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conversation with rather than an interrogation of someone who shapes our political thinking about what has shaped theirs. my guess this week is the leader of britain's second largest trade union, sharon graham who replaced the rather better—known mark. we are at a time restriction on the health service, strikes on the railway, strengths and schools, strikes in the civil service. foryears, and schools, strikes in the civil service. for years, there's been talks of a new winter of discontent must be honest, it has been largely that. talk. these trade unions to have a mandate for members and have the backing of large sections of the public. to have a fight over the standard of their members living. welcome to political thinking. because you've been around a long time, your perspective of this, does it feel like the beginning of a new balance of power in the workplace,

may be in society more generally consider one free of particularly high global inflation and people are making sure they don't get a real wage cuts tabular i think a one—off moment and moving toward something i think part of that was because of the pandemic and peoples on the pandemic that it was every day people that were not fighting, many workers but mostly people who were paid less money in society that they were sent out there and at a time where they're going to have a vaccine and we didn't know any of these things, they went out to deal with when they came back, they were ignored and i think as a society, everybody as ignored and i think as a society, eve bod , ., ignored and i think as a society, eve body.” _ , everybody as empathy and sympathy with that and — everybody as empathy and sympathy with that and also _ everybody as empathy and sympathy with that and also because _ everybody as empathy and sympathy with that and also because they're i with that and also because they're going to the same thing. so, i actually think that the genie is out of the bottle in the game is up think people are realising that it

is workers and everyday people for the one thinking this economy going. that phrase that you made, growing. it was used as a stick to attack the winter of discontent, alleged to bring down a liberal government. in myjournalistic career, i constantly said that it never really was actually in a kind of feels like it might be, do you think it is this time? ~ ., , ., . . , time? were doing bingo with cliches and around the _ time? were doing bingo with cliches and around the patch. _ time? were doing bingo with cliches and around the patch. but _ time? were doing bingo with cliches and around the patch. but what - time? were doing bingo with cliches and around the patch. but what i - and around the patch. but what i think it is, we have a very unequal society and we have had for years and years and i think you need to do is look at the solutions to that now we cannot tinker around the edges any more because it's completely broken i'll give you an example. if you take the health dispute and the groaning about afforded and is the put up inflation, under £70 billion excess profit more than usual profit for the energy companies with a

black hole supposedly a £40 billion, why can we not set £50 billion of the axis process, get the holes down but £62 billion of the nhs and 10% pay raise and will have money over? a big day of action, and the particular day coming up on february six in which nurses from the college of nursing and ambulance workers and paramedics largely represented by workers going on strike that you members can enjoy. it mae people are dying as we speak to to waiting times in the clocking of the nhs and we have announced further days in action we have announced further days in actio ., , we have announced further days in actio . , ., , we have announced further days in actio ., , ., , ., we have announced further days in actio . , ., , ., , ~ action and will be able to strike that da , action and will be able to strike that day. yes- _ action and will be able to strike that day, yes. for _ action and will be able to strike that day, yes. for those - action and will be able to strike that day, yes. for those in - action and will be able to strike that day, yes. for those in the | that day, yes. for those in the rivate that day, yes. for those in the private sector, _ that day, yes. for those in the private sector, a _ that day, yes. for those in the private sector, a phrase - that day, yes. for those in the i private sector, a phrase different questions for you or give you pause? the question that you know that you always get when paramedics, people and call centres get on strike. hold

on, this potentially threatens lives, and certainly increases the suffering of people, increases the anxiety give you pause more than a conventional dispute? yes anxiety give you pause more than a conventional dispute?— conventional dispute? yes because nobody wants _ conventional dispute? yes because nobody wants lights _ conventional dispute? yes because nobody wants lights to _ conventional dispute? yes because nobody wants lights to be - conventional dispute? yes because nobody wants lights to be lost - conventional dispute? yes because nobody wants lights to be lost and | nobody wants lights to be lost and we are really looking carefully for the life since the ministers to make sure that in the ambulance dispute, i was on the picket line and we had proper cover that is really important to us and obviously, we do it in a way to retrain her to have any difficulties from that and i have to say, lives have been lost now there is a piece of the might yesterday sing the belief 500 excess lives have been lost a week because of waiting times and something has to be done and if something is not done to solve the pay crisis, they can help to work which means the nhs is on its knees and it's important that they come to the table and i've said this before, he is the ultimate decision—maker, he is the person were if this is not the dispute in the private sector, me and him would

be speaking and he will not come to the table. i be speaking and he will not come to the table. g ., the table. i interviewed john the today programme _ the table. i interviewed john the today programme and at - the table. i interviewed john the today programme and at the - the table. i interviewed john the | today programme and at the end the table. i interviewed john the i today programme and at the end of that interview, a former tory cabinet minister send me a text saying, i'm glad i'm not negotiating with her. where did the fight and toughness come from? you with her. where did the fight and toughness come from?— with her. where did the fight and toughness come from? you can never really pinpointed. _ toughness come from? you can never really pinpointed, i've _ toughness come from? you can never really pinpointed, i've always - toughness come from? you can never really pinpointed, i've always been i really pinpointed, i've always been someone who was quite determined and taken other peoples fights and i've gotten in trouble a couple times for it. but looking back, what we think may be like this, probably during the story of my uncle james who my dad is a georgie and uncle james died a long time ago in the pit in 1921. now is a preference for that store around the breakfast table probably heard it before but that's the first time i remember hearing a knowledge of the scared because i thought, this person is going to work it never came home and the children didn't have a father in any

way, spoke to mum and dad and i was like at least, that cannot happen again. and of course, it does happen. i thought that i belonged in the past and it's something that happened in the past and will never happen again but of course, as i grew up, it does happen again. people still die at work, through the pandemic, we had workers dying at work and it's always working class people who have ended up being thrown out there and end up dying at work. in the patronage of pounds, my family and £300 in compensation, three children under ten who do not have a father defected my dads family for a long time it's notjust that moment and the effects it has been so, injustice is probably what we felt, although i would not have known that at the time. xyour we felt, although i would not have known that at the time. your family from a strong _ known that at the time. your family from a strong irish _ known that at the time. your family from a strong irish family, - known that at the time. your family from a strong irish family, your- from a strong irish family, your dad, you moved and they moved to

west london but they were not the political. west london but they were not the olitical. ., ., , , ., , political. no, absolutely not, they worked in hospitality _ political. no, absolutely not, they worked in hospitality industry - political. no, absolutely not, they worked in hospitality industry and| worked in hospitality industry and they came here in late teens and they came here in late teens and they met in the 60 year anniversary and so, they got married very young and so, they got married very young and they've always been political in the small sense of such a thing. if was spoken about what's happening in the figure to my mum and dads now on a friday evening, this was a conversation about the current affairs of the day. in conversation about the current affairs of the day.— conversation about the current affairs of the day. in such event or trouble sometimes _ affairs of the day. in such event or trouble sometimes fighting? - affairs of the day. in such event or trouble sometimes fighting? at i affairs of the day. in such event or - trouble sometimes fighting? at home? project deflated on to get your fair share priscilla my first ever fair share, i got her a pay raise early on was because of pocket money. mi; on was because of pocket money. ij�*i brother was on was because of pocket money. m brother was older on was because of pocket money. m1 brother was older than me and i think working 50 pens. and my dad

said if you the proposal and argue with us as to why you think you should get the same, i will concede it. and i did stop what you negotiated with john father about sex to —— sex discrimination. d0 negotiated with john father about sex to -- sex discrimination. do you remember — sex to -- sex discrimination. do you remember what _ sex to -- sex discrimination. do you remember what argument _ sex to -- sex discrimination. do you remember what argument you - sex to -- sex discrimination. do you | remember what argument you used? sex to -- sex discrimination. do you - remember what argument you used? why did it cost remember what argument you used? ii'i�*i1' did it cost him remember what argument you used? “i1 did it cost him this remember what argument you used? iii“i1' did it cost him this delivered me when everything is being paid and you'll be able to buy more suites and my was able to buy suites and so, yeah, it's probably childish but i think of my death quite like this that i prepared it, i rehearsed it and answered questions on it. and so, he gave in. what make you leave school at 16, and into this hospitality trade, and to hotel and in this, you need to walk out in your first in this, you need to walk out in yourfirstjob was in this, you need to walk out in your first job was shallow in this, you need to walk out in your firstjob was shallow and your

thinking goodness, that's a bit pushy. basically, we had the hospitality industry and banquet and with boring everyone to death, to have people in the room. it was silver service he had to do server service to do it that that sort of situation, there is a top table and when the top table finishes, some imports of their hands and everyone clears the the waitresses clear the floor. what absences they come in and getting left in and getting less than as per shift and we were saying, which is was saying they will get less next time and we had quite the foresight, it was an our wages that were less, someone else is coming in and for some reason, it was me that was asked to be the spokesperson and i remember getting the arguments and was averse to my thought, winning an argument doesn't mean you're necessarily going to get the right outcome. your

mean you're necessarily going to get the right outcome.— the right outcome. your howl was was 17. i was the right outcome. your howl was was 17- i was trying — the right outcome. your howl was was 17- i was trying to _ the right outcome. your howl was was 17. i was trying to go into _ the right outcome. your howl was was 17. i was trying to go into the - 17. i was trying to go into the office and — 17. i was trying to go into the office and saying _ 17. i was trying to go into the office and saying this - 17. i was trying to go into the office and saying this is - 17. i was trying to go into the | office and saying this is wrong because xyz and then, they're not listening to us and so, i spoke to him in private on the service started and basically, he was very disparaging, have to say and rather rude and so, they're 0k, disparaging, have to say and rather rude and so, they're ok, that's that endedin rude and so, they're ok, that's that ended in so i came out and said to the girls, he has been so rude, etc and this is reset 0k, the girls, he has been so rude, etc and this is reset ok, but will serve the first court when they put their hand up to clear up from behind the top table wejust hand up to clear up from behind the top table we just went from there. and in he comes looking very annoyed and blowing in the ears, and basically, she gave the money. and i thought very upset about about probably the youngest of the team and probably either the most stupid are the most brave, not sure which

one it was. are the most brave, not sure which one it was-— are the most brave, not sure which one it was. ~ ., ~ ., , ., one it was. working for the tng, and manauuin one it was. working for the tng, and managing to — one it was. working for the tng, and managing to form — one it was. working for the tng, and managing to form discrete _ one it was. working for the tng, and managing to form discrete super- managing to form discrete super union and he says, you go to the trade union academy and said you should be teaching there are not the other way around. the should be teaching there are not the other way around.— other way around. the academy was talkini other way around. the academy was talking about — other way around. the academy was talking about the _ other way around. the academy was talking about the difference - other way around. the academy was | talking about the difference between just recruitment organisation and i understand why they did and everything else and it was good, there is lots of good things from them and also things i would not of donein them and also things i would not of done in other people know who are doing different things in the trade union movement and it was a good initiative, definitely.— initiative, definitely. would plunge to this 'ob initiative, definitely. would plunge to this job is _ initiative, definitely. would plunge to this job is not _ initiative, definitely. would plunge to this job is not public— initiative, definitely. would plunge to this job is not public profiling i to this job is not public profiling and much lower profile trade union than the predecessor and is this organising this idea that attaches to you before he became secretary in which you call this, leverage and what is it? i

which you call this, leverage and what is it?— which you call this, leverage and what is it? . . , ., what is it? i made the decision when i stood but what is it? i made the decision when i stood but was _ what is it? i made the decision when i stood but was really _ what is it? i made the decision when i stood but was really important - what is it? i made the decision when i stood but was really important for. i stood but was really important for me was the general secretary was to make sure that when i woke up in the morning, i was defending workers jobs in iran on that manifesto. let's take a look into how this worked, disputes of bus companies and going ahead and running the buses. iii and going ahead and running the buses. , ., , and going ahead and running the buses. , . , ., , ., buses. in this example, there was a strike in the — buses. in this example, there was a strike in the northwest _ buses. in this example, there was a strike in the northwest and - buses. in this example, there was a strike in the northwest and 500 - buses. in this example, there was a strike in the northwest and 500 bus drivers who were fired and rehired and they've been on strike for weeks and they've been on strike for weeks and they've been on strike for weeks and the company was ignoring them. what we did in this instance is that same company was going for a norwegian rail contract in norway and £3.8 billion and so, that was a lot more to them than firing and rehiring 500 people and so we did the whole campaign on that contract we basically went to norway and we spoke to the politicians we spoke about what was happening and effectively frustrating that the end of these people fired and rehired in

britain, if you have them here, they will cause industrial unrest and so the company made a choice, do i stop that from happening and we go back to the negotiating table? so that from happening and we go back to the negotiating table?— to the negotiating table? so what had them go _ to the negotiating table? so what had them go ahead? _ to the negotiating table? so what had them go ahead? fire, - to the negotiating table? so what| had them go ahead? fire, rehiring go-ahead- — had them go ahead? fire, rehiring go-ahead- i _ had them go ahead? fire, rehiring go-ahead. i was _ had them go ahead? fire, rehiring go-ahead. i was a _ had them go ahead? fire, rehiring go-ahead. i was a member - had them go ahead? fire, rehiring go-ahead. i was a member and i had them go ahead? fire, rehiring l go-ahead. i was a member and they go—ahead. i was a member and they said will never use and rehired again. and i was really important moment the fire and rehired and take place. this is important though. people are saying to the time there for much people in the area of the northwest but had that gone through, and those workers were fired and rehired and wages are suppressed, that would've happened to all of the companies in the uk and it's really important that steaks are put in the ground and that its way is only used in very hostile terrain and not a normal everyday business. iii in very hostile terrain and not a normal everyday business. in other words, normal everyday business. in other words. you — normal everyday business. in other words. you see _ normal everyday business. in other words, you see the _ normal everyday business. in other words, you see the job _ normal everyday business. in other words, you see the job of- normal everyday business. in other words, you see the job of the - words, you see the job of the general secretary is frankly less of this and talking to people like me and what if your friend said, she is

doing stop it was not that i like to, but for me, myjob, the reason i took it to, but for me, my “ob, the reason i took in ., , to, but for me, my “ob, the reason i tookii , , i, to, but for me, my “ob, the reason i tookii , , . ., took it was because i want to refocus this, _ took it was because i want to refocus this, refocus - took it was because i want to refocus this, refocus the - took it was because i want to i refocus this, refocus the union. essentially saying that i'm going to be i'm going to be different as you can imagine and love talking to the labour party, love being involved in politics and love talking a lot. what i would say is look, politics matters. the thing is, nothing not political because i am political. but i want to win, i'm on my members to win in politics should be rooted in what we are kneading, investment in what we are kneading, investment in manufacturing and pay raises, all of these things and so when i talked to keir starmer which i do often, all the conversations and probably going to do to make the lives of

working people better, the difference truths that need to be made in a whole range of different things but for me, it's about making sure that politics works for people because that is my role. i5 sure that politics works for people because that is my role.— because that is my role. is set in the conference _ because that is my role. is set in the conference of— because that is my role. is set in the conference of keir— because that is my role. is set in the conference of keir starmer, l the conference of keir starmer, whose side are you on, has he chosen? ~ ., ~ whose side are you on, has he chosen? ~ . ,, ., , whose side are you on, has he chosen? ~ . «i ., , , chosen? what i think about this is the bii chosen? what i think about this is the big question _ chosen? what i think about this is the big question for _ chosen? what i think about this is the big question for 12,023 - chosen? what i think about this is l the big question for 12,023 is going to be who pays? who pays for the crisis, who pays. labour do not allow working people to pay for this, has to be paid for in the different ways.— this, has to be paid for in the different ways. you know keir starmer better _ different ways. you know keir starmer better than _ different ways. you know keir starmer better than most - different ways. you know keir - starmer better than most people. and secondly, he misrepresented himself. he pretended to agree withjeremy corbyn but in fact he's a bit of a centrist, was right? i

corbyn but in fact he's a bit of a centrist, was right?— corbyn but in fact he's a bit of a centrist, was right? i don't know who is right _ centrist, was right? i don't know who is right because _ centrist, was right? i don't know who is right because he - centrist, was right? i don't know who is right because he left - centrist, was right? i don't know i who is right because he left answer the question himself. what i do know is this, you cannot get into government suspicion better than the other guy and the countries crying out for a strong leadership to say that we've got a different way, we've got solutions not thinking the other day, it's like a bad tribute act and the tory party like margaret thatcher saying that the labour party must be tony blair. 0ne thatcher saying that the labour party must be tony blair. one of the issues that of reflecting workers today and where the issues that are affecting our countries today and what choices can we make. i think they're different choices to make that we're not speaking about and we are not narrating it and i'm hoping that i can do that in the hope that some will pick it up at some point. so when you care about reforming the nhs and bring in private companies to cut the waiting list, that is a bad tribute act of 20 player, isn't it? ~ ., , ., , ., ., bad tribute act of 20 player, isn't it? would people have to see about it? would people have to see about it is nothing — it? would people have to see about it is nothing will— it? would people have to see about it is nothing will happen _ it? would people have to see about

it is nothing will happen in - it? would people have to see about it is nothing will happen in the - it? would people have to see about it is nothing will happen in the nhs| it is nothing will happen in the nhs video the presence of workers, nothing will happen.— video the presence of workers, nothing will happen. what makes you sa bad nothing will happen. what makes you say bad tribute _ nothing will happen. what makes you say bad tribute act. _ nothing will happen. what makes you say bad tribute act. what _ nothing will happen. what makes you say bad tribute act. what is _ nothing will happen. what makes you say bad tribute act. what is a - nothing will happen. what makes you say bad tribute act. what is a bad - say bad tribute act. what is a bad tribute act?— tribute act? because people are t ini tribute act? because people are t fin to tribute act? because people are trying to emulate _ tribute act? because people are trying to emulate the _ tribute act? because people are trying to emulate the past - tribute act? because people are trying to emulate the past and i tribute act? because people are l trying to emulate the past and we are not in the past,. and what is an example of that? the nhs as an example of that? the nhs as an example comes from the language is very similar in terms of what is set around the nhs and reform. i think that annoys workers in the nhs because what they're saying it's come out and talk about hey, look at the crisis and the staff presses sure without —— —— sorted out. -- sorted out. you talk about being a fiihter -- sorted out. you talk about being a fighter at — -- sorted out. you talk about being a fighter at home _ -- sorted out. you talk about being a fighter at home as _ -- sorted out. you talk about being a fighter at home as well— -- sorted out. you talk about being a fighter at home as well as - a fighter at home as well as the workplace. in fighting to become leader of this union. it should pull you into not running, didn't they? i rememberwhen i first you into not running, didn't they? i remember when i first did that and i want to change the union, i want to drive us into a much more focused

jobs paying agenda with politics but focus from the members. they knew was going to get attacked, i knew that. “ , , ., , was going to get attacked, i knew that. a , ., , ., was going to get attacked, i knew that. a, ., ,., a that. abuse, not 'ust attacked. a whole range — that. abuse, not 'ust attacked. a whole range of_ that. abuse, notjust attacked. a whole range of things _ that. abuse, notjust attacked. a whole range of things happenedl that. abuse, notjust attacked. a l whole range of things happened in that election. in speaking to my husband and my sun, and to inoculate them, actually. this is what we are going to be where we are. because, we are a political organisation and i wasn't following the line in terms of that and it wasn't following the line because it did not agree with the line and i thought that our union needed to be going into a different direction ofjobs paying conditions and we did that we would win more and that is what is happened. win more and that is what is happened-— win more and that is what is ha -ened. ., ., ., ., happened. you did another thing that u set happened. you did another thing that upset them. — happened. you did another thing that upset them, didn't _ happened. you did another thing that upset them, didn't you. _ happened. you did another thing that upset them, didn't you. you - happened. you did another thing that upset them, didn't you. you set - happened. you did another thing that upset them, didn't you. you set that l upset them, didn't you. you set that row about the hotel in the conference and to remember birmingham, that brought about millions of pounds and i'm not going to humoured any more. iii a

millions of pounds and i'm not going to humoured any more.— to humoured any more. in a strange wa , to humoured any more. in a strange way. that's — to humoured any more. in a strange way, that's where _ to humoured any more. in a strange way, that's where most _ to humoured any more. in a strange way, that's where most of _ to humoured any more. in a strange way, that's where most of the - way, that's where most of the threats came in after i became general secretary but the thing is this, i came in and no one does this job if you haven't got elbows after coming into exec would you say you're going to do and people will respect you for that. and there's going to be no stone unturned and if there is something in there, we need to find it invasive. in the inquiries i did in the birmingham hoteland inquiries i did in the birmingham hotel and outsource contractors. . hotel and outsource contractors. , such million quit and they're looking into it.— such million quit and they're looking into it. the difference is 31 million and _ looking into it. the difference is 31 million and we _ looking into it. the difference is 31 million and we paid _ looking into it. the difference is 31 million and we paid it - looking into it. the difference is 31 million and we paid it to - looking into it. the difference is 31 million and we paid it to do i looking into it. the difference is 31 million and we paid it to do itj 31 million and we paid it to do it but 31 million we thought we should pay will be actually paid and the question is, why is that. do pay will be actually paid and the question is, why is that.- question is, why is that. do you feel there _ question is, why is that. do you feel there was _ question is, why is that. do you feel there was corruption? - question is, why is that. do you feel there was corruption? but | question is, why is that. do you| feel there was corruption? but i question is, why is that. do you i feel there was corruption? but i do know is this- _ feel there was corruption? but i do know is this. we _ feel there was corruption? but i do know is this. we picked _ feel there was corruption? but i do know is this. we picked more - feel there was corruption? but i do know is this. we picked more than| know is this. we picked more than £31 million over and it came out in

invoices, where the got fleeced by every contractor going where there was another reason for it. i don't know what the reason is and that's where the police have it in their the people to make that mark because i don't know, i can look in the things that they look into. what i do know is that we were at best overcharged. we cannot give the outcome because how much money you spend and how much money wasn't. i’m spend and how much money wasn't. i'm iioin spend and how much money wasn't. i'm going to look into it and call it out, what's the reaction? i got a lot of flack _ out, what's the reaction? i got a lot of flack for _ out, what's the reaction? i got a lot of flack for it. _ out, what's the reaction? i got a lot of flack for it. and _ out, what's the reaction? i got a lot of flack for it. and some - out, what's the reaction? i got a lot of flack for it. and some to i out, what's the reaction? i got a i lot of flack for it. and some to my colour threats, lot of flack for it. and some to my colourthreats, i'm lot of flack for it. and some to my colour threats, i'm a tough person sounds like you, it was going to happen. and even up to now, publishing them, they will be published. i have come in, i've done the inquiry and we've either been fleeced by contractors or something else but whatever it is, going after them way to get it back, whoever and whatever it is in the meantime, the

police of the reports, the both reports and once they've done what they need to do, then i would do will be we need to do. but it had to be done and you cannot shy away from these things and that's what leadership is about. for these things and that's what leadership is about.- these things and that's what leadership is about. for said do not do this or else? _ leadership is about. for said do not do this or else? there _ leadership is about. for said do not do this or else? there are - do this or else? there are definitely _ do this or else? there are definitely threats - do this or else? there are definitely threats but - do this or else? there are definitely threats but i - do this or else? there are - definitely threats but i expected that to happen. i expected that to happen and obviously, i am dealing with it, yeah. bud happen and obviously, i am dealing with it, yeah-— with it, yeah. and have extraordinary _ with it, yeah. and have extraordinary levels i with it, yeah. and have extraordinary levels of | with it, yeah. and have _ extraordinary levels of composure. how? what calms you down? when you just need to say, look, i'm having a fight and sometimes with keir starmer, may be certain with employers all the time, what enables you? it employers all the time, what enables ou? , ., ,., employers all the time, what enables ou? , ., ., , _ you? it might be a boring answer by muck it u- you? it might be a boring answer by muck it up my _ you? it might be a boring answer by muck it up my mum _ you? it might be a boring answer by muck it up my mum and _ you? it might be a boring answer by muck it up my mum and dad - you? it might be a boring answer by muck it up my mum and dad still i muck it up my mum and dad still alive because i live right away of the brady bunch just a stone's throw away from each other. and going to see them, which i can do. and

obviously, i was brought up an irish music and so, nice large cloud somewhere and quite a nice thing as well. , this somewhere and quite a nice thing as well._ this always - well. the singing? this always siniiin. well. the singing? this always singing- a _ well. the singing? this always singing. a single _ well. the singing? this always singing. a single preference i well. the singing? this always i singing. a single preference when well. the singing? this always - singing. a single preference when i first became general secretary and have big different since 11 so long—term friends and unfortunately for a bit anyways. that will be happening. what are you still seeing them show and close doors. what them show and close doors. what would ou them show and close doors. what would you sing — them show and close doors. what would you sing show— them show and close doors. what would you sing show a _ them show and close doors. what would you sing show a different irish songs, actually.— would you sing show a different irish songs, actually. mostly irish sonis. irish songs, actually. mostly irish songs- and _ irish songs, actually. mostly irish songs. and football? _ irish songs, actually. mostly irish songs. and football? yes. - irish songs, actually. mostly irish songs. and football? yes. still. irish songs, actually. mostly irish songs. and football? yes. still inj songs. and football? yes. still in newcastle fan? _ songs. and football? yes. still in newcastle fan? , _ songs. and football? yes. still in newcastle fan? , george's - songs. and football? yes. still in newcastle fan? , george's the i songs. and football? yes. still in - newcastle fan? , george's the anyone will notice that, _ newcastle fan? , george's the anyone will notice that, there's _ newcastle fan? , george's the anyone will notice that, there's no _ newcastle fan? , george's the anyone will notice that, there's no way - newcastle fan? , george's the anyone will notice that, there's no way you i will notice that, there's no way you couldn't. my sun who supports full and because my husband is, my dad keeps getting him newcastle. he

keeps getting him newcastle. he keeps doing that. you can't be the daughter of a georgia farmer and she everyone else, to be honest. at the moment, saying that up with my hands crossed for the whole thing around money and the premiership and who owns a note things are questions to be asked in society. the owns a note things are questions to be asked in society.— be asked in society. the way football is _ be asked in society. the way football is been _ be asked in society. the way football is been tracked - be asked in society. the way| football is been tracked away be asked in society. the way - football is been tracked away from its working class and community roots and this plaything, originally for rich people now for stakes, tells you a lot about it. i for rich people now for stakes, tells you a lot about it.- tells you a lot about it. i think it's an error _ tells you a lot about it. i think it's an error to _ tells you a lot about it. i think it's an error to pay _ tells you a lot about it. i think it's an error to pay for- tells you a lot about it. i think it's an error to pay for your i tells you a lot about it. i think l it's an error to pay for your child to go to football, who can afford to do that, it is so expensive that actually, football is working class game because people want to watch it and then follow people and then they become very passionate about it. if your pricing people of the game

which is really what's happening, and actually, they might choose another route in terms of that. so i think it's a real shame and smaller clubs orforwarding think it's a real shame and smaller clubs or forwarding which, think it's a real shame and smaller clubs orforwarding which, of think it's a real shame and smaller clubs or forwarding which, of course is a real shame and so, it's a very difficult area of football and i love newcastle i want them to win but obviously, there are problems the game. but obviously, there are problems the iame. “ . ., but obviously, there are problems theiame. “ . ., ., but obviously, there are problems the ame. “ . . ., . the game. and co-chair of leverage that deal with — the game. and co-chair of leverage that deal with the _ the game. and co-chair of leverage that deal with the old _ the game. and co-chair of leverage that deal with the old way - the game. and co-chair of leverage that deal with the old way of - that deal with the old way of persuading people not to, orjust pick a cloud at random, manchester united? if you want to stop them, they take it over the wrong regime. if only we had time to do it but the power of the collective and the people saying no to something is the one thing politicians really couldn't understand. not be the same for whoever is involved in running football. he there's always leverage to be done we have time to do it. i

will come to you from the more specific and panic advice. thank you forjoining us. —— there is something of what this winter, it is notjust that there are more strikes and notjust that there's more confidence, among trade union leaders, there is a belief too that the scene secure a better deal for their members and this is the thing that really matters and say to society more generally that their new choices that need to be confronted, new political choices that you need to make. if they are right, that will really be significant. forall right, that will really be significant. for all political thinking. thanks for watching.

hello there. we're going to find some more fog forming across parts of england and wales. it was northwest of you to come moment at this melodramatic air comes in stronger winds, a lot of clouds and rain coming in from the atlantic as well. some of the clusters edged west towards parts of england and wales but otherwise, clear skies, that's going to need some further fog, particularly across eastern parts of of england at this time. it's going to be dense and freezing. there will be a widespread frost england and wales and it could be done to —7, it will also be quite cold up in scotland. the rest of scotland and northern ireland should see temperatures above freezing. it won't be quite as windy because will lead to sunday, for the cloudy outbreaks of rain from time to time. more cloud for wales westernmost parts of england lifting temperatures midlands eastern england seeing some sunshine. it would be that fog in the morning. one or two patches may linger into the afternoon making it feel particularly cold but even

with the sunshine comes out, it would be about three or 4 degrees. it could make double figures in northern ireland and the far west of scotland.

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