 was the right trigger this year, why is - £5,900. if 10,000 was the right trigger this year, why is only. £5,900. if 10,000 was the right. trigger this year, why is only 5900 the right— trigger this year, why is only 5900 the right figure — trigger this year, why is only 5900 the right figure next _ trigger this year, why is only 5900 the right figure next year? - trigger this year, why is only 5900 the right figure next year? it - trigger this year, why is only 5900 the right figure next year? it is - trigger this year, why is only 5900 the right figure next year?- the right figure next year? it is a combination _ the right figure next year? it is a combination of _ the right figure next year? it is a combination of things. _ the right figure next year? it is a combination of things. there - the right figure next year? it is a combination of things. there arei combination of things. there are some costs that are front—loaded, you will know that speaking to local authorities but it is a question of what we can afford, as alluded to at the beginning, this has been going

on for longer than people anticipated and we want to increase of the payments to individual families providing shelter, your first questions were about not making sure that those families are homeless or put in temporary —— temporary accommodation for we have increased those payments but i think it is reasonable over times that the payments change and it is worth bearing in mind that we have provided £6.5 billion in extra funding that will be made available to local government more generally as a rug —— result of the autumn statement. that is new funding. you will know that _ statement. that is new funding. you will know that local councils have had bigger— will know that local councils have had bigger cuts— will know that local councils have had bigger cuts to _ will know that local councils have had bigger cuts to their- will know that local councils have had bigger cuts to their budget i will know that local councils have i had bigger cuts to their budget that is a any— had bigger cuts to their budget that is a any other— had bigger cuts to their budget that is a any other part _ had bigger cuts to their budget that is a any other part of— had bigger cuts to their budget that is a any other part of the _ had bigger cuts to their budget that is a any other part of the exact - is a any other part of the exact over— is a any other part of the exact over the — is a any other part of the exact over the last _ is a any other part of the exact over the last 12— is a any other part of the exact over the last 12 years. - is a any other part of the exact over the last 12 years. local. over the last 12 years. local authorities— over the last 12 years. local authorities getting - over the last 12 years. local authorities getting nothing. over the last 12 years. local. authorities getting nothing at over the last 12 years. local- authorities getting nothing at all for the _ authorities getting nothing at all for the refugees— authorities getting nothing at all for the refugees coming - authorities getting nothing at all for the refugees coming under. authorities getting nothing at all i for the refugees coming under the family— for the refugees coming under the family scheme _ for the refugees coming under the family scheme. why— for the refugees coming under the family scheme. why should - for the refugees coming under the family scheme. why should locali family scheme. why should local citizens — family scheme. why should local citizens through _ family scheme. why should local citizens through their— family scheme. why should local

citizens through their councils i family scheme. why should local. citizens through their councils have to have _ citizens through their councils have to have cuts, — citizens through their councils have to have cuts, further— citizens through their councils have to have cuts, further cuts, - citizens through their councils have to have cuts, further cuts, to- to have cuts, further cuts, to libraries— to have cuts, further cuts, to libraries and _ to have cuts, further cuts, to libraries and bus _ to have cuts, further cuts, to libraries and bus services - to have cuts, further cuts, to| libraries and bus services and street— libraries and bus services and street sweeping _ libraries and bus services and street sweeping services - libraries and bus services and street sweeping services for. libraries and bus services and - street sweeping services for what is a national— street sweeping services for what is a national and — street sweeping services for what is a national and international- a national and international problem? _ a national and international problem? shouldn't- a national and international problem? shouldn't it - a national and international problem? shouldn't it be i a national and international- problem? shouldn't it be central government— problem? shouldn't it be central government picking _ problem? shouldn't it be central government picking up - problem? shouldn't it be central government picking up this - problem? shouldn't it be centrali government picking up this cost. cehtrai— government picking up this cost. central government— government picking up this cost. central government is— government picking up this cost. central government is picking. government picking up this cost. central government is picking up government picking up this cost. - central government is picking up the cost. we have discussed this in our other committee, it has been going up other committee, it has been going up very significant levels. truth? other committee, it has been going up very significant levels.— up very significant levels. why no money for _ up very significant levels. why no money for the — up very significant levels. why no money for the family _ up very significant levels. why no money for the family scheme - up very significant levels. why no money for the family scheme at i up very significant levels. why no i money for the family scheme at all? there _ money for the family scheme at all? there is— money for the family scheme at all? there is considerable _ money for the family scheme at all? there is considerable overall- there is considerable overall funding. overall into local government, there is 6.5... t funding. overall into local government, there is 6.5... i think ou have government, there is 6.5... i think you have made _ government, there is 6.5... i think you have made your— government, there is 6.5... i think you have made your point. - government, there is 6.5... i think you have made your point. good i you have made your point. good afternoon _ you have made your point. good afternoon from _ you have made your point. good afternoon from the _ you have made your point. good afternoon from the report - you have made your point. good afternoon from the report into small boats _ afternoon from the report into small boats published _ afternoon from the report into small boats published in— afternoon from the report into small boats published in the _ afternoon from the report into small boats published in the summer, - afternoon from the report into small boats published in the summer, it. boats published in the summer, it was clear— boats published in the summer, it was clear the _ boats published in the summer, it was clear the asylum _ boats published in the summer, it was clear the asylum backlog - boats published in the summer, it was clear the asylum backlog hadl was clear the asylum backlog had been _ was clear the asylum backlog had been allowed _ was clear the asylum backlog had been allowed to _ was clear the asylum backlog had been allowed to grown _ was clear the asylum backlog had been allowed to grown since - was clear the asylum backlog hadi been allowed to grown since 2013 was clear the asylum backlog had - been allowed to grown since 2013 and was undermining _ been allowed to grown since 2013 and was undermining everything - been allowed to grown since 2013 and was undermining everything else. - been allowed to grown since 2013 and i was undermining everything else. top recommendation _ was undermining everything else. top recommendation in _ was undermining everything else. top recommendation in the _ was undermining everything else. top recommendation in the report -

was undermining everything else. top recommendation in the report clearlyl recommendation in the report clearly backlog, _ recommendation in the report clearly backlog, you — recommendation in the report clearly backlog, you say _ recommendation in the report clearly backlog. you say to _ recommendation in the report clearly backlog, you say to parliament - recommendation in the report clearly backlog, you say to parliament we i backlog, you say to parliament we expect _ backlog, you say to parliament we expect to — backlog, you say to parliament we expect to abolish _ backlog, you say to parliament we expect to abolish the _ backlog, you say to parliament we expect to abolish the backlog - backlog, you say to parliament we expect to abolish the backlog by i backlog, you say to parliament we i expect to abolish the backlog by the end of— expect to abolish the backlog by the end of next — expect to abolish the backlog by the end of next year~ _ expect to abolish the backlog by the end of next year. a _ expect to abolish the backlog by the end of next year. a really— expect to abolish the backlog by the end of next year. a really bold - end of next year. a really bold claim — end of next year. a really bold claim and _ end of next year. a really bold claim and you _ end of next year. a really bold claim. and you just— end of next year. a really bold claim. and you just confirm i end of next year. a really bold i claim. and you just confirm the number— claim. and you just confirm the number that— claim. and you just confirm the number that you _ claim. and you just confirm the number that you plan - claim. and you just confirm the number that you plan to - claim. and you just confirm thel number that you plan to abolish claim. and you just confirm the - number that you plan to abolish by the end _ number that you plan to abolish by the end of— number that you plan to abolish by the end of next— number that you plan to abolish by the end of next year? _ number that you plan to abolish by the end of next year? yes. - number that you plan to abolish by the end of next year?— number that you plan to abolish by the end of next year? yes, it is the initial asylum _ the end of next year? yes, it is the initial asylum backlog _ the end of next year? yes, it is the initial asylum backlog with - the end of next year? yes, it is the initial asylum backlog with apple i initial asylum backlog with apple june the 28th, which is when it came into effect, from the mid—90,000. 50 into effect, from the mid—90,000. so not the 120,000 that we currently have~~ _ not the 120,000 that we currently have... ” :: :: :: not the 120,000 that we currently have... " :: :: :: .,, not the 120,000 that we currently have... " iiiiii ., have... 117,000 was the tilt and then the time. _ have... 117,000 was the tilt and then the time. that _ have... 117,000 was the tilt and then the time. that is _ have... 117,000 was the tilt and | then the time. that is comprised from the 92 and that is the point at which it separates... tt is from the 92 and that is the point at which it separates. . ._ which it separates... it is not actually abolishing _ which it separates... it is not actually abolishing the - which it separates... it is not i actually abolishing the backlog. which it separates... it is not - actually abolishing the backlog. if actually abolishing the backlog. [t we can actually abolishing the backlog. we can go further... actually abolishing the backlog. if we can go further... it is - actually abolishing the backlog. if we can go further... it is not - we can go further... it is not abolishing. _ we can go further... it is not abolishing, that _ we can go further... it is not abolishing, that is _ we can go further... it is not abolishing, that is the - we can go further... it is not abolishing, that is the key i we can go further... it is not - abolishing, that is the key point. it abolishing, that is the key point. it would — abolishing, that is the key point. it would represent _ abolishing, that is the key point. it would represent one _ abolishing, that is the key point. it would represent one of- abolishing, that is the key point. it would represent one of the - abolishing, that is the key point. i it would represent one of the most significant reductions that we have seen and i would absolutely love to go further. seen and i would absolutely love to no further. ., . , seen and i would absolutely love to uofurther. ., ., , , ., , seen and i would absolutely love to uofurther. ., ., i, ., ., go further. how many small boats do ou go further. how many small boats do you envisage — go further. how many small boats do you envisage coming _ go further. how many small boats do you envisage coming to _ go further. how many small boats do you envisage coming to the - go further. how many small boats do you envisage coming to the uk -

go further. how many small boats do you envisage coming to the uk in - you envisage coming to the uk in 2023? _ you envisage coming to the uk in 2023? it— you envisage coming to the uk in 2023? ., ., , , , ., 2023? it would not be possible for me to ut 2023? it would not be possible for me to put a _ 2023? it would not be possible for me to put a precise _ 2023? it would not be possible for me to put a precise number- 2023? it would not be possible for me to put a precise number on - 2023? it would not be possible for me to put a precise number on it i 2023? it would not be possible for. me to put a precise number on it and i have been very clear that this problem is not an easy one to solve. it cannot be solved overnight. but the steps that we are taking already and we intend to take will help. you are sa in: and we intend to take will help. you are saying there's not a figure for next _ are saying there's not a figure for next year? — are saying there's not a figure for next year? i— are saying there's not a figure for next year?— are saying there's not a figure for next ear? ., �* ., ., ., , , next year? i don't have it to happen -- havin: next year? i don't have it to happen -- having to — next year? i don't have it to happen -- having to hand. _ next year? i don't have it to happen -- having to hand. there _ next year? i don't have it to happen -- having to hand. there is - next year? i don't have it to happen -- having to hand. there is a - —— having to hand. there is a planning figure but you ask me what i can precisely tell you will happen. i can precisely tell you will ha en. ~ . i can precisely tell you will ha en. . ., ., i can precisely tell you will hauen. . ., ., i can precisely tell you will hauen.~ ., , . happen. what do you expect the backlou happen. what do you expect the backlog to _ happen. what do you expect the backlog to be — happen. what do you expect the backlog to be in _ happen. what do you expect the backlog to be in december- happen. what do you expect the | backlog to be in december 2023. happen. what do you expect the i backlog to be in december 2023. ? arrivals _ backlog to be in december 2023. ? arrivals are — backlog to be in december 2023. ? arrivals are uncertain _ backlog to be in december 2023. ? arrivals are uncertain that - backlog to be in december 2023. ? arrivals are uncertain that the - arrivals are uncertain that the initial asylum backlog is what we are keen to clear over the course of next year and we will do that by tripping the productivity of our caseworkers. do tripping the productivity of our caseworkers.— tripping the productivity of our caseworkers. ,, ., , , caseworkers. do you think anybody will be waiting _ caseworkers. do you think anybody will be waiting more _ caseworkers. do you think anybody will be waiting more than - caseworkers. do you think anybody will be waiting more than six - caseworkers. do you think anybody i will be waiting more than six months

at the _ will be waiting more than six months at the end _ will be waiting more than six months at the end of— will be waiting more than six months at the end of next _ will be waiting more than six months at the end of next year— will be waiting more than six months at the end of next year to _ will be waiting more than six months at the end of next year to have - at the end of next year to have theirm — at the end of next year to have their... �* , .,, at the end of next year to have their... a . ., their... as well as clearing the initial backlog, _ their... as well as clearing the initial backlog, what _ their... as well as clearing the initial backlog, what we - their... as well as clearing the initial backlog, what we are i their... as well as clearing the i initial backlog, what we are keen their... as well as clearing the - initial backlog, what we are keen to do is look at the end to end process, it takes us to process claims and see how we can shrink that and that will. .. at the claims and see how we can shrink that and that will... at the moment, the process is such that it can be used by people to extend it and stretch it out but i want to make sure that system is indeed not being abused or exploited. flan t sure that system is indeed not being abused or exploited.— abused or exploited. can i press you on what you — abused or exploited. can i press you on what you have _ abused or exploited. can i press you on what you have said, _ abused or exploited. can i press you on what you have said, which - abused or exploited. can i press you on what you have said, which is - abused or exploited. can i press you on what you have said, which is thati on what you have said, which is that you are _ on what you have said, which is that you are in _ on what you have said, which is that you are in order— on what you have said, which is that you are in order to _ on what you have said, which is that you are in order to clear— on what you have said, which is that you are in order to clear the - you are in order to clear the backlog, _ you are in order to clear the backlog, double _ you are in order to clear the backlog, double the - you are in order to clear the . backlog, double the workforce, triple _ backlog, double the workforce, triple productivity _ backlog, double the workforce, triple productivity and - backlog, double the workforce, i triple productivity and re—engineer the system? — triple productivity and re—engineer the system? the _ triple productivity and re—engineer the system? the home _ triple productivity and re—engineer the system? the home office - triple productivity and re—engineer- the system? the home office struggle when they— the system? the home office struggle when they make — the system? the home office struggle when they make targets _ the system? the home office struggle when they make targets themselves. i when they make targets themselves. and i when they make targets themselves. and i am _ when they make targets themselves. and i am worried _ when they make targets themselves. and i am worried that— when they make targets themselves. and i am worried that this _ when they make targets themselves. and i am worried that this kind - when they make targets themselves. and i am worried that this kind of- and i am worried that this kind of fairy tale — and i am worried that this kind of fairy tale figure _ and i am worried that this kind of fairy tale figure is _ and i am worried that this kind of fairy tale figure is in— and i am worried that this kind of fairy tale figure is in this. - and i am worried that this kind of fairy tale figure is in this. they. fairy tale figure is in this. they fail to— fairy tale figure is in this. they fail to meet— fairy tale figure is in this. they fail to meet their— fairy tale figure is in this. they fail to meet their target - fairy tale figure is in this. they fail to meet their target of - fairy tale figure is in this. they. fail to meet their target of getting 1000 caseworkers— fail to meet their target of getting 1000 caseworkers in— fail to meet their target of getting 1000 caseworkers in 2021. - fail to meet their target of getting 1000 caseworkers in 2021. 46% i fail to meet their target of gettingi 1000 caseworkers in 2021. 46% of caseworkers — 1000 caseworkers in 2021. 46% of caseworkers left _ 1000 caseworkers in 2021. 46% of caseworkers left in _ 1000 caseworkers in 2021. 46% of caseworkers left in 2021. - 1000 caseworkers in 2021. 46% of caseworkers left in 2021. the - 1000 caseworkers in 2021. 46% of caseworkers left in 2021. the pilot the home — caseworkers left in 2021. the pilot the home office _ caseworkers left in 2021. the pilot the home office having _ caseworkers left in 2021. the pilot

the home office having to- caseworkers left in 2021. the pilot the home office having to do- caseworkers left in 2021. the pilot the home office having to do is. caseworkers left in 2021. the pilot the home office having to do is to increase _ the home office having to do is to increase productivity— the home office having to do is to increase productivity went - the home office having to do is to increase productivity went from i the home office having to do is to| increase productivity went from 1.2 decisions _ increase productivity went from 1.2 decisions per— increase productivity went from 1.2 decisions per week— increase productivity went from 1.2 decisions per week per— increase productivity went from 1.2 decisions per week per caseworkeri increase productivity went from 1.2 i decisions per week per caseworker to a 227 _ decisions per week per caseworker to a 227 per— decisions per week per caseworker to a 22.7 per caseworker— decisions per week per caseworker to a 22.7 per caseworker per— decisions per week per caseworker to a 22.7 per caseworker per week. - decisions per week per caseworker to a 22.7 per caseworker per week. thel a 22.7 per caseworker per week. the it a 22.7 per caseworker per week. the u systems— a 22.7 per caseworker per week. the u systems are — a 22.7 per caseworker per week. the it systems are poor— a 22.7 per caseworker per week. the it systems are poor and _ a 22.7 per caseworker per week. the it systems are poor and the - a 22.7 per caseworker per week. the it systems are poor and the judges i it systems are poor and the judges any case _ it systems are poor and the judges any case just — it systems are poor and the judges any case just yesterday— it systems are poor and the judges any case just yesterday talked - it systems are poor and the judges. any case just yesterday talked about the poor— any case just yesterday talked about the poor administration— any case just yesterday talked about the poor administration in— any case just yesterday talked about the poor administration in the - any case just yesterday talked about the poor administration in the home office _ the poor administration in the home office was— the poor administration in the home office was i— the poor administration in the home office was i wonder— the poor administration in the home office was i wonder what _ the poor administration in the home office was i wonder what evidence i office was i wonder what evidence you have — office was i wonder what evidence you have actually _ office was i wonder what evidence you have actually got _ office was i wonder what evidence you have actually got to _ office was i wonder what evidence you have actually got to base - office was i wonder what evidence you have actually got to base youri you have actually got to base your target _ you have actually got to base your target or— you have actually got to base your target or not — you have actually got to base your target or not being _ you have actually got to base your target or not being able _ you have actually got to base your target or not being able to- you have actually got to base your target or not being able to reducej target or not being able to reduce the asylum — target or not being able to reduce the asylum backlog _ target or not being able to reduce the asylum backlog question- target or not being able to reduce| the asylum backlog question mark target or not being able to reduce - the asylum backlog question mark we have already — the asylum backlog question mark we have already doubled _ the asylum backlog question mark we have already doubled the _ the asylum backlog question mark we have already doubled the case - have already doubled the case working — have already doubled the case working workforce _ have already doubled the case working workforce over- have already doubled the case working workforce over the . have already doubled the case i working workforce over the past have already doubled the case - working workforce over the past 12 months _ working workforce over the past 12 months and — working workforce over the past 12 months and we _ working workforce over the past 12 months and we have _ working workforce over the past 12 months and we have taken - working workforce over the past 12 months and we have taken issues. working workforce over the past 12 i months and we have taken issues two the process— months and we have taken issues two the process and — months and we have taken issues two the process and end. _ months and we have taken issues two the process and end. a— months and we have taken issues two the process and end.— the process and end. a bunch of modelling _ the process and end. a bunch of modelling has _ the process and end. a bunch of modelling has been _ the process and end. a bunch of modelling has been done - the process and end. a bunch of modelling has been done and i the process and end. a bunch of modelling has been done and it| the process and end. a bunch of. modelling has been done and it is relatively sick for —— sophisticated. t relatively sick for -- sophisticated.- relatively sick for -- sophisticated. relatively sick for -- sohisticated. ., ., sophisticated. i only know about the ilot the sophisticated. i only know about the pilot the home _ sophisticated. i only know about the pilot the home office _ sophisticated. i only know about the pilot the home office have - sophisticated. i only know about the pilot the home office have been - pilot the home office have been ruhhihg. — pilot the home office have been ruhhihg. so _ pilot the home office have been running, so there _ pilot the home office have been running, so there is— pilot the home office have been running, so there is something. pilot the home office have been. running, so there is something else question— running, so there is something else question mark— running, so there is something else question mark we _ running, so there is something else question mark we have _ running, so there is something else question mark we have looked - running, so there is something else question mark we have looked at i running, so there is something else. question mark we have looked at the entire _ question mark we have looked at the entire process— question mark we have looked at the entire process end _ question mark we have looked at the entire process end to _ question mark we have looked at the entire process end to end _ question mark we have looked at the entire process end to end and - 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question mark we have looked at the entire process end to end and i —— i entire process end to end and i —— identified — entire process end to end and i —— identified issues— entire process end to end and i —— identified issues that _ entire process end to end and i —— identified issues that we - entire process end to end and i —— identified issues that we can - entire process end to end and i —— i identified issues that we can remove and on _ identified issues that we can remove and on the _ identified issues that we can remove and on the basis _ identified issues that we can remove and on the basis of— identified issues that we can remove and on the basis of modelling - identified issues that we can remove and on the basis of modelling that i and on the basis of modelling that you would — and on the basis of modelling that you would expect _ and on the basis of modelling that you would expect to _ and on the basis of modelling that you would expect to do _ and on the basis of modelling that you would expect to do when - and on the basis of modelling that you would expect to do when you i and on the basis of modelling that i you would expect to do when you are doing _ you would expect to do when you are doing engineering _ doing engineering. it's _ doing engineering. it's hoped - doing engineering. it's hoped the - doing engineering. it's hoped the home doing engineering. - it's hoped the home office doing engineering. _ it's hoped the home office can actually— it's hoped the home office can actually achieve _ it's hoped the home office can actually achieve that. - it's hoped the home office can actually achieve that. i- it's hoped the home office can actually achieve that. i just - it's hoped the home office can. actually achieve that. ijust want to ask— actually achieve that. ijust want to ask you — actually achieve that. ijust want to ask you about _ actually achieve that. ijust want to ask you about rwanda. - actually achieve that. ijust want to ask you about rwanda. what. actually achieve that. i just want i to ask you about rwanda. what is actually achieve that. i just want - to ask you about rwanda. what is the actual— to ask you about rwanda. what is the actual target — to ask you about rwanda. what is the actual target for— to ask you about rwanda. what is the actual target for how _ to ask you about rwanda. what is the actual target for how many _ to ask you about rwanda. what is the actual target for how many people - actual target for how many people you are _ actual target for how many people you are planning _ actual target for how many people you are planning to— actual target for how many people you are planning to send - actual target for how many people you are planning to send to - actual target for how many people. you are planning to send to rwanda by the _ you are planning to send to rwanda by the end — you are planning to send to rwanda by the end of— you are planning to send to rwanda by the end of 2023 _ you are planning to send to rwanda by the end of 2023 question - you are planning to send to rwanda by the end of 2023 question mark i you are planning to send to rwanda i by the end of 2023 question mark we expect— by the end of 2023 question mark we expect further— by the end of 2023 question mark we expect further legal— by the end of 2023 question mark we expect further legal challenge - by the end of 2023 question mark we expect further legal challenge and i expect further legal challenge and we will_ expect further legal challenge and we will see — expect further legal challenge and we will see that _ expect further legal challenge and we will see that as _ expect further legal challenge and we will see that as necessary- expect further legal challenge and we will see that as necessary andl expect further legal challenge and i we will see that as necessary and it is one _ we will see that as necessary and it is one of— we will see that as necessary and it is one of the — we will see that as necessary and it is one of the many— we will see that as necessary and it is one of the many things _ we will see that as necessary and it is one of the many things we - we will see that as necessary and it is one of the many things we will i is one of the many things we will want _ is one of the many things we will want tom — want to... you - want to... you don'tl want to... - you don't have a want to... — you don't have a figure? the rwanda government— you don't have a figure? the rwanda government are _ you don't have a figure? the rwanda government are talking _ you don't have a figure? the rwanda government are talking about - you don't have a figure? the rwanda government are talking about 200. l you don't have a figure? the rwandai government are talking about 200. [it is a government are talking about 200. is a commercial contract. but what we are keen to do is have a system which we move to where someone comes here illegally, they don't have the right to stay and we have the right to remove them. i welcome the fact that the code recognise the policy... that the code recognise the oli ~ . , , that the code recognise the oli ...~ . , , policy... what is the budget you have allocated _ policy... what is the budget you have allocated for _ policy... what is the budget you have allocated for the _ policy... what is the budget you have allocated for the policy? i l

have allocated for the policy? [ think have allocated for the policy? think we have so clearly there have allocated for the policy?" think we have so clearly there is £120 million payment therefore economic development. that has already been _ economic development. that has already been paid, _ economic development. that has already been paid, and _ economic development. that has already been paid, and an - economic development. that has i already been paid, and an additional 20 million — already been paid, and an additional 20 million. 140, _ already been paid, and an additional 20 million. 140, that— already been paid, and an additional 20 million. 140, that is— already been paid, and an additional 20 million. 140, that is it? - already been paid, and an additional 20 million. 140, that is it? there- 20 million. 140, that is it? there is nothing _ 20 million. 140, that is it? there is nothing else — 20 million. 140, that is it? there is nothing else that we have - is nothing else that we have said publicly. d0 is nothing else that we have said ublicl . ,, ~ is nothing else that we have said ublicl . i. ~ , . publicly. do you think the permanent secretary was — publicly. do you think the permanent secretary was right _ publicly. do you think the permanent secretary was right to _ publicly. do you think the permanent secretary was right to actually - publicly. do you think the permanent secretary was right to actually say i secretary was right to actually say there _ secretary was right to actually say there was — secretary was right to actually say there was no _ secretary was right to actually say there was no evidence _ secretary was right to actually say there was no evidence of- secretary was right to actually say there was no evidence of value i secretary was right to actually say| there was no evidence of value for money— there was no evidence of value for money with— there was no evidence of value for money with the _ there was no evidence of value for money with the ruling _ there was no evidence of value for money with the ruling —— - there was no evidence of value for money with the ruling —— the - there was no evidence of value for. money with the ruling —— the rwanda scheme? _ money with the ruling —— the rwanda scheme? l— money with the ruling -- the rwanda scheme? , , , , . scheme? i believe it represents an im ortant scheme? i believe it represents an important part _ scheme? i believe it represents an important part of— scheme? i believe it represents an important part of our— scheme? i believe it represents an important part of our plan - scheme? i believe it represents an important part of our plan to - scheme? i believe it represents an| important part of our plan to tackle immigration. it is not the only part of it but it is an important part of it and of it but it is an important part of itandi of it but it is an important part of it and i welcome the court decision yesterday. it and i welcome the court decision esterda . ~ , , ., . yesterday. prime minister, you have said that the — yesterday. prime minister, you have said that the aim _ yesterday. prime minister, you have said that the aim is _ yesterday. prime minister, you have said that the aim is that _ yesterday. prime minister, you have said that the aim is that anybody - said that the aim is that anybody arriving — said that the aim is that anybody arriving here illegally will not stay — arriving here illegally will not stay here. and some lawyers are advising — stay here. and some lawyers are advising you that can be done without— advising you that can be done without setting aside any aspects of the human rights act, others are saving _ the human rights act, others are saying it cannot be done. how are you going — saying it cannot be done. how are you going tojudge that question because — you going tojudge that question because if you take the wrong advice. — because if you take the wrong advice, and they keep arriving, and

staying. _ advice, and they keep arriving, and staying, that won't add much credibility to your objectives? we credibility to your ob'ectives? we will credibility to your objectives? - will introduce legislation in the new year which will achieve the aim that i set out. and the legislation is one part of an overall plan that i have set out recently and i am confident that we can deliver on that plan and it will make a difference and reduce the number of boats arriving. find difference and reduce the number of boats arriving-— boats arriving. and on the quest you -- question — boats arriving. and on the quest you -- question on _ boats arriving. and on the quest you -- question on that _ boats arriving. and on the quest you -- question on that issue? - boats arriving. and on the quest you -- question on that issue? we - boats arriving. and on the quest you -- question on that issue? we will. -- question on that issue? we will deliver on — -- question on that issue? we will deliver on the _ -- question on that issue? we will deliver on the system _ -- question on that issue? we will deliver on the system that - -- question on that issue? we will deliver on the system that i - -- question on that issue? we will deliver on the system that i said . -- question on that issue? we will deliver on the system that i said i | deliver on the system that i said i would. . , , . deliver on the system that i said i would. , . ., deliver on the system that i said i would. . , , . ., ., ., would. anybody else want to follow that one up? _ would. anybody else want to follow that one up? i— would. anybody else want to follow that one up? i am _ would. anybody else want to follow that one up? i am going _ would. anybody else want to follow that one up? i am going to - would. anybody else want to follow that one up? i am going to ask- would. anybody else want to follow that one up? i am going to ask you | that one up? i am going to ask you cuestions that one up? i am going to ask you questions about _ that one up? i am going to ask you questions about environmental - questions about environmental commitments— questions about environmental commitments and _ questions about environmental commitments and how - questions about environmental commitments and how you - questions about environmental commitments and how you will questions about environmental- commitments and how you will deliver them _ commitments and how you will deliver them following — commitments and how you will deliver them. following the _ commitments and how you will deliver them. following the conclusion - commitments and how you will deliver them. following the conclusion of - them. following the conclusion of them. following the conclusion of the c0p27 — them. following the conclusion of the cop27 conference, _ them. following the conclusion of the cop27 conference, which- them. following the conclusion of the cop27 conference, which i- them. following the conclusion of| the cop27 conference, which i was pleased _ the cop27 conference, which i was pleased to — the cop27 conference, which i was pleased to attend, _ the cop27 conference, which i was pleased to attend, i— the cop27 conference, which i was pleased to attend, i ask _ the cop27 conference, which i was pleased to attend, i ask you - the cop27 conference, which i was pleased to attend, i ask you on - the cop27 conference, which i was| pleased to attend, i ask you on the floor of— pleased to attend, i ask you on the floor of the — pleased to attend, i ask you on the floor of the house _ pleased to attend, i ask you on the floor of the house how— pleased to attend, i ask you on the floor of the house how you - pleased to attend, i ask you on the floor of the house how you were i floor of the house how you were going _ floor of the house how you were going to — floor of the house how you were going to personally _ floor of the house how you were going to personally ensure - floor of the house how you were going to personally ensure thatl floor of the house how you were l going to personally ensure that as the structures— going to personally ensure that as the structures will— going to personally ensure that as the structures will cop27 - going to personally ensure that as the structures will cop27 were - the structures will cop27 were dismantled _ the structures will cop27 were dismantled and _ the structures will cop27 were dismantled and the _ the structures will cop27 were dismantled and the teams - the structures will cop27 were dismantled and the teams and structures— dismantled and the teams and structures of— dismantled and the teams and structures of government - dismantled and the teams and | structures of government were changing, — structures of government were

changing, how— structures of government were changing, how would - structures of government were changing, how would you - structures of government were i changing, how would you deliver structures of government were - changing, how would you deliver our contrihutions— changing, how would you deliver our contributions and _ changing, how would you deliver our contributions and you _ changing, how would you deliver our contributions and you said _ changing, how would you deliver our contributions and you said you - changing, how would you deliver our| contributions and you said you would personally _ contributions and you said you would personally drive _ contributions and you said you would personally drive it _ contributions and you said you would personally drive it through _ personally drive it through government. _ personally drive it through government. how- personally drive it through government. how are - personally drive it through government. how are you | personally drive it through - government. how are you doing personally drive it through _ government. how are you doing that? a couple _ government. how are you doing that? a couple of— government. how are you doing that? a couple of things. _ government. how are you doing that? a couple of things, first— government. how are you doing that? a couple of things, first of— government. how are you doing that? a couple of things, first of all- a couple of things, first of all that cabinet committee, those decisions still come to me as part of the collective agreement process. i am the ultimate decision—maker. the second thing, the number ten team are involved in all aspects of it, whether that is my office sitting on that committee specifically, the delivery, the process currently going over all the targets we have and the policy involving departments and the third thing i would say is again, judge me by my actions, in eight weeks i have already worked closely with cabinet ministers on various aspects, whether it is on and offshore wind, nuclear and energy efficiency. i have been involved as we have been developing policy. the have been involved as we have been developing policy-— developing policy. the government lost a case in _

developing policy. the government lost a case in the _ developing policy. the government lost a case in the high _ developing policy. the government lost a case in the high court - developing policy. the government lost a case in the high court in - lost a case in the high court in relation — lost a case in the high court in relation to— lost a case in the high court in relation to its _ lost a case in the high court in relation to its net _ lost a case in the high court in relation to its net zero - lost a case in the high court in. relation to its net zero strategy. ayo involved _ relation to its net zero strategy. ayo involved in _ relation to its net zero strategy. ayo involved in the _ relation to its net zero strategy. ayo involved in the review- relation to its net zero strategy. ayo involved in the review to . ayo involved in the review to refresh — ayo involved in the review to refresh that _ ayo involved in the review to refresh that strategy - ayo involved in the review to refresh that strategy by - ayo involved in the review to refresh that strategy by the i ayo involved in the review to i refresh that strategy by the end ayo involved in the review to - refresh that strategy by the end of march _ refresh that strategy by the end of march guestion _ refresh that strategy by the end of march question mark— refresh that strategy by the end of march question mark yes, - refresh that strategy by the end of march question mark yes, i- refresh that strategy by the end of march question mark yes, i will. refresh that strategy by the end ofj march question mark yes, i will be doing _ march question mark yes, i will be doing that — march question mark yes, i will be doing that over— march question mark yes, i will be doing that over the _ march question mark yes, i will be doing that over the christmas - doing that over the christmas holidays _ doing that over the christmas holidays as— doing that over the christmas holidays as we _ doing that over the christmas holidays as we intend - doing that over the christmas holidays as we intend to - doing that over the christmas holidays as we intend to do. i doing that over the christmas . holidays as we intend to do. we intend to holidays as we intend to do. intend to respond to the high holidays as we intend to do.“ intend to respond to the high court demand and the net zero review, we would like to do that ideally together. i will be going over that. he is a valued member of our committee. _ he is a valued member of our committee. so— he is a valued member of our committee, so we _ he is a valued member of our committee, so we will - he is a valued member of our committee, so we will be - he is a valued member of our| committee, so we will be glad he is a valued member of our. committee, so we will be glad to he is a valued member of our- committee, so we will be glad to get him back— committee, so we will be glad to get him back when— committee, so we will be glad to get him back when that _ committee, so we will be glad to get him back when that work _ committee, so we will be glad to get him back when that work is - committee, so we will be glad to get him back when that work is finished. | him back when that work is finished. are you _ him back when that work is finished. are you receiving _ him back when that work is finished. are you receiving regular— him back when that work is finished. are you receiving regular updates? i are you receiving regular updates? yes, _ are you receiving regular updates? yes. i_ are you receiving regular updates? yes. iwill— are you receiving regular updates? yes. i will be — are you receiving regular updates? yes, i will be reviewing _ are you receiving regular updates? yes, i will be reviewing all - are you receiving regular updates? yes, i will be reviewing all of - are you receiving regular updates? yes, i will be reviewing all of that i yes, i will be reviewing all of that over christmas. the yes, i will be reviewing all of that over christmas.— over christmas. the cop15 'ust finished in fl over christmas. the cop15 'ust finished in montreal. �* over christmas. the cop15 'ust finished in montreal. ourh finished in montreal. our commitments— finished in montreal. our commitments include - finished in montreal. our— commitments include amendments to protect— commitments include amendments to protect habitats — commitments include amendments to protect habitats and _ commitments include amendments to protect habitats and species. - commitments include amendments to protect habitats and species. how- commitments include amendments to protect habitats and species. how doi protect habitats and species. how do you intend _ protect habitats and species. how do you intend to — protect habitats and species. how do you intend to deliver _ protect habitats and species. how do you intend to deliver on _ protect habitats and species. how do you intend to deliver on those - you intend to deliver on those targets — you intend to deliver on those targets by—

you intend to deliver on those targets by 2030? _ you intend to deliver on those targets by 2030? if— you intend to deliver on those targets by 2030?— you intend to deliver on those taruets b 2030? i. ., �* targets by 2030? if you don't mind, phili - , targets by 2030? if you don't mind, phili, i targets by 2030? if you don't mind, philip. 1 would _ targets by 2030? if you don't mind, philip, i would like _ targets by 2030? if you don't mind, philip, i would like to _ targets by 2030? if you don't mind, philip, i would like to pay _ targets by 2030? if you don't mind, philip, i would like to pay tribute . philip, i would like to pay tribute to therese coffey and zac goldsmith and the rest of the team for their effort, something everybody can be proud of, the uk devastated real leadership. we put nature of the heart of our climate objectives and i think we have followed that up in montreal and that was recognised by leaders around the world. in terms of delivery on it, i think what we will have is an environmental improvement plan which will be published early in 2023, which will mean that progress can be monitored and we can be accountable for the actions. we have a set of targets recently published as part of our environment act and i are excited to get on and deliver that and make an enormous difference and it is something where we are unequivocally leading the world in. i something where we are unequivocally leading the world in.— leading the world in. i think we are leadin: leading the world in. i think we are leading the — leading the world in. i think we are leading the world _ leading the world in. i think we are leading the world in _ leading the world in. i think we are

leading the world in designating i leading the world in designating areas _ leading the world in designating areas but — leading the world in designating areas but only— leading the world in designating areas but only land _ leading the world in designating areas but only land we - leading the world in designating areas but only land we are - areas but only land we are responsible _ areas but only land we are responsible for— areas but only land we are responsible for much - areas but only land we are responsible for much less| areas but only land we are . responsible for much less so areas but only land we are - responsible for much less so on enforcement _ responsible for much less so on enforcement. there _ responsible for much less so on enforcement. there have - responsible for much less so on enforcement. there have beeni enforcement. there have been concerns— enforcement. there have been concerns that _ enforcement. there have been concerns that the _ enforcement. there have been concerns that the enforcementj enforcement. there have been . concerns that the enforcement of enforcement. there have been - concerns that the enforcement of our regulatory— concerns that the enforcement of our regulatory agencies— concerns that the enforcement of our regulatory agencies lacks _ concerns that the enforcement of our regulatory agencies lacks teeth - concerns that the enforcement of our regulatory agencies lacks teeth and l regulatory agencies lacks teeth and resources _ regulatory agencies lacks teeth and resources and — regulatory agencies lacks teeth and resources and lax _ regulatory agencies lacks teeth and resources and lax enforcement. - regulatory agencies lacks teeth and | resources and lax enforcement. are you able _ resources and lax enforcement. are you able to — resources and lax enforcement. are you able to respond _ resources and lax enforcement. are you able to respond to _ resources and lax enforcement. are you able to respond to that - resources and lax enforcement. are you able to respond to that by - you able to respond to that by providing _ you able to respond to that by providing more _ you able to respond to that by providing more resources? . you able to respond to that by providing more resources? i. you able to respond to that by i providing more resources? lam“ you able to respond to that by providing more resources? i am not a million with — providing more resources? i am not a million with the _ providing more resources? i am not a million with the specific _ providing more resources? i am not a million with the specific concern. - providing more resources? i am not a million with the specific concern. i - million with the specific concern. i know certainly on water pollution and sewage for example, we have given ofwat considerably more powers as part of the legislation we passed with fines of up to £250 million at the outset, which is an example of us beefing up the regulators where we think there is a problems of it is not some thing we have shied away from. it is something i am happy to keep an eye on. i would disagree with you, we need to be able to enforce the rules that we have set and that is what we have done with ofwat. i would

and that is what we have done with ofwat. iwould happily look and that is what we have done with ofwat. i would happily look at that, as would the secretary of state if appropriate. as would the secretary of state if appropriate-— as would the secretary of state if auroriate. . , . appropriate. thank you very much. economic issues _ appropriate. thank you very much. economic issues now. _ appropriate. thank you very much. economic issues now. prime - appropriate. thank you very much. i economic issues now. prime minister, inflation is clearly _ economic issues now. prime minister, inflation is clearly the _ economic issues now. prime minister, inflation is clearly the biggest - inflation is clearly the biggest economic— inflation is clearly the biggest economic challenge _ inflation is clearly the biggest economic challenge facing - inflation is clearly the biggest| economic challenge facing our country— economic challenge facing our country at _ economic challenge facing our country at the _ economic challenge facing our country at the moment - economic challenge facing our country at the moment and i economic challenge facing ourl country at the moment and the economic challenge facing our - country at the moment and the blame for that— country at the moment and the blame for that most— country at the moment and the blame for that most of— country at the moment and the blame for that most of it _ country at the moment and the blame for that most of it can _ country at the moment and the blame for that most of it can be _ country at the moment and the blame for that most of it can be squarely- for that most of it can be squarely laid at _ for that most of it can be squarely laid at the — for that most of it can be squarely laid at the doors _ for that most of it can be squarely laid at the doors of _ for that most of it can be squarely laid at the doors of the _ for that most of it can be squarely laid at the doors of the kremlin. l laid at the doors of the kremlin. but when — laid at the doors of the kremlin. but when you _ laid at the doors of the kremlin. but when you were _ laid at the doors of the kremlin. but when you were chancellor, i laid at the doors of the kremlin. - but when you were chancellor, there clearly _ but when you were chancellor, there clearly were — but when you were chancellor, there clearly were inflationary _ but when you were chancellor, there clearly were inflationary pressures i clearly were inflationary pressures emerging — clearly were inflationary pressures emerging before _ clearly were inflationary pressures emerging before the _ clearly were inflationary pressures emerging before the invasion - clearly were inflationary pressures emerging before the invasion of. emerging before the invasion of ukraine — emerging before the invasion of ukraine and _ emerging before the invasion of ukraine and the _ emerging before the invasion of ukraine and the bank— emerging before the invasion of ukraine and the bank of- emerging before the invasion of| ukraine and the bank of england emerging before the invasion of- ukraine and the bank of england was running _ ukraine and the bank of england was running a _ ukraine and the bank of england was running a monetary— ukraine and the bank of england was running a monetary policy _ ukraine and the bank of england was running a monetary policy that - ukraine and the bank of england was running a monetary policy that you . running a monetary policy that you were _ running a monetary policy that you were running — running a monetary policy that you were running a— running a monetary policy that you were running a fiscal— running a monetary policy that you were running a fiscal policy. - running a monetary policy that you were running a fiscal policy. can i were running a fiscal policy. can you tell— were running a fiscal policy. can you tell us — were running a fiscal policy. can you tell us what _ were running a fiscal policy. can you tell us what you _ were running a fiscal policy. can you tell us what you most - were running a fiscal policy. can| you tell us what you most regret about _ you tell us what you most regret about your — you tell us what you most regret about your time _ you tell us what you most regret about your time as _ you tell us what you most regret about your time as chancellor? i about your time as chancellor? actually— about your time as chancellor? actually when _ about your time as chancellor? actually when it _ about your time as chancellor? actually when it comes - about your time as chancellor? actually when it comes to - about your time as chancellor? | actually when it comes to fiscal policy, i think... actually when it comes to fiscal policy, ithink... i actually when it comes to fiscal policy, i think... i was getting criticism for tightening fiscal policy ahead of others. because i was specifically made the point about inflation and interest rate risks at a time many people were

telling the eye could rely on rock bottom infrastructure interest rates for ever and borrowing was fine and we liked and i did nothing that was right and i said it was not right and that is why i talked about it towards the end of 2020 and in spring 2021 introduced a set of measures to putting public finances on a much more sustainable track and over time, on a much more sustainable track and overtime, many on a much more sustainable track and over time, many people have said we were the first country of —— to do that. i think i am proud of the record that i have, no one gets it perfectly right. i am not pretending i did. but i do think that we were right to identify that as a risk and take steps earlier than others did. in terms of the regret i have, the thing that was more apparent with hindsight that is still a tricky thing to fix and it may be that stephen wants to talk about it later is in activity. what was going on in the labour market caught everyone by

surprise and again, all very well in hindsight, but at the time, everyone thought when pharaoh ended and things that that, they would be mass employment and i was getting criticism for ending furlough, but theissue criticism for ending furlough, but the issue was the labour market was not as large as we would have liked to have been. if we had known about that early, i am wondering if there were things i could have been done to stop people because it is better to stop people because it is better to get them not to leave the market than to try and attract them back. there are not easy and obvious answers to that is something we need to address now. you answers to that is something we need to address now.— to address now. you do know about that issue now— to address now. you do know about that issue now and _ to address now. you do know about that issue now and the _ to address now. you do know about that issue now and the chancellor. that issue now and the chancellor and the _ that issue now and the chancellor and the autumn _ that issue now and the chancellor and the autumn statement - that issue now and the chancellor- and the autumn statement announce next year's _ and the autumn statement announce next year's cost — and the autumn statement announce next year's cost of _ and the autumn statement announce next year's cost of living _ and the autumn statement announce next year's cost of living payment - next year's cost of living payment of £900. — next year's cost of living payment of £900. the _ next year's cost of living payment of £900, the committee - next year's cost of living payment. of £900, the committee welcomes next year's cost of living payment - of £900, the committee welcomes the fact that _ of £900, the committee welcomes the fact that has _ of £900, the committee welcomes the fact that has been _ of £900, the committee welcomes the fact that has been increased _ of £900, the committee welcomes the fact that has been increased and - fact that has been increased and announced. _ fact that has been increased and announced, but— fact that has been increased and announced, but it _ fact that has been increased and announced, but it will— fact that has been increased and announced, but it will apply- fact that has been increased and announced, but it will apply to l fact that has been increased and i announced, but it will apply to only those _ announced, but it will apply to only those on _ announced, but it will apply to only those on means— announced, but it will apply to only those on means tested _ announced, but it will apply to only those on means tested benefits, i those on means tested benefits, which _ those on means tested benefits, which means— those on means tested benefits, which means that _ those on means tested benefits, which means that someone - those on means tested benefits, which means that someone who| those on means tested benefits, - which means that someone who moves out of— which means that someone who moves out of that— which means that someone who moves out of that means _ which means that someone who moves out of that means test _ which means that someone who moves out of that means test and _ which means that someone who moves out of that means test and earns - which means that someone who moves out of that means test and earns £1 - out of that means test and earns £1 extra _ out of that means test and earns £1

extra will— out of that means test and earns £1 extra will lose — out of that means test and earns £1 extra will lose £900 _ out of that means test and earns £1 extra will lose £900 in _ out of that means test and earns £1 extra will lose £900 in terms - out of that means test and earns £1 extra will lose £900 in terms of - extra will lose £900 in terms of that cost — extra will lose £900 in terms of that cost of— extra will lose £900 in terms of that cost of living _ extra will lose £900 in terms of that cost of living payment, - extra will lose £900 in terms of that cost of living payment, sol extra will lose £900 in terms of. that cost of living payment, so that is a ridiculous— that cost of living payment, so that is a ridiculous cliff _ that cost of living payment, so that is a ridiculous cliff edge _ that cost of living payment, so that is a ridiculous cliff edge that - is a ridiculous cliff edge that plausibly— is a ridiculous cliff edge that plausibly you _ is a ridiculous cliff edge that plausibly you are _ is a ridiculous cliff edge that plausibly you are now- is a ridiculous cliff edge that. plausibly you are now making is a ridiculous cliff edge that - plausibly you are now making into the system — plausibly you are now making into the system that _ plausibly you are now making into the system that could _ plausibly you are now making into the system that could act - plausibly you are now making into the system that could act as - plausibly you are now making into the system that could act as a - plausibly you are now making into| the system that could act as a way in which _ the system that could act as a way in which people _ the system that could act as a way in which people could _ the system that could act as a way in which people could be - the system that could act as a way in which people could be very- the system that could act as a wayl in which people could be very much this incentivised _ in which people could be very much this incentivised from _ in which people could be very much this incentivised from entering - in which people could be very much this incentivised from entering thei this incentivised from entering the labour— this incentivised from entering the labour market _ this incentivised from entering the labour market at _ this incentivised from entering the labour market at a _ this incentivised from entering the labour market at a higher - this incentivised from entering the labour market at a higher pay - this incentivised from entering the labour market at a higher pay and j this incentivised from entering the i labour market at a higher pay and we publish _ labour market at a higher pay and we publish a _ labour market at a higher pay and we publish a report — labour market at a higher pay and we publish a report last _ labour market at a higher pay and we publish a report last week— labour market at a higher pay and we publish a report last week on - labour market at a higher pay and we publish a report last week on that, i publish a report last week on that, recommending _ publish a report last week on that, recommending that— publish a report last week on that, recommending that those - publish a report last week on that, recommending that those cliff - publish a report last week on that, l recommending that those cliff edges be dealt _ recommending that those cliff edges be dealt with— recommending that those cliff edges be dealt with and _ recommending that those cliff edges be dealt with and do _ recommending that those cliff edges be dealt with and do you _ recommending that those cliff edges be dealt with and do you support - recommending that those cliff edges be dealt with and do you support our recommendations? _ when you are dispensing that kind of support, a third of all households are in receipt of it, so you have to do things that are operationally deliverable and simple, but i acknowledge the point that where you have an eligibility criteria, it will not be perfect, but there are three things, it is not a single payment, partly to address the concern you have raised, it is two payments split so that means people

who flow in and out of benefits as some people do, have a couple of bytes at the apple. there is a question of operational delivery, without people waiting a long time, and the second thing is you can also appeal your benefit entitlement on the qualifying date, if it is found to have been successful you will have a backdated payment, the third thing to remember, there is a significant discretionary element through the households is a book fund of an extra billion pounds which is deliberately in place to pick up those hard cases so those are three significant mitigations against the concern that you have and nothing is going to be perfect, when you come to these things, it is a trade—off between what is deliverable and how we balance the different things that we have to do. speaking of things not being perfect, baked into the chancellor's autumn statement _ perfect, baked into the chancellor's autumn statement is _ perfect, baked into the chancellor's autumn statement is the _ perfect, baked into the chancellor's i autumn statement is the assumption that fuel— autumn statement is the assumption that fuel duty— autumn statement is the assumption that fuel duty will— autumn statement is the assumption that fuel duty will rise _

autumn statement is the assumption that fuel duty will rise by _ autumn statement is the assumption that fuel duty will rise by 12p - autumn statement is the assumption that fuel duty will rise by 12p in - that fuel duty will rise by 12p in the spring _ that fuel duty will rise by 12p in the spring will— that fuel duty will rise by 12p in the spring. will you _ that fuel duty will rise by 12p in the spring. will you want- that fuel duty will rise by 12p in the spring. will you want to - that fuel duty will rise by 12p in - the spring. will you want to confirm that is— the spring. will you want to confirm that is not— the spring. will you want to confirm that is not going _ the spring. will you want to confirm that is not going to— the spring. will you want to confirm that is not going to happen? - the spring. will you want to confirm that is not going to happen?- that is not going to happen? having reviousl that is not going to happen? having previously had _ that is not going to happen? having previously had his _ that is not going to happen? having previously had his job _ that is not going to happen? having previously had his job i _ that is not going to happen? having previously had his job i always - previously had his job i always prefer it when the prime minister made no comment about future tax policy and so i will adhere to that. it is £6 billion per year during a cost _ it is £6 billion per year during a cost of— it is £6 billion per year during a cost of living _ it is £6 billion per year during a cost of living crisis _ it is £6 billion per year during a cost of living crisis so _ it is £6 billion per year during a cost of living crisis so you - it is £6 billion per year during a cost of living crisis so you are l it is £6 billion per year during a i cost of living crisis so you are not going _ cost of living crisis so you are not going to — cost of living crisis so you are not going to let — cost of living crisis so you are not going to let the _ cost of living crisis so you are not going to let the chancellor- cost of living crisis so you are not going to let the chancellor get i cost of living crisis so you are not. going to let the chancellor get away with 12p— going to let the chancellor get away with 12p per— going to let the chancellor get away with 12p per litre _ going to let the chancellor get away with 12p per litre more? _ going to let the chancellor get away with 12p per litre more? i— going to let the chancellor get away with 12p per litre more? [will- going to let the chancellor get away with 12p per litre more?— with 12p per litre more? i will let the chancellor _ with 12p per litre more? i will let the chancellor make _ with 12p per litre more? i will let the chancellor make fiscal - with 12p per litre more? i will let. the chancellor make fiscal decisions and announce that in due course. but as ou and announce that in due course. but as you pointed out as chancellor, you had _ as you pointed out as chancellor, you had to — as you pointed out as chancellor, you had to deal— as you pointed out as chancellor, you had to deal with _ as you pointed out as chancellor, you had to deal with the - as you pointed out as chancellor, you had to deal with the fact - as you pointed out as chancellor, you had to deal with the fact thatj you had to deal with the fact that these _ you had to deal with the fact that these are — you had to deal with the fact that these are baked _ you had to deal with the fact that these are baked into— you had to deal with the fact that these are baked into the - you had to deal with the fact thatl these are baked into the numbers you had to deal with the fact that - these are baked into the numbers and these are baked into the numbers and the new— these are baked into the numbers and the new -- _ these are baked into the numbers and the new -- and— these are baked into the numbers and the new —— and then _ these are baked into the numbers and the new —— and then you _ these are baked into the numbers and the new —— and then you have - these are baked into the numbers and the new —— and then you have to- the new —— and then you have to reverse — the new —— and then you have to reverse them. _ the new —— and then you have to reverse them, do— the new —— and then you have to reverse them, do you _ the new —— and then you have to reverse them, do you think- the new —— and then you have to reverse them, do you think we l the new —— and then you have to- reverse them, do you think we should have a _ reverse them, do you think we should have a better— reverse them, do you think we should have a better approach _ reverse them, do you think we should have a better approach to _ reverse them, do you think we should have a better approach to fuel - reverse them, do you think we should have a better approach to fuel duty? i have a better approach to fuel duty? i have a better approach to fuel duty? i would _ have a better approach to fuel duty? i would say— have a better approach to fuel duty? i would say the — have a better approach to fuel duty? i would say the same _ have a better approach to fuel duty? i would say the same thing, - have a better approach to fuel duty? i would say the same thing, tax - i would say the same thing, tax decisions are those that are made by the chancellor in fiscal statements and that is the way it should be. moving on to something that is definitely— moving on to something that is definitely in _ moving on to something that is definitely in your— moving on to something that is| definitely in your responsibility, the refinancing _ definitely in your responsibility,

the refinancing of— definitely in your responsibility, the refinancing of ukraine - definitely in your responsibility, the refinancing of ukraine and l definitely in your responsibility, . the refinancing of ukraine and the assets _ the refinancing of ukraine and the assets that — the refinancing of ukraine and the assets that we _ the refinancing of ukraine and the assets that we have _ the refinancing of ukraine and the assets that we have rightly - assets that we have rightly sanctioned _ assets that we have rightly sanctioned in _ assets that we have rightly sanctioned in the - assets that we have rightly sanctioned in the uk, - assets that we have rightly sanctioned in the uk, so. assets that we have rightly i sanctioned in the uk, so what assets that we have rightly - sanctioned in the uk, so what is your— sanctioned in the uk, so what is your view— sanctioned in the uk, so what is your view at— sanctioned in the uk, so what is your view at this _ sanctioned in the uk, so what is your view at this moment - sanctioned in the uk, so what is your view at this moment about| sanctioned in the uk, so what is- your view at this moment about how the uk _ your view at this moment about how the uk can— your view at this moment about how the uk can play— your view at this moment about how the uk can playa— your view at this moment about how the uk can play a leading _ your view at this moment about how the uk can play a leading role - your view at this moment about how the uk can play a leading role in - the uk can play a leading role in helping — the uk can play a leading role in helping to— the uk can play a leading role in helping to raise _ the uk can play a leading role in helping to raise the _ the uk can play a leading role in helping to raise the finance - the uk can play a leading role in helping to raise the finance to l helping to raise the finance to rebuild — helping to raise the finance to rebuild ukraine _ helping to raise the finance to rebuild ukraine including- rebuild ukraine including potentially _ rebuild ukraine including potentially of _ rebuild ukraine including potentially of the - rebuild ukraine includingj potentially of the central rebuild ukraine including- potentially of the central bank of russia? — potentially of the central bank of russia? alto— potentially of the central bank of russia? ~ . , . . russia? we have played a leading role so far through _ russia? we have played a leading role so far through leveraging - role so far through leveraging multinational development bank financing 1.25 billion, that has been unlocked from the bank and others as a result of our guarantees and other support which is something we will look to continue to do more of it we are hosting a construction conference this year. next year, i mean. ., . ., ~ . mean. now we have the work and ensions mean. now we have the work and pensions chair — mean. now we have the work and pensions chair stephen _ mean. now we have the work and pensions chair stephen timms. i mean. now we have the work and | pensions chair stephen timms. do pensions chair stephen timms. nobody's pensions chair stephen timms. do nobody's surprise, the demand for food banks— nobody's surprise, the demand for food banks rose _ nobody's surprise, the demand for food banks rose last— nobody's surprise, the demand for food banks rose last year- nobody's surprise, the demand for food banks rose last year and - nobody's surprise, the demand for food banks rose last year and you i food banks rose last year and you are operating _

food banks rose last year and you are operating benefits _ food banks rose last year and you are operating benefits in - food banks rose last year and you are operating benefits in line - food banks rose last year and youj are operating benefits in line with inflation _ are operating benefits in line with inflation will— are operating benefits in line with inflation will help _ are operating benefits in line with inflation will help that _ are operating benefits in line with inflation will help that doesn't - are operating benefits in line withj inflation will help that doesn't get much _ inflation will help that doesn't get much worse — inflation will help that doesn't get much worse next _ inflation will help that doesn't get much worse next year _ inflation will help that doesn't get much worse next year but - inflation will help that doesn't get much worse next year but you - inflation will help that doesn't geti much worse next year but you said inflation will help that doesn't get. much worse next year but you said at the conservative _ much worse next year but you said at the conservative party— much worse next year but you said at the conservative party leadership - the conservative party leadership contest _ the conservative party leadership contest that — the conservative party leadership contest that you _ the conservative party leadership contest that you want _ the conservative party leadership contest that you want to - the conservative party leadership contest that you want to build - the conservative party leadership contest that you want to build a l contest that you want to build a country — contest that you want to build a country where _ contest that you want to build a country where ideally _ contest that you want to build a country where ideally nobody i contest that you want to build a - country where ideally nobody needs to use _ country where ideally nobody needs to use a _ country where ideally nobody needs to use a food — country where ideally nobody needs to use a food bank, _ country where ideally nobody needs to use a food bank, is _ country where ideally nobody needs to use a food bank, is that- country where ideally nobody needs to use a food bank, is that a - to use a food bank, is that a realistic— to use a food bank, is that a realistic prospect? - to use a food bank, is that a realistic prospect? [- to use a food bank, is that a realistic prospect?— to use a food bank, is that a realistic prospect? i would like to think so. realistic prospect? i would like to think so- as _ realistic prospect? i would like to think so. as i _ realistic prospect? i would like to think so. as i said _ realistic prospect? i would like to think so. as i said at _ realistic prospect? i would like to think so. as i said at the - realistic prospect? i would like to think so. as i said at the time, i realistic prospect? i would like to l think so. as i said at the time, and i'm happy to repeat, it is sad that anyone needs to use a food bank but at the same time i'm grateful to the people that provide those services, and it is very important and i'm grateful that they do. haifa and it is very important and i'm grateful that they do. how long do ou think grateful that they do. how long do you think it — grateful that they do. how long do you think it will _ grateful that they do. how long do you think it will take _ grateful that they do. how long do you think it will take to _ grateful that they do. how long do you think it will take to end - grateful that they do. how long do you think it will take to end the . you think it will take to end the need _ you think it will take to end the need for— you think it will take to end the need for food _ you think it will take to end the need for food banks? _ you think it will take to end the need for food banks? it- you think it will take to end the need for food banks? [it is- you think it will take to end the need for food banks? it is important for us to get — need for food banks? it is important for us to get the _ need for food banks? it is important for us to get the economy _ need for food banks? it is important for us to get the economy growing l for us to get the economy growing again and the best way to do that is to have an economy that is growing and providing opportunity for people, to enable support for those who cannot work and that is why all the other things we are doing to strengthen public finances and reduce inflation is paramount to

getting to that point and in the short term we have a range of different support for people especially with food, like free school meals, and the holiday programme, that will help provide people with the extra assistance especially this winter. you envisage increasin: especially this winter. you envisage increasing access _ especially this winter. you envisage increasing access to _ especially this winter. you envisage increasing access to free _ especially this winter. you envisage increasing access to free school - increasing access to free school meals? — increasing access to free school meals? ,. ., ., . , increasing access to free school meals? ,. . , .y meals? the free school meals policy is universal — meals? the free school meals policy is universal for _ meals? the free school meals policy is universal for infants _ meals? the free school meals policy is universal for infants and _ meals? the free school meals policy is universal for infants and around i is universal for infants and around 1.9 million receiving free school meals but beyond that... 1.9 million receiving free school meals but beyond that. . .- meals but beyond that... junior schools? meals but beyond that. .. junior schools? l— meals but beyond that... junior schools? i think _ meals but beyond that... junior schools? i think the _ meals but beyond that... junior schools? i think the provision i meals but beyond that... junior. schools? i think the provision we have is the _ schools? i think the provision we have is the right _ schools? i think the provision we have is the right one _ schools? i think the provision we have is the right one but - schools? i think the provision we have is the right one but we - schools? i think the provision we have is the right one but we also| have is the right one but we also have is the right one but we also have the honour holiday activity and food programme —— we have the holiday activity and food programme which cost about £200 million per year and also breakfast clubs which have been rolled out over many schools helping out in the mornings and also a healthy start vouchers which don't get much intention but where we have increased by a significant about the value of those vouchers and they allow pregnant

mothers or new mothers to get access full support for fresh food and milk, for example. [10 full support for fresh food and milk, for example.— full support for fresh food and milk, for example. do you anticipate that food bank _ milk, for example. do you anticipate that food bank demand _ milk, for example. do you anticipate that food bank demand would - milk, for example. do you anticipate that food bank demand would have l that food bank demand would have reduced _ that food bank demand would have reduced by— that food bank demand would have reduced by the _ that food bank demand would have reduced by the time _ that food bank demand would have reduced by the time of— that food bank demand would have reduced by the time of the - that food bank demand would have reduced by the time of the next - reduced by the time of the next election? — reduced by the time of the next election? l— reduced by the time of the next election? ., , reduced by the time of the next election? .,, .,, election? i hope so. i hope we can aet election? i hope so. i hope we can net the election? i hope so. i hope we can get the economy _ election? i hope so. i hope we can get the economy growing - election? i hope so. i hope we can get the economy growing over - election? i hope so. i hope we can get the economy growing over the j get the economy growing over the course of the remainder of this parliament and that is something i work very hard to deliver. fin parliament and that is something i work very hard to deliver.- work very hard to deliver. on the wa to work very hard to deliver. on the way to eradicating _ work very hard to deliver. on the way to eradicating the _ work very hard to deliver. on the way to eradicating the need - work very hard to deliver. on the way to eradicating the need for. work very hard to deliver. on the i way to eradicating the need for food banks. _ way to eradicating the need for food banks. we _ way to eradicating the need for food banks. we have _ way to eradicating the need for food banks, we have got _ way to eradicating the need for food banks, we have got to— way to eradicating the need for food banks, we have got to improve - way to eradicating the need for food banks, we have got to improve thei banks, we have got to improve the social— banks, we have got to improve the social security _ banks, we have got to improve the social security safety _ banks, we have got to improve the social security safety net _ banks, we have got to improve the social security safety net beyond i social security safety net beyond what _ social security safety net beyond what is _ social security safety net beyond what is provided _ social security safety net beyond what is provided at— social security safety net beyond what is provided at the - social security safety net beyond i what is provided at the moment? income _ what is provided at the moment? income inequality— what is provided at the moment? income inequality is _ what is provided at the moment? income inequality is lower- what is provided at the moment? income inequality is lower in - what is provided at the moment? income inequality is lower in thei income inequality is lower in the last three quarters, over a million fewer people in poverty and several hundred thousand fewer workless households and the surest route out of poverty is to have people working and the few i think there has been a lot of progress —— and i think there has been progress in that respect.

but it is important that it is being included for the first time in the dwp family resources survey so we will start to get better data on food bank usage which we have not had to date. food bank usage which we have not had to date-— food bank usage which we have not had to date. food bank demand has continued to — had to date. food bank demand has continued to rise _ had to date. food bank demand has continued to rise apart _ had to date. food bank demand has continued to rise apart from - had to date. food bank demand has continued to rise apart from when l continued to rise apart from when you increased _ continued to rise apart from when you increased universal— continued to rise apart from when you increased universal credit- continued to rise apart from when you increased universal credit byi you increased universal credit by £20 a _ you increased universal credit by £20 a week— you increased universal credit by £20 a week and _ you increased universal credit by £20 a week and then _ you increased universal credit by £20 a week and then it— you increased universal credit by £20 a week and then it didn't, i you increased universal credit by| £20 a week and then it didn't, so that is— £20 a week and then it didn't, so that is why— £20 a week and then it didn't, so that is why i _ £20 a week and then it didn't, so that is why i said _ £20 a week and then it didn't, so that is why i said you _ £20 a week and then it didn't, so that is why i said you have - £20 a week and then it didn't, so that is why i said you have got. £20 a week and then it didn't, so that is why i said you have got to| that is why i said you have got to improve — that is why i said you have got to improve the _ that is why i said you have got to improve the safety— that is why i said you have got to improve the safety net _ that is why i said you have got to improve the safety net to - that is why i said you have got to i improve the safety net to eradicate the use _ improve the safety net to eradicate the use of— improve the safety net to eradicate the use of food _ improve the safety net to eradicate the use of food banks. _ improve the safety net to eradicate the use of food banks. a _ improve the safety net to eradicate the use of food banks. a couple - improve the safety net to eradicate the use of food banks. a couple of| the use of food banks. a couple of drives— the use of food banks. a couple of drives a _ the use of food banks. a couple of drives a food — the use of food banks. a couple of drives a food bank— the use of food banks. a couple of drives a food bank demand, - the use of food banks. a couple of drives a food bank demand, the i the use of food banks. a couple of. drives a food bank demand, the local housing _ drives a food bank demand, the local housing allowance _ drives a food bank demand, the local housing allowance is _ drives a food bank demand, the local housing allowance is frozen - drives a food bank demand, the local housing allowance is frozen at - drives a food bank demand, the local housing allowance is frozen at 2020 i housing allowance is frozen at 2020 levels _ housing allowance is frozen at 2020 levels so _ housing allowance is frozen at 2020 levels so when — housing allowance is frozen at 2020 levels so when rent _ housing allowance is frozen at 2020 levels so when rent goes _ housing allowance is frozen at 2020 levels so when rent goes up, - housing allowance is frozen at 2020 levels so when rent goes up, they. levels so when rent goes up, they have _ levels so when rent goes up, they have to _ levels so when rent goes up, they have to dip— levels so when rent goes up, they have to dip into _ levels so when rent goes up, they have to dip into the _ levels so when rent goes up, they have to dip into the rest - levels so when rent goes up, they have to dip into the rest of- levels so when rent goes up, they have to dip into the rest of their. have to dip into the rest of their benefits— have to dip into the rest of their benefits to _ have to dip into the rest of their benefits to pay _ have to dip into the rest of their benefits to pay the _ have to dip into the rest of their benefits to pay the rent, - have to dip into the rest of their. benefits to pay the rent, disabled people _ benefits to pay the rent, disabled people depending _ benefits to pay the rent, disabled people depending on _ benefits to pay the rent, disabled people depending on equipment. benefits to pay the rent, disabled - people depending on equipment have much higher— people depending on equipment have much higher electricity _ people depending on equipment have much higher electricity costs, - much higher electricity costs, obviously. _ much higher electricity costs, obviously. at _ much higher electricity costs, obviously, at the _ much higher electricity costs, obviously, at the moment, i much higher electricity costs, i obviously, at the moment, and 290.000 — obviously, at the moment, and 290,000 people _ obviously, at the moment, and 290,000 people claim - obviously, at the moment, andi 290,000 people claim disability benefits— 290,000 people claim disability benefits and _ 290,000 people claim disability benefits and have _ 290,000 people claim disability benefits and have recently - 290,000 people claim disability benefits and have recently lost i benefits and have recently lost eligibility— benefits and have recently lost eligibility to— benefits and have recently lost eligibility to the _ benefits and have recently lost eligibility to the warm - benefits and have recently lost eligibility to the warm homes i eligibility to the warm homes discount _ eligibility to the warm homes discount scheme _ eligibility to the warm homes discount scheme and - eligibility to the warm homes discount scheme and i - eligibility to the warm homes i discount scheme and i wonder if eligibility to the warm homes - discount scheme and i wonder if any of those _

discount scheme and i wonder if any of those three. _ discount scheme and i wonder if any of those three, is _ discount scheme and i wonder if any of those three, is there _ discount scheme and i wonder if any of those three, is there any - of those three, is there any prospect— of those three, is there any prospect of— of those three, is there any prospect of further- of those three, is there any prospect of further help - of those three, is there any . prospect of further help being provided? _ prospect of further help being provided? i— prospect of further help being rovided? ~ , ,, i, provided? i will keep giving shaw short answers — provided? i will keep giving shaw short answers but _ provided? i will keep giving shaw short answers but we _ provided? i will keep giving shaw short answers but we increased l provided? i will keep giving shawl short answers but we increased the local housing allowance by a third at the time, which was a very significant increase at the time. on the warm homes discount, from memory, it was targeted to properly target those who most needed help and it was actually increasing the means testing of the benefit and delivering it to people that most needed the help. i recognise the extra costs of those who need devices to help them with disabilities which is why one of the cost of living payments is £150 to those in receipt of means disability payments and that will sit alongside the cost of living payment to take account of the fact that you just raised. account of the fact that you 'ust raised. , . . ., account of the fact that you 'ust raised. , . _, ., , raised. the select committee has ublished raised. the select committee has published a _ raised. the select committee has published a report _ raised. the select committee has published a report today -

raised. the select committee has published a report today on - raised. the select committee has i published a report today on support for childcare — published a report today on support for childcare costs— published a report today on support for childcare costs and _ published a report today on support for childcare costs and you - published a report today on support for childcare costs and you will - for childcare costs and you will recognise _ for childcare costs and you will recognise that _ for childcare costs and you will recognise that supporting - for childcare costs and you will recognise that supporting the i for childcare costs and you will - recognise that supporting the cost of childcare — recognise that supporting the cost of childcare is _ recognise that supporting the cost of childcare is a _ recognise that supporting the cost of childcare is a big _ recognise that supporting the cost of childcare is a big concern - recognise that supporting the cost of childcare is a big concern for. of childcare is a big concern for mp5 _ of childcare is a big concern for mp5 across— of childcare is a big concern for mps across the _ of childcare is a big concern for mps across the house. - of childcare is a big concern for mps across the house. at - of childcare is a big concern for mps across the house. at the i of childcare is a big concern for- mps across the house. at the moment the maximum — mps across the house. at the moment the maximum support— mps across the house. at the moment the maximum support for— mps across the house. at the moment the maximum support for one - mps across the house. at the moment the maximum support for one child . mps across the house. at the moment the maximum support for one child isi the maximum support for one child is capped _ the maximum support for one child is capped at _ the maximum support for one child is capped at the — the maximum support for one child is capped at the level— the maximum support for one child is capped at the level that _ the maximum support for one child is capped at the level that was - the maximum support for one child is capped at the level that was first - capped at the level that was first set in _ capped at the level that was first set in 2005, _ capped at the level that was first set in 2005, 700 _ capped at the level that was first set in 2005, 700 £60 _ capped at the level that was first set in 2005, 700 £60 per- capped at the level that was first| set in 2005, 700 £60 per month, capped at the level that was first - set in 2005, 700 £60 per month, and so isn't _ set in 2005, 700 £60 per month, and so isn't it— set in 2005, 700 £60 per month, and so isn't it high— set in 2005, 700 £60 per month, and so isn't it high time _ set in 2005, 700 £60 per month, and so isn't it high time that _ set in 2005, 700 £60 per month, and so isn't it high time that cap- set in 2005, 700 £60 per month, and so isn't it high time that cap was- so isn't it high time that cap was uprated? — so isn't it high time that cap was uprated? -- _ so isn't it high time that cap was uprated? —— £760— so isn't it high time that cap was uprated? —— £760 per— so isn't it high time that cap was uprated? —— £760 per month. i so isn't it high time that cap was uprated? —— £760 per month. lt| so isn't it high time that cap was. uprated? —— £760 per month. it is uprated? -- £760 per month. it is set at 8596 — uprated? -- £760 per month. it is set at 8596 of _ uprated? —— £760 per month. set at 85% of eligible childcare costs, that is reimbursable, so quite high threshold 85%. i don't have the stats, and i will get back to you. but i think there are very few people at the cab so i appreciate the importance of childcare but i'm not sure the cap is the thing to focus on because it affects i think from memory a small number of people but i'm happy to have a look. number of people but i'm happy to have a look-— have a look. sorry, we have got to

sto have a look. sorry, we have got to step there- _ have a look. sorry, we have got to stop there. thank _ have a look. sorry, we have got to stop there. thank you. _ have a look. sorry, we have got to stop there. thank you. now - have a look. sorry, we have got to stop there. thank you. now robin | stop there. thank you. now robin walker, _ stop there. thank you. now robin walker, the chair of the education committee, can i bring him in briefly— committee, can i bring him in briefly on— committee, can i bring him in briefly on the issue of childcare. and 0, — briefly on the issue of childcare. and 0, j~ — briefly on the issue of childcare. and 0, j. inactivity is one of the biggest issues as you have said —— thank you, chair. would you agree that better supported childcare is one of the ways of bringing people back into the workplace and supporting people and with that in mind, the fact that the tax—free childcare which is supported by the treasury, only about one in five people are eligible for childcare have taken it up and of those who have taken it up and of those who have opened accounts for tax—free childcare, only half of them are used,is childcare, only half of them are used, is that a concern?- childcare, only half of them are used, is that a concern? yes. i started work — used, is that a concern? yes. i started work on _ used, is that a concern? yes. i started work on that _ used, is that a concern? yes. i started work on that when - used, is that a concern? yes. i started work on that when i was chancellor and the work is ongoing about how to improve the take—up of the existing child care offers which are not always well understood, especially tax—free childcare. that work is ongoing and we are changing

the promotional material and how we explain it and how easy it is for people to access and what they can use it on. of course, there is always work to do and we do have one of the lowest rates of inactivity amongst women and female participation in the labour force amongst women and female participation in the labourforce in the uk has gone up far more than most other countries. people ask us how we have done it but of course there's more to do which is why we will continue to refine and improve the childcare office.— will continue to refine and improve the childcare office. thank you. the early years — the childcare office. thank you. the early years become _ the childcare office. thank you. the early years become more _ the childcare office. thank you. the early years become more and - the childcare office. thank you. the early years become more and more| early years become more and more important, as we understand more about the benefits of early years education, and the iss recently confirmed that the early years spending has gone up —— the iss. do you think that trend is likely to continue? . , you think that trend is likely to continue?— continue? certainly ifi have anything — continue? certainly ifi have anything to _ continue? certainly ifi have anything to do _ continue? certainly ifi have anything to do with - continue? certainly ifi have anything to do with it, - continue? certainly if i have i anything to do with it, because continue? certainly if i have - anything to do with it, because i think the early years is important and that is why i prioritised funding as chancellor, especially

the work that andrea leadsom had done, i thought that was instructive and i have asked her to carry on doing that. that work is being rolled out across local authorities but the evidence is clear, we can intervene earlier and make support available early, that makes a difference. incrementally, we can direct more resources there, that is a good and sensible thing to do. marat a good and sensible thing to do. now we have the — a good and sensible thing to do. now we have the petitions committee. just to— we have the petitions committee. just to pick you up on a comment you made about increasing women's participation in the workforce, is he aware that between the ages of 25 and 39, the number of women dropping out of the workforce is going up and knock down and it is increasing? the progress that has been made over many years is actually going backwards on that front so he should look at those statistics very carefully. there is also very clear statistics that the number of mothers considering leaving their jobsis mothers considering leaving their jobs is quite significant and many

are cutting down their hours because of the cost of childcare and the fact that many pay to work. this is a significant cost to the economy and prime minister, you mentioned that there are a difficult labour market but i would say one way to make it work is to make it more affordable for women to stay in the workplace. the affordable for women to stay in the worklace. , ., affordable for women to stay in the worklace. ,., ., , affordable for women to stay in the worklace. ,., .,, ., ~ workplace. the point i was making which i workplace. the point i was making which i think— workplace. the point i was making which i think stands _ workplace. the point i was making which i think stands is _ workplace. the point i was making which i think stands is that - workplace. the point i was making which i think stands is that if - workplace. the point i was making which i think stands is that if you l which i think stands is that if you look internationally, we rank as a country with relatively high levels of female participation in the labour force and that is a fight, but of course there is work to do and it might well be it has moved down over the last year —— that is a fact. but internationally we have done this better than others, but in terms of the inactivity, and we will look at our office to see what more we can do in terms of offering support —— offers. but the

inactivity problem we have seen most recently, that is not driven by an increase in childcare, it is much more driven by those over 50 and by an increase in student activity but the over 505 is the biggest reason for economic inactivity. the over 50s is the biggest reason for economic inactivity.— for economic inactivity. because the have for economic inactivity. because they have caring _ for economic inactivity. because they have caring responsibilities which is another issue. it is they have caring responsibilities which is another issue.- which is another issue. it is not obvious that _ which is another issue. it is not obvious that they _ which is another issue. it is not obvious that they do. _ which is another issue. it is not obvious that they do. it - which is another issue. it is not obvious that they do. it is - which is another issue. it is not obvious that they do. it is not l which is another issue. it is noti obvious that they do. it is not a problem that is completely well understood but it is a mix of lifestyle decisions, ill—health, actually coming up, other reasons. it is not necessarily for caring responsibilities. in it is not necessarily for caring responsibilities.— it is not necessarily for caring responsibilities. in terms of your international _ responsibilities. in terms of your international ratings _ responsibilities. in terms of your international ratings we - responsibilities. in terms of your international ratings we also - responsibilities. in terms of your. international ratings we also write one of the highest and most expensive childcare systems in the world so you should bear that in mind —— we also rate as one of the highest. you mentioned a flagship announcement and scheme earlier, often mentioned by the government, but i have asked four times this

yearfor but i have asked four times this year for the take—up of that scheme since it was digitised in april because a lot of families expressed challenges around managing the new digitised system. i even asked a treasury question today but they could not give a figure, do you have a figure for how many use the scheme? i a figure for how many use the scheme? ., �* , a figure for how many use the scheme?— a figure for how many use the scheme? ., �* , ., , , , scheme? i don't but i will happily write to the _ scheme? i don't but i will happily write to the committee _ scheme? i don't but i will happily write to the committee with - scheme? i don't but i will happily write to the committee with the i write to the committee with the answer. ., ., , , ., ~ answer. that would be helpful, thank ou. the answer. that would be helpful, thank you. the petitions _ answer. that would be helpful, thank you. the petitions committee - answer. that would be helpful, thank you. the petitions committee led - answer. that would be helpful, thank you. the petitions committee led a l you. the petitions committee led a debate in parliament _ you. the petitions committee led a debate in parliament yesterday - you. the petitions committee led a debate in parliament yesterday on | debate in parliament yesterday on childbed poverty and there is a head teacher, deputy head teacher in leeds who has established a charity to provide beds for children because they are struggling to concentrate at school. is he not ashamed that thatis at school. is he not ashamed that that is a reality for children growing up in the uk today? what that is a reality for children growing up in the uk today? what i am keen to — growing up in the uk today? what i am keen to make _ growing up in the uk today? what i am keen to make sure _ growing up in the uk today? what i am keen to make sure is _ growing up in the uk today? what i am keen to make sure is that - growing up in the uk today? what i am keen to make sure is that we i growing up in the uk today? what i| am keen to make sure is that we do not have children who are growing up in poverty and all the evidence is crystal clear that the best way to do that is to make sure that children do not grow up in a workless household and if you can

achieve that they are five times less likely to grow up in poverty which is why i am pleased there are several hundred thousand fewer households that are like that compared to when the conservatives first came into office and that is why making sure we can support people into well—paid jobs and increase the national living wage is important because that is the best way to make sure that children do not grow up in poverty and that is what i want to see. we have made great progress and there are fewer children in poverty today than in 2010 but i want to keep driving that number down. i 2010 but i want to keep driving that number down-— 2010 but i want to keep driving that number down. i don't recognise what the prime minister _ number down. i don't recognise what the prime minister is _ number down. i don't recognise what the prime minister is saying - number down. i don't recognise what the prime minister is saying and - number down. i don't recognise what the prime minister is saying and it i the prime minister is saying and it seems to be a parallel reality because the number of children living in poverty is going up and not down and we are heading for 34% by the government because my measure, which is going to reach the peak of the 19905, so this is going on the wrong direction which is why children are going without beds and this is a symptom of child poverty.

given that 75% of children growing up given that 75% of children growing up in poverty live in a house where someone works, can the chancellor, sorry, the prime minister not see it as a very complacent response from him and it is not going to solve the problem, so how is he going to solve child poverty?— child poverty? maybe we are looking at different numbers but _ child poverty? maybe we are looking at different numbers but the - child poverty? maybe we are looking l at different numbers but the numbers that i know and i'm happily willing to share them with the committee, there were over a million fewer people in absolute poverty than there were in 2010. the children component of that is 200,000 fewer people on that measure in absolute poverty, compared to 2010, and again about a million fewer workless households today than in 2010. that is by far and away the biggest driver of a child growing up in poverty. i'm not being complacent about it are do not want any child to grow up in poverty. —— and i do

not. we have made progress but there is always more to do and the most important way to help children is to make sure their parents are in good well—paid jobs. make sure their parents are in good well—paidjobs. i’m make sure their parents are in good well-paid jobs-— well-paid “obs. i'm sure you will 'oin me well-paid jobs. i'm sure you will join me in _ well-paid jobs. i'm sure you will join me in wishing _ well-paid jobs. i'm sure you will join me in wishing stephen - well-paid jobs. i'm sure you will. join me in wishing stephen welsh well-paid jobs. i'm sure you will - join me in wishing stephen welsh who is chair— join me in wishing stephen welsh who is chair of— join me in wishing stephen welsh who is chair of the health committee should — is chair of the health committee should be — is chair of the health committee should be here but he has been taken ill with _ should be here but he has been taken ill with the _ should be here but he has been taken ill with the flu —— wishing stephen the best — ill with the flu —— wishing stephen the best. the government says we have an _ the best. the government says we have an independent pay review process — have an independent pay review process but increasingly it seems to be something the other political parties — be something the other political parties and the trade unions do not believe _ parties and the trade unions do not believe in. — parties and the trade unions do not believe in, so how big a problem is this and _ believe in, so how big a problem is this and what do you propose to do about— this and what do you propose to do about it? _ this and what do you propose to do about it? it— this and what do you propose to do about it? . this and what do you propose to do about it? , ., , ., about it? it is worth bearing in mind that _ about it? it is worth bearing in mind that the _ about it? it is worth bearing in mind that the pay _ about it? it is worth bearing in mind that the pay review- about it? it is worth bearing in l mind that the pay review bodies about it? it is worth bearing in - mind that the pay review bodies have beenin mind that the pay review bodies have been in existence for a long time, accepted by different political parties is a sensible part of the process and they were used by previous labour governments and

other non—conservative politicians have said it would not be right to cut across the pay review bodies. pay is obviously difficult and they exist to come to a sensible and fair view balancing all the competing interest about what reasonable pay settlements are and that is why the government accepted them in full across the board, notjust for the nhs. in many cases those pay settlements were more than what the government had initially thought was doable and indeed higher in many cases than what was being offered in the private sector so i think they are an important part of the process and the government has respected them. ~ ., ., ., _ them. what reform of the pay review process would you like to see? i have not said i would like to see a reformer. —— reform.

have not said i would like to see a reformer. -- reform.— have not said i would like to see a reformer. -- reform. would you like to see the — reformer. -- reform. would you like to see the select _ reformer. -- reform. would you like to see the select committee - to see the select committee discussed this?— to see the select committee discussed this? the terms of reference — discussed this? the terms of reference are _ discussed this? the terms of reference are relatively - reference are relatively straightforward, they are balancing what is affordable for the taxpayer, which is how these things have to be paid for, with the need to make sure that we can recruit and retain staff in the various sectors in which they operate in, and i don't think most people... inflation is also important, it has been important for us and for governments over the last few decades and that is an important part of what they do, as well. the -a part of what they do, as well. the pay review — part of what they do, as well. the pay review body will be looking again _ pay review body will be looking again in — pay review body will be looking again in the new year at nhs pay and will report— again in the new year at nhs pay and will report to you in the summer. it now looks — will report to you in the summer. it now looks inevitable that the process — now looks inevitable that the process will provide a much better offer _ process will provide a much better offer to _ process will provide a much better offer to the nhs because of the inflation — offer to the nhs because of the inflation figures. is that on the

agenda — inflation figures. is that on the agenda for change for next year? shouldn't— agenda for change for next year? shouldn't the royal college of nurses— shouldn't the royal college of nurses actually called off their industrial action now why we attempt to scale _ industrial action now why we attempt to scale the covid backlog and get the extra — to scale the covid backlog and get the extra resources into social care to ease _ the extra resources into social care to ease discharge and the real stress — to ease discharge and the real stress the ambulance crews are facing _ stress the ambulance crews are facing on — stress the ambulance crews are facing on a _ stress the ambulance crews are facing on a daily basis? regarding inflation, the _ facing on a daily basis? regarding inflation, the pay _ facing on a daily basis? regarding inflation, the pay review- facing on a daily basis? regarding inflation, the pay review bodies, l inflation, the pay review bodies, when they make their decisions, they are aware of what forward estimates of inflation are and that was the case for this year's estimates, for inflation which was already in the evidence and in their considerations and of course, there will be a body and of course, there will be a body and a process for next year, which the health secretary has said the door is always open to talk to any group, about how we approach these things in the future. what i want to see is the nhs that is able to focus on reducing the backlogs and improving the quality and timeliness of care that people are getting and

thatis of care that people are getting and that is why we have put billions of pounds of extra funding into the nhs and social care in the autumn statement, in spite of the other difficult decisions that needed to be made. that represents a clear commitment from the government around the importance of the nhs but we meet to make sure the money can go and deliverfor we meet to make sure the money can go and deliver for patients. we meet to make sure the money can go and deliverfor patients. 50 we meet to make sure the money can go and deliver for patients.— go and deliver for patients. so what would be your— go and deliver for patients. so what would be your personal _ go and deliver for patients. so what would be your personal message i go and deliver for patients. so what. would be your personal message this christmas _ would be your personal message this christmas to nhs workers and others who are _ christmas to nhs workers and others who are taking strike action or contemplating it, as we approach christmas? | contemplating it, as we approach christmas?— contemplating it, as we approach christmas? ., ., , . ., christmas? i have always been clear in expressing _ christmas? i have always been clear in expressing my — christmas? i have always been clear in expressing my gratitude - christmas? i have always been clear in expressing my gratitude and - in expressing my gratitude and admiration for the nhs workers and the public sector workers across the uk for the work they do, and we know it is difficult because of inflation as it is difficult for everybody, and the best way to help everybody is for us to get a grip and to reduce inflation and we need to make sure that decisions that we make and bring about that outcome because if we get it wrong and we're still

dealing with a high inflation in a year that will not help anybody. i don't want see that. i want to see things get back to normal and that is white having an independent pay process is an important part of us making those decisions and getting them correct —— that is why. making those decisions and getting them correct -- that is why.- them correct -- that is why. thank ou them correct -- that is why. thank you prime — them correct -- that is why. thank you prime minister. _ them correct -- that is why. thank you prime minister. i _ them correct -- that is why. thank you prime minister. i am - them correct -- that is why. thank you prime minister. i am impartial| you prime minister. iam impartial about— you prime minister. iam impartial about the — you prime minister. iam impartial about the quality of your answers but the _ about the quality of your answers but the brevity of them is good. we are now— but the brevity of them is good. we are now on — but the brevity of them is good. we are now on to the union and we start with pete _ are now on to the union and we start with pete wishart of the scottish select _ with pete wishart of the scottish select committee. we with pete wishart of the scottish select committee.— select committee. we are disappointed _ select committee. we are disappointed to _ select committee. we are disappointed to not - select committee. we are disappointed to not get i select committee. we are i disappointed to not get to select committee. we are - disappointed to not get to hear select committee. we are _ disappointed to not get to hear from your predecessor— disappointed to not get to hear from your predecessor such _ disappointed to not get to hear from your predecessor such was - disappointed to not get to hear from your predecessor such was the - disappointed to not get to hear from your predecessor such was the pace | your predecessor such was the pace of events— your predecessor such was the pace of events of— your predecessor such was the pace of events of the _ your predecessor such was the pace of events of the last _ your predecessor such was the pace of events of the last few— your predecessor such was the pace of events of the last few months. i of events of the last few months. the supreme _ of events of the last few months. the supreme court— of events of the last few months. the supreme court made - of events of the last few months. the supreme court made the - of events of the last few months. - the supreme court made the decision that the _ the supreme court made the decision that the scottish _ the supreme court made the decision that the scottish parliament _ the supreme court made the decision that the scottish parliament did - the supreme court made the decision that the scottish parliament did not . that the scottish parliament did not have the _ that the scottish parliament did not have the necessary— that the scottish parliament did not have the necessary powers - that the scottish parliament did not have the necessary powers to - have the necessary powers to iegisiate _ have the necessary powers to iegisiate for— have the necessary powers to legislate for an _ have the necessary powers to legislate for an independence referendum, _ legislate for an independence referendum, so— legislate for an independence referendum, so what - legislate for an independence| referendum, so what happens legislate for an independence - referendum, so what happens now? legislate for an independence _ referendum, so what happens now? we referendum, so what happens now? c respect referendum, so what happens now? respect the decision of the supreme

court and we will continue to focus on delivering for the people of scotland and working constructively with the scottish government to do that. �* . . . with the scottish government to do that. �* ., ., , ., , , , that. but what has happened is there is now six opinion _ that. but what has happened is there is now six opinion polls _ that. but what has happened is there is now six opinion polls in _ that. but what has happened is there is now six opinion polls in a - that. but what has happened is there is now six opinion polls in a row- is now six opinion polls in a row that— is now six opinion polls in a row that shows _ is now six opinion polls in a row that shows majority _ is now six opinion polls in a row that shows majority support - is now six opinion polls in a row that shows majority support for| that shows majority support for scottish — that shows majority support for scottish independence - that shows majority support for scottish independence and - that shows majority support for scottish independence and if. that shows majority support for. scottish independence and if there was an— scottish independence and if there was an independence _ scottish independence and if there was an independence referendum. was an independence referendum tomorrow— was an independence referendum tomorrow i — was an independence referendum tomorrow i think— was an independence referendum tomorrow i think there would - was an independence referendum tomorrow i think there would be. was an independence referendum| tomorrow i think there would be a good _ tomorrow i think there would be a good chance — tomorrow i think there would be a good chance that _ tomorrow i think there would be a good chance that scottish - good chance that scottish independence _ good chance that scottish independence would - good chance that scottish independence would win. good chance that scottishi independence would win it good chance that scottish - independence would win it so i ask you, independence would win it so i ask you. how— independence would win it so i ask you. how do — independence would win it so i ask you. how do we _ independence would win it so i ask you, how do we start _ independence would win it so i ask you, how do we start to _ independence would win it so i ask you, how do we start to resolve i independence would win it so i aski you, how do we start to resolve the situation? — you, how do we start to resolve the situation? those _ you, how do we start to resolve the situation? those of— you, how do we start to resolve the situation? those of us _ you, how do we start to resolve the situation? those of us who - you, how do we start to resolve the situation? those of us who support| situation? those of us who support scottish— situation? those of us who support scottish independence, _ situation? those of us who support scottish independence, we - situation? those of us who support scottish independence, we should. situation? those of us who support i scottish independence, we should not take the _ scottish independence, we should not take the ambitions _ scottish independence, we should not take the ambitions away— scottish independence, we should not take the ambitions away from - scottish independence, we should not take the ambitions away from our- take the ambitions away from our nation, _ take the ambitions away from our nation, so — take the ambitions away from our nation, so what _ take the ambitions away from our nation, so what is _ take the ambitions away from our nation, so what is the _ take the ambitions away from our nation, so what is the uk - take the ambitions away from our- nation, so what is the uk government going _ nation, so what is the uk government going to _ nation, so what is the uk government going to do _ nation, so what is the uk government going to do to — nation, so what is the uk government going to do to respond _ nation, so what is the uk government going to do to respond to _ nation, so what is the uk government going to do to respond to the - going to do to respond to the situation? _ going to do to respond to the situation? it _ going to do to respond to the situation? it is _ going to do to respond to the situation? it is certainly- going to do to respond to the situation? it is certainly in i going to do to respond to the situation? it is certainly in a . situation? it is certainly in a state — situation? it is certainly in a state when _ situation? it is certainly in a state when one _ situation? it is certainly in a state when one part - situation? it is certainly in a state when one part of i situation? it is certainly in a state when one part of the i situation? it is certainly in a i state when one part of the union seems _ state when one part of the union seems to— state when one part of the union seems to want— state when one part of the union seems to want the _ state when one part of the union seems to want the option - state when one part of the union seems to want the option of i state when one part of the union i seems to want the option of leaving the union _ seems to want the option of leaving the union late — seems to want the option of leaving the union. ~ ., ., ., ... the union. we are going to continue deliverin: the union. we are going to continue delivering for _ the union. we are going to continue delivering for the _ the union. we are going to continue delivering for the people _ the union. we are going to continue delivering for the people of- delivering for the people of scotland. we have talked about inflation and the cost of living, and also making sure that we can

have health services that respond to the needs of people and protect of the needs of people and protect of the energy security and standing up to russian aggression, these are important issues, and many of those we can and will work constructively with the scottish government to make a difference to people's lives, that is my focus and that is what i will continue to do. do is my focus and that is what i will continue to do.— is my focus and that is what i will continue to do. do you realise how hollow and — continue to do. do you realise how hollow and woeful _ continue to do. do you realise how hollow and woeful that _ continue to do. do you realise how hollow and woeful that response . hollow and woeful that response sounds — hollow and woeful that response sounds to — hollow and woeful that response sounds to the _ hollow and woeful that response sounds to the situation - hollow and woeful that response sounds to the situation that i sounds to the situation that scotland _ sounds to the situation that scotland is _ sounds to the situation that scotland is in? _ sounds to the situation that scotland is in? we - sounds to the situation that scotland is in? we believe. sounds to the situation that i scotland is in? we believe the scottish— scotland is in? we believe the scottish people _ scotland is in? we believe the scottish people should - scotland is in? we believe the scottish people should decide| scotland is in? we believe the i scottish people should decide their future _ scottish people should decide their future and — scottish people should decide their future and that _ scottish people should decide their future and that is _ scottish people should decide their future and that is how _ scottish people should decide their future and that is how most - scottish people should decide their| future and that is how most nations would _ future and that is how most nations would approach _ future and that is how most nations would approach the _ future and that is how most nations would approach the situation - future and that is how most nations would approach the situation and i would approach the situation and even _ would approach the situation and even the — would approach the situation and even the labour— would approach the situation and even the labour party— would approach the situation and even the labour party have i would approach the situation and even the labour party have their| would approach the situation and i even the labour party have their own plans _ even the labour party have their own plans to _ even the labour party have their own plans to bring — even the labour party have their own plans to bring forward. _ even the labour party have their own plans to bring forward. you _ even the labour party have their own plans to bring forward. you are i even the labour party have their own plans to bring forward. you are not . plans to bring forward. you are not going _ plans to bring forward. you are not going to _ plans to bring forward. you are not going to sit — plans to bring forward. you are not going to sit there _ plans to bring forward. you are not going to sit there until— plans to bring forward. you are not going to sit there until you - plans to bring forward. you are not going to sit there until you have i plans to bring forward. you are not going to sit there until you have no plans— going to sit there until you have no plans to _ going to sit there until you have no plans to deal — going to sit there until you have no plans to deal with _ going to sit there until you have no plans to deal with the _ plans to deal with the constitutional- plans to deal with the i constitutional difficulties plans to deal with the - constitutional difficulties that scotland _ constitutional difficulties that scotland is _ constitutional difficulties that scotland is facing? _ constitutional difficulties that scotland is facing? you i constitutional difficulties that scotland is facing? you must| constitutional difficulties that i scotland is facing? you must have some _ scotland is facing? you must have some plan? — scotland is facing? you must have some plan?— scotland is facing? you must have some plan? one thing we are very keen to make _ some plan? one thing we are very keen to make sure _ some plan? one thing we are very keen to make sure we _ some plan? one thing we are very keen to make sure we deliver- some plan? one thing we are very keen to make sure we deliver is i some plan? one thing we are very| keen to make sure we deliver is all the recommendations of the smith commission which represented

significant transfer of powers and responsibility to the scottish government which is the most powerful devolved parliament anywhere in the world. the scotland act set out those and we want to work constructively with the scottish government to deliver on those and we are making good progress on that. one of the biggest transfers of powers anyone has ever seen. that is the uk government respecting the commitments that it made and delivering on them. 50 all made and delivering on them. so all the way down _ made and delivering on them. so all the way down to _ made and delivering on them. so all the way down to the _ made and delivering on them. so all the way down to the senior - made and delivering on them. so all the way down to the senior ministers and the _ the way down to the senior ministers and the secretary _ the way down to the senior ministers and the secretary of _ the way down to the senior ministers and the secretary of state _ the way down to the senior ministers and the secretary of state for - and the secretary of state for scotland. _ and the secretary of state for scotland, they _ and the secretary of state for scotland, they have - and the secretary of state for scotland, they have all - and the secretary of state fori scotland, they have all asked, and the secretary of state for i scotland, they have all asked, how do we _ scotland, they have all asked, how do we start — scotland, they have all asked, how do we start to _ scotland, they have all asked, how do we start to accommodate - scotland, they have all asked, how do we start to accommodate the i do we start to accommodate the legitimate — do we start to accommodate the legitimate requirements- do we start to accommodate the legitimate requirements of- do we start to accommodate the legitimate requirements of the i legitimate requirements of the scottish— legitimate requirements of the scottish people _ legitimate requirements of the scottish people when - legitimate requirements of the scottish people when it- legitimate requirements of the scottish people when it comes| legitimate requirements of the i scottish people when it comes to deciding — scottish people when it comes to deciding its— scottish people when it comes to deciding its constitutional- scottish people when it comes toj deciding its constitutional future, but we _ deciding its constitutional future, but we have _ deciding its constitutional future, but we have not _ deciding its constitutional future, but we have not had _ deciding its constitutional future, but we have not had any- deciding its constitutional future, but we have not had any answer. deciding its constitutional future, i but we have not had any answer and again— but we have not had any answer and again we _ but we have not had any answer and again we are — but we have not had any answer and again we are not— but we have not had any answer and again we are not getting _ but we have not had any answer and again we are not getting any- but we have not had any answer and again we are not getting any now. i again we are not getting any now. the only— again we are not getting any now. the only thing _ again we are not getting any now. the only thing we _ again we are not getting any now. the only thing we have _ again we are not getting any now. the only thing we have had - again we are not getting any now. the only thing we have had from . again we are not getting any now. i the only thing we have had from the secretary _ the only thing we have had from the secretary of — the only thing we have had from the secretary of state _ the only thing we have had from the secretary of state from _ the only thing we have had from the secretary of state from scotland i the only thing we have had from the secretary of state from scotland is l secretary of state from scotland is we will _ secretary of state from scotland is we will know — secretary of state from scotland is we will know when _ secretary of state from scotland is we will know when the _ secretary of state from scotland is we will know when the conditions i secretary of state from scotland is i we will know when the conditions are i’ili'it we will know when the conditions are right and _ we will know when the conditions are right and they — we will know when the conditions are right and they gave _ we will know when the conditions are right and they gave the _ we will know when the conditions are right and they gave the famous i we will know when the conditions are right and they gave the famous ducki right and they gave the famous duck test. right and they gave the famous duck test is _ right and they gave the famous duck test is that— right and they gave the famous duck test. is that what _ right and they gave the famous duck test. is that what we _ right and they gave the famous duck test. is that what we have _ right and they gave the famous duck test. is that what we have got - right and they gave the famous duck

test. is that what we have got to i test. is that what we have got to wait for. — test. is that what we have got to wait for. for— test. is that what we have got to wait for, for you _ test. is that what we have got to wait for, for you to _ test. is that what we have got to wait for, for you to decide - test. is that what we have got to wait for, for you to decide that l test. is that what we have got to i wait for, for you to decide that the conditions — wait for, for you to decide that the conditions are _ wait for, for you to decide that the conditions are right _ wait for, for you to decide that the conditions are right for _ wait for, for you to decide that the conditions are right for the - conditions are right for the scottish— conditions are right for the scottish people _ conditions are right for the scottish people to - conditions are right for the scottish people to have i conditions are right for the. scottish people to have this opportunity— scottish people to have this opportunity to— scottish people to have this opportunity to decide - scottish people to have this opportunity to decide their. opportunity to decide their constitutional— opportunity to decide their constitutional future? i opportunity to decide their constitutional future? my. opportunity to decide their constitutional future? my belief is that the scottish _ constitutional future? my belief is that the scottish people would i constitutional future? my belief is| that the scottish people would like the scottish government and the uk government to focus on the issues that are most pressing at the moment, given the scale of the challenges we face, and i have been clear that i want to do that in a constructive manner i want to work in partnership with the scottish government where we can and i think we can make a difference to the lives of people. that is why i called the first minister shortly after receiving office and why i attended the british and irish council that brings together everyone from across the islands in one place to discuss these issues and i will continue to operate in that spirit and hopefully make a difference on these issues that matter to people. see difference on these issues that matter to people.— difference on these issues that matter to people. see if you agree with this, the _ matter to people. see if you agree with this, the more _ matter to people. see if you agree with this, the more you _ matter to people. see if you agree| with this, the more you prevaricate on this, _ with this, the more you prevaricate on this, the — with this, the more you prevaricate on this, the failure _ with this, the more you prevaricate on this, the failure to _ with this, the more you prevaricate on this, the failure to engage i with this, the more you prevaricate on this, the failure to engage on. on this, the failure to engage on the legitimate _ on this, the failure to engage on the legitimate demands - on this, the failure to engage on the legitimate demands of- on this, the failure to engage on the legitimate demands of the l the legitimate demands of the scottish— the legitimate demands of the scottish people, _ the legitimate demands of the scottish people, the _ the legitimate demands of the scottish people, the only-

the legitimate demands of the| scottish people, the only thing the legitimate demands of the i scottish people, the only thing that will happen— scottish people, the only thing that wiit happen is— scottish people, the only thing that will happen is that _ scottish people, the only thing that will happen is that the _ scottish people, the only thing that will happen is that the support i scottish people, the only thing that will happen is that the support for. will happen is that the support for independence _ will happen is that the support for independence is— will happen is that the support for independence is going _ will happen is that the support for independence is going to- will happen is that the support forj independence is going to continue will happen is that the support for. independence is going to continue to rise and _ independence is going to continue to rise and at— independence is going to continue to rise and at some _ independence is going to continue to rise and at some point _ independence is going to continue to rise and at some point you _ independence is going to continue to rise and at some point you have i independence is going to continue to rise and at some point you have got. rise and at some point you have got to deal— rise and at some point you have got to deal with — rise and at some point you have got to deal with that, _ rise and at some point you have got to deal with that, so _ rise and at some point you have got to deal with that, so why _ rise and at some point you have got to deal with that, so why don't i rise and at some point you have got to deal with that, so why don't you| to deal with that, so why don't you deal with_ to deal with that, so why don't you deal with it — to deal with that, so why don't you deal with it now? _ to deal with that, so why don't you deal with it now? why— to deal with that, so why don't you deal with it now? why don't - to deal with that, so why don't you deal with it now? why don't you i deal with it now? why don't you bring _ deal with it now? why don't you bring forward _ deal with it now? why don't you bring forward the _ deal with it now? why don't you bring forward the change - deal with it now? why don't you bring forward the change in - bring forward the change in legislation— bring forward the change in legislation so— bring forward the change in legislation so we _ bring forward the change in legislation so we can - bring forward the change in legislation so we can do - bring forward the change in . legislation so we can do this? surely— legislation so we can do this? surely as_ legislation so we can do this? surely as support _ legislation so we can do this? surely as support for - legislation so we can do this? - surely as support for independence is going _ surely as support for independence is going to — surely as support for independence is going to go — surely as support for independence is going to go up _ surely as support for independence is going to go up and _ surely as support for independence is going to go up and at _ surely as support for independence is going to go up and at some - surely as support for independencei is going to go up and at some point you have _ is going to go up and at some point you have got — is going to go up and at some point you have got to— is going to go up and at some point you have got to address _ is going to go up and at some point you have got to address that? - is going to go up and at some point you have got to address that? [m i you have got to address that? i'm focusin: you have got to address that? i'm focusing on _ you have got to address that? focusing on making a difference you have got to address that?“ focusing on making a difference to the lives of people in scotland, the challenges they face are with the cost of living and the impact that is having on them, i want to do everything i can to alleviate some of those burdens and provide opportunity and jobs for them and i think we can do a lot of that in partnership with the scottish government, where we work constructively together and that is what i'm going to keep doing and i think that is the right thing to do. the scottish people will be listening _ the scottish people will be listening to _ the scottish people will be listening to this _ the scottish people will be listening to this and - the scottish people will be listening to this and they l the scottish people will be . listening to this and they will the scottish people will be - listening to this and they will be very disappointed _ listening to this and they will be very disappointed that - listening to this and they will be very disappointed that you - listening to this and they will be i very disappointed that you cannot even _ very disappointed that you cannot even offer— very disappointed that you cannot even offer one _ very disappointed that you cannot even offer one scenario _ very disappointed that you cannot even offer one scenario where - very disappointed that you cannot| even offer one scenario where you will engage — even offer one scenario where you will engage positively— even offer one scenario where you will engage positively with - even offer one scenario where you will engage positively with what i even offer one scenario where you. will engage positively with what the scottish _ will engage positively with what the scottish people _ will engage positively with what the scottish people want. _ will engage positively with what the scottish people want. but—

will engage positively with what the scottish people want. but lastly, i scottish people want. but lastly, you are — scottish people want. but lastly, you are the — scottish people want. but lastly, you are the only— scottish people want. but lastly, you are the only senior- scottish people want. but lastly, i you are the only senior government minister— you are the only senior government minister who — you are the only senior government minister who has _ you are the only senior government minister who has got _ you are the only senior government minister who has got a _ you are the only senior government minister who has got a fixed - you are the only senior governmenti minister who has got a fixed penalty notice _ minister who has got a fixed penalty notice from — minister who has got a fixed penalty notice from partygate, _ minister who has got a fixed penalty notice from partygate, so _ minister who has got a fixed penalty notice from partygate, so do - minister who has got a fixed penalty notice from partygate, so do you - notice from partygate, so do you think— notice from partygate, so do you think that — notice from partygate, so do you think that we _ notice from partygate, so do you think that we have _ notice from partygate, so do you think that we have been - think that we have been unnecessarily— think that we have been unnecessarily hardened| think that we have been . unnecessarily hardened by think that we have been - unnecessarily hardened by your predecessor— unnecessarily hardened by your predecessor try _ unnecessarily hardened by your predecessor by one? _ unnecessarily hardened by your predecessor by one? i- unnecessarily hardened by your predecessor by one?— unnecessarily hardened by your predecessor by one? i have addressed that in the past _ predecessor by one? i have addressed that in the past and _ predecessor by one? i have addressed that in the past and i _ predecessor by one? i have addressed that in the past and i have _ predecessor by one? i have addressed that in the past and i have not - predecessor by one? i have addressed that in the past and i have not got - that in the past and i have not got anything further to add. it would not be my place to address that. i would say, i disagree with something you said, you said about the scottish people thinking we are not engaging positively but i think we are engaging positively with the scottish government and that is why i called the first minister on the first day of taking office and why i went to see her and other devolved leaders very shortly after taking office, the first uk prime minister to attend that gathering since 2007, and that serves as a demonstration that i want to engage positively to make a difference.

ican i can tell you are unhappy about... everyone _ i can tell you are unhappy about... everyone can — i can tell you are unhappy about... everyone can sense _ i can tell you are unhappy about... everyone can sense your _ i can tell you are unhappy about... l everyone can sense your discomfort. recently. _ everyone can sense your discomfort. recently. we — everyone can sense your discomfort. recently. we made _ everyone can sense your discomfort. recently, we made sure _ everyone can sense your discomfort. recently, we made sure that- everyone can sense your discomfort. recently, we made sure that we - everyone can sense your discomfort. i recently, we made sure that we could invest through the levelling up fund and those investments are making a real difference on the ground and thatis real difference on the ground and that is an example of what we can do and i will keep doing more of it. i and i will keep doing more of it. i would like to point out that the references to the privilege committee have nothing to do with fixed penalty notices, they are about — fixed penalty notices, they are about a — fixed penalty notices, they are about a separate matter. as a member of the _ about a separate matter. as a member of the committee, i am entitled to say that _ of the committee, i am entitled to sa that. ... ., of the committee, i am entitled to sa that. ., say that. good afternoon, prime minister. say that. good afternoon, prime minister- in _ say that. good afternoon, prime minister. in september, - say that. good afternoon, prime minister. in september, the - say that. good afternoon, prime . minister. in september, the current horne _ minister. in september, the current horne secretary— minister. in september, the current home secretary told _ minister. in september, the current home secretary told a _ minister. in september, the current home secretary told a fringe - minister. in september, the current home secretary told a fringe eventl home secretary told a fringe event at your— home secretary told a fringe event at your party— home secretary told a fringe event at your party conference _ home secretary told a fringe event at your party conference that - at your party conference that ultimately _ at your party conference that ultimately the _ at your party conference that ultimately the lighted - at your party conference that . ultimately the lighted kingdom at your party conference that - ultimately the lighted kingdom would need to— ultimately the lighted kingdom would need to leave — ultimately the lighted kingdom would need to leave european _ ultimately the lighted kingdom would need to leave european convention . ultimately the lighted kingdom would| need to leave european convention on human _ need to leave european convention on human rights— need to leave european convention on human rights and— need to leave european convention on human rights and last _ need to leave european convention on human rights and last week, - need to leave european convention on human rights and last week, when i need to leave european convention on| human rights and last week, when we had the _ human rights and last week, when we had the debuty— human rights and last week, when we had the deputy prime _ human rights and last week, when we had the deputy prime minister- human rights and last week, when we had the deputy prime minister and - had the deputy prime minister and lord chancellor— had the deputy prime minister and lord chancellor in _ had the deputy prime minister and lord chancellor in front _ had the deputy prime minister and lord chancellor in front of - had the deputy prime minister and lord chancellor in front of the - lord chancellor in front of the joint — lord chancellor in front of the joint committee _ lord chancellor in front of the joint committee on _ lord chancellor in front of the joint committee on human- lord chancellor in front of the - joint committee on human rights, i asked _ joint committee on human rights, i asked him — joint committee on human rights, i asked him about _ joint committee on human rights, i asked him about his— joint committee on human rights, i asked him about his position -

joint committee on human rights, i asked him about his position on . joint committee on human rights, i| asked him about his position on the convention — asked him about his position on the convention and _ asked him about his position on the convention and he _ asked him about his position on the convention and he said, _ asked him about his position on the convention and he said, and - asked him about his position on the convention and he said, and i- asked him about his position on the l convention and he said, and i quote, the government— convention and he said, and i quote, the government position _ convention and he said, and i quote, the government position is - convention and he said, and i quote, the government position is very- the government position is very dear. _ the government position is very clear. we — the government position is very ctear. we row— the government position is very clear, we row nothing _ the government position is very clear, we row nothing out, - the government position is very. clear, we row nothing out, nothing is off— clear, we row nothing out, nothing is off the _ clear, we row nothing out, nothing is off the table _ clear, we row nothing out, nothing is off the table for— clear, we row nothing out, nothing is off the table for the _ clear, we row nothing out, nothing is off the table for the future. - clear, we row nothing out, nothing is off the table for the future. cani is off the table for the future. can you confirm — is off the table for the future. can you confirm whether _ is off the table for the future. can you confirm whether you - is off the table for the future. can you confirm whether you agree i is off the table for the future. can l you confirm whether you agree with your home — you confirm whether you agree with your home secretary— you confirm whether you agree with your home secretary and _ you confirm whether you agree with your home secretary and whether l you confirm whether you agree with . your home secretary and whether the debuty_ your home secretary and whether the deputy prime — your home secretary and whether the deputy prime minister— your home secretary and whether the deputy prime minister accurately - deputy prime minister accurately describe — deputy prime minister accurately describe the _ deputy prime minister accurately describe the position _ deputy prime minister accurately describe the position of- deputy prime minister accurately describe the position of your - describe the position of your government? _ describe the position of your government? i— describe the position of your government?— describe the position of your government? describe the position of your covernment? . , , . ., government? i have been very clear as i have government? i have been very clear as i have said _ government? i have been very clear as i have said previously. _ government? i have been very clear as i have said previously. i - government? i have been very clear as i have said previously. i want - government? i have been very clear as i have said previously. i want to i as i have said previously. i want to deliver an immigration system which means that when somebody comes here illegally, they don't have the right to stay and we will be able to return them either to their own country, where it is safe or another country, where it is safe or another country and alternative where that make sense and we will introduce legislation next year and i am confident we can deliver on the system i want to put in place i ask you, whether the home secretary is correct to say ultimately you will be required to leave the convention. we will put in place the legislation next year and we will be discussing it at the time. do next year and we will be discussing it at the time.— next year and we will be discussing it at the time. do you disagree with her? i

it at the time. do you disagree with her? i don't — it at the time. do you disagree with her? i don't think _ it at the time. do you disagree with her? i don't think i _ it at the time. do you disagree with her? i don't think i was _ it at the time. do you disagree with her? i don't think i was in _ her? i don't think i was in government _ her? i don't think i was in government when - her? i don't think i was in government when she - her? i don't think i was in i government when she made her? i don't think i was in - government when she made the comments but what i can tell you, the system, i am going to deliver, i am working with the home secretary on a dual cd —— you will see that later on. on a dual cd -- you will see that later on. , , , ~ , later on. despite the high minister of prime minister _ later on. despite the high minister of prime minister is, _ later on. despite the high minister of prime minister is, you - later on. despite the high minister of prime minister is, you were - later on. despite the high minister of prime minister is, you were on | of prime minister is, you were on engtand _ of prime minister is, you were on engtand tast _ of prime minister is, you were on england last year— of prime minister is, you were on england last year when _ of prime minister is, you were on england last year when the - of prime minister is, you were oni england last year when the deputy prime _ england last year when the deputy prime minister— england last year when the deputy prime minister said _ england last year when the deputy prime minister said it _ england last year when the deputy prime minister said it is _ england last year when the deputy prime minister said it is not - england last year when the deputy prime minister said it is not off- prime minister said it is not off the table — prime minister said it is not off the table -- _ prime minister said it is not off the table -- you _ prime minister said it is not off the table —— you were - prime minister said it is not off the table —— you were in - prime minister said it is not off- the table —— you were in parliament last year _ the table —— you were in parliament last year i— the table -- you were in parliament last ear. ., , last year. i will do everything i need to to _ last year. i will do everything i need to to fix _ last year. i will do everything i need to to fix the _ last year. i will do everything i need to to fix the problem - last year. i will do everything i need to to fix the problem of i need to to fix the problem of illegal migration and small boats coming here and we will introduce legislation in the new year that will help us do that. there are a lot of things we need to do, legislation is part of it. our approach to albania as part of it, rwanda is part of it and i am confident we can't ever on these things. confident we can't ever on these thins. ~ �* , �* ., things. when the british bill of richts bill things. when the british bill of rights bill have _ things. when the british bill of rights bill have a _ things. when the british bill of rights bill have a second - things. when the british bill of. rights bill have a second reading question— rights bill have a second reading question mark— rights bill have a second reading question mark we _ rights bill have a second reading question mark we do _ rights bill have a second reading question mark we do not- rights bill have a second reading question mark we do not have i rights bill have a second reading question mark we do not have ai question mark we do not have a specific— question mark we do not have a

specific date _ specific date. it _ specific date. it hasn't - specific date. | it hasn't been specific date. _ it hasn't been de—prioritised specific date. — it hasn't been de—prioritised to allow— it hasn't been de—prioritised to allow you — it hasn't been de—prioritised to allow you to _ it hasn't been de—prioritised to allow you to concentrate - it hasn't been de—prioritised to allow you to concentrate on - it hasn't been de—prioritised to. allow you to concentrate on new immigration _ allow you to concentrate on new immigration legislation? - allow you to concentrate on new immigration legislation? [- allow you to concentrate on new immigration legislation? [amu- allow you to concentrate on new immigration legislation?- allow you to concentrate on new immigration legislation? i am a new prime minister, _ immigration legislation? i am a new prime minister, you _ immigration legislation? i am a new prime minister, you would - immigration legislation? i am a new prime minister, you would expect i immigration legislation? i am a new. prime minister, you would expect me to look at the entire list of programme and then make decisions on that basis. some things we need to do sooner rather than later and as it is for example with northern ireland, where we have to make decisions because of the lack of functioning executive and that meant that legislation had to be introduced at that time, not something i was anticipating beforehand. those are the type of things that come up and we are keen to deliver on illegal migration and thatis to deliver on illegal migration and that is something i have said is a priority. ibiilii that is something i have said is a riori . �* ., , , that is something i have said is a riori .�* ., ,, , priority. bill of rights bill is very much _ priority. bill of rights bill is very much dominic - priority. bill of rights bill is very much dominic raab's i priority. bill of rights bill is| very much dominic raab's at priority. bill of rights bill is - very much dominic raab's at project. if very much dominic raab's at project. if the _ very much dominic raab's at project. if the allegations _ very much dominic raab's at project. if the allegations of— very much dominic raab's at project. if the allegations of bullying - if the allegations of bullying against _ if the allegations of bullying against him _ if the allegations of bullying against him that— if the allegations of bullying against him that are - if the allegations of bullying i against him that are currently if the allegations of bullying - against him that are currently being investigated — against him that are currently being investigated after— against him that are currently being investigated after to _ against him that are currently being investigated after to be _ against him that are currently being investigated after to be true - against him that are currently being investigated after to be true and . against him that are currently being investigated after to be true and he j investigated after to be true and he has to— investigated after to be true and he has to resign, — investigated after to be true and he has to resign, would _ investigated after to be true and he has to resign, would that _ investigated after to be true and he has to resign, would that be - investigated after to be true and he has to resign, would that be the - investigated after to be true and he l has to resign, would that be the end of rights? _ has to resign, would that be the end of rights? i— has to resign, would that be the end of richts? ., �* ~' has to resign, would that be the end of richts? ., �* ,, i. , . of rights? i don't think you expect me to comment _ of rights? i don't think you expect me to comment on _ of rights? i don't think you expect me to comment on that. _ of rights? i don't think you expect me to comment on that. there - of rights? i don't think you expect | me to comment on that. there was also a manifesto commitment to

update the human rights act. but there was not a manifesto commitment to repeat— there was not a manifesto commitment to repeat and _ there was not a manifesto commitment to repeal and replace _ there was not a manifesto commitment to repeal and replace the _ there was not a manifesto commitment to repeal and replace the human- to repeal and replace the human rights— to repeal and replace the human rights act — to repeal and replace the human ri hts act. to repeal and replace the human rights act-— rights act. there are lots of different things _ rights act. there are lots of different things to _ rights act. there are lots of different things to do - rights act. there are lots of different things to do it - rights act. there are lots of different things to do it but | rights act. there are lots of. different things to do it but that may be the broader point that a commitment to doing that was there from 2019. ma; commitment to doing that was there from 2019. y ... , commitment to doing that was there from 2019. g ,., , ., commitment to doing that was there from 2019. g , ., . from 2019. my point is that dominic raab's bill does _ from 2019. my point is that dominic raab's bill does not _ from 2019. my point is that dominic raab's bill does not update - from 2019. my point is that dominic raab's bill does not update the - raab's bill does not update the human — raab's bill does not update the human rights— raab's bill does not update the human rights act _ raab's bill does not update the human rights act bill, - raab's bill does not update the human rights act bill, it- raab's bill does not update the i human rights act bill, it repeals raab's bill does not update the - human rights act bill, it repeals it and replaces — human rights act bill, it repeals it and replaces it— human rights act bill, it repeals it and replaces it with _ human rights act bill, it repeals it and replaces it with something - human rights act bill, it repeals it i and replaces it with something else. are you _ and replaces it with something else. are you saying — and replaces it with something else. are you saying that— and replaces it with something else. are you saying that the _ and replaces it with something else. are you saying that the option - and replaces it with something else. are you saying that the option of - are you saying that the option of simply— are you saying that the option of simply updating _ are you saying that the option of simply updating it— are you saying that the option of simply updating it is _ are you saying that the option of simply updating it is still- are you saying that the option of simply updating it is still on- are you saying that the option of simply updating it is still on thei simply updating it is still on the table? — simply updating it is still on the table? i— simply updating it is still on the table? . , . ~ simply updating it is still on the table? ., ,, , table? i was making the broader oint that table? i was making the broader point that that _ table? i was making the broader point that that is _ table? i was making the broader point that that is where - table? i was making the broader point that that is where the - table? i was making the broader. point that that is where the genesis of the policy comes from but there are some very practical and sensible things that would be good. and everyone hopefully would agree, the weather that is deporting foreign national offenders who are using their partial right to a family life to stop being deported, whether that is convicted terrorists and prisons, who are somehow able to use the right to stop being separated from other prisoners, where we think that would cause more radicalisation and

indeed we have seen a recommendation from an independent reviewer on counterterrorism. well you're not able to deliver on those policy things because of the way that it is being interpreted, it seems entirely reasonable to look at how best to resolve this. reasonable to look at how best to resolve this-— resolve this. well your new laws contain any _ resolve this. well your new laws contain any laws? _ resolve this. well your new laws contain any laws? i _ resolve this. well your new laws contain any laws? i am - resolve this. well your new laws contain any laws? i am not - resolve this. well your new laws| contain any laws? i am not going resolve this. well your new laws . contain any laws? i am not going to sec contain any laws? i am not going to spec radon — contain any laws? i am not going to spec radon future _ contain any laws? i am not going to spec radon future legislation - contain any laws? i am not going to spec radon future legislation now i spec radon future legislation now but i will be introducing legislation next year and if someone comes here illegally, we will have the right to remove them, to either their own country or a safe country alternative. they should not have the ability to stay here and i think thatis the ability to stay here and i think that is a common—sense position that is held by the vast majority of british people and that is the system i want to deliver. the convention — system i want to deliver. the convention and _ system i want to deliver. the convention and human rights act are woven— convention and human rights act are woven into _ convention and human rights act are woven into the — convention and human rights act are woven into the scotland _ convention and human rights act are woven into the scotland act - convention and human rights act are woven into the scotland act and - convention and human rights act are woven into the scotland act and my. woven into the scotland act and my committee — woven into the scotland act and my committee has _ woven into the scotland act and my committee has heard _ woven into the scotland act and my committee has heard expert - woven into the scotland act and my. committee has heard expert evidence that they— committee has heard expert evidence that they consent _ committee has heard expert evidence that they consent to _ committee has heard expert evidence that they consent to motion - committee has heard expert evidence that they consent to motion will - committee has heard expert evidence that they consent to motion will be i that they consent to motion will be required _ that they consent to motion will be required from _ that they consent to motion will be required from the _

that they consent to motion will be required from the scottish - required from the scottish parliament— required from the scottish parliament before - required from the scottish parliament before it- required from the scottish parliament before it couldj required from the scottish i parliament before it could be repeated _ parliament before it could be repeated and _ parliament before it could be repealed and indeed - parliament before it could be repealed and indeed our- parliament before it could be - repealed and indeed our cross—party committee _ repealed and indeed our cross—party committee has — repealed and indeed our cross—party committee has recommended - repealed and indeed our cross—party committee has recommended that l repealed and indeed our cross—party. committee has recommended that you should _ committee has recommended that you should not— committee has recommended that you should not proceed _ committee has recommended that you should not proceed without _ committee has recommended that you should not proceed without that - should not proceed without that consent — should not proceed without that consent you _ should not proceed without that consent. you made _ should not proceed without that consent. you made great - should not proceed without that consent. you made great play. should not proceed without thatl consent. you made great play to should not proceed without that i consent. you made great play to my colleague _ consent. you made great play to my colleague about _ consent. you made great play to my colleague about your— consent. you made great play to my colleague about your new _ consent. you made great play to my colleague about your new agenda i consent. you made great play to my. colleague about your new agenda with the scottish— colleague about your new agenda with the scottish government _ colleague about your new agenda with the scottish government and - colleague about your new agenda with the scottish government and when i colleague about your new agenda withi the scottish government and when you took over— the scottish government and when you took over as _ the scottish government and when you took over as prime _ the scottish government and when you took over as prime minister— the scottish government and when you took over as prime minister you - the scottish government and when you took over as prime minister you said i took over as prime minister you said you wanted — took over as prime minister you said you wanted to — took over as prime minister you said you wanted to reset _ took over as prime minister you said you wanted to reset the _ took over as prime minister you said you wanted to reset the relationship| you wanted to reset the relationship between _ you wanted to reset the relationship between westminster— you wanted to reset the relationship between westminster and _ you wanted to reset the relationship between westminster and holly- you wanted to reset the relationship between westminster and holly and j between westminster and holly and that the _ between westminster and holly and that the union — between westminster and holly and that the union between _ between westminster and holly and that the union between scotland i between westminster and holly and | that the union between scotland and england _ that the union between scotland and england should — that the union between scotland and england should be _ that the union between scotland and england should be collaborative i that the union between scotland and england should be collaborative and| england should be collaborative and constructive. — england should be collaborative and constructive, so _ england should be collaborative and constructive, so in— england should be collaborative and constructive, so in that _ england should be collaborative and constructive, so in that spirit, i constructive, so in that spirit, when — constructive, so in that spirit, when you _ constructive, so in that spirit, when you respect _ constructive, so in that spirit, when you respect the - constructive, so in that spirit, when you respect the vote i constructive, so in that spirit, when you respect the vote of| constructive, so in that spirit, i when you respect the vote of the scottish — when you respect the vote of the scottish parliament _ when you respect the vote of the scottish parliament if— when you respect the vote of the scottish parliament if it- when you respect the vote of the i scottish parliament if it withholds consent _ scottish parliament if it withholds consent to — scottish parliament if it withholds consent to the _ scottish parliament if it withholds consent to the repeal— scottish parliament if it withholds consent to the repeal of- scottish parliament if it withholds consent to the repeal of the i scottish parliament if it withholds i consent to the repeal of the human rights— consent to the repeal of the human rights act? — consent to the repeal of the human rights act? i— consent to the repeal of the human ri . hts act? t, consent to the repeal of the human ri hts act? a, a, consent to the repeal of the human rihts act? a, a, t, ~ consent to the repeal of the human rights act?— consent to the repeal of the human rihts act? a, a, t, ~ , t, rights act? i want to make sure that we work through _ rights act? i want to make sure that we work through the _ rights act? i want to make sure that we work through the processes - rights act? i want to make sure that we work through the processes and i we work through the processes and there is good engagement and constructive dialogue and that is what we will try and do. it constructive dialogue and that is what we will try and do.- what we will try and do. if the outcome _ what we will try and do. if the outcome of — what we will try and do. if the outcome of the _ what we will try and do. if the outcome of the process - what we will try and do. if the outcome of the process is - what we will try and do. if the outcome of the process is the i outcome of the process is the withholding _ outcome of the process is the withholding of— outcome of the process is the withholding of consent, - outcome of the process is the withholding of consent, will. outcome of the process is the . withholding of consent, will you will respect _ withholding of consent, will you will respect that _ withholding of consent, will you will respect that in _ withholding of consent, will you will respect that in the - withholding of consent, will you will respect that in the spirit - withholding of consent, will you will respect that in the spirit of| will respect that in the spirit of collaboration _ will respect that in the spirit of collaboration and _ will respect that in the spirit of collaboration and constructive i collaboration and constructive engagement— collaboration and constructive engagement that _ collaboration and constructive engagement that you - collaboration and constructive engagement that you have i collaboration and constructive - engagement that you have promised? i don't engagement that you have promised? don't think anyone would expect all governments across the united kingdom to agree on everything that we can work collaboratively and

constructively together, we will —— we will do. it is right to have engagement about those things. you said a moment ago that the scottish partiameru— said a moment ago that the scottish parliament was _ said a moment ago that the scottish parliament was the _ said a moment ago that the scottish parliament was the most _ said a moment ago that the scottish parliament was the most powerful. parliament was the most powerful devolved — parliament was the most powerful devolved parliament _ devolved parliament anywhere in the world _ devolved parliament anywhere in the world wouldn't _ devolved parliament anywhere in the world. wouldn't you _ devolved parliament anywhere in the world. wouldn't you expect - devolved parliament anywhere in the world. wouldn't you expect such - devolved parliament anywhere in the world. wouldn't you expect such a i world. wouldn't you expect such a powerful _ world. wouldn't you expect such a powerful devolved _ world. wouldn't you expect such a powerful devolved parliament - world. wouldn't you expect such a powerful devolved parliament to l world. wouldn't you expect such a. powerful devolved parliament to be able to _ powerful devolved parliament to be able to protect _ powerful devolved parliament to be able to protect the _ powerful devolved parliament to be able to protect the human - powerful devolved parliament to be able to protect the human right - able to protect the human right laws? _ able to protect the human right laws? i— able to protect the human right laws? ., , . ., , laws? i would expect the scottish parliament _ laws? i would expect the scottish parliament to _ laws? i would expect the scottish parliament to continue _ laws? i would expect the scottish parliament to continue to - laws? i would expect the scottish i parliament to continue to delivering for its people on the things that matter, whether that is schools or policing, and working with uk government where it makes sense. prime minister, would you welcome proposals _ prime minister, would you welcome proposals from anybody on how to deliver _ proposals from anybody on how to deliver your objective of being able to either— deliver your objective of being able to either send people back to their home _ to either send people back to their home countries or send people back to a safe _ home countries or send people back to a safe country, if they arrive here _ to a safe country, if they arrive here illegally, from for example the human _ here illegally, from for example the human rights act ready, the snp, the labour— human rights act ready, the snp, the labour party, would you consider those _ labour party, would you consider those proposals? | labour party, would you consider those proposals?—

labour party, would you consider those proposals? i am always happy to hear proposals, _ those proposals? i am always happy to hear proposals, chair, _ those proposals? i am always happy to hear proposals, chair, and - those proposals? i am always happy to hear proposals, chair, and there l to hear proposals, chair, and there is no shortage of them coming my way, i have discovered. i don't me —— don't think anybody needs any invitation for me to give me their opinion. tote invitation for me to give me their oinion. ~ , ., . .,, ., opinion. we still have much european law in our system. _ opinion. we still have much european law in our system. our _ opinion. we still have much european law in our system. our statute - opinion. we still have much european law in our system. our statute book | law in our system. our statute book in the united _ law in our system. our statute book in the united kingdom _ law in our system. our statute book in the united kingdom is _ law in our system. our statute book in the united kingdom is still- in the united kingdom is still realty— in the united kingdom is still really seriously— in the united kingdom is still really seriously affected - in the united kingdom is still really seriously affected by l in the united kingdom is still. really seriously affected by cuba native _ really seriously affected by cuba native and — really seriously affected by cuba native and current _ really seriously affected by cuba native and current european- really seriously affected by cuba . native and current european union law, even— native and current european union law, even though _ native and current european union law, even though we _ native and current european union law, even though we have - native and current european union law, even though we have left. . native and current european unionl law, even though we have left. the european _ law, even though we have left. the european scrutiny— law, even though we have left. the european scrutiny committee - law, even though we have left. the european scrutiny committee has . european scrutiny committee has found _ european scrutiny committee has found this — european scrutiny committee has found this deeply— european scrutiny committee has found this deeply disturbing - european scrutiny committee has found this deeply disturbing andi european scrutiny committee has i found this deeply disturbing and the interaction — found this deeply disturbing and the interaction between _ found this deeply disturbing and the interaction between our _ found this deeply disturbing and the interaction between our own - found this deeply disturbing and thei interaction between our own statutes and european — interaction between our own statutes and european statutes _ interaction between our own statutes and european statutes includes - interaction between our own statutes and european statutes includes our. and european statutes includes our own current — and european statutes includes our own current 0nline _ and european statutes includes our own current 0nline safety- and european statutes includes our own current 0nline safety bill- and european statutes includes our own current 0nline safety bill and. own current 0nline safety bill and the european _ own current 0nline safety bill and the european union's _ own current 0nline safety bill and the european union's own- own current 0nline safety bill and the european union's own digitall the european union's own digital services — the european union's own digital services act _ the european union's own digital services act. there _ the european union's own digital services act. there is _ the european union's own digital services act. there is an - the european union's own digital services act. there is an urgent i services act. there is an urgent need _ services act. there is an urgent need in — services act. there is an urgent need in particular— services act. there is an urgent need in particular for— services act. there is an urgent need in particular for the - need in particular for the protection _ need in particular for the protection of— need in particular for the protection of our- need in particular for the| protection of our children need in particular for the - protection of our children and our grandchildren _ protection of our children and our grandchildren in _ protection of our children and our grandchildren in relation - protection of our children and our grandchildren in relation to - protection of our children and our grandchildren in relation to this l grandchildren in relation to this monstrous _ grandchildren in relation to this

monstrous and _ grandchildren in relation to this monstrous and evil— grandchildren in relation to this monstrous and evil state - grandchildren in relation to this monstrous and evil state of- grandchildren in relation to this - monstrous and evil state of affairs, which _ monstrous and evil state of affairs, which is _ monstrous and evil state of affairs, which is now— monstrous and evil state of affairs, which is now stalking _ monstrous and evil state of affairs, which is now stalking the _ monstrous and evil state of affairs, which is now stalking the land, - which is now stalking the land, where — which is now stalking the land, where there _ which is now stalking the land, where there is— which is now stalking the land, where there is child sexual- which is now stalking the land, . where there is child sexual abuse, exposure — where there is child sexual abuse, exposure of— where there is child sexual abuse, exposure of those _ where there is child sexual abuse, exposure of those children - where there is child sexual abuse, exposure of those children to - exposure of those children to harmful— exposure of those children to harmful content _ exposure of those children to harmful content online, - exposure of those children to harmful content online, i'm l exposure of those children to i harmful content online, i'm sure this is— harmful content online, i'm sure this is a — harmful content online, i'm sure this is a matter— harmful content online, i'm sure this is a matter of _ harmful content online, i'm sure this is a matter of great - harmful content online, i'm sure this is a matter of great concern| harmful content online, i'm sure . this is a matter of great concern to you as _ this is a matter of great concern to you as welt — this is a matter of great concern to you as wett this _ this is a matter of great concern to you as well. this is _ this is a matter of great concern to you as well. this is combining - this is a matter of great concern to you as well. this is combining to l you as well. this is combining to destroy— you as well. this is combining to destroy people's _ you as well. this is combining to destroy people's lives _ you as well. this is combining to destroy people's lives and - you as well. this is combining to destroy people's lives and their. destroy people's lives and their families, — destroy people's lives and their families, even— destroy people's lives and their families, even driving - destroy people's lives and their families, even driving some - destroy people's lives and their- families, even driving some children to suicide, _ families, even driving some children to suicide, such _ families, even driving some children to suicide, such as _ families, even driving some children to suicide, such as the _ families, even driving some children to suicide, such as the tragic- families, even driving some children to suicide, such as the tragic case i to suicide, such as the tragic case of moily— to suicide, such as the tragic case of molly russell, _ to suicide, such as the tragic case of molly russell, and _ to suicide, such as the tragic case of molly russell, and the - to suicide, such as the tragic case of molly russell, and the inquest| of molly russell, and the inquest proved _ of molly russell, and the inquest proved that — of molly russell, and the inquest proved that was _ of molly russell, and the inquest proved that was the _ of molly russell, and the inquest proved that was the case. - of molly russell, and the inquest proved that was the case. there i of molly russell, and the inquest| proved that was the case. there is massive _ proved that was the case. there is massive secrecy— proved that was the case. there is massive secrecy as _ proved that was the case. there is massive secrecy as we _ proved that was the case. there is massive secrecy as we now- proved that was the case. there is massive secrecy as we now know i massive secrecy as we now know through — massive secrecy as we now know through tohhy— massive secrecy as we now know through lobby documents, - massive secrecy as we now know through lobby documents, which| massive secrecy as we now know - through lobby documents, which have recentiy— through lobby documents, which have recentty been — through lobby documents, which have recently been released _ through lobby documents, which have recently been released by— through lobby documents, which have recently been released by the - through lobby documents, which have recently been released by the court. recently been released by the court of european — recently been released by the court of european observatory— recently been released by the court of european observatory and - recently been released by the court of european observatory and the i of european observatory and the freedom — of european observatory and the freedom of— of european observatory and the freedom of information - of european observatory and the . freedom of information procedures within— freedom of information procedures within those — freedom of information procedures within those institutions _ freedom of information procedures within those institutions and - freedom of information procedures within those institutions and the i within those institutions and the procedural— within those institutions and the procedural labyrinth _ within those institutions and the procedural labyrinth of - within those institutions and the procedural labyrinth of the - within those institutions and the i procedural labyrinth of the system, with firms — procedural labyrinth of the system, with firms recently _ procedural labyrinth of the system, with firms recently spending - procedural labyrinth of the system, with firms recently spending more i with firms recently spending more than £27_ with firms recently spending more than £27 million— with firms recently spending more than £27 million on— with firms recently spending more than £27 million on lobbying - with firms recently spending more than £27 million on lobbying in - with firms recently spending more i than £27 million on lobbying injust one year. _ than £27 million on lobbying injust one year. not— than £27 million on lobbying injust one year, not only _ than £27 million on lobbying injust one year, not only in _ than £27 million on lobbying injust one year, not only in the _ than £27 million on lobbying injust one year, not only in the eu - than £27 million on lobbying injust one year, not only in the eu itselfi one year, not only in the eu itself and also — one year, not only in the eu itself

and also here _ one year, not only in the eu itself and also here. we _ one year, not only in the eu itself and also here. we have _ one year, not only in the eu itself and also here. we have tabled . one year, not only in the eu itselfl and also here. we have tabled and are now— and also here. we have tabled and are now drafting _ and also here. we have tabled and are now drafting further— and also here. we have tabled and i are now drafting further amendments to our— are now drafting further amendments to our 0nline — are now drafting further amendments to our online safety _ are now drafting further amendments to our online safety bill _ are now drafting further amendments to our online safety bill to _ are now drafting further amendments to our online safety bill to impose i to our online safety bill to impose personal— to our online safety bill to impose personal criminal _ to our online safety bill to impose personal criminal liability on - to our online safety bill to impose personal criminal liability on those j personal criminal liability on those and including— personal criminal liability on those and including imprisonment- personal criminal liability on those and including imprisonment for. personal criminal liability on those i and including imprisonment for those senior— and including imprisonment for those senior managers _ and including imprisonment for those senior managers who _ and including imprisonment for those senior managers who wilfully- and including imprisonment for those senior managers who wilfully failed . senior managers who wilfully failed to comply— senior managers who wilfully failed to comply with _ senior managers who wilfully failed to comply with their _ senior managers who wilfully failed to comply with their statutory - to comply with their statutory safety — to comply with their statutory safety duties _ to comply with their statutory safety duties and _ to comply with their statutory safety duties and who - to comply with their statutory safety duties and who by - to comply with their statutory safety duties and who by the i to comply with their statutory - safety duties and who by the abuse of their— safety duties and who by the abuse of their platforms _ safety duties and who by the abuse of their platforms and _ safety duties and who by the abuse of their platforms and algorithms l of their platforms and algorithms faited _ of their platforms and algorithms failed to— of their platforms and algorithms failed to protect _ of their platforms and algorithms failed to protect children - of their platforms and algorithms failed to protect children from . failed to protect children from ontine — failed to protect children from ontine harm~ _ failed to protect children from online harm. in— failed to protect children from online harm. in this— failed to protect children from online harm. in this matter, l failed to protect children from i online harm. in this matter, we failed to protect children from - online harm. in this matter, we are fully supported _ online harm. in this matter, we are fully supported try— online harm. in this matter, we are fully supported by the _ online harm. in this matter, we are fully supported by the nspcc - online harm. in this matter, we are fully supported by the nspcc and l online harm. in this matter, we arei fully supported by the nspcc and by other children's _ fully supported by the nspcc and by other children's charities _ fully supported by the nspcc and by other children's charities and - fully supported by the nspcc and by other children's charities and by- other children's charities and by very— other children's charities and by very many— other children's charities and by very many mps across - other children's charities and by very many mps across the - other children's charities and by very many mps across the floor| other children's charities and by. very many mps across the floor of the house — very many mps across the floor of the house in— very many mps across the floor of the house in the _ very many mps across the floor of the house in the national- very many mps across the floor of| the house in the national interest. can i_ the house in the national interest. can i ask— the house in the national interest. can i ask you _ the house in the national interest. can i ask you this, _ the house in the national interest. can i ask you this, please, - the house in the national interest. can i ask you this, please, do - the house in the national interest. can i ask you this, please, do you| can i ask you this, please, do you appreciate — can i ask you this, please, do you appreciate the _ can i ask you this, please, do you appreciate the nature _ can i ask you this, please, do you appreciate the nature of - can i ask you this, please, do you appreciate the nature of the - can i ask you this, please, do you appreciate the nature of the scale of this— appreciate the nature of the scale of this problem _ appreciate the nature of the scale of this problem and _ appreciate the nature of the scale of this problem and would - appreciate the nature of the scale of this problem and would you - of this problem and would you therefore _ of this problem and would you therefore meet _ of this problem and would you therefore meet myself- of this problem and would you therefore meet myself and - of this problem and would you - therefore meet myself and others in therefore meet myself and others in the first— therefore meet myself and others in the first week — therefore meet myself and others in the first week of _ therefore meet myself and others in the first week of the _ therefore meet myself and others in the first week of the new— therefore meet myself and others in the first week of the new year - the first week of the new year before — the first week of the new year before the _ the first week of the new year before the report _ the first week of the new year before the report stage - the first week of the new year before the report stage on - the first week of the new year before the report stage on thej the first week of the new year - before the report stage on the 16th

ofjanuary— before the report stage on the 16th of january to — before the report stage on the 16th of january to ensure _ before the report stage on the 16th of january to ensure that _ before the report stage on the 16th ofjanuary to ensure that our - before the report stage on the 16th ofjanuary to ensure that our own l ofjanuary to ensure that our own 0nline _ ofjanuary to ensure that our own 0nline safety— ofjanuary to ensure that our own online safety bill— ofjanuary to ensure that our own online safety bill is _ ofjanuary to ensure that our own online safety bill is amended - ofjanuary to ensure that our own online safety bill is amended toi online safety bill is amended to include — online safety bill is amended to include the _ online safety bill is amended to include the concept _ online safety bill is amended to include the concept of— online safety bill is amended to include the concept of safety- include the concept of safety patrotters _ include the concept of safety patrollers and _ include the concept of safety patrollers and so _ include the concept of safety patrollers and so that - include the concept of safety patrollers and so that senior| patrollers and so that senior directors— patrollers and so that senior directors and _ patrollers and so that senior directors and managers - patrollers and so that senior directors and managers willi patrollers and so that senior - directors and managers will be made personally— directors and managers will be made personally and — directors and managers will be made personally and criminally _ personally and criminally responsible _ personally and criminally responsible if— personally and criminally responsible if their- personally and criminallyi responsible if their service personally and criminally - responsible if their service fails to comply— responsible if their service fails to comply with _ responsible if their service fails to comply with children's - responsible if their service fails| to comply with children's safety duties— to comply with children's safety duties which _ to comply with children's safety duties which have _ to comply with children's safety duties which have resulted - to comply with children's safety duties which have resulted in. duties which have resulted in profound _ duties which have resulted in profound harm _ duties which have resulted in profound harm to _ duties which have resulted in profound harm to our- duties which have resulted in. profound harm to our children, whatever— profound harm to our children, whatever the _ profound harm to our children, whatever the european- profound harm to our children, whatever the european union. profound harm to our children, . whatever the european union has itself— whatever the european union has itself decided _ whatever the european union has itself decided to _ whatever the european union has itself decided to legislate - whatever the european union has itself decided to legislate for - itself decided to legislate for itself? — itself decided to legislate for itself? wru— itself decided to legislate for itself? will you _ itself decided to legislate for itself? will you give - itself decided to legislate for itself? will you give me - itself decided to legislate forl itself? will you give me some itself decided to legislate for - itself? will you give me some clear understanding _ itself? will you give me some clear understanding that— itself? will you give me some clear understanding that you _ itself? will you give me some clear understanding that you will - itself? will you give me some clear understanding that you will support the proposals — understanding that you will support the proposals that _ understanding that you will support the proposals that the _ understanding that you will support the proposals that the nspcc, - understanding that you will support . the proposals that the nspcc, myself and others _ the proposals that the nspcc, myself and others in— the proposals that the nspcc, myself and others in this _ the proposals that the nspcc, myself and others in this matter? _ the proposals that the nspcc, myself and others in this matter? it- the proposals that the nspcc, myself and others in this matter? it is - the proposals that the nspcc, myself and others in this matter?— and others in this matter? it is a really important _ and others in this matter? it is a really important piece _ and others in this matter? it is a really important piece of - really important piece of legislation. for exactly the reasons you have outlined. our children are not as safe as they deserve to be online and liberalising is a world leading piece of legislation that has been designed to ensure that large tech companies take more responsibly for the safety of their

users, especially children, there are strong protections in their for our children, they have welcomed by stakeholders across—the—board and to your point on the powers that we have to hold them to account, ofcom will now be able to find them up to 10% of their global turnover, which is a significant... it can direct them to make significant improvements onto their platforms, it can force services to remove content and senior managers are under the bill already able to face criminal sanctions if their company does not comply with ofcom requirements. the culture secretary has been engaging with all parties widely. the bill has been widely supported by notjust former secretaries of state but children's groups and others and it is something we are leading the world

in and we will continue to engage with colleagues as the bill makes its way through parliament. idan’t its way through parliament. don't ou acce -t its way through parliament. don't you accept the — its way through parliament. don't you accept the premise, - its way through parliament. don't you accept the premise, i - its way through parliament. don't you accept the premise, i have i its way through parliament. don't you accept the premise, i have asked you accept the premise, i have asked you if— you accept the premise, i have asked you if you _ you accept the premise, i have asked you if you would _ you accept the premise, i have asked you if you would meet _ you accept the premise, i have asked you if you would meet with _ you accept the premise, i have asked you if you would meet with us - you accept the premise, i have asked you if you would meet with us to - you if you would meet with us to discuss — you if you would meet with us to discuss these _ you if you would meet with us to discuss these matters, - you if you would meet with us to discuss these matters, becausei discuss these matters, because unfortunately— discuss these matters, because unfortunately the _ discuss these matters, because unfortunately the criminal- unfortunately the criminal responsibility— unfortunately the criminal responsibility to - unfortunately the criminal responsibility to which - unfortunately the criminal| responsibility to which you unfortunately the criminal- responsibility to which you refer is one stage — responsibility to which you refer is one stage removed, _ responsibility to which you refer is one stage removed, it _ responsibility to which you refer is one stage removed, it is - responsibility to which you refer is one stage removed, it is not - responsibility to which you refer is| one stage removed, it is not direct and it— one stage removed, it is not direct and it is— one stage removed, it is not direct and it is not— one stage removed, it is not direct and it is not deal— one stage removed, it is not direct and it is not deal with _ one stage removed, it is not direct and it is not deal with the - one stage removed, it is not direct and it is not deal with the problemj and it is not deal with the problem as nspcc— and it is not deal with the problem as nspcc and _ and it is not deal with the problem as nspcc and others _ and it is not deal with the problem as nspcc and others have - and it is not deal with the problem as nspcc and others have clearly. as nspcc and others have clearly stated _ as nspcc and others have clearly stated i— as nspcc and others have clearly stated. . , . stated. i am sure the culture secretary — stated. i am sure the culture secretary will _ stated. i am sure the culture secretary will continue - stated. i am sure the culture secretary will continue to - stated. i am sure the culture - secretary will continue to engage on the specific detail but the principle of the bill as far as i understand it and what we want to achieve is that senior minute —— managers could face a committal sanctions if the companies do not comply with requirements but i will have the culture secretary pick that up. have the culture secretary pick that u -. have the culture secretary pick that u . _ ~ , have the culture secretary pick that u -. ~ , ,., ., up. prime minister, something to look forward _ up. prime minister, something to look forward to _ up. prime minister, something to look forward to in _ up. prime minister, something to look forward to in the _ up. prime minister, something to look forward to in the new - up. prime minister, something to look forward to in the new year. | up. prime minister, something to| look forward to in the new year. i will look forward to in the new year. will get the look forward to in the new year. i will get the culture secretary to pick it up immediately.- will get the culture secretary to pick it up immediately. thank you very much- _ pick it up immediately. thank you very much. next, _ pick it up immediately. thank you very much. next, from _ pick it up immediately. thank you very much. next, from the - pick it up immediately. thank you|

very much. next, from the justice very much. next, from the justice committee — very much. next, from the justice committee-— very much. next, from the justice committee. ., , ., , , ., .«r committee. how seriously do you take the government _ committee. how seriously do you take the government obligation _ committee. how seriously do you take the government obligation under - committee. how seriously do you take the government obligation under the i the government obligation under the constitutional— the government obligation under the constitutional reform _ the government obligation under the constitutional reform act _ the government obligation under the constitutional reform act two - the government obligation under the constitutional reform act two —— - the government obligation under the constitutional reform act two —— at l constitutional reform act two —— at all the _ constitutional reform act two —— at all the independence _ constitutional reform act two —— at all the independence of— constitutional reform act two —— at all the independence of the - all the independence of the judiciary— all the independence of the judiciary and _ all the independence of the judiciary and to _ all the independence of the judiciary and to provide - all the independence of the - judiciary and to provide adequate resource — judiciary and to provide adequate resource for— judiciary and to provide adequate resource for the _ judiciary and to provide adequate resource for the efficient - judiciary and to provide adequate i resource for the efficient discharge of the _ resource for the efficient discharge of the justice — resource for the efficient discharge of the justice system? _ resource for the efficient discharge of the justice system? of- resource for the efficient discharge of the justice system?— of the 'ustice system? of course, i am of the justice system? of course, i am committed _ of the justice system? of course, i am committed to _ of the justice system? of course, i am committed to that, _ of the justice system? of course, i am committed to that, absolutely| am committed to that, absolutely according to howl am committed to that, absolutely according to how i see the world and you are right about resources. i think we are investing about £138 million additionally into the criminal legal aid says —— sector for example and implement in a 15% to most schemes, that is something that you have thought about and mentioned in the past. in some, it all mean that our criminal legal aid lawyers will receive the book —— biggest boost in some decades. despite that investment, which i recognise, — despite that investment, which i recognise, peopte _ despite that investment, which i recognise, people can— despite that investment, which i recognise, people can be - despite that investment, which i| recognise, people can be waiting despite that investment, which i - recognise, people can be waiting for two years— recognise, people can be waiting for two years for — recognise, people can be waiting for two years for a — recognise, people can be waiting for two years for a serious _ recognise, people can be waiting for two years for a serious sexual - recognise, people can be waiting for

two years for a serious sexual case i two years for a serious sexual case to be _ two years for a serious sexual case to be heard — two years for a serious sexual case to be heard or— two years for a serious sexual case to be heard or a _ two years for a serious sexual case to be heard or a small— two years for a serious sexual case to be heard or a small business - two years for a serious sexual case | to be heard or a small business can wait 18_ to be heard or a small business can wait 18 months— to be heard or a small business can wait 18 months for— to be heard or a small business can wait 18 months for a _ to be heard or a small business can wait 18 months for a money- to be heard or a small business can wait 18 months for a money claim l to be heard or a small business cani wait 18 months for a money claim to be resolved — wait 18 months for a money claim to be resolved-— wait 18 months for a money claim to be resolved. , ., , , ., be resolved. yes, we absolutely have a challenae be resolved. yes, we absolutely have a challenge with _ be resolved. yes, we absolutely have a challenge with the _ be resolved. yes, we absolutely have a challenge with the backlog - be resolved. yes, we absolutely have a challenge with the backlog in - be resolved. yes, we absolutely have a challenge with the backlog in our. a challenge with the backlog in our court system. as a result of covid, b player, and that is why any spending review in 2021, we allocated extra money to try and get those back down. we were making drugs until the barrister strike. but we need to now redouble our efforts —— we were making progress. we need to remove the litter —— limit on the sitting days. i'd also providing more support for remote hearings. and nightingale courts. all of that will help us move through the backlog. it is important to have swift and timely access to justice and this deserves our attention and is getting it. you are

due to meet _ attention and is getting it. you are due to meet the _ attention and is getting it. you are due to meet the lord _ attention and is getting it. you are due to meet the lord chief- attention and is getting it. you are due to meet the lord chiefjustice| due to meet the lord chiefjustice in the _ due to meet the lord chiefjustice in the new— due to meet the lord chiefjustice in the new year. _ due to meet the lord chiefjustice in the new year. when _ due to meet the lord chiefjustice in the new year. when you - due to meet the lord chiefjustice in the new year. when you make| due to meet the lord chiefjustice - in the new year. when you make clear the concerns _ in the new year. when you make clear the concerns about _ in the new year. when you make clear the concerns about the _ in the new year. when you make clear the concerns about the delays - in the new year. when you make clear the concerns about the delays and - the concerns about the delays and pressures— the concerns about the delays and pressures on — the concerns about the delays and pressures on the _ the concerns about the delays and pressures on the system - the concerns about the delays and pressures on the system as - the concerns about the delays and pressures on the system as it - pressures on the system as it currently— pressures on the system as it currently stands. _ pressures on the system as it currently stands. [— pressures on the system as it currently stands.— currently stands. i look for to meetin: currently stands. i look for to meeting him _ currently stands. i look for to meeting him and _ currently stands. i look for to meeting him and having - currently stands. i look for to meeting him and having that| meeting him and having that conversation.— meeting him and having that conversation. legal certainty is important _ conversation. legal certainty is important for— conversation. legal certainty is important for british _ conversation. legal certainty is important for british business i conversation. legal certainty is i important for british business and investment— important for british business and investment in— important for british business and investment in the _ important for british business and investment in the uk. _ important for british business and investment in the uk.— important for british business and investment in the uk. yes, you are riaht investment in the uk. yes, you are right about — investment in the uk. yes, you are right about that. _ investment in the uk. yes, you are right about that. it _ investment in the uk. yes, you are right about that. it is _ investment in the uk. yes, you are right about that. it is not _ investment in the uk. yes, you are right about that. it is notjust - right about that. it is notjust individuals, businesses as well, it is important we have timelyjustice and certainty. is important we have timely 'ustice and «mimi is important we have timely 'ustice and certainty. how does a provision that would automatically _ and certainty. how does a provision that would automatically retain - and certainty. how does a provision that would automatically retain eu| that would automatically retain eu legislation, — that would automatically retain eu legislation, that _ that would automatically retain eu legislation, that will— that would automatically retain eu legislation, that will expire - legislation, that will expire automatically— legislation, that will expire automatically at _ legislation, that will expire automatically at the - legislation, that will expire automatically at the end i legislation, that will expire automatically at the end ofj legislation, that will expire - automatically at the end of 2023 add to business— automatically at the end of 2023 add to business certainty? _ automatically at the end of 2023 add to business certainty? [— automatically at the end of 2023 add to business certainty?— to business certainty? i think on that point. _ to business certainty? i think on that point. it — to business certainty? i think on that point, it is _ to business certainty? i think on that point, it is right _ to business certainty? i think on that point, it is right that - to business certainty? i think on that point, it is right that we - to business certainty? i think on i that point, it is right that we look at the stock of retain eu law but we have got and make sure that we in the uk parliament have decided what we want to keep and what we want to change and i want to move on with

that as quickly is possible. there are some provisions in the bill, as you know, forflexible at are some provisions in the bill, as you know, for flexible at your own doing that but i do think it is right that we make progress. bare doing that but i do think it is right that we make progress. are you 0 en to right that we make progress. are you open to some — right that we make progress. are you open to some fixity _ right that we make progress. are you open to some fixity only _ right that we make progress. are you open to some fixity only time-limit? | open to some fixity only time—limit? it is open to some fixity only time—limit? it is about— open to some fixity only time—limit? it is about making _ open to some fixity only time—limit? it is about making sure _ open to some fixity only time—limit? it is about making sure that - open to some fixity only time—limit? it is about making sure that we - open to some fixity only time—limit? it is about making sure that we can. it is about making sure that we can do this properly, which is what we are going to do. the referendum happened several years ago and i think it is appropriate we look at the statute book and say, have —— hang on, which bits of these... which bits of these do we actually think are right for the uk? and it may well be that bits of them are and that will be straightforward but they will certainly be areas, areas of the economy where we want to see growth, life science, financial services, we are reforming already, well you will want to take advantage of the new flexibilities that we have to do things differently and create opportunities and these can —— in this country and that is important to demonstrate some of the benefits of the freedoms we have

from brexit but i believe we need to do it quickly to provide the certainty that people should expect. does that mean arbitrarily or should we do _ does that mean arbitrarily or should we do it— does that mean arbitrarily or should we do it thoroughly? _ does that mean arbitrarily or should we do it thoroughly?— we do it thoroughly? quickly and thoroughly- _ we do it thoroughly? quickly and thoroughly. what _ we do it thoroughly? quickly and thoroughly. what people - we do it thoroughly? quickly and thoroughly. what people should | we do it thoroughly? quickly and i thoroughly. what people should be focused on and what —— are what the practical changes we are going to make that will make it better in the uk. i am focused on that. here are the things we are going to change and this is what we will work on. one final point, you referred when you became — one final point, you referred when you became prime _ one final point, you referred when you became prime minister- one final point, you referred when you became prime minister to- you became prime minister to detivering _ you became prime minister to detivering on _ you became prime minister to delivering on the _ you became prime minister to delivering on the 2019 - you became prime minister to- delivering on the 2019 manifesto. it has already— delivering on the 2019 manifesto. it has already been _ delivering on the 2019 manifesto. it has already been referred _ delivering on the 2019 manifesto. it has already been referred to - delivering on the 2019 manifesto. it has already been referred to that i delivering on the 2019 manifesto. it| has already been referred to that we ought _ has already been referred to that we ought to— has already been referred to that we ought to update _ has already been referred to that we ought to update on _ has already been referred to that we ought to update on human _ has already been referred to that we ought to update on human rights. i. ought to update on human rights. i don't _ ought to update on human rights. i don't think— ought to update on human rights. i don't think you _ ought to update on human rights. i don't think you have _ ought to update on human rights. i don't think you have ever - ought to update on human rights. ii don't think you have ever suggested teaving _ don't think you have ever suggested leaving the — don't think you have ever suggested leaving the convention, _ don't think you have ever suggested leaving the convention, prime - leaving the convention, prime minister? _ leaving the convention, prime minister? ., ,., ., ., minister? the reason we have -- are havin: minister? the reason we have -- are having this — minister? the reason we have -- are having this conversation _ minister? the reason we have -- are having this conversation is _ minister? the reason we have -- are having this conversation is relating . having this conversation is relating to illegal migration and diane clear about the system i want to deliver and there are a lot of theories

people will have and the example i will use is albania. i made the point that lots of other european countries, the large majority of them, or reject. 100% of albanian cases stop so we must be able to fix the problem we have with illegal immigrants from albania. in the problem we have with illegal immigrants from albania. in terms of u -adatin , immigrants from albania. in terms of updating. will — immigrants from albania. in terms of updating. will you — immigrants from albania. in terms of updating, will you have _ immigrants from albania. in terms of updating, will you have another i immigrants from albania. in terms of updating, will you have another look| updating, will you have another look at the _ updating, will you have another look at the report — updating, will you have another look at the report by— updating, will you have another look at the report by sir— updating, will you have another look at the report by sir peter— updating, will you have another look at the report by sir peter cross i at the report by sir peter cross which — at the report by sir peter cross which suggested _ at the report by sir peter cross which suggested updating i at the report by sir peter cross which suggested updating and i at the report by sir peter crossl which suggested updating and a number— which suggested updating and a number of— which suggested updating and a number of specific— which suggested updating and a number of specific changes i which suggested updating and a number of specific changes in i which suggested updating and a i number of specific changes in areas. yes, _ number of specific changes in areas. yes. i_ number of specific changes in areas. yes. i i_ number of specific changes in areas. yes. i i am _ number of specific changes in areas. yes. i i am going— number of specific changes in areas. yes. i i am going to— number of specific changes in areas. yes, i i am going to defer— number of specific changes in areas. yes, i i am going to defer to- number of specific changes in areas. yes, i i am going to defer to your. yes, i i am going to defer to your expertise on this. i am grateful to sir peter cross and his panel for

their report and i know the justice secretary and the government have considered the report and is producing its own consultation in this area. you will be more familiar with that than i probably am. taking on board some of the spirit of the suggestions, for example an emphasis on common law but i will take that as well —— a as well. in relation to the department at risk of— in relation to the department at risk of overload _ in relation to the department at risk of overload because - in relation to the department at risk of overload because of i in relation to the department at risk of overload because of a i risk of overload because of a backlog _ risk of overload because of a backlog of _ risk of overload because of a backlog of work, _ risk of overload because of a backlog of work, that - risk of overload because of a backlog of work, that is i risk of overload because of a i backlog of work, that is defra. risk of overload because of a - backlog of work, that is defra. one of the _ backlog of work, that is defra. one of the pieces— backlog of work, that is defra. one of the pieces of— backlog of work, that is defra. one of the pieces of legislation - backlog of work, that is defra. one of the pieces of legislation which i of the pieces of legislation which is expected — of the pieces of legislation which is expected to _ of the pieces of legislation which is expected to be _ of the pieces of legislation which is expected to be concluded i of the pieces of legislation which l is expected to be concluded during the course — is expected to be concluded during the course of— is expected to be concluded during the course of 2023 _ is expected to be concluded during the course of 2023 is _ is expected to be concluded during the course of 2023 is retained i is expected to be concluded during the course of 2023 is retained eu i the course of 2023 is retained eu law revocation _ the course of 2023 is retained eu law revocation reform _ the course of 2023 is retained eu law revocation reform bill- the course of 2023 is retained eu law revocation reform bill and i the course of 2023 is retained eui law revocation reform bill and that includes _ law revocation reform bill and that includes a — law revocation reform bill and that includes a vast _ law revocation reform bill and that includes a vast number— law revocation reform bill and that includes a vast number of - law revocation reform bill and that includes a vast number of pieces l law revocation reform bill and that| includes a vast number of pieces of tegistation— includes a vast number of pieces of legislation stemming _ includes a vast number of pieces of legislation stemming from - includes a vast number of pieces of legislation stemming from relating | legislation stemming from relating to the _ legislation stemming from relating to the environment. _ legislation stemming from relating to the environment. there - legislation stemming from relating to the environment. there is- legislation stemming from relating to the environment. there is no. to the environment. there is no ctarity— to the environment. there is no ctarity at — to the environment. there is no ctarity at this _ to the environment. there is no clarity at this point _

to the environment. there is no clarity at this point as _ to the environment. there is no clarity at this point as to - to the environment. there is no clarity at this point as to where i clarity at this point as to where the process— clarity at this point as to where the process of— clarity at this point as to where the process of reviewing - clarity at this point as to where the process of reviewing those| clarity at this point as to where i the process of reviewing those laws has got _ the process of reviewing those laws has got to _ the process of reviewing those laws has got to and _ the process of reviewing those laws has got to and therefore _ the process of reviewing those laws has got to and therefore there i the process of reviewing those laws has got to and therefore there is i the process of reviewing those laws has got to and therefore there is a i has got to and therefore there is a lot of— has got to and therefore there is a lot of concern _ has got to and therefore there is a lot of concern that _ has got to and therefore there is a lot of concern that there _ has got to and therefore there is a lot of concern that there may - has got to and therefore there is a lot of concern that there may be . lot of concern that there may be some _ lot of concern that there may be some wholesale _ lot of concern that there may be some wholesale changes - lot of concern that there may be some wholesale changes to - some wholesale changes to environmental— some wholesale changes to environmental law- some wholesale changes to i environmental law undertaken some wholesale changes to - environmental law undertaken at short_ environmental law undertaken at short notice _ environmental law undertaken at short notice and _ environmental law undertaken at short notice and with _ environmental law undertaken at short notice and with little - environmental law undertaken ati short notice and with little ability for either— short notice and with little ability for either houses _ short notice and with little ability for either houses of _ short notice and with little ability for either houses of parliament l short notice and with little ability| for either houses of parliament to review_ for either houses of parliament to review them _ for either houses of parliament to review them. can _ for either houses of parliament to review them. can you _ for either houses of parliament to review them. can you give - for either houses of parliament to review them. can you give us - for either houses of parliament to i review them. can you give us some clarity— review them. can you give us some clarity about — review them. can you give us some clarity about the _ review them. can you give us some clarity about the timetable - review them. can you give us some clarity about the timetable for- clarity about the timetable for that, — clarity about the timetable for that, about _ clarity about the timetable for that, about the _ clarity about the timetable for that, about the extent - clarity about the timetable for that, about the extent to - clarity about the timetable for. that, about the extent to which clarity about the timetable for- that, about the extent to which the defra _ that, about the extent to which the defra ministerial— that, about the extent to which the defra ministerial team _ that, about the extent to which the defra ministerial team could - that, about the extent to which the defra ministerial team could be i defra ministerial team could be directed — defra ministerial team could be directed to — defra ministerial team could be directed to start _ defra ministerial team could be directed to start working - defra ministerial team could be directed to start working and - defra ministerial team could bei directed to start working and give some _ directed to start working and give some reassurance _ directed to start working and give some reassurance that _ directed to start working and give some reassurance that the - some reassurance that the environmental— some reassurance that the environmental provisions i some reassurance that the . environmental provisions are some reassurance that the - environmental provisions are not going _ environmental provisions are not going to — environmental provisions are not going to be — environmental provisions are not going to be disturbed _ environmental provisions are not| going to be disturbed wholesale? yes, going to be disturbed wholesale? yes. we — going to be disturbed wholesale? yes. we have _ going to be disturbed wholesale? yes, we have already _ going to be disturbed wholesale? yes, we have already committed| going to be disturbed wholesale?| yes, we have already committed i think during the second reading of the devil that it would not weaken environmental protection, so that commitment has already been made —— second reading of the bill. we want to make sure these always functioning and there are improved environmental outcomes that i think everyone wants to see and make sure the framework is tailored and appropriate for our own country. you

also just look at the proof points we have already introduced, fisheries act, environment act, those are all ambitious reforms to all those areas post leaving the european union, which i think we have done successfully. and we have already repealed over 100 —— have done successfully. and we have already repealed over 100 "140 bits already repealed over 100 —— 140 bits of retained eu law, especially with the fisheries example. in terms of process from here, there is a public dashboard that defra had put in place and we expect that to be updated in the new year to reflect the full extent of the role regulations we think are in scope and i look forward to working with you and others to make sure we get this right. you and others to make sure we get this riuht. , ., this right. one minister told me that officials _ this right. one minister told me that officials are _ this right. one minister told me that officials are being - this right. one minister told me i that officials are being constrained from drafting replacement regulations and consulting because they are _ regulations and consulting because they are not allowed to do that untit— they are not allowed to do that until the — they are not allowed to do that until the legislation is on the statute — until the legislation is on the statute book. can i suggest that you

authorise _ statute book. can i suggest that you authorise departments to start drafting — authorise departments to start drafting and consulting on the replacement regulation from now, so that as _ replacement regulation from now, so that as soon — replacement regulation from now, so that as soon as the statute is approved, _ that as soon as the statute is approved, they can get on with the parliamentary process of scrutinising this stuff because that is where _ scrutinising this stuff because that is where the bottom leg is going to exist because two yes, i will certainty— exist because two yes, i will certainly take that away. there is a bod of certainly take that away. there is a body of work _ certainly take that away. there is a body of work to _ certainly take that away. there is a body of work to be _ certainly take that away. there is a body of work to be done. _ certainly take that away. there is a body of work to be done. as - certainly take that away. there is a body of work to be done. as a - certainly take that away. there is a - body of work to be done. as a member ofthe body of work to be done. as a member of the northern — body of work to be done. as a member of the northern ireland _ body of work to be done. as a member of the northern ireland affairs - of the northern ireland affairs committee. _ of the northern ireland affairs committee. '— of the northern ireland affairs committee, i welcome - of the northern ireland affairs committee, i welcome the - of the northern ireland affairsi committee, i welcome the fact of the northern ireland affairs - committee, i welcome the fact you did attend — committee, i welcome the fact you did attend the _ committee, i welcome the fact you did attend the british _ committee, i welcome the fact you did attend the british and - committee, i welcome the fact you did attend the british and i- did attend the british and i councit~ _ did attend the british and i council. there _ did attend the british and i council. there are - did attend the british and i council. there are strong l did attend the british and i- council. there are strong rovers that— council. there are strong rovers that the — council. there are strong rovers that the uk_ council. there are strong rovers that the uk and _ council. there are strong rovers that the uk and the _ council. there are strong rovers that the uk and the eu - council. there are strong rovers that the uk and the eu are - council. there are strong rovers. that the uk and the eu are working onan— that the uk and the eu are working on an agreement _ that the uk and the eu are working on an agreement —— _ that the uk and the eu are working on an agreement —— strong - that the uk and the eu are working i on an agreement —— strong rumours. that the uk and the eu are working. on an agreement —— strong rumours. i have on an agreement —— strong rumours. have been clear that i have not put ann arbor trio strict deadline on the conversations that we are having. i don't think that is

helpful and i don't want to necessarily raise expectations on a breakthrough. what i am committed to doing is working constructively with our european partners to see if we can find a way through this, to resolve the very clear challenges that the protocol presents tool northern ireland's place in the uk and i want to see those problems fixed and protect its place in the union. the foreign secretary met recently and those talks are ongoing. recently and those talks are onauoin. �* ., recently and those talks are onauoin. . ., ,, . recently and those talks are onauoin. ., ,, . . , ongoing. and one issue that affects eve art ongoing. and one issue that affects every part of _ ongoing. and one issue that affects every part of the — ongoing. and one issue that affects every part of the uk _ ongoing. and one issue that affects every part of the uk in _ ongoing. and one issue that affects every part of the uk in education i every part of the uk in education spaces _ every part of the uk in education spaces the — every part of the uk in education spaces the issue _ every part of the uk in education spaces the issue of— every part of the uk in education spaces the issue of international| spaces the issue of international students, — spaces the issue of international students, being _ spaces the issue of international students, being a _ spaces the issue of international students, being a region - spaces the issue of international students, being a region —— - spaces the issue of international. students, being a region —— recent suggestion— students, being a region —— recent suggestion that _ students, being a region —— recent suggestion that they— students, being a region —— recent suggestion that they could - students, being a region —— recent suggestion that they could be - students, being a region —— recent suggestion that they could be a i suggestion that they could be a crackdown _ suggestion that they could be a crackdown reduction _ suggestion that they could be a crackdown reduction in - suggestion that they could be a crackdown reduction in the - suggestion that they could be a - crackdown reduction in the numbers, yet when _ crackdown reduction in the numbers, yet when i _ crackdown reduction in the numbers, yet when i visited _ crackdown reduction in the numbers, yet when i visited universities, - yet when i visited universities, they— yet when i visited universities, they att— yet when i visited universities, they all vaiue _ yet when i visited universities, they all value the _ yet when i visited universities, they all value the international students, _ they all value the international students, both— they all value the international students, both the _ they all value the international students, both the economic l they all value the international. students, both the economic and cultural— students, both the economic and cultural benefits— students, both the economic and cultural benefits that _ students, both the economic and cultural benefits that they- students, both the economic and cultural benefits that they bring. | students, both the economic and i cultural benefits that they bring. i remember— cultural benefits that they bring. i remember we _ cultural benefits that they bring. i remember we celebrated - cultural benefits that they bring. i remember we celebrated hitting i cultural benefits that they bring. i . remember we celebrated hitting the

mitestone _ remember we celebrated hitting the miiestone of— remember we celebrated hitting the milestone of 600,000 _ milestone of 600,000 international students _ milestone of 600,000 international students as— milestone of 600,000 international students as a — milestone of 600,000 international students as a good _ milestone of 600,000 international students as a good thing. _ milestone of 600,000 international students as a good thing. do - milestone of 600,000 international students as a good thing. do you . students as a good thing. do you think— students as a good thing. do you think that — students as a good thing. do you think that is _ students as a good thing. do you think that is a — students as a good thing. do you think that is a target _ students as a good thing. do you think that is a target we - students as a good thing. do you think that is a target we should l think that is a target we should continue — think that is a target we should continue to— think that is a target we should continue to pursue? _ think that is a target we should continue to pursue? do - think that is a target we should continue to pursue? do you - think that is a target we should . continue to pursue? do you think think that is a target we should - continue to pursue? do you think we should _ continue to pursue? do you think we should go— continue to pursue? do you think we should go further, _ continue to pursue? do you think we should go further, or— continue to pursue? do you think we should go further, or do _ continue to pursue? do you think we should go further, or do you - continue to pursue? do you think we should go further, or do you think i should go further, or do you think there _ should go further, or do you think there is— should go further, or do you think there is some _ should go further, or do you think there is some reason _ should go further, or do you think there is some reason to _ should go further, or do you think there is some reason to reduce i should go further, or do you thinki there is some reason to reduce the numbers? — there is some reason to reduce the numbers? i— there is some reason to reduce the numbers? ~' . ., . numbers? i think international students do — numbers? i think international students do make _ numbers? i think international students do make a _ numbers? i think international students do make a significant economic and cultural contribution to the uk higher education system andindeed to the uk higher education system and indeed the uk. and it is a good thing. and the point to recognise is the target we set of 600,000 was 2030 and we have met it several years early. i think that is a sign of success. i don't think anyone is doubting the contribution of those students. , ., doubting the contribution of those students. , . ., , , students. given all our universities are elite institutions, _ students. given all our universities are elite institutions, the - are elite institutions, the suggestions _ are elite institutions, the suggestions of— are elite institutions, the suggestions of only- are elite institutions, the i suggestions of only allowing are elite institutions, the - suggestions of only allowing some are elite institutions, the _ suggestions of only allowing some to work with— suggestions of only allowing some to work with international _ suggestions of only allowing some to work with international students - suggestions of only allowing some to work with international students is i work with international students is a nonstarter? _

work with international students is a nonstarter? it— work with international students is a nonstarter? [it is— work with international students is a nonstarter?— a nonstarter? it is not something that i a nonstarter? it is not something that i have _ a nonstarter? it is not something that i have spoken _ a nonstarter? it is not something that i have spoken about. - a nonstarter? it is not something that i have spoken about. i - a nonstarter? it is not something that i have spoken about. i want| a nonstarter? it is not something i that i have spoken about. i want to make sure that we attract the best and the brightest of the uk. there is a global competition for talent and we want to make sure... 0ur visa system is very competitive and the reforms we have put in place will continue to attract people here. we want to make sure that they are contributing one way or another and thatis contributing one way or another and that is an important foundation of a proper migration system. you that is an important foundation of a proper migration system.— proper migration system. you are lookin: at proper migration system. you are looking at a _ proper migration system. you are looking at a british _ proper migration system. you are looking at a british baccalaureate | looking at a british baccalaureate for post-16, _ looking at a british baccalaureate for post—16, given _ looking at a british baccalaureate for post—16, given we _ looking at a british baccalaureate for post—16, given we are - looking at a british baccalaureate for post—16, given we are talking | for post—16, given we are talking about— for post—16, given we are talking about the — for post—16, given we are talking about the union, _ for post—16, given we are talking about the union, what— for post—16, given we are talking - about the union, what conversations have there _ about the union, what conversations have there been _ about the union, what conversations have there been with _ about the union, what conversations have there been with the _ about the union, what conversations have there been with the devolved . have there been with the devolved administrations? _ have there been with the devolved administrations? education- have there been with the devolved administrations? education is- have there been with the devolved l administrations? education is wholly devolved _ administrations? education is wholly devolved. the — administrations? education is wholly devolved. ., administrations? education is wholly devolved. . , administrations? education is wholly devolved. . . devolved. the main focus as a secretary _ devolved. the main focus as a secretary of — devolved. the main focus as a secretary of state _ devolved. the main focus as a secretary of state said - devolved. the main focus as a i secretary of state said previously at the select committee is it is about looking at maps and we are an

outlier country any kind of lack of maths study after 16 compared to almost everyone else. and we certainly lagged behind numeracy when it comes to young adults, significantly behind the average and given how important that is for people's purities in life, their ability to have good jobs, i think it is worth looking at that —— opportunities in life. we need to make sure that our children and grandchildren have a fantastic future ahead of them. i grandchildren have a fantastic future ahead of them. i should have 'ust future ahead of them. i should have just mentioned _ future ahead of them. i should have just mentioned that _ future ahead of them. i should have just mentioned that mr _ future ahead of them. i should have just mentioned that mr walker - future ahead of them. i should have just mentioned that mr walker is i just mentioned that mr walker is standing — just mentioned that mr walker is standing in for the chair of the northern— standing in for the chair of the northern ireland committee. how he finds the _ northern ireland committee. how he finds the time for it all, i don't know — finds the time for it all, i don't know. , , ., , ., know. given you said it will be one ofthe know. given you said it will be one of the first — know. given you said it will be one of the first things _ know. given you said it will be one of the first things you _ know. given you said it will be one of the first things you do _ know. given you said it will be one of the first things you do and - know. given you said it will be one of the first things you do and you i of the first things you do and you have _ of the first things you do and you have already _ of the first things you do and you have already outlined _ of the first things you do and you have already outlined —— - of the first things you do and you i have already outlined —— outlasted the last _ have already outlined —— outlasted the last prime _ have already outlined —— outlasted the last prime minister, _ have already outlined —— outlasted the last prime minister, where - have already outlined —— outlasted the last prime minister, where is.

the last prime minister, where is your— the last prime minister, where is your independent— the last prime minister, where is your independent ethics - the last prime minister, where is| your independent ethics adviser? yes. _ your independent ethics adviser? yes. i_ your independent ethics adviser? yes. i am — your independent ethics adviser? yes, iam hopeful— your independent ethics adviser? yes, i am hopeful i _ your independent ethics adviser? yes, i am hopeful i can— your independent ethics adviser? yes, i am hopeful i can make - your independent ethics adviser? yes, i am hopeful i can make an| yes, i am hopeful i can make an announcement on that soon stop it is important to get someone who i think is right for thejob important to get someone who i think is right for the job and i important to get someone who i think is right for thejob and i am hard at it, rest assured. hopefully we will have an announcement soon. qm. will have an announcement soon. ok, and i will have an announcement soon. ok, and i appreciate _ will have an announcement soon. 0k, and i appreciate you cannot comment on ongoing _ and i appreciate you cannot comment on ongoing iegal— and i appreciate you cannot comment on ongoing legal proceedings - and i appreciate you cannot comment on ongoing legal proceedings but - and i appreciate you cannot comment on ongoing legal proceedings but doi on ongoing legal proceedings but do you regret _ on ongoing legal proceedings but do you regret ignoring _ on ongoing legal proceedings but do you regret ignoring the _ on ongoing legal proceedings but do you regret ignoring the warnings- you regret ignoring the warnings about— you regret ignoring the warnings about tack— you regret ignoring the warnings about tack of— you regret ignoring the warnings about lack of basic _ you regret ignoring the warnings about lack of basic checks, - you regret ignoring the warnings| about lack of basic checks, which have _ about lack of basic checks, which have resulted _ about lack of basic checks, which have resulted in _ about lack of basic checks, which have resulted in an _ about lack of basic checks, which have resulted in an estimated i about lack of basic checks, which . have resulted in an estimated {6.7 billion— have resulted in an estimated {6.7 billion of— have resulted in an estimated {6.7 billion of public— have resulted in an estimated {6.7 billion of public money— have resulted in an estimated {6.7 billion of public money being - have resulted in an estimated £67. billion of public money being wasted to fraud _ billion of public money being wasted to fraud on _ billion of public money being wasted to fraud on covid _ billion of public money being wasted to fraud on covid contracts. - billion of public money being wasted to fraud on covid contracts. [- billion of public money being wasted to fraud on covid contracts.- to fraud on covid contracts. i have addressed — to fraud on covid contracts. i have addressed this _ to fraud on covid contracts. i have addressed this extensively - to fraud on covid contracts. i have addressed this extensively in - to fraud on covid contracts. i have addressed this extensively in the l addressed this extensively in the house and i will keep my answers short, absolutely no tolerance for people who have defrauded the system, it is wrong, especially at a time of crisis and they will be relentlessly pursued, as they already being and dozens of arrests, billions of pounds recovered, and specialist agencies set up to go

after people who have perpetrated this but i would not say the newest at —— estimates of fraud across some of the schemes during coronavirus are now... not only have they reduced by a third, they are now either in—line order weather and you would expect in a typical government programme and considering the speed and scale at which they were incremented, it is positive but there is work to do. do you regret ignoring the warnings? i do do you regret ignoring the warnings? i do not _ do you regret ignoring the warnings? i do not think that is the right characterisation and i can give you many quotes from many politicians from all parties about how we were not going fast enough in removing checks and bureaucracy from businesses... checks and bureaucracy from businesses. . .— checks and bureaucracy from businesses... ., . , businesses... you lost a minister in the lords when _ businesses... you lost a minister in the lords when you _ businesses... you lost a minister in the lords when you were _ businesses... you lost a minister in l the lords when you were chancellor, who was _ the lords when you were chancellor, who was very — the lords when you were chancellor, who was very clear— the lords when you were chancellor, who was very clear that _ the lords when you were chancellor, who was very clear that he _ the lords when you were chancellor, who was very clear that he did - the lords when you were chancellor, who was very clear that he did not i who was very clear that he did not feel who was very clear that he did not feet that _ who was very clear that he did not feet that this _ who was very clear that he did not feel that this was _ who was very clear that he did not feel that this was being _ who was very clear that he did not feel that this was being treated i feel that this was being treated seriously— feel that this was being treated seriously enough— feel that this was being treated seriously enough in _ feel that this was being treated seriously enough in the - feel that this was being treated| seriously enough in the clearing feel that this was being treated - seriously enough in the clearing up operation. — seriously enough in the clearing up operation. so— seriously enough in the clearing up operation, so what _ seriously enough in the clearing up operation, so what has _ seriously enough in the clearing up operation, so what has changed i seriously enough in the clearing up . operation, so what has changed since then? _ operation, so what has changed since then? x. , operation, so what has changed since then? a, , ., , operation, so what has changed since then? , ., , ,, operation, so what has changed since then? , ., , y., .,

then? many of the things you mention are already happening, _ then? many of the things you mention are already happening, whether- then? many of the things you mention are already happening, whether it - then? many of the things you mention are already happening, whether it is i are already happening, whether it is public fraud authorities or more resources into the crime—fighting agencies and the dashboard is something he was concerned about which was already being implemented which was already being implemented which is important for statistics across different lenders, for example, and recovery of bounce back loans, those type of things are being implemented.— loans, those type of things are being implemented. loans, those type of things are bein: imlemented. ., , ., , being implemented. could you give us time for a few— being implemented. could you give us time for a few more. _ being implemented. could you give us time for a few more. you _ being implemented. could you give us time for a few more. you mentioned l time for a few more. you mentioned the british baccalaureate _ time for a few more. you mentioned the british baccalaureate and - time for a few more. you mentioned the british baccalaureate and it - the british baccalaureate and it would — the british baccalaureate and it would have cause to be an english baccalaureate because education is fully devolved —— it would of course _ fully devolved —— it would of course. scottish students to a wider range _ course. scottish students to a wider range of— course. scottish students to a wider range of subjects.— course. scottish students to a wider range of subjects. range of sub'ects. yes, my focus was lookin: at range of subjects. yes, my focus was looking at maths. _ range of subjects. yes, my focus was looking at maths. but _ range of subjects. yes, my focus was looking at maths. but it _ range of subjects. yes, my focus was looking at maths. but it would - range of subjects. yes, my focus was looking at maths. but it would not i looking at maths. but it would not be a british _ looking at maths. but it would not be a british baccalaureate, - looking at maths. but it would not be a british baccalaureate, it - looking at maths. but it would not| be a british baccalaureate, it would be a british baccalaureate, it would be an— be a british baccalaureate, it would be an english one because education is fully— be an english one because education is fully devolved to the scottish parliament. | is fully devolved to the scottish parliament.— is fully devolved to the scottish parliament. . , , . ~ . parliament. i was 'ust talking about --eole parliament. i was 'ust talking about people studying — parliament. i wasjust talking about people studying more _ parliament. i wasjust talking about people studying more mathematicsj people studying more mathematics after the age of 16. but

people studying more mathematics after the age of 16.— after the age of 16. but do you acce -t after the age of 16. but do you accept my _ after the age of 16. but do you accept my point? _ after the age of 16. but do you accept my point? it's - after the age of 16. but do you accept my point? it's the - after the age of 16. but do you| accept my point? it's the same after the age of 16. but do you - accept my point? it's the same point that robin made. _ accept my point? it's the same point that robin made. no, _ accept my point? it's the same point that robin made. no, if— accept my point? it's the same point that robin made. no, if there - accept my point? it's the same point that robin made. no, if there was i accept my point? it's the same point that robin made. no, if there was a | that robin made. no, if there was a british baccalaureate _ that robin made. no, if there was a british baccalaureate it _ that robin made. no, if there was a british baccalaureate it would - that robin made. no, if there was a british baccalaureate it would not i british baccalaureate it would not be a british one, it would be an engiish — be a british one, it would be an english one because education is fully devolved. it is not a trick question _ fully devolved. it is not a trick question. it fully devolved. it is not a trick question-— fully devolved. it is not a trick cuestion. , . , . ., question. it is a statement of fact, the same point — question. it is a statement of fact, the same point robin _ question. it is a statement of fact, the same point robin made. - question. it is a statement of fact, the same point robin made. i'm . question. it is a statement of fact, i the same point robin made. i'm not disagreeing. it is a shorthand that people use in terms of a broader qualification and it is not meant to be a reflection on the devolution settlement, that is all it was. i was talking about maths. but the oint was talking about maths. but the point is- -- _ was talking about maths. but the point is--- i— was talking about maths. but the point is... i think— was talking about maths. but the point is... i think you _ was talking about maths. but the point is... i think you have - was talking about maths. but the point is... i think you have made| point is... i think you have made our point is... i think you have made your point- _ point is... i think you have made your point- the _ point is... i think you have made your point. the original- point is... i think you have made l your point. the original integration review, your point. the original integration review. has — your point. the original integration review, has made _ your point. the original integration review, has made clear _ your point. the original integration review, has made clear its - review, has made clear its intentions, and 80% of all semiconductor chips are produced and if there _ semiconductor chips are produced and if there was— semiconductor chips are produced and if there was an illegal invasion, it would _ if there was an illegal invasion, it would be — if there was an illegal invasion, it

would be crippling, so can you assure — would be crippling, so can you assure us _ would be crippling, so can you assure us that they will be explicit recommendations to tie one because otherwise _ recommendations to tie one because otherwise we are not learning the lesson _ otherwise we are not learning the lesson of— otherwise we are not learning the lesson of ukraine where vladimir putin— lesson of ukraine where vladimir putin said — lesson of ukraine where vladimir putin said he was not going to invade — putin said he was not going to invade although we did not believe it —— recommendations regarding taiwan _ it —— recommendations regarding taiwan can— it —— recommendations regarding taiwan. can we have an explicit commitment to uphold peace and security— commitment to uphold peace and security there? till commitment to uphold peace and security there?— commitment to uphold peace and security there?_ that i commitment to uphold peace and security there?_ that is | security there? all noted. that is not a yes? _ security there? all noted. that is not a yes? i _ security there? all noted. that is not a yes? i am _ security there? all noted. that is not a yes? i am not _ security there? all noted. that is not a yes? i am not going - security there? all noted. that is not a yes? i am not going to - security there? all noted. that is| not a yes? i am not going to write it all now but _ not a yes? i am not going to write it all now but everything - not a yes? i am not going to write it all now but everything you - not a yes? i am not going to write | it all now but everything you would expect i would go over us, we are going to. expect i would go over us, we are auoin to. ., . ., , expect i would go over us, we are atoin to. ., ., ., , .,, going to. you have not been as generous _ going to. you have not been as generous with _ going to. you have not been as generous with your _ going to. you have not been as generous with your time - going to. you have not been as generous with your time as - going to. you have not been as| generous with your time as your predecessors— generous with your time as your predecessors but— generous with your time as your predecessors but we _ generous with your time as your predecessors but we are - generous with your time as youri predecessors but we are grateful generous with your time as your- predecessors but we are grateful you have fitted _ predecessors but we are grateful you have fitted us — predecessors but we are grateful you have fitted us in— predecessors but we are grateful you have fitted us in before _ predecessors but we are grateful you have fitted us in before christmas. i have fitted us in before christmas. you have _ have fitted us in before christmas. you have also— have fitted us in before christmas. you have also answered _ have fitted us in before christmas. you have also answered the - have fitted us in before christmas. - you have also answered the questions very fully. _ you have also answered the questions very fully, whether— you have also answered the questions very fully, whether satisfactorily - very fully, whether satisfactorily or not _ very fully, whether satisfactorily or not is — very fully, whether satisfactorily or not is not _ very fully, whether satisfactorily or not is not a _ very fully, whether satisfactorily or not is not a matter— very fully, whether satisfactorily or not is not a matter for- very fully, whether satisfactorily or not is not a matter for me, i very fully, whether satisfactorily. or not is not a matter for me, but thank— or not is not a matter for me, but thank you — or not is not a matter for me, but thank you very _ or not is not a matter for me, but thank you very much. _ or not is not a matter for me, but thank you very much. i'm - or not is not a matter for me, but thank you very much. i'm sure . or not is not a matter for me, but| thank you very much. i'm sure the committee — thank you very much. i'm sure the committee would _ thank you very much. i'm sure the committee would like _ thank you very much. i'm sure the committee would like to _ thank you very much. i'm sure the committee would like to wish - thank you very much. i'm sure the committee would like to wish you | thank you very much. i'm sure the - committee would like to wish you and your family— committee would like to wish you and your family a — committee would like to wish you and your family a good _ committee would like to wish you and your family a good christmas - committee would like to wish you and your family a good christmas and - committee would like to wish you and your family a good christmas and i. your family a good christmas and i certainly— your family a good christmas and i certainly wish _ your family a good christmas and i certainly wish the _ your family a good christmas and i certainly wish the rest _

your family a good christmas and i certainly wish the rest of - your family a good christmas and i certainly wish the rest of my- certainly wish the rest of my committee _ certainly wish the rest of my committee a _ certainly wish the rest of my committee a good _ certainly wish the rest of my| committee a good christmas certainly wish the rest of my. committee a good christmas as certainly wish the rest of my- committee a good christmas as well. thank— committee a good christmas as well. thank you _ committee a good christmas as well. thank you and — committee a good christmas as well. thank you and merry _ committee a good christmas as well. thank you and merry christmas. - thank you and merry christmas. bernard jenkin mp ending that session. that was rishi sunak�*s first appearance in front of the liaison committee. it generally happens three times a year that the prime minister is quizzed by some of the most senior parliamentarians, the most senior parliamentarians, the chairs of the various select committees that happen within parliament. a little over 90 minutes, at some of them to go on longer than that, but parliament has broken up the christmas and that is the end of that session and it was scheduled to finish at 430 so that was broadly on—time. we are going to get the thoughts of our political correspondent in a moment. the subjects were very white, foreign, overseas matters, ukraine, obviously, and a nod to migration ——

were very wide. the subject was also strikes and this week the focus is on strikes within the nhs, nurses in many parts of the country, not everywhere, but in many parts of the country, and ambulance workers, that strike tomorrow. not much that emerged on the topic of strikes from what i heard. let's talk to our political correspondent lone wells. we wa nted we wanted to hear the thoughts of the prime minister on the issue of strikes. but from what i have written down, there was a lot of talk reminding people that the pay review body exists and that the government is following the rules on that, what are your thoughts on what he said? fin that, what are your thoughts on what he said? ., , . that, what are your thoughts on what he said? .,, . ., , ,, , . he said? on the topic of strikes at the exchange _ he said? on the topic of strikes at the exchange was _ he said? on the topic of strikes at the exchange was relatively - he said? on the topic of strikes at the exchange was relatively calm, given it is the domestic focus at the moment for the government and a lot of the public as well. one of the key things that stuck out was

how much he was standing by this line that we have heard time and time again, from government, that the way that nhs pay is set by the government is based on those independent pay reviews that he has no plans to change. and that he thinks that strikes the right balance between value for the taxpayer but also the need to retain and keep staff in the nhs. he did not sound like somebody willing to change his mind and back down to pressure from the unions on this issue and certainly, given that is the case, the position of the unions is not going to change any time soon. we know that at the moment they are continuing to go ahead with they are continuing to go ahead with the strikes, planning to potentially even initiate further strikes in the new year, if the government does not change its stance on negotiating with them on pay. find change its stance on negotiating with them on pay.— change its stance on negotiating with them on pay. and while rishi sunak was talking _ with them on pay. and while rishi sunak was talking to _ with them on pay. and while rishi sunak was talking to committee i sunak was talking to committee leaders there, we know there was a

conversation going on between the health secretary and some of the health unions, especially in relation to the ambulance based strike tomorrow. in the last few moments the head of unison has said that unions will be left with no option but to consider further strike action if the government continues to refuse to budge on the issue of pay. that was the first comment we have had from unison about the end of those conversations this afternoon with the health secretary, so that tells us where the two sides are on this, i think. it doesn't look from the early signs, and these meetings have only just concluded, like there has been much progress at all on this area. the health secretary stephen barclay has put out a statement in response to the meetings he has had, and the government view is that they are disappointed that the unions are not changing their mind about going ahead with striking but as i said

before, unions also not very happy with the government, that they still won't come to the table and talk to them about pay. the government's line has been that they had been willing to negotiate about other things like making the nhs a better place to work and looking at things like conditions but the unions have been pretty resolute about this, and that unless ministers are willing to talk to them about pay, and about compensation for nurses, but also for other workers within the nhs, like ambulance services, then they are not going to change their stance. at the moment there is dirt lot really in the talks we are seeing between the unions and ministers. —— at the moment there is deadlock really. in ministers. -- at the moment there is deadlock really.— deadlock really. in terms of the liaison committee, _ deadlock really. in terms of the liaison committee, what - deadlock really. in terms of the liaison committee, what else i deadlock really. in terms of the - liaison committee, what else stood out for you? there was a section about migration and obviously ukraine as we would have expected but anything that stood out view in particular? it but anything that stood out view in articular? . . .

but anything that stood out view in articular? . , . ., , but anything that stood out view in articular? . , . . , .., particular? it was a relatively calm liaison committee _ particular? it was a relatively calm liaison committee compared - particular? it was a relatively calm liaison committee compared to - particular? it was a relatively calm i liaison committee compared to some of the ones we saw under boris johnson where the exchanges often got very heated about boris johnson's own conduct, but this one, rishi sunak approached it with a sense of wanting to mitigate against any potential controversy so he was engaging with questions but trying to, i suppose, engaging with questions but trying to, isuppose, keep engaging with questions but trying to, i suppose, keep them engaging with questions but trying to, isuppose, keep them relatively calm compared to what they could be. the most striking points were probably around migration and this was a sign of the questions that are coming down the road for the prime minister next year, he faced a number of questions about his new asylum plan and things like whether the plan to send some asylum seekers to rwanda will prove value for money and he also faced questions on whether the government can guarantee that they will meet their pledge to clear the initial backlog of asylum claims by the end of next year. these are questions which nobody

really has the answer to, bluntly, until some of the new asylum plans are put into motion next year but they are a sign of some of the pressure points that rishi sunak might face into the new year. interestingly, he was not really drawn on whether or not the uk would have to leave the european convention on human rights to implement some of the asylum plans. he wants to introduce new plans to essentially return anybody who arrives to the uk unless it is there an official asylum route to either the country they came from or another country like rwanda. and there are some within the conservatives who feel that for this to happen in the uk would have to leave the european convention on human rights so he was refusing to be drawn on this particular point but relatively speaking, this was a

calm exchange between him and the mps, but what was more interesting with some of the things he did not say, like not ruling out whether or not motorists will face a hike in fuel duty and much, so some things he did not say which will pique the interest —— a hike in fuel duty in march. but a relatively calm exchange compared to some of those we saw between borisjohnson and the select committees. for we saw between boris johnson and the select committees.— select committees. for now, thanks for 'oinin: select committees. for now, thanks forjoining us- _ select committees. for now, thanks forjoining us. i'm _ select committees. for now, thanks forjoining us. i'm sure _ select committees. for now, thanks forjoining us. i'm sure there - select committees. for now, thanks forjoining us. i'm sure there will. forjoining us. i'm sure there will be more to come on the strikes. we are going to now focus on the continuing anger overjeremy clarkson's article in the sun a few days ago.

in which he said he "hated" the duchess of sussex, and it has become the independent press standards organisation's most complained—about article. the piece, which was removed from the sun's website on monday at clarkson's request, had received more than 17,500 complaints as of 9am today. today, the chair of parliament's women and equalities select committee, the conservative mp caroline nokes, wrote to the editor of the sun, victoria newton, to condeaneremy clarkson's piece and demand that action be taken against him. i spoke to caroline nokes earlier and began by asking her what she wants to see done. well, we, and i wrote with a group

of cross—party mps from all parties represented in parliament, to the editor of the sun, remonstrating with her about the language used byjeremy clarkson, that it had gone through processes, editorial processes, that still saw it published, when it was clearly extremely misogynistic. the comments he made that advocated meghan markle be paraded through every town and land naked was just horrific, positively medieval, and i would have thought the sun could have done better than that. i referenced the statement that he released yesterday where he said he had rather put his his foot in it. he was making a clumsy reference to a scene in game of thrones, he said. what, in practical terms, would you like to see done? he wrote this article but there were people at the top

of that newspaper who also took the decision to publish it. they could have said "no, we are not printing it," but they printed it anyway, so where does the blame lie for you? first and foremost it lies withjeremy clarkson — he should never have used that language and he should have been sufficiently courteous to realise he needed to apologise properly and not some mealy—mouthed half baked "i understand i have caused hurt." he has been offensive and he needs to apologise so that would be an excellent first step. the editorial team at the sun should issue a formal apology to the duchess of sussex and i'm pleased that the article has been taken down. that is a good step. but we need to know what measures the sun is going to put in place to stop this from happening again. that is the critical thing. why should a national newspaper think it ok to publish misogynistic comments? it shouldn't.

it needs to reassure people that we will not see a repeat of that. have you had a reply from the sun to your letter? no, not yet, but it only went this morning and i would not expect to have had a reply by now. i hope they do reply and that they have the courtesy to issue a response and also to think carefully about what action they can take and what better processes they can put in place in their editorial systems to make sure this doesn't happen. that's the thing we want to see. yes, we want an apology from jeremy clarkson but we want the sun newspaper to recognise that it has published something which is just offensive. caroline nokes, the chair of the parliamentary women and equalities committee. i'm joined now by the nathan sparkes, chief executive of hacked off — the campaign group for greater press regulation. with the thing you campaigned for, could that have prevented the

article have been printed —— from being printed? article have been printed -- from being printed?— article have been printed -- from being printed? absolutely. instead of bein: a being printed? absolutely. instead of being a member _ being printed? absolutely. instead of being a member of _ being printed? absolutely. instead of being a member of its _ being printed? absolutely. instead of being a member of its own - being printed? absolutely. instead| of being a member of its own which the newspaper is, the sun, their parent company's legal director, the ipsos standards code is written by a group of newspaper editors who have packedit group of newspaper editors who have packed it with loopholes, the whole body, the power in its cars is outsourced to the newspaper industry itself and that is how we have got the situation where a national newspaper can openly call for a woman to be attacked in the street in this way —— the power in its cars. in this way -- the power in its cars. . in this way -- the power in its cal’s. , , , ., , in this way -- the power in its cars. , , , ., , , in this way -- the power in its cars. , , . cars. its ipsos, they say they have had a record _ cars. its ipsos, they say they have had a record number— cars. its ipsos, they say they have had a record number complaints, | cars. its ipsos, they say they have i had a record number complaints, but we don't know what they are going to do anything about it? irate we don't know what they are going to do anything about it?— do anything about it? we don't think the will do do anything about it? we don't think they will do anything _ do anything about it? we don't think they will do anything because - do anything about it? we don't think they will do anything because they i they will do anything because they rely on the standards code is

written by newspaper editors and some of the loopholes they have put in protect them on issues like this so in the eight years of existence ipsos has never upheld a single complaint of sexism in the press or racism in the press, it has never launched a standards investigation and it is not fit for purpose and it is not fit for purpose by design. because of the way the newspaper industry decided and set it up. it will be very difficult to even find a point of the standards go to even hang a complaint on because its problems run so deep. xyour hang a complaint on because its problems run so deep. your point is that in this — problems run so deep. your point is that in this particular— problems run so deep. your point is that in this particular instance, - that in this particular instance, this is one man's column, so is the point that this wasn't a regular news story and journalists could argue if they wanted that this is personal opinion? that argue if they wanted that this is personal opinion?— personal opinion? that is one loohole personal opinion? that is one loophole that _ personal opinion? that is one loophole that the _ personal opinion? that is one loophole that the sun - personal opinion? that is one loophole that the sun mightl personal opinion? that is one - loophole that the sun might seek to exploit and the other is you can't make a complaint about group discrimination under their discrimination under their

discrimination clause because this is part of the reason why they have never upheld a complaint racism or sexism because the way the discrimination clause is framed and other clauses as well, but certainly the discrimination clause, it is so difficult to ever actually bring a complaint that stands any chance of success and even if a complaint was successful, the maximum ready that ipsos awards is a mealy—mouthed correction of six months after the event, deep inside the newspaper. the leveson inquiry system had equal prominence of apologies and corrections when newspapers make egregious mistakes and we are talking about standards of investigations that could lead to change and newspapers of the kind that we are talking about and we are also talking about fines to deter newspapers from this in the most serious cases.— newspapers from this in the most serious cases. how would you reach the oint serious cases. how would you reach the point that _ serious cases. how would you reach the point that the _ serious cases. how would you reach the point that the system _ serious cases. how would you reach the point that the system of - the point that the system of registration that you are describing, because people what you might think, why don't we have this already? it

might think, why don't we have this alread ? . . . might think, why don't we have this alread ? , , . ., might think, why don't we have this alread ? , , . . , already? it exists, and all parties su orted already? it exists, and all parties sopported it _ already? it exists, and all parties supported it and _ already? it exists, and all parties supported it and it _ already? it exists, and all parties supported it and it was _ already? it exists, and all parties supported it and it was voted - already? it exists, and all parties| supported it and it was voted into operation about ten years ago and it is an independent regulator but the key legislative mechanism that gets national newspapers to join an independent regulator, all parties voted to support it but the conservative government and successive governments have gone back on that are not brought that into effect. although the newspaper is to blame, the government is at fault for not introducing that critical piece of legislation that makes the leveson inquiry system compulsory, if they had done that, the newspaper would be regulated and this would not have been happening. they have been so many thousands of people have complained, taken the time to complain, so could this be a turning point and a fresh debate about this? this particular column? going back we can look at the

timing, which a columnist in the sun used a quote about the muslim people which did not lead to change, the deputy leader of the opposition was also treated with misogynistic abuse in the press on with thousands of complaints again, but nothing changed. what needs to happen is that legislators need to get their act together and take this issue seriously and introduce that small piece of legislation which makes the leveson inquiry system compulsory and then that will put an end to this. . . , . and then that will put an end to this. . . . ., this. nathan sparks, thanks for 'oinin: this. nathan sparks, thanks for joining us- _ this. nathan sparks, thanks for joining us. caroline _ this. nathan sparks, thanks for joining us. caroline nokes, - joining us. caroline nokes, conservative mp, has written to the editor of the sun and she has not yet had a reply when we spoke to her, but we wait to see what emerges from that and what the newspaper itself says to her letter which was a cross—party letter, we should make that point. it was a cross—party letter sent to the editor of the

sun. hundreds of thousands of people are out in the streets of buenos aires to welcome home the world cup winners. these are the scenes live. the team arrived back in argentina in the middle of the night and lionel messi posted these photos on instgram of him sleeping alongside the world cup trophy. their thrilling victory over france on sunday has widely been described as the best world cup final of all time. i'm joined now by marcela, an argentine football journalist who has interviewed the likes

of lionel messi and diego maradonna. lam i am told you have interviewed lionel messi.— i am told you have interviewed lionel messi. many years ago i interviewed — lionel messi. many years ago i interviewed him _ lionel messi. many years ago i interviewed him in _ lionel messi. many years ago i interviewed him in a _ lionel messi. many years ago i interviewed him in a long - lionel messi. many years ago i interviewed him in a long one. lionel messi. many years ago i l interviewed him in a long one to lionel messi. many years ago i - interviewed him in a long one to one article about his childhood for a unicef book. i referenced that recently because of something he said sent me to explain a lot about his character which oozes hatred of losing at any game —— which is his hatred. it could be a game of cards or obviously football! i hatred. it could be a game of cards or obviously football!— or obviously football! i feel bad because you — or obviously football! i feel bad because you are _ or obviously football! i feel bad because you are probably - or obviously football! i feel bad because you are probably in - or obviously football! i feel bad | because you are probably in your flat, but you would rather be out on the streets celebrating along with everybody else?— the streets celebrating along with everybody else? well, there is too much noise — everybody else? well, there is too much noise elsewhere _ everybody else? well, there is too much noise elsewhere everywhere | everybody else? well, there is too i much noise elsewhere everywhere in this country. we have been discussing how best to approach the

crowds to see where the bus might pass, but i'm not that fast. you get a better view on the tv. it looks a bit chaotic and disorganised and i don't think the bus even knows where it is going. time to analyse exactly why this city or the country could not foresee what winning a world cup might actually look like on the streets. but we did go out to celebrate on sunday. such an amazing climate ofjoy. very difficult to describe why everyone is feeling so happy and i keep being asked that, why does it mean so much, but it feels like a wonderful important achievement. fora feels like a wonderful important achievement. for a lot of argentinians it has to do with a sense of recognition, especially messi and this group of players, so close for such a long time. finally they got what they would you. the

people in the country, which is in such a difficult social and economic turmoil, it feels like a breather. i read a lovely phrase, for a few minutes at least it feels like life is as it should be for everybody, not just those who is as it should be for everybody, notjust those who can afford it. so notjust those who can afford it. 50 life as it should be, this explosion ofjoy and love. it is life as it should be, this explosion of joy and love-— of joy and love. it is a lovely thought- — of joy and love. it is a lovely thought. that _ of joy and love. it is a lovely thought. that is _ of joy and love. it is a lovely thought. that is the - of joy and love. it is a lovely thought. that is the thing i of joy and love. it is a lovely - thought. that is the thing about sport, it cuts across everybody. it does not matter your age and gender or income, everybody can celebrate in their own way. that is the great joy- in their own way. that is the great joy. what happens from here on in? when countries have great sporting achievements, we talk about the trickle down and whether it inspires the next generation of boys and girls in sport. maybe football

doesn't need to be encouraged that much in argentina.— doesn't need to be encouraged that much in argentina.- but - doesn't need to be encouraged that i much in argentina.- but what much in argentina. exactly. but what are our much in argentina. exactly. but what are your thoughts _ much in argentina. exactly. but what are your thoughts about _ much in argentina. exactly. but what are your thoughts about what - much in argentina. exactly. but what are your thoughts about what this - are your thoughts about what this says about the future? irate are your thoughts about what this says about the future?— are your thoughts about what this says about the future? we don't need to encourage — says about the future? we don't need to encourage future _ says about the future? we don't need to encourage future generations - says about the future? we don't need to encourage future generations of. to encourage future generations of little boys to kick a ball, but it would be great if some of the effect of this had led to some formalising and restructuring of the football association and the institutions that govern the sport so we sought some trickle down towards grassroots and the women's game —— so we saw. the women's game is not that developed in argentina and it is a shame that with the boom in the women's game that argentina does not have the infrastructure to develop its women's game on a par internationally. a lot about the success of the men's first team relates to the sense that argentina is a real player on the world stage.

a winner of the 1978 world cup are said to me, in football you can look at the first world in the eye and be treated as equals, and this balance, the sense that argentina would like to be acknowledged as an equal by a lot of the world should hopefully translate to all aspects of football and notjust the men's game. but to date this is about messi and company. —— but today. so messi clutching the ball like a baby and this lovely group of men who are with him and who helped him do it and who were part of the team and the system that he needed to be able to do it. ., , ., . ,, ., i. the system that he needed to be able todoit. ., ,~. . ,, ., �* to do it. lovely to talk to you. i'm auoin to to do it. lovely to talk to you. i'm going to let _ to do it. lovely to talk to you. i'm going to let you — to do it. lovely to talk to you. i'm going to let you explain _ to do it. lovely to talk to you. i'm going to let you explain how- to do it. lovely to talk to you. i'm going to let you explain how i - going to let you explain how i should explain

thank you very much for that. wonderful to see those pictures from argentina. let's have a look now at the weather forecast. hello again. for many of you this afternoon there'll be lots of sunshine around. that said, we are looking at a few showers across the north west. a showers across the north west. few shower clouds you a few shower clouds on the horizon. you can see speckled shower clouds close to the north—west of scotland and a cloud to the atlantic look set to bring zones of rain over the uk over the next few days but it is a showery pitcher and most of the showers will be over the north and west of scotland and one or two getting into northern ireland and a few for the north west of england and wales as well. the central and eastern england, more than likely going to stay dry with lots of sunshine around. temperatures

ranging from eight in aberdeen and belfast, down to around 14 in london, so mild weather. overnight we have rain moving eastwards, and further north and west showers will continue on and off through the night. it is a frost free night for most. temperatures between 2—6. tomorrow, rain clears quite quickly, sunshine follows, but further north and west, close to the area of low pressure that is away from the north—west of scotland, it will continue to feed in the fairly blustery showers. some of them could be heavy with a bit of hail and just one or two of them. we have a zone of rain moving east on thursday and the chance of the rain being more developed and if that happens, the rain could reach a lot further northwards, bringing many a zone of wet weather just for a time. there could be a bit of uncertainty for thursday. beyond that, the area of low pressure we have at the moment

in the north—west is effectively blocking cold air moving southwards and as likely as a way, as we run closer to christmas, we have this battle zone over the uk with cold air to the north and the mild air to the south. there is the risk around christmas that we could start to see some snowfall and maybe disruptive, but most likely to affect the hills of northern scotland, so it might be worth staying in tune with the weather forecast as we get closer to the christmas period. further south, temperature is will be dropping, but the risk of anything disruptive looks a lot lower and many of the showers will be falling as rain.

this is bbc news, i'm clive myrie. the headlines at 5pm... thousands of nurses in england, wales, and nothern ireland are taking part in their second 12 hour strike in less than a week — and call on the prime minister to sit down for talks. he can bring their strike to a conclusion before the end of this week. he owes that to this profession. he owes it to every member of the public in the country, so let's do it right now. we are keen to talk, we are engaging with the trade unions. if we get it wrong and we are still dealing _ if we get it wrong and we are still dealing with high inflation in a year's — dealing with high inflation in a year's time, i don't want to see that. _ year's time, i don't want to see that. want— year's time, i don't want to see that, want things to get back to normai~ — that, want things to get back to normal. that's why having an independent pay process is an important part of those decisions and that's— important part of those decisions and that's why we've accepted those recommendations in full.