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this is bbc news. the headlines: unions meet the government in talks aiming to avert more strikes. one health union spoke of "hope" their dispute could be resolved — others were less positive. the government says the meetings with health unions have been useful and constructive. prince harry accuses some in the royal family of being "complicit" in the suffering of his wife, meghan — as more tv interviews are broadcast in the us. there's widespread condemnation of the storming of brazil's congress, by supporters of former president, jair bolsonaro. thousands of nhs patients in england will be moved into care homes — in plans to ease pressure on hospitals.
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and coming up — getting ready for blast—off — preparations are underway in cornwall for a rocket launch that could mark a breakthrough in the uk's space race. good afternoon. unions say they have made little progress with the government in talks aimed at bringing an end to long—running strike action in the nhs to an end. ministers are holding meetings with health, teaching and rail unions to try to resolve the walk—outs, over pay and working conditions. strikes in the health service this month, are now likely to go ahead. month are now likely to go ahead. a government source described a meeting with health unions this morning as useful and constructive. well, ambulance staff in england are scheduled to stage two more strikes,
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one on wednesday and on the 23rd of january. nurses will also strike next week for two days, on the 18th and 19th. and this week in scotland, there'll be two days of industrial action by teachers, driving instructors in england and wales will also man picket lines, along with bus drivers in london. with more, here's our political correspondent, david wallace lockhart. hi, i'm rishi, very nice to see you. there's significant pressure on the health service and the prime minister. this morning he's announced an extra £250 million to get patients who are healthy enough out of hospital beds and into care. but more strikes are looming and notjust in the nhs. there are talks between government ministers and unions representing the health, education and transport sectors today. the prime minister sees this as a positive step. we are really pleased that union leaders accepted ministers' invitations to come in today to have discussions across the board. that's a really positive development and on pay we have always said that the government is happy to talk
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about pay demands and pay issues that are anchored in what's reasonable, what's responsible, what's affordable for the country. but the most important thing is those talks are happening and let's sit down and try and find a way through. but not everyone shares rishi sunak�*s optimism. the government wants to talk about pay for the year ahead. current strikes are in relation to this year's pay offer. for unions there has to be discussion about current rates of pay. this was one health union official on the way into talks. we haven't even seen an agenda for this meeting, that's the position we are in. but the demand is clear, we need discussion about 2023. so how did those talks go? the government have missed yet another opportunity to put this right. we came here in good faith. what they want to talk about is productivity. productivity, when our members are working 18—hour shifts. quite how you become more productive with that, i do not know.
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but other health unions had a more positive interpretation of pay discussions. the secretary of state was very, . very clear that resolving this means not just talking about pay- for the next period, but actually pay for the current pay year. so very clear that resolving the dispute will take - boosting pay ahead of lst april. there is speculation that a one—off payment for health workers could be back on the table. the prime minister wouldn't deny that this morning. in wales, a one—off payment will be offered to nhs staff as part of an attempt to avoid strikes. i hope of course that we will be able to find a resolution to this dispute in social partnership and i look forward to those meetings happening with our trade union colleagues later this week. no matter how productive or not today's talks prove to be, it's hard to see how imminent strikes can be averted, in fact there could shortly be more
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workers on picket lines, withjunior doctors set to be balloted for industrial action in march. ending this wave of strikes will be a challenge for the government. getting the unions around the table was the easy part, getting a deal seems some distance away. david wallace lockhart, bbc news, westminster. our chief political correspondent, david wallace lockheart is at westminster. david, a slightly different read out from the different unions, but what is your assessment as to how they have gone?— have gone? that's right, various sectors meeting _ have gone? that's right, various sectors meeting with _ have gone? that's right, variousl sectors meeting with government ministers today, unions representing health, transport and education. we have got quite a will the of reaction from the unions who were meeting with steve barkley the health secretary. the royal college of nursing say it was a disappointing meet. unite called it a missed opportunity. but unison
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talked about the issue of pay and there being some willingness to engage on that. what is complex about these talks is both sides seem to go in wanting to talk about different things. the unions wanted to talk about the pay offer they have got for this year. that is what the current strikes have been about. the government seems to want to talk about the next pay offer they want to get, maybe a better pay offer that may be tied to efficiency and productivity. unison's representative came out of the meeting and seemed to suggest steve barkley was willing to listen to the idea of pay for this year, the year the strikes are about and that is something he would take away. sources close to the health secretary are telling us that they were productive meetings, well worth having, that he is looking at the
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requests. the big question off the back of these meetings is would there be any increase on this year's pay? something so far the government has been unwilling to talk about something rishi sunak yesterday seemed to be pushing himself away from and if there was to be any increase, would it be tied to things like efficiency savings, productivity increases that may not go down well from the unions. and another factor to go down well from the unions. and anotherfactor to throw go down well from the unions. and another factor to throw in is the idea of one—off payments. that is something that mark drakeford the first minister of wales has outlined he hopes to offer to health workers in wales today as part of a package to try and avert strikes. that is something that we know the government is perhaps looking at, rishi sunak would not deny it could be offered to health workers today. but a big question around that would be what sort of amount would that be? when would it happen? would it be? when would it happen? would it be enough to avert industrial action? we will see in the weeks ahead. we know the unions would
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rather see their pay increase, because that is something that then becomes permanent, rather than a one—off payment. becomes permanent, rather than a one-off payment-— in wales mark drakeford said he would put forward an offer. he: believes they have enough cash to make a one—off offer to workers. this has happened before a couple of years ago. health workers were given a one—off payment after the their work through the covid. it was about £500. no amount put on this offer. we know that they have written to the health unions in wales and they hope to meet them by the end of the week. the initial noises from the royal college of nurses they welcome
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some development, but they're keen to have something that would be in their members' pay packets month after month. but it may be that there is a welsh compromise to be made. mark drakeford saying it is coincidental that there is talk of a one—off offer in england. he said if you're going to offer it to health workers, what about everyone else? there are many sectors here where industrial action is arranged or poised. he didn't close the door on that and that could bump up the bill for the welsh government. it will be careful in the negotiations later this week to make sure that penny by penny it gives the nurses enough to avert strike action, but doesn't go over budget. meanwhile, today, scotland's first minister, nicola sturgeon, has been speaking about how the combined pressures of covid, flu and strep a, have put unprecedented demand on the nhs in scotland.
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our correspondentjames shaw, was in edinburgh for us earlier today. she said there were severe pressures and a thousand patients with flu being admitted to hospital every week and on top of that covid and strep a. she said bed occupancy was at 95%. so very little leeway and compared that to the situation before the covid crisis, three years ago, when it was 87%. so giving a accepts ofjust how difficult the situation is. what is the scottish government going to do? well, they say they will put more money into nhs 24, the say they will put more money into nhs 2a, the helpline service that advises people and may be able to tell people they don't need to go into hospital unnecessarily. also extra money into social care. so if people are in hospital, but there is no medical need for them to be there, then a bed potentially can be found elsewhere. at no point did
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nicola sturgeon say this was a crisis or an emergency, although she did say the scottish government does have emergency powers. she insisted, despite what the british medical association has said that the nhs in scotland is safe for patients and does by and large provide an excellent standard of care. there's still no comment from buckingham palace, over prince harry's allegations concerning the royal family. the duke of sussex has now accused some members of being "complicit" in the suffering endured by his wife, meghan, and accused them of "getting in bed with the devil," in their relationships with the popular press. here's our royal correspondent, daniela relph. harry, the interview. what an original name! the themes of the interviews were familiar — fury at the british media, frustration with his own family, pain at losing his mother. during the first interview, excerpts from harry's
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audiobook were played. here, he described seeing photos of the paparazzi, as his mother lay dying at the crash scene in paris. they'd never stopped shooting her while she lay between the seats, unconscious, or semi—conscious. and in theirfrenzy, they'd sometimes accidentally photographed each other. not one of them was checking on her, offering her help, not even comforting her. they were just shooting, shooting, shooting. of his family, the criticism is direct. his brother and wife didn't get on with meghan from the start, he says. he accuses buckingham palace of not defending her, describing their silence as "deafening". the sibling rivalry with william is portrayed as intense and damaging. it is now, he says, his life's work to change the media landscape in the uk. and he again talked about his family planting stories with the press to enhance their reputation.
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after many, many years of lies being told about me and my family, there comes a point where, again, going back to the relationship between certain members of the family and the tabloid press, those certain members have decided to get into bed with the devil. there were, at times, contradictions and pettiness — perhaps as there are with all family fallouts — but he insisted he still loved his father and brother, and wanted things to be different. one might say, look, you haven't so much burnt your bridges as taken a flame—thrower to them by being this honest in the book. they might say to you, "look, you've just destroyed any chance of a reconciliation." well, they've shown absolutely no willingness to reconcile up until this point. and i'm not sure how honesty is burning bridges. you know, silence only allows the abuser to abuse. ticking
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i will sit here and speak... in his interview for cbs in america, he again discusses his own family leaking stories to the media, focusing on his stepmother, camilla queen consort, who he said had used the media to rehabilitate her public image. that made her dangerous because of the connections that she was forging within the british press. and there was open willingness on both sides to trade information. and with a family built on hierarchy, and with her on her way to being queen consort, there was going to be people, or bodies, left in the street because of that. he was also asked about his current relationship with his brother and his father. do you speak to william now? do you text? er, currently, no. but i look forward... i look forward to us being able to find peace. harry said he didn't think his father or his brother would read his new book, but he said writing it had been both painful and cathartic.
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daniela relph, bbc news. new proposals to support firms with their energy bills will be announced in the commons later today. the current scheme, which caps the unit cost of gas and electricity for all businesses, expires at the end of march. it will be replaced with a scheme that offers a discount on wholesale prices rather than a fixed price. britain and the european union are due to hold further talks today to try to reach a deal on a crucial aspect of post—brexit trading arrangements. the northern ireland protocol keeps northern ireland aligned with some eu trade rules, in order to avoid border checks with the neighbouring republic of ireland. there are hopes london and brussels may be edging closer to a deal on relaxing some of the new rules. but there are also warnings on the scale of the challenge in agreeing reforms.
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brazil's president, luiz inacio lula da silva, has ordered federal security forces, to take control of the capital, brasilia, after supporters of former president bolsonaro, stormed the government compound. the building houses the supreme court, congress and the office of the president. they're angry at the result of october's election. many world leaders have condemned the riot, which president lula da silva described as the work of "facists". our south america correspondent, katy watson has the latest. total chaos in brasilia, as thousands of hard line protesters invaded government buildings. authorities responding with tear gas to try and regain control of brazil's capital. this was a scenario many here feared might happen, after a divisive election back in october. these images are clearly reminiscent of what happened in the us capitol two years ago. after all, former president jair bolsonaro is nicknamed "the trump of the tropics" by some. but while far—right protesters
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here have been emboldened by the former us president, this was more than just a copycat insurrection. and it goes beyond bolsonaro, too. what angers protesters most is not so much that bolsonaro lost, but the fact that lula won — a man they see as belonging in prison, not the presidential palace. translation: i'm here in this totally peaceful demonstration because i don't agree with all the thievery of lula, the vice president, the supreme court and the superior electoral court. we want new elections, clean ballot boxes. translation: we don't believe that this election was democratic. there are several indications that there was fraud, that there was corruption. there's been no evidence of fraud, despite what these protesters claim. but no matter. what these people want is military intervention. it's the only way, in their view, that brazil can be saved from what they see as a stolen election. lula, though, the elected president, who's been in the job forjust a week, condemned what happened, calling the protesters fanatical fascists.
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translation: all those people who did this will be found and punished. they will realise that democracy guarantees the right to freedom and free speech, but it also demands that people respect the institutions created to strengthen democracy. by nightfall, people had been cleared from the buildings, and police were clearing the remaining protesters from the streets. at best, authorities were caught out unprepared. at worst, they're suspected of being involved. katy watson, bbc news in sao paulo. joining me now is dr andreza aruska, director of the brazilian studies programme at the university of oxford. mariana spring is with us. to what extent was online traffic behind
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these events?— extent was online traffic behind these events? ., ., , , , these events? narratives suggesting that the election _ these events? narratives suggesting that the election was _ these events? narratives suggesting that the election was rigged, - these events? narratives suggesting that the election was rigged, that. that the election was rigged, that jair bolsonaro was the real winner, allegations have been shared on social media for weeks. notjust after the election, but in the build up after the election, but in the build up to the election and they have been shared across social media and telegram is a popular site in brazil and extreme groups can organise, but what's app is also popular and instagram and facebook some of the allegations have been shared. the spotlight is on twitter, twitter that was bought by elon musk, sacked a lot of team in brazil, whosejob it was to monitor misinformation, it today we have seen how those narratives have, some of the protesters have been using code words to hint at what was going to happen yesterday and to join
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everyone together to get them outside congress. they used terms that if you were for example a brazilian... someone who work ed for twitter, you may pick on them. but the fact team doesn't exist. twitter argue they have done lots, to battle harmful content. but it doesn't look as if it has been effective.— as if it has been effective. there have been _ as if it has been effective. there have been comparison _ as if it has been effective. there have been comparison between| as if it has been effective. there have been comparison between these events and what happened in washington onjanuary 6th, the storming of capitol hill and there was a lot of online co—ordination and that followed donald trump's refusal to accept electoral defeat. do you see comparisons there? there are comparisons- _ do you see comparisons there? there are comparisons. when _ do you see comparisons there? there are comparisons. when you _ do you see comparisons there? ii” are comparisons. when you look at the clips of the riots yesterday, you can see the similarities of what happened almost two years ago. the social media conversation and the
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conspiracy their theories are similar. but in america donald trump was holding a rally, he was there, the former president was presents and his involvement in what happened has been interrogated, in this case jair bolsonaro had accepted the result. there has been time where the narratives have continued d to bubble and grow and it shows it doesn't matter when the people at the top engage with them, after january 6th those narratives have gone nowhere and they're affecting people around the world and that raises questions about how well the social media sites deal with disinformation in other languages. thank you. joining me now is dr andreza aruska, director of the brazilian studies programme at the university of oxford.
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what is your reading of what happened. as i say, very disturbing events, do you think brazilian democracy has been threatened by this? ., ~ , ., democracy has been threatened by this? ., ~ i. ., democracy has been threatened by this? ., ~ ., ., , this? thank you for having me. this is a very good _ this? thank you for having me. this is a very good question. _ this? thank you for having me. this is a very good question. i _ this? thank you for having me. this is a very good question. i think - is a very good question. i think brazilian democracy still is strong. we had a major election and we had fair results and a very accountable system that has proved its value. so in that sense it is strong, but we are dealing with as your reporter said, misinformation in brazil and fake news. this is spreading very quickly. and we had the organisation of protests building up for weeks now and with some sense of co—nigh vance with police force. we can
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still see there is a minority. but it is still a very engaged minority that led to this massive destruction of the capital. we that led to this massive destruction of the capital-— of the capital. we were talking and the comparisons _ of the capital. we were talking and the comparisons with _ of the capital. we were talking and the comparisons with the - of the capital. we were talking and the comparisons with the stormingj of the capital. we were talking and i the comparisons with the storming of the comparisons with the storming of the us capitol building a couple of years ago. do you see comparisons, or do you think what happened in brazil is very different? i or do you think what happened in brazil is very different?— brazil is very different? i think there is a _ brazil is very different? i think there is a comparison, - brazil is very different? i think there is a comparison, that. brazil is very different? i think there is a comparison, that is | brazil is very different? i think- there is a comparison, that is also a precedent. the us did it and other countries and right—wing organisations should say, ok, we disagree with this result and we think it is not fair and they take this step and think they have the right to take these election rights away and claim their own results and they storm and break things. so there is a comparison. what is to be discussed jair bolsonaro wasn't in
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brazil. but there are family members ofjair bolsonaro brazil. but there are family members of jair bolsonaro that were in the protest and were filming the protest and clearly there. also jair bolsonaro didn't pass on power to lula, he left the country before lula's inauguration so, silence, the kind of absence, is also giving a message in is in case. so can we really say thatjair message in is in case. so can we really say that jair bolsonaro ills not involved? i don't think so. what not involved? i don't think so. what ha--ens not involved? i don't think so. what happens now. _ not involved? i don't think so. what happens now. is _ not involved? i don't think so. what happens now, is the _ not involved? i don't think so. what happens now, is the new _ not involved? i don't think so. what happens now, is the new president, lula, is he safe in office do you think, and what happens to brazilian democracy? think, and what happens to brazilian democra ? , ., ., democracy? there is a level of uncertainty — democracy? there is a level of uncertainty and _ democracy? there is a level of uncertainty and insecurity. - democracy? there is a level of uncertainty and insecurity. i i democracy? there is a level of| uncertainty and insecurity. i am from brasil ya and i have family members and colleagues who are public servants and there is fear of just going to work. if they plant bombs, what is next? this level of uncertainty is there. we have now
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politicians and people who are taking security measus. going to work in a public building will feel more like going to an airport probably. security will escalate. but measures are going to be stronger now. they are already intervened in the government of brasil, calling there was a lot of events from the governor of the federal district. nowjair events from the governor of the federal district. now jair bolsonaro supporters who are camping in front of military headquarters, they have been removed. so some actions are taking place. but we need to see what is going to unfold.- taking place. but we need to see what is going to unfold.
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flooding described as a "once in a century event" has left communities in western australia without power and hundreds of residents in need of evacuation. in parts of the kimberley region, flood water is stretching for 50 kilometres. it was caused by heavy rainfall brought by a tropical cyclone. the australian government has promised relief for stranded communities and areas which have seen the worst of the damage. a man is planning to sue a nursing home, alledging that during the pandemic, his mother was put on end of life care, without her family being consulted, and in breach of official guidelines. antonia stowel�*s son says his mother, who was 87 and died in 2020, didn't have the mental capacity to consent, because she was suffering from dementia. in response, the nursing home in hull, says the correct process was followed in mrs stowell�*s care. with more, here's our home affairs correspondent, june kelly. antonia stowell was born in spain. in the 1950s she married a british soldier.
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and they lived and raised theirfamily in the uk. happy new year to all my children, and i love you all very much. as she became elderly, antonia, by then a widow, was diagnosed with dementia and herfamily decided to move her into a care home. in 2020, during the first pandemic lockdown, her son tony says although he wasn't allowed in he visited his mother regularly and would see her through a window. but in may that year she suddenly seemed to deteriorate. when i looked through the window she was just slumped in her wheelchair, didn't look right to me. so i'm banging on the window and the doors and that's when i said, "what's wrong with my mum?" i said, "what's wrong with her?" i said, "where's the one—to—one?" "oh, she's fine, she'sjust sleeping." i said, "it looks like she's dead." the following day tony stowell says he was told over the phone by staff
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at the rose villa nursing home in hull that his mother had been put on end—of—life care. his lawyers have obtained antonia's hospital records which they say show she had been diagnosed with pneumonia at the home and end—of—life drugs had been ordered by medical professionals. tony says he had to break the news to his siblings that their mother was on end—of—life care. the family insisted that she should instead be taken to hospital immediately for treatment. she died there the following day. they should have consulted all family members, if mum had a headache or didn't feel very well, as the care home always did in the past two and a half years. they would phone us, each member. they couldn'tjust phone one family member up — it had to be each one. i always got calls from them. cannot fault them. this is why i'm so angry. in a statement rose villa nursing home told us...
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hull royal infirmary, where antonia was moved to and where she spent her final 2a hours, said she died from covid and dementia. june kelly, bbc news, hull. now it's time for a look at the weather with darren bett. hello, we have got cloud and rain heading our way for tomorrow. today has been chillier with sunshine and showers. the showers continue tonight, mainly in the north. some heavy and wintry over the hills. temperatures six or seven degrees. the showers fade away and the cloud comes in from the west, bringing rain from the west. ahead of it for eastern scotland and england temperatures down to tw or three
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hello, this is bbc news. the headlines: the government has decribed meetings with health unions today as useful and constructive. but unions are more critical — with one calling the talks a missed opportunity. prince harry accuses some in the royal family of being "complicit," in the suffering of his wife, meghan — as more tv interviews are broadcast. there's widespread condemnation of the storming of brazil's congress by supporters of former presidentjair bolsonaro. thousands of nhs patients in england will be moved into care homes — in plans to ease pressure on hospitals. and coming up — getting ready for blast—off — preparations are underway in cornwall for a rocket launch that could mark a breakthrough
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in the uk's space race. sport now and a full round up from the bbc sport centre. good afternoon. bbc sport understands that chelsea boss graham potter "retains the support of the club's board" despite winning just once in their last eight matches. their latest defeat, which alan shearer called "embarrasing" came at manchester city in the fa cup third round. riyah mahrez opened the scoring with a stunning free—kick. in a devasting 15 minute spell, which sanulian alvarez and phil foden effectively end the tie before half time. potter admitted after the match that his side is "clearly suffering as a football club" and fans chanted the name of former boss thomas tuchel. it's understood the club wants to adopt a different approach to former owner roman abramovich, who was renowned for his high turnover of managers. stevenage, wrexham and sheffield wednesday all produced big shocks over the weekend in the fa cup third round and tonight oxford united will be looking to take inspiration when they they host the premier league leaders
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arsenal this evening. mikel arteta knows his side need to be prepared for a real battle. it isa it is a difficult game because they make you face things which you are probably not used to, it can be the opponent and their style of play, the fact that you do not play this every single day, so you have to get used to it. roberto martinez has been appointed as the new manager of portugal. the former everton boss left his role with belgium after the world cup. the spaniard will replace fernando santos, who stood down as manager after portugal's quarter—final loss to morocco at the world cup. martinez�*s own contract with belgium ended after their group—stage exit in qatar. he had been linked to a return to everton as the team struggles under frank lampard. wales manager gemma grainger has extended her deal to remain in charge of the national side until 2027. the new deal is reward for her efforts with wales — after attracting the interest of club sides. grainger succeeded jayne ludlow
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as boss in march 2021 and took wales to a first major tournament play—off final, where they were defeated 2—1 by switzerland. grainger said she was "delighted" to extend herjourney "working with this special group." wales will next be in action during the pinatar cup in spain next month. england fly—half owen farrell could miss the six nations after being cited by the rugby football union for a dangerous tackle in a club game for saracens. he will face a disciplinary hearing tomorrow. on friday the 31—year—old put in a high tackle on gloucester playerjack clement that made contact with clement's head. it wasn't reviewed at the time by the referee, and farrell went on to win the game for saracens with a drop—goal on the final whistle. it's not the first time farrell's tackle technique has been in the spotlight after he received a ten—week ban reduced to five games in 2020. a similar penalty would see him miss england's games with scotland and italy. however, any ban could be longer. emma raducanu says she "hopes to be fit" for the australian open which begins a week today. the former us open champion was forced to retire from her second round match at the asb classic in auckland last week,
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after twisting her ankle. it was the latest in a series of injuries which have hampered her progress over the last year. raducanu says she's assessing the injury on a �*day by day basis'. i was feeling really good with the preparation i did physically, and i just had an accident on the court and i don't know what i could have done to prevent that. but i'm just taking it a day at a time, honestly, and trying every single day as best as i can to make progress, and we will see hopefully by monday, that when the tournament starts i will be ok and ready. masters snooker at alexandra palace is back underway following a dramatic opening day that saw former winner mark selby and defending champion neil robertson both eliminated. ronnie o'sullivan's underway this afternoon. ronnie o'sullivan's he's up against luca brecel and it looks like there's
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no stopping him. 3—1 up against the belgian. it's best of 11 frames at this stage. it's all live on bbc two, bbc sport website and app. that's all the sport for now. let's return to those talks between union leaders and government departments today, aimed at resolving pay disputes and preventing further strikes. speaking outside the department for education following talks with education secretary gillian keegan, kevin courtney, joint general secretary of the national education union said no real offer is currently on the table. we met with the secretary of state for an hour. there is a suggestion of further discussions. we have offered to clear our diaries this week for those further
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discussions, further discussions about what their evidence to the strb might be for next year. and we were pressing for some discussion about pay this year as well. i think we can all say that we don't think those meetings would have been happening without the prospect of industrial action. so, we will always engage and always be there, but while saying there are thoughts of further meetings, there is no sense of concrete progress on any of those things as yet. there is no offer, there is no change, there are further discussions to happen that we will engage in while still urging our members to vote on any ballots that will happen. kevin courtenay there, who's been involved in talks with the education secretary today — let's turn to the health unions involved in talks today — and speak to onay kasab, national lead officer at unite. you had talks with the health
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secretary, any progress made? unfortunately, there wasn't progress made the only progress really has to be discussion around pay for the period for 2022 and that did not take place and instead the government wanted to talk about productivity and efficiency savings, which is not going to resolve the 2022 pay dispute and as a result industrial action will continue. that was a direct result of the government failing yet again to take an opportunity to negotiate. mas an opportunity to negotiate. was there anything — an opportunity to negotiate. was there anything different on the table in terms of offers about this year, 2023? table in terms of offers about this year. 2023?— table in terms of offers about this ear, 2023? ., ., , �* year, 2023? no. there wasn't. the only discussion _ year, 2023? no. there wasn't. the only discussion around _ year, 2023? no. there wasn't. the only discussion around pay - year, 2023? no. there wasn't. the only discussion around pay was - year, 2023? no. there wasn't. the only discussion around pay was the unions have been putting our case but the government focus was around a debate about affordability, productivity and efficiency. there
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is a debate to be had but choices to be made about where money is spent and i think the public support us in believing that it should be spent on the nhs. and on the workforce. unfortunately, the government has yet again refused to engage in a discussion today. it yet again refused to engage in a discussion today.— yet again refused to engage in a discussion today. it was a different icture discussion today. it was a different picture coming _ discussion today. it was a different picture coming from _ discussion today. it was a different picture coming from unison, - discussion today. it was a different picture coming from unison, one l discussion today. it was a different | picture coming from unison, one of the other unions, they say, progress was made, they say, when you are in the room with the secretary of state talking about pay that is progress, they say, they say they did not get they say, they say they did not get the tangible concessions they hoped for that would enable them to call off the strike later this week. but that was a slightly more positive readout than the one you are giving? there was no pay offer, that's the reality, no pay proposal. because it is progress you actually are in a
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room with the government to have a discussion and i think based on the various stories floated around at the weekend, may be the hopes of people were being raised, but the harsh reality is, no offer has been put on the table and no real offer has been discussed and as a result our members once again, it is not something they want to do, but they will be forced to take strike action because the government yet again has failed to negotiate on pay. [30 because the government yet again has failed to negotiate on pay.— failed to negotiate on pay. do you think the government _ failed to negotiate on pay. do you think the government position - failed to negotiate on pay. do you| think the government position has moved at all? they are at least talking to you?— moved at all? they are at least talking to you? yes, there is talks and there are _ talking to you? yes, there is talks and there are talks, _ talking to you? yes, there is talks and there are talks, but _ talking to you? yes, there is talks and there are talks, but when - talking to you? yes, there is talks and there are talks, but when we | and there are talks, but when we turn up wanting to discuss the pay dispute, the issue about which people are striking over, the government turns up and their
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priority is to talk about productivity and efficiency savings, then that is extremely disappointing to say the least. i think a lot of our members quite rightly are going to be very angry when they hear about that. people working 18 hour shifts, now being told that we need to look at productivity within the nhs. , ., y ., , , to look at productivity within the nhs. , , , ., nhs. remind us who you represent and what ou nhs. remind us who you represent and what you want — nhs. remind us who you represent and what you want in _ nhs. remind us who you represent and what you want in an _ nhs. remind us who you represent and what you want in an ideal— nhs. remind us who you represent and what you want in an ideal world - nhs. remind us who you represent and what you want in an ideal world in - what you want in an ideal world in terms of pay? we what you want in an ideal world in terms of pay?— what you want in an ideal world in terms of pay? we represent workers across the nhs _ terms of pay? we represent workers across the nhs from _ terms of pay? we represent workers across the nhs from paramedics, i across the nhs from paramedics, ambulance workers, nurses, but also the people who work at reception and who work as caretakers and the building staff, so we represent people right across the nhs. the rpi measure of inflation, we think, is a reasonable measure of the cost of
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living. the government's proposal that it has imposed is nowhere near that, when so many members are getting an increase of around 4% but rpi is at 14%, the getting an increase of around 4% but rpi is at 1a%, the reality is on tackling this is that people have had a pay cut. the tackling this is that people have had a pay cut-— tackling this is that people have had a -a cut. . ., had a pay cut. the argument of the government _ had a pay cut. the argument of the government is _ had a pay cut. the argument of the government is that _ had a pay cut. the argument of the government is that this _ had a pay cut. the argument of the government is that this isn't - had a pay cut. the argument of the government is that this isn't their l government is that this isn't their offer, this is from an independent pay review body and also they say that anything above that would have to come out of the nhs funds, so it would affect nhs clinical and patient care because it would be money that is for that and that would have to go on pay instead? the -a would have to go on pay instead? tue: pay review body would have to go on pay instead? tt2 pay review body is completely discredited. the government appoints representatives onto the pay review body and the government also gives the budget for the pay review body, but what we want is negotiations and
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as far as affordability and where the money comes from, you are right to raise that point, and the question for 2023 is, who pays, and in our view, there is money in in the society but the question is about choices, and one example, the energy companies will be making some hundred and 70 billion in excess profits over the next two years so how about a windfall tax of around £50 billion taken away from those excess profits and given to the nhs? that would solve the problem tomorrow. tt that would solve the problem tomorrow— that would solve the problem tomorrow. ., , �* tomorrow. it doesn't sound as if there is much _ tomorrow. it doesn't sound as if there is much hope _ tomorrow. it doesn't sound as if there is much hope in _ tomorrow. it doesn't sound as if there is much hope in terms - tomorrow. it doesn't sound as if there is much hope in terms of. there is much hope in terms of ending this dispute that you are involved with and averting strike action because it doesn't sound like there is anything really in terms of compromise on the horizon? despite my disappointment _ compromise on the horizon? despite my disappointment today, _ my disappointment today, despite being very annoyed at this focus on
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productivity, i'm actually full of hope because i think our members are willing to make a stand and take action and with public support i think we will win a decent pay rise for our members.— think we will win a decent pay rise for our members. thanks for “oining us. that for our members. thanks for “oining that is — for our members. thanks for “oining us. that is the i for our members. thanks for “oining us. that is the perspective h for our members. thanks forjoining us. that is the perspective from - for our members. thanks forjoining us. that is the perspective from the j us. that is the perspective from the unite union. we are expecting to hearfrom stephen unite union. we are expecting to hear from stephen barclay the unite union. we are expecting to hearfrom stephen barclay the health secretary when he delivers a statement on the nhs and the winter pressures which is coming up in the house of commons a bit later at 330 this afternoon. let me bring you some breaking news. this is on the good friday agreement. this is a joint statement on eu access to real—time trade data and the protocol, a joint statement from uk foreign secretary james cleverly and
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the vice president of the eu commission as well. they have been meeting and this is what they are saying, they have underlined the uk and eu's shared commitment to protect the good friday agreement in all its parts while protecting the integrity of the eu single market and the uk internal market, and they agree that while a range of issues needs to be resolved to find a way forward, an agreement was reached today on the way forward regarding the specific question of eu access to uk it systems and they noted this work was a prerequisite to building trust and providing assurance and provided a new basis for eu uk discussions. another group of heath workers who could be taking action are junior doctors in england. they could stage a three—day walkout in march, if they vote for a strike in a dispute over pay. the british medical association union is balloting around 115,000 of its members from today. our health reporter
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katharine da costa has this report. it's busy. it's relentless. dr matt bilton is in his third year of work after medical school. he's got £70,000 worth of student debt, and says the current pay deal has leftjunior doctors feeling undervalued. utterly demoralised, frankly. i've worked incredibly hard to get to the position that i'm in at the moment. i've studied for many, many years, and trained for more, and a doctor with three years of experience earns £20 an hour and might be the doctor that's first to find someone whose heart's stopped in the middle of the night and start cpr. it's brought into sharp focus what i might want to do with my future, and whether or not my future lies in the nhs as a doctor, or even in the country. junior doctors last went on strike in 2016, in a dispute over their contracts. this time, if bma members back
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industrial action, the plan is to walk out for 72 hours in march, and withdraw emergency care. the union says it's the only way to press the government on pay. the basic salary of a junior doctor in their first year the basic salary of a junior isjust over 29,000, not including overtime and night payments. junior doctors in england received a 2% rise in april as part of a four—year deal, but the bma estimates their pay has fallen by more than a quarter over the last 15 years, as a result of rising inflation. while there's been a substantial increase in the number of students being accepted into medical schools, the junior doctor's salary has fallen in real terms, and these students leaving their studies with about 50 to £90,000 worth of debt. so it creates real problems in terms of how you recruit and retain these students in the nhs. the department of health says junior doctors' pay has risen by 8% in the four years to march this year, and there's been extra investment to provide more money for the most experienced junior doctors, as well as extra
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funds for those working frequent weekends and night shifts. the government says it'll discuss pay once this current deal comes to an end, but trust leaders say they're still concerned. what that means is that we're - going to lose more and more staff, which makes the front line task more difficult. - what we need is a fully funded, i costed, workforce plan, and staff need to know the cavalry is coming. junior doctors in the rest of the uk have been offered a pay rise of 4.5%. the bma in scotland is set to ballot members within months, and in england the ballot result�*s expected in six weeks' time. katharine da costa, bbc news. there's still no comment from buckingham palace, over prince harry's allegations concerning the royal family. the duke of sussex has now accused some members of being "complicit" in the suffering endured by his wife, meghan, and accused them of "getting in bed with the devil," in their relationships with the popular press.
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for more analysis on last night's interviews let's speak to farzana baduel, ceo of curzon pr. a series of interviews, obviously, there was the itv one and more in america, all designed to promote the book, so has been successful in that respect? is any publicity is good publicity when you are trying to push a book and it was a very expensive book dealfor push a book and it was a very expensive book deal for the publishers? tt expensive book deal for the publishers?— expensive book deal for the ublishers? , , ., ., publishers? it depends on what the name publishers? it depends on what the came [an publishers? it depends on what the game plan is _ publishers? it depends on what the game plan is and — publishers? it depends on what the game plan is and if _ publishers? it depends on what the game plan is and if it _ publishers? it depends on what the game plan is and if it is _ publishers? it depends on what the game plan is and if it is to - game plan is and if it is to monetise and still the story by controlling the narrative, that kind of cathartic experience, and to deliver a dose of vengeance, i think they have achieved the objective, but ultimately even hate is a form of engagement so even in the uk this is negative but it makes money,
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because people want to read the articles and find out what the latest is and they watch the news and the whole ecosystem around this achieves the goal is for some and not for others. i wonder if the uk is their market, i suspect the us is, it is the fifth largest economy in the world, california, on the fourth when it overtakes germany later this year and this comes from the big us companies, so when you look at the amount of broadcast interviews he is doing with us versus the uk, we are not his target audience. i suspect he feels as if he has burned his bridges with the uk media and he feels that the us is a bit more of a virgin territory for him to tell a story.— him to tell a story. interesting, the interview _ him to tell a story. interesting, the interview last _ him to tell a story. interesting, the interview last night - him to tell a story. interesting, the interview last night got - him to tell a story. interesting, l the interview last night got fewer viewers than happy valley on bbc one apparently, so maybe interest is slightly declining in this country at least? t slightly declining in this country at least? . .
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slightly declining in this country at least? ., . ., , at least? i watched the documentary and i will probably _ at least? i watched the documentary and i will probably end _ at least? i watched the documentary and i will probably end up _ at least? i watched the documentary and i will probably end up ordering l and i will probably end up ordering the book but how much more can he say? you feel there has been a tsunami of stories and you almost feel like you are in a family therapy scenario and i would have advised him to keep the powder dry a bit, what is he going to do for the next book? it feels as if this is too much information and it is a lot for us to process. we are just getting over the festive season and we had a story after story and a lot of people are turning off, actually, because it is too much information and it feels wrong, it feels like it is a private matter and we are encroaching on what is in essence a family dynamic which should have been dealt with behind doors. the fact the details of the book were leaked, from america initially, the guardian correspondent there got
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hold of a copy, and then it was published prematurely in spain, so do you think that also generated more headlines and more publicity and may be a better pr campaign for the book than if it had been a normal launch?— the book than if it had been a normal launch? , ., ., normal launch? yes. leaks are part of pr strategy _ normal launch? yes. leaks are part of pr strategy and _ normal launch? yes. leaks are part of pr strategy and sometimes - normal launch? yes. leaks are part of pr strategy and sometimes it. normal launch? yes. leaks are part of pr strategy and sometimes it is | of pr strategy and sometimes it is not about competence and how they plan a leak but there were column inches before the book was even released, a lot of speculation, what could be in it and what isn't, and the leak is another layer of media narratives played out but you also have a lot of comments from the book taken out of context and especially with social media, it travels around the world and people extract one line he may have said that camilla is dangerous and people have not bothered to think about what the context was around the comment, so it also feeds into a lot of
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misinformation about them. good to talk to you- — misinformation about them. good to talk to you. thanks _ misinformation about them. good to talk to you. thanks for _ misinformation about them. good to talk to you. thanks forjoining - misinformation about them. good to talk to you. thanks forjoining us. i a major milestone for the uk's space programme is set to take place later today, with the first ever orbital space launch from british soil. the mission, which will blast off from a new spaceport at newquay in cornwall, will involve a repurposed 7117 jumbo jet carrying a rocket into the sky before releasing it over the atlantic to send nine satellites into orbit above the earth. jenny kumah is in cornwall for us ahead of the launch. excitement is building? there is a real buzz of excitement and media from all over the world. the weather is looking quite good, that was one of the issues which potentially could delay this but i'm told it is windy but it is looking clear for later. this is a replica of the
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rocket which will be attached to the wing of the 7117 and one of the teams involved in this is the goon hilly earth station and this is the chief executive, ianjones, tell us about your involvement. we executive, ian jones, tell us about your involvement.— your involvement. we have been involved since _ your involvement. we have been involved since the _ your involvement. we have been involved since the beginning - your involvement. we have been involved since the beginning of l your involvement. we have been l involved since the beginning of the spaceport— involved since the beginning of the spaceport story, getting the politicians involved and the technical details but today have three _ technical details but today have three antennas involved in the mission, — three antennas involved in the mission, one which will be at the end of— mission, one which will be at the end of the — mission, one which will be at the end of the runway to do the pre—flight checks and one which is located _ pre—flight checks and one which is located in— pre—flight checks and one which is located in southern ireland which is where _ located in southern ireland which is where the _ located in southern ireland which is where the drop zone is, so we can see everything is ok for the drop zone: _ see everything is ok for the drop zone. and — see everything is ok for the drop zone, and then we have one dish here which _ zone, and then we have one dish here which will— zone, and then we have one dish here which will he — zone, and then we have one dish here which will be supporting one of the emissions, — which will be supporting one of the emissions, the iod amber mission, when _ emissions, the iod amber mission, when it— emissions, the iod amber mission, when it is— emissions, the iod amber mission, when it is up— emissions, the iod amber mission, when it is up in space. this emissions, the iod amber mission, when it is up in space.— when it is up in space. this has been years _ when it is up in space. this has been years in _ when it is up in space. this has been years in the _ when it is up in space. this has been years in the planning - when it is up in space. this has been years in the planning and| when it is up in space. this has i been years in the planning and we are on the cusp of it happening, so what does this mean for cornwall? this is a tremendous achievement for the uk. _ this is a tremendous achievement for the uk. in _
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this is a tremendous achievement for the uk, in fact, the uk is one of the uk, in fact, the uk is one of the very— the uk, in fact, the uk is one of the very first launching nations after— the very first launching nations after the — the very first launching nations after the us and russia, and the big countries. _ after the us and russia, and the big countries, so it is great to be able to do— countries, so it is great to be able to do this — countries, so it is great to be able to do this in — countries, so it is great to be able to do this in europe, the first country— to do this in europe, the first country in _ to do this in europe, the first country in europe to launch rockets into space. — country in europe to launch rockets into space, this is fantastic. it is already— into space, this is fantastic. it is already driving industry in the region— already driving industry in the region and just across the runway we have an _ region and just across the runway we have an amazing satellite integration facility so people are able to— integration facility so people are able to build and integrate satellites and launch them from uk soil. . . satellites and launch them from uk soil. , , . ., , , satellites and launch them from uk soil. , , , soil. this replica behind us has been taken _ soil. this replica behind us has been taken around _ soil. this replica behind us has been taken around schools - soil. this replica behind us hasj been taken around schools and soil. this replica behind us has - been taken around schools and this project itself is one of the aims is to inspire a new generation of space professionals especially amongst young people in cornwall so they don't have to go away to get those well—paid highly skilled jobs? that well-paid highly skilled “obs? that is riuht. well-paid highly skilled “obs? that is right. we — well-paid highly skilled “obs? that is right. we have h well—paid highly skilled jobs? that is right. we have been going for a bit longer— is right. we have been going for a bit longer here and we are finding that. _ bit longer here and we are finding that. we — bit longer here and we are finding that, we have got a number of young graduates— that, we have got a number of young graduates who have been away to university — graduates who have been away to
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university and are now coming back into the _ university and are now coming back into the county and doing amazing 'obs into the county and doing amazing jobs and _ into the county and doing amazing jobs and this is exactly what we plan _ jobs and this is exactly what we plan to— jobs and this is exactly what we plan to do— jobs and this is exactly what we plan to do here with the spaceport. it is inspiring to a young generation. it is ok being inspired but you _ generation. it is ok being inspired but you need the aspiration and to be able _ but you need the aspiration and to be able to— but you need the aspiration and to be able to see that this is happening right on your doorstep so that you _ happening right on your doorstep so that you can partake in it. we happening right on your doorstep so that you can partake in it.— that you can partake in it. we are hours away _ that you can partake in it. we are hours away from _ that you can partake in it. we are hours away from the _ that you can partake in it. we are hours away from the iconic - that you can partake in it. we are i hours away from the iconic moment that will hopefully act as inspiration and aspiration for those younger generations, and hundreds of people will be here to watch it on site and tickets were made available for free on the website last week and they went within seconds. molar. and they went within seconds. wow. let's ho -e and they went within seconds. wow. let's hope it — and they went within seconds. wow. let's hope it is _ and they went within seconds. wow. let's hope it is a _ and they went within seconds. wow. let's hope it is a successful - let's hope it is a successful launch. jenny, thanks forjoining launch. jenny, thanks for joining us. jenny launch. jenny, thanks forjoining us. jenny was talking about the weather forecast for cornwall and let's have a look at what it is like the rest of the country. hello. some potentially wintry over the
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hills and temperatures by this stage of 6—7 and the showers do tend to fade away late in the evening in the first part of the night and that we have the cloud coming in from the atlantic which brings rain from the west and ahead of that for eastern scotland and eastern england temperatures down to 2—3 much as they were last night. the rain continues northwards and east across the country with heavy rain over the hills of wales and north—western england especially in cumbria and we may see the rain easing off for a while in wales with dry weather in the afternoon to the midlands and southern england and later in the day after the rain some sunshine in northern ireland. when than today but more of a south westerly when hence the temperatures being high —— windier than today.
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this is bbc news. i'm ben brown. the headlines: there's been little progress in talks between unions and ministers — aimed at averting more strikes. the government has said meetings with health unions were useful and constructive. but unions have been more critical it was a very civil meeting. we did actually manage to talk about pay. we didn't get the tangible concessions that we might have hoped or that would enable us to call off the strikes later this week. prince harry accuses some in the royal family of being "complicit," in the suffering of his wife, meghan — as more tv interviews are broadcast. there's widespread condemnation, of the storming of brazil's congress, by supporters of former president, jair bolsonaro. thousands of nhs patients
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in england will be moved into care homes — in plans to ease pressure on hospitals and coming up — getting ready for blast—off — preparations are underway in cornwall for a rocket launch that could mark a breakthrough in the uk's space race. unions say they have made little progress with the government in talks aimed at bringing an end to long—running strike action in the nhs to an end. ministers are holding meetings with health, teaching and rail unions to try to resolve the walk—outs, over pay and working conditions. strikes in the health service this month, are now likely to go ahead. a government source described
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a meeting with health unions this morning as useful and constructive. well, ambulance staff in england are scheduled to stage two more strikes, one on wednesday and on 23rd of january. nurses will also strike next week for two days, on the 18th and 19th. and this week in scotland, there'll be two days of industrial action by teachers, driving instructors in england and wales will also man picket lines, aloing with bus drivers in london. with more, here's our political correspondent, david wallace lockhart. hi, i'm rishi, very nice to see you. there's significant pressure on the health service and the prime minister. this morning he's announced an extra £250 million to get patients who are healthy enough out of hospital beds and into care. but more strikes are looming and notjust in the nhs. there are talks between government ministers and unions representing the health, education and transport sectors today. the prime minister sees this as a positive step. we are really pleased that
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union leaders accepted ministers' invitations to come in today to have discussions across the board. that's a really positive development and on pay we have always said that the government is happy to talk about pay demands and pay issues that are anchored in what's reasonable, what's responsible, what's affordable for the country. but the most important thing is those talks are happening and let's sit down and try and find a way through. but not everyone shares rishi sunak�*s optimism. the government wants to talk about pay for the year ahead. current strikes are in relation to this year's pay offer. for unions there has to be discussion about current rates of pay. this was one health union official on the way into talks. we haven't even seen an agenda for this meeting, that's the position we are in. but the demand is clear, we need discussion about 2023. so how did those talks go? the government have missed yet another opportunity to put this right. we came here in good faith. what they want to talk
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about is productivity. productivity, when our members are working 18—hour shifts. quite how you become more productive with that, i do not know. but other health unions had a more positive interpretation of pay discussions. the secretary of state was very, . very clear that resolving this means not just talking about pay- for the next period, but actually pay for the current pay year. so very clear that resolving the dispute will take - boosting pay ahead of ist april. there is speculation that a one—off payment for health workers could be back on the table. the prime minister wouldn't deny that this morning. in wales, a one—off payment will be offered to nhs staff as part of an attempt to avoid strikes. i hope of course that we will be able to find a resolution to this dispute in social partnership and i look forward to those meetings happening with our trade union colleagues later this week.
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no matter how productive or not today's talks prove to be, it's hard to see how imminent strikes can be averted, in fact there could shortly be more workers on picket lines, withjunior doctors set to be balloted for industrial action in march. ending this wave of strikes will be a challenge for the government. getting the unions around the table was the easy part, getting a deal seems some distance away. david wallace lockhart, bbc news, westminster. earlier i spoke to david and asked for more explanation about the government and the unions' position. various sectors meeting with government ministers today, unions representing health, transport and education. we have had a lot of reaction from unions meeting the health secretary steve barclay. royal college of nursing said it was
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a disappointing meeting. perhaps the most interesting statement came came from unison. what is complex about the talks is both sides seem to want to talk about different things. the unions want to talk about the pay offerfor this unions want to talk about the pay offer for this year. that is what the strikes have been about. whereas the strikes have been about. whereas the government seems to want to talk about the next pay offer they will get, perhaps a slightly different pay offer that may be tied to efficiency and productivity. the unison representative seemed to suggest that he had been willing to listen to the idea of increasing pay for this year, the year that all the strikes are about and that was something he would take away. sources close to the health secretary tell us that they were
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productive meetings, well worth having. that he is looking at the requests and will take them away. i guess the big question off the back of the meetings is would there be any increase on this year's pay. something the government has been unwilling to talk about and something rishi sunak seemed to push away from. and if there was any increase, would it be tied to things like efficiency savings. and the idea of one—off payments, something that mark drakeford, the first minister of wales outlined he hopes to offer to health workers as part of a package try and avert strikes. that is something the government is perhaps looking at. rishi sunak would not denying it could be offered. but a big question is what sort of amount would that be, when would it happen? and would it be
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enough to avert industrial action. we know the unions would rather see their pay increase, that is something that becomes perm nantes, rather —— permanent, rather than a one—off payment. rather -- permanent, rather than a one-off payment-— one-off payment. that is our olitical one-off payment. that is our political correspondent. - one-off payment. that is our| political correspondent. talks one-off payment. that is our- political correspondent. talks the between the government and unions have been as we heard described as an insult by the unite union. let's speak now to sara gorton, head of health at unison, who has been at the meeting between the unions and the health and social care secretary, stephen barclay. thank you for being us with. we have had quite a negative read out from unite and the royal college of nursing, saying they were disappointed by the talks. you were a bit more positive, saying that
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progress has been made. is that right? 50 progress has been made. is that riiht? , , progress has been made. is that riuht? , , , ., right? so firstly, the person from unite that you — right? so firstly, the person from unite that you spoke _ right? so firstly, the person from unite that you spoke to _ right? so firstly, the person from unite that you spoke to wasn't i right? so firstly, the person from unite that you spoke to wasn't in | unite that you spoke to wasn't in the meeting that we had. so, i think what i described as positive was being in a room with the secretary of state talking about pay p. and getting the acknowledgement that he understands that resolving the dispute requires them to shift on not just setting dispute requires them to shift on notjust setting out dispute requires them to shift on not just setting out a dispute requires them to shift on notjust setting out a better arrangement for the future, but boosting the pay for the current pay year. so ahead of the first april. i think other colleagues might have found it disappointed, if they had listened to the rumours over the weekend and this morning about the situation you covered about the likelihood of one—off payments or back dating the pay offer and having a commitment on that. if those were
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the expectations going in then people would have been disappointed. we did not get the firm commitment that we would have liked to call off the strikes. however, the tone has definitely changed, the last time a group of unions met the secretary of state in december it was before the initial strikes and we were told we were not able to talk about pay. interestingly you referred to the meetings being about resolving the dispute. they were not pitched like that. they were pitched, we were invited to come and talk to the secretary of state to hear about the case they will be putting to the pay review for pay next year. it does feel there is an attempt on the secretary of state's part to at least understand and acknowledge the position of trade unions. quite how thatis position of trade unions. quite how that is matched by a firm commitment from the treasury, the likes of which we need to call the strikes off, you know, is your guess is as good as mine. t0
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off, you know, is your guess is as good as mine-— off, you know, is your guess is as good as mine. to be clear, you're sa in: good as mine. to be clear, you're saying there _ good as mine. to be clear, you're saying there was _ good as mine. to be clear, you're saying there was progress - good as mine. to be clear, you're saying there was progress to i good as mine. to be clear, you're saying there was progress to the l saying there was progress to the extent that the health secretary is prepared to talk about pay, but was there any sort of specific commitment or offer on pay? absolutely not. if there was a firm commitment to boosting pay before the 1st april and negotiating us with, we would be in a position where we were talking about the potential to pause the dispute planned for wednesday. we didn't get that kind of firm commitment. what was different is we were talking about pay. and we got an acknowledgement that resolving the dispute requires or they know that we want to talk about resolving that, boosting pay. the ball is in the government's court and we
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suggested a good next step would be for the prime minister and chancellor to talk to our general secretaries to explore the willingness to put the investment in that needs to happen if we are going to have that commitment that will enable us to call off the strikes. the closer you get to a strike date, the more difficult that becomes. it looks like wednesday's strike will go ahead. the next date that ambulance members will take action is 23rd january. there is the potential for discussions ahead of them. i'm glad the government think that talks were constructive. but they need to make a commitment that there will be a further investment for 22/23 before we can pause the strikes and engage in next. iloathed for 22/23 before we can pause the strikes and engage in next. what is the next step. _ strikes and engage in next. what is the next step, you _ strikes and engage in next. what is the next step, you talked _ strikes and engage in next. what is the next step, you talked of - strikes and engage in next. what is the next step, you talked of the i the next step, you talked of the treasury need to come up with more money, are there more talks scheduled? that
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money, are there more talks scheduled?— money, are there more talks scheduled? �* ., ., ~' scheduled? at the moment, no i think ou scheduled? at the moment, no i think you referred — scheduled? at the moment, no i think you referred to — scheduled? at the moment, no i think you referred to these _ scheduled? at the moment, no i think you referred to these talks _ you referred to these talks happening across the different government sectors, so the likelihood is there will be a comparison of notes that were made from the meetings across the cabinet. but you're right, that the next step for us would be getting a clear commitment from the treasury that they will invest in nhs pay. and that would unlock the ability to have proper negotiations and pause the strikes. but have proper negotiations and pause the strikes. �* ., ., ., the strikes. but that would involve a climb down _ the strikes. but that would involve a climb down by _ the strikes. but that would involve a climb down by the _ the strikes. but that would involve a climb down by the government. | the strikes. but that would involve i a climb down by the government. they have said they're sticking to what the pay review bodies have said, that you know, they're independent, the government can't afford any sort of bigger pay offers in line with inflation for example, because that would just fuel inflation. that is the government argument. t would just fuel inflation. that is the government argument. i hope what
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the government argument. i hope what the government — the government argument. i hope what the government is _ the government argument. i hope what the government is realising _ the government argument. i hope what the government is realising now - the government argument. i hope what the government is realising now is i the government is realising now is that this isn't about people climbing down, this is about identifying what the nhs needs in orderfor identifying what the nhs needs in order for people to receive safe and effective care. from the health service. that is all anybody wants. and a productive nhs is one that has enough staff. the key to keeping staff is to stop people leaving and in order to do that, they need to boost pay and invest in the staff of the nhs, we are willing to work with them to do that. but we do need a firm commitment from the treasury that they will do that, that they will come forward. th that they will do that, that they will come forward.— that they will do that, that they will come forward. in terms of hard numbers, will come forward. in terms of hard numbers. in _ will come forward. in terms of hard numbers, in terms _ will come forward. in terms of hard numbers, in terms of— will come forward. in terms of hard numbers, in terms of money i will come forward. in terms of hard numbers, in terms of money what, | numbers, in terms of money what, would be a good outcome for you? what will be enough to call off the strike action. we what will be enough to call off the strike action.— strike action. we want to see a commitment — strike action. we want to see a commitment that _ strike action. we want to see a commitment that they - strike action. we want to see a commitment that they will i strike action. we want to see a commitment that they will put | strike action. we want to see a l commitment that they will put in additional investment into the
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health pay, they will boost pay ahead of the 1st april and negotiate the kind of package we need. until we have a commitment that they will do that, talking of numbers is going too far. we deliberately, because inflation was move moving quickly, we didn't put a figure on, we said that health workers needed to have their pay cushioned against the rising cost—of—living. so that hasn't changed. what has changed is that more and more people are leaving jobs in the nhs for better paid and less stressful work elsewhere. it is difficult to see how the prime minister's going to deliver on that commitment he made last week. without having enough staff in place and crucial to that is making a commitment on pay. thank ou. i know is making a commitment on pay. thank
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you- i know it — is making a commitment on pay. thank you- i know it is — is making a commitment on pay. thank you. i know it is a _ is making a commitment on pay. thank you. i know it is a busy _ is making a commitment on pay. thank you. i know it is a busy time _ is making a commitment on pay. thank you. i know it is a busy time for - you. i know it is a busy time for you. some break news from the world of football, gareth bale has tweeted this, after careful consideration i announce my immediate retirement from club and international football. ifeel from club and international football. i feel incredibly fortunate to have realised my dream fortunate to have realised my dream for playing the sport i love. it has given me some of the best moments of my life. the highest highs over 17 seasons that will be impossible to replicate, no matter what the next chapter has in store from me. from my first touch at southampton to my last with lafc and everything in between shaped a clear i have pride and gratitude for. playing for and captaining my country 111 times has
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been a dream come true. that is wales of course. to show my gratitude to all those who have played their part is an impossibility. so that is gareth bale retiring from club and international football. a bale retiring from club and internationalfootball. a huge legend for the wales team and took part in the world cup. ultimately a disappointing world cup for wales. but gareth bale, an extraordinary player, is finishing his role in the game. we will have more in our sports bulletin coming up shortly. there's still no comment from buckingham palace, over prince harry's latest allegations concerning the royal family. the duke of sussex has now accused some members of being "complicit" in the suffering endured by his wife, meghan, and accused them of "getting
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in bed with the devil," in their relationships with the popular press. here's our royal correspondent, daniela relph. what an original name! the themes of the interviews were familiar — fury at the british media, frustration with his own family, pain at losing his mother. during the first interview, excerpts from harry's audiobook were played. here, he described seeing photos of the paparazzi, as his mother lay dying at the crash scene in paris. they'd never stopped shooting her while she lay between the seats, unconscious, or semi—conscious. and in theirfrenzy, they'd sometimes accidentally photographed each other. not one of them was checking on her, offering her help, not even comforting her. they were just shooting, shooting, shooting. of his family, the criticism is direct. his brother and wife didn't get on with meghan from the start, he says.
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he accuses buckingham palace of not defending her, describing their silence as "deafening". the sibling rivalry with william is portrayed as intense and damaging. it is now, he says, his life's work to change the media landscape in the uk. and he again talked about his family planting stories with the press to enhance their reputation. after many, many years of lies being told about me and my family, there comes a point where, again, going back to the relationship between certain members of the family and the tabloid press, those certain members have decided to get into bed with the devil. there were, at times, contradictions and pettiness — perhaps as there are with all family fallouts — but he insisted he still loved his father and brother, and wanted things to be different. one might say, look, you haven't so much burnt your bridges as taken a flame—thrower to them
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by being this honest in the book. they might say to you, "look, you've just destroyed any chance of a reconciliation." well, they've shown absolutely no willingness to reconcile up until this point. and i'm not sure how honesty is burning bridges. you know, silence only allows the abuser to abuse. ticking i will sit here and speak... in his interview for cbs in america, he again discusses his own family leaking stories to the media, focusing on his stepmother, camilla queen consort, who he said had used the media to rehabilitate her public image. that made her dangerous because of the connections that she was forging within the british press. and there was open willingness on both sides to trade information. and with a family built on hierarchy, and with her on her way to being queen consort, there was going to be people, or bodies, left in the street because of that. he was also asked about his current relationship with his
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brother and his father. do you speak to william now? do you text? er, currently, no. but i look forward... i look forward to us being able to find peace. harry said he didn't think his father or his brother would read his new book, but he said writing it had been both painful and cathartic. daniela relph, bbc news. let's speak to nick hilton, chief tv critic at the independent. thank you for being with us. that interview on itv got fewer viewers than happy valley, what was your view? t than happy valley, what was your view? ., ., ., , view? i would rather have been watchin: view? i would rather have been watching happy _ view? i would rather have been watching happy valley. - view? i would rather have been watching happy valley. it i view? i would rather have been watching happy valley. it was i view? i would rather have been| watching happy valley. it was a rehash of the allegation since the spanish media got ahold of spare.
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i'm not surprised at all that people would rather watch happy valley. what did you think of the way the interview was conducted, tom bradbury is a friend of prince harry's? t bradbury is a friend of prince har 's? ., ., , ., harry's? i thought it was a stage manared harry's? i thought it was a stage managed combative _ harry's? i thought it was a stage managed combative questions, | harry's? i thought it was a stage | managed combative questions, if harry's? i thought it was a stage i managed combative questions, if they were combative at all. i thought he was too much. large ch chunks of the interview were just extracts from the audio book. it had the feeling of a press release or a sort of publicity stunt for the book and for the audio book which harry has engaged on the book tour to end all book tours. tt engaged on the book tour to end all book tours. . . engaged on the book tour to end all book tours-— book tours. it was interesting to hear him read _ book tours. it was interesting to hear him read excerpts - book tours. it was interesting to hear him read excerpts from i book tours. it was interesting to j hear him read excerpts from the book tours. it was interesting to i
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hear him read excerpts from the book and talks of the altercation with william. ., �* , ., . ., ., william. yeah, he's voiced the audio book for his — william. yeah, he's voiced the audio book for his publishers _ william. yeah, he's voiced the audio book for his publishers and - william. yeah, he's voiced the audio book for his publishers and that i book for his publishers and that will be a source of great interest to hear harry talking about these gossipy stories in his own words. i think it has infused the sp interview with a scripted commentary, maybe you thought tom bradbury was more robust than i do, harry was in control of narrative and the questions and i'm not sure we are getting anything new. this is 'ust one, we are getting anything new. this is just one. one _ we are getting anything new. this is just one. one of— we are getting anything new. this is just one, one of several— we are getting anything new. this is just one, one of several interviews i just one, one of several interviews that he is doing? yes just one, one of several interviews that he is doing?— that he is doing? yes it. the promoted — that he is doing? yes it. the promoted the _ that he is doing? yes it. the promoted the fact _ that he is doing? yes it. the promoted the fact they i that he is doing? yes it. the promoted the fact they have | that he is doing? yes it. the i promoted the fact they have the rights to the anderson cooper to air in the uk. it is a strange
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embalanced thing. on the other side his father and brother are not doing any media rounds and getting their story heard. it is a strange situation where he is fighting this war and the other side are not. did ou feel war and the other side are not. did you feel more sympathetic having heard his case and his arguments for the best part of an hour and a half, talking about how he was traumatised as a 12—year—old boy when he heard from his father his mother had been involved in this crash which killed her, all the difficulties of growing up her, all the difficulties of growing up with that trauma. t’m her, all the difficulties of growing up with that trauma. i'm naturally sympathetic _ up with that trauma. i'm naturally sympathetic to — up with that trauma. i'm naturally sympathetic to harry _ up with that trauma. i'm naturally sympathetic to harry in _ up with that trauma. i'm naturally sympathetic to harry in dealing i up with that trauma. i'm naturally l sympathetic to harry in dealing with the childhood draw —— trauma. i feel he and meghan have been poorly treated by the royals. so i wasn't
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more sympathetic to him. probably less sympathetic, because he is another privileged guy getting a 9pm slot to air these grievances that we have heard again and again and it felt like maybe he doesn't see the hypocrisy in some of what he is saying. but i'm sympathetic to his story that is sad and poignant and what has happened has been a negative for the country. {we what has happened has been a negative for the country. one last ruick negative for the country. one last quick question. — negative for the country. one last quick question, he _ negative for the country. one last quick question, he said _ negative for the country. one last quick question, he said he - negative for the country. one last quick question, he said he wouldl quick question, he said he would like reconciliation, i guess it is hard to think of them having talks that would remain private? yes. hard to think of them having talks that would remain private? yes, it seems like — that would remain private? yes, it seems like everyone's _ that would remain private? yes, it seems like everyone's in - that would remain private? yes, it seems like everyone's in full- seems like everyone's in full briefing mode. i don't know what a powwow would look like between them. there has to be a better way of doing it for the royals and the british publish than this in the public eye. it is a family saga a
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and a lot is no more interesting than the average family. it does bt need to be aired on sunday night on itv. but where there is an audience, it will continue to be so.— it will continue to be so. thank ou. new proposals to support firms with their energy bills will be announced in the commons later today. the current scheme, which caps the unit cost of gas and electricity for all businesses, expires at the end of march. it will be replaced with a scheme that offers a discount on wholesale prices rather than a fixed price. britain and the european union are due to hold further talks today to try to reach a deal on a crucial aspect of post—brexit trading arrangements. the northern ireland protocol keeps northern ireland aligned with some eu trade rules, in order to avoid border checks with the neighbouring republic of ireland. there are hopes london and brussels
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may be edging closer to a deal on relaxing some of the new rules. brazil's president, luiz inacio lula da silva, has ordered federal security forces, to take control of the capital, brasilia, after supporters of former president bolsonaro, stormed the government compound. the building houses the supreme court, congress and the office of the president. they're angry at the result of october's election. many world leaders have condemned the riot, which president lula da silva described as the work of "facists". our south america correspondent, katy watson has the latest. total chaos in brasilia, as thousands of hard line protesters invaded government buildings. authorities responding with tear gas to try and regain control of brazil's capital. this was a scenario many here feared might happen, after a divisive election back in october. these images are clearly reminiscent of what happened in the us
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capitol two years ago. after all, former president jair bolsonaro is nicknamed "the trump of the tropics" by some. but while far—right protesters here have been emboldened by the former us president, this was more than just a copycat insurrection. and it goes beyond bolsonaro, too. what angers protesters most is not so much that bolsonaro lost, but the fact that lula won — a man they see as belonging in prison, not the presidential palace. translation: i'm here in this totally peaceful demonstration because i don't agree with all the thievery of lula, the vice president, the supreme court and the superior electoral court. we want new elections, clean ballot boxes. translation: we don't believe that this election was democratic. there are several indications that there was fraud, that there was corruption. there's been no evidence of fraud, despite what these protesters claim. but no matter. what these people want is military intervention. it's the only way, in their view, that brazil can be saved from what they see as a stolen election.
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lula, though, the elected president, who's been in the job forjust a week, condemned what happened, calling the protesters fanatical fascists. translation: all those people who did this will be found and punished. they will realise that democracy guarantees the right to freedom and free speech, but it also demands that people respect the institutions created to strengthen democracy. by nightfall, people had been cleared from the buildings, and police were clearing the remaining protesters from the streets. at best, authorities were caught out unprepared. at worst, they're suspected of being involved. katy watson, bbc news in sao paulo. let's cross live to sao paulo and to our reporter camilla mota. what is the latest after these extraordinary events? how worried
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are people there that brazilian democracy has been threatened? that has been a democracy has been threatened? tngt has been a worry that has been amongst brazilians' minds for a few years, and fora amongst brazilians' minds for a few years, and for a few months after the election. as for the latest lines, the brazilian president lula an hour ago finished a meeting with the other members of branches of power, the legislative and the judiciary. they released a statement saying they condemned the events and said the institutions are committed to protecting brazilian democracy and those involved yesterday will be legally prosecuted and punished and it won't be a crime without punishment. while lula was having the meeting, some of the jair bolsonaro's supporters that were camping outside the army's headquarters were being taken out by
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the police, they had been camping there for two months now and they don't accept the election result. they had been asked for the armed force to launch a coup. they were talken out by the police and 1,500 people were taken in a0 buses to the police head quarters. so we are waiting to see how events will unfold now. waiting to see how events will unfold now-— joining me now is professor anthony pereira, director of the kimberly green latin american and caribbean centre at florida international university. thanks forjoining us. what is your reading of what happens next after these extraordinary events? tt reading of what happens next after these extraordinary events? it seems that the authorities _ these extraordinary events? it seems that the authorities are _ that the authorities are concentrating on three issues, who took part in the invasions of these
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buildings and the damage that was done inside, who financed and organised it, because that is a different set of people probably come up and then was there collusion by anyone in authority? we know that the governor of the federal district was removed by all of a supreme courtjudge and as the packages said there has been intervention in the security for the federal district so there is some investigation to be done on those three points but on the last one, president lula himself yesterday was very angry about the performance of the military police in the federal district, saying that some of them acted in bad faith and some of them acted in bad faith and some of them were incompetent and there are images of the police more or less standing around while these buildings were being invaded. there will be serious investigations all round and possibly a congressional
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committee of inquiry and the votes are being gathered to form one of those and it is likely that would be one area that will be where the investigation will take place. more broadl , investigation will take place. more broadly. there _ investigation will take place. more broadly, there are _ investigation will take place. more broadly, there are echoes - investigation will take place. more broadly, there are echoes of what happened with the storming of the us capitol in washington a couple of years ago, so do you see real comparisons there?— years ago, so do you see real comparisons there? yes, i think if ou look comparisons there? yes, i think if you look at— comparisons there? yes, i think if you look at me — comparisons there? yes, i think if you look at me video _ comparisons there? yes, i think if you look at me video images i comparisons there? yes, i think if you look at me video images of. you look at me video images of people sitting in congress, it is reminiscent of what happened in the us, but we have got to be mindful of the differences and the timing they have thrown some of us off in the sense that this was not timed to prevent the inauguration of president lula, it happened afterwards, but it clearly seems to be similar in intent and there was a hope by some of these protesters that the military police would get involved and be on their side rather than be against them and so that is why some of the charges will be
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serious again some of the people that have been arrested. notjust acts of vandalism but attempts to overthrow a legitimate government. what about the role of jair bolsonaro, the defeated candidate and the former president? he has distanced himself from this. he has but he will be _ distanced himself from this. he has but he will be investigated - distanced himself from this. he has but he will be investigated and i distanced himself from this. he has but he will be investigated and this| but he will be investigated and this complicates his legal situation because when jair complicates his legal situation because whenjair bolsonaro, when someone says the election was fraudulent and when they refused to concede the election, when they imply that loan is a communist and this was some kind of subversive act and some kind of fraudulent act —— lula is a communist. it emboldens people to call for the removal of the elected president. so we know there is indirect responsibility from bolsonaro but what is not known is whether there is direct involvement and i think that is going to be investigated by the lula
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government and congress. anthony, -rofessor government and congress. anthony, professor from _ government and congress. anthony, professor from florida _ government and congress. anthony, professor from florida university, i professor from florida university, thanks professorfrom florida university, thanks forjoining us. the could have need to give us more time. —— very good of you to give us your time. we have now got the sport. sport now and a full round up from the bbc sport centre. we have a big announcement in the world of sport. yes, the retirement from football of gareth bale. wales captain gareth bale has retired from football. the 33 year old made the announcement this afternoon — and it follows his national team's exit, in the group stage of the world cup last year in qatar. jane dougalljoins me now to react to this news. it isa it is a surprise because at the time
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gareth bale said he would not be retiring from international football after the final game that wales played against england at the 3—0 defeat, he was asked if he intended to continue his international career, despite the elimination of wales from the world cup, and he had played just a5 minutes in that match and then he had a hamstring injury at half—time, but the 33 webb dismissed any suggestion it could be his final appearance in a wales shirt and he said he would keep going for as long as he can and for as long as he is wanted. it is a difficult moment but we have a qualifying campaign for the european championships starting in march and he said he hoped to be part of that, but that will not be the case because he has now announced his retirement, notjust from international but also club football. he has done this to a statement on social media. he said after careful consideration he announces his immediate retirement from club and international
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football. he said the sport has given him some of the best moments of his life and he thanks his family and he says he moves on with anticipation to the next stage of his life, the time of change and transition and an opportunity for a new adventure. but that will have been the last time we will have seen gareth bale in a wales shirt. he has retired from international and club football. , . football. very interesting statement. _ football. very interesting statement. one - football. very interesting statement. one of i football. very interesting statement. one of the i football. very interesting i statement. one of the most football. very interesting _ statement. one of the most talented players to grace the world stage and a multiple winner of the champions league. he has faded away from the limelight in club football in recent years, so why has he called it a day? years, so why has he called it a da ? ~ , ., ., , ., years, so why has he called it a day? widely regarded as one of the createst day? widely regarded as one of the greatest wing _ day? widely regarded as one of the greatest wing of — day? widely regarded as one of the greatest wing of his _ day? widely regarded as one of the greatest wing of his generation i day? widely regarded as one of the greatest wing of his generation and j greatest wing of his generation and one of the greatest welsh players of all time. —— wingers. he was playing for los angeles fc in the us and a course for the welsh national team.
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his career had faded away somewhat and he was not getting picked at real madrid where he had won the champions league on several occasions. he began his careerfor southampton playing at left back but it wasn't until he moved to tottenham in 2007 for about £7 million at the time that he moved up to a more attacking position and that was under harry redknapp. from tottenham, that is when he really grew into the player that we knew him at his peak, because he was sold to real madrid for a record fee, widely believed to have been £85.1 million. he went on to help the club win the champions league scoring in both finals. but latterly he was not getting picked and he was not playing and he was pretty unhappy. that is when he moved to the us to
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play for los angeles fc but he was always passionate about his country and playing for wales and to get to and playing for wales and to get to a world cup after so many years of not qualifying, for him, and he said this himself, it was one of the pinnacles of his soccer career and to participate in the world cup, yes, they did not get out of the group stages, but to be there was a huge triumph for him and for wales. so gareth bale announcing his retirement from international and club football today.— club football today. thanks for joining us- _ bbc sport understands that chelsea boss graham potter 'retains the support of the club's board' despite winning just once in their last eight matches. they're on their worst league run in 13 years — and their latest loss saw their first fa cup 3rd round exit since 1999. they were beaten a—o at manchester city. riyah mahrez opened the scoring with a stunning free—kick in a devasting 15 minute spell, which sanulian alvarez and phil foden effectively end
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the tie before half time. potter admitted after the match that his side is "clearly suffering as a football club" and fans chanted the name of former boss thomas tuchel. it's understood the club wants to adopt a different approach to former owner roman abramovich, who was renowned for his high turnover of managers. masters snooker at alexandra palace is back underway. following a dramatic opening day which saw former winner mark selby and defending champion neil robertson both eliminated from the event. ronnie o'sullivan has avoided the same fate however with a 6—1win against luca brecel.. o'sullivan hit back—to—back centuries to put himself 5—1 in—front. the first coming with a total break of 13a to take the fifth frame. o'sullivan then returned to the table and again produced a three figure visit putting him on the brink of victory. the match ended with brecel a7 points behind and conceding defeat to see o'sullivan through to his 2ath masters quarter—final. that's all the sport for now.
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you can find more on all those stories on the bbc sport website. more now on those talks between union leaders and government departments today, aimed at resolving pay disputes and preventing further strikes. let's speak now to dr mary bousted, joint general secretary of the national education union — she was today at the meeting with the education secretary gillian keegan. quite a lot export —— quitea —— quite a lot of different talks across different sectors but was there any progress?— across different sectors but was there any progress? there was not any concrete _ there any progress? there was not any concrete progress _ there any progress? there was not any concrete progress although i there any progress? there was not any concrete progress although we j any concrete progress although we welcome the talks, the folks we have had directly with the secretary of state around the issues that you have around pay and funding —— the fact we have had directly. that was welcome at the secretary of state attended and that was the first time
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we met in person, so that was very welcome but there was no concrete progress today although there was promise of further talks. that seems to be the pitcher— promise of further talks. that seems to be the pitcher across _ promise of further talks. that seems to be the pitcher across other - to be the pitcher across other sectors, a change of heart, is that how you would see it, by the government, in terms of sitting down with unions and talking? yes. government, in terms of sitting down with unions and talking?— with unions and talking? yes, there has been a — with unions and talking? yes, there has been a change _ with unions and talking? yes, there has been a change of _ with unions and talking? yes, there has been a change of approach, i with unions and talking? yes, there| has been a change of approach, and before they said it would be left to the pay review bodies but now they are prepared to speak now but they are prepared to speak now but they are still very clear that the mechanism is through the pay review body. because that mechanism has not worked for teachers at all. they received nearly a quarter of their real terms income lost in ten years. again, that is what people in other sectors are saying as well. specifically, can you outline what you would like for your members, what kind of settlement would be
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acceptable for you? taste what kind of settlement would be acceptable for you?— acceptable for you? we have said that in addition _ acceptable for you? we have said that in addition to _ acceptable for you? we have said that in addition to the _ acceptable for you? we have said that in addition to the cost i acceptable for you? we have said that in addition to the cost of i that in addition to the cost of living crisis, teachers have seen a huge drop in real terms income and support staff and the —— support staff with an even bigger drop, we want a 12% pay increase and then a gradual correction in teachers pay so it becomes a profession which is attractive for graduates to train to be a teacher and to remain in the profession. because the problem is at the moment, we have a crisis in teacher supply and the government, just over half their targets for teacher training this year, there was a 23% drop from this year to last year and a0% of our teachers leave the profession within ten years and that is leading to a workforce crisis in schools and in the annual report this year it was
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said there is a workforce crisis in schools and a shortage of teachers and support staff and that pupils and support staff and that pupils and children are bearing the brunt of this crisis. a, and children are bearing the brunt of this crisis.— of this crisis. a lot of people watching _ of this crisis. a lot of people watching the _ of this crisis. a lot of people watching the programme i of this crisis. a lot of people | watching the programme will of this crisis. a lot of people i watching the programme will be sympathetic to teachers and what you say about teachers but at the same time the government says, 12%, that is simply unaffordable, that would fuel more inflation, and they would also say there are independent pay review bodies whose job it is to come up with a proposal and that is what has been done and they have endorsed those proposals in full, thatis endorsed those proposals in full, that is the argument of the government.— that is the argument of the government. that is the argument of the rovernment. �*, w ., that is the argument of the rovernment. �*, ., government. let's take each of those in turn, government. let's take each of those in turn. one — government. let's take each of those in turn. one is— government. let's take each of those in turn, one is that _ government. let's take each of those in turn, one is that it _ government. let's take each of those in turn, one is that it is _ in turn, one is that it is unaffordable, but there are ways of affording a proper piece invites the public sector workers and the government could tax on earned income that it gets on shares and dividends in the way that it does on earned income and if it did that enough money would be made available
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for all the pay rises in the public sector. the public sector is running out of workers so the government needs to do something real and concrete in orderfor needs to do something real and concrete in order for public services to still function. the second argument that it is an independent pay review body, it isn't, the government appoints the pay review body members and appoints the chair and through the treasury sets the limits within which the pay bodyis sets the limits within which the pay body is strongly advised to remain and has the power to accept or reject the findings of the pay review body so there is no concrete sense in which this could be an independent body, that is simply not the case, and iforgot independent body, that is simply not the case, and i forgot the third point you made... but those are the main points, and neither of those in my view hold water. the main points, and neither of those in my view hold water.— main points, and neither of those in my view hold water. the bottom line is, ou my view hold water. the bottom line is. you say — my view hold water. the bottom line is. you say at — my view hold water. the bottom line is, you say at least _ my view hold water. the bottom line is, you say at least you _ my view hold water. the bottom line is, you say at least you met - my view hold water. the bottom line is, you say at least you met and i is, you say at least you met and talked, that in itself was progress, so at the same time there is clearly a huge gulf in terms of one we are
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talking about figures and money, but what is the next stage, are there more talks planned?— what is the next stage, are there more talks planned? there are more talks. we more talks planned? there are more talks- we have _ more talks planned? there are more talks. we have been _ more talks planned? there are more talks. we have been invited, - more talks planned? there are more talks. we have been invited, it i more talks planned? there are more talks. we have been invited, it is i talks. we have been invited, it is very welcome, the minister and the officials invited us for further talks and we will attend any talk, anywhere, at any time, we will stop whatever else we are doing, and we are experienced negotiators and we will go in and talk to the government, of course, and we will act in good faith to try and get a resolution to this dispute because no one wants to have to take industrial action and teachers, most of all, they do not want to take industrial action and when they do so, and if we get this ballot, remember that 50% of members have to vote and a0% of all the membership have to vote yes so there is a massive threshold and if we get there it is a sign of desperation and despair by teachers on the state of both the crisis in the profession
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and the state of schools and the funding of education. all of those have reached crisis point.- funding of education. all of those have reached crisis point. would you be prepared — have reached crisis point. would you be prepared to _ have reached crisis point. would you be prepared to compromise - have reached crisis point. would you be prepared to compromise on i have reached crisis point. would you be prepared to compromise on the l be prepared to compromise on the numbers that you have outlined, like 12%, for example? the royal college of nursing have said they would be prepared to take less than the original demand of 19%, for example for that i'm not going to negotiate numbers here but we would go in and if the government was prepared to if the government was prepared tr: make an offer for this year and increase the pay rise which has been awarded this year then of course we would look carefully at that and if we thought that was something that our members might consider we will put it to them so yes, of course, we will negotiate, that is what we do. i have to say, at the moment, there was no indication from ministers that they were prepared to reopen the pay award for this year and that is a real issue.— is a real issue. mary, the 'oint reneral is a real issue. mary, the 'oint
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general secretary i is a real issue. mary, the 'oint general secretary of i is a real issue. mary, the 'oint general secretary of the i is a real issue. mary, the joint general secretary of the unite | general secretary of the unite union, thanks forjoining us. the ministerfor women and equalities kemi badenoch has released a statement indicating the government plans to stop accepting gender recognition certificates from countries which allow self—identification. a that might mean that people who change their legal sex in scotland — where that process has just recently been made easier — wouldn't have their geneder recognition certificates recognised in the rest of the uk. news correspondent lauren moss joins us now from salford with more on this. this is complete kemi badenoch are talking about —— this is all complex but can you explain what kemi badenoch and the government are talking about? this badenoch and the government are talking about?— badenoch and the government are talking about? this is a strong hint that the government _ talking about? this is a strong hint that the government will _ talking about? this is a strong hint
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that the government will stop i that the government will stop accepting gender recognition certificate from countries which have a cell id process in place, process which does not require a medicalisation to change their legal sex —— self id process in place. scotland has not been specifically mentioned in this statement but reading between the lines, you could interpret that that would affect people in scotland if this bill was passed and receives royal assent, that people who change their sex may not have it recognised elsewhere in the uk, and this is quite complex, but last month in scotland there were two days of debates on the gender recognition reform bill and to simplify the process for people who want to apply to change their legal sex on their birth certificate, and in the uk at the moment people need to be 18 and over and they need to have received a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, sense of unease when their identities does not —— when
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their identities does not —— when their identity does not match their sex they were born with. just before christmas in scotland they voted to simplify the process and they voted to lower the age down to 16 to eliminate the need for a medical diagnosis and to reduce the time and this reduced the few produced a lot of controversy with some campaign groups, —— this produced a lot of controversy with some campaign groups. but those in favour said it was not the case, that it was about simplifying the process for transgender people. the minister for women and equalities kemi badenoch published a statement about the current laws in place in the uk so simply to what happened in scotland, at the moment, there are a0 countries that the uk accepts gender
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recognition certificate from an several of those including belgium, denmark, and so on, they have processes in place for self id, so someone who has i —— attained a certificate there would have it recognised in the uk without having to go through the uk process but the list has not been updated since 2011 at some of those countries have introduced the self id process since then and kemi badenoch has published a statement saying that they will look at this list to make sure the list does not compromise the gender recognition act and that there are some countries which would now not be considered rigorous and could damage the integrity of the process under the gender recognition act. reading between the lines commit those countries were removed from the list then you could assume that possibly that scotland would then not be recognised, though certificate is issued there, but we don't know how this is going to play out —— those certificates issued
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there. we don't know what the uk government is going to do about the scottish law that was voted through. thanks forjoining us. a major milestone for the uk's space programme is set to take place later today, with the first ever orbital space launch from british soil. the mission, which will blast off from a new spaceport at newquay in cornwall, will involve a repurposed 7a7 jumbo jet carrying a rocket into the sky before releasing it over the atlantic to send nine satellites into orbit above the earth. our science correspondent rebecca morelle has the story. our reporterjenny kumah is in cornwall ahead of the launch. she says excitement there is building. there is a real buzz of excitement and media from all over the world. the weather is looking quite good,
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that was one of the issues which potentially could delay this but i'm told it is windy but it is looking clear for later. this is a replica of the rocket which will be attached to the wing of the 7a7 and one of the teams involved in this is the goonhilly earth station and this is the chief executive, ianjones, tell us about your involvement. goonhilly has been involved since the beginning of the spaceport story, getting the politicians involved and the technical details, but today we have three antennas involved in the mission. one which will be at the end of the runway to do the pre—flight checks and one which is located in southern ireland which is where the drop zone is, so we can see everything is ok for the drop zone, and then we have one dish at goonhilly which will be supporting one of the missions, the iod amber mission, when it is up in space. this has been years in the planning and we are on the cusp of it happening, so what does this
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actually mean for cornwall? this is a tremendous achievement forthe uk, in fact. the uk is one of the very first launching nations after the us and russia, these big countries, so to be able to do this in europe, the first country in europe to launch rockets into space, this is fantastic. it is already driving industry in the region and just across the runway we have an amazing satellite integration facility so people are able to now build and integrate satellites and launch them directly from uk soil. this replica behind us has been taken around schools and this project itself — one of the aims is to inspire a new generation of space professionals especially amongst young people in cornwall so they don't have to go away to get those well—paid highly skilled jobs? that's right. we have been going for a bit longer at goonhilly and we are finding that. we have got a number of young
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graduates who have been away to university and are now coming back into the county and doing amazing jobs and this is exactly what we plan to do here with the spaceport. it's inspiring a young generation. it's ok being inspired but you need the aspiration and to be able to see that this is happening right on your doorstep so that you know you can partake in it. we are hours away from this iconic moment that will hopefully act as inspiration and aspiration for those younger generations. hundreds of people will be here to watch it on site and tickets were made available for free on the website last week and they went within seconds. now it's time for a look at the weather with darren bett. hello. the wind has been picking up a bit today once again. it is going to be a windy week and that means very changeable, unsettled weather. this cloud is massing in the atlantic and that will bring rain from the west during tomorrow.
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ahead of that, we are in colder air with sunshine and showers earlier on today and into the evening those showers continuing, mainly in north wales, northern england, some of them heavy, wintry on the hills. temperatures at sixes and sevens. a lot of the showers will tend to fade away later in the evening first part of the night. clearer skies but only briefly. the cloud and rain coming in from the atlantic. ahead of that, temperatures in eastern scotland and eastern england down to two or three degrees, much like we had last night. this wet weather is pushing northwards and eastwards. heavier rain likely to be over the hills of wales and north—west england, especially into cumbria. we may see the weather turning briefly drier across wales and the midlands during the afternoon. and then some sunshine and some showers to end the day in northern ireland. windy day tomorrow. a bit windier than today but it is more of a south to south—westerly wind and temperatures will be higher despite the cloud and rain.
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away from northern scotland, double figures on temperatures. that weather front will take the rain eastwards during the evening. clearing away overnight and by the time we get into wednesday, again, we have more of a westerly wind but cooler air by the middle part of the week and that is where we'll see sunshine and showers — a lot of showers in western parts. some a lot of showers in western parts. heavy with hail a those will be blown over england in the afternoon. temperatures seven to 11 degrees on wednesday. that weather continues to come in from the atlantic. hence the unsettled look. very changeable weather. more weather fronts and areas of low pressure arriving from the west during thursday. we have this rain across more southern parts of england and wales. further north, may be some sunshine. these showers will be heavy and potentially thundery but again it is mild.
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this is bbc news, i'm ben brown. the headlines: there's been little progress in talks between unions and ministers aimed at averting more strikes. the government has said meetings with health unions were useful and constructive. but unions have been more critical. it was a very civil meeting. we did actually manage to talk about pay. we didn't get the tangible concessions that we might have hoped or that would enable us to call off the strikes later this week. prince harry accuses some in the royal family of being "complicit" in the suffering of his wife, meghan — as more tv interviews are broadcast. there's widespread condemnation, of the storming of brazil's congress, by supporters of former president, jair bolsonaro.
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in football, welsh captain gareth bale announces his retirement from club and international competition. unions say they have made little progress with the government in talks aimed at bringing an end to long—running strike action in the nhs to an end. ministers are holding meetings with health, teaching and rail unions to try to resolve the walk—outs, over pay and working conditions. strikes in the health service this month, are now likely to go ahead. a government source described a meeting with health unions this morning as useful and constructive. well, ambulance staff in england are scheduled
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to stage two more strikes, one on wednesday and on 23rd january. nurses will also strike next week for two days on the 18th and 19th. and this week in scotland, there'll be two days of industrial action by teachers, driving instructors in england and wales will also man picket lines, along with bus drivers in london. with more, here's our political correspondent, david wallace lockhart. hi, i'm rishi, very nice to see you. there's significant pressure on the health service and the prime minister. this morning he's announced an extra £250 million to get patients who are healthy enough out of hospital beds and into care. but more strikes are looming and notjust in the nhs. there are talks between government ministers and unions representing the health, education and transport sectors today. the prime minister sees this as a positive step. we are really pleased that union leaders accepted ministers' invitations to come in today to have discussions across the board. that's a really positive
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development and on pay we have always said that the government is happy to talk about pay demands and pay issues that are anchored in what's reasonable, what's responsible, what's affordable for the country. but the most important thing is those talks are happening and let's sit down and try and find a way through. but not everyone shares rishi sunak�*s optimism. the government wants to talk about pay for the year ahead. current strikes are in relation to this year's pay offer. for unions there has to be discussion about current rates of pay. this was one health union official on the way into talks. we haven't even seen an agenda for this meeting, that's the position we are in. but the demand is clear, we need discussion about 2023. so how did those talks go? the government have missed yet another opportunity to put this right. we came here in good faith. what they want to talk about is productivity. productivity, when our members are working 18—hour shifts.
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quite how you become more productive with that, i do not know. but other health unions had a more positive interpretation of pay discussions. the secretary of state was very, i very clear that resolving this means not just talking about pay- for the next period, but actually pay for the current pay year. so very clear that resolving the dispute will take - boosting pay ahead of ist april. there is speculation that a one—off payment for health workers could be back on the table. the prime minister wouldn't deny that this morning. in wales, a one—off payment will be offered to nhs staff as part of an attempt to avoid strikes. i hope of course that we will be able to find a resolution to this dispute in social partnership and i look forward to those meetings happening with our trade union colleagues later this week. no matter how productive or not today's talks prove to be, it's hard
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to see how imminent strikes can be averted, in fact there could shortly be more workers on picket lines, withjunior doctors set to be balloted for industrial action in march. ending this wave of strikes will be a challenge for the government. getting the unions around the table was the easy part, getting a deal seems some distance away. david wallace lockhart, bbc news, westminster. there have been a range of talks with the government in health care and other sectors. i have been talking to a representative of the national education union. brute talking to a representative of the national education union. we welcome the talks, national education union. we welcome the talks. they're _ national education union. we welcome the talks, they're the _ national education union. we welcome the talks, they're the first _ national education union. we welcome the talks, they're the first we - national education union. we welcome the talks, they're the first we have i the talks, they're the first we have had directly with the secretary of state around the issues that you have around workload and pay and funding. they're the fist we have had in years. that was welcome and
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the secretary of state attended. that is very welcome. but there was no concrete progress, although there was a promise of further talks. that seems to be — was a promise of further talks. that seems to be the _ was a promise of further talks. that seems to be the picture across other sectors, there has been a change of heart, is that how you would see it from the government, in terms of sitting down and talking with unions? . sitting down and talking with unions? , ., , , ., . ., unions? yes there has been a change of approach- — unions? yes there has been a change of approach. before _ unions? yes there has been a change of approach. before they _ unions? yes there has been a change of approach. before they were - unions? yes there has been a change of approach. before they were saying j of approach. before they were saying it had to be just be left to the pay review bodies. they are prepared to meet now. but they're still clear that the... that any, the mechanism is through the pay review body mechanism. that is a problem, because that mechanism hasn't worked for teachers at all. they have seen a 2a%, nearly a quarter of their real terms income lost in ten years. in wales, the first minister,
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mark drakeford, has said he'll put forward a new pay offer to unions to try to resolve the dispute there. hywel griffith has more. he believes that they have been able to find enough cash to make a one—off offer that would apply only in wales. this has happened before, a couple of years ago nhs staff in wales, as they were in scotland and northern ireland, were given a one—off bonus for their work during the pandemic. it worked out after tax as a maximum of about £500. no amount put on this. we know they have written to the health union and hope to meet them by the end of the week. the royal college of nurses say they welcome some development, but they're keen to have a more consolidated offer, something that would be in their members' pay month after month. but it may be there is after month. but it may be there is a welsh compromise to be made. the first minister mark drakeford saying it is coincidental that there is
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talk of a one—off offer in england. he was asked if you will offer to it health workers, what about everyone else? there are many sectors where industrial action is arranged for poised to happen. he didn't close the door on that and that could bump up the door on that and that could bump up the bill for the government. it will with careful when it enters to negotiations to make sure penny penny it gives nurses enough to avert strikes, but doesn't go over budget. meanwhile today, scotland's first minister, nicola sturgeon, has been speaking about how the combined pressures of covid, flu and strep a, have put unprecedented demand on the nhs in scotland, as our correspondent james shaw explained. she said there were severe and exceptional pressures are. she talked about a thousand patients with flu being admitted to hospital in scotland every week, on top of that covid and strep a. she said
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that covid and strep a. she said that bed occupancy was at 95%. so in other words very little leeway and compared that to the situation before the covid crisis, three years ago when occupancy was at 87%. giving a sense of how difficult the situation is. what is the scottish government going to do? they say they will put more money into nhs 2a, the help line service and may be able to tell people they don't need to go into hospital unnecessarily. also extra money into social care. so if people are in hospital and there is no medical need for them to be there, then a bed can be found for them elsewhere. at no point did nicola sturgeon say this was a crisis, oran nicola sturgeon say this was a crisis, or an emergency, although she did say the scottish government does have emergency powers. and she insisted, despite what the bma said that the nhs in scotland is safe for
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patients and does by and large provide an the excellent standard of care. ., ., , ., care. later on in this hour, we will hear from — care. later on in this hour, we will hear from the _ care. later on in this hour, we will hear from the health _ care. later on in this hour, we will hear from the health secretary i care. later on in this hour, we will i hear from the health secretary steve barclay, with more on the pressures, the winter pressures facing the nhs, talking to mps in the commons. we will bring you that live as soon. in fact he is talking now. let's listen in. ,, fact he is talking now. let's listen in. . ,, fact he is talking now. let's listen in, ,, ., ' ., ., fact he is talking now. let's listen in. staff in the nhs who have worked throu~hout in. staff in the nhs who have worked throughout this _ in. staff in the nhs who have worked throughout this intense _ in. staff in the nhs who have worked throughout this intense period, i throughout this intense period, including those clinicians in is in house who have worked on wards this christmas, including my right honourable friend the minister for mental health. there is no question it has been an extraordinarily difficult time for everyone in health and care. flu has made this winter particularly tough. first,
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because we are facing the worst flu season for ten years. the number of people in hospital with flu this time last year was 50. this year it was over 5,100. next because it came early and came quickly. increasing seven fold between november and december. it also came when gps and primary care and community care were at their most constrained and just as flu affects the population it also affects the workforce too. leading to staff sickness absence that constrains supply at the same time as it also increases demand. and mr speaker these flu pressures come on top of covid, with over 9,000 people in hospital with covid. while scarlet fever has increased. all of this of course comes on top
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of a high historic starting point. we didn't have a quiet sum mer with significant levels of covid. so put this in context for the house, in june 2020 there were 6,000 cases of delayed discharge, patients ready to leave hospital, who were medically fit to do so, but last year it was between 12 and 13,000 a day. so mr speaker the scale, the speed, the timing of ourflu speaker the scale, the speed, the timing of our flu season has combined with the high level of covid admissions and delayed discharge to put strain on front line services. since the nhs began preparing for the winter, there was a recognition that this winter could be the hardest ever. and there was a specific focus on vaccination. there
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were nine million flu shots, we extended eligibility to cover the over 50 and became the first place in the world to have the vaccination that covers more strains. the nhs put in plans for 7,000 additional beds, including virtual wards of the sort one can see at watford general hospital. that innovation is still at an early stage of development. that can be significant in reducing pressure on bed occupancy in hospitals. in watford alone it has saved the equivalent of an extra hospital ward of patients. in addition, our plans for patients put 500 million into delayed discharge. while the funds are starting to make
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a difference, efforts have taken time to ramp up, with local authorities and the local nhs. our a2 intergrated care boards, recognising how bed occupancy and social scare care are connected will link up. #3wu they are —— but they are at an early stage. mr speaker our plans involving integration of hospital care and social car additionalfunding into discharge, additional funding into discharge, increased additionalfunding into discharge, increased capacity, the 700 additional beds and a vaccination programme at scale hav provided ground work for the government response. but we need to do more now in light of the level of flu and
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covid rates and given hospital si occupancy remains too high and emergency departments are too congested. we launched the recovery task force on 7th december and in the coming weeks we will publish our urgent and emergency care recovery plans and nhs england and the department of social care have been working over christmas on these plans, which were reviewed with care and health leaders in downing street on saturday. the recovery falls into three main areas of work. first, steps to support the system now. given the immediate pressures we face this winter. second, steps to support a whole system response this year to give better resilience in the summer and autumn. as we saw with the heat wave this summer a the levels of covid pressure is now sustained throughout the year, not
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just in the autumn and winter. and i will work with these areas on prevention. to maximise the step change potential of proven technology such as virtual ward and the wider adoption of innovation, such as control centres and machine reading software to treat more conditions in the community away from reaching the emergency department in the first place. mr speaker let me set out the first of these, with the measures i can announce to support the nhs and local authorities now. first, we will block book beds in residential homes to enable around 2,500 people to be released from hospitals where they are medically fit to be discharged. when combined with the ramping up of the 500 million discharge funding that will unblock
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to 1,000 to 2,000 delayed discharge cases and capacity on wards will be freed up and enable patients to move to wards that in turn unblocks ambulance delays. it is important however that we learn from the deployment of a similar approach during the pandemic and ensure the right wrap around care is provided for patients released to residential care that i have asked nhs england to focus on. it is the shortest possible stay on theirjourney home and into care and indeed it is in the nhs's interests for those stays to be as short as possible. taken together, this is a £200 million investment over three months. next, our a&e are also under particular strain. from my visits across the country i have seen how they often
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need more space. our second investment is more physical capacity investment is more physical capacity in and around emergency departments. by in and around emergency departments. by using unites this will be available in weeks not months and our 50 million investment will focus on modular support this year and apply funding from next year's allocation to expand this programme ahead of the summer. we are giving trusts discretion on how to use the unites to decompress their emergency departments. that maybe space for short—term stay. orfor departments. that maybe space for short—term stay. or for discharge lounges where previously they have not been able to take patients in a bed. many of those are often simply chairs. and also additional capacity alongside the emergency department at the front end of the hospital. mr
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speaker, the third action we are taking is to free up front line staff from being diverted by cqc inspections ooh the cqc have agreed to reduce inspections. mr speaker those are the actions we are taking that will have an immediate effect. turning to the measures we are taking now that will give greater resilience into this summer and next winter. we now have a2 nhs system control centres in operation across england. staffed 2a hours a day. tracking patients on theirjourneys through hospitals and helping us identify blockages and getting flow flow through the systems. where we have implemented these systems they have implemented these systems they have had a clear impact. we will
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apply this more widely. similar to this we have seen how the use of artificial intelligence can reduce demand and release patients sooner. nhs england have been tasked with clarifying this procurement landscape, taking on board best international practice so a smaller number can take place. we will capitalise on the incredible potential of virtual wards. last week i i saw how patients who had beenin week i i saw how patients who had been in hospital beds were treated at home and patients that were released sooner were happier and always had the safety net of being able to return to hospital should their condition deteriorate. there is scope to expand this to more
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conditions and more hospitals in the months ahead. next, we are opening up months ahead. next, we are opening up more routes for patients to get free treatment in the independent sector. and offering greater patient choice. the it there are also steps we must take in primary care. we are clear there are many more things our farm —— pharmacists can perform that will ease pressure on general practice. community pharmacies will take referrals from emergency care and later we will start offering oral contraceptive services. but i want to do more, as they do in scotland, and we will work with pharmacies to remove barriers to offer more services. the primary
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care recovery plan will set out a range of additional services pharmacists can deliver. not withstanding the pressures, we know the break the cycle of the nhs coming under pressure, the best way to reduce the numbers is to address problems away from the emergency department itself. on friday, we signed a memorandum of understanding with biontech, a global leader in technology to bring vaccine research to this country. this will give as many as 10,000 patients access to trials for personalised cancer therapies. this builds on the partnership we struck with moderna in december to invest in our r & d and build state of the art vaccine manufacturing here. we are reviewing our wider care to the frail elderly
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patients in care homes before they get to aevend. —— taend. —— a&e. such as the work they are doing in tees valley. we have looked at what more support we can offer elderly patients further up stream with an ageing population and many people with more than one condition, it is clear we have to treat patients earlier in the communities and go beyond individual specialities to better reflect patients with multiple conditions and indeed to give the right support to pem —— people where they are, which is often at home. today's announcements provides a further £250 million of funding, which recognises that the spike in flu on top of covid admissions, on top of delayed
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discharge will provide immediate support. and in turn unlock much needed ambulance handovers. this builds on the 500 million announce ford discharge specifically at the autumn statement. which is ramping up. and the additionalfunding autumn statement. which is ramping up. and the additional funding for next year. this work builds on the greater integration between health and social care, through the a2 intergrated care boards, that we will strengthen. and through a step change in capability including operational control centres. this immediate and near term action is in parallel with our wider life science investment such as those deals with biontech and moderna and underscores the commitment to the immediate pressures on the nhs and investing on the science that will shift the
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dial on upstream treatment at scale. this is a comprehensive package of measures and i commend this statement to the house. shadow secretary of _ statement to the house. shadow secretary of state. _ statement to the house. shadow secretary of state. thank - statement to the house. shadow secretary of state. thank you i statement to the house. shadow secretary of state. thank you mrj secretary of state. thank you mr seaker secretary of state. thank you mr speaker and _ secretary of state. thank you mr speaker and happy _ secretary of state. thank you mr speaker and happy new - secretary of state. thank you mr speaker and happy new year i secretary of state. thank you mr speaker and happy new year to l secretary of state. thank you mr i speaker and happy new year to you and the _ speaker and happy new year to you and the house and i thank the health secretary— and the house and i thank the health secretary for advice sight of his statement. patients have been waiting — statement. patients have been waiting for hours s for ambulances and dedicated staff driven to to industrial action, and dedicated staff driven to to industrialaction, because and dedicated staff driven to to industrial action, because the government has failed to listen and to lead~ _ government has failed to listen and to lead~ i_ government has failed to listen and to lead. i notice the secretary of state _ to lead. i notice the secretary of state didn't take a moment to talk about— state didn't take a moment to talk about the — state didn't take a moment to talk about the abysmal failure of his talks— about the abysmal failure of his talks with nurses and paramedic representatives today. let me say to him, representatives today. let me say to him. every _
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representatives today. let me say to him, every cancelled operation, delayed — him, every cancelled operation, delayed appointsment and ambulance disruption could have been avoided if he had _ disruption could have been avoided if he had just agreed to talk to nhs staff about pay. today he could have opened _ staff about pay. today he could have opened serious talks to avert further— opened serious talks to avert further strikes. instead he offered nurses— further strikes. instead he offered nurses and — further strikes. instead he offered nurses and paramedics 45 minutes of lip service _ nurses and paramedics 45 minutes of lip service if— nurses and paramedics 45 minutes of lip service. if patients suffer further _ lip service. if patients suffer further strike action, they will know— further strike action, they will know exactly who to blame. but of course _ know exactly who to blame. but of course the — know exactly who to blame. but of course the prime minister has already— course the prime minister has already shown that he is not interested in solving problems, he resorts _ interested in solving problems, he resorts to— interested in solving problems, he resorts to smoke vaccine of parliamentary game playing by bringing in legislation to sack staff— bringing in legislation to sack staff for— bringing in legislation to sack staff for going on strike. in these nhs sacking the satisfy bill, how marry— nhs sacking the satisfy bill, how many nurses is he planning to sack, how marry— many nurses is he planning to sack, how many paramedics, how manyjunior doctors _ how many paramedics, how manyjunior doctors will _ how many paramedics, how manyjunior doctors will he sack and this government has the audacity to ask
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staff for— government has the audacity to ask staff for minute service levels. after— staff for minute service levels. after arriving at the derriford hospital— after arriving at the derriford hospital in plymouth, an 83—year—old waited _ hospital in plymouth, an 83—year—old waited in _ hospital in plymouth, an 83—year—old waited in the back of an ambulance outside _ waited in the back of an ambulance outside a&e for 26 hours. before being _ outside a&e for 26 hours. before being admitted. this was the 23rd december. when no strikes were taking _ december. when no strikes were taking place. the minister should tisteh~ _ taking place. the minister should tisteh~ his— taking place. the minister should listen. his family found him in urine—soaked sheet and since arriving — urine—soaked sheet and since arriving irr— urine—soaked sheet and since arriving in hospital he has contracted flu. his daughter said of the hospital staff, they're polite, they're _ the hospital staff, they're polite, they're caring and they are trying their— they're caring and they are trying their best — they're caring and they are trying their best. it isjust impossible for them — their best. it isjust impossible for them to do the work they want to do. for them to do the work they want to do so— for them to do the work they want to do so let _ for them to do the work they want to do. so let me say what the health secretary— do. so let me say what the health secretary and prime minister refuse to admit _ secretary and prime minister refuse to admit. the nhs is in crisis. the biggest _ to admit. the nhs is in crisis. the biggest crisis in its history. it is clear— biggest crisis in its history. it is clear to — biggest crisis in its history. it is clear to the _ biggest crisis in its history. it is clear to the staff who have been stoggihg — clear to the staff who have been slogging their guts out, it is clear to everyone who uses the nhs as a patient, _ to everyone who uses the nhs as a
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patient, the only people who can't see it _ patient, the only people who can't see it are — patient, the only people who can't see it are the government. what has been announced today is yet another sticking _ been announced today is yet another sticking plaster when the nhs needs fundamental reform. the front door to the _ fundamental reform. the front door to the nhs— fundamental reform. the front door to the nhs is block, the exit door is blocked — to the nhs is block, the exit door is blocked and there are not enough staff~ _ is blocked and there are not enough staff. where is his plan to fix primary— staff. where is his plan to fix primary care? after 13 years of conservative government they don't have one _ conservative government they don't have one. where is his plan to recruit— have one. where is his plan to recruit the _ have one. where is his plan to recruit the care workers needed to care for— recruit the care workers needed to care for patients once they have been _ care for patients once they have been discharged from hospitals and to pay— been discharged from hospitals and to pay them fairly so we don't lose them _ to pay them fairly so we don't lose them to— to pay them fairly so we don't lose them to other employers. after 13 years— them to other employers. after 13 years of— them to other employers. after 13 years of conservative government they don't — years of conservative government they don't have one. and where is his plan— they don't have one. and where is his plan to — they don't have one. and where is his plan to train the doctors and nurses— his plan to train the doctors and nurses the — his plan to train the doctors and nurses the nhs needs after 13 years of conservative government, they don't _ of conservative government, they don't have — of conservative government, they don't have one. well, we do, and he is welcome — don't have one. well, we do, and he is welcome to — don't have one. well, we do, and he is welcome to nick labour's plans to
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abolish— is welcome to nick labour's plans to abolish the — is welcome to nick labour's plans to abolish the non—dom tax status and train more — abolish the non—dom tax status and train more doctors and 10,000 more nurses— train more doctors and 10,000 more nurses and _ train more doctors and 10,000 more nurses and midwives and 5,000 more health— nurses and midwives and 5,000 more health visitors. a plan so good that the chancellor himself admitted the conservative government should nick it. conservative government should nick it after— conservative government should nick it after 13 _ conservative government should nick it. after 13 years of mismanagement, under— it. after 13 years of mismanagement, under fund _ it. after 13 years of mismanagement, under fund gd it. after 13 years of mismanagement, underfund gd and it. after 13 years of mismanagement, under fund gd and top down reorganisations, all the conservatives have to offer the nhs is a meeting and photo op in downing street _ is a meeting and photo op in downing street the _ is a meeting and photo op in downing street. the collapse of health service — street. the collapse of health service this winter could be seen coming — service this winter could be seen coming from a mile away. health and social— coming from a mile away. health and social care _ coming from a mile away. health and social care leaders warned about is, why are _ social care leaders warned about is, why are the — social care leaders warned about is, why are the measures he set out today— why are the measures he set out today being announced in january. why have — today being announced in january. why have care homes and local authorities be made to wait until this month? it is too little too late — this month? it is too little too late and _ this month? it is too little too late. and the government is so last minute _ late. and the government is so last minute after announcing the plan last night— minute after announcing the plan last night they found an extra £50 million _ last night they found an extra £50 million i— last night they found an extra £50 million. i know most of us are happy
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to find _ million. i know most of us are happy to find a _ million. i know most of us are happy to find a spare five lying around, this prime — to find a spare five lying around, this prime minister seems to have 50 million _ this prime minister seems to have 50 million quid _ this prime minister seems to have 50 million quid down the back of the sofa _ million quid down the back of the sofa. what is going on? no wonder they can't— sofa. what is going on? no wonder they can't get money to the front lin. they can't get money to the front lin this— they can't get money to the front lin this is— they can't get money to the front lin. this is intolerable for patients— lin. this is intolerable for patients who are fit and red which are to _ patients who are fit and red which are to leave hospital, but are stuck there _ are to leave hospital, but are stuck there for— are to leave hospital, but are stuck there for months. they're not bed biockers _ there for months. they're not bed blockers and mr speaker they are not an inconvenience to be dropped at a hotet _ an inconvenience to be dropped at a hotet thev— an inconvenience to be dropped at a hotel. they need rehabilitation at home _ hotel. they need rehabilitation at home and — hotel. they need rehabilitation at home and not a bed in a care faciiitv — home and not a bed in a care facility. they deserve suitable support — facility. they deserve suitable support or they will fall ill again. i tell you what will happen, they will not — i tell you what will happen, they will not get the care and they will come _ will not get the care and they will come back— will not get the care and they will come back to the front door of the ass. _ come back to the front door of the a85. and — come back to the front door of the a&e, and the cycle of broken systems repeating _ a&e, and the cycle of broken systems repeating themselves again and again _
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repeating themselves again and again. where is the choice and control— again. where is the choice and control for— again. where is the choice and control for patients and their families— control for patients and their families who may not want to be discharged to a hotel? i'm afraid, after— discharged to a hotel? i'm afraid, after 13— discharged to a hotel? i'm afraid, after 13 years, thisjust isn't good enough — after 13 years, thisjust isn't good enough. the prime minister may not rely on _ enough. the prime minister may not rely on the _ enough. the prime minister may not rely on the nhs but millions of ordinary— rely on the nhs but millions of ordinary people do. they are sick and tired — ordinary people do. they are sick and tired of— ordinary people do. they are sick and tired of waiting. 13 years of conservative government, 13 years, look conservative government, 13 years, took at — conservative government, 13 years, look at what they have done to the nhs _ look at what they have done to the nhs did _ look at what they have done to the nhs. did he have sector we listen to himself. _ nhs. did he have sector we listen to himself. as — nhs. did he have sector we listen to himself, as he described the situation _ himself, as he described the situation hospitals of people waiting _ situation hospitals of people waiting on shares and sees the trotievs — waiting on shares and sees the trotievs in _ waiting on shares and sees the trolleys in the corridors and people waiting _ trolleys in the corridors and people waiting longer than ever? —— did the health _ waiting longer than ever? —— did the health secretary listen to himself. it is health secretary listen to himself. it is the _ health secretary listen to himself. it is the conservative ministers to blame _ it is the conservative ministers to blame after disaster after disaster. after 13 _ blame after disaster after disaster. after 13 years of government it is clear— after 13 years of government it is clear the — after 13 years of government it is clear the longer they are empowered the longer— clear the longer they are empowered the longer patients will wait, and only labour give the nhs the fresh ideas _ only labour give the nhs the fresh ideas the _ only labour give the nhs the fresh ideas the nhs needs. —— the longer
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they are _ ideas the nhs needs. —— the longer they are in — ideas the nhs needs. —— the longer they are in power. ideas the nhs needs. -- the longer they are in power.— they are in power. even his own shadow colleagues _ they are in power. even his own shadow colleagues do _ they are in power. even his own shadow colleagues do not - they are in power. even his ownj shadow colleagues do not seem they are in power. even his own i shadow colleagues do not seem to agree with his plan. his own deputy seemed to distance herself from his plans to use the private sector and his own shadow chancellor seems to have distanced themselves from his plans for gps and maybe he can share with the house how much he is unfounded plans for gps will cost. —— his unfunded. the chief of the nuffield trust has said it will cost a fortune on an out of date view so the point is, he has no plans which is deputy and his colleagues support and he has not set out how he will find those plans in a way that would not divert resource from other parts of the nhs. he talked about pressure and yet there was no mention of the fact that the nhs in wales and scotland and the health system across the globe are facing
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significant pressure as a result of the combination of covid spikes and clue spikes especially in recent weeks. this is not limited to england and the nhs, this is a pressure that has been reflected internationally, including for the nhs in wales. he refers to talks with the trade unions and it is right that we are engaging with the trade unions and i was pleased to meet the staff council of the nhs today and the chair of the nhs staff council said the discussions had made progress. notwithstanding one trade union leader who was giving an interview outside the department who was commenting on what was said in the talks, but we want to work constructively with the trade unions on that. he says we are only announcing measures today but again, he seems to have written those
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comets before he got a copy of the speech. the integrated care boards took operational effect injuly last year. we are putting control centres in place and we are integrating health and social care. we announced in the autumn statement, 500 million and a further 600 million next year, recognising the significant pressure thatis recognising the significant pressure that is ramping up and nhs england set out their plans in the summer including the 100 day discharge which set out the greater use of virtual wards and the new technology which is being rolled out at scale and also announced the extra 7000 community beds and indeed we also set out in the plan for patients the additional measures but what is clear when we have a sevenfold increase in flu in a month, 50 cases
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admitted last year compared to 5100 this year, you have a combination of a surge in supply along with a existing position and the surge in demand corresponding with a constraint of supply because staff absences also increase because of the float, it is during the christmas period when community services are more constrained —— because of the flu. this has caused significant pressure on emergency departments and that is why i have had engagement with health leaders and the key messages they gave to me was the importance of getting flow into hospital which is constrained by the high bed occupancy and that is why getting people out of hospital is so central to relieving pressure and secondly, that within the emergency department specifically, we need to decompress those services so with same day emergency treatment, having
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short—stay post emergency department, that was a better way to decompress those emergency departments through the triaging and bringing other clinical specialties closer to the front door. we have listened to the nhs front line and those were the key requests that were made to me alongside other issues like inspections but we also need alongside those immediate pressures, we need to recognise that we had precious last summer during the heatwave and in the autumn and thatis the heatwave and in the autumn and that is why we have announced a wider set of measures today. so we have listened and acted and taken measures to deal with the immediate pressure and we have also set out how we will build further capacity which will go through into the autumn and alongside that we have signed deals with the likes of moderna and we are bringing forward the life science as well which has a better impact on prices on the front
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line. , ., , ., ., line. there is no question that in some places _ line. there is no question that in some places the _ line. there is no question that in some places the patient - line. there is no question that in some places the patient flow - line. there is no question that in some places the patient flow in l some places the patient flow in acute _ some places the patient flow in acute hospitals _ some places the patient flow in acute hospitals is _ some places the patient flow in acute hospitals is the _ some places the patient flow in acute hospitals is the key- some places the patient flow in acute hospitals is the key issuej some places the patient flow in . acute hospitals is the key issue in the system — acute hospitals is the key issue in the system and _ acute hospitals is the key issue in the system and the _ acute hospitals is the key issue in the system and the secretary - acute hospitals is the key issue in the system and the secretary of i the system and the secretary of state _ the system and the secretary of state is — the system and the secretary of state is right— the system and the secretary of state is right to _ the system and the secretary of state is right to say _ the system and the secretary of state is right to say that - the system and the secretary of| state is right to say that demand the system and the secretary of. state is right to say that demand is outstripping — state is right to say that demand is outstripping supply— state is right to say that demand is outstripping supply in _ state is right to say that demand is outstripping supply in part- state is right to say that demand is outstripping supply in part because of the _ outstripping supply in part because of the very— outstripping supply in part because of the very high _ outstripping supply in part because of the very high flu _ outstripping supply in part because of the very high flu numbers - outstripping supply in part because of the very high flu numbers so - outstripping supply in part becausej of the very high flu numbers so the injection— of the very high flu numbers so the injection of— of the very high flu numbers so the injection of funding _ of the very high flu numbers so the injection of funding is _ of the very high flu numbers so the injection of funding is very- of the very high flu numbers so the | injection of funding is very welcome as is the _ injection of funding is very welcome as is the additional— injection of funding is very welcome as is the additional surge _ injection of funding is very welcome as is the additional surge in- as is the additional surge in capacity— as is the additional surge in capacity that _ as is the additional surge in capacity that he _ as is the additional surge in capacity that he spoke - as is the additional surge inl capacity that he spoke about as is the additional surge in- capacity that he spoke about and his mention— capacity that he spoke about and his mention of— capacity that he spoke about and his mention of prevention _ capacity that he spoke about and his mention of prevention is— capacity that he spoke about and his mention of prevention is especially. mention of prevention is especially weicome _ mention of prevention is especially welcome by— mention of prevention is especially welcome by me _ mention of prevention is especially welcome by me so— mention of prevention is especially welcome by me so let's _ mention of prevention is especially welcome by me so let's do - mention of prevention is especially welcome by me so let's do so - mention of prevention is especiallyl welcome by me so let's do so much more _ welcome by me so let's do so much more on _ welcome by me so let's do so much more on this — welcome by me so let's do so much more on this. another— welcome by me so let's do so much more on this. another £250 - welcome by me so let's do so much more on this. another £250 million| more on this. another £250 million is a lot— more on this. another £250 million is a lot of— more on this. another £250 million is a lot of the — more on this. another £250 million is a lot of the public— more on this. another £250 million is a lot of the public money- more on this. another £250 million is a lot of the public money so - more on this. another £250 millionj is a lot of the public money so what reai-time _ is a lot of the public money so what real—time oversight— is a lot of the public money so what real—time oversight does _ is a lot of the public money so what real—time oversight does he - is a lot of the public money so what real—time oversight does he have . is a lot of the public money so what| real—time oversight does he have to make _ real—time oversight does he have to make sure _ real—time oversight does he have to make sure that— real—time oversight does he have to make sure that nhs— real—time oversight does he have to make sure that nhs england - real—time oversight does he have to make sure that nhs england spendl real—time oversight does he have to. make sure that nhs england spend it wisely— make sure that nhs england spend it wisely and _ make sure that nhs england spend it wisely and can — make sure that nhs england spend it wisely and can i — make sure that nhs england spend it wisely and can i make _ make sure that nhs england spend it wisely and can i make a _ make sure that nhs england spend it wisely and can i make a plea - make sure that nhs england spend it wisely and can i make a plea that - wisely and can i make a plea that domiciiiarv— wisely and can i make a plea that domiciliary care _ wisely and can i make a plea that domiciliary care is _ wisely and can i make a plea that domiciliary care is not _ wisely and can i make a plea that| domiciliary care is not overlooked because _ domiciliary care is not overlooked because the — domiciliary care is not overlooked because the lack— domiciliary care is not overlooked because the lack of— domiciliary care is not overlooked because the lack of care - domiciliary care is not overlooked because the lack of care in - domiciliary care is not overlooked because the lack of care in the i because the lack of care in the homes — because the lack of care in the homes of— because the lack of care in the homes of people _ because the lack of care in the homes of people is _ because the lack of care in the homes of people is every- because the lack of care in the homes of people is every bit . because the lack of care in the i homes of people is every bit the enemy— homes of people is every bit the enemy of— homes of people is every bit the enemy of patient _ homes of people is every bit the enemy of patient flow— homes of people is every bit the enemy of patient flow is - homes of people is every bit the enemy of patient flow is a - homes of people is every bit the enemy of patient flow is a lack. homes of people is every bit thei enemy of patient flow is a lack of care home — enemy of patient flow is a lack of care home places— enemy of patient flow is a lack of care home places which - enemy of patient flow is a lack of care home places which is- enemy of patient flow is a lack of. care home places which is identified todav? _ care home places which is identified today? he _ care home places which is identified toda ? ., , , care home places which is identified toda ? . , , ., , today? he raises an extremely important _ today? he raises an extremely important issue _ today? he raises an extremely important issue in _ today? he raises an extremely important issue in terms - today? he raises an extremely important issue in terms of. today? he raises an extremely - important issue in terms of getting flow into the system not least
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because it is delays and ambulance handovers that leads to the highest risk in a system issue which is that of a patient who is not seen where treatment is delayed and that is why flow through discharge is so important because whilst it often concerns the back door of the hospital, it is often the pressure at the front door which is most acute, and that was recognised by the government in the autumn statement and that is why there was additional funding with 500 million for delayed discharge and what we are recognising is that because of the flu there's an immediacy in terms of the pressure on a&e that we need to address. his point speaks to one of the key lessons from the covid period which is is is it is not simply about releasing patients from hospital who are fit to discharge but also about the wraparound services provided for patients so that they then do not get stuck for longer and they are still able to go home and get those
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domiciliary care packages and that is something that nhs england is especially focused on so they have the wraparound services alongside the wraparound services alongside the discharge. the wraparound services alongside the discharge-— the wraparound services alongside the discharge. happy new year. we have seen this _ the discharge. happy new year. we have seen this year _ the discharge. happy new year. we have seen this year in _ the discharge. happy new year. we have seen this year in year - the discharge. happy new year. we have seen this year in year out, - have seen this year in year out, money— have seen this year in year out, money thrown into the nhs at a winter— money thrown into the nhs at a winter crisis point, too late to spend — winter crisis point, too late to spend it — winter crisis point, too late to spend it sensibly and yet this government has been in power for nearly— government has been in power for nearly 13 _ government has been in power for nearly 13 years, and listening to the secretary of state's speech i cannot _ the secretary of state's speech i cannot see what is new and he talked about _ cannot see what is new and he talked about discharge before and picking up about discharge before and picking up the _ about discharge before and picking up the point from the select committee, without proper funding for domiciliary care and funding care _ for domiciliary care and funding care homes, this will never work. it care homes, this will never work. [it will in care homes, this will never work. will in terms care homes, this will never work. it will in terms of what is different, the block booking which this will enable which will therefore give the residential care at the ability to put in place the workforce and release the delayed discharge to 30,000 which is in hospital who are
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medically fit to discharge and the exhilaration of releasing those patients will enable the front door where the spike in flu is so acute —— acceleration. this response to what health leaders themselves have said is the key intervention we can take but of course it is not in isolation and her point is that this comes on top of the 500 million that was announced during the autumn statement but this is additional to give further capacity, recognising the significant pressure of the system is under.— the significant pressure of the s stem is under. ,, , . ., system is under. studio: we heard from the health _ system is under. studio: we heard from the health secretary, - system is under. studio: we heard from the health secretary, steve i from the health secretary, steve barclay, talking about the winter pressures on the health service, we are going to get some reaction right now. we have professor martin green. one of the key proposals from the government is to spend millions of
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pounds by extra beds in care homes in other settings discharge more hospital patients and then reduce the strain on the national health service for the does that make sense? it service for the does that make sense? ., ~ , service for the does that make sense? . ~ , , , ., service for the does that make sense? . ~' , , , ., ., service for the does that make sense? n , , , ., ., , sense? it makes sense to move people out of h05pital — sense? it makes sense to move people out of hospital when _ sense? it makes sense to move people out of hospital when they _ sense? it makes sense to move people out of hospital when they have - out of hospital when they have finished their treatment but i have to say i am confused as to what is new in the announcement. we have had the displayed discharge fund and £500 million which is supposed to be taking people out of hospital and putting them into community care settings, and there is a long distance between a political announcement and what actually happens on the ground and interestingly, this afternoon, i spoke to one of my members in nottingham who has 40 beds they have been trying to offer to the nhs over the last few months and nobody has got back to them. one of the challenges in all of this is to start making it real rather than rhetorical and frankly, i'm so old
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that i have been through so many of these statements and so many times when we have been told it is a new start and that the system is going to be more integrated and betterfor citizens but it never seems to materialise.— citizens but it never seems to materialise. . , , materialise. what is the root cause ofthe materialise. what is the root cause of the failure? _ materialise. what is the root cause of the failure? we _ materialise. what is the root cause of the failure? we hear _ materialise. what is the root cause of the failure? we hear this - materialise. what is the root cause of the failure? we hear this again i of the failure? we hear this again and again. failures in coordination between the nhs and social care. why has this not been sorted out? the main reason _ has this not been sorted out? the main reason it _ has this not been sorted out? inez main reason it is has this not been sorted out? “11's: main reason it is all has this not been sorted out? 119: main reason it is all left has this not been sorted out? 119 main reason it is all left to localism so what you have are distinct systems, one is very underfunded compared to the other, we have a situation where people are transferred from hospital and then there's an argument about who pays for what, and we have social care services in this country that are on their knees because of severe underfunding over many years and listening to the political debate this afternoon, we should remind ourselves there is no political party with clean hands in this. tony blair promised he was going to
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reform social care and we are seven prime ministers down from that and we have all had them saying they are going to do something but none of them have and i'm at a loss to know how we get from the political statement to the reality on the ground. but certainly i think one of the major problems is instead of leaving this to localism, the nhs needs to have a national tariff and a specification and they need to have some centralised approach to making sure they know where the capacity is and they can easily access it when hospitals are very constrained because of people not being able to be discharged. the examle being able to be discharged. the example you gave where there are 40 spare beds on offer but somehow they are not being used, it points to the fact this is notjust about money, this is about coordination and knowing where the beds are. it is knowing where the beds are. it is about knowing where the beds are. it 3 about coordination and culture and one of the problems is, health and social care are in silos and despite
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the discussion about rhetoric and integration, this is not happening on the ground, and the nhs is very unable to see social care in any other context than what it delivers for the nhs and we have seen time and again different restructuring so i can remember, we had health and well—being boards and ccg is now we are told ics is going to be the route map to integrated system. none of them work and the reason they do not work is because the culture is so ingrained and health and social care do not understand how to work together and there seems to be no mechanism for politicians to grab hold of it and to look at what required outcomes there are and to monitor against them, so an interesting point that was made in this debate, how are we going to know this policy is going to work when others have failed? i want to see some of the success measures and the criteria that the secretary of state is going to set out and i also
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think it's a bad start point when the prime minister has an initiative which is about this discharge process saying that social care is at the centre of it, and he had an approach last week on saturday and he did not have social care representative bodies at it so yet again the nhs talked to the nhs and then they are surprised that the things they say are going to happen never actually do happen. goad things they say are going to happen never actually do happen.— never actually do happen. good to talk through _ never actually do happen. good to talk through these _ never actually do happen. good to talk through these issues - never actually do happen. good to talk through these issues with - never actually do happen. good to | talk through these issues with you. that is professor green, chair at care england.
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a search operation is under way for two british nationals who have been reported missing in the donetsk region of eastern ukraine. they were reported missing and the search operation is now under way. there's still no comment from buckingham palace, over prince harry's latest allegations concerning the royal family. the duke of sussex has now accused some members of being "complicit" in the suffering endured by his wife, meghan, and accused them of "getting in bed with the devil," in their relationships with the popular press. here's our royal correspondent, daniela relph. harry, the interview. what an original name! the themes of the interviews were familiar — fury
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at the british media, frustration with his own family, pain at losing his mother. during the first interview, excerpts from harry's audiobook were played. here, he described seeing photos of the paparazzi, as his mother lay dying at the crash scene in paris. they'd never stopped shooting her while she lay between the seats, unconscious, or semi—conscious. and in their frenzy, they'd sometimes accidentally photographed each other. not one of them was checking on her, offering her help, not even comforting her. they were just shooting, shooting, shooting. of his family, the criticism is direct. his brother and wife didn't get on with meghan from the start, he says. he accuses buckingham palace of not defending her, describing their silence as "deafening". the sibling rivalry with william is portrayed as intense and damaging. it is now, he says, his life's work to change the media landscape in the uk.
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and he again talked about his family planting stories with the press to enhance their reputation. after many, many years of lies being told about me and my family, there comes a point where, again, going back to the relationship between certain members of the family and the tabloid press, those certain members have decided to get into bed with the devil. there were, at times, contradictions and pettiness — perhaps as there are with all family fallouts — but he insisted he still loved his father and brother, and wanted things to be different. one might say, look, you haven't so much burnt your bridges as taken a flame—thrower to them by being this honest in the book. they might say to you, "look, you've just destroyed any chance of a reconciliation." well, they've shown absolutely no willingness to reconcile up until this point. and i'm not sure how honesty is burning bridges. you know, silence only allows the abuser to abuse. ticking i will sit here and speak...
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in his interview for cbs in america, he again discusses his own family leaking stories to the media, focusing on his stepmother, camilla queen consort, who he said had used the media to rehabilitate her public image. that made her dangerous because of the connections that she was forging within the british press. and there was open willingness on both sides to trade information. and with a family built on hierarchy, and with her on her way to being queen consort, there was going to be people, or bodies, left in the street because of that. he was also asked about his current relationship with his brother and his father. do you speak to william now? do you text? er, currently, no. but i look forward... i look forward to us being able to find peace. harry said he didn't think his father or his brother would read his new book,
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but he said writing it had been both painful and cathartic. daniela relph, bbc news. gareth bale is retiring from a club and internationalfootball, and and international football, and because and internationalfootball, and because he was the world cup in qatar. joining me now is ryan march. he's a wales fan and the creator of alternative wales — a welsh football culture magazine and podcast. are you surprised by the announcement?- are you surprised by the announcement? , :, :, :, announcement? yes and no, we all knew the day _ announcement? yes and no, we all knew the day was _ announcement? yes and no, we all knew the day was coming, - announcement? yes and no, we all knew the day was coming, and - announcement? yes and no, we all knew the day was coming, and the | knew the day was coming, and the noises out of gareth bale was that he was going to go again after the world cup and we would have a couple more years of him as we try to qualify for the next uas but we knew he was struggling —— the next euros.
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his body is not what it used to be and it feels like we knew it was coming but it really hit me when i read it earlier, one of those things you never think you are going to read. :, : : :, :,, , :, read. how crucial has he been to the success of wales _ read. how crucial has he been to the success of wales in _ read. how crucial has he been to the success of wales in the _ read. how crucial has he been to the success of wales in the last - read. how crucial has he been to the success of wales in the last few - success of wales in the last few years? there was disappointment in qatar but it was a huge triumph to actually get to the world cup finals. :, , , , :, :, finals. he has been pivotal. the collective. _ finals. he has been pivotal. the collective, as _ finals. he has been pivotal. the collective, as a _ finals. he has been pivotal. the collective, as a collective - finals. he has been pivotal. the collective, as a collective wales are special but he epitomises it and he is a special football and we will never see anyone like him again and we have never seen anyone like him before. he was the man that dragged us to these tournaments, especially the last world cup. he sacrificed his club career over the last four years to focus on being fit for wales and getting us to the world cup, for himself, obviously, because he deserved to play at the highest
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level, but also for us as a country. i can't thank him enough, the memories he has given me and other welsh fans, we will never see the likes of it again.— likes of it again. you say he sacrificed _ likes of it again. you say he sacrificed his _ likes of it again. you say he sacrificed his club _ likes of it again. you say he sacrificed his club career, . likes of it again. you say he | sacrificed his club career, do likes of it again. you say he - sacrificed his club career, do you remember when he said his priorities were wales, golf and real madrid, that was pretty disrespectful to the club that were paying him enormous wages? he club that were paying him enormous wares? :, :, , wages? he did not say that himself, he held a flag _ wages? he did not say that himself, he held a flag insinuating _ wages? he did not say that himself, he held a flag insinuating it - wages? he did not say that himself, he held a flag insinuating it but - he held a flag insinuating it but the disrespect came from the spanish press, they treated him terribly, he had done so well for real madrid, scoring goals in the finals of the champions league and he never got the respect he deserved but i think you got that with wales and he felt safe within welsh football and that is what kept his club career going and kept himself fit to play for
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wales and that was his decision and he earned the right to do it and i don't think he had a bad careerfor real madrid, he had probably the best career of any player from these islands abroad. a fine player for club and country. he is the best we will ever see in wales.— club and country. he is the best we will ever see in wales. ryan, thanks for 'oinin: will ever see in wales. ryan, thanks forjoining us- _ will ever see in wales. ryan, thanks forjoining us- a _ will ever see in wales. ryan, thanks forjoining us. a welsh _ will ever see in wales. ryan, thanks forjoining us. a welsh fan _ will ever see in wales. ryan, thanks forjoining us. a welsh fan there. i forjoining us. a welsh fan there. giving his thoughts on gareth bale ending his career as a professional footballer. a major milestone for the uk's space programme is set to take place later today, with the first ever orbital space launch from british soil. the mission, which will blast off from a new spaceport at newquay in cornwall, will involve a repurposed 747 jumbo jet carrying a rocket into the sky before releasing it over the atlantic to send nine satellites
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into orbit above the earth. our science correspondent rebecca morelle has the story. the launch is taking place at newquay airport, home to spaceport cornwall, but it's a lift—off with a difference. the rocket is attached to this jumbojet, and it will be released mid—flight, firing its engines to send satellites into orbit — the first time this has been done from british soil. the rocket and aircraft belong to virgin orbit, and we've been given a rare chance to look inside. on the lower deck, all the seats have been stripped out to save weight, because a rocket full of fuel is a heavy load. but at the front, a small modification will have a big effect. here in the cockpit are all the usual controls that you need to fly a plane, but there is one big difference, and it's this.
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this red square is a release button, and about an hour into the flight, the pilot will press this to drop the rocket. until now, these launches have been carried out from california. copy, drop ready. release, release, release. the drop happens at 35,000 feet, and it's a perilous manoeuvre. everything has to work perfectly to get the rocket on its way. for the uk flight, raf pilot matthew stannard — or stanny, for short — will be at the controls. we enter what's called a terminal count procedure, and that's for when things, for us, certainly get more interesting, as we go through that sequence of pressurising the tank, chilling the lines. at the end of that 15—minute terminal count, the rocket says, "i'm ready to go now". and it's myjob to make sure the aeroplane is at the right bit in the sky, in the right position, so when the rocket says "i'm ready to go", away she goes. release, release, release. on the ground, at mission control, the launch team will be monitoring every minute of the flight. it will be a tense time. i wouldn't say it's a nervous atmosphere. i think we all run off of adrenaline, for sure.
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but we're all pretty calm because we've rehearsed, we're confident in our systems since we've done all our checkouts, and we're ready to go, basically. this is one of nine satellites being painstakingly prepared for launch. almost all of them have been built in the uk. until now, though, they would have been shipped abroad to be sent into orbit, but this mission is about to change that. there's a lot riding on this rocket. if the launch goes to plan, it will be a major milestone for the uk — the first step in becoming a global player in space. rebecca morelle, bbc news, newquay. we are back with the top stories at five with clive. now it's time for a look at the weather with darren bett. for that flight this evening, the thing they are concerned about is
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thunderstorms, a towering humourless numbers, and i don't think we will have that but we will have a lot of other cloud and they will be flying into that, and into some rain, as well. a mixture of sunshine and showers today and this was the picture earlier. that was in shropshire where we saw a few showers, but the bulk of the showers have been in northern ireland and across scotland, some of them heavy with a bit of snow over the hills and you can see how some heavier showers are driving into northern england and maybe heading into lincolnshire and maybe the north midlands before fading away at the expense of the cloud coming in from the atlantic which will bring rain as well but ahead of that with some clearer skies across eastern scotland and england, temperatures as low as 2—3 in the night and that will continue north and east through the day, very briefly giving some snow in the grampians but the rain will be heavy over the hills of wales and north—west england which could lead to some flooding although
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some respite for a while in wales and southern england before the second band of rain it sweeps over the irish sea followed by sunshine and showers and it will be a windy day tomorrow, windier than today, but are south to south westerly wind, bringing high temperatures, very mild day tomorrow, temperatures could be as high as 14 in south wales, and that warm air is in the sector between these weather fronts and the second one is bringing the rain over the irish sea and that will sweep east during tomorrow evening following on from that we have a western wind and some slightly cooler air and we are almost back to square one because it would be a mixture of sunshine and blustery showers on wednesday with a lot of showers from the word go in western areas as the wind picks up, pushing the heavier showers into eastern england and over the hills of scotland maybe some snow, temperatures will be a bit lower on wednesday but still 7—11 so not too bad. the weather continues to pile
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in from the atlantic and we look over to the west into thursday morning, more weatherfronts over to the west into thursday morning, more weather fronts coming our way, the one in the south will bring rain in southern england and wales and further north some sunshine for a while but we have bands of heavy and thundery showers sweeping across northern ireland into scotland, late into northern england and also into wales, so more wet and windy weather around on thursday but again it will be mild.
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this is bbc news. i'm clive myrie. the top stories: there's been little progress in talks to end public sector strike action. the government says meetings with health unions were useful. the other side warns more work needs to be done. it was a very civil meeting. we did actually manage to talk about pay. we didn't get the tangible concessions that we might have hoped or that would enable us to call off the strikes later this week. the health secretary announces that the nhs is to buy up beds in care homes, to free space in hospitals in england. the body that represents the adult social care sector gave this response. and, frankly, i am so old that i have been through so many of these statements, so many times when we've been told its a new start and that the whole system
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