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a political clip for instagram. and a senior un official visiting kabul says progress is being made to ensure that afghan women continue work with aid agencies, despite the taliban ban. you are watching bbc news. now newscast. hello, it is chris, back in the studio in westminster and no longer in edinburgh. here in the studio. we have got this week, we've had to guess in recent weeks in the first edition of newscast in this, we have three. forthe edition of newscast in this, we have three. for the price of one. we have brigid phillipson, labour, shuttle education, we have grand, the business secretary and we have the

deputy leader in the house of competence. and we'll talk about that in the second and an issue that has dominated our lives down the last couple of days which is the coming together of two very naughty and complex and controversial issues and complex and controversial issues and what is the uk constitution and the other one is this planned lot of the other one is this planned lot of the scottish government has been working on for a long time around trans rights. in summary, what is it? . ., ., ,, trans rights. in summary, what is it? ., ., it? what happened was, last month, the scottish — it? what happened was, last month, the scottish parliament _ it? what happened was, last month, the scottish parliament by _ it? what happened was, last month, the scottish parliament by a - it? what happened was, last month, the scottish parliament by a big - the scottish parliament by a big majority pass this legislation in this legislation, this gender bill seeks to remove administrative and medical barriers to changing the sex on your birth certificate. that is basically what it does. it is past the scottish parliament and it is waiting to be given the rubber stamp by the king. waiting to be given the rubber stamp b the kin. �* . u,’ by the king. but crucially, while the issue of— by the king. but crucially, while the issue of trans _ by the king. but crucially, while the issue of trans rights - by the king. but crucially, while the issue of trans rights is - the issue of trans rights is

devolved to the scottish parliament, theissue devolved to the scottish parliament, the issue of the qualities is something that is decided westminster and scotland and wales and the uk governments is hanging on and the uk governments is hanging on a minute, we feel those to clash and to set up the evolution of this century ago that allows us, the city to pull this trigger and stop the proposed law, becoming law and that is what we have done and that is what is causing a heck of a row. lets talk with the deputy leader of the scottish national party in the house of commons.— the scottish national party in the house of commons. ~ house of commons. welcome, welcome, riuht. so, house of commons. welcome, welcome, right. so. to _ house of commons. welcome, welcome, right. so, to business. _ house of commons. welcome, welcome, right. so, to business. where _ house of commons. welcome, welcome, right. so, to business. where to - right. so, to business. where to start. it is been busy. but the main thing is westminster has vetoed the scottish parliament using this for the first time ever, what you make of it? i the first time ever, what you make of it? ~ , the first time ever, what you make of it? ~' , , of it? i think it is disgraceful. especially — of it? i think it is disgraceful.

especially considering - of it? i think it is disgraceful. especially considering that i of it? i think it is disgraceful. especially considering that in j of it? i think it is disgraceful. - especially considering that in the years— especially considering that in the years we — especially considering that in the years i've been in parliament, or we -et years i've been in parliament, or we get is _ years i've been in parliament, or we get is you _ years i've been in parliament, or we get is you have the most powerful devolved — get is you have the most powerful devolved parliament in the world. do we? if_ devolved parliament in the world. do we? if will_ devolved parliament in the world. do we? if will be passed on that which is absolutely within the devolved competence of the scottish parliament in westminster and the tory government which again, scotland — tory government which again, scotland has not voted for, canjust jusco_ scotland has not voted for, canjust jusco know — scotland has not voted for, canjust jusco know and i'm not passing that lost. jusco know and i'm not passing that lost. ~ , ., , lost. within this, that is the essence of _ lost. within this, that is the essence of the _ lost. within this, that is the essence of the row, - lost. within this, that is the essence of the row, isn't i lost. within this, that is the essence of the row, isn't it, j essence of the row, isn't it, whether or not it is given the suggestion that the uk government sees it, consequences of the proposed law elsewhere in great britain. . , ., proposed law elsewhere in great britain. ., ., , ., britain. have you read the statement of reasons? — britain. have you read the statement of reasons? i — britain. have you read the statement of reasons? i have. _ britain. have you read the statement of reasons? i have. right. _ britain. have you read the statement of reasons? i have. right. you - of reasons? i have. right. you see an hint of reasons? i have. right. you see anything genuine _ of reasons? i have. right. you see anything genuine in _ of reasons? i have. right. you see anything genuine in that? - of reasons? i have. right. you see anything genuine in that? that - of reasons? i have. right. you see anything genuine in that? that of. anything genuine in that? that of the most — anything genuine in that? that of the most flimsy piece of argument that i've _ the most flimsy piece of argument that i've ever seen. we'll explain, this was— that i've ever seen. we'll explain, this was the — that i've ever seen. we'll explain, this was the document they put out to at least— this was the document they put out to at least partiallyjustify their cause — to at least partiallyjustify their cause. we haven't seen the liberal party— cause. we haven't seen the liberal party demanding the legal advice the decision— party demanding the legal advice the decision based upon. this

party demanding the legal advice the decision based upon.— decision based upon. this is a bit technical but _ decision based upon. this is a bit technical but it _ decision based upon. this is a bit technical but it does _ decision based upon. this is a bit technical but it does matter. - decision based upon. this is a bit| technical but it does matter. they are not arguing that this bill is not within the devolved competence of the scottish parliament. that is not what they're saying. there's think it is within the devolved competence, i:e., it is a devolved matter that the scottish parliament has the right to legislate on in there saying something slightly more subtle witches, and i'm so sorry, but using section 35 of the scotland act in 1998, it infringes on a uk piece of legislation and quite a lot of lawyers back them up.- of lawyers back them up. i think that's nonsense _ of lawyers back them up. i think that's nonsense because - of lawyers back them up. i think that's nonsense because the - of lawyers back them up. i think. that's nonsense because the house of lawyers back them up. i think- that's nonsense because the house of commons _ that's nonsense because the house of commons itself is done reports on the inequalities committee novus reports _ the inequalities committee novus reports came to the conclusion that it does— reports came to the conclusion that it does not— reports came to the conclusion that it does not affect the equality act whatsoever. the law that has been passed _ whatsoever. the law that has been passed in _ whatsoever. the law that has been passed in the scottish parliament is that it _ passed in the scottish parliament is that it is _ passed in the scottish parliament is that it is an— passed in the scottish parliament is that it is an administrative change and it's_ that it is an administrative change and it's about making the process to

-et and it's about making the process to get a _ and it's about making the process to get a gender recognition certificate much _ get a gender recognition certificate much more humane and dignified. that is it. much more humane and dignified. that is it and _ much more humane and dignified. that is it and this _ much more humane and dignified. that is it. and this is been turned into this, it _ is it. and this is been turned into this, it is — is it. and this is been turned into this, it is been blown out of all proportion— this, it is been blown out of all proportion certainly in scotland and as for— proportion certainly in scotland and as for a _ proportion certainly in scotland and as for a long time. in proportion certainly in scotland and as for a long time.— as for a long time. in terms of motivation. — as for a long time. in terms of motivation, stuck _ as for a long time. in terms of motivation, stuck to _ as for a long time. in terms of motivation, stuck to the - as for a long time. in terms of motivation, stuck to the first i motivation, stuck to the first minister the other day and he suggested to her that perhaps this was an honest disagreement between the two sides the both of you were approaching it in good faith and she used similar words to suggested. absolute nonsense. you will board you hear— absolute nonsense. you will board you hear from those in government and westminster which the counterpoint.— and westminster which the counteroint. ., , , , �* , counterpoint. you guys must've seen this coming _ counterpoint. you guys must've seen this coming where _ counterpoint. you guys must've seen this coming where the _ counterpoint. you guys must've seen this coming where the outcome - counterpoint. you guys must've seen | this coming where the outcome could be useful to either way. i think you get the law that she are really keen on that i'm not suggesting anything other than that but you're really keen on it. or you get a constitutional sushi which allows you to make an argument that the evolution is really where you want to be a market towards independence. given the fact that the uk

government has never shown any of these _ government has never shown any of these concerns about self id from other— these concerns about self id from other countries, i do not by this idea _ other countries, i do not by this idea that — other countries, i do not by this idea that they're coming at this with good faith.— idea that they're coming at this with good faith. there is division and our with good faith. there is division and your party — with good faith. there is division and your party about _ with good faith. there is division and your party about how- with good faith. there is division and your party about how to - with good faith. there is division and your party about how to get| and your party about how to get there, about the mechanism in which you want to achieve independence. doesn't strike you is on the nicola sturgeon sets out the policies as well, we are going to have a referendum and if you and perhaps other pro—independence parties can be more than 50% of the votes in the general election, he would take that as a mandate to open negotiations with westminster over scotland and leave the united kingdom. she does that first and then she says, were going to have a special party conference to decide whether that is a good idea. that's odd, isn't it? i think the uk set up as odd today the

truth _ think the uk set up as odd today the truth first— think the uk set up as odd today the truth. first of all, your point of a conference — truth. first of all, your point of a conference about this.— truth. first of all, your point of a conference about this. and get the oli . conference about this. and get the policy- will — conference about this. and get the policy. will have _ conference about this. and get the policy. will have the _ conference about this. and get the policy. will have the conference, l policy. will have the conference, eventually _ policy. will have the conference, eventually in _ policy. will have the conference, eventually in a _ policy. will have the conference, eventually in a wide _ policy. will have the conference, eventually in a wide range - policy. will have the conference, eventually in a wide range of- eventually in a wide range of arguments for what elections should be arguments for what elections should he used _ arguments for what elections should he used in _ arguments for what elections should be used in the best way to do it. sounds — be used in the best way to do it. sounds a — be used in the best way to do it. sounds a bit messy. of be used in the best way to do it. sounds a bit messy.— be used in the best way to do it. sounds a bit messy. of course it's messy and — sounds a bit messy. of course it's messy and the — sounds a bit messy. of course it's messy and the reason _ sounds a bit messy. of course it's messy and the reason why - sounds a bit messy. of course it's messy and the reason why is - sounds a bit messy. of course it's . messy and the reason why is because the scottish— messy and the reason why is because the scottish government have been elected _ the scottish government have been elected numerous times on the commitment manifesto to have a second _ referendum. the other thing that doesn't _ referendum. the other thing that doesn't matter. i referendum. the other thing that doesn't matter.— referendum. the other thing that doesn't matter. ~ ., .,~ doesn't matter. i know you can make an argument — doesn't matter. i know you can make an argument of— doesn't matter. i know you can make an argument of the _ doesn't matter. i know you can make an argument of the sons of— an argument of the sons of democratic injustice. you have been confronted to get a referendum by a choice. we confronted to get a referendum by a choice. ~ , ., ., ., choice. we should not have to exlore choice. we should not have to explore other _ choice. we should not have to explore other options. - choice. we should not have to explore other options. but - choice. we should not have to i explore other options. but still, liven explore other options. but still, given where _ explore other options. but still, given where we _ explore other options. but still, given where we are, _ explore other options. but still, given where we are, the - explore other options. but still, given where we are, the card i explore other options. but still, l given where we are, the card was before the horse they announced a policy and then say oh, i'll ask the party what they want. you policy and then say oh, i'll ask the party what they want.—

party what they want. you can look at it that way- _ party what they want. you can look at it that way. that _ party what they want. you can look at it that way. that is _ party what they want. you can look at it that way. that is exactly - party what they want. you can look at it that way. that is exactly how i at it that way. that is exactly how it is. but she's _ at it that way. that is exactly how it is. but she's moved _ at it that way. that is exactly how it is. but she's moved now, - at it that way. that is exactly how it is. but she's moved now, she's| it is. but she's moved now, she's recognising that _ it is. but she's moved now, she's recognising that actually, - it is. but she's moved now, she's recognising that actually, if - it is. but she's moved now, she's recognising that actually, if we i it is. but she's moved now, she's. recognising that actually, if we are going _ recognising that actually, if we are going to _ recognising that actually, if we are going to take on this massive establishment, let's think about this and — establishment, let's think about this and make sure everyone is on course _ this and make sure everyone is on course. ~ . , this and make sure everyone is on course. . . , , ., ., , course. which test is going to set itself. i have _ course. which test is going to set itself. i have to _ course. which test is going to set itself. i have to ask _ course. which test is going to set itself. i have to ask you _ course. which test is going to set itself. i have to ask you one - course. which test is going to set| itself. i have to ask you one more thing, more of a personal thing that first time we met, if you recall, it was the 2015 general election in which you are elected and before you were elected, you came back on the campaign trail was quite an interesting day, i think, campaign trail was quite an interesting day, ithink, knocking on doors and taking on douglas alexander equal to the house of commons and— alexander equal to the house of commons and . commons and with the culture, the bab of commons and with the culture, the baby of the — commons and with the culture, the baby of the house. _ commons and with the culture, the baby of the house. youngest - commons and with the culture, the baby of the house. youngest mp i baby of the house. youngest mp right. and now you're the deputy leader of the party westminster and that's a journey, isn't it was mac it's a big question but what is that all down i picked too soon. what was

the start of the journey like being so young and i really don't mean to be. ., �* ., so young and i really don't mean to be. .,�* ., ., , so young and i really don't mean to be. ., �* ., ., , its be. you're not patronising. its unusual- _ be. you're not patronising. its unusual. definitely. _ be. you're not patronising. its unusual. definitely. i- be. you're not patronising. its unusual. definitely. i mean. be. you're not patronising. its| unusual. definitely. i mean the answers that _ unusual. definitely. i mean the answers that i _ unusual. definitely. i mean the answers that i gave _ unusual. definitely. i mean the answers that i gave in - unusual. definitely. i mean the answers that i gave in august | unusual. definitely. i mean the i answers that i gave in august 20 were _ answers that i gave in august 20 were true — answers that i gave in august 20 were true and a case where i became impassioned — were true and a case where i became impassioned by the independence referendum and need deep and politics— referendum and need deep and politics and we lost referendum and i politics and we lost referendum and i thought. _ politics and we lost referendum and i thought, if not put in enough amount— i thought, if not put in enough amount of— i thought, if not put in enough amount of work for us to go back to where _ amount of work for us to go back to where they— amount of work for us to go back to where they were and that is to change and people encouraging my name _ change and people encouraging my name to— change and people encouraging my name to come forward. and when you not here name to come forward. and when you got here to — name to come forward. and when you got here to westminster, _ name to come forward. and when you got here to westminster, how - name to come forward. and when you got here to westminster, how were i got here to westminster, how were you treated? it got here to westminster, how were you treated?— you treated? it was a mixture, detailed the _ you treated? it was a mixture, detailed the truth _ you treated? it was a mixture, detailed the truth stop - you treated? it was a mixture, detailed the truth stop by - you treated? it was a mixture, detailed the truth stop by the l detailed the truth stop by the people — detailed the truth stop by the people patronise you? absolutely. notiust_ people patronise you? absolutely. notjust because i was young because

it was— notjust because i was young because it was a _ notjust because i was young because it was a woman. notjust because i was young because it was a woman-— it was a woman. within your own -a ? it was a woman. within your own party? yeah- _ it was a woman. within your own party? yeah. sometimes, - it was a woman. within your own party? yeah. sometimes, yeah. | it was a woman. within your own - party? yeah. sometimes, yeah. why was blue patronising _ party? yeah. sometimes, yeah. why was blue patronising or _ party? yeah. sometimes, yeah. why was blue patronising or undermining| was blue patronising or undermining or doing things that they would never— or doing things that they would never do — or doing things that they would never do to an older male colleague. whether— never do to an older male colleague. whether it _ never do to an older male colleague. whether it was undermining or being rude or— whether it was undermining or being rude or leading you out of things deliberately not giving you. might make use colleagues _ deliberately not giving you. might make use colleagues -- - deliberately not giving you. might make use colleagues -- these i deliberately not giving you. m grit make use colleagues —— these are your colleagues. hat make use colleagues -- these are your colleagues.— make use colleagues -- these are your colleagues. not right now. and this came from _ your colleagues. not right now. and this came from the _ your colleagues. not right now. and this came from the labour - your colleagues. not right now. and this came from the labour party, i your colleagues. not right now. and this came from the labour party, to | this came from the labour party, to tell you _ this came from the labour party, to tell you the — this came from the labour party, to tell you the truth and the tories could _ tell you the truth and the tories could not— tell you the truth and the tories could not have been nicer. they were also polite _ could not have been nicer. they were also polite holding doors open, good morning. _ also polite holding doors open, good morning, how are you. that also polite holding doors open, good morning, how are you.— morning, how are you. that change

our morning, how are you. that change your perceptions — morning, how are you. that change your perceptions of— morning, how are you. that change your perceptions of conservatives. i your perceptions of conservatives. notjust because you are very smiley not just because you are very smiley and polite _ not just because you are very smiley and polite as you tell me that you don't _ and polite as you tell me that you don't think— and polite as you tell me that you don't think i should have certain rights _ don't think i should have certain rights doesn't make it any less terrific, — rights doesn't make it any less terrific, you know. i can appreciate and i_ terrific, you know. i can appreciate and i can— terrific, you know. i can appreciate and i can talk to anybody, i can as long _ and i can talk to anybody, i can as long as _ and i can talk to anybody, i can as long as they— and i can talk to anybody, i can as long as they treat you with respect but fundamentally, what we're talking — but fundamentally, what we're talking about politics that affects everybody's lives, i think there is a very— everybody's lives, i think there is a very high— everybody's lives, i think there is a very high bar that a lot of members, many conservatives don't really— members, many conservatives don't really meet — members, many conservatives don't really meet-— really meet. thank you for coming on. thank really meet. thank you for coming on- thank you _ really meet. thank you for coming on. thank you for _ really meet. thank you for coming on. thank you for having - really meet. thank you for coming on. thank you for having me - really meet. thank you for coming on. thank you for having me stop| really meet. thank you for coming i on. thank you for having me stop you love the perspective _ on. thank you for having me stop you love the perspective of the _ on. thank you for having me stop you love the perspective of the snp, - love the perspective of the snp, will speak to labour in a bit. we can talk— will speak to labour in a bit. we can talk to _ will speak to labour in a bit. we can tal ., , , ., will speak to labour in a bit. we cantal ., , , ., ., can talk to my friend in the snow at the world economic _ can talk to my friend in the snow at the world economic forms. - can talk to my friend in the snow at the world economic forms. a - can talk to my friend in the snow at the world economic forms. a bit. the world economic forms. a bit cloudy but _ the world economic forms. a bit cloudy but lovely _ the world economic forms. a bit cloudy but lovely mountains behind you and i suppose the question

people looking at those lovely mountains have is why is that ministers swarming around the beautiful swiss alps when people here come are to be honest, dying in trolleys and freezing in their homes? in trolleys and freezing in their homes? ., , ., , ., homes? in the rope gathers together and ministers — homes? in the rope gathers together and ministers from _ homes? in the rope gathers together and ministers from around _ homes? in the rope gathers together and ministers from around the - homes? in the rope gathers together| and ministers from around the world, what you _ and ministers from around the world, what you get is the opportunity to discuss _ what you get is the opportunity to discuss a — what you get is the opportunity to discuss a lot of things which matter to a back— discuss a lot of things which matter to a back home, none more so than bringing _ to a back home, none more so than bringing home investment to the uk, bringing _ bringing home investment to the uk, bringing jobs to the uk and to not be here _ bringing jobs to the uk and to not be here runs the risk ofjobs going elsewhere — be here runs the risk of 'obs going elsewhere. , , be here runs the risk of 'obs going elsewhere.— elsewhere. jocelyn mp for constituents _ elsewhere. jocelyn mp for constituents in _ elsewhere. jocelyn mp for constituents in the - elsewhere. jocelyn mp for i constituents in the southeast elsewhere. jocelyn mp for - constituents in the southeast of england and i guess you must be pretty delighted to hear about this levelling up money heading your way. although i wondered people may be a bit surprised to hear that heading to the southeast with all the talk of levelling up in the north of the country, labour is saying this is a partial refund on the way that has been stolen from them by years of austerity. is that fair? thea;r

been stolen from them by years of austerity. is that fair?— austerity. is that fair? they come u . austerity. is that fair? they come u- with austerity. is that fair? they come up with the _ austerity. is that fair? they come up with the lines _ austerity. is that fair? they come up with the lines to _ austerity. is that fair? they come up with the lines to matter - austerity. is that fair? they come up with the lines to matter what. austerity. is that fair? they come i up with the lines to matter what you do. up with the lines to matter what you do elected — up with the lines to matter what you do. elected in 2019 and that mission to level— do. elected in 2019 and that mission to level up. — do. elected in 2019 and that mission to level up, london in the southeast and getting — to level up, london in the southeast and getting about half as much money even in _ and getting about half as much money even in this— and getting about half as much money even in this round commits the second — even in this round commits the second round compare with the northwest, for example and actually, the money— northwest, for example and actually, the money is much more spread across the money is much more spread across the country— the money is much more spread across the country than suggested. is the country than suggested. always a the country than suggested. i3 always a discussion on where the money goes in the fairness because if you look at it at a population, reflects better in terms of the north—south argument than a different way. but i wonder, the absolute, the formula mechanism of trying to address regional geographic inequalities in space. your colleague and west midlands has said this afternoon that in his view, the whole way of having different areas complete tagamet competing to get a hold of the money suggests that the whitehall bidding

and bedding, the centralised system of london civil servants making local decisions is flawed. if someone sitting into a building in central london deciding whether somewhere in morecambe or gateshead or will he gets money, how can i possibly know better than people locally that that is a good idea? kept the country somehow, right? so you have _ kept the country somehow, right? so you have to— kept the country somehow, right? so you have to have a system in place not place _ you have to have a system in place not place not everything, not everything to be decided from the local town hall stop you we live in an incredibly centralised england in particular. — an incredibly centralised england in particular, an incredibly centralised country and in the uk as well, _ centralised country and in the uk as well, arguably. pushback against that gently. in the west midlands, and wants— that gently. in the west midlands, and wants to more than him to actually— and wants to more than him to actually ensure that they have been bringing _ actually ensure that they have been bringing huge resources and are credited — bringing huge resources and are credited to him and. s

bringing huge resources and are credited to him and.— bringing huge resources and are credited to him and. s well, you've not to credited to him and. s well, you've got to have — credited to him and. s well, you've got to have a _ credited to him and. s well, you've got to have a system _ credited to him and. s well, you've got to have a system of _ credited to him and. s well, you've got to have a system of some - credited to him and. s well, you've| got to have a system of some kind, you have to collect taxes and have a serious conversation have to collect tax and thinkable way of dividing it up. to your point about centralisation, i've been in politics quite a while and i remember a time where a spin more mobilisations regional relations. and even in my own department where moving _ and even in my own department where moving people out acquainted pace to her office _ moving people out acquainted pace to her office and leads the other week, the business department and hundreds of people _ the business department and hundreds of people not sitting in whitehall but government shifting itself out and so, _ but government shifting itself out and so, i— but government shifting itself out and so, i agree with the idea that the closer— and so, i agree with the idea that the closer you can govern to people, the closer you can govern to people, the better— the closer you can govern to people, the better but in the end, you we are a _ the better but in the end, you we are a nation— the better but in the end, you we are a nation and we have to collect the money— are a nation and we have to collect the money and decisions are to be made _ the money and decisions are to be made in _ the money and decisions are to be made in the — the money and decisions are to be made in the west midlands is done superbly— made in the west midlands is done superbly well and long bit last stop

something that is happening all across— something that is happening all across the nation is strikes, isn't it? , , , . , ., , it? nurses, teachers, civil servants all out or heading _ it? nurses, teachers, civil servants all out or heading out _ it? nurses, teachers, civil servants all out or heading out in _ it? nurses, teachers, civil servants all out or heading out in the - all out or heading out in the coming days and weeks and this problem is getting worse, is it not? fundamentally, we have to recognise that things _ fundamentally, we have to recognise that things are tough because britain — that things are tough because britain invaded ukraine and pushed inflation _ britain invaded ukraine and pushed inflation. gur britain invaded ukraine and pushed inflation. , ., ., ., , inflation. our industrial relations nettina inflation. our industrial relations getting worse — inflation. our industrial relations getting worse and _ inflation. our industrial relations getting worse and you _ inflation. our industrial relations getting worse and you said - inflation. our industrial relations getting worse and you said yes, | inflation. our industrial relations | getting worse and you said yes, i just want to be clear that his review and that is what you think. compared to a couple of years ago, we are _ compared to a couple of years ago, we are experiencing strikes, that we were not— we are experiencing strikes, that we were not thin. the difference is going _ were not thin. the difference is going to — were not thin. the difference is going to covid—19 and primarily, the increase _ going to covid—19 and primarily, the increase in— going to covid—19 and primarily, the increase in inflation, if we have not seen — increase in inflation, if we have not seen inflation spike is going to covid-i9 _ not seen inflation spike is going to covid—19 and primarily, the increase in inflation, — covid—19 and primarily, the increase in inflation, if we have not seen inflation spike as it did because putting — inflation spike as it did because putting were in ukraine and inflation _ putting were in ukraine and inflation that is followed it, i don't — inflation that is followed it, i don't suppose we would have the industrial— don't suppose we would have the industrial action now stop you what do you _ industrial action now stop you what do you accept that it's worse than

it was— do you accept that it's worse than it was two— do you accept that it's worse than it was two months ago? yes, because the impact _ it was two months ago? yes, because the impact on peoples lives and livelihoods through high inflation is having — livelihoods through high inflation is having quite an impact. let�*s is having quite an impact. let's talk about _ is having quite an impact. let's talk about minimum _ is having quite an impact. let's talk about minimum service i is having quite an impact. let�*s talk about minimum service levels and safety levels, this idea that if it's put into law that there is a baseline provision of a service during a time of industrial action, let's put one side the argument for or against that idea though the compassion to case for those who criticise it, what about the issue of timing. is doing it now there's clearly a fractious relationship between the government in trade unions, is that helpful and actually doing the one thing the plenty of newscasters will want to see which is a resolution to these industrial disputes that are not inconvenienced every day. disputes that are not inconvenienced eve da . ., , disputes that are not inconvenienced eve da . ., disputes that are not inconvenienced eve da. .,, ., disputes that are not inconvenienced eve da. ., ., every day. people to people to want to see it resolved _ every day. people to people to want to see it resolved and _ every day. people to people to want to see it resolved and we _ every day. people to people to want to see it resolved and we took- every day. people to people to want to see it resolved and we took a - to see it resolved and we took a real push— to see it resolved and we took a real push to the new year to try and do that— real push to the new year to try and do that but— real push to the new year to try and do that but is moved us on this is

we have — do that but is moved us on this is we have seen peoples lives potentially put in some danger by not having a nationally agreed safety — not having a nationally agreed safety level a minimum safety level in place. _ safety level a minimum safety level in place, particularly when it came to ambulances. on the other hand, it comes— to ambulances. on the other hand, it comes to _ to ambulances. on the other hand, it comes to nurses in the royal college of nursing, _ comes to nurses in the royal college of nursing, we found very responsibly that the agreed national levels _ responsibly that the agreed national levels and minimum levels of safety and service — levels and minimum levels of safety and service and so, what we're saying — and service and so, what we're saying to — and service and so, what we're saying to the unions as look, it cannot— saying to the unions as look, it cannot be _ saying to the unions as look, it cannot be right to leave an ambulance area down to individual area regions, trusts. instead, that should _ area regions, trusts. instead, that should be — area regions, trusts. instead, that should be decided at a national level— should be decided at a national level if— should be decided at a national level if so, how can we ask her army to cover— level if so, how can we ask her army to cover for ambulances if they don't _ to cover for ambulances if they don't know where they're going to be? we _ don't know where they're going to be? ~ u, don't know where they're going to be? . . ., , ., ., , be? we can see from those watching as o- osed be? we can see from those watching as opposed to _ be? we can see from those watching as opposed to listening, _ be? we can see from those watching as opposed to listening, you're - be? we can see from those watching as opposed to listening, you're welll as opposed to listening, you're well wrapped up, what is your technique for staying warm in the winter is blue one is the hand warmers, one looks like a tea bag in my pocket.

and under myjacket here, this attaches— and under myjacket here, this attaches to a battery that she would use to _ attaches to a battery that she would use to charge her phone and it is giving _ use to charge her phone and it is giving me — use to charge her phone and it is giving me a _ use to charge her phone and it is giving me a warm. a battery-powered coat? standing _ giving me a warm. a battery-powered coat? standing on _ giving me a warm. a battery-powered coat? standing on very _ giving me a warm. a battery-powered coat? standing on very cold _ coat? standing on very cold sidelines — coat? standing on very cold sidelines is _ coat? standing on very cold sidelines is taught - coat? standing on very cold sidelines is taught me - coat? standing on very cold sidelines is taught me the i coat? standing on very cold - sidelines is taught me the address a very warmly. sidelines is taught me the address a very warmly-— very warmly. thank you very much. thank you — very warmly. thank you very much. thank you for— very warmly. thank you very much. thank you forjoining _ very warmly. thank you very much. thank you forjoining us _ very warmly. thank you very much. thank you forjoining us on - thank you forjoining us on newscast. thank you for “oining us on newscast.— thank you for “oining us on newscast. ., �* , , , newscast. from the business secretary and _ newscast. from the business secretary and his _ newscast. from the business secretary and his high-tech i newscast. from the business - secretary and his high-tech jacket secretary and his high—tech jacket in switzerland, curing the newscast studio, we have bridget phillips in the shadow education secretary. get to see you. the shadow education secretary. get to see you- a — the shadow education secretary. get to see you. a curious _ the shadow education secretary. get to see you. a curious kind _ to see you. a curious kind of gathering. — to see you. a curious kind of gathering, isn't _ to see you. a curious kind of gathering, isn't it _ to see you. a curious kind of gathering, isn't it and - to see you. a curious kind of gathering, isn't it and plenty to see you. a curious kind of. gathering, isn't it and plenty of critics will say that it screams global elite, keir starmer has been on that in the past couple of days and the value forward, asking grant to you, what is the value of your

leader going off and mingling with a load of millionaires and chief executives, what value does that bring to your constituency to this country ) bring to your constituency to this country) which is the receiver serious with her approach and that keir starmer has gone out there and showing the change in a relationship in business. and for growth and new jobs in our economy and keir starmer is been talking about the carbonates and the economy and how we use that as an opportunity to create print jobs i think there is real potential in the communities that haven't seen that kind ofjobs or investment for some time. let's talk about childcare and with labour government would do is for us childcare in england is concerned it is pretty radical. it sets out in even involved a trip to estonia and how they do it. involved a trip to estonia and how the do it. , , ., ., involved a trip to estonia and how the do it. , ., ., .,, they do it. just to go back a slight ste in they do it. just to go back a slight step in identifying _ they do it. just to go back a slight step in identifying the problem i they do it. just to go back a slight i step in identifying the problem what we are _ step in identifying the problem what we are seeking to solve and at the

minute _ we are seeking to solve and at the minute so — we are seeking to solve and at the minute, so many parents pay so much in childcare _ minute, so many parents pay so much in childcare and often more than rent or— in childcare and often more than rent or mortgage is to him the position— rent or mortgage is to him the position where a lot of women are giving _ position where a lot of women are giving up — position where a lot of women are giving up working and growing numbers— giving up working and growing numbers because they cannot afford childcare _ numbers because they cannot afford childcare or— numbers because they cannot afford childcare or it is not available. and _ childcare or it is not available. and that — childcare or it is not available. and that is _ childcare or it is not available. and that is a big cost and economic growth _ and that is a big cost and economic growth in _ and that is a big cost and economic growth in the big cost of the individual into the family and also to children — individual into the family and also to children who do need a great start— to children who do need a great start in— to children who do need a great start in life and really high quality— start in life and really high quality childcare and education is an important part of that. we set out that— an important part of that. we set out that we need to fundamentally rethink— out that we need to fundamentally rethink how we approached childcare in this— rethink how we approached childcare in this country and it should be a part of— in this country and it should be a part of our— in this country and it should be a part of our education system and we need to— part of our education system and we need to make sure that those issues around _ need to make sure that those issues around affordability and availability are addressed and that involves— availability are addressed and that involves building a modern childcare system _ involves building a modern childcare system at _ involves building a modern childcare system at the end of parental leave, when _ system at the end of parental leave, when parents will return to work into the — when parents will return to work into the into primary school and we out is _ into the into primary school and we out is the _ into the into primary school and we out is the first up around that is universal— out is the first up around that is universal free breakfast to every primary— universal free breakfast to every primary school child in england to ease _ primary school child in england to ease the — primary school child in england to ease the pressure, parents face around — ease the pressure, parents face around not _ ease the pressure, parents face around notjust when ease the pressure, parents face around not just when the children are young — around not 'ust when the children are ounr. ., . ., around not 'ust when the children

young.— around not 'ust when the children are ounr. ., . ., are young. how much would this cost? £365 million — are young. how much would this cost? £365 million and _ are young. how much would this cost? £365 million and it's _ are young. how much would this cost? £365 million and it's paid _ are young. how much would this cost? £365 million and it's paid for— £365 million and it's paid for by the changes we put in place on tax data. as i say, everything that we set up fully funded, fully costed and planned to deliver it but i will make a massive difference to so many parents who, giving up shifts and can get to work on time, does that hard drop off whatever happens to be. or what you do to stop the strikes that are coming up in schools? i strikes that are coming up in schools? ., , ., ,, ., schools? i would be talking about this months _ schools? i would be talking about this months ago _ schools? i would be talking about this months ago the _ schools? i would be talking about this months ago the trade - schools? i would be talking about| this months ago the trade unions. we've _ this months ago the trade unions. we've known that this is been coming for a very— we've known that this is been coming for a very long time.— for a very long time. crucially sa in: for a very long time. crucially saying what- _ for a very long time. crucially saying what. andy _ for a very long time. crucially saying what. andy spoken - for a very long time. crucially saying what. andy spoken to | for a very long time. crucially - saying what. andy spoken to keir starmer about this enough to get people around the table in order to get to resolution and crucially, it's what happens around the table, doesn't it and they're going to say, we know what they're going to say because they said in public. they want more money than what is currently on the table. so, logic would suggest that the only would

this be resolved as if there is more money. whether it be more money under labour? i money. whether it be more money under labour?— under labour? i take your point however you — under labour? i take your point however you have _ under labour? i take your point however you have to _ under labour? i take your point however you have to be - under labour? i take your point however you have to be around the table _ however you have to be around the table to _ however you have to be around the table to be — however you have to be around the table to be having the discussion even _ table to be having the discussion even in _ table to be having the discussion even in the last week, ministers of even _ even in the last week, ministers of even been — even in the last week, ministers of even been willing to discuss it. and obviousl even been willing to discuss it. obviously part even been willing to discuss it. situc obviously part of your even been willing to discuss it. fific obviously part of your role understandably, what do you do in the situation right now if you are doing him exiting and the state of education. ., ., ., ., ., education. you do need to get ahead of this. education. you do need to get ahead of this- and — education. you do need to get ahead of this. and they _ education. you do need to get ahead of this. and they have _ education. you do need to get ahead of this. and they have not _ education. you do need to get ahead of this. and they have not been - education. you do need to get ahead of this. and they have not been only| of this. and they have not been only to talk about — of this. and they have not been only to talk about this _ of this. and they have not been only to talk about this but _ of this. and they have not been only to talk about this but the _ to talk about this but the first indicative ballot took place last september and indicative ballot took place last septemberand here indicative ballot took place last september and here we are for government having not to make taking this seriously, want to work with trade _ this seriously, want to work with trade unions and.— this seriously, want to work with trade unions and. though most of -auttin trade unions and. though most of putting more _ trade unions and. though most of putting more money— trade unions and. though most of putting more money on _ trade unions and. though most of putting more money on the - trade unions and. though most of putting more money on the table | trade unions and. though most of i putting more money on the table in which you do that? i’m putting more money on the table in which you do that?— which you do that? i'm not going to make commitments _ which you do that? i'm not going to make commitments right _ which you do that? i'm not going to make commitments right now - make commitments right now especially we do not know with the economic— especially we do not know with the economic situation in the next labour— economic situation in the next labour government will inherit and

prevent— labour government will inherit and prevent years now of poor growth. labours _ prevent years now of poor growth. labours record from government last time around — labours record from government last time around was real terms increases in pay— time around was real terms increases in pay for— time around was real terms increases in pay for teachers. we did make sure _ in pay for teachers. we did make sure that — in pay for teachers. we did make sure that people were probably supportive of what they were doing. he is. _ supportive of what they were doing. he is, pay— supportive of what they were doing. he is, pay is— supportive of what they were doing. he is, pay is absolutely important but it's_ he is, pay is absolutely important but it's terms and conditions are too and — but it's terms and conditions are too and that comes up time and time again _ too and that comes up time and time again. teacher students feel underappreciated, undervalued for the work— underappreciated, undervalued for the work that they do. i�*m underappreciated, undervalued for the work that they do.— underappreciated, undervalued for the work that they do. i'm trying to establish definitively _ the work that they do. i'm trying to establish definitively whether - the work that they do. i'm trying to establish definitively whether you i establish definitively whether you were suggesting as you seem to be that the government should come of the labour party position is that the labour party position is that the government should sort out conditions and pay them more than they are currently being offered. tell me if that is not your position but it seems to me that it is. whether it is teachers, nurses or all of— whether it is teachers, nurses or all of our— whether it is teachers, nurses or all of our public servants, we always — all of our public servants, we always want to make sure that we get always want to make sure that we get a fair deal— always want to make sure that we get a fair dealand always want to make sure that we get a fair deal and that of the liberal governments have had a fair deal but we are _ governments have had a fair deal but we are not— governments have had a fair deal but we are not that yet. when you look at the _ we are not that yet. when you look at the fact — we are not that yet. when you look at the fact that experience teaches about _ at the fact that experience teaches about is% — at the fact that experience teaches about 13% pay cut over the past

year. _ about 13% pay cut over the past year. i— about 13% pay cut over the past year, i don't think that is the case — year, i don't think that is the case. . ., ., , year, i don't think that is the case. ,, ., ., , ., year, i don't think that is the case. . ., ., , ., , case. shadow minister wanted this but ickin: case. shadow minister wanted this but picking up _ case. shadow minister wanted this but picking up on _ case. shadow minister wanted this but picking up on a _ case. shadow minister wanted this but picking up on a conversation i but picking up on a conversation that we had with crankshafts out in devils, he was wearing a battery—powered pufferjacket and battery—powered puffer jacket and not battery—powered pufferjacket and not only did he have a million lives on in the in this coat that looked like pretty adequate for the job in hand, but he said that a battery pack to pump hot air around him or something and i'm wondering, i started my career in the northeast and the famous cliche that people are so tough that they can go on the winter without a coat on the winter without a codon at all, but what is, the sunderland solution to the january weathering and keeping warm? to have a battery—powered coat? band to have a battery-powered coat? and from the to have a battery—powered coat? and from the northeast, i can more than manage _ from the northeast, i can more than manage a _ from the northeast, i can more than manage a bit of cold weather, develop — manage a bit of cold weather, develop your right. you manage a bit of cold weather, develop your right.— manage a bit of cold weather, develop your right. you go on the streets like _ develop your right. you go on the streets like this. _ develop your right. you go on the streets like this. i _ develop your right. you go on the streets like this. i do _ develop your right. you go on the streets like this. i do have - develop your right. you go on the streets like this. i do have a - develop your right. you go on the streets like this. i do have a code j streets like this. i do have a code but i can manage, _ streets like this. i do have a code but i can manage, use _ streets like this. i do have a code but i can manage, use to - streets like this. i do have a code but i can manage, use to this. i streets like this. i do have a code l but i can manage, use to this. your

words. _ but i can manage, use to this. your words. not — but i can manage, use to this. your words, not mine.— words, not mine. thank you very much. words, not mine. thank you very much- cheers — words, not mine. thank you very much. cheers for _ words, not mine. thank you very much. cheers for coming - words, not mine. thank you very i much. cheers for coming on. thank you. much. cheers for coming on. thank ou. . , much. cheers for coming on. thank ou. ., , , ., much. cheers for coming on. thank ou. ., , ., ., much. cheers for coming on. thank ou. ., ., ., , you. that is your lot from james, not me you. that is your lot from james, rrot me and _ you. that is your lot from james, not me and newscasters, - you. that is your lot from james, not me and newscasters, you - you. that is your lot from james, i not me and newscasters, you have you. that is your lot from james, - not me and newscasters, you have an upgrade tomorrow. the not me and newscasters, you have an upgrade tomorrow.— upgrade tomorrow. the professionals will be over here _ upgrade tomorrow. the professionals will be over here tomorrow _ upgrade tomorrow. the professionals will be over here tomorrow because i will be over here tomorrow because we have radio one greg james and the bbc world service. iqufeiiii we have radio one greg james and the bbc world service.— bbc world service. well worth a listen and _ bbc world service. well worth a listen and thank _ bbc world service. well worth a listen and thank you _ bbc world service. well worth a listen and thank you for- bbc world service. well worth a l listen and thank you for listening. goodbye. hello. freddy brought some sunshine of her head but still some snow on the ground and places in the court prayed into the week and as we are through the weekend, southern and eastern parts of you table stapled was further north, it will become milder and cloudier with some outbreaks of rain and very slow changes over the next couple of days

and those changes start to take place across northern ireland and westerns, and cloud in a band of rain previous and he'll snow on the leading edge for that comes much milder air by six o'clock on saturday morning at 6 degrees in belfast, seven for stornoway and for the site denise, cort frosts start and will be some fog in parts of the midlands and the west country freezing fog which can be dense and slow to clear. sunny spells for much of england and wales and for the north and west, northern ireland, scotland cloudier with spots of rain and it highs of 10 degrees as we head into sunday and it's chilly and milder but cloudier further north and west.

this is bbc world news. i'm lukwesa burak. the headlines. the british prime minister, rishi sunak, is fined by polce for failing to wear a seat belt whilst a passenger in a moving car. it happened when he was filming a political clip for instagram. western defence chiefs meeting in germany fail to agree on the provision of advanced tanks to ukraine — the americans say it's still under discussion. you may have heard the german minister of dependency earlier that they have not made a decision on the provision of leopard tanks. the decision comes despite an emotional plea from president volodymyr zelensky via video link. also in the programme... a senior un official visiting kabul says progress is being made

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