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time to time go up and meet them for behind—the—scenes discussions, including with both houses. behind the scenes, they're really tough and they should be there representing the american people. after what is accountable.— is accountable. how much work to think of _ is accountable. how much work to think of gone _ is accountable. how much work to think of gone into _ is accountable. how much work to think of gone into this - to think of gone into this visit was make us all under wraps until yesterday when speaker pelosi talked about an important meeting about democracy. everything from the tire pressure to zelensky�*s limo... excruciatingly detailed back—and—forth among hundreds of people. these things are not easy to put together. find of people. these things are not easy to put together.— easy to put together. and the white house _ easy to put together. and the white house were _ easy to put together. and the white house were worried - easy to put together. and the i white house were worried about the visit leaking for obvious reasons. what have you made of the russian response to it so far? ., _, , . ., far? putin of course decided to hold his own _ far? putin of course decided to hold his own nonevent, - far? putin of course decided to. hold his own nonevent, meeting with some russian military personnel, saying they would have all their money they needed. he's got an economy that's 5% of that of the united
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states and europe combined, and so he only has so much money to throw. , ., , �* so he only has so much money to throw. , ., �* , throw. this wasn't exactly president _ throw. this wasn't exactly president putin's - throw. this wasn't exactly president putin's plan - throw. this wasn't exactly| president putin's plan that president putin's plan that president zelensky would come here to aggress the us congress. —— two addresses. it's amazing how many leaders misjudged how difficult going to war would be. putin is the latest in a long chain of leaders, notjust in russia. you see the us attorney general just behind him is pete buttigieg. these are all members of president biden�*s cabinet. it's staggering that if the 45 billion that the us is wanting to give to ukraine, if that gets through congress by the end of this week, that will be $100 billion in aid to ukraine since the war began.
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that sounds like a huge number. it's a huge number, but it is... i'm doing my maths here. roughly one 50th less of our gross national product, and therefore, its actually smaller than that. it's nothing like what we spent in world war ii or korea, nothing like what we sent in vietnam. it's money well spent. we sent in vietnam. it's money well spent-— we sent in vietnam. it's money well spent. this is an argument that president _ well spent. this is an argument that president zelensky - well spent. this is an argument that president zelensky will. well spent. this is an argument that president zelensky will no | that president zelensky will no doubt to be trying to make there. you can see some of the people who are gathering in the gallery. back to the speaker of the house and the vice president. two of the most powerful women in washington welcome to welcome president zelensky and his wife, the first lady of ukraine. somebody else who has played quite a roll in lobbying long lakers, the first lady? ==
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roll in lobbying long lakers, the first lady? -- lawmakers. absolutely- — the first lady? -- lawmakers. absolutely. she's _ the first lady? -- lawmakers. absolutely. she's also - the first lady? -- lawmakers. absolutely. she's also carried | absolutely. she's also carried forth the theme of is —— that children are at the centre. it's the children who are suffering, for whom ukrainian soldiers are fighting, and she's a wonderful presentation about. �* , ., , about. it's an interesting oint. about. it's an interesting point. some _ about. it's an interesting point. some republicanl point. some republican lawmakers are saying of course we should be concerned about the war in ukraine, but what about the southern border? what about the southern border? what about looking after our own children?— about looking after our own children? . �*, ., children? that's a good point, and that's _ children? that's a good point, and that's why _ children? that's a good point, and that's why we _ children? that's a good point, and that's why we have - children? that's a good point, and that's why we have a - and that's why we have a congress to decide in detail how much goes to this cause, how much goes to this cause, how much goes to this cause, how much goes to that cause. but that doesn't mean that you can't do as we say, walk and chew gum at the same time. this is vital, and i think everybody in congress, even some who are making noises against it to appeal to their voters back home, know that. if they don't, they will get an ear full tonight. they will get an ear full tonight-—
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they will get an ear full toniaht. �* m ., tonight. and the fact that the 've tonight. and the fact that they've had _ tonight. and the fact that they've had this - tonight. and the fact that - they've had this announcement tonight, very choreographed today, that the patriot battery is going to be given to the ukrainians, you're making the point that that's sending a single to russia.— point that that's sending a single to russia. exec will. one will — single to russia. exec will. one will not _ single to russia. exec will. one will not make - single to russia. exec will. one will not make a - single to russia. exec will. one will not make a major| one will not make a major difference —— exactly. and the devastating campaign that russia has launched through air strikes against ukrainian infrastructure. it will help on the margins. the point is we can get more if we have to. we can counter whatever putin is doing militarily. that's the message, but also by dealing it out in small doses, we're also saying we're not trying to escalate. there is a way out if you grasp it, mr putin. so far, he hasn't, but i'm sure he's hearing the message is. what is the way out? — hearing the message is. what is the way out? the _ hearing the message is. what is the way out? the way _ hearing the message is. what is the way out? the way out - hearing the message is. what is the way out? the way out is - the way out? the way out is first a cease-fire, _
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the way out? the way out is first a cease-fire, secondly, first a cease—fire, secondly, international negotiations to get ukraine's territory back to ukraine, and thirdly, a larger security system that will ensure that ukraine is never invaded again by russia. that requires either a russia that transforms itself like germany and japan did after world war ii or will require international presence of forces to put the community behind them. that's the way down the road. that raises a lot of big questions.- down the road. that raises a lot of big questions. what do you think _ lot of big questions. what do you think was _ lot of big questions. what do you think was going - lot of big questions. what do you think was going on - lot of big questions. what do | you think was going on behind the scenes in the white house when president zelensky was meeting president biden? what the dynamic there? the meeting president biden? what the dynamic there?— the dynamic there? the fact that zelensky _ the dynamic there? the fact that zelensky took - the dynamic there? the fact that zelensky took the - the dynamic there? the fact that zelensky took the lead | the dynamic there? the fact i that zelensky took the lead in talking about a global peace summit was a signal that he knows this long—term discussion has to take place. they probably touched on that. more so however behind the scenes, they were talking about how fast we can give more weapons and more lethal weapons,
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particularly long—range missiles. that's a back—and—forth because the administration wants to calibrate its support to ensure he wins on the battlefield while also signalling to russia that we're not doing all he could do, isn't there a way out? �* u, , out? and we can see there, nancy pelosi _ out? and we can see there, nancy pelosi and _ out? and we can see there, nancy pelosi and us - nancy pelosi and us vice president kamala harris both looking expectant, awaiting their guest of honour, president zelensky. quite a moment for the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. these are the last days of her speakership. she won't be speakership. she won't be speaker when the house resumes in january. speaker when the house resumes injanuary. let's see what's happening. president zaleski. cheering there he is. a guest of honour.
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there he is. a guest of honour. there he is. walking through the crowd. that's congressman rosa to lauren. there he is. in his battle fatigue. the leader of ukraine, whose come from the front line, where he was yesterday, and here he is on the floor of the united states house of representatives. he did address this gathering in march, but it was remote. he couldn't be there in person. there he is talking to vice president kamala harris. all of the symbolism. the might of the united states is behind him as he takes his place at the podium. 300 days ago, invaded by russia. since then, the world has been turned upside down. russia has been sent in ——
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sanctioned. the west has moved to support ukraine. what a moment for president zelensky. comedian turned president of his country, turned wartime leader. and here he is. dressed in battle fatigues, speaking to the united states lawmakers, taken in that moment. there we have ukrainian flag in the chamber. first of many, i would think. i imagine that the speech would probably be punctuated with ukrainian flags with applause, and you can see chuck schumer, the democratic leader in the senate. and the applause just won't stop. president zelensky saying thank you, but where does he choose his moment? are they going to give him the moment to actually start. ~ , , he give him the moment to actually start._ he travelled . start. members! he travelled across the — start. members! he travelled across the atlantic _ start. members! he travelled across the atlantic ocean - start. members! he travelled across the atlantic ocean to l
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start. members! he travelled i across the atlantic ocean to be here. ~ , , ., across the atlantic ocean to be here. ~ , ,., ., ,, here. members of congress! areas briefly. _ here. members of congress! areas briefly. i— here. members of congress! areas briefly. i have - here. members of congress! areas briefly. i have the - areas briefly. i have the distinct _ areas briefly. i have the distinct honour - areas briefly. i have the distinct honour of - areas briefly. i have the - distinct honour of presenting to you — distinct honour of presenting to you his excellency, volodymyr zelensky, president of ukraine. volodymyr zelensky, president of ukraine-— of ukraine. cheering thank you _ of ukraine. cheering thank you so - of ukraine. cheering thank you so much. l and another standing ovation even before president zelensky against. even before president zelensky aaainst. ., ~ ,, even before president zelensky aaainst. ., ~ �*, even before president zelensky aaainst. ., �*, against. thank you. it's too much for — against. thank you. it's too much for me. _ against. thank you. it's too much for me. all— against. thank you. it's too much for me. all this - against. thank you. it's too much for me. all this for i against. thank you. it's too l much for me. all this for our great people. thank you so
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much. dearamericans, in all communities and states, all those who have valued freedom and justice, who cherish as strongly as we ukrainians, our cities in each and every family, i hope my were the respect and gratitude resonate in each american heart. —— words of respect. madam vice president? i thank you for your efforts in helping ukraine. madam speaker, you bravely visited ukraine during the full—fledged war. thank you very much. great honour. applause
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g ratefully gratefully ridge to be here. we are members of the congress —— great privilege. representatives of both parties who visited geos, esteemed congressmen and senators from both parties who will visit ukraine, i'm sure in the future. these are representatives of the aastra. applause —— diaspora. applause present in this chamber and across the country, journalist. it's a great honour for me to
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be at the us congress and speak to you and all americans. against all odds and doom and gloom, areas of ukraine did unfold. ukraine is alive and kickinu. , kicking. cheering applause - applause thank you. and it gives me good reason to share with you our firstjoint victory. we defeated russia in the battle for... we have no fear, norshould the battle for... we have no fear, nor should anyone in the
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world have it. ukrainians gained this victory and it gives us courage. which inspires the entire world. americans, gained this victory, and that's why you have succeeded in united the global community to protect freedom and international law. europeans gained this victory, and that's why europe is now stronger and more independent than ever. the russian tyranny has lost control over us. applause and it will never influence our
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minds again. yet we have to do whatever it takes to ensure that countries of the global south also gain such victory. i know one more, i think, very important thing — the russians will stand a chance to be free only when they defeat the kremlin in their minds. applause yet the battle continues, and we have to defeat the kremlin on the battlefield, yes. this battle is not only for the territory for this and other parts of europe, this battle is not only for life, freedom and security of ukrainians or any other nation which russia attempts to conquer. this struggle will define in what world our children and
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grandchildren will live, and then their children and grandchildren. it will defined whether it will be a democracy of ukrainians and for americans. forall. this of ukrainians and for americans. for all. this battle cannot be frozen or postponed. it cannot be ignored, hoping that the ocean or something else will provide a protection. from the united states to china, from europe to latin america, and from africa to australia, the world is too interconnected and interdependent to allow someone to stay aside, and to feel safe when such a battle continues. 0ur when such a battle continues. our two nations, our lives in this battle, and next year, will be a turning point, i know it, the point when ukrainian
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courage and american resolve must guarantee the future of our common freedom, the freedom of people who stand for their well use.. of people who stand for their well use- -_ well use.. applause ladies _ well use.. applause ladies and _ well use.. applause | ladies and gentlemen, well use.. applause - ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, americans, yesterday, before coming here, to washington, dc, i was on the front line. in our stronghold in the east of ukraine in the donbas. the russian military and missionaries have been taking it nonstop since may. they have been taking it day and night, but it stands.
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applause last year, 70,000 people left there in the city, and now only few... every inch of that land is soaked in blood, roaring guns, sounding every hour, trenches in the donbas changing several times a day in fierce combat, and even hand fighting, but the ukrainian donbas stands. �* �* ,, applause russians use everything, everything they have against our beautiful cities. they have
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an advantage in artillery and ammunition, they have much more missiles and planes than we ever had. it's true, but our defence forces stand. and we all are proud of them. the russians' tactic is primitive. they burn down and destroy everything they see. they sent thugs to the front lines. they sent conflicts to the war. —— convicts. they sent everything against us, in the
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battle of the bold, similarly. just like the brave american soldiers which tell their lines and fought back hitler's forces during the christmas of191lll. brave ukrainian soldiers are doing the same to putin's forces this christmas. applause ukraine holds _ forces this christmas. applause ukraine holds its _ forces this christmas. applause ukraine holds its lines _ forces this christmas. applause ukraine holds its lines and - ukraine holds its lines and will never surrender. applause so, here in the front line, the
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tyranny which has no lack of cruelty against the lies of free people, and in your support, its crucial notjust to stand in such fight, but to get to the turning point to win on the battlefield. we have artillery, yes. thank you. we have it. is it enough? honestly, not really. laughter to ensure _ honestly, not really. laughter to ensure this _ honestly, not really. laughter to ensure this is _ honestly, not really. laughter to ensure this is not _ honestly, not really. laughter to ensure this is notjust - honestly, not really. laughter to ensure this is notjust a - to ensure this is notjust a stronghold, but for the russian army to completely pull out more cannons and shells are needed. if soon, just like the battle of saratoga, the fight will change the trajectory of our war. will change the trajectory of ourwar. if will change the trajectory of our war. if your patriots stop
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the russian terrors against our cities, it will let ukrainian work to the full to defend our freedom. work to the full to defend our freedom-— freedom. applause when russia - freedom. applause when russia cannot| freedom. applause - when russia cannot reach our cities, it tries to destroy them. with missile attacks, russia and found allies in this genocidal policy. deadly drones sent to russia, and became a threat to our critical infrastructure. that is how one terrorist has found the other. it is just a matter of time when they will strike against your other allies if we do not stop them now. we must do it.
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cheering applause i believe there should be no taboos between us and our alliance, ukraine never asked the american soldiers to fight on our land instead of us. i assure you that ukrainian soldiers can perfectly operate american tanks and planes themselves.— themselves. laughter applause _ financial insistence is also greatly important, and i would like to thank you very much,
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thank you for both packages you have already provided us with and the ones you may be willing to decide on. your money is not charity. it's an investment in the global security and democracy that we handle in the most responsible way. russia could stop its aggression, really, if it wanted to, but you can speed up our victory. wanted to, but you can speed up ourvictory. i wanted to, but you can speed up our victory. i know it. and it will prove to any potential aggressor that no one can succeed in breaking national borders. no one committing
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atrocities and raining over people against their will. it would be naive to wait for steps towards peace from russia. it enjoys being a terrorist state. russians are still poisoned. there is... we need peace, yes. ukraine has already offered proposals which i discuss with president biden art ten points must be implemented for ourjoint security guaranteed for the case ahead, and the summit which can be held. i'm glad to share that president biden supported our initiative today. each of you ladies and gentlemen can't assist in the implementation to ensure that america's leadership remains a
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solid, bicameraland solid, bicameral and bipartisan. thank solid, bicameraland bipartisan. thank you. applause you can strengthen sanctions to make russia feel how ruinous its aggression truly is. it is in your power, really, to help us bring to justice everyone who started this unprovoked and criminal war. who started this unprovoked and criminalwar. let's who started this unprovoked and criminal war. let's do it. let terrorist... criminalwar. let's do it. let terrorist. . ._ let the terrorists be held responsible for its aggression and comp all losses done by
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this war. let the world see that the united states are here. ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, americans, in two days, we will celebrate christmas. maybe candlelit. not because it's more romantic, no. but because there will not be electricity. millions won't have neither heating nor running water. all of this will be the result of russian missile and drone attacks on our energy infrastructure. but we do not complain. we do notjudge and compare whose life is easier. your well—being is a product of your national security. the
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result of your struggle for independence and your many victories. we ukrainians will also go through our war of independence and freedom with dignity and success.— applause we'll celebrate christmas, and even, if there is no electricity, delight for our faith, and ourselves will not be put out —— the lights. if russian missiles attack us, we'll do our best to protect ourselves. if they attack us
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with iranian drones and our people will have to go to bomb shelters on christmas eve, ukrainians will still sit down at the holiday table and cheer up at the holiday table and cheer up each other. and we don't have to know everyone's wish, as we know that all of us, millions of ukrainians, which the same — victory. 0nly victory. the same - victory. only victory-— applause we already built strong ukraine with strong people, strong army, strong institutions together with you. we develop strong security guarantees for our country and for entire europe and the world together with you, and also with you, we'll put in place everyone who will defy freedom. putin. this
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will defy freedom. putin. this will be the basis to protect democracy in europe and the world over. now, iwant democracy in europe and the world over. now, i want to thank you, all of you. i thank every american family which cherishes the warmth of its home and which is the same warmth to other people. i thank president biden and both parties at the senate and the house for years invaluable assistance. i thank your cities and your citizens who supported ukraine this year, who hosted our ukrainians, our people, who waved our national flags, our ukrainians, our people, who waved our nationalflags, who acted to help us. thank you all. from everyone who is now
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at the front line, from everyone who is evading victory. standing here today, i recall the wars of the president franklin. which i think is so good for this moment. the american people will win to absolute victory. the ukrainian people will win, too. absolutely.— applause. i know that everything depends on us, on ukrainian armed
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