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this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. israeli police say that at least seven people have been killed in a mass shooting at a synagogue in eastjerusalem. the us is bracing for the release of police video of an arrest that led to the death of the black man tyre nichols in memphis. his mother spoke ahead of the public release of that controversial video in an hour's time. i've never seen the video. but what i've heard is very horrific — very horrific. here in the uk, the chancellor jeremy hunt has set out his plan to boost economic growth, prioritising reducing inflation and stabilising the economy.
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two people have died in new zealand's largest city, auckland, after torrential rain caused severe flooding. a state of emergency has been declared. hello and welcome. seven people have been shot dead in a synagogue in eastjerusalem. a 14—year—old boy is among the dead, and a number of other people were wounded. police said the attacker was killed by the security forces as he fled the scene. tensions have been high since nine palestinians, both militants and civilians, were killed during an israeli military raid injenin in the occupied west bank on thursday. it was one of the deadliest raids in years. tensions are once again rising in the region. the us and uk have condemned the synagogue shooting. our middle east correspondent, tom bateman, reports from eastjerusalem.
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they came to pray as thejewish sabbath had just got under way. tonight, police are counting their bodies in the street. security forces say the gunman arrived at the synagogue and opened fire. some people were hit in the panic to get out, say witnesses, before the attacker managed to escape and drove off. and then, the security forces shot him. this is just three metres from where the shooting took place this is just a few metres from where the shooting took place close to the synagogue. forensics teams and police now — looking at this car, you can clearly see the bullet holes in the driver's side. witnesses told the bbc the driver then managed to get out and run before being shot dead. translation: i heard shots, there were flashes, _ and then i saw a car here open, body of the terrorist down. he yelled, "allahu akbar." there's no security in the streets. we need to go down and find these terrorists, ruin their houses, take them out of israel.
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at the scene, the head of thejerusalem police said the attack was one of the worst israel had seen in years. translation: the attacker i is a resident of east jerusalem. we are completing operations at the scene. right now, unfortunately, we are talking about seven people killed and another three seriously wounded. as the wounded are taken to hospital, police have closed off nearby areas, searching to see if anyone else is involved. a deadly attack on a jerusalem synagogue as the world marks international holocaust memorial day. it comes as tensions flare in the region. yesterday, nine palestinians were killed by israeli forces during a raid intojenin refugee camp, the new occupied west bank. the dead included militants and at least two civilians,
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israel said it had acted on intelligence of attack by islamic jihad, calling it at counterterror operation. in the aftermath, the group vowed to respond. several rockets were fired overnight from the gaza strip, shot down by israel, which then launched air strikes on a base operated by hamas. security forces and start to piece together who was behind tonight's deadly attack. thanh bateman, news, jerusalem. —— tom bateman. we can now speak to dan arbell, a scholar—in—residence at the center for israeli studies at the american university in washington, where he joins us from now. two of the deadliest attacks in years after that shooting in the occupied west bank, how concerned are you? occupied west bank, how concerned are ou? ~ , ,
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occupied west bank, how concerned are ou? , , ., , are you? well, this is really terrible news. _ are you? well, this is really terrible news. it's— are you? well, this is really terrible news. it's a - are you? well, this is really terrible news. it's a horrific| terrible news. it's a horrific attack tonight. against innocent worshipers at a synagogue on the eve of the sabbath. there was a sense is really security forces were on high alert following yesterday's killing of nine for —— palestinian members injenin on their way to carry out an attack in israel. we're witnessing a terrible cycle of violence, and what happens next is an open question. it depends on whether the parties will exercise restraint or whether we are on the verge of a vicious cycle of violence. it's not clear where this is heading, although leaders tonight have called for restrain. the coming days will test whether this will be
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the case or whether we're about to enter a very her redness cycle of violence. �* ., , ., ., ., violence. before you get to that oint, violence. before you get to that point. are _ violence. before you get to that point, are surprised _ violence. before you get to that point, are surprised by - violence. before you get to that point, are surprised by how- violence. before you get to that point, are surprised by how this played out —— horrendous cycle? with such tight security measures in place. i5 such tight security measures in lace. , , . , such tight security measures in lace. i, such tight security measures in place. is security forces were on hiuh place. is security forces were on high alert- _ place. is security forces were on high alert. the _ place. is security forces were on high alert. the anticipation - place. is security forces were on high alert. the anticipation of. place. is security forces were on l high alert. the anticipation of acts of violence, i don't know if they were preparing over there at that particular neighbourhood for such an attack. it's questionable how prepared they were or whether there were security forces around the area around that time, but it's a very quiet time on a friday night. most people are at home or going to synagogue, and all over the country.
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it's very hard to secure every single thing of all —— synagogue in the country. i single thing of all -- synagogue in the country-— the country. i 'ust want to sure of fear some — the country. ijust want to sure of fear some pictures _ the country. ijust want to sure of fear some pictures that _ the country. ijust want to sure of fear some pictures that have - the country. ijust want to sure ofl fear some pictures that have come the country. ijust want to sure of. fear some pictures that have come in and the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, visiting the site. he visited the site and met some of the officers there. the united nations secretary general has called for utmost restraint. what do you expect israel's hardline government to do now? 5 israel's hardline government to do now? �* ,, ., now? '5 government campaigned, before the elections, _ now? '5 government campaigned, before the elections, they - now? '5 government campaigned, i before the elections, they promised israel these tighter security and that such acts will not repeat it themselves. this is a test to prove whether this government can live by their promises or not. the security cabinet will convene tomorrow night and they're expected to adopt
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measures to deal with this. it's very hard because the loan will —— lone wolf attacker is coming out of eastjerusalem. it was in the west bank, it's a different story, but the fact he's from eastjerusalem makes it harder in terms of what the reaction would be. but i do expect arrests, i expect home demolitions, i expect tougher measures against the different areas where the lone wolf attacker came from. other than that, we may see wider operations in the vicinity of eastjerusalem, and the vicinity of eastjerusalem, and the areas of the west bank. we may see that in the coming days, and it will be testing the government and the security forces. we'll see where
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this goes, but at this point, it's unclear whether we're heading towards a cycle of violence or whether there will be a calming down after each side, so to speak, causes the other side casualties.— the other side casualties. daniel, thank ou the other side casualties. daniel, thank you so _ the other side casualties. daniel, thank you so much _ the other side casualties. daniel, thank you so much for— the other side casualties. daniel, thank you so much for taking - the other side casualties. daniel, thank you so much for taking us | thank you so much for taking us through all that. people in the us city of memphis are bracing themselves for the release in the next hour of a police video said to show five officers viciously beating a black motorist, tyre nichols. mr nichols died three days later, and the officers — who are all black — each face multiple charges including murder. his family say the video shows him being kicked like a football. president biden has spoken to his family by phone and appealed for calm in the city. from memphis, nada tawfik reports. the death of tyre nichols has prompted americans yet again to
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confront the reality of police brutality and its consequences. this 29—year—old loved skateboarding and was on his way home from a local park when a traffic stop by five black police officers turned into a deadly confrontation. he was tased and beaten for three minutes. this was his condition after in the hospital. bruised and swollen in a credible condition. he died three days later from his credible condition. he died three days laterfrom his injuries. now anotherfamily is asking days laterfrom his injuries. now another family is asking how this keeps happening, despite worldwide outrage and public demands for police reform following the killing of george floyd. i police reform following the killing of george floyd.— of george floyd. i want to say to the five police _ of george floyd. i want to say to the five police officers _ of george floyd. i want to say to the five police officers that - the five police officers that murdered my son, you also disgraced your own families. i want to say to the five police officers that murdered my son but, you know what, i'm going to pray for you and your families, because this shouldn't have happened.
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appointment the five former officers are now facing charges of second—degree murder and other crimes. they were fired last week after an investigation found they were all responsible for mr nicols' death. would you say there is a racist culture in policing? i would you say there is a racist culture in policing?— would you say there is a racist culture in policing? i think a lot of these is _ culture in policing? i think a lot of these is character. _ culture in policing? i think a lot of these is character. it - culture in policing? i think a lot of these is character. it doesn't matter— of these is character. it doesn't matter what colour these officers were _ matter what colour these officers were. when you see this video, i think_ were. when you see this video, i think you — were. when you see this video, i think you will be able to eliminate that race — think you will be able to eliminate that race had anything to do with it. footage of the incident was captured from several angles, including security cameras on utility poles and police—worn body cameras. soon the public will get a first—hand look at what happened here when videos of the incident are released.
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and the police chief now says they have no evidence mr nicols was driving recklessly — the alleged reason for this fatal traffic stop. and many other questions remain. why did the officers used excessive force? use excessive force? and why did so much time pass before he was given medical help? memphis and other cities across the united states are now bracing themselves for protests, and officials all the way up to the president, joe biden, urge the public to remain peaceful. nada tawfik, bbc news, memphis, tennessee. another very nervous moment for america. let's talk more about this with puneet cheema. she's the manager of the justice in public safety project at the legal defence fund, which is a part the us civil rights organisation, the naacp. you have not seen the video yet, but we've heard a lot about what's in it. it will be released on youtube in the next hour. you've looked into the
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use of deadly force in routine checks before. have you ever seen her mortar —— heard of anything else before —— anything like this before? unfortunately, this is the latest in a long stream of incidents in a long history of fatal violence against black people in the us, and it comes just weeks after another black man, keenan anderson, was killed in los angeles. also by police officers. this is part of it as of police violence. this is part of it as of police violence-— this is part of it as of police violence. , . ~ violence. -- epidemic. we fed reassurance — violence. -- epidemic. we fed reassurance that _ violence. -- epidemic. we fed reassurance that police - violence. -- epidemic. we fed reassurance that police are . violence. -- epidemic. we fed i reassurance that police are acting fast, but the details of it are already harrowing. this confrontation that we're going to see, and then seeing his him kicked like a football, it's going to be heartbreaking from the way it's been described. do you think people will be able to react calmly? weill.
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described. do you think people will be able to react calmly? well, there are a lot of — be able to react calmly? well, there are a lot of emotions. _ be able to react calmly? well, there are a lot of emotions. a _ be able to react calmly? well, there are a lot of emotions. a lot - be able to react calmly? well, there are a lot of emotions. a lot of- are a lot of emotions. a lot of black mothers are holding their sons tighter tonight, and a lot of people are bracing for the release for the video. unfortunately, a lot of people have seen too many of these videos already, particularly those who are black. some may choose to protect their mental health and not watch the video. the family asked for the video to be released. we will see. i for the video to be released. we will see. ., , ., ., for the video to be released. we will see. .,, ., ., ., i. will see. i was going to ask if you thou~ht it will see. i was going to ask if you thought it was — will see. i was going to ask if you thought it was right _ will see. i was going to ask if you thought it was right to _ will see. i was going to ask if you thought it was right to release i will see. i was going to ask if you thought it was right to release it, but it sounds like you're saying that was the family's wish so it should be done. there was someone in the report we said that race isn't an issue when you see this. we've been hearing from people all day that have been saying it is an
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issue, about the swiftness of justice for the police officers, and also the treatment of one on one black man in this horrific way. do you agree that racism issued in those circumstances?— those circumstances? yes, unfortunately. _ those circumstances? yes, unfortunately. we - those circumstances? yes, unfortunately. we really. those circumstances? yes, i unfortunately. we really have those circumstances? is: unfortunately. we really have deep and serious problems with policing in the us and the culture of policing is violent and racialized. officers behave differently in black communities and with black people, regardless of their own race. officers may go into policing with the best of intentions, but can become indoctrinated into the culture of an agency. if there are no systems of internal accountability, the culture of the agency leads to what we are going to see today. it's not easy to fix. what is your message to people in michigan this weekend? in memphis,
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there are fundamental _ michigan this weekend? in memphis, there are fundamental changes - michigan this weekend? in memphis, there are fundamental changes that l there are fundamental changes that we need to make in our systems and remove law enforcement from so many functions, including traffic enforcement, where unarmed responders who can treat people humanely and without violence need to respond. that's the majority of what law enforcement does. we need fundamental changes including removing law enforcement from traffic enforcement.— removing law enforcement from traffic enforcement. thanks very much. remembering one of humanity's greatest crimes — ceremonies have been held to mark holocaust memorial day. a shuttle, challenger, exploded soon after lift—off. there were seven astronauts on board, one of them a woman schoolteacher. all of them are believed to have been killed. by the evening, tahrir square, the heart of official cairo, was in the hands of the demonstrators. they were using the
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word "revolution". the earthquake singled out buildings and brought them down in seconds. tonight, the search for any survivors has an increasing desperation about it as the hours pass. the new government is finally in control of the entire - republic of uganda. survivors of the auschwitz concentration camp have been commemorating the 40th anniversary of their liberation. they toured the huts, gas chambers and crematoria and relived their horrifying experiences. welcome back. the uk chancellor has set out his long—term plan for boosting the economy. in a speech in london,
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jeremy hunt ruled out tax cuts — saying that the best tax cut for the public would be to halve inflation. he called for patience, discipline and optimism — and promised help to encourage more people back into work. our economics editor, faisal islam, has all the details. whether it's robots that can sort your waste, bots that can author human sounding script, essay, poems poems even, or programmable versions of yourself. every aspect of the common, even farming and medicine is being rbs formed thanks to the use of ai and the world's most powerful computing. at this ebbing technology business in london, to simulate anyone saying anything in any accent — even tv reporters. they think there's a massive opportunity for them. it will change how we work and there
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might be some jobs that are less i think there is the saying ai will not replace yourjob, a person using it will. after months of firefighting, the chancellor revealed his plan for growth arguing for optimism, rooted in technology. it is going to transform humanity it will be as big a change as the arrival of google search engines, and arguably, two of the three most important ai companies on the planet are british—based, so it is a massive opportunity for the uk. the idea is to use post—brexit freedoms to come up with friendly regulation for these industries. one top uk ceo says more is required. we need you policies to get this right. policies to get this right. does this look like a plan to you?
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i don't think we are i there yet for a plan, but one can be hopeful in the _ coming months we will see something concrete coming out. _ this was the government and the chancellor's vision of a high tech future for the uk economy, from green industry, to financial technology, and of course artificial intelligence, but every country there the world is trying to issues round the cost of living are never far away from the conversation. we talk about halving inflation, but when inflation was going up, you and your government blamed globalfactors, now that naturally it's going down because that's what it will do, you want to take the credit. we aren't trying to do that at all. we think it's going to be tough to bring down inflation because some of the increase inflation will fall out automatically, because of the fact that energy prices aren't going up any more, but there is a core level of inflation that is much higher can you deliver some tax cuts to help boost the economy? it's unlikely we will have the headroom for any significant tax cuts. what i would say is
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we're the sixth largest economy in the world, we're going through a difficult period~ — you will always be able to point to things that are going wrong or not going as well as people would like. the government keen to show it has ideas on how to grow the economy long—term, but short—term challenges still loom large. faisal islam, bbc news. in new zealand, two people have died as flooding has caused widespread damage and landslips and a week—long state of emergency has been declared in auckland. many international flights have been cancelled. meteorologists say approximately an entire summer's worth of rain fell in just a few hours, and the deluge will continue for the next few days. tvnz reporter logan church has been covering this catastrophic weather event in auckland and says the rain came hard and fast, and the full extent of the damage yet to be known with search and rescue efforts continuing. about five o'clock yesterday afternoon, that rain came torrential. within minutes, flooding streets, up to my neck. incredible
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pictures of residents having to swing through these flood to leave their homes or quite bravely, swim back through them to rescue residents who were unable to leave on their own accord. flights aren't going in and out of the moment. they're hoping to change that later on today. so it's really too early to tell just how many people may have lost their lives. and there's quite serious emergency overnight. they expected between 60 to 120 millimetres of rain. one person was found by a member of the public near a culvert while another was found in a flooded car park. police say they are also searching for another missing person. search and rescue and police haven't been able to get to everywhere yet, though there are still submerged cars and houses that were flooded that haven't been reached by emergency services. so it's really too early to tell
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just how many people may have lost their lives. and there's quite serious emergency overnight. survivors of the holocaust have been lighting candles for international holocaust memorial day to honour the 6 millionjewish people and members of minority groups murdered by the nazis during the second world war. today, the director of the auschwitz museum condemned russia's invasion of ukraine as being driven by the same "lust for power" as nazi germany. our religion editor, aleem maqbool, reports. witnesses to the horrors of the holocaust were among those who gathered today, to light candles in remembrance. the piccadilly lights reflected the moment through the faces of those touched by the devastating impact of genocide. often, of course, the atrocities were perpetrated by ordinary people. the ability to turn people against each other is unbelievable, and through mass hysteria
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and dehumanising people, and blaming people for all of the problems that were going on, the hyperinflation, it led to the camps. it was 78 years ago today at the auschwitz nazi death camp in southern poland soviet red army troops liberated the thousands in southern poland, soviet red army troops liberated the thousands of surviving prisoners. this anniversary became the day when the 6 millionjewish men, women and children murdered in the holocaust are commemorated. but it's also meant to be a moment to remember notjust the other groups killed by the nazis, but those murdered in genocides elsewhere, too. unusually, at auschwitz itself today, no russians were invited to the commemoration. far away, vladimir putin was using the day to repeat claims ethnic russians are being cleansed
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from ukraine by neo—nazis. but the director of the auschwitz museum likened russia's aggression in ukraine to the horrors of the holocaust. that was my number, given in auschwitz. lily ebert still bears her prisoner number, and she worries about the possibility that dark days could return. i hope, for the sake of humanity, that humanity can survive where nothing like that happens again, to anybody. aleem maqbool, bbc news. there's more details of the top story, more analysis in the shooting on the bbc website on bbc news out,
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but from me and the rest of the team, thanks so much for watching. hello. the weekend is getting off to a relatively tranquil, sedate start in most places. it won't stay that way for all of us. something livelier heading to the north of the uk by sunday, but for saturday, largely dry with some sunshine, some quite large areas of cloud around as well. in fact, we've got this stripe of cloud pushing its way southwards out of northern ireland and southern scotland, down across northern england into the north midlands and parts of wales through the afternoon. and with, that there mayjust be the odd spot of drizzle. to the south of that, some early fog giving way to limited sunny spells and quite large areas of cloud. best of the sunshine for northern ireland and for scotland, albeit with some showers in the west
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of scotland and temperatures of 7 or 8 degrees. now, during saturday night, we will see this area of cloud sinking further south across wales, central and southern parts of england, again with the odd spot of drizzle. further north, there'll be some patchy clouds, some clear spells, most places probably avoiding a frost. we mayjust see a touch of frost in one or two locations into sunday. into sunday, high pressure keeps things relatively calm in the south, but this frontal system is going to change things in the north of the uk. a lot of low clouds and messiness around southern parts to start sunday morning. then we'll see some spells of sunshine. but from northern england northwards through the afternoon, it is going to turn really very windy, particularly gusty conditions to the eastern side of the pennines, around the coasts of northern ireland and in some exposed parts of the north of scotland, we will see gusts of 65 mph or more with this band of rain pushing its way southwards. butjust ahead of that rain band, it's going to be very mild indeed, 12 degrees for a time there in aberdeen and a mild day generally for most of us. now, into monday, we will have a brisk north or north westerly
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winds blowing into these northeastern parts of the country, so feeling a little bit chilly here. but behind that, we see a ridge of high pressure building, some dry weather, some spells of sunshine, temperatures between 7—10 degrees. but let me show you what might happen with our weather as we move out of monday into tuesday, because this deep area of low pressure is expected to move close to the north of scotland. and depending on just how deep this low ends up being, well, we could see some very strong winds indeed. so, it could be that through the first half of next week, things turn livelier still in the north of the uk, staying calmer further south.
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this is bbc news. the headlines seven people are reported to have been killed at a synogogue injerusalem. israel's ambulance service says that ten more people have been wounded. lawyers for the family of tyre nichols, the young african american beaten to death in memphis, say the swift dismissal and charging of the police officers involved should be the blueprint for similar cases in the future. here in the uk, the chancellor jeremy hunt has set out his plan to boost economic growth — prioritising reducing inflation and stabilising the economy. two people have died in auckland, new zealand's largest city, after severe flooding. the city's mayor declared a state of emergency on friday, as rising floodwaters left streets
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and homes swamped. now on bbc news it's time for the media show. hello. with the conservative chairman, nadhim zahawi's tax affairs dominating the headlines, we'll be talking to two of the people behind the story. and later in the programme, netflix films have picked up a load of oscar nominations. closer to home, the streamer�*s just bought its first welsh language tv drama. llinos griffin—williams from sac is one of the people involved in the deal. congratulations, llinos. what is the show called, and what's it about? it's called dal y mellt. it's been produced by vox pictures, and it's got mark lewisjones in it, and newcomer, gwion morrisjones. and it's a heist. it's a cheeky heist based on the adaptation of the novel by iwan roberts, who also
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wrote the script. so it's a crime drama, but with a bit of a twist. sounds great. and we will hear much more about it later. but first, if you were watching prime minister's questions on wednesday, there was more pressure on nadhim zahawi, the former chancellor and current chairman of the conservative party, over his tax affairs. last friday, the guardian broke the story that mr zahawi had paid a penalty imposed by hmrc as part of an estimated £5 million tax bill, something the prime minister said on wednesday he didn't know at the time when he made nadhim zahawi tory chairman. this story has come out into the open thanks to the work ofjournalists and tax investigators, and two of them are with us today. anna isaac, the guardian's city editor, broke that story last week about the penalty mr zahawi is believed to have paid. and dan neidle is a former city tax lawyer who now has his own consultancy, tax policy associates. welcome to both of you. and dan, you're not a journalist, but you've been blogging and publishing stories about nadhim zahawi since last summer.
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just take us back to why you started following the story. i retired to set up a micro think tank, tax policy associates, and people were asking me to look at this politician, that politician they thought they'd avoided tax, and i did, and most of it was rubbish. there was something about sunak on channel four saying he'd avoided tax. rubbish. rees—mogg. rubbish. and then just really to be mischievous, jim pickard at the ft and i launched a freedom of information act request to see if any ministers had been the subject of hmrc inquiries. and to my surprise, shock even, they came back and said yes, between one and five had and jim and i said, "really? are you sure?" and they said, "yes, we're, we were sure." and then there was something of a panic inside whitehall, i believe, at this. and then we got a correction from hmrc saying, "oh no, sorry, sorry, that was a mistake." our bad." "actually, there are no ministers under inquiry."
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which made i mean, you hardly have to be bernstein and woodward for your antennae to twing at that. then there was that amazing story in the independent claiming that mr zahawi had been under investigation at one point by the nca, sf0 and hmrc, and apparently they found nothing. zahawi denied it, but i'm familiar with those investigations. normally the subject doesn't know they're being investigated. so, what i then did is kind of what my dayjob was when i was a tax lawyer. people think tax lawyers are their dreaming up tax avoidance schemes. not in the last 20 years, they're not. what they normally do is much less glamourous. you've got a client who's thinking of taking over a company. what are the tax skeletons in that companies closet? because if you buy it and it finds out they did bad tax stuff, that's going to cost you, the buyer, money. so, entirely selfish capitalism incentives drive companies acquiring other companies and the tax lawyer
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is working for them to try and uncover tax problems. so, for me to do that on zahawi's companies was not really any different from what i've been doing for many years as a tax lawyer. 0k. and this was last summer, and you mentioned the independent, and i should bring in anna isaac here who is at the guardian now, but just talk to me about when you got involved in the story, because obviously you were back you were in the independent at that point. yeah, that's right. in earlyjuly last year, i worked with simon walters, who's been a long standing lobby reporter who was working freelance for the independent at that stage, on the story about an hmrc investigation into zahawi. and that was that was july 9 last year, and that started to feed into sort of a buzz around his financial affairs. i should add that lots of people have asked and done various reports over the years, going back even a decade, to sort of ask a few questions about where mr zahawi's wealth comes from. he's been a very successful person,
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by all accounts, has a lot of money. so, people have naturally taken some public interest examinations of that money, but that was that was when simon and i wrote about the hmrc investigation for the first time. 0k. so, that was the first we heard about it. that piqued your interest dan neidle and you started looking at it. i mean, how much pick up at that time was there in the wider press about the story, dan? so, my initialfindings, let's call it a tax anomaly. it looked to me like a naive attempt at tax avoidance. someone, a very experienced former hmrc inspector, said it looked like man in the pub tax avoidance, where someone does something thinking, "oh, here's a clever way to avoid tax," but it doesn't work. and that's what i thought. and, of course, tax avoidance isn't illegal. tax avoidance is not necessarily illegal. no. that's correct. it looked to me like some had done something thinking tax would be avoided, but actually i was really confident it wouldn't have been avoided. so, when the valuable yougov shares ended up being sold,
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yielding perhaps as much as 27 million quid, maybe more, i wondered if mr zahawi paid tax on it, or if he assumed his old scheme worked, and didn't. so the outcome of what i wrote was really a question. did mr zahawi pay tax on this? and this was covered again byjim pickard in the ft. 0k. so it's interesting that we're now... fast forward to january, it's a long time after last summer, and it's taken this long for the sun earlier this month to break the story... ooh, there's a bit in the middle. well, i'm sure we'll get to that in a minute, but what i want to say is it's a long time because the sun broke this story that he'd paid millions in tax, then you followed it up, anna, with your story about how some of that potentially £i,oo0,000 was a penalty, but it's been rumbling on since july. so long to break through. i mean, presumably these are just very hard stories. tax stories are very hard to get over the line. i mean, it's not like you've got endless information and access to people's individual tax status. yeah, absolutely.
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it takes an awfully long time to get to the point where you can be confident enough to publish something in some cases, where you might have very little by way of additional information provided by the other party. you also have to make sure that you've got really sound public interest grounds for getting involved with private information, for instance. so you have to really do an assessment of like, am i sure this isn't a fishing expedition? am i sure there's a justification for examining some, you know, someone's private arrangements? and you have to go through all of those stages to make sure that you're being really sound in the way that you approach an investigation. and, there are also legal considerations. and, while i'm not talking about this story specifically for reporters in general, we are finding there is an increasing use of lawyers and the legal system to try and suppress public interest journalism. and that has to be sort of a huge consideration when we when we think about how long some of these stories take to come out, we really have
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to weigh up a lot when it comes to putting a story like this together. it's a tricky process. it's very intricate. and i know dan neidle will. we'll talk a bit about the experience you had with lawyers in this. i should make clear, of course, that the hmrc has made very clear they consider in terms of nadhim zahawi tax affairs, that it was a careless and not a deliberate error, which is what he's consistently maintained. but i wonder that same question to you, dan. you know, from july to now, it's a difficult story to get over the line. what was going on in the meantime? sorry i wrote that story. and my question was, mr. zahawi, did you pay tax on this? his response was to brief on background that the arrangements with the stapleton company, which had received the shares in yougov that i think would have been his. they werejustified because his father through this company provided the start up capital. and i looked at that in a lot of detail with forensic accountants
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helping me and decided that what he said was was not correct. and i said so. and then he moved to another new explanation that his, not mentioning start up capital, saying that his father had provided know how and assistance in starting you go and that was really valuable now two journalists at the times, billy kemper and george greenwood chased that down and couldn't find support. people who worked at yougov, they got an official denial out of you yougov. and then that made me say publicly that i didn't believe the first explanation i would be given the start up capital one for mr. zahawi. and it was that which prompted him to get lawyers to write to me, ordering me to retract that claim. and were you? i was just wondering how you were were you keeping this story alive on social media? were you goading i mean, what were you doing when it came to a back and forward with lawyers? and well, so initially i got... i was out playing with the kids and i got a twitter message
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from someone i didn't know, a partner at a law firm who i'd heard acting for zarqawi. and he said, can we speak? and i'm an experienced lawyer. i know how these things work. i said, anything you want to say to me, you please put in writing and i won't accept without prejudice. correspondence meaning. private confidential correspondence i can't repeat. then later that day i got an email from them which was headed without prejudice, the very thing i asked not to do. which ordered me to retract and said that i couldn't publish or even refer to this communication. if i did, there would be serious consequences. but i didn't mention this on social media at all. partly, you know, say you don't interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake. partly, i thought the email was so confused. i didn't really understand what their position was. and i wanted to i wanted to draw them out a bit more. i mean, i'mjust going to interrupt you for a second. just to say, i mean, anna, mostjournalists presumably don't necessarily have the confidence to deal with legal letters. you know, they are quite scary, i suppose. you know, if you're working
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in a company, there'll be a lawyer to advise you. but even so, you know, there are fears around it. but maybe it helped. that dan was a was a lawyer himself. he could read the read them read them in a way. no question. dan's made a really valuable contribution to illustrate some, you know, some of the kinds of letters that members of the media might receive. i would pay huge tribute to the media lawyers i had, both at the guardian and the independent, who have to sort of weigh things sometimes a bit differently, but have counseled it and have sort of allowed each stage of this reporting process to to go ahead. you know, the stories have been published, but i do think what dan's illustrating and there's a broader point here, not talking about again, not talking about the story in particular, there's a broader point here about how the legal system in general might be used against public interest journalism. there are a lot of cases at the moment. for instance, there's one involving
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the permission given by the treasury for the legal actions of someone linked to the wagner group against a journalist. eliot higgins. so there's this what we're talking about as a broader context forjournalism in the uk. and i think it's really important that we, we consider this is part of a bigger picture and that dan's contribution is part of this bigger picture. that's very important. because these letters are off putting. they are they have to be treated very seriously. yeah. and that line between using them as a signal. am i being fair? am i being proportionate? am i doing myjob properly? and that line between trying to suppressjournalism, that's what our media lawyers have to try and weigh for us and help us consider. and obviously, i should make clear that mr zahawi, lawyers have said that they sent just a polite, confidential letter through his solicitor, through them,
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through the solicitors to mr neidle to correct a few inaccuracies. you know, this is fairly common practice. legally, it'll. but you chose to make the responses public. why was that? it is indeed common practice for libel lawyers to send letters which ask people to retract and then claim that they're confidential letters and can't be published. it's common practice and it's a disgrace. and the solicitors regulation authority, i asked them, has now confirmed that solicitors may not do that. and it's interesting, isn't it? i just wonder whether you see yourself now as a journalist and if you do, you know where you think you stand in terms of being impartial. you know, lots of people could read your blog and think, you know, you get the sense that you set in a sense you said you set in a sense you set nadhim zahawi and your sites and you know, you were going to get to him that that was what you were up to. i really wasn't. and if he'd responded saying, for example. yes, i think there are i think you're making some mistakes in what you say, but i think you're identifying some issues that i need to look at more closely with my advice.
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i'm going to do that. i won't get back to the details because it's confidential, but i'll let you refer again. and thank you, dan. if he'd done something like that. then not only would i have walked away, but i would have walked like that. looked like an absolute idiot if i had pursued him aggressively. so it was his denials that made me certain in my mind and the way that he was behaving, that made me certain that he had something to hide. and of course he did, because it turned out at the same time he was sending me those letters. he was engaged in discussions with hmrc to settle the tax liability that he was denying to me that he had. and anna isaac from the guardian journalists revealing how a story has put together. so sort of showing the toing and froing behind the scenes is something of a trend these days. you know, clearly we've seen dan neidle, not a journalist, but putting a lot of this out there on social media, on platforms and working with journalists as well. you know, 20 years ago, this was the thing thatjournalists kept quiet about to some extent. and now it feels like we're we reveal our workings much more. i think it's important because it can show a consideration of fairness.
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it can show well, here's here are all the factors i considered when i was working for you, the reader, the viewer, to, to to arrive at these points. and i think some of the constraints are always a little bit more sometimes in some instances where you have to, for instance, in general terms, be very protective of your sourcing. so you have to be really considered about how you engage with with some of, for instance, a legal letter, butjust in general with how you show your workings. source protection has to be paramount. and you also have to consider, how are you engaging when when you when you publish correspondence? now, for instance, the independent made a decision are mostly not there any more. they made a decision to publish some of the emails that were received byjournalists. while i was there between journalists and mr zahawi. that's a bit different from the legal correspondents that dan's referring to, but that's something that listeners might find interesting to take a look at. but it has to be so carefully considered. i think showing your working is about showing the reader why they can trust in your processes. and is it quite unusual for a broadsheet to do that? i think it has been known, for instance, where there's been a court case and there's been a lot
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of reporting of media court cases, and that often allows material to go into the public domain. and court reporting is a really important part of what media has done for a very long time. i think the specific issue of legal correspondents, it's a case by case and you really have to consider all of the factors at play there when you can when you can make that decision. and i suppose dan has spent presumably, dan, you've actually spent quite a long time being a source, many years being a source before you became more front and centre and in these sorts of stories. is that right? and to you that question not a source per say, not a source per say, but for many years i would act as a sounding board forjournalists who ran into tax points. i must say, this stuff is complicated.
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this stuff is complicated. and finding experts is hard. and i was happy to help them naturally. never. when i had a client involved, my firm had a client involved or an interest involved. and dan spent an awful lot of time on this. you presumably have to, but but you've got a day job as well to do. and those sort of pressures in a newsroom around getting a daily story going and getting something over the line. it's harder to get these kind of stories over the line. you know, journalists are under pressure to deliver stories much more regularly than than a story about nadhim zahawi. but these are the ones we remember, of course. yeah. no, that line between, you know, the big investigations and the daily reporting that helps you think about what is worth investigating is really hard to draw. i mean, i started my work looking at the cabinets because this isn't the only tax story i've written about a member of the cabinet. i started really closely examining the tax affairs and the finances of cabinet members early last year. so it's been maybe a bit less on on social media, but i've certainly been plugging away at it for a very long time. and the guardian and both the independent and the guardian have been very generous with allowing me time to to take a look at these things.
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what if you get those kind of stories they'll keep letting you do it? that's the way that's the way it goes, which is great. and dan, do you see yourself as an activist now? i mean, how do you see your role going forward? i'm not an activist. most of what i do is writing about tax policy problems in current tax policy, how it could be improved. most of what i've written is about that. i've got a couple of stories which actually should have come out now but have to be delayed because otherwise they bash into and confuse everyone, which are nothing to do with day to day politics. one of them involves tax avoidance in a well known industry on a scale which makes harvey look like chicken feed. another involves, let's call it administrative and administrative practice, which has caused harm and perhaps suffering to hundreds of thousands of people. so these are the kind of things i really want to write about. i'm a tax nerd, i don't i don't have a desire to be some tax witchfinder general. both sound interesting
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and do please come back on the media show if you get any of those over the line because they sound fascinating as well. we like we like to delve into the processes behind getting these stories out there. so thank you both for coming on the programme. anna isaac and dan neidle. it's obviously brilliant. but now have a listen to this. you stay professionals. let your mind handle what's going on in goodbyes on tv. it's not that is the crime drama limited and last week netflix announced they'd bought it their first welsh language drama. the show is commissioned by the welsh public service broadcaster sa si. griffin williams, who you heard from at the top of the show, is the chief content officer at fs forsey who joins us from cardiff. and adrian bate is executive producer of dal enmeshed and co—founder of vox productions, also based in cardiff. welcome to you both.
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and adrian, congratulations to you as well. you know, we heard at the top it's a it's a crime heist. we had some of the people in it. butjust tell us a bit more about it and and also about the practicalities of making a drama in welsh. well, i think it's like any other programme, frankly. you know, we have a crew and we go and shoot it, i think. does all your crews have to speak welsh or. no, no, no, no. i mean that the key technicians of the do the directors and the producer and obviously the actors all are very much native welsh speakers, but we interface with english crew as well. so it doesn't have to be entirely in welsh. and in fact the the name of the show when it comes up on netflix is going to be a rough cut because. it's going to be an easier title to follow. and can you tell us anything more about the story? it's a crime heist. diamonds are involved, i think. and can you tell us anything more about the story? it's a crime heist. diamonds are involved, i think. am i right?
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diamond diamonds are involved. the welsh translation, i believe, is along the lines of catch the lightning. which is to do with the diamonds. and it's a story that takes a group of a group of reprobates from south wales right up to north wales. it's got some, it's got some fantastic countryside alongside all the, all the capers which takes us to soho, up to anglesey. so i don't want to say too much because there's, there are lots of spoilers that i could, i could give and i would rather not rather not do that. fair enough. anglesey one of my favourite places in the uk, so i'll look forward to that. why do you think they why do you think netflix chose it? because it's unique. i think, you know, in when you've got so much choice and people are looking for something with a bit of a different usp, i think it's full of beautiful cinematography, a killer soundtrack. it's based all over sort of glorious wales. it's also got that welsh sense of humour and cheekiness about it, but it's a really fast paced heist drama that will suck you in and keep you there for the whole box that you can binge on. and for us, i think we're, you know, we're hugely proud of it.
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our head of scripted, has worked really closely with vox pictures and the whole talent there for for such a long time to get this to air. we're thrilled that netflix have have recognised how beautiful a piece of work it is and how unique it is. and i think also it's because it's a really great series. how big a dealfor your channel is it that netflix have given you this accolade and a load of cash, presumably? look, i think this is nothing new in terms of us selling 54c content globally. we've done that for years and our channel strategy is to take wales and welsh talent to the world where we want people to hear it, see it, speak it, see the value in welsh language, but also recognise the talent in companies like vox and the producers rights as actors here in wales. you know, it's great that they're seeing, they're picking it up and i think to have netflix as a brand pick it up sort of gives that, that stamp of this is something worth a watch. but i think, you know,
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we it's been out on our channel back in october and the boxset is available on on click and it's i think sac click and bbc iplayer now. and i think, look, we want to make our content really accessible. whether you speak welsh or not, you can watch it with subtitles. if you're a new speaker, you can sort of follow it. but also it's for our welsh speaking audience as well. and adrian, i mean, you made this drama just in welsh, but i've had a look at your production company and you often make shows in english and welsh at the same time, which i think is called back to back production. how did how does that work? it's when i started, i could work out how to do it at all. but actually, it's actually relatively simple. i mean, the actors do have to be bilingual. we made a show called keeping faith, which we shot back to back. interestingly, eve myles, who was the lead in that, actually wasn't a welsh speaker at the time. she learnt welsh brilliantly and managed to do in two languages
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and now was picked up by bbc one and did really well. do they do you shoot it? do you do the sort of same scene twice, if you see what i mean each time. pretty much, yeah. it's pretty much. well then do the, the exact replica shot in the other language. so we might go from english to welsh and then we'll stay with the welsh for the next shot and then we go to english for the next shot. and then we come back to the third sequence, if you like, and we start all over again. so we literally leap frog languages. have you done a lot of this back to back type productions in your previous jobs? yeah, we've done back to backs, which we've sort of co—produced before. i was at 54 c sort of when i was making shows with with the states as well as well with european broadcasters and networks like bbc channel five and channel four. you know, keeping faith with was one that we've done here at 54c before is a back to back production hinterland was another one with the bbc.
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so we've got a sort of a track record of doing back to backs a light in the hall that's currently on channel four has already gone out as a goal i on 54c earlier on in the spring. so we find we want to be a really collaborative, not competitive network. we want to be able to come first to back talent and that talent can be taken across the uk and across the world. and we also want to be, you know, making sure that we're adding value to the viewers back at home because we can, you know, we can add that cash injection with back to back or we can sort of take our content to a broader audience through acquisitions. and i think you brought gogglebox to wales. well brought the welsh version anyway to wales the first time you bought a british format. why and how has it gone down? look, i think 54c is is transforming. it wants to be a channel for tomorrow and that's relevant populist and that serves our audience here and that and that brings people to the welsh language as a psb gogglebox for us
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was a way of really reflecting a modern wales and the audience in all over wales and the way that welsh has spoken all over wales. you know, we've got a really good relationship with channel four and so they did have exclusivity on it in the uk and were more than happy to open it up to us as partners. now, adrian, just very briefly before we end, do you feel that there is this growing market forforeign language generally on the streaming platforms? and presumably you spotted that this is changing the industry very briefly. the last decade we've seen the scandi noir revolution, we see the french revolution, which shows like spiral and lupin. and i think the one thing to realise is that is that these are shows which are in fact bought off the shelf, so they can actually choose the very best. so what they're doing is they're choosing the very, very best stories and they happen to have subtitles. and with technological reasons, that's really easy to access, i'm afraid. that's it for today. thanks to all my guests.
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griffin williams from sac, adrian bate, co—founder of vox productions. also anna isaac, the guardian city editor, and dan neidle from tax policy associates. the media show will be back next week. thanks for watching. goodbye. hello. the second half of this weekend will bring some quite lively weather to the northern half of the country. but we start the weekend across the board with some relatively tranquil conditions — largely dry, some spells of sunshine, quite large areas of cloud around. bit of fog first thing across parts of southern england. this band of cloud bringing some spots of rain and drizzle through northern england down into wales and the midlands through the day. to the north of that, sunny spells, just the odd shower into the northwest of scotland. temperatures between 6—8 degrees for most of us. now, as we look ahead to sunday, it's a relatively quiet start for most — but from northern england northwards, it is going to turn really quite windy as we get into the afternoon.
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very gusty conditions just to the eastern side of the pennines, but also some very strong winds around. coasts of northern ireland and more generally across scotland, some exposed spots in the north of scotland seeing gusts of 65 mph or more. a band of rain pushing its way southwards and eastwards, but ahead of that, feeling pretty mild with top temperatures of 12 degrees.
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